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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,333 --> 00:00:03,400 Support from viewers like you makes this program possible. 2 00:00:03,433 --> 00:00:05,734 Please give to your PBS station. 3 00:00:07,066 --> 00:00:08,867 [Michael] I'm a writer. 4 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:11,200 I don't have a scientific background. 5 00:00:12,433 --> 00:00:16,100 And I thought, "Am I qualified to take people on this journey 6 00:00:16,133 --> 00:00:18,000 and offer any kind of advice?" 7 00:00:20,266 --> 00:00:22,667 But as I delved into it, 8 00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:26,066 I began to realize it was actually a strength. 9 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:27,800 I brought a very open mind, 10 00:00:27,834 --> 00:00:30,200 and I think I could see it freshly. 11 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:35,834 I had spent a lot of time writing articles and books 12 00:00:35,867 --> 00:00:37,333 tracing the food chain 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,266 and showing people where their food came from, 14 00:00:41,300 --> 00:00:43,500 how it was produced... 15 00:00:43,533 --> 00:00:46,266 following meals all the way back to the farm. 16 00:00:47,934 --> 00:00:51,633 But I found that what I kept hearing from readers was, 17 00:00:51,667 --> 00:00:53,667 "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've told me where the food comes from 18 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:55,233 and how the animals live and everything." 19 00:00:55,266 --> 00:00:58,066 But what I really want to know is what should I eat? 20 00:01:00,066 --> 00:01:02,667 And it's no wonder people are confused. 21 00:01:04,166 --> 00:01:06,300 Every day, there's a new headline... 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,600 eat more fiber, 23 00:01:10,066 --> 00:01:11,400 drink less milk, 24 00:01:12,433 --> 00:01:13,633 eggs are bad, 25 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:15,567 eggs are good. 26 00:01:17,467 --> 00:01:20,300 As eaters we feel whipsawed by the changes 27 00:01:20,333 --> 00:01:22,433 in the nutritional advice we're getting. 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,300 And I became absorbed in this question, 29 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:27,600 "Yeah, what do we know?" 30 00:01:30,266 --> 00:01:35,300 What do we know about the links between diet and health? 31 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:37,667 That was something I hadn't really focused on very much. 32 00:01:39,567 --> 00:01:43,567 So, I decided to see if I could come up with 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,467 some guidance for myself, 34 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:47,133 for my readers, for my family... 35 00:01:47,166 --> 00:01:50,633 on how to eat if you're concerned about your health. 36 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,934 I really thought the answer to this question 37 00:01:54,967 --> 00:01:58,100 would be so much more complex than it has turned out to be. 38 00:01:58,133 --> 00:02:00,533 [applause] 39 00:02:00,567 --> 00:02:02,266 Thank you. 40 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:03,567 [Michael] I'm Michael Pollan. 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,900 Join me as I make the case "in defense of food." 42 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:21,300 [indistinct chatter] 43 00:02:21,333 --> 00:02:24,233 [slow instrumental music playing] 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,400 [Michael] Food... 45 00:02:31,133 --> 00:02:32,467 Why does it need defending? 46 00:02:35,767 --> 00:02:37,400 It's everywhere around us. 47 00:02:40,834 --> 00:02:42,200 And who doesn't love it? 48 00:02:44,834 --> 00:02:46,934 [woman] Oh my goodness, I love pizza. 49 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:54,800 [kid] My favorite dinner is chicken pot pie. 50 00:02:56,567 --> 00:02:59,066 [man 1] A nice piece of char-grilled steak. 51 00:03:02,567 --> 00:03:05,734 [man 2] I love arugula... can't get enough of it. 52 00:03:08,667 --> 00:03:10,867 [old man] And, of course, I like ice cream, too. [laughs] 53 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:17,066 [woman] I think food is one of life's greatest pleasures. 54 00:03:18,367 --> 00:03:21,300 I don't have one favorite food. I just like food. 55 00:03:24,533 --> 00:03:26,333 [Michael] But the food we're eating today 56 00:03:26,367 --> 00:03:29,333 is very different from what it used to be. 57 00:03:29,367 --> 00:03:33,500 And that change has been taking a heavy toll on our health. 58 00:03:33,533 --> 00:03:36,166 [amusing instrumental music playing] 59 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:39,467 [cow mooing] 60 00:03:41,066 --> 00:03:43,600 The Scavotto family lives outside Boston. 61 00:03:43,633 --> 00:03:46,367 -Would you call this shredded carrots? -Yes. 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,567 [Michael] Anthony is 11. 63 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,467 Yes, I would. 64 00:03:49,967 --> 00:03:53,700 [Anthony] Last year, when I went to the doctor's, 65 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:56,867 he said that I gained 30 pounds in a year. 66 00:03:58,533 --> 00:03:59,767 I didn't like that at all. 67 00:04:01,066 --> 00:04:03,367 See if that says "whole wheat" on it. 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,300 [Anthony] Most of my friends, they can run 69 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:09,600 and they can not get tired. 70 00:04:09,633 --> 00:04:13,066 They can, like, be athletic and I can't do that. 71 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:15,233 I couldn't do that. 72 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:20,166 [Anthony's mother] When I found out he gained 30 pounds 73 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,900 under my watch, 74 00:04:22,734 --> 00:04:26,467 that's crazy to me. 75 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:30,934 I definitely felt I failed in the food department. 76 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:35,934 [Anthony] My mother and my father 77 00:04:35,967 --> 00:04:39,667 were buying foods that said they were healthy, 78 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:40,934 but they weren't. 79 00:04:42,066 --> 00:04:44,266 [Nancy] You know, granola bars... 80 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,934 they're not so healthy if you look at the sugar. 81 00:04:47,667 --> 00:04:48,967 Yogurt... 82 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:51,200 We were doing all that. 83 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:55,700 All right, then it's not healthy. 84 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:59,400 [Anthony] I was mad at myself. 85 00:04:59,433 --> 00:05:04,433 I was trying to eat healthy, but apparently it didn't work. 86 00:05:05,667 --> 00:05:06,667 I didn't like it. 87 00:05:07,433 --> 00:05:09,934 I wanted to change my body. 88 00:05:11,233 --> 00:05:14,834 [indistinct chatter] 89 00:05:14,867 --> 00:05:17,367 [Michael] Anthony's doctor referred him to a program 90 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,266 for overweight kids at Boston Children's Hospital. 91 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:23,500 It's a busy place. 92 00:05:23,533 --> 00:05:25,066 [woman] Anthony. 93 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:26,533 [Michael] Over the last 30 years, 94 00:05:26,567 --> 00:05:28,900 the rate of childhood obesity in America 95 00:05:28,934 --> 00:05:31,367 has more than doubled. 96 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,400 More and more young people are now getting a disease 97 00:05:34,433 --> 00:05:36,734 that used to be very rare in children-- 98 00:05:36,767 --> 00:05:38,400 type-2 diabetes. 99 00:05:38,934 --> 00:05:40,533 [Doctor] Okay. 100 00:05:40,567 --> 00:05:44,367 [Michael] Being overweight increases your chances of getting the disease. 101 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,066 Hold your hand out like that. 102 00:05:46,066 --> 00:05:48,166 [Michael] So Anthony may be at risk. 103 00:05:49,133 --> 00:05:50,700 [Doctor] Obesity can affect 104 00:05:50,734 --> 00:05:53,567 virtually every organ system of a child's body. 105 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,266 And in some cases, uh, resulting in type-2 diabetes... 106 00:05:57,300 --> 00:05:59,867 the ultimate metabolic meltdown. 107 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:01,400 Swallow. 108 00:06:01,433 --> 00:06:03,934 It's one thing for an overweight adult 109 00:06:03,967 --> 00:06:06,867 to develop type-2 diabetes at age 50 110 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:09,333 and then have a heart attack at age 60. 111 00:06:09,367 --> 00:06:11,233 Take a deep breath. 112 00:06:11,266 --> 00:06:12,734 It's a very different thing 113 00:06:12,767 --> 00:06:15,166 if the clock starts ticking at age ten. 114 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,433 [breathing deeply] 115 00:06:18,467 --> 00:06:21,633 [Michael] Since 1975, the percentage of Americans 116 00:06:21,667 --> 00:06:25,300 who have type-2 diabetes has more than tripled 117 00:06:25,333 --> 00:06:27,567 and is expected to keep on growing. 118 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:32,500 Four of the top ten things that will kill you 119 00:06:32,533 --> 00:06:35,233 are chronic diseases linked to diet. 120 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,767 So something's wrong. 121 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:42,867 The diet most of us eat these days 122 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:45,367 has become known as the Western diet. 123 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,767 It includes lots of meat, 124 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:49,967 white flour, 125 00:06:50,066 --> 00:06:52,600 vegetable oils and sugar, 126 00:06:52,633 --> 00:06:56,166 and very little fruit, vegetables, and whole grains. 127 00:06:57,300 --> 00:06:58,500 It's cheap. 128 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:00,700 It's convenient. 129 00:07:01,533 --> 00:07:03,066 [sizzling] 130 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:06,667 And most of it has been processed to taste really good. 131 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:11,800 [man] The food industry has gotten incredibly good at manipulating 132 00:07:11,834 --> 00:07:13,333 the properties of food 133 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:16,066 so it has just the right texture, 134 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:19,300 just the right color, just the right smell 135 00:07:19,333 --> 00:07:22,233 to make you consume as much of it as possible, 136 00:07:22,266 --> 00:07:24,200 miss it when you don't have it, 137 00:07:24,233 --> 00:07:25,600 crave it to the point where 138 00:07:25,633 --> 00:07:27,667 you want to keep coming back for more. 139 00:07:29,467 --> 00:07:31,266 [Michael] And the key to getting us hooked 140 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:33,533 is our inborn craving for salt, 141 00:07:34,467 --> 00:07:35,900 sugar, 142 00:07:35,934 --> 00:07:37,500 and fat. 143 00:07:37,533 --> 00:07:39,166 [Kelly] We're biologically designed 144 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,667 to like foods that are very high in calories, 145 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:44,066 very high in sugar, fat, and salt 146 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:45,533 because that was adaptive during 147 00:07:45,567 --> 00:07:47,133 almost all of human history 148 00:07:47,166 --> 00:07:50,333 when food was scarce and there were things like famines. 149 00:07:50,367 --> 00:07:53,900 But now food is abundant and our biology is mismatched 150 00:07:53,934 --> 00:07:56,233 with what's occurring out there in the environment. 151 00:07:57,967 --> 00:07:59,100 [man] Take Buffalo wings. 152 00:07:59,567 --> 00:08:01,100 What are they? 153 00:08:01,133 --> 00:08:03,266 You start off with the fatty part of the chicken. 154 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:06,867 Usually fried in the manufacturing plant first. 155 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:10,633 That pushes a lot of fat into that chicken wing. 156 00:08:10,667 --> 00:08:12,767 Fried usually again in the restaurant. 157 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,900 That pushes more fat into that wing. 158 00:08:15,934 --> 00:08:18,867 That red sauce, what is it? Sugar and salt. 159 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:20,800 That white creamy sauce on the side? 160 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:22,400 Fat, sugar, and salt. 161 00:08:22,433 --> 00:08:24,200 What are we eating? We're eating fat on fat, 162 00:08:24,233 --> 00:08:27,066 on fat on sugar, on fat, sugar, and salt. 163 00:08:29,166 --> 00:08:30,800 [Michael] From fast food meals 164 00:08:30,834 --> 00:08:33,900 to all the packaged products in the supermarket, 165 00:08:33,934 --> 00:08:37,166 we're eating more processed foods than ever before. 166 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,667 They now make up some 60 percent of our diet. 167 00:08:43,066 --> 00:08:45,800 [man] The food industry makes its greatest profits 168 00:08:45,834 --> 00:08:48,300 through the most extensively processed foods. 169 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,066 [Michael] The key ingredients for those foods... 170 00:08:52,066 --> 00:08:54,867 corn, soybeans, wheat, and rice... 171 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,066 don't cost the food companies much 172 00:08:57,066 --> 00:09:01,467 because government subsidies keep supplies high and prices low. 173 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:04,667 The food companies turn those crops 174 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:07,900 into things like hydrolyzed soy protein, 175 00:09:07,934 --> 00:09:10,300 mono and diglycerides, 176 00:09:10,333 --> 00:09:13,133 and high fructose corn syrup, 177 00:09:13,166 --> 00:09:16,333 ingredients that end up in so many processed foods. 178 00:09:17,967 --> 00:09:20,100 [man] The American farm system 179 00:09:20,133 --> 00:09:23,367 has turned into a calorie conveyor belt 180 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,934 that produces massive amounts of commodities 181 00:09:26,967 --> 00:09:28,867 to make sugary beverages, 182 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:31,400 fast food, junk food... 183 00:09:31,433 --> 00:09:33,800 very, very cheap. 184 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:36,100 [Michael] You've added all this packaging, 185 00:09:36,133 --> 00:09:38,066 and this marketing, and these characters, 186 00:09:38,066 --> 00:09:40,834 you know, that appeal to kids, and you're selling it 187 00:09:40,867 --> 00:09:43,600 for an order of magnitude more money. 188 00:09:43,633 --> 00:09:47,066 [Kelly] And, of course, this is a good business model for the companies 189 00:09:47,066 --> 00:09:49,367 'cause they want to maximize their sales. 190 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,900 But it's not very good for human health. 191 00:09:51,934 --> 00:09:53,667 [Michael] People who eat a lot of processed foods 192 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:55,834 struggle more with health problems. 193 00:09:55,867 --> 00:09:57,433 And so we've been really curious 194 00:09:57,467 --> 00:10:01,033 to understand what happened to the food. 195 00:10:01,066 --> 00:10:05,200 So we look at what's present and absent from processed foods 196 00:10:05,233 --> 00:10:08,133 to understand where they went wrong, 197 00:10:08,166 --> 00:10:09,567 why they make people sick. 198 00:10:13,633 --> 00:10:16,700 Take bread, one of my own favorite foods. 199 00:10:17,934 --> 00:10:20,166 It's made from a few basic ingredients... 200 00:10:21,133 --> 00:10:23,700 flour, water, yeast and salt, 201 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:26,967 which you mix together, let rise, 202 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,033 and then eventually bake. 203 00:10:31,667 --> 00:10:35,000 We've been eating it for thousands of years. 204 00:10:35,033 --> 00:10:38,433 But the bread our ancestors ate was very different 205 00:10:38,467 --> 00:10:41,200 from what you find in most supermarkets today. 206 00:10:42,467 --> 00:10:46,133 Flour used to be made by grinding grains like wheat 207 00:10:46,166 --> 00:10:47,700 between two big stones. 208 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,467 This kind of flour called whole wheat, 209 00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:55,400 contains all of the wheat seed including the bran and the germ. 210 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,200 But whole wheat bread was usually dense and hard to chew. 211 00:11:01,433 --> 00:11:02,800 Removing the bran and germ 212 00:11:02,834 --> 00:11:06,100 made the flour white and the bread softer. 213 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:10,066 But white flour was a luxury few people could afford 214 00:11:10,066 --> 00:11:12,433 until the late 19th century, 215 00:11:12,467 --> 00:11:14,433 when a new technology came along. 216 00:11:15,834 --> 00:11:18,767 [man] Roller milling was this great idea. 217 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,166 You could shake the bran and the germ of that grain off. 218 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,400 And it would fall down into the bottom 219 00:11:25,433 --> 00:11:26,667 underneath the roller. 220 00:11:26,700 --> 00:11:29,600 You could feed that stuff to the cattle. 221 00:11:29,633 --> 00:11:33,734 Whoops, it turns out that that stuff is the good stuff. 222 00:11:33,767 --> 00:11:36,367 [Michael] The bran and the germ are rich in many nutrients, 223 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,066 including vitamins. 224 00:11:38,066 --> 00:11:41,400 The part that's left is mostly carbohydrates, 225 00:11:41,433 --> 00:11:43,367 which break down when we eat them 226 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,567 into the sugar molecule, glucose... 227 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,433 one of the body's main sources of energy. 228 00:11:48,467 --> 00:11:49,767 And we love that. 229 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,667 We love that sensation of sugar coming into our body. 230 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:54,533 Our brains crave sugar. 231 00:11:54,567 --> 00:11:55,867 They live on glucose. 