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[atmospheric music playing]
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-Could I have a beer?
-[man 1] Of course.
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-Thank you.
-[man 1] I'll get you one.
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-[bottle opening]
-[lid clattering]
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-[siren wailing in distance]
-[liquid pouring]
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[man 1] Why did you agree to meet me?
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[laughing]
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It's an interesting story, and, um…
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I've got a different perspective.
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[brooding music rising]
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[chanting]
Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!
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[man 2] I spent 10 years undercover
in the far right.
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It was so much worse than I thought
it was going to be. Really.
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It was hardcore.
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The first years, especially,
it was like full-on Nazi,
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and people were, like,
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competing to be as radical as possible.
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And there was talk
about starting a race war.
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Yeah, the race war.
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We would come to a time
where we needed to, like, kill people.
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[crowd yelling]
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[man 2] And we'd have hit lists.
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And then, like, you'd have, like,
the bomb makers themselves.
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[crowd shouting]
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[man 2] In the 1990s,
there was trouble in the streets.
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A lot of tension.
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All someone had to do was light a match.
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But we didn't think anyone
was really gonna do it.
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But then one person did.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[projector clicking]
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[stopwatch ticking]
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[siren wailing]
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[man 3, on recording] This interviewis being tape-recorded.
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I am Detective Sergeant Terrence Boland,
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attached to the Anti-Terrorist branchat New Scotland Yard.
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The other officer present is…
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[Johnstone]
Detective Constable Philip Johnstone
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from the Anti-Terrorist branchof New Scotland Yard.
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[Boland] Today is the 1st of May, 1999,
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and the time is now 18:13according to my watch.
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[machine clicks, whirs]
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[Boland] You know,the whole idea of us sitting here
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is to get to the truth.
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[suspect]
I'd just be the spark, that's all.
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The spark that would set fireto this country.
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The thoughts,they were getting stronger and stronger.
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I just couldn't get it out of my head.
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My destiny, you know?
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Eventually, I woke up one morning,and I weren't thinking about it anymore.
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I was gonna do it.
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[Johnstone]
When were you intending to blow it up?
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[suspect] Saturday.
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Half past five.
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["Red Alert" by Basement Jaxx playing]
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♪ Red alert, red alertIt's a catastrophe ♪
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♪ But don't worry ♪
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♪ Don't panic ♪
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♪ Ain't nothing going on but history… ♪
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That beautiful morning
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everybody was everywhere,
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the sunshine, Brixton was bubbly,
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and people were doing
their own things.
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[fruit vendor] Peaches, plum, nectarines!
There are strawberries! Come on!
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We got Harrod's fruit
at Woolworth's prices!
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Brixton is amazing place to be.
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It's a historical place to be, you know?
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This is where all the Black people
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came to first in London.
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♪ Don't panic ♪
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People work together,
people live together.
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We knew people from all over the world.
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People selling everything and everywhere,
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getting their penny from where they can.
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[CD vendor] Yeah, that's £2, darling.
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[man 4] We got all the C--every CD in the charts.
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[man 5] Snoop Dogg…
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[man 4] Michael Jackson, Madonna.
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I actually had an adult film
made by Snoop Dogg.
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Yeah.
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-Pirate it-- But I never watched it.
-We never sold that.
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-We did.
-Didn't think so. All right then.
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[man 4] Sorta Robin Hoods.
In their eyes, we were Robin Hoods,
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but not in Our Price's eyes anyway.
Our Price used to be over the road,
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and we used to say things like,
"This is my price, not Our Price."
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We had a lot of rhymes.
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"Didn't fall off a lorry,
had to jump and get it myself."
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"I don't care if you're in the game
or out the fucking game,
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half the shopping store prices."
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-Really liked that. High-five.
-[laughs]
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-Don't leave it hanging.
-[both laughing]
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[clock beeps]
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[woman 1] Coconut!
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Coconut, coconut, very fresh here.
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We were all there, a happy, lovely day.
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All of a sudden, my neighbor said to me,
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"Wow, Talent, there is a bag here,
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and I can hear the noise."
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I said, "What sound are you hearing?"
He said, "Come and see."
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So, I came out of my stall,
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and it was going… [rhythmically]
"Tinkum, tinkum, tinkum, tinkum, tink--"
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That was just the sound in that black bag.
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[stopwatch ticking]
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[man 4] It could've been gold bullion.
It could've been loads of drugs.
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It could've been loads of money.
It weren't our bag.
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I opened it up, I had my face in it
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and then we're like, "It's a bomb."
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[stopwatch ticking]
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Then it's like, "Is it a bomb?"
I'm not a bomb expert,
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but I knew it was a bomb when I see it.
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And I'd never seen a bomb before.
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It was like a cartoon bomb, you know?
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-Yeah.
-With a clock, ding-a-ling, and all that.
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-So, you kinda just know.
-The alarm clocks with the old bells.
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With the bells on.
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-The round face clock in a Tupperware box.
-It was like that.
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[man 5] And outside-- Coming out the box
was wires, and they were going…
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-[man 4] Into a brown block-- box.
-[man 5] …into a box full of nails.
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I said, "Call the police, call the police"
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because we don't know what was happening
or who kept the bag there,
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because there was nobody there.
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So, I walked back into my stall
by the time--
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to attend to my customers.
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I remember walking off,
going, "I ain't having none of this,"
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and then coming back.
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I remember the guy,
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like, people was going,
"Oh, don't be so stupid."
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"Put it in the bin, wheel it down there,
never happened."
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It was mad--
It was like no one knew what to do.
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[clock beeps]
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No one would believe this story.
I've told this story many times.
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A crackhead took the bomb out of the bag
and nicked the bag.
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"Nah, you're joking me."
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"No way did it happen."
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"Yes, I swear down. It happened, man."
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-Even now there's crackheads--
-The crackhead come from this angle.
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[whistles] He come kind of from, like--
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from around the stall, picked it up.
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At this time, we're going, "Leave
the fucking bag, you nutter. It's a bomb."
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Where he's touching the bomb,
everyone's going, "What are you doing?"
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Everyone can see the bomb now,
he took it out.
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It's there, it's blatantly there,
and he just gradually--
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He just went like that… [clicks tongue]
…took the bag, and walked off up the road.
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He wanted the bag.
He just took the bag. I mean--
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The security guard phoned the police,
the police come over--
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As the police walked over I went,
"That's a bomb."
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-[explosion]
-[high-pitched ringing]
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[people screaming distantly]
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[sirens wailing]
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[officer, on megaphone]
Everyone move back, please! Thank you.
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[crowd clamoring]
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[clamoring continues]
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I don't remember landing
or getting thrown off my feet.
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-All I remember is getting off the floor.
-[man 4] Exactly.
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Just getting off the floor.
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-I could hear you shout at me.
-Yeah.
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-He was screaming out my name.
-That was after.
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[man 5] I found him on a stretcher
underneath, um, a bus stop.
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"I'm over here, Lee."
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[people clamoring]
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I had to dodge…
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under my trolley.
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I didn't think anybody survived,
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because it was like the whole building
collapsed on everybody.
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[explosion]
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[uneasy music playing]
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I got a little nail in the leg.
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I can't believe he didn't get hit.
He was in front. That's mad.
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There's people with, like, limbs missing,
with nails in their head, I thought,
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"Why do I need to waste a stretcher
going to hospital with a nail?"
