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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:30,572 Don't forget I have to call the radio show... 2 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:31,823 At 11:58. 3 00:00:32,365 --> 00:00:33,825 No, 38. 4 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:35,285 11:38 it's... 5 00:00:35,368 --> 00:00:39,247 I have to call in and the thing is at 11:40. 6 00:00:43,668 --> 00:00:45,295 Hello, everybody. 7 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:46,588 Good morning. 8 00:00:47,255 --> 00:00:48,423 How are you? 9 00:00:52,677 --> 00:00:54,304 Actually, I never plan anything. 10 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:56,181 I never, like, say, "Oh, I'm gonna do this, 11 00:00:56,264 --> 00:00:57,682 I'm gonna do that." I just... 12 00:00:57,932 --> 00:01:00,769 It's all very organic. I just like... 13 00:01:01,394 --> 00:01:03,313 It comes, it feels right. I do it. 14 00:01:03,396 --> 00:01:05,648 As far as doing things in the night club 15 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:08,943 or working with... Uniting people. 16 00:01:09,027 --> 00:01:10,070 It's definitely the most fulfilling... 17 00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:13,073 I used to like go to these clubs in Switzerland, 18 00:01:13,156 --> 00:01:14,783 which were once a month. 19 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:17,285 So we would travel all over the country 20 00:01:17,368 --> 00:01:19,120 because they were, like, in Geneva... 21 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:20,789 I came to New York, 22 00:01:21,331 --> 00:01:22,999 I was in the fashion business. 23 00:01:23,208 --> 00:01:24,542 Ah, I opened the store. 24 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:26,169 I wanted to like bring these 25 00:01:26,252 --> 00:01:30,006 really avant-garde fashion people to New York from London. 26 00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:32,050 I had a fashion show. 27 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:36,346 An amazing feeling was the first time I had people come together 28 00:01:36,471 --> 00:01:38,848 to see something that I created. 29 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:40,975 I guess in '86, 30 00:01:41,226 --> 00:01:43,061 I started a night in the club, 31 00:01:43,186 --> 00:01:45,730 kind of inspired by Taboo, Leigh Bowery's club. 32 00:01:45,814 --> 00:01:48,983 That's really how I got into this business of doing events. 33 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:51,611 And of course, I'm the type of person doesn't want to sell. 34 00:01:51,694 --> 00:01:54,781 So I kept adding and adding events and eventually travel with the events. 35 00:01:54,906 --> 00:01:57,867 I had personalities hosting, had shows, 36 00:01:57,951 --> 00:01:59,869 I had a son. [chuckles] 37 00:02:00,453 --> 00:02:01,746 You name it, I had it. 38 00:02:01,871 --> 00:02:03,832 And I'm still having it. [chuckles] 39 00:02:17,178 --> 00:02:20,598 I'm losing my marbles. I'm like exhausted. 40 00:02:20,765 --> 00:02:23,059 Um... A favor, 41 00:02:23,226 --> 00:02:25,770 do you have any pink, soft pink... 42 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:27,647 You're the type who might have 43 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:30,692 a soft pink fishnet tights for me. 44 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:33,820 -Fishnet? -Yeah. Any soft pink tights? 45 00:02:34,946 --> 00:02:36,447 They don't have pink. 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,872 I'm excited for the opening. It's gonna be really cool. 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,081 We have like... 48 00:02:45,331 --> 00:02:48,585 Fifteen-hundred RSVPs. I mean, a lot of people don't come when they RSVP. 49 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:50,545 But then a lot of others do come. 50 00:02:50,628 --> 00:02:52,714 So, there's probably gonna be about, just right. 51 00:02:52,797 --> 00:02:54,591 -[Adam] How many people are you expecting? -1,500. 52 00:02:54,841 --> 00:02:55,675 Ah. 53 00:02:57,176 --> 00:02:59,053 But a lot will come and go, you know. 54 00:02:59,304 --> 00:03:00,847 They just wanna come and have a look. 55 00:03:02,098 --> 00:03:04,767 Look in the mirror, we're here with the pink. 56 00:03:10,189 --> 00:03:13,067 You know what I don't like about it? It's not really pink. 57 00:03:13,526 --> 00:03:16,529 I know it's pink, but it's not a pink that I feel pink in. 58 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:17,864 Do you know what I'm saying? 59 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:19,657 Maybe the very, very pink 60 00:03:19,782 --> 00:03:21,159 wouldn't show up, right? 61 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:24,537 - This is what I used. - I don't like this color. 62 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:25,788 No, this is exactly what I used. 63 00:03:25,872 --> 00:03:27,040 - Yeah. - I used these two. 64 00:03:30,793 --> 00:03:31,920 Wow, it's quiet. 65 00:03:34,839 --> 00:03:37,842 Do you have any body paint, like, what about... 66 00:03:38,801 --> 00:03:40,637 You seriously wanna body paint your leg, pink? 67 00:03:40,887 --> 00:03:42,347 I was just thinking, you know, 68 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:44,474 I have... I'm wearing the pink boots. 69 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:47,060 Oh, my God! The chicken, it's in the oven. Hold on. 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,812 I'm making a chicken for Bailey. [chuckles] 71 00:03:50,104 --> 00:03:52,232 He's coming home tonight for a minute. 72 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:54,234 I'm so happy he's coming. 73 00:03:54,317 --> 00:03:55,777 He's on the train now. 74 00:03:55,985 --> 00:03:57,070 Is he coming to the opening? 75 00:03:57,153 --> 00:03:59,280 Yeah, he's coming for, like, two hours. 76 00:03:59,572 --> 00:04:02,283 -Oh, really? -Thought I could at least make some food. 77 00:04:05,828 --> 00:04:07,747 Bailey loves rosemary. 78 00:04:08,665 --> 00:04:10,750 So I throw that in. Okay. 79 00:04:11,626 --> 00:04:13,461 Back in the oven, bitch. 80 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:23,763 I have no idea why I'm so tired. 81 00:04:23,888 --> 00:04:25,515 I'm so tired today. 82 00:04:28,685 --> 00:04:31,396 I didn't think I was gonna be in New York 83 00:04:31,479 --> 00:04:34,023 at the Chelsea Hotel doing what I'm doing right now 84 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:35,566 for how many years. 85 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:37,777 1981, a long time. 86 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:44,117 It's nice. 87 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:46,369 But definitely not squiggly. 88 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,540 I always say that I don't act, 89 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:52,166 I don't sing, 90 00:04:52,417 --> 00:04:54,085 I don't have a good voice and I'm not a dancer, 91 00:04:54,168 --> 00:04:57,505 so, I express myself with looks. 92 00:04:57,588 --> 00:04:58,840 It's not what it is. 93 00:04:59,090 --> 00:04:59,924 I hate that. 94 00:05:00,258 --> 00:05:02,135 A look is whatever you wanted to be. 95 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:04,595 It's like making a sculpture. 96 00:05:04,762 --> 00:05:06,139 A look is how you wanna 97 00:05:06,472 --> 00:05:08,308 be viewed, how you wanna be seen. 98 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:12,478 If it's not a statement, what's the point? 99 00:05:12,603 --> 00:05:13,604 Too forward. 100 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:18,860 I mean, I've spent thousands and thousands of hours in front of a mirror. 101 00:05:26,743 --> 00:05:30,371 It's art to be able to carry it off, also. 102 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:38,171 Now, I do not wanna walk into a fabulous event, 103 00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:40,465 not with a wig and a look. 104 00:05:41,924 --> 00:05:43,968 I think I would feel less interesting. 105 00:05:44,135 --> 00:05:45,511 You know, I mean, 106 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:48,181 I've never wanted to fit in with the norm. 107 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:50,433 I've never looked for the norm. 108 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:53,311 I don't know, maybe it came from childhood. 109 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:55,354 Maybe it's the Swiss background, 110 00:05:55,438 --> 00:05:57,690 where everything was clockwork. 111 00:05:59,984 --> 00:06:01,986 I don't know how to explain 112 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:03,154 why I'm me. 113 00:06:03,237 --> 00:06:05,823 I haven't thought about it. It's just how I am. 114 00:06:25,009 --> 00:06:28,387 I would hear people talk about Susanne with reverence. 115 00:06:31,557 --> 00:06:32,934 No one can throw a party like her, 116 00:06:33,017 --> 00:06:34,310 no one could carry on like her, 117 00:06:34,393 --> 00:06:37,230 no one's personal life is as interesting as hers, 118 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:40,108 When I met Susanne, she, she would, like, 119 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:42,568 travel around the world with a troupe, 120 00:06:42,652 --> 00:06:46,489 her troupe of club kids, DJs, performers. 121 00:06:46,739 --> 00:06:48,533 And she'd travel around the world with them, 122 00:06:48,616 --> 00:06:50,159 and throw parties and get paid for it. 123 00:06:50,451 --> 00:06:51,536 I thought that was so cool. 124 00:06:51,619 --> 00:06:52,954 Who wouldn't want to live like that? 125 00:06:53,412 --> 00:06:55,748 And you-- Of course, you haven't lived, 126 00:06:56,457 --> 00:06:58,501 until you like, checked into a hotel with this group. 127 00:06:59,168 --> 00:07:01,087 We've been looking up to her for 128 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:02,547 such a long time. 129 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,924 Because her parties are the best. 130 00:07:05,591 --> 00:07:07,426 When you look at a night-life legends 131 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:09,095 you can kind of categorize everyone like, 132 00:07:09,178 --> 00:07:11,514 "Oh, that was an '80s legend or '90s legend." 133 00:07:11,889 --> 00:07:14,058 With Susanne, she's endured for 30 years. 134 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:18,229 The way I see Susanne Bartsch or Warhol... 135 00:07:18,312 --> 00:07:19,564 There are certain people who've been 136 00:07:19,647 --> 00:07:21,816 so important in changing the culture. 137 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:23,943 Their understanding how to do it in such a way 138 00:07:24,026 --> 00:07:26,112 as to not only move it forward, 139 00:07:26,195 --> 00:07:27,613 but also make it accessible. 140 00:07:37,748 --> 00:07:39,792 There's a party over here. 141 00:07:40,084 --> 00:07:41,002 Come on, now. 142 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:43,713 Shake it down. Bye. 143 00:07:44,005 --> 00:07:45,923 All the kids my age, 144 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:47,300 who all moved to New York, 145 00:07:47,383 --> 00:07:50,261 we wanted to experience Andy Warhol. 146 00:07:50,344 --> 00:07:52,180 He invented all these Drag Superstars 147 00:07:52,638 --> 00:07:54,015 and made them celebrities. 148 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:56,267 So from near and far, 149 00:07:56,350 --> 00:07:58,436 people would come, change their names 150 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:01,564 and wanna become a Warhol's guard. 151 00:08:01,647 --> 00:08:05,234 Turn, turn. Oh, that's beautiful, that's beautiful, more. 152 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:06,527 More, more, more, oh. 153 00:08:06,611 --> 00:08:07,653 Work it baby, work it, work it. 154 00:08:07,737 --> 00:08:09,697 Give me, baby, give me, give me. 155 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:13,493 But most of the Warhol scene was gone. 156 00:08:16,037 --> 00:08:19,415 Susanne Bartsch picked up where Warhol left off. 157 00:08:19,832 --> 00:08:20,917 In the past six months, 158 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,169 a new wave of night spots have opened, 159 00:08:23,252 --> 00:08:25,004 that are getting people off their sofa 160 00:08:25,087 --> 00:08:26,422 and onto the dance floor. 161 00:08:26,506 --> 00:08:29,050 It's a return to decadence with a new style. 162 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:32,053 The monarch of the downtown party promoter, 163 00:08:32,136 --> 00:08:35,681 the role model for most of the club kids, Susanne Bartsch. 164 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:37,183 Susanne Bartsch has been dubbed, 165 00:08:37,266 --> 00:08:38,935 "New York's Queen of the Night." 166 00:08:39,101 --> 00:08:40,937 Her occupation, well, 167 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:42,480 she puts on parties. 168 00:08:42,563 --> 00:08:45,316 But they're more like full-scale theatrical assaults. 169 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:47,068 Every last Thursday of the month 170 00:08:47,151 --> 00:08:50,571 she turns the Copacabana into a real-life carnival, 171 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:53,533 A drag queen who whips the crowd of party goers 172 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:55,493 into a dancing frenzy. 173 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,288 It is a message with it all. 174 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:03,042 I try to unite people, break barriers, 175 00:09:03,167 --> 00:09:05,461 gay, straight, uptown, downtown, 176 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:06,796 drag, businessmen. 177 00:09:07,088 --> 00:09:08,589 Make people feel good. 178 00:09:08,839 --> 00:09:10,925 And once, every so often, when I do a party 179 00:09:11,008 --> 00:09:12,260 I hope that I achieved that. 180 00:09:15,805 --> 00:09:18,099 And I think that's what it's about. 