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00:01:35,747 --> 00:01:38,315 around the world, the so-called Panama Papers. 18 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:41,623 ♪♪ 19 00:01:41,666 --> 00:01:43,364 NEWS REPORTER 2: What may be the largest leak of secret documents 20 00:01:43,407 --> 00:01:44,321 in history. 21 00:01:44,365 --> 00:01:47,150 ♪♪ 22 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:49,109 NEWS REPORTER 3: Massive document leak allegedly showing 23 00:01:49,152 --> 00:01:51,763 how world leaders and the mega-rich hide billions 24 00:01:51,807 --> 00:01:52,764 of dollars. 25 00:01:52,808 --> 00:01:55,854 ♪♪ 26 00:01:55,898 --> 00:01:58,466 NEWS REPORTER 4: A new report which finds eight billionaires 27 00:01:58,509 --> 00:02:01,947 own as much wealth as the poorest half of the 28 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:02,861 world's population. 29 00:02:02,905 --> 00:02:05,473 ♪♪ 30 00:02:05,516 --> 00:02:07,431 NEWS REPORTER 5: The papers paint a picture of wide-spread 31 00:02:07,475 --> 00:02:08,954 corruption and tax evasion. 32 00:02:08,998 --> 00:02:12,610 ♪♪ 33 00:02:12,654 --> 00:02:14,134 NEWS REPORTER 6: Now we have journalists stepping in, 34 00:02:14,177 --> 00:02:16,440 trying to tear down those barriers of secrecy and exposing 35 00:02:16,484 --> 00:02:18,312 what is happening behind closed doors. 36 00:02:18,355 --> 00:02:20,923 ♪♪ 37 00:02:20,966 --> 00:02:22,968 NEWS REPORTER 7: The revelation now kicking off a 38 00:02:23,012 --> 00:02:23,882 world-wide investigation. 39 00:02:23,926 --> 00:02:27,103 ♪♪ 40 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:28,626 NEWS REPORTER 8: The whole issue here is about secrecy. 41 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:31,499 People can create shell corporations and secretly move 42 00:02:31,542 --> 00:02:32,456 money around. 43 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:34,980 ♪♪ 44 00:02:35,024 --> 00:02:36,634 NEWS REPORTER 9: World-wide estimates suggest tens of 45 00:02:36,678 --> 00:02:39,071 trillions of dollars are hidden in off-shore accounts. 46 00:02:39,115 --> 00:02:42,814 ♪♪ 47 00:02:42,858 --> 00:02:44,729 NEWS REPORTER 10: What's really shocking is the fact that twelve 48 00:02:44,773 --> 00:02:48,080 current or former heads of state are being accused in 49 00:02:48,124 --> 00:02:49,038 these papers. 50 00:02:49,081 --> 00:02:52,128 ♪♪ 51 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:53,912 NEWS REPORTER 11: A journalist investigating the Panama Papers 52 00:02:53,956 --> 00:02:56,567 has been killed, sending other journalists into hiding for fear 53 00:02:56,611 --> 00:02:57,568 of their safety. 54 00:02:57,612 --> 00:03:01,093 ♪♪ 55 00:03:01,137 --> 00:03:03,008 NEWS REPORTER 12: The law firm is denying any wrongdoing, 56 00:03:03,052 --> 00:03:05,750 but this scandal, the Panama Papers, 57 00:03:05,794 --> 00:03:06,751 is just beginning. 58 00:03:06,795 --> 00:03:21,505 [machinery noises] 59 00:03:23,986 --> 00:03:28,730 ♪♪ 60 00:03:39,654 --> 00:03:41,743 ♪♪ 61 00:03:41,786 --> 00:03:45,660 JOHN: My viewpoint is entirely my own. 62 00:03:45,703 --> 00:03:49,707 Income inequality is one of the defining issues of our time. 63 00:03:49,751 --> 00:03:53,581 It affects all of us, the world over. 64 00:03:53,624 --> 00:03:55,974 Still, questions remain. 65 00:03:56,018 --> 00:03:57,019 Why? 66 00:03:57,062 --> 00:03:59,326 And why now? 67 00:03:59,369 --> 00:04:01,153 The Panama Papers provide a compelling answer to 68 00:04:01,197 --> 00:04:02,764 these questions. 69 00:04:02,807 --> 00:04:05,941 Massive, pervasive corruption. 70 00:04:05,984 --> 00:04:08,987 It's not a coincidence that the answers come from a law firm. 71 00:04:09,031 --> 00:04:13,122 Mossack Fonseca used its influence to write and bend laws 72 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:17,344 worldwide to favor the interest of criminals over a period 73 00:04:17,387 --> 00:04:19,433 of decades. 74 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:29,486 ♪♪ 75 00:04:29,530 --> 00:04:34,709 ♪♪ 76 00:04:34,752 --> 00:04:36,885 BASTIAN: In the first day and the first days, 77 00:04:36,928 --> 00:04:41,846 it was so fascinating because this window in our world opened 78 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:46,851 where nobody had ever looked in. 79 00:04:46,895 --> 00:04:48,331 I always wanted to write. 80 00:04:48,375 --> 00:04:50,855 Um, I wanted to become a novelist, 81 00:04:50,899 --> 00:04:55,599 but that didn't really work out, so I intended to become a 82 00:04:55,643 --> 00:04:57,079 sports writer. 83 00:04:57,122 --> 00:04:59,560 And that also didn't work out, and here I am, so... 84 00:04:59,603 --> 00:05:00,387 [laughs] 85 00:05:06,044 --> 00:05:09,526 BASTIAN: Well, I think it's, um, more or less the defense for 86 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:12,268 injustice in some way. 87 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:15,706 We founded our own paper in Rosenheim, 88 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:18,709 where I come from, because we had the feeling that all the 89 00:05:18,753 --> 00:05:23,932 media there are very much right-wing orientated and that 90 00:05:23,975 --> 00:05:26,630 your important stories are not really told. 91 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:33,071 The fact that the data of Mossack Fonseca, 92 00:05:33,115 --> 00:05:36,336 which I knew as a black hole. 93 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:38,729 They work with all kinds of criminals. 94 00:05:38,773 --> 00:05:41,253 You know, they all hold the information that people who want 95 00:05:41,297 --> 00:05:43,691 to keep their secrets put in there to disappear from 96 00:05:43,734 --> 00:05:45,127 the public. 97 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:47,695 So I knew the company, and I thought, 98 00:05:47,738 --> 00:05:50,872 you know, this guy has access to the inner stuff of 99 00:05:50,915 --> 00:05:52,308 Mossack Fonseca. 100 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,658 I'm the guy who wants to have it. 101 00:05:54,702 --> 00:05:56,617 [laughs] 102 00:06:18,116 --> 00:06:20,728 KATRIN: Mossack Fonseca is a law firm from Panama, 103 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:24,993 and their business is secrecy. 104 00:06:25,036 --> 00:06:27,299 If you have about a thousand euros, 105 00:06:27,343 --> 00:06:28,910 you can buy an offshore company, it's quite easy, 106 00:06:28,953 --> 00:06:31,347 and then you can even buy, like, 107 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:35,307 shame directors which means that all the business you do, 108 00:06:35,351 --> 00:06:38,876 someone else is signing, someone else is "doing the business". 109 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,140 So no one actually knows that you own stuff, 110 00:06:42,184 --> 00:06:44,186 and you can hide all your businesses. 111 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:45,927 [typing] 112 00:06:45,970 --> 00:06:49,452 There's a world that is only accessible for the powerful and 113 00:06:49,496 --> 00:06:51,976 the richest, where they hide their money, 114 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:54,849 where they enable money laundering, 115 00:06:54,892 --> 00:06:58,243 corruption, and actually, the plundering of all continents. 116 00:06:58,287 --> 00:07:04,206 NEWS REPORTER 13: Since 2015, the richest one percent have 117 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:07,514 been more wealthy than the rest of the world's 118 00:07:07,557 --> 00:07:09,341 population combined. 119 00:07:09,385 --> 00:07:12,693 Now Oxfam says the poorest 10% have seen their income increase 120 00:07:12,736 --> 00:07:18,960 by less than $3 a year between 1988 and 2011. 121 00:07:19,003 --> 00:07:22,137 BASTIAN: If we have streets that are in not a good condition, 122 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:26,184 if we do not have enough preschool places or good schools 123 00:07:26,228 --> 00:07:29,492 or if we do have to pay too much money for universities, 124 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:32,190 that is due to the fact that there's so many people out there 125 00:07:32,234 --> 00:07:35,324 that are avoiding and evading taxes. 126 00:07:35,367 --> 00:07:38,240 That's a problem that is concerning every country all 127 00:07:38,283 --> 00:07:40,111 around the world, and every one of us. 128 00:07:40,155 --> 00:07:49,817 ♪♪ 129 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:52,210 BASTIAN: In the first days, it didn't seem like this is the 130 00:07:52,254 --> 00:07:56,824 biggest leak in history of journalism. 131 00:07:56,867 --> 00:07:59,566 It only was, this seems to be a really good story. 132 00:08:01,568 --> 00:08:04,701 FREDERIK: The amount of data that Bastian and me received 133 00:08:04,745 --> 00:08:05,789 grew and grew. 134 00:08:05,833 --> 00:08:07,878 It was really like an addiction. 135 00:08:07,922 --> 00:08:10,664 I spent night and day clicking through the data. 136 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:12,361 [background chatter] 137 00:08:12,404 --> 00:08:16,408 FREDERIK: When we then found the first names of heads of state 138 00:08:16,452 --> 00:08:20,021 heads of government. 139 00:08:20,064 --> 00:08:22,023 We found, you know, the best friend of Vladimir Putin. 140 00:08:22,066 --> 00:08:27,768 We found the Icelandic Prime Minister. 141 00:08:27,811 --> 00:08:30,553 Even celebrities. 142 00:08:30,597 --> 00:08:32,163 We always found something that I thought this is really 143 00:08:32,207 --> 00:08:33,687 worth reporting. 144 00:08:37,386 --> 00:08:41,172 If you find money tied to Bashar Al-Assad, 145 00:08:41,216 --> 00:08:44,567 and to Vladimir Putin, and to other dictators, 146 00:08:44,611 --> 00:08:49,790 then you somehow have the feeling maybe it's not a good 147 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:51,443 idea that only I know. 148 00:08:51,487 --> 00:08:53,402 Some colleagues asked us, actually, 149 00:08:53,445 --> 00:08:56,057 are you crazy sharing a scoop? 150 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,321 Giving away something our newspaper could have alone? 151 00:08:59,364 --> 00:09:04,456 But by sharing, we enabled this investigation to be something 152 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:07,024 big and to make our investigations better. 153 00:09:07,068 --> 00:09:12,813 ♪♪ 154 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:15,859 FREDERIK: So we reached out to the ICIJ in Washington and 155 00:09:15,903 --> 00:09:17,121 tracked the data. 156 00:09:22,953 --> 00:09:25,086 MARINA: ICIJ was created 20 years ago, 157 00:09:25,129 --> 00:09:29,612 and we can say that its mission is to defeat the traditional 158 00:09:29,656 --> 00:09:35,270 model of the lone wolf investigative reporter. 159 00:09:35,313 --> 00:09:39,187 The lone wolf investigative reporter is all for herself or 160 00:09:39,230 --> 00:09:43,626 himself, and so ICIJ was created as a network of investigative 161 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:47,195 reporters in more than 60 countries who collaborate on 162 00:09:47,238 --> 00:09:51,025 stories that are too complex, and that need to be told from a 163 00:09:51,068 --> 00:09:53,854 collective perspective, from a collaborative perspective, 164 00:09:53,897 --> 00:09:55,899 that need to be told across borders, 165 00:09:55,943 --> 00:09:57,031 in collaboration. 166 00:09:57,074 --> 00:10:01,339 The general meeting is at 3:45. 167 00:10:01,383 --> 00:10:03,951 I am originally from Argentina. 168 00:10:03,994 --> 00:10:07,171 I went into journalism fairly young at 18, 169 00:10:07,215 --> 00:10:09,304 decided to be a journalist. 170 00:10:09,347 --> 00:10:13,308 I saw a lot of, uh, inequality in my country growing up, 171 00:10:13,351 --> 00:10:17,355 a lot of corruption, and I wanted to do something about it, 172 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:19,357 but not from an activist point of view, 173 00:10:19,401 --> 00:10:21,272 but from a journalistic point of view. 174 00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:23,057 [background chatter] 175 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:26,190 MARINA: When we started receiving the data from 176 00:10:26,234 --> 00:10:30,238 Suüddeutsche Zeitung and analyzing it and realizing that 177 00:10:30,281 --> 00:10:32,501 it was connected to 200 countries, 178 00:10:32,544 --> 00:10:35,591 that there were thousands of public figures and prime 179 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:39,247 ministers and presidents and princesses and queens, 180 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:43,643 and we have to do the biggest investigation we have ever done 181 00:10:43,686 --> 00:10:45,514 to do justice to this data. 182 00:10:45,557 --> 00:10:48,560 GERARD: I have to admit, my first thought was skepticism 183 00:10:48,604 --> 00:10:50,127 because I thought, well, we've done these stories on 184 00:10:50,171 --> 00:10:51,215 off-shore before. 185 00:10:51,259 --> 00:10:52,826 We've done, I think at that stage, 186 00:10:52,869 --> 00:10:55,393 four or five of them, and I was wondering how it was gonna be 187 00:10:55,437 --> 00:10:57,395 possible to get all the media partners interested in doing 188 00:10:57,439 --> 00:11:00,311 another story about off-shore, but we really had cracked the 189 00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:01,617 off-shore. 190 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:02,923 Well, even though we had done previous stories, 191 00:11:02,966 --> 00:11:04,533 we didn't have this kind of information before, 192 00:11:04,576 --> 00:11:07,057 and I really thought it was a breakthrough. 193 00:11:08,276 --> 00:11:11,061 EMILIA: 11.5 million documents. 194 00:11:11,105 --> 00:11:14,108 You have all these complex kind of documents, 195 00:11:14,151 --> 00:11:17,415 some that you familiarize with, but sometimes you also have 196 00:11:17,459 --> 00:11:18,634 databases within them. 197 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:20,723 MATTHEW: They were mostly emails, 198 00:11:20,767 --> 00:11:23,595 PDFs and everything else, but because there were so many 199 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:25,989 millions of documents, we had to make it easy for journalists to 200 00:11:26,033 --> 00:11:28,600 search through them by using data sets, 201 00:11:28,644 --> 00:11:32,169 for example, all the clients of Mossack Fonseca, 202 00:11:32,213 --> 00:11:35,390 all the intermediaries, clients per country, 203 00:11:35,433 --> 00:11:36,826 and so on. 204 00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:39,437 BASTIAN: Every company has a number and a folder, 205 00:11:39,481 --> 00:11:41,135 so it's very easy to navigate, actually, 206 00:11:41,178 --> 00:11:43,137 in the original data. 207 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:47,054 EMILIA: Then we upload it to a platform that we call 208 00:11:47,097 --> 00:11:49,273 "Blacklight", and this becomes like, 209 00:11:49,317 --> 00:11:52,755 Google, where you have a search box. 210 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:56,367 So you're actually able to figure out what are some names 211 00:11:56,411 --> 00:11:59,936 of people of public interest in your country are present in 212 00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:01,808 that data. 213 00:12:01,851 --> 00:12:04,375 GERARD: One big danger here was that someone was feeding us the 214 00:12:04,419 --> 00:12:07,465 documents and then would perhaps slip in some false information 215 00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:08,771 into the documents. 216 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:10,555 We wanted to make sure that wasn't happening. 217 00:12:10,599 --> 00:12:13,384 We had done some work on Mossack Fonseca in the past, 218 00:12:13,428 --> 00:12:16,387 so we actually had a set of documents that we could compare 219 00:12:16,431 --> 00:12:19,129 the information we were getting from the new source, 220 00:12:19,173 --> 00:12:21,653 the John Doe source, with what we had before. 221 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:24,787 So my, you know, early stage was to to keep questioning 222 00:12:24,831 --> 00:12:27,224 everything and to make sure that we were jumping every hurdle. 223 00:12:27,268 --> 00:12:32,577 EMILIA: We decided to reconstruct a database of the 224 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:37,408 companies and the shareholders connected to Mossack Fonseca. 225 00:12:37,452 --> 00:12:41,282 It's called Linkurious, and you just start typing people's 226 00:12:41,325 --> 00:12:42,805 names, or companies' names. 227 00:12:42,849 --> 00:12:45,025 You will get a circle called a node, 228 00:12:45,068 --> 00:12:48,289 and if you click on it, it start expanding, 229 00:12:48,332 --> 00:12:52,293 and then you will be able to see how many companies a person is 230 00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:56,166 connected to or who are the shareholders behind a company. 231 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:59,953 MARINA: We literally took months to make available this 232 00:12:59,996 --> 00:13:03,130 information to the journalists, and we were making it available 233 00:13:03,173 --> 00:13:05,828 in batches up until the very end. 234 00:13:05,872 --> 00:13:09,614 I think the last batch of information of documents was 235 00:13:09,658 --> 00:13:12,922 released perhaps a couple of months before publication. 236 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:16,273 ♪♪ 237 00:13:25,195 --> 00:13:26,457 MARINA: You don't just call great reporters that you have 238 00:13:26,501 --> 00:13:28,111 heard of. 239 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:31,854 You have to call people that you know you can work with who are 240 00:13:31,898 --> 00:13:34,857 excellent reporters, but also people that you can trust. 241 00:13:42,604 --> 00:13:46,086 We had been getting to know the team at McClatchy, 242 00:13:46,129 --> 00:13:48,349 and they ticked every box. 243 00:13:48,392 --> 00:13:50,177 They really wanted to work as a team. 244 00:13:53,223 --> 00:13:55,399 KEVIN: Who's surprised that bad guys hide their money? 