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-[man 5] They cut his jeans up.
-[Lee] It hit me in the leg.
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So, me mum just bought me these
for me birthday.
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"Don't cut my jeans! My mum got me these
for my birthday." I'll never forget that.
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[Talent] There were glasses
all over the place.
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Because I wasn't hurt,
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I was grateful for that.
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Most people around there,
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there were lots of casualties.
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Everybody were running all over the place
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trying to find out
if their loved ones are safe.
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It was a horror in the day.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[tape recorder clicks]
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[Johnstone] Did you thinkof the consequences?
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[suspect] No.
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On the train, I just kept imagining it exploding.
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I had to do it.
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I was like a robot.
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[Johnstone] Did you think of the…
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the people?
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[suspect] No.
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Not at all.
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[tense music playing]
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[man 6] Thirty-nine people were injured,
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including a child with a four-inch nail
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embedded in their skull.
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[sirens wailing]
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The combination of burns
and blast injuries
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with severe shrapnel injuries
is a very difficult thing to deal with.
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This bomb was designed
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to kill as many people as possible,
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and it is miraculous
that nobody lost their life on that day.
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The whole design of a nail bomb
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is-- is to do the maximum amount of harm
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to the maximum number of people,
to kill as many people as possible.
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Putting fragments of metal inside a bomb
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and-- and then exploding,
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it's going to carry this metal
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300 miles an hour.
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Nails are accompanied by anything else
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that the blast wave picks up on the way.
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And as it moves through different people,
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it can carry bits of one person
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into another.
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So, you end up with very complex wounds
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where bits of somebody's leg
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can end up… end up in their chest,
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or they can end up in the chest
of the next person.
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We had never seen anything
quite like this before.
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You join me in the heart of Brixton
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where the mood is one of rising anger
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against whoever was responsible
for the nail bomb.
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[man 7] Brixton is a very tense area.
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We just want to sort out
what happened Saturday,
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and we take it from there.
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With me now is Mike Franklin.
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He's from the community police
consultative group.
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Mike, I've seen today how high tensions
are running here.
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Yes, uh, people are angry.
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This was a-- a-- a cowardly,
callous attack on innocent people
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going about their lawful
daily business in Brixton on Saturday.
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Limbs amputated,
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shredding injuries
from-- from-- from nails.
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People that-- deafened, blinded.
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It wasn't a bomb,
a bit of a loud noise down the road.
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This was--
This-this ruined people's lives.
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Police were very, very careful
not to jump to conclusions.
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You know, they wanted to say,
"We're keeping an open mind
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about what the motivation of this is."
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[tense music playing]
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I thought it was a racist attack.
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Instinctively.
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You live--
live down here and that happens,
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and you normally have an idea.
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And you had police officers
saying things to you like, you know,
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"We wanna catch the bomber
as much as you do."
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And you'd say to them, "No, no, you don't,
because, like, where do you live?"
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"You're not living in an area
that's a target for this."
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And the fact that the bomber
didn't kill anybody the first time around,
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there's a possibility he might come back.
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[man 8] You know,
London had had bombings before.
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The IRA campaigns, you know,
weren't that distant a memory.
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[reporter 1] This morning,evidence taken from the wrecked building
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is being minutely examinedby the bomb squad.
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One theory is that the attack
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was a calculated act of defiance by the IRA
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after the discovery in Southampton…
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But what we hadn't had experience of
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was a bomb of that type
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in the middle of a pedestrianized
shopping high street.
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[phone ringing]
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Annette, hi. Simon Foy here.
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I was the young,
fresh-faced, inexperienced,
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quite aspiring,
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probably slightly naive
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potential commander to Brixton Division.
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It was the most challenging place
to… to work.
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[uneasy music playing]
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It was quite a tense atmosphere.
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There was lots and lots of speculation
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about what was going on
and who was responsible for it.
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A whole load of reasons
went through my mind.
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We knew there was some gang violence
brewing up,
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and there had been some shootings
fairly recently.
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Was it that?
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And people were sort of saying,
"Come on, then…"
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You know,
"What are you gonna do about it?"
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[man 9] Don't you think, sir, it is time
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to come clean and say
you have not got enough police officers
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to do the job that is necessary
within this community?
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[Franklin] People felt under-protected
and over-policed.
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We'd all been through
the Brixton riots of '81.
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Deaths in custody,
we'd been through all that stuff,
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so a lot of us in the community
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weren't that happy or comfortable
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working with the police,
'cause we didn't trust them.
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[man 10] The police are harassing members
of our community through stop and search.
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The police announced
that they're going to swamp our area
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because of the bombing.
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[Franklin] Police stop and search was
a real issue when I was young growing up.
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Going into Brixton
on a Saturday afternoon with friends,
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to record shops, things like that.
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One of the things
that would happen most Saturdays
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is you'd be stopped and searched
by the police.
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[reporter 2] The senior policeman
who runs this area was telling me
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that the advice he'd give you lot
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is to think seriously
about joining the police force.
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-He hasn't got enough--
-[youths laughing]
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[Franklin] Friends got taken
to the police station,
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come out with bruises,
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and they'd tell you they got punched
in the face by a police officer.
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That was-- That was fairly normal.
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[crowd shouting]
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Those were the things
that sowed the seeds of antipathy
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between the community and the police.
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Now to the day's other news.
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Detectives investigating
yesterday's bomb explosion
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in Brixton in South London
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say they're keeping an open mind
about who planted the device.
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The attack has not been linked
to a known terrorist group.
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Were you here last Saturday?
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[man 11] We've had lots of people
that have come forward,
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uh, but no one has been able to tell us
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anything particular, uh, about the bomber
at this moment in time.
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[man 12] No one really had a clue
of anything.
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Was it a group of people?
Was it one person?
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It created real fear.
319
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The police were not really monitoring
the far right at that time.
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They say they were and people
were getting picked up every now and then,
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but there was a mindset at the top
of the security services
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saying that the far right
weren't a threat.
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They just wrote about these things,
they weren't going to carry it out.
324
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You know, just a bunch of hooligans.
Why are we having to look at these people?
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Searchlight was
a private intelligence operation.
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We infiltrated and monitored
fascist groups.
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[crowd chanting] Rights for whites!
Rights for whites!
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[man 12]
We'd been warning about it for years.
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Terrorist movement
defending the last stand,
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taking on the system.
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Kind of an underground guerrilla army.
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And it was all about terrorism.
All about killing people.
333
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[crowd chanting] Sieg Hiel! Sieg Hiel!
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Sieg Hiel! Sieg Hiel! Sieg Hiel!
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[man 12] These were dangerous times,
and we wanted to stop these people.
336
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The more we can find out
what they're up to, the more we can…
337
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stop what they're doing,
338
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draw attention to what they're doing.
339
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,839
And then, we were contacted by someone
340
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volunteering to get involved.
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Hello, Searchlight.
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Said he was a young lad in his early 20s,
who was political,
343
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very, very anti-racist.
344
00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:20,759
Obviously, from my perspective,
the best thing he could do
345
00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:22,559
was to go inside the far right.
346
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,279
And that's what he did.
347
00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:28,079
[siren wailing in distance]
348
00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:40,759
[man 1] Is it important
to still keep your identity a secret?
349
00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:41,680
[man 2] Yeah.
350
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,079
'Cause, like, these guys
really are dangerous.
