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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,825 --> 00:00:05,726 Freeman: From the dawn of history, 2 00:00:05,728 --> 00:00:08,094 humans have believed in divine forces 3 00:00:08,096 --> 00:00:10,596 that created our world. 4 00:00:10,598 --> 00:00:16,068 And today most of us still pray to a higher power. 5 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:19,404 But is God really out there? 6 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:30,180 Scientists are now searching for the divine 7 00:00:30,182 --> 00:00:32,749 in the most unlikely places... 8 00:00:32,751 --> 00:00:34,851 in virtual reality labs... 9 00:00:36,921 --> 00:00:38,621 ...in the minds of chimpanzees... 10 00:00:40,257 --> 00:00:44,660 ...and in the old clothes of a serial killer. 11 00:00:44,662 --> 00:00:48,330 The path to God is taking an unexpected turn. 12 00:00:48,332 --> 00:00:51,933 Did we invent God? 13 00:00:58,511 --> 00:01:03,557 Space, time, life itself. 14 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:10,439 The secrets of the cosmos lie through the wormhole. 15 00:01:10,441 --> 00:01:14,441 ♪ Through the Wormhole 03x10 ♪ Did We Invent God ? Original Air Date on August 8, 2012 16 00:01:14,466 --> 00:01:16,466 == sync, corrected by elderman == 17 00:01:21,916 --> 00:01:24,485 The quest for scientific knowledge 18 00:01:24,487 --> 00:01:28,154 has taken us on a breathtaking journey of discovery. 19 00:01:28,156 --> 00:01:32,625 We've unraveled the physics that govern the heavens... 20 00:01:34,662 --> 00:01:38,630 ...and the tiny atoms that form our bodies. 21 00:01:38,632 --> 00:01:41,199 But science has not yet found proof 22 00:01:41,201 --> 00:01:43,434 that God created all this. 23 00:01:43,436 --> 00:01:47,405 Now there's a new place to look for an answer. 24 00:01:47,407 --> 00:01:52,643 Because recent research suggests the truth may not be out there, 25 00:01:52,645 --> 00:01:54,445 but in here, 26 00:01:54,447 --> 00:01:56,747 inside all of us. 27 00:01:56,749 --> 00:02:02,852 Did God invent humanity, or did we invent God? 28 00:02:15,364 --> 00:02:17,432 When I was 12 years old, 29 00:02:17,434 --> 00:02:20,330 I lost someone very close, 30 00:02:20,332 --> 00:02:23,064 someone who was far too young. 31 00:02:23,066 --> 00:02:26,467 I just could not make sense of it. 32 00:02:26,469 --> 00:02:30,371 I was told he was with God in Heaven. 33 00:02:30,373 --> 00:02:33,540 But I just could not understand why, 34 00:02:33,542 --> 00:02:38,779 if God was out there, he would take him from me. 35 00:02:38,781 --> 00:02:42,614 And so that day, I began to wonder 36 00:02:42,616 --> 00:02:47,919 if God, Angels, and Heaven were all just make-believe. 37 00:02:50,622 --> 00:02:55,221 Psychologist Jesse Bering is trying to understand 38 00:02:55,223 --> 00:02:58,590 how and when children come to believe in God. 39 00:02:58,592 --> 00:03:03,327 It's a career path that, from the beginning, 40 00:03:03,329 --> 00:03:05,963 has gotten him into trouble. 41 00:03:05,965 --> 00:03:07,731 Bering: I was at a friend's house, 42 00:03:07,733 --> 00:03:09,633 and his mother, as a German immigrant, 43 00:03:09,635 --> 00:03:14,503 had a collection of eggs that were decoratively painted. 44 00:03:14,505 --> 00:03:15,570 Nobody was home. 45 00:03:15,572 --> 00:03:17,338 We were just kind of goofing around, 46 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:19,407 and I just caught a glimpse of this egg 47 00:03:19,409 --> 00:03:20,808 out of the corner of my eye. 48 00:03:20,810 --> 00:03:23,143 I picked it up. I was fascinated by it. 49 00:03:23,145 --> 00:03:27,948 As I picked it up, I accidentally cracked the egg. 50 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:30,719 And then I just pretended like nothing happened. 51 00:03:30,721 --> 00:03:32,087 A couple of days later, 52 00:03:32,089 --> 00:03:34,322 she discovered the cracked egg. 53 00:03:34,324 --> 00:03:37,058 And she was basically interrogating 54 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:38,759 all the local children 55 00:03:38,761 --> 00:03:41,161 to find out who actually committed this heinous act 56 00:03:41,163 --> 00:03:43,597 of breaking her precious egg. 57 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:46,733 When I was asked if I did it, I said, "absolutely not. 58 00:03:46,735 --> 00:03:49,135 "I don't know what you're talking about. 59 00:03:49,137 --> 00:03:51,704 I swear to God that I didn't do it." 60 00:03:51,706 --> 00:03:54,099 And then the matter was just dropped. 61 00:03:54,101 --> 00:03:56,366 Nobody ever talked about it again. 62 00:03:56,368 --> 00:03:59,402 "If he's willing to sort of invoke God in his defense, 63 00:03:59,404 --> 00:04:01,537 then he must be telling the truth." 64 00:04:01,539 --> 00:04:04,606 Freeman: Like most children 65 00:04:04,608 --> 00:04:06,975 who escape punishment for their crimes, 66 00:04:06,977 --> 00:04:10,945 Jesse could not escape the haunting that followed. 67 00:04:10,947 --> 00:04:12,179 I started having nightmares, 68 00:04:12,181 --> 00:04:14,180 all the misfortunes that were happening to me. 69 00:04:14,182 --> 00:04:15,548 You know, a splinter getting in my hand 70 00:04:15,550 --> 00:04:16,749 I attributed to God 71 00:04:16,751 --> 00:04:19,452 sort of giving me a sign he was punishing me 72 00:04:19,454 --> 00:04:21,220 because I had lied about this. 73 00:04:21,222 --> 00:04:23,021 The interesting thing, I suppose, is that I -- 74 00:04:23,023 --> 00:04:24,723 you know, I didn't come from a very religious background. 75 00:04:24,725 --> 00:04:29,460 Freeman: When Jesse grew up to become a scientist, 76 00:04:29,462 --> 00:04:30,995 he set out to understand 77 00:04:30,997 --> 00:04:36,400 why he had sensed the retribution of God in his youth. 78 00:04:36,402 --> 00:04:41,304 And so he built a psychological experiment 79 00:04:41,306 --> 00:04:43,706 to probe just what is going on 80 00:04:43,708 --> 00:04:47,042 inside the developing minds of children. 81 00:04:47,044 --> 00:04:52,379 To them, Jesse's experiment appears to be a simple game. 82 00:04:52,381 --> 00:04:54,615 Well, almost simple. 83 00:04:54,617 --> 00:04:57,917 So, what were the rules? Who remembers the three rules? 84 00:04:57,919 --> 00:04:59,485 Don't pass that line. 85 00:04:59,487 --> 00:05:01,387 Boy: Keep your hands behind your back. 86 00:05:01,389 --> 00:05:02,588 Keep one hand behind your back. 87 00:05:02,590 --> 00:05:03,789 You got to throw 88 00:05:03,791 --> 00:05:04,923 with the hand that you don't usually use, right? 89 00:05:04,925 --> 00:05:06,491 What was the third rule? 90 00:05:06,493 --> 00:05:07,525 Throw it like that. 91 00:05:07,527 --> 00:05:08,860 Yeah, you got to throw it 92 00:05:08,862 --> 00:05:10,761 with your back turned to the board. 93 00:05:10,763 --> 00:05:12,763 You can't -- you can't face it. 94 00:05:20,037 --> 00:05:23,438 Freeman: It's an all but impossible game to win, 95 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,642 but Jesse's not keeping score. 96 00:05:26,644 --> 00:05:28,277 All he cares about, 97 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,079 as he watches from the side room, 98 00:05:31,081 --> 00:05:33,581 is whether the children cheat. 99 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:34,615 Bering: He thinks he's alone. 100 00:05:34,617 --> 00:05:35,883 He thinks he's alone in the room. 101 00:05:35,885 --> 00:05:36,851 We want to see if he actually follows the rules. 102 00:05:36,853 --> 00:05:38,252 Oh, there he goes. 103 00:05:38,254 --> 00:05:40,587 He actually steps over the line, so he's broken one of the rules. 104 00:05:40,589 --> 00:05:44,424 Sort of flirting dangerously with breaking some more rules. 105 00:05:44,426 --> 00:05:47,526 Oh, there we go, a very egregious violation -- 106 00:05:47,528 --> 00:05:49,527 placing it right in the middle. 107 00:05:49,529 --> 00:05:50,928 Not atypical. 108 00:05:50,930 --> 00:05:53,597 I think most kids, if they think that they're not being watched, 109 00:05:53,599 --> 00:05:56,866 they're gonna revert to this type of behavior. 110 00:06:01,238 --> 00:06:03,873 Freeman: With children age 6 to 7, 111 00:06:03,875 --> 00:06:06,475 a little cheating is par for the course. 