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Five years ago I was...
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convicted of a dreadful crime
that I did not commit.
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Don't touch me!
The whole town's going to know!
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You're saying that there's no way...
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..that Matthew Taylor
could have been his biological son.
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'You spread lies which grew, '
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and ultimately
landed Sally Wright in the dock
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and you in the witness box.
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They were together.
I still believe that.
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You got the job.
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I let them wear me down,
I let them convince me.
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But wasn't our fault.
We never asked for any of this.
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You seem very concerned about her
all of a sudden.
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But what about us?
What about your own step daughter?
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Don't throw away the past.
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I was with a probationer,
a lad called Aaron Holmes.
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And he'll confirm that?
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He's not yours. He never was.
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You come near Sam
or my family again,
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I will destroy you!
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A few weeks ago,
we had a bust-up over a bill.
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He's come in tonight,
I've lost my temper...
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we've had a bit of a ding-dong,
that's it, really.
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So we have two other witnesses
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who say it was a completely
unprovoked attack by him.
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Well, obviously,
they didn't see the whole thing
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because that's not what happened.
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Look, like I said,
I'm happy to leave it there.
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So, are you going to tell him?
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Sam?
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Cos this is scary, Sal.
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Doesn't matter
if the back door was unlocked,
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to walk in to someone else's house
and attack them...
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Right, yeah...
So you either tell him,
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and get her to back the fuck off,
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or we go to the police.
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OK.
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Are you saying he hasn't been back
at all in the last few hours?
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No.
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So, any idea why he would have
done this?
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Mrs Taylor? No.
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No idea
why he walks out of your house,
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just a few hours after
we've interviewed him
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about Matthew's paternity,
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and seeks out
and assaults a local publican?
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No.
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'Hi, this is Sam Wright.
Please leave a message.'
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Hey, Sam, it's me.
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Can we meet?
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You've done your duty as a mate.
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We both have.
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She needs to go.
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Today.
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OK. I am off.
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Have a good one.
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You too. And, Beth?
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Try and have a normal day today,
please.
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Er... Yeah, Mum,
I'd love to have normal day.
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It's hard when you have the amount
of shit in your head that I do.
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Most of it put there by you!
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Hi. Oh, hi.
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Oh.
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Yeah. Well, erm...
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It's wooden floors so...
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Oh, Sal, I'm so sorry. It's OK.
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I mean, you don't have to go today.
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Jen, honestly, it's fine.
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Yeah, all very odd.
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My guess is it was about
what we think it was.
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What, that Gary Walker
is Matthew's father?
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And that he's never told his missus.
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Which obviously offers up some
interesting possible motives
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for Walker too.
Cos a lad turning up on the doorstep
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of your marital home one day
and saying he's your long lost son,
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it's not exactly Davina McCall
territory, is it?
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Has he got any form?
First thing I checked,
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for a DNA match against Matty
primarily,
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but no, sorry, nothing on PNC.
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OK, well, pull him in anyway.
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If you're right and he never
told his missus, we can use that.
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Right, the gifts and presents
found in Matthew's bedroom.
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These were all originally ascribed
to Sally Wright.
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She always said she bought him
the books but nothing else,
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so who was the rest
of the stuff from?
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Obviously, a trawl was done
in the first investigation
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to see if the item's purchaser
could be identified,
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but give it another sweep, Mia,
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see what was missed. Guv.
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Er, Sam Wright's alibi,
where are we on that?
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So, too long ago for any CCTV of
his car being where he says it was,
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which was heading
to see Aaron Holmes,
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and unfortunately, there's no
phone mast records either.
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So it's going to be down to Holmes
confirming
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he was definitely with him.
Basically, yeah,
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I'm trying to arrange a time
to see Aaron later this week.
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Good stuff.
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Lastly, John Taylor is still AWOL.
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I want him found, please.
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Oh, my God, Sal. That is awful.
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Yeah, and so they basically
asked me to leave because of her.
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So can you speak to her?
Tell her to calm down,
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reassure her that I'm not back here
to "steal her man"?
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For what it's worth,
and this is absolutely not
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any kind of an excuse, but...
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she is under a lot of pressure
at the moment.
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I mean, Beth's not an easy child,
never has been,
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and things have seriously...
flared up again the last few months.
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This re-trial...
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..seems to have really affected her
and just, erm,
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well, it's caused Karen
a huge amount of worry and...
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As I say, I'm not excusing
her behaviour at all,
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I'm... I'm just saying,
it's very out of character.
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Sure.
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Just so you know, actually,
you might want to tell her this.
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Jen and Alf
wanted to call the police.