232 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:58,700 That's the brain's high-octane fuel. 233 00:11:58,734 --> 00:12:01,066 And white flour is very stable. 234 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:04,266 It will last on the shelf indefinitely. 235 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:07,433 Unlike whole wheat flour, it doesn't turn rancid 236 00:12:07,467 --> 00:12:11,066 because the germ, which can easily spoil, has been removed. 237 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,900 And when you moved to white flour, 238 00:12:13,934 --> 00:12:16,066 it was a great boon for the food industry 239 00:12:16,066 --> 00:12:20,533 because, you know, one giant mill could feed millions of people 240 00:12:20,567 --> 00:12:23,233 and send out flour that would last forever. 241 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,433 The one little problem is, as you made the flour last, 242 00:12:29,467 --> 00:12:32,467 you basically ruined it as a food source 243 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:36,133 because you were taking out all the nutrients, or most of them. 244 00:12:36,166 --> 00:12:38,934 You still had some starch and you still had some protein, 245 00:12:38,967 --> 00:12:40,767 but you lost the vitamins. 246 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:45,934 The shift to white flour, and to processed corn and rice, 247 00:12:45,967 --> 00:12:47,867 took a toll on people's health. 248 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:53,734 They were getting diseases, like Beriberi and Pellagra, 249 00:12:53,767 --> 00:12:56,600 which are often fatal. 250 00:12:56,633 --> 00:13:00,066 But the link between those diseases and people's diets 251 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:02,700 remained unclear until the 20th century, 252 00:13:02,734 --> 00:13:06,066 when we discovered they were caused by a lack of vitamins. 253 00:13:07,266 --> 00:13:10,066 [woman] You had these deficiency diseases. 254 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:12,266 Nobody knew where they came from. 255 00:13:13,066 --> 00:13:14,633 And then you fed these people 256 00:13:14,667 --> 00:13:17,467 a food that had the right vitamin in it, 257 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:19,233 and they'd become healthy. 258 00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:21,533 This was a true miracle. 259 00:13:23,266 --> 00:13:26,500 Scientists, nutritionists, chemists 260 00:13:26,533 --> 00:13:30,800 were delving into the miracle of vitamins. 261 00:13:30,834 --> 00:13:35,967 And this information was delivered to an excited public, 262 00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:39,834 through newspapers, through magazines. 263 00:13:39,867 --> 00:13:43,967 [Michael] Before long, everyone was talking about vitamins. 264 00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:47,800 And food companies jumped on the opportunity. 265 00:13:47,834 --> 00:13:49,700 [woman] For food marketers, it was kind of like 266 00:13:49,734 --> 00:13:52,333 being given this beautiful gift of this word 267 00:13:52,367 --> 00:13:53,967 that the public's obsessed with 268 00:13:54,066 --> 00:13:55,467 that no one really understood, 269 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:57,266 you know, the chemical details of. 270 00:13:58,266 --> 00:13:59,500 My favorite example was 271 00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:02,900 Schlitz beer came up with Schlitz Vitamin-D beer, 272 00:14:02,934 --> 00:14:04,734 with the tag line that "beer is good for you, 273 00:14:04,767 --> 00:14:07,600 but Schlitz Vitamin-D beer is extra good for you." 274 00:14:09,433 --> 00:14:13,133 [Rima] Manufacturers were quick to pick up on the fact that 275 00:14:13,166 --> 00:14:16,066 vitamins were a very good selling point 276 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:19,133 and if they weren't naturally in the food, 277 00:14:19,166 --> 00:14:20,900 then why don't you add it? 278 00:14:20,934 --> 00:14:23,266 [over television] You want to grow bigger and stronger, don't you? 279 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:25,734 -Golly, sure! -Okay! 280 00:14:25,767 --> 00:14:28,867 A sandwich daily and two slices of Wonder Bread every meal 281 00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:30,900 give you eight elements you need... 282 00:14:30,934 --> 00:14:33,633 as much muscle building protein as roast beef, 283 00:14:33,667 --> 00:14:36,967 as much calcium for bones and teeth as cottage cheese, 284 00:14:37,066 --> 00:14:38,800 as much vitamin B1... 285 00:14:38,834 --> 00:14:40,467 [Michael] The story of Wonder Bread, in a way, 286 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:44,133 is the story of the food system writ small. 287 00:14:44,166 --> 00:14:48,100 Why do you need to add all these special vitamins to bread? 288 00:14:49,266 --> 00:14:51,100 Well, because you've taken them out of flour. 289 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:54,967 And had we left good enough alone, 290 00:14:55,066 --> 00:14:58,467 and we'd continued to either eat whole grains 291 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:01,066 or even partially whole grains, 292 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:03,166 you wouldn't have created this problem. 293 00:15:05,633 --> 00:15:08,433 So Wonder Bread was an amazing technology 294 00:15:08,467 --> 00:15:11,367 solving a problem that technology created. 295 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,166 I mean, you're essentially selling 296 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,834 the problem and the solution in one neat package. 297 00:15:24,133 --> 00:15:26,066 Some of our dietary problems 298 00:15:26,066 --> 00:15:28,533 began long before the rise of modern technology. 299 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:32,834 When we invented agriculture, which gave us bread, 300 00:15:32,867 --> 00:15:35,066 we set in motion other changes 301 00:15:35,066 --> 00:15:38,233 that are still affecting our health today. 302 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,867 We used to eat a lot of green plants. 303 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:46,367 They're one of nature's best sources of a class of fatty acids 304 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,633 called omega-3s that are vital to our health. 305 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,200 But once we started farming seed crops 306 00:15:54,233 --> 00:15:57,600 like wheat, rice, and corn, 307 00:15:57,633 --> 00:15:59,600 they began to dominate our diet. 308 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,200 The bulk of what agriculture does is grow seeds. 309 00:16:07,066 --> 00:16:08,433 Seeds are full of energy. 310 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:11,066 They have lots of carbohydrate in them and protein. 311 00:16:11,066 --> 00:16:12,200 I mean, they're wonderful things. 312 00:16:12,233 --> 00:16:14,567 They have everything a new life needs. 313 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,600 But green, leafy plants are usually much better than seeds 314 00:16:18,633 --> 00:16:21,066 as sources of omega-3s. 315 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:26,500 Omega-3 fats are essential for optimal brain growth, 316 00:16:26,533 --> 00:16:30,066 for optimal heart health, and for optimal immune function. 317 00:16:31,233 --> 00:16:35,700 And omega-3 fats can't be made by the human body. 318 00:16:35,734 --> 00:16:37,300 They have to be eaten. 319 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,166 [laughter] 320 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,667 [Michael] Traditional diets gave us many ways to get omega-3s. 321 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:46,967 In addition to Green plants, 322 00:16:47,066 --> 00:16:49,433 omega-3s are also plentiful in fish, 323 00:16:49,467 --> 00:16:51,600 which eat lots of plants in the ocean. 324 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:57,900 Meat used to be a good source of omega-3s 325 00:16:57,934 --> 00:17:01,066 because farmers fed livestock their natural diet... 326 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,633 green, leafy grass. 327 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:07,200 But now, most of the animals we raise for food 328 00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:09,300 are mainly eating corn and soy. 329 00:17:09,967 --> 00:17:12,400 So they get fewer omega-3s 330 00:17:12,433 --> 00:17:15,066 and their meat and milk have less of them, too. 331 00:17:16,734 --> 00:17:19,066 But many of the foods we eat 332 00:17:19,066 --> 00:17:22,233 are quite rich in a rival group of fatty acids 333 00:17:22,266 --> 00:17:23,567 called omega-6s. 334 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,567 There are lots of them in oils pressed from seeds, 335 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,967 like soy and corn oil. 336 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:33,133 Omega-6s are the darlings of the food industry 337 00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:38,300 because they have a much longer shelf life than omega-3s do. 338 00:17:38,333 --> 00:17:42,867 [Michael] Though we need both omega-6s and omega-3s to survive, 339 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:45,533 there's evidence that eating too many sixes 340 00:17:45,567 --> 00:17:47,433 blocks out the threes. 341 00:17:47,467 --> 00:17:50,200 [Susan] It's like a game of musical chairs. 342 00:17:50,233 --> 00:17:53,300 There are only so many seats. 343 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:56,734 And if they're occupied by the omega-6s 344 00:17:56,767 --> 00:17:59,767 you're gonna have many fewer omega-3s. 345 00:18:01,066 --> 00:18:02,934 [Michael] And some scientists believe 346 00:18:02,967 --> 00:18:06,300 the loss of omega-3s is hurting our health. 347 00:18:07,266 --> 00:18:09,467 A deficiency in omega-3 fatty acids 348 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:12,400 increases risk of heart disease death. 349 00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:16,633 It will impair the development of kid's brains 350 00:18:16,667 --> 00:18:19,066 so that they don't have optimal IQ. 351 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,533 They will have greater risk of major depression. 352 00:18:26,367 --> 00:18:27,967 [Michael] So we've gone from a diet 353 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:31,400 that gave us all the omega-3s we needed 354 00:18:31,433 --> 00:18:33,667 to one where they're much harder to get. 355 00:18:36,166 --> 00:18:39,934 ♪ I'd like to buy The world a home ♪ 356 00:18:39,967 --> 00:18:41,900 ♪ And furnish it with love ♪ 357 00:18:41,934 --> 00:18:44,500 [Michael] But perhaps the biggest threat to our health 358 00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:46,700 comes not from losing a nutrient, 359 00:18:46,734 --> 00:18:48,433 but from flooding our bodies 360 00:18:48,467 --> 00:18:50,734 with one we seem powerless to resist. 361 00:18:50,767 --> 00:18:53,900 ♪ I'd like to teach The world to sing ♪ 362 00:18:53,934 --> 00:18:56,900 ♪ Sing with me Perfect harmony ♪ 363 00:18:56,934 --> 00:18:58,934 ♪ Perfect harmony ♪ 364 00:18:58,967 --> 00:19:01,600 ♪ I'd like to buy The world a Coke ♪ 365 00:19:01,633 --> 00:19:04,867 ♪ And keep it company ♪ 366 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:09,967 [Micheal] We now consume about 1,000% more sugar per day 367 00:19:10,667 --> 00:19:14,333 than we did 200 years ago. 368 00:19:14,367 --> 00:19:17,266 [Michael] Sugar's appearing in foods that were never sweetened before. 369 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:19,266 There's sugars now in bread. 370 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:21,066 There's sugars in ketchup 371 00:19:21,066 --> 00:19:23,233 and condiments of all different kinds. 372 00:19:28,734 --> 00:19:30,734 We have figured out a way in this country 373 00:19:30,767 --> 00:19:34,266 to make sugar, sweeteners very, very cheap. 374 00:19:35,667 --> 00:19:38,200 When soda costs less than milk, 375 00:19:39,266 --> 00:19:41,600 or even bottled water, 376 00:19:41,633 --> 00:19:44,734 and is marketed as a normal thing to have with a meal 377 00:19:44,767 --> 00:19:47,100 or give to toddlers and young children, 378 00:19:47,133 --> 00:19:49,200 we have a problem. 379 00:19:49,233 --> 00:19:53,500 [man] When we look at factors that are related to obesity and diabetes, 380 00:19:53,533 --> 00:19:55,934 the single most important factor we have seen 381 00:19:55,967 --> 00:19:58,467 is sugar-sweetened beverages. 382 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:00,900 [man] Increasingly, you're seeing sugary drinks 383 00:20:00,934 --> 00:20:03,734 that have labels on them that'll say that they have vitamin C 384 00:20:03,767 --> 00:20:05,400 or they're good in antioxidants 385 00:20:05,433 --> 00:20:08,633 or otherwise somehow imply that they're healthy for you. 386 00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:10,266 They're still basically sugary drinks. 387 00:20:15,567 --> 00:20:18,600 There's more sugar in a 20-ounce bottle of lemonade 388 00:20:18,633 --> 00:20:20,066 than there is in a Coca-Cola. 389 00:20:21,767 --> 00:20:23,867 We know that sugar has a lot of calories. 390 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:27,800 But sugar causes other metabolic changes, as well. 391 00:20:27,834 --> 00:20:31,066 [Michael] Roughly half of the sugar in sweetened drinks and foods 392 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:34,367 is a kind of sugar called fructose. 393 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,767 [man] Fructose is the sweet molecule in sugar. 394 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,867 We love it. 395 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:41,066 It's the reason we go after sugar. 396 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,433 [Michael] But there's evidence that too much fructose 397 00:20:43,467 --> 00:20:45,433 can damage the liver. 398 00:20:45,467 --> 00:20:47,266 [man] And when your liver gets sick, 399 00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:49,400 type-2 diabetes, hypertension, 400 00:20:49,433 --> 00:20:53,800 heart disease, liver disease, all start accumulating. 401 00:20:55,667 --> 00:20:59,800 [Michael] Eating foods like potatoes, white rice, 402 00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:02,300 or anything made from white flour, 403 00:21:02,333 --> 00:21:04,233 also floods our bodies with sugar. 404 00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:08,500 Because, even though they may not have added sugar, 405 00:21:08,533 --> 00:21:10,233 they're made up of carbohydrates 406 00:21:10,266 --> 00:21:12,867 that break down into glucose when we digest them. 407 00:21:14,066 --> 00:21:16,100 And flooding our bodies with glucose 408 00:21:16,133 --> 00:21:18,433 triggers the release into our bloodstream 409 00:21:18,467 --> 00:21:22,066 of a very important hormone called insulin. 410 00:21:22,066 --> 00:21:25,166 [man] Insulin is necessary for life. 411 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,600 So what does insulin do? Well, it lowers blood sugar. 412 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,433 Your blood sugar rises because you've eaten. 413 00:21:31,467 --> 00:21:33,533 When you're healthy, 414 00:21:33,567 --> 00:21:35,900 your pancreas senses the blood sugar rise. 415 00:21:35,934 --> 00:21:37,600 The insulin goes up, 416 00:21:37,633 --> 00:21:40,800 and the various cells of the body will take up the glucose 417 00:21:40,834 --> 00:21:45,667 so that the glucose will come back down in the blood to normal. 418 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:48,934 [Michael] But there is evidence that eventually too much sugar 419 00:21:48,967 --> 00:21:51,633 can push insulin to the breaking point 420 00:21:51,667 --> 00:21:55,166 and lead to type-2 diabetes. 421 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,300 It's a disease that's hitting low-income communities the hardest. 422 00:21:59,333 --> 00:22:03,200 [Girl] Yesterday, I decided to write down some ingredients in my day-to-day diet. 423 00:22:03,233 --> 00:22:06,500 First, there was a million things I could not pronounce 424 00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:09,533 and then there was sugar, flour, sugar... 425 00:22:09,567 --> 00:22:13,066 [Michael] This video was made by the Bigger Picture campaign, 426 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:14,800 which brings together young poets 427 00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:17,834 and health care workers in the San Francisco Bay area 428 00:22:17,867 --> 00:22:20,700 to highlight the problem of diabetes. 429 00:22:20,734 --> 00:22:22,567 It's like let me hit that cookie one time. 430 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,700 It's like knowing most of your family has diabetes 431 00:22:25,734 --> 00:22:28,567 but your still smacking on your Sour Patches 432 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,166 as you're walking your aunt into her dialysis appointment. 433 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,400 It's like aunty Marlo being blind at 32. 434 00:22:34,433 --> 00:22:38,467 It's like grandma Suzie dying from a heart attack at 51. 435 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,066 [man] The people who are suffering the most 436 00:22:40,066 --> 00:22:43,633 in the obesity epidemic today are the poor and the minorities. 437 00:22:43,667 --> 00:22:47,400 Twice the rate of diabetes in African Americans, Latinos as whites. 438 00:22:47,433 --> 00:22:49,166 That's not because of their genes. 439 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,100 That's because of the marketing in those low-income neighborhoods 440 00:22:52,133 --> 00:22:54,734 of food that's bad for people. 441 00:22:54,767 --> 00:22:58,700 [man] We dealing with a crisis that's at an emergency level. 442 00:22:58,734 --> 00:23:00,266 Their lives are at stake. 443 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:02,734 I think all of our lives are at stake. 444 00:23:02,767 --> 00:23:05,734 [Erica] It's like damn. 445 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,066 It's like suicide. 446 00:23:11,066 --> 00:23:13,066 It's very painful for me 447 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:15,700 to watch my family literally pass away. 448 00:23:15,734 --> 00:23:18,900 We will go to funerals that were caused because of food, 449 00:23:18,934 --> 00:23:22,066 and then turn around and eat the same food 450 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,433 that put the person in the grave in the first place. 