351
00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:49,440
[man 1] And they still believe
that you're a Nazi?
352
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,039
[man 2] Yeah.
353
00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:54,880
[man 1] Why did you do it?
354
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,640
[man 2] I like being a spy. It's, um…
355
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,079
[exhaling]
356
00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:05,039
It's a buzz.
357
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,640
[man 1] Can you start at the beginning,
Arthur?
358
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,640
[Arthur] In 1999,
I was undercover in the BNP.
359
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,000
[Tyndall] For the new century,
we need a new ideal,
360
00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:20,160
a new kind of politics.
361
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,200
[Arthur] The British National Party
was the law and order party.
362
00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:25,079
[Tyndall] We must stop immigration,
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00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,880
and we must help the immigrants
return home.
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[Arthur] We projected ourselves
as being decent,
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00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,799
honorable, law-abiding citizens.
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We were the good guys.
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To build a movement,
which in the coming century
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00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,359
will put the "great" back into Britain.
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[Arthur] But behind that,
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you'd be going to, like, a BNP meeting
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at a church hall or, like,
a back room of a pub.
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Fuck off.
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[Arthur] And people were, like,
distributing hit lists,
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overtly Nazi propaganda,
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00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:04,920
bomb manuals.
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00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:09,480
It was their dream that someone
would go out and blow up
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00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,240
someone they've suggested to target.
378
00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:14,240
So, it was pretty extreme.
379
00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:20,160
My assumption was
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that they'd keep the Nazi thing
381
00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:25,119
out of the way for new recruits,
382
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,400
but straight away they were saying
killing Jews was a good thing.
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-[man 1] First day?
-[Arthur] First day, yeah.
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[man 1] What did you think?
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[Arthur] The thing was, I was shocked.
I was scared, but I was also excited.
386
00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,480
And also, like, the fact
that they were so overtly Nazi,
387
00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,680
that's more reason to carry on, isn't it?
388
00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,240
[man 1] Did you feel people
were checking you out?
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00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:50,799
Were they sussing you out?
390
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,319
[Arthur] Not really, no.
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00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,519
I guess they were thinking that
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why wouldn't any white man
want to join their organization?
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-[crowd shouting]
-[car alarm blaring]
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00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:06,839
[Arthur] Obviously, the anti-fascists
had no idea I was on their side.
395
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,440
So, there were a few times I got whacked.
396
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,119
The worst time was actually--
It was, like, a girl,
397
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,200
and, um, like, she was smashing me
over the head with, I think, a hammer.
398
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,680
This was my reality.
399
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,680
[unsettling music playing]
400
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:33,799
[suspenseful music playing]
401
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,519
[tape recorder clicks]
402
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,039
[Boland] What do you believe in, son?
403
00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:53,359
[suspect] We've got so manypoor white people in this country.
404
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,799
You get all this bullshit,
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00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200
everything has to be equal,everything this…
406
00:22:57,799 --> 00:22:59,000
It just puts white--
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00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,200
It demeans the white manin this country now.
408
00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:03,319
People like me.
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00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,480
[Boland] So, you wantedto put some bombs down?
410
00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,279
[suspect] Yeah, yeah. As many as I could.
411
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,799
One a week.
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00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,039
[Johnstone] Why did you put nails in them?
413
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:25,640
[suspect] It means they'd smash windows,stick into people, and maim people.
414
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,720
And kill people.
415
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:31,839
[somber music playing]
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00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:44,599
[stopwatch ticking]
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00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:00,640
[brooding music playing]
418
00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:04,440
[clock beeps]
419
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,400
[recorder playing scale]
420
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:25,759
[explosion]
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00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:27,559
[car alarm blaring]
422
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,720
-[crowd screaming]
-[car alarm blaring]
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[sirens wailing]
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00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,759
[reporter 3] The second weekend
in the capital,
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it appears that ethnic communities
have once again been targeted
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00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:14,440
in an attack without any warning.
427
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:16,359
[reporter 4] Brick Lane
is sealed off tonight,
428
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,839
and as well as a sense of shock,
429
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,599
there's also a sense of relief
that nobody was actually killed.
430
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,519
This strikes at the heart
of the-- the Bengali community.
431
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:26,599
We have a problem,
which is tantamount to racial terrorism.
432
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,720
[camera shutters clicking]
433
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:32,680
These things are… are outrageous,
that we will not tolerate,
434
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:36,480
and we'll make every effort
to find out who-- those responsible.
435
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,359
They'll be prosecuted
and brought to justice.
436
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,480
No doubt about that.
437
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:43,720
With me is Siddy Shivdasani,
who's the editor of Eastern Eye newspaper.
438
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,559
We've received, uh, death threats
even today at our offices.
439
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,319
We actually warned our readers last week.
440
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,039
if you live in a Black or Asian area
to be aware.
441
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,960
Whilst politicians and the police
442
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,319
were dithering about
whether it was a racial crime,
443
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,079
in the meantime,
they were planning their next attack.
444
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,960
[Shivdasani] I was just trying
to get my message out there
445
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,119
of my personal frustration
with the police.
446
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:09,799
You know, try and do the right thing.
447
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:13,240
That's what I was trying to do then,
to do the right thing.
448
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,680
I was editor of a British Asian paper
at the time.
449
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,880
We faced a fair bit of racism.
450
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240
[scoffs] Oh, you just got
used to it after a while,
451
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:30,319
and it was just a bit mindless, really.
452
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,759
But then we got this letter.
453
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,000
It was from some group called
the White Wolves.
454
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,039
I knew that an Asian area
was gonna be targeted next. I felt it.
455
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:51,359
But the police gave us no advice
to look for anything suspicious
456
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,559
or to be vigilant. Nothing.
457
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:56,640
We felt like they didn't give a fuck.
458
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,599
[news jingle playing]
459
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,839
The homemade bomb
that exploded in South London on Saturday
460
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,039
seemed to have been an act of lunacy.
461
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,920
Tonight, you can help, and this is how.
462
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,720
This is the quantity of nails
packed around the explosives.
463
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:13,079
Who bought this lot?
464
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,319
It wasn't a regular customer,
wasn't a regular builder.
465
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,799
Who came in
for this sort of quantity of nails?
466
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,119
Alan Fry is head
of the Anti-Terrorist branch.
467
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,319
Alan, has it taken you any further,
what you've got so far? Do you know?
468
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,599
I'm-- I'm sure it has,
469
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,759
although it's-- it's too soon,
uh, to be able to, uh, be particular
470
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,799
in regard to a--
a particular line of inquiry.
471
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,480
Well, if there's any way that you think
you can help, please, please do.
472
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,000
There's a £10,000 reward. That may go up.
473
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,599
[woman 2] There weren't many
serial killers in this country,
474
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,720
let alone there'd never been
a serial bomber.
475
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,799
You know, people were afraid.
476
00:27:58,759 --> 00:27:59,920
People were afraid.
477
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,079
[tense music playing]
478
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,720
I was the senior investigating officer.
479
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,799
The responsibility was huge.
480
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,359
I had no experience
in-- in terrorism investigation.
481
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,480
It brought the pressure to a different--
a completely different level.
482
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,640
[reporter 5] Police are viewing
hours of tape
483
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,519
from closed-circuit TV cameras
484
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,880
in the hope that the person
who planted the device
485
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,359
will have been caught on film
and someone may recognize them.
