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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,880 Please support this film www.COWSPIRACY.com 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:18,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 3 00:00:35,734 --> 00:00:38,998 The world's climate scientists tell us that 4 00:00:40,274 --> 00:00:46,337 the highest save level of emissions would be around 350 ppm CO2 5 00:00:46,672 --> 00:00:50,380 of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and we're already at 400. 6 00:00:50,384 --> 00:00:57,882 They tell us that the safest we could hope to do without having perilous implications, 7 00:00:58,297 --> 00:01:02,623 as far as drought, famine, human conflict, major species extinction 8 00:01:02,922 --> 00:01:07,204 would be about a 2°C increase in temperature. 9 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:09,000 We are rapidly approaching that 10 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,230 and with the all the built-in carbon dioxide that's already in the atmosphere, 11 00:01:13,371 --> 00:01:15,421 we're easily going to exceed that. 12 00:01:16,830 --> 00:01:22,989 On our watch we are facing the next major extinction of species on the earth 13 00:01:22,989 --> 00:01:26,711 that we haven't seen since the time of the dinosaurs disappearing. 14 00:01:26,711 --> 00:01:30,449 When whole countries go under water because of sea level rise, 15 00:01:30,449 --> 00:01:35,042 when whole countries find there's so much drought that they can't feed their population, 16 00:01:35,204 --> 00:01:37,310 and as a result they need to 17 00:01:37,614 --> 00:01:41,200 desperately migrate to another country or invade another country... 18 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,610 We are gonna have climate wars in the future. 19 00:01:44,610 --> 00:01:46,743 What about… 20 00:01:46,944 --> 00:01:49,781 what about livestock and animal agriculture? 21 00:01:52,386 --> 00:01:54,060 Well, what about it.. I mean... 22 00:02:24,055 --> 00:02:24,967 My name is Kip. 23 00:02:25,329 --> 00:02:26,068 This is me. 24 00:02:26,169 --> 00:02:28,254 I had a cliché US American childhood. 25 00:02:28,254 --> 00:02:29,464 My mom was a teacher, 26 00:02:29,464 --> 00:02:30,893 my dad was in the military, 27 00:02:30,893 --> 00:02:32,548 and I have one sister. 28 00:02:32,549 --> 00:02:36,668 I played all the sports growing up but always loved the outdoors and camping. 29 00:02:36,668 --> 00:02:37,669 Life was simple. 30 00:02:37,967 --> 00:02:39,949 Not a care in the world. 31 00:02:40,234 --> 00:02:41,853 And then this guy showed up. 32 00:02:41,954 --> 00:02:44,771 Like so many of us, I saw his film "An Inconvenient Truth" 33 00:02:44,878 --> 00:02:48,569 about the impacts of global warming and it scared the emojis out of me. 34 00:02:48,952 --> 00:02:52,074 In Al Gore's film he describes how our earth is in peril. 35 00:02:52,074 --> 00:02:54,896 Climate change stands for the fact that all life on this planet, 36 00:02:54,896 --> 00:02:55,967 from monster storms, 37 00:02:55,967 --> 00:02:57,257 raging wild-fires, 38 00:02:57,281 --> 00:02:58,181 record droughts, 39 00:02:58,382 --> 00:02:59,407 icecaps melting, 40 00:02:59,407 --> 00:03:01,340 acidification of the oceans, 41 00:03:01,340 --> 00:03:03,431 to entire countries going underwater, 42 00:03:03,431 --> 00:03:06,519 that could all be caused by human's demands on the Earth. 43 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:09,845 With scientists warning that unless we take drastic measures 44 00:03:09,845 --> 00:03:11,888 to correct our environmental footprint 45 00:03:11,888 --> 00:03:13,225 our time on this planet 46 00:03:13,225 --> 00:03:16,221 may be limited to only 50 more years. 47 00:03:17,245 --> 00:03:19,417 I wanted to do everything I could to help. 48 00:03:19,618 --> 00:03:22,701 I made up my mind right then and there to change how I lived 49 00:03:22,973 --> 00:03:25,019 and to do whatever I possibly could to find 50 00:03:25,019 --> 00:03:27,109 a way for all of us to live together, 51 00:03:27,109 --> 00:03:28,510 in balance with the planet 52 00:03:28,510 --> 00:03:29,537 sustainably, 53 00:03:29,727 --> 00:03:30,991 forever. 54 00:03:31,028 --> 00:03:33,716 I started to do all the things Al told us to do. 55 00:03:33,901 --> 00:03:35,089 I became an OCE. 56 00:03:35,254 --> 00:03:37,954 "Obsessive-Compulsive Environmentalist" 57 00:03:38,305 --> 00:03:40,157 I separated the trash and recycled, 58 00:03:40,157 --> 00:03:40,957 I composted, 59 00:03:40,957 --> 00:03:42,313 changed all the light bulbs, 60 00:03:42,313 --> 00:03:43,313 took short showers, 61 00:03:43,313 --> 00:03:45,175 turned the water off when I brushed my teeth, 62 00:03:45,175 --> 00:03:47,070 turned off lights when leaving the room, 63 00:03:47,070 --> 00:03:49,503 and rode my bike instead of driving, everywhere. 64 00:03:49,503 --> 00:03:52,833 But as the years went by it seemed as if things were getting worse. 65 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:53,833 I had to wonder: 66 00:03:54,034 --> 00:03:57,212 with all the continuing ecological crises facing the planet, 67 00:03:57,613 --> 00:04:00,721 even if every single one of us adopted these conservation habits, 68 00:04:01,122 --> 00:04:04,080 was this really going to be enough to save the world? 69 00:04:05,327 --> 00:04:08,274 It just seemed there was something more to the story. 70 00:04:08,325 --> 00:04:11,637 I thought I was doing everything I could to help the planet. 71 00:04:11,779 --> 00:04:16,983 But then, with one friend's post, everything changed. 72 00:04:17,259 --> 00:04:20,500 The post sent me to a report online, published by the United Nations 73 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,366 stating that cows produce more greenhouse gases 74 00:04:23,633 --> 00:04:26,208 than the entire transportation sector. 75 00:04:26,675 --> 00:04:29,400 This means that raising cattle produces more greenhouse gases 76 00:04:29,842 --> 00:04:33,550 than all cars, trucks, trains, boats, planes combined. 77 00:04:33,790 --> 00:04:36,867 13% compared to 18% from livestock. 78 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:39,943 This is because cows produce a substantial amount of methane 79 00:04:39,943 --> 00:04:41,609 from their digestive process. 80 00:04:41,775 --> 00:04:46,381 Methane gas from livestock is 25-100 times more destructive 81 00:04:46,516 --> 00:04:48,432 than carbon dioxide from vehicles. 82 00:04:48,667 --> 00:04:51,755 I'd been riding my bike everywhere to help reduce emissions 83 00:04:51,755 --> 00:04:55,612 but it turns out there is more to climate change than just fossil fuels. 84 00:04:55,612 --> 00:04:57,063 I started doing more research. 85 00:04:57,070 --> 00:04:59,149 The UN along with other agencies recorded that 86 00:04:59,150 --> 00:05:02,786 not only did livestock play a major role in global warming, 87 00:05:02,786 --> 00:05:05,609 it is also the leading cause of resource consumption 88 00:05:05,609 --> 00:05:08,900 and environmental degradation destroying the planet today. 89 00:05:09,566 --> 00:05:11,778 How was it possible I wasn't aware of this? 90 00:05:11,778 --> 00:05:15,953 I thought this information would be plastered everywhere in the environmental community. 91 00:05:15,953 --> 00:05:19,090 I went to the nation's largest environmental organisations' websites. 92 00:05:19,090 --> 00:05:21,100 350.org, Greenpeace, 93 00:05:21,159 --> 00:05:24,159 Sierra Club, Climate Reality, Rainforest Action Network, Amazon Watch… 94 00:05:24,159 --> 00:05:28,217 and was shocked to see they had virtually nothing on animal agriculture. 95 00:05:28,523 --> 00:05:29,940 What was going on? 96 00:05:30,107 --> 00:05:32,731 Why would they not have this information on there? 97 00:05:32,731 --> 00:05:36,873 It seemed the main focus for many of those groups was natural gas and oil production, 98 00:05:36,873 --> 00:05:41,374 with fracking being the latest hot issue, due to water usage and contamination. 99 00:05:41,374 --> 00:05:44,766 Hydraulic fracturing for natural gas uses an incredible amount of water. 100 00:05:44,773 --> 00:05:49,390 A staggering 375 billion litres of water is consumed each year in the US. 101 00:05:49,757 --> 00:05:51,899 But when I compare this with animal agriculture 102 00:05:51,899 --> 00:05:57,190 raising livestock just in the US consumes 130 trillion litres of water. 103 00:05:57,190 --> 00:06:01,440 And it turns out the methane emissions from both industries are nearly equal. 104 00:06:01,915 --> 00:06:05,815 Living in California, a state plagued by drought and water shortages, 105 00:06:06,082 --> 00:06:08,299 water use is a major concern for many of us. 106 00:06:08,665 --> 00:06:14,148 (PACIFIC INSTITUTE) The average Californian uses about 5700 litres per person, per day. 107 00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:18,857 About half of that is related to consuming meat and dairy products. 108 00:06:19,023 --> 00:06:22,074 Meat and dairy products are incredibly water-intensive, 109 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,882 in part because the animals use very water-intensive grains, 110 00:06:27,249 --> 00:06:28,678 that's what they eat. 111 00:06:29,407 --> 00:06:33,823 So all of the water embedded in grain, and that the animals eats 112 00:06:34,190 --> 00:06:39,482 is essentially considered part of the virtual water footprint of that product. 113 00:06:40,107 --> 00:06:42,270 I found out a one 110 gram hamburger 114 00:06:42,557 --> 00:06:45,731 requires over 2500 litres of water to produce. 115 00:06:45,998 --> 00:06:48,815 Here I'd been taking these short showers trying to save water, 116 00:06:48,815 --> 00:06:50,800 to find out that eating just one hamburger 117 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,473 is the equivalent of showering two entire months. 118 00:06:54,565 --> 00:06:57,315 So much is attention is given to lowering our home water use, 119 00:06:57,315 --> 00:07:00,790 yet domestic water use is only 5% of what is consumed in the US 120 00:07:01,057 --> 00:07:03,357 versus 55% for animal agriculture. 121 00:07:03,623 --> 00:07:06,315 This is because it takes upwards to 9500 litres of water 122 00:07:06,681 --> 00:07:08,565 to produce 450 grams of beef. 123 00:07:08,565 --> 00:07:12,565 I went on the government's department of water resources' "Save Our Water" campaign, 124 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,172 where it outlines behaviour changes to help conserve our water. 125 00:07:15,172 --> 00:07:17,975 Like using low-flow shower heads, efficient toilets, 126 00:07:17,982 --> 00:07:21,274 water-saving appliances and fix leaky faucets and sprinkler heads 127 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,606 but nothing about animal agriculture. 128 00:07:23,873 --> 00:07:28,245 When I added up all governments' recommendations, I was saving 180 litres a day. 129 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,433 Still that's not even close to the 2500 litres for just one burger. 130 00:07:33,731 --> 00:07:36,890 I wanted to see if I could somehow talk with the government about this. 131 00:07:36,891 --> 00:07:40,682 Just calling to see if we could schedule an interview. 132 00:07:41,149 --> 00:07:43,074 Yeah, that would be good. 133 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,565 What does your schedule look like this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon? 134 00:07:49,244 --> 00:07:50,897 Tomorrow afternoon could be good. 135 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,986 (Chief Water Use and Efficiency Branch) For the urban environment there are a lot of things that can be done. 136 00:07:56,986 --> 00:08:05,298 Indoors, using low-flow shower heads, 137 00:08:06,174 --> 00:08:07,857 low-flow faucets, efficient toilets, 138 00:08:08,223 --> 00:08:12,606 efficient water-using appliances. 139 00:08:12,973 --> 00:08:16,523 All those are really good areas can help quite a lot. 140 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:20,340 But the biggest water savings is from outdoors. 141 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,701 We have to be mindful about the way we use water. 142 00:08:23,701 --> 00:08:26,546 We have to use it as efficiently as possible. 143 00:08:26,546 --> 00:08:32,082 We have to protect its quality and have to be good stewards of the environment that depends on water. 144 00:08:33,031 --> 00:08:38,376 And checking the sprinkler. A lot of times we get leaks and broken sprinklers… 145 00:08:39,347 --> 00:08:41,740 Things like that wastes water. 146 00:08:42,207 --> 00:08:46,240 Those are the areas where there is a lot of room for conservation. 147 00:08:47,165 --> 00:08:52,531 It kept on coming up a lot was about animal agriculture… 148 00:08:54,357 --> 00:08:56,986 Can you comment on that at all about how much that 149 00:08:56,986 --> 00:09:03,207 plays a role in water consumption and pollution. 150 00:09:07,857 --> 00:09:10,931 That's not my area… 151 00:09:13,015 --> 00:09:18,135 There's one study that found that producing a pound of beef... 152 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:20,606 9500 litres of water. 153 00:09:20,773 --> 00:09:22,481 - Yes. - Yes. 154 00:09:22,848 --> 00:09:28,657 Eggs 1800 litres of water. Cheese almost 3400 litres. 155 00:09:28,723 --> 00:09:32,265 Isn't it simple, why isn't it on "Save Our Water"? 156 00:09:32,281 --> 00:09:34,386 It's kind if you went to someone's house 157 00:09:34,386 --> 00:09:37,949 and my neighbour has a faucet dripping 158 00:09:38,415 --> 00:09:42,065 and then you see a giant hose turned full blast 159 00:09:42,432 --> 00:09:47,399 until 2500 litres of water shout out in the street 160 00:09:47,765 --> 00:09:49,857 flooding the entire street. 161 00:09:50,323 --> 00:09:53,990 I think I would say: "Hey, you know, turn that off, please." 162 00:09:54,557 --> 00:09:57,572 Seems it could be a huge thing that we could be doing, 163 00:09:57,707 --> 00:10:00,348 by far more than anything else. 164 00:10:00,732 --> 00:10:03,232 If that is really the case. 165 00:10:03,699 --> 00:10:05,976 I think that the water footprint 166 00:10:06,574 --> 00:10:10,370 of animal husbandry is greater than other activities. 167 00:10:10,605 --> 00:10:13,748 Without a doubt. 168 00:10:13,748 --> 00:10:15,350 That would be really powerful. 169 00:10:15,357 --> 00:10:19,357 Rather than waiting until we really are in a drought, just start now 170 00:10:19,357 --> 00:10:22,307 and tell whoever is in charge of "Save Our Water", say 171 00:10:22,307 --> 00:10:25,174 "Let's start to encourage people to eat less meat 172 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,923 because these studies are coming up." 173 00:10:29,015 --> 00:10:31,606 - I don't think that will happen. - Why? 174 00:10:31,973 --> 00:10:34,690 - I don't think that'll happen. - Why? 175 00:10:35,865 --> 00:10:39,207 Because the way government is organised here. 176 00:10:39,931 --> 00:10:42,357 It's interesting, why though? 177 00:10:47,265 --> 00:10:51,692 One is water management, the other behaviour change. 178 00:10:51,699 --> 00:10:53,665 Behaviour of taking showers 179 00:10:54,031 --> 00:10:58,799 and not watering your lawn, that is behaviour. 180 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:01,873 Yes. 181 00:11:04,223 --> 00:11:07,411 Clearly the government did not want talk about this issue. 