181 00:09:21,352 --> 00:09:24,105 It can be an art form just to get inside here. 182 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,235 In Susanne's world, it doesn't matter who you are. 183 00:09:29,318 --> 00:09:30,570 All you have to do is just dress up. 184 00:09:30,653 --> 00:09:32,113 That was the price of admission. 185 00:09:32,321 --> 00:09:33,197 Just look fabulous. 186 00:09:33,281 --> 00:09:35,199 Tomorrow night, we're gonna tell you about 187 00:09:35,283 --> 00:09:37,451 your guide to being fabulous, 188 00:09:37,535 --> 00:09:39,704 which is what it takes these days to get in. 189 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:42,248 We'll leave that space open for the garage and keep going afterward. 190 00:09:42,415 --> 00:09:43,749 Yeah, Karim is here. 191 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:45,918 Oh, it's cold. We don't have a coat check, just so you know. 192 00:09:46,210 --> 00:09:47,295 Come in. 193 00:09:49,922 --> 00:09:52,550 Do we have guest list for my people? 194 00:09:52,633 --> 00:09:53,884 Oh, muffin, you can go 195 00:09:53,968 --> 00:09:55,720 in the bathroom and get ready. 196 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:58,264 Do you have any garbage cans here? 197 00:09:59,932 --> 00:10:00,850 David. 198 00:10:02,059 --> 00:10:05,021 Is it too loud... for you? 199 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:06,647 A hair, until it gets busier. 200 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:08,399 When I opened my first gym 201 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:10,359 I was kind of a kid, I was in my 20s. 202 00:10:10,526 --> 00:10:12,737 And all these people would come to the gym. 203 00:10:12,820 --> 00:10:15,281 Remember that? We caught you in that gym. 204 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:17,283 This was, like, the age of, like, supermodels, 205 00:10:17,366 --> 00:10:19,285 and they were all coming in, and they were like Hollywood people. 206 00:10:19,410 --> 00:10:20,870 Just people from all over, 207 00:10:21,287 --> 00:10:22,288 like, kind of like celebrity, 208 00:10:22,371 --> 00:10:23,748 I didn't know what hit me. 209 00:10:25,082 --> 00:10:26,876 Somebody said, "Susanne Bartsch is here." 210 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:29,128 I knew her from the parties, but I'd never spoken to her. 211 00:10:33,341 --> 00:10:34,425 You know... 212 00:10:34,592 --> 00:10:36,010 Susanne walks into a room and, 213 00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:37,970 like, everyone notices her. 214 00:10:38,054 --> 00:10:40,222 Like, she does not walk into a room unnoticed. 215 00:10:40,306 --> 00:10:41,265 She was coming to the gym 216 00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:42,850 and I said, "you should let me train you." 217 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:45,102 David came and says, "You know, I really want to train you. 218 00:10:45,186 --> 00:10:46,854 I could firm up your butt." 219 00:10:47,396 --> 00:10:48,356 It's not firm? 220 00:10:48,439 --> 00:10:50,816 He goes, "I mean, I can round you more up." 221 00:10:51,025 --> 00:10:52,193 I said, "I'm yours." 222 00:10:52,777 --> 00:10:55,780 I had this instant crush. How could you not? 223 00:10:55,946 --> 00:10:57,990 I didn't think I was really for him, 224 00:10:58,407 --> 00:11:00,868 to work for him, whatever, thinking he was too young. 225 00:11:00,951 --> 00:11:04,038 I just liked him a lot. I-- I was into him. 226 00:11:17,051 --> 00:11:18,427 Where's Brandon? 227 00:11:18,803 --> 00:11:20,096 Is Brandon there? 228 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:21,806 Where the fuck are you? 229 00:11:22,139 --> 00:11:24,600 -[Brandon Olson] In the... -It's 20 past 10. 230 00:11:24,725 --> 00:11:26,852 -It's not me... -8:00 here. 231 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:27,770 ...the people back here. Okay. Okay. 232 00:11:27,853 --> 00:11:30,231 You guys are gonna be here with the black swan. 233 00:11:30,314 --> 00:11:31,399 Excellent. 234 00:11:33,442 --> 00:11:35,569 You go with them and the black swan for the moment? 235 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:37,655 You. Aquaria, you go over there. 236 00:11:39,281 --> 00:11:41,158 Uh... Ryan, you're right here. 237 00:11:41,867 --> 00:11:42,701 -Here? -Yeah. 238 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:44,161 Hannah, you just stay here. 239 00:11:44,245 --> 00:11:46,497 You go over there and knit for a minute. 240 00:11:46,580 --> 00:11:47,748 Close, yeah. 241 00:11:49,166 --> 00:11:50,626 You can go over there. 242 00:11:52,211 --> 00:11:55,172 You guys should work this area 'cause that's where they locate. 243 00:11:59,385 --> 00:12:01,470 Sophie, you go over there with Marcia. 244 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:03,931 We're doing a red-hot photo shoot here now. 245 00:12:05,182 --> 00:12:06,684 Oh, hi, Bill. 246 00:12:09,895 --> 00:12:12,523 Hey, baby. Thank you so much for coming. 247 00:12:12,606 --> 00:12:15,192 -Louise and Terry are around. -Is this not... 248 00:12:15,276 --> 00:12:17,403 -Oh, wow. -This is your crowd. 249 00:12:17,486 --> 00:12:18,612 Muffin, 250 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:20,948 this is a great photographer, take a picture. 251 00:12:22,158 --> 00:12:23,534 We're not allowed to swim. 252 00:12:26,704 --> 00:12:29,373 Guys, you could be like that, but no swimming. 253 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,709 No swimming, everybody. 254 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:33,627 This is the people looking at you. 255 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:34,879 It's theater. 256 00:12:34,962 --> 00:12:38,007 So people coming to the event see it, 257 00:12:38,174 --> 00:12:41,093 and they have a visual feast. 258 00:12:41,218 --> 00:12:43,846 They see things they may have never seen before. 259 00:12:43,929 --> 00:12:47,308 They enjoy, they're inspired. 260 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:50,978 It's like going to the opera or to see a play. 261 00:12:51,395 --> 00:12:53,189 Gary, I need you to come back here. Gary. 262 00:12:53,397 --> 00:12:54,482 When I hire someone, 263 00:12:54,565 --> 00:12:59,278 I'm drawn to people that make statements with their looks. 264 00:13:00,196 --> 00:13:01,780 I'd like to give a platform 265 00:13:01,864 --> 00:13:04,742 where people can express themselves 266 00:13:04,825 --> 00:13:06,285 and do their art. 267 00:13:07,077 --> 00:13:09,872 I met Susanne in 1988. 268 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:12,958 She was promoting a club called Sauvage. 269 00:13:13,584 --> 00:13:16,378 She started hiring me to emcee 270 00:13:16,837 --> 00:13:18,964 her night at the Copacabana. 271 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:20,883 Susanne Bartsch, ladies and gentlemen. 272 00:13:21,884 --> 00:13:25,387 Susanne Bartsch was the one who championed me and said, 273 00:13:25,471 --> 00:13:28,974 "You have got a future. You are something special." 274 00:13:29,725 --> 00:13:31,560 More than any other time in my life, 275 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:33,270 that's when I needed to hear that. 276 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:35,481 Amanda, come! 277 00:13:35,606 --> 00:13:37,608 I got married when I had my sex changed. 278 00:13:37,691 --> 00:13:39,818 And then the marriage didn't work out and I ran away. 279 00:13:39,902 --> 00:13:42,238 And I was just was trying to survive, 280 00:13:42,571 --> 00:13:43,656 and achieve higher gain. 281 00:13:43,739 --> 00:13:46,867 It was actually the first nightclub job that I had. 282 00:13:47,326 --> 00:13:49,328 The first job I got was 283 00:13:49,411 --> 00:13:51,497 working her door at Sauvage. 284 00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:55,292 We come from a way of looking at life 285 00:13:55,501 --> 00:13:57,545 that is probably very similar. 286 00:13:57,711 --> 00:14:01,298 We really don't believe in the bullshit of society. 287 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:04,635 Other clubs that I worked at, they would kinda shame you 288 00:14:04,718 --> 00:14:07,429 for letting certain people in. 289 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:09,139 Susanne never questioned 290 00:14:09,223 --> 00:14:10,391 who I let in. 291 00:14:11,058 --> 00:14:12,560 He went to school for fine arts. 292 00:14:12,685 --> 00:14:14,478 I am an art school dropout. 293 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:16,564 Trying to be noticed by Susanne 294 00:14:16,647 --> 00:14:19,608 really made us step our game, like, with looks and makeup. 295 00:14:20,067 --> 00:14:21,944 I remember what we wore that first time, 296 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:24,530 and, like, we did not deserve to be hunched. 297 00:14:24,613 --> 00:14:25,573 We didn't deserve it. Yeah. 298 00:14:25,656 --> 00:14:27,908 We sort of had to work to get her attention. 299 00:14:28,534 --> 00:14:30,661 [Joey Arias] I never did drag and I hated drag. 300 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:33,247 And I remember Susanne Bartsch said, 301 00:14:33,455 --> 00:14:36,000 "You've got the talent, use the dress, 302 00:14:36,083 --> 00:14:38,419 the costume, to push yourself. 303 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:41,672 Put the heels on and fucking make it work." 304 00:14:42,798 --> 00:14:45,342 And my whole life completely changed. 305 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:48,804 [Muffinhead] I'm still just... I'm a fat kid at heart from outside of LA. 306 00:14:49,305 --> 00:14:52,182 You know, who just kind of stumbled into New York City. 307 00:14:52,308 --> 00:14:54,685 I never felt accepted, 308 00:14:54,768 --> 00:14:57,563 or that I belonged to any group of people 309 00:14:57,688 --> 00:14:58,814 in any way. 310 00:14:58,939 --> 00:15:01,775 Susanne has always accepted exactly who I am. 311 00:15:02,860 --> 00:15:03,903 You're part of her ensemble. 312 00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:07,031 You're part of her fabulous machine. 313 00:15:07,406 --> 00:15:09,033 So, it's our job to welcome people. 314 00:15:09,491 --> 00:15:11,577 That's what I do. My entire life is this. 315 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:13,412 So I might as well do it really good. 316 00:15:15,456 --> 00:15:17,833 For her, it was like, "Are you interesting? 317 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:19,043 Are you fun? 318 00:15:19,168 --> 00:15:21,629 Are you gonna contribute something to the night?" 319 00:15:22,838 --> 00:15:25,132 It's this incredible ecosystem, 320 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:27,927 and everything feeds off itself. 321 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:30,179 Yeah, I had a great time. 322 00:15:35,392 --> 00:15:36,477 Let's do it. 323 00:15:37,102 --> 00:15:39,813 Get in shape! Work it up! 324 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:42,107 Do it to me, baby. 325 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:43,984 Shake your booty. 326 00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:48,322 -I've been doing this for a while, so -Yeah, yeah. 327 00:15:48,405 --> 00:15:51,492 I really, at this point, I trust Susanne to turn out a good play. 328 00:15:53,118 --> 00:15:54,203 Can you lift me up? 329 00:15:54,995 --> 00:15:56,163 Try to lift up. 330 00:15:57,289 --> 00:15:58,374 Oh, yeah! 331 00:15:58,499 --> 00:15:59,875 David and I split up. 332 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:03,170 And then, um, David and I got back together. 333 00:16:03,253 --> 00:16:04,713 And he moved back in. 334 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:07,257 And then he moved back out. [chuckles] 335 00:16:07,341 --> 00:16:08,842 It's like a yo-yo. 336 00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:12,763 Susanne and I have like a karmic connection. 337 00:16:13,305 --> 00:16:16,016 We just connected in so many ways. 338 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:19,311 She would have ideas and then, like, 339 00:16:19,395 --> 00:16:21,855 she'd go out and whatever her idea, like, she'd go out and do it, 340 00:16:22,856 --> 00:16:25,567 Which is so inspiring for me, like, I love people like that. 341 00:16:25,859 --> 00:16:28,070 And you can count on her to be funny, she's just... 342 00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:30,906 I loved her sense of humor. That's so important, you know. 343 00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:32,950 You can laugh with somebody. 344 00:16:33,909 --> 00:16:34,952 Um... 345 00:16:35,035 --> 00:16:37,496 I knew we were having problems when we'd stopped laughing together. 346 00:16:43,419 --> 00:16:45,045 I don't think Susanne ever 347 00:16:45,504 --> 00:16:47,339 anticipated being, like, a wife, 348 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:48,674 being a mother. 349 00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:50,342 I'm putting sugar. 350 00:16:50,634 --> 00:16:53,303 No, I'll... 351 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:55,889 You want to sweeten it? 352 00:16:57,474 --> 00:16:59,393 I'm now bringing you Susanne's baby. 353 00:16:59,518 --> 00:17:01,228 When's this... Baby, when are you due? 354 00:17:01,895 --> 00:17:03,564 February. End of February. 355 00:17:03,689 --> 00:17:04,857 Who's your daddy? 356 00:17:04,940 --> 00:17:06,275 David Barton. 357 00:17:06,358 --> 00:17:08,444 I don't care what he wants to do with his life, 358 00:17:08,527 --> 00:17:11,030 I'm just hoping, in this world, he'll be doing what he likes to. 359 00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:13,991 I think I was supposed to be a housewife. 360 00:17:14,283 --> 00:17:16,326 And children, I'm out doing it, finally. 361 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:17,911 But not the housewife. 362 00:17:18,078 --> 00:17:19,747 I'll just do the baby. 363 00:17:20,456 --> 00:17:21,582 Wow! 364 00:17:21,915 --> 00:17:23,792 Look at my little man. 365 00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:25,961 We're inside this thing. 366 00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:27,880 Where's everybody? 367 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:29,548 Where's Bailey? 