112 00:06:06,477 --> 00:06:09,344 But now Jesse brings in a new group of kids. 113 00:06:09,346 --> 00:06:10,645 Here they are. 114 00:06:10,647 --> 00:06:13,347 He and his assistant prep them for the same game. 115 00:06:13,349 --> 00:06:15,282 You can't go over that line. 116 00:06:15,284 --> 00:06:19,088 Only this time, Jesse adds a supernatural twist. 117 00:06:19,090 --> 00:06:21,058 Bering: The children wearing the blue shirts, 118 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:22,994 they're going to hear about somebody sitting in this chair. 119 00:06:22,996 --> 00:06:25,029 It might look like an empty chair to us, 120 00:06:25,031 --> 00:06:26,564 but, in fact, we tell these kids 121 00:06:26,566 --> 00:06:29,233 there's an invisible woman sitting in this chair. 122 00:06:29,235 --> 00:06:32,636 Now, that sounds a little scary, but we make her very friendly. 123 00:06:32,638 --> 00:06:34,271 We say this is Princess Alice, 124 00:06:34,273 --> 00:06:36,940 and Princess Alice is a magic princess. 125 00:06:36,942 --> 00:06:39,075 She's got this special ability to make herself invisible. 126 00:06:39,077 --> 00:06:41,010 Well, maybe she's just -- you can't feel her, 127 00:06:41,012 --> 00:06:42,845 but that doesn't mean that she's not there. 128 00:06:42,847 --> 00:06:44,013 She's just invisible. 129 00:06:44,015 --> 00:06:46,114 All I can feel is just here. 130 00:06:46,116 --> 00:06:47,382 That's all you can feel? 131 00:06:47,384 --> 00:06:49,483 Freeman: Most of this group of children 132 00:06:49,485 --> 00:06:51,919 act like they don't believe in Princess Alice. 133 00:06:51,921 --> 00:06:53,990 But when they're left alone, 134 00:06:53,992 --> 00:06:57,028 their behavior tells a different story. 135 00:06:57,030 --> 00:07:00,431 Bering: She's already thrown all four of the balls. 136 00:07:00,433 --> 00:07:03,066 I don't think that she actually got any of them 137 00:07:03,068 --> 00:07:04,501 to stick on the dart board, 138 00:07:04,503 --> 00:07:06,804 and she's not interested in cheating. 139 00:07:06,806 --> 00:07:11,441 I think she's being pretty true to the law here. 140 00:07:11,443 --> 00:07:13,143 Oh, here she goes. 141 00:07:13,145 --> 00:07:15,446 She's -- this is what we see sometimes with children. 142 00:07:15,448 --> 00:07:19,083 They actually run their hand over the chair, 143 00:07:19,085 --> 00:07:20,717 as though they're sort of testing 144 00:07:20,719 --> 00:07:22,985 or trying to feel Princess Alice. 145 00:07:22,987 --> 00:07:24,820 And she actually said earlier 146 00:07:24,822 --> 00:07:26,822 that she didn't believe in Princess Alice. 147 00:07:26,824 --> 00:07:29,391 That just shows you the power of belief, really. 148 00:07:29,393 --> 00:07:32,026 Freeman: Jesse has performed this experiment 149 00:07:32,028 --> 00:07:34,028 with hundreds of children. 150 00:07:34,030 --> 00:07:38,197 Hardly any of the kids who are told about Princess Alice cheat. 151 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:39,699 They intuitively feel 152 00:07:39,701 --> 00:07:43,902 she's really there, watching them. 153 00:07:43,904 --> 00:07:46,504 Bering: What we're really seeing here is 154 00:07:46,506 --> 00:07:48,873 an untarnished view of human nature. 155 00:07:48,875 --> 00:07:50,575 I mean, these are really young kids. 156 00:07:50,577 --> 00:07:52,512 These are 6- and 7-year-olds. 157 00:07:52,514 --> 00:07:55,755 You know, they've been told all sorts of things, 158 00:07:55,757 --> 00:07:57,457 but they haven't been told about Princess Alice. 159 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,997 Freeman: Jesse believes that regardless of their upbringing, 160 00:08:03,999 --> 00:08:06,465 children's minds are hardwired 161 00:08:06,467 --> 00:08:09,402 to believe in a hidden world of spirits, 162 00:08:09,404 --> 00:08:14,906 a place where princess Alice or God might exist. 163 00:08:14,908 --> 00:08:19,277 But why do such beliefs take hold? 164 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:24,748 Bruce Hood is one of Britain's leading psychologists. 165 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:27,150 His work recently won him an invitation 166 00:08:27,152 --> 00:08:30,419 to give the Royal Institution's Christmas lecture series, 167 00:08:30,421 --> 00:08:33,588 one of the country's highest scientific honors. 168 00:08:33,590 --> 00:08:37,758 Bruce is researching the psychological foundation 169 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,926 of all religious beliefs. 170 00:08:39,928 --> 00:08:41,728 It's a work that started one day 171 00:08:41,730 --> 00:08:44,264 when he was watching his sleeping daughter. 172 00:08:44,266 --> 00:08:47,567 He was not contemplating the miracle of life, 173 00:08:47,569 --> 00:08:49,701 but rather her blanky. 174 00:08:49,703 --> 00:08:51,700 Hood: It's a grubby little cloth, 175 00:08:51,702 --> 00:08:54,268 and I'm sure parents will recognize this thing. 176 00:08:54,270 --> 00:08:57,137 Now, what starts off as a little bit of self soothing, 177 00:08:57,139 --> 00:08:59,672 soon these objects take on very strange qualities, 178 00:08:59,674 --> 00:09:01,074 almost as if they're alive. 179 00:09:01,076 --> 00:09:04,944 Children even talk to them. They think they've got feelings. 180 00:09:04,946 --> 00:09:06,812 They make them almost humanlike, 181 00:09:06,814 --> 00:09:09,547 which is extraordinary when you think about it 182 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:12,216 'cause it's just a piece of cloth. 183 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,117 Freeman: Bruce wanted to find out 184 00:09:14,119 --> 00:09:17,386 why children believe these objects are so special. 185 00:09:17,388 --> 00:09:19,521 So, he performed an experiment 186 00:09:19,523 --> 00:09:22,290 with young kids and a magic machine. 187 00:09:22,292 --> 00:09:24,125 Bruce told the children 188 00:09:24,127 --> 00:09:27,194 it would make a perfect copy of their toys, 189 00:09:27,196 --> 00:09:31,429 thanks, in fact, to the help of a hidden researcher. 190 00:09:31,431 --> 00:09:35,766 He then told them they were allowed to keep only one toy 191 00:09:35,768 --> 00:09:38,134 and must throw away the other. 192 00:09:38,136 --> 00:09:41,371 Nearly every child chose the original 193 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:43,105 and tossed the copy. 194 00:09:43,107 --> 00:09:45,108 Hood: They needed the original one back. 195 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:48,477 And I think it's because they're thinking in an essentialist way. 196 00:09:48,479 --> 00:09:50,612 This is an idea that we view the world 197 00:09:50,614 --> 00:09:52,213 with this additional dimension. 198 00:09:52,215 --> 00:09:55,083 Freeman: Essentialism is the belief 199 00:09:55,085 --> 00:09:58,486 that certain objects have a hidden essence, 200 00:09:58,488 --> 00:10:01,155 one that cannot be transferred to a copy 201 00:10:01,157 --> 00:10:04,291 even if it looks absolutely identical. 202 00:10:04,293 --> 00:10:09,528 It is a conviction young children hold strongly. 203 00:10:09,530 --> 00:10:13,932 But do we outgrow this sense of a hidden essence? 204 00:10:13,934 --> 00:10:17,502 Bruce found an answer by turning his lectures into an experiment, 205 00:10:17,504 --> 00:10:19,170 one that he's trying out today 206 00:10:19,172 --> 00:10:23,974 on the staff of the Royal Institution. 207 00:10:23,976 --> 00:10:26,943 I was in New York last year, and I bought Einstein -- 208 00:10:26,945 --> 00:10:29,011 one of Einstein's fountain pens. 209 00:10:29,013 --> 00:10:31,513 So this is an original Einstein pen. 210 00:10:31,515 --> 00:10:33,882 I'm very proud of this, if you like to have a look. 211 00:10:33,884 --> 00:10:36,717 In fact, you're welcome to hold it and pass it along. 212 00:10:43,156 --> 00:10:46,592 Now, I happen to have another thing here. 213 00:10:46,594 --> 00:10:48,961 This is a cardigan. 214 00:10:48,963 --> 00:10:50,963 It belonged to Jeffrey Dahmer, 215 00:10:50,965 --> 00:10:53,766 the serial killer who murdered 17 people 216 00:10:53,768 --> 00:10:56,334 and brutally cut them up, ate them, 217 00:10:56,336 --> 00:10:58,970 and did some very despicable things. 218 00:10:58,972 --> 00:11:02,406 Now, would you like to pass that along and hold it? 219 00:11:02,408 --> 00:11:03,474 The cardigan itself? 