245 00:13:55,443 --> 00:13:58,533 You know, nobody was saying that was the surprise. 246 00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:01,231 The surprise is, yeah, you pull this veil back and you see this 247 00:14:01,275 --> 00:14:02,798 is how they do it. 248 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,452 Everything you thought was happening, 249 00:14:04,495 --> 00:14:05,932 here's the evidence. 250 00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:07,542 It is. 251 00:14:07,585 --> 00:14:09,152 Yeah, because of... 252 00:14:09,196 --> 00:14:11,546 I'm a former South America Bureau Chief for the company, 253 00:14:11,589 --> 00:14:14,462 and Mossack Fonseca is a Latin company, 254 00:14:14,505 --> 00:14:18,422 Latin clients, and so it was an area that I could help with. 255 00:14:18,466 --> 00:14:20,772 I grew up in-in Ecuador as a child. 256 00:14:20,816 --> 00:14:23,384 I grew up a little different than most Americans because I 257 00:14:23,427 --> 00:14:26,430 saw the poverty, I saw kids with no legs begging in front of the 258 00:14:26,474 --> 00:14:31,348 soccer stadium on Saturdays, and so you know this different world 259 00:14:31,392 --> 00:14:35,222 exists, but to have it so spelled out clearly where you 260 00:14:35,265 --> 00:14:37,920 can see. 261 00:14:37,964 --> 00:14:39,791 You can start to see these connections, 262 00:14:39,835 --> 00:14:42,185 and then the rest of it is kind of the legwork. 263 00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:43,795 Okay, you know they have an offshore account, 264 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:45,928 so what? 265 00:14:45,972 --> 00:14:47,495 You know, what do you do from there? 266 00:14:47,538 --> 00:14:49,366 What more can you say about that? 267 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:54,894 [background chatter] 268 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:57,592 MARISA: Usually as a, as a reporter, 269 00:14:57,635 --> 00:15:02,031 you have tips, you have some kind of roadmap of where you 270 00:15:02,075 --> 00:15:03,424 want to go with a story. 271 00:15:03,467 --> 00:15:07,080 With this, we had absolutely no roadmap. 272 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:12,781 We weren't the big guys, you know? 273 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:16,524 We were the ones who tried to break stories that the big guys 274 00:15:16,567 --> 00:15:17,873 didn't have. 275 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:20,397 We were the, the underdogs, to some degree. 276 00:15:20,441 --> 00:15:23,879 It was also something that we had to kind of sell to our 277 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:27,448 company at the time, because they had decided that they were 278 00:15:27,491 --> 00:15:29,929 gonna shut their foreign bureaus. 279 00:15:29,972 --> 00:15:32,888 They were wondering what value, 280 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:35,804 foreign news would have to their readers. 281 00:15:35,847 --> 00:15:40,287 Why are people gonna care that the rich don't pay their taxes 282 00:15:40,330 --> 00:15:42,637 and crooks are crooks? 283 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,857 Everyone knows that. 284 00:15:45,901 --> 00:15:49,905 What he didn't understand is that this was such an enormous 285 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:52,255 amount of data, it was revealing a, 286 00:15:52,299 --> 00:15:53,517 a whole world. 287 00:15:53,561 --> 00:15:56,172 It wasn't just a story about offshores; 288 00:15:56,216 --> 00:15:58,000 It was, it was the goods. 289 00:15:58,044 --> 00:16:00,568 We had the goods on how it worked. 290 00:16:09,446 --> 00:16:12,972 JOÓHANNES: I'm a nerd about journalism. 291 00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:15,452 I had been a journalist for over 15 years, 292 00:16:15,496 --> 00:16:20,457 and I look at myself as a person that wants to be the 293 00:16:20,501 --> 00:16:24,940 pipeline for minority groups to publish their story, 294 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:29,336 to ask questions inside the government and find answers for 295 00:16:29,379 --> 00:16:30,293 those groups. 296 00:16:30,337 --> 00:16:33,818 ♪♪ 297 00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:35,298 JOÓHANNES: I got a call from Marina Walker, 298 00:16:35,342 --> 00:16:37,692 the Deputy Director of ICIJ. 299 00:16:37,735 --> 00:16:40,869 She asked me, do-do you want to work on a leak? 300 00:16:40,912 --> 00:16:46,918 And we have a lot of Icelandic names in the leak. 301 00:16:46,962 --> 00:16:50,748 And we have your prime minister there and his wife. 302 00:16:50,792 --> 00:16:53,751 And at that moment, uh, everything froze in front of me. 303 00:16:56,406 --> 00:16:59,540 I thought to myself, wow, this is going to be a bomb here 304 00:16:59,583 --> 00:17:01,629 in Iceland. 305 00:17:01,672 --> 00:17:04,719 Nobody knew about his offshore company called Wintris. 306 00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:09,854 If you Googled Wintris before the Panama Papers, 307 00:17:09,898 --> 00:17:13,989 you couldn't find anything, and the prime minister hadn't been 308 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:17,601 transparent about his involvement into the 309 00:17:17,645 --> 00:17:19,255 offshore world. 310 00:17:19,299 --> 00:17:22,606 Ladies and gentlemen, it's a pleasure for me to be here today 311 00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:24,826 at Iceland Investment Forum. 312 00:17:24,869 --> 00:17:28,438 It takes time for any given country to resurface from 313 00:17:28,482 --> 00:17:32,790 political turmoil after a large-scale economic crisis. 314 00:17:32,834 --> 00:17:34,966 We've already made significant progress, 315 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:38,057 and I'm convinced that the policy this government has put 316 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:42,800 forward is a sound one, and that is what bring further benefits. 317 00:17:42,844 --> 00:17:45,977 I have to admit that when you hear the prime minister is 318 00:17:46,021 --> 00:17:50,025 involved, his wife and other big business, 319 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:52,680 people in Iceland very powerful people, 320 00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:56,379 then you start to think about what will happen? 321 00:17:56,423 --> 00:17:59,643 Hope to see you and your money in Iceland. 322 00:17:59,687 --> 00:18:00,644 [laughter] 323 00:18:00,688 --> 00:18:01,558 [applause] 324 00:18:01,602 --> 00:18:04,996 [traffic noise] 325 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,563 GERARD: At this point, we continue on to London, 326 00:18:06,607 --> 00:18:10,132 and I met with The Guardian, because I knew if they were 327 00:18:10,176 --> 00:18:12,743 involved that it'd be easier to convince other media partners to 328 00:18:12,787 --> 00:18:14,484 get involved. 329 00:18:15,703 --> 00:18:17,792 LUKE: This was a really important leak. 330 00:18:17,835 --> 00:18:21,230 I think, I think we've had three super leaks this century so far. 331 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:26,409 We have Wikileaks where we got the kind of unmediated view 332 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:28,411 of the most powerful country on Earth, 333 00:18:28,455 --> 00:18:29,673 the United States. 334 00:18:29,717 --> 00:18:31,458 NEWS REPORTER 14: The biggest leak of U.S. 335 00:18:31,501 --> 00:18:32,981 military secrets ever. 336 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,679 Website Wikileaks hit the "send" button on some 400,000 337 00:18:35,723 --> 00:18:37,942 sensitive documents about the Iraq war. 338 00:18:37,986 --> 00:18:39,161 [gunshots] 339 00:18:39,205 --> 00:18:41,163 LUKE: Then we had Snowden who came along, 340 00:18:41,207 --> 00:18:44,384 who proved that all of our data is being collected all the time, 341 00:18:44,427 --> 00:18:45,994 that we're being surveilled. 342 00:18:46,037 --> 00:18:48,997 I, sitting at my desk, uh, certainly had the authorities 343 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,654 to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal 344 00:18:53,697 --> 00:18:56,178 judge to even the President, if I had a personal email. 345 00:18:56,222 --> 00:18:58,572 LUKE: He sort of lifted what I would call mass surveillance. 346 00:18:58,615 --> 00:19:01,531 And then we had the Panama Papers. 347 00:19:01,575 --> 00:19:05,796 We had emails, uh, between the law firm and what they called 348 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,190 their clients, which typically meant other intermediaries, 349 00:19:08,234 --> 00:19:11,106 banks, lawyers, accountants all over the world. 350 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:14,153 We had passport scans and we had kind of incorporation documents, 351 00:19:14,196 --> 00:19:17,373 we had a lot of postage stamps from these very 352 00:19:17,417 --> 00:19:19,027 exotic locations. 353 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,724 Pretty much all of it was set up so that no one can kind of 354 00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:22,335 peer inside. 355 00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:25,773 And, and suddenly, we had a kind of treasure trove of stuff. 356 00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:27,818 I've been on The Guardian for about 20 years. 357 00:19:27,862 --> 00:19:29,951 12 years as a foreign correspondent bouncing around 358 00:19:29,994 --> 00:19:31,909 the world: Afghanistan, Iraq, Berlin, 359 00:19:31,953 --> 00:19:34,042 and then I was placed into Moscow, 360 00:19:34,085 --> 00:19:36,653 where I kind of really plunged into what you might call kind of 361 00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:38,829 post-Soviet muck. 362 00:19:38,873 --> 00:19:42,006 Corruption, espionage, Vladimir Putin, 363 00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:45,923 his money, question mark, and so on. 364 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:50,624 JULIETTE: You're not just going in, 365 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:51,886 going oh, look, you know, here's the whole story in black and 366 00:19:51,929 --> 00:19:53,061 white for me. 367 00:19:53,104 --> 00:19:54,454 It's a lot of detective work, of, 368 00:19:54,497 --> 00:19:58,501 of painstaking piecing together. 369 00:20:00,590 --> 00:20:02,810 You don't just dump stuff. 370 00:20:02,853 --> 00:20:06,292 You find the narratives, you make them matter to people. 371 00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:11,688 I joined The Guardian in 2011 as telecoms correspondent, 372 00:20:11,732 --> 00:20:14,125 and, because I speak French, I was pulled into an investigation 373 00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:17,085 into HSBC Bank, and its Swiss operation, 374 00:20:17,128 --> 00:20:19,653 which was the first ICIJ investigation that I'd 375 00:20:19,696 --> 00:20:21,307 worked on. 376 00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:23,004 NEWS REPORTER 15: The massive investigation by media outlets 377 00:20:23,047 --> 00:20:25,615 including France's Le Monde and Britain's Guardian Newspaper. 378 00:20:25,659 --> 00:20:29,140 They've revealed that HSBC Swiss private banking arm has helped 379 00:20:29,184 --> 00:20:31,621 thousands of wealthy clients to evade tax. 380 00:20:31,665 --> 00:20:33,754 JULIETTE: It was a big story over here, 381 00:20:33,797 --> 00:20:37,671 and then I, I got brought in to do the Panama Papers a few month 382 00:20:37,714 --> 00:20:39,542 after that. 383 00:20:45,331 --> 00:20:47,289 MATTHEW: I knew that there were companies in Malta that were 384 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:51,075 using Mossack Fonseca to set up companies in Panama for their 385 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:56,690 clients, but what I never imagined was that I would find 386 00:20:56,733 --> 00:21:00,868 the name of a cabinet minister in there. 387 00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:03,740 There were three companies that were set up. 388 00:21:03,784 --> 00:21:07,091 The names of Konrad Mizzi and of Konrad Mizzi's wife, 389 00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:10,834 Sai Mizzi, and Konrad Mizzi's children appeared in 390 00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,402 the documentation. 391 00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:17,754 There were never any names given for the third company, Egrant. 392 00:21:20,366 --> 00:21:22,977 My mother, through a different sources, 393 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:28,287 one of who worked in a bank where documentation related to 394 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:32,378 this third company was kept, worked out that the shares were 395 00:21:32,421 --> 00:21:34,989 being held in the name of the Prime Minister's wife, 396 00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:38,035 Michelle Muscat. 397 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:40,908 I think that's when we realized that what we were dealing with 398 00:21:40,951 --> 00:21:44,651 in Malta was a system of state capture, 399 00:21:44,694 --> 00:21:47,436 that every institution of the state has been captured by 400 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,264 this gang. 401 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:51,353 They're laundering money, they're laundering campaign 402 00:21:51,397 --> 00:21:54,878 funding, and they're going to go to prison for a long time. 403 00:21:54,922 --> 00:21:57,054 I was sure of that at the time. 404 00:22:02,146 --> 00:22:04,932 WOMAN 1: This is all about secrecy and the ability to hide 405 00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:06,673 your money, your assets. 406 00:22:06,716 --> 00:22:08,762 LUKE: The rich and the super-rich, 407 00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:11,286 together with most sort of multi-national corporations, 408 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:15,377 essentially exited quietly, sort of slipped off stage from the 409 00:22:15,421 --> 00:22:17,988 messy business of-of-of universal taxation some 410 00:22:18,032 --> 00:22:19,947 time ago. 411 00:22:22,993 --> 00:22:24,952 Before I started work on the Panama Papers, 412 00:22:24,995 --> 00:22:27,868 I thought that offshore was a kind of small, 413 00:22:27,911 --> 00:22:31,306 minor, who cares, you know, little aspect of the economic 414 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,787 system we knew not so much about, 415 00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:35,789 and after reading the Panama Papers, 416 00:22:35,832 --> 00:22:37,704 I realized it is the economic system. 417 00:22:37,747 --> 00:22:39,401 It is the system. 418 00:22:39,445 --> 00:22:41,925 Eight trillion dollars is stuffed in tax havens, 419 00:22:41,969 --> 00:22:44,014 western countries, including the U.S., 420 00:22:44,058 --> 00:22:46,756 are losing about 200 billion dollars a year in tax revenues. 421 00:22:50,934 --> 00:22:52,849 PAUL: We were still debating, at that time, 422 00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:56,200 whether tax avoidance was a matter of public interest or 423 00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:58,420 not, or could you simply do what you liked with your money? 424 00:22:58,464 --> 00:23:00,466 But what it did establish for us, 425 00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:03,164 the scale of it, it just showed you there were underground 426 00:23:03,207 --> 00:23:06,559 rivers of money washing around the globe unbeknownst to 427 00:23:06,602 --> 00:23:08,430 most people. 428 00:23:08,474 --> 00:23:11,955 MARINA: We are writing about an incredibly damaging part of our 429 00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:16,307 economy that has become so central and so mainstream that 430 00:23:16,351 --> 00:23:20,007 it's creating French revolution levels of inequality 431 00:23:20,050 --> 00:23:21,922 and injustice. 432 00:23:24,228 --> 00:23:29,059 And the challenge we have is to be able to bring this story home 433 00:23:29,103 --> 00:23:33,324 to people, to show them that this story matters to you, 434 00:23:33,368 --> 00:23:36,458 affects your life, and guess what? 435 00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:39,461 You are the victim in this story. 436 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:09,796 JOHN: Decisions have been made that 437 00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:12,451 have spared the wealthy, while focusing instead on 438 00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:16,063 reining in middle and low-income citizens. 439 00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:20,023 The collective impact of these failures has been a complete 440 00:24:20,067 --> 00:24:23,374 erosion of ethical standards, ultimately leading to a novel 441 00:24:23,418 --> 00:24:26,813 system we still call capitalism, but which is tantamount to 442 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:30,643 economic slavery. 443 00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:34,342 Hopelessly backward and inefficient courts have failed. 444 00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:36,779 Judges have too often acquiesced to the arguments of the rich 445 00:24:36,823 --> 00:24:41,001 whose lawyers, and not just Mossack Fonseca, 446 00:24:41,044 --> 00:24:43,569 are well-trained in honoring the letter of the law while 447 00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:46,702 simultaneously doing everything in their power to desecrate 448 00:24:46,746 --> 00:24:49,183 its spirit. 449 00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:50,184 BEN ON PHONE: Leave your number, and I will get back to you as 450 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:51,228 soon as I can. 451 00:24:51,272 --> 00:24:52,186 Thank you very much. 452 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:53,883 KEVIN: Ben, hey, it's Kevin. 