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There's something there
that lets you know it's there.
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This house,
it's really grabbed me.
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It's got its hooks
sinked into me.
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There's a lot of thing that happen
in this house that we can't explain.
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It's wild
just being there.
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It has this, you know,
this aura about it, a... a... a mystery.
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I wanted a simple house,
I wanted a A-frame house,
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and I wanted a... a loft upstairs
with a balcony.
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And when we first drove by here,
it was just a beautiful meadow.
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It was covered with wildflowers.
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And it just took my breath away.
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And I said,
you know, "That's it."
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I had the house
subcontracted, built like I wanted.
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When they started building,
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we noticed that there were some
strange things happening.
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The doors would slam.
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I mean nothing else would be blowing
around, but the door would slam.
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They put the doorbell in
and it would ring.
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And you'd go to the door,
there's nobody there.
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I remember deadbolting the door
and going upstairs
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and as soon as I get upstairs,
you know, we heard a bang!
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I looked out
and the door was open.
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But it had the deadbolt
still sticking out.
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This house had a lot of activity
that was unusual
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and we knew that.
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I made peace with that,
I lived with that
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until 2011.
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At 11:30, I was probably
in bed by 12 o' clock.
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And it was
pitch-black dark in here.
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And a light came on
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and I opened my eyes and, uh,
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there was this... it was light.
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It was a patch of total daylight
from the ceiling to the floor.
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And it was daylight
in this tube of light
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and it was pitch black
in the rest of the room.
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I just stared at it.
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After about 10 seconds,
it just went blink, it went out.
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I just covered my head
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and I pulled back the covers
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and I saw there were like,
real bright red buttons of light.
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I had a flashlight on the bed
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and I shone the flashlight
all around the room
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and uh, there was
nothing unusual.
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And I really did feel watched.
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I felt a presence,
I felt observed.
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I didn't know if it was
a religious experience,
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I didn't know if it was a UFO
experience, I didn't know what it was.
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It scared me to death.
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That was a turning point
in my life,
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because I decided
that I would not stay here
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by myself at night.
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I never mentioned it
to hardly anybody in this town
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about the paranormal activity
in my house,
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because I wasn't sure
how they would take it.
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It's a... it's a...
it's in the Bible Belt
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and you know... and you know, I just...
I didn't know how they would take it.
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Florence
is a suburb of Jackson,
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the statistical
metropolitan area.
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This is community that's...
that's got good neighbors.
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They probably
pretty much keep to themselves
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and that may be
what makes them good neighbors.
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I think
the people are real nice.
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If somebody dies,
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uh, everybody
comes and brings food
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and they go to the cemetery
or they go to the funeral halls
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or do what they can for you.
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We're just country.
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Just... just country.
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Florence is a great
town, but it's a southern town.
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Some people are open-minded
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and some people
are very close-minded.
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Florence is very Bible Belt-ish.
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Bringing in the paranormal
to them is unbelievable.
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Do you believe in ghosts?
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Uh, believe in what?
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No, I don't.
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I am a Christian,
I do believe in the Holy Spirit.
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If y'all... y'all go stay out in empty
houses all night, I'll go to bed.
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I was all embarrassed,
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because I thought, you know,
I'm just gonna look like an idiot.
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So, I didn't tell anybody
until it became known enough
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that I knew there were gonna do
a little news program on it.
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On the outside,
it looks like your typical home,
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but inside
it's anything but normal.
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The candle
just got up and landed.
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It didn't just tipple over
and it didn't shoot over,
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it just kinda
levitated over there.
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After that news segment,
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that just kinda validated to me
that it was okay to express it,
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because I just kept it inside,
I didn't tell a lot of people.
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But once it was documented,
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I felt perfectly
free then to talk about it.
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And it was really a big moment.
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That kinda made it real for me.
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I think that's when it... that's when I
started being really open to really...
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I was trying to find
somebody who could...
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or maybe come up
with some explanation.
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I started talking
to a friend ofmine at work
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and she said
she knew a young investigator
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named John Bullard
who might be interested.
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My name's John Bullard.
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I'm a marketing director
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for about 40
different restaurants.
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What got me
into the paranormal is
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ever since I was a little child,
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I would see shadow figures,
I would hear voices.
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I didn't know
if I was crazy or not
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and I wanted
to validate it for myself.
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Uh, I didn't want to validate it
for anybody else,
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I just wanted to figure out
that I wasn't crazy.
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And I started doing research
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about the supernatural
and the paranormal.
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And I kinda, you know, over time
wanted to test the waters,
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so I went to supposedly haunted
places to test the waters,
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to see if I could actually
capture something,
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if I could feel something
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or sense something
that I sensed when I was child.
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We accidentally caught
an incredible spirit voice EVP,
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electronic voice phenomenon
and that kinda changed me.
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What is that white out
near the woods, you see that?
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It is in the woods,
you see it now?
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Oh, no, no, no,
shine closer to it, shine.
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In here.
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- What the fuck was that?
- What was that? What?
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Did you say-that place
said "in here?"
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No.
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Did y'all not...
you didn't hear that?
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No, I'm sorry.
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In here.
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There...
there, did you hear anybody say, "in here?"
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Did someone
just say "in here?"
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Did you hear that?
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- Uh, I heard something.
- John.
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- I'm not fucking kidding.
- I'm sorry.
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Well, my biggest goal
that I set in my mind was
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to document evidence
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that was clean, clear,
and easy to view.
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Did somebody
just make that noise?
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I was referred
to the Mississippi house
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by a friend of a friend.