182 00:11:07,411 --> 00:11:08,581 Their inability to answer 183 00:11:08,581 --> 00:11:11,246 along with the environmental organisations' silence 184 00:11:11,246 --> 00:11:12,660 on animal agriculture, 185 00:11:12,665 --> 00:11:15,157 made it seem something more was going on. 186 00:11:15,523 --> 00:11:18,273 I started investigating more about the impact of livestock 187 00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:21,995 and found that the situation was worse than I had thought. 188 00:11:22,132 --> 00:11:25,543 In 2009, two advisors from the World Bank released an analysis 189 00:11:25,578 --> 00:11:27,427 on human-induced greenhouse gases, 190 00:11:27,562 --> 00:11:29,326 finding that animal agriculture 191 00:11:29,836 --> 00:11:32,795 was responsible not for 18% as the UN stated, 192 00:11:32,852 --> 00:11:36,629 but for 51% of all greenhouse gases. 193 00:11:36,864 --> 00:11:38,009 51%. 194 00:11:38,244 --> 00:11:40,757 Yet all we hear about is burning fossil fuels. 195 00:11:40,992 --> 00:11:44,223 This devastating figure is due to clear-cutting rainforest for grazing, 196 00:11:44,223 --> 00:11:46,915 respiration and all the waste animals produced. 197 00:11:46,950 --> 00:11:49,340 This makes animal agriculture the number one 198 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:52,222 contributor to human-caused climate change. 199 00:11:52,222 --> 00:11:54,826 But not only that, I found that raising animals for food 200 00:11:54,926 --> 00:11:58,007 consumes 1/3 of all the planet's fresh water, 201 00:11:58,674 --> 00:12:02,111 occupies up to 45% of the Earth's land. 202 00:12:02,115 --> 00:12:05,623 Is responsible for up to 91% of the Amazon destruction, 203 00:12:05,990 --> 00:12:08,865 Is the leading cause of species extinction, 204 00:12:08,865 --> 00:12:10,540 ocean "dead zones", 205 00:12:10,906 --> 00:12:14,265 and habitat destruction. 206 00:12:15,073 --> 00:12:17,550 Yet the world's largest environmental groups 207 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:21,090 that are suppoed be saving our world didn't mention this anywhere. 208 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:26,123 I had to speak with environmental organisations to find out why they weren't addressing this issue. 209 00:12:26,123 --> 00:12:28,365 I sent off dozens of emails, made call after call. 210 00:12:28,732 --> 00:12:29,757 Spent hours on hold. 211 00:12:30,123 --> 00:12:32,220 Days became weeks and weeks became months 212 00:12:32,220 --> 00:12:35,490 and for some reason, no-one wanted to talk to me about this. 213 00:12:35,857 --> 00:12:36,673 So bizarre. 214 00:12:36,740 --> 00:12:41,607 I supported these organisations so long and now I was met with silence. 215 00:12:41,774 --> 00:12:45,157 I was however able to connect with a handful of environmentalist authors 216 00:12:45,157 --> 00:12:47,997 and advocates that were willing to address this issue. 217 00:12:48,023 --> 00:12:52,699 I took my old trusty van Super Blue out of retirement and hit the road. 218 00:12:55,023 --> 00:12:56,175 So my calculations are that 219 00:12:56,675 --> 00:13:02,957 without using any gas, oil or fuel, ever again, from this day forward, 220 00:13:02,957 --> 00:13:08,404 that we would still exceed our maximum carbon equivalent greenhouse gas emissions, 221 00:13:08,404 --> 00:13:11,659 565 gigatons, by the year 2030. 222 00:13:12,094 --> 00:13:16,305 Without the electricity sector or the energy sector even factoring in the equation, 223 00:13:16,305 --> 00:13:19,381 all simply by raising and eating livestock. 224 00:13:19,381 --> 00:13:25,612 If you reduce the amount of methane emissions, the level in the atmosphere goes down fairly quickly. 225 00:13:25,612 --> 00:13:26,489 Within decades. 226 00:13:26,717 --> 00:13:30,323 As opposed to CO2, if you reduce the emissions to the atmosphere 227 00:13:30,323 --> 00:13:33,474 you don't really see a signal in the atmosphere for a 100 years or so. 228 00:13:33,474 --> 00:13:41,234 The single largest contributor to every known environmental ill known to human kind: 229 00:13:41,669 --> 00:13:44,380 deforestation, land use, water scarcity, 230 00:13:44,951 --> 00:13:48,706 destabilisation of communities, world hunger… The list doesn't stop. 231 00:13:48,973 --> 00:13:51,781 It's an environmental disaster that's being ignored 232 00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:55,315 by the very people who should be championing. 233 00:13:55,315 --> 00:13:59,712 Free-living animals 10,000 years ago made up 99% of the biomass. 234 00:13:59,712 --> 00:14:03,499 Human beings made up only 1% of the biomass. 235 00:14:03,965 --> 00:14:08,140 Today, only 10,000 years later, which is only a fraction of time, 236 00:14:08,507 --> 00:14:12,881 we human beings and the animals we own as property, 237 00:14:13,148 --> 00:14:15,990 make up 98% of the biomass. 238 00:14:16,257 --> 00:14:19,669 And wild free-living animals make up only 2%. 239 00:14:20,104 --> 00:14:24,198 We basically have completely stolen the world, Earth, 240 00:14:24,365 --> 00:14:27,321 from free-living animals to use for ourselves, 241 00:14:27,356 --> 00:14:30,157 and our cows, pigs, chickens and factory-farmed fish 242 00:14:30,157 --> 00:14:33,098 and the oceans are even more devastated. 243 00:14:33,098 --> 00:14:36,856 Concerned researchers of the loss of species agree 244 00:14:37,201 --> 00:14:41,919 that the primary cause of loss of species on our earth that we are witnessing, 245 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:46,323 is due to overgrazing and habitat loss from livestock production on land 246 00:14:46,690 --> 00:14:50,057 and by overfishing, which I call fishing in our oceans. 247 00:14:50,323 --> 00:14:54,523 We are in the middle of the largest mass extinction of species in 65 million years. 248 00:14:54,523 --> 00:14:58,265 The rain forest is being cut down at 4000 m2 per second. 249 00:14:58,265 --> 00:15:01,449 The driving force behind all of this is animal agriculture. 250 00:15:01,449 --> 00:15:05,884 Cutting down the forest to graze animals and to grow soya beans. 251 00:15:06,624 --> 00:15:11,273 Genetically engineered soya beans to feed to the cows, pigs, factory-farmed chickens and fish. 252 00:15:11,273 --> 00:15:17,711 91% of loss of rainforest in the Amazon area thus far to date 253 00:15:18,149 --> 00:15:21,957 91% that has been destroyed is due to raising livestock. 254 00:15:22,123 --> 00:15:26,887 The leading cause of environmental destruction is animal agriculture. 255 00:15:27,282 --> 00:15:28,554 I just couldn't understand why the 256 00:15:28,554 --> 00:15:31,932 world's largest environmental organisations weren't addressing this 257 00:15:32,267 --> 00:15:35,231 when their entire mission is to help protect the environment. 258 00:15:35,398 --> 00:15:37,093 That's the thing too, they say: 259 00:15:37,150 --> 00:15:39,840 "Use less coal, ride your bike…" 260 00:15:39,875 --> 00:15:42,310 - What about "eat less meat"? - Yeah. 261 00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:46,365 I think they focus-grouped it and it's a political loser. 262 00:15:47,432 --> 00:15:50,315 They are membership organisations. 263 00:15:50,582 --> 00:15:53,915 They want to maximise the number of people making contributions 264 00:15:54,050 --> 00:15:57,138 and if they are getting identified as anti-meat 265 00:15:57,138 --> 00:16:01,580 or challenging people on their everyday habits, something that is so dear to people, 266 00:16:02,104 --> 00:16:04,331 it will hurt with their fundraising. 267 00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:10,928 They don't want to address the primary driving cause of environmental devastation, 268 00:16:10,928 --> 00:16:15,328 which is animal agriculture, because they're businesses. 269 00:16:15,328 --> 00:16:19,874 They want to make sure that they have a reliable source of funding. 270 00:16:20,217 --> 00:16:25,830 I got invited to a meeting with Al Gore some years ago now 271 00:16:25,921 --> 00:16:28,762 and met his methane arguments but he was really push-back. 272 00:16:28,777 --> 00:16:29,957 That's just his argument: 273 00:16:29,957 --> 00:16:32,994 "It's hard enough to get people to think about CO2." 274 00:16:33,073 --> 00:16:34,032 "Don't confuse them." 275 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:39,864 I think that the problem with a lot of the organisations is that they're focused 276 00:16:40,394 --> 00:16:45,450 and have a laser focus, they don't go off-message because they don't want to piss off 277 00:16:45,455 --> 00:16:48,718 another whole group of people that will make their lives difficult. 278 00:16:48,718 --> 00:16:54,948 If you listen to the majority of the major environmental organisations, they're not telling you to do much, 279 00:16:54,948 --> 00:16:59,550 besides "live life the way you've been living it, but change the light bulb from time to time, 280 00:16:59,550 --> 00:17:02,620 drive less, use less plastic, recycle more…" 281 00:17:03,309 --> 00:17:06,524 It's better for their fundraising and better for their profile 282 00:17:06,524 --> 00:17:09,951 to create a victim- and-perpetrator sort of plotline. 283 00:17:10,203 --> 00:17:15,413 It's like when we talk about the fact that when we have a dysfunctional family. 284 00:17:15,989 --> 00:17:20,065 The father is an alcoholic. It's the one thing no one talks about. 285 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:21,471 Everyone goes around that, 286 00:17:21,471 --> 00:17:26,568 yet it's the one thing that causes the devastation in the relationships in the family. 287 00:17:26,888 --> 00:17:29,223 Because nobody wants talk about it. 288 00:17:29,223 --> 00:17:31,572 How can these organisations not know? 289 00:17:31,572 --> 00:17:34,811 The issue is right in front of them, unmistakable at this point. 290 00:17:34,811 --> 00:17:39,988 And just like these organisations fall over themselves to show the general public 291 00:17:40,323 --> 00:17:42,442 that climate change is human-caused 292 00:17:42,877 --> 00:17:47,784 and in doing so completely fail to see what's right in front of them: 293 00:17:48,255 --> 00:17:51,604 that animal agriculture, raising and killing animals for food 294 00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:53,973 is really what's killing the planet. 295 00:17:55,049 --> 00:17:58,546 That was it. No more e-mails, no more phone calls, I had enough. 296 00:17:58,610 --> 00:18:00,190 I realised that if I wanted answers, 297 00:18:00,190 --> 00:18:03,316 I would have to go to these organisations headquarters in person. 298 00:18:03,316 --> 00:18:05,431 GREENPEACE San Francisco Headquarters 299 00:18:05,449 --> 00:18:07,269 - Hi, how's it going? - Good. 300 00:18:07,304 --> 00:18:11,096 We're doing a full-feature documentary. 301 00:18:11,545 --> 00:18:15,626 It's on sustainability and animal agriculture. 302 00:18:15,861 --> 00:18:19,710 And we're here to talk with David Barre. 303 00:18:19,754 --> 00:18:21,004 - With Barre? - Yeah. 304 00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:24,668 - OK. Do you have an appointment with him? - We've been trying for almost two months. 305 00:18:25,003 --> 00:18:29,397 - We didn't even have one receptive email, or anything. 306 00:18:29,925 --> 00:18:32,723 - Sure. - .. to see if we can set something up. 307 00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:35,173 - Let me... So.. They sent out their PR person instead. 308 00:18:35,173 --> 00:18:38,171 She refused to be filmed and told us to turn off the camera, 309 00:18:38,171 --> 00:18:40,840 but promised someone from the rainforest, ocean 310 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,760 and climate change department who would all speak with us. Finally. 311 00:18:46,831 --> 00:18:49,998 Next stop was to give Sierra Club a visit. 312 00:18:53,649 --> 00:18:57,497 Turns out they were a bit more receptive to me showing up at their doorstep. 313 00:18:57,497 --> 00:18:58,999 How's it going? 314 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,157 With climate change, what is the leading cause of that? 315 00:19:04,823 --> 00:19:07,765 Well, it's basically burning too many fossil fuels. 316 00:19:09,132 --> 00:19:12,632 Coal, natural gas, oil, tar sands. 317 00:19:13,099 --> 00:19:14,767 Oil shale… 318 00:19:15,202 --> 00:19:18,364 All new fuel exotic fuels that are kind of hybrids between them. 319 00:19:18,915 --> 00:19:21,657 That's basically what is loading up the atmosphere, 320 00:19:21,923 --> 00:19:25,079 we have this greenhouse effect where the heat is trapped 321 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:27,173 and the temperatures are soaring 322 00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:31,198 at a rate that never existed in the history of the Earth. 323 00:19:31,865 --> 00:19:33,580 What about ... 324 00:19:33,949 --> 00:19:36,890 what about livestock and animal agriculture? 325 00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:41,015 Well, what about it.. I mean... 326 00:19:41,381 --> 00:19:42,281 We ... 327 00:19:42,948 --> 00:19:44,081 ... did research 328 00:19:44,540 --> 00:19:49,375 A couple of UN reports say animal livestock accounts for more emissions 329 00:19:49,703 --> 00:19:52,140 than all transportation put together. 330 00:19:52,506 --> 00:19:55,365 A recent 2009 Worldwatch report: 331 00:19:55,631 --> 00:20:00,081 "Livestock causes 51% of all greenhouse gas emissions…" 332 00:20:00,548 --> 00:20:01,849 Well... 333 00:20:02,115 --> 00:20:06,732 It is a big issue and we need to address that as well 334 00:20:07,299 --> 00:20:13,673 but, you know, there are so many potential sources of methane and carbon emissions… 335 00:20:14,123 --> 00:20:18,771 If the number one leading cause is animal agriculture and meat consumption 336 00:20:19,213 --> 00:20:24,447 then doesn't it mean to be the number one focus, if not, the number two? 337 00:20:26,049 --> 00:20:30,090 Well, that's your assessment, our assessment is different. 338 00:20:32,673 --> 00:20:34,757 That was bizarre. 339 00:20:35,215 --> 00:20:37,757 Greenpeace got back to me today and said: 340 00:20:38,757 --> 00:20:41,515 "It was great to meet with you yesterday." 341 00:20:41,882 --> 00:20:45,780 "I've spoken with various people here at Greenpeace about your request, 342 00:20:46,049 --> 00:20:50,090 but I'm afraid we're not going to be able to help this time." 343 00:20:52,965 --> 00:20:55,126 "Thanks again, and best of luck." 344 00:20:55,126 --> 00:20:57,449 Greenpeace's response reminded me of the statistic 345 00:20:57,449 --> 00:21:00,723 that 53.000 kilograms of farm animal excrement 346 00:21:01,090 --> 00:21:03,890 is produced every second in the US alone. 347 00:21:04,257 --> 00:21:07,995 That is enough waste per year to cover every square foot of San Francisco, 348 00:21:08,377 --> 00:21:11,701 New York City, Tokyo, Paris, 349 00:21:12,265 --> 00:21:15,290 New Delhi, Berlin, Hong Kong, London, 350 00:21:15,557 --> 00:21:21,465 Rio de Janeiro, Delaware, Bali, Costa Rica and Denmark combined. 351 00:21:22,590 --> 00:21:30,651 Livestock operations on land has caused more than 500 nitrogen-flooded dead zones 352 00:21:30,651 --> 00:21:32,174 around the world and our oceans. 