451 00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:26,800 So what if I told you that a hundred years ago, 452 00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:28,600 one in a hundred people 453 00:23:28,633 --> 00:23:30,967 contracted a disease called type-2 diabetes. 454 00:23:31,066 --> 00:23:33,166 Only one in a hundred people. 455 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,500 What if I told you that 50 years from now, 456 00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:37,066 one in three people... 457 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:39,633 one in three people are gonna have type-2 diabetes. 458 00:23:39,667 --> 00:23:41,066 How would that make you all feel? 459 00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:46,467 Type-2 diabetes, obesity, heart disease, heartbreak... 460 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:50,066 you know, a lot of misery has been created by this modern diet. 461 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,433 [amusing instrumental music playing] 462 00:24:02,934 --> 00:24:05,433 It seemed clear that the Western diet 463 00:24:05,467 --> 00:24:07,300 is making lots of people sick. 464 00:24:08,834 --> 00:24:10,967 So I started looking at the kind of diet 465 00:24:11,066 --> 00:24:12,934 that we evolved to eat... 466 00:24:14,066 --> 00:24:16,200 Food that comes not from factories, 467 00:24:16,233 --> 00:24:17,667 but from nature. 468 00:24:18,834 --> 00:24:21,967 My search took me back to the beginning of life. 469 00:24:23,333 --> 00:24:27,433 [man] It turns out that one thing did literally evolve 470 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:30,266 to nourish healthy individuals... 471 00:24:30,834 --> 00:24:32,066 lactation and milk. 472 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,533 Everything that the infant requires has to be in milk. 473 00:24:39,166 --> 00:24:43,266 So milk is literally a comprehensive diet in one product... 474 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:44,834 All the essential nutrients, 475 00:24:44,867 --> 00:24:47,867 every vitamin, every mineral, every amino acid, 476 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:51,200 every fatty acid that the infant needs has to be in milk. 477 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,300 [Michael] At the University of California at Davis, 478 00:24:55,333 --> 00:24:58,200 Bruce German and his colleague Daniela Barile 479 00:24:58,233 --> 00:25:02,600 are trying to understand how mother's milk keeps babies healthy 480 00:25:02,633 --> 00:25:05,367 and what the rest of us can learn from that. 481 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:11,467 [Daniela] Milk is really the perfect food because it's always changing. 482 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:15,834 If you have milk from day one and milk from day ten, 483 00:25:15,867 --> 00:25:19,233 the vitamin content, the lipid content, the protein, 484 00:25:19,266 --> 00:25:25,066 the carbohydrate is evolving to match the needs of the baby. 485 00:25:25,066 --> 00:25:27,533 [Michael] But not all mothers can breastfeed. 486 00:25:27,567 --> 00:25:29,100 [woman] If there's any kind of challenge 487 00:25:29,133 --> 00:25:30,500 that you'd like to share with us, 488 00:25:30,533 --> 00:25:33,734 that gives us an opportunity to discuss it mother to mother. 489 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,166 [woman] I've had struggles 490 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,600 with breastfeeding from the very beginning. 491 00:25:37,633 --> 00:25:39,867 I had low supply, 492 00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:42,500 so I've been supplementing with formula. 493 00:25:42,533 --> 00:25:46,233 [man] Mothers have been unable to feed their babies throughout history. 494 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:50,066 If you couldn't breastfeed a baby, 495 00:25:50,066 --> 00:25:52,200 that baby was really in trouble. 496 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,400 [woman] In the 19th century, 497 00:25:55,433 --> 00:25:59,100 infant mortality rates were extremely high. 498 00:26:00,767 --> 00:26:03,800 People were very fearful for the lives of their children, 499 00:26:03,834 --> 00:26:05,233 particularly infants. 500 00:26:06,367 --> 00:26:08,066 [Michael] Then, in the 1860s, 501 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,767 parents were offered a potentially life-saving alternative 502 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,967 when a German scientist named Justus Von Liebig 503 00:26:15,066 --> 00:26:18,667 introduced the first commercial baby formula. 504 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:20,800 He believed his product contained 505 00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:23,400 all the essential nutrients in breast milk. 506 00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:28,500 Liebig's food opened up an entire market. 507 00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:31,533 It quickly was followed by many copiers. 508 00:26:33,166 --> 00:26:35,934 [Michael] But our attempts to make a substitute for breast milk 509 00:26:35,967 --> 00:26:38,133 have taught us just how hard it is 510 00:26:38,166 --> 00:26:41,367 for science to mimic nature. 511 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,834 Those early formulas were missing valuable nutrients. 512 00:26:44,867 --> 00:26:46,867 Vitamins hadn't been discovered yet. 513 00:26:48,367 --> 00:26:50,266 And the importance of omega-3s 514 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:52,800 wasn't understood until the 1970s. 515 00:26:54,133 --> 00:26:57,100 We learned that as close as we get, 516 00:26:57,133 --> 00:26:59,867 the ultimate goal is constantly retreating 517 00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,900 because mother's milk is a very complex food. 518 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,166 In 2006, Bruce German and his colleagues 519 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,633 discovered one of its secrets 520 00:27:08,667 --> 00:27:11,700 when they solved a longstanding mystery. 521 00:27:11,734 --> 00:27:15,900 One of the things that was absolutely astonishing 522 00:27:15,934 --> 00:27:20,066 is that human milk contains indigestible material. 523 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:23,233 The babies literally can't digest it. 524 00:27:23,266 --> 00:27:24,400 It goes right through them. 525 00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:31,266 [Bruce] When we looked at how much there was, 526 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,300 it was staggering. 527 00:27:33,333 --> 00:27:36,333 It was the third-most abundant component in milk. 528 00:27:37,934 --> 00:27:42,934 [Michael] It was a kind of complex sugar called an oligosaccharide. 529 00:27:42,967 --> 00:27:46,734 Mothers literally are feeding indigestible matter to the baby. 530 00:27:47,767 --> 00:27:48,900 Why? 531 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:52,066 [Michael] German had a hunch. 532 00:27:52,066 --> 00:27:55,600 The first thought was, "Well, babies can't digest them. 533 00:27:55,633 --> 00:27:57,900 Maybe bacteria can." 534 00:27:57,934 --> 00:28:00,266 Because we know bacteria inhabit 535 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,400 the intestine of all of us, including babies. 536 00:28:04,567 --> 00:28:07,400 Bruce came over to my lab and we tested 537 00:28:07,433 --> 00:28:11,066 to see if the oligosaccharides that he found in milk 538 00:28:11,066 --> 00:28:13,367 could grow any bacteria 539 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,567 that I happened to have in my lab. 540 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,533 [Bruce] And he tested them and he came back and he said, 541 00:28:19,133 --> 00:28:22,066 "No, they don't." 542 00:28:22,066 --> 00:28:25,467 And he was looking at bacterium after bacterium after bacterium. 543 00:28:26,233 --> 00:28:27,567 Nothing... no growth at all. 544 00:28:28,967 --> 00:28:30,767 But then he found one. 545 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,900 And at that point, we began to realize the genius of milk. 546 00:28:36,934 --> 00:28:40,400 [Michael] What Mills found was a little-understood bacterium 547 00:28:40,433 --> 00:28:43,500 called bifidobacterium infantis. 548 00:28:44,767 --> 00:28:47,867 [Bruce] And when you look at breastfed babies, 549 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:53,367 their lower intestine is full of just that bacterium. 550 00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:59,233 The great question is why would this bacteria be valuable? 551 00:28:59,266 --> 00:29:02,200 What could the bacteria do for the baby? 552 00:29:02,233 --> 00:29:07,066 It occupies all of the surfaces of the baby's large intestine 553 00:29:07,066 --> 00:29:10,467 and prevents germs that could cause disease 554 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:11,667 from attacking the baby. 555 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,667 So it starts to grow and multiply 556 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:18,500 and grows and multiplies until the baby is literally full 557 00:29:18,533 --> 00:29:20,734 of just this one group of bacteria. 558 00:29:21,567 --> 00:29:24,200 And no other bacteria can compete. 559 00:29:24,233 --> 00:29:26,066 That's an ingenious process. 560 00:29:27,967 --> 00:29:29,700 [Michael] The story of mother's milk 561 00:29:29,734 --> 00:29:32,233 shows how well nature provides for us. 562 00:29:34,667 --> 00:29:38,066 And that's something that remains true throughout our lives. 563 00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:40,767 No matter where we live, 564 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,700 nature offers us an astonishing variety of healthy foods. 565 00:29:46,433 --> 00:29:48,433 We are omnivores. 566 00:29:48,467 --> 00:29:52,233 We live on six of the seven continents. 567 00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:56,133 We have managed to construct from what nature has to offer 568 00:29:56,166 --> 00:29:57,834 in all those different places... 569 00:29:59,567 --> 00:30:00,867 deserts... 570 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,100 jungles... 571 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:05,567 grasslands... 572 00:30:06,667 --> 00:30:09,600 forests... a healthy diet. 573 00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:11,867 [horn tooting] 574 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,500 In the Andes mountains in Peru, 575 00:30:14,533 --> 00:30:18,133 the Quechua people eat mostly potatoes and grains 576 00:30:18,166 --> 00:30:19,867 with a small amount of meat. 577 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:25,166 In East Africa, the Masai thrive on a diet 578 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,266 consisting mostly of cattle blood, milk, and meat. 579 00:30:30,367 --> 00:30:33,967 In the Arctic, the Inuit people's traditional diet 580 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,433 includes tremendous amounts of fat 581 00:30:36,467 --> 00:30:38,400 from whales, seals, and fish. 582 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,867 And here in Tanzania, members of the Hadza tribe 583 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,000 eat hundreds of different wild plants and animals. 584 00:30:49,133 --> 00:30:51,533 Although one in five Hadza babies 585 00:30:51,567 --> 00:30:54,533 still die before their first birthday, 586 00:30:54,567 --> 00:30:58,667 those who survive childhood tend to live long and healthy lives. 587 00:31:01,233 --> 00:31:04,667 [woman] We don't see these so-called Western diseases 588 00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:07,066 among the Hadza. 589 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,066 Things like cancer, things like obesity, 590 00:31:10,066 --> 00:31:14,600 type-2 diabetes, heart disease... very low rates. 591 00:31:14,633 --> 00:31:17,867 For the most part, they are a very healthy population. 592 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:23,467 [Michael] So what can we learn from the way they eat? 593 00:31:25,734 --> 00:31:28,433 The Hadza are some of the last people on Earth 594 00:31:28,467 --> 00:31:31,433 who still get their food the way our ancestors did... 595 00:31:32,133 --> 00:31:33,533 by hunting and gathering. 596 00:31:35,767 --> 00:31:38,433 [woman] For the bulk of our history, 597 00:31:38,467 --> 00:31:40,967 we were living like the Hadza. 598 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,900 We were foragers. 599 00:31:44,066 --> 00:31:47,867 What we are doing now in the industrialized West 600 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,700 is what's different or odd. 601 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:56,967 [Michael] They're doing what people used to do everywhere on the planet, 602 00:31:58,233 --> 00:32:02,867 which is figure out a way to use what nature has to offer. 603 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:08,200 [speaking in African language] 604 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,934 [Michael] The women dig for roots called tubers. 605 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,467 They're very hard to chew. 606 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:42,066 But when other foods are scarce, they're almost always available. 607 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,333 They also collect a fruit 608 00:32:46,367 --> 00:32:49,066 that falls to the ground from tall trees. 609 00:32:49,066 --> 00:32:50,834 It's called Baobab. 610 00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:56,166 The inside is kind of chalky and dry. 611 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,633 To make it easier to eat, the Hadza pound it into a powder 612 00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:03,834 and sometimes add water to make a sort of smoothie. 613 00:33:05,266 --> 00:33:08,567 This is a kind of food processing, but very minimal. 614 00:33:10,834 --> 00:33:15,367 [speaking in African language] 615 00:33:19,066 --> 00:33:21,867 [Michael] While the women and children gather plant foods, 616 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:25,533 the men go out hunting for meat and searching for honey. 617 00:33:27,233 --> 00:33:29,900 [woman] Honey is the number-one ranked Hadza food. 618 00:33:31,433 --> 00:33:34,500 Foragers will go to incredible lengths 619 00:33:34,533 --> 00:33:37,300 in order to access honey. 620 00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:39,367 [speaking in African language] 621 00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:59,200 [Michael] Imagine if we had to climb a tree 622 00:33:59,233 --> 00:34:01,433 every time we wanted a sugar fix from a Coke. 623 00:34:02,767 --> 00:34:04,600 We'd probably think twice. 624 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,600 [speaking in African language] 625 00:34:25,767 --> 00:34:28,934 [Michael] The Hadza get their meat straight from nature, too. 626 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,834 [intense instrumental music playing] 627 00:34:56,467 --> 00:34:58,266 [shouting] 628 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,633 [Michael] On days when the Hadza kill a big animal, 629 00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:31,367 they eat lots of protein and fat. 630 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,433 On other days they might have mostly sugar or starch, 631 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,567 it's not what we might think of as a balanced diet, 632 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,433 but it works very well for them. 633 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,500 The Hadza eat what their parents ate 634 00:35:45,533 --> 00:35:47,400 and their grandparents ate 635 00:35:47,433 --> 00:35:50,100 and they don't stress about it. 636 00:35:50,133 --> 00:35:54,066 [singing in African language] 637 00:35:59,233 --> 00:36:03,934 [Michael] Here is a people that don't know what a nutrient is, 638 00:36:03,967 --> 00:36:06,467 and have very good dietary health at the same time. 639 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,567 I think that has something to teach us. 640 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,300 [amusing instrumental music playing] 641 00:36:26,633 --> 00:36:28,333 What you're gonna do is you're gonna go down the center. 642 00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:29,767 [Michael] So, whenever I give a talk, 643 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,734 I explain the choice we're facing. 644 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,333 We are at a fork in the road when it comes to food. 645 00:36:36,367 --> 00:36:38,066 We have two options: 646 00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:41,233 one, surrender to the Western diet, 647 00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:44,900 stay on processed food, and junk food, and fast food, 648 00:36:44,934 --> 00:36:47,834 and wait for evolution to adapt us to it. 649 00:36:47,867 --> 00:36:49,367 [laughter] 650 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,333 It will happen eventually. 651 00:36:51,367 --> 00:36:52,734 It should happen eventually, 652 00:36:52,767 --> 00:36:55,667 but there will be so much suffering. 653 00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:59,633 There will be so much expense before that happens 654 00:36:59,667 --> 00:37:02,467 that I would argue it's really not sustainable. 655 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:04,066 Well, there's another option. 656 00:37:04,066 --> 00:37:08,066 We can take the more practical, the more economical, 657 00:37:08,066 --> 00:37:10,066 and the more beautiful path, 658 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:13,200 which is simply to change the way we're eating. 659 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,400 And everything I've learned about healthy eating 660 00:37:19,433 --> 00:37:22,100 can be summed up in just seven words. 661 00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:28,066 Eat food, not too much, mostly plants. 662 00:37:29,367 --> 00:37:32,467 And those seven words tell you all you need to know 663 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,700 about how to eat in a healthy way. 664 00:37:35,834 --> 00:37:37,433 When I say, "eat food," 665 00:37:37,467 --> 00:37:39,834 I'm basically saying eat the kinds of things 666 00:37:39,867 --> 00:37:41,767 that people have been eating for a long time... 667 00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:43,500 meat... 668 00:37:44,133 --> 00:37:45,567 fish... 669 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,767 vegetables... 