368 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:31,341 Here he is. 369 00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:36,638 Yeah, we're hiding and seeking. 370 00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:43,103 Bailey, let's get a photo with your mom. 371 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:46,398 I love you so much. 372 00:17:47,191 --> 00:17:49,193 How are you feeling? Did you try the chicken? 373 00:17:49,276 --> 00:17:51,111 I'm so... The chicken was delicious. 374 00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:55,491 I really don't go to most of her parties. 375 00:17:56,325 --> 00:17:58,786 You know. It's hard for me to like... 376 00:18:00,412 --> 00:18:02,372 ...do 'em. Both of my parents are really good at it. 377 00:18:02,456 --> 00:18:03,916 And just like give that 378 00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:07,127 sort of energy that they're getting 379 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:08,462 back from someone or, like, 380 00:18:08,545 --> 00:18:11,131 to raise someone's energy level like that. 381 00:18:12,674 --> 00:18:14,134 Hi. Hi. 382 00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:17,596 Yeah, I want to have a drink. 383 00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:19,056 What would you like? 384 00:18:19,848 --> 00:18:20,933 A vodka soda. 385 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:22,976 We have a lot of vodka. 386 00:18:23,227 --> 00:18:24,853 -Oh, great. -Hey, baby. 387 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:26,271 Susanne, look straight at me. 388 00:18:27,147 --> 00:18:28,565 I go to Brown University. 389 00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:29,858 I study classics, 390 00:18:29,983 --> 00:18:33,070 specifically, Latin and the Roman Empire. 391 00:18:37,491 --> 00:18:39,535 My parents, they're just people who have 392 00:18:39,618 --> 00:18:42,162 unconventional lifestyles, which I recognized. 393 00:18:42,704 --> 00:18:44,665 But as parents, 394 00:18:44,873 --> 00:18:46,250 they were standard. 395 00:18:46,416 --> 00:18:48,669 Brush your teeth. Go to bed on time. 396 00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:54,925 In their, like, domains, which is her parties 397 00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:57,052 or in my dad's gym. 398 00:18:57,219 --> 00:19:00,889 Like, those are the places where I do feel like 399 00:19:01,056 --> 00:19:02,683 their shadows are long. 400 00:19:04,434 --> 00:19:06,061 It wasn't about pushing me 401 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:09,940 into their expectations or molding me into what they wanted me to be. 402 00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:12,276 They were both 403 00:19:13,318 --> 00:19:15,988 interested in what I wanted to be. 404 00:19:16,446 --> 00:19:18,198 You know, what does this child need? 405 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:21,577 What is his soul trying to say? 406 00:19:21,910 --> 00:19:24,913 Showing me all the options. 407 00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:33,589 A lot of my childhood 408 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:35,632 was coming to terms with, 409 00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:37,801 what she does for living 410 00:19:37,885 --> 00:19:40,888 and all the craziness that surrounds it. 411 00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:44,016 It is weird to be around Susanne 412 00:19:44,099 --> 00:19:46,727 when she is playing Susanne. 413 00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:52,941 She has different modes of interacting with people. 414 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,944 She has her party professional mode 415 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:58,447 which is like, "Oh, the oldest friend in the world 416 00:19:58,530 --> 00:19:59,823 has just come out of, 417 00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:01,909 you know, the darkest corner of the room." 418 00:20:02,284 --> 00:20:04,244 It's not disingenuous, 419 00:20:04,328 --> 00:20:05,996 but, it's her job. 420 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:07,789 Be friendly and make people feel good. 421 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:13,128 Then there's another side where it's the off switch, 422 00:20:13,378 --> 00:20:16,757 where she can barely give you 423 00:20:17,591 --> 00:20:19,134 the time of day. 424 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:22,095 You know, what happens after you're on? You're off. 425 00:20:22,179 --> 00:20:24,932 And she's, like, has trouble 426 00:20:25,265 --> 00:20:26,600 connecting with people. 427 00:20:28,477 --> 00:20:30,812 But then, there's a Susanne 428 00:20:30,938 --> 00:20:32,439 who's just relaxed, 429 00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:36,652 and I think that's my favorite Susanne. 430 00:20:37,527 --> 00:20:40,155 So empathetic, gives such good advice. 431 00:20:41,448 --> 00:20:42,741 I mean, I feel like that's my mother. 432 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:43,951 When Susanne gets dressed up, 433 00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:45,160 she's not my mother, really. 434 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:48,205 She's sort of a character that she plays. 435 00:20:52,292 --> 00:20:53,919 She set such a high standard 436 00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:56,255 for how she presents herself to the world, 437 00:20:56,338 --> 00:21:00,300 that I think appearing as a normal person 438 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:03,428 is a source of vulnerability for her. 439 00:21:03,971 --> 00:21:05,597 She doesn't want to be normal. 440 00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:08,809 She wants to be more than that. 441 00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:57,107 Oh, my God. 442 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:59,026 Okay, Brand. Before we even do anything 443 00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:01,194 let me show you all the stuff I have. 444 00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:02,612 -Okay. -I don't know what we-- 445 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:03,697 How we're gonna do this. 446 00:22:03,780 --> 00:22:05,198 Let's have a look here. 447 00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:09,161 You just need to take them off the hanger and put them in the box. 448 00:22:09,244 --> 00:22:11,204 Let's put those over here, and then 449 00:22:11,288 --> 00:22:13,415 record what's in each one. 450 00:22:13,498 --> 00:22:15,250 -Okay. -Put that on that rack. 451 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:16,668 Took me a while 452 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:19,129 to sort of convince her that, you know what? 453 00:22:19,379 --> 00:22:20,922 Susanne, you have a... 454 00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:23,008 There's a story to tell about your life. 455 00:22:23,091 --> 00:22:25,761 And she's also-- Strangely, also a private person. 456 00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:27,220 You know, it took a minute 457 00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:28,388 for me to convince her 458 00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:31,016 to work together on a museum exhibition 459 00:22:31,141 --> 00:22:33,560 just to show the impact that she had 460 00:22:33,643 --> 00:22:34,770 and the influence that she had. 461 00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:37,647 She was inspired by, and then became muse to, 462 00:22:37,731 --> 00:22:41,318 some of the most important designers in fashion history. 463 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:43,695 And this is my queen dress. 464 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:45,280 The leaf dress here. 465 00:22:45,947 --> 00:22:47,491 Yes, the merkin. 466 00:22:47,657 --> 00:22:49,743 -What I was thinking today-- -The merkin from the Rick Owens. 467 00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:54,706 It's a Vivienne Westwood sheepskin jacket. 468 00:22:54,873 --> 00:22:56,416 -Oh, okay. -It's the sheepskin 469 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,002 which is probably in another bag somewhere. 470 00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:01,338 The wedding veil. 471 00:23:01,421 --> 00:23:02,672 What are you gonna do with that? 472 00:23:02,756 --> 00:23:04,382 Brandon, what about the fucking veil? 473 00:23:04,883 --> 00:23:07,511 This is the state of my marriage. [chuckling] 474 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:08,637 Hey! 475 00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:10,430 Oh, my god. 476 00:23:10,764 --> 00:23:12,641 It's gonna get all crushed isn't it? 477 00:23:12,891 --> 00:23:15,018 Oh, my God, what's down here. Hat. 478 00:23:15,602 --> 00:23:16,728 Susanne approached me 479 00:23:16,812 --> 00:23:20,774 with a really well put together idea of doing an exhibition. 480 00:23:20,941 --> 00:23:23,276 And I went over to the Chelsea Hotel, 481 00:23:23,443 --> 00:23:25,153 and there were amazing things like 482 00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:27,864 Mr. Pearl outfits, Zaldy outfits, 483 00:23:27,989 --> 00:23:29,282 incredible corsets. 484 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:31,118 And I just got more and more excited. 485 00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:34,121 And I could really see there being a fantastic show. 486 00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:36,540 Galliano's, remember those? 487 00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:39,918 Actually, you weren't born, were you? When were you born? 488 00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:42,587 This is a product. It's going to be up for three months. 489 00:23:42,712 --> 00:23:45,590 -Right. -Something that's not just there for the night. 490 00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:48,135 It'd something that you're gonna be able to go and see. 491 00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:51,429 It's what I wanted. I want to be art. 492 00:23:52,180 --> 00:23:54,933 I want it to be viewed as art, what I do. 493 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:56,893 What's the first page? 494 00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:57,894 -Let's go by them. -This one? 495 00:23:58,103 --> 00:23:59,146 -This is... 496 00:23:59,229 --> 00:24:01,064 Can you not use the pens, I don't want to mark. 497 00:24:01,189 --> 00:24:02,399 Oh, so wait, give it to me. 498 00:24:02,482 --> 00:24:04,860 Because you use it that way, then when you write something 499 00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:06,278 -you turn it and you write. -Okay. 500 00:24:06,361 --> 00:24:08,196 -Okay. -See? Simple. 501 00:24:10,031 --> 00:24:12,993 So this the Galliano that's over here. 502 00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:15,162 Okay, sorry. 503 00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:17,622 ♪ Slave to the fashion ♪ 504 00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,792 Basically, you become slave to it. 505 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:24,087 I mean, I work more. I just want to get this done. 506 00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:26,506 That, I made that. 507 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:28,049 -You did it? -I should give it-- 508 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,385 I'm gonna give this to you when I'm officially-- 509 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:33,180 -This is like 1970-something. -Okay. 510 00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:34,222 -That's so cool. -There you go. 511 00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:36,474 Yeah. Before the punk days, baby. 512 00:24:41,021 --> 00:24:43,857 I had all these friends when I was 16. 513 00:24:43,940 --> 00:24:45,317 They were all going to London. 514 00:24:45,442 --> 00:24:49,321 They would come back and tell me like these incredible stories. 515 00:24:49,404 --> 00:24:50,989 The clubs, the music, 516 00:24:51,114 --> 00:24:52,407 I mean, "That's where I've to go. 517 00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:53,617 I gotta go to London." 518 00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:57,495 My excuse was to go learn English properly, 519 00:24:57,579 --> 00:24:59,372 but after like three months... 520 00:25:01,124 --> 00:25:02,042 Barely three months. 521 00:25:02,125 --> 00:25:04,461 My parents found out that I'd never been to school. 522 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:05,837 I'd been out all day 523 00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:07,339 gallivanting around. 524 00:25:07,422 --> 00:25:09,758 My parents said, "You have to come home, 525 00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:11,218 we're not supporting you." 526 00:25:11,301 --> 00:25:14,930 I'm going, "Well, I'm-- I don't need your money. I'm staying." 527 00:25:15,138 --> 00:25:17,641 And it was a whole incredible scene. 528 00:25:18,975 --> 00:25:20,936 There was this store called Crumble. 529 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:23,313 I said, "I'm looking for a job." 530 00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:26,399 I was a really good sales person, I was like famous. 531 00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:29,277 The gigs rocked 'cause I sold so much stuff. 532 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:35,033 It wasn't on my mind to go to America. 533 00:25:35,992 --> 00:25:39,037 I started off here as a girlfriend of a painter. 534 00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:43,333 And noticed that there wasn't much fashion here. 535 00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:46,461 I mean, there was fashion, but I wanted to have, like, 536 00:25:46,962 --> 00:25:49,130 underground fashion. I missed 537 00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:51,258 ever-changing looks 538 00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:53,343 that I saw in London, that I did myself. 