353 00:21:32,174 --> 00:21:36,223 It comprises more than 245.000 km2 of areas completely devoid of life. 354 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:40,049 So any meaningful discussion about the state of our oceans 355 00:21:40,215 --> 00:21:44,548 has to always begin by frank discussions 356 00:21:44,715 --> 00:21:47,974 about land-based animal agriculture, 357 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:52,600 which is not what our conservation groups, Oceana being the largest one in the world, 358 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,399 and the most influential, 359 00:21:55,399 --> 00:21:58,740 and others - at the apex of their discussions. 360 00:21:58,740 --> 00:22:02,132 I went on my favourite oceans protection organisation's website, 361 00:22:02,132 --> 00:22:05,132 Surfrider Foundation, to see what they were doing about this. 362 00:22:05,132 --> 00:22:08,506 Mostly what I found were campaigns about plastic bags and trash 363 00:22:08,506 --> 00:22:10,830 but nothing about animal agriculture. 364 00:22:11,170 --> 00:22:15,520 What is the number one coastal water quality issue polluter? 365 00:22:18,295 --> 00:22:19,157 A lot of it... 366 00:22:20,576 --> 00:22:22,698 We call it the "toxic cocktail." 367 00:22:22,965 --> 00:22:26,417 Because it really is this diffuse source. 368 00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:31,074 It's heavy metal from tyres, brakes and cars, heavy metals, 369 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,232 herbicides and pesticides. 370 00:22:33,399 --> 00:22:38,140 Really picking up everything we leave on the ground, 371 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:41,332 collecting it together and pushing it out into the ocean. 372 00:22:41,332 --> 00:22:43,807 It's hard to actually target one thing. 373 00:22:44,274 --> 00:22:48,032 We're doing research on this particular one, and run-off 374 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,281 and increasingly, as we're interviewing more and more people, 375 00:22:52,281 --> 00:22:56,177 what keeps coming up, is animal agriculture 376 00:22:56,512 --> 00:23:00,723 as being the number one water polluter. 377 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:02,790 Considerably far more than any other… 378 00:23:02,957 --> 00:23:06,948 Yeah, interesting, I guess it depends on the regions you focus on. 379 00:23:06,948 --> 00:23:10,882 Like the urban areas, like where we are in southern California where we are, 380 00:23:10,882 --> 00:23:14,931 we don't see that, because there are not a lot of agricultural farms 381 00:23:15,186 --> 00:23:17,415 but look in the mid-Atlantic 382 00:23:17,782 --> 00:23:20,340 Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, 383 00:23:20,645 --> 00:23:24,494 I know there are many poultry farms, a lot of hog farms 384 00:23:24,666 --> 00:23:26,590 and it's a huge waste issue. 385 00:23:26,943 --> 00:23:30,107 I was surprised that they not only not focus on farm run-off 386 00:23:30,274 --> 00:23:32,340 they also didn't mention in any campaigns 387 00:23:32,506 --> 00:23:34,653 about how our oceans are in near collapse. 388 00:23:35,077 --> 00:23:37,723 The UN reporterd that the 3/4 of world's fisheries 389 00:23:37,997 --> 00:23:41,777 are overexploited, fully exploited or significantly depleted, 390 00:23:42,112 --> 00:23:43,131 due to overfishing. 391 00:23:43,806 --> 00:23:48,343 The oceans are under siege like never before and marine environments are in trouble. 392 00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:51,331 If we don't wake up and do something about it 393 00:23:51,698 --> 00:23:54,491 we have fishless oceans by the year 2048. 394 00:23:54,491 --> 00:23:56,315 That's the prediction of scientists. 395 00:23:56,315 --> 00:23:59,295 The fact that when people look at fishing sometimes, 396 00:23:59,591 --> 00:24:04,157 they look only at the animals that are consumed by humans, 397 00:24:04,557 --> 00:24:08,944 not necessarily looking at all the animals who are caught in the drift nets 398 00:24:08,944 --> 00:24:12,131 All the others animals killed in the industry, 399 00:24:12,784 --> 00:24:17,452 Even the shrimping industry has done a lot to devastate the planet as well, 400 00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:21,817 breaking down natural barriers that we have to protect the islands. 401 00:24:22,192 --> 00:24:27,863 We're at over 28 billion animals that were pulled out of the oceans last year. 402 00:24:27,863 --> 00:24:32,012 They are never given a chance to recover. 403 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:35,257 They don't multiply that quickly, we don't give them the opportunity. 404 00:24:35,257 --> 00:24:37,189 The oceans are in complete collapse, 405 00:24:38,024 --> 00:24:40,773 the large fish specie are near extinction. 406 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,277 The way fishing is done today, to feed the deman dfor 90 million tonnes of fish, 407 00:24:45,478 --> 00:24:47,837 fishing is primarily done with massive fish nets. 408 00:24:48,162 --> 00:24:49,913 For every pound of fish caught, 409 00:24:49,913 --> 00:24:53,930 up to 2,2 kg of untargeted species become trapped, 410 00:24:53,994 --> 00:24:59,222 such as dolphins, whales, sea turtles and sharks, known as by-kill. 411 00:24:59,432 --> 00:25:03,484 If we imagine the same happening on the African savannah, 412 00:25:03,542 --> 00:25:04,614 targeting the gazelle 413 00:25:04,614 --> 00:25:09,613 but in the process scooping up every single lion, giraffe, ostriche and elephant 414 00:25:09,613 --> 00:25:11,286 nobody would stand for it. 415 00:25:11,666 --> 00:25:16,506 Yet, this is what's happening in our oceans every single day. 416 00:25:18,323 --> 00:25:21,003 Between 40-50 million sharks are killed every year 417 00:25:21,003 --> 00:25:23,428 in fishing lines and fishing nets as by-kill. 418 00:25:23,851 --> 00:25:26,223 Then their fins may b cut off or not cut off 419 00:25:26,370 --> 00:25:29,520 but they're caught initially as by-kill. 420 00:25:29,963 --> 00:25:34,770 And it's from fishing. From fishing in a sustainable manner 421 00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:40,380 in many cases for fish that are labelled 'sustainable', by for instance Oceana 422 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:43,883 and these sustainable certified organisations. 423 00:25:43,883 --> 00:25:48,647 So my thought is why would we stop at banning shark fin soup 424 00:25:48,647 --> 00:25:50,966 if you're concerned about sharks? 425 00:25:50,966 --> 00:25:54,301 Which these organisations are, and most of the public is now. 426 00:25:54,301 --> 00:25:57,359 If we're really concerned about sharks, we would ban fishing. 427 00:25:57,390 --> 00:26:00,540 I went on the world's largest ocean conservation's groups website, 428 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:02,626 Oceana to see what they do about this. 429 00:26:02,961 --> 00:26:06,282 On their site, along the TED Talk by CEO Andy Sharpless, 430 00:26:06,349 --> 00:26:11,137 I was astounded to read they actually recommend that one of the best ways to help fish 431 00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:12,107 is to eat fish. 432 00:26:12,474 --> 00:26:15,161 With the world's fish population in near collapse, 433 00:26:15,161 --> 00:26:18,432 this seems like saying that the best way to help endangered pandas 434 00:26:18,432 --> 00:26:19,315 is to eat pandas. 435 00:26:19,315 --> 00:26:21,483 I couldn't understand how Oceana could say 436 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:25,349 we could remove close to a 100 million tons of fish per year 437 00:26:25,515 --> 00:26:28,957 and this could be sustainable and good for our oceans. 438 00:26:29,223 --> 00:26:34,425 In many species that are near extinction, 439 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:38,422 have done so and 440 00:26:38,718 --> 00:26:42,957 haven't recovered on the watch of Oceana 441 00:26:43,223 --> 00:26:45,773 and on the watch of Marine Stewardship Council, 442 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,884 and on the watch of Monterey Bay Sea Food. 443 00:26:50,413 --> 00:26:53,823 I mentioned in one of my lectures they are aptly named, because 444 00:26:53,890 --> 00:26:58,098 they are watching this happen, instead of aggressively halting it. 445 00:27:00,432 --> 00:27:03,557 According to the UN Food and Agricultural Organisation 446 00:27:06,365 --> 00:27:08,121 three-quarters of all the fisheries 447 00:27:08,121 --> 00:27:10,539 are either "fully exploited or overexploited". 448 00:27:10,539 --> 00:27:14,307 So there are not many fish stocks out there 449 00:27:14,474 --> 00:27:19,260 that you might consider at healthy levels for the ecosystem. 450 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,057 Watching Andy's TED Talk about feeding the world… 451 00:27:24,223 --> 00:27:28,681 In 1988, the fishery peaked at 85 million tonnes. 452 00:27:28,848 --> 00:27:34,315 How can we sustainably catch 100 million tons in 2050? 453 00:27:34,881 --> 00:27:39,415 Regardless if it's in a farm or in an ocean, if 454 00:27:39,681 --> 00:27:41,748 for every pound of fish you take out 455 00:27:42,015 --> 00:27:45,382 you essentially take out 2,2 kg of wild fish, 456 00:27:45,382 --> 00:27:49,990 no matter whether it's a pond or if it's in the ocean. 457 00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:52,723 How can that be sustainable? 458 00:27:58,048 --> 00:28:04,822 The ultimate question is that there is a tremendous amount of natural 459 00:28:04,822 --> 00:28:09,781 production that comes out of the oceans all the time. 460 00:28:10,983 --> 00:28:14,996 We have a massive upwelling from our ocean conveyor belt 461 00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:18,731 that brings ancient nutrients 462 00:28:19,298 --> 00:28:22,340 and our ecosystems are turning that into fish. 463 00:28:22,407 --> 00:28:26,322 Yes, they're eating each other and you're losing some of that production 464 00:28:26,591 --> 00:28:29,715 every step up in the food chain, but you get more every year. 465 00:28:30,011 --> 00:28:34,331 You can fish, take some out and next year there will be more. 466 00:28:34,486 --> 00:28:38,931 And if we do that right, without hitting the fundamental driver… 467 00:28:39,298 --> 00:28:42,273 It's like living off the interest, right? 468 00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:45,957 As long as you don't bring the principle down 469 00:28:46,223 --> 00:28:49,049 if you invest in something, 470 00:28:49,215 --> 00:28:53,590 and the principle remains high, you can live off the interest forever. 471 00:28:53,757 --> 00:28:55,465 That's the basic idea with fish. 472 00:28:55,465 --> 00:28:57,427 With our population right now… 473 00:28:58,178 --> 00:29:03,115 75% of the fish is depleted. 474 00:29:03,382 --> 00:29:06,307 It's a good analogy with money, 475 00:29:06,674 --> 00:29:09,840 We are not living off interest, we are in extreme debt. 476 00:29:10,006 --> 00:29:14,098 And if our population is trying to live as a family 477 00:29:14,465 --> 00:29:17,590 on the same amount of money 478 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:21,340 and it's increasing by 35 percent to 9 billion people. 479 00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:24,957 Isn't it just: "Hey, we have to stop spending money"? 480 00:29:24,957 --> 00:29:26,440 - Yes. - "Let's not eat fish." 481 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,657 If you can bring the principle back… 482 00:29:29,023 --> 00:29:32,796 Fishing of any type is depleting not only the species, 483 00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:38,198 you get into this serial depletion, where one fish species will be minimised 484 00:29:38,565 --> 00:29:43,685 and the fishing industry for that fishery will move on to the next species. 485 00:29:43,685 --> 00:29:47,140 It's called serial depletion, aptly named. 486 00:29:47,507 --> 00:29:49,440 In the process fish is lost, 487 00:29:49,607 --> 00:29:53,784 but the next in line is lost, 488 00:29:54,273 --> 00:29:57,390 the mechanism is still extremely destructive. 489 00:29:57,757 --> 00:30:00,990 They lose the fish species, 490 00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:03,423 but they also destroy habitats. 491 00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:10,183 They came up with the term "sustainable fishing" to make ourselves feel good about eating fish 492 00:30:10,468 --> 00:30:13,441 and continue to take fish from the oceans. 493 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:16,006 In fact, Sea Shepherd says 494 00:30:16,173 --> 00:30:18,574 that there is no such thing as "sustainable fishing". 495 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:29,180 Sea food is not a protein source for the planet. 496 00:30:30,148 --> 00:30:33,708 Nobody wants to hear it because it 497 00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:36,862 makes them feel they have to act. 498 00:30:37,063 --> 00:30:38,544 Many people don't want to 499 00:30:38,757 --> 00:30:42,806 disclose because it's uncomfortable to tell others what to do. 500 00:30:43,073 --> 00:30:45,574 But we are at a point where we must all be rational, 501 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,181 and have to realise we have to take action. 502 00:30:48,248 --> 00:30:50,700 Our founder captain Watson says: 503 00:30:50,929 --> 00:30:54,940 "If the oceans die, we die." It's not a tagline, it's the truth. 504 00:30:55,006 --> 00:30:59,474 Perhaps the only ecosystem that is being destroyed at such a rapid rate 505 00:30:59,672 --> 00:31:01,623 are the rainforests. 506 00:31:01,790 --> 00:31:04,532 Our global rainforests are the planet's lungs. 507 00:31:04,899 --> 00:31:07,599 They absorb CO2 and release oxygen. 508 00:31:08,065 --> 00:31:11,265 4000 m2 of rainforest is cleared every second. 509 00:31:11,732 --> 00:31:16,373 To create pastures and cultivate animal feed. 510 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,073 The equivalent of a football field cleared every second. 511 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:23,390 It is estimated that every day 512 00:31:23,957 --> 00:31:27,466 over 100 plant, animal and insect species are lost 513 00:31:27,975 --> 00:31:30,131 due to rainforest destruction. 514 00:31:41,632 --> 00:31:44,082 Rainforest Action Network Headquarters, San Francisco 515 00:31:44,749 --> 00:31:49,076 What is the main cause of rainforest destruction? 516 00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:53,017 (Executive Director) Human intervention, 517 00:31:53,916 --> 00:31:56,208 either by logging or agribusiness. 518 00:31:56,543 --> 00:31:58,657 The top global drivers 519 00:31:59,123 --> 00:32:01,973 varies somewhat depending on the forest 520 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,923 but the way we use these natural resources, 521 00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:10,699 on an industrial scale is the main cause. 522 00:32:10,965 --> 00:32:13,178 When I went to the Rainforest Action website 523 00:32:13,178 --> 00:32:16,173 I couldn't believe there was nothing about cattle. 524 00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:18,931 But there was a big campaign against palm oil. 525 00:32:19,398 --> 00:32:23,997 Palm oil plantations cause tremendous deforestation in the Indonesian rainforest. 