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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,190 --> 00:00:05,068 BONNIE: Cocaine is being produced at greater quantities than ever. 2 00:00:11,407 --> 00:00:15,161 JEREMY: Invisibles are the future of the cocaine trade. 3 00:00:16,829 --> 00:00:19,332 They don't want to gold plated Uzi. 4 00:00:19,332 --> 00:00:23,044 They don't want to touch a kilo of cocaine. 5 00:00:23,044 --> 00:00:28,049 They've realized their best protection, is just not being on anyone's radar at all. 6 00:00:41,229 --> 00:00:47,110 PETER: Don Berna is without a doubt the world's most feared, dangerous, 7 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:51,364 and influential narco trafficker that you've never heard of. 8 00:00:52,365 --> 00:00:54,284 DEREK: Don Bernardo. Den Berna. 9 00:00:54,284 --> 00:00:57,620 Diego Murillio. All the same character. 10 00:00:57,620 --> 00:01:00,748 PETER: He operated in the shadows. 11 00:01:00,748 --> 00:01:06,588 DEREK: Tremendous power, tremendous influence, tremendous amount of violence. 12 00:01:06,588 --> 00:01:10,925 PETER: He knew where all the bodies were buried, but he didn't talk about it. 13 00:01:10,925 --> 00:01:13,177 DEREK: He's like the ultimate crime boss. 14 00:01:21,019 --> 00:01:23,396 PETER: It was a very very tense period. 15 00:01:24,355 --> 00:01:27,775 We were completely jacked up on adrenalin. 16 00:01:27,775 --> 00:01:31,738 From flash to bang, it was a question of hours. 17 00:01:31,738 --> 00:01:36,367 It was one of those once in a lifetime experiences. 18 00:01:36,367 --> 00:01:39,954 Flashes of what happened still haunt us all. 19 00:01:41,539 --> 00:01:43,333 JAY: Failure was not an option. 20 00:02:01,684 --> 00:02:05,897 DEREK: It was a fascinating story because, it was a two kilo deal in New York City 21 00:02:05,897 --> 00:02:10,443 that led to the identification of this massive Colombian organization. 22 00:02:12,779 --> 00:02:16,616 In the DEA, we don't go after users of drugs, we don't go after distributors of drugs, 23 00:02:16,616 --> 00:02:19,035 we go after the network. 24 00:02:19,035 --> 00:02:20,703 And John Barry had that mentality. 25 00:02:24,874 --> 00:02:27,126 JOHN: I was a New York City detective assigned 26 00:02:27,126 --> 00:02:30,380 to the Manhattan North Narcotics Major Case Unit. 27 00:02:34,133 --> 00:02:38,888 Back in the day in this area, a lot of cocaine. 28 00:02:38,888 --> 00:02:43,351 In the early 2000s, Washington Heights was a very busy drug area. 29 00:02:46,771 --> 00:02:51,234 The further North you went, the more stash houses these guys would use. 30 00:02:51,234 --> 00:02:54,278 They'd try to get to a more quieter area to put their stash houses 31 00:02:54,278 --> 00:02:55,446 so they don't get robbed. 32 00:03:01,494 --> 00:03:06,916 My specialty in the early 2000s was wire taps and confidential informants. 33 00:03:10,211 --> 00:03:13,881 We had information that this guy was a major trafficker. 34 00:03:13,881 --> 00:03:15,883 He had connections outside the New York area. 35 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:22,223 JOHN: Yeah, we could call him Eduardo is fine. Yeah. 36 00:03:25,226 --> 00:03:28,896 Got a court authorized wiretap on his phone. 37 00:03:28,896 --> 00:03:31,023 We then began listening to his phone. 38 00:03:32,442 --> 00:03:35,611 We learned that Eduardo had a shipment of cocaine that had just arrived. 39 00:03:35,611 --> 00:03:38,656 He was sitting on it in an apartment in Washington Heights. 40 00:03:38,656 --> 00:03:41,075 There was nothing that stood out about the conversation, 41 00:03:41,075 --> 00:03:44,203 just other than him detailing that the buyer was to come 42 00:03:44,203 --> 00:03:46,414 to the second floor of the building. 43 00:03:48,374 --> 00:03:51,502 We set up surveillance at that location and we waited for the customer to come 44 00:03:51,502 --> 00:03:52,628 and pick up those two kilos. 45 00:03:56,048 --> 00:04:01,345 So the buyer was parked right over here where this black car is. 46 00:04:01,345 --> 00:04:03,806 Parked his car, he exited his car. 47 00:04:03,806 --> 00:04:07,560 He walked over here up the sidewalk and into the building. 48 00:04:11,939 --> 00:04:16,611 He was there a short time and then he exited the building carrying a bag. 49 00:04:16,611 --> 00:04:20,490 Came back the same direction, back into his car, 50 00:04:20,490 --> 00:04:23,117 which I was across the street observing all this stuff. 51 00:04:23,117 --> 00:04:24,911 I was calling it out to the field team what I was seeing. 52 00:04:24,911 --> 00:04:32,752 (sirens) (radio chatter) 53 00:04:32,752 --> 00:04:35,588 We orchestrated a car stop of that vehicle where we recovered 54 00:04:35,588 --> 00:04:38,841 two kilos of cocaine and arrested the driver. 55 00:04:38,841 --> 00:04:41,761 This type of operation was an everyday operation 56 00:04:41,761 --> 00:04:44,055 that we did as part of a major case team. 57 00:04:48,017 --> 00:04:52,313 So initially we believed it was just any other arrest for the day. 58 00:04:52,313 --> 00:04:56,943 DEREK: John Barry, he understood that street deals if focused 59 00:04:56,943 --> 00:04:59,320 and investigated properly 60 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,532 can lead to the highest level of the organization. 61 00:05:04,867 --> 00:05:06,702 JOHN: Eduardo was a tough cookie. 62 00:05:06,702 --> 00:05:10,248 He was difficult. 63 00:05:10,248 --> 00:05:16,087 It took some time to get him to come around and tell us everything. 64 00:05:16,087 --> 00:05:19,006 We finally built a rapport with him where he trusted us 65 00:05:19,006 --> 00:05:23,511 and he gave us all that information, and basically spilled his guts. 66 00:05:25,721 --> 00:05:29,350 So Eduardo's mother was Dominican, his father was German. 67 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:33,980 Late 60s, early 70s he came to the US and he joined the army. 68 00:05:33,980 --> 00:05:37,817 He was in Vietnam in the US Military. 