220 00:11:03,476 --> 00:11:05,008 Yeah. Would you put it on? 221 00:11:05,010 --> 00:11:08,211 I won't put it on, no. No? 222 00:11:08,213 --> 00:11:11,280 Freeman: Most of us are revolted by the thought 223 00:11:11,282 --> 00:11:13,949 of wearing the sweater of a serial killer, 224 00:11:13,951 --> 00:11:17,018 no matter how many times it may have been cleaned. 225 00:11:19,388 --> 00:11:23,291 Well, I have to let you into a secret. 226 00:11:23,293 --> 00:11:25,192 It's not Jeffrey Dahmer's sweater at all. 227 00:11:25,194 --> 00:11:28,395 But just the thought of it belonging to the serial killer, 228 00:11:28,397 --> 00:11:31,031 for most people, it's repulsive and repugnant. 229 00:11:31,033 --> 00:11:33,700 And, sad to say, this isn't Einstein's pen. 230 00:11:33,702 --> 00:11:35,001 It's just a regular fountain pen. 231 00:11:37,104 --> 00:11:39,672 Freeman: Bruce believes this sense 232 00:11:39,674 --> 00:11:41,474 that sacred and evil essences 233 00:11:41,476 --> 00:11:43,742 can contaminate the material world 234 00:11:43,744 --> 00:11:48,914 is the most primal form of human spirituality, 235 00:11:48,916 --> 00:11:53,317 a foundation upon which every religion is built. 236 00:11:53,319 --> 00:11:55,653 Hood: I think religions capitalize on this assumption 237 00:11:55,655 --> 00:11:57,021 that there is hidden structure. 238 00:11:57,023 --> 00:11:59,589 What religions do is they provide a framework, 239 00:11:59,591 --> 00:12:01,257 a narrative which allows people 240 00:12:01,259 --> 00:12:04,327 to try and put these forces together in a meaningful way. 241 00:12:08,665 --> 00:12:11,500 Freeman: Psychologists like Bruce argue 242 00:12:11,502 --> 00:12:14,169 that this innate spiritual intuition 243 00:12:14,171 --> 00:12:16,805 might be an artifact of our intelligent minds 244 00:12:16,807 --> 00:12:20,442 trying to make sense of a chaotic world. 245 00:12:20,444 --> 00:12:23,511 But this innate belief in a hidden spiritual dimension 246 00:12:23,513 --> 00:12:26,914 is often reinforced by experience, 247 00:12:26,916 --> 00:12:31,585 because one in 10 of us will visit this mysterious realm 248 00:12:31,587 --> 00:12:34,554 in an out-of-body experience. 249 00:12:34,556 --> 00:12:38,257 When we leave our bodies, do we meet God? 250 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:45,259 Is there a reality beyond the world we see? 251 00:12:45,261 --> 00:12:48,929 A place where God and spirits live? 252 00:12:48,931 --> 00:12:53,266 Some people believe they have glimpsed this hidden world 253 00:12:53,268 --> 00:12:55,534 in an out-of-body experience. 254 00:12:55,536 --> 00:13:00,238 Are these phenomena proof of the existence of God? 255 00:13:03,508 --> 00:13:08,078 Neurologist Olaf Blanke is trying to discover 256 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,849 what really happens during an out-of-body experience. 257 00:13:12,851 --> 00:13:16,051 Blanke: What is very typical for this out-of-body phenomenon 258 00:13:16,053 --> 00:13:17,686 is that it is felt. 259 00:13:17,688 --> 00:13:19,521 It's highly spiritual. 260 00:13:19,523 --> 00:13:20,789 You know, think about it. 261 00:13:20,791 --> 00:13:22,257 You feel separated. 262 00:13:22,259 --> 00:13:24,224 Your mind is physically -- 263 00:13:24,226 --> 00:13:27,193 or you experience as separated from your body. 264 00:13:27,195 --> 00:13:29,328 So, how could this be? This doesn't fit. 265 00:13:31,298 --> 00:13:33,966 Freeman: Most people who have had an out-of-body experience 266 00:13:33,968 --> 00:13:39,038 report being spirited away to a hidden realm. 267 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,574 But Olaf suspects these voyages to the beyond 268 00:13:42,576 --> 00:13:45,477 take place purely inside our heads. 269 00:13:46,412 --> 00:13:48,146 Because while diagnosing 270 00:13:48,148 --> 00:13:51,316 one of his epileptic patients for treatment, 271 00:13:51,318 --> 00:13:52,950 he sent a mild current 272 00:13:52,952 --> 00:13:55,686 to electrodes implanted in her brain 273 00:13:55,688 --> 00:14:00,690 and inadvertently triggered an out-of-body experience. 274 00:14:00,692 --> 00:14:02,358 Blanke: She had the impression 275 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,827 that she herself would be under the ceiling 276 00:14:04,829 --> 00:14:08,396 of the stimulation room and to be looking down, 277 00:14:08,398 --> 00:14:10,565 seeing herself, her body, 278 00:14:10,567 --> 00:14:12,634 as well as the people sitting around her. 279 00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:19,107 Freeman: Olaf had sent a mild stimulating current 280 00:14:19,109 --> 00:14:23,410 to his patient's temporoparietal junction, or TPJ. 281 00:14:23,412 --> 00:14:25,445 This automatized body representation, 282 00:14:25,447 --> 00:14:28,281 when we stimulate it in this region in this one patient, 283 00:14:28,283 --> 00:14:29,882 could not fuse 284 00:14:29,884 --> 00:14:32,552 where you see your body and where you feel your body. 285 00:14:32,554 --> 00:14:36,087 And this kind of discoherent representation 286 00:14:36,089 --> 00:14:39,056 may lead to an out-of-body experience. 287 00:14:40,626 --> 00:14:43,494 Freeman: The TPJ is the brain's navigator, 288 00:14:43,496 --> 00:14:45,962 rather like the captain of a submarine 289 00:14:45,964 --> 00:14:49,031 who can't actually see where his vessel is heading 290 00:14:49,033 --> 00:14:52,701 but has to rely on indirect measurements of his position, 291 00:14:52,703 --> 00:14:55,703 like water-pressure readings and sonar pings. 292 00:14:55,705 --> 00:14:57,805 [ Sonar pinging ] 293 00:14:57,807 --> 00:15:01,442 If the data coming into the TPJ is interfered with, 294 00:15:01,444 --> 00:15:05,178 the navigation system can become disoriented. 295 00:15:05,180 --> 00:15:09,281 The TPJ could tell you you are upside down 296 00:15:09,283 --> 00:15:11,516 or somewhere you really aren't. 297 00:15:11,518 --> 00:15:13,351 [ Crash! ] 298 00:15:13,353 --> 00:15:15,853 [ Blink! Blink! Blink! ] 299 00:15:15,855 --> 00:15:18,856 If his hypothesis was correct, 300 00:15:18,858 --> 00:15:23,227 Olaf realized that out-of-body experiences 301 00:15:23,229 --> 00:15:26,897 might also be induced in any brain, epileptic or not, 302 00:15:26,899 --> 00:15:29,599 by tampering with people's senses. 303 00:15:29,601 --> 00:15:32,837 And to achieve this effect in a healthy subject 304 00:15:32,839 --> 00:15:34,872 without implanting electrodes, 305 00:15:34,874 --> 00:15:39,644 Olaf built a cutting-edge virtual-reality laboratory. 306 00:15:39,646 --> 00:15:43,587 Virtual reality gives us the possibility in the research lab 307 00:15:43,589 --> 00:15:48,330 to disassociate touch from sight of our participant's body. 308 00:15:48,332 --> 00:15:50,767 Careful. 309 00:15:50,769 --> 00:15:53,202 So, for this experiment, 310 00:15:53,204 --> 00:15:55,837 you will stand with your feet in front of there. 311 00:15:55,839 --> 00:15:57,372 Mm-hmm. Yes. 312 00:15:57,374 --> 00:16:00,042 Then I will put this on your head, 313 00:16:00,044 --> 00:16:02,678 and you will follow instructions on the screen. 314 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,247 Freeman: The subject sees a live feed 315 00:16:05,249 --> 00:16:07,782 from a camera placed behind her back. 316 00:16:09,685 --> 00:16:12,520 She feels a gentle stroke on her back, 317 00:16:12,522 --> 00:16:14,923 but sees the stroking as if her body 318 00:16:14,925 --> 00:16:17,692 is actually two feet in front of her mind. 319 00:16:17,694 --> 00:16:20,760 Blanke: So the brain is exposed to a spatial conflict, 320 00:16:20,762 --> 00:16:22,796 and being exposed to this spatial conflict 321 00:16:22,798 --> 00:16:23,864 for a long time, 322 00:16:23,866 --> 00:16:26,899 people start identifying with the avatar 323 00:16:26,901 --> 00:16:29,735 rather than with their physical body. 324 00:16:29,737 --> 00:16:33,706 Freeman: When asked to move back from where they are standing 325 00:16:33,708 --> 00:16:36,075 and then return to the same spot, 326 00:16:36,077 --> 00:16:40,245 the subjects always end up not in their original position, 327 00:16:40,247 --> 00:16:42,713 but two feet forward -- 328 00:16:42,715 --> 00:16:46,082 precisely where their virtual avatar appeared to be. 329 00:16:46,084 --> 00:16:47,283 The feeling is -- 330 00:16:47,285 --> 00:16:49,718 it's very strange at the beginning, 331 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,720 but it's actually very pleasant. 