486
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,319
The quality of the CCTV in 1999
487
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400
wasn't great.
488
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,319
However, we started to find images
489
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,400
that-- that might be the bomber.
490
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160
There was someone
wearing a white baseball cap
491
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,559
who was carrying over their shoulder
492
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,880
what appeared to be a sports bag.
493
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,839
The only difficulty was
494
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,799
he wasn't recognizable.
495
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,519
We went to all sorts
of different agencies.
496
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,160
We even went to the Americans
and-- and the military.
497
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,400
I mean, we sent it out there hoping,
498
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,240
uh, that-- that someone could enhance it.
499
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:12,240
Um, they couldn't.
500
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:14,680
We had to just keep looking.
501
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,759
I started working with the police.
502
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:22,519
I mean, I did joint press conferences.
503
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,480
So, when they produced this picture
of an individual
504
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:27,440
who may be the bomber,
505
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,920
there was arguments with me
about whether it should be published.
506
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,880
Because it's grainy.
507
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Um, it's an inconclusive picture.
508
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,839
My view was, "No. If that was a member
of somebody's family, they'd know it."
509
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,279
"Put it out now. Put it out today."
510
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,279
"We can't do that."
511
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:46,319
[clears throat]
512
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,079
I said, "Well, while you're prevaricating,
513
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,480
the bomber is preparing the next bomb."
514
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,160
"It's urgent. Put it out now."
515
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,079
"Don't waste time."
516
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:57,680
"What are you gonna say to me
517
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,440
if a bomb goes off while we're here
having this conversation?"
518
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,240
"And I'm telling people
that you could've stopped it."
519
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,319
"Put the fucking picture out."
520
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:07,559
But nobody did.
521
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,799
[man 12] Police were coming to us,
"Had we heard anything?
522
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,279
What was our view?"
523
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:24,079
We were asking people the same questions.
524
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:28,160
Who's going to be targeted next?
Are people gonna get killed?
525
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,960
By that stage, people were taking credit
for it around the country. White Wolves.
526
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,559
There were letters were being circulated
out of the East Midlands.
527
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,759
We went into overdrive.
I remember at the time, it was like
528
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,119
24/7 trying to figure out who could it be.
529
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,599
Drawing up lists, who-who… who could
have been doing this sort of thing?
530
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,400
No-- no one had heard anything.
531
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480
[somber music playing]
532
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920
[man 1] What were you doing
to try and find the bomber?
533
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,480
I was just finding people.
534
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,079
Pretending, first of all,
that I was happy,
535
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,680
and I was saying, like,
"Any idea who it is?"
536
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:07,759
That sort of thing.
537
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:09,880
But no one had a clue.
538
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,480
No one had a clue.
539
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:18,799
It's quite difficult to be in a situation
where you're… you're spying on people
540
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,119
and you-- you try to switch that-- that,
541
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400
like, the voices off in your head,
542
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:27,799
but it's not easy.
543
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,039
I--
544
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
I became immune to-- to the racism
545
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,240
and the fascism.
546
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,599
We'd-- we'd-- we'd look up to… heroes
547
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,880
within our movement,
like the Waffen SS,
548
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Hitler, of course.
549
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,400
For a racist,
it was an inspiring environment.
550
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,559
[man 1] Did you feel yourself
being brainwashed?
551
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,079
[Arthur] I'd love to say I thought
it was all bullshit.
552
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:00,759
But--
553
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:02,799
Yeah, definitely.
554
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Yeah, they indoctrinated me. Yeah.
555
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,400
It was like you--
556
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,680
Yes, I doubted the Holocaust happened.
557
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:14,440
And I was even thinking
558
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,519
that maybe I was naive
559
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,640
if I followed the mainstream view
560
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:24,279
that it did happen.
561
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,400
If they can get inside my head,
562
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,359
imagine what it was doing to other people.
563
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,880
-Come on!
-[crowd shouting]
564
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,599
When you're ready!
565
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:44,359
[crowd chanting]
Rights for whites! Rights for whites!
566
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440
When you were in that bubble,
567
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,480
you were with like-minded people.
568
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,480
They had the same grievances as you,
569
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,519
they had the same background as you,
a lot of them.
570
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,799
You were, like, insulated from reality.
571
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,480
I was part of it back then.
572
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160
This is our country!
573
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,400
Our own race traitors,
574
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,240
who are trying to destroy this country,
575
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:12,119
they are the enemy!
576
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880
[crowd cheering]
577
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,119
[man 14] A guy called John Tyndall
was our leader.
578
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,880
He was a very high-profile
right-wing politician at the time.
579
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,319
Tyndall was a magnet for misfits,
580
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,279
lunatics, and losers, really.
581
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,240
That's what he wanted,
582
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:31,599
'cause he could… he could control 'em.
583
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,960
He would never say,
"Go out and blow people up,"
584
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,400
or "Attack people,"
but he was very clever with words.
585
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,640
His speeches were quite rousing,
you know.
586
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,839
We will fight on, work on,
march on, and struggle on
587
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,200
to build a country for which they died
588
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,359
and give Britain back
to the British people!
589
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,960
[crowd applauding and cheering]
590
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,279
[man 14] We used to go
to different meetings,
591
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,079
and they were always in pubs.
592
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,039
And so, you had all these
violent young men,
593
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:10,760
intoxicated,
594
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,559
being told that they're being threatened
by these hordes of immigrants,
595
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,840
and they're gonna murder you in your beds
and rape your wife and eat your children.
596
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,679
[crowd shouting]
597
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,880
[man 14] After the meeting,
there would always be violence.
598
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,559
-[rioter] Come on then, you wanker!
-[cheering]
599
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,719
Are you all right? Can I get vitals?
600
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,800
[man 14] You've got this rage
inside you all the time, and…
601
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,559
anger and frustration,
602
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,559
and then it just--
603
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,679
You can-- you can spew it all out.
You know what I mean?
604
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,400
You can vent it on someone else.
605
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,960
I remember after one particular meeting,
606
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:58,719
I had a transit van.
607
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,320
It toured the area
608
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,159
and dragged Black people off the street.
609
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,119
Kidnapped them, basically,
610
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:11,639
and they were subjected
to some pretty awful violence.
611
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,440
If the BNP didn't have that meeting
in the pub…
612
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,480
and tell everyone that
they were under threat and in danger,
613
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,119
they wouldn't have gone out
attacking people.
614
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:29,599
You know, they-they incited them to do it,
and then they'd wipe their mouth
615
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:30,880
and go home to his…
616
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:35,039
million-pound pile in Surrey
or wherever it was and…
617
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,320
we'd go back to our shitholes
in Stockwell, you know what I mean?
618
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,320
Job done, then.
619
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,039
That's-- that's how it happens.
620
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,840
That's how they manipulate people
and use people, and--
621
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,960
Yeah, I've done some pretty…
pretty shit things, really.
622
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,199
Really bad things.
623
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,880
[machine whirring]
624
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,760
[Johnstone] When did this comeinto your head that you wanted to do this?
625
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,280
[suspect] Oh, don't know. A few years ago.
626
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,119
[Boland] 'Cause you're only 22 now, right?
627
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,400
[suspect] Yeah, so I was about 20.
628
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,639
[Boland]
You've heard in the newspaper, no doubt,
629
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,079
and it's been printed, about this White…White Wolves organization.