453 00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:56,103 Since we have outstanding matters, 454 00:24:56,146 --> 00:24:56,799 give me a shout back. 455 00:24:56,843 --> 00:24:58,932 Bye. 456 00:24:58,975 --> 00:25:01,238 One of the things that is particularly interesting about 457 00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:04,459 the Panama Papers is you have all the email traffic, 458 00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,244 all these different people who appear in these email threads 459 00:25:07,288 --> 00:25:10,857 going back and forth on how to handle something. 460 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:14,208 You see their personalities and who in the Compliance 461 00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:17,341 Department, who is more serious about really cracking down and 462 00:25:17,385 --> 00:25:20,562 the tension between management and compliance. 463 00:25:20,606 --> 00:25:24,174 So at one point, the Geneva office basically says, 464 00:25:24,218 --> 00:25:28,483 you know, they-they found that you've got a Syrian tied to a, 465 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:32,313 to Bashar Al-Assad whose now under sanction and everything at 466 00:25:32,356 --> 00:25:36,578 the time of these emails, and the Geneva office says, 467 00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:40,147 well, HSBC's still working with him so I don't see why 468 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:41,975 we shouldn't. 469 00:25:42,018 --> 00:25:45,065 You know, so you kinda see what their thinking is. 470 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,330 You know, they're willing to work with bad money, 471 00:25:49,373 --> 00:25:53,682 they just have to be clean about it. 472 00:25:53,726 --> 00:25:57,120 JACK: The customer said, I need to do the following in terms of 473 00:25:57,164 --> 00:25:58,339 hiding money. 474 00:25:58,382 --> 00:25:59,993 Will you do it for me? 475 00:26:00,036 --> 00:26:02,604 And Mossack Fonseca, these are all on the records, 476 00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:06,173 would say sure, we'll give you a Panamanian corporation, 477 00:26:06,216 --> 00:26:09,480 a trust a bank account somewhere else, 478 00:26:09,524 --> 00:26:10,569 and not to worry. 479 00:26:10,612 --> 00:26:12,658 Nobody will follow the trail. 480 00:26:12,701 --> 00:26:17,619 ♪♪ 481 00:26:17,663 --> 00:26:21,231 So simplified, it would explain how the system works in a really 482 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:23,582 understandable way. 483 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:26,889 I worked on a case involving a drug trafficker in the 484 00:26:26,933 --> 00:26:28,543 Cayman Islands. 485 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:32,460 His lawyer in Miami said, go see Joe Blow in the Cayman Islands 486 00:26:32,503 --> 00:26:33,940 and he'll set you up. 487 00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:36,029 AL: We got everything a man could want. 488 00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:39,032 JACK: Joe Blow in the Cayman Islands sets up a corporation, 489 00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:41,948 the corporation opens a bank account. 490 00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:45,647 The guy who is the drug trafficker now puts money in the 491 00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:50,304 bank account and lets the lawyer in Cayman control that 492 00:26:50,347 --> 00:26:51,522 bank account. 493 00:26:51,566 --> 00:26:53,437 There comes a moment six months later... 494 00:26:53,481 --> 00:26:56,005 ACTOR 1: [on phone] You took out the money. 495 00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:57,485 AL: Yeah. 496 00:26:57,528 --> 00:26:59,530 JACK: He wants to move the money to hide the trail, 497 00:26:59,574 --> 00:27:01,663 and he calls the lawyer and says, 498 00:27:01,707 --> 00:27:04,448 well, we need another bank account in the name of another 499 00:27:04,492 --> 00:27:06,668 corporation, and I want to transfer the money from 500 00:27:06,712 --> 00:27:11,107 Corporation A to Corporation B, and let's do it so the amounts 501 00:27:11,151 --> 00:27:12,326 don't match. 502 00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:14,981 And then, the moment comes when he says, 503 00:27:15,024 --> 00:27:18,071 I want to use the money, and he goes back for the lawyer in 504 00:27:18,114 --> 00:27:21,378 Cayman and he says, we're gonna have the bank that has the 505 00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:26,253 second transfer lend the money to the guy's brother who owns a, 506 00:27:26,296 --> 00:27:28,951 massage parlor in Houston. 507 00:27:28,995 --> 00:27:32,389 That way, it'll look like a loan, non-taxable. 508 00:27:32,433 --> 00:27:33,347 Where did you get it? 509 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:34,696 I borrowed it. 510 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,872 The whole thing looks like it's perfectly clean 511 00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,308 and perfectly okay. 512 00:27:38,352 --> 00:27:40,267 [laughter] 513 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:53,541 [background chatter] 514 00:27:53,584 --> 00:27:55,282 BASTIAN: Hey, how you doing? 515 00:27:55,325 --> 00:27:59,025 I was kind of skeptical because I wasn't a big fan of inviting 516 00:27:59,068 --> 00:28:00,722 so many colleagues. 517 00:28:00,766 --> 00:28:02,724 I thought, you know, maybe 50 or 100 really enough, 518 00:28:02,768 --> 00:28:09,513 and we knew around 50 or 100 from previous investigations, 519 00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:11,733 so we trusted them. 520 00:28:11,777 --> 00:28:17,739 JOURNALIST: Do they know that you got the data? 521 00:28:17,783 --> 00:28:19,480 Or that it's out there available for someone? 522 00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:28,315 FREDERIK: I wondered if we could keep this whole project secret. 523 00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:31,927 There's one basic rule, and that might sound rude, 524 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:32,928 but it's important. 525 00:28:32,972 --> 00:28:35,148 That's shut up and encrypt. 526 00:28:35,191 --> 00:28:39,152 We always told our colleagues that you cannot tell anyone. 527 00:28:39,195 --> 00:28:41,632 Not your wife, not your best friend, 528 00:28:41,676 --> 00:28:45,071 nobody, about this project, and you have to encrypt everything. 529 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:52,034 GERARD: You know, my primary interest at this-this stage of 530 00:28:52,078 --> 00:28:54,384 the investigation was to establish public interest. 531 00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:56,473 So we only were interested in public figures. 532 00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:59,259 You know, politicians, businesspeople, 533 00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:00,913 anyone with a public profile. 534 00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:06,005 And you know, the fastest way to find that out is to give a set 535 00:29:06,048 --> 00:29:08,224 of documents from Indonesia to an Indonesian journalist. 536 00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:10,879 Give a set of documents from Iceland to an 537 00:29:10,923 --> 00:29:12,533 Icelandic journalist. 538 00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:14,709 They would identify pretty quickly who was worth looking at 539 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,493 on this list and who wasn't worth looking at. 540 00:29:24,023 --> 00:29:26,155 [laughter] 541 00:29:26,199 --> 00:29:28,114 JOSEPH: I was angry that I had, nobody had called me, 542 00:29:28,157 --> 00:29:30,159 and I wasn't, I wasn't involved. [laughs] 543 00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:33,075 You know, I have never collaborated in a giant thing 544 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,163 like that. 545 00:29:34,207 --> 00:29:36,513 I collaborate within my newsroom, 546 00:29:36,557 --> 00:29:39,125 sometimes with, like, one, you know, 547 00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:40,300 an outside group. 548 00:29:40,343 --> 00:29:42,693 Most news organizations are not global, 549 00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:44,695 and then I think this becomes much more important because it 550 00:29:44,739 --> 00:29:47,786 seems like more and more, the best stories are global. 551 00:29:47,829 --> 00:29:49,831 This was like a ringing affirmation that you can 552 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:51,572 actually do it, uh, and you can do it at-at scale. 553 00:29:59,188 --> 00:30:02,626 Then the ICIJ said, for example, we need somebody in Panama. 554 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:07,283 And I said, I don't trust anybody in Panama. 555 00:30:07,327 --> 00:30:16,989 ♪♪ 556 00:30:17,032 --> 00:30:26,607 ♪♪ 557 00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:34,876 [speaking foreign language] 558 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,008 RITA: When I first looked at the assignment 559 00:30:36,051 --> 00:30:38,880 that we were going to do, I flipped. 560 00:30:38,924 --> 00:30:40,839 And the first document I saw, it was an invoice. 561 00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:42,710 That's when I said, oh, my god. 562 00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:46,801 This is huge, because invoices are probably one of the most, 563 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:50,718 private documents within a law firm, 564 00:30:50,761 --> 00:30:53,939 and then when I see the names of people I know in the database, 565 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:58,813 you know, I was really, really, really scared because I knew 566 00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:02,425 what was coming behind that, and I knew the consequences that 567 00:31:02,469 --> 00:31:04,906 this was going to have. 568 00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:08,867 WOMAN 2: Rita Vasquez was also a lawyer in the offshore services 569 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,653 industry for many years, so when we learned that, 570 00:31:12,696 --> 00:31:14,437 we were fascinated. 571 00:31:14,481 --> 00:31:18,528 We had the opportunity to work with an insider who understands 572 00:31:18,572 --> 00:31:22,315 this industry from within. 573 00:31:23,577 --> 00:31:25,492 RITA: Seeing my friends and people that I care for in that 574 00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:28,364 data really made me wanted to go deeper into the project. 575 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:35,415 As a newspaper organization, it is not our duty to tell if a 576 00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:37,417 private person is doing something wrong with their own 577 00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:40,550 money, but it's our duty to tell if somebody who had access to 578 00:31:40,594 --> 00:31:43,423 public funds or if somebody who had, 579 00:31:43,466 --> 00:31:46,121 be part of a government or had some sort of a jurisdictional 580 00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:49,211 power was doing something wrong. 581 00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:53,912 [printing press] 582 00:31:53,955 --> 00:31:57,698 ROBERTO: The mandate of La Prensa was to return freedom of 583 00:31:57,741 --> 00:32:03,399 expression to the country as an infrastructure for democracy. 584 00:32:03,443 --> 00:32:05,140 In the midst of dictatorship. 585 00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:22,375 ROBERTO: But somehow it worked, and in six months, 586 00:32:22,418 --> 00:32:25,595 we were the newspaper of record of Panama. 587 00:32:25,639 --> 00:32:28,555 When we sat at our first editorial meeting after 588 00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:30,687 everything was set up, we said, well, 589 00:32:30,731 --> 00:32:32,254 how are we gonna handle this? 590 00:32:32,298 --> 00:32:36,737 Do we go softly increasing our pressure or do we hit 'em 591 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:39,305 straight in the face from day one? 592 00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:40,436 We decided the second. 593 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:48,705 ♪♪ 594 00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:50,620 SCOTT: When we heard Mossack Fonseca, 595 00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:54,015 we knew that we were uniquely positioned within the project 596 00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:56,539 because I played for the Mossack Fonseca softball team in 597 00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:58,193 the BVI. 598 00:32:58,237 --> 00:33:02,719 Four of our closest friends worked for Mossack Fonseca. 599 00:33:02,763 --> 00:33:05,722 And so we had a perspective that out of the journalists, 600 00:33:05,766 --> 00:33:09,248 there were two people that knew the inner workings of that 601 00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,119 company better than anybody. 602 00:33:12,947 --> 00:33:16,168 My journalism career was never going to lead to any kind 603 00:33:16,211 --> 00:33:17,560 of greatness. 604 00:33:17,604 --> 00:33:19,388 I was never gonna work for the New York Times. 605 00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:21,347 You know, I was the English editor of La Prensa in Panama. 606 00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:24,437 That's not the sort of things that make a great bio, 607 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,527 and I always compared it to a career minor league pitcher that 608 00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:32,184 suddenly you get to start game seven of the World Series. 609 00:33:32,923 --> 00:33:33,881 When you find out it's world leaders, 610 00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:35,317 it's drug traffickers. 611 00:33:35,361 --> 00:33:38,625 la Reina Del Sur, who is one of the most famous female 612 00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:41,845 narco-terrorists in history; Carlos Quintero, 613 00:33:41,889 --> 00:33:46,285 who is described as making Pablo Escobar look like a baby. 614 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:50,506 All of these names that come flooding at you, 615 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:55,207 and you, your first thought is, how did they get away with this? 616 00:34:33,767 --> 00:34:35,856 BASTIAN: At least that's my assumption. 617 00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:42,210 I mean, we've been working on offshore since, for 2012. 618 00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:46,127 My private explanation, more or less, 619 00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:50,958 is that I know that the source had contact with other outlets, 620 00:34:51,001 --> 00:34:55,441 even before me, and they had not reacted in the way that the 621 00:34:55,484 --> 00:34:58,052 leaker wished they had. 622 00:34:58,705 --> 00:35:00,794 JOSEPH: Some outlets may have passed just because they tend 623 00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:02,926 not to do giant collaborations. 624 00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:05,320 You're devoting some of your best people to something that 625 00:35:05,364 --> 00:35:06,539 might take a year. 626 00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:08,149 That, resources are scarce. 627 00:35:08,193 --> 00:35:11,631 Investigative talent on your payroll is-is scarce, 628 00:35:11,674 --> 00:35:14,373 it's expensive, and you're, you're taking a leap into 629 00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,723 something that, from the beginning, 630 00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:18,594 you know is not gonna be an exclusive. 631 00:35:18,638 --> 00:35:21,684 ♪♪ 632 00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:23,033 JOHN: The media has failed. 633 00:35:23,077 --> 00:35:26,124 In addition to Suüddeutsche Zeitung and ICIJ, 634 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:29,039 and despite explicit claims to the contrary, 635 00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:32,478 several major media outlets did have editors review documents 636 00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:34,001 for the Panama Papers. 637 00:35:34,044 --> 00:35:36,395 They chose not to cover them. 638 00:35:39,224 --> 00:35:43,663 BASTIAN: There's this probably frustrated person or those 639 00:35:43,706 --> 00:35:49,886 persons, we don't know, trying to reach someone that is 640 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:51,497 actually listening. 641 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:53,673 LUKE: I mean, there was a flavor of John Doe's personality. 642 00:35:53,716 --> 00:35:56,066 John Doe was worried about exposure. 643 00:35:56,110 --> 00:35:57,938 He was also kind of worried about his own sort of personal 644 00:35:57,981 --> 00:35:59,548 safety, so we don't know who it is. 645 00:35:59,592 --> 00:36:00,984 It could be a he, it could be a she. 646 00:36:01,028 --> 00:36:02,203 I don't think it's a they. 647 00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,988 KEVIN: I don't think anyone benefits, 648 00:36:05,032 --> 00:36:06,903 you know, it's kind of death by a thousand cuts if you give a 649 00:36:06,947 --> 00:36:08,862 little information here, a little information there, 650 00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:10,907 you end up compromising your source, 651 00:36:10,951 --> 00:36:13,040 and so I've kind of pushed back internally, 652 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:16,435 I think, on that, so that people are more cautious about 653 00:36:16,478 --> 00:36:18,132 what they say about the source. 654 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:20,395 JOSEPH: There are lots of good reasons for sources to be afraid 655 00:36:20,439 --> 00:36:21,570 of talking to the press. 