332 00:16:51,722 --> 00:16:55,256 It's more like my mind -- 333 00:16:55,258 --> 00:16:58,927 like my body is more the one I'm seeing, 334 00:16:58,929 --> 00:17:01,129 which is actually my body, 335 00:17:01,131 --> 00:17:05,566 but it's more like I'm there where I see myself to be. 336 00:17:05,568 --> 00:17:08,869 Freeman: When Olaf performed this experiment 337 00:17:08,871 --> 00:17:12,071 with the subject wearing an E.E.G. sensor, 338 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:15,741 he discovered that the brain's temporoparietal junction 339 00:17:15,743 --> 00:17:17,942 was highly active. 340 00:17:17,944 --> 00:17:21,979 The TPJ was struggling to create a cohesive reality 341 00:17:21,981 --> 00:17:25,082 out of the conflicting sensory input, 342 00:17:25,084 --> 00:17:27,184 and the net result was 343 00:17:27,186 --> 00:17:31,488 the sensation that she might be outside her body. 344 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:35,825 Olaf believes that when we have an out-of-body experience, 345 00:17:35,827 --> 00:17:37,827 we never leave our bodies, 346 00:17:37,829 --> 00:17:39,529 and the entities we sense 347 00:17:39,531 --> 00:17:43,165 are nothing more than phantoms of the brain. 348 00:17:43,167 --> 00:17:47,735 But believers sense God in their lives every day, 349 00:17:47,737 --> 00:17:50,803 not just in these rare and intense moments. 350 00:17:50,805 --> 00:17:53,070 Many of us see the hand of God 351 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:56,206 constantly shaping the world around us, 352 00:17:56,208 --> 00:18:00,577 and this psychologist believes she knows why. 353 00:18:04,643 --> 00:18:08,278 Why did she die so young? 354 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,716 Why did the hurricane destroy our town? 355 00:18:12,718 --> 00:18:16,119 Why did he win the lottery? 356 00:18:16,121 --> 00:18:20,789 To many believers, it's all part of God's plan. 357 00:18:20,791 --> 00:18:24,826 But psychologists are now asking another question. 358 00:18:24,828 --> 00:18:28,696 Why do we always ask why? 359 00:18:28,698 --> 00:18:32,167 Could the urge to find reason in our lives 360 00:18:32,169 --> 00:18:34,902 have driven us to invent God? 361 00:18:38,139 --> 00:18:40,207 Jennifer Whitson is a psychologist 362 00:18:40,209 --> 00:18:43,543 at the University of Texas Austin. 363 00:18:43,545 --> 00:18:46,947 She studies how human beings interpret meaning 364 00:18:46,949 --> 00:18:50,316 from signs and events in the world around them. 365 00:18:50,318 --> 00:18:55,554 Her interest in the subject began when she was a girl 366 00:18:55,556 --> 00:18:59,257 and became obsessed with a deck of Tarot cards. 367 00:18:59,259 --> 00:19:00,592 Whitson: When I was in high school, 368 00:19:00,594 --> 00:19:03,527 I got really excited about Tarot cards. 369 00:19:03,529 --> 00:19:04,928 I had my own deck, 370 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:07,597 and I was, you know, drawing all the cards all the time. 371 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:11,166 They did make me feel like I was connected 372 00:19:11,168 --> 00:19:14,069 to a greater pattern in the universe in some way, 373 00:19:14,071 --> 00:19:16,738 that the cards were giving me deeper insight 374 00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:18,539 than I could manage on my own. 375 00:19:18,541 --> 00:19:20,508 Freeman: The uncanny ability 376 00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:23,911 of Tarot cards or a fortune teller 377 00:19:23,913 --> 00:19:26,013 to see events in our lives 378 00:19:26,015 --> 00:19:29,383 is something many of us have experienced. 379 00:19:29,385 --> 00:19:32,586 And by the time Jennifer earned her PhD, 380 00:19:32,588 --> 00:19:35,555 she scientifically understood why. 381 00:19:35,557 --> 00:19:37,858 Our brains connect things. They just do it naturally. 382 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:40,193 So, when you draw the cards, 383 00:19:40,195 --> 00:19:42,595 your brain will still just jump right in and start saying, 384 00:19:42,597 --> 00:19:44,163 "Oh, I am having trouble with that. 385 00:19:44,165 --> 00:19:45,231 "Oh, that is a challenge. 386 00:19:45,233 --> 00:19:46,565 Oh, maybe I am overlooking this." 387 00:19:46,567 --> 00:19:47,799 It's like magic. 388 00:19:47,801 --> 00:19:49,634 Your brain will just start to make a story for you. 389 00:19:49,636 --> 00:19:52,770 So, even though I don't believe that they're doing anything, 390 00:19:52,772 --> 00:19:55,873 even though I see them as just sort of a random collection 391 00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:59,243 of various symbols and meanings... 392 00:19:59,245 --> 00:20:00,411 it's still really fun 393 00:20:00,413 --> 00:20:02,679 to watch my brain knit things together for me. 394 00:20:06,383 --> 00:20:08,250 Freeman: Nearly every religion teaches 395 00:20:08,252 --> 00:20:10,652 that the events taking place in the world 396 00:20:10,654 --> 00:20:13,221 really are connected. 397 00:20:13,223 --> 00:20:16,825 They're all part of a divine scheme, 398 00:20:16,827 --> 00:20:18,460 whether it be called karma, 399 00:20:18,462 --> 00:20:21,896 the will of God, or Qadar Allah. 400 00:20:21,898 --> 00:20:23,664 When catastrophes strike, 401 00:20:23,666 --> 00:20:26,200 many believers see these tragedies 402 00:20:26,202 --> 00:20:28,201 as the work of a higher power 403 00:20:28,203 --> 00:20:32,070 brought about for reasons that we may not fully understand, 404 00:20:32,072 --> 00:20:35,272 whereas others see these same events 405 00:20:35,274 --> 00:20:38,175 as nothing more than random chance. 406 00:20:38,177 --> 00:20:40,778 Jennifer devised a psychological study 407 00:20:40,780 --> 00:20:42,146 to try to understand 408 00:20:42,148 --> 00:20:46,016 why people might develop such different mind-sets. 409 00:20:46,018 --> 00:20:48,216 Whitson: They came into the study, and we said, 410 00:20:48,218 --> 00:20:50,684 "Hey, you're going to see a series of paired symbols 411 00:20:50,686 --> 00:20:52,352 "on the computer screen. 412 00:20:52,354 --> 00:20:55,988 "The computer has generated these symbols using a concept. 413 00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:58,424 It's your job to figure out what that concept is." 414 00:20:58,426 --> 00:21:00,425 We didn't give them any feedback 415 00:21:00,427 --> 00:21:02,661 about whether they were right or wrong, 416 00:21:02,663 --> 00:21:05,163 so they had complete control over that task. 417 00:21:05,165 --> 00:21:08,032 Freeman: This task is, however, a calculated trick 418 00:21:08,034 --> 00:21:11,402 to get the participants feeling in a secure frame of mind 419 00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:12,769 before the real test -- 420 00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:17,373 searching for patterns in images of white noise. 421 00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:20,208 Whitson: Then we simply show you an image of static, 422 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:22,310 a still photograph of just noise, 423 00:21:22,312 --> 00:21:23,945 and we say, very simply, 424 00:21:23,947 --> 00:21:26,447 "Do you see anything here -- yes or no? 425 00:21:26,449 --> 00:21:27,782 If so, what?" 426 00:21:27,784 --> 00:21:31,285 Freeman: Each participant who looked at the white noise 427 00:21:31,287 --> 00:21:34,187 saw it as completely random and meaningless. 428 00:21:34,189 --> 00:21:38,690 Now Jennifer repeats the same experiment with a new group, 429 00:21:38,692 --> 00:21:40,392 but for their warm-up, 430 00:21:40,394 --> 00:21:43,462 Jennifer has preprogrammed the computer 431 00:21:43,464 --> 00:21:45,831 to utterly frustrate them. 432 00:21:45,833 --> 00:21:48,399 Whitson: The feedback that you receive is random. 433 00:21:48,401 --> 00:21:50,368 And so, you are randomly being told 434 00:21:50,370 --> 00:21:54,138 that you're correct or incorrect no matter what it is you do. 435 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:56,606 Freeman: This second set of subjects 436 00:21:56,608 --> 00:22:00,142 all believe they have utterly flunked the initial test, 437 00:22:00,144 --> 00:22:03,579 and when they begin looking at the white-noise images, 438 00:22:03,581 --> 00:22:04,914 they do so feeling 439 00:22:04,916 --> 00:22:08,050 they are not in control of their surroundings. 