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When we pull up to the house,
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you would never think there
was anything really going on
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inside the house.
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So, we were really skeptical,
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but we figured
we'd hear her out.
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Alice told us about the lights
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that she experienced
in the bottom bedroom
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and some other sounds
that she'd heard in the house.
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And just from the
pre-investigation that we did,
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it really started
to intrigue me.
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Things moved.
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Lights that have turned off.
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It's something different
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than just
a paranormal investigation.
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We have done about nine years,
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it's the longest location that
we have ever done consistently.
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We have a DVR system
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that is filming the house
24 hours a day,
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they try to capture
something else.
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There's definitely
something else out there,
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whether it's a uh,
you know, another world
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or something
that we're tapping into.
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Uh, it's up...
it's up for debate.
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I have something
very special for you today.
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We have Brad Cooney.
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Brad is part
of the Mississippi house
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and it is very well-documented
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as a place that is haunted.
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So, tell me a little bit
about the house.
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Just about everybody
who we bring in there,
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it just... it creeps 'em out.
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There's
a different energy in there
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like you... you mentioned
in your opening.
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It's very well-documented,
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the evidence captured
is amazing.
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Good?
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Will you get
that close cobwebs out?
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You see I'm not home so much,
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I didn't realize all those
cobwebs are back there.
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This is really out of my comfort
zone, this whole thing.
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So, I've lived here
uh, 12 years.
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12 years now and this is
where I do all my... my podcasts
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and throughout
my boxing journalistic career
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I've accrued quite a few things
in the boxing world
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writing for magazines
and writing for boxing websites.
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I've... I've met just about
everybody there is
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that's anybody
in the boxing world.
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h, Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya,
Floyd Mayweather.
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I don't go to the fights anymore though, I
don't cover it, I did it for a lot of years.
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It was just time to start
another chapter.
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I got into the paranormal
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uh, in... in... in...
standing in this very room,
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watched TV one day
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and a segment
that a local news broadcaster
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did on Miss Alice's house
caught my attention.
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I stopped what I was doing,
I started watching it
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and realized
it was really close,
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so I reached out to that homeowner and
her friend that was also on that segment.
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'Cause it was
really interesting to me,
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especially how close it was.
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It was like wow, usually you hear
something's haunted or whatever
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or whatever it might be
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it's a long drive, but this was
so close to where I live.
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So, I would be interested and it
would be really interesting for me
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to uh, to see
if they'll have me in there
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and take a look around.
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So that's all,
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that's how I started
getting into the paranormal.
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And it just took off from there.
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I met Alice and when
she told me her story,
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I believed her, instantly.
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In fact,
the first day I came here,
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we had... we had some
activity happen in the house
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which really piqued my interest
up at that point.
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- Actually, they said
- You see that?
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It was coming towards the stairs
and it went...
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- out the door... ooh, ooh, ooh.
- Look at that there.
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The next week
I came back again,
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I captured some more evidence
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um, that I felt
I couldn't explain.
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And it... it just
blossomed from there.
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We had major equipment failure,
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because of spirit activity
all up in this sucker.
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But this is a REM pod
that's going nuts.
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I learned some of the stuff
through research,
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trying things.
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Then I got to where
I would buy some equipment.
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It's... it's kind of how
I learned how to investigate.
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Brad Cooney came along
a few years ago
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and really helped out to what we
were doing in the Mississippi house.
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It's good to get two
investigators who are separate,
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who originally never
knew each other,
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who'd come together and are experiencing
the same things in the house.
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This is my...
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I'm beginning my third year
investigating this house.
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Once I think I figured
something out,
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something else happens.
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Some things I've
debunked in... in the home,
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but many things I...
I can't debunk
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and that in itself is...
is why I keep doing this.
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Because there's things that
happen here that I just simply...
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I can't figure out
why it's happening.
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Wait,
that's gotta be somebody.
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Ask for somebody that...
ask if anyone's in there?
247
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Man.
248
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That might've been the most
profound noises we've ever heard in here.
249
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Wow.
250
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During
our investigations,
251
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we've heard voices
in this house.
252
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Doors open.
253
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We've seen light shut off.
254
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So, we would start asking,
255
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you shut that light off again?"
256
00:15:53,251 --> 00:15:55,687
And we've actually
gotten direct responses
257
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to where the light
would shut off.
258
00:15:58,022 --> 00:16:00,258
Can you make any noise
or do something for us
259
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that will tell us
that we're not alone in here?
260
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Which one in here?
261
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He said the black
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Is this? Oh!
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Oh my God,
will you look at
264
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And it's on camera.
265
00:16:28,719 --> 00:16:30,656
The chandelier just
shut off by itself.
266
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We believe it's possible that
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spirit activity,
spirits that hear us
268
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are communicating with us.
269
00:16:38,863 --> 00:16:43,334
And we try to, get as much as we
can for possibly a breakthrough.
270
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,272
So, I do feel like we are teaching
the spirits to communicate with us.
271
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I feel like we are teaching
the dead
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inside the house of Mississippi
how to communicate with us.
273
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Please.
274
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I feel
your static-charged energy,
275
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turn it up for me, please.
276
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There we go.
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- There we go!
- There we go.
278
00:17:11,929 --> 00:17:14,565
We use a lot of trigger
objects inside the house.
279
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We started putting
a baseball or two baseballs
280
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on the staircase
in the Mississippi house.
