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The sound I'm going to play now
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is Timothy Leary's voice...
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in 1974
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when he was incarcerated
at Vacaville Prison.
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He did a series of interviews
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with one of the
psychologists at the prison.
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I'm just going
to play the very first words
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he gave this psychologist.
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Dr. Timothy Leary,
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once a clinical psychologist
and Harvard professor,
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now, by his own description,
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a visionary prophet.
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Others have called him
the man most responsible
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for the North American crisis
over LSD.
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We're teaching people
how to use their head.
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The, uh, point is...
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that in order to use your head,
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you have to go out of your mind.
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He... was
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put in prison
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as an ideological trafficker
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that had to be stopped.
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After he escaped from prison
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and spent three years in Europe,
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we were both trapped
and captured in Afghanistan.
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My biggest question:
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Was I being manipulated?
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And if I was manipulated,
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how far back did it go?
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Whatever forces
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had been following Timothy
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since way back.
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All of the counterculture said
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that I was
a CIA sex provocateur,
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a Mata Hari,
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that I had been sent
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to lead Timothy to Afghanistan
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and get him arrested.
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Twenty.
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Is Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
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his one contact/spokesagent,
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a sex spy?
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An agent provocateuse,
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a double agent,
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a CIA hysteric,
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a jealous tigress, or what?
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All of the above.
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So you're a CIA plant?
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I still wonder to this day.
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It's in watching Wormwood...
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where I said to myself,
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"Maybe I was a CIA plant."
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And maybe I'd been manipulated
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to... lead Timothy Leary
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back into being captured.
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Uh, this is
Joanna Harcourt.
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First I'd like to show you
these two papers
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that, uh,
Timothy Leary gave me
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two minutes before
we got off the plane
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in Los Angeles
yesterday evening.
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I'll read them to you.
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"January 18th, 1973,
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To Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
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I lovingly give all the rights
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to transmit the story
of our perfect love in Spain,
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Switzerland, Austria, USA,
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Lebanon, Afghanistan, Germany,
et cetera. Timothy Leary."
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If you'd like to see them.
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I loved him.
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I had known him for six weeks.
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We had traveled like
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shooting stars across Europe,
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taking acid every day...
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plunging into the maddest,
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romantic relationship
you could ever imagine.
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I knew nothing about him.
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I had not read
any of his books.
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I had heard
the Moody Blues song.
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I remember exactly
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where I heard that song.
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Seven months pregnant
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in a bathtub
in Trenton, New Jersey,
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which for me was
like stranger than Peru,
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with my tummy protruding
out of the water
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and hearing...
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Timothy Leary's dead
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No, no, no, no
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He's outside, looking in
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Timothy Leary's dead
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And I got this
strange destiny feeling.
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It's happened to me
many times in my life.
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This is a turning point.
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He'll fly his astral plane
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Takes you trips
around the bay
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Timothy Leary
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Timothy Leary
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LSD was calling me.
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Definitely.
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The Supreme Court
today overturned
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the narcotics conviction
of Dr. Timothy Leary,
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and in the process dealt
a crippling blow
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to federal marijuana laws.
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I don't think
that I'm ever going to spend
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more than one day in jail--
that's my limit.
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You see, it would be suicidal
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for the United States
government to put me in jail.
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Every time they arrest me,
they bring more interest
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and sympathy
for what we're doing.
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'Cause we're not criminals,
we're not dope addicts.
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We're sincere people trying
to do our best for our society
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and for our own souls.
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I had a very painful childhood.
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Much of it was about
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being Jews in Europe.
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My mother went through
two world wars.
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She went through
two world wars as a Jew.
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She carried the trauma
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of having escaped Poland.
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She carried the trauma
of 77 of her relatives
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being killed.
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Except for sometimes
being funny...
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my mother was...
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well,
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she treated me like
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she was Hitler
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and I was the Jew.
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That didn't make
for a very happy childhood.
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I think I was about 11 when
I found out we were Jewish.
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And so, I immediately ran
to my mother
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and I said to her,
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"This is wonderful,
we're Jewish!
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We're the most intelligent
people in the world!"
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And she slapped me
across the face.
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She said, "Never,
never, never say that."
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Being a Catholic
was the salvation.
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It would save her child,
her children,
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and, uh, it would save her.
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So back to LSD calling me.
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There was something
that could provoke
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an enormous change in me.
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And perhaps I could find out
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what it was to feel planted.
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Something is being born,
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and I wanted to be part of it.
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For those of you who, uh,
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missed the last
thrilling installment
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in this Keystone Kops drama,
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yesterday afternoon
Rosemary and I came here
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to talk to the press
about, uh, our views
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and to, uh,
answer any questions.
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And, as you probably know, uh,
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I was arrested
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and then immediately
released at the, um,
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at the jail.
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Dr. Timothy Leary,
the former Harvard instructor
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who became an exponent of LSD,
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has been convicted of illegally
transporting marijuana
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and faces a possible
20-year prison sentence.
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At that time,
this character I had been
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lovers with...
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when I was 18 years old...
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a man called Michel Hauchard...
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came to visit me.
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He was an arms dealer...
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a James Bond villain.
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Timothy called him Goldfinger.
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Do you expect me
to talk?
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No, Mr. Bond,
I expect you to die.
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He was always trying
to get back with me.
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He would say to me,
"I have a Rolls-Royce,"
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and I'd say, "I don't care."
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He'd say, "I have a villa
in the south of France."
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I'd say, "I don't care."
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We had dinner,
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and at dinner he said to me,
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"I own Timothy Leary."
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So I said,
"What is Timothy Leary?"
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"It's this man who's
very famous in America,
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and he's escaped from prison."
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That was so exciting for me!
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I almost wanted to be
with an outlaw.
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Dr. Timothy Leary,
formerly of Harvard,
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now known as the High Priest
of the drug cult,
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escaped during the night from
the California Men's Colony
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at San Luis Obispo.
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Dr. Leary was serving
a term of up to ten years
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for possession of marijuana.
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We want to tell the people
of the United States
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the third world war has begun.
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Join us in the fight for freedom
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because we are everywhere,
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and we're happy
and we're free.
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And we want to make
the world free.
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And how did he
come to "own" Timothy Leary?
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Well, this is it.
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His friend recommended
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that he be Timothy
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and Rosemary's protector
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in Switzerland.
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Michel gave them
a beautiful house...
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paid for a nice life.
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But after a short while he said,
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"If you write a book
about your escape,
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I will sell it."
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Michel said to Timothy,
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"I would like you to
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sign a contract where
you assign to me
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all your literary rights
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now and forever."
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Timothy had nothing to lose.
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He was an outlaw on the run.
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He signed it.
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And so that's
what Michel meant
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when he sat next to me
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in that restaurant
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in Marbella and said,
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"I own Timothy Leary."
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How rich is he?
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Who? Michel Hauchard?
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Yes.
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How can I tell?
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You can never tell how rich,
rich people are.
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Switzerland today
refused a United States request
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for the extradition of
LSD advocate Timothy Leary.
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Leary called it
a victory of love.
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Dr. Leary,
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you are in exile
from your own country.
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-You're a fugitive
from justice.
-Mm-hmm.
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How do you feel about that,
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not being able to go home?
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Well, it's ironic, um,
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my joy today...
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comes because, uh,
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I'm not going to go back
to the United States.
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I'm going to decline
the invitation of, uh,
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Governor Reagan
and President Nixon to, uh,
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come back to their prison.
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I started thinking
about this Timothy Leary.
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I just had this destiny thing.
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I always feel when
there's going to be
a turn in my destiny.
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It's happened to me
again and again and again.
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I was living in
the south of Spain
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in this place called Marbella.
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It was very groovy.
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I took off with a man
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in a VW bus.
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He spent a lot of time
with the Rolling Stones.
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One of their songs is called
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"Tommy the Tumbling Dice."
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It's about my friend Tommy.
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We went to see
Keith Richards
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in Villars, in Switzerland.
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Keith Richards had this lover,
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Anita Pallenberg,
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who was quite a sizzling number,
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I would say.
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She almost singlehandedly
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invented the Rolling Stones.
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She said, "There's
this man, Timothy Leary,
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and his wife is gone,
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and you have to meet him."
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At that time I was very busy.
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What Tommy and I were doing is
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we were trying
to convince Keith,
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"Go to America
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and do a series
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of concerts
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to promote McGovern.
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We didn't want Nixon
to win the election.
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And Keith said...
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Sure.
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Tommy and I flew
to Washington, D.C.
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We went to the McGovern
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headquarters and we told them,
275
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"Hey, the Rolling Stones
are willing to do
276
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three weeks or a month
of concerts for you."
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And there was such
a sense of defeatism.
278
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They were so down,
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they felt so bad
that they couldn't accept.
280
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So,
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00:15:36,293 --> 00:15:38,337
next adventure?
282
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We went to New York.
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We were staying
with this friend of mine,
284
00:15:47,387 --> 00:15:49,556
Diane von Furstenberg.
285
00:15:51,224 --> 00:15:53,560
Those are the kind of people
I grew up with.
286
00:15:55,187 --> 00:15:57,064
-The phone rang.
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She handed me the phone,
288
00:15:58,774 --> 00:16:00,734
and I was just lying there
289
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on her mink blanket.
290
00:16:02,444 --> 00:16:04,905
It was Michel.
Michel knew Diane.
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I made an appointment to go
and have drinks with him
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at the St. Regis.
293
00:16:10,619 --> 00:16:13,413
He pulled out a check
294
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for $250,000.
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That's a lot of money.
296
00:16:18,627 --> 00:16:22,089
He says, "That's what
Bantam Books gave me
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00:16:22,130 --> 00:16:26,510
for the manuscript
that Timothy has just written
298
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about his escape
299
00:16:28,303 --> 00:16:31,598
and his life on the run,"
300
00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,227
the book that became
Confessions of a Hope Fiend.
301
00:16:36,395 --> 00:16:39,898
He was emulating
Aleister Crowley.
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00:16:44,486 --> 00:16:46,446
Well, I thought,
"Oh, my goodness,
303
00:16:46,488 --> 00:16:48,824
this guy's
really interesting."
304
00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:45,505
Tommy and I flew to Geneva,
305
00:17:45,547 --> 00:17:47,966
went into Lausanne,
306
00:17:48,008 --> 00:17:50,510
-went up to Michel's house.
307
00:17:50,552 --> 00:17:53,638
The Moroccan butler
opened the door.
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We gave him a good English
hashish spliff.
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00:17:59,436 --> 00:18:01,563
I went into Michel's office
310
00:18:01,605 --> 00:18:04,774
and I opened his address book,
311
00:18:04,816 --> 00:18:07,194
and I found
about five phone numbers
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00:18:07,235 --> 00:18:09,654
for Timothy.
313
00:18:09,696 --> 00:18:13,658
Isn't Tommy jealous
of your interest in Leary?
314
00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:16,495
Well, he thought
he'd be included.
315
00:18:16,536 --> 00:18:18,538
I mean, he didn't think that
316
00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:22,876
Timothy and I were going
to be each other's destiny.
317
00:18:25,086 --> 00:18:27,130
Then I went to
318
00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:29,966
the Palace Hotel in Lausanne.
319
00:18:30,008 --> 00:18:31,384
I didn't have any money.
320
00:18:31,426 --> 00:18:35,388
I never have any money,
but things happen.
321
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:37,974
And they knew me because
I learned to walk there.
322
00:18:39,267 --> 00:18:41,102
We got this beautiful suite.
323
00:18:41,144 --> 00:18:43,313
I started calling Timothy.
324
00:18:44,773 --> 00:18:46,483
Hello?
325
00:18:46,525 --> 00:18:50,320
I told him I saw
Michel Hauchard in New York
326
00:18:50,362 --> 00:18:53,532
and he has a big check of yours.
327
00:18:53,573 --> 00:18:57,244
He invited us to come to Lucerne
328
00:18:57,285 --> 00:18:58,703
and meet him.
329
00:18:58,745 --> 00:19:00,664
We got a bunch of balloons
330
00:19:00,705 --> 00:19:03,208
which we put in
the back of the car
331
00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:05,585
and we drove to Lucerne.
332
00:19:07,045 --> 00:19:08,630
Multicolored balloons?
333
00:19:08,672 --> 00:19:10,924
Multicolored balloons,
of course.
334
00:19:12,926 --> 00:19:17,264
I think I must have looked
at him from the feet to the top.
335
00:19:17,305 --> 00:19:19,266
And I swear it looked like
336
00:19:19,307 --> 00:19:21,726
he was dancing,
337
00:19:21,768 --> 00:19:23,186
not walking.
338
00:19:24,813 --> 00:19:26,731
I immediately thought,
"Oh, my goodness,
339
00:19:26,773 --> 00:19:29,609
this man is
incredibly attractive.
340
00:19:31,069 --> 00:19:35,198
He invited us to go
to his chalet.
341
00:19:36,533 --> 00:19:39,786
He said,
"Will you come with me?"
342
00:19:39,828 --> 00:19:44,082
He had this
canary yellow Porsche.
343
00:19:46,126 --> 00:19:48,336
I thought, "Well, this is
getting better and better.
344
00:19:48,378 --> 00:19:50,714
This man is hip!"
345
00:19:53,049 --> 00:19:54,801
Maybe hip enough for me.
346
00:19:56,928 --> 00:19:58,763
And we went to his chalet.
347
00:19:58,805 --> 00:20:01,766
And he had three
or four people there.
348
00:20:02,976 --> 00:20:04,769
He said,
349
00:20:04,811 --> 00:20:07,439
"Does anybody want to take LSD?"
350
00:20:10,817 --> 00:20:14,863
I had two Clear Light acid...
351
00:20:16,281 --> 00:20:17,699
and I said, "Well, yes,
352
00:20:17,741 --> 00:20:20,493
but I just have enough
for you and me."
353
00:20:20,535 --> 00:20:22,829
He said to me,
354
00:20:22,871 --> 00:20:25,040
"You've come to free me."
355
00:20:29,127 --> 00:20:31,171
I thought,
356
00:20:31,212 --> 00:20:33,840
"Okay."
357
00:20:33,882 --> 00:20:36,843
I was a little intimidated,
but not too much.
358
00:20:36,885 --> 00:20:39,262
And we went to this restaurant.
359
00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:42,349
I was still tripping.
360
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:45,518
Everything was
going whoosh, whoosh.
361
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,687
For the people who know, uh,
362
00:20:47,729 --> 00:20:51,191
there can be great liquidity
363
00:20:51,232 --> 00:20:53,026
when you've taken acid.
364
00:20:53,068 --> 00:20:55,362
He ordered eggs and bacon.
365
00:20:55,403 --> 00:20:58,531
To me, the eggs were like eyes,
366
00:20:58,573 --> 00:21:01,326
but he was very comfortable
367
00:21:01,368 --> 00:21:03,078
with having a good breakfast.