69 00:05:37,817 --> 00:05:41,571 DEREK: He was a pilot, and this particular guy wound up flying loads 70 00:05:41,571 --> 00:05:46,742 for the big Colombian kingpins Pablo Escobar and others. 71 00:05:46,742 --> 00:05:49,662 JOHN: We were interested in who was the big people in Colombia that were bringing 72 00:05:49,662 --> 00:05:52,540 the drugs into the US. 73 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:54,917 He mentioned a person named Don Berna. 74 00:05:57,795 --> 00:06:02,675 I had no idea who Don Berna was, I had never heard of him before. 75 00:06:02,675 --> 00:06:08,097 But he told me that he was a very significant trafficker in Colombia, 76 00:06:08,097 --> 00:06:11,684 and was part of the reason that Pablo Escobar was killed. 77 00:06:15,855 --> 00:06:19,191 Eduardo's stories seemed a little farfetched. 78 00:06:19,191 --> 00:06:23,779 From a guy that I arrested on a two kilo deal in Washington Heights, 79 00:06:23,779 --> 00:06:28,659 but the more I talked to him we figured out that his story was true. 80 00:06:29,619 --> 00:06:35,207 I immediately went back to the DEA office and started to do research, 81 00:06:35,207 --> 00:06:39,086 because he didn't know his real name, but I quickly learned 82 00:06:39,086 --> 00:06:42,840 that Diego Fernando Murillo Bejarano, was Don Berna. 83 00:06:46,802 --> 00:06:50,473 JEREMY: Of course, most people had never heard of Don Berna 84 00:06:50,473 --> 00:06:54,393 JEREMY: because for many years Don Berna was an invisible. 85 00:06:57,688 --> 00:07:03,527 DEREK: He was your traditional transnational organized crime boss. 86 00:07:03,527 --> 00:07:09,825 Tremendous power, tremendous influence, very very difficult to get near, 87 00:07:09,825 --> 00:07:12,119 very difficult to infiltrate. 88 00:07:13,704 --> 00:07:15,790 JOHN: He had the Colombian Government protecting him. 89 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:19,543 The United States, no matter how much we asked, we couldn't get anywhere. 90 00:07:19,543 --> 00:07:21,629 He was completely untouchable. 91 00:07:23,798 --> 00:07:26,759 DEREK: John Barry was like a pit bull. 92 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:30,721 He told me early on that he was going to get an indictment on Don Berna 93 00:07:30,721 --> 00:07:33,099 and he always delivered. 94 00:07:33,099 --> 00:07:37,645 He was one of the best investigators that I've ever worked with. 95 00:07:37,645 --> 00:07:41,816 JOHN: I was in shock that I took a guy from the streets of Washington Heights 96 00:07:41,816 --> 00:07:45,236 who gave me information on a kingpin like Don Berna in Colombia. 97 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,906 He was a huge fish. 98 00:07:48,906 --> 00:07:52,952 One of the worst of the worst, that's ever been on DEAs radar. 99 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:59,333 Eduardo turned me on to Don Berna, and once I latch on I don't let go. 100 00:08:07,383 --> 00:08:09,885 PETER: Medellin is deceptively beautiful. 101 00:08:09,885 --> 00:08:12,513 It really is the land of eternal spring. 102 00:08:18,978 --> 00:08:25,317 Tragically, bubbling under that relatively serene surface is an incredibly violent, 103 00:08:25,317 --> 00:08:27,862 terrorist and narco trafficking movement. 104 00:08:39,874 --> 00:08:42,626 JEREMY: Don Berna, he wasn't from Medellin. 105 00:08:42,626 --> 00:08:45,963 He was from Tulua, on the other side of the country by the Pacific Coast. 106 00:08:45,963 --> 00:08:51,927 But he comes here and started working the lowest rung in the drug business, 107 00:08:51,927 --> 00:08:58,142 for an important element in the Medellin Cartel known as the Galeano Clan, 108 00:08:58,142 --> 00:09:00,770 led by Fernanda Galeano. 109 00:09:02,271 --> 00:09:06,942 Don Berna attracted the attention of his boss, 110 00:09:06,942 --> 00:09:13,908 when a guerilla group tried to extort from him, and there was a fight. 111 00:09:16,494 --> 00:09:22,917 Berna in a shootout took up to 17 bullets and lost his leg. 112 00:09:22,917 --> 00:09:26,337 JOHN: He also lost partial movement in his face, 113 00:09:26,337 --> 00:09:28,923 and the reason that you always see him in all his pictures 114 00:09:28,923 --> 00:09:31,926 with that towel on his shoulder is because he drools, 115 00:09:31,926 --> 00:09:34,345 so he has to constantly wipe his mouth. 116 00:09:36,597 --> 00:09:43,521 There's a famous story that even after him being shot, he got up with guns a‐blazing, 117 00:09:43,521 --> 00:09:45,731 and killed the guys that shot him. 118 00:09:51,278 --> 00:09:55,783 It was one of the incidents that made him who he is, 119 00:09:55,783 --> 00:09:58,619 and how he rose to power and why people feared him. 120 00:10:00,371 --> 00:10:05,084 JEREMY: His reward was to be made head of security for the Galeano Clan. 121 00:10:05,084 --> 00:10:08,879 suddenly he became a significant player in the Medellin Cartel. 122 00:10:21,016 --> 00:10:23,978 JEREMY: Pablo Escobar believed that certain drug traffickers 123 00:10:23,978 --> 00:10:27,773 in the Medellin Cartel were not paying him his dues. 124 00:10:29,316 --> 00:10:32,069 Don Berna's boss, Fernando Galeano, 125 00:10:32,069 --> 00:10:38,784 was summoned to the prison and killed in the prison, 126 00:10:38,784 --> 00:10:43,706 and this detonated a civil war within the Medellin Cartel. 127 00:10:45,666 --> 00:10:48,586 And Don Berna was the key element in that civil war. 128 00:10:56,218 --> 00:11:00,181 By this point everybody wanted Escobar dead 129 00:11:00,181 --> 00:11:03,475 and no one really cared how that was achieved. 130 00:11:04,018 --> 00:11:06,437 And so the Pepes were formed. 131 00:11:06,437 --> 00:11:12,484 People persecuted by Pablo Escobar, and this became a vigilante group dedicated 132 00:11:12,484 --> 00:11:14,695 to bringing down Escobar. 