281
00:17:20,071 --> 00:17:22,274
And for a while
we set 'em up there
282
00:17:22,306 --> 00:17:24,608
and obviously, we tried to
communicate to the spirits
283
00:17:24,642 --> 00:17:26,478
that we wanted them
to move the baseball,
284
00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:28,345
to roll it down the stairs.
285
00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:32,818
We want nothing more than to hear the baseball
bounce down those stairs and hit the floor.
286
00:17:34,584 --> 00:17:37,788
That baseball
sat idle for days.
287
00:17:40,892 --> 00:17:44,828
But then one day
just decided to up and move,
288
00:17:44,862 --> 00:17:46,698
and fall down
the steps by itself.
289
00:18:13,357 --> 00:18:15,559
Since then it's happened
several times.
290
00:18:23,133 --> 00:18:25,903
What the hell's going
on in this house?
291
00:18:25,937 --> 00:18:28,973
Why do things move that
aren't supposed to move?
292
00:18:29,006 --> 00:18:30,409
Things defy physics.
293
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I want answers.
294
00:18:34,778 --> 00:18:36,480
What happens when we die?
295
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Is there a... does our... do we retain our
consciousness when we cross over and...
296
00:18:39,116 --> 00:18:41,920
and this is what we're hearing
and seeing in... in this house.
297
00:18:44,122 --> 00:18:46,425
The ball moving has intrigued
me the most.
298
00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:51,429
That's something' that I'm
really hungry to find out why.
299
00:18:51,461 --> 00:18:53,397
Why is that ball moving?
300
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:55,132
Is there something' behind it?
301
00:18:55,165 --> 00:18:57,534
Why? I have no idea why
this is happening.
302
00:18:57,567 --> 00:18:59,671
Let's bring in
somebody who might,
303
00:18:59,703 --> 00:19:01,072
I think that's very,
very important.
304
00:19:11,516 --> 00:19:12,918
Let's see what we got.
305
00:19:14,619 --> 00:19:16,621
What this does,
it holds a level point,
306
00:19:16,653 --> 00:19:18,022
this is what we're gonna
shoot from.
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00:19:24,895 --> 00:19:26,130
Zero.
308
00:19:33,537 --> 00:19:35,406
Side to side, it's level.
309
00:19:45,216 --> 00:19:48,053
There might be a little
slope up here, but...
310
00:19:49,053 --> 00:19:50,220
Where? Up there, yeah.
311
00:19:50,254 --> 00:19:53,458
I couldn't see why
it would roll down there. Okay.
312
00:19:55,793 --> 00:19:57,594
I am happy to know
the... the slope,
313
00:19:57,628 --> 00:19:59,631
because we do have
our doors open and close.
314
00:19:59,663 --> 00:20:02,666
And uh, so it's not from, you
know, 'cause somebody might say,
315
00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:04,168
"Oh, it's 'cause your house
is not level." No.
316
00:20:04,201 --> 00:20:06,837
Or if the ball rolls, "Maybe it's
'cause your house is not level." No.
317
00:20:07,537 --> 00:20:10,508
No, but what's crazy is your
house has been level since...
318
00:20:11,174 --> 00:20:12,976
- Since a long time ago.
- '06.
319
00:20:13,009 --> 00:20:14,511
- '06, uh-huh.
- Yeah,
320
00:20:14,545 --> 00:20:15,747
the measurements
are still the same.
321
00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:16,847
Yeah.
322
00:20:16,881 --> 00:20:18,850
I hope that
by bringing experts in
323
00:20:18,882 --> 00:20:21,719
that there will be some
discoveries made
324
00:20:21,751 --> 00:20:24,188
that will be
important to us all.
325
00:20:26,824 --> 00:20:31,496
How can objects move that have
no apparent energy source?
326
00:20:31,895 --> 00:20:33,864
There's obviously an answer,
but we don't know it.
327
00:20:35,232 --> 00:20:38,168
There's some sort
of convergence of energy here
328
00:20:38,201 --> 00:20:39,603
that we can't explain.
329
00:21:16,606 --> 00:21:19,643
So, in my opinion all that's
working fine
330
00:21:19,677 --> 00:21:21,913
to the chandelier
and these lights.
331
00:21:22,712 --> 00:21:24,081
And I checked the breaker,
332
00:21:24,114 --> 00:21:28,152
the breaker's shutting it off
and good voltage there.
333
00:21:29,253 --> 00:21:32,190
This dimmer here,
it works fine.
334
00:21:32,222 --> 00:21:35,559
Uh, sometimes
the dimmers would go bad
335
00:21:35,593 --> 00:21:38,930
and make it, you know,
go dimmer.
336
00:21:38,962 --> 00:21:41,699
But that seems to
be working fine.
337
00:21:41,731 --> 00:21:44,068
At this time, I'm not finding
anything wrong with it.
338
00:21:45,036 --> 00:21:50,609
So, I'm not seeing anything
out of the ordinary.
339
00:21:51,075 --> 00:21:52,977
I would... I mean I would've
liked to have seen it
340
00:21:53,009 --> 00:21:55,646
doing what it would,
y'all said it did though.
341
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,815
That would be interesting to me.
342
00:21:56,847 --> 00:21:59,984
I think electricals' fine,
there's nothing wrong with it.
343
00:22:00,985 --> 00:22:03,755
I think you... you're looking
at something else.
344
00:22:09,059 --> 00:22:11,796
So, when you stopped,
after the lights happened,
345
00:22:11,828 --> 00:22:13,764
you decided, "I'm not gonna stay
here anymore."
346
00:22:15,098 --> 00:22:17,067
Did you think about it
when you weren't here?