656 00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:24,094 It can be an enormous risk. 657 00:36:24,138 --> 00:36:26,096 You know, they can get fired, 658 00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:27,968 they can get jailed in some places, 659 00:36:28,011 --> 00:36:29,578 they can get killed. 660 00:36:29,622 --> 00:36:31,232 And so, but one of those reasons is they don't trust the 661 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:33,278 operational security of the journalist, 662 00:36:33,321 --> 00:36:36,237 and sometimes they're right to be very worried about that, 663 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,239 and they should, you know, if you're a source out there, 664 00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:40,633 you should do your due diligence and pick your 665 00:36:40,676 --> 00:36:41,851 journalist carefully. 666 00:36:41,895 --> 00:36:45,028 JOHN: I've watched as one after another, 667 00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:48,554 whistleblowers and activists in the United States and Europe 668 00:36:48,597 --> 00:36:51,644 have had their lives destroyed, and the circumstances they find 669 00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:54,603 themselves in after shining a light on obvious wrongdoing. 670 00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:57,867 NEWS REPORTER 16: Snowden, who was holed up in Hong Kong, 671 00:36:57,911 --> 00:37:00,479 wanted in the U.S., is now in Russia. 672 00:37:00,522 --> 00:37:02,655 JOHN: Edward Snowden is stranded in Moscow, 673 00:37:02,698 --> 00:37:05,571 exiled due to the Obama Administration's decision to 674 00:37:05,614 --> 00:37:08,182 prosecute him under the Espionage Act. 675 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:11,185 Bradley Birkenfeld was awarded millions for his information 676 00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:14,754 concerning Swiss bank UBS, and was still given a prison 677 00:37:14,797 --> 00:37:16,886 sentence by the Justice Department. 678 00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:19,976 Legitimate whistleblowers who expose unquestionable 679 00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:22,849 wrongdoing, whether insiders or outsiders, 680 00:37:22,892 --> 00:37:25,068 deserve immunity from government retribution. 681 00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:32,380 [bell ringing] 682 00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:37,733 WOMAN 3: Because of its nature, of how global it was, 683 00:37:37,777 --> 00:37:41,520 we all realized that we need to get together in person, 684 00:37:41,563 --> 00:37:44,044 so Munich was the perfect place, of course, 685 00:37:44,087 --> 00:37:48,309 because we needed to go to the home of Suüddeutsche Zeitung. 686 00:37:49,397 --> 00:37:50,616 KEVIN: That, itself, had to stay secret, 687 00:37:50,659 --> 00:37:53,575 so you couldn't say, "I'm in Munich for X." 688 00:37:53,619 --> 00:37:55,490 People will naturally ask, well, you know, 689 00:37:55,534 --> 00:37:57,144 what, what are you doing there? 690 00:37:57,187 --> 00:37:58,624 Oh, work meeting or, uh, you had to come up with something that 691 00:37:58,667 --> 00:38:01,148 didn't sound anything like what you were doing there. 692 00:38:01,191 --> 00:38:09,112 [background chatter] 693 00:38:09,156 --> 00:38:14,944 BASTIAN: The meeting was kind of the decisive point. 694 00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:18,992 it was more or less our job to make people enthusiastic about 695 00:38:19,035 --> 00:38:20,602 it and to get them on board. 696 00:38:20,646 --> 00:38:24,214 [speaking foreign language] 697 00:38:24,258 --> 00:38:25,520 BASTIAN: I was so nervous. 698 00:38:25,564 --> 00:38:27,130 I hadn't slept for three nights because it was, 699 00:38:27,174 --> 00:38:29,785 I mean, I was really, really nervous because I thought if I 700 00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:33,572 mess this up, you know, then this is the big, 701 00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:35,138 the big chance. 702 00:38:35,182 --> 00:38:37,053 The biggest collaboration of investigative journalists... 703 00:38:37,097 --> 00:38:41,057 Sitting in front of more than a hundred journalists showed me 704 00:38:41,101 --> 00:38:44,496 the first time how big this project already was at 705 00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:47,237 that moment. 706 00:38:48,108 --> 00:38:49,370 JULIETTE: It was like the United Nations of journalism, 707 00:38:49,414 --> 00:38:51,764 and I've never experienced anything like it. 708 00:38:51,807 --> 00:38:53,853 We were working on a story, and we were all working on 709 00:38:53,896 --> 00:38:54,941 it together. 710 00:38:54,984 --> 00:38:56,899 EMILIA: Sorry, well, I'm Emilia. 711 00:38:56,943 --> 00:38:57,857 I'm from Venezuela. 712 00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:59,467 I think... 713 00:38:59,511 --> 00:39:02,644 MARINA: We are not, uh, forcing you to do this story. 714 00:39:02,688 --> 00:39:05,038 We are not paying you to do this story. 715 00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:08,302 This is the story, and you need to invest in it, 716 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,392 and you are only going to get out of it as much as you put 717 00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:13,655 into it. 718 00:39:13,699 --> 00:39:16,005 BASTIAN: Everybody was, I'm all in. 719 00:39:16,049 --> 00:39:18,356 I want to know more. 720 00:39:26,146 --> 00:39:30,063 WOMAN 3: It's a time right now in newsrooms of 721 00:39:30,106 --> 00:39:31,412 great uncertainty. 722 00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:33,849 You know, what will be the fate of newspapers, 723 00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:38,898 which used to be the watchdogs of the media. 724 00:39:41,422 --> 00:39:43,032 LUKE: In a time when everyone is broke, 725 00:39:43,076 --> 00:39:45,731 when no one's clicking the ads, where Facebook is taking all our 726 00:39:45,774 --> 00:39:48,603 money, where, where newsrooms are-are just kind of 727 00:39:48,647 --> 00:39:52,128 empty-pocketed... 728 00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:54,392 MARINA: We really had to convince these media 729 00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:56,785 organizations and these journalists to work together, 730 00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:59,397 and we often got responses like, why do we need you? 731 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,007 Or why do we need one another? 732 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,661 We can do it on our own. 733 00:40:02,704 --> 00:40:07,796 And perhaps 10, 15 years ago, it was pre-media crisis and a lot 734 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,278 of newspapers were feeling really strong still, 735 00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:14,368 and they still had foreign correspondents and thought that 736 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:18,241 they could do it on their own, but as the crisis in the media 737 00:40:18,285 --> 00:40:21,767 took place, and stories became more complex, 738 00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:27,076 as technology evolved, it became obvious that we needed to join 739 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,080 forces, and they learned through the process how much more 740 00:40:31,124 --> 00:40:36,085 impactful and powerful their reporting can become when we 741 00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:39,567 work as a collective. 742 00:40:41,177 --> 00:40:44,224 BASTIAN: We immediately realized the impact of having more people 743 00:40:44,267 --> 00:40:49,098 from different countries inside the investigation because we had 744 00:40:49,142 --> 00:40:51,449 more, more, more findings. 745 00:40:51,492 --> 00:40:53,799 LUKE: Generally, I would say we found the anonymous 746 00:40:53,842 --> 00:40:55,583 international rich. 747 00:40:55,627 --> 00:40:59,195 We, we found Spanish royals, we found a German chicken farmer, 748 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,242 we found a French dentist, we found people who would, 749 00:41:02,285 --> 00:41:04,200 use fake names when dealing with their lawyers, 750 00:41:04,244 --> 00:41:06,202 so instead of saying, you know, you know, 751 00:41:06,246 --> 00:41:08,857 hello, here is Ivan, you know, they would say, 752 00:41:08,901 --> 00:41:10,250 "Hi, it's Harry Potter." 753 00:41:10,293 --> 00:41:12,252 And, and there was correspondents, 754 00:41:12,295 --> 00:41:15,690 you know, dear Harry, your $25,000 755 00:41:15,734 --> 00:41:17,387 has arrived in the Bahamas. 756 00:41:17,431 --> 00:41:19,128 I mean, it was just like the wo- most weird fishing expedition. 757 00:41:19,172 --> 00:41:21,261 I mean, there were fish you would expect, 758 00:41:21,304 --> 00:41:23,176 and there was some very ugly, small fish you didn't expect. 759 00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:25,047 BASTIAN: Whenever I went into the data, 760 00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:26,309 I found something new. 761 00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:28,964 I found scandals in Africa, in Latin America. 762 00:41:32,577 --> 00:41:34,013 SPORTS ANNOUNCER: Messi now, everyone on the edge of their 763 00:41:34,056 --> 00:41:36,319 seats, Messi going for goal! 764 00:41:36,363 --> 00:41:37,364 Oh! 765 00:41:37,407 --> 00:41:39,148 [fans cheering] 766 00:41:39,192 --> 00:41:40,541 SPORTS ANNOUNCER: He's a man on a mission! 767 00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:42,848 MAN 2: Lionel Messi, his family fortune, 768 00:41:42,891 --> 00:41:46,547 is in the Panama Papers, and is now in the courts. 769 00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:49,028 No one in their right mind in Latin America thought that FIFA 770 00:41:49,071 --> 00:41:50,508 wasn't corrupt. 771 00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:54,424 It was not a surprise to find the FIFA officials. 772 00:41:54,468 --> 00:41:58,167 That was kind of one of, people thought was gonna be in there. 773 00:41:58,211 --> 00:42:00,430 Kids are under contract, 13 or 14, 774 00:42:00,474 --> 00:42:03,956 whether or not they ever become a pro has very little to do with 775 00:42:03,999 --> 00:42:06,785 their talent level, and more to do with which lawyer is screwing 776 00:42:06,828 --> 00:42:08,482 what agent in a business deal. 777 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:11,485 In Lionel Messi, there's no evidence that he himself had any 778 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,444 hand in any of this, but the people who handle him and the 779 00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:16,229 whole contracts and everything, they did. 780 00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:22,365 GIANNI: And we will restore the image of FIFA and the respect of 781 00:42:22,409 --> 00:42:25,412 FIFA, and everyone in the world will applaud us and will applaud 782 00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:30,243 all of you for what we'll do in FIFA in the future. 783 00:42:30,983 --> 00:42:33,028 [APPLAUSE] 784 00:42:37,424 --> 00:42:40,253 LUKE: We found Sergey Roldugin, Putin's best friend, 785 00:42:40,296 --> 00:42:43,343 ostensibly, second-hand car, not very wealthy, 786 00:42:43,386 --> 00:42:45,606 but we found almost a billion dollars. 787 00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:48,653 It came from Bank Rossiya, which is a kind of crony bank from the 788 00:42:48,696 --> 00:42:53,222 regime in Saint Petersburg, right through to secret offshore 789 00:42:53,266 --> 00:42:56,225 companies, and then a lot of that cash was recycled back into 790 00:42:56,269 --> 00:42:59,968 Russia, including, um, into the wedding resort where Putin's 791 00:43:00,012 --> 00:43:02,405 daughter, Caterina, got married in 2013. 792 00:43:02,449 --> 00:43:05,234 And so from Russia, what we saw was, 793 00:43:05,278 --> 00:43:07,410 in a way, what you might call a kind of neo-feudal system. 794 00:43:07,454 --> 00:43:11,066 You could see how not just Putin's KGB chums were 795 00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:14,461 billionaires, but how the next generation were accumulating 796 00:43:14,504 --> 00:43:18,160 assets, marrying each other, dodging American sanctions and 797 00:43:18,204 --> 00:43:19,466 so on. 798 00:43:19,509 --> 00:43:21,337 BASTIAN: I mean, if you're Vladimir Putin, 799 00:43:21,381 --> 00:43:23,252 you don't go to Mossack Fonseca and say, 800 00:43:23,296 --> 00:43:24,645 "I want a company in my name." 801 00:43:24,689 --> 00:43:27,082 But you'd probably send someone that you trust. 802 00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:29,476 And this is exactly how this world works. 803 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:36,135 TIM: When you can set up corporations in such a complex 804 00:43:36,178 --> 00:43:39,007 way and changing ownership. 805 00:43:39,051 --> 00:43:41,444 One woman I looked into was Leticia Montoya, 806 00:43:41,488 --> 00:43:45,623 a director in 10,969 corporations. 807 00:43:49,539 --> 00:43:52,107 Think about that. 808 00:43:52,151 --> 00:43:55,241 I mean, she doesn't, has no idea whatsoever what those 809 00:43:55,284 --> 00:43:56,111 corporations do. 810 00:44:06,948 --> 00:44:08,558 RITA: It's just a job, and she's a secretary. 811 00:44:08,602 --> 00:44:12,345 She, I mean, those who went to her house could have seen that 812 00:44:12,388 --> 00:44:16,044 she has no money, she lives in a fisherman community, 813 00:44:16,088 --> 00:44:17,524 not in the city. 814 00:44:17,567 --> 00:44:20,527 I mean, it's not like she made any money on this. 815 00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:23,573 ♪♪ 816 00:44:23,617 --> 00:44:27,621 JACK: This has gone on country after country after country. 817 00:44:27,665 --> 00:44:32,017 The amounts that are being pulled out are really at the 818 00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:37,152 expense of average people who simply can't get services from 819 00:44:37,196 --> 00:44:40,112 their government because the money's been flat stolen. 820 00:44:41,461 --> 00:44:45,117 [applause] 821 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,729 JACK: I spoke at a conference to the Inter-American Bar 822 00:44:48,773 --> 00:44:52,124 Association in Cochabamba, Bolivia, 823 00:44:52,167 --> 00:44:57,477 and I tried to say, lawyers job is to keep people honest, 824 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,568 and you shouldn't be helping them evade the law or break 825 00:45:01,611 --> 00:45:02,961 the law. 826 00:45:03,004 --> 00:45:05,920 My audience began to laugh at me. 827 00:45:05,964 --> 00:45:08,096 I blew up. 828 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:11,012 Why do you think you don't have clean water? 829 00:45:11,056 --> 00:45:13,232 Why do you think people are so poor? 830 00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:17,540 It's because you, as a group of professionals, 831 00:45:17,584 --> 00:45:22,154 are teaching people how not to be participants in your society. 832 00:45:22,197 --> 00:45:24,025 [background chatter] 833 00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:26,680 SCOTT: The fundamental question I ask is, 834 00:45:26,724 --> 00:45:28,900 well, who makes money off this? 835 00:45:28,943 --> 00:45:31,163 Who makes money off this industry? 836 00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:34,166 And obviously, Mossack Fonseca made a lot of money, 837 00:45:34,209 --> 00:45:36,646 and obviously their clients who avoid taxes, 838 00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:39,998 they make a lot of money, but banks also make a lot of money, 839 00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:42,565 financial institutions, Wall Street. 840 00:45:42,609 --> 00:45:46,221 You can't have a major business if you don't have banks 841 00:45:46,265 --> 00:45:48,223 complicit with your business. 842 00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:52,184 TIM: The banks are certainly a key cog in this whole mechanism 843 00:45:52,227 --> 00:45:55,404 set up to create distance between the real owners of the 844 00:45:55,448 --> 00:45:58,146 money and-and-and the corporations that nominally, 845 00:45:58,190 --> 00:46:02,281 have control over it, but banks donate a lot to 846 00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:06,546 politicians, and uh, [chuckles] you know, 847 00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:08,113 there you go. 848 00:46:08,156 --> 00:46:11,812 WOMAN 4: The banks and the accounting firms and the law 849 00:46:11,856 --> 00:46:15,598 firms, they are basically spending all of their resources 850 00:46:15,642 --> 00:46:21,126 in trying to damage national treasuries in creating an 851 00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:26,131 illusion of-of an economic system that works only for the 852 00:46:26,174 --> 00:46:31,701 1%, and they are working to deepen that gap between the 1% 853 00:46:31,745 --> 00:46:34,095 and the rest of the world. 854 00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:48,240 ♪♪ 855 00:46:51,591 --> 00:46:53,680 [background chatter] 856 00:46:53,723 --> 00:46:55,203 WOMAN 4: We found David Cameron's dad in the data with 857 00:46:55,247 --> 00:46:57,423 his offshore fund. 858 00:46:59,164 --> 00:47:00,034 DAVID: I'm very relaxed about, 859 00:47:00,078 --> 00:47:01,122 publishing these things. 860 00:47:01,166 --> 00:47:04,473 There's no secrets about my status. 861 00:47:04,517 --> 00:47:08,129 I am paid handsomely as your Prime Minister, 862 00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:10,218 and that is my main source of income, 863 00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:13,395 and I have a house I used to live in before I moved into 864 00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:15,963 Downing Street, and I rent that out and I get the income 865 00:47:16,007 --> 00:47:17,095 from that. 866 00:47:17,138 --> 00:47:18,270 I don't have other sources of income, 867 00:47:18,313 --> 00:47:19,837 so there will be no surprises, 868 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,230 in terms of my tax affairs, but I'm very relaxed, 869 00:47:22,274 --> 00:47:22,970 as I've always said. 870 00:47:23,014 --> 00:47:24,580 Nothing's changed. 