670 00:37:47,433 --> 00:37:48,900 and fruits... 671 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,133 Grains. 672 00:37:51,166 --> 00:37:54,533 Eat food, which is to say, "Eat real food." 673 00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,667 And that other stuff, we shouldn't even dignify 674 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:01,967 with that beautiful word, "food." 675 00:38:02,066 --> 00:38:03,900 And so I call it something else. 676 00:38:03,934 --> 00:38:07,333 I call it "edible food-like substances." 677 00:38:07,367 --> 00:38:09,166 And that's all that processed stuff 678 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,567 in the middle of the supermarket. 679 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,266 The Western diet is in the center aisles. 680 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,367 Go to the produce section. 681 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,433 The healthiest food in the store is in the produce section, 682 00:38:20,467 --> 00:38:22,133 and there are no health claims. 683 00:38:23,266 --> 00:38:24,900 You go to the middle of the store 684 00:38:24,934 --> 00:38:29,734 where the food is just screaming about its whole grain goodness, 685 00:38:29,767 --> 00:38:33,667 and there's cereals that are gonna, like, save you from heart attacks. 686 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,967 They don't talk that way over in the apples and the broccoli. 687 00:38:36,066 --> 00:38:37,066 Why is that? 688 00:38:37,934 --> 00:38:39,834 Well, they don't have packages, 689 00:38:39,867 --> 00:38:41,133 they don't have big budgets. 690 00:38:42,266 --> 00:38:43,934 The quieter the food, 691 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:46,834 likely the healthier the food. 692 00:38:49,066 --> 00:38:52,900 [woman] You don't have to be a scientist to know how to eat. 693 00:38:52,934 --> 00:38:55,367 To me, that's one of the interesting things about nutrition... 694 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,533 is everybody can eat a healthy diet, 695 00:38:57,567 --> 00:38:59,633 and they can put together their own healthy diet 696 00:38:59,667 --> 00:39:04,066 without knowing thing one about the biology of nutrients. 697 00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,500 Just go around the outside of the supermarket 698 00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:09,800 and pick up fruits, vegetables, meat, 699 00:39:09,834 --> 00:39:12,200 and stay out of the processed foods 700 00:39:12,233 --> 00:39:15,133 because they're fun to eat once in a while, 701 00:39:15,166 --> 00:39:16,900 but they shouldn't be daily fare. 702 00:39:16,934 --> 00:39:19,200 [indistinct chatter] 703 00:39:19,233 --> 00:39:23,367 [Michael] Saying that we should eat food may sound obvious. 704 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,467 But these days, much of the food industry 705 00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:28,066 is built on a different idea... 706 00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:31,433 that what really matters is eating the right nutrients. 707 00:39:31,467 --> 00:39:33,800 Manufacturers bombard us with claims 708 00:39:33,834 --> 00:39:37,533 about the good nutrients they've put into their products 709 00:39:37,567 --> 00:39:40,200 and the bad ones they've taken out. 710 00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:45,066 This way of thinking has a name... nutritionism. 711 00:39:45,066 --> 00:39:48,500 And the more I learned about it, the more convinced I became 712 00:39:48,533 --> 00:39:51,900 that it's the reason something as simple as eating 713 00:39:51,934 --> 00:39:54,066 has become so complicated. 714 00:39:54,767 --> 00:39:56,166 Nutrition is one thing. 715 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,333 Nutrition science is a science, but nutritionism is an ideology. 716 00:40:01,367 --> 00:40:04,133 It's the ideology of believing 717 00:40:04,166 --> 00:40:07,300 that the nutrient is the key to understanding food. 718 00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:09,000 The big premise of nutritionism 719 00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:11,500 is that the most important thing about any food 720 00:40:11,533 --> 00:40:13,900 are the nutrients it contains, right? 721 00:40:13,934 --> 00:40:16,300 A food is the sum of its nutrient parts, 722 00:40:16,333 --> 00:40:18,667 which is basically how science studies food. 723 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:21,700 So, take an apple, or take carrots. 724 00:40:21,734 --> 00:40:23,734 And what's important about carrots 725 00:40:23,767 --> 00:40:25,567 is a certain amount of beta-Carotene 726 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,367 and a certain amount of vitamins 727 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,767 and a certain amount of fiber and a certain amount of sugar. 728 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,400 That's what a carrot is. 729 00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:34,266 So that seems kind of, "Okay, no big deal. 730 00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,767 That's... nutrients are the basis of food." 731 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,233 But if you accept that idea that the important thing about a food 732 00:40:42,266 --> 00:40:44,300 are the nutrients it contains, 733 00:40:44,333 --> 00:40:46,734 you suddenly find yourself dragged along 734 00:40:46,767 --> 00:40:48,800 to tenet number two of nutritionism. 735 00:40:48,834 --> 00:40:53,600 And that is the idea that since nutrients are invisible, 736 00:40:53,633 --> 00:40:57,400 then it falls to experts to tell us how to eat. 737 00:40:57,433 --> 00:41:00,100 It's sort of like a religion, 'cause, now, 738 00:41:00,133 --> 00:41:03,400 if what matters about a food is something you can't see, 739 00:41:04,667 --> 00:41:06,066 then you need a priesthood 740 00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:10,200 to mediate your relationship to that mystery. 741 00:41:10,233 --> 00:41:14,367 And so we have a priesthood that consists of doctors, 742 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,300 who we consult about food, and various experts 743 00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:19,667 and writers of books on nutrition 744 00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:22,533 and nutrition scientists of all kinds. 745 00:41:22,567 --> 00:41:24,834 And, and we defer to them. 746 00:41:24,867 --> 00:41:28,834 Like most ideologies, nutritionism divides the world 747 00:41:28,867 --> 00:41:32,600 into good and evil so that, in the nutrition area, 748 00:41:32,633 --> 00:41:36,066 there is always a group of blessed nutrients 749 00:41:37,066 --> 00:41:38,967 and a group of evil nutrients. 750 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,400 So let's get a few examples. 751 00:41:41,433 --> 00:41:43,767 Give me some examples of a blessed nutrient. 752 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,967 [woman] Kale! 753 00:41:45,066 --> 00:41:47,533 Kale is not a nutrient. It's a food. 754 00:41:47,567 --> 00:41:49,066 But thank you. 755 00:41:49,066 --> 00:41:51,533 -[woman 1] Vitamin C! -Vitamin C. 756 00:41:51,567 --> 00:41:53,066 -[woman 2] Fiber! -Fiber. 757 00:41:53,066 --> 00:41:55,333 -[woman 3] Antioxidants! -Antioxidants. 758 00:41:55,367 --> 00:41:57,400 -[woman 4] Omega-3s! -Omega-3s, yes. 759 00:41:57,433 --> 00:41:59,066 So those are the blessed nutrients. 760 00:41:59,066 --> 00:42:00,233 And, on the other side, 761 00:42:00,266 --> 00:42:02,834 there is always the evil nutrients 762 00:42:02,867 --> 00:42:05,200 we are trying to drive from the food supply... 763 00:42:05,233 --> 00:42:08,300 Saturated fat, high-fructose corn syrup, 764 00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:11,200 sugar, in general. Evil nutrients. 765 00:42:11,233 --> 00:42:13,633 But it's important to know that the identity 766 00:42:13,667 --> 00:42:17,266 of the good and evil nutrients is constantly changing. 767 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:19,800 [amusing instrumental music playing] 768 00:42:19,834 --> 00:42:21,700 You go back to the turn of the last century, 769 00:42:21,734 --> 00:42:25,100 around 1900, there was an ideology then 770 00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,800 that the great evil nutrient, was protein. 771 00:42:28,633 --> 00:42:30,066 Now we think protein's great, 772 00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:34,900 but then some people thought protein was really bad. 773 00:42:34,934 --> 00:42:39,367 The best-known critic of protein was Doctor John Harvey Kellogg... 774 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,667 a member of a Christian denomination called 775 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:47,633 the Seventh-day Adventists that promoted vegetarianism. 776 00:42:47,667 --> 00:42:51,066 People flocked to his sanitarium in Battle Creek, Michigan, 777 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:55,266 to be cured of the gastrointestinal curse of the day. 778 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:58,500 [woman] America's diet in the 1800s and early 1900s, 779 00:42:58,533 --> 00:43:00,133 it was a lot of meat and potatoes. 780 00:43:00,166 --> 00:43:02,066 And constipation was, like, an obsession. 781 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:04,800 Everyone was obsessed with constipation. 782 00:43:04,834 --> 00:43:08,834 [Michael] Which Kellogg claimed was caused by bacteria in our colon 783 00:43:08,867 --> 00:43:12,667 that thrive on the protein in a meat-heavy diet. 784 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,133 They thought that it released toxins in your gut 785 00:43:15,166 --> 00:43:16,734 as it fermented and, 786 00:43:16,767 --> 00:43:20,166 and that would lead to cancer and all sorts of things. 787 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,233 Celebrities including Henry Ford, Amelia Earhart, 788 00:43:25,266 --> 00:43:27,667 and future president Warren Harding 789 00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:30,900 eagerly submitted to Kellogg's vegetarian diet 790 00:43:30,934 --> 00:43:33,066 and anti-bacterial treatments. 791 00:43:34,266 --> 00:43:37,667 And people did the most insane things 792 00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,400 under the direction of this pseudo-science. 793 00:43:40,433 --> 00:43:43,433 I mean, go on all-grape diets for a day 794 00:43:43,467 --> 00:43:45,934 and eat 14 pounds of grapes and nothing else, 795 00:43:47,066 --> 00:43:48,300 take yogurt enemas. 796 00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:53,066 And you were supposed to chew every bite a hundred times. 797 00:43:54,266 --> 00:43:56,100 That can interfere with the pleasure of a meal. 798 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,166 Kellogg asked his brother Will 799 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,200 to perform experiments to design healthier foods. 800 00:44:07,233 --> 00:44:10,166 They really wanted to dethrone protein, 801 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,133 which was the morning meal... eggs and bacon and sausage. 802 00:44:14,166 --> 00:44:16,500 And they thought that carbohydrates 803 00:44:16,533 --> 00:44:18,567 were the clean, blessed nutrient. 804 00:44:19,367 --> 00:44:21,400 One day in 1894, 805 00:44:21,433 --> 00:44:23,066 the brothers stumbled on a discovery 806 00:44:23,066 --> 00:44:26,633 they hoped would transform the American breakfast... 807 00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:30,734 the flaked cereal, made mostly of carbohydrates. 808 00:44:31,767 --> 00:44:33,834 First came wheat flakes. 809 00:44:33,867 --> 00:44:36,533 And then Will invented the corn flake... 810 00:44:36,567 --> 00:44:39,834 so wildly successful it would make him wealthy. 811 00:44:42,734 --> 00:44:46,200 But John Kellogg's theories about the perils of protein, 812 00:44:46,233 --> 00:44:49,066 not to mention his ideas about yogurt enemas, 813 00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:51,700 were eventually disproven by science. 814 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,700 You know, we look back on that and we think this is complete quackery. 815 00:44:56,734 --> 00:44:58,633 Well, I hate to say it, 816 00:44:58,667 --> 00:45:01,133 but someone will look back on us in a hundred years, 817 00:45:01,166 --> 00:45:05,567 and say much the same thing for a lot of our own nutritional practices. 818 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,533 We look at gluten the way they looked at protein. 819 00:45:08,567 --> 00:45:11,066 You know, we have millions of Americans now 820 00:45:11,066 --> 00:45:13,433 working to remove gluten from their diet. 821 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,266 We're looking for answers. 822 00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:19,066 We're looking for dietary salvation. 823 00:45:19,066 --> 00:45:21,200 And when someone comes forward with a theory, 824 00:45:21,233 --> 00:45:22,800 we fall into line. 825 00:45:24,066 --> 00:45:26,567 [man] Because so many women are concerned about 826 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,066 too much saturated fat, a great change in eating habits 827 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:32,233 is taking place in homes all over America. 828 00:45:32,266 --> 00:45:35,867 ♪ Oh, I don't want it You can have it It's too fat for me ♪ 829 00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:38,066 ♪ It's too fat for me ♪ 830 00:45:38,066 --> 00:45:41,066 [Michael] The campaign to reduce fat in our diets 831 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:44,100 is the best example yet of what can go wrong 832 00:45:44,133 --> 00:45:46,867 when the science of nutrition gets hijacked 833 00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:49,900 by the ideology of nutritionism. 834 00:45:49,934 --> 00:45:52,367 [woman] Reducing fat in your overall diet 835 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,133 can help make you healthier. 836 00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:57,266 [Michael] We spent 30 years in this country obsessing about fat. 837 00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:58,767 [woman] Health specialists recommend that 838 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,233 children more than two years old 839 00:46:00,266 --> 00:46:02,700 begin eating a diet that is lower in fat. 840 00:46:02,734 --> 00:46:04,367 Eat foods that are low in fat. 841 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,166 -[woman 1] Low fat, low fat. -[woman 2] Low fat. 842 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,333 -[man 1] Fat. -[man 1] Fat. 843 00:46:07,367 --> 00:46:09,066 [man] Fat. 844 00:46:11,967 --> 00:46:17,467 [Michael] Fat got a reputation as an evil nutrient back in the 1950s 845 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:20,166 when scientists began searching for the cause 846 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,900 of what seemed to be a big increase in heart disease. 847 00:46:24,233 --> 00:46:27,200 Finding the reason why became an obsession 848 00:46:27,233 --> 00:46:31,567 for a Minnesota physiologist named Ancel Keys. 849 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,967 He and his wife Margaret, a biochemist, 850 00:46:34,066 --> 00:46:37,100 traveled the world studying heart disease. 851 00:46:37,133 --> 00:46:40,734 Ancel Keys' hypothesis at the beginning of his research 852 00:46:40,767 --> 00:46:44,100 was that something in people's diets 853 00:46:44,133 --> 00:46:48,100 was responsible for the generation of heart disease. 854 00:46:49,233 --> 00:46:53,300 His studies in Naples made him think that 855 00:46:53,333 --> 00:46:55,400 that something was fat. 856 00:47:00,967 --> 00:47:04,700 [Micheal] Ancel and Margaret first visited Naples in 1952. 857 00:47:06,066 --> 00:47:09,100 They had heard that working-class Neapolitans 858 00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:12,200 had less heart disease than their more comfortable neighbors. 859 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,066 So they decided to compare their diets. 860 00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:20,600 [woman] Those who were more affluent loved their steaks. 861 00:47:20,633 --> 00:47:22,333 They loved their veal. 862 00:47:22,367 --> 00:47:25,433 They loved their rich, creamy sauces. 863 00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:28,533 Now amongst the working classes, 864 00:47:28,567 --> 00:47:30,467 they were eating lots of pasta, 865 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,066 lots of vegetables, lots of fresh fruits. 866 00:47:34,066 --> 00:47:36,667 But they were missing the fat 867 00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:40,100 that was so common on the dinner plates 868 00:47:40,133 --> 00:47:43,767 of the upper crust of Neapolitan society. 869 00:47:45,867 --> 00:47:48,367 The connection that Ancel Keys saw 870 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,367 between fat and cardiovascular disease was cholesterol. 871 00:47:54,967 --> 00:47:56,867 [Michael] This sticky substance 872 00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:59,734 is something our bodies make and need. 873 00:48:00,867 --> 00:48:02,567 But scientists were finding that 874 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600 too much of it in the bloodstream clogged arteries. 875 00:48:07,667 --> 00:48:10,734 [woman] Scientists could see cholesterol 876 00:48:10,767 --> 00:48:14,400 on the interior linings of arteries, 877 00:48:14,433 --> 00:48:17,233 especially the arteries of those people 878 00:48:17,266 --> 00:48:18,934 who suffered heart attacks. 879 00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:22,266 [Michael] Keys and others found that 880 00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:24,166 your blood-cholesterol level went up 881 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,200 the more you ate a particular kind of fat. 882 00:48:27,233 --> 00:48:30,967 Saturated fat, like palmitic acid, stearic acid... 883 00:48:31,066 --> 00:48:33,800 they are saturated with hydrogens. 884 00:48:33,834 --> 00:48:37,300 [Michael] Saturated fats are usually solid at room temperature. 885 00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:43,066 We get them most often from meat, milk, butter, and cheese. 