347
00:22:17,101 --> 00:22:19,070
The first few nights you didn't
stay at the house,
348
00:22:19,103 --> 00:22:21,171
were you kinda wondering
what was going on?
349
00:22:21,205 --> 00:22:22,574
Did you think about coming back
350
00:22:22,606 --> 00:22:23,941
and trying to stay
at the house again?
351
00:22:23,975 --> 00:22:25,577
- Or after you made the decision
- No.
352
00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:26,811
That was it?
353
00:22:26,844 --> 00:22:28,813
No, that was... that
was clear cut.
354
00:22:28,845 --> 00:22:30,781
I'm outta there. Yeah.
355
00:22:30,815 --> 00:22:34,251
Because... because I thought
nobody could help me.
356
00:22:34,285 --> 00:22:36,321
I mean, if you're here
and something',
357
00:22:36,353 --> 00:22:38,890
if there's an intelligence
that's greater than you
358
00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:40,724
and they have these abilities
that are greater than you,
359
00:22:40,757 --> 00:22:42,059
you know you're gone
and nobody...
360
00:22:42,093 --> 00:22:43,161
nobody's gonna be able to help.
361
00:22:43,193 --> 00:22:46,730
No, but I mean you could tell
the... the real fear,
362
00:22:46,764 --> 00:22:48,498
because again you know
363
00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:51,836
It's one of those things you don't talk a lot
about, you know especially in the South.
364
00:22:51,869 --> 00:22:53,237
But when it gets to the point
365
00:22:53,269 --> 00:22:54,939
where you wanna reach out to
somebody,
366
00:22:54,971 --> 00:22:56,007
which I'm glad you did
367
00:22:57,274 --> 00:23:00,712
Uh, because we uncovered a whole
mountain of stuff, you know.
368
00:23:00,745 --> 00:23:04,916
I think there's times that we
could push ourselves.
369
00:23:04,949 --> 00:23:07,118
But this house sometimes
is so intense
370
00:23:07,151 --> 00:23:08,686
I have to back away.
371
00:23:08,719 --> 00:23:10,622
There's only so much
I can take, you know?
372
00:23:10,654 --> 00:23:14,024
I... I... I have a passion for
this field, documentation, but
373
00:23:14,057 --> 00:23:16,960
this house will push you to uh,
a whole another limit.
374
00:23:16,994 --> 00:23:19,130
Well, you brought up a great
point about...
375
00:23:19,162 --> 00:23:21,632
'cause people have
asked you and me also,
376
00:23:21,665 --> 00:23:24,301
"Why would you be scared if
you've been there so many times?"
377
00:23:24,334 --> 00:23:27,872
It's because we've experienced
what this house can do.
378
00:23:27,904 --> 00:23:30,340
And when you're in this house
by yourself, when it's dark, l
379
00:23:30,373 --> 00:23:32,142
ights are off, door's locked...
380
00:23:32,176 --> 00:23:34,112
- Yep.
- It's a different ballgame.
381
00:23:34,144 --> 00:23:37,114
Well, it's interesting that you
know, it took the lights
382
00:23:37,148 --> 00:23:39,317
to be the tipping point
for you to reach out
383
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:42,120
and actually express it and start
getting people in here to help you.
384
00:23:42,152 --> 00:23:43,854
I mean, maybe somebody else
has experienced that,
385
00:23:43,888 --> 00:23:46,324
maybe somebody else
understands what it might be.
386
00:24:21,991 --> 00:24:23,427
So, I was invited by Alice
387
00:24:23,460 --> 00:24:25,796
to come
and investigate her house.
388
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:27,799
At first,
I was a little hesitant,
389
00:24:27,832 --> 00:24:29,100
but I talked to her
on the phone
390
00:24:29,132 --> 00:24:31,902
and something really
is troubling her.
391
00:24:31,936 --> 00:24:34,739
You know, I could just tell
how sincere she was
392
00:24:34,771 --> 00:24:37,107
and how much
this house scared her.
393
00:24:37,141 --> 00:24:39,310
I mean, the fact that it's been
10 years
394
00:24:39,343 --> 00:24:41,144
and she hasn't slept
in the house.
395
00:24:41,178 --> 00:24:44,282
And the fact that she's opened
it up to other people
396
00:24:44,315 --> 00:24:46,851
trying to figure out
what is happening here.
397
00:24:46,883 --> 00:24:50,153
And they showed me a lot of
things that I couldn't explain.
398
00:24:50,187 --> 00:24:52,423
There may be something
paranormal happening,
399
00:24:52,456 --> 00:24:55,126
but it
could be anything, you know?
400
00:24:55,159 --> 00:24:56,928
But I wanna start checking
things off.
401
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,961
"Okay, no, it's not this."
402
00:24:57,996 --> 00:25:00,931
And I wanna help them get
to the bottom of it.
403
00:25:18,949 --> 00:25:21,017
- Hi, Alice.
- How are you doing?
404
00:25:21,051 --> 00:25:22,252
- How are you?
- Good.
405
00:25:22,286 --> 00:25:24,389
- It's nice to see you.
- Aww, it's good to see you.
406
00:25:24,955 --> 00:25:26,424
- Thank you.
- It really is.
407
00:25:26,457 --> 00:25:28,526
Uh, I have some uh,
people here and
408
00:25:28,558 --> 00:25:29,893
- Hey, y'all.
- ...we're ready to do this.
409
00:25:35,999 --> 00:25:37,969
John and Brad realized
410
00:25:38,001 --> 00:25:40,938
that they've sort of done
about all that they can.