526 00:32:24,074 --> 00:32:26,582 It is estimated that palm oil is responsible for 527 00:32:26,582 --> 00:32:29,313 10 million hectares of being cleared. 528 00:32:29,548 --> 00:32:32,239 Though, livestock feed crops 529 00:32:32,623 --> 00:32:37,757 are responsible for 56 million hectares of lost rainforest today. 530 00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:41,829 But I was shocked to find that on their website cattle was not included 531 00:32:42,009 --> 00:32:43,781 as one of their four main issues. 532 00:32:44,248 --> 00:32:45,808 Instead, they focused on palm, 533 00:32:45,808 --> 00:32:48,530 pulp and paper, coal and tar sands? 534 00:32:48,785 --> 00:32:52,101 How can can they not have the leading cause of rainforest destruction? 535 00:32:52,101 --> 00:32:55,407 I had to wonder: why focus on fossil fuels and not cattle? 536 00:32:55,874 --> 00:32:59,743 Is it more more fuel fossils or is it more animal agriculture? 537 00:33:00,228 --> 00:33:02,610 I don't know why we have to choose. 538 00:33:02,683 --> 00:33:04,881 I just want to know which one is it? 539 00:33:06,181 --> 00:33:08,109 I don't necessarily know what it is. 540 00:33:08,427 --> 00:33:11,505 Could the executive director of one of the largest rainforest 541 00:33:11,792 --> 00:33:15,649 protection groups really did not know what is happening? 542 00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:19,299 Or even worse, hid something? If so, why? 543 00:33:19,631 --> 00:33:22,224 I immediately went to Amazon Watch to see what they would say 544 00:33:22,224 --> 00:33:25,632 what the leading cause of rainforest destruction. 545 00:33:25,632 --> 00:33:30,124 The most biologically and culturally diverse place on the planet, 546 00:33:31,173 --> 00:33:33,028 is under massive attack right now. 547 00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:38,346 The Amazon forest could be gone in the next ten years. 548 00:33:38,681 --> 00:33:41,881 What is the leading cause rainforest destruction? 549 00:33:43,907 --> 00:33:48,465 The main cause of rainforest destruction… 550 00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:52,682 Say ... 551 00:33:52,849 --> 00:33:56,071 To put Amazon Watch in context ... 552 00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:01,799 There are many drivers of deforestation. 553 00:34:02,363 --> 00:34:07,060 Many reasons and ways to destroy forests. 554 00:34:07,244 --> 00:34:10,386 The main cause that cause the most damage 555 00:34:10,646 --> 00:34:14,611 are mega projects. 556 00:34:14,643 --> 00:34:18,426 Such as oil and gas pipelines. Mining projects, 557 00:34:18,793 --> 00:34:22,366 such as mega dam projects. We're not talking about ... 558 00:34:22,368 --> 00:34:24,860 I felt like walking in circles with all of these groups. 559 00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:27,477 As if caught in some "Cowspiracy" Twilight Zone 560 00:34:27,825 --> 00:34:29,965 where nobody could talk about cows. 561 00:34:29,965 --> 00:34:32,590 I couldn't believe these organisations just wouldn't say 562 00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:35,715 what the leading cause of rainforest destruction truly is. 563 00:34:36,081 --> 00:34:38,995 I had to ask one more time. 564 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:43,975 It's hard to say what the leading cause of deforestation in the Amazon 565 00:34:44,175 --> 00:34:49,304 because they are all destructive: oil and gas, mineral mining, dams, agriculture, 566 00:34:49,304 --> 00:34:58,559 But in terms of land use, in terms of the amount of land destroyed… 567 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,190 When we talk about in comparison to all the causes of deforestation 568 00:35:06,549 --> 00:35:11,006 what is causing the most trees to fall, for example... 569 00:35:13,459 --> 00:35:15,910 It think it would definitely be agriculture. 570 00:35:16,705 --> 00:35:21,792 Unfortunately, one of the biggest causes of deforestation 571 00:35:23,244 --> 00:35:25,930 definitely in the Brazilian Amazon, is agribusiness. 572 00:35:26,246 --> 00:35:30,549 Cattle grazing and soy production in particular. 573 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,982 This is what really is going on. 574 00:35:33,010 --> 00:35:35,006 Why do you think ... 575 00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:40,831 Nobody, like Greenpeace, will 576 00:35:40,909 --> 00:35:44,132 say the whole story? 577 00:35:44,491 --> 00:35:45,173 Yes. 578 00:35:48,009 --> 00:35:49,840 I think you raised very good points, 579 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,205 why is anyone doing anything about it. 580 00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:56,690 I think in Brazil, especially when we look at 581 00:35:57,136 --> 00:35:59,590 what happened after Forest law was passed 582 00:36:00,222 --> 00:36:06,262 people stood up against the lobbyists and private interests: 583 00:36:06,326 --> 00:36:08,610 the cattle industry, agribusiness… 584 00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:12,262 what happened to them, many of those who spoke out were killed. 585 00:36:12,262 --> 00:36:15,883 If you look at Ze Carlos, Claudio 586 00:36:16,269 --> 00:36:18,969 People who put themselves out there 587 00:36:19,168 --> 00:36:23,785 and said cattle ranching destroys the Amazon 588 00:36:25,267 --> 00:36:27,918 a lot of people who put themselves out there 589 00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:31,356 like Dorothy Stang, a nun who lived in Para 590 00:36:31,994 --> 00:36:33,757 ... was killed. 591 00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:38,798 Many people will speak up, many people stay silent 592 00:36:38,862 --> 00:36:43,840 because they don't want to be the next to end up with a bullet to their head. 593 00:36:44,848 --> 00:36:47,250 Sister Dorothy Stang was an American nun 594 00:36:47,473 --> 00:36:50,174 who lived in the heart of the Brazilian rainforest. 595 00:36:50,174 --> 00:36:52,757 She dedicated her life to protect the Amazon. 596 00:36:52,757 --> 00:36:55,757 She spoke out openly against the destruction of the rainforest 597 00:36:55,757 --> 00:36:57,498 and cattle ranching for years. 598 00:36:57,865 --> 00:37:02,364 Walking home one night she was brutally gunned down at point blank range 599 00:37:02,994 --> 00:37:05,157 by a hired gun of the cattle industry. 600 00:37:23,007 --> 00:37:25,531 After Greenpeace initial denial for the interview 601 00:37:25,531 --> 00:37:28,454 I wrote again, begging they reconsider. 602 00:37:28,509 --> 00:37:32,440 Greenpeace got back again and said again: 603 00:37:32,706 --> 00:37:36,265 "I'm afraid we explored the options in terms of helping you 604 00:37:36,531 --> 00:37:40,707 and are not going to be able to help this time." 605 00:37:41,074 --> 00:37:43,615 You mentioned you would also speak with Oceana, 606 00:37:43,615 --> 00:37:46,598 I'm sure they will be able to give you some great quotes 607 00:37:46,598 --> 00:37:48,199 about the ocean-related issues. 608 00:37:48,565 --> 00:37:50,615 Thanks again for thinking of us." 609 00:37:52,894 --> 00:37:53,723 Unbelievable. 610 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,993 With Greenpeace unwilling to be interviewed 611 00:37:55,993 --> 00:37:58,274 I had to find a different avenue to get answers. 612 00:37:58,274 --> 00:38:00,974 There's something really fishy going on over there. 613 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,639 Fortunately, I found a former Greenpeace board of director 614 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,774 who now speaks openly about the industry. 615 00:38:07,487 --> 00:38:12,040 Environmental organisations like other organisations are not telling you the truth 616 00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:16,651 about what the world needs from us as a species. 617 00:38:17,342 --> 00:38:20,676 It's so frustrating when the information is right before their eyes. 618 00:38:20,976 --> 00:38:24,823 It's documented in peer-reviewed journals, 619 00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:26,874 it's there for everybody to see, 620 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:31,615 but the environmental organisations are refusing to act. 621 00:38:31,982 --> 00:38:33,515 Nowhere you find in the policies 622 00:38:33,782 --> 00:38:36,740 or Greenpeace mission, 623 00:38:37,007 --> 00:38:39,074 that diet is important. 624 00:38:39,340 --> 00:38:43,323 That animal agriculture is the problem. 625 00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:46,406 They refuse, like other environmental organisations, 626 00:38:46,406 --> 00:38:48,106 to look at the issue. 627 00:38:48,773 --> 00:38:53,848 The environmental community is failing us and they're failing the ecosystems. 628 00:38:54,715 --> 00:38:58,990 It's so frustrating to see them do this. 629 00:39:02,847 --> 00:39:05,531 "NRDC, the Earth's best defense" 630 00:39:05,898 --> 00:39:12,565 Alright, they actually do have a few things on animal agriculture. 631 00:39:17,073 --> 00:39:22,831 The leading cause of environmental degradation is too much pollution. 632 00:39:22,831 --> 00:39:22,865 Too many engines churning too fast The main cause of environmental degradation is too much pollution. 633 00:39:22,865 --> 00:39:27,815 Too many engines churning too fast 634 00:39:28,082 --> 00:39:30,765 in too many places around the globe. 635 00:39:31,232 --> 00:39:33,731 In late 2009, a Worldwatch report: 636 00:39:33,731 --> 00:39:37,845 livestock causes 51% of greenhouse gas emissions 637 00:39:38,214 --> 00:39:40,207 and transportation is about 13%. 638 00:39:40,207 --> 00:39:44,149 On the low end there's the UN between 18 and 30%, 639 00:39:44,579 --> 00:39:48,199 which is more than all transportation together. 640 00:39:48,565 --> 00:39:50,323 Nationally ... or internationally? 641 00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:53,190 - Or nationally? - Worldwide, yes. 642 00:39:53,857 --> 00:39:58,648 I think energy production and transportation 643 00:39:59,015 --> 00:40:02,515 are still the major sources so I think ... 644 00:40:02,681 --> 00:40:08,465 I'm guess I'm not going to comment on that, because I'm not familiar with those numbers. 645 00:40:08,465 --> 00:40:11,240 So don't quote me on this, but that's cow farts. 646 00:40:11,807 --> 00:40:13,723 I think what that is. 647 00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:18,857 I think that's cow fart. 648 00:40:23,065 --> 00:40:24,764 Well, that's part of the story. 649 00:40:25,099 --> 00:40:27,989 Methane production from cows and other livestock flatulence 650 00:40:27,989 --> 00:40:29,526 is a major contributor. 651 00:40:29,553 --> 00:40:32,733 But mostly it is due to deforestation and the waste they produce. 652 00:40:33,127 --> 00:40:37,548 Which exceeds 130 times more than the waste of all humans. 653 00:40:37,844 --> 00:40:41,315 Almost all without the benefit any waste treatment. 654 00:40:42,258 --> 00:40:46,870 The NRDC absolutely has a big food programme. 655 00:40:47,105 --> 00:40:50,582 In fact, every year, we do the "Going Green Awards" 656 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,984 and we recognise food innovators. 657 00:40:54,004 --> 00:41:00,331 Last year, one of the awardees was a sustainable pork producer 658 00:41:00,967 --> 00:41:04,148 that doesn't use antibiotics. 659 00:41:05,098 --> 00:41:10,232 The antibiotic use that industrial food production 660 00:41:10,487 --> 00:41:13,557 in the US uses… 661 00:41:14,223 --> 00:41:18,357 We're getting the majority of antibiotics in the US 662 00:41:18,623 --> 00:41:22,032 are administered to healthy livestock. 663 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,473 I wanted to visit one of these sustainable farms. 664 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,207 I found the Markegard beef farm 665 00:41:31,207 --> 00:41:34,107 on the lush misty California coast. 666 00:41:42,674 --> 00:41:46,857 I met Erik and Doniga Markegard and their four children. 667 00:41:48,182 --> 00:41:52,851 Lea and Larry are usually up and out at 6 milking, 668 00:41:53,037 --> 00:41:54,652 feeding the pigs... 669 00:42:03,157 --> 00:42:09,295 Altogether, we graze 1800 hectares 670 00:42:09,365 --> 00:42:12,065 and this is our home ranch, 671 00:42:12,232 --> 00:42:16,982 and this is 380 hectares. 672 00:42:18,207 --> 00:42:24,540 On average it's one cow or a cow and a calf for every four hectares. 673 00:42:27,681 --> 00:42:37,236 Annually we produce almost 36,000 kg plate-ready meat. 674 00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:48,740 We keep about 10 pigs in a 20 hectare area. 675 00:42:49,009 --> 00:42:52,648 and move them in 4 acre pastures. 676 00:42:53,015 --> 00:42:58,409 (Daughter) Some say pigs are dirty and gross, but I like them. 677 00:42:58,848 --> 00:43:06,357 They know people and they will be friends and real nice. 678 00:43:06,881 --> 00:43:11,799 They could be your best friend or like a sister. 679 00:43:11,965 --> 00:43:13,715 See. 680 00:43:13,881 --> 00:43:17,549 They know you and we get to know them. 681 00:43:18,215 --> 00:43:21,248 I shouldn't be bonding but we have to have nice pigs. 682 00:43:21,315 --> 00:43:23,048 Why shouldn't you bond with them? 683 00:43:23,048 --> 00:43:25,823 Because they will turn into bacon. 684 00:43:26,590 --> 00:43:32,065 These pigs are 7 months old now. 685 00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:35,490 These bigger ones are getting ready to be killed. 686 00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:40,507 The two smaller ones can grow for a few more months. 687 00:43:41,507 --> 00:43:47,166 I love, I love animals and that's why I'm in the meat business. 688 00:43:47,549 --> 00:43:51,196 What society needs to see more 689 00:43:51,499 --> 00:43:56,549 is that that packaged piece of meat is a living animal 690 00:43:57,757 --> 00:44:02,257 living, breathing creature. 691 00:44:02,423 --> 00:44:06,990 Yes, it's hard, it's hard, but what Doniga said earlier, 692 00:44:07,965 --> 00:44:10,140 we do it because we love them. 693 00:44:10,507 --> 00:44:13,006 With the land use 694 00:44:13,173 --> 00:44:19,965 that is between 1 to 1,5 hectare per cow ... 695 00:44:20,131 --> 00:44:25,231 all the way up to, depending on, not as lush as this, up to 14 acres. 696 00:44:25,298 --> 00:44:27,865 Yes, we have a ranch in South Dakota that is 697 00:44:28,231 --> 00:44:31,590 20 hectares ... Yes, it's 20 ha, yes. 698 00:44:31,857 --> 00:44:33,757 Why is that? 699 00:44:34,023 --> 00:44:37,090 The same thing, it was farmed and robbed of the nitrogens. 700 00:44:37,167 --> 00:44:39,661 - Abused the land… - It's also seasonal, right? 701 00:44:39,662 --> 00:44:41,307 It's also seasonal. 702 00:44:41,674 --> 00:44:46,799 Is it possible and practical for the whole world to say: 703 00:44:46,965 --> 00:44:49,048 "Grow grass-fed cattle"? 704 00:44:49,315 --> 00:44:50,865 Like say in Brazil, where 705 00:44:51,481 --> 00:44:57,432 80% of the rainforest was destroyed for cattle. 706 00:44:57,799 --> 00:45:00,140 What are your thoughts on that? 707 00:45:00,507 --> 00:45:03,998 They shouldn't eat beef. 708 00:45:04,465 --> 00:45:09,250 If their environment wasn't designed to raise beef 709 00:45:09,257 --> 00:45:11,444 - they shouldn't be eating it. - Yeah. 710 00:45:11,465 --> 00:45:15,215 How do you offset the carbon footprint of livestock? 