368
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,831
He brought his
tarot cards with him.
369
00:21:06,873 --> 00:21:09,376
He explained to me that he was
370
00:21:09,417 --> 00:21:11,878
a reincarnation
371
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,588
of Aleister Crowley...
372
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:18,009
and that this was
Crowley's deck.
373
00:21:19,719 --> 00:21:24,557
And the first card was
the Wheel of Fortune,
374
00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:28,395
and he said to me,
"That's what you are to me.
375
00:21:28,436 --> 00:21:30,230
Watch the wheel turn
376
00:21:30,271 --> 00:21:33,274
and destiny turn.
377
00:21:33,316 --> 00:21:37,404
It's going to have an enormous
influence on my life."
378
00:21:37,445 --> 00:21:40,740
And then he pulled
the second card
379
00:21:40,782 --> 00:21:42,450
and it was Prudence.
380
00:21:44,244 --> 00:21:45,912
And I thought,
381
00:21:45,954 --> 00:21:48,415
"No, no,
I'll pass on that."
382
00:21:48,456 --> 00:21:50,083
And then,
383
00:21:50,125 --> 00:21:53,044
he pulled out...
384
00:21:53,086 --> 00:21:55,588
the Tower,
385
00:21:55,630 --> 00:21:58,925
which is an absolute explosion.
386
00:22:00,051 --> 00:22:02,762
It is a card designed
387
00:22:02,804 --> 00:22:04,931
to tell you
388
00:22:04,973 --> 00:22:08,143
that many times in life
389
00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:10,562
when something major passes,
390
00:22:10,603 --> 00:22:14,399
it feels like
everything you knew
391
00:22:14,441 --> 00:22:16,067
is being destroyed
392
00:22:16,109 --> 00:22:18,319
to be renewed.
393
00:22:19,988 --> 00:22:22,949
That's what
the Tower represents.
394
00:22:22,991 --> 00:22:26,244
Absolute chaos...
395
00:22:27,495 --> 00:22:29,664
and transformation.
396
00:22:34,377 --> 00:22:37,046
And at that moment
he said to me,
397
00:22:37,088 --> 00:22:39,799
"You've come to free me,
398
00:22:39,841 --> 00:22:42,927
and I'm returning to America."
399
00:22:42,969 --> 00:22:46,347
I didn't really understand
what he meant...
400
00:22:48,349 --> 00:22:51,060
but I knew we were bonded.
401
00:22:52,854 --> 00:22:54,689
Truly bonded.
402
00:23:00,028 --> 00:23:02,405
Is there where
Dennis Martino enters?
403
00:23:03,823 --> 00:23:06,493
Dennis Martino
was at the chalet.
404
00:23:08,495 --> 00:23:10,663
The sorcerer's apprentice.
405
00:23:12,373 --> 00:23:16,169
A dope dealer with
the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
406
00:23:16,211 --> 00:23:18,379
A group of
407
00:23:18,421 --> 00:23:22,133
Laguna Beach surfers...
408
00:23:23,218 --> 00:23:26,471
who dealt hashish
409
00:23:26,513 --> 00:23:28,473
between Afghanistan
410
00:23:28,515 --> 00:23:31,184
and the United States.
411
00:23:31,226 --> 00:23:33,144
Dennis knew Timothy
412
00:23:33,186 --> 00:23:35,730
because Dennis's twin brother
413
00:23:35,772 --> 00:23:37,565
made a baby
414
00:23:37,607 --> 00:23:40,026
with Timothy's daughter.
415
00:23:42,362 --> 00:23:43,863
Is there any suggestion--
416
00:23:43,905 --> 00:23:45,698
I know that this became
an issue later--
417
00:23:45,740 --> 00:23:47,116
maybe I'm jumping ahead--
418
00:23:47,158 --> 00:23:50,119
that Dennis might be
working against Timothy?
419
00:23:50,161 --> 00:23:51,496
If you want, Errol,
420
00:23:51,538 --> 00:23:54,499
we can, uh,
at some point get into
421
00:23:54,541 --> 00:23:56,501
"strange stuff."
422
00:23:56,543 --> 00:23:59,045
One of the reasons I...
423
00:23:59,087 --> 00:24:01,381
came to get you
424
00:24:01,422 --> 00:24:05,051
was because of
these strangenesses.
425
00:24:05,093 --> 00:24:07,470
People are here,
then they show up here.
426
00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:12,892
You asked earlier,
Why would you be manipulated?
427
00:24:12,934 --> 00:24:17,272
Well, because I
think this is a huge part
428
00:24:17,313 --> 00:24:19,732
of the manipulation
429
00:24:19,774 --> 00:24:22,443
by government that has led us
430
00:24:22,485 --> 00:24:24,654
to where we are today...
431
00:24:26,114 --> 00:24:29,284
the Timothy Leary story.
432
00:24:29,325 --> 00:24:31,744
President Nixon
asked Congress today
433
00:24:31,786 --> 00:24:34,747
for new laws to deal
with drugs and narcotics.
434
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:36,541
The new laws
the President wants
435
00:24:36,583 --> 00:24:38,543
would replace parts of
the Marijuana Act
436
00:24:38,585 --> 00:24:41,254
struck down by
the Supreme Court last year.
437
00:24:41,296 --> 00:24:43,673
Other legislation
would give a task force
438
00:24:43,715 --> 00:24:46,384
of federal agents
broad new powers to break in
439
00:24:46,426 --> 00:24:48,928
and make arrests
without warning.
440
00:25:26,507 --> 00:25:27,926
After breakfast,
441
00:25:27,967 --> 00:25:30,303
we go back to his house.
442
00:25:30,345 --> 00:25:33,806
Tommy explains to him
443
00:25:33,848 --> 00:25:38,686
that the way we're going
to get him out of Switzerland,
444
00:25:38,728 --> 00:25:41,397
we're going to buy a sailboat
445
00:25:41,439 --> 00:25:44,067
in Amsterdam.
446
00:25:44,108 --> 00:25:47,236
We're going to make
that sailboat
447
00:25:47,278 --> 00:25:49,614
a radio station.
448
00:25:51,824 --> 00:25:53,826
We're going to
start broadcasting
449
00:25:53,868 --> 00:25:57,330
revolutionary messages,
450
00:25:57,372 --> 00:26:00,625
peace and love messages.
451
00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:03,795
We're going to sail
over to Jamaica
452
00:26:03,836 --> 00:26:08,508
where the Rolling Stones are
recording their latest album.
453
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:12,345
We left Timothy and went
back to the Palace Hotel.
454
00:26:12,387 --> 00:26:14,180
They said that
if I didn't pay the bill,
455
00:26:14,222 --> 00:26:16,599
I was going to be arrested
in the morning.
456
00:26:16,641 --> 00:26:20,186
I thought,
"That's amazing!
457
00:26:20,228 --> 00:26:24,023
I'm going to experience
what Timothy experienced."
458
00:26:26,067 --> 00:26:29,404
The Swiss prisons
were very civilized.
459
00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:33,658
I asked them to bring me
some magazines.
460
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:37,078
I asked them to bring me
some café au lait.
461
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,997
They were very obliging.
462
00:26:39,038 --> 00:26:41,499
It was sort of easy
for me to say,
463
00:26:41,541 --> 00:26:45,586
"Come on, release me,
somebody's going
to pay this bill.
464
00:26:45,628 --> 00:26:47,672
Goldfinger paid the bill.
465
00:26:47,714 --> 00:26:50,383
In gold bullion.
466
00:26:50,425 --> 00:26:53,720
Went back
to where Timothy lived...
467
00:26:55,763 --> 00:26:57,765
ran into his arms saying,
468
00:26:57,807 --> 00:26:59,976
"I just went to prison!"
469
00:27:01,394 --> 00:27:04,897
I was so naive,
it was incredible.
470
00:27:04,939 --> 00:27:08,151
We decided that we would give
471
00:27:08,192 --> 00:27:10,319
Tommy a thousand dollars
472
00:27:10,361 --> 00:27:12,238
to go look for a boat.
473
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,490
A thousand dollars
to get rid of him?
474
00:27:14,532 --> 00:27:16,409
Yeah, right.
475
00:27:18,703 --> 00:27:21,164
When did you first realize
476
00:27:21,205 --> 00:27:23,416
that you could control men?
477
00:27:24,959 --> 00:27:27,086
Oof.
478
00:27:27,128 --> 00:27:29,589
The first time a man
479
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:33,259
kissed my neck
when I was maybe...
480
00:27:33,301 --> 00:27:35,678
eleven, 12 years old.
481
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,307
I had this surge of power.
482
00:27:39,348 --> 00:27:42,060
There's definitely something
483
00:27:42,101 --> 00:27:44,896
I can control in this life.
484
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:51,360
Leary was emanating.
485
00:27:51,402 --> 00:27:54,113
Sexy. Power. Charm.
486
00:27:55,615 --> 00:27:59,243
We went off on the road
in the yellow Porsche,
487
00:27:59,285 --> 00:28:01,329
in the sparkling night
488
00:28:01,370 --> 00:28:04,916
with beautiful
Swiss snow falling
489
00:28:04,957 --> 00:28:06,709
and LSD.
490
00:28:06,751 --> 00:28:09,545
I was with him
in this bubble,
491
00:28:09,587 --> 00:28:13,132
in this amazing
yellow spaceship.
492
00:28:14,509 --> 00:28:17,261
I was beginning to feel
493
00:28:17,303 --> 00:28:20,306
some sense that I had arrived.
494
00:28:22,517 --> 00:28:26,479
I was a bit surprised because
we'd been together for a week...
495
00:28:27,438 --> 00:28:29,148
and we didn't have sex.
496
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,067
In those days, I felt that
497
00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:34,737
if I was with a man
and I didn't have sex with him
498
00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:36,823
pretty quickly,
499
00:28:36,864 --> 00:28:38,825
we weren't really bonded.
500
00:28:40,076 --> 00:28:42,495
But we got to
the Palace Hotel...
501
00:28:45,123 --> 00:28:47,959
and we went to our room,
502
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,002
and then he said to me,
503
00:28:50,044 --> 00:28:52,255
"Sit on the bed."
504
00:28:52,296 --> 00:28:55,675
He had... necklaces
505
00:28:55,716 --> 00:28:59,011
and bracelets
506
00:28:59,053 --> 00:29:02,098
and sort of Indian jewelry.
507
00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:04,350
I instinctively got naked.
508
00:29:04,392 --> 00:29:07,186
He started putting the jewelry
509
00:29:07,228 --> 00:29:08,646
all over me.
510
00:29:08,688 --> 00:29:12,024
He told me that I was
the Goddess Lakshmi.
511
00:29:14,235 --> 00:29:18,698
Then he took out
a Life magazine.
512
00:29:18,739 --> 00:29:21,534
In that issue
of Life magazine
513
00:29:21,576 --> 00:29:24,787
were the first images
514
00:29:24,829 --> 00:29:27,039
of inside the brain.
515
00:29:30,376 --> 00:29:31,711
And he said to me,
516
00:29:31,752 --> 00:29:35,339
"That's where I'm going to be
517
00:29:35,381 --> 00:29:37,675
making love to you."
518
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:41,762
And indeed,
519
00:29:41,804 --> 00:29:43,890
it was quite a loving...
520
00:29:45,183 --> 00:29:46,809
session.
521
00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:37,235
So, anyway,
522
00:30:37,276 --> 00:30:40,279
we left Gstaad,
and we were going to go to
523
00:30:40,321 --> 00:30:43,783
St. Moritz where I was born.
524
00:30:43,824 --> 00:30:45,618
My mother was there
525
00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:48,454
in January 1946,
526
00:30:48,496 --> 00:30:51,958
mainly to play bridge.
527
00:30:51,999 --> 00:30:54,919
Suddenly she started
having pains.
528
00:30:54,961 --> 00:30:57,296
Apparently
the village doctor told her
529
00:30:57,338 --> 00:30:59,257
she had appendicitis
530
00:30:59,298 --> 00:31:02,802
and gave her
lots of painkillers
531
00:31:02,843 --> 00:31:04,303
and, as she said,
532
00:31:04,345 --> 00:31:08,474
"After about 40 hours
of bothering me,
533
00:31:08,516 --> 00:31:10,351
you came out."
534
00:31:10,393 --> 00:31:12,770
And I weighed a kilo 50.
535
00:31:12,812 --> 00:31:16,190
Not much bigger
than a Nathan's hotdog.
536
00:31:17,692 --> 00:31:20,403
So he took me
to the very beginning.
537
00:31:22,196 --> 00:31:24,949
During all this time,
538
00:31:24,991 --> 00:31:26,492
Timothy--
539
00:31:26,534 --> 00:31:29,829
you have to remember
he's a psychologist.
540
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:33,291
He made me tell
my whole story.
541
00:31:35,376 --> 00:31:37,670
I don't have much of a memory
542
00:31:37,712 --> 00:31:39,672
till I'm about
543
00:31:39,714 --> 00:31:42,591
four years old.
544
00:31:42,633 --> 00:31:47,013
We lived in the most
beautiful part of Paris
545
00:31:47,054 --> 00:31:49,015
called the Avenue Foch.
546
00:31:50,391 --> 00:31:52,685
Apparently I lied all the time.
547
00:31:54,478 --> 00:31:56,981
My nanny was very Catholic.
548
00:31:57,023 --> 00:31:59,108
Nanny decided with Mommy that
549
00:31:59,150 --> 00:32:01,360
I should swear
before the Cross
550
00:32:01,402 --> 00:32:03,529
that I was never going
to lie again.
551
00:32:03,571 --> 00:32:05,823
Well, wow!
552
00:32:05,865 --> 00:32:08,326
I was wrong.
553
00:32:08,367 --> 00:32:10,244
I betrayed Jesus.
554
00:32:14,248 --> 00:32:16,584
Every summer,
555
00:32:16,625 --> 00:32:18,878
I would be taken to stay
556
00:32:18,919 --> 00:32:21,213
at this villa
557
00:32:21,255 --> 00:32:23,424
in the south of France,
558
00:32:23,466 --> 00:32:26,010
the Villa Leonina.
559
00:32:26,052 --> 00:32:27,887
My step-grandfather,
560
00:32:27,928 --> 00:32:30,765
Arpád Plesch,
561
00:32:30,806 --> 00:32:34,935
was what they called
an international financier.
562
00:32:34,977 --> 00:32:37,813
He had this huge,
563
00:32:37,855 --> 00:32:39,857
white villa
564
00:32:39,899 --> 00:32:42,318
overlooking the Mediterranean.
565
00:32:45,112 --> 00:32:49,325
He had 70 servants,
566
00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:51,744
twelve of which were gardeners.
567
00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:55,039
He had a head gardener.