411
00:25:41,838 --> 00:25:46,777
Now it's time to step in and
bring it to the next level.
412
00:25:48,879 --> 00:25:52,083
It's time to bring in some...
some other people.
413
00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:55,553
I got
all of these different experts
414
00:25:55,585 --> 00:25:58,021
to come together
and get answers.
415
00:26:19,276 --> 00:26:20,443
Millions of years ago,
416
00:26:20,477 --> 00:26:23,046
when the dinosaurs
walked the Earth,
417
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,483
this area was actually
the bottom of the shallow sea.
418
00:26:27,183 --> 00:26:29,987
If you find
a dinosaur bone in Mississippi,
419
00:26:30,019 --> 00:26:32,155
it's not gonna be
a land-based dinosaur.
420
00:26:32,189 --> 00:26:35,125
In fact,
it's a huge prehistoric whale
421
00:26:35,159 --> 00:26:37,061
in the Mississippi
science museum.
422
00:26:37,961 --> 00:26:40,931
All this life settles to the
bottom
423
00:26:40,965 --> 00:26:43,568
and over the eons
becomes limestone.
424
00:26:44,901 --> 00:26:49,407
Florence was an early area
of mining for this limestone.
425
00:26:53,177 --> 00:26:55,279
The house is not
an 1800s house,
426
00:26:55,312 --> 00:26:57,115
the house was built in the '90s.
427
00:26:58,548 --> 00:27:01,318
And even at the construction
of the house,
428
00:27:01,352 --> 00:27:03,353
she already had
experiences going on.
429
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:07,023
To me, I would assume that
something' associated with the land
430
00:27:07,056 --> 00:27:08,593
and not necessarily the house.
431
00:27:30,113 --> 00:27:33,150
I'm Qilin Dai from Jackson
State University,
432
00:27:33,182 --> 00:27:35,452
assistant
professor of physics.
433
00:27:35,486 --> 00:27:39,055
There is a theory out
there that limestone
434
00:27:39,088 --> 00:27:42,526
...can perhaps
retain energy and release it.
435
00:27:43,928 --> 00:27:46,898
Uh, would that be something
that's possible in your opinion?
436
00:27:46,930 --> 00:27:48,399
I think
it's very possible.
437
00:27:48,431 --> 00:27:51,168
Limestone and mineral... other
minerals,
438
00:27:52,199 --> 00:27:53,304
they can absorb energy.
439
00:27:54,037 --> 00:27:56,239
The simplest way
for a lime or rock
440
00:27:56,273 --> 00:27:58,376
to absorb energy
is the heat,
441
00:27:58,409 --> 00:27:59,911
so they can be heated,
442
00:27:59,943 --> 00:28:03,113
so then they have
this energy, thermo energy.
443
00:28:03,146 --> 00:28:05,181
And then they can deliver this
energy,
444
00:28:05,215 --> 00:28:07,385
so energy can be
transported through them.
445
00:28:08,052 --> 00:28:09,554
Do you think that...
446
00:28:10,453 --> 00:28:14,024
anything
like underground water
447
00:28:14,057 --> 00:28:18,461
or moving water
could create a static charge?
448
00:28:18,495 --> 00:28:20,164
Is that even a possibility?
449
00:28:20,197 --> 00:28:22,300
With water
underground the earth
450
00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:23,968
cannot create any charges.
451
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,238
Maybe because of lighting
something from nature,
452
00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:30,006
it can be charged,
453
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:32,509
but they cannot create
new charges.
454
00:28:32,543 --> 00:28:34,011
So, this is law.
455
00:28:34,044 --> 00:28:37,180
Okay. As you can see here,
456
00:28:37,213 --> 00:28:40,150
and this is a...
a ball here and um
457
00:28:40,584 --> 00:28:42,585
- and...
- Where is the ball?
458
00:28:42,619 --> 00:28:44,055
See that little circle
right there?
459
00:28:44,087 --> 00:28:45,288
- Oh, I see it, I see it.
- Yeah.
460
00:28:45,322 --> 00:28:47,491
And what happens a lot of the
time
461
00:28:47,524 --> 00:28:50,026
is it will propel forward
462
00:28:50,059 --> 00:28:55,299
and just start to fall
down the stairs.
463
00:28:55,699 --> 00:28:58,102
And, in your opinion,
464
00:28:59,169 --> 00:29:03,074
would it be possible
that energy could do that?
465
00:29:03,106 --> 00:29:04,174
It's not earthquake?
466
00:29:05,241 --> 00:29:06,978
That was my first
thought. It was
467
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:08,178
Yeah, it's a
468
00:29:09,645 --> 00:29:11,147
Michael Dennin,
469
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:13,484
I am the Vice Provost for teaching
and learning here at UC Irvine.
470
00:29:17,086 --> 00:29:19,489
So, it's really interesting
footage like this
471
00:29:19,523 --> 00:29:21,025
where you have like a ball.
472
00:29:21,057 --> 00:29:22,593
In this case, there's a ball in
the stairs
473
00:29:22,625 --> 00:29:24,527
and then it suddenly
moves and rolls down the stairs.
474
00:29:24,561 --> 00:29:25,730
First of all, it's a ball,
475
00:29:25,763 --> 00:29:28,165
so that's kind of makes it
a little easier,
476
00:29:28,198 --> 00:29:29,533
'cause those do roll.
477
00:29:29,565 --> 00:29:32,135
Um, the challenge is figuring
out
478
00:29:32,169 --> 00:29:34,104
what would've kicked or got
the ball rolling.