886 00:48:44,166 --> 00:48:46,333 [woman] As he looked around the globe, 887 00:48:46,367 --> 00:48:50,934 Keys found that the more animal fat, 888 00:48:50,967 --> 00:48:54,066 red meat, and dairy products, 889 00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:58,266 the more heart disease within the population. 890 00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,834 [Michael] Keys was practicing a statistical kind of science 891 00:49:00,867 --> 00:49:03,800 called epidemiology. 892 00:49:03,834 --> 00:49:07,066 He was looking through data about large numbers of people, 893 00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:08,867 trying to find patterns. 894 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,100 [woman] Epidemiology is very powerful in its way 895 00:49:13,133 --> 00:49:17,400 because it identifies trends and potential relationships. 896 00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:21,133 But you always have to be skeptical 897 00:49:21,166 --> 00:49:23,333 of any of those kinds of associations, 898 00:49:23,367 --> 00:49:27,834 unless you've got other kinds of data that show causality. 899 00:49:27,867 --> 00:49:31,967 And it should be written on every single epidemiological study... 900 00:49:32,066 --> 00:49:37,834 "Red flag, association does not necessarily mean causation." 901 00:49:37,867 --> 00:49:41,800 [Michael] But based on the strong association Keys saw in his data 902 00:49:41,834 --> 00:49:44,166 between heart disease and saturated fat, 903 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,700 he advised people to eat less of it. 904 00:49:46,734 --> 00:49:49,633 [rock music playing] 905 00:49:52,433 --> 00:49:54,233 By the 1970s, 906 00:49:54,266 --> 00:49:57,066 Keys' theory was being discussed in the Senate. 907 00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,400 There were some one million people 908 00:49:59,433 --> 00:50:03,533 who died in 1967 from heart disease... 909 00:50:03,567 --> 00:50:06,867 [Michael] In 1976, George McGovern was chairman 910 00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,400 of the Senate's Select Committee on Nutrition. 911 00:50:09,433 --> 00:50:11,567 We're eating much more animal fat. 912 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,166 [man] They hear over and over again that animal fat is the problem. 913 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,400 And they issue a set of guidelines 914 00:50:18,433 --> 00:50:21,567 called the dietary goals of the United States. 915 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,700 The goals urged Americans to reduce fat 916 00:50:24,734 --> 00:50:27,667 to 30% of the calories in their diets. 917 00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:28,900 How? 918 00:50:28,934 --> 00:50:31,567 By eating less meat and less dairy. 919 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,000 "Decrease consumption of meat," they said. 920 00:50:35,033 --> 00:50:39,400 And never has a nutrition report been more controversial. 921 00:50:39,433 --> 00:50:41,800 The meat industry would have none of that. 922 00:50:41,834 --> 00:50:44,033 They went right to their friends in Congress. 923 00:50:44,066 --> 00:50:46,166 Congress held hearings. 924 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,967 [Cathrine] And McGovern had to rewrite those guidelines. 925 00:50:52,166 --> 00:50:55,433 [Michael] So, "Eat less red meat," is rewritten as, 926 00:50:55,467 --> 00:51:01,133 "Choose meats that will reduce your saturated fat intake." 927 00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:04,266 And in the move from that first sentence 928 00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:07,433 to that second sentence, that translation process, 929 00:51:07,467 --> 00:51:10,867 to my mind, is the beginning of full-blown nutritionism. 930 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:12,533 Because think about it. 931 00:51:12,567 --> 00:51:14,734 First of all, we're no longer talking about a food 932 00:51:14,767 --> 00:51:17,900 that everybody recognizes... meat, red meat. 933 00:51:17,934 --> 00:51:21,100 We're talking about a nutrient that no one has ever seen, 934 00:51:21,133 --> 00:51:24,133 really understands, and is an abstraction... 935 00:51:24,166 --> 00:51:25,433 saturated fat. 936 00:51:28,266 --> 00:51:31,667 For the food industry, the mandate to reduce fat 937 00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:34,367 was an opportunity to sell new products... 938 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,567 low in fat, perhaps, but often high in sugar. 939 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,200 The food industry could all of a sudden 940 00:51:41,233 --> 00:51:45,200 use low-fat or no-fat as a marketing strategy. 941 00:51:45,233 --> 00:51:48,066 Don't you want something that's healthy for you? 942 00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,533 Why not buy a highly processed, 943 00:51:50,567 --> 00:51:54,800 sugar-laden cookie that is fat-free? 944 00:51:56,066 --> 00:51:58,367 People thought, "God, there's no fat in this. 945 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,767 I'm not just gonna have one of those cookies, I'm gonna have a whole box." 946 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,266 I think they're zesty. I could eat a million. 947 00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:06,133 I think I will. 948 00:52:06,166 --> 00:52:09,300 The message to eat less fat was translated into, 949 00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:11,767 "It's okay to eat more sugar." 950 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,767 [Michael] So the food industry re-engineers the food, 951 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,700 and if you look at it, fat as a proportion 952 00:52:17,734 --> 00:52:20,233 of calories in the diet goes down, 953 00:52:20,266 --> 00:52:21,700 which sounds really good. 954 00:52:21,734 --> 00:52:23,266 But, in fact, what happened is 955 00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:26,867 fat stayed level and we ate a lot more carbohydrate. 956 00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:28,800 And that meant more calories. 957 00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:32,233 So we were kidding ourselves, 958 00:52:32,266 --> 00:52:35,066 and the industry was helping to let us kid ourselves. 959 00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,934 ♪Ba-ba-do-ah ♪ 960 00:52:36,967 --> 00:52:39,266 ♪ It looks like and cooks like The high-priced ♪ 961 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,166 [Michael] Prodded by health experts, 962 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,066 the industry also encouraged us 963 00:52:43,066 --> 00:52:45,500 to switch from butter to margarine. 964 00:52:45,533 --> 00:52:47,834 [woman] America's favorite margarine. 965 00:52:47,867 --> 00:52:49,066 [man] Blue Bonnet. 966 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:53,533 ♪ Everything's better With Blue Bonnet on it ♪ 967 00:52:53,567 --> 00:52:55,934 [Michael] Margarine is made from vegetable oils. 968 00:52:55,967 --> 00:52:58,934 They contain polyunsaturated fats, 969 00:52:58,967 --> 00:53:01,367 which were touted as blessed nutrients 970 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,367 because some of them can lower cholesterol. 971 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,667 But to make vegetable oil hard enough to spread, 972 00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,867 you have to hydrogenate it. 973 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,333 That means injecting hydrogen gas into the oil 974 00:53:13,367 --> 00:53:16,066 under controlled temperature and pressure... 975 00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:19,300 a process that changes some of the polyunsaturates 976 00:53:19,333 --> 00:53:22,133 into a kind of fat called trans fat. 977 00:53:23,233 --> 00:53:25,700 Margarine and other vegetable oil products 978 00:53:25,734 --> 00:53:27,867 with trans fat were cheaper than butter 979 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,233 and stayed fresh longer. 980 00:53:30,266 --> 00:53:33,300 They became popular in baked goods, 981 00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:37,567 deep frying, and all kinds of processed foods. 982 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,834 For decades, we were told they were healthy alternatives 983 00:53:40,867 --> 00:53:42,767 to foods with saturated fats. 984 00:53:43,767 --> 00:53:46,834 But in the 1990s, scientists discovered 985 00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:51,467 that trans fats were in fact not very healthy at all. 986 00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:54,567 Many people associated with the American Heart Association 987 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,867 had been advising people to consume margarine 988 00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:01,166 that was loaded with trans fat, although lower in saturated fat. 989 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,133 As it turns out, people who had more trans fat in their diet 990 00:54:04,166 --> 00:54:07,967 had higher rates of heart disease and diabetes. 991 00:54:08,066 --> 00:54:11,133 Those margarines were about the worst things that people could be eating. 992 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,433 [Michael] So, think of it... 993 00:54:14,467 --> 00:54:16,567 what we told people is to get off 994 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,133 a possibly unhealthy fat called saturated fat 995 00:54:20,166 --> 00:54:23,734 and replace it with a fat that we subsequently learned 996 00:54:23,767 --> 00:54:25,900 actually does give you heart attacks. 997 00:54:28,166 --> 00:54:29,633 As time went on, 998 00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:33,834 many people began thinking that all fats were bad. 999 00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:37,967 [man] Fat was oversold as public enemy number one. 1000 00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:39,667 Now, fat is an essential ingredient. 1001 00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:41,767 You will die without certain fatty acids 1002 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,800 so you, you need some fat. 1003 00:54:44,834 --> 00:54:46,433 There are many people in the United States 1004 00:54:46,467 --> 00:54:48,333 who think you should eat a no-fat diet. 1005 00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:50,266 You'd be dead. 1006 00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:54,433 [Michael] In 2001, 1007 00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:57,900 scientists at the Harvard School of Public Health 1008 00:54:57,934 --> 00:54:59,266 issued a scathing report. 1009 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,967 "The low-fat campaign," they wrote, 1010 00:55:03,066 --> 00:55:06,100 "has been based on little scientific evidence 1011 00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:09,200 and may have caused unintended health consequences." 1012 00:55:11,066 --> 00:55:13,300 Essentially, to read this article 1013 00:55:13,333 --> 00:55:15,800 is to see the entire scientific edifice 1014 00:55:15,834 --> 00:55:18,100 around the low-fat campaign 1015 00:55:18,133 --> 00:55:20,333 crumble before your eyes. 1016 00:55:20,367 --> 00:55:23,233 The scientists said the low-fat campaign 1017 00:55:23,266 --> 00:55:25,834 had oversimplified the science. 1018 00:55:25,867 --> 00:55:28,567 They reported that replacing saturated fat 1019 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,800 with unsaturated fat did lower the risk of heart disease. 1020 00:55:32,834 --> 00:55:36,066 But they noted that while a significant association 1021 00:55:36,066 --> 00:55:38,533 between saturated fat and heart disease 1022 00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:40,066 was found in two studies, 1023 00:55:40,066 --> 00:55:43,700 it was not found in seven others. 1024 00:55:43,734 --> 00:55:46,900 And they pointed out that as people replaced fat 1025 00:55:46,934 --> 00:55:49,166 with carbohydrates and sugar, 1026 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,066 the prevalence of obesity and diabetes grew dramatically. 1027 00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:58,967 It's tragic because, in the process of doing this, 1028 00:55:59,066 --> 00:56:03,433 all supposedly with the idea of improving the public health, 1029 00:56:03,467 --> 00:56:05,667 we may have made the public health worse. 1030 00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:10,200 This was a tremendous public health mistake. 1031 00:56:11,834 --> 00:56:15,433 And that mistake was getting so obsessed with a single nutrient. 1032 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,767 The glamor is in the nutrients, and there's no question 1033 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,300 that when you do that, you stumble down the path 1034 00:56:23,333 --> 00:56:26,066 and you hit something and you say, "Oh, that's it. 1035 00:56:26,066 --> 00:56:30,066 That's it... it's fat. It's fat. Cut out the fat." 1036 00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:33,367 And then about ten years later, you say, 1037 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,900 "Well, now, wait a minute. It really isn't all fat." 1038 00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:39,600 And they're always coming out with something new 1039 00:56:39,633 --> 00:56:41,600 telling you what's the ideal diet. 1040 00:56:43,467 --> 00:56:45,400 So, of course, people are confused. 1041 00:56:48,767 --> 00:56:51,867 [Michael] Scientists now understand that a healthy diet 1042 00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:56,700 has to do with a lot more than one kind of food or nutrient. 1043 00:56:56,734 --> 00:57:00,066 [man] A single nutrient or a single food 1044 00:57:00,066 --> 00:57:02,066 are not the magic bullet. 1045 00:57:02,066 --> 00:57:04,600 That is the combination of foods 1046 00:57:04,633 --> 00:57:09,533 that is the most important determinant of health. 1047 00:57:09,567 --> 00:57:12,600 [man] We should not be talking about nutritionism, 1048 00:57:12,633 --> 00:57:15,133 we should talk about nutrition. 1049 00:57:15,166 --> 00:57:17,266 We shouldn't talk about components of food. 1050 00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:18,667 We should talk about food. 1051 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,867 [Michael] But eating food isn't always easy, 1052 00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:28,533 especially for the millions of people who live in low-income neighborhoods 1053 00:57:28,567 --> 00:57:31,934 where so much of what's available is processed food. 1054 00:57:33,867 --> 00:57:35,500 [man] If you go shopping across the street, 1055 00:57:35,533 --> 00:57:38,367 you'll be able to purchase a wide variety of cigarettes, 1056 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,967 chocolates, soda, malt liquor, and potato chips. 1057 00:57:43,066 --> 00:57:44,667 Probably some canned vegetables, 1058 00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:48,367 rice, sugar, bread, cheese, and processed meat. 1059 00:57:49,834 --> 00:57:53,100 People make decisions based on what they can afford. 1060 00:57:54,333 --> 00:57:58,500 And sadly, what they can afford often is cheap food... 1061 00:57:58,533 --> 00:58:02,800 Things that will enable you to stretch your dollar as far as possible. 1062 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,734 [man] Growing up, what I typically ate was fast food, 1063 00:58:08,767 --> 00:58:12,533 whether it's Mickey-D's or a Burger King, 1064 00:58:12,567 --> 00:58:16,667 going to the corner store buying a bag of chips and a soda for less than $3. 1065 00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:19,300 That's what you're used to. 1066 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:23,667 We're gonna move all these towers into this beautiful formation 1067 00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:25,100 and then we're going to go farming. 1068 00:58:26,266 --> 00:58:27,767 [Michael] But all over the country, 1069 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,834 including here in the South Bronx, 1070 00:58:29,867 --> 00:58:34,166 people are finding ingenious ways to get real food. 1071 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,567 Malik found a home. 1072 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,066 One for you, But don't cut yet. 1073 00:58:37,066 --> 00:58:39,066 Let's walk our way through this. 1074 00:58:39,066 --> 00:58:41,900 Do we want to take all the leaves off the plants? 1075 00:58:41,934 --> 00:58:43,533 -No. -No. 1076 00:58:43,567 --> 00:58:45,233 So what we're gonna do... we're gonna come over here. 1077 00:58:45,266 --> 00:58:46,767 We're gonna go right down to the bottom. 1078 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,934 Take the top shoots off... boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 1079 00:58:49,967 --> 00:58:51,500 Boom. 1080 00:58:51,533 --> 00:58:54,433 [Michael] Teacher Steve Ritz runs a network of food projects, 1081 00:58:54,467 --> 00:58:58,266 which includes this hydroponic vegetable garden. 1082 00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:00,066 There's a myth that people are happy 1083 00:59:00,066 --> 00:59:02,767 with cheeseburgers and French fries. They're not. 1084 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,934 You got a whole lot of crop going on here, sweetie. 1085 00:59:06,266 --> 00:59:07,433 I know. 1086 00:59:07,467 --> 00:59:10,500 But many people don't know there are other options. 1087 00:59:10,533 --> 00:59:11,900 And that's what we're doing here... 1088 00:59:11,934 --> 00:59:13,333 teaching people about options. 1089 00:59:13,367 --> 00:59:16,200 -Tastes good and fresh. -I know, right? 1090 00:59:16,233 --> 00:59:18,700 What we found is that when you give people 1091 00:59:18,734 --> 00:59:21,934 in low-income areas the opportunity to grow food, 1092 00:59:21,967 --> 00:59:24,400 they respond resiliently. 1093 00:59:24,433 --> 00:59:26,767 You'll be picking the produce at the peak 1094 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,834 of freshness and nutritional value. 1095 00:59:28,867 --> 00:59:30,633 So you'll not only be getting fresh food, 1096 00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:33,567 you'll be getting healthier food. 1097 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,734 [Michael] Ritz got his start growing food back in 2005. 1098 00:59:37,767 --> 00:59:42,900 He had become tired of seeing his students grow fat and become diabetic. 