568
00:32:55,081 --> 00:32:59,085
And it was a garden with plants
from all over the world.
569
00:32:59,126 --> 00:33:01,170
And my grandfather flew in
570
00:33:01,212 --> 00:33:04,090
the most extraordinary birds.
571
00:33:04,131 --> 00:33:06,759
It was called the Exotic Garden.
572
00:33:09,804 --> 00:33:12,098
I used to take
my little friend, Rhoda,
573
00:33:12,139 --> 00:33:15,601
to go and play
with the head gardener.
574
00:33:15,643 --> 00:33:17,645
One day my grandfather
575
00:33:17,686 --> 00:33:21,107
took me aside and he said,
576
00:33:21,148 --> 00:33:23,943
"Rhoda told her nanny
577
00:33:23,984 --> 00:33:26,112
that the head gardener
touched her."
578
00:33:26,153 --> 00:33:27,947
He said to me,
579
00:33:27,988 --> 00:33:31,659
"But all little girls
are Messalinas,
580
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,828
and they try to seduce."
581
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:36,288
That afternoon,
582
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:38,874
I was taken to the gendarmes.
583
00:33:38,916 --> 00:33:41,085
Two gendarmes there
584
00:33:41,127 --> 00:33:42,962
kept asking me
585
00:33:43,003 --> 00:33:46,090
if the head gardener
had touched my pee-pee.
586
00:33:47,341 --> 00:33:50,970
I said, "No. No."
587
00:33:51,011 --> 00:33:53,055
It lasted for what was
588
00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:55,307
a very long time for me.
589
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:59,645
In the end,
590
00:34:01,522 --> 00:34:03,649
I told them that he did.
591
00:34:05,484 --> 00:34:08,070
But I know that I didn't know,
592
00:34:08,112 --> 00:34:10,156
I just wanted to please them.
593
00:34:10,197 --> 00:34:13,492
So they brought him in,
in handcuffs,
594
00:34:13,534 --> 00:34:17,329
for what the French call
"The Confrontation."
595
00:34:17,371 --> 00:34:20,166
They said repeat that
in front of him.
596
00:34:20,207 --> 00:34:22,543
I said, "He touched me."
597
00:34:24,837 --> 00:34:26,630
And they took him to prison.
598
00:34:30,676 --> 00:34:32,511
My mother had
599
00:34:32,553 --> 00:34:34,805
this very handsome chauffeur.
600
00:34:34,847 --> 00:34:36,891
I don't think the chauffeur
601
00:34:36,932 --> 00:34:39,351
was automatically the lover.
602
00:34:39,393 --> 00:34:41,437
I think my mother preferred
603
00:34:41,479 --> 00:34:44,023
ambassadors and commodores
604
00:34:44,064 --> 00:34:46,108
and commanders.
605
00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:52,031
She bragged she made
love with Mussolini.
606
00:34:52,072 --> 00:34:54,200
She had hired
this Spanish chauffeur.
607
00:34:54,241 --> 00:34:56,535
His name was Jesus.
608
00:34:56,577 --> 00:34:58,537
She would have none of that.
609
00:34:58,579 --> 00:35:01,123
She named him Ivan.
610
00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:04,210
She wasn't going
to go around calling Jesus.
611
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,507
In those days, in Paris,
612
00:35:09,548 --> 00:35:12,801
it was very fashionable
to have cocktail parties.
613
00:35:12,843 --> 00:35:16,013
Six o'clock,
my mother was gone.
614
00:35:16,055 --> 00:35:21,227
She had decorated my bedroom
like it was a farm.
615
00:35:21,268 --> 00:35:23,979
My bed was a wheelbarrow.
616
00:35:24,939 --> 00:35:27,858
My cupboard was a barn.
617
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,944
One night,
618
00:35:29,985 --> 00:35:33,239
when Mummy had gone
out to a cocktail party,
619
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,699
the servants were up
in their rooms.
620
00:35:35,741 --> 00:35:37,785
Ivan came to my room.
621
00:35:37,826 --> 00:35:40,996
He started putting his hands
622
00:35:41,038 --> 00:35:42,957
under my pajama,
623
00:35:42,998 --> 00:35:45,376
under the top,
624
00:35:45,417 --> 00:35:47,002
under the bottom.
625
00:35:47,044 --> 00:35:50,589
I tried to concentrate
on the pigeons...
626
00:35:52,174 --> 00:35:54,093
on the window.
627
00:35:54,134 --> 00:35:58,180
They were a lot of pigeons
that would come
628
00:35:58,222 --> 00:36:00,057
to the window.
629
00:36:00,099 --> 00:36:02,017
I had the feeling
630
00:36:02,059 --> 00:36:03,686
there was something that was...
631
00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:07,189
extremely,
632
00:36:07,231 --> 00:36:09,441
extremely wrong.
633
00:36:15,656 --> 00:36:18,200
And at the same time,
634
00:36:23,163 --> 00:36:25,624
I-I felt a sensation
635
00:36:29,795 --> 00:36:32,381
that was not altogether...
636
00:36:37,177 --> 00:36:39,138
disagreeable.
637
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,894
And I want to say this.
638
00:36:45,936 --> 00:36:50,357
The fact that there was
a slight sensation of...
639
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:57,531
of being seen,
640
00:36:57,573 --> 00:36:59,450
of being wanted...
641
00:37:01,118 --> 00:37:02,995
um...
642
00:37:04,997 --> 00:37:06,790
it created
643
00:37:07,958 --> 00:37:12,171
enormous confusion... for me.
644
00:37:12,212 --> 00:37:13,672
The guilt.
645
00:37:14,882 --> 00:37:16,675
Did you tell your mother?
646
00:37:17,885 --> 00:37:18,844
Oh, yeah.
647
00:37:18,886 --> 00:37:21,180
She said, um...
648
00:37:22,306 --> 00:37:25,351
"Good chauffeurs
are hard to find."
649
00:37:28,896 --> 00:37:31,273
Well, first she said
I was lying.
650
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,735
And then she said...
651
00:37:36,195 --> 00:37:39,281
"Good chauffeurs
are hard to find."
652
00:37:39,323 --> 00:37:44,036
You have to know something
because we're talking about
653
00:37:44,078 --> 00:37:49,083
what motivated me
to look for Timothy Leary.
654
00:37:49,124 --> 00:37:52,002
I feel all of this
is part of it.
655
00:37:52,044 --> 00:37:55,839
He was one of
the foremost psychologists
656
00:37:55,881 --> 00:37:57,383
of our time.
657
00:37:58,801 --> 00:38:00,803
He sensed that
658
00:38:00,844 --> 00:38:03,722
psychedelics
could be medicines...
659
00:38:05,182 --> 00:38:08,686
that they could cure trauma
660
00:38:08,727 --> 00:38:10,729
and PTSD.
661
00:38:10,771 --> 00:38:13,023
This trajectory
of my childhood,
662
00:38:13,065 --> 00:38:16,568
it led me to find him.
663
00:38:43,303 --> 00:38:46,682
So then we went off
to visit a friend of mine
664
00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:49,059
who had a beautiful chalet.
665
00:38:49,101 --> 00:38:51,937
You know the Opel cars?
666
00:38:53,731 --> 00:38:56,400
She was the von Opel heir.
667
00:38:56,442 --> 00:38:58,110
She gave a party.
668
00:38:59,611 --> 00:39:02,614
Andy Warhol and his
whole crew showed up.
669
00:39:04,783 --> 00:39:07,369
And Timothy said,
670
00:39:07,411 --> 00:39:11,790
"You and I are
the two most intelligent
men in America."
671
00:39:11,832 --> 00:39:13,417
He turned to me and he said,
672
00:39:13,459 --> 00:39:15,627
"And she is the most intelligent
673
00:39:15,669 --> 00:39:18,005
woman in the world."
674
00:39:19,673 --> 00:39:22,634
Andy brought with him
a whole pile
675
00:39:22,676 --> 00:39:26,138
of 45 rpm records
676
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:27,765
from the '50s.
677
00:39:29,141 --> 00:39:31,310
And he insisted
that we dance.
678
00:39:31,351 --> 00:39:34,646
I love you,
I love you, I love you
679
00:39:34,688 --> 00:39:37,316
And where you go
I'll follow, I'll follow,
I'll follow
680
00:39:37,357 --> 00:39:41,820
You'll always be
my true love, my true love,
my true love
681
00:39:41,862 --> 00:39:46,658
From now until forever,
forever, forever
682
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:48,118
I will follow you
683
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,828
The next day he told me,
684
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:53,207
"We're going
to drive off to Vienna,
685
00:39:53,248 --> 00:39:56,043
and I'm going to do a film
686
00:39:56,084 --> 00:40:02,591
that will say that
I'm completely against drugs."
687
00:40:02,633 --> 00:40:06,386
He felt that the man
who was the prime minister
688
00:40:06,428 --> 00:40:09,848
of Austria was going
to give him asylum.
689
00:40:11,767 --> 00:40:16,188
His asylum in Switzerland
was not safe anymore.
690
00:40:18,732 --> 00:40:20,984
At what point did he become
691
00:40:21,026 --> 00:40:23,987
the most dangerous man
in America?
692
00:40:24,029 --> 00:40:27,199
I think that was
one of Nixon's slogans.
693
00:40:29,243 --> 00:40:33,038
America's public enemy
number one in the United States
694
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,208
is drug abuse.
695
00:40:36,250 --> 00:40:38,377
In order to fight
and defeat this enemy,
696
00:40:38,418 --> 00:40:41,463
it is necessary to wage a new,
697
00:40:41,505 --> 00:40:44,132
all-out offensive.
698
00:40:44,174 --> 00:40:47,261
It gets tense
when you're a major outlaw.
699
00:40:49,429 --> 00:40:51,890
We got to Vienna,
and what they wanted was
700
00:40:51,932 --> 00:40:56,061
for him to say
that drugs were great.
701
00:40:56,103 --> 00:40:59,606
He wasn't very pleased
to be doing that.
702
00:41:03,819 --> 00:41:06,613
Also, I have to tell you,
703
00:41:06,655 --> 00:41:09,241
that at that time
704
00:41:09,283 --> 00:41:12,870
I became completely orange,
705
00:41:12,911 --> 00:41:15,247
like a sunflower.
706
00:41:15,289 --> 00:41:20,419
He suggested we go
to the university hospital,
707
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:22,921
and there were
maybe 200 students there.
708
00:41:22,963 --> 00:41:26,717
I threw off my coat and I
lifted my sleeves and I said,
709
00:41:26,758 --> 00:41:30,220
"Doctor, you have something
more important to do.
710
00:41:30,262 --> 00:41:35,100
You have a patient here
who has a terrible illness."
711
00:41:35,142 --> 00:41:38,186
In the book,
you said you were naked!
712
00:41:38,228 --> 00:41:41,231
Well... maybe I was.
713
00:41:44,484 --> 00:41:46,945
And how did
the students react?
714
00:41:46,987 --> 00:41:50,574
Oh, there was a roar.
Everybody adored it.
715
00:41:50,616 --> 00:41:54,286
I don't know,
if Timothy wasn't in love
with me until that moment,
716
00:41:54,328 --> 00:41:57,789
it totally busted
his heart open.
717
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:04,296
Timothy's daughter
718
00:42:04,338 --> 00:42:07,132
had come back from India.
719
00:42:07,174 --> 00:42:10,802
She had brought water
from the Ganges.
720
00:42:10,844 --> 00:42:14,139
I thought it would be
very gracious on my part
721
00:42:14,181 --> 00:42:16,141
to drink that bottle of water.
722
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,770
"This is going to be
your stepdaughter,
723
00:42:19,811 --> 00:42:22,648
and she's the same age you are,
724
00:42:22,689 --> 00:42:26,401
and she hands you a bottle
of water from the Ganges.
725
00:42:27,527 --> 00:42:29,196
So I drank it up.
726
00:42:29,237 --> 00:42:31,657
I always thought that
it was probably that water
727
00:42:31,698 --> 00:42:34,660
that gave me the...
728
00:42:34,701 --> 00:42:37,704
hepatitis.
729
00:42:37,746 --> 00:42:41,583
In the middle of all that,
Dennis showed up
730
00:42:41,625 --> 00:42:43,502
and started saying...
731
00:42:44,878 --> 00:42:47,547
that we should go
to Afghanistan.
732
00:42:48,882 --> 00:42:51,677
Timothy started explaining,
733
00:42:51,718 --> 00:42:54,346
"I know some people there
734
00:42:54,388 --> 00:42:56,848
who would give us
a lot of money,
735
00:42:56,890 --> 00:43:00,435
and then you and I
will go on to Ceylon,
736
00:43:00,477 --> 00:43:04,272
and we'll be poets on the beach
737
00:43:04,314 --> 00:43:07,109
and have babies."
738
00:43:07,150 --> 00:43:12,280
I thought that was the most
marvelous, magical plan
739
00:43:12,322 --> 00:43:13,907
you could imagine.
740
00:43:13,949 --> 00:43:15,534
Then we found out that Dennis
741
00:43:15,575 --> 00:43:17,369
had driven the Porsche
742
00:43:17,411 --> 00:43:19,121
and totaled it.
743
00:43:22,582 --> 00:43:24,751
There was no way out
744
00:43:24,793 --> 00:43:27,963
but forward and up and in.
745
00:43:31,758 --> 00:43:33,760
We've left Vienna.
746
00:43:35,262 --> 00:43:37,556
We've left what I know.
747
00:43:37,597 --> 00:43:40,851
But we're going
to make a stopover
748
00:43:40,892 --> 00:43:43,061
in Beirut.
749
00:43:47,274 --> 00:43:49,526
I'm really glad
we're going to Beirut
750
00:43:49,568 --> 00:43:51,903
because I know the president
751
00:43:51,945 --> 00:43:55,240
'cause the president
was in love with my mother.
752
00:43:55,282 --> 00:43:58,076
I knew we would be
received very well.
753
00:43:58,118 --> 00:44:00,871
Also, I was a star
754
00:44:00,912 --> 00:44:04,082
on Lebanese TV
755
00:44:04,124 --> 00:44:08,462
when I was between
the age of 14 and 15.
756
00:44:10,714 --> 00:44:13,258
I was watching
television in Beirut,
757
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,761
and I saw
they had a quiz show.
758
00:44:15,802 --> 00:44:19,264
I applied for the quiz show
and I was taken.
759
00:44:19,306 --> 00:44:21,933
- To be a contestant.
-To be a contestant.
760
00:44:21,975 --> 00:44:23,393
And I loved it.
761
00:44:25,771 --> 00:44:29,775
You had to figure out
who was lying.
762
00:44:29,816 --> 00:44:32,319
The man who was
in charge of programs
763
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,779
came up to me and he said,
764
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:35,822
"You're really good
on television."