440 00:22:08,052 --> 00:22:10,052 And Jennifer documented 441 00:22:10,054 --> 00:22:14,922 how it changed their perception of the random images of noise. 442 00:22:14,924 --> 00:22:16,991 Whitson: Looking at them purely objectively, 443 00:22:16,993 --> 00:22:20,160 the answer should be no every time -- no, no, no. 444 00:22:20,162 --> 00:22:22,896 But what we see is that when people lack control, 445 00:22:22,898 --> 00:22:25,231 they're significantly more likely to say, 446 00:22:25,233 --> 00:22:27,167 "Yes, I see something in this image. 447 00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:28,468 There's something there." 448 00:22:30,004 --> 00:22:31,371 Freeman: Jennifer's work shows 449 00:22:31,373 --> 00:22:34,007 that lack of control encourages our brain 450 00:22:34,009 --> 00:22:38,710 to seek patterns in what otherwise would be randomness. 451 00:22:38,712 --> 00:22:40,478 All of these false patterns, 452 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,613 all of these illusory patterns are connected. 453 00:22:42,615 --> 00:22:44,815 All of them are influenced by lacking control. 454 00:22:44,817 --> 00:22:46,282 So, when people lack control, 455 00:22:46,284 --> 00:22:48,751 they're more likely to see trends in the stock market 456 00:22:48,753 --> 00:22:49,885 that don't exist. 457 00:22:49,887 --> 00:22:51,952 They're more likely to see conspiracies 458 00:22:51,954 --> 00:22:54,051 in the world around them that don't exist, 459 00:22:54,053 --> 00:22:56,018 because it's our instinctive sense 460 00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:57,085 to try and react 461 00:22:57,087 --> 00:22:59,220 to the situation which we lacked control 462 00:22:59,222 --> 00:23:02,356 by making sense of it, understanding it, 463 00:23:02,358 --> 00:23:04,358 even if it's a false understanding. 464 00:23:09,330 --> 00:23:11,363 Freeman: This effect could explain 465 00:23:11,365 --> 00:23:13,499 why religion is so successful 466 00:23:13,501 --> 00:23:16,234 among the poor and disenfranchised. 467 00:23:16,236 --> 00:23:20,704 Whenever people feel like their lives are out of control, 468 00:23:20,706 --> 00:23:24,808 God helps them make sense of things. 469 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:27,010 There is a lot of randomness in our lives. 470 00:23:27,012 --> 00:23:28,377 There is a lot of chaos. 471 00:23:28,379 --> 00:23:30,880 There are many, many, many things we do not control. 472 00:23:30,882 --> 00:23:33,382 And so we have to pick out of that chaos 473 00:23:33,384 --> 00:23:35,250 things that are meaningful to us 474 00:23:35,252 --> 00:23:38,785 to make a sensible story out of our lives. 475 00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:46,491 Psychologists believe that our intelligent minds 476 00:23:46,493 --> 00:23:50,194 constantly strive to make sense of the world. 477 00:23:50,196 --> 00:23:54,198 For every action, there must be a cause. 478 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,868 But there are other intelligent creatures on the planet. 479 00:23:57,870 --> 00:24:00,037 Do they believe in God? 480 00:24:02,304 --> 00:24:04,772 In every civilization on earth, 481 00:24:04,774 --> 00:24:07,709 people perform religious rituals. 482 00:24:07,711 --> 00:24:12,147 Buddhists chant. Hindus draw shapes in chalk. 483 00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:15,183 Christians baptize. 484 00:24:15,185 --> 00:24:18,619 Scientists now believe our spiritual behavior 485 00:24:18,621 --> 00:24:21,555 stems from our advanced intelligence. 486 00:24:21,557 --> 00:24:24,525 If this is the case, 487 00:24:24,527 --> 00:24:28,762 do other intelligent creatures experience God? 488 00:24:30,531 --> 00:24:34,901 Danny Povinelli of the University of Louisiana 489 00:24:34,903 --> 00:24:39,271 is a world-renowned expert in comparative psychology. 490 00:24:39,273 --> 00:24:41,540 He's a meticulous scientist 491 00:24:41,542 --> 00:24:46,943 who intimately studies the mind of chimpanzees. 492 00:24:51,547 --> 00:24:54,415 Povinelli: I first became interested in chimps when I was 14. 493 00:24:54,417 --> 00:24:56,584 And I had read all of the work 494 00:24:56,586 --> 00:24:58,252 about how they could use sign language 495 00:24:58,254 --> 00:25:00,254 and do all of these fabulous things with tools. 496 00:25:00,256 --> 00:25:04,257 And so I thought they were pretty much hairy human children 497 00:25:04,259 --> 00:25:05,658 that couldn't quite speak, 498 00:25:05,660 --> 00:25:08,427 and the scientific story was that meant they were self-aware. 499 00:25:08,429 --> 00:25:11,029 You know, for a young, introspective teenager, 500 00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:13,298 that meant there might be another organism 501 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:14,566 out there on earth 502 00:25:14,568 --> 00:25:17,702 that was asking the same existential questions I was 503 00:25:17,704 --> 00:25:19,604 about what it meant to be alive. 504 00:25:19,606 --> 00:25:22,073 That's good stuff. No, this one's mine. 505 00:25:22,075 --> 00:25:25,376 This is mine. You got one. 506 00:25:25,378 --> 00:25:27,478 Freeman: And for Danny, 507 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,081 the most important existential question 508 00:25:31,083 --> 00:25:33,116 a thinking creature could ask was, 509 00:25:33,118 --> 00:25:36,520 is there a God out there? 510 00:25:36,522 --> 00:25:39,356 So, when he grew up to become a scientist, 511 00:25:39,358 --> 00:25:42,259 he developed a series of tests to explore the difference 512 00:25:42,261 --> 00:25:45,896 between the way chimps and humans think about the world. 513 00:25:47,431 --> 00:25:49,765 We're gonna give Billy a little test here -- 514 00:25:49,767 --> 00:25:52,968 a really short object and a long object. 515 00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:55,237 We're gonna see if Billy knows which one to use. 516 00:25:55,239 --> 00:25:59,073 Go ahead, Billy. Go ahead. Go ahead. 517 00:25:59,075 --> 00:26:01,175 But you can see he knows to use the long one here 518 00:26:01,177 --> 00:26:02,643 to get the treat that he wants. 519 00:26:02,645 --> 00:26:05,545 Good job. Good job. 520 00:26:05,547 --> 00:26:08,214 Freeman: Billy the chimp immediately knows 521 00:26:08,216 --> 00:26:11,350 that only the longer stick will reach the Gummy Bears. 522 00:26:11,352 --> 00:26:15,187 The short and long sticks are obviously different to him. 523 00:26:15,189 --> 00:26:16,588 But for chimps, 524 00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:19,691 not all tools are as easy to tell apart 525 00:26:19,693 --> 00:26:22,160 as they are for us. 526 00:26:22,162 --> 00:26:23,995 Okay, now, we're gonna try something 527 00:26:23,997 --> 00:26:25,162 a little bit different. 528 00:26:25,164 --> 00:26:26,597 In this experiment, 529 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,399 the goal is to crush a nut with one of two blocks. 530 00:26:29,401 --> 00:26:32,068 The blocks look identical, 531 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:35,404 but, in reality, have different weights. 532 00:26:35,406 --> 00:26:38,106 You know which one's a good one to crack the nut? 533 00:26:38,108 --> 00:26:39,473 How do you know? 534 00:26:39,475 --> 00:26:41,775 Because the pillow's going down more than that one. 535 00:26:41,777 --> 00:26:45,545 Oh. Well, why does that mean that that's the good one? 536 00:26:45,547 --> 00:26:48,915 Because this one's more heavier. 537 00:26:48,917 --> 00:26:50,517 Well, let's see if you're right. 538 00:26:52,786 --> 00:26:54,153 [ Laughs ] 539 00:26:54,155 --> 00:26:55,987 Good job. I love these things. 540 00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:57,756 I'm gonna eat one. Good job. 541 00:26:57,758 --> 00:26:59,824 Good work. Give me five. 542 00:26:59,826 --> 00:27:03,794 Now Billy takes a crack at the same problem. 543 00:27:03,796 --> 00:27:06,796 We're gonna see if Billy can immediately figure out 544 00:27:06,798 --> 00:27:07,930 which one to use. 545 00:27:07,932 --> 00:27:10,033 Go ahead, Billy. 546 00:27:10,035 --> 00:27:11,334 Good job, Billy. 