871 00:47:25,494 --> 00:47:26,060 JULIETTE: It wasn't even a surprise that his dad had had 872 00:47:26,104 --> 00:47:27,409 a fund. 873 00:47:27,453 --> 00:47:29,237 It's just that he wouldn't say he had money in it. 874 00:47:29,281 --> 00:47:31,805 In order to not have the fund taxed in the UK, 875 00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,807 you had to have majority of foreign directors on the company 876 00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:35,853 board, so the third was Swiss, a third were, 877 00:47:35,896 --> 00:47:37,942 were in the Bahamas, and-and everything was run out of the 878 00:47:37,985 --> 00:47:40,509 Bahamas, so they had this army of people just assign things 879 00:47:40,553 --> 00:47:42,642 there, so they were pretending to, 880 00:47:42,685 --> 00:47:45,950 devise the investment strategy and trade gold and 881 00:47:45,993 --> 00:47:48,517 bonds and things like that, but all the instructions were coming 882 00:47:48,561 --> 00:47:50,476 by telephone from London. 883 00:47:54,393 --> 00:47:56,047 MAN 2: One of the thing is we found is not only did Mossack 884 00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:59,354 Fonseca have a number of Chinese companies that it registered in 885 00:47:59,398 --> 00:48:01,748 Nevada as shell companies, some of those, 886 00:48:01,791 --> 00:48:03,793 perhaps, to do business in the United States, 887 00:48:03,837 --> 00:48:08,276 but more likely than not, to hide assets somewhere else. 888 00:48:08,929 --> 00:48:11,453 MAN 3: Brazil was one of the, the hottest things, 889 00:48:11,497 --> 00:48:13,499 and having been a correspondent there myself, 890 00:48:13,542 --> 00:48:15,588 I was very interested in working with the Brazilian team. 891 00:48:15,631 --> 00:48:19,331 TIM: We found payoffs to politicians. 892 00:48:19,374 --> 00:48:22,551 More than $700 million in bribes had been paid. 893 00:48:22,595 --> 00:48:25,685 MAN 4: Two-thirds of the country's legislature had been 894 00:48:25,728 --> 00:48:27,295 tied to off-shore companies. 895 00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:30,908 Many of the politicians were using shell companies through 896 00:48:30,951 --> 00:48:34,128 Mossack Fonseca in Nevada to hide assets they owned back in, 897 00:48:34,172 --> 00:48:36,304 in Brazil. 898 00:48:36,783 --> 00:48:38,567 Nobody pays a bribe and says, hey, 899 00:48:38,611 --> 00:48:39,786 here's a bribe. 900 00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:42,528 They do it through consulting fees, 901 00:48:42,571 --> 00:48:44,573 they do it through structured investments, 902 00:48:44,617 --> 00:48:45,705 and they do it through shell companies that pay other 903 00:48:45,748 --> 00:48:46,662 shell companies. 904 00:48:50,405 --> 00:48:54,192 MAN 5: The papers were very clear that this problem is not 905 00:48:54,235 --> 00:48:58,631 limited to small countries in Africa. 906 00:48:58,674 --> 00:49:02,287 The problem is huge here in the United States. 907 00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:07,248 The tax evasion problem is huge here in the United States. 908 00:49:08,075 --> 00:49:09,468 KEVIN: There were a lot of Americans in Panama Papers, 909 00:49:09,511 --> 00:49:11,774 so here's this perception that there weren't. 910 00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:15,300 I think what was missing was a Putin-type big name, 911 00:49:15,343 --> 00:49:18,825 but the very kind of people you'd expect to be in the Panama 912 00:49:18,868 --> 00:49:20,435 Papers were in there. 913 00:49:20,479 --> 00:49:23,264 all kinds of SEC fraud, pump and dump, 914 00:49:23,308 --> 00:49:25,614 penny stocks, and a lot of hedge funds. 915 00:49:25,658 --> 00:49:29,488 Those kinda guys who need that anonymity to make that work. 916 00:49:29,531 --> 00:49:32,404 Those guys are in here in some significant numbers, 917 00:49:32,447 --> 00:49:34,406 and unfortunately, that's gotten easier, 918 00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:36,799 not harder in the aftermath of Trump's election. 919 00:49:36,843 --> 00:49:43,371 DONALD: I am officially running for President of the United 920 00:49:43,415 --> 00:49:49,377 States, and we are going to make our country great again. 921 00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:54,078 BASTIAN: Having Donald Trump as the President of the United 922 00:49:54,121 --> 00:50:00,301 States let me feel a little bit strange knowing that he also had 923 00:50:00,345 --> 00:50:02,477 some offshore deals in his past. 924 00:50:02,521 --> 00:50:05,741 HILLARY: He didn't pay any federal income tax, so-- 925 00:50:05,785 --> 00:50:07,439 DONALD TRUMP: That makes me smart. 926 00:50:07,482 --> 00:50:09,006 HILLARY CLINTON: --if he's paid zero, that's zero for troops-- 927 00:50:09,049 --> 00:50:10,181 MAN 3: Trump is obviously one we were focused on from 928 00:50:10,224 --> 00:50:11,878 the very beginning. 929 00:50:11,921 --> 00:50:14,968 He appeared about 3,450 times that we know of. 930 00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:17,231 That's not to say his partners. 931 00:50:17,275 --> 00:50:18,754 That's just him by name. 932 00:50:19,842 --> 00:50:21,975 The big find was a lot of documents around the 933 00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:24,499 Panama Hotel project. 934 00:50:24,543 --> 00:50:26,719 NEWS REPORTER 17: Trump Ocean Club soars over the Pacific and 935 00:50:26,762 --> 00:50:28,547 Panama City. 936 00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:31,680 It's also where criminals, everywhere from Russian 937 00:50:31,724 --> 00:50:35,336 gangsters to money launderers for Latin American drug cartels 938 00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:38,078 were able to hide their cash. 939 00:50:38,122 --> 00:50:40,776 MAN 3: There we found contract information between him and the 940 00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:42,474 developer, Newland. 941 00:50:42,517 --> 00:50:44,650 One of the things I think that was very helpful in the Panama 942 00:50:44,693 --> 00:50:47,566 Papers is it actually showed Trump's business model. 943 00:50:47,609 --> 00:50:49,437 It was a contract that showed how he got paid, 944 00:50:49,481 --> 00:50:50,960 how his name was leased. 945 00:50:51,004 --> 00:50:53,441 This really wasn't known, and the documents, 946 00:50:53,485 --> 00:50:55,574 here we had physical proof of how, 947 00:50:55,617 --> 00:50:57,619 you know, how he arranges things. 948 00:50:57,663 --> 00:50:59,708 REPORTER 18: As a former money launderer, 949 00:50:59,752 --> 00:51:03,799 the Trump Ocean Club, how would you rate it in its quality. 950 00:51:03,843 --> 00:51:04,800 MAN 4: For money laundering? 951 00:51:04,844 --> 00:51:08,674 MAN 4: Oh, I'd say triple A. 952 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:18,118 [cheering] 953 00:51:18,162 --> 00:51:20,555 JACK: You get control of the country, 954 00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,690 you move your family into all of the important jobs in the 955 00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:28,650 country, and then you use that as an opportunity to 956 00:51:28,694 --> 00:51:30,261 enrich yourself. 957 00:51:30,304 --> 00:51:31,827 NEWS REPORTER 18: The man they credit with Donald Trump's 958 00:51:31,871 --> 00:51:33,655 victory, the President Elect's own son-in-law, 959 00:51:33,699 --> 00:51:34,830 Jared Kushner. 960 00:51:34,874 --> 00:51:38,182 JACK: What's now going on is exactly that, 961 00:51:38,225 --> 00:51:41,924 and what I think is also going on is that our president has 962 00:51:41,968 --> 00:51:46,581 cozied up to any number of these kleptocrats because he wants 963 00:51:46,625 --> 00:51:49,889 Americans to think it's the new normal. 964 00:51:52,848 --> 00:51:54,589 NEWS REPORTER 19: The central figure in the investigations 965 00:51:54,633 --> 00:51:56,939 into Donald Trump's inner circle, 966 00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:57,897 and possible ties to Russia. 967 00:51:57,940 --> 00:51:59,638 ADAM SCHIFF: It was Manafort... 968 00:51:59,681 --> 00:52:00,378 HIMES: Paul Manafort... 969 00:52:00,421 --> 00:52:01,988 CARSON: Paul Manafort... 970 00:52:02,031 --> 00:52:03,598 NEWS REPORTER 19: Long before he was president Trump's campaign 971 00:52:03,642 --> 00:52:06,645 chairman, Paul Manafort was paid millions by a Russian 972 00:52:06,688 --> 00:52:09,691 billionaire with close ties to Vladimir Putin. 973 00:52:09,735 --> 00:52:13,478 MAN 3: That is the closest we've been able to get to Manafort. 974 00:52:13,521 --> 00:52:17,482 Manafort seems to have been paid through companies in Belize. 975 00:52:17,525 --> 00:52:21,834 I've spent a lot of time looking at these shell companies. 976 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,664 MAN 6: Donald Trump's friends, people of his cabinet, 977 00:52:25,707 --> 00:52:30,408 advisors, have been active in the offshore business. 978 00:52:31,235 --> 00:52:33,541 RON: Mister Mnuchin, you ran a hedge fund for a few years 979 00:52:33,585 --> 00:52:39,808 starting in 2004, and I've been trying to get my arms around the 980 00:52:39,852 --> 00:52:42,942 Mnuchin web of bank accounts and shell companies. 981 00:52:42,985 --> 00:52:45,205 They were in Cayman Islands and Anguilla. 982 00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:48,034 How many employees did you have in Anguilla? 983 00:52:48,643 --> 00:52:49,818 STEVEN: Treasury Secretary Nominee 984 00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:53,692 we didn't have any employees in Anguilla. 985 00:52:53,735 --> 00:52:55,084 RON: How many customers did you have there? 986 00:52:55,128 --> 00:52:55,868 STEVEN: We didn't have any customers that resided 987 00:52:55,911 --> 00:52:56,869 in Anguilla. 988 00:52:56,912 --> 00:52:59,045 RON: Did you have an office there? 989 00:52:59,088 --> 00:53:02,048 STEVEN: We did not have a office ourselves there. 990 00:53:02,091 --> 00:53:04,703 RON: So you just had a post office box? 991 00:53:04,746 --> 00:53:07,096 STEVEN: Senator, let me explain to you, okay? 992 00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:08,185 RON: It's just a yes or no answer. 993 00:53:08,228 --> 00:53:09,447 I'm already over my time. 994 00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:10,361 Yes or no? 995 00:53:10,404 --> 00:53:11,971 Did you just have a post office? 996 00:53:12,014 --> 00:53:13,581 STEVEN: Well, hopefully the other senators will defer some 997 00:53:13,625 --> 00:53:15,757 time so I can, I can answer this for you, 998 00:53:15,801 --> 00:53:17,803 because I think it's an important issue, 999 00:53:17,846 --> 00:53:18,717 but no, we had-- 1000 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,588 RON: Mister Chairman, this is... 1001 00:53:20,632 --> 00:53:23,591 SENATOR 1: I think he should go ahead and answer it right now. 1002 00:53:23,635 --> 00:53:24,288 SENATOR 2: He should get a chance to answer the question. 1003 00:53:24,331 --> 00:53:25,854 SENATOR 1: Yeah. 1004 00:53:25,898 --> 00:53:27,508 RON: I'm very troubled about this question of how you're 1005 00:53:27,552 --> 00:53:32,165 gonna unrig the system if you've got a record of taking advantage 1006 00:53:32,209 --> 00:53:35,429 of tax shelters that, in effect, have zero percent tax rate. 1007 00:53:35,473 --> 00:53:36,822 Thank you, Mister Chairman. 1008 00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:41,522 The taxes you pay are compulsory. 1009 00:53:42,131 --> 00:53:44,090 They come out of your paycheck, you can see it once or twice 1010 00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:46,614 a month. 1011 00:53:46,658 --> 00:53:50,227 There're no Cayman Island deals for you, 1012 00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:53,882 not, none of those kinda sweetheart overseas deals for 1013 00:53:53,926 --> 00:53:58,365 you the way Steve Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, got. 1014 00:53:58,409 --> 00:54:02,500 Then there's another set of tax rules for the fortunate and the 1015 00:54:02,543 --> 00:54:05,067 well-connected. 1016 00:54:05,111 --> 00:54:07,635 They can pretty much decide under the tax law what they're 1017 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,420 going to pay, when they're going to pay it, 1018 00:54:12,031 --> 00:54:15,469 and in some instances, almost nothing. 1019 00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:22,128 MAN 6: The problem today is really that the U.S. 1020 00:54:22,171 --> 00:54:25,436 is the best place to put your assets. 1021 00:54:25,479 --> 00:54:28,003 ♪♪ 1022 00:54:28,047 --> 00:54:29,614 MAN 6: Over the last couple of decades, 1023 00:54:29,657 --> 00:54:31,790 we've seen increasingly that shell companies registered in 1024 00:54:31,833 --> 00:54:35,663 the U.S. are used to commit all sorts of crimes 1025 00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:36,925 from human trafficking to drug trafficking 1026 00:54:36,969 --> 00:54:37,665 to arms dealing. 1027 00:54:37,709 --> 00:54:39,580 The list goes on and on. 1028 00:54:42,801 --> 00:54:45,369 BASTIAN: Looking to Delaware, looking to Nevada, 1029 00:54:45,412 --> 00:54:47,414 that's a, for example, a jurisdiction Mossack Fonseca was 1030 00:54:47,458 --> 00:54:49,024 very active. 1031 00:54:49,068 --> 00:54:51,070 KEVIN: We found a lot of Brazilians hiding property owned 1032 00:54:51,113 --> 00:54:53,202 in Brazil through Nevada offshore, 1033 00:54:53,246 --> 00:54:57,685 so Nevada was being used by Brazilians in a way that Cayman 1034 00:54:57,729 --> 00:54:58,817 Islands, Bahamas might be used by an American trying to hide 1035 00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:00,775 ownership of an asset. 1036 00:55:00,819 --> 00:55:05,171 [chatter] 1037 00:55:05,214 --> 00:55:07,913 DINA: Well, Nevada has always had this approach to raising 1038 00:55:07,956 --> 00:55:10,045 revenue that we wanna attack somebody else, 1039 00:55:10,089 --> 00:55:11,699 not the people who live here. 1040 00:55:11,743 --> 00:55:15,921 Though, back in the '90s, they decided to become the Delaware 1041 00:55:15,964 --> 00:55:19,316 of the west and tried to follow that example and make it very 1042 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:24,103 easy for shell companies, LLCs, to be set up there without 1043 00:55:24,146 --> 00:55:27,759 having any kind of information available about who owned them 1044 00:55:27,802 --> 00:55:30,022 or who benefited from them. 1045 00:55:30,065 --> 00:55:32,198 I said, at the time, that it was, 1046 00:55:32,241 --> 00:55:34,722 might as well hang up a shingle and say, 1047 00:55:34,766 --> 00:55:37,203 "Welcome scumbags and sleaze balls" because those are the 1048 00:55:37,246 --> 00:55:40,598 kind of people who want to keep their information secret, 1049 00:55:40,641 --> 00:55:42,643 but it became a source of revenue, 1050 00:55:42,687 --> 00:55:44,123 so you didn't have to raise taxes. 1051 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,783 DINA: Well, I'm afraid they're rolling back the protections 1052 00:55:51,826 --> 00:55:53,088 that were put in at Dodd-Frank and a lot of that was about 1053 00:55:53,132 --> 00:55:55,830 accountability and transparency. 1054 00:55:55,874 --> 00:55:58,790 Banks fought that, so they're certainly not gonna want to open 1055 00:55:58,833 --> 00:56:00,661 it up any further. 1056 00:56:02,315 --> 00:56:06,928 MAN 5: You can find tax havens all around the world. 1057 00:56:06,972 --> 00:56:09,409 They are in the U.S., they are in the UK. 1058 00:56:09,453 --> 00:56:11,890 GERARD: Now having done six of these projects, 1059 00:56:11,933 --> 00:56:14,109 I would say with some certainty that the, 1060 00:56:14,153 --> 00:56:16,895 probably the biggest tax haven in the world is-is Britain, 1061 00:56:16,938 --> 00:56:20,464 and its, you know, its former colonies. 1062 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:21,769 JULIETTE: We're open for business. 1063 00:56:21,813 --> 00:56:23,380 We like oligarchs. 1064 00:56:23,423 --> 00:56:26,078 I don't want to exaggerate and say we're just a tax haven, 1065 00:56:26,121 --> 00:56:30,735 but you know, the-the state is-is captured by finance. 1066 00:56:31,953 --> 00:56:33,564 GERARD: Close behind it is America, 1067 00:56:33,607 --> 00:56:35,827 and I think in the future, it would be great if someone gave 1068 00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:37,916 us, you know, Delaware leaks. 1069 00:56:37,959 --> 00:56:41,398 We would uncover, you know, secrets that may be bigger than 1070 00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:43,269 anything we've ever done before. 1071 00:56:43,312 --> 00:56:44,488 ♪♪ 1072 00:56:44,531 --> 00:56:46,838 JOHN: I call on the European Commission, 1073 00:56:46,881 --> 00:56:50,102 the British Parliament, the United States Congress, 1074 00:56:50,145 --> 00:56:53,105 and all nations to take swift action, 1075 00:56:53,148 --> 00:56:55,194 not only to protect whistleblowers, 1076 00:56:55,237 --> 00:56:58,197 but to put an end to the global abuse of corporate registers. 1077 00:56:59,807 --> 00:57:02,941 Tax evasion cannot possibly be fixed while elected officials 1078 00:57:02,984 --> 00:57:06,379 are pleading for money from the very elites who have the 1079 00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:09,121 strongest incentives to avoid taxes relative to any other 1080 00:57:09,164 --> 00:57:10,862 segment of the population. 1081 00:57:10,905 --> 00:57:20,611 ♪♪ 1082 00:57:20,654 --> 00:57:30,403 ♪♪ 1083 00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:34,015 FREDERIK: I was actually concerned every day about the 1084 00:57:34,059 --> 00:57:38,759 security of this whole project because let's face the facts. 