765
00:44:35,864 --> 00:44:37,616
Then I said to him,
766
00:44:37,657 --> 00:44:40,077
"Okay, well, why don't
you produce a show with me?
767
00:44:40,118 --> 00:44:45,082
Let's have a show called
Teenagers Club."
768
00:44:45,123 --> 00:44:47,417
From the book,
you tell a story
769
00:44:47,459 --> 00:44:50,670
that almost all of
the producers were
in love with you.
770
00:44:50,712 --> 00:44:52,547
Well, they were.
771
00:44:52,589 --> 00:44:54,424
When I was 15,
772
00:44:54,466 --> 00:44:58,136
that's when I started
having a lot of sex.
773
00:44:58,178 --> 00:44:59,805
Can't say I regret it.
774
00:45:05,769 --> 00:45:08,230
We stopped in Beirut.
775
00:45:08,271 --> 00:45:12,192
Something very extraordinary
happened there.
776
00:45:13,485 --> 00:45:14,820
You have to remember,
777
00:45:14,861 --> 00:45:16,988
I didn't know Timothy
for a long time.
778
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:19,282
And I really didn't understand
779
00:45:19,324 --> 00:45:23,995
the significance of
his life work until then.
780
00:45:24,037 --> 00:45:28,792
And we're at the son
of the president's house.
781
00:45:28,834 --> 00:45:31,336
He saw all these books
by Jung,
782
00:45:31,378 --> 00:45:34,548
and he turned to me
and he said,
783
00:45:34,589 --> 00:45:37,050
"They're not going
to understand my work
784
00:45:37,092 --> 00:45:40,345
until after I'm dead."
785
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:38,820
He was telling me
he was a fugitive,
so I said to him,
786
00:46:38,862 --> 00:46:40,739
"Well, I have
a really good idea.
787
00:46:40,780 --> 00:46:42,574
I think you should dye
your hair."
788
00:46:44,993 --> 00:46:49,748
I mean, I didn't know
I was up against the whole
United States government.
789
00:46:52,584 --> 00:46:54,544
I chose a rock 'n' roll look,
790
00:46:54,586 --> 00:46:58,423
purple trousers
and a silver shirt.
791
00:46:58,465 --> 00:47:00,508
I got some black dye.
792
00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:03,845
So I started putting
the black dye on his hair,
793
00:47:03,887 --> 00:47:07,557
but then we made love
794
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,185
and we forgot about
the black dye.
795
00:47:10,227 --> 00:47:13,772
And his hair turned out to be
796
00:47:13,813 --> 00:47:16,274
absolute purple.
797
00:47:16,316 --> 00:47:19,778
Here was my rock 'n' roll
star professor.
798
00:47:20,987 --> 00:47:22,739
Here's a question:
799
00:47:22,781 --> 00:47:26,743
why does he have to travel
in some kind of disguise?
800
00:47:26,785 --> 00:47:29,621
He knows that
801
00:47:29,663 --> 00:47:31,623
any place he stops,
802
00:47:31,665 --> 00:47:34,793
he might be arrested.
803
00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:39,464
The indictment
804
00:47:39,506 --> 00:47:41,800
had just come out.
805
00:47:44,594 --> 00:47:46,513
They charged him with everything
806
00:47:46,554 --> 00:47:49,015
that the Brotherhood
of Eternal Love did.
807
00:47:54,646 --> 00:47:56,648
I am glad
that in this administration
808
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:59,442
we have increased
the amount of money
809
00:47:59,484 --> 00:48:03,154
for handling the problem
of dangerous drugs sevenfold.
810
00:48:03,196 --> 00:48:05,573
It will be $600 million
this year.
811
00:48:05,615 --> 00:48:09,911
This is one area where
we cannot have budget cuts.
812
00:48:09,953 --> 00:48:12,372
We must wage
what I have called total war
813
00:48:12,414 --> 00:48:16,084
against public enemy number one
in the United States,
814
00:48:16,126 --> 00:48:18,003
the problem of dangerous drugs.
815
00:48:23,842 --> 00:48:25,677
Here we are,
816
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,013
Timothy, Dennis and me,
817
00:48:28,054 --> 00:48:31,850
finally on the plane from Beirut
818
00:48:31,891 --> 00:48:33,518
to Kabul.
819
00:48:34,894 --> 00:48:37,814
We walk into the terminal.
820
00:48:37,856 --> 00:48:42,819
This man snaps both passports
821
00:48:42,861 --> 00:48:44,863
out of Timothy's hands.
822
00:48:44,904 --> 00:48:48,199
He throws a card at us,
823
00:48:48,241 --> 00:48:51,745
and he starts
running out of the airport.
824
00:48:51,786 --> 00:48:53,663
"James Senner,
825
00:48:53,705 --> 00:48:58,501
second attaché at the Embassy
of the United States."
826
00:49:01,963 --> 00:49:05,383
It was utter shock.
827
00:49:09,846 --> 00:49:12,891
We go up to
the immigration people--
828
00:49:12,932 --> 00:49:17,395
"You can't come into
this country because you
don't have any passports."
829
00:49:18,438 --> 00:49:20,815
I'm having a fear
830
00:49:20,857 --> 00:49:23,568
like I've never had before.
831
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:25,612
Never had after.
832
00:49:27,947 --> 00:49:30,075
I put on the persona
833
00:49:30,116 --> 00:49:33,495
who threw her coat off
834
00:49:33,536 --> 00:49:36,414
in front of
the professor in Vienna--
835
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:43,463
"If you separate me
from Timothy Leary, I will die."
836
00:49:43,505 --> 00:49:45,590
I fainted on the floor
837
00:49:45,632 --> 00:49:48,843
to show him
that I meant business.
838
00:49:48,885 --> 00:49:51,846
He said, "We're not going
to separate you."
839
00:49:53,765 --> 00:49:57,519
Then we were taken
to the Plaza Hotel...
840
00:49:58,812 --> 00:50:01,106
where they put foreigners
841
00:50:01,147 --> 00:50:03,441
in the rooms
842
00:50:03,483 --> 00:50:05,902
as prisoners.
843
00:50:05,944 --> 00:50:09,280
First time I asked
to go to the toilet,
844
00:50:09,322 --> 00:50:12,617
they let Timothy come
to the toilet with me.
845
00:50:12,659 --> 00:50:14,452
He got down on his knees.
846
00:50:14,494 --> 00:50:17,497
I don't know why it still
just makes me cry today.
847
00:50:17,539 --> 00:50:21,167
It was such an act of
tenderness in that moment
848
00:50:21,209 --> 00:50:25,672
that was
frenetically terrifying,
849
00:50:25,713 --> 00:50:29,759
with Timothy getting
down on his knees,
850
00:50:29,801 --> 00:50:31,886
carefully, minutiously
851
00:50:31,928 --> 00:50:33,555
cleaning the toilet.
852
00:50:33,596 --> 00:50:35,890
I felt protected
853
00:50:35,932 --> 00:50:38,351
in this moment of horror.
854
00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:43,481
These two Afghani
secret service
855
00:50:43,523 --> 00:50:44,941
came into the room
856
00:50:44,983 --> 00:50:48,486
and they started
interrogating Timothy,
857
00:50:48,528 --> 00:50:51,948
asking him who he was.
858
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:54,117
Timothy said,
859
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:58,329
"I am not going back to the
United States without Joanna."
860
00:51:00,707 --> 00:51:02,667
And after about four days,
861
00:51:02,709 --> 00:51:06,254
they told us that we were
being taken to the airport.
862
00:51:12,051 --> 00:51:13,845
We got into this Jeep
863
00:51:13,887 --> 00:51:17,348
with the soldiers all around
with their machine guns,
864
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:19,726
and we got to the airport.
865
00:51:20,768 --> 00:51:23,354
An Indian doctor came up to me,
866
00:51:23,396 --> 00:51:27,192
presented me
with a paper that said,
867
00:51:27,233 --> 00:51:29,027
"If something happens to you,
868
00:51:29,068 --> 00:51:33,907
you will not hold the
Afghani government responsible."
869
00:51:33,948 --> 00:51:36,284
I signed that paper, yeah.
870
00:51:41,206 --> 00:51:45,710
There was a plane
of Ariana Airlines.
871
00:51:45,752 --> 00:51:47,712
We started going up the steps.
872
00:51:49,088 --> 00:51:51,174
And this man with a beard said,
873
00:51:51,216 --> 00:51:54,552
"Agent Terrence Burke,
874
00:51:54,594 --> 00:51:56,513
dope's the game.
875
00:51:56,554 --> 00:52:01,184
I've come to bring you
back to the United States."
876
00:52:01,226 --> 00:52:05,313
And he handed Timothy
an ID card.
877
00:52:05,355 --> 00:52:08,441
Profession: Philosopher.
878
00:52:10,777 --> 00:52:12,820
They put us in first class.
879
00:52:14,906 --> 00:52:16,866
Two agents in
the seats behind us,
880
00:52:16,908 --> 00:52:19,744
two agents in
the seat opposite us.
881
00:52:20,787 --> 00:52:22,914
I was so scared.
882
00:52:22,956 --> 00:52:24,415
The plane was going
to do two stops--
883
00:52:24,457 --> 00:52:25,750
Tehran, Paris.
884
00:52:25,792 --> 00:52:28,795
I obviously had
paper to write with
885
00:52:28,836 --> 00:52:30,213
and I had a pen.
886
00:52:30,255 --> 00:52:33,258
And I wrote,
"This is Dr. Timothy Leary.
887
00:52:33,299 --> 00:52:35,552
We are being kidnapped.
888
00:52:35,593 --> 00:52:38,263
Please give this
to the first authority
889
00:52:38,304 --> 00:52:41,349
that you see in
the airport in Paris."
890
00:52:41,391 --> 00:52:46,437
And I start dropping these
little papers on people's laps.
891
00:52:48,147 --> 00:52:50,733
About 15 minutes later,
892
00:52:50,775 --> 00:52:52,443
a voice came on and they said,
893
00:52:52,485 --> 00:52:56,447
"This plane is no longer
going to Paris.
894
00:52:56,489 --> 00:52:59,867
It's been diverted
to Germany."
895
00:53:01,744 --> 00:53:05,290
I'm in the hands of people
who can just deviate a plane.
896
00:53:06,958 --> 00:53:10,795
They took us
into an empty waiting room.
897
00:53:11,796 --> 00:53:13,631
And the next day,
898
00:53:13,673 --> 00:53:17,510
they pushed us
onto a plane to L.A.
899
00:53:17,552 --> 00:53:19,637
In first class.
900
00:53:21,014 --> 00:53:23,308
Well, on that flight to L.A.
901
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:25,977
was this friend of my family,
902
00:53:26,019 --> 00:53:28,187
friend of my sister,
903
00:53:28,229 --> 00:53:31,774
this fabulous playboy
who had actually been married
904
00:53:31,816 --> 00:53:34,152
to Brigitte Bardot.
905
00:53:36,362 --> 00:53:38,489
And we drank champagne.
906
00:53:41,826 --> 00:53:44,454
And we talked. And we played.
907
00:53:48,207 --> 00:53:50,335
Timothy made a pact with them,
908
00:53:50,376 --> 00:53:52,295
that they would take care of me.
909
00:53:52,337 --> 00:53:55,590
I didn't really know
what was going to happen.
910
00:53:55,632 --> 00:53:57,467
And shortly before we landed,
911
00:53:57,508 --> 00:54:00,928
he handed me his address book.
912
00:54:00,970 --> 00:54:02,680
He wrote a paper saying:
913
00:54:02,722 --> 00:54:04,307
"The right to speak for me
914
00:54:04,349 --> 00:54:07,310
I hereby lovingly give
to Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
915
00:54:07,352 --> 00:54:09,354
who is my love, my voice,
916
00:54:09,395 --> 00:54:11,356
my wisdom, my words,
917
00:54:11,397 --> 00:54:12,815
my output to the world
918
00:54:12,857 --> 00:54:15,151
for our love,
et cetera, et cetera.
919
00:54:15,193 --> 00:54:18,863
Timothy Leary,
over Montana, USA.
920
00:54:18,905 --> 00:54:21,616
January 18th, 1973."
921
00:54:27,038 --> 00:54:30,583
The day
we were brought back was
922
00:54:30,625 --> 00:54:33,002
the week the Plumbers
923
00:54:33,044 --> 00:54:35,004
got sentenced.
924
00:54:35,046 --> 00:54:38,883
It was the week of Nixon's
second inauguration.
925
00:54:40,802 --> 00:54:43,388
That was absolutely...
926
00:54:44,764 --> 00:54:46,891
calculated.
927
00:54:46,933 --> 00:54:49,268
The law and order President.
928
00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:51,270
They had been
tracking us all along.
929
00:54:51,312 --> 00:54:54,565
I mean, there's absolutely
no doubt about it.
930
00:54:56,275 --> 00:54:58,403
You see, this is why I think
931
00:54:58,444 --> 00:55:01,739
the CIA had a lot
to do with this story.
932
00:55:02,949 --> 00:55:05,201
I saw the order
933
00:55:05,243 --> 00:55:07,745
from Ehrlichman that said,
934
00:55:07,787 --> 00:55:10,081
"Capture Dr. Timothy Leary
935
00:55:10,123 --> 00:55:14,043
and return him by any means."
936
00:55:14,085 --> 00:55:15,586
He's the best man
in the world.
937
00:55:15,628 --> 00:55:17,547
He's beautiful.
He's a philosopher.
938
00:55:17,588 --> 00:55:19,424
He's got all the answers.
He's happy.
939
00:55:19,465 --> 00:55:21,718
He's happy, you understand?
He's come back--
940
00:55:21,759 --> 00:55:24,387
He's come back because
he has got things to say
941
00:55:24,429 --> 00:55:26,597
because he's a beautiful man
942
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:28,516
and because he's going
to save the world
943
00:55:28,558 --> 00:55:31,269
and because he's full of love,
and our love is perfect.
944
00:55:31,310 --> 00:55:34,063
Our love is
the most beautiful love
that's ever existed.
945
00:55:34,105 --> 00:55:35,940
I met him two months ago
in Switzerland,
946
00:55:35,982 --> 00:55:38,484
and I haven't left him
a second ever since.
947
00:55:38,526 --> 00:55:40,737
And I know nothing of his past--
948
00:55:40,778 --> 00:55:44,073
I only know that I've lived
with him day and night,
949
00:55:44,115 --> 00:55:45,908
and that he's a perfect man.
950
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:48,035
Were you with him
when he was arrested?
951
00:55:48,077 --> 00:55:50,246
-A perfect love.
- Were you
with him when he was arrested?
952
00:55:50,288 --> 00:55:52,290
Yes, sir. I was with him.
953
00:55:52,331 --> 00:55:54,542
It was totally illegal.
954
00:55:54,584 --> 00:55:58,379
One of the reasons
I contacted you
955
00:55:58,421 --> 00:56:01,090
is I think there's
still a mystery here.