133 00:11:14,695 --> 00:11:17,781 And as soon as he left The Cathedral, he fled the prison, 134 00:11:17,781 --> 00:11:19,867 they were all over him. 135 00:11:24,288 --> 00:11:28,334 Don Berna became the heart, the key element in the Pepes, 136 00:11:28,334 --> 00:11:31,086 that then took on Pablo Escobar. 137 00:11:33,547 --> 00:11:39,094 PETER: Pablo Escobar targeted well known politicians, blew up police stations, 138 00:11:39,094 --> 00:11:43,015 blew up apartments, blew up social clubs frequented by Colombia's elite. 139 00:12:04,995 --> 00:12:09,959 JEREMY: Don Berna turned Pablo Escobar's tactics against him. 140 00:12:13,128 --> 00:12:18,801 The Pepes began to hit his support structure, they hit his lawyers, 141 00:12:18,801 --> 00:12:25,015 they hit his accountants, they hit his friends, and on the day he was killed, 142 00:12:25,015 --> 00:12:27,059 he had just one bodyguard with him. 143 00:12:33,190 --> 00:12:35,609 There are many different theories, 144 00:12:35,609 --> 00:12:41,073 as to how Pablo Escobar was killed and by who. 145 00:12:41,073 --> 00:12:45,160 Don Berna's version is the Pepes were there first. 146 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,414 And it was his brother alias Semilla, 147 00:12:48,414 --> 00:12:52,084 who actually shot Escobar as he ran across the roof. 148 00:13:03,095 --> 00:13:07,808 Don Berna was the guy that sought to collect up all the different elements 149 00:13:07,808 --> 00:13:11,520 of the Medellin Cartel, and keep them together. 150 00:13:13,939 --> 00:13:19,236 He was able to create an extraordinarily sophisticated criminal syndicate, 151 00:13:19,236 --> 00:13:21,155 and an innovative one. 152 00:13:22,740 --> 00:13:26,076 He learnt from Escobar's mistakes. 153 00:13:26,076 --> 00:13:30,748 The first was 'Don't be visible.' Live in the shadows. 154 00:13:32,291 --> 00:13:37,588 The second, 'Do not take on the state.' Don't attract attention. 155 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:43,761 PETER: Don Berna realized that he's not a particularly charismatic person, 156 00:13:43,761 --> 00:13:48,432 but he could use that lack of charisma to remain anonymous. 157 00:13:48,432 --> 00:13:53,604 And he used bribes much more often than he used bullets. 158 00:13:55,355 --> 00:14:01,403 And he attempted to use violence in a much more selective, surgical way, 159 00:14:01,403 --> 00:14:03,280 then Pablo Escobar did. 160 00:14:04,823 --> 00:14:08,827 JEREMY: He had powerful friends in the police and in the political world, 161 00:14:08,827 --> 00:14:12,706 who were prepared to support him against other criminal elements. 162 00:14:12,706 --> 00:14:16,251 So this helps him to cement his power. 163 00:14:18,754 --> 00:14:22,257 JAY: The amount of drugs that he was responsible for moving, 164 00:14:22,257 --> 00:14:28,639 we are speaking of tens of thousands of kilograms a month. 165 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:31,141 Not a year, a month. 166 00:14:32,893 --> 00:14:38,482 The numbers that he ultimately had oversight of was staggering. 167 00:14:50,786 --> 00:14:54,498 JOHN: In 2002, DEA put him on the CPOT list, 168 00:14:54,498 --> 00:14:58,794 which identified him as one of the largest traffickers in the world, 169 00:14:58,794 --> 00:15:01,755 and they also put him on the OFAC list. 170 00:15:01,755 --> 00:15:04,341 Which means he couldn't conduct any financial transactions through 171 00:15:04,341 --> 00:15:06,176 the world, anything in his name. 172 00:15:07,678 --> 00:15:10,389 JAY: So he's at the top of that target list. 173 00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:13,475 He's a designated foreign terrorist. 174 00:15:13,475 --> 00:15:17,771 A major, significant narcotics trafficker, 175 00:15:17,771 --> 00:15:20,941 and then he's designated by Treasury as a King Pin. 176 00:15:20,941 --> 00:15:22,151 That's the trifecta. 177 00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:24,570 It doesn't get any bigger. 178 00:15:24,570 --> 00:15:28,240 They don't get any badder than that. 179 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,784 JOHN: Don Berna came up from the bottom. 180 00:15:30,784 --> 00:15:34,371 He was untouchable for many many many years. 181 00:15:34,371 --> 00:15:40,919 There was no question in my mind Don Berna was the biggest target in Colombia, 182 00:15:40,919 --> 00:15:44,256 and I wanted to make that case that was going to bring him down. 183 00:15:53,682 --> 00:15:59,730 JEREMY: Colombia's been in the grip of a civil conflict for the last 50 years. 184 00:15:59,730 --> 00:16:03,775 We've got the left‐wing guerillas, right wing paramilitaries, 185 00:16:03,775 --> 00:16:08,238 but they've all been fed by drug trafficking, 186 00:16:08,238 --> 00:16:10,616 and cocaine has been the fuel on the fire. 187 00:16:13,785 --> 00:16:15,996 DEREK: I don't know what this paramilitary stuff means. 188 00:16:15,996 --> 00:16:18,957 I guess at first they had a certain ideology, 189 00:16:18,957 --> 00:16:21,793 but that fell apart when they realized how much money 190 00:16:21,793 --> 00:16:23,378 they can make from the drug business. 191 00:16:34,932 --> 00:16:39,478 PETER: Don Berna is by no stretch of the imagination an ideologue. 192 00:16:39,478 --> 00:16:42,564 He was a practical person, very pragmatic, 193 00:16:42,564 --> 00:16:47,611 so his creating the AUC was more of a practical consideration, 194 00:16:47,611 --> 00:16:50,822 in order to consolidate power and control 195 00:16:50,822 --> 00:16:54,159 over the narco trafficking trade in Colombia. 196 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:58,247 Not because he had some firm belief in right wing political ideology. 197 00:16:58,247 --> 00:17:02,334 (speaking Spanish) 198 00:17:02,334 --> 00:17:07,464 JAY: Under Don Berna the AUC was out there committing massacres. 199 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,844 Literally crimes against humanity. 