1099 00:59:42,934 --> 00:59:45,900 With fresh vegetables hard to find in the Bronx, 1100 00:59:45,934 --> 00:59:48,633 he and his kids got access to a vacant lot 1101 00:59:48,667 --> 00:59:51,066 and started growing their own. 1102 00:59:52,367 --> 00:59:54,667 [Ritz] We were able to transform this space 1103 00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:57,133 from something that was a blighted area 1104 00:59:57,166 --> 00:59:59,633 into something that was a productive area. 1105 01:00:01,467 --> 01:00:03,900 And that made the kids feel good. 1106 01:00:03,934 --> 01:00:07,200 It made me feel great. I couldn't believe it. 1107 01:00:07,233 --> 01:00:11,433 [Michael] Ritz now has kids growing vegetables all over the Bronx, 1108 01:00:11,467 --> 01:00:14,000 and they're feeding hundreds of people a week. 1109 01:00:16,033 --> 01:00:19,600 One group he works with are teenagers who've dropped out, 1110 01:00:19,633 --> 01:00:22,100 or been kicked out, of the public schools. 1111 01:00:22,133 --> 01:00:24,400 All right, listen up, advanced culinary guys. 1112 01:00:24,433 --> 01:00:26,467 That's you, you, and you. 1113 01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:28,433 If these kids don't know what they're doing, give them a hand. 1114 01:00:28,467 --> 01:00:30,300 This is only their fourth day in the kitchen. 1115 01:00:30,333 --> 01:00:31,400 All right? 1116 01:00:31,433 --> 01:00:34,100 [Michael] Ritz learned that JVL Wildcat Academy, 1117 01:00:34,133 --> 01:00:36,734 a school that gives kids second chances, 1118 01:00:36,767 --> 01:00:38,166 had a restaurant kitchen 1119 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,233 and was training kids to become professional cooks. 1120 01:00:41,266 --> 01:00:43,300 I'm gonna demonstrate how to make pesto... 1121 01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:45,100 classic pesto, okay? 1122 01:00:45,133 --> 01:00:49,834 It's a basil-based sauce, uh, with nuts and cheese, all right? 1123 01:00:49,867 --> 01:00:51,300 Why don't you guys go get washed up, 1124 01:00:51,333 --> 01:00:53,900 claim your stations, and let's go. 1125 01:00:53,934 --> 01:00:55,900 Bring that over here. Put that over here with this. 1126 01:00:55,934 --> 01:00:58,266 I saw a great commercial kitchen 1127 01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:01,400 that has kids from troubled backgrounds 1128 01:01:01,433 --> 01:01:03,567 learning how to cook and be engaged 1129 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,066 in the food service industry. 1130 01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:08,867 And next to that kitchen, I saw a huge, open space. 1131 01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:11,900 And I said to myself, "Hmm, wouldn't it be great 1132 01:01:11,934 --> 01:01:14,767 to grow the food that they need for that kitchen 1133 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,734 right next door to it... zero miles to plate, if you will?" 1134 01:01:18,767 --> 01:01:20,867 [Michael] So the basil they grow in the garden 1135 01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:23,633 goes right into the pesto they make in the kitchen. 1136 01:01:23,667 --> 01:01:25,200 Let's grab some chives. 1137 01:01:25,233 --> 01:01:27,667 [Michael] The head of the kitchen is Bill Peacock. 1138 01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:30,400 Let's head on down here. Let's go over to here. 1139 01:01:30,867 --> 01:01:32,834 Five arugula. 1140 01:01:32,867 --> 01:01:35,066 [Michael] After years cooking in restaurants, 1141 01:01:35,066 --> 01:01:37,700 he came here to teach in 2003. 1142 01:01:37,734 --> 01:01:39,066 -And two Butterheads? -Yep. 1143 01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:40,233 All right. 1144 01:01:40,266 --> 01:01:42,133 These students, they're going out to fast food 1145 01:01:42,166 --> 01:01:44,567 and they're eating convenience foods. 1146 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,066 They're not gonna be eating fresh fruit or fresh vegetables 1147 01:01:47,066 --> 01:01:48,100 because it's not there. 1148 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,133 But now we've got the hydroponic garden. 1149 01:01:52,166 --> 01:01:53,700 They're seeing the life cycle, 1150 01:01:53,734 --> 01:01:56,066 and seeing these things actually growing. 1151 01:01:56,066 --> 01:01:58,667 They're moving them from stage to stage. 1152 01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:01,266 Makes a big difference. 1153 01:02:03,633 --> 01:02:05,400 [man] Being able to grow our own product 1154 01:02:05,433 --> 01:02:08,533 right next to where we cook just seemed mind blowing... 1155 01:02:08,567 --> 01:02:09,934 the fact that we can do that 1156 01:02:10,834 --> 01:02:13,066 and show, you know, where we live 1157 01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:16,367 that we can do this is something I can't describe. 1158 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,567 It's an amazing thing. 1159 01:02:20,834 --> 01:02:23,600 Okay, why are we making it... making sure it's so dry? 1160 01:02:23,633 --> 01:02:25,300 So the salad won't fall off. 1161 01:02:25,333 --> 01:02:27,233 -Not the salad, the salad what? -The salad dressing. 1162 01:02:27,266 --> 01:02:29,834 There you go... the salad dressing. 1163 01:02:29,867 --> 01:02:31,200 All right, listen up. 1164 01:02:31,233 --> 01:02:33,767 We are coming towards time to eat. 1165 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,800 Now everybody is gonna cook their own plate of pasta. 1166 01:02:36,834 --> 01:02:38,200 Have fun. 1167 01:02:38,233 --> 01:02:40,467 All right, there you go. Where's your plate? 1168 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,066 The salad was a big winner today, 1169 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,767 which was surprising 1170 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,567 because these kids have never eaten anything like this... 1171 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,500 never knew that a green can have a peppery flavor, 1172 01:02:53,533 --> 01:02:56,166 never knew that a green could have a soft, subtle flavor. 1173 01:02:59,767 --> 01:03:02,367 All right, let's see what we got here, Gustavo. 1174 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,967 Very nice. 1175 01:03:04,066 --> 01:03:05,300 All right, grab your salad, 1176 01:03:05,333 --> 01:03:08,700 get yourself an iced tea, and enjoy your meal. 1177 01:03:08,734 --> 01:03:11,700 The fact that all those kids shoved that lettuce in their mouth today 1178 01:03:11,734 --> 01:03:14,066 was only because they grew that lettuce. 1179 01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:17,333 So it's an ownership. 1180 01:03:17,367 --> 01:03:19,800 You look like you're eating it. 1181 01:03:19,834 --> 01:03:24,133 [man] If you expose people to locally grown, healthy food, 1182 01:03:24,166 --> 01:03:25,233 they tend to like it. 1183 01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:27,800 They really do. 1184 01:03:27,834 --> 01:03:30,500 It's not something that's exclusive. 1185 01:03:30,533 --> 01:03:32,867 It's not something for the highfalutin 1186 01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:36,533 or for the fringe, you know... fringe outliers. 1187 01:03:36,567 --> 01:03:39,133 And when you can grow your own food, 1188 01:03:39,166 --> 01:03:41,200 people are really inspired by that. 1189 01:03:45,467 --> 01:03:48,066 [Michael] But the big food companies, of course, 1190 01:03:48,066 --> 01:03:51,500 still provide most of the food people eat. 1191 01:03:51,533 --> 01:03:54,700 And they say they're making processed food healthier. 1192 01:03:55,066 --> 01:03:56,367 How? 1193 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,533 By doing what they've always done... 1194 01:03:58,567 --> 01:04:00,066 tweaking the nutrients. 1195 01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,400 This is really seeing can dietary protein alone 1196 01:04:02,433 --> 01:04:04,367 impact lean mass cause it's always been... 1197 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,767 [Michael] More than 20,000 people are gathering in Chicago 1198 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,500 for America's biggest food expo... 1199 01:04:10,533 --> 01:04:13,533 the annual meeting of the Institute of Food Technologists, 1200 01:04:14,333 --> 01:04:16,166 the IFT. 1201 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,266 [man] The IFT brings together all manner of companies 1202 01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,100 from the small to the medium 1203 01:04:22,133 --> 01:04:26,533 to the huge, multi-billion dollar corporations. 1204 01:04:26,567 --> 01:04:29,333 It's a supermarket of ingredients 1205 01:04:29,367 --> 01:04:31,600 for the food producers. 1206 01:04:31,633 --> 01:04:35,166 [Michael] And those producers are making foods that last. 1207 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,900 If you want something fresh, 1208 01:04:36,934 --> 01:04:38,567 you could go to the bottom of the garden. 1209 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,500 If you want something that is going to live in your pantry 1210 01:04:42,533 --> 01:04:44,834 for three months, nine months, 1211 01:04:44,867 --> 01:04:47,266 or more than that, then you'll have to have something 1212 01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:52,734 that's well-preserved and built n such a way that it is stable. 1213 01:04:52,767 --> 01:04:56,066 [Michael] People from companies like Kraft and General Mills 1214 01:04:56,066 --> 01:05:00,633 come here to see what food scientists are developing for tomorrow... 1215 01:05:00,667 --> 01:05:03,633 like hot dogs made with rice bran... 1216 01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:05,734 the vitamin-rich part of the rice seed 1217 01:05:05,767 --> 01:05:08,166 that's usually thrown away. 1218 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,567 Or gluten-free pizza whose crust has no wheat, 1219 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,433 and is made instead from a byproduct of cheesemaking 1220 01:05:14,467 --> 01:05:16,333 called whey. 1221 01:05:16,367 --> 01:05:19,166 [woman] The gluten-free industry has gone crazy. 1222 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,667 And it's amazing how many are interested in the gluten-free. 1223 01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:24,600 And they can't believe that it doesn't taste funny. 1224 01:05:24,633 --> 01:05:29,100 It tastes like the real pizza crust that would have wheat in it. 1225 01:05:29,133 --> 01:05:32,567 [Michael] And one of the world's biggest food companies, Cargill, 1226 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,266 is here showing prototypes 1227 01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:37,967 for healthier, processed food products for kids. 1228 01:05:38,066 --> 01:05:41,600 [man] The theme of our exhibit this year is around childhood nutrition. 1229 01:05:41,633 --> 01:05:43,900 We understand, or, recognize that obesity 1230 01:05:43,934 --> 01:05:45,834 is a concern in the United States 1231 01:05:45,867 --> 01:05:47,900 and that more and more people are looking 1232 01:05:47,934 --> 01:05:51,066 for more healthful alternatives to the food choices. 1233 01:05:51,066 --> 01:05:54,367 [Michael] Cargill buys a huge share of the world's farm products, 1234 01:05:55,533 --> 01:05:58,066 from which it makes hundreds of food ingredients. 1235 01:05:59,333 --> 01:06:02,066 The company is showing how some of these ingredients 1236 01:06:02,066 --> 01:06:03,700 could be used to take advantage 1237 01:06:03,734 --> 01:06:07,333 of the growing interest in healthier eating. 1238 01:06:07,367 --> 01:06:10,467 [man] The first exhibit we're gonna look at is a peanut butter spread 1239 01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:13,066 that has added chicory root fiber. 1240 01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:15,200 You get three grams of fiber per serving. 1241 01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:20,133 Next, we have a chewy chocolate chip granola bar. 1242 01:06:20,166 --> 01:06:23,166 This contains whole grain corn 1243 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,200 so you can get some added fiber there, as well. 1244 01:06:26,233 --> 01:06:28,900 This is our reduced-sugar chocolate milk, 1245 01:06:28,934 --> 01:06:31,800 and it's had 25 percent of the sugar replaced 1246 01:06:31,834 --> 01:06:34,066 with Cargill Stevia leaf extract, 1247 01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:37,333 which is a natural sweetener that reduces the overall sugar content. 1248 01:06:38,767 --> 01:06:41,467 One thing we've learned over and over again 1249 01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:44,800 is if food does not taste good, consumers simply won't buy it. 1250 01:06:44,834 --> 01:06:47,200 And that's the challenge that the food scientists take on 1251 01:06:47,233 --> 01:06:49,533 is to find that perfect sweet spot 1252 01:06:49,567 --> 01:06:51,967 of health, convenience, and taste. 1253 01:06:54,433 --> 01:06:58,700 [Michael] There's no question that processed food is convenient and often tasty. 1254 01:06:58,734 --> 01:07:02,333 But when it comes to health, the claims manufacturers use 1255 01:07:02,367 --> 01:07:04,734 to sell their products are frequently confusing, 1256 01:07:04,767 --> 01:07:06,734 if not deceptive. 1257 01:07:06,767 --> 01:07:09,400 A trip to the supermarket has become kind of a journey 1258 01:07:09,433 --> 01:07:11,700 through a treacherous landscape. 1259 01:07:11,734 --> 01:07:15,633 I mean, what are we to make of a product like Splenda with fiber? 1260 01:07:16,066 --> 01:07:19,066 [laughter] 1261 01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:22,967 They're selling the lack of one nutrient, sugar, 1262 01:07:23,066 --> 01:07:27,533 and the gratuitous presence of another, fiber. 1263 01:07:27,567 --> 01:07:29,967 So it allows you to have this amazing thing 1264 01:07:30,066 --> 01:07:32,767 never before tasted in the history of mankind, 1265 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,367 which is high-fiber coffee. 1266 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,433 [laughter] 1267 01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:41,400 These guys are really the champs 1268 01:07:41,433 --> 01:07:44,767 of aggressive health claims... Pom Wonderful. 1269 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,867 They were advertising these products 1270 01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:49,467 as helping everything from, uh, your heart 1271 01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:52,300 to your prostate, to... and I kid you not... 1272 01:07:52,333 --> 01:07:53,834 erectile dysfunction. 1273 01:07:54,367 --> 01:07:55,934 This drink right here. 1274 01:07:55,967 --> 01:07:58,300 And they got in a little hot water for that because they tested it. 1275 01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:01,567 They performed these experiments on, uh, rabbits. 1276 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,667 And some animal rights people got very upset. 1277 01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:08,300 Okay, but the thing that struck me is, do rabbits have this problem? 1278 01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:09,500 [laughter] 1279 01:08:09,533 --> 01:08:12,133 Anyway, they went too far, though, 1280 01:08:12,166 --> 01:08:15,867 when they put a health claim on, or a slogan that was... 1281 01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:17,133 I'm not kidding... 1282 01:08:17,166 --> 01:08:19,400 "Cheat death with this product." 1283 01:08:20,667 --> 01:08:23,100 And the FTC said, "You can't do that." 1284 01:08:23,133 --> 01:08:26,734 You can't promise, uh, immortality with your products. 1285 01:08:30,467 --> 01:08:34,066 You think about people trying to make good choices in the supermarket 1286 01:08:34,066 --> 01:08:36,567 and finding themselves not losing weight, 1287 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,300 not improving their health, and you wonder why? 1288 01:08:39,333 --> 01:08:40,633 Well, look at yogurt. 1289 01:08:40,667 --> 01:08:43,767 Yogurt is a healthy choice, we're told. 1290 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,500 We give it to our kids in huge amounts. 1291 01:08:46,066 --> 01:08:47,400 This is Yoplait. 1292 01:08:47,433 --> 01:08:50,767 This is one of the first of the very successful yogurt brands. 1293 01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,934 And this is, uh, YoCrunch, 1294 01:08:52,967 --> 01:08:54,734 and this one comes with M&Ms. 1295 01:08:56,734 --> 01:09:00,500 Talk about a confused message, but here's the thing. 1296 01:09:01,233 --> 01:09:02,934 Yoplait, Coca-cola... 1297 01:09:02,967 --> 01:09:05,533 obviously, this is the better choice, right? 1298 01:09:05,567 --> 01:09:08,367 But if you look at how much sugar is in this, 1299 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,600 there is exactly the same amount of sugar in these two things. 1300 01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:17,100 This is the latest sugar delivery system. 1301 01:09:17,133 --> 01:09:20,266 And so we feel good about not giving our kids soda, 1302 01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:22,300 but we give them this instead. 1303 01:09:22,333 --> 01:09:24,600 So that's what I mean when I say 1304 01:09:24,633 --> 01:09:27,200 it's really gotten treacherous out there. 1305 01:09:32,433 --> 01:09:36,500 So how do you know what's really healthy and what's not? 1306 01:09:36,533 --> 01:09:38,934 How can you tell the difference between food 1307 01:09:38,967 --> 01:09:41,133 and edible food-like substances? 1308 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,834 I've come up with some common-sense guidelines 1309 01:09:44,867 --> 01:09:46,433 I call food rules. 1310 01:09:47,734 --> 01:09:51,066 Like eat only foods that will eventually rot. 1311 01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:57,066 Eat only foods that have been cooked by humans. 1312 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,200 And avoid foods you see advertised on television. 1313 01:10:05,467 --> 01:10:08,000 So, if we're going to eat real food, 1314 01:10:08,033 --> 01:10:11,734 the next obvious question is, "What kind of real food?" 1315 01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:16,600 And that part of my overall food guidance is, 1316 01:10:16,633 --> 01:10:18,400 in some ways, the most controversial... 1317 01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:20,467 mostly plants. 1318 01:10:21,667 --> 01:10:24,033 Why do I say mostly plants? 