956
00:56:04,594 --> 00:56:07,972
Same as in Wormwood.
957
00:56:08,014 --> 00:56:10,224
How we were manipulated.
958
00:56:11,350 --> 00:56:13,603
How I was used
959
00:56:13,644 --> 00:56:16,272
to lead Timothy Leary
960
00:56:16,314 --> 00:56:18,691
back into custody.
961
00:56:20,610 --> 00:56:22,737
And the fact that
962
00:56:22,779 --> 00:56:25,573
I don't know these things.
963
00:56:25,615 --> 00:56:29,160
I was told by Dennis
that Timothy met
964
00:56:29,202 --> 00:56:31,829
with this particular CIA agent
965
00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:34,874
from time to time
in Switzerland.
966
00:56:36,209 --> 00:56:38,544
I don't know what that means.
967
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:41,923
I'm intrigued by it,
968
00:56:41,964 --> 00:56:44,175
still, 40 years later.
969
00:56:47,929 --> 00:56:50,181
I'm not a conspiracy person,
970
00:56:50,223 --> 00:56:53,476
but it does involve my own life.
971
00:56:53,518 --> 00:56:57,730
There's another veil
that has not been uncovered
972
00:56:57,772 --> 00:57:00,525
about what was going on there.
973
00:57:00,566 --> 00:57:03,736
If you could
lift that veil, what
do you think you'd see?
974
00:57:03,778 --> 00:57:06,489
The Timothy Leary story
975
00:57:06,531 --> 00:57:10,117
is a very big political story.
976
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,371
A lot of people
have been manipulated
977
00:57:13,412 --> 00:57:15,581
to manipulate history.
978
00:57:16,916 --> 00:57:20,795
And the more
I understand this story,
979
00:57:20,837 --> 00:57:22,880
the more I understand
980
00:57:22,922 --> 00:57:26,050
that it's part of a puzzle
981
00:57:26,092 --> 00:57:29,512
that's being played out.
982
00:57:29,554 --> 00:57:32,139
The grandiosity of the people
983
00:57:32,181 --> 00:57:33,891
I grew up around
984
00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:35,726
was limitless.
985
00:57:35,768 --> 00:57:39,272
Using people as pawns
986
00:57:39,313 --> 00:57:41,858
was definitely their game.
987
00:57:45,695 --> 00:57:50,366
My step-grandfather
Arpád Plesch
988
00:57:50,408 --> 00:57:53,411
was a very,
very nasty character.
989
00:57:55,121 --> 00:57:58,875
He took money
from the Jewish people
990
00:57:58,916 --> 00:58:00,376
that he knew in Germany,
991
00:58:00,418 --> 00:58:04,505
and he hid the money in
Swiss numbered accounts,
992
00:58:04,547 --> 00:58:06,716
and then he denounced
993
00:58:06,757 --> 00:58:08,384
those people
994
00:58:08,426 --> 00:58:10,761
to the Hitler people.
995
00:58:10,803 --> 00:58:12,346
He was not a Jew, however?
996
00:58:12,388 --> 00:58:15,808
Oh, he was a Jew.
Oh, yes, he was a Jew.
997
00:58:15,850 --> 00:58:19,270
I've seen the absolute depravity
998
00:58:19,312 --> 00:58:24,108
of the people who have
the most money in this world.
999
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:25,902
And I've seen
1000
00:58:25,943 --> 00:58:28,863
how there are
no morals whatsoever.
1001
00:58:28,905 --> 00:58:30,031
None.
1002
00:58:30,072 --> 00:58:32,783
Money and power,
1003
00:58:32,825 --> 00:58:34,493
and that's it.
1004
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,249
Arpád Plesch was married
to both my mother
1005
00:58:40,291 --> 00:58:41,751
and my grandmother.
1006
00:58:43,461 --> 00:58:45,087
When my grandmother died,
1007
00:58:45,129 --> 00:58:48,215
I was taken into the garden
1008
00:58:48,257 --> 00:58:51,886
to see Grandpa marrying Mummy.
1009
00:58:53,012 --> 00:58:54,972
And that was all about money...
1010
00:58:56,891 --> 00:58:59,018
and incest.
1011
00:58:59,060 --> 00:59:03,147
Forgive me,
but how was it that
your grandmother died?
1012
00:59:03,189 --> 00:59:06,442
When my grandmother
was dying,
1013
00:59:06,484 --> 00:59:09,528
he went to get a knife
1014
00:59:09,570 --> 00:59:13,032
and he plunged into her heart.
1015
00:59:13,074 --> 00:59:16,619
I guess my step-grandfather,
stepfather,
1016
00:59:16,661 --> 00:59:20,289
considered that
it was an act of love,
1017
00:59:20,331 --> 00:59:22,333
that he would make sure
1018
00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:25,252
that his wife was dead.
1019
00:59:25,294 --> 00:59:29,090
Your story
seems like a tragedy
out of ancient Greece.
1020
00:59:30,174 --> 00:59:31,968
Well, it's true, my story.
1021
00:59:32,009 --> 00:59:35,346
It's true.
It's very strange.
1022
00:59:35,388 --> 00:59:37,682
It's absolutely true.
1023
01:00:11,507 --> 01:00:16,470
When we got brought
back to the United States,
1024
01:00:16,512 --> 01:00:21,225
I had no idea
who Timothy Leary was.
1025
01:00:21,267 --> 01:00:23,102
Guru, folk hero,
1026
01:00:23,144 --> 01:00:26,897
and political resistor.
1027
01:00:26,939 --> 01:00:30,860
Ten days after we got back,
1028
01:00:30,901 --> 01:00:36,198
I heard that
Dennis had been captured.
1029
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,660
I went to see him
at the county jail
1030
01:00:39,702 --> 01:00:41,037
because he was a link
1031
01:00:41,078 --> 01:00:44,123
with that incredible
time in Europe.
1032
01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:51,380
Dennis said, "I'll be
getting out in a few days.
1033
01:00:51,422 --> 01:00:53,007
I'll meet up with you.
1034
01:00:53,049 --> 01:00:55,342
I'll instruct you
about the whole story--
1035
01:00:55,384 --> 01:00:58,345
who are the villains,
who are the good people."
1036
01:00:59,972 --> 01:01:02,349
All that was a setup.
1037
01:01:04,435 --> 01:01:06,979
Timothy had given me
his address book
1038
01:01:07,021 --> 01:01:10,900
with every name
you could imagine
1039
01:01:10,941 --> 01:01:13,944
and said, "Talk to
these people and free me."
1040
01:01:16,697 --> 01:01:18,866
It was an amazing puzzle.
1041
01:01:20,993 --> 01:01:22,661
This is Folsom prison.
1042
01:01:22,703 --> 01:01:25,831
It holds at
the present time 1,800 men.
1043
01:01:25,873 --> 01:01:27,958
One of them is Timothy Leary.
1044
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,003
He was brought here
after four months
in solitary confinement
1045
01:01:31,045 --> 01:01:34,340
at California Men's Colony
in San Luis Obispo.
1046
01:01:34,381 --> 01:01:37,051
I am Joanna Leary,
and I'd like to see him
1047
01:01:37,093 --> 01:01:38,886
out of here
as quick as possible.
1048
01:01:40,096 --> 01:01:42,389
I wrote him every day,
1049
01:01:42,431 --> 01:01:44,225
and he wrote me every day.
1050
01:01:46,811 --> 01:01:49,730
I coated stamps in acid.
1051
01:01:49,772 --> 01:01:51,774
He knew
1052
01:01:51,816 --> 01:01:53,484
what was on the stamp.
1053
01:01:53,526 --> 01:01:58,656
And then I put these tiny,
little acid
1054
01:01:58,697 --> 01:02:00,407
in my belly button.
1055
01:02:00,449 --> 01:02:03,327
You see, I have an innie,
1056
01:02:03,369 --> 01:02:06,580
and I never knew how
useful it would become.
1057
01:02:08,124 --> 01:02:10,334
We were allowed to embrace
1058
01:02:10,376 --> 01:02:13,921
in the beginning
and at the end of the visit.
1059
01:02:17,091 --> 01:02:19,343
And I had taken mine
1060
01:02:19,385 --> 01:02:21,846
about ten minutes before.
1061
01:02:21,887 --> 01:02:23,222
When we were kissing,
1062
01:02:23,264 --> 01:02:26,684
I put my hand
up towards his mouth
1063
01:02:26,725 --> 01:02:28,686
and then I put it in.
1064
01:02:28,727 --> 01:02:31,814
We were both... tripping
1065
01:02:31,856 --> 01:02:33,899
at Folsom prison.
1066
01:02:33,941 --> 01:02:36,318
It was orgasmic.
1067
01:02:43,033 --> 01:02:46,620
My mother
came to Folsom prison
1068
01:02:46,662 --> 01:02:49,832
in her Chanel coat.
1069
01:02:49,874 --> 01:02:53,460
She's got her Nancy Reagan
super-coiffed hair.
1070
01:02:53,502 --> 01:02:55,379
She's got her high heels.
1071
01:02:57,882 --> 01:03:00,134
And her very red nails.
1072
01:03:00,176 --> 01:03:01,719
She was fine.
1073
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,971
I mean, they frisked her.
1074
01:03:04,013 --> 01:03:05,347
They took her ID.
1075
01:03:05,389 --> 01:03:09,476
And we went down
to the visiting room.
1076
01:03:09,518 --> 01:03:12,688
They greeted each other
like they were
1077
01:03:12,730 --> 01:03:15,232
the oldest of friends.
1078
01:03:15,274 --> 01:03:18,444
Timothy got down on his knees
1079
01:03:18,485 --> 01:03:20,404
in Folsom Prison,
1080
01:03:20,446 --> 01:03:24,575
and he asked my mother
for my hand.
1081
01:03:24,617 --> 01:03:28,120
She told him how crazy
she thought I was.
1082
01:03:28,162 --> 01:03:29,872
I thought that
there's my mother,
1083
01:03:29,914 --> 01:03:32,291
jealous of my lovers again.
1084
01:03:33,959 --> 01:03:38,088
Timothy looked
quite like my father,
1085
01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:42,218
Lieutenant Commander
Cecil Harcourt-Smith.
1086
01:03:43,219 --> 01:03:45,763
My mother was just
1087
01:03:45,804 --> 01:03:48,557
gaga about him.
1088
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:50,768
Were you
jealous of your mother?
1089
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:53,771
At that moment,
was I jealous of my mother?
1090
01:03:54,813 --> 01:03:56,273
Wow.
1091
01:03:56,315 --> 01:03:59,610
I probably was, terribly!
1092
01:03:59,652 --> 01:04:01,612
I was going to ask you
the generic question,
1093
01:04:01,654 --> 01:04:04,448
What did you learn about sex
from your mother?
1094
01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:07,284
She said that
I had to be very careful
1095
01:04:07,326 --> 01:04:09,578
because when you have sex,
1096
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:12,248
you could get syphilis.
1097
01:04:12,289 --> 01:04:16,627
Oh, she didn't tell me
I could get pregnant!
1098
01:04:16,669 --> 01:04:18,629
I take it
you didn't get syphilis,
1099
01:04:18,671 --> 01:04:19,964
but you did get pregnant.
1100
01:04:20,005 --> 01:04:21,298
Yeah.
1101
01:04:22,508 --> 01:04:23,926
A lot.
1102
01:04:25,052 --> 01:04:28,305
I had to go to her and say,
1103
01:04:28,347 --> 01:04:30,307
"I don't understand.
1104
01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:32,476
My tummy's getting bigger.
1105
01:04:32,518 --> 01:04:34,645
I'm feeling sick.
1106
01:04:34,687 --> 01:04:36,605
I don't know what's happening."
1107
01:04:36,647 --> 01:04:39,191
She took me to a doctor
and they took blood,
1108
01:04:39,233 --> 01:04:42,319
and it turned out
I was pregnant.
1109
01:04:42,361 --> 01:04:45,447
I was 15. There was
absolutely no question
1110
01:04:45,489 --> 01:04:47,408
that I was going
to have that child,
1111
01:04:47,449 --> 01:04:50,577
I mean, none whatsoever.
1112
01:04:50,619 --> 01:04:53,497
And then they took me in,
and they took my baby.
1113
01:04:57,710 --> 01:05:00,504
I think I was never
the same again.
1114
01:05:02,715 --> 01:05:04,925
So after that...
1115
01:05:08,345 --> 01:05:11,348
I was in full seduction mode.
1116
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:16,186
I had to have eight men
at a time to be content.
1117
01:05:16,228 --> 01:05:18,856
Now, I wasn't having sex
with eight men,
1118
01:05:18,897 --> 01:05:23,527
but I had to have eight
major admirers.
1119
01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:26,363
At night in my bed,
I would count them.
1120
01:05:26,405 --> 01:05:29,825
Made me feel warm,
made me feel safe.
1121
01:05:29,867 --> 01:05:31,535
Made me feel wanted.
1122
01:05:33,245 --> 01:05:34,872
This is Helen Koblin,
1123
01:05:34,913 --> 01:05:37,416
and with me is
Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
1124
01:05:37,458 --> 01:05:40,711
Timothy Leary's woman.
She's trying to help Timothy.
1125
01:05:40,753 --> 01:05:44,256
He's sitting in the
solitary confinement cell
1126
01:05:44,298 --> 01:05:46,592
just sending out
energy and love
1127
01:05:46,633 --> 01:05:49,762
to whoever wants
to receive it.
1128
01:06:39,478 --> 01:06:42,731
I had a studio
1129
01:06:42,773 --> 01:06:44,983
under Coit Tower
1130
01:06:45,025 --> 01:06:47,403
in San Francisco.
1131
01:06:47,444 --> 01:06:49,613
Francis Ford Coppola
1132
01:06:49,655 --> 01:06:51,657
gave me an office
1133
01:06:51,698 --> 01:06:54,535
above the Little Fox Theater,
1134
01:06:54,576 --> 01:06:58,330
the Starseed Information Center.
1135
01:06:59,832 --> 01:07:03,168
We'd hatch these crazy projects
1136
01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:05,921
to get Timothy out of prison.
1137
01:07:07,923 --> 01:07:10,801
We'll get a helicopter.
1138
01:07:10,843 --> 01:07:14,638
I will be naked
1139
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,765
with black gloves.
1140
01:07:16,807 --> 01:07:18,725
We'll have this huge
1141
01:07:18,767 --> 01:07:21,979
speakers blasting out
1142
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:24,064
The Dark Side of the Moon.
1143
01:07:24,106 --> 01:07:26,817
It would make the guards
1144
01:07:26,859 --> 01:07:28,318
completely numb.
1145
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,238
And so we'd pick Timothy
out of the yard,
1146
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,949
take him into the helicopter.