1085 00:57:38,803 --> 00:57:42,284 Journalists like to speak about their work. 1086 00:57:42,328 --> 00:57:44,417 GERARD: You know, every journalist you bring in, 1087 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:46,898 they're probably going to tell their life partner, 1088 00:57:46,941 --> 00:57:48,900 they're probably going to tell their best friends, 1089 00:57:48,943 --> 00:57:50,945 so the risks were going up exponentially every time you 1090 00:57:50,989 --> 00:57:52,643 brought somebody in. 1091 00:57:52,686 --> 00:57:56,081 MATTHEW: We were so focused on the digital part that I think 1092 00:57:56,124 --> 00:57:59,040 you forget that a lot of journalists are going to need to 1093 00:57:59,084 --> 00:58:02,043 have interviews with sources, 1094 00:58:02,087 --> 00:58:05,438 they're going to have these interviews in bars or in cafes 1095 00:58:05,482 --> 00:58:09,529 or in public places, and they're not going to be conscious of the 1096 00:58:09,573 --> 00:58:12,053 fact that other people might be following them or listening to 1097 00:58:12,097 --> 00:58:13,490 their conversation. 1098 00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:16,188 LUKE: It's funny, really, because to, generally, 1099 00:58:16,231 --> 00:58:18,843 toextract secrets from a journalist, 1100 00:58:18,886 --> 00:58:21,410 you just need to take the journalist to the bar, 1101 00:58:21,454 --> 00:58:23,935 buy the journalist a beer or maybe two beers, 1102 00:58:23,978 --> 00:58:26,503 if they're, if they're being kind of tricky, 1103 00:58:26,546 --> 00:58:28,548 and they will tell you everything. 1104 00:58:28,592 --> 00:58:30,419 MAN 7: My colleagues say, I haven't seen any stories. 1105 00:58:30,463 --> 00:58:31,420 What are you doing? 1106 00:58:31,464 --> 00:58:32,639 I say, it's a project. 1107 00:58:32,683 --> 00:58:35,120 It's a regional project, actually worldwide, 1108 00:58:35,163 --> 00:58:37,165 and we're just looking at something. 1109 00:58:37,209 --> 00:58:39,124 And they say, well, when's it coming out? 1110 00:58:39,167 --> 00:58:40,647 Well, I couldn't really answer. 1111 00:58:42,954 --> 00:58:46,087 JOÓHANNES: You had this in mind the whole time that one 1112 00:58:46,131 --> 00:58:48,525 mistake could jeopardize the whole project. 1113 00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:52,006 RITA: My life, during all those months, 1114 00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:54,052 was kinda like a spy life. 1115 00:58:54,095 --> 00:58:56,271 I couldn't tell them what I was doing, 1116 00:58:56,315 --> 00:58:58,709 and I felt awful because, at the same time, 1117 00:58:58,752 --> 00:59:01,059 I was investigating my friends. 1118 00:59:01,102 --> 00:59:04,541 I would go to dinner parties, and during the day, 1119 00:59:04,584 --> 00:59:08,196 I was just searching documents that somehow mentioned them. 1120 00:59:09,284 --> 00:59:11,504 EL NORTE: We felt responsible for their safety and that that 1121 00:59:11,548 --> 00:59:15,943 was also something we repeatedly told our colleagues. 1122 00:59:15,987 --> 00:59:18,859 Be aware that there is colleagues of us out there 1123 00:59:18,903 --> 00:59:20,905 risking their life with this reporting, 1124 00:59:20,948 --> 00:59:23,908 and if you tell too much, you could risk their life. 1125 01:00:01,859 --> 01:00:03,512 BASTIAN: In the last weeks before our publication date, 1126 01:00:03,556 --> 01:00:07,038 we had to do everything to protect our source, 1127 01:00:07,081 --> 01:00:10,215 so we stopped all communications. 1128 01:00:10,258 --> 01:00:13,914 We destroyed effectively the-the devices that we used to 1129 01:00:13,958 --> 01:00:15,307 communicate with the source. 1130 01:00:15,350 --> 01:00:17,135 My iPhone and my computer. 1131 01:00:17,178 --> 01:00:21,443 We deleted all the files with several programs, 1132 01:00:21,487 --> 01:00:24,969 so run it over and over and over until it was 1133 01:00:25,012 --> 01:00:26,448 completely flat. 1134 01:00:26,492 --> 01:00:29,234 But then, again, we weren't really sure, 1135 01:00:29,277 --> 01:00:31,279 you know, if you really can trust this, 1136 01:00:31,323 --> 01:00:34,631 so, I more or less took a hammer and started 1137 01:00:34,674 --> 01:00:37,677 smashing the things. 1138 01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:41,289 We didn't want to throw it away because we were so paranoid back 1139 01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:44,902 then that we thoguh if someone finds it, 1140 01:00:44,945 --> 01:00:47,905 maybe he can do something with it. 1141 01:00:48,688 --> 01:00:51,430 MARINA: The most dangerous moment in the investigation, 1142 01:00:51,473 --> 01:00:55,173 and the most tense moment, when we start reaching out to people 1143 01:00:55,216 --> 01:00:57,305 for comment. 1144 01:00:58,916 --> 01:01:04,051 If we have had a year to look at your bank information and your 1145 01:01:04,095 --> 01:01:07,489 company information, we are not going to surprise you. 1146 01:01:07,533 --> 01:01:09,666 BASTIAN: You don't approach people and say, 1147 01:01:09,709 --> 01:01:12,886 listen, the team of Mossack Fonseca, 1148 01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:15,367 you lost all your data. [laughs] 1149 01:01:17,543 --> 01:01:19,066 JULIETTE: The camera crews for the broadcasters 1150 01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:21,373 involved in the project descended on the offices of 1151 01:01:21,416 --> 01:01:25,246 Mossack Fonseca in Panama City and demanded to talk to someone, 1152 01:01:25,290 --> 01:01:26,117 get a statement. 1153 01:01:36,736 --> 01:01:38,651 BASTIAN: We sent them an email. 1154 01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:42,307 We saw documents that seemed to indicate that you have many 1155 01:01:42,350 --> 01:01:45,397 troubles with your due diligence and the way you choose 1156 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,268 your customers. 1157 01:01:50,576 --> 01:01:53,753 BASTIAN: Then it follows, um, a long list of questions. 1158 01:01:53,797 --> 01:01:56,190 Very detailed, very much to the cases. 1159 01:01:56,234 --> 01:01:59,498 So they said, we're not involved in illegal dealings. 1160 01:01:59,541 --> 01:02:03,676 We have never contact with the customers directly. 1161 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,115 We only work with intermediaries, which are lies. 1162 01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:11,640 Well, I've heard, well now, everything might blow up. 1163 01:02:11,684 --> 01:02:14,556 Now it will be hundreds of lawyers trying to stop our 1164 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,995 reporting, hundreds of people all around the world get 1165 01:02:18,038 --> 01:02:19,953 knowledge about our investigation, 1166 01:02:19,997 --> 01:02:22,042 and that's people like drug lords, 1167 01:02:22,086 --> 01:02:24,871 criminals, and of course we feared that something 1168 01:02:24,915 --> 01:02:25,916 might happen. 1169 01:02:25,959 --> 01:02:32,313 [lightning and thunder] 1170 01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:34,359 RITA: It was very stressful for-for all of us 1171 01:02:34,402 --> 01:02:38,363 because at that point, yeah, we had to call our sources, 1172 01:02:38,406 --> 01:02:40,757 we had to call the people that we were writing about, 1173 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,675 and people started to know more and more and more. 1174 01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:51,245 We started to have a bodyguard because that's when we 1175 01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:54,683 received a non-direct threat by Mossack Fonseca. 1176 01:02:54,727 --> 01:02:56,816 So they came and said, you know, we know you have a journalist 1177 01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:59,297 who's helping the international media, 1178 01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:02,779 and she, and she's been she's been paid for, 1179 01:03:02,822 --> 01:03:06,478 and she is trying to diminish the reputation of 1180 01:03:06,521 --> 01:03:09,133 our firm and the country, and she was gonna have to, 1181 01:03:09,176 --> 01:03:12,397 you know, suffer the consequences. 1182 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,790 So the paper immediately said, you know, 1183 01:03:13,833 --> 01:03:16,662 you can't be around without any protection. 1184 01:03:16,705 --> 01:03:18,446 My friends were here. 1185 01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:21,101 We go pick them up at the hotel, and there's, 1186 01:03:21,145 --> 01:03:23,190 there is a bodyguard there driving the car. 1187 01:03:23,234 --> 01:03:25,627 So we said, oh, it's just an Uber. 1188 01:03:25,671 --> 01:03:28,282 But we forgot to hide the gun he had in the middle of the 1189 01:03:28,326 --> 01:03:29,849 front seat. 1190 01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:34,506 We had to live a double life and-and that really was 1191 01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:38,597 something that changed our lives from that moment. 1192 01:03:42,166 --> 01:03:44,908 FREDERIK: The most frightening moment for me 1193 01:03:44,951 --> 01:03:50,391 shortly before publication was when I personally had to write 1194 01:03:50,435 --> 01:03:55,222 an email to the Kremlin basically addressing it to "Dear 1195 01:03:55,266 --> 01:03:59,879 Mr. Vladimir Putin" and laying out what we found in regards to 1196 01:03:59,923 --> 01:04:05,885 this net of companies around his friend Sergei Roldugin that was 1197 01:04:05,929 --> 01:04:09,758 funneling hundreds of millions of dollar out of Russia, 1198 01:04:09,802 --> 01:04:14,589 and I've never written an email to Vladimir Putin before. 1199 01:04:14,633 --> 01:04:17,897 Some days later, Vladimir Putin's spokesperson, 1200 01:04:17,941 --> 01:04:22,336 Mr. Peskov, did a press conference in Moscow. 1201 01:04:22,380 --> 01:04:24,817 DMITRY PESKOV: The documents show nothing 1202 01:04:24,861 --> 01:04:26,427 about Mister Putin. 1203 01:04:26,471 --> 01:04:31,780 Everything that was, interconnected with our 1204 01:04:31,824 --> 01:04:34,174 president, was written by newspapers. 1205 01:04:34,218 --> 01:04:36,655 It was written by journalists without having 1206 01:04:36,698 --> 01:04:39,266 obvious facts for that. 1207 01:04:39,310 --> 01:04:41,616 FREDERIK: It was clear to me, oh, shit. 1208 01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:45,316 He's speaking about that email I sent some days ago. 1209 01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:47,361 DMITRY: And now we're understanding this is nothing 1210 01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:50,669 else by, but a reflection of, 1211 01:04:50,712 --> 01:04:53,672 let's say, an overwhelmed 1212 01:04:53,715 --> 01:04:57,545 Putin-aphobia disease that unfortunately has quite spread 1213 01:04:57,589 --> 01:05:02,594 now in lots of media. 1214 01:05:02,637 --> 01:05:06,467 FREDERIK: It was clearly obvious that the Kremlin was pissed off. 1215 01:05:08,339 --> 01:05:12,517 MARINA: We got a lot of legal threats and there were so many. 1216 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,954 They were really piling up. 1217 01:05:14,998 --> 01:05:18,958 Everyone that we contacted recruited the best lawyers to 1218 01:05:19,002 --> 01:05:23,963 threaten ICIJ, to try to, um, get us to show them documents, 1219 01:05:24,007 --> 01:05:28,185 to try to get us to not publish the story. 1220 01:05:28,707 --> 01:05:31,840 SCOTT: Drug trafficking, income inequality, poverty. 1221 01:05:31,884 --> 01:05:34,365 You look at those problems in the world, 1222 01:05:34,408 --> 01:05:38,804 and a lot of the keys to addressing those problems are in 1223 01:05:38,847 --> 01:05:40,588 the Panama Papers. 1224 01:05:40,632 --> 01:05:46,507 Even though you feel like you, you may wake up one day and-and 1225 01:05:46,551 --> 01:05:49,641 have somebody in your bedroom pointing a gun at you, 1226 01:05:49,684 --> 01:05:52,774 you feel like youhave to keep going on this because it's 1227 01:05:52,818 --> 01:05:55,734 too important. 1228 01:05:58,737 --> 01:06:00,173 JOÓHANNES: So coming from Iceland, 1229 01:06:00,217 --> 01:06:03,785 I knew that if I would start asking questions about the 1230 01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:05,787 offshore company of the Prime Minister, 1231 01:06:05,831 --> 01:06:11,271 early, then all the alarm bells would ring inside the 1232 01:06:11,315 --> 01:06:15,188 government and inside the institutions here in Iceland. 1233 01:06:15,232 --> 01:06:19,410 So we had to find a way to get 1234 01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:23,805 the reactions from the Prime Minister on camera. 1235 01:06:23,849 --> 01:06:28,375 So we decided after a lengthy talk about the ethical 1236 01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:31,813 issues, to confront him. 1237 01:06:32,727 --> 01:06:34,120 JOURNALIST: Mister Prime Minister, 1238 01:06:34,164 --> 01:06:38,429 what can you tell me about a company called Wintris? 1239 01:06:38,472 --> 01:06:44,565 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: Well, [sighs] it's a company of, 1240 01:06:44,609 --> 01:06:48,395 if I recall correctly, which is associated with one of the 1241 01:06:48,439 --> 01:06:50,441 companies that I, was on a board of, 1242 01:06:50,484 --> 01:06:57,709 and, it was a, hadan account which as I, 1243 01:06:57,752 --> 01:07:02,931 as I mentioned, has been with the tax, 1244 01:07:02,975 --> 01:07:06,457 on the tax account since it was established. 1245 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:09,460 So now I'm starting to feel a bit strange about this question 1246 01:07:09,503 --> 01:07:12,376 because it's like you are accusing me of something when 1247 01:07:12,419 --> 01:07:16,815 you are asking me about a company that has been on my-- 1248 01:07:16,858 --> 01:07:18,121 JOURNALIST: Let, let-- 1249 01:07:18,164 --> 01:07:19,296 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: --tax return from 1250 01:07:19,339 --> 01:07:20,601 the beginning. 1251 01:07:20,645 --> 01:07:22,081 JOURNALIST: Yeah, it must be okay for me as a 1252 01:07:22,125 --> 01:07:23,517 journalist to ask the Prime Minister about personal-- 1253 01:07:23,561 --> 01:07:25,128 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: Yes, sure. 1254 01:07:25,171 --> 01:07:28,087 But you are indicating that I have not paid, taxes on it. 1255 01:07:28,131 --> 01:07:29,219 JOURNALIST: No, I'm just asking you questions. 1256 01:07:29,262 --> 01:07:29,610 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: Okay, 1257 01:07:29,654 --> 01:07:31,003 okay. 1258 01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:32,700 JOURNALIST: So, so, uh, to go into the details, 1259 01:07:32,744 --> 01:07:34,963 I would like my partner to do it in Icelandic because I don't 1260 01:07:35,007 --> 01:07:37,792 have the details, uh, to discuss it. 1261 01:08:24,796 --> 01:08:26,319 KRISTJAÁNSSON: The time between the interview and the 1262 01:08:26,363 --> 01:08:29,496 publication was a stressful time. 1263 01:08:29,540 --> 01:08:31,542 The wife of the Prime Minister, 1264 01:08:31,585 --> 01:08:36,024 she posted a Facebook status talking about some 1265 01:08:36,068 --> 01:08:38,853 attacks from the media. 1266 01:08:38,897 --> 01:08:42,118 Soon, I realized that, uh, we shouldn't be afraid because we 1267 01:08:42,161 --> 01:08:46,078 had all the materials, we had the interview, 1268 01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:49,081 uh, and uh, I talk, I told my staff, 1269 01:08:49,125 --> 01:08:51,997 you know, just relax because we are going to publish this and, 1270 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,565 uh, it will be big. 1271 01:09:02,921 --> 01:09:04,705 PAUL: We were utterly convinced that night that we were gonna 1272 01:09:04,749 --> 01:09:08,448 light the Blue Torch Paper despite nobody going beforehand, 1273 01:09:08,492 --> 01:09:10,450 there was still an air of expectancy. 1274 01:09:10,494 --> 01:09:12,583 People knew a big story was coming. 1275 01:09:12,626 --> 01:09:14,715 LUKE: What was weird was about ten minutes before we were due 1276 01:09:14,759 --> 01:09:18,110 to press send, Edward Snowden tweeted out a link to the 1277 01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:21,026 English language website of Suüddeutsche Zeitung MAN 4: The 1278 01:09:21,069 --> 01:09:24,377 people who follow him then were alerted to this, 1279 01:09:24,421 --> 01:09:26,466 and that's a pretty wide universe. 1280 01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:28,468 JULIETTE: Gerard Ryle, the Director of the ICIJ, 1281 01:09:28,512 --> 01:09:30,818 is hammering the phones getting everyone to just hold 1282 01:09:30,862 --> 01:09:32,516 their nerve. 1283 01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:33,952 GERARD: I thought it was very important that we all hold the 1284 01:09:33,995 --> 01:09:36,041 line, that what was happening with the press 1285 01:09:36,084 --> 01:09:38,696 conference from the Kremlin and what was happening in Iceland at 1286 01:09:38,739 --> 01:09:41,089 the time where parts of the story were getting out through 1287 01:09:41,133 --> 01:09:43,614 Facebook, through the Icelandic Prime Minister's wife, 1288 01:09:43,657 --> 01:09:45,659 like there was a lot of nervousness, 1289 01:09:45,703 --> 01:09:47,661 and I really thought that all of these events, 1290 01:09:47,705 --> 01:09:49,794 all of these small things happening, 1291 01:09:49,837 --> 01:09:51,752 even though, you know, we were being talked about a week 1292 01:09:51,796 --> 01:09:53,798 beforehand, no one really knew the bigger story. 1293 01:09:53,841 --> 01:09:55,800 JULIETTE: You know, I'm, uh, describing it a bit like a, 1294 01:09:55,843 --> 01:09:58,933 a general standing at the top of the hill holding back the 1295 01:09:58,977 --> 01:10:01,588 troops, you know, waiting as the opposing army approaches, 1296 01:10:01,632 --> 01:10:04,722 approaches, you know, hold, hold, hold, go! 1297 01:10:04,765 --> 01:10:05,766 Charge! [chuckles] 1298 01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:07,812 TIM: When that day hits, 1299 01:10:07,855 --> 01:10:10,554 things happen fairly quickly. 1300 01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:15,211 NEWS REPORTER 20: The so-called Panama Papers now exposing the 1301 01:10:15,254 --> 01:10:19,606 secret financial dealings of politicians and celebrities. 