200 00:17:13,971 --> 00:17:17,808 It is hard to get your head around how much destruction 201 00:17:17,808 --> 00:17:22,145 and violence and mayhem this guy has caused. 202 00:17:25,565 --> 00:17:27,359 JOHN: These guys were all traffickers, 203 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:33,490 they just hid behind the AUC to protect themselves from the government. 204 00:17:33,490 --> 00:17:37,077 The AUC controlled every route that went to the coast, 205 00:17:37,077 --> 00:17:40,163 and any drug trafficker that wanted to move cocaine 206 00:17:40,163 --> 00:17:43,584 through that zone had to pay a tax. 207 00:17:43,584 --> 00:17:48,005 And there was no way to get it out of Colombia without going through one of their blocks. 208 00:17:48,005 --> 00:17:53,302 They had a staggering percentage of the entire Colombian production 209 00:17:53,302 --> 00:17:58,807 and staggering percentage of the amount of cocaine that flowed to the United States. 210 00:17:58,807 --> 00:18:02,144 PETER: Colombia was at the risk of becoming a narco state. 211 00:18:02,144 --> 00:18:04,479 It was a very very dicey situation. 212 00:18:08,108 --> 00:18:13,739 GEORGE W BUSH: Drugs attack everything, that is the best about this country. 213 00:18:13,739 --> 00:18:15,866 And I intend to do something about them. 214 00:18:15,866 --> 00:18:21,371 We're putting the fight against drugs in the center of our national agenda. 215 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:39,890 PETER: The Justice and Peace law of Colombia was created in order to convince 216 00:18:39,890 --> 00:18:44,811 the members of the AUC, to come in out of the jungle, 217 00:18:44,811 --> 00:18:48,357 to lay down their arms, to turn themselves in, 218 00:18:48,357 --> 00:18:51,610 and to re‐enter Colombian society. 219 00:18:53,904 --> 00:18:59,993 President Uribe gave his word that if the AUC members did not commit 220 00:18:59,993 --> 00:19:05,248 any more acts of crime, they would serve out their relatively short sentences 221 00:19:05,248 --> 00:19:08,877 in Colombia and not be extradited to the United States. 222 00:19:12,631 --> 00:19:16,051 JEREMY: Don Berna made a mistake, he came out of the shadows. 223 00:19:24,267 --> 00:19:29,189 As part of a paramilitary peace process he suddenly became visible. 224 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:35,821 From that moment things began to go wrong for Berna. 225 00:19:39,241 --> 00:19:43,704 The AUC enters peace talks with the government. 226 00:19:43,704 --> 00:19:49,918 It's a long drawn out peace process from 2003 to 2006. 227 00:19:49,918 --> 00:19:54,256 Don Berna was one of the promoters of the peace process with the government, 228 00:19:54,256 --> 00:19:56,717 and indeed the first paramilitary unit 229 00:19:56,717 --> 00:19:59,970 that demobilized was one of Don Berna's. 230 00:19:59,970 --> 00:20:02,097 Why did he do this? 231 00:20:02,097 --> 00:20:05,559 He obviously felt that he was going to get the golden parachute. 232 00:20:08,145 --> 00:20:12,107 The golden parachute that the paramilitaries were looking for was, 233 00:20:12,107 --> 00:20:15,694 one, no jail time, two, no extradition, 234 00:20:15,694 --> 00:20:17,320 and three, 'Can we keep some of our money?' 235 00:20:26,496 --> 00:20:29,958 JAY: There's only four things you had to do in order to get 236 00:20:29,958 --> 00:20:34,254 all the entitlements that the Justice and Peace offered. 237 00:20:34,254 --> 00:20:38,592 You had to voluntarily law down your weapons, you had to admit to your wrongdoings, 238 00:20:38,592 --> 00:20:43,305 you had to make reparations to the victims, give back the property, 239 00:20:43,305 --> 00:20:48,727 and ultimately you had to stop being engaged in criminal activity. 240 00:20:48,727 --> 00:20:54,441 You do those four things and you will serve no more than eight years in prison, 241 00:20:54,441 --> 00:20:56,526 no matter what you did. 242 00:20:56,526 --> 00:20:58,945 And then you'll live happily ever after. 243 00:20:58,945 --> 00:21:02,073 It's all you had to do. The ultimate sweetheart deal, right? 244 00:21:05,869 --> 00:21:09,790 PETER: they were not forced to spend time in prison, they were forced to spend time 245 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:16,797 in fairly lax essentially work camps of sorts, spread throughout Colombia. 246 00:21:16,797 --> 00:21:21,051 DEREK: The demobilization of the AUC to me is just a big joke. 247 00:21:21,051 --> 00:21:24,262 Bottom line is he went to some 'prison', which was really not a prison. 248 00:21:26,556 --> 00:21:29,267 He got to hang out with the beautiful women and he got the drinks 249 00:21:29,267 --> 00:21:31,603 and he had his phones, he had his communications. 250 00:21:31,603 --> 00:21:33,146 He continued to do his business. 251 00:21:33,146 --> 00:21:35,440 But he was "in prison" in Colombia. 252 00:21:36,858 --> 00:21:40,695 JAY: It is the ultimate deal. And guess what? 253 00:21:40,695 --> 00:21:45,742 Don Berna and his brethren, they literally couldn't stop being criminals. 254 00:21:47,077 --> 00:21:51,289 They'd been terrorists and they've been drug traffickers so long in their life, 255 00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:54,042 that when they have a good deal, all they're thinking of is 256 00:21:54,042 --> 00:21:57,212 how they can game the system. 257 00:21:57,212 --> 00:22:02,259 They basically demobilized a percentage of their membership, 258 00:22:02,259 --> 00:22:04,761 and they left their best drug traffickers 259 00:22:04,761 --> 00:22:11,601 and their best fighters out in the field, to continue operating. 260 00:22:11,601 --> 00:22:16,773 PETER: Don Berna in particular continued massive narco trafficking. 261 00:22:16,773 --> 00:22:23,113 From his relatively serene camp he was able to maintain operational control, 262 00:22:23,113 --> 00:22:26,616 and as he had done his entire career, he operated in the shadows. 263 00:22:35,125 --> 00:22:42,132 JOHN: In October of 2003, it was the initial indictment on Don Berna. 