711 00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:23,923 We don't feel that livestock have a carbon footprint. 712 00:45:24,715 --> 00:45:26,715 I left feeling confused. 713 00:45:26,881 --> 00:45:29,774 As far as grass-fed beef not having a carbon footprint 714 00:45:29,774 --> 00:45:31,945 sounded like it could make sense. 715 00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:34,915 Until I added up the numbers on land use and population. 716 00:45:34,915 --> 00:45:37,444 If we use the Markegard model for raising animals 717 00:45:37,444 --> 00:45:40,674 which requires about 1800 ha to produce 36,300 kg of meat. 718 00:45:40,674 --> 00:45:43,549 The average American eats 95 kg of meat per year. 719 00:45:43,549 --> 00:45:44,990 If that was all grass-fed beef 720 00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:47,670 only 382 people could be fed on the land. 721 00:45:48,006 --> 00:45:53,131 That's 5 ha per person, times 314 million Americans, 722 00:45:53,298 --> 00:45:56,474 which equals 1,3 billion ha grazing land. 723 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,457 Unfortunately, there are only 809 million ha in 48 US lower states. 724 00:46:01,923 --> 00:46:06,632 Currently, nearly half of US land is already dedicated to animal agriculture. 725 00:46:06,899 --> 00:46:08,532 If we switch to grass-fed beef 726 00:46:08,899 --> 00:46:11,715 it would require every cm2 in the US. 727 00:46:11,981 --> 00:46:15,999 Up to Canada, all of Central America and well into South America. 728 00:46:16,065 --> 00:46:19,040 And this is just to feed US demand on meat. 729 00:46:19,106 --> 00:46:22,023 But that figure does not even take into consideration 730 00:46:22,023 --> 00:46:24,750 that much of the land is not suited for livestock. 731 00:46:24,757 --> 00:46:28,273 We would have to convert all mountain ranges to grass lands. 732 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,640 Clear ancient forests and national parks for grazing. 733 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,690 And demolish every city to make room to graze cows. 734 00:46:35,857 --> 00:46:40,031 Just like Brazil, the US is not suited to meet demands for meat. 735 00:46:40,232 --> 00:46:43,280 It takes 23 months for a grass-fed animal to 736 00:46:43,318 --> 00:46:46,347 grow and reach slaughter age. 737 00:46:46,584 --> 00:46:49,535 A grain-fed cow takes 15 months. 738 00:46:49,571 --> 00:46:55,215 That's an additional eight months of water use, land use, feed, waste. 739 00:46:55,482 --> 00:46:58,857 In terms of the carbon foot print, it's a huge difference. 740 00:46:59,023 --> 00:47:00,532 Turns out, due to land use 741 00:47:00,899 --> 00:47:05,940 grass-fed beef is more unsustainable than even factory farming. 742 00:47:06,023 --> 00:47:09,695 I had to come to terms with the fact that there are not 743 00:47:09,732 --> 00:47:12,607 enough animals for the world's demand for meat 744 00:47:12,774 --> 00:47:14,565 and had my doubts on dairy as well. 745 00:47:14,732 --> 00:47:17,732 But I wanted to talk with a premier organic dairy company. 746 00:47:17,732 --> 00:47:21,407 to see if their product was sustainable for the world's population. 747 00:47:21,674 --> 00:47:24,872 It requires a lot of inputs. 748 00:47:25,107 --> 00:47:28,808 Feed, water, land. 749 00:47:30,338 --> 00:47:34,200 It may not be practical to expect that there can 750 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:39,106 be enough dairy produced sustainably to feed the entire world. 751 00:47:39,106 --> 00:47:42,962 I think that's not necessarily a given. 752 00:47:43,067 --> 00:47:46,078 I think maybe it's too much to expect 753 00:47:46,313 --> 00:47:52,064 that the world can be fed with sustainable dairy. 754 00:47:52,299 --> 00:47:55,282 I don't know the answer, but common sense would say, 755 00:47:55,949 --> 00:47:57,649 that's a long shot. 756 00:47:58,115 --> 00:48:00,482 I was shocked to hear such an honest answer. 757 00:48:00,849 --> 00:48:05,165 If this is what the dairy CEO would say, what would the farmer claim? 758 00:48:05,431 --> 00:48:08,849 Based on their marketing their farms are an oasis for cows. 759 00:48:08,849 --> 00:48:11,490 FOR GOODNESS SAKE Drink Clover Milk 760 00:48:14,498 --> 00:48:17,200 It was not what I expected. 761 00:48:28,598 --> 00:48:33,514 Normally a cow consumes 64-70 kg of feed a day. 762 00:48:33,965 --> 00:48:37,415 - Between 64 ... - Between 64 and 70 kg a day. 763 00:48:37,782 --> 00:48:40,974 She also drinks between 114-151 litres of water. 764 00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:42,473 My God. 765 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,715 We use about 20 tons per week. 766 00:48:47,281 --> 00:48:50,473 - 20 tonnes of grain per week. - 20 tonnes. 767 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,515 Primarily for milking cows, so about 250 cows. 768 00:48:56,348 --> 00:48:58,974 The biggest part of sustainability, to me, 769 00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:02,890 the number one thing on the list should be profitability 770 00:49:03,974 --> 00:49:07,215 How the process completely works from start to finish: 771 00:49:07,215 --> 00:49:09,890 The cow needs to have a baby in order to give milk. 772 00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:14,665 So she have the baby, the baby is going to stay with the mother for at least two days. 773 00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:17,890 The babies will go off to a calve-raising facility. 774 00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:20,665 They are raised in an individual hutch. 775 00:49:20,932 --> 00:49:24,598 Since we are a dairy, only the girl cows give us milk, so the boys 776 00:49:24,598 --> 00:49:28,807 on typical dairies are sold off to beef-raising facilities. 777 00:49:28,974 --> 00:49:31,899 But we keep half of them for two years 778 00:49:32,265 --> 00:49:34,482 and sell them as organic grass-fed beef. 779 00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:38,331 So all dairy cows eventually go to the beef industry? 780 00:49:40,099 --> 00:49:42,074 At some point in time she will drop off 781 00:49:42,074 --> 00:49:44,540 and you have to make a business decision. 782 00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:47,148 Do you keep investing in her to give milk 783 00:49:47,515 --> 00:49:51,932 or sell her off to another dairy or to the beef industry. 784 00:50:02,348 --> 00:50:05,774 Only a few places on the planet have this type of environment. 785 00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:09,857 But the demand for dairy-based protein will increase in the world. 786 00:50:10,223 --> 00:50:11,942 There is not enough land on the planet 787 00:50:11,942 --> 00:50:15,257 for this type of dairying. 788 00:50:15,673 --> 00:50:20,099 The land is not there. 789 00:50:20,265 --> 00:50:27,099 On a global scale the conclusion would be it's not sustainable 790 00:50:27,099 --> 00:50:30,807 Unless we dig up houses and put pastures back. 791 00:50:32,431 --> 00:50:36,457 For this to happen, there have to be less people. 792 00:50:36,923 --> 00:50:41,598 But we know the population continues to grow. 793 00:50:42,348 --> 00:50:44,899 That means more commercial dairy, I'm sure. 794 00:50:45,265 --> 00:50:47,440 That or lower the demand ... 795 00:50:47,907 --> 00:50:50,140 Yes, or another product will take its place. 796 00:50:50,506 --> 00:50:53,849 We see all sorts of soy and almond milks 797 00:50:54,015 --> 00:50:56,348 other products and different blends. 798 00:50:56,515 --> 00:51:00,557 Juices and proteins. 799 00:51:00,823 --> 00:51:02,458 I think we'll see more of that. 800 00:51:02,682 --> 00:51:05,925 He was right. How could cow's milk be sustainable? 801 00:51:05,932 --> 00:51:11,099 1 litre of milk it takes a 1000 litres of water to produce. 802 00:51:11,515 --> 00:51:13,565 Doing research on grass-fed livestock 803 00:51:13,565 --> 00:51:16,099 I kept coming across the work of Allan Savory. 804 00:51:16,265 --> 00:51:19,406 Almost a third of the planet is becoming desert, 805 00:51:19,473 --> 00:51:22,306 with the vast majority due to livestock grazing. 806 00:51:22,473 --> 00:51:26,023 Savory claims that the best way to reverse this desertification 807 00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:28,907 is to actually graze more animals. 808 00:51:28,974 --> 00:51:30,773 This reminded me of Oceana saying 809 00:51:30,773 --> 00:51:33,181 that the best way to help fish is to eat fish. 810 00:51:33,181 --> 00:51:34,390 This is the same man 811 00:51:34,557 --> 00:51:37,057 who in the 1950s, working as a research officer 812 00:51:37,223 --> 00:51:39,807 for the Game Department of what is now Zimbabwe, 813 00:51:39,807 --> 00:51:42,807 came up with the theory, in spite of scientific evidence 814 00:51:42,974 --> 00:51:46,446 that elephants caused the desertification. 815 00:51:46,473 --> 00:51:51,306 His solution was to convince the government to kill 40,000 elephants. 816 00:51:55,807 --> 00:52:02,965 Yet, after 14 years of relentless slaughter the conditions got worse. 817 00:52:03,032 --> 00:52:05,974 His theory was wrong. 818 00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:08,140 The culling finally ended, 819 00:52:08,306 --> 00:52:12,465 but not before tens of thousands of elephants and their families were killed. 820 00:52:13,132 --> 00:52:17,223 This is not someone I would ever take ecological advice from. 821 00:52:27,057 --> 00:52:30,199 It turns out the cattle industry has the same effect 822 00:52:30,465 --> 00:52:33,132 on wild life in the US. 823 00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,657 The government is rounding up horses in mass. 824 00:52:35,723 --> 00:52:39,640 We have now more wild horses and donkeys in state farms. 825 00:52:39,841 --> 00:52:44,515 50.000 horses and burros more than free on the range. 826 00:52:44,782 --> 00:52:48,448 Basically, rangers get to graze on our public lands 827 00:52:48,615 --> 00:52:50,573 for a a fraction of the going rate. 828 00:52:50,740 --> 00:52:54,823 They enjoy tax subsidies, about 1/15 of the going rate. 829 00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:57,199 What the Bureau's Land Management has to do is say: 830 00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:59,465 "How much forage and water is on the land?" 831 00:52:59,465 --> 00:53:00,540 Then they divide, 832 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:03,682 a part for the cows, other to "wildlife". 833 00:53:03,949 --> 00:53:05,890 and to wild horses and burros. 834 00:53:06,157 --> 00:53:09,865 What we see is that most forage and water 835 00:53:10,032 --> 00:53:11,865 goes to the livestock industry. 836 00:53:12,232 --> 00:53:14,898 They scapegoat the horses and burros and say: 837 00:53:14,898 --> 00:53:17,782 "There are too many horses and burros, let's remove them." 838 00:53:18,831 --> 00:53:22,157 I always tell people that the wild horses and donkeys are just victims 839 00:53:22,157 --> 00:53:24,774 of the management of public lands for livestock 840 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,065 because we also see the predator killing going on. 841 00:53:28,065 --> 00:53:32,240 We now know wolves are targeted by ranchers. 842 00:53:32,706 --> 00:53:36,982 The Department of Agriculture has air-craft and do aerial gunning of predators. 843 00:53:36,982 --> 00:53:39,615 All a rancher needs to say: "I've got a coyote here." 844 00:53:39,982 --> 00:53:41,782 They come over and shoot the coyote. 845 00:53:41,949 --> 00:53:44,365 Or shoot the mountain lion or shoot the bobcat. 846 00:53:44,831 --> 00:53:47,115 And this is all for ranching. 847 00:53:47,481 --> 00:53:52,106 In Washington State, after cattle was attacked 848 00:53:52,331 --> 00:53:55,143 on public lands where it was grazing 849 00:53:56,074 --> 00:54:02,531 Washington state decided to kill an entire pack of wolves. 850 00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:07,448 Those wolves were not introduced, they had immigrated from Canada. 851 00:54:07,615 --> 00:54:09,448 But they're no longer there. 852 00:54:09,715 --> 00:54:13,283 It starts at the local level, with the Bureau of Land Management 853 00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:15,440 but then it goes to Congress. 854 00:54:15,545 --> 00:54:19,112 And we see that Congress allows 855 00:54:19,247 --> 00:54:22,036 this type of mismanagement of public land to continue. 856 00:54:22,036 --> 00:54:28,779 It is the insistence and lobbying power of the agriculture industry 857 00:54:29,331 --> 00:54:32,949 that continues to see wolves killed. 858 00:54:33,115 --> 00:54:36,667 and insists on predators being maintained at 859 00:54:36,737 --> 00:54:41,199 a low level that does not benefit the ecosystems. 860 00:54:41,365 --> 00:54:45,360 I've seen so many pieces of land, so many environmental assessments 861 00:54:45,819 --> 00:54:48,932 from the Bureau of Land Management that say 862 00:54:48,934 --> 00:54:50,840 the range land does not meet the standards. 863 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,650 They say straight up livestock-raising is a cause 864 00:54:53,650 --> 00:54:55,265 for not meeting range standards. 865 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,566 Yet they allow livestock grazing. 866 00:54:58,942 --> 00:55:05,706 They are at the core of making sure that cougars are hunted by hounds, 867 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,306 that wolf packs are run down, 868 00:55:08,573 --> 00:55:12,957 that hunting seasons are opened up year-round, 869 00:55:13,023 --> 00:55:15,984 that traps are set so that they suffer. 870 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:20,144 If anyone cares for horses, wildlife and public land 871 00:55:20,444 --> 00:55:23,149 and the environment, you can't ignore livestock, 872 00:55:23,149 --> 00:55:27,261 the negative impact of livestock grazing on public lands in the West. 873 00:55:28,149 --> 00:55:32,267 I added up the cost of animal food production 874 00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:35,581 that producers don't bear themselves. 875 00:55:35,648 --> 00:55:38,082 The hidden or externalised costs 876 00:55:38,317 --> 00:55:39,907 that they impose on society. 877 00:55:40,074 --> 00:55:44,032 Those are categories like health care, environmental damage, 878 00:55:44,399 --> 00:55:47,915 subsidies, damage to fisheries and even cruelty. 879 00:55:48,481 --> 00:55:53,032 Those external costs are about 332 billion euros. 880 00:55:53,299 --> 00:55:58,455 If the dairy and meat industry would internalise these costs, 881 00:55:58,690 --> 00:56:00,703 if they had to bear the costs themselves, 882 00:56:01,074 --> 00:56:05,525 the price of meat and dairy would skyrocket. 883 00:56:06,723 --> 00:56:09,786 A 5 euro carton of eggs would go to 10 euros. 884 00:56:10,105 --> 00:56:12,330 A 3,50 euro Big Mac would go to 9 euros. 885 00:56:13,218 --> 00:56:16,974 The problem with these external costs imposed on society 886 00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:19,565 is whether you eat meat or not 887 00:56:19,799 --> 00:56:21,929 whether you're an omnivore or an herbivore 888 00:56:22,215 --> 00:56:26,594 you pay part of the costs of someone else's consumption. 