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And I persuaded them not to.
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Right. Yeah. Wow.
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Well, on her behalf, thank you.
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PHONE CHIMES Oh, sorry.
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Er... I've got to go.
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Right.
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Is there anything I can do, Sal?
Oh, don't worry about me,
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I've got unlimited hot water
between six and eight.
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I'm serious.
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Yeah, well, what do you think, Sam?
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Turn back time
so it's me you're coming back to,
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to our lovely family home?
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I'm all right.
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They said you were like a mad man.
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Broke a bottle, had to be stopped
from stabbing him wi' it.
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You know, even... even when you were
at your most troubled, John,
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I stayed with you, because I thought
that deep down, you were a good man.
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Decent, loving.
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Kind.
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Well, maybe I never really knew you.
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So, let me tell you where we are,
Gary.
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We think that John Taylor's
assault on you
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was almost certainly connected
to the fact that Matthew Taylor...
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was your son.
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HE SCOFFS No,
that's... Well, I...
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I don't know
where you've got that from,
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but that's not true. No-one...
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..not your wife...
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..not your kids,
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need know what we've discussed
here today,
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as long as we feel
you're being straight with us.
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So I'm going to ask you again.
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Was Matthew Taylor your son?
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No, he wasn't.
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This is a murder investigation,
Gary.
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Which means if he was your son,
it's pertinent to our inquiry
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and that means we'll do everything
in our power to prove that.
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We will pull... your house apart.
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We will pull your life apart,
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and every single person in this town
will end up knowing why.
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But if you cooperate,
we will do our best
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to keep it contained.
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Was he your son?
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Ow!
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Don't say anything, OK?
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What was that all about?
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Nothing. Was that Bethany Moss?
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I actually only found out
a few months before Matty died.
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And how did you find out?
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Maria told me.
Just came in the pub one day.
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Sorry, just going back,
the original relationship with her,
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that was a serious thing, or...?
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A few weeks.
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A month at the most.
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And you were both married
at that time?
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Her husband was away a lot,
he was in the army.
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We had two little'uns
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so my missus would often go and stay
at her mum's.
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It was the only time I ever...
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It's not who I am.
OK, so scroll forward 16 years
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and Maria walks in to your pub
and...?
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Apparently, John had found out
and, God knows why, told the boy.
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So she felt that she had to tell me.
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And I was, erm... in shock.
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Obviously, I wanted to be
decent about it all,
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to do the right thing by the boy,
whatever that was,
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but I was also happily married.
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I knew that if I told her the truth,
it would have messed all that up.
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And what happened then?
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Then Matty came by one night,
just as I was locking up.
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And thank God Alison was away
on a university trip with our eldest
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but... it was... awful.
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Why awful?
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This was my boy.
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And he was so upset and confused
and...
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Just wanted to wrap my arms
around him.
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Say sorry.
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What did he want?
I think he was as confused as me.
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I mean, his dad had tried
to stop him seeing me.
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Matthew told you that? Yeah.
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For a few weeks,
I tried to meet up with him,
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to talk to him,
help him through it all.
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Then it all got too much for me.
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Alison started to ask questions
cos I kept disappearing.
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So I'm ashamed to say I told him
that I couldn't see him any more.
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And how did he take that?
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Better than I thought.
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I told him that his real dad
was the man that had raised
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and loved him for 16 years.
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Not me.
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OK.
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One last question, Gary.
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Where were you
on the day your son was murdered?
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She said you gave her a dead arm.
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Well, she was in my way,
I asked her to move and she didn't,
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so I pushed past her.
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So she's lying, then?
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It happens.
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I had a look at your report card,
Beth,
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it's not the first incident like
this in the last few months, is it?
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And yet sitting here now, you don't
seem like that sort of girl to me,
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not really.
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Look, sometimes when we lash out
about things,
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it's actually because
we're upset about something else.
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What I'm saying is, I can arrange
for you to speak with someone
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from pastoral support, if you like.
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I'm fine. Really?
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Yeah.
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We done?
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Sure.
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How long till he's sober?
I think we can write off tonight.
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Right, first thing, then.
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In the meantime, let's start
chasing down Walker's alibi,
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and let's get him printed. OK.
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'I've Beth in tears upstairs.'
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Why? Your ex.
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What d'you mean "my ex"?
She threatened her at school today,
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apparently, with expulsion.
What?!
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Some kid lied that Beth
had tried to hurt her.
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And we're sure
it couldn't be Beth lying?
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Oh, here we go.
Listen, I'm just saying...
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You're always defending her.