547 00:27:11,336 --> 00:27:12,836 Okay. That's the hard way, Billy. 548 00:27:12,838 --> 00:27:13,971 That's the hard way. 549 00:27:13,973 --> 00:27:16,206 Here. Try it the easy way. 550 00:27:16,208 --> 00:27:17,874 Crack it. Crack it, Billy. 551 00:27:17,876 --> 00:27:19,843 There you go. There you go. 552 00:27:19,845 --> 00:27:22,312 Good job, Billy. Good job. 553 00:27:22,314 --> 00:27:24,614 Freeman: The ability to understand 554 00:27:24,616 --> 00:27:28,485 that objects can have hidden properties like weight 555 00:27:28,487 --> 00:27:31,522 appears to be beyond chimps. 556 00:27:31,524 --> 00:27:34,958 But how about understanding that other living beings 557 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,727 have something hidden under their skulls? 558 00:27:37,729 --> 00:27:42,231 Can chimps sense the minds of others? 559 00:27:42,233 --> 00:27:43,632 Povinelli: Theory of mind is 560 00:27:43,634 --> 00:27:45,767 our ability to empathize with other people 561 00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:47,736 and imagine what it might be like 562 00:27:47,738 --> 00:27:50,037 to be in that other person's perspective 563 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:51,638 from a certain point of view. 564 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,308 We know that a chimp like Billy 565 00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:56,142 can approach someone, make a gesture, 566 00:27:56,144 --> 00:27:58,911 look up into their eyes and ask for cookies if he wants them 567 00:27:58,913 --> 00:28:00,346 or a Gummy Bear, 568 00:28:00,348 --> 00:28:03,549 but does Billy realize that someone can actually see him, 569 00:28:03,551 --> 00:28:05,650 there's an inner visual experience? 570 00:28:05,652 --> 00:28:09,187 Freeman: Danny came up with another experiment 571 00:28:09,189 --> 00:28:12,823 to test whether chimpanzees possess a theory of mind. 572 00:28:12,825 --> 00:28:14,291 Watch this. Ooh. 573 00:28:14,293 --> 00:28:16,760 He shows Billy two pairs of sunglasses. 574 00:28:16,762 --> 00:28:18,294 The blue ones are normal. 575 00:28:18,296 --> 00:28:20,430 He can see out of them just fine. 576 00:28:20,432 --> 00:28:22,031 Cool. 577 00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:25,601 But the yellow ones are blacked out on the inside. 578 00:28:25,603 --> 00:28:29,671 When Billy puts them on, he's completely in the dark. 579 00:28:29,673 --> 00:28:31,773 Now we're going to let Billy observe 580 00:28:31,775 --> 00:28:34,108 someone else wearing these sunglasses, 581 00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:35,910 and we're gonna see if he knows 582 00:28:35,912 --> 00:28:38,679 that only the person wearing the blue ones 583 00:28:38,681 --> 00:28:40,081 can actually see him. 584 00:28:40,083 --> 00:28:42,350 Go ask for it. 585 00:28:48,023 --> 00:28:49,423 Freeman: Even though chimps 586 00:28:49,425 --> 00:28:52,125 can easily distinguish the colors of the sunglasses, 587 00:28:52,127 --> 00:28:54,628 and they know the yellow ones are blacked out, 588 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:59,232 Danny found that chimps approach food givers at random. 589 00:28:59,234 --> 00:29:02,235 Chimps do not appear to know or care 590 00:29:02,237 --> 00:29:05,171 that other creatures are conscious beings. 591 00:29:10,142 --> 00:29:13,510 But human beings already have a theory of mind 592 00:29:13,512 --> 00:29:15,045 at a very young age. 593 00:29:15,047 --> 00:29:17,147 Povinelli: Go ask one for a Gummy Bear. 594 00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:18,315 But you can't say a word 595 00:29:18,317 --> 00:29:20,650 and you got to stay at this side of the rope, okay? 596 00:29:20,652 --> 00:29:21,751 You ready? Uh-huh. 597 00:29:21,753 --> 00:29:23,419 Go. 598 00:29:23,421 --> 00:29:26,720 Oh, good job. Good job. 599 00:29:26,722 --> 00:29:28,289 Why did you ask her for one? 600 00:29:28,291 --> 00:29:30,290 Because she can see. 601 00:29:30,292 --> 00:29:32,393 How do you know that he can't see you? 602 00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:34,161 Because there's paint on it. 603 00:29:34,163 --> 00:29:36,129 How do you know she can see you? 604 00:29:36,131 --> 00:29:37,931 Because there's no paint. 605 00:29:37,933 --> 00:29:39,899 Good job. High five. 606 00:29:39,901 --> 00:29:41,401 Nice job, Kelly. 607 00:29:41,403 --> 00:29:45,601 By somewhere between 3 to 5 years of age, 608 00:29:45,603 --> 00:29:47,501 young children consolidate 609 00:29:47,503 --> 00:29:50,502 a human way of thinking about the world, 610 00:29:50,504 --> 00:29:52,304 that there are features of the world 611 00:29:52,306 --> 00:29:55,640 that they can directly grab ahold of with their hands, 612 00:29:55,642 --> 00:29:59,609 feel, smell, hear, taste, see. 613 00:29:59,611 --> 00:30:02,078 And then there's a more abstract world, also, 614 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,180 that bridges together these things -- 615 00:30:04,182 --> 00:30:06,849 things like force, mental states. 616 00:30:06,851 --> 00:30:10,285 And unlike that, no matter what age a chimp is, 617 00:30:10,287 --> 00:30:14,089 even full adult chimps never seem to make that leap. 618 00:30:14,091 --> 00:30:17,291 Freeman: We share our planet with chimpanzees 619 00:30:17,293 --> 00:30:20,294 and about 9 million other species. 620 00:30:20,296 --> 00:30:21,929 But Danny believes 621 00:30:21,931 --> 00:30:26,299 that only Homo Sapiens is capable of believing in God 622 00:30:26,301 --> 00:30:30,202 because being able to perceive a divine consciousness 623 00:30:30,204 --> 00:30:35,007 requires a theory of mind, which we alone possess. 624 00:30:35,009 --> 00:30:37,743 Povinelli: Chimps don't have rituals of any kind. 625 00:30:37,745 --> 00:30:40,612 There are no cultural traditions that are passed on 626 00:30:40,614 --> 00:30:43,181 that are at the level of worship or praying. 627 00:30:43,183 --> 00:30:45,850 They share with us a lot of abilities that we have, 628 00:30:45,852 --> 00:30:48,185 but the human mind has something different. 629 00:30:48,187 --> 00:30:50,988 The core of religious experience 630 00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:54,892 involves not only sensing this divine mind, 631 00:30:54,894 --> 00:30:57,928 but also communicating with it. 632 00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:00,964 Does God really answer our prayers? 633 00:31:00,966 --> 00:31:03,566 Or is it all just in our heads? 634 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:10,594 The book of James says, 635 00:31:10,596 --> 00:31:14,330 "If any of you lacks wisdom, ask of God, 636 00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:16,898 and it shall be given." 637 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:21,469 Hindus pray to Lord Shiva to protect them from harm. 638 00:31:21,471 --> 00:31:23,971 Nearly all religions believe 639 00:31:23,973 --> 00:31:28,208 we can petition the divine for help or guidance, 640 00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:32,412 but how do we hear God's answers? 641 00:31:34,181 --> 00:31:37,017 Jesse Bering's psychological research has shown 642 00:31:37,019 --> 00:31:40,521 that children instinctively believe in supernatural entities 643 00:31:40,523 --> 00:31:42,556 from a very young age. 644 00:31:42,558 --> 00:31:46,960 Now he's trying to figure out when they begin to believe 645 00:31:46,962 --> 00:31:51,798 those entities can communicate with them or send them signs. 646 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,600 We create a laboratory situation 647 00:31:53,602 --> 00:31:56,535 where unexpected things happen in the environment, 648 00:31:56,537 --> 00:32:00,439 and we find out the age at which they begin to see 649 00:32:00,441 --> 00:32:02,774 events happening that are unexpected 650 00:32:02,776 --> 00:32:04,276 as basically being signs. 651 00:32:04,278 --> 00:32:06,344 Freeman: Jesse and his assistants 652 00:32:06,346 --> 00:32:09,814 secretly place a ball in one of two boxes 653 00:32:09,816 --> 00:32:13,888 and ask the children to guess which one. 654 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:20,160 However, he also lets them know they have a supernatural helper, 655 00:32:20,162 --> 00:32:23,162 his loyal sidekick, Princess Alice. 