1319 01:10:25,934 --> 01:10:28,100 It didn't please vegetarians, 1320 01:10:28,133 --> 01:10:30,133 who thought I should go all the way. 1321 01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:32,400 I know. I'm tempted. 1322 01:10:32,433 --> 01:10:34,200 [Michael] And it certainly didn't please meat-eaters, 1323 01:10:34,233 --> 01:10:35,767 who thought I was dissing meat. 1324 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,367 These are animals that were carved this week. 1325 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,667 [Michael] But I used that word after a lot of consideration, 1326 01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:46,233 because it's a somewhat equivocal message. 1327 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:49,100 There are people who demonize meat, 1328 01:10:49,133 --> 01:10:50,867 but there's no reason to do that. 1329 01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:52,100 Meat is healthy food. 1330 01:10:52,967 --> 01:10:54,066 Humans have eaten meat 1331 01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:56,233 for a very long time with great pleasure. 1332 01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,800 I think our problem is we eat too much of it. 1333 01:11:01,133 --> 01:11:03,066 So, and that's why I say mostly plants. 1334 01:11:04,767 --> 01:11:08,900 Every additional daily serving of vegetables and fruit 1335 01:11:08,934 --> 01:11:11,734 reduces your risk of stroke by five percent 1336 01:11:11,767 --> 01:11:14,300 and your risk of heart disease by four percent. 1337 01:11:14,333 --> 01:11:16,600 We only eat about between two and three portions 1338 01:11:16,633 --> 01:11:19,200 of vegetables and fruit in this country. 1339 01:11:19,233 --> 01:11:23,600 If we up that by just one more, that would save 30,000 lives 1340 01:11:23,633 --> 01:11:26,467 and five billion dollars in health-care costs. 1341 01:11:36,166 --> 01:11:38,100 [man] Great, how's it look? 1342 01:11:38,133 --> 01:11:39,500 [indistinct chatter] 1343 01:11:39,533 --> 01:11:41,266 [woman] Remember our rules for letting them out? 1344 01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:43,300 -Don't bother them. -Don't bother them. That's right. 1345 01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:47,100 But we are gonna police them away from our vegetables, right? 1346 01:11:47,133 --> 01:11:49,834 [Michael] At a day camp in Sunnyvale, California, 1347 01:11:49,867 --> 01:11:53,600 Stanford scientist Christopher Gardner is exploring what it takes 1348 01:11:53,633 --> 01:11:56,066 to get children to eat more vegetables. 1349 01:11:57,633 --> 01:11:59,467 [Christopher] One of my research interests 1350 01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:02,767 is just how many vegetables could I get a kid to eat. 1351 01:12:03,367 --> 01:12:04,500 What are the barriers? 1352 01:12:04,533 --> 01:12:06,133 What are the things that get in the way? 1353 01:12:06,166 --> 01:12:07,567 Is it a peer pressure thing? 1354 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,633 Is it really a taste thing? Is it familiarity? 1355 01:12:10,667 --> 01:12:13,667 [woman] So, today, we have garlic-basil hummus 1356 01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:15,800 and we also have lemon cucumbers, 1357 01:12:16,367 --> 01:12:18,166 green beans, and corn. 1358 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,834 You can try the raw veggies by themselves. 1359 01:12:19,867 --> 01:12:22,233 You can dip them into the hummus. 1360 01:12:22,266 --> 01:12:25,066 Here's another really big one over here. 1361 01:12:25,066 --> 01:12:28,567 What they learn is that it's really delicious food. 1362 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,734 But it's just taking that first jump 1363 01:12:30,767 --> 01:12:33,500 into feeling comfortable enough to try it. 1364 01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:36,200 So, in terms of teamwork... 1365 01:12:36,233 --> 01:12:39,100 [Michael] To make that jump easier, in the cooking assignment 1366 01:12:39,133 --> 01:12:41,467 that culminates the week, the kids have been told 1367 01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:45,500 to use three different vegetables to make... pizza. 1368 01:12:45,533 --> 01:12:47,333 Uh, does pickles count as a vegetable? 1369 01:12:47,367 --> 01:12:49,600 Yeah. 1370 01:12:49,633 --> 01:12:51,367 [Christopher] One of the main points of the camp 1371 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,867 is to get the kids connected with food, 1372 01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:56,700 because you see this light bulb go off over their heads 1373 01:12:56,734 --> 01:12:58,667 and this sparkle in their eye when they see, 1374 01:12:58,700 --> 01:13:02,900 "Oh, that food... it grows just like this!" 1375 01:13:03,967 --> 01:13:06,266 [woman] So, yesterday, we came up with a list. 1376 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:11,900 So we have squash, peppers, kale, green beans, cucumber. 1377 01:13:11,934 --> 01:13:14,300 Eggs is not considered a vegetable 1378 01:13:14,333 --> 01:13:18,433 but it can be an additional topping to your pizza. 1379 01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:23,800 [indistinct chatter] 1380 01:13:23,834 --> 01:13:25,166 It's pretty much dough, 1381 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:29,567 and then I have pesto, tomato paste, or sauce. 1382 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,367 I have cheese, a mixture-- 1383 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,066 we cooked onions, peppers, 1384 01:13:36,066 --> 01:13:38,967 and garlic together so I have that on my pizza. 1385 01:13:39,066 --> 01:13:42,533 Tomatoes, and then I have an inner ring of pickles, 1386 01:13:42,567 --> 01:13:44,900 which I'm really excited about because I've never had pickles on a pizza. 1387 01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:53,867 [woman] What do you think? Does that look done? 1388 01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:56,567 [man] I'm kind of stunned actually how many different vegetables 1389 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,600 they're willing to try by the end of the week, 1390 01:13:58,633 --> 01:14:01,367 and how many they're willing to say they like 1391 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,934 just within a few days. 1392 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,133 -You want your peppers, right? -Yes, I want peppers. 1393 01:14:08,166 --> 01:14:11,367 [Michael] When people eat a plant-based diet, their whole lives, 1394 01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,533 the benefits are impressive. 1395 01:14:14,367 --> 01:14:16,166 Here in Loma Linda, California, 1396 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,166 many people belong to the same religious denomination 1397 01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,066 that the Kellogg brothers did... the Seventh-Day Adventists. 1398 01:14:23,066 --> 01:14:25,867 -Green onions? -Sure. 1399 01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:27,967 [Michael] Founded back in the 19th century, 1400 01:14:28,066 --> 01:14:31,100 the church has always emphasized healthy living. 1401 01:14:31,133 --> 01:14:34,066 Green chards... lots of green chards. 1402 01:14:34,066 --> 01:14:37,800 [Michael] Today, Adventists have the longest life expectancy 1403 01:14:37,834 --> 01:14:40,233 of any group in the United States. 1404 01:14:40,266 --> 01:14:43,100 I can't believe you're gonna be a 101 in August. 1405 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,867 [Michael] The residents at this retirement home 1406 01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:53,133 are almost all Adventists. 1407 01:14:53,166 --> 01:14:56,767 [woman] We feel that our bodies are the temple of God. 1408 01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,533 And we owe it to ourselves and to our community 1409 01:14:59,567 --> 01:15:01,133 to keep up our health. 1410 01:15:01,166 --> 01:15:06,200 We have at least two or three people who are a 100 years old here. 1411 01:15:06,233 --> 01:15:09,266 And they seem to get along very well. 1412 01:15:11,433 --> 01:15:13,867 I'm 92 years old. 1413 01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:16,166 The average age is 93. 1414 01:15:18,533 --> 01:15:20,133 I walk four miles a day. 1415 01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:23,066 I used to walk outside, 1416 01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:26,867 but now I walk in the villa here. 1417 01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:31,500 I realized that if I go from end to the other 1418 01:15:31,533 --> 01:15:35,100 and back six times, it's a mile. 1419 01:15:35,133 --> 01:15:38,734 So I go back and forth 24 times in the morning. 1420 01:15:43,467 --> 01:15:48,066 [Michael] Almost all Adventists abstain from smoking and alcohol. 1421 01:15:48,066 --> 01:15:51,433 And about 50 percent of them are vegetarians. 1422 01:15:51,467 --> 01:15:54,400 I have been a vegetarian all my life. 1423 01:15:54,433 --> 01:15:55,667 [man] And you, Richard? 1424 01:15:55,700 --> 01:15:58,166 I could say the same thing, 1425 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,600 and I haven't missed anything. 1426 01:16:00,633 --> 01:16:04,166 It's pretty well-established that especially the red meats 1427 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,066 are not really that good for you. 1428 01:16:07,066 --> 01:16:10,066 [Michael] And that's true if you eat too much of them. 1429 01:16:10,066 --> 01:16:12,467 Studies show that the more red meat you eat, 1430 01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:15,133 the greater your risk of getting heart disease, 1431 01:16:15,166 --> 01:16:17,500 diabetes, and certain cancers. 1432 01:16:19,767 --> 01:16:21,500 Some of the meat studies were done 1433 01:16:21,533 --> 01:16:23,734 at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston. 1434 01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:27,100 [man] From what we've seen in our research, 1435 01:16:27,133 --> 01:16:29,900 eating mostly plants is a good idea. 1436 01:16:31,133 --> 01:16:34,567 We've done a series of analyses over the last few years 1437 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,767 comparing red meat with poultry with fish, with nuts, 1438 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,600 with legumes in relation to risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes. 1439 01:16:43,633 --> 01:16:46,900 And very consistently replacing red meat 1440 01:16:46,934 --> 01:16:49,667 with other protein sources turns out to be related 1441 01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:53,233 to lower risk of mortality from these diseases. 1442 01:16:55,266 --> 01:16:58,300 [Michael] In Cleveland, researchers have made a new finding 1443 01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:01,734 that they think might explain some of the risks of red meat. 1444 01:17:03,834 --> 01:17:06,667 Stanley Hazen is a cardiologist. 1445 01:17:06,700 --> 01:17:09,900 We were looking for characteristic markers or features 1446 01:17:09,934 --> 01:17:13,633 in the blood that predicted near-term risk 1447 01:17:13,667 --> 01:17:15,967 for heart attack, stroke, and death. 1448 01:17:16,066 --> 01:17:18,400 [Michael] Hazen and his colleagues found something 1449 01:17:18,433 --> 01:17:23,266 that seemed to do just that... a compound called TMAO. 1450 01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:25,800 When we first found that this compound 1451 01:17:25,834 --> 01:17:28,200 was associated with heart disease risk, 1452 01:17:28,233 --> 01:17:29,700 we didn't know very much about it. 1453 01:17:29,734 --> 01:17:32,800 So we tried to essentially reverse engineer... 1454 01:17:32,834 --> 01:17:34,800 where did it come from? 1455 01:17:34,834 --> 01:17:36,834 [Michael] The answer pointed to red meat, 1456 01:17:36,867 --> 01:17:40,066 which contains a substance called carnitine. 1457 01:17:40,066 --> 01:17:43,567 Bacteria in our intestines feed on carnitine, 1458 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,800 and help turn it into TMAO 1459 01:17:46,834 --> 01:17:50,834 Hazen found that the more TMAO there is in our bloodstream, 1460 01:17:50,867 --> 01:17:54,600 the more likely we are to develop heart disease. 1461 01:17:54,633 --> 01:17:59,400 What we have found is that TMAO is enhancing heart disease risk 1462 01:17:59,433 --> 01:18:02,200 by changing cholesterol metabolism. 1463 01:18:02,233 --> 01:18:04,800 [Michael] In mice, higher levels of TMAO 1464 01:18:04,834 --> 01:18:08,367 made the sticky deposits of cholesterol called plaque 1465 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,500 more likely to form in their arteries. 1466 01:18:12,066 --> 01:18:16,200 [Stanley] I like to think of TMAO as a rheostat on a light switch. 1467 01:18:16,233 --> 01:18:19,333 If you have a high TMAO, you're gonna have more plaque. 1468 01:18:19,367 --> 01:18:22,433 If you have a low TMAO level, you end up having less plaque. 1469 01:18:24,266 --> 01:18:26,300 Based on our findings, 1470 01:18:26,333 --> 01:18:28,467 I have not stopped eating red meat, 1471 01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:31,934 but I have decreased the amount and also the frequency. 1472 01:18:31,967 --> 01:18:35,200 So, now, instead of having it multiple times a week, 1473 01:18:35,233 --> 01:18:37,333 I try to have it, at most, one time a week. 1474 01:18:39,867 --> 01:18:41,500 [Michael] We still don't understand 1475 01:18:41,533 --> 01:18:44,500 precisely why meat causes problems. 1476 01:18:44,533 --> 01:18:48,967 It could be the carnitine or the kind of iron in it 1477 01:18:49,066 --> 01:18:50,567 or the saturated fat. 1478 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,900 Or the problem may simply be 1479 01:18:54,934 --> 01:18:57,633 that meat crowds plants out of our diet. 1480 01:19:01,266 --> 01:19:03,200 But we do know this... 1481 01:19:03,233 --> 01:19:07,567 eating less meat and mostly plants is good for you. 1482 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,333 -Good. -Okay. 1483 01:19:10,367 --> 01:19:14,500 [Michael] Nutrition scientist Joan Sabate teaches at Loma Linda university. 1484 01:19:15,834 --> 01:19:17,333 He and his wife Carmen, 1485 01:19:17,367 --> 01:19:20,667 who both grew up in Adventist homes in Barcelona, 1486 01:19:20,700 --> 01:19:22,433 follow a vegetarian diet. 1487 01:19:24,967 --> 01:19:28,767 [Joan] For supper, I eat a good salad, or a good soup, 1488 01:19:29,633 --> 01:19:31,600 and vegetables 1489 01:19:31,633 --> 01:19:36,934 with carbohydrate foods such as pasta, or potatoes, or bread. 1490 01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:40,667 And then fruit for dessert. 1491 01:19:41,867 --> 01:19:43,834 That seems like a good meal. 1492 01:19:45,967 --> 01:19:51,333 But don't stick with just cauliflower and potatoes. 1493 01:19:51,367 --> 01:19:53,433 The plant kingdom is very rich 1494 01:19:53,467 --> 01:19:57,266 in textures, in flavors, in colors. 1495 01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:02,500 So a rich variety of plant foods is the best. 1496 01:20:02,533 --> 01:20:05,533 [Michael] Sabate has done studies comparing the longevity 1497 01:20:05,567 --> 01:20:07,467 of both kinds of Adventists... 1498 01:20:08,233 --> 01:20:10,867 meat-eaters and vegetarians. 1499 01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:13,633 He's found that vegetarian Adventists 1500 01:20:13,667 --> 01:20:17,667 live three to four years longer than non-vegetarian ones 1501 01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:20,800 and six to nine years longer than the rest of us. 1502 01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:24,900 You're awfully easy to please, honey, I must say. 1503 01:20:24,934 --> 01:20:28,800 [Michael] Ellsworth Wareham is one of those vegetarian Adventists. 1504 01:20:28,834 --> 01:20:31,133 He's 99. 1505 01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:34,066 He was a heart surgeon for more than five decades, 1506 01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:38,100 and retired at the age of 95. 1507 01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:42,200 [Ellsworth] During the last 20 years, I assisted in cardiac surgery. 1508 01:20:42,233 --> 01:20:46,333 I wasn't the principal surgeon, but I worked full-time. 1509 01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:50,967 I try to live a healthy lifestyle. 1510 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,900 And that involves, of course, trying to have proper nutrition. 1511 01:20:55,934 --> 01:20:59,100 Do I keep a list of things that I'm going to eat? 1512 01:20:59,133 --> 01:21:00,166 No. 1513 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,100 This has little hot peppers in it. 1514 01:21:02,133 --> 01:21:04,400 You eat a plant-based diet. 1515 01:21:04,433 --> 01:21:07,066 I want to just say how simple it is. 1516 01:21:07,066 --> 01:21:09,633 It is simple to have good eating habits. 1517 01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:14,600 [Michael] At the University of Pittsburgh, 1518 01:21:14,633 --> 01:21:19,367 researchers are exploring just how eating mostly plants may promote health. 1519 01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,834 We're particularly interested... 1520 01:21:20,867 --> 01:21:24,066 Colon cancer specialist Stephen O'Keefe 1521 01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:26,400 spent many years working in Africa, 1522 01:21:26,433 --> 01:21:29,867 where he saw very little colon cancer among his patients. 1523 01:21:31,467 --> 01:21:34,200 But when he moved to the United States, 1524 01:21:34,233 --> 01:21:37,266 he was struck by the fact that African-Americans 1525 01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:40,734 have one of the highest colon cancer rates in the world, 1526 01:21:40,767 --> 01:21:44,567 even though many are genetically similar to Africans. 1527 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:49,667 Studies have demonstrated that the factor most associated 1528 01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:55,567 with differences in colon cancer between Africans and African-Americans is diet. 1529 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,166 [Michael] Most Africans tend to eat more vegetables, fruits, 1530 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,400 beans, and whole grains 1531 01:22:01,433 --> 01:22:04,967 and less processed food than we do in the West. 1532 01:22:05,066 --> 01:22:07,834 And those plant-based foods contain substances 1533 01:22:07,867 --> 01:22:11,533 our bodies can't digest, which we call fiber. 