Er, she does have a bit of history
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on that front. And of course,
this is what she wants,
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you and I at each other's throats.
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What does that mean?
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She wants to break up
our family, Sam,
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so she can get you back,
she's obsessed with us.
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Says the woman who broke into
her house and attacked her.
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Well, that was stupid...
It was more than fucking stupid,
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Karen, it's actually scary.
You stood in front of me yesterday
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and lied, very convincingly,
250
00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:50,279
about bloody Sal
coming to the front door.
251
00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,840
Look, look, we shouldn't be rowing.
252
00:14:59,879 --> 00:15:02,799
This is a really difficult situation
for both of us.
253
00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:06,120
But we can get through it, Sam,
I know we can,
254
00:15:06,159 --> 00:15:09,360
if we just agree
to be honest with each other.
255
00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,919
Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
256
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No more lies, from either of us.
257
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I'd done two tours in Kosovo.
258
00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,759
When I came back from the second...
259
00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,159
I wasn't in a good place.
260
00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,960
I was drinking too much,
261
00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,039
me and Maz were rowing
all the time.
262
00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,759
So when I left
for a third tour...
263
00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,919
..I think she just needed
someone to talk to, really.
264
00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,759
Cut to 16 years later...
265
00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,080
..I'm at the doc's
for a check-up on a cyst.
266
00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:34,480
Yeah...
267
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,440
I learned I've been
infertile all my life.
268
00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,240
Which wasn't so good...
269
00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:43,720
to find out everything you thought
you knew about your family
270
00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:45,159
was a lie.
271
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,320
Anyway...
272
00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,320
she said the relationship
had been brief.
273
00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,720
A few weeks at the most.
274
00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,960
She also swore she'd never told
Walker that Matty was his, so...
275
00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,360
really, if we kept it secret,
it was like it never happened.
276
00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:03,000
Which is easier to say than do.
277
00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:04,960
Cos I was angry.
278
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,920
With her, obviously,
with Walker, myself...
279
00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,160
..maybe even with Matty.
280
00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,519
And it all came
at the absolute worst time.
281
00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:19,519
Me and him
had started arguing a lot.
282
00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:23,559
He was going through a phase,
I suppose,
283
00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,000
trying to work out who he was.
And then one day...
284
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000
..after a particularly nasty row...
285
00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:36,240
..I told him that he wasn't mine.
286
00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:41,279
Which is without question
the worst thing I've ever done.
287
00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:15,759
I mean, the second I said it I...
288
00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,359
wished I could've taken it back,
but I couldn't.
289
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,240
Did he get angry with you?
With both of us.
290
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,119
And how did you respond?
291
00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:28,480
Just... tried to calm him down,
I suppose.
292
00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:30,359
I mean...
293
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,400
I apologised repeatedly
for telling him but...
294
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,119
I was pissed
and in pieces myself,
295
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,440
I wasn't best placed
to deal with it all.
296
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,000
Did it ever get physical? No.
297
00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,680
Even though, as you said,
you were both angry?
298
00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:47,279
Before I said it, I was angry.
299
00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,000
After, I was just ashamed.
300
00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:52,519
Over the next few days...
301
00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:55,519
..things seemed to calm down a bit.
302
00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:57,359
Talked about it all more.
303
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,640
Rationally, all three of us.
304
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,480
And in the end,
he said he wanted to meet him.
305
00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:06,599
How did that make you feel?
Well, I'd created the situation,
306
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,559
so I wasn't going to stop him
doing what he felt
307
00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:10,319
he needed to do at that point.
308
00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:16,119
So why d'you think that Matty
might have told Gary Walker
309
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,160
that you did try to stop him going?
310
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,960
He's lying, I never stopped him.
311
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,000
D'you know how Walker reacted?
He wasn't interested, apparently.
312
00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:30,759
Saw Matt maybe a couple of times and
then basically told him to fuck off.
313
00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,559
How did Matty take that?
He got pretty cross.
314
00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:35,759
And then told me later
that he threatened him.
315
00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,799
Threatened him how?
Telling his wife who he was.
316
00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:42,519
And you never thought
to mention that before?
317
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,720
Well, we all thought we knew
who'd done it by then, didn't we?
318
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,696
John Taylor always said he was
working at the time of the murder,
319
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,519
and his foreman confirmed that,
but, I just...
320
00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,279
Double check it, yeah?
Yeah, will do.
321
00:19:57,319 --> 00:19:59,039
Oh, boss? Yeah?
322
00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:01,640
A message from Sally Wright to call.
OK.
323
00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:09,480
Back in a bit.