264 00:22:44,843 --> 00:22:48,430 Once the peace and justice was signed in 2005 265 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:52,851 I thought the likelihood of us getting him was diminished greatly. 266 00:22:54,728 --> 00:22:59,190 But at that point I did take a step back and think about it and say to myself, 267 00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:01,818 'These guys can't stay out of trouble.' 268 00:23:01,818 --> 00:23:04,738 And it was only a matter of time before they'd slip up. 269 00:23:11,244 --> 00:23:15,165 JAY: Don Berna self‐surrendered, and it was all about maintaining that 270 00:23:15,165 --> 00:23:20,795 sweetheart deal and maintaining reigns on his empire. 271 00:23:23,757 --> 00:23:25,717 And what does he do? 272 00:23:25,717 --> 00:23:32,015 While he's in captivity he ordered the murder, of a politician, 273 00:23:32,015 --> 00:23:34,726 the politician's wife and their driver. 274 00:23:37,854 --> 00:23:42,817 JOHN: It was a turning point, and the Colombian government started to turn up the heat, 275 00:23:42,817 --> 00:23:44,235 and he felt it. 276 00:23:46,196 --> 00:23:50,116 JAY: And that's when they had him removed into a real prison. 277 00:23:52,202 --> 00:23:55,789 JEREMY: The rest of the paramilitary leaders went into prison soon afterwards, 278 00:23:55,789 --> 00:24:01,378 but this is where we see, Don Berna's power beginning to diminish. 279 00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:06,091 (speaking Spanish) 280 00:24:06,091 --> 00:24:10,136 PETER: President Uribe was now under considerable political pressure 281 00:24:10,136 --> 00:24:12,681 to extradite Don Berna. 282 00:24:12,681 --> 00:24:16,851 and the rest of the AUC leadership to the United States to face justice there. 283 00:24:18,812 --> 00:24:21,439 DEREK: In the DEA, in the US attorney's office, 284 00:24:21,439 --> 00:24:24,192 we believe very strongly in extradition. 285 00:24:24,192 --> 00:24:27,696 We believe in the rule of law, and we believe in developing evidence 286 00:24:27,696 --> 00:24:30,532 against these kingpins, and we want them to face justice in America. 287 00:24:33,868 --> 00:24:37,998 PETER: The members of the AUC, like Pablo Escobar decades before, 288 00:24:37,998 --> 00:24:42,919 understood that if they were extradited, tried, convicted, 289 00:24:42,919 --> 00:24:47,590 sentenced and incarcerated in the United States for their crimes, 290 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:49,634 that was end of the game for them. 291 00:24:52,012 --> 00:24:53,596 DEREK: They can't corrupt the officials, 292 00:24:53,596 --> 00:24:56,141 they can't get the girls, they can't get the booze, 293 00:24:56,141 --> 00:24:58,143 they can't run their business. 294 00:24:58,143 --> 00:25:00,937 So they don't want to come to America. 295 00:25:00,937 --> 00:25:04,357 PETER: Many of them are dead serious when they say, 296 00:25:04,357 --> 00:25:09,654 "Better a grave in Colombia than a jail cell in the United States." 297 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:25,045 JOHN: Things began to change in 2007 when other traffickers wanted 298 00:25:25,045 --> 00:25:28,715 to come in and surrender to the United States. 299 00:25:30,258 --> 00:25:37,098 We brought one of those witnesses in who had a wealth of information on Don Berna. 300 00:25:37,098 --> 00:25:41,394 Really turned up the heat, because now we can start to send leads and information 301 00:25:41,394 --> 00:25:43,980 down to Colombia that they didn't even know about. 302 00:25:45,023 --> 00:25:49,194 JAY: There was overwhelming proof that was obtained by DEA 303 00:25:49,194 --> 00:25:53,740 and shared with the Colombian government, of the AUC leaders 304 00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:57,494 reconstituting themselves, and retooling themselves into 305 00:25:57,494 --> 00:26:02,332 a formidable transnational criminal network from behind bars in prison. 306 00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:08,963 This new organization was going to be as violent and as dangerous and cause 307 00:26:08,963 --> 00:26:12,967 as much mayhem as the former AUC. 308 00:26:12,967 --> 00:26:17,138 And the AUC leaders were controlling that from prison. 309 00:26:17,138 --> 00:26:21,559 They were directing it, they were devising it, they were scheming about it. 310 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:27,023 You've now created a new generation of criminals that are the next level. 311 00:26:28,608 --> 00:26:31,820 It was the ultimate betrayal by the AUC. 312 00:26:36,741 --> 00:26:41,162 PETER: I met with President Alvaro Uribe on almost a weekly basis, 313 00:26:41,162 --> 00:26:46,292 and he became increasingly frustrated. 314 00:26:46,292 --> 00:26:48,962 JOHN: I think the president of Colombia finally got fed up 315 00:26:48,962 --> 00:26:51,339 with these guys embarrassing him. 316 00:26:51,339 --> 00:26:54,884 They continued to traffic drugs, people were killed, 317 00:26:54,884 --> 00:26:58,388 and I think he just finally said "Enough is enough." 318 00:27:00,181 --> 00:27:04,102 The president in one fell swoop signed the extradition orders, 319 00:27:04,102 --> 00:27:07,188 of the fourteen of the highest ranking AUC members 320 00:27:07,188 --> 00:27:10,233 that had continued to engage in criminal activity. 321 00:27:14,237 --> 00:27:17,907 JAY: My first thought would be "No, no they're not. 322 00:27:17,907 --> 00:27:20,535 This couldn't really be happening now." 323 00:27:20,535 --> 00:27:26,040 There's never been that many criminals, kingpin violators, 324 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,128 and terrorists that have been extradited at the exact same time. 325 00:27:32,505 --> 00:27:36,718 PETER: Meetings regarding extradition were incredibly sensitive conversations 326 00:27:36,718 --> 00:27:43,099 that could, quite literally impact democracy in Colombia. 