479
00:29:34,805 --> 00:29:37,475
The dramatic part is simply
that the ball starts it all.
480
00:29:37,507 --> 00:29:39,677
Being on stairs, once it gets
going,
481
00:29:39,709 --> 00:29:41,144
it's gonna fall down the
stairs
482
00:29:41,178 --> 00:29:43,381
and that part is pretty
straightforward.
483
00:29:43,413 --> 00:29:45,482
This is a bit of a challenge.
484
00:29:45,516 --> 00:29:48,052
You can't deny that
the ball moved.
485
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:51,689
I can speculate,
I can say things like,
486
00:29:51,721 --> 00:29:53,656
"There's a little bit
of shaking in the house."
487
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:55,593
Some wind you didn't notice.
488
00:29:55,625 --> 00:29:58,128
Which is harder to believe,
'cause winds hardly move a ball.
489
00:29:58,161 --> 00:30:00,564
There's a lot of ways I can
imagine if I wanted to fool you,
490
00:30:00,596 --> 00:30:02,599
I could certainly set up ways
491
00:30:02,632 --> 00:30:04,267
that a ball would move with
nobody home.
492
00:30:04,301 --> 00:30:08,406
If the ball is made of iron and
then they have the uh...
493
00:30:08,439 --> 00:30:10,041
- Magnet.
- Magnet.
494
00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:13,110
To attract or you know,
repel that...
495
00:30:13,142 --> 00:30:16,279
- that is come different story for this.
- I see.
496
00:30:16,313 --> 00:30:17,715
So, you think if the...
497
00:30:17,748 --> 00:30:21,052
maybe
it's more trickery than
498
00:30:21,084 --> 00:30:22,019
Yeah.
499
00:30:33,396 --> 00:30:35,399
I bet
air will do a little bit.
500
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:38,669
There's no breeze
501
00:30:38,701 --> 00:30:41,238
coming through
this house that's this powerful?
502
00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:42,205
No.
503
00:30:49,212 --> 00:30:51,514
A ball
can move by itself
504
00:30:51,547 --> 00:30:55,251
maybe we could not see
the uh, force,
505
00:30:55,285 --> 00:30:56,786
for example like air.
506
00:30:56,819 --> 00:31:00,090
We cannot see the air, but we
can prove there are air there.
507
00:31:00,123 --> 00:31:01,624
We could not
see the motion,
508
00:31:01,658 --> 00:31:04,628
but we can see the results,
we can see it's moving.
509
00:31:04,661 --> 00:31:07,198
As a scientist, I don't
believe ghosts at all.
510
00:31:07,698 --> 00:31:08,833
I believe science.
511
00:31:12,268 --> 00:31:15,573
Without it being
a complete hoax,
512
00:31:15,605 --> 00:31:17,740
how would you explain
something like this?
513
00:31:17,774 --> 00:31:21,712
I know ultimately the end result
is a physics action,
514
00:31:21,745 --> 00:31:24,515
like the ball starts moving,
515
00:31:24,547 --> 00:31:28,384
so the immediate cause of that
also has to be a physics action.
516
00:31:28,418 --> 00:31:30,221
I... I do think it...
517
00:31:30,254 --> 00:31:35,392
it's not air, it's not wind, uh,
it's certainly not magnet.
518
00:31:35,424 --> 00:31:38,328
I... I think we could
check under the stairs maybe.
519
00:31:45,768 --> 00:31:47,337
There's no holes here.
520
00:31:52,276 --> 00:31:53,544
Do you wanna see what happens
521
00:31:53,576 --> 00:31:56,412
if I give it
a bit of punch up here?
522
00:31:56,446 --> 00:31:58,482
- Yeah.
- See if the ball moves maybe.
523
00:31:58,515 --> 00:31:59,684
Go ahead.
524
00:32:07,790 --> 00:32:09,159
Anything?
525
00:32:09,192 --> 00:32:11,161
Nothing,
it's not even moving.
526
00:32:11,194 --> 00:32:13,196
If you
really were there,
527
00:32:13,229 --> 00:32:16,733
I guess rule out what I would
call, "the trivial physical cases",
528
00:32:16,767 --> 00:32:19,836
and rule out the... the
cases of hoaxes,
529
00:32:19,870 --> 00:32:22,273
then you're
into this interesting realm of,
530
00:32:22,305 --> 00:32:24,174
"Okay, something physical
caused it,
531
00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:25,875
but what caused that physical?"
532
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:28,879
Most ideas of a ghost
533
00:32:28,911 --> 00:32:31,515
involve the ghost
being non-physical
534
00:32:31,547 --> 00:32:32,950
in some fundamental way.
535
00:32:32,982 --> 00:32:35,418
Any paranormal explanation
536
00:32:35,451 --> 00:32:37,520
is still going to involve
537
00:32:37,554 --> 00:32:40,423
something applying a force to
the ball.
538
00:32:41,257 --> 00:32:42,226
And so therefore,
539
00:32:42,258 --> 00:32:44,495
the thing applying
the force by definition,
540
00:32:44,527 --> 00:32:45,863
we've just made it
physical.
541
00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:48,498
So, it's just an interesting
conundrum
542
00:32:48,532 --> 00:32:51,636
that, to me, moves it
from science to detective story.
543
00:32:57,341 --> 00:32:59,911
In the years
that I've been here,
544
00:33:00,911 --> 00:33:02,779
I want to experience
some lights.