324
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,400
So this is dated just four months
before Matthew's murder.
325
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,279
And I'm guessing
it got missed originally
326
00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,319
because it's in Beth's files
and not Matty's
327
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,000
and there was no obvious connection
between the two,
328
00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:38,279
but, my God,
it should have been spotted.
329
00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:41,240
So how old would Beth
have been at the time?
330
00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:42,799
14?
331
00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:46,200
Sorry, but are you suggesting
that a 14-year-old...?
332
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,400
Oh, look,
I'm not suggesting anything,
333
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,880
I just wanted to give you
the information. OK.
334
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,240
You will see from the file,
Beth Moss had a lot
335
00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:57,000
of pastoral input in the months,
years after this.
336
00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:59,200
She's got a lot of behavioural
issues.
337
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,400
Some of the notes suggest
her mum was a piece of work too.
338
00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:06,960
Karen Moss.
339
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,559
I think it said in the original file
340
00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:10,920
that she was actually
Matthew's social worker.
341
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,799
Really? Yeah.
342
00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,480
Wow.
343
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,480
OK, er...
I'll look into all this,
344
00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:21,319
and I'll try and track down
the teacher,
345
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,000
see if he can remember anything.
OK.
346
00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:26,559
And thank you for coming over,
it make a real difference
347
00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,799
having a human connection
to the case, I appreciate it.
348
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,599
So... how are you doing?
349
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,599
Hm.
350
00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:42,000
It's a journey.
351
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:45,920
Well, look, if you ever fancy
a cry-off or...
352
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,759
tragedy top trumps,
give me a shout,
353
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,960
we could grab a pizza maybe.
I mean,
354
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,559
not as a... you know... just as...
Thank you.
355
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,480
I probably need to get my head
into a slightly better place
356
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:00,480
to be even half decent company,
357
00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:02,959
but when I feel a bit more sorted,
yeah, I'd really like that.
358
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,039
Right, great. Erm...
359
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,680
I'll, er, I'll call you on this.
Yeah.
360
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,680
Thanks, Sally.
361
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,680
Suzy.
'We've checked Walkers fingerprints
362
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,559
'against the bottle
that killed Matty.'
363
00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,039
And? We've got a match.
364
00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:31,200
I'll be right there.
365
00:22:34,879 --> 00:22:37,919
I sell Buckworth,
I often stack the shelves myself
366
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,936
so if my prints were on the bottle
that killed him,
367
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,599
all it means is... is that someone
bought it from my pub.
368
00:22:42,639 --> 00:22:44,559
And by "someone" you mean?
Anyone! Matthew?
369
00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:46,559
Look, how would I know?
I've already said,
370
00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:48,200
I was in London on the day
that he died.
371
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,879
Yeah, we're still checking
your alibi,
372
00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:52,216
but I want to go back over
something you told us yesterday.
373
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,559
When you told Matthew
you couldn't see him anymore,
374
00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:56,760
you said he was fine with that?
Yes.
375
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,319
I mean, he was upset, of course,
but he said that he understood.
376
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,879
So he didn't get angry with you?
No.
377
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:03,639
Didn't threaten you at all? No!
378
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Didn't threaten to tell your wife
who he was?
379
00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:08,680
No. We have evidence
to suggest that he did.
380
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200
Well, he didn't. Look, he...
He didn't!
381
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,399
Look,
I have let the boy down appallingly,
382
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,200
I've had endless sleepless nights
wondering if my behaviour
383
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,399
in any way
contributed to how his life ended,
384
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,639
but I swear, I didn't kill him!
385
00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:26,440
Yeah, yeah, I can hold,
no problem.
386
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,680
And I wondered if I could ask you
about a gift card purchase
387
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,480
made in a Keswick shop in 2015.
388
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,280
Yeah, that's right.
389
00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:38,520
So we understand you taught in
St Luke's school in Keswick in 2015,
390
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,575
and we just wanted to ask
if we could have a brief chat
391
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,280
with you at some point...
Hello, there.
392
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:44,079
Yeah, Mr Walker
said he was in London,
393
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,040
in a meeting with your brewery,
however, so far,
394
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:48,240
he's been unable to find
any emails confirming that.
395
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,176
So I was just wondering
if there was any other way
396
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,559
of confirming his presence there?
Any internal mails...
397
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,960
..or old desk diaries,
that kind of thing.
398
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,520
I'm sorry, can I call you back
in two minutes?
399
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,680
Right, thanks, bye.
400
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,040
I'm so sorry,
it was a genuine mistake,
401
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,559
I had two guys
with the surname Taylor.
402
00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:13,919
working on that job.