539 00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:54,844 So I'm going, 540 00:25:54,928 --> 00:25:56,513 "Why not import what I miss?" 541 00:25:57,722 --> 00:26:00,684 Susanne Bartsch is the intriguing Swiss name 542 00:26:00,767 --> 00:26:03,144 of a new avant-garde shop in New York. 543 00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:05,313 The owner, Susanne Bartsch... 544 00:26:07,274 --> 00:26:09,234 She had the grooviest little shop. 545 00:26:09,317 --> 00:26:11,278 And it housed 546 00:26:11,611 --> 00:26:14,406 the most crazy, innovative merchandise 547 00:26:14,489 --> 00:26:16,032 from London at the time. 548 00:26:16,116 --> 00:26:17,867 So people liked John Galliano 549 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:20,829 and BodyMap came out of that explosion 550 00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:22,914 of post-punk creativity. 551 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,041 And Susanne, of course, knew them all. 552 00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:26,793 And in her little store in New York, 553 00:26:26,876 --> 00:26:29,004 she was the first person to bring them here 554 00:26:29,337 --> 00:26:30,922 and show the clothing. 555 00:26:31,381 --> 00:26:33,258 Susanne had an effect on three continents. 556 00:26:33,341 --> 00:26:35,844 She took London style, she brought it to New York, 557 00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:37,053 and she brought it to Tokyo. 558 00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:42,058 But then, she had an even bigger impact 559 00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:43,393 with her club nights. 560 00:26:43,601 --> 00:26:45,770 That's probably what most people know her for. 561 00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:50,358 You know, a designer, even if they're a minimalist simple designer, 562 00:26:50,525 --> 00:26:52,527 you can't go to one of her clubs 563 00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:54,529 and not take away something 564 00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:57,824 from all that sort of explosive creativity. 565 00:26:58,616 --> 00:27:00,535 She's a perfect example 566 00:27:00,618 --> 00:27:03,079 of how it's not just one person who makes fashion, 567 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:04,706 not just a designer. 568 00:27:04,831 --> 00:27:06,458 It's a lot of creative people 569 00:27:06,624 --> 00:27:10,045 in venues where the creativity is validated. 570 00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:13,715 What time is it, Brandon? 571 00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:15,342 It is... 572 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:18,470 -Yeah, 4:40. -We have to go. 573 00:27:18,553 --> 00:27:20,263 -And we're taking the marked... -I get it, yeah. 574 00:27:22,015 --> 00:27:23,767 This is the mermaid, right? 575 00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:25,185 It's the cocoon. 576 00:27:29,272 --> 00:27:30,523 This shit is heavy. 577 00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:38,114 Here we go. 578 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:50,377 -Brandon? -Yeah. 579 00:27:50,668 --> 00:27:52,128 Shit! Can you call my phone? 580 00:27:52,212 --> 00:27:54,130 I think I left it at the star fuck. 581 00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:56,424 It's ringing, but not here. 582 00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:58,468 Fuck! 583 00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:01,346 Oh, I got it. Cool. 584 00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:03,890 Who should that go with? 585 00:28:06,768 --> 00:28:08,436 Should this go with somebody? 586 00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:10,647 Brandon, I'm going downstairs. 587 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:11,564 Okay. 588 00:28:15,652 --> 00:28:16,653 Wow. 589 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,572 I mean, there are gonna be mannequins going up the stairs. 590 00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:21,658 So, that'll look really cool, but... 591 00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:25,036 Ooh... Mmm... 592 00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:27,914 The runway is great. 593 00:28:30,041 --> 00:28:31,501 It's gonna be busy in here. 594 00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:38,508 I guess with the lightning and everything it'll... 595 00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:40,635 Look... 596 00:28:42,637 --> 00:28:44,222 Wow, okay. 597 00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:45,765 Right on. 598 00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:47,350 Back upstairs. 599 00:28:53,106 --> 00:28:54,899 You know, I've been for a while wanting 600 00:28:54,983 --> 00:28:57,318 to do things where there's a product. 601 00:28:57,902 --> 00:29:00,113 Right now, I got this exhibition. 602 00:29:00,238 --> 00:29:01,906 I've got the lashes thing going on. 603 00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:05,452 We're gonna do pictures of you in every eyelash, right? 604 00:29:05,535 --> 00:29:06,703 -Now, we're gonna get... -Now. 605 00:29:06,786 --> 00:29:08,246 -...plain face, lashes. -So, let's do it. 606 00:29:08,455 --> 00:29:10,248 We're gonna, well-- Here's the thing. 607 00:29:10,790 --> 00:29:13,251 Susanne, I have a difference of opinion on this. 608 00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:16,087 I wanna do-- We can do one farther away. 609 00:29:16,463 --> 00:29:18,798 But I really wanna get all the faces together. 610 00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:20,091 -I can do one. -As well. 611 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:21,009 As well. 612 00:29:21,134 --> 00:29:23,511 We'll shoot one farther away quickly for her. 613 00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:25,847 And then we'll concentrate on the-- 614 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,432 -What I wanna do. -Okay. 615 00:29:27,807 --> 00:29:28,850 -Perfect. -I think 616 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:31,770 when we do them, you're gonna have to chop this one. 617 00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:34,439 -This or the first one? -First one, yeah. 618 00:29:35,899 --> 00:29:37,650 I guess when David and I split up, 619 00:29:37,817 --> 00:29:40,320 finances were more stressful, 620 00:29:40,403 --> 00:29:42,447 because I had to become self-supportive again. 621 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:44,240 Not because he doesn't wanna give me any money, 622 00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:45,992 he just went through a lot himself. 623 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:47,660 -Hi! -Hi! 624 00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:49,913 -Oh, look at you gorgeous creatures. -How are you? 625 00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:51,122 -Good! 626 00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:52,040 Great! 627 00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:55,168 The business of nightclub, like, having a party once a week 628 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,045 isn't gonna make anybody rich. 629 00:29:57,128 --> 00:29:58,880 At one point I did four a week, 630 00:29:59,339 --> 00:30:01,716 two in one night for quite a while. 631 00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:07,972 When I do things, I want them to enable me to be self-supportive. 632 00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:10,308 If something doesn't work financially, 633 00:30:10,475 --> 00:30:14,687 unless you're a trust fund baby or you have a sugar daddy, 634 00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:16,523 it's difficult to keep doing it. 635 00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:21,319 I don't want to rely on a husband, or people, friends, you know. 636 00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:23,613 -I like that. -That's very beautiful. 637 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:25,865 I didn't know I had all those wrinkles. 638 00:30:25,949 --> 00:30:26,991 I'm in denial. 639 00:30:28,117 --> 00:30:29,202 No, it's the light, honey. 640 00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:30,954 It's gonna pick up everything, so. 641 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,959 Oh, I just-- Okay, it's fine. 642 00:30:58,106 --> 00:31:00,149 I don't have a feeling, though, about tonight, you know. 643 00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:01,150 No? 644 00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:02,944 -It's weird. -I think it's gonna be good. 645 00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:05,822 Everybody's been talk-- Everybody is asking about it. 646 00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:08,449 They've been asking and asking and asking for weeks. Really. 647 00:31:09,784 --> 00:31:11,786 -I mean... -And people are promoting a lot. 648 00:31:11,953 --> 00:31:13,413 Like, Facebook is constant. 649 00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:14,414 -Yeah. -Yeah. 650 00:31:14,497 --> 00:31:15,874 I forgot to post something. 651 00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:17,667 My friend has been planning his look for weeks. 652 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:18,751 Should I post something? 653 00:31:19,002 --> 00:31:21,379 Honestly, there's so much on Facebook about this, really. 654 00:31:21,921 --> 00:31:23,840 Don't I-- Oh, I have a page right here. Yeah. 655 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:26,175 So let me go look. 656 00:31:30,513 --> 00:31:32,807 Yeah, it needs makeup, Deney. It's horrible. 657 00:31:35,018 --> 00:31:36,060 No. 658 00:31:37,103 --> 00:31:39,063 No. Yes, it does. 659 00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:44,027 Sorry. I mean, it's a great idea and everything. But it's not-- 660 00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:46,446 Look, if I stand and talk to you... 661 00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:47,822 It's not cool. 662 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:50,158 -I need makeup below. -Maybe liner. 663 00:31:50,491 --> 00:31:51,326 Liner. 664 00:31:51,701 --> 00:31:54,078 I need something or, or, um... 665 00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:57,373 -What's it called? -Liner. 666 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:01,169 How do you think about this, with socks or no socks? 667 00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:03,588 -I think without. -Without? 668 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:04,881 But I-- I mean, it's-- 669 00:32:04,964 --> 00:32:07,008 Whatever you feel, you know, it looks fine. 670 00:32:07,091 --> 00:32:08,676 Yeah, leave the socks. 671 00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:11,220 If they look at your feet there's something wrong. 672 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:15,683 So Brandon, it looks like I'm running late. 673 00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:17,393 I figured you would be. 674 00:32:17,477 --> 00:32:19,812 Well... He had no makeup on my eye. 675 00:32:19,896 --> 00:32:22,148 I can't be without-- Never mind how I like to look. 676 00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:23,358 It just doesn't work. 677 00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:24,901 You have your checkbook, right? 678 00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:26,653 I have everything. 679 00:32:26,819 --> 00:32:29,072 -You sure? -Checkbook is really all I need. 680 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:30,239 -Trust. -Yeah. 681 00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:32,867 -No one's gonna be there before 10:30 anyway, right? -Yeah. 682 00:32:32,992 --> 00:32:35,453 -Okay. -All right. Bye, babe. Thank you. 683 00:32:35,578 --> 00:32:37,997 How long will it be with the sewing, do you think? 684 00:32:38,331 --> 00:32:40,833 -Five minutes-- Seven. -I'll start dressing. 685 00:33:01,646 --> 00:33:03,856 And then, I'm gonna put this on top. 686 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:05,900 Deney? 687 00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:07,944 I need to fix it. 688 00:33:08,027 --> 00:33:10,363 I look demented. But it's cool. 689 00:33:10,571 --> 00:33:12,281 I need to bend it, fix it. 690 00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:13,908 I need you to sit until it dries. 691 00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:15,159 -So, I could do all that. -This is a mess. 692 00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:18,955 Talk about picking up a guy tonight, I ain't gonna get loads. 693 00:33:19,038 --> 00:33:21,040 No cock tonight, baby. 694 00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:25,169 it starts at 10:00. I can't, you know, not show up. 695 00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:27,088 -This blonde should... -[Martuscelli] Can I just cut it? 696 00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:28,256 I don't have time. 697 00:33:28,631 --> 00:33:30,341 They're asking me where I am. 698 00:33:30,466 --> 00:33:32,635 -Can you text Brandon, and say we're coming? -Right. 699 00:33:32,719 --> 00:33:34,345 -This is no longer there. -Excuse me. 700 00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:36,014 This is actually not on. 701 00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,307 'Cause I have to pin the front. 702 00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:40,101 -Yeah, this is not good. -What should it do? 703 00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:47,734 Still not working right. I don't like it. 704 00:33:48,234 --> 00:33:50,111 I'm so upset. I'm so freaked out. 705 00:33:50,194 --> 00:33:51,362 I need help. 706 00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:52,405 Wait, Rachel. 707 00:33:52,488 --> 00:33:54,115 No, you need to come on time. 708 00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:55,491 Wait, Rachel, Rachel. 709 00:33:55,575 --> 00:33:57,785 Stay right there, please. Excuse me, guys. 710 00:33:58,202 --> 00:33:59,203 Stay right there. 