1147
01:07:33,991 --> 01:07:36,910
We'd go to the mountains nearby.
1148
01:07:36,952 --> 01:07:39,329
There would be a whole militia
1149
01:07:39,371 --> 01:07:41,665
that would surround us.
1150
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:46,503
Also, the Starseed
Information Center
1151
01:07:46,545 --> 01:07:48,839
is from where I published
1152
01:07:48,881 --> 01:07:51,049
five of Timothy's books.
1153
01:07:54,970 --> 01:07:59,975
We felt that as long
as he could write books,
1154
01:08:00,017 --> 01:08:02,561
his mind would
not be imprisoned.
1155
01:08:04,313 --> 01:08:07,566
He would send them to me
in letter form.
1156
01:08:07,608 --> 01:08:09,109
"My darling wife,
1157
01:08:09,151 --> 01:08:10,986
I miss you more
than life itself.
1158
01:08:11,028 --> 01:08:15,365
The seven circuits
of the human brain are,
1159
01:08:15,407 --> 01:08:17,701
one, blah, blah, blah. Two."
1160
01:08:22,706 --> 01:08:24,291
When I was broke,
1161
01:08:24,333 --> 01:08:28,170
I would stand on
Telegraph Avenue
1162
01:08:28,212 --> 01:08:30,005
and I'd sell my books.
1163
01:08:31,715 --> 01:08:34,218
Morning has broken
1164
01:08:34,259 --> 01:08:39,056
Like the first morning...
1165
01:08:39,097 --> 01:08:43,936
One day somebody
introduced me to this man
1166
01:08:43,977 --> 01:08:46,104
we called Franklin,
1167
01:08:46,146 --> 01:08:50,234
because he always had a lot
of hundred-dollar bills.
1168
01:08:50,275 --> 01:08:54,404
He made this acid that
in those days was called
1169
01:08:54,446 --> 01:08:56,406
Clear Light.
1170
01:08:56,448 --> 01:08:58,992
He would give me these vials,
1171
01:08:59,034 --> 01:09:00,494
and I'd go around town,
1172
01:09:00,536 --> 01:09:03,080
and I'd give acid to everybody.
1173
01:09:03,121 --> 01:09:04,957
Like, I'd go to the bank,
1174
01:09:04,998 --> 01:09:06,833
and I would give them some acid.
1175
01:09:06,875 --> 01:09:08,544
And I kid you not,
1176
01:09:08,585 --> 01:09:10,879
they were not at the bank
the following week.
1177
01:09:12,839 --> 01:09:17,594
One day, Franklin asked me if
I'd take an acid trip with him.
1178
01:09:18,804 --> 01:09:21,515
And then he took me out to this
1179
01:09:21,557 --> 01:09:23,934
house on the beach.
1180
01:09:23,976 --> 01:09:25,936
All that was
in the living room
1181
01:09:25,978 --> 01:09:28,605
was a king-sized bed...
1182
01:09:29,815 --> 01:09:34,361
with a huge American flag on it.
1183
01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:37,614
When the time came
to take the acid...
1184
01:09:38,824 --> 01:09:42,411
I put it on my tongue.
1185
01:09:42,452 --> 01:09:45,581
He did the same thing,
put it on my tongue.
1186
01:09:45,622 --> 01:09:47,332
He licked my tongue,
1187
01:09:47,374 --> 01:09:48,792
I licked his tongue.
1188
01:09:48,834 --> 01:09:54,172
I lay down on
that American flag.
1189
01:09:54,214 --> 01:09:56,633
I was very, very,
very freaked out.
1190
01:09:58,468 --> 01:10:00,429
Franklin was meditating.
1191
01:10:00,470 --> 01:10:04,725
He wasn't really
into having sex,
1192
01:10:04,766 --> 01:10:06,977
which surprised me a lot.
1193
01:10:07,019 --> 01:10:10,188
But then I went out
on the beach.
1194
01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:12,316
There was this bell...
1195
01:10:13,817 --> 01:10:16,528
...going back and forth,
1196
01:10:16,570 --> 01:10:19,531
and a voice came on.
1197
01:10:19,573 --> 01:10:22,409
It was the voice of my mother.
1198
01:10:22,451 --> 01:10:25,829
She was telling me something
that was really important.
1199
01:10:25,871 --> 01:10:27,873
She was saying,
1200
01:10:27,914 --> 01:10:31,918
"You're playing, you're acting,
you're exaggerating."
1201
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,338
In that moment
I realized she was right,
1202
01:10:34,379 --> 01:10:36,757
that I was playing a role
1203
01:10:36,798 --> 01:10:38,925
'cause I was afraid.
1204
01:10:40,969 --> 01:10:43,180
After the trip,
1205
01:10:43,221 --> 01:10:45,015
I said to Franklin,
1206
01:10:45,057 --> 01:10:47,768
"Is there anything
that you need?"
1207
01:10:47,809 --> 01:10:51,104
"Well, I really need
seven pounds
1208
01:10:51,146 --> 01:10:52,689
of ergotamine
1209
01:10:52,731 --> 01:10:56,193
for my next LSD batch."
1210
01:10:56,234 --> 01:11:00,364
My diabolical mind went
into action immediately--
1211
01:11:00,405 --> 01:11:02,532
"Dr. Schwitzhund
1212
01:11:02,574 --> 01:11:05,661
definitely has ergotamine."
1213
01:11:05,702 --> 01:11:07,162
How did you know this?
1214
01:11:07,204 --> 01:11:10,666
Well, I didn't know this.
I was lying.
1215
01:11:10,707 --> 01:11:12,876
I was lying!
1216
01:11:12,918 --> 01:11:15,587
He said, "Well,
how much would it cost?"
1217
01:11:15,629 --> 01:11:17,923
"$10,000 a pound."
1218
01:11:17,964 --> 01:11:20,926
He said,
"Fine, get it for me."
1219
01:11:20,967 --> 01:11:25,055
Dennis,
the sorcerer's apprentice,
1220
01:11:25,097 --> 01:11:29,017
told me that
the dope dealer trick is
1221
01:11:29,059 --> 01:11:31,436
to get two adjoining rooms,
1222
01:11:31,478 --> 01:11:35,232
and then you get a room
three floors up.
1223
01:11:35,273 --> 01:11:38,944
You give them the key,
1224
01:11:38,985 --> 01:11:41,321
and then you tell them
to go upstairs
1225
01:11:41,363 --> 01:11:43,240
and get the merchandise.
1226
01:11:43,281 --> 01:11:45,033
They'll come back to the room,
1227
01:11:45,075 --> 01:11:47,577
but you're already
in the adjoining room.
1228
01:11:49,955 --> 01:11:52,416
I loved Franklin,
1229
01:11:52,457 --> 01:11:58,088
but I desperately needed
the money to free Timothy.
1230
01:11:58,130 --> 01:12:01,675
I got a beautiful
little Halliburton suitcase.
1231
01:12:01,717 --> 01:12:04,845
Timothy had given me
this exquisite
1232
01:12:04,886 --> 01:12:08,598
gold tantric ring.
1233
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,268
I put all those things
in the suitcase.
1234
01:12:13,353 --> 01:12:16,273
One fine day,
1235
01:12:16,314 --> 01:12:19,693
I made an appointment with him
at this hotel on the wharf.
1236
01:12:22,154 --> 01:12:24,948
In the elevator I said to him,
1237
01:12:24,990 --> 01:12:28,160
"Shall we just go
to that room and make love?"
1238
01:12:28,201 --> 01:12:31,121
Was this
just to trick him or--
1239
01:12:31,163 --> 01:12:35,625
No! It was the opposite
of tricking him.
1240
01:12:35,667 --> 01:12:38,795
If we'd made love, I probably
wouldn't have tricked him.
1241
01:12:38,837 --> 01:12:41,798
And who was waiting
in the room next door?
1242
01:12:43,091 --> 01:12:44,760
Dennis.
1243
01:12:46,303 --> 01:12:48,221
Machiavellian Dennis.
1244
01:12:50,474 --> 01:12:55,437
And you would
have made love to Franklin
with Dennis listening?
1245
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,315
Franklin was more important
to me than Dennis.
1246
01:13:00,650 --> 01:13:03,487
So we went to the room,
1247
01:13:03,528 --> 01:13:06,490
and he gave me
this little accordion folder
1248
01:13:06,531 --> 01:13:08,617
with $10,000
1249
01:13:08,658 --> 01:13:10,994
in each space.
1250
01:13:11,036 --> 01:13:12,412
And then after a while,
1251
01:13:12,454 --> 01:13:13,955
my lookout told me
1252
01:13:13,997 --> 01:13:17,000
that he had left the building.
1253
01:13:17,042 --> 01:13:20,462
It was late at night by then.
1254
01:13:20,504 --> 01:13:22,839
And I had somebody drive me
1255
01:13:22,881 --> 01:13:24,841
to Mill Valley
1256
01:13:24,883 --> 01:13:26,510
to this lawyer,
1257
01:13:26,551 --> 01:13:28,678
and I knocked like crazy.
1258
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,431
When he opened up,
he was in his robe and...
1259
01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:36,186
I sat at the kitchen table
with him.
1260
01:13:39,731 --> 01:13:42,317
And I threw the money
on the table.
1261
01:13:43,652 --> 01:13:45,737
"Can you get him out now?"
1262
01:13:47,364 --> 01:13:49,950
And he said to me, "No,
1263
01:13:49,991 --> 01:13:53,036
it's not a question of money.
1264
01:13:53,078 --> 01:13:55,372
He's a political prisoner."
1265
01:13:57,582 --> 01:13:59,876
Most of the men
that I model myself after
1266
01:13:59,918 --> 01:14:02,712
have been lucky
if they got away with, uh,
1267
01:14:02,754 --> 01:14:04,881
just being in prison
1268
01:14:04,923 --> 01:14:07,384
for their ideas.
1269
01:15:01,104 --> 01:15:04,065
Dennis is
insinuating himself more
1270
01:15:04,107 --> 01:15:05,817
and more
into all of this, no?
1271
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:09,946
I have pain about it, but...
1272
01:15:09,988 --> 01:15:12,782
may that be present
with us as well.
1273
01:15:12,824 --> 01:15:15,118
I was taking a lot of cocaine.
1274
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,953
Dennis was providing it.
1275
01:15:16,995 --> 01:15:19,623
I was smoking
a lot of cannabis.
1276
01:15:19,664 --> 01:15:22,292
I was drinking
a lot of alcohol.
1277
01:15:22,334 --> 01:15:23,960
On some days I would just
1278
01:15:24,002 --> 01:15:26,630
lie in my--
in my studio,
1279
01:15:26,671 --> 01:15:29,424
watch the Watergate hearings,
1280
01:15:29,466 --> 01:15:33,345
and hope that
something might change.
1281
01:15:33,386 --> 01:15:35,430
But as the case progressed,
it became obvious
1282
01:15:35,472 --> 01:15:36,932
that there were higher-ups,
1283
01:15:36,973 --> 01:15:39,142
men who ordered
the bugging operations
1284
01:15:39,184 --> 01:15:40,727
and who paid for it.
1285
01:15:40,769 --> 01:15:42,228
And now it takes a scorecard
1286
01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:44,606
to keep track
of those connected with it
1287
01:15:44,648 --> 01:15:47,442
in one way or another.
1288
01:15:47,484 --> 01:15:49,611
Timothy always said that
1289
01:15:49,653 --> 01:15:51,529
his imprisonment
1290
01:15:51,571 --> 01:15:54,449
would be harder for me
than for him.
1291
01:15:54,491 --> 01:15:58,411
Needless for me to say
to you that, um,
1292
01:15:58,453 --> 01:16:00,288
I was very sensual.
1293
01:16:00,330 --> 01:16:02,540
I was 27 years old.
1294
01:16:03,667 --> 01:16:06,461
I had shared with Timothy
1295
01:16:06,503 --> 01:16:09,506
that I was going to have sex.
1296
01:16:09,547 --> 01:16:13,259
It was the time of free love,
1297
01:16:13,301 --> 01:16:16,221
and he was the bishop
of free love.
1298
01:16:18,223 --> 01:16:21,226
I imagined myself
as Scheherazade.
1299
01:16:23,019 --> 01:16:25,480
I wouldn't tell him
who it was,
1300
01:16:25,522 --> 01:16:27,190
but I'd describe
1301
01:16:27,232 --> 01:16:31,111
how I'd made love
with another person.
1302
01:16:31,152 --> 01:16:33,321
One time it might be a woman,
1303
01:16:33,363 --> 01:16:35,573
one time it was a hermaphrodite.
1304
01:16:37,242 --> 01:16:40,286
Dennis was one of the people
I had sex with.
1305
01:16:42,664 --> 01:16:45,333
After a while,
he said to me that
1306
01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:49,170
he was working as an informant
for the government.
1307
01:16:49,212 --> 01:16:52,048
Timothy should get out that way
1308
01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:56,302
because he won't get out
any other way.
1309
01:16:56,344 --> 01:17:00,223
I passed on that information
to him a couple of times.
1310
01:17:00,265 --> 01:17:02,642
I had no idea
of the implications.
1311
01:17:02,684 --> 01:17:04,144
Really?
1312
01:17:04,185 --> 01:17:06,688
None!
1313
01:17:06,730 --> 01:17:10,567
You have to understand
how incredibly naive I was.
1314
01:17:12,152 --> 01:17:14,863
I always wondered why
1315
01:17:14,904 --> 01:17:19,325
one Thursday I went
to see him at Vacaville
1316
01:17:19,367 --> 01:17:21,244
and he said,
1317
01:17:21,286 --> 01:17:25,081
"Send a telegram to the FBI
1318
01:17:25,123 --> 01:17:28,043
and tell them
I'm ready to cooperate."
1319
01:17:28,084 --> 01:17:30,045
People have accused me
1320
01:17:30,086 --> 01:17:32,756
of being the one
who made him do it.
1321
01:17:34,132 --> 01:17:36,676
That's impossible.
1322
01:17:36,718 --> 01:17:39,721
That's the story
of The Blue Angel,
1323
01:17:39,763 --> 01:17:42,223
the sexy singer
1324
01:17:42,265 --> 01:17:45,852
who perverts the professor.
1325
01:17:45,894 --> 01:17:47,479
No!
1326
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,440
That's ridiculous!
1327
01:17:53,026 --> 01:17:54,903
I was like
Alice in Wonderland.
1328
01:17:54,944 --> 01:17:58,239
I didn't have
any point of reference.
1329
01:17:59,365 --> 01:18:01,701
I didn't realize
1330
01:18:01,743 --> 01:18:04,329
how alien I was.
1331
01:18:06,331 --> 01:18:08,625
To Allen Ginsberg,
1332
01:18:08,666 --> 01:18:11,169
I was not fit
1333
01:18:11,211 --> 01:18:13,630
to be the next acid queen.