John Taylor, obviously...
403
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,800
..but also a Thomas Taylor.
404
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,319
And looking back at it,
on that specific day,
405
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,879
what I thought then was
a J, for John...
406
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:28,599
I now think... might
be a T. You think?
407
00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,639
It is. Right, so...
408
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,559
you can actually provide
no definite alibi
409
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:37,480
for John Taylor
on the day of the murder?
410
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,159
Well, when you asked first time
round, he wasn't a suspect, so...
411
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,960
I never really double checked.
412
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,639
But what I do know,
is he adored that boy.
413
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,720
And I can't believe for a minute
414
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,919
he would ever have hurt
a hair on his head.
415
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:12,800
Where were you actually?
Around town.
416
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,359
After I ran out of money,
417
00:25:15,399 --> 00:25:18,040
wherever I've thought
I could scrounge a can.
418
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:19,879
Were you ever in Clement Park?
419
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760
Yes. Which we know
from the original investigation,
420
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,559
Matty was seen walking through,
just an hour
421
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,280
before his estimated time of death.
422
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,000
So did you see him? Yes.
423
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,159
Did you talk to him?
424
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:38,760
Yes.
425
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,079
Did you row?
426
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Yes. Did you then follow him?
427
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,720
Why don't you just ask me?
Did I kill him?
428
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,879
Did you?
429
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,319
Well, it was my defect that meant
we couldn't have a child.
430
00:25:58,399 --> 00:26:01,280
My drinking that caused
Maria's infidelity.
431
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,359
My weakness that made me
tell Matty he wasn't my boy.
432
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,559
Now I don't know how exactly
all that led to his death...
433
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,359
..but I'm pretty sure in some way
it did.
434
00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:18,599
So, no, I didn't follow him,
435
00:26:18,639 --> 00:26:21,440
and I never laid a hand
on him that day.
436
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,839
But, yeah, I think in some way,
with my failings...
437
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,200
..I did kill him.
438
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,639
So you just describe a bullying
incident involving Matty and Beth,
439
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,839
do you remember
any more detail, or...?
440
00:26:34,879 --> 00:26:39,760
Er, it was to do with him
having stayed at her house once.
441
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,399
Her mum was a duty social worker.
Er, this was Karen Moss?
442
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,200
Mm-hm, and she'd had him
stay over for a couple of nights
443
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,839
after he'd had a row with his dad.
444
00:26:48,879 --> 00:26:50,680
From what I could glean from him,
445
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,079
he'd then seen Beth talking to some
friends at school about it.
446
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,319
OK, and he didn't like that?
447
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,800
I think basically
he felt that Beth had seen him
448
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:02,000
at his most vulnerable,
so, no, he didn't like it at all.
449
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,280
And Matty Taylor was not a boy
you wanted to cross.
450
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,639
He was whip smart, super articulate,
and he could be cruel,
451
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,639
verbally, I mean.
452
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,879
Very cruel. Right.
453
00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:15,639
And did you get the impression
this was an isolated incident
454
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,919
or do you think that...?
Well, they were both
455
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,919
pretty reluctant to discuss it,
particularly her.
456
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960
But if I had to put money on it,
I would say no,
457
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,639
no, it wasn't.
458
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,000
Loads on the school system
about Bethany Moss
459
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,760
over the last five years.
460
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,520
Depression issues, anxiety issues,
and then I found this.
461
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:39,919
On the 8th June 2015,
just two days before Matty's murder,
462
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,639
she's admitted to St Mary's General,
having taken,
463
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,040
an accidental overdose
of her mum's codeine.
464
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,240
Accidental?
Her mum told the hospital
465
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,520
she'd thought they were
over-the-counter herbal pills
466
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,159
she sometimes gave her for stress.
And how many did she take?
467
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,359
Six. Who takes six stress pills?
468
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:57,760
Well, the notes say on previous
occasions she'd taken two.
469
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,639
Her mum told the hospital that
on this occasion she'd taken four,
470
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,159
then got confused
and then taken another two.
471
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,480
MUTTERING Yeah, me neither.
472
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,480
Which got me thinking.
473
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,480
If that was my kid, and I thought
Matty Taylor's bullying
474
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,200
was to blame for
a suicide attempt...
475
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,815
Particularly when she'd given
the lad a bed for a couple of nights
476
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,159
just a few months prior.
OK, great work.
477
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,680
OK, I think we need a chat with Mum.
Yeah.
478
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,839
And you never heard of any bullying
incident involving Matthew Taylor?
479
00:28:25,879 --> 00:28:27,720
No, sorry.