711 00:33:59,287 --> 00:34:00,747 -Hold it somebody. -I don't have time. 712 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,582 I'm not comfortable we're doing this one. 713 00:34:03,666 --> 00:34:04,751 We're not cutting hair. 714 00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:10,465 You're leaving? 715 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:11,591 10:30. Yeah. 716 00:34:11,674 --> 00:34:12,925 I'm just gonna pee. 717 00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:16,971 I don't care anymore. Let me go. 718 00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:23,978 -This look? -Yeah. 719 00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:25,897 I hate it. 720 00:34:26,355 --> 00:34:27,523 Why didn't you tell me? 721 00:34:27,815 --> 00:34:29,108 I needed to plan. 722 00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:30,193 I like it. 723 00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:33,071 The look is amazing, but it's not worked out properly. 724 00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:34,072 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 725 00:34:34,155 --> 00:34:35,239 And that's the thing, you know. 726 00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:37,492 All we have to do is spend a little time. 727 00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,161 It's like when you paint the house you have to dry paint. 728 00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:42,205 I'm from the land of clocks. 729 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:43,998 Switzerland. 730 00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:48,211 And Switzerland, in that day, was really conservative. 731 00:34:48,544 --> 00:34:51,464 I was to marry, have a bank account, a car and a house. 732 00:34:52,131 --> 00:34:55,218 It was sort of a very boxed in kind of a thing 733 00:34:55,301 --> 00:34:58,429 that I felt I had to be, uh, 734 00:34:58,513 --> 00:34:59,555 fit in to. 735 00:35:02,183 --> 00:35:03,267 I just know that 736 00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:06,270 if I left Switzerland, I would be able 737 00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:09,315 to find out more about who I am. 738 00:35:09,398 --> 00:35:11,442 I felt that if I stayed in Switzerland, 739 00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:12,777 I would be stifled 740 00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:14,195 with what you're supposed to be. 741 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:16,280 And I wanted to discover who I am. 742 00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:19,450 I knew that there was a lot more to life. 743 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:21,536 And I was not afraid to go out 744 00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:25,665 and find out what it's like to not be in the safety of what you know. 745 00:35:30,002 --> 00:35:32,171 My childhood was very straightforward. 746 00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:34,132 It was very safe. 747 00:35:34,423 --> 00:35:35,842 My childhood was very safe. 748 00:35:43,891 --> 00:35:46,227 Very present mother, mother that stayed home. 749 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:47,436 The father went to work. 750 00:35:57,029 --> 00:35:58,573 We're gonna go straight on. 751 00:35:58,656 --> 00:35:59,824 You're on 13, right? 752 00:36:00,366 --> 00:36:02,076 -Yeah. Yeah. -Yeah, keep going. 753 00:36:02,535 --> 00:36:04,245 And then, one day I came home, 754 00:36:04,328 --> 00:36:06,706 I don't remember if I was six or seven. 755 00:36:07,999 --> 00:36:11,961 And my mother was being whisked off in an ambulance. 756 00:36:12,628 --> 00:36:14,213 And I remember me and my sister, and my brother, 757 00:36:14,297 --> 00:36:17,383 we looked out of the window, my mother was taken away. 758 00:36:20,511 --> 00:36:21,679 She had TB, 759 00:36:21,804 --> 00:36:25,057 which was a kind of, already an unusual illness in those days. 760 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,312 I don't remember anybody sitting down really explaining. 761 00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:31,105 It was just like this perfect 762 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:33,941 weather, and then suddenly, a hurricane came. 763 00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:37,945 And my father was just kind of off in, like, la-la land. 764 00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:40,948 So we were at the mercy of these strangers, in a way. 765 00:36:41,741 --> 00:36:44,410 We had a woman that was taking care of us. 766 00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,454 That was a long time, two years. 767 00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:48,706 And, I think I had to grow up. 768 00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:49,790 That's when I grew up. 769 00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:52,251 Keep going, 770 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:55,171 where the red sign is over there. 771 00:36:56,964 --> 00:36:59,717 So what happened is, my father fell in love, 772 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,510 or was having an affair 773 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:03,971 with that woman, 774 00:37:04,388 --> 00:37:05,890 what the main person 775 00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:07,767 that was taking care of us. We didn't know. 776 00:37:09,435 --> 00:37:10,853 So, after my mother came back 777 00:37:10,937 --> 00:37:15,858 I guess, he was gonna cut it off with that woman. 778 00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:18,861 But she got pregnant. 779 00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:21,989 When it finally came out, 780 00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:25,243 my father said, "I have another child, 781 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:27,536 and another one on the way." 782 00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,123 It ended the family. 783 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:36,003 My father clearly was capable of living a double life. 784 00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:39,257 I kind of admired how well he did it. 785 00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:40,341 He really did it well. 786 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,985 Life... Living life is odd. 787 00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:02,238 You know, we have to go through all sorts of ways and types, 788 00:38:02,321 --> 00:38:03,739 ups and downs in life. 789 00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:05,783 And to get through it is, is... 790 00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:09,203 You know, to survive it and come out at the other end 791 00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:12,081 in a positive way, isn't always easy. 792 00:38:12,164 --> 00:38:14,625 You know, so, it's an art form. 793 00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:01,213 Where's the line? 794 00:39:01,422 --> 00:39:02,923 -Am I... 795 00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:04,592 No, where is everybody? 796 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,802 It's a fucking freeze-up, right? 797 00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:09,430 It's too cold. Is anybody here? 798 00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:11,390 Yeah. There are some people here. 799 00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:13,100 Yeah. No, that's not a good answer. 800 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:14,435 There are, it's early. 801 00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:34,080 -Go on and shake, shake, shake. 802 00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:35,748 -Have a good night. -Thank you. 803 00:40:08,322 --> 00:40:10,282 I went fairly regularly to Susanne's events 804 00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:11,575 when I was still in high school. 805 00:40:12,034 --> 00:40:14,370 Like this closeted gay kid from Afghanistan. 806 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:19,083 This world of technicolor suddenly just opened. 807 00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:25,548 That little scared outsider kid from Kabul via New Jersey. 808 00:40:25,631 --> 00:40:28,092 I'd get dressed up, and get on the bus 809 00:40:28,175 --> 00:40:29,760 and come to the Port Authority 810 00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:32,012 and make our way to the club. 811 00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:35,141 So we didn't have to hide. Just for one night. 812 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:40,563 That's exactly what Susanne's world was for me, 813 00:40:40,646 --> 00:40:42,148 and still continues to be. 814 00:40:43,315 --> 00:40:46,235 I had a few hours in which I could 815 00:40:46,694 --> 00:40:48,696 feel that extraordinary sense of freedom. 816 00:40:58,414 --> 00:40:59,832 Because we had cool looks 817 00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:01,792 Kenny would let us in right away. 818 00:41:03,752 --> 00:41:06,005 You can't dress like this and be the same. 819 00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:10,009 Shamans all over the world 820 00:41:10,217 --> 00:41:11,510 dress in costumes 821 00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:13,846 to bring out a different energy in themselves, 822 00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:15,764 so they can reach a different place. 823 00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,975 You put this on and then you put that on 824 00:41:18,058 --> 00:41:20,186 and the magnifying of the dress 825 00:41:20,269 --> 00:41:21,896 and the magnifying of the persona, 826 00:41:21,979 --> 00:41:23,981 it's just reaching a place where you 827 00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:26,567 feel your vulnerabilities are pushed 828 00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:28,194 to the back. 829 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,657 To me, it's about waking the subconscious, 830 00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:35,910 bringing things out. 831 00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:40,539 These are characters who just come to life with music. 832 00:41:46,253 --> 00:41:49,089 You just listen, you hear the music and you move to the beat. 833 00:41:50,883 --> 00:41:52,551 To me, it's like meditation. 834 00:41:55,971 --> 00:41:59,141 Be in the moment. Being in the moment is spiritual, 835 00:41:59,266 --> 00:42:02,478 an experience where you can completely 836 00:42:02,561 --> 00:42:08,776 transcend out of your body and just be part of people around you. 837 00:42:21,413 --> 00:42:22,414 You don't ask. 838 00:42:22,498 --> 00:42:24,917 But you realize people go through a lot. 839 00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:29,296 But that's what makes nightlife so special, is you can just escape from all that. 840 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:31,257 Be around people who get you, 841 00:42:31,340 --> 00:42:34,385 and support you and won't judge you. 842 00:42:36,804 --> 00:42:39,682 It's stil... is a safe place for people 843 00:42:39,765 --> 00:42:43,811 who feel like they have nowhere else that they belong. 844 00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:49,191 Back then we had to go to those places 845 00:42:49,441 --> 00:42:52,111 because it was the only way we could have this 846 00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:53,988 existential experience 847 00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:58,033 that we couldn't have at home or in the streets. 848 00:42:59,535 --> 00:43:00,995 There were all sorts of laws 849 00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:03,038 about how close men were allowed to stand. 850 00:43:03,205 --> 00:43:04,957 It was beyond human comprehension. 851 00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:06,875 'Cause before we had all these rights, 852 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,504 gay marriage, clubs were a safe meeting place 853 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:12,214 for gays to meet each other. 854 00:43:12,464 --> 00:43:15,384 Sex was a big element, way before 855 00:43:15,467 --> 00:43:17,636 social apps and all that stuff took over. 856 00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:20,889 You had to go out meet somebody in person to take them home. 857 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:25,561 Yeah, you knew you're at the right place 858 00:43:25,644 --> 00:43:28,188 if it was just about to be busted or just had been. 859 00:43:32,818 --> 00:43:35,237 There's still fun parties, like, and they feel wild. 860 00:43:35,362 --> 00:43:37,031 But there's something about that time. 861 00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:41,327 It just felt really free. 862 00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:28,040 Scientists at the National Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta 863 00:44:28,123 --> 00:44:30,417 today released the results of a study 864 00:44:30,542 --> 00:44:33,879 which shows that the lifestyle of some male homosexuals 865 00:44:34,296 --> 00:44:37,257 has triggered an epidemic of a rare form of cancer. 866 00:44:42,054 --> 00:44:43,681 Living in New York in the heart 867 00:44:43,764 --> 00:44:46,934 of the beginning of the AIDS epidemic as it kept mounting 868 00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:49,812 was a horrifying sci-fi movie. 869 00:44:51,814 --> 00:44:53,982 Somebody loses weight or somebody has a pimple, 870 00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:55,984 everybody was like, "Oh, she has it." 871 00:44:57,486 --> 00:44:59,530 We want to identify every person who is a carrier. 872 00:44:59,613 --> 00:45:02,032 We want to identify every possible way to stop them 873 00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:03,700 from spreading the disease. 