1334
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,928
By then I was living
in Mill Valley.
1335
01:18:22,764 --> 01:18:25,558
I sent this telegram
1336
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,894
to the FBI:
1337
01:18:27,936 --> 01:18:31,481
"Timothy ready
to cooperate with government."
1338
01:18:31,523 --> 01:18:34,317
Couple of days after that,
1339
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:37,737
FBI agents came from Chicago
1340
01:18:37,779 --> 01:18:41,908
because that's where they were
searching for the Weathermen.
1341
01:18:41,950 --> 01:18:47,122
And they knew
that Timothy was connected
to the Weathermen.
1342
01:18:47,163 --> 01:18:50,667
They had helped him
escape from prison.
1343
01:18:51,835 --> 01:18:53,837
They brought me in.
1344
01:18:53,878 --> 01:18:56,047
He asked me if I'd be willing
1345
01:18:56,089 --> 01:19:00,301
to work for his release.
1346
01:19:00,343 --> 01:19:04,973
There was no limits
to my stand-by-your-man.
1347
01:19:05,014 --> 01:19:08,268
No limits.
1348
01:19:08,309 --> 01:19:11,312
By then we had been
talking of having a baby.
1349
01:19:11,354 --> 01:19:13,940
We had named the baby.
1350
01:19:13,982 --> 01:19:15,358
What was the name?
1351
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,651
It was going to be a girl,
1352
01:19:16,693 --> 01:19:19,195
and her name was going
to be Chrysalis.
1353
01:19:20,822 --> 01:19:23,658
No abbreviation to Chrys.
1354
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:25,285
Chrysalis.
1355
01:19:25,326 --> 01:19:27,162
You have to know that after
1356
01:19:27,203 --> 01:19:29,455
visiting your man in prison
1357
01:19:29,497 --> 01:19:32,834
and seeing how
all appeals were refused.
1358
01:19:32,876 --> 01:19:35,795
Lawyers didn't know
how to get him out.
1359
01:19:38,423 --> 01:19:41,718
I would do anything,
anything at all.
1360
01:19:43,219 --> 01:19:45,138
The DEA had me
1361
01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:48,516
completely at their mercy.
1362
01:19:48,558 --> 01:19:51,895
They used me as Mata Hari.
1363
01:19:51,936 --> 01:19:53,855
They used me to go after
1364
01:19:53,897 --> 01:19:56,149
the counterculture lawyers.
1365
01:19:56,191 --> 01:19:59,903
Call being made by SR14X037
to George Chula's office.
1366
01:20:18,254 --> 01:20:19,797
So, I had dinner with him.
1367
01:20:19,839 --> 01:20:23,051
I asked him if the next time
we got together
1368
01:20:23,092 --> 01:20:25,428
he could bring me
a gram of cocaine.
1369
01:20:26,638 --> 01:20:29,724
And when we had dinner,
I was wired.
1370
01:20:29,766 --> 01:20:32,518
They put a box on my leg,
1371
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,939
chose very sexy clothes for me,
1372
01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:39,484
and they recorded
the conversation.
1373
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:43,947
I behaved very femme fatale,
1374
01:20:45,114 --> 01:20:47,533
extremely flirtatious,
1375
01:20:47,575 --> 01:20:48,952
seductive,
1376
01:20:48,993 --> 01:20:52,080
and dangerous.
1377
01:20:52,121 --> 01:20:55,166
You can have me,
but you can't keep me.
1378
01:21:35,707 --> 01:21:40,503
And it was kind of the same
thing as with Franklin.
1379
01:21:40,545 --> 01:21:44,841
They got two rooms
at the Disneyland Hotel.
1380
01:21:44,882 --> 01:21:47,010
In one room, they had
all their machines
1381
01:21:47,051 --> 01:21:48,928
and setups and all of that.
1382
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:53,266
I was supposed to receive
Chula in the other room.
1383
01:21:53,308 --> 01:21:55,268
He said to me on the phone
1384
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:58,313
he stopped somewhere,
1385
01:21:58,354 --> 01:22:00,690
and a lifeguard on the beach
1386
01:22:00,732 --> 01:22:03,860
said to him that
he had a walkie-talkie...
1387
01:22:04,902 --> 01:22:06,863
and there were federal agents,
1388
01:22:06,904 --> 01:22:09,490
and they were having
an incredible conversation
1389
01:22:09,532 --> 01:22:11,743
about how they
were going to bust him.
1390
01:22:13,786 --> 01:22:17,081
And this
lifeguard on the beach
1391
01:22:17,123 --> 01:22:20,209
had picked up the signal,
1392
01:22:20,251 --> 01:22:22,211
and they were overjubilant
1393
01:22:22,253 --> 01:22:26,341
that they were going to arrest
Timothy Leary's lawyer.
1394
01:22:26,382 --> 01:22:28,843
So in the end, he never came.
1395
01:22:30,636 --> 01:22:34,265
But on the night that
we were at the restaurant,
1396
01:22:34,307 --> 01:22:37,602
he had given me
a little cocaine,
1397
01:22:37,643 --> 01:22:40,938
and I turned that over
to the agents.
1398
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:43,399
The main agent's name was
1399
01:22:43,441 --> 01:22:46,694
Donald E. Strange.
1400
01:22:46,736 --> 01:22:49,072
This is Dr. Timothy Leary.
1401
01:22:49,113 --> 01:22:50,323
How are you?
1402
01:22:50,365 --> 01:22:51,866
Hello, Don.
1403
01:22:51,908 --> 01:22:54,243
We're going to talk
a little bit about, uh,
1404
01:22:54,285 --> 01:22:57,830
Dr. Leary and the things
he's been doing, uh,
1405
01:22:57,872 --> 01:23:00,041
since 1960.
1406
01:23:00,083 --> 01:23:02,668
And just how he--
1407
01:23:02,710 --> 01:23:05,338
he came to the Drug
Enforcement Administration.
1408
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:08,091
Well, I had been away
from the United States
1409
01:23:08,132 --> 01:23:10,343
for about
two-and-a-half years.
1410
01:23:10,385 --> 01:23:12,428
And when the plane landed
1411
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:14,263
on the Los Angeles runway,
1412
01:23:14,305 --> 01:23:16,265
the first person
I met was Don Strange,
1413
01:23:16,307 --> 01:23:19,102
who welcomed me
with handcuffs.
1414
01:23:19,143 --> 01:23:20,561
I felt basically relieved
1415
01:23:20,603 --> 01:23:21,938
uh, to be back.
1416
01:23:21,979 --> 01:23:24,148
I felt that the work
I had to do
1417
01:23:24,190 --> 01:23:27,568
and the process
of reconciliation
1418
01:23:27,610 --> 01:23:30,613
and of dialogue of
constructive activity
1419
01:23:30,655 --> 01:23:32,115
that had to be done
1420
01:23:32,156 --> 01:23:33,783
was going
to take place here.
1421
01:23:38,663 --> 01:23:40,498
They moved Timothy
1422
01:23:40,540 --> 01:23:45,294
to the rural prison
1423
01:23:45,336 --> 01:23:47,839
near Sacramento.
1424
01:23:49,465 --> 01:23:53,719
I wasn't allowed to go
out of my apartment,
1425
01:23:53,761 --> 01:23:57,140
except with a federal agent.
1426
01:23:57,181 --> 01:24:00,560
They said that
it was dangerous for me.
1427
01:24:02,019 --> 01:24:04,981
They decided they
should change my name.
1428
01:24:06,482 --> 01:24:07,942
So one day,
1429
01:24:07,984 --> 01:24:10,820
this big,
tall U.S. Marshal said,
1430
01:24:10,862 --> 01:24:13,448
"Now your name
from now on will be
1431
01:24:13,489 --> 01:24:16,576
Virginia Church."
1432
01:24:16,617 --> 01:24:18,578
What was Leary's name?
1433
01:24:18,619 --> 01:24:20,079
Charlie Thrush.
1434
01:24:21,372 --> 01:24:23,666
And they published in Newsweek
1435
01:24:23,708 --> 01:24:27,503
that Timothy
had became a snitch,
1436
01:24:27,545 --> 01:24:29,881
a government informant.
1437
01:24:31,549 --> 01:24:33,634
I thought--
1438
01:24:33,676 --> 01:24:38,181
I was trying to get
Timothy out of prison,
1439
01:24:38,222 --> 01:24:42,143
but they used me
to discredit him.
1440
01:24:42,185 --> 01:24:45,354
This is a press
conference that I wish
1441
01:24:45,396 --> 01:24:46,981
was not taking place.
1442
01:24:47,023 --> 01:24:49,817
It is a symptom
of the credibility crisis
1443
01:24:49,859 --> 01:24:52,653
in America
symbolized by Watergate
1444
01:24:52,695 --> 01:24:56,282
and President Ford's
pardoning of Richard Nixon.
1445
01:24:56,324 --> 01:24:58,743
There's a straight line
between Watergate
1446
01:24:58,784 --> 01:25:00,286
and Timothy Leary.
1447
01:25:00,328 --> 01:25:02,705
The very same
Justice Department
1448
01:25:02,747 --> 01:25:06,042
has both forced and persuaded
1449
01:25:06,083 --> 01:25:09,128
Timothy Leary
to lie and fabricate
1450
01:25:09,170 --> 01:25:12,298
elaborate stories
to get out of jail.
1451
01:25:12,340 --> 01:25:15,051
Leary's new girlfriend,
Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
1452
01:25:15,092 --> 01:25:18,721
declared that Leary
would not remain in prison.
1453
01:25:18,763 --> 01:25:20,723
Harcourt-Smith said
that Leary was willing
1454
01:25:20,765 --> 01:25:22,975
to make a deal
with the government.
1455
01:25:23,017 --> 01:25:26,854
When Timothy
was in this rural prison,
1456
01:25:26,896 --> 01:25:29,023
they moved me from the apartment
1457
01:25:29,065 --> 01:25:31,150
into the home
1458
01:25:31,192 --> 01:25:33,528
of the U.S. Marshal--
1459
01:25:33,569 --> 01:25:37,240
Art Van Court
and his wife Marcia.
1460
01:25:37,281 --> 01:25:42,119
Although they're keeping me
in protective custody,
1461
01:25:42,161 --> 01:25:45,498
it felt kind of good
to have home-cooked meals
1462
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:47,750
and be with a regular family.
1463
01:25:49,418 --> 01:25:54,173
One day, I went to see
Timothy at the small jail,
1464
01:25:54,215 --> 01:25:58,177
and as we were embracing,
he whispered,
1465
01:25:58,219 --> 01:25:59,554
"G-U-N."
1466
01:25:59,595 --> 01:26:02,473
Because what if
they read his lips?
1467
01:26:04,475 --> 01:26:06,727
I said to Dennis,
1468
01:26:06,769 --> 01:26:09,605
"Where can I find a gun?"
1469
01:26:09,647 --> 01:26:12,108
He took me to this garage...
1470
01:26:13,150 --> 01:26:15,361
just like in the movies.
1471
01:26:15,403 --> 01:26:19,407
Greasy man with his jumpsuit.
1472
01:26:19,448 --> 01:26:22,201
I thought I had
to play the game,
1473
01:26:22,243 --> 01:26:24,954
and I sat on his lap.
1474
01:26:24,996 --> 01:26:27,707
I gave him $100,
1475
01:26:27,748 --> 01:26:30,001
and he gave me a little gun.
1476
01:26:31,168 --> 01:26:32,795
I couldn't take it anymore--
1477
01:26:32,837 --> 01:26:34,463
the snitching
1478
01:26:34,505 --> 01:26:36,299
and the setting people up.
1479
01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:39,468
I was ready to kill everybody.
1480
01:26:40,928 --> 01:26:45,391
In the beginning,
when Timothy escaped,
1481
01:26:45,433 --> 01:26:49,520
the Weathermen took him
to a safe house
1482
01:26:49,562 --> 01:26:51,480
in Oregon.
1483
01:26:51,522 --> 01:26:55,359
The FBI wanted
Timothy to show them
1484
01:26:55,401 --> 01:26:58,654
where the safe house was.
1485
01:26:58,696 --> 01:27:01,574
And we had to drive
through San Francisco,
1486
01:27:01,616 --> 01:27:03,284
I don't know why.
1487
01:27:04,243 --> 01:27:06,662
And all of a sudden,
1488
01:27:06,704 --> 01:27:10,124
this huge .357 Magnum
1489
01:27:10,166 --> 01:27:13,336
comes floating under the seat,
1490
01:27:13,377 --> 01:27:16,130
right to Timothy's foot.
1491
01:27:16,172 --> 01:27:19,008
And I thought,
"This is meant to be."
1492
01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:20,801
Now we have two guns,
1493
01:27:20,843 --> 01:27:22,428
and we're going to be free.
1494
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:29,393
And he was reading
the San Francisco Chronicle.
1495
01:27:33,397 --> 01:27:34,940
And he wrapped the gun up,
1496
01:27:34,982 --> 01:27:38,110
and he handed it
back over to the agent.
1497
01:27:38,152 --> 01:27:39,987
Somehow I realized that
1498
01:27:40,029 --> 01:27:42,281
this was just a dream,
1499
01:27:42,323 --> 01:27:44,533
a crazy, maniac,
1500
01:27:44,575 --> 01:27:46,535
insane dream.
1501
01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:53,376
So we proceeded
through the forests of Oregon.
1502
01:27:53,417 --> 01:27:55,169
We got out of the car
1503
01:27:55,211 --> 01:27:56,587
and Timothy said to me,
1504
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:59,799
"Do you realize
that if we kill them,
1505
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,511
we'll have to kill
everybody we meet
1506
01:28:03,552 --> 01:28:05,388
until they kill us."
1507
01:28:05,429 --> 01:28:08,099
And at that moment,
I lifted my head
1508
01:28:08,140 --> 01:28:11,686
and the FBI agent
was right in front of us.
1509
01:28:11,727 --> 01:28:14,397
And he said,
1510
01:28:14,438 --> 01:28:17,066
"Do you mind if I shoot you?"
1511
01:28:22,905 --> 01:28:25,741
Did you ever find
the Weathermen house?
1512
01:28:28,119 --> 01:28:29,954
I don't remember.
1513
01:28:32,248 --> 01:28:34,417
At some point,
1514
01:28:34,458 --> 01:28:36,085
Dennis became so annoying
1515
01:28:36,127 --> 01:28:40,881
about the fact that
I should be only with him,
1516
01:28:40,923 --> 01:28:43,342
he wrote a letter
1517
01:28:43,384 --> 01:28:45,636
to the U.S. Marshal saying
1518
01:28:45,678 --> 01:28:49,306
that I'd been
having sex with him.
1519
01:28:49,348 --> 01:28:52,351
My love for Timothy
was untrue.