480
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,440
And Bethany would say the same,
would she, if we asked her?
481
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,599
Of course.
482
00:28:32,639 --> 00:28:35,000
So... would you tell us,
483
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,879
if you don't mind,
about the incident
484
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,960
that led you to taking your daughter
to St Mary's General,
485
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,280
two days before Matthew died?
486
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,879
Er, so, I'd been taking codeine
for some back pain I'd been having,
487
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,839
and I'd very stupidly
put the blister of pills
488
00:28:52,879 --> 00:28:54,599
in the same cupboard
as some herbal pills
489
00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:56,879
I sometimes gave Beth for stress.
490
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,440
She'd had a bad day at school,
491
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,319
and before I got home from work,
492
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,680
she'd gone to the cupboard,
493
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,240
got the wrong pills out,
and taken a couple.
494
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,520
She was absolutely fine, I just took
her to hospital as a precaution.
495
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,240
Right.
496
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800
According to the hospital notes,
497
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,760
she took six codeine tablets
498
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,079
totalling 180 milligrams.
499
00:29:25,159 --> 00:29:28,240
Which is a potentially
fatal dose for a child.
500
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,879
Mm.
501
00:29:33,879 --> 00:29:36,079
We were very lucky.
502
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,680
So the bad day that she'd had,
what was that about?
503
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,159
Oh, God, I don't remember.
504
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,559
Really?
505
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,760
Well, she's quite an anxious child
so...
506
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,559
So it was nothing
to do with Matthew Taylor?
507
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,919
No.
He hadn't continued to bully her?
508
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,200
No, she never mentioned
anything like that to me.
509
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,000
If a lad had done that to my child,
bullied her to the point
510
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,200
of taking an overdose...
There wasn't an overdose.
511
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,855
Especially a kid
I'd let in to my own home...
512
00:30:08,879 --> 00:30:11,879
It wasn't an overdose.
..I don't know what I might do.
513
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:16,760
I don't know,
just something suggesting
514
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,159
that both Karen and Beth
are now suspects.
515
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,839
I can't do that, Sally! Why not?
516
00:30:21,879 --> 00:30:24,319
Because I just...
I can't just make shit up.
517
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:25,960
But you're a journalist.
518
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,520
Funny. No, come on,
519
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,760
you saw what the tabloids
wrote about me.
520
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,359
Well, exactly, it'd be a bit ironic
521
00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:36,040
if we now started to publish
random, wild theories,
522
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,520
particularly about a school kid.
Oh, she's 19.
523
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,720
Sal...
All I'm asking you to do, Jen,
524
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,456
is put their names out there and see
what comes back from your readers,
525
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,159
and that's exactly
what you did with me...
526
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,520
Even if I agreed with you,
that is not how you do things!
527
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,040
You owe me, Jenny!
528
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,919
You owe me.
529
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,879
In fact, this whole fucking town
owes me.
530
00:30:54,919 --> 00:30:57,919
Sal, what you went through,
531
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,359
that anger you must feel,
every day, for what you lost...
532
00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:02,680
I didn't lose any thing!
533
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,919
I lost nothing!
534
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,200
It was taken away from me,
it was fucking...
535
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,359
stolen from me!
536
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:14,800
I completely get it, OK.
But this?
537
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,839
This is not the way forward.
538
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,119
This is not going to make you
feel any better.
539
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Then what is then, Jen?!
540
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,040
I mean it.
541
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,240
You need to be honest with me,
Karen, you really do.
542
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,960
He had been so horrible to her.
543
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,280
For nearly four months,
she told me afterwards.
544
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,000
And for no reason.
545
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,359
He thought she'd talked about
the nights he'd spent here
546
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:49,839
but she hadn't.
547
00:31:49,879 --> 00:31:52,480
And it didn't matter how many times
she told him that she hadn't,
548
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,720
he still went at her. Every day.
549
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,760
For 16 weeks solid,
he made her life a complete misery.
550
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,760
And I came home late from work
one day
551
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,520
and found her lying on her bed,
half unconscious.
552
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,879
And at the hospital,
she told me...
553
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:16,240
that it was an accident,
but I knew it wasn't.
554
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040
And then the next morning,
she finally told me...
555
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,480
what Matty had be subjecting her to.
556
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,079
The next day, I left her with my mum
557
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,800
and I went to speak to him
at his house.
558
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,000
But he wasn't there,
it was just his mum.
559
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,399
And you spoke to her?
I did, but I...
560
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,639
I said it was work related,
I just wanted a general catch-up.
561
00:32:45,639 --> 00:32:46,639
And then I left.