327 00:27:43,099 --> 00:27:46,936 Because if word got out, there was great worry about violence. 328 00:27:48,521 --> 00:27:52,108 JAY: The moment that the AUC leaderships learned that they're about 329 00:27:52,108 --> 00:27:58,781 to be extradited, they will put out that order to the tens of thousands 330 00:27:58,781 --> 00:28:03,161 of armed individuals that were working for them, 331 00:28:03,161 --> 00:28:06,080 to just commit mayhem in Colombia. 332 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,833 (speaking in Spanish) 333 00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:14,631 PETER: There was no margin for error whatsoever, legally and operationally. 334 00:28:14,631 --> 00:28:17,634 We needed to make sure that we had everything logistically in order 335 00:28:17,634 --> 00:28:20,303 because this was truly a life or death situation. 336 00:28:22,931 --> 00:28:27,060 JOHN: I had a counterpart in Colombia, a DEA agent I worked very closely with 337 00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:31,189 and he had called me and said "Hey, keep this quiet, 338 00:28:31,189 --> 00:28:33,066 there's something going on here. 339 00:28:33,066 --> 00:28:36,110 Something big, I don't know exactly what it is yet, but get ready." 340 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,206 JAY: I distinctly remember Ambassador William Brownfield 341 00:28:48,206 --> 00:28:50,583 the US Ambassador to Colombia. 342 00:28:50,583 --> 00:28:55,672 He looks at me and he said "Can you do this?" 343 00:28:55,672 --> 00:29:00,093 And I looked at him and I said, "I can get the resources and I can do this." 344 00:29:00,093 --> 00:29:01,052 Failure was not an option. 345 00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:18,069 Why did this happen in the dead of night? 346 00:29:18,069 --> 00:29:20,113 We had one shot at this. 347 00:29:20,113 --> 00:29:22,740 We wouldn't get a second shot. 348 00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:26,661 There was a real concern that the defense council would get to the courts 349 00:29:26,661 --> 00:29:29,372 and the courts would impede that through an injunction. 350 00:29:32,625 --> 00:29:37,422 We had prisoners in four different locations in Colombia. 351 00:29:37,422 --> 00:29:42,552 We would have to do this after the courts close, after 6 P. M. 352 00:29:42,552 --> 00:29:46,723 and they'd have to be airborne and out of Colombian airspace 353 00:29:46,723 --> 00:29:49,642 before the courts opened the next morning. 354 00:29:49,642 --> 00:29:53,187 From flash to bang it was a question of hours. 355 00:29:53,187 --> 00:29:57,525 PETER: We were extraordinarily worried about the strong likelihood, 356 00:29:57,525 --> 00:30:01,362 of lethal violence being used in those moments and those hours leading up to 357 00:30:01,362 --> 00:30:04,782 extradition of these highly dangerous individuals. 358 00:30:04,782 --> 00:30:08,536 I cannot emphasize enough how dangerous this operation was. 359 00:30:12,331 --> 00:30:15,877 JAY: I had two separate sets of teams that had to go out 360 00:30:15,877 --> 00:30:22,842 depart from Bogota to the three corners of Colombia, to different prisons. 361 00:30:22,842 --> 00:30:29,390 One on the north coast in Barranquilla, one in Medellin and one closer to Bogota. 362 00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:34,437 And then I had a second team that were actually going to be the physical exports, 363 00:30:34,437 --> 00:30:37,440 from Bogota to the next stop outside of Colombia. 364 00:30:38,816 --> 00:30:41,736 JOHN: Not to my knowledge there's ever been this many people extradited 365 00:30:41,736 --> 00:30:44,739 of this level and this caliber at one time. 366 00:30:44,739 --> 00:30:46,866 It was unprecedented. 367 00:30:46,866 --> 00:30:49,160 You know I alerted my supervisor and you know 368 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,830 the whole New York side was at a buzz. 369 00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:55,458 JAY: Colombia is a very large country. 370 00:30:55,458 --> 00:31:00,004 It is the size of California and Texas combined. 371 00:31:00,004 --> 00:31:06,511 PETER: Keep in mind as well that Bogota sits just under 3,000 meters, 372 00:31:06,511 --> 00:31:09,889 and that is complicated for pilots and small planes. 373 00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:14,393 It is also subject to various changes in the weather 374 00:31:14,393 --> 00:31:16,687 to include freak hailstorms and fog. 375 00:31:37,959 --> 00:31:43,798 JAY: Two of my agents inside UH60 Black Hawk said they could not see 376 00:31:43,798 --> 00:31:48,845 their own hand in front of their face, 377 00:31:48,845 --> 00:31:52,640 and at point the helicopter went vertical. 378 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,356 Now they're not on comms with the pilot, and so all they know is they're feeling 379 00:32:00,356 --> 00:32:03,943 the Gs against them, as this helicopter's going vertical 380 00:32:03,943 --> 00:32:06,863 and all they can think of is they're about to smack into a mountain. 381 00:32:11,617 --> 00:32:14,871 And twice the helicopters had to come back because of weather. 382 00:32:14,871 --> 00:32:19,750 Twice. Pilots basically said, "We're going to get everybody killed if we do this." 383 00:32:21,085 --> 00:32:24,755 And the head of the Colombian squad that was in charge of this mission 384 00:32:24,755 --> 00:32:26,591 is looking at his watch. 385 00:32:26,591 --> 00:32:30,720 My DEA folks, they're looking at their watch, and the clock is ticking. 386 00:32:35,349 --> 00:32:39,896 They were going to commandeer a bunch of police vehicles and drive to the prison. 387 00:32:39,896 --> 00:32:41,230 Seems reasonable. 388 00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:43,941 That choice was aborted. 389 00:32:43,941 --> 00:32:48,654 The decision was if they go to the police, everybody's going to know. 390 00:32:48,654 --> 00:32:50,865 There's going to be no secret. 