889 00:56:26,594 --> 00:56:28,306 When someone goes to McDonald's 890 00:56:28,573 --> 00:56:30,693 and buys a 3,50 euro Big Mac. 891 00:56:30,706 --> 00:56:34,160 there's another 6,35 euro of costs are imposed on society. 892 00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:37,365 I'm paying that paying that, you're paying that whether you eat meat or not. 893 00:56:37,365 --> 00:56:42,515 When we look at who benefits and lobbies for this system of agriculture 894 00:56:43,013 --> 00:56:46,546 it's the largest food and meat 895 00:56:46,833 --> 00:56:48,685 producers in the country. 896 00:56:49,057 --> 00:56:52,117 And once they become so large and wealthy they 897 00:56:52,351 --> 00:56:57,147 can dictate federal policies around producing food. 898 00:56:57,681 --> 00:57:01,336 because they have so much political power. 899 00:57:01,715 --> 00:57:04,212 Was this why Al Gore, even as vice-president, 900 00:57:04,594 --> 00:57:06,573 never addressed the question of animal agriculture 901 00:57:06,573 --> 00:57:09,240 and failed to mention it his film "An Inconvenient Truth" 902 00:57:09,406 --> 00:57:12,141 or in his organisation the Climate Reality Project? 903 00:57:12,476 --> 00:57:15,418 Was this truth just too inconvenient, for even him? 904 00:57:16,018 --> 00:57:19,624 I felt let down by the man who inspired me in on this path. 905 00:57:20,523 --> 00:57:23,340 I had to speak with an animal agriculture lobbyist 906 00:57:23,606 --> 00:57:25,374 to see what they would say. 907 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,274 If they can silence the government, can they 908 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,657 influence environmental groups as well? 909 00:57:32,023 --> 00:57:35,365 Agriculture Animal Alliance, one of biggest animal agriculture lobby groups 910 00:57:35,365 --> 00:57:38,898 agreed to an interview. Greenpeace won't give us an interview 911 00:57:39,065 --> 00:57:42,190 but Animal Agriculture Alliance has agreed to an interview. 912 00:57:42,357 --> 00:57:44,232 Now that... 913 00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:46,417 That is saying something. 914 00:57:46,893 --> 00:57:50,340 People hear the word GMOs and it's a scary term. 915 00:57:50,611 --> 00:57:54,486 and agriculture struggles to explain what that means. 916 00:57:54,563 --> 00:58:00,606 In reality we use technology to make advancements 917 00:58:01,922 --> 00:58:03,988 in how we grow and raise animals. 918 00:58:03,988 --> 00:58:07,860 We're not going to feed the world on how it was 100 years ago 919 00:58:08,023 --> 00:58:10,273 where all animals were pasture-fed. 920 00:58:10,523 --> 00:58:14,523 We not just move animals inside and implemented 921 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,781 large vertically integrated systems. Because of sustainability 922 00:58:18,132 --> 00:58:21,015 it certainly reduces the environmental impact, 923 00:58:21,015 --> 00:58:24,305 while improving animal welfare and food safety. 924 00:58:24,887 --> 00:58:28,374 So that animals like it inside just as much as 925 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,427 say the chickens and cows, fond of being inside 926 00:58:31,446 --> 00:58:33,323 they like the ones pasture-fed? 927 00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:37,631 In many cases it improved their wellbeing, 928 00:58:37,898 --> 00:58:41,531 in terms of the care they can get, individually. 929 00:58:41,898 --> 00:58:43,923 Does the meat and dairy industry ever support 930 00:58:43,923 --> 00:58:47,023 or donate to environmental non-profits? 931 00:58:47,621 --> 00:58:49,969 I don't know if I want to comment on that. 932 00:58:49,999 --> 00:58:52,238 (Voice of the President Kay Smith Animal Agriculture Alliance) Yeah, I… 933 00:58:52,238 --> 00:58:54,023 I don't know. 934 00:58:54,982 --> 00:59:00,826 (Voice of the President Kay Smith Animal Agriculture Alliance) [?] They don't need to know who we donate to or not donate to. 935 00:59:00,826 --> 00:59:05,690 Does the meat and dairy industry ever support or donate to Greenpeace? 936 00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:09,773 Again, I don't know if I feel comfortable ... 937 00:59:12,565 --> 00:59:14,876 Hi, sorry we didn't contact earlier. 938 00:59:15,051 --> 00:59:16,384 I have some bad news. 939 00:59:16,429 --> 00:59:20,399 (call from film backer) Unfortunately, we are not longer able to continue to fund your film project. 940 00:59:20,399 --> 00:59:23,898 We had a meeting and due to the growing controversial subject matter 941 00:59:24,165 --> 00:59:26,883 we have some concerns and have to pull out. 942 00:59:26,916 --> 00:59:29,357 Why was this subject so controversial? 943 00:59:29,423 --> 00:59:32,648 The first person I could think to speak with, was Howard Lyman 944 00:59:32,648 --> 00:59:35,443 who was sued by cattlemen for speaking the truth about 945 00:59:35,443 --> 00:59:39,198 animal agriculture on The Oprah Winfrey Show. 946 00:59:41,282 --> 00:59:46,449 I was born on the largest dairy farm of Montana in 1938. 947 00:59:48,323 --> 00:59:54,010 Grew up and lived on a livestock farm. 948 00:59:54,115 --> 00:59:58,315 I graduated on Agriculture at Montana State University. 949 00:59:58,781 --> 01:00:06,842 Came back and developed a mega venture in agriculture 950 01:00:07,236 --> 01:00:09,781 with 4046 ha in crops, 951 01:00:09,948 --> 01:00:12,781 7000 head of cattle 952 01:00:13,574 --> 01:00:15,823 and about 30 employees. 953 01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:20,540 I spent 45 years of my life in animal agriculture. 954 01:00:22,634 --> 01:00:24,690 I've been there, done that. 955 01:00:25,407 --> 01:00:28,695 When I was on the Oprah show we had the Food-Disparagement Law 956 01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:34,014 In my opinion the law was unconstitutional. 957 01:00:34,049 --> 01:00:37,720 What it basically said, it was illegal 958 01:00:38,055 --> 01:00:43,657 to state something that was known to be false about a perishable product. 959 01:00:43,823 --> 01:00:47,282 I didn't say anything on the show that I thought was false. 960 01:00:47,449 --> 01:00:49,948 I went there and told the truth. 961 01:00:50,215 --> 01:00:55,499 It took five years and hundreds of thousands of dollars 962 01:00:55,865 --> 01:01:03,330 to get rid of the suits from the cattle industry. 963 01:01:03,906 --> 01:01:08,657 But if was to go on the Oprah Show today 964 01:01:08,823 --> 01:01:13,540 I'd say exactly the same thing I said back then, 965 01:01:14,006 --> 01:01:15,823 I would be guilty. 966 01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:21,328 For me, when they were talking about the Food-Disparagement Law 967 01:01:21,858 --> 01:01:25,806 was about whether I told the truth or not. 968 01:01:26,073 --> 01:01:30,149 You can go today and tell the truth 969 01:01:30,715 --> 01:01:32,831 and you will be guilty. 970 01:01:33,298 --> 01:01:36,640 Because if you cause a disruption 971 01:01:36,906 --> 01:01:41,007 in the profits of the animal industry, 972 01:01:41,774 --> 01:01:44,690 you're guilty under the Patriot Act. 973 01:01:45,157 --> 01:01:50,323 Do you think there should be any concerns of us making this documentary? 974 01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:51,906 Of course! 975 01:01:52,073 --> 01:01:54,323 If you don't realise 976 01:01:54,490 --> 01:01:57,881 that you're putting your neck on the chopping block, 977 01:01:59,468 --> 01:02:02,849 you better take that camera and throw it away. 978 01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:09,357 The animal and agriculture industry is one of the most powerful on the planet. 979 01:02:09,357 --> 01:02:12,423 I think most people in this country are aware of the influence 980 01:02:12,423 --> 01:02:16,965 of the money and industry on politics, and we see it clearly 981 01:02:17,257 --> 01:02:19,077 with this industry in particular. 982 01:02:19,077 --> 01:02:20,178 Most people would be shocked 983 01:02:20,178 --> 01:02:22,524 to learn that animal rights and environmental activists 984 01:02:22,524 --> 01:02:26,223 are the number one domestic terrorism threat according to the FBI. 985 01:02:26,223 --> 01:02:28,826 - Why is that? - Difficult to answer 986 01:02:29,161 --> 01:02:32,623 why the these groups are on the top of the FBI's priorities. 987 01:02:32,623 --> 01:02:35,036 I think a big part of it is that 988 01:02:35,291 --> 01:02:37,940 that they more than any other social movement, 989 01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:40,006 directly threaten corporate profits. 990 01:02:40,273 --> 01:02:43,496 When we try to find out how factory farms, 991 01:02:43,911 --> 01:02:46,355 how animal agriculture is pulling the environment, 992 01:02:46,355 --> 01:02:48,540 they try to claim exemptions to that information 993 01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:51,623 either under national security terms or public safety, 994 01:02:52,290 --> 01:02:55,834 trade mark issues, it's a business secret. 995 01:02:55,845 --> 01:02:57,950 We've seen all these attempts to keep people in the dark 996 01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:59,787 about what they're actually doing. 997 01:03:00,085 --> 01:03:02,057 One of the biggest industries on the planet 998 01:03:02,437 --> 01:03:04,278 with the biggest environmental impact, 999 01:03:04,278 --> 01:03:06,465 trying to keep us in the dark on how it's operating. 1000 01:03:06,465 --> 01:03:09,062 Through the Freedom of Information Act we got documents from 1001 01:03:09,062 --> 01:03:10,230 the antiterrorism unit, 1002 01:03:10,606 --> 01:03:13,449 that show they monitor my lectures, 1003 01:03:13,615 --> 01:03:16,957 media interviews like this one, my website, my book... 1004 01:03:17,323 --> 01:03:19,964 Are we at risk filming and showing this? 1005 01:03:20,255 --> 01:03:23,323 You're going up against people that have massive legal resources. 1006 01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:26,946 The amount of money at their disposal is overwhelming 1007 01:03:27,455 --> 01:03:28,500 And you have nothing. 1008 01:03:28,528 --> 01:03:31,650 I think that fear is a big part of the tactic as well. 1009 01:03:32,521 --> 01:03:34,640 Will was right, I was scared. 1010 01:03:35,206 --> 01:03:37,235 When I learned about activists killed in Brazil 1011 01:03:37,235 --> 01:03:39,590 I was disturbed, but it was far away. 1012 01:03:39,857 --> 01:03:42,194 But learn about American activists and journalists 1013 01:03:42,194 --> 01:03:44,940 being targets of the animal agriculture industry and the FBI? 1014 01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:46,665 My funding being dropped? 1015 01:03:46,732 --> 01:03:49,607 I was genuinely worried when it hit me directly. 1016 01:03:49,774 --> 01:03:52,740 Was this why noone was willing to talk about the issue? 1017 01:03:53,106 --> 01:03:57,190 I decided to take precautionary measures with all the footage we shot. 1018 01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:08,357 I was beyond frightened to imagine what could possibly happen 1019 01:04:08,357 --> 01:04:11,040 if I would pursue this project any further? 1020 01:04:11,106 --> 01:04:16,774 It seemed the only decision to make was to put down the cameras and walk away. 1021 01:04:18,981 --> 01:04:21,450 Then I realised that this issue was way bigger 1022 01:04:21,685 --> 01:04:24,674 than any personal concern I could ever have for myself. 1023 01:04:24,940 --> 01:04:28,607 This was about all life on earth hanging in the balance of our actions. 1024 01:04:28,774 --> 01:04:31,857 Either you live for something or die for nothing. 1025 01:04:32,023 --> 01:04:34,482 I actually had no choice all along. 1026 01:04:34,649 --> 01:04:37,557 I decided then to surrender not to fear from a secret 1027 01:04:37,557 --> 01:04:39,690 but rather to a cause to its truth. 1028 01:04:39,857 --> 01:04:41,894 I couldn't be like the environmental NGOs, 1029 01:04:41,894 --> 01:04:46,173 when the planet was being eaten alive in front of our eyes. 1030 01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:49,523 I had to stand up and continue on. 1031 01:04:56,523 --> 01:04:59,390 Some people would say the problem isn't really animal agriculture 1032 01:04:59,657 --> 01:05:02,315 but human over-population. 1033 01:05:04,565 --> 01:05:07,398 In 1812 there were 1 billion people on the planet. 1034 01:05:07,565 --> 01:05:10,048 In 1912, 1,5 billion. 1035 01:05:10,315 --> 01:05:16,009 Just 100 years later, our population exploded to 7 billion. 1036 01:05:16,244 --> 01:05:18,507 This number gets much attention 1037 01:05:18,774 --> 01:05:22,148 but a more important figure 1038 01:05:22,315 --> 01:05:27,815 are the 70 billion farm animals humans raise. 1039 01:05:28,123 --> 01:05:32,440 The human population drinks 20 billion litres of water per day 1040 01:05:32,607 --> 01:05:35,240 and eats 4,3 billion kilos of food. 1041 01:05:35,607 --> 01:05:38,106 But the 1,5 billion cows in the world, 1042 01:05:38,473 --> 01:05:41,472 drink 170 billion litres of water per day. 1043 01:05:41,716 --> 01:05:44,915 and eat 60 billion pounds of food. 1044 01:05:45,081 --> 01:05:47,115 This less of a human population issue 1045 01:05:47,582 --> 01:05:50,515 but more a "human eating animals" population issue. 1046 01:05:50,682 --> 01:05:53,092 Environmental organisations not addressing this 1047 01:05:53,092 --> 01:05:56,031 is like health organisations fighting lung cancer and 1048 01:05:56,031 --> 01:05:58,040 not speaking about cigarette smoking. 1049 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,981 But instead of passive smoking, it's second-hand eating 1050 01:06:01,081 --> 01:06:02,940 which affects the entire planet. 1051 01:06:03,206 --> 01:06:08,663 (Environmental and Ethics Author) We grow enough food to feed between 12 and 15 billion people. 1052 01:06:08,998 --> 01:06:10,257 We have 7 billion people. 1053 01:06:10,623 --> 01:06:14,840 We have roughly a billion people starving every day. 1054 01:06:15,206 --> 01:06:19,226 Worldwide, 50% of the grain and legumes we're growing, 1055 01:06:19,504 --> 01:06:20,874 are to feed the animals. 1056 01:06:20,874 --> 01:06:23,173 They're eating huge amounts of grain and legumes. 1057 01:06:23,540 --> 01:06:28,164 In the US it's close to 70-80%, depending on the grain 1058 01:06:28,248 --> 01:06:30,315 90% ... 90% of the soya beans. 1059 01:06:30,582 --> 01:06:34,836 82% of the world's starving children live 1060 01:06:34,997 --> 01:06:38,698 in countries where food is fed to animals in the livestock systems 1061 01:06:38,698 --> 01:06:41,515 and are killed and eaten by more well-off individuals 1062 01:06:41,515 --> 01:06:44,165 in developed countries, such as US, UK and Europe, 1063 01:06:44,165 --> 01:06:49,290 The fact is today we could feed every human being on the planet today 1064 01:06:49,801 --> 01:06:51,323 with an adequate diet, 1065 01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:56,965 if we take the feed we're feeding to animals 1066 01:06:57,431 --> 01:07:00,290 and turn it into food for humans. 1067 01:07:00,657 --> 01:07:04,707 Someone trying to justify GMOs 1068 01:07:04,874 --> 01:07:08,690 is like trying to give a drowning man a drink of water. 