562
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,159
And that's all that happened,
I promise.
563
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,520
I don't believe you.
564
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,440
I promise.
565
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960
You need to tell me the truth,
Karen, now,
566
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,159
or I swear I'm walking
out that fucking door
567
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,359
and you'll never see me again.
568
00:33:17,639 --> 00:33:20,599
On my way back from his mum's,
I saw him in the street.
569
00:33:20,639 --> 00:33:23,879
And? And I wanted to walk past.
570
00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:28,240
Because by this point, I'd realised
that what I was doing was wrong,
571
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,440
and it could cost me my job,
572
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,879
so I went to walk past
but then he saw me,
573
00:33:32,919 --> 00:33:36,480
and it was him who stopped, and it
was him who started shouting at me,
574
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,240
drunk, and saying stuff about Beth,
575
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,720
laughing about
what a "fat, ugly pig" she was
576
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,040
and something inside me just snapped
577
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,800
and I, I... I lost it a bit,
I admit that.
578
00:33:50,639 --> 00:33:54,520
And so I crossed over
and I shouted right back at him.
579
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,720
I might even have grabbed him,
I can't remember,
580
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200
it was all a bit of a blur, and...
but, but, then I realised
581
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,800
that I was being very stupid,
582
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:08,120
and I turned and walked away.
And that really is it.
583
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,680
And you didn't follow him?
Absolutely not.
584
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,879
OK.
585
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:19,640
You have to tell the police, Karen.
586
00:34:20,919 --> 00:34:23,479
What?
You have to tell the police.
587
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,439
I'm not telling the police.
If you grabbed hold of him,
588
00:34:28,479 --> 00:34:31,160
if you had any contact
with him at all,
589
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,120
they might have found some stuff
on his body
590
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,439
that can connect you to him.
Hairs, fibres, whatever.
591
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:44,839
So... you need to tell them
what actually happened.
592
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,240
Because if they find
all this out for themselves,
593
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,720
I mean, they could come
to all the wrong conclusions.
594
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,080
No.
595
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,359
You have to tell them, love,
you have to.
596
00:35:03,279 --> 00:35:05,000
There you go. Lovely, thanks.
597
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,040
Have a good day.
598
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,639
Hello. 'Hey, Sally.
599
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:20,639
'Just wondering why
you didn't mention...'
600
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,839
Bethany's mother
is with your ex-husband?
601
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520
Because I didn't think
that was relevant. 'Right.'
602
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,719
'But now you mention it,
I'm sorry,
603
00:35:30,759 --> 00:35:32,960
'yes, maybe I should have.' OK.
604
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,839
'Maybe, let me be the judge
of what is or isn't relevant.'
605
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080
Bye, Sally.
606
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,480
Hey.
607
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,880
It was never meant to end
like it did.
608
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,319
And how was it meant to end?
609
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,960
Was there really nothing
going on between you, ever?
610
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,920
No, Anna, never.
611
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,360
Never.
612
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,600
The thing is, I did genuinely
believe there was.
613
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,920
That's... that's the only reason
I made the kiss up.
614
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,560
To get you sacked so it would stop.
615
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,199
And then he was killed.
616
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,239
And everything suddenly moved
so fast.
617
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,319
So, I am...
618
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,520
..sorry.
619
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,319
But least one of us is free now.
620
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,880
Hiya, Dave, everything OK?
Yeah, sorry to call so late, boss.
621
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,360
But Mills Brewery have forwarded
four emails
622
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,639
confirming Gary Walker
arrived for a meeting
623
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:47,279
in their Hammersmith office
at 4pm on the day of the murder.
624
00:37:47,319 --> 00:37:49,119
Now, the meeting lasts an hour,
625
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,480
and it's approximately five hours
door to door
626
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,880
back to the murder scene.
627
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,080
Right,
so he's completely in the clear.
628
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,239
Yeah, looks like it.
629
00:37:57,279 --> 00:37:59,239
All right,
thanks for letting me know, mate.
630
00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:01,159
All right, bye.
631
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,080
Right, so what I don't understand
632
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,279
is how can a kid
with those kind of issues
633
00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:23,480
not appear on the radar
of social services?
634
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,839
Or at the very least
an ed pysch department?
635
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,040
I don't know,
but Karen Moss would have had access
636
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,400
to her daughter's records
in her professional capacity.
637
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,360
What, you think she could have
deleted them?
638
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,360
Why not, if they suggested some
sort of trail back to Matty Taylor?
639
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,319
Er, sorry to interrupt, Boss.
640
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Sam Wright's downstairs,
says he needs to speak to you.