874 00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:06,703 Klaus Nomi is the first person that I knew 875 00:45:06,912 --> 00:45:09,415 that was dying of AIDS. 876 00:45:09,498 --> 00:45:11,708 Going to visit him, it was crazy. 877 00:45:12,751 --> 00:45:13,794 When Klaus was at the hospital 878 00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:16,213 it was, like they'd found an alien from Area 51, 879 00:45:16,672 --> 00:45:18,966 all in plastic and covered up. 880 00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:22,553 They put me in a jump suit, and a mask, and helmet, and gloves 881 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,138 They said, "we don't know what this is." 882 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:26,557 And I walked in, 883 00:45:26,765 --> 00:45:28,475 took the gloves off, the jumpsuit, 884 00:45:28,892 --> 00:45:30,310 and I got him 885 00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:34,022 hugged him, held him, kissed him. 886 00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:36,358 And I could see the doctors banging on the window. 887 00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:39,611 If the only way to stop 'em, stop it, is quarantine people, 888 00:45:39,695 --> 00:45:41,447 I don't think there's any way around it. 889 00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:42,781 I think they're gonna have to do it. 890 00:45:42,906 --> 00:45:45,409 These people, they're not fit. They're not human beings. 891 00:45:45,492 --> 00:45:46,994 They have emotional problem. 892 00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:50,539 [man] Do they see him on the street, RuPaul? 893 00:45:50,622 --> 00:45:51,748 No. 894 00:45:54,376 --> 00:45:56,879 You're disgrace to the human race. You know that? 895 00:46:02,009 --> 00:46:04,511 Every day, you heard about somebody else who had died. 896 00:46:04,761 --> 00:46:06,889 Everybody was torn between grief 897 00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:10,601 and terror, and absolute rage at the government 898 00:46:10,684 --> 00:46:12,269 because President Reagan 899 00:46:12,352 --> 00:46:14,563 did not mention the word for years. 900 00:46:14,646 --> 00:46:15,481 Mr. Reagan said, 901 00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:17,065 "Prevention is better than a cure." 902 00:46:17,274 --> 00:46:20,235 Abstinence has been lacking in much of the education. 903 00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:23,614 Within my own community, 904 00:46:23,697 --> 00:46:25,240 you know, ballroom community, 905 00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:28,160 I started seeing how everybody was pushing away. 906 00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:30,287 Like, don't touch me, you know, like, 907 00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:31,872 they wouldn't eat from the same spoon. 908 00:46:31,955 --> 00:46:32,873 They wouldn't do anything. 909 00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:34,625 They don't want to breathe next to one another. 910 00:46:35,250 --> 00:46:36,710 You don't even know what to make of it. 911 00:46:36,793 --> 00:46:41,465 It was a creative holocaust on everyone that one knew. 912 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:47,846 Gary and Julio who lived here with me, 913 00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:49,473 they both died of AIDS. 914 00:46:49,556 --> 00:46:50,557 And... 915 00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:01,527 Uh, the names 916 00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:03,862 kept pouring and pouring. 917 00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:06,990 And I was just waiting for them to say my name. 918 00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:16,917 When I was personally diagnosed, 919 00:47:17,042 --> 00:47:18,961 I accepted it right there on the spot. 920 00:47:20,796 --> 00:47:23,131 The doctor only confirmed what I already knew. 921 00:47:23,257 --> 00:47:26,093 'Cause I felt I'm gay. I have AIDS. 922 00:47:27,177 --> 00:47:28,011 Without even knowing, 923 00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:32,683 I just felt like, you know, being gay is AIDS. 924 00:47:36,395 --> 00:47:38,480 The street kids at one point, rebounded. 925 00:47:39,856 --> 00:47:41,567 But I wasn't getting any help from anybody 926 00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,111 to say, "It's okay, we love you." 927 00:47:44,653 --> 00:47:46,572 Because they were going through the same thing. 928 00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:50,993 It was a dark, scary time. 929 00:47:51,326 --> 00:47:52,369 And I was depressed. 930 00:47:54,371 --> 00:47:56,582 One Sunday I went to house ball. 931 00:47:59,793 --> 00:48:02,296 I just wanted to go to a ball. I love the balls. 932 00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:03,589 And I went there. 933 00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:07,009 When she came out, of course, I'm like, you know... 934 00:48:07,175 --> 00:48:08,885 Excuse my expression. I'm like, "Who's this bitch?" 935 00:48:09,511 --> 00:48:12,014 You know, and then I found out that she was "the bitch." 936 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:15,559 So I'm like, "All right. That's cool." 937 00:48:17,894 --> 00:48:21,398 That community was very stricken by AIDS, especially. 938 00:48:22,232 --> 00:48:26,069 What can I do? I'm like, "Why don't I fight this fucking thing 939 00:48:26,153 --> 00:48:27,654 and do something about it?" 940 00:48:30,782 --> 00:48:34,244 Woke up the next day, and I just had this like vision of it. 941 00:48:35,245 --> 00:48:39,541 Why don't I use Harlem balls to raise money for AIDS? 942 00:48:40,042 --> 00:48:42,669 I might have to go to companies, corporations. 943 00:48:42,878 --> 00:48:45,088 And make them be a house for the night. 944 00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:48,884 Get companies to compete against each other. 945 00:48:50,052 --> 00:48:52,554 And the first person I called was Simon Doonan at Barneys 946 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:53,597 'cause I knew him well. 947 00:48:53,722 --> 00:48:56,016 She told me all about the Voguing Balls. 948 00:48:56,099 --> 00:48:59,144 And I didn't know about them. And I went to one with her. 949 00:48:59,394 --> 00:49:01,021 And she said, "This is the format." 950 00:49:01,104 --> 00:49:02,939 And then she put a committee together. 951 00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:05,651 Susanne sat down with me and said, "You know, 952 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:09,154 I've had this idea, and I think that, 953 00:49:09,529 --> 00:49:11,573 that we can take this 954 00:49:11,698 --> 00:49:14,826 and use it to really raise a tremendous amount of money 955 00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:16,578 for AIDS." 956 00:49:16,745 --> 00:49:18,955 And I was very curious because 957 00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:22,042 I just couldn't really see how that would ever happen. 958 00:49:31,009 --> 00:49:32,386 -How we doing? -Very well. 959 00:49:32,469 --> 00:49:34,054 -It's time to probably go through. -Fine. 960 00:49:36,765 --> 00:49:39,601 It just snowballed. Everybody was just going for it. 961 00:49:39,685 --> 00:49:41,978 Donna Karan, Watch Watch and Iman. 962 00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:44,314 We sold tables for $10,000. 963 00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:50,487 The wing commander, Bartsch, was ruthless and rigorous 964 00:49:50,612 --> 00:49:52,698 about everything must be donated. 965 00:49:52,781 --> 00:49:55,325 Preparations for the night began almost a year ago. 966 00:49:55,409 --> 00:49:58,995 And it's success relies on corporate and private sponsorship, 967 00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:03,250 as well as the free time donated by Bartsch and her troupe of volunteers. 968 00:50:03,583 --> 00:50:05,419 Vogue Ball Publicity. Good afternoon. 969 00:50:05,669 --> 00:50:07,838 It's helping me by 970 00:50:08,672 --> 00:50:13,176 easing the pain. Doing something about it makes me, like, feel better. 971 00:50:13,301 --> 00:50:16,555 I want the people to come together and have fun. 972 00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:19,433 Even though in memory of the people we've lost, 973 00:50:19,516 --> 00:50:21,518 and it's for the people who're suffering. 974 00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:23,270 We want them to know that we care. 975 00:50:25,897 --> 00:50:27,399 Live in New York, 976 00:50:27,774 --> 00:50:30,402 this is Fox News at Seven. 977 00:50:30,944 --> 00:50:33,530 Stars are coming out tonight for a big benefit 978 00:50:33,613 --> 00:50:35,157 to raise money to fight AIDS. 979 00:50:35,657 --> 00:50:38,243 But this is not your run-of-the-mill charity event. 980 00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:54,468 Things are just getting underway right, Amy? 981 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,636 Correct, Anne. This is the fashion industry's 982 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,347 hottest ticket in town. Madonna is supposed to be on her way. 983 00:50:59,431 --> 00:51:01,850 Naomi Campbell will be a judge tonight, we're told. 984 00:51:08,273 --> 00:51:10,192 Oh, and what a ball it will be. 985 00:51:14,279 --> 00:51:17,616 All of the Paris fashion scene is united here. 986 00:51:19,075 --> 00:51:20,744 Everybody is here. 987 00:51:24,664 --> 00:51:26,458 Michael, Michael, who's here? 988 00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:30,545 Yes, House of Delight has arrived at the Love Ball. 989 00:51:38,136 --> 00:51:40,764 The Love Ball combines the talent and creativity 990 00:51:40,847 --> 00:51:42,599 of some of the top fashion designers, 991 00:51:42,682 --> 00:51:45,435 with the outrageousness of New York City nightlife. 992 00:51:45,685 --> 00:51:48,688 What results is a visual feast mixing uptown, 993 00:51:48,772 --> 00:51:51,691 downtown, and, in many cases, way out of town. 994 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,237 It's wild. I think no one who's not here can expect what it is. 995 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,280 This is night-drag, you know. 996 00:51:57,531 --> 00:52:01,034 I'm just doing it 'cause everyone's brought all these people here, you know? 997 00:52:01,326 --> 00:52:04,830 The highlight of tonight's event is a fashion competition 998 00:52:05,038 --> 00:52:07,165 based on the Voguing Balls in Harlem. 999 00:52:07,916 --> 00:52:12,546 Although this scene looks frivolous, perhaps, to some people's eyes, 1000 00:52:12,671 --> 00:52:17,342 this is probably the most serious political action of our time. 1001 00:52:19,344 --> 00:52:22,013 Welcome to the fabulous Love Ball. 1002 00:52:54,713 --> 00:52:56,089 Donna Karan! 1003 00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:27,704 [Bartsch] We raised a lot of money. 1004 00:53:27,787 --> 00:53:33,877 I mean, we raised millions to give directly back to people suffering. 1005 00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:37,964 [Hector Xtravaganza] We were so accepted with such open arms. 1006 00:53:38,423 --> 00:53:41,468 When you're a underground kid and you're a street kid, 1007 00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:42,677 homeless kid, 1008 00:53:42,969 --> 00:53:45,263 and, you know, you open up fashion magazines. 1009 00:53:45,347 --> 00:53:47,140 You hear about these amazing designers. 1010 00:53:47,223 --> 00:53:49,643 Now you're in front of them, and they're loving you? 1011 00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:52,145 It's so surreal. 1012 00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:56,566 I needed that. I needed it. 1013 00:53:57,776 --> 00:54:00,904 Susanne, she played a lot of roles for me accepting 1014 00:54:01,613 --> 00:54:05,659 myself as being, um... HIV positive. 1015 00:54:05,742 --> 00:54:07,619 Because, you know, her Love Ball. 1016 00:54:14,167 --> 00:54:16,127 [Musto] When Susanne Bartsch took the stage, 1017 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:18,797 it really was an electric feeling in the room. 1018 00:54:18,922 --> 00:54:21,841 And everybody was just screaming their heads off for her. 1019 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,725 I felt like a transmitter, 1020 00:54:31,017 --> 00:54:33,895 the laugh and the energy from the audience. 1021 00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:37,565 I felt like it came through... and went back out 1022 00:54:37,649 --> 00:54:39,401 to them, it's amazing. 1023 00:55:02,090 --> 00:55:04,384 If you're still making the ball, I'm gonna scream at you. 1024 00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:07,387 This is for the braid hawk, the foundation. 1025 00:55:08,013 --> 00:55:10,557 -The braid hawk. -The long braid for Ronalto. 1026 00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:12,058 That's for tomorrow. 1027 00:55:12,142 --> 00:55:13,560 They're taking things. 1028 00:55:13,643 --> 00:55:15,770 Should I write it on the wall? 1029 00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:18,773 We're using the other ball. We don't have time anymore. 1030 00:55:20,025 --> 00:55:21,192 What do you think about that? 1031 00:55:21,693 --> 00:55:23,987 I think he needs solid lashes like Dom. 1032 00:55:24,070 --> 00:55:25,697 Like the one from home, I'm sorry. 1033 00:55:26,322 --> 00:55:28,366 It just looks like an afterthought. 1034 00:55:28,742 --> 00:55:29,909 But this has to be boom. 1035 00:55:31,619 --> 00:55:33,913 Do you know what I mean? We've to get all the lashes right. 1036 00:55:34,706 --> 00:55:37,709 No, this completely covers this eye and this does not. 1037 00:55:38,668 --> 00:55:40,462 This is definitely a no go, this hair. 1038 00:55:40,545 --> 00:55:42,172 It's like, "Shave me." 1039 00:55:44,049 --> 00:55:45,592 You're losing your mind. 1040 00:55:45,884 --> 00:55:46,926 Way better without. 1041 00:55:49,345 --> 00:55:52,015 So, I should just look at everyone that leaves town. 1042 00:55:52,307 --> 00:55:55,143 Look and make sure everything is on well. I'm worried. 