391 00:32:50,865 --> 00:32:52,825 So what did the head of the Colombian National police 392 00:32:52,825 --> 00:32:55,870 of that special unit decide to do? 393 00:32:55,870 --> 00:32:58,372 They commandeered seven taxis. 394 00:32:58,372 --> 00:33:01,959 They loaded up in seven taxis from the airport, 395 00:33:07,089 --> 00:33:10,009 drove to the Itagui prison. 396 00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:16,349 They do go pick up seven of the most notorious, violent, and powerful criminals, 397 00:33:16,349 --> 00:33:17,975 that the world knows. 398 00:33:17,975 --> 00:33:19,560 And now they're driving them back. 399 00:33:24,148 --> 00:33:29,528 I still don't know what was the reaction to the governor of that prison 400 00:33:29,528 --> 00:33:34,408 when, you know, normally it would be a UH60, 20 million, you know, 401 00:33:34,408 --> 00:33:37,328 $15 million dollar Black Hawk waiting, 402 00:33:37,328 --> 00:33:41,916 and he goes out and he sees, seven Colombian yellow taxis. 403 00:33:57,265 --> 00:34:00,977 The warden said, "I'm not releasing this person." 404 00:34:00,977 --> 00:34:04,939 "I don't care what paperwork you have." 405 00:34:04,939 --> 00:34:07,984 "At this hour I wasn't notified of this. 406 00:34:07,984 --> 00:34:12,321 I am not losing my job." 407 00:34:12,321 --> 00:34:14,949 And so a phone call needed to be made. 408 00:34:14,949 --> 00:34:19,120 Whether it was the president, this could be urban legend 409 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,124 but the officer in charge handed a phone over to the warden 410 00:34:23,124 --> 00:34:26,335 and said, "There's somebody on the phone that would like to speak to you." 411 00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:33,050 The conversation went "Yes Mr. President. 412 00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:35,219 Immediately Mr. President. Yes sir. 413 00:34:35,219 --> 00:34:37,054 Thank you, Mr. President." 414 00:34:37,054 --> 00:34:38,639 "Good night Mr. President." 415 00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:53,112 Macaco spent his entire career and his entire life committing massacres. 416 00:34:53,112 --> 00:34:57,700 What can he only be thinking in the middle of the night being pulled out of prison 417 00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:59,702 is going to happen? 418 00:34:59,702 --> 00:35:01,996 He was white as a sheet. 419 00:35:01,996 --> 00:35:06,083 He had the fear of God in his eyes. 420 00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:13,257 He gets to the helicopter, he sees, my folks there, he looks up and he says, 421 00:35:13,257 --> 00:35:15,843 "Are you guys DEA?" 422 00:35:15,843 --> 00:35:18,304 And they go "Yeah we are." 423 00:35:18,304 --> 00:35:23,100 And all of a sudden, he didn't say a word, but a smile comes on his face. 424 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,561 Blood is rushing back to his face. 425 00:35:25,561 --> 00:35:29,482 He probably thought he was going to get what he used to give. 426 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:43,120 JOHN: Don Berna was deathly afraid of extradition to the United States. 427 00:35:50,836 --> 00:35:54,799 Don Berna more than anybody else had basically given up. 428 00:36:23,494 --> 00:36:30,376 JAY: They were being woken up in the middle of the night without any advanced warning. 429 00:36:30,376 --> 00:36:37,758 PETER: As they were being transported to Bogota their fear morphed into anger. 430 00:36:37,758 --> 00:36:44,140 One individual actually looked at his captors and said, "I've seen your faces." 431 00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:50,980 "Each and every one of you are dead men, and so are your families." 432 00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:55,860 JAY: When everybody had arrived at five o'clock or so in the morning 433 00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:56,652 I headed down. 434 00:37:00,614 --> 00:37:06,370 That moment is indelibly etched in my mind. 435 00:37:06,370 --> 00:37:10,291 Fourteen criminals located at one place about to be flown out 436 00:37:10,291 --> 00:37:11,751 on a single extradition mission. 437 00:37:15,713 --> 00:37:18,716 PETER: It was chilling because these were individuals 438 00:37:18,716 --> 00:37:22,428 who were entirely capable of ordering their lieutenants, 439 00:37:22,428 --> 00:37:27,099 their sicarios, their henchmen and their assassins to actually kill 440 00:37:27,099 --> 00:37:32,229 not only in Colombia but in the United States. 441 00:37:32,229 --> 00:37:38,027 I would be lying if I said we all weren't a bit nervous. 442 00:37:38,027 --> 00:37:39,779 It was a very, very tense period. 443 00:37:44,116 --> 00:37:49,413 JAY: Because I have lived the Don Berna life for two years since I arrived in Colombia, 444 00:37:49,413 --> 00:37:50,831 I knew exactly what he looked like. 445 00:37:54,043 --> 00:37:56,378 He had no fight left in him. 446 00:37:56,378 --> 00:37:59,965 He knew it was the end of the road. 447 00:37:59,965 --> 00:38:05,763 You had Don Berna, Macaco, Mancuso, Jorge Cuarenta 448 00:38:05,763 --> 00:38:08,849 and then Giraldo Serna. 449 00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:16,023 You literally had the entire board of directors of the AUC at the DEA hangar 450 00:38:16,023 --> 00:38:18,150 in Bogota Colombia. 451 00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:22,112 There has not been to this day an extradition mission, 452 00:38:22,112 --> 00:38:28,869 that's moved so many kingpins and terrorists at one time from the Americas 453 00:38:28,869 --> 00:38:30,913 to the United States. Never. 454 00:38:35,376 --> 00:38:38,420 JOHN: The first question I asked obviously was "Can I get down there? 