545
00:33:02,813 --> 00:33:05,182
I've seen
so many things in this house
546
00:33:05,548 --> 00:33:08,185
and with my own eyes,
547
00:33:08,852 --> 00:33:11,788
but that's what I wanna...
that's what I wanna see.
548
00:33:12,456 --> 00:33:13,757
Those lights that you saw.
549
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:16,793
We got all kinds
of just great stuff
550
00:33:16,826 --> 00:33:21,231
and just stuff that's just direct responses
and it's... it's fully intelligent.
551
00:33:21,265 --> 00:33:22,700
You know, it's not residual,
552
00:33:22,732 --> 00:33:25,401
it's intelligent stuff happening
in the house,
553
00:33:25,434 --> 00:33:27,303
but there's that
carrot that's dangling
554
00:33:27,336 --> 00:33:28,404
- Like the Holy Grail
- Those lights
555
00:33:28,438 --> 00:33:31,007
The Holy Grail of what we're
trying to capture here
556
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,909
is those... those...
the lights that Alice saw.
557
00:33:32,942 --> 00:33:33,911
Yeah.
558
00:33:37,748 --> 00:33:38,915
Over the years,
559
00:33:38,949 --> 00:33:41,451
I've experienced
one thing with lights.
560
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,755
So, I was upstairs in the
bedroom at the Mississippi house
561
00:33:45,788 --> 00:33:48,358
with the door closed, we were
doing an EVP session.
562
00:33:48,392 --> 00:33:50,228
It was me and one fellow
investigator.
563
00:33:51,728 --> 00:33:54,465
And the bottom frame
of the door
564
00:33:54,498 --> 00:33:55,967
turned bright white
565
00:33:57,433 --> 00:33:59,902
and it was
almost like a camera shutter,
566
00:33:59,936 --> 00:34:01,805
two to three flashes of light.
567
00:34:05,308 --> 00:34:07,411
I sat there, kind of, in
awe for a few minutes.
568
00:34:07,443 --> 00:34:10,647
It was not raining, there was
no thunder, the night was clear.
569
00:34:10,681 --> 00:34:13,017
I opened the door and it
never happened again.
570
00:34:13,049 --> 00:34:15,585
We luckily did capture
that on film.
571
00:34:20,357 --> 00:34:22,359
Miss Alice has had
experiences with the lights,
572
00:34:22,392 --> 00:34:24,928
the... these are the... the lights
that have scared her
573
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,631
to where she doesn't want to...
to live in this house anymore.
574
00:34:28,899 --> 00:34:33,036
I personally don't feel that's
a spirit activity or a ghost,
575
00:34:33,069 --> 00:34:34,638
I think
that's something different.
576
00:34:36,006 --> 00:34:37,507
Perhaps, extra-terrestrial.
577
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:41,812
It's something different going
on with those lights.
578
00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:46,083
There is a woman who lives
7 miles from me,
579
00:34:46,116 --> 00:34:47,051
she's an elderly lady
580
00:34:47,084 --> 00:34:49,520
and so this happened
when she was a child,
581
00:34:49,553 --> 00:34:53,656
but she said that
her house lit up in a globe.
582
00:34:53,689 --> 00:34:55,325
And she said it was brighter
than the sun,
583
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:56,661
I remember that...
that expression.
584
00:34:59,696 --> 00:35:01,598
Many years ago,
585
00:35:01,631 --> 00:35:03,600
when I lived... when I worked in
Florence,
586
00:35:03,632 --> 00:35:06,337
Alice was in and out of the
library where I worked a lot,
587
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:07,305
'cause she lived close by.
588
00:35:08,071 --> 00:35:11,375
And I was telling her about this
light that I saw
589
00:35:11,408 --> 00:35:12,976
when I was
growing up
590
00:35:13,009 --> 00:35:14,978
right down in this
community.
591
00:35:15,011 --> 00:35:17,448
And I was asleep at night
592
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,917
and I was awake, just fla...
593
00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:25,355
you know, flash and my...
my light in my bedroom
594
00:35:25,388 --> 00:35:28,925
was lighter than...
well, it was just a white light.
595
00:35:28,959 --> 00:35:31,428
A clear white brilliant light.
596
00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:33,730
Flash bulb bright.
597
00:35:33,763 --> 00:35:36,767
- Yeah, something like that.
- It's just super, super bright.
598
00:35:36,799 --> 00:35:39,736
The trees and the house
on the hill and everything
599
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:41,071
Brilliant, brilliant
600
00:35:41,103 --> 00:35:43,040
Was just brilliant,
brilliant light.
601
00:35:43,707 --> 00:35:45,075
It just faded away.
602
00:35:45,107 --> 00:35:47,077
And I just went back to bed
and went back to sleep.
603
00:35:47,977 --> 00:35:50,447
You know, it's just... there's
too much space
604
00:35:51,515 --> 00:35:52,817
to be the only
ones here.
605
00:35:54,584 --> 00:35:56,819
She didn't know
what that is in her house
606
00:35:56,852 --> 00:35:58,922
and I don't know what
that was at my house.
607
00:36:00,457 --> 00:36:02,526
It's strange, I... you know,
608
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,828
it... it's really strange.
609
00:36:07,564 --> 00:36:09,665
The woman that I spoke
to you about Alice Jackson.
610
00:36:09,698 --> 00:36:10,700
Uh-huh, yes, yeah.
611
00:36:10,734 --> 00:36:14,036
Uh, she'd said that
in her bedroom...
612
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:19,042
there was a glowing light
and then disappeared.