1043 00:55:55,268 --> 00:55:57,187 This is anyway coming undone here. 1044 00:56:02,901 --> 00:56:04,611 So let me go put that on the disco comm. 1045 00:56:04,986 --> 00:56:07,906 Disco look, if we can get in. 1046 00:56:08,406 --> 00:56:09,741 I think this is gonna be good. 1047 00:56:10,158 --> 00:56:12,285 This is like a classic '80s. 1048 00:56:13,536 --> 00:56:15,497 Early '80s hairdo. 1049 00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:18,416 I actually wore that exactly like that. 1050 00:56:38,686 --> 00:56:41,022 When it's actually on display, like on the mannequin 1051 00:56:41,106 --> 00:56:43,858 it feels like my life is flashing in front of me. 1052 00:56:50,448 --> 00:56:51,574 People want a white wedding. 1053 00:56:51,658 --> 00:56:53,326 It wasn't my dream to have a white wedding. 1054 00:56:53,409 --> 00:56:55,745 It wasn't my dream to be married at all. 1055 00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:59,207 It wasn't my dream to have a family and children. It was just me 1056 00:56:59,916 --> 00:57:01,334 being me and living life 1057 00:57:01,417 --> 00:57:04,170 and if it comes, it comes and it came and it was perfect. 1058 00:57:19,227 --> 00:57:22,313 I don't if I ever even thought about getting married, but I knew I wanted to marry her. 1059 00:57:29,696 --> 00:57:32,699 I hated the idea of going and planning a wedding for two years, 1060 00:57:32,782 --> 00:57:34,826 an engagement and all that stuff. 1061 00:57:34,909 --> 00:57:36,369 It's too traditional for me. 1062 00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:40,582 I was doing this runway show called Inspiration. 1063 00:57:40,665 --> 00:57:42,292 It was sponsored by Playboy. 1064 00:57:42,375 --> 00:57:44,669 So what better sponsorship to have to get married? 1065 00:57:44,752 --> 00:57:48,131 So I said to David, "Let's just get married at end of the show, 1066 00:57:48,214 --> 00:57:49,674 and tell them it was a surprise." 1067 00:57:49,966 --> 00:57:51,759 And, he loved the idea. 1068 00:58:00,977 --> 00:58:04,063 I was crying when I saw Bailey walking down the aisle. 1069 00:58:04,856 --> 00:58:05,940 So cute 1070 00:58:06,024 --> 00:58:08,443 in his little three-piece suit 1071 00:58:08,526 --> 00:58:10,904 and his little curly... 1072 00:58:11,446 --> 00:58:12,655 head of hair 1073 00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:35,762 David, do you take Susanne 1074 00:58:35,845 --> 00:58:37,889 to be your lawful wedded wife? 1075 00:58:38,389 --> 00:58:40,975 As long as love lasts between the both of you? 1076 00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:49,108 Susanne, do you take David to be your lawful wedded husband? 1077 00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:52,153 As long as love shall last between the both of you? 1078 00:58:52,612 --> 00:58:53,446 Yes. 1079 00:59:01,204 --> 00:59:02,455 In a way, I was like, 1080 00:59:02,539 --> 00:59:04,832 "Look, we're doing the traditional thing, you know, getting married." 1081 00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:10,964 You know, I'm in my thong, and she's in her big giant like, egg-shaped veil. 1082 00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:31,067 Hey, fireman. 1083 00:59:31,526 --> 00:59:34,404 Look at him driving, wow! 1084 00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:38,032 I don't think we're gonna catch that fire. 1085 00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:47,959 -Hello. 1086 00:59:48,376 --> 00:59:51,879 This is a kid cam and let's have a look at me. 1087 00:59:52,213 --> 00:59:55,758 Hi, this is me, Bailey. 1088 00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:58,886 There must've been a moment where she was like, "Oh, wow!" 1089 00:59:59,095 --> 01:00:04,684 I’ve done it. I did what, you know, have, like, a nuclear family. 1090 01:00:05,101 --> 01:00:05,935 Um... 1091 01:00:06,477 --> 01:00:08,146 Of course, with a lot of bells and whistles. 1092 01:00:08,229 --> 01:00:09,522 -I'm here's my-- -Are you filming? 1093 01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:11,357 -Yeah. -Is it red? 1094 01:00:12,483 --> 01:00:14,319 -Cool. -And here's my mom. 1095 01:00:15,236 --> 01:00:17,739 And now, let's go to my room. 1096 01:00:18,531 --> 01:00:22,285 See my room. That's my loft bed. 1097 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:25,788 Growing up in the Chelsea was... 1098 01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:31,628 Full of the most colorful characters 1099 01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:35,798 that I have ever encountered, and probably ever will encounter. 1100 01:00:37,342 --> 01:00:38,843 People would just be in costumes 1101 01:00:38,926 --> 01:00:41,804 in the lobby and just kind of wander around lost. 1102 01:00:42,221 --> 01:00:43,431 It felt normal. 1103 01:00:43,556 --> 01:00:45,600 It felt like a big weird family. 1104 01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:48,936 But then, my friends would come over, 1105 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,064 and they'd see these people and like, "What's that?" 1106 01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:52,774 I just simply couldn't explain it. 1107 01:00:53,441 --> 01:00:56,944 It's like, "No, that's just him. He does that. 1108 01:00:57,236 --> 01:00:58,446 It's his life. 1109 01:00:58,988 --> 01:01:00,114 Fulfills him." 1110 01:01:00,823 --> 01:01:04,410 All of the satellites around my parents, 1111 01:01:04,494 --> 01:01:09,582 all his friends who didn't fit into any sort of box 1112 01:01:09,749 --> 01:01:12,669 were super sweet and familial to me. 1113 01:01:12,794 --> 01:01:14,921 And they kind of thought of me as like their own kid. 1114 01:01:18,841 --> 01:01:22,470 So, I had a lot of positive, loving 1115 01:01:22,887 --> 01:01:24,764 relationships with everyone 1116 01:01:24,972 --> 01:01:28,685 that seemed completely incapable 1117 01:01:28,768 --> 01:01:31,688 of these things almost, by the way you see them dress up. 1118 01:01:34,816 --> 01:01:37,318 I'm lucky that my parents met. 1119 01:01:37,443 --> 01:01:40,154 I'm lucky that they decided to keep the child 1120 01:01:40,238 --> 01:01:43,116 that they conceived supposedly on a beach in Miami. 1121 01:01:43,366 --> 01:01:46,452 They may not have been together a year before they conceived me. 1122 01:01:46,744 --> 01:01:48,913 And I know that keeping me was a decision. 1123 01:01:49,747 --> 01:01:52,583 A lot of head scratching and bitten lips. 1124 01:01:56,421 --> 01:02:01,008 My dad, a big cornerstone of his parenting technique, 1125 01:02:01,092 --> 01:02:07,181 was very much about being as honest with me as he possibly could be. 1126 01:02:08,224 --> 01:02:09,517 I know that... 1127 01:02:10,893 --> 01:02:12,353 my mother felt differently. 1128 01:02:12,478 --> 01:02:14,939 Like there were certain things that she really didn't want 1129 01:02:15,022 --> 01:02:16,524 him to be honest with me about. 1130 01:02:16,607 --> 01:02:20,236 My father struggles with addiction, with alcoholism. 1131 01:02:21,028 --> 01:02:23,656 My father wanted to tell me about it when I was very young. 1132 01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:25,366 Like, maybe I was six or seven. 1133 01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:28,286 And my mother was very against it. 1134 01:02:28,619 --> 01:02:32,123 ♪ Jingle bells, jingle bells Jingle all the way... ♪ 1135 01:02:32,290 --> 01:02:34,834 One lighter example, Santa Claus. 1136 01:02:35,793 --> 01:02:38,838 She really wanted me to think Santa was real. 1137 01:02:38,921 --> 01:02:40,798 Merry Christmas. 1138 01:02:41,716 --> 01:02:45,595 Wow! Look at those gifty-wifty. 1139 01:02:45,887 --> 01:02:48,514 Bailey, look, let's start opening 'em up, huh? 1140 01:02:51,476 --> 01:02:53,686 Yay! 1141 01:02:54,604 --> 01:02:56,814 You were right, Dad. 1142 01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:00,610 Hey, Little Mermaid. 1143 01:03:03,196 --> 01:03:04,238 Mom, look. 1144 01:03:04,322 --> 01:03:06,908 Oh, that's a human thing. 1145 01:03:06,991 --> 01:03:09,911 Let's ask Scuttle what it is. 1146 01:03:10,828 --> 01:03:13,164 Look how cute. 1147 01:03:18,252 --> 01:03:22,423 Look at Ariel, she just got out of the water. 1148 01:03:22,715 --> 01:03:25,259 Gender wasn't even really a consideration... 1149 01:03:26,469 --> 01:03:27,303 for my mother. 1150 01:03:28,054 --> 01:03:31,849 I didn't have to be defined 1151 01:03:32,517 --> 01:03:33,810 by the clothes I wore. 1152 01:03:34,018 --> 01:03:37,814 That definition would come out of myself, you know. 1153 01:03:38,231 --> 01:03:39,649 Something deeper than that. 1154 01:03:44,278 --> 01:03:46,155 When you're shamed at a young age, 1155 01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:48,074 can you really ever get to the point 1156 01:03:48,157 --> 01:03:50,493 where you really accept yourself? 1157 01:03:52,578 --> 01:03:54,413 I don't know. That's a big question. 1158 01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:59,961 There was a guy in the town who was mentally slow. 1159 01:04:00,753 --> 01:04:02,797 And he used to ring the bell 1160 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,674 when the water would be turned off. 1161 01:04:04,757 --> 01:04:06,425 The water was often turned off. 1162 01:04:06,717 --> 01:04:08,928 Or, if there was a fire, he would ring the bell. 1163 01:04:09,011 --> 01:04:10,596 And everybody in the town, 1164 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,681 all the kids in the town 1165 01:04:11,764 --> 01:04:14,183 got him to ring the bell when I would leave the house. 1166 01:04:14,725 --> 01:04:16,894 And say the queer is on the street. 1167 01:04:16,978 --> 01:04:18,229 The queer is on the street. 1168 01:04:23,568 --> 01:04:25,069 I grew up in Virginia. 1169 01:04:25,236 --> 01:04:28,698 It was very secluded. I thought like I lived in a bubble. 1170 01:04:31,617 --> 01:04:33,202 I was raised Southern Baptist. 1171 01:04:33,286 --> 01:04:35,079 I hitchhiked to New York after college. 1172 01:04:35,162 --> 01:04:36,414 It was an act of rebellion, 1173 01:04:36,497 --> 01:04:38,249 because my parents forbid me to go. 1174 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:40,543 I was living in, like, 1175 01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:43,045 a $4 a night 1176 01:04:43,796 --> 01:04:46,465 men's shelter for a while. 1177 01:04:47,717 --> 01:04:49,343 I was doing anything just to be here. 1178 01:04:49,969 --> 01:04:52,305 I never felt like myself. 1179 01:04:52,471 --> 01:04:55,433 There wasn't a single gay person that I knew of. 1180 01:04:55,683 --> 01:04:58,519 I didn't have any references. 1181 01:05:00,646 --> 01:05:02,857 I was clueless about the culture. 1182 01:05:04,108 --> 01:05:05,693 I didn't even know there were gays. 1183 01:05:06,652 --> 01:05:08,070 Yeah, how about you come up tonight 1184 01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:09,906 I want you to get up here as fast as you can. 1185 01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:11,782 -Is that your mother? -Yeah. 1186 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:13,618 It was a time when, 1187 01:05:13,951 --> 01:05:15,661 um, growing up, 1188 01:05:15,745 --> 01:05:17,955 a queer in America was not easy. 1189 01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:21,626 My mother and my grandmother were so totally supportive. 1190 01:05:21,959 --> 01:05:24,921 It was just never an issue. And it was something which-- 1191 01:05:25,004 --> 01:05:26,505 I don't know if I realized, 1192 01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:29,008 at the time, how important it was. 1193 01:05:29,091 --> 01:05:31,802 But it just made my life so much easier. 1194 01:05:32,011 --> 01:05:34,597 Being closeted is a really profound journey 1195 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,142 of isolation and just a fear and self-loathing. 1196 01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:41,312 You just can't believe to yourself 1197 01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:44,690 that you put yourself through that for 37 years. 1198 01:05:45,608 --> 01:05:48,069 Oh, people have always assumed that I was gay. 1199 01:05:48,527 --> 01:05:50,655 At some point in a straight relationship, 1200 01:05:50,738 --> 01:05:52,114 because I'm straight. 1201 01:05:52,531 --> 01:05:53,991 The question becomes, 1202 01:05:54,408 --> 01:05:55,618 "Well, everybody thinks you're gay. 1203 01:05:55,701 --> 01:05:56,702 Are you gay?" 1204 01:05:57,662 --> 01:06:00,831 In some ways, I feel like it would be easier if I was gay. 1205 01:06:01,457 --> 01:06:04,460 Because, then at least it would be straightforward. 1206 01:06:04,669 --> 01:06:06,879 People would say, "Okay, you're a homosexual man." 1207 01:06:07,088 --> 01:06:08,965 This is what you do. That makes sense. 1208 01:06:09,173 --> 01:06:11,342 But no, with me, it's a whiplash. 1209 01:06:15,346 --> 01:06:18,265 People think that, you know, we're, like, kinky people or something. 1210 01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:21,102 We're a married monogamous couple 1211 01:06:21,185 --> 01:06:23,980 that has sex with each other only. 1212 01:06:24,063 --> 01:06:24,897 That's all we want. 1213 01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,610 A man should be able to wear more clothes. 1214 01:06:29,694 --> 01:06:31,320 A man should be able to wear makeup. 1215 01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:33,656 Gender is learned. 1216 01:06:34,281 --> 01:06:35,992 All these things that we learn, 1217 01:06:36,075 --> 01:06:38,244 people have talked for years, and years and years and years. 1218 01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:40,246 Gender is a construct. 1219 01:06:40,329 --> 01:06:42,039 You can play with that construct 1220 01:06:42,164 --> 01:06:43,874 or you can break that construct. 1221 01:06:44,291 --> 01:06:46,252 Actually, a huge part of what I do, 1222 01:06:47,336 --> 01:06:52,383 is sort of, in response to how men show themselves. 1223 01:06:52,758 --> 01:06:54,844 The box that we put ourselves into, 1224 01:06:54,927 --> 01:06:57,179 allow ourselves to be placed into, 1225 01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,724 I've always found insulting, 1226 01:07:00,474 --> 01:07:02,643 sad, limited, 1227 01:07:03,394 --> 01:07:05,104 um, and pathetic. 1228 01:07:05,396 --> 01:07:07,773 You know, men are afraid to be seen as homosexual. 