630
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,079
[suspect] I don't know who they are.I-I don't know who they are.
631
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:28,559
I-I don't care who they are.
632
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,280
[Boland] So, they would haveno idea who you are?
633
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,239
[suspect] No. No idea at all.
634
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,719
[Boland] So their claimsare purely fictional?
635
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,719
[suspect] Made up.
636
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,760
Just trying to, you know, take my glory.
637
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,320
[machine clicks, whirring]
638
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,119
[suspect] My aim was political.To cause a racial war in this country.
639
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,639
[unsettling music playing]
640
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,119
[Johnstone] What does that mean?
641
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,320
[suspect] There'll be the uprisingand all that.
642
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,119
You know, the racial violencein the street, whatever.
643
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,159
[Johnstone]
What was your intention at that point?
644
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,039
[suspect] I was thinking of a targetI was gonna blow up.
645
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:07,559
[Johnstone] Had you decided at this timewhere you were going to put the bomb?
646
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:08,880
[suspect] Yeah.
647
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,880
Soho.
648
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,960
[reporter 6] Two bomb attacks in London
649
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,840
have understandably led to fearsin the capital that there is more to come.
650
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Racists, we are told,were probably behind the bombs,
651
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840
and they probablyintend to strike again.
652
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,400
["Alice From Above"
by Dave Antrell playing]
653
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,960
♪ Alice from above ♪
654
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,119
♪ Has a face that makes youWant to fall in love ♪
655
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:40,840
♪ Fall in love ♪
656
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,719
♪ All I wanted is a… ♪
657
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,360
[man 15] Nobody knew which community
was gonna be targeted next.
658
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,800
Would it be the Chinese community?
659
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,840
Would it be the Jewish community?
660
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,840
There was a lot of discussion.
661
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,599
But the early conversations
were all about race, all about ethnicity.
662
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,519
Nobody was thinking about, uh, the fact
663
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,639
that this could go wider
to the gay community.
664
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,719
[dance music playing]
665
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,880
[man 15] The visible part
of the gay community was in Soho,
666
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,400
and probably Old Compton Street.
667
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,440
You could kind of barhop
668
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,559
from one bar or one gay venue to another.
669
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,800
They were thriving, they were energetic,
670
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,480
they were full of life.
671
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,480
It felt very free.
672
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,559
It felt as if you could be in those spaces
and be yourself.
673
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:40,639
[dance music continues]
674
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,519
When the second bomb went off,
things became very clear very quickly.
675
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,360
This was somebody who hated difference.
676
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,239
They hate people who are different,
677
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,400
who-- who don't fit their perception
of normal society.
678
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,079
We began having conversations
with the police at quite a senior level.
679
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,639
We were told that it was a--
a racial issue.
680
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,840
And we raised our concerns,
and it was met with some skepticism
681
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,119
and some disbelief at Scotland Yard.
682
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,599
So it was really pretty much down to us
683
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,800
to ring round the managers
of the key venues,
684
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,679
the pubs, the clubs, the coffee bars,
the restaurants, to say…
685
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,320
"This could come to us.
Please be aware. Be vigilant."
686
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,679
[suspenseful music playing]
687
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,440
We will defeat the people
who are responsible for these bombs.
688
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:43,559
We will catch them.
689
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,320
We don't have specific corroboration
for any particular group,
690
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,199
uh, who are responsible
for these outrages,
691
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,360
but clearly, it is--
it is most likely to be, um,
692
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,320
far-right extremists
who are targeting minority groups.
693
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:04,480
[man 12] Everyone was kind of blind to it,
'cause no one knew where it was coming.
694
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,679
But everyone was expecting
for it to happen.
695
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,519
I'd meet Arthurin places
where we thought
696
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,519
other people who knew him
or knew me wouldn't be.
697
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,639
Tourist hotels in London,
698
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,440
meet outside London.
699
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,639
He understood what his mission was.
700
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,639
And he understood
that he had to stop them.
701
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,519
[Arthur] I'd meet my contact
702
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,519
and go through all these names
of people I knew already…
703
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,559
and mentioned this guy
704
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,280
who I'd referred to as "Dave from Barking"
705
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,079
because he-- he mentioned
that was where… where he was living.
706
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,800
We were a similar sort of age,
707
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:47,800
bonded a little bit,
708
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,559
talked about music
709
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:56,920
and the fact he didn't like people
with brown faces very much.
710
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,679
I last saw him at the annual rally
711
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,719
when, um, he was acting like a-a steward.
712
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,639
He had, like, a steward's armband.
He stood next to John Tyndall.
713
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,840
I think Tyndall got quite badly beaten up
by anti-fascists.
714
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,960
After that, Dave just, like, disappeared.
715
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,239
And I didn't think anything of him.
716
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,280
[projector clicking]
717
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,360
[uneasy music playing]
718
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,119
[tape recorder clicks, whirring]
719
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,880
[suspect] After Saturday at Brick Lane,
720
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,440
I got a taxi to Soho to do a bit of recon.
721
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,119
[Johnstone] Roughly what timewould this have been?
722
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:46,679
[suspect] Must've been about 7:00.
723
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,800
[Johnstone] Right. So, what wasyour intention at that point?
724
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,079
[suspect] I was thinking what pub I was gonna blow up.
725
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,800
I went down to Old Compton Street.
726
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,000
I wanted to make sure it was the right pub'cause I was after a queer one.
727
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,719
A gay one or whatever you wanna call it.
728
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
[Boland] Have you got a problemwith gays, then?
729
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,000
-[suspect] Yeah, I have.
-[Boland] Why?
730
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:15,400
[suspect] I'm just very homophobic.
731
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,480
That's pretty-- You know, I just hate 'em.
732
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:19,400
[Johnstone] Why?
733
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,480
[suspect] I don't know. You just do.
734
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,159
[Johnstone] There must be a reason.
735
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,199
[suspect] I got a thing about homosexuals.
736
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,280
I just don't like talking about it,you know what I mean?
737
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:33,559
I chose the gays 'cause I hate them.
738
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,639
You know? I mean, that was personal.
739
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,480
[Johnstone] The tape doesn't pick this up,but when we speak to you about the gays,
740
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:50,440
you-- you have to close your eyes,and you seem quite intense there, David.
741
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,239
[David] Yeah. I just don't like them.
742
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,039
I just don't like them, yeah?
743
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:57,840
[stopwatch ticking]
744
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,079
I'm completely straight.Don't worry about that.
745
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,239
[Johnstone] No, no, no.It's not a problem,but it upsets you.
746
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,679
You know? I don't know why it upsets you.
747
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,320
It upset you enough to plant a bomb.
748
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,199
But I don't know why.
749
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,760
[unsettling music playing]
750
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,599
[reporter 7] After the twoSaturday afternoon bombings in London,
751
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:34,039
police forces around the countryare warning people
752
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,519
who could be potential targetsto be vigilant this weekend.
753
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,280
Detectives fear the Brick Laneand Brixton bombs
754
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,320
could be the start of a nationwideracist terror campaign.
755
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,199
Police say they don't want to spread panic
756
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,840
but want everyone to be awareof the possible threat
757
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,320
of another bomb this bank holiday weekend.
758
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,800
[suspenseful music playing]
759
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:18,199
[Foy] There were two things
that drew attention to the suspect.
760
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,360
Instead of looking at thousands of people,
761
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,719
your job is to look at all those thousands
of people who might be carrying a bag.