1520
01:28:52,393 --> 01:28:54,937
It was like
my world collapsed.
1521
01:28:56,689 --> 01:28:58,816
I went back to Marbella,
1522
01:28:58,858 --> 01:29:01,861
to my mother's house,
1523
01:29:01,902 --> 01:29:04,655
and one day Dennis
showed up at the door.
1524
01:29:08,743 --> 01:29:11,287
He asked my mother
if he could marry me.
1525
01:29:12,913 --> 01:29:17,334
My mother said,
"Who do you think you are?
1526
01:29:17,376 --> 01:29:19,754
The son of a hairdresser?
1527
01:29:19,795 --> 01:29:22,631
Never in the world!"
1528
01:29:27,970 --> 01:29:30,306
A couple of days later,
1529
01:29:30,347 --> 01:29:33,976
I was going to a fabulous party.
1530
01:29:34,018 --> 01:29:37,688
Adnan Khashoggi
gave me a couple of Quaaludes.
1531
01:29:38,689 --> 01:29:40,399
From then on,
1532
01:29:40,441 --> 01:29:44,278
I'm not quite sure
what I did.
1533
01:29:45,738 --> 01:29:49,992
But the next morning,
I called my mother.
1534
01:29:50,034 --> 01:29:52,495
She said, "Dennis is dead."
1535
01:29:55,664 --> 01:29:57,082
I felt he was killed.
1536
01:29:57,124 --> 01:29:59,919
You know, don't ask me
for any proof.
1537
01:30:01,086 --> 01:30:03,547
I went to his room.
1538
01:30:03,589 --> 01:30:05,633
There were pills,
1539
01:30:05,674 --> 01:30:08,469
but they were half full.
1540
01:30:08,511 --> 01:30:12,014
And that really set off
a bug in my ear.
1541
01:30:13,682 --> 01:30:15,559
Then there was his diary.
1542
01:30:17,311 --> 01:30:19,522
The last words were,
1543
01:30:26,654 --> 01:30:29,949
Please don't let on
1544
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:32,201
That you knew me when
1545
01:30:32,243 --> 01:30:34,161
I was hungry
1546
01:30:34,203 --> 01:30:37,248
And it was your world
1547
01:30:38,499 --> 01:30:40,793
Ah, you fake
1548
01:30:40,835 --> 01:30:43,379
Just like a woman
1549
01:30:43,420 --> 01:30:45,464
Yes, you do
1550
01:30:45,506 --> 01:30:46,882
You make love
1551
01:30:46,924 --> 01:30:49,802
Just like a woman
1552
01:30:49,844 --> 01:30:51,512
Yes, you do
1553
01:30:51,554 --> 01:30:56,559
Then you ache
just like a woman
1554
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:02,398
But you break just
like a little girl
1555
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:03,899
One day,
1556
01:31:03,941 --> 01:31:07,736
after a little over
three and a half years,
1557
01:31:07,778 --> 01:31:09,738
he got out of prison.
1558
01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:12,408
Neurology lives!
1559
01:31:12,449 --> 01:31:14,285
How you feel, Tim?
1560
01:31:14,326 --> 01:31:15,744
-I feel beautiful.
-Great.
1561
01:31:15,786 --> 01:31:18,539
I want to thank Joanna
and Mr. Milano
1562
01:31:18,581 --> 01:31:22,084
and all my friends
who helped me get out.
1563
01:31:22,126 --> 01:31:24,253
And to those who didn't help,
1564
01:31:24,295 --> 01:31:25,921
I want to be reassuring,
1565
01:31:25,963 --> 01:31:27,756
it's all going
to work out all right.
1566
01:31:27,798 --> 01:31:29,091
And in particular,
1567
01:31:29,133 --> 01:31:31,218
I want to send
a message of support
1568
01:31:31,260 --> 01:31:34,513
to Andrei Sakharov, who's doing
the same thing in Russia.
1569
01:31:38,809 --> 01:31:40,603
Have a good time!
1570
01:31:41,937 --> 01:31:44,106
- Bless you, Tim.
1571
01:31:46,150 --> 01:31:49,904
I had reserved a room
at the Valencia Hotel
1572
01:31:49,945 --> 01:31:52,948
in La Jolla.
1573
01:31:52,990 --> 01:31:56,243
We went to the restaurant
in the hotel,
1574
01:31:56,285 --> 01:31:59,872
and I think he must
have ordered everything
that was on the menu.
1575
01:32:01,624 --> 01:32:03,375
He was a very elegant man,
1576
01:32:03,417 --> 01:32:06,879
but I'll tell you, that night,
he was eating like a pig.
1577
01:32:06,921 --> 01:32:11,300
It was a joy to see him
taste real life again.
1578
01:32:11,342 --> 01:32:12,968
We went to bed,
1579
01:32:13,010 --> 01:32:15,471
and in the morning,
there was a big...
1580
01:32:15,512 --> 01:32:18,265
-...loud knock on the door.
1581
01:32:18,307 --> 01:32:21,810
It was the U.S. Marshals again.
1582
01:32:21,852 --> 01:32:25,314
"We need to put you in
the Witness Protection Program
1583
01:32:25,356 --> 01:32:27,024
because otherwise
1584
01:32:27,066 --> 01:32:29,735
you're going to end up
on a slab."
1585
01:32:31,904 --> 01:32:37,159
They said to Timothy,
"We're going to relocate you
in Salt Lake City."
1586
01:32:37,201 --> 01:32:38,827
And he didn't miss a beat:
1587
01:32:38,869 --> 01:32:41,538
"Do you think you could change
that for Santa Fe?"
1588
01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:43,832
And they started making calls.
1589
01:32:43,874 --> 01:32:46,210
Santa Fe it was.
1590
01:32:48,963 --> 01:32:52,925
We were in an "A"-frame cabin
out in the wilderness.
1591
01:32:55,135 --> 01:32:58,180
No electricity, no gas.
1592
01:32:58,222 --> 01:33:00,182
That was very unfamiliar to me.
1593
01:33:00,224 --> 01:33:03,686
I mean, to this day
I've never camped.
1594
01:33:03,727 --> 01:33:05,646
I'm a Parisian.
1595
01:33:07,398 --> 01:33:10,693
All I knew was,
lie in the forest naked
1596
01:33:10,734 --> 01:33:13,362
and get brown under the sun.
1597
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:21,036
I'm fond of saying that
I became a better Timothy Leary
1598
01:33:21,078 --> 01:33:23,831
than Timothy Leary himself.
1599
01:33:23,872 --> 01:33:27,167
I had traveled to colleges...
1600
01:33:28,961 --> 01:33:30,379
given lectures,
1601
01:33:30,421 --> 01:33:33,048
shown the Folsom film,
1602
01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:36,218
pleaded for his release.
1603
01:33:36,260 --> 01:33:40,431
I wonder if there was
room for two Timothy Learys.
1604
01:33:40,472 --> 01:33:42,933
One night,
1605
01:33:42,975 --> 01:33:44,893
we had a terrible fight.
1606
01:33:51,775 --> 01:33:54,528
And in the morning
he was gone.
1607
01:33:57,740 --> 01:34:01,076
To this day,
I don't understand it.
1608
01:34:03,454 --> 01:34:05,664
We never got back together.
1609
01:34:09,877 --> 01:34:11,670
I thought
1610
01:34:11,712 --> 01:34:14,506
he would protect me
1611
01:34:14,548 --> 01:34:16,592
for the rest of my life.
1612
01:34:19,553 --> 01:34:21,638
I thought I was safe.
1613
01:34:24,892 --> 01:34:27,436
And I don't know
why he went away.
1614
01:34:47,581 --> 01:34:49,625
Every year that goes by,
1615
01:34:49,666 --> 01:34:51,919
I love my mother more.
1616
01:34:53,378 --> 01:34:57,966
My mother smoked these
Winstons endlessly.
1617
01:34:59,676 --> 01:35:02,054
She had a big tumor
1618
01:35:02,096 --> 01:35:04,556
between her lungs.
1619
01:35:04,598 --> 01:35:06,642
It was inoperable.
1620
01:35:07,643 --> 01:35:10,687
I made her go
to Mercy Hospital.
1621
01:35:13,357 --> 01:35:17,569
And she said, "This is
a very, very bad hotel.
1622
01:35:17,611 --> 01:35:19,655
I want you to pack
the suitcases,
1623
01:35:19,696 --> 01:35:21,698
and we're leaving.
1624
01:35:25,494 --> 01:35:28,455
This is the worst hotel
I've been in.
1625
01:35:28,497 --> 01:35:30,666
And open everything."
1626
01:35:31,792 --> 01:35:33,836
I opened the windows,
1627
01:35:33,877 --> 01:35:36,171
I opened the door.
1628
01:35:37,214 --> 01:35:38,924
I was holding her hand.
1629
01:35:40,008 --> 01:35:42,678
And it was clear
to me the moment
1630
01:35:42,719 --> 01:35:45,347
she stopped breathing.
1631
01:35:46,723 --> 01:35:49,852
She took a breath,
but there was no exhale.
1632
01:35:52,146 --> 01:35:54,815
And then this one tear
1633
01:35:54,857 --> 01:35:57,192
came rolling down her cheek.
1634
01:35:58,610 --> 01:36:00,863
One question
I have to ask you
1635
01:36:00,904 --> 01:36:04,366
which I'm sure everyone
is asking you themselves,
1636
01:36:04,408 --> 01:36:06,451
and that is, Why?
1637
01:36:06,493 --> 01:36:07,786
Why are you doing this?
1638
01:36:07,828 --> 01:36:10,372
Why are you
working with DEA,
1639
01:36:10,414 --> 01:36:13,876
the government,
at this point?
1640
01:36:13,917 --> 01:36:15,711
I can understand
that there might be
1641
01:36:15,752 --> 01:36:18,130
some skepticism
that I'm simply here
1642
01:36:18,172 --> 01:36:20,048
talking to you because
1643
01:36:20,090 --> 01:36:22,050
I'm under prison sentence.
1644
01:36:22,092 --> 01:36:25,137
I want to reassure everyone
that I'm not brainwashed.
1645
01:36:25,179 --> 01:36:28,557
No promises
have been made to me
1646
01:36:28,599 --> 01:36:30,475
by any law enforcement agency.
1647
01:36:30,517 --> 01:36:33,562
The future is much
too important
1648
01:36:33,604 --> 01:36:35,981
to be ruled by the past.
1649
01:36:37,441 --> 01:36:39,234
The war is over,
and I'm glad,
1650
01:36:39,276 --> 01:36:42,196
and I'm ready for
a long period of, uh,
1651
01:36:42,237 --> 01:36:44,072
harmonious peace.
1652
01:36:49,328 --> 01:36:50,746
I have nothing else.
1653
01:36:50,787 --> 01:36:54,124
That was a--
that was a good ending.
1654
01:36:54,166 --> 01:36:56,585
Two years ago,
1655
01:36:56,627 --> 01:36:59,713
I received an email
1656
01:36:59,755 --> 01:37:01,715
from somebody who said,
1657
01:37:01,757 --> 01:37:03,425
"My mother died,
1658
01:37:03,467 --> 01:37:06,220
and I have a bunch of boxes
1659
01:37:06,261 --> 01:37:07,888
that belonged to you.
1660
01:37:07,930 --> 01:37:10,098
Would you like me
to send them to you?"
1661
01:37:11,725 --> 01:37:17,773
He wrote me these
divine letters in prison,
1662
01:37:17,814 --> 01:37:19,942
and I had lost them.
1663
01:37:19,983 --> 01:37:24,529
And I felt really,
really ashamed.
1664
01:37:24,571 --> 01:37:26,114
I was rather broke,
1665
01:37:26,156 --> 01:37:28,367
but not broken at the time.
1666
01:37:30,786 --> 01:37:33,538
And sure enough,
the 130 letters
1667
01:37:33,580 --> 01:37:35,707
that he had written
to me were there
1668
01:37:35,749 --> 01:37:38,460
in that yellow folder
I put them in.
1669
01:37:38,502 --> 01:37:42,923
And there were
four reel-to-reel tapes
1670
01:37:42,965 --> 01:37:47,052
that a psychologist in Vacaville
1671
01:37:47,094 --> 01:37:49,096
had brought these tapes to me
1672
01:37:49,137 --> 01:37:53,141
and said, "Timothy wants you
to have these and keep them."
1673
01:37:55,310 --> 01:37:59,898
And at the time I was so busy
with the real Timothy,
1674
01:37:59,940 --> 01:38:02,985
I didn't listen to the tapes.
1675
01:38:03,026 --> 01:38:05,404
So I spent all last winter
1676
01:38:05,445 --> 01:38:08,323
listening to ten hours.
1677
01:38:10,617 --> 01:38:12,953
He was very brilliant,
you see.
1678
01:38:14,121 --> 01:38:16,581
He actually got himself
1679
01:38:16,623 --> 01:38:18,542
moved to Vacaville.
1680
01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:23,839
He seduced
1681
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,676
two psychologists there,
a man and a woman.
1682
01:38:27,718 --> 01:38:29,594
At a certain point...
1683
01:38:31,013 --> 01:38:32,848
he says,
1684
01:38:32,889 --> 01:38:35,726
"Well, what are they going
to do with me?"
1685
01:38:38,562 --> 01:38:41,356
Wesley Hiler says,
1686
01:38:41,398 --> 01:38:43,942
"We're going to drug
you more and more,
1687
01:38:43,984 --> 01:38:47,195
put you in a special section
in San Quentin...
1688
01:38:49,489 --> 01:38:51,575
where we keep people
1689
01:38:51,616 --> 01:38:53,076
who've lost their mind."
1690
01:38:53,118 --> 01:38:57,456
And I firmly believe
that the next Thursday,
1691
01:38:57,497 --> 01:39:01,668
he said, "Call the FBI,
tell them I'm ready."
1692
01:39:01,710 --> 01:39:05,672
What a life would it be for him
to live without his mind?
1693
01:39:07,799 --> 01:39:09,801
So after 40 years,
1694
01:39:09,843 --> 01:39:12,554
for me the mystery is solved.
1695
01:39:33,950 --> 01:39:36,244
My ego was pulverized
1696
01:39:36,286 --> 01:39:39,122
by this adventure.
1697
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:45,045
I was insane, I knew it.
1698
01:39:47,381 --> 01:39:50,550
But I wasn't going to let
anybody lock me up.
1699
01:39:54,471 --> 01:39:56,890
And I was smart enough
1700
01:39:56,932 --> 01:39:59,059
to go down to the Caribbean,
1701
01:39:59,101 --> 01:40:01,103
buy a sailboat,
1702
01:40:01,144 --> 01:40:03,688
and sail for a long time.
1703
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:08,819
The ocean rebuilt me.
1704
01:40:11,405 --> 01:40:15,117
There was something
bigger than me.
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