1229 01:07:08,482 --> 01:07:10,693 Try wearing a pink suit down the street. 1230 01:07:10,943 --> 01:07:14,739 Just a suit, a nice fitted designer suit 1231 01:07:15,448 --> 01:07:16,615 that's baby pink. 1232 01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:18,784 And se what people say. 1233 01:07:19,368 --> 01:07:20,494 Most men wouldn't do that. 1234 01:07:20,786 --> 01:07:23,080 Just 'cause of the fucking color. 1235 01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:25,624 Everybody out, let's go! 1236 01:07:25,708 --> 01:07:28,335 I had over 100 felonies. 1237 01:07:28,794 --> 01:07:31,213 Even though all the felonies 1238 01:07:31,297 --> 01:07:33,799 were because I was a man in a dress. 1239 01:07:34,550 --> 01:07:38,054 And even though all the felonies were given to me by another man 1240 01:07:38,137 --> 01:07:39,180 in a dress. 1241 01:07:40,473 --> 01:07:42,892 His dress was black and mine was gawdy. 1242 01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:45,186 So I got the felony. 1243 01:07:47,605 --> 01:07:51,150 One of my friends took me to a bar that had a drag queen 1244 01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:53,986 singing, and I was so 1245 01:07:54,612 --> 01:07:57,573 bothered by it, I think, I don't know. 1246 01:07:58,074 --> 01:08:00,201 Because it just, it felt so... 1247 01:08:00,618 --> 01:08:03,120 At the time, unnatural. I'd never seen anything like that. 1248 01:08:03,204 --> 01:08:04,538 So I just was like, 1249 01:08:04,622 --> 01:08:07,833 "What is this, like, what?" I couldn't like figure it out. 1250 01:08:09,418 --> 01:08:12,922 There was something about them that was similar to me 1251 01:08:13,297 --> 01:08:14,548 deep down. 1252 01:08:15,216 --> 01:08:17,176 My character, my persona 1253 01:08:17,802 --> 01:08:20,596 is neither female or male. 1254 01:08:21,263 --> 01:08:24,767 It's just something or some kind of character. 1255 01:08:25,601 --> 01:08:30,231 And when I go out into clubs, people come up, "Oh, we love you, what are you?" 1256 01:08:30,731 --> 01:08:33,692 And I'm like, "When you figure that out, write me a letter, dear." 1257 01:08:34,527 --> 01:08:36,612 But the young kids come up and they say, 1258 01:08:36,695 --> 01:08:38,447 "We love you 1259 01:08:38,906 --> 01:08:40,658 because you're not trying to identify." 1260 01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:52,795 All of these labels can't really define anybody. 1261 01:08:58,926 --> 01:09:01,053 Who is Kenny? You know, 1262 01:09:01,512 --> 01:09:04,431 this boy that doesn't do boyish things. 1263 01:09:04,557 --> 01:09:07,643 This overly-sensitive child... 1264 01:09:08,811 --> 01:09:11,772 who is definitely not fitting into the world 1265 01:09:11,856 --> 01:09:13,732 that he was born into. 1266 01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:17,444 I think if people didn't 1267 01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:19,363 put limitations on each other, 1268 01:09:19,488 --> 01:09:21,157 that would be utopia. 1269 01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:23,951 I mean, that would be perfection. 1270 01:09:25,744 --> 01:09:28,747 In Susanne's parties, I think, people are fluid. 1271 01:09:28,831 --> 01:09:32,084 There isn't a clear, "You're gay, you're straight 1272 01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:34,837 you're this, you're that, you're a man, you're a woman." 1273 01:09:34,962 --> 01:09:36,088 And she wants that. 1274 01:09:36,213 --> 01:09:38,507 She encourages people to say, 1275 01:09:38,841 --> 01:09:40,593 "What are you? Express it. 1276 01:09:40,718 --> 01:09:43,053 What are you today? Express that." 1277 01:09:43,345 --> 01:09:46,265 That's what Susanne is, and always has been about. 1278 01:09:46,682 --> 01:09:49,393 And in some small way, 1279 01:09:49,476 --> 01:09:51,312 or, in some cases, a major way, 1280 01:09:51,395 --> 01:09:53,522 that influence is from the ground up, 1281 01:09:53,772 --> 01:09:56,567 how the world turns, challenging the normal, 1282 01:09:56,775 --> 01:10:00,237 confronting it, but in a way that's only fun. 1283 01:10:00,446 --> 01:10:01,822 That is beautiful. 1284 01:10:05,826 --> 01:10:08,495 To the people that say that we're freaks, 1285 01:10:09,747 --> 01:10:10,956 I would say, 1286 01:10:12,791 --> 01:10:14,668 everybody's mama raised them different. 1287 01:10:16,253 --> 01:10:18,631 You look cute, Bailey Bailey. What are you doing? 1288 01:10:38,442 --> 01:10:39,401 Get in there. 1289 01:10:53,999 --> 01:10:56,043 Oh, fuck. 1290 01:11:17,398 --> 01:11:19,233 There's nothing in here. 1291 01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:21,151 When it rains 1292 01:11:21,443 --> 01:11:23,487 the water is running down to here 1293 01:11:23,696 --> 01:11:25,864 -and it always comes... -It's wet right there. 1294 01:11:27,241 --> 01:11:28,075 Yeah. 1295 01:11:28,158 --> 01:11:30,744 It is, you know, I seem to have a hard time 1296 01:11:30,828 --> 01:11:32,121 -coming here. Now, I'm... -I know. 1297 01:11:32,204 --> 01:11:34,331 -If I come, I have to be coming on my own. -Yeah. 1298 01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:35,791 Which is gonna be a little bit, like, 1299 01:11:35,874 --> 01:11:37,167 I don't know. I have to get used to it. 1300 01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:44,925 We got this house, 1301 01:11:45,259 --> 01:11:50,139 like a little oasis for our superscented new life together. 1302 01:12:03,068 --> 01:12:05,070 You know, I didn't want a broken family 1303 01:12:05,154 --> 01:12:07,197 because, you know, in the end, my family was broken too. 1304 01:12:07,281 --> 01:12:09,408 And that was the base thing I don't think that would repeat. 1305 01:12:13,912 --> 01:12:16,957 I heard myself talk. 1306 01:12:27,551 --> 01:12:30,012 -There's my husband. 1307 01:12:31,805 --> 01:12:33,766 This is great footage, right? 1308 01:12:39,897 --> 01:12:42,441 Helen, maybe you could also do the neck. 1309 01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:45,569 While you are at it. Look how much I have. 1310 01:12:48,155 --> 01:12:50,240 I love it, doctor. That's what I need. 1311 01:12:50,657 --> 01:12:51,492 Okay? 1312 01:12:56,789 --> 01:12:58,916 Make an old bag look like 20. 1313 01:13:16,183 --> 01:13:18,310 I didn't have a good job, if you were asking. 1314 01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:20,312 'Cause a breast fell and everything. 1315 01:13:20,938 --> 01:13:24,525 I remember a moment when I was separated I was like, "Oh, the boobs." 1316 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:27,569 A bit of a pride there. 1317 01:13:28,904 --> 01:13:31,532 I had my eyelids done. 1318 01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:34,493 In 19, what, 2000 something. 1319 01:13:34,743 --> 01:13:37,996 My eyes were really droopy, my lids. So, I had the lids done. 1320 01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:49,049 Certainly I'm single. And I'm not 18 anymore. I'm like, "Oops." 1321 01:13:55,305 --> 01:13:56,765 It's something I didn't wanna experience. 1322 01:13:56,849 --> 01:13:58,517 But I'm experiencing it now. 1323 01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:10,404 It's a bit more than splitting up and being single, 1324 01:14:10,487 --> 01:14:12,072 the kid left too. 1325 01:14:13,866 --> 01:14:16,201 Many years of your life to raise a child 1326 01:14:16,285 --> 01:14:18,912 and that son is grown up and he goes off. 1327 01:14:22,666 --> 01:14:25,210 I think what's aging fast with people 1328 01:14:25,294 --> 01:14:27,880 and I noticed that they sort of give up. 1329 01:14:27,963 --> 01:14:29,631 I noticed some people give up. 1330 01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:35,554 And, I hate the idea of not having the energy that I'm used to, 1331 01:14:36,555 --> 01:14:38,974 the drive to make all the things work. 1332 01:14:39,057 --> 01:14:40,225 Because when I do an event, 1333 01:14:40,309 --> 01:14:42,352 it's every time it's like a new play. 1334 01:14:42,436 --> 01:14:44,605 You do all this work and then you have to start all over. 1335 01:14:44,688 --> 01:14:47,024 Poof, it's gone. Can't repeat it. It's done. 1336 01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:52,988 A moment in the night in everyone's life, 1337 01:14:53,071 --> 01:14:55,741 that moment, are they gonna show up? 1338 01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:59,536 Are they gonna like it? I don't wanna have a flop. 1339 01:15:02,164 --> 01:15:04,625 Divine died young. That was a good idea. 1340 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,335 Just kidding. 1341 01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:11,381 There's something to dying when you're active. 1342 01:15:11,465 --> 01:15:12,925 I don't wanna die when I'm at home. 1343 01:15:13,008 --> 01:15:14,510 Because no one will know me anymore. 1344 01:15:14,593 --> 01:15:16,428 I don't want Bailey to worry about me. 1345 01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:18,722 And as he gets any sense of me, 1346 01:15:18,805 --> 01:15:20,432 he knows I lived a life, 1347 01:15:20,516 --> 01:15:21,975 and I did things that... 1348 01:15:23,185 --> 01:15:25,145 I laughed, and that inspired me 1349 01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:26,897 and in turn, I hope it inspires him. 1350 01:15:31,068 --> 01:15:33,529 Maybe I don't tell her I'm proud of her enough. 1351 01:15:33,654 --> 01:15:35,781 Because I am super proud of her. 1352 01:15:36,198 --> 01:15:40,786 It's tough to ask ourselves, "What have we done? 1353 01:15:40,994 --> 01:15:42,788 What has been our contribution? 1354 01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:44,623 Has it all been worth it?" 1355 01:15:45,999 --> 01:15:49,545 Her contributions to the world happen late at night 1356 01:15:49,628 --> 01:15:51,213 and it's like dust in the wind. 1357 01:15:52,756 --> 01:15:55,634 I would certainly say that she has been successful. 1358 01:15:56,134 --> 01:15:59,012 But I don't know if she feels that way. 1359 01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:32,963 -Hi, how are you? -I brought you flowers. 1360 01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:35,299 -Congratulations. -Oh, thank you. 1361 01:16:35,382 --> 01:16:37,342 It's your big day. I feel like you're getting married. 1362 01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:39,595 -I'm gonna try it. 1363 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,097 That was not a big day, me getting married. 1364 01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:44,891 -I'm not like you. Planning the wedding. 1365 01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:48,186 I feel like, I feel emotional. 1366 01:16:49,938 --> 01:16:51,106 It's not good with makeup. 1367 01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:53,317 Keep the mascara light. 1368 01:17:39,738 --> 01:17:40,822 Hi. 1369 01:17:42,949 --> 01:17:44,534 -It's up? -Yeah that's right. 1370 01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:55,087 You like it, right? Oops, it's stuck. 1371 01:18:08,725 --> 01:18:11,269 I like it. All right, what do you think? 1372 01:18:11,353 --> 01:18:13,021 Yeah. Everybody's happy for you. 1373 01:18:31,206 --> 01:18:33,959 Oh, my God! Oh, my God! 1374 01:18:35,377 --> 01:18:36,712 -You like it? -Yeah. 1375 01:18:38,588 --> 01:18:40,006 I love you, Susanne. 1376 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,221 -Did you see it? -I'm going right now. 1377 01:18:46,304 --> 01:18:47,973 Oh, go. Let me know what you think. 1378 01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:51,143 -Did you see the exhibition? -Not yet. 1379 01:18:51,268 --> 01:18:53,228 Go see. I wanna see what you think. Go. 1380 01:18:55,230 --> 01:18:56,898 Susanne! 1381 01:19:01,778 --> 01:19:04,281 Oh, my god. Have you seen it yet? 1382 01:19:04,364 --> 01:19:07,367 -No, I just got here. -Go, I want your opinion. 1383 01:19:11,872 --> 01:19:14,499 -Did you see the exhibition? -Not really. 1384 01:19:37,481 --> 01:19:39,566 Tonight we're about nostalgia 1385 01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:42,027 and celebrating the past, but we're looking forward. 1386 01:19:44,154 --> 01:19:46,990 [Bartsch] It's about-- It's about now. 1387 01:19:47,115 --> 01:19:50,076 Tonight is about right now. It's like people come and they're wondering 1388 01:19:50,327 --> 01:19:52,996 is this the right place? Oh, there's a celebrity over there. 1389 01:19:53,079 --> 01:19:55,165 It's like the moment is here. 1390 01:19:55,874 --> 01:19:59,252 I find a little bit of that dressing and I'd save the impulse and the adventure. 1391 01:19:59,336 --> 01:20:00,629 You don't really know... 1392 01:20:01,129 --> 01:20:02,297 Very nice. 1393 01:20:02,380 --> 01:20:03,673 Okay. 1394 01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:26,029 Oh, my god, Bailey, I miss you. Oops. 1395 01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:31,952 I wish you were here. It's really nice. 1396 01:20:32,285 --> 01:20:33,703 It's really nice. 1397 01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:37,249 You're why I'm doing this. 1398 01:20:37,582 --> 01:20:39,876 I mean, yes, you are. 1399 01:20:40,001 --> 01:20:41,461 Yes, you are. 1400 01:20:42,212 --> 01:20:44,965 You are, you are. You give me a purpose. 1401 01:20:45,090 --> 01:20:47,342 You give me a purpose to leave a legacy. 1402 01:20:47,509 --> 01:20:50,053 I love you so much. Good night, monkey. 1403 01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:51,721 Come here. Bailey's on the phone. 1404 01:20:52,389 --> 01:20:53,515 -Hi, monkey. -Susanne? 1405 01:21:01,398 --> 01:21:04,693 Are you coming to the after party? 1406 01:21:05,193 --> 01:21:06,903 No, I'm too old. 1407 01:21:09,573 --> 01:21:11,616 I know that. I know that feeling. 1408 01:21:22,085 --> 01:21:23,753 Yeah, I think time's actually flying. 1409 01:21:24,170 --> 01:21:25,338 I mean, it's just... 1410 01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:29,050 Really. Doesn't everybody? 1411 01:21:30,510 --> 01:21:33,388 Isn't it the fast time? Life's gotten fast. 1412 01:22:40,664 --> 01:22:43,416 -Okay, let's cut the fucking... -Yeah. 1413 01:23:41,891 --> 01:23:43,893 Oh, my god. 1414 01:25:57,902 --> 01:26:00,655 That's it, babe. [laughs] Good night. 100541

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