1302 01:10:19,650 --> 01:10:21,695 NEWS REPORTER 21: Many of the world's most powerful 1303 01:10:21,739 --> 01:10:24,132 politicians, wealthy business owners and popular celebrities 1304 01:10:24,176 --> 01:10:26,657 are now desperately trying to distance themselves from the 1305 01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:30,835 fallout and consequences of the Panama Papers. 1306 01:10:30,878 --> 01:10:33,664 MARISA: There was an immediate response on social media. 1307 01:10:33,707 --> 01:10:35,666 MAN 8: They're all on the inside, 1308 01:10:35,709 --> 01:10:37,537 we are out on the street looking in. 1309 01:10:37,581 --> 01:10:39,409 Hello? 1310 01:10:39,452 --> 01:10:41,106 MARINA: This thing exploded and took an entire life of its own. 1311 01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:43,195 NEWS REPORTER 22: We turn now to the banking bombshell causing 1312 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:44,805 shockwaves around the world. 1313 01:10:44,849 --> 01:10:45,893 NEWS REPORTER 23: Panama Papers... 1314 01:10:45,937 --> 01:10:47,504 NEWS REPORTER 24: [speaking Spanish] 1315 01:10:47,547 --> 01:10:49,070 NEWS REPORTER 25: [speaking Spanish] The Panama Papers... 1316 01:10:49,114 --> 01:10:50,376 NEWS REPORTER 26: [speaking Spanish] The Panama Papers. 1317 01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:51,856 GEORGE: What may be the largest leak of secret documents 1318 01:10:51,899 --> 01:10:53,466 in history. 1319 01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:55,207 NEWS REPORTER 27: A blockbuster release of millions of 1320 01:10:55,251 --> 01:10:56,730 financial documents. 1321 01:10:56,774 --> 01:10:58,819 NEWS REPORTER 28: This is the biggest attack on the tax 1322 01:10:58,863 --> 01:10:59,951 shelter industry. 1323 01:10:59,994 --> 01:11:01,082 It's a trillion dollar industry. 1324 01:11:01,126 --> 01:11:02,040 NEWS REPORTER 29: It is. 1325 01:11:02,083 --> 01:11:03,259 It is a trillion dollar industry. 1326 01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:05,173 JAKE: The UK, France, Australia, Mexico, 1327 01:11:05,217 --> 01:11:07,393 all say they're going to investigate. 1328 01:11:08,307 --> 01:11:13,225 ROBERTO: When it blew up, I had no idea the size of 1329 01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:15,009 the situation. 1330 01:11:15,053 --> 01:11:16,620 NEWS REPORTER 30: Panama Police have raided the offices of the 1331 01:11:16,663 --> 01:11:20,058 law firm at the center of the country's massive data leak. 1332 01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:33,593 JACK: Now the problem is can the various judicial systems of the 1333 01:11:33,637 --> 01:11:37,554 world handle all of this material without getting a 1334 01:11:37,597 --> 01:11:40,992 horrendous case of indigestion? 1335 01:12:08,759 --> 01:12:11,022 JUÜRGEN: We have always dealt with professional clients all 1336 01:12:11,065 --> 01:12:12,502 over the world, only. 1337 01:12:12,545 --> 01:12:15,635 RITA: After the publication, the example they gave it, 1338 01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,550 we were like a knife factory, you know? 1339 01:12:17,594 --> 01:12:18,856 We sell the knives. 1340 01:12:18,899 --> 01:12:20,945 If people kill, kill other people with knives, 1341 01:12:20,988 --> 01:12:22,729 it is not our fault. 1342 01:12:22,773 --> 01:12:26,559 The problem is they always knew who had the knives and what were 1343 01:12:26,603 --> 01:12:28,822 they gonna do with the knives. 1344 01:12:29,562 --> 01:12:31,390 NEWS REPORTER 32: The law firm is denying any wrongdoing. 1345 01:12:31,434 --> 01:12:35,655 RITA: When we'd realized how big it was was when we saw people 1346 01:12:35,699 --> 01:12:38,136 going out in the streets. 1347 01:12:38,179 --> 01:12:40,443 [cheering] 1348 01:12:42,053 --> 01:12:43,707 NEWS REPORTER 33: Thousands of Icelanders took the streets, 1349 01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:46,405 calling on the Prime Minister to resign following allegations he 1350 01:12:46,449 --> 01:12:48,364 benefited from offshore holdings and tax havens. 1351 01:12:52,368 --> 01:12:56,110 NEWS REPORTER 34: The first casualty of the Panama Papers 1352 01:12:56,154 --> 01:12:57,634 has fallen. 1353 01:12:57,677 --> 01:13:00,463 Prime Minister of Iceland yielded his post on Tuesday amid 1354 01:13:00,506 --> 01:13:02,900 public uproar that he failed to disclose links to an 1355 01:13:02,943 --> 01:13:04,684 offshore company. 1356 01:13:04,728 --> 01:13:10,211 [speaking foreign language] 1357 01:13:10,255 --> 01:13:13,040 NEWS REPORTER 35: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, he may be thrown 1358 01:13:13,084 --> 01:13:14,955 out of office over allegations that his family owned several 1359 01:13:14,999 --> 01:13:16,783 illegal offshore businesses. 1360 01:13:16,827 --> 01:13:19,830 CROWD: [speaking foreign language] 1361 01:13:19,873 --> 01:13:23,181 NEWS REPORTER 36: Corruption and bribery at the highest level 1362 01:13:23,224 --> 01:13:25,488 on the streets of Rio Sao Paulo and dozens of other cities. 1363 01:13:25,531 --> 01:13:28,969 Protestors laid the blame at the door of President 1364 01:13:29,013 --> 01:13:30,144 Dilma Rousseff. 1365 01:13:30,188 --> 01:13:32,190 MAN 8: Every day there is a new scandal. 1366 01:13:32,233 --> 01:13:33,974 Every day there is something related to money being taken out 1367 01:13:34,018 --> 01:13:35,976 of the country. 1368 01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:37,761 NEWS REPORTER 37: We have some breaking news from Brazil where 1369 01:13:37,804 --> 01:13:41,155 the senate there has voted to impeach President Dilma Rousseff 1370 01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,419 and plunges the country into political chaos. 1371 01:13:43,462 --> 01:13:45,072 KEVIN: Look at Brazil. 1372 01:13:45,116 --> 01:13:48,685 That's probably the country where the Panama Papers has had 1373 01:13:48,728 --> 01:13:49,686 the most impact. 1374 01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:53,994 [sirens] 1375 01:13:54,038 --> 01:13:56,257 KEVIN: Iceland got the headlines with the president. 1376 01:13:56,301 --> 01:13:59,478 The entire [chuckles] ruling structure of Brazil is crumbling 1377 01:13:59,522 --> 01:14:01,306 because so many of them are tied into this money 1378 01:14:01,349 --> 01:14:02,960 laundering scheme. 1379 01:14:03,003 --> 01:14:04,788 CROWD: [speaking foreign language] 1380 01:14:04,831 --> 01:14:06,485 [beating on fence] 1381 01:14:06,529 --> 01:14:08,008 NEWS REPORTER 38: Protestors in the Argentine capital Buenos 1382 01:14:08,052 --> 01:14:10,271 Aires are calling for the country's president to step down 1383 01:14:10,315 --> 01:14:13,187 after the so-called Panama Papers revealed Mauricio Macri 1384 01:14:13,231 --> 01:14:17,322 is on the board of two offshore firms: One in the Bahamas, 1385 01:14:17,365 --> 01:14:18,932 the other in Panama. 1386 01:14:18,976 --> 01:14:22,370 NEWS REPORTER 39: Several thousand people filled a square 1387 01:14:22,414 --> 01:14:25,896 in Malta's capital on Sunday, and demanded the resignation of 1388 01:14:25,939 --> 01:14:27,375 Prime Minister Joseph Muscat. 1389 01:14:27,419 --> 01:14:29,987 MATTHEW: My mother was in Malta alone, 1390 01:14:30,030 --> 01:14:33,643 fighting this with no, no one backing her at all. 1391 01:14:33,686 --> 01:14:36,341 No institution. 1392 01:14:36,384 --> 01:14:38,822 GERARD: Daphne had been working on a number of post-Panama 1393 01:14:38,865 --> 01:14:40,867 Paper stories. 1394 01:14:40,911 --> 01:14:43,522 She wasn't involved in the Panama Papers investigation 1395 01:14:43,566 --> 01:14:46,133 itself, but she had taken our reporting and gone further. 1396 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,225 JACOB: [speaks foreign language] 1397 01:14:51,269 --> 01:14:52,357 KONRAD: Good evening. 1398 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:53,619 Um, today, the, yesterday's piece... 1399 01:15:03,803 --> 01:15:05,413 KONRAD: There are no bank accounts, 1400 01:15:05,457 --> 01:15:06,850 uh, no, no, no funds. 1401 01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:15,685 KONRAD: And there are absolutely no funds. 1402 01:15:15,728 --> 01:15:16,424 Thank you. 1403 01:15:16,468 --> 01:15:17,338 [overlapping chatter] 1404 01:15:18,731 --> 01:15:21,995 MATTHEW: When the story broke, they didn't resign. 1405 01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:23,562 I mean, I couldn't believe it. 1406 01:15:23,606 --> 01:15:26,086 I could see, I mean, it was like a disaster unfolding in 1407 01:15:26,130 --> 01:15:27,000 slow motion. 1408 01:15:54,419 --> 01:16:00,120 [overlapping chatter] 1409 01:16:00,164 --> 01:16:02,558 NEWS REPORTER 40: British Prime Minister David Cameron faces 1410 01:16:02,601 --> 01:16:06,039 backlash for implications in the recently leaked Panama Papers. 1411 01:16:06,083 --> 01:16:07,388 JULIETTE: And that's when things in the UK just went 1412 01:16:07,432 --> 01:16:09,826 really crazy. 1413 01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:11,305 [overlapping chatter] 1414 01:16:11,349 --> 01:16:12,959 LUKE: There was turmoil in this country. 1415 01:16:13,003 --> 01:16:14,700 David Cameron had the worst week. 1416 01:16:14,744 --> 01:16:17,094 [overlapping jeering] 1417 01:16:17,137 --> 01:16:20,924 DAVID: Thank you, Mister Speaker. 1418 01:16:20,967 --> 01:16:22,490 Thank you, Mister Speaker. 1419 01:16:22,534 --> 01:16:23,317 With permission, I would like to make a statement on the 1420 01:16:23,361 --> 01:16:24,667 Panama Papers. 1421 01:16:25,145 --> 01:16:26,930 Dealing with my own circumstances first, 1422 01:16:26,973 --> 01:16:30,368 yesterday I published all the information in my tax returns, 1423 01:16:30,411 --> 01:16:32,892 not just for the last year, but for the last six years. 1424 01:16:32,936 --> 01:16:35,286 I've also given additional information about money 1425 01:16:35,329 --> 01:16:38,506 inherited and given to me by my family so people can see the 1426 01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:40,508 sources of income that I have. 1427 01:16:40,552 --> 01:16:43,076 This is an entirely standard practice, 1428 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,123 and it is not to avoid tax. 1429 01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:49,561 JEREMY CORBYN: May I thank the Prime Minister for the 1430 01:16:49,605 --> 01:16:51,476 advance site of his statement. 1431 01:16:51,519 --> 01:16:55,306 It is absolutely a masterclass in the art of distraction. 1432 01:16:56,307 --> 01:16:58,178 [laughter] 1433 01:16:58,222 --> 01:17:00,354 JULIETTE: He refused to say whether he had any money in his 1434 01:17:00,398 --> 01:17:01,529 father's offshore fund. 1435 01:17:01,573 --> 01:17:03,575 PAUL: He'd gone on record saying, 1436 01:17:03,619 --> 01:17:05,533 we've gotta end secrecy about tax avoidance. 1437 01:17:05,577 --> 01:17:07,971 He'd gone on record saying we've gotta shine a light on where 1438 01:17:08,014 --> 01:17:09,581 this money comes from. 1439 01:17:09,625 --> 01:17:11,931 DAVID: Some of these schemes where people are parking huge 1440 01:17:11,975 --> 01:17:15,326 amounts of money offshore and taking loans back to just 1441 01:17:15,369 --> 01:17:19,547 minimize their tax rates, it is not morally acceptable. 1442 01:17:19,591 --> 01:17:21,680 PAUL: So he then had to come out, 1443 01:17:21,724 --> 01:17:24,248 and this was the fourth or fifth explanation over a period of 1444 01:17:24,291 --> 01:17:26,163 three days, saying, well, actually, 1445 01:17:26,206 --> 01:17:27,425 I did benefit from the shares. 1446 01:17:27,468 --> 01:17:30,210 DAVID: Samantha and I had a joint account. 1447 01:17:30,254 --> 01:17:33,257 We owned, uh, 5,000 units in Blaire Moore, 1448 01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:38,305 uh, Investment Trust, which we sold in January, uh, 2010. 1449 01:17:38,349 --> 01:17:41,178 Uh, that was worth something like 30,000 pounds. 1450 01:17:41,221 --> 01:17:43,267 Was there a profit on it? 1451 01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:45,312 I paid, um, income tax on the dividends, 1452 01:17:45,356 --> 01:17:47,401 but there was a profit on it, 1453 01:17:47,445 --> 01:17:50,187 but it was less than the capital gains tax allowance, 1454 01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:52,276 so I didn't pay capital gains tax, 1455 01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:55,018 but it was subject to all the UK taxes in all the normal ways. 1456 01:17:56,541 --> 01:17:58,674 WOMAN 3: A few months later, Britain was gonna hold a 1457 01:17:58,717 --> 01:18:02,721 referendum on whether to leave the European Union. 1458 01:18:02,765 --> 01:18:06,203 NEWS REPORTER 41: People of Britain have spoken, 1459 01:18:06,246 --> 01:18:08,292 voting for a British exit, dubbed Brexit, 1460 01:18:08,335 --> 01:18:11,295 with almost 52% of the votes choosing to leave the 28 1461 01:18:11,338 --> 01:18:14,428 member European Union. 1462 01:18:14,472 --> 01:18:17,170 NEWS REPORTER 41: And Cameron was the figurehead for Romaine, 1463 01:18:17,214 --> 01:18:20,434 but the British press is dominated by press barrons who 1464 01:18:20,478 --> 01:18:24,351 wanted us to leave, and it suited their agenda to destroy 1465 01:18:24,395 --> 01:18:25,962 the figurehead for Romane. 1466 01:18:28,051 --> 01:18:30,096 DAVID: On Wednesday, I would attend the House of Commons for 1467 01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:32,664 Prime Ministers, answer questions, and then after that, 1468 01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:35,667 I expect to go to the Palace and offer my resignation, 1469 01:18:35,711 --> 01:18:38,278 so we'll have a new Prime Minister in that building behind 1470 01:18:38,322 --> 01:18:40,454 me by Wednesday evening. 1471 01:18:40,498 --> 01:18:42,543 Thank you very much. 1472 01:18:43,588 --> 01:18:46,156 PAUL: Cameron helped to create this moral atmosphere which 1473 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:49,725 said, look, this behavior is wrong and should not be helped 1474 01:18:49,768 --> 01:18:53,293 by the laws that we have in existence at the moment. 1475 01:18:53,337 --> 01:18:57,341 ♪♪ 1476 01:18:57,384 --> 01:18:59,778 [applause] 1477 01:18:59,822 --> 01:19:02,476 MAN 8: The documents show allies to Russian President Vladimir 1478 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,479 Putin secretly shuffled as much as $2 billion through 1479 01:19:05,523 --> 01:19:08,134 banks and shadow companies. 1480 01:19:08,178 --> 01:19:10,006 PAUL: Day one, of course, was Vladimir Putin and the two 1481 01:19:10,049 --> 01:19:12,617 $2 billion worth of money that led back to him, 1482 01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:14,488 which was a remarkable story. 1483 01:19:14,532 --> 01:19:17,361 It's been one of international journalism's holy grails, 1484 01:19:17,404 --> 01:19:19,276 really, that story. 1485 01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:21,234 JOHN OLIVER: The papers revealed the identity of a suspiciously 1486 01:19:21,278 --> 01:19:26,109 rich cellist, which raises immediate red flags for me, 1487 01:19:26,152 --> 01:19:28,372 'cause I always thought the only way to make millions with a 1488 01:19:28,415 --> 01:19:31,157 cello is to use it to dig for gold. 1489 01:19:31,201 --> 01:19:33,072 [laughter] 1490 01:20:01,013 --> 01:20:02,449 LUKE: You know, he's basically saying we're all spies. 1491 01:20:02,493 --> 01:20:05,278 We scheme dastardly stuff to try and defame the 1492 01:20:05,322 --> 01:20:07,324 Russian Federation. 1493 01:20:07,367 --> 01:20:08,499 Now, of course that isn't the case, 1494 01:20:08,542 --> 01:20:10,370 and if it were a CIA plot-- 1495 01:20:10,414 --> 01:20:11,719 [jeering] 1496 01:20:11,763 --> 01:20:13,678 LUKE: --how come David Cameron got sucked in? 1497 01:20:13,721 --> 01:20:15,201 How come demonstrations in Iceland [chuckles] 1498 01:20:15,245 --> 01:20:17,334 and Argentina? 1499 01:20:18,248 --> 01:20:19,858 JULIETTE: I mean the hilarious thing, 1500 01:20:19,902 --> 01:20:24,123 you know, is that Putin ended up having to buy lots of cellos. 1501 01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:26,473 Roldugin bought lots of cellos because he said it was for 1502 01:20:26,517 --> 01:20:29,259 buying cellos, so they went and bought a lot of cellos after. 1503 01:20:29,302 --> 01:20:32,740 [laughs] 1504 01:20:33,567 --> 01:20:37,180 MARISA: This wasn't on official news in Russia. 1505 01:20:37,223 --> 01:20:39,399 Unless you were looking at foreign media, 1506 01:20:39,443 --> 01:20:42,620 you had no idea that the Panama Papers broke. 1507 01:20:42,663 --> 01:20:45,362 The officials who were implicated in these documents 1508 01:20:45,405 --> 01:20:48,191 would retaliate against journalists. 1509 01:20:48,234 --> 01:20:49,279 It's real. 1510 01:20:49,322 --> 01:20:50,584 Journalists have been killed. 1511 01:20:50,628 --> 01:20:54,762 [sirens] 1512 01:20:54,806 --> 01:20:56,373 NEWS REPORTER 42: A car exploded in flames in the Ukrainian 1513 01:20:56,416 --> 01:20:59,898 capital of Kiev early Wednesday morning inside a prominent 1514 01:20:59,942 --> 01:21:02,205 journalist, Pavel Sheremet. 1515 01:21:02,248 --> 01:21:05,469 MAN 9: [speaking foreign language] 1516 01:21:05,512 --> 01:21:07,471 NEWS REPORTER 42: An eye witness to the blast says several people 1517 01:21:07,514 --> 01:21:09,081 tried to pull Sheremet from the car, but it appeared 1518 01:21:09,125 --> 01:21:10,343 he was already dead. 1519 01:21:10,953 --> 01:21:13,172 LUKE: In Russia, journalists, um, 1520 01:21:13,216 --> 01:21:15,131 both in the big cities and the provinces, 1521 01:21:15,174 --> 01:21:17,394 get killed, shot, beaten to death. 1522 01:21:17,437 --> 01:21:19,396 Roman Anin who works for Novaya Gazeta, 1523 01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,789 he was kind of instrumental in, in chasing the, 1524 01:21:21,833 --> 01:21:23,791 following the money all the way to Putin and making that kind 1525 01:21:23,835 --> 01:21:24,662 of connection. 1526 01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:40,460 FREDERIK: The Kremlin pretty soon found out who our Russia 1527 01:21:40,504 --> 01:21:45,422 partners are, so there was TV programs that were, 1528 01:21:45,465 --> 01:21:48,077 that basically screamed something like, 1529 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:52,559 "Wanted" posters of the two of them putting out information, 1530 01:21:52,603 --> 01:21:55,040 um, on them, detailed information that could lead 1531 01:21:55,084 --> 01:21:58,522 people to the place where they work or potentially where 1532 01:21:58,565 --> 01:22:00,002 they live. 1533 01:22:00,045 --> 01:22:03,092 They, to a certain point, left Russia for a while. 