1069 01:07:09,057 --> 01:07:13,590 You can produce on average, 15 times more protein 1070 01:07:14,057 --> 01:07:21,119 from plant-based sources than from meat on any given area of land. 1071 01:07:21,354 --> 01:07:23,874 Whether it's a very fertile area 1072 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,707 or on a depleted area. 1073 01:07:25,874 --> 01:07:29,415 If we would reduce the amount of meat we're eating, dairy and eggs. 1074 01:07:29,861 --> 01:07:31,899 we could allow all those mono-crop fields 1075 01:07:32,165 --> 01:07:34,682 with genetically engineered corn and soya beans 1076 01:07:34,682 --> 01:07:38,065 to revert back to forest again to be habitat for animals. 1077 01:07:38,531 --> 01:07:44,140 Anytime someone tells you "we can't grow food for humans on 1078 01:07:44,406 --> 01:07:48,074 land that we're growing feed for animals," 1079 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,641 this is somebody that is moking the number one crop out of California. 1080 01:07:53,913 --> 01:07:58,849 The fact of is, if you can grow grow corn to stuff down on an animal, 1081 01:07:59,115 --> 01:08:02,390 we can grow corn and feed it to a human. 1082 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,240 You encourage people to eat less meat, for the tremendous resources required 1083 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,032 and the toll on the environment. 1084 01:08:09,032 --> 01:08:11,065 - And on the animals. - And on the animals. 1085 01:08:11,252 --> 01:08:14,281 And the workers in the system. It's a brutal system at every level. 1086 01:08:14,281 --> 01:08:18,974 As the world population grows to 9 billion 1087 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,993 do you foresee that one day we will have to stop eating meat altogether? 1088 01:08:25,234 --> 01:08:27,129 I don't know if we will completely stop. 1089 01:08:27,129 --> 01:08:29,907 I think the amount of meat eating will decline. 1090 01:08:29,907 --> 01:08:32,800 There is no way to support 255 gr meat per person per day, 1091 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,957 what Americans are eating now. 1092 01:08:35,323 --> 01:08:37,723 If the Chinese alone decide to eat that much, 1093 01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:40,199 and they decided they want eat the same amount. 1094 01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:43,199 We don't have enough world 1095 01:08:43,365 --> 01:08:46,135 to produce the grain to generate that much meat. 1096 01:08:46,927 --> 01:08:50,949 I think a plant-based diet is the most sustainable. 1097 01:08:51,115 --> 01:08:54,652 What do you recommend the 9 billion people to eat, 1098 01:08:54,652 --> 01:08:57,115 not only to sustain, but also to thrive? 1099 01:08:57,115 --> 01:08:59,615 Would you throw a number ... Like 30 grams? 1100 01:08:59,782 --> 01:09:02,805 - For meat? - Including dairy. 1101 01:09:02,874 --> 01:09:05,823 I don't know enough. 1102 01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:09,856 It would be at the order of a couple of ounces a week. 1103 01:09:09,856 --> 01:09:12,629 Not how we're eating it now. 1104 01:09:12,764 --> 01:09:15,490 We are gorging on meat, eating huge amounts. 1105 01:09:15,657 --> 01:09:17,823 - Does that include cheese? - Yeah, yeah. 1106 01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:21,465 - Some 60 grams in total? - Yes, cheese and milk. 1107 01:09:21,531 --> 01:09:23,613 Only 60 grams per week seems nothing. 1108 01:09:23,848 --> 01:09:26,281 People could probably produce that at home. 1109 01:09:26,448 --> 01:09:29,199 Maybe backyard farming was a sustainable solution. 1110 01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:30,698 I have 42 ducks. 1111 01:09:30,865 --> 01:09:33,531 I started with three ducks three years ago. 1112 01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:39,157 Those burdened into a population. 1113 01:09:39,158 --> 01:09:41,576 I buy a 70-pound seed bag. 1114 01:09:41,577 --> 01:09:45,577 That seed bag will last about two weeks. 1115 01:09:45,681 --> 01:09:49,981 The ducks that we're gonna be culling are about two years old. 1116 01:09:50,619 --> 01:09:53,054 When you're living with them, they get used to you. 1117 01:09:53,055 --> 01:09:55,857 They're not intimidated or whatever. 1118 01:09:55,858 --> 01:09:58,858 And so they make all their vocal sounds, like natural. 1119 01:10:00,162 --> 01:10:03,162 Slow down. 1120 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,200 Easy, easy, easy. 1121 01:10:08,804 --> 01:10:11,804 Okay. 1122 01:10:13,542 --> 01:10:16,542 No, we're gonna keep you. 1123 01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,780 Run. These two go first. 1124 01:10:24,687 --> 01:10:27,687 Being smart-wise? 1125 01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:33,226 Compared to a chicken, they're probably the same. 1126 01:10:38,968 --> 01:10:41,968 -That one's nice, see? -Yeah, he is. 1127 01:10:44,907 --> 01:10:47,907 Alrighty. 1128 01:10:50,145 --> 01:10:53,145 Okay. 1129 01:10:54,049 --> 01:10:57,049 Right there. 1130 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,268 That's gonna be a little gruesome. 1131 01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:18,373 How could that still be alive? 1132 01:11:18,374 --> 01:11:20,041 They're not. 1133 01:11:20,042 --> 01:11:21,743 That's eh nerves. 1134 01:11:21,744 --> 01:11:24,744 A nerve reaction. 1135 01:11:27,016 --> 01:11:29,784 Five years old or something like that, I think it was 1136 01:11:29,785 --> 01:11:32,785 the first time my dad came out and made us watch 1137 01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:37,123 as we did rabbits. 1138 01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:41,959 We'd raise probably a couple dozen rabbits each year. 1139 01:11:44,099 --> 01:11:48,099 Then we would take those rabbits and skin them 1140 01:11:48,604 --> 01:11:50,772 and clean them up and keep them for food. 1141 01:11:50,773 --> 01:11:53,773 As a young kid, I was kind of… 1142 01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:57,610 I don't want to say it was hard, but it was kind of, from my memory… 1143 01:12:00,282 --> 01:12:03,251 some of the rabbits I had named. 1144 01:12:03,252 --> 01:12:06,252 So I was kind of like going hmm 1145 01:12:08,123 --> 01:12:11,123 After doing it a couple times, you kind of just learned 1146 01:12:11,126 --> 01:12:14,126 it's just something that has to be done. 1147 01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:22,335 Not the fingers. 1148 01:12:30,846 --> 01:12:32,447 l just can't do it. 1149 01:12:32,448 --> 01:12:36,085 I don't think I could have someone else do it for me, if I can't do it. 1150 01:12:36,085 --> 01:12:39,885 If l can't do it, I don't want someone else doing it for me. 1151 01:12:40,756 --> 01:12:42,256 And then sustainability -- 1152 01:12:42,257 --> 01:12:47,257 For sustainability, 32 kg is 900 gr per… 1153 01:12:47,996 --> 01:12:51,996 So it's a 450 gr per week per duck. 1154 01:12:52,101 --> 01:12:55,101 52 weeks, 50 kg. 1155 01:12:55,904 --> 01:12:58,904 So it's 50 kg of food 1156 01:12:59,975 --> 01:13:02,975 for 450-700 grams of meat. 1157 01:13:02,978 --> 01:13:07,978 So on a sustainability issue, it's 100 to 1. 1158 01:13:08,384 --> 01:13:12,380 And that grain gets.. you know who knows where the grain comes from? 1159 01:13:12,488 --> 01:13:16,480 But I mean, when it gets to this point, it's not even about sustainability... 1160 01:13:16,492 --> 01:13:18,459 it was just… 1161 01:13:18,460 --> 01:13:21,129 You know, I don't feel real good inside. 1162 01:13:21,130 --> 01:13:23,231 It's the first time I've ever seen that. 1163 01:13:23,232 --> 01:13:26,232 So kind of.... 1164 01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:30,169 Yeah. 1165 01:13:30,339 --> 01:13:33,909 I'd been so caught up in the destruction caused by animal agriculture 1166 01:13:33,909 --> 01:13:36,945 I realised I'd never truly dwelled on the obvious reality 1167 01:13:36,945 --> 01:13:39,514 that every one of these animals was killed. 1168 01:13:39,515 --> 01:13:42,885 It was always a disconnected, abstract fact of eating meat. 1169 01:13:42,885 --> 01:13:46,890 But when it became personal, face to face, the story changed. 1170 01:13:48,891 --> 01:13:52,294 I had scheduled weeks in advance to film another backyard slaughter 1171 01:13:52,294 --> 01:13:54,529 of a chicken that stopped producing eggs. 1172 01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:58,530 I didn't know how I was gonna possibly go through another slaughter. 1173 01:13:59,201 --> 01:14:02,201 So I didn't. 1174 01:14:19,121 --> 01:14:24,820 Animal Place is a farm animal sanctuary in Northern California that focuses 1175 01:14:24,827 --> 01:14:27,762 on rescuing animals from the animal agriculture industry. 1176 01:14:27,763 --> 01:14:31,760 A lot of people don't realise meat-breed chickens like this guy behind us 1177 01:14:31,834 --> 01:14:34,834 they're generally slaughtered at about 42 days old. 1178 01:14:34,837 --> 01:14:37,837 Whereas chickens that are bred for egg production are killed 1179 01:14:38,807 --> 01:14:41,776 when their productivity starts to decrease 1180 01:14:41,777 --> 01:14:44,777 when they start laying less eggs. 1181 01:14:45,347 --> 01:14:49,947 That generally happens about 18 to 20 months. 1182 01:14:51,453 --> 01:14:54,890 It doesn't matter if you buy caged eggs, eggs from cage-free farms 1183 01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:56,891 or free-range or pasture-based farms. 1184 01:14:56,892 --> 01:14:59,892 Hi, Carol. It doesn't matter. 1185 01:14:59,895 --> 01:15:03,465 Turns out there's a successful movement of sustainable animal-alternative 1186 01:15:03,465 --> 01:15:06,167 food producers based right here in California 1187 01:15:06,168 --> 01:15:09,168 funded by big names like Bill Gates and Biz Stone. 1188 01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:14,575 When egg-laying hens eat all that soy and corn 1189 01:15:14,576 --> 01:15:17,445 you have an energy conversion ratio at about 38 to 1 1190 01:15:17,446 --> 01:15:19,881 whereas alternatively you can find plants, 1191 01:15:19,882 --> 01:15:22,882 you can grow those plants and convert those plants into food. 1192 01:15:22,985 --> 01:15:25,985 The energy conversion ratio for the plants we're using 1193 01:15:27,389 --> 01:15:30,389 to replace the eggs is about 2 to 1, compared to 38 to 1 for eggs. 1194 01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:34,260 So our explicit goal is to have the maximum amount of impact 1195 01:15:35,497 --> 01:15:40,490 by creating this new model that makes the global egg industry entirely obsolete. 1196 01:15:43,005 --> 01:15:44,505 We're making Omega products 1197 01:15:44,506 --> 01:15:47,506 proving we make better tasting food that's great for you 1198 01:15:47,509 --> 01:15:51,980 and it takes one-twentieth of the land and resources that dairy do. 1199 01:15:52,981 --> 01:15:56,118 If you could have the fibre structure, satiating bite, the protein 1200 01:15:56,118 --> 01:16:00,300 and the nutritional benefits of meat without having animal protein itself 1201 01:16:00,422 --> 01:16:03,190 and by doing that you could address climate change, 1202 01:16:03,191 --> 01:16:06,191 human health epidemics that we're seeing, animal welfare 1203 01:16:06,595 --> 01:16:09,595 and natural resource conservation. Would you make the change? 1204 01:16:09,865 --> 01:16:12,234 But what if people just ate less animal products? 1205 01:16:12,234 --> 01:16:15,234 Like going meatless on Mondays. 1206 01:16:16,606 --> 01:16:20,606 When you go meatless on Monday, you essentially contribute 1207 01:16:20,642 --> 01:16:22,443 to climate change, pollution 1208 01:16:22,444 --> 01:16:25,444 depletion of our planet's resources and your own health 1209 01:16:25,447 --> 01:16:28,447 then only six days of the week, instead of seven. 1210 01:16:28,584 --> 01:16:33,280 You're creating a false justification, clearly a false justification 1211 01:16:33,388 --> 01:16:35,890 for what you're doing on those other six days. 1212 01:16:35,891 --> 01:16:38,891 So in other words, we really shouldn't be resting on our laurels 1213 01:16:39,194 --> 01:16:43,794 of what you do right only one-seventh of the time. 1214 01:16:44,601 --> 01:16:48,901 You can't be an environmentalist and eat animal products, period. 1215 01:16:49,271 --> 01:16:52,271 Kid yourself if you want, if you want to feed your addiction, so be it. 1216 01:16:53,909 --> 01:16:56,909 But don't call yourself an environmentalist. 1217 01:16:57,412 --> 01:17:00,612 I knew I had to stop eating all animal products. 1218 01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:04,610 I wanted to help the planet be sustainable, but I needed to sustain myself. 1219 01:17:04,686 --> 01:17:08,123 I had doubts about being healthy and not eating meat, dairy and eggs. 1220 01:17:08,123 --> 01:17:10,692 All I knew was the standard American diet I grew up on. 1221 01:17:10,692 --> 01:17:14,692 Is it even possible to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan? 1222 01:17:18,135 --> 01:17:23,535 (Physician True North Health Center) I became vegan 32 years ago now. 1223 01:17:23,939 --> 01:17:26,674 I run several miles every day. 1224 01:17:26,675 --> 01:17:29,610 I go biking 60 km through the countryside. 1225 01:17:29,611 --> 01:17:31,245 I work long hours. 1226 01:17:31,246 --> 01:17:34,246 I feel great. It's nice waking up in a light, trim body everyday. 1227 01:17:34,716 --> 01:17:37,385 And so many of my vegan friends and patients 1228 01:17:37,386 --> 01:17:40,986 are thriving since their transition to a vegan diet. 1229 01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:45,060 So yes. I've seen vegan moms go through healthy vegan pregnancies 1230 01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:47,061 and deliver healthy vegan children 1231 01:17:47,062 --> 01:17:51,062 and raise them to tall, full-sized, intelligent vegan adults. 1232 01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:55,890 And yes, certainly all the nutrients are there in the plant kingdom to do this, 1233 01:17:56,104 --> 01:17:57,738 that is correct. 1234 01:17:57,739 --> 01:18:00,739 Think anyone should be consuming dairy? 1235 01:18:01,543 --> 01:18:03,778 I really don't. 1236 01:18:03,779 --> 01:18:06,614 When you think about it, the purpose of cows' milk-- 1237 01:18:06,615 --> 01:18:09,615 I grew on a dairy farm in Wisconsin. 1238 01:18:09,785 --> 01:18:13,785 The purpose of cows' milk is to turn a 65-pound calf 1239 01:18:14,289 --> 01:18:19,289 into a 200 kilo cow as rapidly as possible. 1240 01:18:19,728 --> 01:18:23,928 Cows' milk is baby-calf growth fluid. 1241 01:18:24,232 --> 01:18:26,333 It's what the stuff is. 1242 01:18:26,334 --> 01:18:31,334 Everything in that white liquid, the hormones, the lipids, the proteins 1243 01:18:33,608 --> 01:18:37,208 every one of those is meant to blow the calf up to a great big cow 1244 01:18:37,279 --> 01:18:40,081 or it wouldn't be there. 1245 01:18:40,082 --> 01:18:42,750 And whether you pour it on your cereals as a liquid 1246 01:18:42,751 --> 01:18:45,751 whether you clot it into yogurt 1247 01:18:46,455 --> 01:18:49,223 whether you ferment it into cheese 1248 01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:52,224 whether you freeze it into ice cream 1249 01:18:52,661 --> 01:18:55,661 it's baby-calf growth fluid. 1250 01:18:55,731 --> 01:18:58,666 And women eat it and it stimulates their tissues... 