762
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,840
And then once that bag was found,
then there was the hat he was wearing.
763
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,320
But there was hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of hours.
764
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,079
[woman 2] At first, the images were so bad
you couldn't tell who it was.
765
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,639
But then we started to find other images
that were clearer.
766
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,679
The guys were straight down at my office.
"Boss, you've gotta see this."
767
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,960
[Foy] I distinctly remember that moment.
768
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,559
Here's the image. This is the bomber.
769
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480
[thrilling music playing]
770
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,840
[reporter 8] Before rush hour,it was on posters at stations
771
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,159
and other key locationsacross the capital.
772
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,440
The images have been postedon the internet
773
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:29,400
and are being sentto every police force in the country.
774
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,440
[reporter 9] Even though the police
suspect he may be behind the bombing,
775
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,119
if he's watching this broadcast
776
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:38,119
and he honestly thinks he's innocent,
then he should come forward.
777
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:39,800
[tape recorder clicks, whirring]
778
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,159
[David] I heard on the radiothat you had pictures of me.
779
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,079
And at first, I thought, "That's it. I'm caught."
780
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,960
So, I've immediately gone straight home,and I've realized I ain't been caught yet.
781
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,920
I built my device, set the time,I packed it all up.
782
00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:00,760
Waited till about half past four,caught a taxi up to Soho.
783
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,960
[Johnstone] What time did you setthe timer up for the Soho bomb?
784
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:07,079
[David] Six thirty.
785
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:21,519
[clock beeps]
786
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,000
[man 16] It was my day off.
787
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,360
I think I'd been to a gallery,
and I was on my way home.
788
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,239
And it was a Friday,
789
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,639
beginning of a-- a holiday weekend.
The weather was glorious.
790
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,840
I think maybe it was late afternoon.
791
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,760
There were people finishing work,
there was an-- an air of gaiety
792
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,840
and, you know,
it was like a holiday weekend.
793
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,159
There was an atmosphere.
794
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:00,039
And I'd been into the Admiral Duncan
once before, I think.
795
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,119
Um, didn't really remember it
all that well,
796
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:05,320
and I was passing by, and I thought,
797
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,599
"Fancy a half a beer."
798
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,679
It was a small pub. Narrow.
799
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,639
And it-it was sort of beginning
to be buzzing.
800
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,920
You know?
And people were arriving all the time.
801
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,519
[suspenseful music playing]
802
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:24,880
[Arthur] It was a Friday afternoon.
803
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:32,400
And I had heard the police
had identified footage from Brixton.
804
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,880
I saw copies of the Evening Standard.
805
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,039
Pretty much straight away, I thought
that it might be Dave from Barking.
806
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:45,119
And then my contact at Searchlight phoned,
807
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,559
and I just said,
808
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:50,800
"It could be David Copeland."
809
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,880
[Foy] We started going through
our own records,
810
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,599
all the stuff that Arthur
had told us over the years,
811
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,599
and, you know, there we found
Copeland's name
812
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:03,559
in a number of different meetings,
a number of different events.
813
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,639
So a colleague of mine
contacted the police.
814
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:09,400
[clock beeps]
815
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,360
[siren wailing]
816
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,360
[suspenseful music rising]
817
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,000
[David] Looked at my watch.I still had, what?
818
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:20,320
An hour to go before the ignition?
819
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,559
I sort of waited by the telephone box,
820
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,000
making it looklike I was waiting for the phone.
821
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,840
I went in there about I'd say ten--
822
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,199
ten to six.
823
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:34,079
Ordered a drink.
824
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,199
When I was in there, I seen the peopleI was gonna maim and kill.
825
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,599
I didn't feel joy about it.
826
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:42,960
I didn't feel sad.
827
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,920
I just didn't feel anything.
828
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,559
[Johnstone] And how long were you here forat the end of the bar, you said?
829
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,199
[David] Fifteen minutes. Twenty minutes.
830
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,559
[Johnstone] Is that right?You had a glass of Coke or something?
831
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,239
[David] A glass of Coke.
832
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,639
I left it there and I asked one of the menin there if there was a bank nearby.
833
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,360
[Johnstone] And this is just as you left,was it now?
834
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,800
-[David] Yeah.
-[Johnstone] Yeah.
835
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,159
[Boland] How many peoplewere actually in the public house
836
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,960
when you actually put the bag down?Do you remember?
837
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,920
[David] Between 15 to 20 people.
838
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,480
I struggled to actually get out of the place.
839
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,840
I had to go around peopleand ask them to move.
840
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,320
I knew that people would be killed,but I had to do it.
841
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,800
[clock beeps]
842
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,119
[dance music playing distantly]
843
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,599
[man 16]
The noise level was getting louder.
844
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,079
Ordered the beer.
845
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,119
I don't know whether I even sipped it.
846
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,960
-And then…
-[snaps fingers]
847
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,159
[music stops suddenly]
848
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,400
[high-pitched ringing]
849
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:12,679
I couldn't hear anything.
850
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Something's really strange.
851
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,239
I felt really strange.
852
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:19,639
Everything switched off.
853
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,000
I don't feel right.
854
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:29,400
And I think that I was still
leaning on… on the bar.
855
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,920
And I looked across to where the optics
and-- and-- and things--
856
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,239
and the bottles should have been,
and there was nothing.
857
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,760
Just darkness, wisps of smoke,
858
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,119
and nobody.
859
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:47,199
I-I couldn't see anybody,
couldn't hear anything.
860
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,199
And I can remember turning
861
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,880
to-- to look to see what was going on,
862
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,639
and then the next memory is of being…
863
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,280
looking up at a-- a young woman,
864
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,639
and I could see her mouth opening
and closing, screaming, I think.
865
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,039
[somber music playing]
866
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,559
I learnt later, if you're in a bomb,
your eardrums get blown.
867
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,039
I think that I was dragged outside
and there was a guy
868
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:50,159
who was with me and--
who said that I was talking to him.
869
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,320
I could tell him where I came from.
870
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,079
I don't remember any of that.
None. None of it.
871
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,159
I was taken to hospital.
872
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,400
They didn't know whether I was gonna live.
873
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,800
They had me on some pretty strong drugs.
874
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,800
And I remember, sort of, dreaming
and things like that
875
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,480
while they were altering, um,
the level of-- of pain medication.
876
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,840
I was having this dream about being
in a nightclub, and everybody was rats.
877
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,719
And the rats were dressed
as human beings.
878
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,880
[eerie music playing]
879
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,440
There were rats in the wall.
I could hear them.
880
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:46,840
There was a-- a biplane.
881
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,639
You know, one of those planes
that goes onto the water?
882
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,800
That arrived at the… at the nightclub.
883
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,599
Rats, rats, and more rats.
884
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:57,440
[rats squeaking]
885
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,960
[liquid pouring]
886
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,280
I learned later that, um, Copeland
had let his rats--
887
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,480
He had pet rats.
888
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:26,079
And he let them, um, run across the stuff
that he was packing the nail bombs with.
889
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,679
And, um, so, from what I can tell,
890
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,960
the guys that were
in the same hospital as me,
891
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:34,800
um, we all got these weird infections,
892
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,079
and they couldn't figure out
what was wrong with us.
893
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,760
And it was all because
he let these rats…
894
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:43,159
you know, like, urinate and defecate
895
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,760
all over whatever it was
that he was jamming in there.