656 00:32:23,164 --> 00:32:25,965 Bering: Princess Alice can make herself invisible. 657 00:32:25,967 --> 00:32:28,367 That's her superpower. 658 00:32:28,369 --> 00:32:31,470 She's gonna tell you when you pick the wrong box. 659 00:32:31,472 --> 00:32:33,639 I don't know how she's gonna tell you, 660 00:32:33,641 --> 00:32:36,608 but somehow she'll tell you when you pick the wrong box. 661 00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:39,444 Let's say that a kid puts their hand on top of the box 662 00:32:39,446 --> 00:32:40,879 and all of a sudden, 663 00:32:40,881 --> 00:32:44,516 they see this light flickering in the corner of the room. 664 00:32:44,518 --> 00:32:45,950 The expectation would be 665 00:32:45,952 --> 00:32:48,186 that they would simply move their hand to the opposite box 666 00:32:48,188 --> 00:32:49,387 as though they understand 667 00:32:49,389 --> 00:32:50,955 that she is giving them a message 668 00:32:50,957 --> 00:32:52,189 or communicating with them. 669 00:32:52,191 --> 00:32:55,324 Okay, now we're gonna see a 4-year-old 670 00:32:55,326 --> 00:32:59,295 and see how she responds to Princess Alice talking to her. 671 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,768 She looks at the light, 672 00:33:07,770 --> 00:33:09,537 but not terribly interested in it, 673 00:33:09,539 --> 00:33:10,905 doesn't seem to be motivated 674 00:33:10,907 --> 00:33:13,874 to move her hand to the opposite box. 675 00:33:13,876 --> 00:33:17,144 Freeman: Jesse argues that belief in the divine 676 00:33:17,146 --> 00:33:18,945 requires a theory of mind, 677 00:33:18,947 --> 00:33:23,251 the ability to comprehend that other beings are thinking. 678 00:33:23,253 --> 00:33:25,892 But two-way communication with a hidden entity 679 00:33:25,894 --> 00:33:27,260 requires something more. 680 00:33:27,262 --> 00:33:29,795 Children must be able to understand 681 00:33:29,797 --> 00:33:32,931 that Princess Alice also has a theory of mind, 682 00:33:32,933 --> 00:33:36,401 that she, too, is aware that they have a mind -- 683 00:33:36,403 --> 00:33:39,838 a mind hard at work choosing a box. 684 00:33:45,811 --> 00:33:48,212 Bering: And as simple as this might seem to us, 685 00:33:48,214 --> 00:33:49,447 this is actually 686 00:33:49,449 --> 00:33:51,382 a fairly sophisticated cognitive achievement. 687 00:33:51,384 --> 00:33:52,616 He has to understand 688 00:33:52,618 --> 00:33:54,751 that Princess Alice is communicating with him. 689 00:33:54,753 --> 00:33:56,553 Younger children can't do this. 690 00:33:56,555 --> 00:33:59,689 It's only about age 7 or so -- 7, 8, 9 -- 691 00:33:59,691 --> 00:34:01,958 that we begin to see a clear indication 692 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,660 that children are really beginning to understand 693 00:34:04,662 --> 00:34:07,697 Princess Alice as thinking about what they're thinking, 694 00:34:07,699 --> 00:34:09,064 understanding, in this case, 695 00:34:09,066 --> 00:34:10,933 that they don't know where the ball's actually hidden. 696 00:34:10,935 --> 00:34:13,735 Freeman: Younger children may attribute 697 00:34:13,737 --> 00:34:15,937 the strange flickering light to Princess Alice, 698 00:34:15,939 --> 00:34:17,772 but they cannot comprehend 699 00:34:17,774 --> 00:34:20,808 that she's doing it to send them a message. 700 00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:23,477 And while younger kids might pray to God, 701 00:34:23,479 --> 00:34:25,879 Jesse's work shows 702 00:34:25,881 --> 00:34:29,982 that only older children with more developed intelligence 703 00:34:29,984 --> 00:34:32,852 actually perceive answers to prayers 704 00:34:32,854 --> 00:34:34,791 in the world around them. 705 00:34:34,793 --> 00:34:37,629 Princess Alice is basically being sort of a God by proxy. 706 00:34:37,631 --> 00:34:39,297 She's making these happen 707 00:34:39,299 --> 00:34:41,632 like the light flashing on and off 708 00:34:41,634 --> 00:34:44,969 just like God would, in principle, create a thunderstorm 709 00:34:44,971 --> 00:34:46,404 to give one a message 710 00:34:46,406 --> 00:34:50,341 or create a parking lot opening up at just the right time. 711 00:34:50,343 --> 00:34:52,976 Freeman: Jesse believes 712 00:34:52,978 --> 00:34:56,446 we develop the mental ability to read these messages 713 00:34:56,448 --> 00:34:58,815 whether we believe in God or not. 714 00:34:58,817 --> 00:35:02,051 Jesse experienced this phenomenon firsthand 715 00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:03,786 when his mother, Alice, 716 00:35:03,788 --> 00:35:06,255 the inspiration behind Princess Alice, 717 00:35:06,257 --> 00:35:07,857 was dying. 718 00:35:07,859 --> 00:35:09,526 Bering: She wasn't convinced absolutely 719 00:35:09,528 --> 00:35:11,160 that there was something after death, 720 00:35:11,162 --> 00:35:12,662 but she told me that if there was, 721 00:35:12,664 --> 00:35:13,830 she would come back somehow 722 00:35:13,832 --> 00:35:15,698 and give me a message and communicate with me. 723 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,566 Freeman: After she passed, 724 00:35:17,568 --> 00:35:20,102 Jesse was overwhelmed with grief, 725 00:35:20,104 --> 00:35:21,770 and as a scientist, 726 00:35:21,772 --> 00:35:25,006 he was shocked at what his mind did next. 727 00:35:25,008 --> 00:35:27,842 When she died, the following evening, 728 00:35:27,844 --> 00:35:31,544 the wind chimes outside of her window where she had passed away 729 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,680 started to move and make sound... 730 00:35:33,682 --> 00:35:35,781 [ Wind chimes tinkling ] 731 00:35:35,783 --> 00:35:38,751 ...which was odd because there wasn't a lot of wind, 732 00:35:38,753 --> 00:35:41,486 and my mind immediately sort of leapt to the conclusion 733 00:35:41,488 --> 00:35:44,154 that this was my mother telling me that she was okay. 734 00:35:44,156 --> 00:35:46,757 She was giving me a message not to worry about her, 735 00:35:46,759 --> 00:35:48,892 everything was fine. 736 00:35:48,894 --> 00:35:50,627 [ Wind chimes tinkling ] 737 00:35:50,629 --> 00:35:51,928 It's completely unconscious. 738 00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:54,097 It's not something deliberate that I was trying to do. 739 00:35:54,099 --> 00:35:55,731 It just happened. 740 00:35:57,467 --> 00:36:01,069 Belief is basically sort of the default setting 741 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:03,404 for the human cognitive system. 742 00:36:03,406 --> 00:36:07,807 It's seducing us with these very powerful intuitions 743 00:36:07,809 --> 00:36:10,277 that things happen for a reason. 744 00:36:16,548 --> 00:36:18,715 Freeman: Jesse's work shows 745 00:36:18,717 --> 00:36:21,418 we all naturally develop the ability 746 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:24,487 to receive messages from God. 747 00:36:24,489 --> 00:36:28,657 Believers feel these messages are real. 748 00:36:28,659 --> 00:36:32,561 Atheists argue they are just in our imagination. 749 00:36:32,563 --> 00:36:37,498 And this neuroscientist is peering into our minds, 750 00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:40,935 trying to discover who is right. 751 00:36:44,073 --> 00:36:46,641 What is real? 752 00:36:46,643 --> 00:36:48,643 We define reality 753 00:36:48,645 --> 00:36:54,815 by what we can see, hear, touch, smell, or taste. 754 00:36:54,817 --> 00:36:56,516 Inside the brain, 755 00:36:56,518 --> 00:37:00,120 these senses exist as electrical signals. 756 00:37:00,122 --> 00:37:04,223 For us, the entire sum of all reality 757 00:37:04,225 --> 00:37:09,328 is contained in this bundle of electrical wiring. 758 00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:13,466 So, when our brains sense God... 759 00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:20,106 ...does that make God real? 760 00:37:20,108 --> 00:37:25,945 Andy Newberg is the founding father of Neurotheology, 761 00:37:25,947 --> 00:37:27,847 a new branch of neuroscience 762 00:37:27,849 --> 00:37:31,850 that studies the effects of spirituality on the human brain. 763 00:37:31,852 --> 00:37:34,986 It's a scientific quest he has pursued 764 00:37:34,988 --> 00:37:37,087 as long as he can remember. 765 00:37:37,089 --> 00:37:38,655 Ever since I was a kid, 766 00:37:38,657 --> 00:37:42,191 I was very interested in trying to understand reality. 