613
00:36:19,075 --> 00:36:20,544
In... in your opinion,
614
00:36:20,576 --> 00:36:23,479
is there anything
in terms of energy, science,
615
00:36:23,513 --> 00:36:28,652
things that are happening that could
create an illuminated ball of light.
616
00:36:28,685 --> 00:36:31,188
A light cannot happen
spontaneously,
617
00:36:31,221 --> 00:36:35,059
it has to have
origin to have this light.
618
00:36:35,725 --> 00:36:37,728
If we have like other light,
619
00:36:37,761 --> 00:36:40,831
maybe reflection
from window or from other place,
620
00:36:40,864 --> 00:36:42,466
it's possible
to have that.
621
00:36:42,498 --> 00:36:46,002
Or they have other energy
transfer to become light.
622
00:36:46,035 --> 00:36:49,839
Like uh, thermal energy,
electric energy,
623
00:36:49,872 --> 00:36:51,974
so it's kind of
a complicated question
624
00:36:52,007 --> 00:36:53,576
to... to
be answered simply.
625
00:36:55,511 --> 00:36:58,015
There's a phenomenon in
nature called "St. Elmo's fire",
626
00:36:58,047 --> 00:37:01,551
which is a static electricity
discharge.
627
00:37:01,585 --> 00:37:03,954
If you have a build-up of static
electricity for some reason,
628
00:37:03,986 --> 00:37:05,187
yeah, it can cause a glow.
629
00:37:05,221 --> 00:37:08,524
Uh, especially if it has some
kind of medium to act on it.
630
00:37:08,558 --> 00:37:10,960
Sometimes, all it takes
is just dust in the air.
631
00:37:11,995 --> 00:37:14,698
If it were a ball of lightning
she was seeing in her house,
632
00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:16,132
she wouldn't have to ask,
633
00:37:16,165 --> 00:37:17,267
because it would tear
something up,
634
00:37:17,301 --> 00:37:19,904
because this is a lot of
energy, that's very destructive.
635
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:23,940
Strange lights are
often the easiest
636
00:37:23,973 --> 00:37:25,475
to offer different
explanations to
637
00:37:25,509 --> 00:37:27,811
of all physics
phenomenon.
638
00:37:27,843 --> 00:37:30,046
Light is the most flexible
in a weird way.
639
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,016
The challenge is often
recreating them
640
00:37:33,049 --> 00:37:35,719
or figuring out
exactly what did it, um,
641
00:37:35,752 --> 00:37:37,855
at a level that would make
someone confident
642
00:37:37,888 --> 00:37:39,989
that it really was
just a physics effect.
643
00:37:42,993 --> 00:37:45,863
If I knew that it was... had a
natural explanation,
644
00:37:45,895 --> 00:37:48,832
you know like, you know,
I've heard now various theories
645
00:37:48,864 --> 00:37:50,200
about what
could cause lights
646
00:37:50,232 --> 00:37:52,535
and if somebody definitively
said,
647
00:37:52,569 --> 00:37:55,739
"Oh, it's the minerals
and salt, something, you know,
648
00:37:55,772 --> 00:37:57,574
the natural
that's causing the lights."
649
00:37:57,607 --> 00:37:59,543
Then I would
immediately not be afraid.
650
00:37:59,576 --> 00:38:02,546
But uh, since that hasn't
happened,
651
00:38:02,578 --> 00:38:04,580
it might be UFO stuff,
652
00:38:04,614 --> 00:38:07,284
it might be you know, some sort
of inter-dimensional stuff
653
00:38:07,317 --> 00:38:11,154
that was from some civilization
that was more advanced than we are.
654
00:38:11,187 --> 00:38:12,790
And so, in the beginning,
655
00:38:13,823 --> 00:38:17,560
you thought they were
extra-terrestrial, UFOs?
656
00:38:17,593 --> 00:38:18,928
It... it crossed my mind.
657
00:38:18,962 --> 00:38:20,163
It really did cross my mind,
658
00:38:20,196 --> 00:38:21,797
that was
the very first thing I thought.
659
00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:25,902
I have never seen anything that I can
reconcile this with in my history, you know,
660
00:38:25,935 --> 00:38:27,136
reading or anything
661
00:38:27,171 --> 00:38:29,939
except maybe all the stuff that
I had heard about UFO stuff.
662
00:38:29,973 --> 00:38:31,976
You know, beams of light
and people disappearing.
663
00:38:45,055 --> 00:38:50,227
My name's Calvin Parker
and I was abducted in 1973.
664
00:38:50,259 --> 00:38:52,062
October, 1973.
665
00:38:53,029 --> 00:38:55,766
It was just over here, uh,
666
00:38:55,799 --> 00:38:58,869
length of a football field and
back that way.
667
00:38:59,736 --> 00:39:01,638
And that's where it sat down
668
00:39:01,671 --> 00:39:04,841
and when it originally sat down
on a space in the river.
669
00:39:04,873 --> 00:39:07,745
And I could see the blue lights
coming over my shoulder.
670
00:39:08,678 --> 00:39:11,281
When they stopped
and it opened up
671
00:39:11,314 --> 00:39:13,817
and then
a real bright light come out.
672
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:17,787
Three robot-looking
creatures came out.
673
00:39:18,254 --> 00:39:20,357
Two of 'em got hold of my sail.
674
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:23,060
Took us aboard,
gave us an examination.
675
00:39:24,127 --> 00:39:28,931
I didn't know what a UFO was or
an alien was till this happened.
676
00:39:28,964 --> 00:39:31,267
And I still don't know
that it was aliens.
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