641
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,080
Cheers.
642
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,679
Right, see you in a bit.
643
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,839
Hey. Hi, Sam Wright.
644
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,759
DCI Braithwaite. Thanks, Grace.
645
00:39:52,799 --> 00:39:54,960
Do you want to, er... Yeah.
646
00:39:57,279 --> 00:39:59,920
OK, I know...
647
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:04,159
Unequivocally, I know that my
fiancee would never hurt a fly.
648
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,560
But, er...
649
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,199
she's not been
entirely honest with you.
650
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,000
For very understandable reasons,
651
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239
she thinks you would put two and two
together and make five.
652
00:40:16,279 --> 00:40:18,080
But I think
she's wrong to think that.
653
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,679
So after a long discussion
with her...
654
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,600
and she's across all of this...
655
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,600
..I am here to tell you the truth.
656
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,880
So, just to confirm,
657
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,759
as per your original
witness statement, Mr Holmes,
658
00:40:45,799 --> 00:40:50,960
approximately 5:35 to 5:50,
659
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,319
Mr Wright was with you
in a probation meeting
660
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,639
in your flat in Castleton. Yeah.
661
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:02,639
Are you double checking everyone
or just Sam Wright?
662
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Yeah, well, no,
I just wanted to confirm
663
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960
how many that you
were asked to check?
664
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,480
'Four.' Definitely? Four?
665
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,279
'Yeah, yeah, I have the original
notes in front of me,
666
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:21,119
'four cards,
all, unfortunately for you guys,
667
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,279
'paid for with cash.'
Yeah, no, well, so, listen,
668
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:26,480
I mean, it looks like
it was a bollocks this end
669
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,040
and there were actually five cards,
670
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,719
two were stuck together.
671
00:41:30,759 --> 00:41:34,040
Erm, anyways, so if I...
if I give you all five numbers now,
672
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,815
whichever one is not on your list,
can you check it out for me, please?
673
00:41:36,839 --> 00:41:40,639
'Yeah, sure.' So, OK, "DF45..."
674
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,040
No. I had no encounter with him.
675
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Right, so, why do you think
676
00:42:02,279 --> 00:42:06,560
your fiancee...
told me that you did?
677
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:19,880
Erm... I have no idea
why he'd say such a thing.
678
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,440
Well, we've also just spoken
to Maria Taylor,
679
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000
and she has now confirmed she
remembers you knocking on her door
680
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,440
that day, asking after her son.
681
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,279
Despite never having
mentioned this before.
682
00:42:29,319 --> 00:42:31,480
Well, she was obviously
in a state of shock,
683
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,719
right after her son
was brutally murdered.
684
00:42:34,799 --> 00:42:37,119
By the time she'd started to think
at all rationally,
685
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,560
Sally Wright had been charged.
686
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,800
It never occurred to her
to mention a 30-second exchange
687
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:43,440
on her doorstep
with his social worker.
688
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,639
Well, she's lying.
Cos I didn't go looking for him.
689
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,279
It would be perfectly
understandable, Karen,
690
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:55,000
for you to have been
mad with Matthew.
691
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,960
I mean, what would any of us do
to protect our children?
692
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,279
Maybe this was just
a moment of madness.
693
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:07,360
No.
694
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,239
I never saw him that day.
695
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,440
There are numerous fibres taken from
Matthew's clothing after he died.
696
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,560
Hitherto unidentified hairs caught
up in his school jumper and coat.
697
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,560
Would you be happy
for us check those against you?
698
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:26,400
Yeah.
699
00:43:30,839 --> 00:43:32,360
Right hand.
700
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,839
I don't know what to say any more,
Sally.
701
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,560
I've just got so much wrong and...
702
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,560
I wonder if you can
ever forgive me.
703
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,480
Come in.
704
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,199
'Hi, this is Sam Wright.
Please leave a message.'
705
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,600
All right, mate?
706
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:42,279
It's Aaron... Holmes. Remember me?
707
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,679
Listen, fella,
give us a call some time, will ya?
708
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,080
I think we need
to have a little chat.
709
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,880
I am not taking
any lectures from you.
710
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,560
I know where you were last night.
711
00:45:08,799 --> 00:45:10,920
This has to be for keeps, Sam.
712
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,119
Why would you go
to all that trouble...
713
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,520
unless you had something to hide?
714
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,080
This can't be about Karen any more.
715
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:20,119
I won't be anyone's second best,
Sam.
716
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:21,639
Least of all yours.
717
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:23,679
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but you're gonna want to see this.
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00:45:24,305 --> 00:45:28,419
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