1534 01:22:06,356 --> 01:22:09,228 RITA: We were treated as, uh, traitors. 1535 01:22:09,272 --> 01:22:11,578 There were publications all over the social networks and 1536 01:22:11,622 --> 01:22:14,755 everywhere blaming us for selling our country, 1537 01:22:14,799 --> 01:22:16,583 blaming us for treason. 1538 01:22:16,627 --> 01:22:18,455 Theywere people saying, "What should we do with a 1539 01:22:18,498 --> 01:22:19,891 traitor journalist?" 1540 01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:21,458 with our names. 1541 01:22:21,501 --> 01:22:23,112 They said, well, should we throw them off the bridge of 1542 01:22:23,155 --> 01:22:24,200 the canal? 1543 01:22:24,243 --> 01:22:26,289 Should we send them to Punta Coco, 1544 01:22:26,332 --> 01:22:28,204 which is equivalent of Alcatraz for Panama, 1545 01:22:28,247 --> 01:22:29,248 or should we just send them to La Joya, 1546 01:22:29,292 --> 01:22:31,076 which is a maximum security prison. 1547 01:22:32,034 --> 01:22:33,165 JOSEPH: This sort of thing is happening 1548 01:22:33,209 --> 01:22:34,166 a lot of, a lot of places in the world, 1549 01:22:34,210 --> 01:22:35,472 it's absolutely terrifying. 1550 01:22:35,515 --> 01:22:37,996 Me personally, I've been physically threatened, 1551 01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:39,519 I've been threatened with lawsuits. 1552 01:22:39,563 --> 01:22:41,608 Um, but I'm really lucky. 1553 01:22:41,652 --> 01:22:43,610 I, you know, I work in the United States. 1554 01:22:43,654 --> 01:22:46,004 It's really bad form to kill a journalist here. 1555 01:22:46,048 --> 01:22:48,572 Investigative journalism is hard enough without having to worry, 1556 01:22:48,615 --> 01:22:51,140 do all that kind of moral math, um, 1557 01:22:51,183 --> 01:22:52,793 physical risk. 1558 01:22:52,837 --> 01:22:53,838 It's something that war correspondents are used to doing 1559 01:22:53,881 --> 01:22:55,144 all the time. 1560 01:22:55,187 --> 01:22:56,319 In a way, it kind of feels like we're all war 1561 01:22:56,362 --> 01:22:57,755 correspondents now. 1562 01:23:00,758 --> 01:23:03,804 MARINA: This just shows how vulnerable reporters around the 1563 01:23:03,848 --> 01:23:06,720 world working on corruption issues are. 1564 01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:14,119 One answer to that vulnerability is working in networks and 1565 01:23:14,163 --> 01:23:16,078 in teams. 1566 01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:20,038 You can't take down 376 reporters. 1567 01:23:24,347 --> 01:23:27,567 PRESENTER: For the Panama Papers, 1568 01:23:27,611 --> 01:23:30,266 reporting that explored the hidden infrastructure and global 1569 01:23:30,309 --> 01:23:32,877 scale of offshore tax havens... 1570 01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,531 [cheering] 1571 01:23:34,574 --> 01:23:36,750 PRESENTER: The Pulitzer Prize and explanatory reporting goes 1572 01:23:36,794 --> 01:23:40,885 to...The International Consortium of Investigative 1573 01:23:40,928 --> 01:23:44,628 Journalists, McClatchy and the Miami Herald. 1574 01:23:44,671 --> 01:23:46,195 [cheering] 1575 01:23:46,238 --> 01:23:49,676 MARISA: Just the idea that we were able to-to finish the 1576 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:55,639 Panama Papers despite all of the doubts and publish it along with 1577 01:23:55,682 --> 01:23:57,771 all of these other reporters all across the world. 1578 01:23:57,815 --> 01:24:03,603 [chatter] 1579 01:24:03,647 --> 01:24:06,911 JOÓHANNES: And it felt so surreal because the Pulitzer is 1580 01:24:06,954 --> 01:24:10,523 something you always dream of as a journalist, 1581 01:24:10,567 --> 01:24:13,135 but as a German journalist, it's something that you can normally 1582 01:24:13,178 --> 01:24:15,311 not reach. 1583 01:24:15,354 --> 01:24:21,534 [cheers and applause] 1584 01:24:21,578 --> 01:24:23,145 GERARD: It's nice to show that journalists can actually work 1585 01:24:23,188 --> 01:24:24,842 together, and I think that's something that we always thought 1586 01:24:24,885 --> 01:24:25,843 would never happen. 1587 01:24:25,886 --> 01:24:27,801 You know, journalists are selfish, 1588 01:24:27,845 --> 01:24:29,760 we don't share stories, we don't share sources. 1589 01:24:29,803 --> 01:24:31,327 We've just proven that that's wrong, 1590 01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:32,676 that, in fact, you can get a better story sometimes if you 1591 01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:35,461 do, if you do share. 1592 01:24:37,594 --> 01:24:41,076 MAN 9: You do need big, international teams to cover 1593 01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:43,382 big, international topics. 1594 01:24:45,036 --> 01:24:46,690 KEVIN: Then it cleared the way for us to spend the rest of the 1595 01:24:46,733 --> 01:24:49,780 year really doing the kind of stuff that you couldn't do on 1596 01:24:49,823 --> 01:24:51,651 the first day, but were just as important as the first 1597 01:24:51,695 --> 01:24:53,218 day stories. 1598 01:24:59,137 --> 01:25:00,921 FREDERIK: I thought that this would be the time that we can 1599 01:25:00,965 --> 01:25:05,578 refocus and go into the stories we hadn't yet the time to 1600 01:25:05,622 --> 01:25:13,151 finish, but then we heard this terrible news from Malta where 1601 01:25:13,195 --> 01:25:17,634 Daphne Galizia, um, was killed in a-a car bombing. 1602 01:25:17,677 --> 01:25:21,507 NEWS REPORTER 43: The son of the investigative journalist, 1603 01:25:21,551 --> 01:25:23,901 Daphne Caruana Galizia, who was killed in a car bomb attack in 1604 01:25:23,944 --> 01:25:26,904 Malta has attacked the island as a mafia state run by what he 1605 01:25:26,947 --> 01:25:28,297 called crooks. 1606 01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:30,864 His 53-year-old mother, who was killed yesterday, 1607 01:25:30,908 --> 01:25:33,867 was known for her blog accusing politicians of high-level 1608 01:25:33,911 --> 01:25:37,523 corruption and she led the Panama Papers investigation into 1609 01:25:37,567 --> 01:25:39,221 corruption on the island. 1610 01:25:41,223 --> 01:25:42,833 MAN 10: We couldn't have been more shocked when-when we found 1611 01:25:42,876 --> 01:25:44,313 out that Daphne, you know, Matthew's mother, 1612 01:25:44,356 --> 01:25:46,445 had been blown up. 1613 01:25:46,489 --> 01:25:50,362 I mean, it just seemed so senseless and-and crazy. 1614 01:25:52,451 --> 01:25:54,018 MATTHEW: It was, the message was, 1615 01:25:54,061 --> 01:25:59,589 look, we can, we can do this and we can get away with it. 1616 01:25:59,632 --> 01:26:02,679 We have, there's no deterrent. 1617 01:26:02,722 --> 01:26:07,423 We can strike whoever we want, whenever we want and get away 1618 01:26:07,466 --> 01:26:10,165 with it. 1619 01:26:13,907 --> 01:26:15,082 GERARD: The fact that she was killed in Malta, 1620 01:26:15,126 --> 01:26:17,084 you're talking about a European country. 1621 01:26:17,128 --> 01:26:21,219 That really shocked not just us, but also the world. 1622 01:26:23,787 --> 01:26:25,397 JACOB: You know, this, what happened to Daphne, 1623 01:26:25,441 --> 01:26:30,707 it-it never, we never thought anything could happen in Malta. 1624 01:26:30,750 --> 01:26:32,622 Daphne was, you know, very much a, 1625 01:26:32,665 --> 01:26:33,971 a fearless investigator. 1626 01:26:34,014 --> 01:26:37,627 You know, a, a lone, a lone voice in a sense. 1627 01:26:38,758 --> 01:26:40,107 She was very frustrated with-with mainstream media. 1628 01:26:40,151 --> 01:26:41,544 I don't know. 1629 01:26:41,587 --> 01:26:45,548 People just gravitated towards her blog naturally. 1630 01:26:46,157 --> 01:26:47,767 JULIETTE: Daphne was fierce, and she was a blogger, 1631 01:26:47,811 --> 01:26:49,943 so she had a lot more freedom than newspaper journalists in 1632 01:26:49,987 --> 01:26:52,642 terms of expressing her opinion, and she used it. 1633 01:26:52,685 --> 01:26:55,601 DAPHNE: My article went up at 7:00 in the evening, 1634 01:26:55,645 --> 01:26:58,735 and two and a half hours later, by half past nine, 1635 01:26:58,778 --> 01:27:03,000 the police are already at my gate with a warrant for my 1636 01:27:03,043 --> 01:27:07,265 arrest issued by a magistrate within two and a half hours. 1637 01:27:07,309 --> 01:27:12,879 The police cannot understand why I will not abide by the law and 1638 01:27:12,923 --> 01:27:16,187 sit at home quietly and not write anything about politics. 1639 01:27:16,231 --> 01:27:21,453 FREDERIK: She was one addressing things many politicians did not 1640 01:27:21,497 --> 01:27:23,368 want to hear. 1641 01:27:25,065 --> 01:27:29,026 She wrote about corruption at the highest levels 1642 01:27:29,069 --> 01:27:30,810 of government. 1643 01:27:30,854 --> 01:27:31,985 You know, I mean I always get, 1644 01:27:32,029 --> 01:27:34,118 like, you know, the-the usual people, 1645 01:27:34,161 --> 01:27:36,512 "Don't worry, the truth will come to light. 1646 01:27:36,555 --> 01:27:37,861 Good always wins. 1647 01:27:37,904 --> 01:27:39,515 There will be justice." 1648 01:27:39,558 --> 01:27:41,691 My mother always thought that was bullshit. 1649 01:27:43,823 --> 01:27:45,564 JULIETTE: She wasn't just outspoken. 1650 01:27:45,608 --> 01:27:48,045 She was effective, and I think that's why she's-she's 1651 01:27:48,088 --> 01:27:50,003 been killed. 1652 01:27:54,051 --> 01:27:56,053 What was particularly shocking was that, 1653 01:27:56,096 --> 01:27:59,970 for some people, um, this assassination was a-a cause 1654 01:28:00,013 --> 01:28:01,580 of celebration. 1655 01:28:01,624 --> 01:28:05,671 One police officer actually tweeted that he was pleased that 1656 01:28:05,715 --> 01:28:09,109 this had happened and-and called her "cow dung" the day after, 1657 01:28:09,153 --> 01:28:12,983 so you know, there wasn't universal condemnation of this 1658 01:28:13,026 --> 01:28:14,071 act in Malta. 1659 01:28:14,114 --> 01:28:16,552 Perhaps there should have been. 1660 01:28:17,379 --> 01:28:18,858 NEWS REPORTER 44: A court in Malta has charged three men with 1661 01:28:18,902 --> 01:28:21,296 the murder of Daphne Caruana Galiza. 1662 01:28:21,339 --> 01:28:23,776 Maltase media say the authorities honed in on the 1663 01:28:23,820 --> 01:28:27,127 suspects following telephone intercepts. 1664 01:28:27,171 --> 01:28:29,434 Police arrested 10 men on on Monday in connection with 1665 01:28:29,478 --> 01:28:31,218 the killing. 1666 01:28:31,262 --> 01:28:35,005 Seven have been released on bail pending further inquiries. 1667 01:28:35,788 --> 01:28:38,269 MAN 11: It was just all a big show. 1668 01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:41,838 MATTHEW: I am quite confident that they were the people who 1669 01:28:41,881 --> 01:28:45,929 executed the orders to assassinate my mother, 1670 01:28:45,972 --> 01:28:48,235 but my mother never wrote about them, 1671 01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:52,152 she never investigated them, she had no idea who they were. 1672 01:28:52,196 --> 01:28:55,721 They've probably never even read what she wrote. 1673 01:28:57,288 --> 01:28:59,203 JACOB:They may have the people who-who pushed a button, 1674 01:28:59,246 --> 01:29:01,205 who-who, you know, who set off the bomb, 1675 01:29:01,248 --> 01:29:02,859 but they're definitely not the masterminds, 1676 01:29:02,902 --> 01:29:04,991 and they definitely, you know, wouldn't have had the motive to 1677 01:29:05,035 --> 01:29:07,603 do it, so the big question is, you know, 1678 01:29:07,646 --> 01:29:09,605 who ordered this kill, and ultimately, 1679 01:29:09,648 --> 01:29:12,564 who paid them, as well? 1680 01:29:14,131 --> 01:29:17,613 MAN 10: The way it was done, it was also a way of getting 1681 01:29:17,656 --> 01:29:19,484 sources to stop talking. 1682 01:29:19,528 --> 01:29:24,446 ♪♪ 1683 01:29:24,489 --> 01:29:34,543 [background chatter] 1684 01:29:34,586 --> 01:29:44,553 [cheering] 1685 01:29:44,596 --> 01:29:49,471 [cheering] 1686 01:30:02,875 --> 01:30:05,443 NEWS REPORTER 45: The two founders of Panamanian law firm 1687 01:30:05,487 --> 01:30:09,055 Mossack Fonseca were arrested after both were indicted on 1688 01:30:09,099 --> 01:30:10,927 charges of money laundering. 1689 01:31:14,556 --> 01:31:17,994 ROBERTO: Porcell, I think, is trying to do what has to be 1690 01:31:18,037 --> 01:31:23,869 done, but the judiciary, which is where she has to deposit 1691 01:31:23,913 --> 01:31:31,311 her investigations, has zero credibility at this point. 1692 01:31:32,182 --> 01:31:36,316 If you talk to Panamanians out there about this, 1693 01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,015 the reaction is "No pasa nada"... 1694 01:31:39,058 --> 01:31:41,234 Nothing will happen. 1695 01:31:41,278 --> 01:31:42,322 I don't think that's right. 1696 01:31:42,366 --> 01:31:44,977 I think that something will happen. 1697 01:31:45,021 --> 01:31:48,807 We have an ex-president of the Supreme Court in jail. 1698 01:31:48,851 --> 01:31:51,984 We have an ex-president in jail in Miami. 1699 01:31:52,028 --> 01:31:54,596 I mean, there are things happening. 1700 01:31:59,209 --> 01:32:01,472 I feel that somewhere along the way, 1701 01:32:01,516 --> 01:32:04,954 in incremental bits, we'll be solving these problems. 1702 01:32:04,997 --> 01:32:09,741 It's just a, a human problem that we have to face all over 1703 01:32:09,785 --> 01:32:12,091 the world. 1704 01:32:13,963 --> 01:32:16,095 FREDERIK: This is not only about Panama, 1705 01:32:16,139 --> 01:32:20,056 that's a worldwide problem, and if it should get solved, 1706 01:32:20,099 --> 01:32:22,145 it's something that has to be addressed in the U.S., 1707 01:32:22,188 --> 01:32:23,668 as well. 1708 01:32:23,712 --> 01:32:25,322 KEVIN: One of the things that led to change on the U.S. 1709 01:32:25,365 --> 01:32:29,979 end that both Nevada and Wyoming changed their laws based on some 1710 01:32:30,022 --> 01:32:32,372 of what we were able to show about these nominee directors 1711 01:32:32,416 --> 01:32:34,592 that really weren't contacts. 1712 01:32:34,636 --> 01:32:37,464 And the UK government is now supporting efforts to force 1713 01:32:37,508 --> 01:32:40,946 transparency in overseas tax havens that do that by 1714 01:32:40,990 --> 01:32:43,906 introducing public registries across the 1715 01:32:43,949 --> 01:32:44,341 commonwealth countries. 1716 01:32:48,519 --> 01:32:53,437 MARINA/EMILIA: [speaking Spanish] 1717 01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:55,395 WOMAN 5: Panama Papers hasn't ended yet. 1718 01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:56,832 It's still going. 1719 01:32:56,875 --> 01:33:01,010 Every week, there's a new Panama Papers development. 1720 01:33:01,053 --> 01:33:04,187 Reporters are still in the database and are still searching 1721 01:33:04,230 --> 01:33:08,234 and still finding things that we missed. 1722 01:33:10,672 --> 01:33:13,457 MARISA: While there have been a lot of investigations launched, 1723 01:33:13,500 --> 01:33:17,853 including in the U.S., and there have been a number of people all 1724 01:33:17,896 --> 01:33:20,420 across the world who have been arrested, 1725 01:33:20,464 --> 01:33:25,164 there has been an element of inaction in areas that really 1726 01:33:25,208 --> 01:33:29,342 matter, reform that would prevent these offshores from 1727 01:33:29,386 --> 01:33:32,345 being created in the way they are created. 1728 01:33:32,389 --> 01:33:33,782 There was a lot of talk about it, 1729 01:33:33,825 --> 01:33:38,351 but yet, that hasn't happened in a significant way. 1730 01:33:40,658 --> 01:33:42,181 MAN 10: I think history has shown that as important as 1731 01:33:42,225 --> 01:33:45,663 Panama Papers are in revealing this kind of underbelly of 1732 01:33:45,707 --> 01:33:49,406 global finance and how it ties into the whole inequality 1733 01:33:49,449 --> 01:33:52,583 question, I think it also will probably lead to a 1734 01:33:52,627 --> 01:33:53,671 better mousetrap. 1735 01:33:53,715 --> 01:33:54,672 GERARD: Will the scams go on? 1736 01:33:54,716 --> 01:33:55,978 Will there be new ways found? 1737 01:33:56,021 --> 01:33:57,675 Yes, of course. 1738 01:33:57,719 --> 01:33:59,851 You know, they, it-it, you know, the world will probably just get 1739 01:33:59,895 --> 01:34:01,461 a bit more sophisticated. 1740 01:34:01,505 --> 01:34:04,160 MATTHEW: There's a democratic backsliding in the world in 1741 01:34:04,203 --> 01:34:08,468 general, and I think that this is taking journalism down 1742 01:34:08,512 --> 01:34:09,731 with it. 1743 01:34:09,774 --> 01:34:12,951 It's kind of strange that, at that same time, 1744 01:34:12,995 --> 01:34:16,520 it's a golden age for investigative journalism. 1745 01:34:16,563 --> 01:34:20,089 Our work has never been as important as it is now. 1746 01:34:20,132 --> 01:34:31,840 ♪♪ 1747 01:34:31,883 --> 01:34:43,678 ♪♪ 1748 01:34:43,721 --> 01:34:45,592 JOHN: But when it takes a whistleblower to sound 1749 01:34:45,636 --> 01:34:48,944 the alarm, it is cause for even greater concern. 1750 01:34:52,469 --> 01:34:54,253 It signals that democracy's checks and balance have all 1751 01:34:54,297 --> 01:34:58,475 failed, that the breakdown is systemic, 1752 01:34:58,518 --> 01:35:02,087 and that severe instability could be just around the corner. 1753 01:35:05,438 --> 01:35:07,963 So now is the time for real action. 1754 01:35:08,006 --> 01:35:22,760 ♪♪ 1755 01:35:22,804 --> 01:35:37,470 ♪♪ 1756 01:35:37,514 --> 01:35:52,268 ♪♪ 1757 01:35:52,311 --> 01:36:07,022 ♪♪ 1758 01:36:07,065 --> 01:36:21,863 ♪♪ 1759 01:36:21,906 --> 01:36:36,486 ♪♪ 1760 01:36:36,529 --> 01:36:51,283 ♪♪ 1761 01:36:51,327 --> 01:37:06,081 ♪♪ 1762 01:37:06,124 --> 01:37:20,878 ♪♪ 1763 01:37:20,922 --> 01:37:35,588 ♪♪ 1764 01:37:35,632 --> 01:37:50,386 ♪♪ 1765 01:37:50,429 --> 01:38:05,183 ♪♪ 1766 01:38:05,227 --> 01:38:19,981 ♪♪ 1767 01:38:20,024 --> 01:38:34,604 ♪♪ 1768 01:38:34,647 --> 01:38:49,401 ♪♪ 1769 01:38:49,445 --> 01:39:04,242 ♪♪ 1770 01:39:04,286 --> 01:39:18,996 ♪♪ 1771 01:39:19,040 --> 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