896
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,320
-[sirens wailing]
-[somber music playing]
897
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,880
[man 6] As these patients
came in one at a time,
898
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:10,079
we began to realize
just how serious this was.
899
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,559
They had quite horrific injuries.
900
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,760
This was like a war scene.
901
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,880
Patients came in with extensive burns,
902
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,280
unconscious,
903
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,400
one after another.
904
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,519
And perhaps the most difficult thing
I've had to do in my career
905
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:43,159
was dealing with a patient
who had come in unconscious,
906
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,679
and he remained unconscious
for a few days.
907
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,880
As he came round gradually,
908
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,360
we realized that we had to speak to him
909
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,039
to give him the worst possible news.
910
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:03,880
Two friends had both died
911
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:10,559
and tragically his wife and unborn child
912
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:13,039
had also been killed.
913
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,199
[somber music playing]
914
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,440
It's been revealed that a pregnant woman
and the best man at her wedding
915
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:40,840
were among the three people killed
in the explosion.
916
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,199
Andrea Dykes was killed almost instantly.
917
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,760
Her husband, Julian,
is in a critical condition in hospital.
918
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,920
[Arthur] I was at home when I heard.
919
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,079
It was just complete shock.
920
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,960
And helplessness.
921
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:21,159
You know, we were--
922
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,039
We were, uh, close,
923
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,119
um, in terms of--
924
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:31,280
You know, we felt we were getting
very close to catching the perpetrator.
925
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,679
[siren wailing]
926
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:37,599
We'd tracked down a-- an address
that he was possibly living at.
927
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,719
[siren continues wailing]
928
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:50,599
[machine clicks, whirring]
929
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,360
[David] Honestly, I wanted to get caught.
930
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,280
[Boland] Why?
931
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,440
[David] I'd be famous in some sort of way.
932
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,320
[Johnstone] And what does famemean to you?
933
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:05,960
[David] It's existence.
934
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,679
[Johnstone] What's that mean?I-I don't understand.
935
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:13,920
[David] If no one remembers who you were,you never existed.
936
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,960
[Johnstone] All right.
937
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,920
It would be remiss of us not to ask…
938
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,079
why you did it?
939
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:29,920
[David] To spread fear,resentment, and hatred.
940
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,559
I am a Nazi.
941
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,199
I admit that.
942
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,320
Yeah.
943
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,199
[machine buzzing]
944
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,599
[Boland] David, that is the buzzer
945
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:46,360
indicating that the tapeis about to finish,
946
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,559
so we will finish at this moment in time.
947
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,679
[machine stops whirring]
948
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,320
Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
949
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,320
in the early hours
of Saturday the 1st of May,
950
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,320
unarmed officers from
the Organized Crime squad Flying Squad
951
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:07,400
arrested a 22-year-old man
in Cove, Hampshire.
952
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,480
[ominous music playing]
953
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:18,400
[man 17] The man is not a member
954
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,079
of any of the groups
which have made claims of responsibility
955
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:23,239
for the bombings.
956
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,719
It is understood that he was working alone
957
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,480
for his own motives.
958
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,360
[booming, dark music playing]
959
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,360
[reporter 10] The startof David Copeland's murder trial
960
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,079
was attended by morethan three dozen of his victims
961
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:01,280
and the relatives of those he killed.
962
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,760
The 24-year-old defendantdenies three murder charges
963
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,800
due to diminished responsibility.
964
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,400
[man 14] Copeland wouldn't be
the first person
965
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,199
who thought he could get away with murder
by claiming he's mad.
966
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,239
I've got a massive problem with people
967
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,800
who harm women or children.
968
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,639
And so when Copeland happened--
969
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:30,920
For-- He's murdered that woman,
970
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,800
and he's murdered an unborn child.
971
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,239
You know, I was never gonna let him
get away with it.
972
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,639
His only option really
973
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,519
was to plead diminished responsibility,
974
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:49,960
so I needed him to confess
that he was perfectly sane.
975
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,800
But these days, you've got
these pedophile hunters on the internet,
976
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,840
and they pretend to be a male or a female,
977
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,360
and a pedophile
will get in touch with them,
978
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,480
they'll arrange to meet,
then they give the evidence to the police.
979
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:09,000
Well, if you like, before the internet,
980
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:12,880
um, I was doing
a different version of that.
981
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:16,519
[woman 3] Dear David, you don't know me,
982
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:19,119
but I've been hearing about youin the news.
983
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:23,199
How can they call people monsters and evilwithout even knowing them?
984
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,079
I believe everyone is innocentuntil proven guilty.
985
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,960
Anyway, I hope you don't mind mewriting to you.
986
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,360
Patsy.
987
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,360
[David] Dear Patsy,thank you for your letter.
988
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,360
I'm 5 foot 8, 23 with brown hair.
989
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,159
My mum says I'm handsome,but I don't know. [chuckles]
990
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:47,039
I can't picture what you look like.
991
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:48,920
Please send me a picture.
992
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:53,639
[man 14] With Copeland,
he's gonna wanna be in control,
993
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,800
so I invented this girl
called Patsy Scanlon.
994
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:02,280
Patsy was like these girls you see
995
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,119
in the 1940s propaganda films.
996
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:09,880
You know, she's lithe, blonde, beautiful.
997
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,480
Someone who'll do what they're told
without question.
998
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,519
Someone who's vulnerable.
999
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,039
Totally airhead, do you know what I mean?
1000
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,159
I knew he'd go for that
one million percent.
1001
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:26,280
I just knew it.
1002
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:30,760
[reporter 10] For the survivors,
1003
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,159
it was a day of harrowing evidence.
1004
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:36,280
As the horrific injuriescaused by the explosions were described,
1005
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,920
several people were visibly distressed.
1006
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:43,559
The trial was about
whether he was mad or bad,
1007
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,760
and he had a barrage of lawyers.
1008
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,360
He had, you know, more on-- on his side
1009
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,960
than what were on the other side,
than the-- than the Crown.
1010
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,599
[reporter 10] David Copeland pleaded not guilty to murder,
1011
01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:59,880
but said instead he was guiltyof manslaughter
1012
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:01,800
because of diminished responsibility.
1013
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,760
It's now for the jury to decidehis state of mind.
1014
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,039
[man 14] Essentially, what I needed
was a smoking gun.
1015
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:11,039
I needed him to say, you know, something
1016
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,639
that showed he was playing a game
with the doctors,
1017
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:16,199
but I didn't have a lot of time
to get him.
1018
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:17,639
[Patsy] Dear David,
1019
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,599
I hope you're not too worriedabout your trial.
1020
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:23,039
It must be a stressful timefor you.
1021
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:24,920
[David] Dear Patsy,
1022
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,920
you are a very attractive young lady.
1023
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,119
[laughing]
1024
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:31,639
Oh, you know.
1025
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:35,440
My plan was to build Copeland up.
1026
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,639
By doing that, get him to open up.
1027
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,639
[Patsy] I hope you're feeling confidentand thinking positive thoughts.
1028
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,199
[David] It feels strange being famous.
1029
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:43,760
[Patsy] Dear David,
1030
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,280
I saw your picture in the papersthe other day.
1031
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,639
Your mum is right.You really are handsome.
1032
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:49,960
[David] Dear Patsy,
1033
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:51,599
I can't get you out of my mind.