767 00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:43,793 I was disturbed by the fact 768 00:37:43,795 --> 00:37:46,295 that everyone was looking at the same reality, 769 00:37:46,297 --> 00:37:48,063 and yet there were people with different religions 770 00:37:48,065 --> 00:37:49,998 and different political beliefs. 771 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,066 Freeman: Andy found a way 772 00:37:52,068 --> 00:37:54,568 to peer inside the brains of believers 773 00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:57,838 while they were in the midst of a religious ritual. 774 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,510 It's the highest of high-tech brain-imaging devices -- 775 00:38:02,512 --> 00:38:04,611 the SPECT scanner. 776 00:38:04,613 --> 00:38:06,112 I'm gonna come in, 777 00:38:06,114 --> 00:38:08,282 and I'm gonna just inject you through the I.V. with the gold, 778 00:38:08,284 --> 00:38:10,016 and I'm gonna try very hard not to disturb you 779 00:38:10,018 --> 00:38:12,118 or distract you or make any noise, 780 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,889 and you're just gonna continue to do your prayer session 781 00:38:15,891 --> 00:38:17,090 until it's done. 782 00:38:17,092 --> 00:38:20,526 This woman is a Presbyterian minister. 783 00:38:20,528 --> 00:38:24,429 She's prayed to God daily for over 34 years. 784 00:38:24,431 --> 00:38:28,572 Right now, she's deep in prayer. 785 00:38:28,574 --> 00:38:31,241 At the height of her connection with God, 786 00:38:31,243 --> 00:38:35,512 Andy injects her with a harmless radioactive dye. 787 00:38:37,782 --> 00:38:40,350 Over the course of the next few minutes 788 00:38:40,352 --> 00:38:41,951 as she continues to pray, 789 00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:44,687 the dye migrates to the parts of her brain 790 00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:47,556 where the blood flow is the strongest. 791 00:38:47,558 --> 00:38:49,391 Newberg: The brain works in a very nice way 792 00:38:49,393 --> 00:38:51,126 that the more active a particular part is, 793 00:38:51,128 --> 00:38:52,494 the more blood flow it gets, 794 00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:55,163 and the less active it is, the less blood flow it gets. 795 00:38:55,165 --> 00:38:58,866 Freeman: These are the images of her brain 796 00:38:58,868 --> 00:39:01,335 before and during her prayer. 797 00:39:01,337 --> 00:39:02,970 The redder the shade, 798 00:39:02,972 --> 00:39:06,006 the more active the neural area is. 799 00:39:06,008 --> 00:39:07,875 Newberg: This is the resting scan. 800 00:39:07,877 --> 00:39:09,443 This is the prayer scan 801 00:39:09,445 --> 00:39:12,613 showing increased activity in the frontal lobes 802 00:39:12,615 --> 00:39:15,616 and in the language area of the brain. 803 00:39:15,618 --> 00:39:18,852 Freeman: Andy has scanned hundreds of brains 804 00:39:18,854 --> 00:39:22,088 in the midst of their prayer rituals, 805 00:39:22,090 --> 00:39:25,091 from Muslim imams to Tibetan monks 806 00:39:25,093 --> 00:39:27,760 to meditating atheists. 807 00:39:27,762 --> 00:39:29,194 Newberg: So, for example, 808 00:39:29,196 --> 00:39:32,030 when a person feels deeply focused on their prayer, 809 00:39:32,032 --> 00:39:33,297 we see increased activity 810 00:39:33,299 --> 00:39:34,998 in the focusing area of the brain. 811 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,801 Freeman: This area of the brain, the frontal lobe, 812 00:39:38,803 --> 00:39:42,803 is intensely active when we hold conversations. 813 00:39:42,805 --> 00:39:45,603 It allows us to speak and to listen. 814 00:39:45,605 --> 00:39:50,407 Andy believes that in Judeo-Christian prayer, 815 00:39:50,409 --> 00:39:53,176 the frontal lobe activates 816 00:39:53,178 --> 00:39:56,712 just as it would in normal conversation. 817 00:39:56,714 --> 00:39:58,013 To the brain, 818 00:39:58,015 --> 00:40:00,382 talking to God is indistinguishable 819 00:40:00,384 --> 00:40:02,050 from talking to a person. 820 00:40:05,888 --> 00:40:07,788 When we study Buddhist meditation, 821 00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:09,690 where they're visualizing something, 822 00:40:09,692 --> 00:40:11,258 we might expect to see a change 823 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:15,194 or an increase of activity in the visual areas of the brain. 824 00:40:15,196 --> 00:40:17,096 Freeman: In Buddhist practice, 825 00:40:17,098 --> 00:40:19,598 the divine is an abstract presence... 826 00:40:21,534 --> 00:40:24,935 ...not a person who is directly spoken to, 827 00:40:24,937 --> 00:40:28,037 but rather an essence that can be visualized 828 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,674 during deep meditation. 829 00:40:31,676 --> 00:40:34,043 And when Andy looks at the brains 830 00:40:34,045 --> 00:40:36,578 of people who do not believe in God, 831 00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:39,113 he finds that simple, quiet meditation 832 00:40:39,115 --> 00:40:42,983 produces none of the brain activity of believers. 833 00:40:42,985 --> 00:40:45,385 Newberg: This was a scan of an atheist -- 834 00:40:45,387 --> 00:40:48,087 we actually had them meditating or contemplating God -- 835 00:40:48,089 --> 00:40:50,657 showing that the frontal lobes don't activate 836 00:40:50,659 --> 00:40:53,059 as opposed to the person praying who does. 837 00:40:53,061 --> 00:40:57,329 Freeman: To an atheist, God is unimaginable. 838 00:40:57,331 --> 00:41:02,600 But to the believer, experiences of God are more than thoughts. 839 00:41:02,602 --> 00:41:04,068 They are lived sensations 840 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:09,406 and just as real as the physical world that we all sense. 841 00:41:09,408 --> 00:41:10,773 So, it helps us to understand 842 00:41:10,775 --> 00:41:13,108 that at least when they're describing this to us, 843 00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:16,844 that they are really having this kind of an experience. 844 00:41:16,846 --> 00:41:18,379 What I like to say is 845 00:41:18,381 --> 00:41:20,614 that the experience is at least neurologically real. 846 00:41:20,616 --> 00:41:24,117 Freeman: Andy's brain studies show 847 00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,252 that all religions create neurological experiences 848 00:41:26,254 --> 00:41:28,120 that are just as real 849 00:41:28,122 --> 00:41:33,759 as if God physically existed in the world outside our brains. 850 00:41:33,761 --> 00:41:36,928 And if God only exists inside our brains, 851 00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:39,731 that does not mean God is not real. 852 00:41:39,733 --> 00:41:45,302 Our brains are where reality crystallizes for us. 853 00:41:47,105 --> 00:41:49,039 Newberg: There's certainly this notion 854 00:41:49,041 --> 00:41:51,474 that there is something bigger than all of us here, 855 00:41:51,476 --> 00:41:53,142 and whether it's the whole universe 856 00:41:53,144 --> 00:41:55,377 or whether there is something beyond all of that, 857 00:41:55,379 --> 00:41:57,179 I'm still working on that. 858 00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:58,279 And if I ever figure it out, 859 00:41:58,281 --> 00:41:59,714 I'll certainly let everyone know. 860 00:41:59,716 --> 00:42:00,781 [ Chuckles ] 861 00:42:00,783 --> 00:42:05,085 Did we invent God... 862 00:42:05,087 --> 00:42:08,621 or did God invent us? 863 00:42:08,623 --> 00:42:12,224 Our expeditions into the depths of the human mind 864 00:42:12,226 --> 00:42:15,560 are revealing that both ideas may be correct, 865 00:42:15,562 --> 00:42:19,997 because God is inseparable from the way we see the world. 866 00:42:19,999 --> 00:42:22,098 The search for divine truth 867 00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,134 may now turn us away from the Heavens 868 00:42:25,136 --> 00:42:26,836 and towards the self, 869 00:42:26,838 --> 00:42:31,740 where God is woven into every fiber of our being, 870 00:42:31,742 --> 00:42:34,242 and our belief could be 871 00:42:34,244 --> 00:42:37,746 the very thing that makes us human. 872 00:42:37,771 --> 00:42:41,771 == sync, corrected by elderman ==68802

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