455 00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:41,173 I want to fly on the aircraft back with him." 456 00:38:41,173 --> 00:38:45,094 And the answer was "Absolutely not." 457 00:38:45,094 --> 00:38:48,055 "This is a super secret thing going on in Colombia. 458 00:38:48,055 --> 00:38:49,890 We've got to move quickly and get him out of the country." 459 00:38:54,687 --> 00:39:00,067 JAY: Until that ATR got out of Colombian airspace and was over the Caribbean Sea, 460 00:39:00,067 --> 00:39:02,069 I was still holding my breath. 461 00:39:07,032 --> 00:39:10,661 That is the real con air flight. 462 00:39:10,661 --> 00:39:14,832 Nicholas Cage has nothing on that mission. 463 00:39:14,832 --> 00:39:20,045 JEREMY: Macaco, Don Berna, the top leaders of the AUC are extradited 464 00:39:20,045 --> 00:39:21,714 to the United States. 465 00:39:21,714 --> 00:39:23,924 It's a game changing moment in the drug world. 466 00:39:23,924 --> 00:39:26,719 Suddenly the big dogs are all gone. 467 00:39:28,387 --> 00:39:31,557 JAY: We fly everybody to Guantanamo Bay 468 00:39:31,557 --> 00:39:34,310 and Don Berna gets his own Lear Jet to New York. 469 00:39:43,944 --> 00:39:48,574 JOHN: It was an unbelievable feeling when that door opened, 470 00:39:48,574 --> 00:39:55,122 the agent walked off and then right behind him was Don Berna. 471 00:39:55,122 --> 00:39:58,918 He looked like a broken man. 472 00:39:58,918 --> 00:40:01,545 I told him my name was John Barry, he knew who I was. 473 00:40:04,131 --> 00:40:07,092 Homeland Security was there to do the paperwork 474 00:40:07,092 --> 00:40:09,053 and then we walked through. 475 00:40:09,053 --> 00:40:11,847 He was very cooperative at the time and he didn't give us a hard time at all. 476 00:40:17,186 --> 00:40:21,357 When we're moving a CPOT, one of the world's top drug traffickers, 477 00:40:21,357 --> 00:40:23,192 I'm not stopping anywhere. 478 00:40:23,192 --> 00:40:25,736 We went directly downtown to the prison. 479 00:40:25,736 --> 00:40:28,155 We knew that we had a dangerous guy here 480 00:40:28,155 --> 00:40:31,158 and there's been escape attempts in the past. 481 00:40:31,158 --> 00:40:34,286 And there was no way I was going to let that happen on my watch. 482 00:40:37,164 --> 00:40:41,418 PETER: It was incumbent on the United States government to provide, 483 00:40:41,418 --> 00:40:47,007 the evidence necessary to convict these individuals in courts in the United States, 484 00:40:47,007 --> 00:40:51,011 and obtain very lengthy sentences. 485 00:40:51,011 --> 00:40:52,680 DEREK: They had all the evidence. 486 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,056 It was sealed up nice. 487 00:40:54,056 --> 00:40:56,183 They put the bow on top of the prosecution. 488 00:40:56,183 --> 00:40:59,395 And the defense attorneys realized there's no way to beat the case. 489 00:40:59,395 --> 00:41:02,064 That's because of detectives like John Barry 490 00:41:02,064 --> 00:41:04,400 and others that worked on this investigation. 491 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,153 They put together an airtight prosecution. 492 00:41:08,153 --> 00:41:13,075 What's amazing about this case, which is unheard of, a month later he plead guilty. 493 00:41:16,495 --> 00:41:22,543 There's nothing he could offer that would deserve a reduction in sentence. 494 00:41:22,543 --> 00:41:26,005 JOHN: When you have the baddest of the bad, the worst of the worst, 495 00:41:26,005 --> 00:41:30,092 Don Berna was not one of those people we wanted to get a break. 496 00:41:30,092 --> 00:41:34,138 JAY: You have Don Berna the drug trafficker, you have Don Berna the terrorist. 497 00:41:34,138 --> 00:41:42,563 He left behind a trail of blood that is unfathomable to the average person. 498 00:41:42,563 --> 00:41:46,900 RUBEN: The Colombian government prevents the United States from, 499 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:53,073 having a death penalty or a life sentence for their people 500 00:41:53,073 --> 00:41:56,201 that are extradited out of Colombia. 501 00:41:56,201 --> 00:42:00,956 Famously at the sentencing the prosecutor announced to the judge, 502 00:42:00,956 --> 00:42:05,878 that Don Berna was the Osama Bin Laden of Colombia. 503 00:42:05,878 --> 00:42:10,090 And you can imagine what an impact that is when you're saying that after 9/11 504 00:42:10,090 --> 00:42:12,384 in a courtroom in Manhattan. 505 00:42:12,384 --> 00:42:16,096 It was really the death knell to any possibility of Berna 506 00:42:16,096 --> 00:42:18,265 ever being able to cooperate in any case. 507 00:42:33,655 --> 00:42:37,534 JOHN: He got 375 months in prison, which is just over 31 years. 508 00:42:47,669 --> 00:42:52,132 JEREMY: Don Berna tried invisibility on for size to begin with, 509 00:42:52,132 --> 00:42:56,887 and then he set up a criminal infrastructure upon 510 00:42:56,887 --> 00:43:01,642 which today's invisibles can now piggyback off. 511 00:43:01,642 --> 00:43:04,353 This is a watershed moment. 512 00:43:04,353 --> 00:43:12,653 So for me Don Berna is the first in the process of invisibility. 513 00:43:12,653 --> 00:43:16,698 JAY: To the American people and to the world they don't now who Don Berna is. 514 00:43:16,698 --> 00:43:22,871 But Don Berna can go toe to toe with the most well‐known traffickers in the world, 515 00:43:22,871 --> 00:43:30,170 Rodriguez Orihuelas, Pablo Escobar, Don Berna in his own right eventually rivaled 516 00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:32,756 the worst of the worst. 517 00:43:32,756 --> 00:43:36,051 JOHN: His mistake was that he got too big. 518 00:43:36,051 --> 00:43:41,431 You can't kill politicians and you can't kill family members of people that owe money, 519 00:43:41,431 --> 00:43:44,810 and people are just going to stay quiet forever. 520 00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:47,729 And once you're in the limelight, the bullseye's on your back, 521 00:43:47,729 --> 00:43:49,231 and you better look out. 522 00:43:49,273 --> 00:43:50,274 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