1034
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,599
All I do is dream about youand when we can finally meet.
1035
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,960
And he signed that "Love, Dave,"
which was an escalation of things, really.
1036
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,119
The whole mood
of Copeland's letters changed.
1037
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:06,559
[David] Dear Patsy…
1038
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:09,320
[man 14] I had a…
a flurry of letters at that point.
1039
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,119
[David] Your letters are the only thingsthat are keeping me going here.
1040
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,639
I lie on my bed at nightand think of you.
1041
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:18,119
Promise me, Patsy,you'll never forget about me.
1042
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:21,880
-Hope I'll hear from you soon.-[man 14] Then, finally, I had him.
1043
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,280
[David] Dear Patsy, this place is a joke.
1044
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,559
So are the doctors.
1045
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:26,920
They think they're clever,
1046
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,960
but they're as stupid as the fools in here.
1047
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,239
Things are not looking too badfor my trial.
1048
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,679
I can't believe that I fooledall the doctors.
1049
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:38,840
"I can't believe that I have fooled
all the doctors."
1050
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:47,239
The jury looked at the correspondence
in its entirety.
1051
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,880
Saw it as I saw it.
Saw it as the psychiatrist saw it.
1052
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,679
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him.
1053
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:02,559
Copeland was showed photographs
of these horrific injuries
1054
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:05,840
and all the misery and pain he'd caused,
1055
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,400
and not once did he show
a sign of emotion.
1056
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,840
But then when the prosecutor read out
1057
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,920
that, um, the girl he wanted to marry
1058
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,679
was actually a… an hairy-arsed bouncer
from Essex called Bernie,
1059
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:24,199
you know, he put his head in his hands
and slumped in the dock.
1060
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,119
You know, his-- his world ended.
1061
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:31,840
[reporter 11]
David Copeland, the young fanatic
1062
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,320
who worshiped Adolf Hitler
and planted nail bombs across London,
1063
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,800
is in Broadmoor tonight
starting six life sentences.
1064
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:43,800
He was convicted of murdering three people
and injuring nearly 150 others
1065
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,880
in a bombing campaign
that targeted Blacks and homosexuals.
1066
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,960
The jury rejected his plea
1067
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,400
that he wasn't responsible
for his actions.
1068
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,239
[crowd cheering and applauding]
1069
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,320
[camera shutters clicking]
1070
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,679
[dramatic music playing]
1071
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,920
[crowd cheering]
1072
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,719
[reporter 12] For two of the survivors,
a poignant moment outside the Old Bailey.
1073
01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:13,079
David Copeland has not achieved his aims
of fame and power.
1074
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:18,199
Today's verdict prove he--
proves he is a dangerous, pathetic nobody
1075
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,800
who is now where he belongs.
1076
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:26,920
-Thanks, fellas.
-[reporter 13] Thanks.
1077
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,559
[crowd cheering]
1078
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:38,320
Everybody was saying, "Come on,
we'll go out for a drink" and "Yeah."
1079
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:43,599
And I can remember thinking… [scoffs]
"Nothing to celebrate here. Really."
1080
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:45,400
[man 18] Oh, beautiful.
1081
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:48,679
To new beginnings.
1082
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,000
[man 16] I've always had this real
overwhelming sense of, um,
1083
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:56,320
what a bloody waste.
1084
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,760
What a waste of human life.
1085
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:01,679
His included.
1086
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:05,320
'Cause he'll never get out,
he'll never be any use to anybody.
1087
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:09,199
And what he's done
to all these people, you know?
1088
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,079
Hundreds and hundreds of people.
1089
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:13,159
[somber music playing]
1090
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:21,639
[Arthur] I wish…
1091
01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:24,679
I wish we'd been able to stop it.
1092
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,800
Just, like, stop those people
from being killed and injured.
1093
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:35,679
[man 1] So, there's some sort of guilt
that exists, is there?
1094
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:38,360
[Arthur] Yeah.
Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
1095
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:40,639
Definitely.
1096
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,239
I think about that a lot.
1097
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:49,559
I thought I'd got over it.
[laughing] And then it came back.
1098
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,400
[sighs]
1099
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:55,559
I, you know, well--
1100
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,480
Joining the BNP, I wanted, like,
the excitement of, like, being a spy and…
1101
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:05,280
all that, and, like,
taking on, like, the bad people.
1102
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:08,480
But when something on that scale happened,
1103
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:13,360
I wish-- I wish we'd been able
to stop what happened sooner.
1104
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:21,559
Yep.
1105
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:23,360
[somber music playing]
1106
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:28,000
[man 12] Arthur was someone
who was motivated by doing something good.
1107
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:33,559
At the time, there was a reward.
There was a reward put out by the police.
1108
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,079
Seventy-thousand pounds
for his identification.
1109
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,360
Arthur was never interested in a penny.
1110
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,400
And even now. I mean--
There were some people in his family,
1111
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,960
only on the 20th anniversary
of the London nail bombings
1112
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,920
that some of his family found out
what-- what he had done.
1113
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:55,079
That he wasn't a Nazi after all.
1114
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,639
Arthur had been inside for 10 years,
1115
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:05,880
you know, week in, week out,
going to British National Party meetings,
1116
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,119
being chased down the street
by anti-fascists,
1117
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:10,440
being attacked by anti-fascists,
1118
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:12,920
going to concerts with Nazis,
1119
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,880
and he'd done all of this and--
1120
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:19,560
Of course, you know, he did far more
than just identify Copeland.
1121
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,199
He played a major role
1122
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:26,760
in the British National Party not building
on their successes in East London.
1123
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,199
Tyndall failed to take hold
across the country because of Arthur.
1124
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,039
The police say that the BNP presence does
introduce an element of racial tension--
1125
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:41,560
Oh, "The police say,
the police say, the police say."
1126
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:44,600
-So you don't believe them.
-No, we don't accept it at all.
1127
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,039
And you don't accept the courts and
the convictions that your members have.
1128
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:49,279
I've told you before,
1129
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,600
our members have no greater proportion
1130
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,319
of convictions
than any other party members.
1131
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,199
Okay. Thanks very much.
1132
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,960
Right. Get your stuff out of here
with the minimum delay.
1133
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:04,199
You people are true to form.
1134
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,680
You're exactly the way that, uh,
we've learned to expect, and…
1135
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,479
[introspective cello music playing]
1136
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,000
[activist] They're trying
to drive us apart,
1137
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:28,439
and the message
we're giving them here today,
1138
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,479
that it's the reverse effect.
1139
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,399
We're coming together!
1140
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,119
-In a way you've never seen us before!
-[crowd cheering]
1141
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:38,119
Let's march to fulfill this day!
1142
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,680
I think that someone like Copeland,
1143
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:56,039
someone trying to do what Copeland did,
will never succeed.
1144
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:00,199
What gives me hope
1145
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,079
is that there are still more good people
than bad people.
1146
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:07,159
And-- and the haters can never win.
1147
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:11,720
In the long-- in the long term,
the haters can ne-- can never win.
1148
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,199
And it must be… it must be horrible
to be consumed with hate.
1149
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:17,239
You know?
1150
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:22,520
Think about all the things you can't enjoy
'cause, you know, you're full of hate.
1151
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,359
No. Today's Friday.
I'm gonna go home and have a beer.
1152
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:28,119
[laughing]
1153
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:36,500
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1154
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,399
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