1251 01:18:58,667 --> 01:19:01,667 and gives women breast lumps, it makes the uterus get big 1252 01:19:02,137 --> 01:19:05,474 and they get fibroids and they bleed and they get hysterectomies 1253 01:19:05,474 --> 01:19:09,474 and they need mammograms and gives guys man boobs. 1254 01:19:10,045 --> 01:19:11,779 This is… 1255 01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:14,548 Cows' milk is the lactation secretions 1256 01:19:14,549 --> 01:19:17,549 of a large bovine mammal who just had a baby. 1257 01:19:17,619 --> 01:19:20,121 It's for baby calves. 1258 01:19:20,122 --> 01:19:22,256 I tell my patients, "Go look in the mirror. 1259 01:19:22,257 --> 01:19:24,825 Do you have big ears, a tail, are you a baby calf? 1260 01:19:24,826 --> 01:19:27,826 If you're not, don't be eating baby-calf growth fluid." 1261 01:19:28,663 --> 01:19:28,829 In any level, there's nothing in it people need. 1262 01:19:31,633 --> 01:19:34,669 It was a relief to hear l didn't have to eat animal products 1263 01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:36,504 to be healthy and even thrive 1264 01:19:36,505 --> 01:19:40,208 but I still thought you needed animal manure to grow organic agriculture. 1265 01:19:40,208 --> 01:19:42,209 Turns out there's an entire movement 1266 01:19:42,210 --> 01:19:45,079 with people growing food without any animal inputs. 1267 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,080 I visited Earthworks Urban Farm in Detroit. 1268 01:19:48,083 --> 01:19:51,318 They work with and grow food for the low-income community. 1269 01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:55,919 We tend to see ourselves as individuals in a bubble 1270 01:19:56,025 --> 01:20:00,325 but forget that we inhabit this land and this earth with other creatures. 1271 01:20:00,428 --> 01:20:03,428 So we have to learn how to share more, I guess. 1272 01:20:03,865 --> 01:20:06,865 Jah here is working on his garden. 1273 01:20:07,103 --> 01:20:11,303 You'd be surprised what you can do with not a lot of space. 1274 01:20:11,406 --> 01:20:13,340 About 1,2 by 2,5 yeah. 1275 01:20:13,341 --> 01:20:16,711 What's your goal this year? How much do you think you can maximise? 1276 01:20:16,711 --> 01:20:19,711 I would push for 45 at least. At least. - 45 kilos. 1277 01:20:20,549 --> 01:20:22,216 That's amazing. 1278 01:20:22,217 --> 01:20:25,217 One full year after this was constructed 1279 01:20:26,421 --> 01:20:29,421 we doubled our yield to over 6,350 kg of food. 1280 01:20:29,758 --> 01:20:32,758 6,350 kilos? On about how many hectares? 1281 01:20:32,794 --> 01:20:34,628 About one. 1282 01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:37,629 So as much food as we produce and we grow 1283 01:20:37,666 --> 01:20:39,934 or the earth helps us grow... 1284 01:20:39,935 --> 01:20:42,837 We also have to return those nutrients back to the soil. 1285 01:20:42,838 --> 01:20:44,940 We think of our work as being regenerative. 1286 01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:48,805 That we're putting as much life-giving substance in the ground... 1287 01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:51,312 as we're taking out. 1288 01:20:51,313 --> 01:20:54,913 So is it just kind of healthier and safer to use vegetarian 1289 01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:58,650 - or vegetable composting stuff? - That's what we found. 1290 01:20:58,653 --> 01:21:01,953 Also because it takes less time and it's a lot easier to manage. 1291 01:21:01,957 --> 01:21:03,424 - A lot easier, yeah. - Yeah. 1292 01:21:03,425 --> 01:21:07,225 - And the soil's just as rich? - Yeah, absolutely. 1293 01:21:08,363 --> 01:21:11,763 Not only is vegan more compassionate, it's also more efficient. 1294 01:21:11,766 --> 01:21:14,766 And in a society with this many billions of people 1295 01:21:15,170 --> 01:21:17,671 we need to be as efficient as possible. 1296 01:21:17,672 --> 01:21:22,672 Some people might go back and say if we embraced this primitive approach 1297 01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:25,878 of only wild animals everywhere 1298 01:21:26,281 --> 01:21:28,883 and we go back to a hunter-gatherer system, 1299 01:21:28,884 --> 01:21:30,417 that sounds great. 1300 01:21:30,418 --> 01:21:33,418 But that was 10 million people on the entire continent. 1301 01:21:33,722 --> 01:21:36,722 Maybe a little bit more, a little bit less, no one really knows. 1302 01:21:37,259 --> 01:21:39,793 Today, now we have what? 1303 01:21:39,794 --> 01:21:43,494 We have 320 million in the US, 25 million in Canada. 1304 01:21:43,565 --> 01:21:46,565 Another 100 and so-many- million in Mexico. 1305 01:21:46,902 --> 01:21:51,902 So, North America is up to almost 450 million people. 1306 01:21:53,208 --> 01:21:56,208 Trying to figure out a way to bring animal agriculture 1307 01:21:56,411 --> 01:22:00,991 in balance with 450 million hungry people is impossible. 1308 01:22:01,952 --> 01:22:06,982 This is amazing, I didn't believe it when I first learned it 1309 01:22:06,988 --> 01:22:09,957 but 216,000 people are born to the planet every day. 1310 01:22:09,958 --> 01:22:12,226 Every day. 1311 01:22:12,227 --> 01:22:13,961 It's extraordinary. 1312 01:22:13,962 --> 01:22:16,962 But what's really extraordinary is you need, per day 1313 01:22:17,666 --> 01:22:20,034 14,000 new hectares of farmable land. 1314 01:22:20,035 --> 01:22:22,369 It's not happening. 1315 01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:24,705 To feed a person on a vegan diet for a year 1316 01:22:24,706 --> 01:22:27,441 requires just 675 m2 of land. 1317 01:22:27,442 --> 01:22:29,744 To feed that same person on a vegetarian diet 1318 01:22:29,744 --> 01:22:33,281 that includes eggs and dairy requires three times as much land. 1319 01:22:33,281 --> 01:22:35,983 To feed an average US citizen's high-consumption diet 1320 01:22:35,984 --> 01:22:38,984 of meat, dairy and eggs requires 18 times as much land. 1321 01:22:39,688 --> 01:22:43,258 This is because you can produce 17,000 kilos of vegetables 1322 01:22:43,258 --> 01:22:48,258 on 0,6 ha, but only 170 kilos of meat on the same plot of land. 1323 01:22:48,930 --> 01:22:51,565 The comparison doesn't end with land use. 1324 01:22:51,566 --> 01:22:54,803 A vegan diet produces half as much CO2 as an American omnivore, 1325 01:22:54,803 --> 01:22:57,338 uses one-eleventh the amount of fossil fuels 1326 01:22:57,339 --> 01:23:01,009 one-thirteenth the amount of water and an eighteenth of the amount of land. 1327 01:23:01,009 --> 01:23:04,909 After adding this all up, I realised I had the choice every single day 1328 01:23:04,946 --> 01:23:09,646 to save over 4100 litres of water, 20 kilos of grain 1329 01:23:09,718 --> 01:23:14,218 10 m2 of forested land, the equivalent of 9 kilos of CO2 1330 01:23:14,322 --> 01:23:17,322 and one animal's life every single day. 1331 01:23:18,095 --> 01:23:22,963 If we all did go vegan and moved away from animal foods 1332 01:23:22,964 --> 01:23:25,566 and toward a plant-based diet, what would happen? 1333 01:23:25,567 --> 01:23:28,967 If we didn't kill all these cows and eat them 1334 01:23:29,371 --> 01:23:31,805 then we wouldn't have to breed all these cows 1335 01:23:31,806 --> 01:23:34,806 because we're breeding cows and chickens and pigs and fish. 1336 01:23:34,843 --> 01:23:37,644 We're breeding them over and over again, relentlessly. 1337 01:23:37,645 --> 01:23:41,245 If we didn't breed them, we wouldn't have to feed them. 1338 01:23:41,349 --> 01:23:44,349 Then we wouldn't have to devote all this land 1339 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,120 to grow grains and legumes and so forth to feed to them. 1340 01:23:48,123 --> 01:23:51,123 So the forest could come back. 1341 01:23:51,493 --> 01:23:53,327 Wildlife could come back. 1342 01:23:53,328 --> 01:23:56,328 The oceans would come back. The rivers would run clean again. 1343 01:23:56,364 --> 01:23:59,364 The air would come back. Our health would return. 1344 01:24:00,137 --> 01:24:05,637 Renewable energy infrastructure, such as solar and wind generators 1345 01:24:05,940 --> 01:24:08,776 to reduce climate change, that's a pretty good idea 1346 01:24:08,777 --> 01:24:11,145 but it's projected to take at least 20 years 1347 01:24:11,146 --> 01:24:15,146 and at least, minimally, $18 trillion to develop. 1348 01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:18,650 It's important to realise that we don't have that long. 1349 01:24:19,888 --> 01:24:22,891 We just talked about how it might be a three to four year time frame, 1350 01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:27,362 so we don't have 20 years and we don't have $18 trillion to develop these. 1351 01:24:27,362 --> 01:24:32,362 Another solution to climate change: we could stop eating animals. 1352 01:24:32,967 --> 01:24:36,267 It could be done today. It doesn't have to take 20 years 1353 01:24:36,371 --> 01:24:40,371 and it doesn't have to take $18 trillion, because it costs nothing. 1354 01:24:40,644 --> 01:24:44,745 Some say, "Fix CO2, then worry about methane." 1355 01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:49,546 It's the other way. Do something about methane and you get a response right away. 1356 01:24:50,085 --> 01:24:53,985 The most powerful thing that someone can do for the environment, 1357 01:24:54,155 --> 01:24:56,890 no other lifestyle choice has a farther reaching 1358 01:24:56,891 --> 01:25:00,891 and more profoundly positive impact on the planet and all life on Earth 1359 01:25:00,929 --> 01:25:05,929 than choosing to stop consuming animals and live a vegan lifestyle. 1360 01:25:06,035 --> 01:25:09,536 Do you realise 75 percent of Americans 1361 01:25:09,537 --> 01:25:12,937 consider themselves to be an environmentalist? 1362 01:25:14,008 --> 01:25:18,113 You don't think we couldn't solve this problem in a heartbeat? 1363 01:25:18,113 --> 01:25:21,913 I'll tell you what, all we would need 1364 01:25:22,016 --> 01:25:26,016 is for the environmentalists to live what they profess 1365 01:25:26,621 --> 01:25:30,921 and we'd be on a new course in the world. 1366 01:25:32,596 --> 01:25:37,464 We will not succeed until we stop animal agriculture. 1367 01:25:37,465 --> 01:25:39,032 And by "succeed," I mean 1368 01:25:39,033 --> 01:25:42,033 we will not save ecosystems to the extent necessary, 1369 01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:45,740 we will not have enough food for people around the planet 1370 01:25:45,740 --> 01:25:47,975 we will not stop global warming, 1371 01:25:47,976 --> 01:25:50,976 we will not stop pollution in the dead zones that run of 1372 01:25:51,012 --> 01:25:56,012 all the fields of corn and soy that are grown to feed livestock 1373 01:25:56,651 --> 01:26:00,057 and we will not stop the hunting of wolves and other predators. 1374 01:26:00,057 --> 01:26:05,990 Organic farming is one step in the right direction, but we need to keep walking. 1375 01:26:06,027 --> 01:26:09,827 We need to get beyond organics. We need to get to sustainability. 1376 01:26:10,233 --> 01:26:14,833 When you take the animal out, you take the greenhouse gas issue out. 1377 01:26:15,170 --> 01:26:17,171 you take the food safety issues out 1378 01:26:17,172 --> 01:26:20,508 you take some other externalities related to food scarcity out. 1379 01:26:20,508 --> 01:26:24,908 But one thing that's amazing is I think you put our values back in. 1380 01:26:25,580 --> 01:26:29,980 Values like compassion and integrity and kindness 1381 01:26:30,585 --> 01:26:34,985 values that are natural to human beings, you put that in 1382 01:26:35,023 --> 01:26:38,623 you build that back into the story of our food. 1383 01:26:38,693 --> 01:26:44,593 I think as this begins to progress, I think it also helps people to pause. 1384 01:26:44,632 --> 01:26:47,501 Before they eat that egg, before they eat that steak, 1385 01:26:47,502 --> 01:26:49,636 before they eat that chicken nugget 1386 01:26:49,637 --> 01:26:53,637 and ask themselves, is that really what they want? 1387 01:26:53,875 --> 01:26:56,875 Or do they actually want something more? 1388 01:26:57,045 --> 01:26:59,046 I had to come to the full conclusion 1389 01:26:59,047 --> 01:27:02,047 the only way to sustainably and ethically live on this planet 1390 01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:06,250 with 7 billion other people is to live an entirely plant-based vegan diet. 1391 01:27:06,721 --> 01:27:10,121 I decided instead of eating others, to eat for others. 1392 01:27:10,225 --> 01:27:14,220 At first, like these environmental groups, I was afraid of what it'd mean to change. 1393 01:27:14,295 --> 01:27:16,029 But now I embrace it. 1394 01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:20,530 All this talk about sustainability sounded like our planet was on life support. 1395 01:27:20,535 --> 01:27:24,535 I don't want her to simply survive or to sustain, but to thrive. 1396 01:27:24,672 --> 01:27:28,672 Life today is not about sustainability. It's about "thrive-ability." 1397 01:27:28,676 --> 01:27:32,676 She's given so much to us for so long, it was time to give back. 1398 01:27:33,014 --> 01:27:35,649 A hundred-and-eight percent of everything we have. 1399 01:27:35,650 --> 01:27:38,650 It felt good. It was an alignment. 1400 01:27:40,989 --> 01:27:43,989 We see this movement, not just about providing cheaper 1401 01:27:43,992 --> 01:27:47,295 inexpensive food that everyone can have, but also a spiritual move. 1402 01:27:47,295 --> 01:27:49,797 A move towards understanding who we really are 1403 01:27:49,797 --> 01:27:51,798 and how we can connect to each other. 1404 01:27:51,799 --> 01:27:56,159 Do what you can do as well as you can do it, 1405 01:27:56,179 --> 01:27:59,979 every day of your life, 1406 01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:05,172 and you will die one of the happiest individuals that ever died. 1407 01:28:05,179 --> 01:28:08,379 We become part of a gathering momentum of other people. 1408 01:28:08,383 --> 01:28:11,786 It's happening. This is really what's happening. This is the news. 1409 01:28:11,786 --> 01:28:13,887 Selflessness is a nice way to be. 1410 01:28:13,888 --> 01:28:18,000 It has all these benefits for yourself, as well as the planet and other people. 1411 01:28:18,059 --> 01:28:20,661 It's a beautiful way to live. 1412 01:28:20,662 --> 01:28:22,963 Ecologically it just feels better. 1413 01:28:22,964 --> 01:28:25,666 This is about massively transforming 1414 01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:29,667 how our society eats, because it's a necessity. 1415 01:28:30,071 --> 01:28:33,071 It's acting on what we know. 1416 01:28:33,141 --> 01:28:36,841 And acting kindly and gently on the whole planet 1417 01:28:36,911 --> 01:28:41,911 and with other people to accomplish the goals of living better. 1418 01:28:42,317 --> 01:28:46,717 We can do it, but we have to choose to do it. 1419 01:28:48,056 --> 01:28:51,056 You can change the world. 1420 01:28:51,358 --> 01:28:55,056 You must change the world. 1421 01:29:00,058 --> 01:29:05,956 Learn more at WWW.COWSPIRACY.COM 1422 01:29:08,358 --> 01:29:13,056 subtitles by 2003ad 1423 01:30:41,058 --> 01:30:49,956 For notes, links to studies related to statistics used in the film, please visit: 1423 01:30:50,305 --> 01:30:56,214 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 126311

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