1534 01:22:12,934 --> 01:22:16,467 We understood for a long time that fiber was important, 1535 01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:18,767 and we thought it was important to help people 1536 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,400 overcome constipation and improve what's called 1537 01:22:21,433 --> 01:22:24,900 transit time of food through your body. 1538 01:22:24,934 --> 01:22:28,834 But O'Keefe's studies reveal that fiber does something else. 1539 01:22:28,867 --> 01:22:32,567 It feeds bacteria in the colon that to help keep it healthy 1540 01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,767 by producing a compound called butyrate. 1541 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,667 Our cells don't produce it, but bacterial cells do. 1542 01:22:41,367 --> 01:22:43,166 If you eat enough fiber, 1543 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,233 you maintain a bacterial population 1544 01:22:46,266 --> 01:22:49,800 that convert the fiber into butyrate, 1545 01:22:49,834 --> 01:22:52,367 which maintains the health of the colon 1546 01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,200 and prevents cancer. 1547 01:22:55,533 --> 01:22:58,200 [Michael] Fiber is food for these microbes, 1548 01:22:58,233 --> 01:22:59,467 and if you don't feed it to them, 1549 01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:02,533 they're not gonna be well and you're not gonna be well. 1550 01:23:02,567 --> 01:23:05,300 And the less fiber you eat, O'Keefe has found, 1551 01:23:05,333 --> 01:23:08,800 the more bacteria you have that make harmful compounds 1552 01:23:08,834 --> 01:23:10,367 that can lead to cancer. 1553 01:23:13,266 --> 01:23:14,633 Since the Western diet 1554 01:23:14,667 --> 01:23:18,066 that many African-Americans eat is low in fiber, 1555 01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:20,967 and most Africans get plenty of fiber, 1556 01:23:21,066 --> 01:23:23,967 O'Keefe wondered what would happen if Africans 1557 01:23:24,066 --> 01:23:27,633 and African-Americans switched diets? 1558 01:23:27,667 --> 01:23:31,967 O'Keefe's team fed fiber-rich diets to African-Americans 1559 01:23:32,066 --> 01:23:35,066 and fiber-poor diets to people in South Africa. 1560 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,633 [O'Keefe] Then we basically measured substances 1561 01:23:39,667 --> 01:23:41,967 that are good or bad for the colon 1562 01:23:42,066 --> 01:23:46,100 before and then two weeks after their dietary switch. 1563 01:23:47,066 --> 01:23:48,633 [Michael] After just two weeks, 1564 01:23:48,667 --> 01:23:51,500 the amount of harmful compounds increased 1565 01:23:51,533 --> 01:23:53,700 in the colons of the Africans, 1566 01:23:53,734 --> 01:23:56,066 while the amount of beneficial compounds 1567 01:23:56,066 --> 01:23:58,967 like butyrate increased in the African-Americans. 1568 01:23:59,667 --> 01:24:01,400 This is the butyrate. 1569 01:24:01,433 --> 01:24:03,200 It's very dramatic. It's very easy to see. 1570 01:24:03,233 --> 01:24:04,667 -Yeah. -Yeah. 1571 01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:08,767 The exciting thing is that by changing your diet, 1572 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,433 you or I can influence our risk of colon cancer 1573 01:24:12,467 --> 01:24:14,166 in just two weeks. 1574 01:24:17,133 --> 01:24:18,867 So the larger lesson is 1575 01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:21,867 that we're not just eating for ourselves. 1576 01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:26,967 We're eating for the trillions of microbes that inhabit us, 1577 01:24:27,066 --> 01:24:30,533 like the ones that help protect breastfed babies. 1578 01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:33,633 The community of microbes inside us 1579 01:24:33,667 --> 01:24:37,100 has become known as the microbiome. 1580 01:24:37,133 --> 01:24:40,066 But scientists are just beginning to understand 1581 01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:44,934 how big a role those microbes play in our dietary health. 1582 01:24:44,967 --> 01:24:49,133 [man] Our ability to transform the complex chemicals in the foods that we eat 1583 01:24:49,166 --> 01:24:53,967 into products that we can grab a hold of and use, 1584 01:24:54,066 --> 01:24:58,333 very much depends upon our microbial partners. 1585 01:24:58,367 --> 01:25:01,500 And, in a sense, we never dine alone. 1586 01:25:02,667 --> 01:25:05,500 And that's why we proceeded to try to understand 1587 01:25:05,533 --> 01:25:08,367 this intersection between the foods that we eat, 1588 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,500 the microbes that we harbor, and our health. 1589 01:25:11,533 --> 01:25:13,700 [Michael] Jeffrey Gordon and his colleagues 1590 01:25:13,734 --> 01:25:16,533 have found that these microbes can actually influence 1591 01:25:16,567 --> 01:25:19,233 both obesity and malnutrition. 1592 01:25:20,734 --> 01:25:24,567 In Malawi, his team studied unusual pairs of twins. 1593 01:25:25,633 --> 01:25:29,633 Even though they'd been fed similar diets, 1594 01:25:29,667 --> 01:25:32,800 in dozens of cases, one twin was malnourished and the other one wasn't. 1595 01:25:34,066 --> 01:25:37,200 It turned out that their intestinal bacteria, 1596 01:25:37,233 --> 01:25:41,066 for reasons still unknown, were starkly different. 1597 01:25:41,066 --> 01:25:45,533 [man] This suggested that there may be a causal relationship 1598 01:25:45,567 --> 01:25:48,834 between the microbes and malnutrition, 1599 01:25:48,867 --> 01:25:50,233 but it didn't prove it. 1600 01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:56,066 [Michael] To test this hypothesis, the scientists transplanted 1601 01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:59,600 the children's intestinal bacteria into mice 1602 01:25:59,633 --> 01:26:02,066 that had been bred to have none of their own. 1603 01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:05,967 The mice that got the sick twin's bacteria 1604 01:26:06,066 --> 01:26:08,800 developed symptoms of malnutrition. 1605 01:26:08,834 --> 01:26:11,867 Those that got the healthy twin's bacteria did not. 1606 01:26:13,233 --> 01:26:16,834 Gordon did a similar study of twins in the United States, 1607 01:26:16,867 --> 01:26:19,567 this time looking at obesity. 1608 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,100 In cases where one twin was obese and the other wasn't, 1609 01:26:23,133 --> 01:26:24,934 it again turned out that they had 1610 01:26:24,967 --> 01:26:28,600 different kinds of gut bacteria, which suggests 1611 01:26:28,633 --> 01:26:32,200 that certain microbes may contribute to obesity. 1612 01:26:33,667 --> 01:26:37,233 [Gordon] If we think about our microbes as a garden, 1613 01:26:37,266 --> 01:26:39,834 how can we grow this garden? 1614 01:26:39,867 --> 01:26:42,834 How can we cultivate it to ensure our health? 1615 01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:46,867 [Michael] In places like Bangladesh, 1616 01:26:46,900 --> 01:26:50,567 Gordon is investigating whether traditional diets may do that 1617 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:55,567 by encouraging the growth of a wide variety of intestinal microbes. 1618 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,934 [Gordon] One fascinating finding that we have made is 1619 01:26:58,967 --> 01:27:02,533 Westernization is associated with a reduction 1620 01:27:02,567 --> 01:27:06,500 in the diversity or richness of microbial life in the gut. 1621 01:27:06,533 --> 01:27:09,900 And diets that increase richness 1622 01:27:09,934 --> 01:27:12,066 are probably going to be beneficial. 1623 01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:16,734 [Michael] Researcher Jeff Leach 1624 01:27:16,767 --> 01:27:19,934 thinks the Hadza in Tanzania can also tell us 1625 01:27:19,967 --> 01:27:22,900 a lot about how to cultivate our microbiome. 1626 01:27:25,266 --> 01:27:28,233 [speaking in foreign language] 1627 01:27:28,266 --> 01:27:30,500 One of the holy grails in microbiome research 1628 01:27:30,533 --> 01:27:35,333 is trying to figure out what is an optimal or balanced microbiome. 1629 01:27:35,367 --> 01:27:39,500 [Michael] The Hadza's gut microbes feed mainly on wild foods, 1630 01:27:39,533 --> 01:27:44,533 like the kind our ancestors ate for tens of thousands of years. 1631 01:27:44,567 --> 01:27:47,667 We think that the Hadza contain, in their stomach, 1632 01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:50,934 a microbial Noah's Ark to what ails the world. 1633 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,500 [speaking in foreign language] 1634 01:27:53,533 --> 01:27:55,367 [Michael] To learn more about these microbes, 1635 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,433 Leach is collecting stool samples 1636 01:27:57,467 --> 01:28:01,900 from some 500 Hadza... men, women and children. 1637 01:28:01,934 --> 01:28:04,200 [Jeff] We provide the individuals in the village 1638 01:28:04,233 --> 01:28:06,633 little tubes and a swab. 1639 01:28:06,667 --> 01:28:08,533 -[Jeff] Samples for Bahti? -[man] Bahti. 1640 01:28:08,567 --> 01:28:12,266 [Michael] The samples are shipped to the labs of Leach's U.S. colleagues, 1641 01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:16,367 who can precisely identify the microbes they contain. 1642 01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,333 [Jeff] At the end of the day, what we hope to find 1643 01:28:18,367 --> 01:28:21,734 is are there certain diets that drive certain groups of bacteria? 1644 01:28:21,767 --> 01:28:24,200 And what does that tell us about the health of the person? 1645 01:28:26,834 --> 01:28:30,166 [Michael] Studies suggest that the Hadza have different kinds of microbes 1646 01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,133 than people in Western countries. 1647 01:28:33,166 --> 01:28:36,333 And this may partly stem from the high levels of fiber they get 1648 01:28:36,367 --> 01:28:37,834 from all the plants they eat. 1649 01:28:39,867 --> 01:28:41,900 [Jeff] I think the Hadza are gonna teach us that 1650 01:28:41,934 --> 01:28:44,800 plants should be the primary source of calories in the diet 1651 01:28:44,834 --> 01:28:47,967 and that those plants should also contain lots of dietary fiber. 1652 01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:53,433 I think one of the most interesting things that Jeff Leach is up to is 1653 01:28:53,467 --> 01:28:55,467 looking for that baseline 1654 01:28:55,500 --> 01:28:58,667 of what the human microbiome looked like 1655 01:28:58,700 --> 01:29:00,200 before the rise of agriculture 1656 01:29:00,233 --> 01:29:02,400 and then before the rise of processed food. 1657 01:29:03,233 --> 01:29:05,867 [speaking in foreign language] 1658 01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:08,700 We don't know how these changes in our diet 1659 01:29:08,734 --> 01:29:11,300 may have affected the microbes inside us. 1660 01:29:11,333 --> 01:29:13,867 [speaking in foreign language] 1661 01:29:13,900 --> 01:29:17,367 The microbes may provide a very important missing link 1662 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,266 between food and health. 1663 01:29:20,667 --> 01:29:22,867 We need to take them into consideration 1664 01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:24,367 when we're deciding what to eat. 1665 01:29:26,333 --> 01:29:30,533 So there are many good reasons to eat mostly plants. 1666 01:29:30,567 --> 01:29:32,767 There's plenty of evidence to suggest 1667 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,567 that eating a variety of vegetables and fruits 1668 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,934 can probably reduce rates of stroke, 1669 01:29:37,967 --> 01:29:41,200 heart disease, and some cancers. 1670 01:29:41,233 --> 01:29:44,166 They're nutritious and have lots of fiber. 1671 01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,767 They're good for the microbes in your gut. 1672 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,734 And if you're eating mostly plants, 1673 01:29:48,767 --> 01:29:52,266 you can be sure you're not eating too much meat. 1674 01:29:53,667 --> 01:29:58,233 So, treat meat as a flavoring or special occasion food. 1675 01:30:00,066 --> 01:30:02,700 If it came from a plant, eat it. 1676 01:30:03,667 --> 01:30:06,100 If it was made in a plant, don't. 1677 01:30:07,333 --> 01:30:08,734 Eat your colors. 1678 01:30:08,767 --> 01:30:11,967 That is, eat as many different kinds of plants as possible. 1679 01:30:14,567 --> 01:30:17,467 And now the last and most challenging 1680 01:30:17,500 --> 01:30:19,133 of my seven words... 1681 01:30:20,333 --> 01:30:21,367 not too much. 1682 01:30:23,533 --> 01:30:26,834 In a country where two-thirds of us are overweight, 1683 01:30:26,867 --> 01:30:28,967 this may seem obvious. 1684 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,533 But it can be tough not to eat too much. 1685 01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:34,700 One big reason is that 1686 01:30:34,734 --> 01:30:37,533 we're constantly being tempted by food. 1687 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,800 [woman] People are eating more food more often 1688 01:30:40,834 --> 01:30:42,166 and in greater portions. 1689 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,133 Food is everywhere. 1690 01:30:45,834 --> 01:30:48,166 You used to be asked to leave food outside 1691 01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,667 if you came into a clothing store. 1692 01:30:50,700 --> 01:30:52,367 Now they give you snacks. 1693 01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,100 [Michael] The wonderful human institution of the meal, 1694 01:30:57,133 --> 01:30:59,867 this time where people stop what they're doing, 1695 01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:01,734 sit down at the table, 1696 01:31:01,767 --> 01:31:04,734 eat socially, is in trouble. 1697 01:31:05,567 --> 01:31:07,166 We eat at our desks. 1698 01:31:08,266 --> 01:31:10,133 We eat while we're driving. 1699 01:31:10,166 --> 01:31:12,133 We eat while we're walking down the street. 1700 01:31:13,633 --> 01:31:15,934 There were social taboos on all these activities 1701 01:31:15,967 --> 01:31:18,066 once upon a time and they're all gone. 1702 01:31:18,066 --> 01:31:19,600 [indistinct chatter] 1703 01:31:19,633 --> 01:31:24,300 [woman] We can see, if we look at data on the number of calories 1704 01:31:24,333 --> 01:31:25,867 that people are eating, 1705 01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:27,433 people are eating much more now 1706 01:31:27,467 --> 01:31:30,367 than they did 25 or 30 years ago. 1707 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,367 And those kinds of trends are going to take a lot more 1708 01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,200 than removing a gram or two of sugar or salt 1709 01:31:37,233 --> 01:31:39,767 from a food product to make any difference. 1710 01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,533 [Michael] And that's why we need to talk, 1711 01:31:43,567 --> 01:31:47,667 not just about nutrients or even just about food, 1712 01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:49,433 but about how much we eat. 1713 01:31:50,834 --> 01:31:53,066 [woman] Thanks for coming for lunch today. 1714 01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:55,433 Like I promised, there's a free lunch. 1715 01:31:55,467 --> 01:31:57,367 Okay, so let's go on, and let's get started. 1716 01:31:58,300 --> 01:32:00,100 One thing that I've learned, 1717 01:32:00,133 --> 01:32:02,200 having done hundreds and hundreds of studies 1718 01:32:02,233 --> 01:32:06,066 related to eating behavior, is that, to a person, 1719 01:32:06,066 --> 01:32:10,800 we believe we are master and commander of all of our food decisions. 1720 01:32:11,433 --> 01:32:12,600 But we're not. 1721 01:32:14,066 --> 01:32:17,367 We make over 200 decisions about food a day. 1722 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,867 And the majority of these decisions 1723 01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:23,133 are basically unconscious to us. 1724 01:32:23,166 --> 01:32:26,900 So, um, grab a plate up there. The pasta is right on the stove. 1725 01:32:26,934 --> 01:32:28,667 Serve yourself up. 1726 01:32:28,700 --> 01:32:32,200 [Michael] Brian Wansink is an expert on eating behavior. 1727 01:32:32,233 --> 01:32:36,967 He's discovered we're often not aware of why we eat as much as we do. 1728 01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:39,734 Sometimes, it's because of something 1729 01:32:39,767 --> 01:32:42,166 we don't give the slightest thought to, 1730 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,567 like the size of our plate. 1731 01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,633 We'll bring people in, and we'll give them a large plate 1732 01:32:46,667 --> 01:32:48,100 to serve themselves, 1733 01:32:48,133 --> 01:32:51,133 but what they don't realize is that the pasta is cold. 1734 01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:54,433 [Michael] Wansink concocts an excuse 1735 01:32:54,467 --> 01:32:58,500 so that everyone has to get a different plate, which is slightly smaller. 1736 01:32:58,533 --> 01:33:00,633 These things weren't the right temperature. 1737 01:33:00,667 --> 01:33:01,900 So I'd like you to come back 1738 01:33:01,934 --> 01:33:04,800 and just grab another plate out of the cupboard, there. 1739 01:33:07,467 --> 01:33:09,433 One of the things we find is that 1740 01:33:09,467 --> 01:33:11,233 they'll serve themselves a second time... 1741 01:33:12,333 --> 01:33:14,433 they won't believe they served 1742 01:33:14,467 --> 01:33:17,800 an amount any different than they did the first time. 1743 01:33:17,834 --> 01:33:19,300 Did you guys notice anything any different 1744 01:33:19,333 --> 01:33:21,633 between the first time you served yourself 1745 01:33:21,667 --> 01:33:23,633 and the second time you served yourself? 1746 01:33:23,667 --> 01:33:25,834 The plate feels a lot smaller. It looks smaller. 1747 01:33:25,867 --> 01:33:26,934 Oh! 1748 01:33:26,967 --> 01:33:29,600 So here's one thing we found... the size of a plate 1749 01:33:29,633 --> 01:33:33,734 tremendously biases us, in terms of how much we serve. 1750 01:33:33,767 --> 01:33:37,266 [Michael] The smaller the plate, the less food people take. 1751 01:33:37,300 --> 01:33:39,834 You serve four ounces on a nine-inch plate, you go, 1752 01:33:39,867 --> 01:33:42,266 "Holy cow, I'll never be able to eat that." 1753 01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:44,100 So let's take a look at what happened to you guys. 1754 01:33:44,133 --> 01:33:47,633 So the big plate... 207 calories. 1755 01:33:47,667 --> 01:33:51,166 The smaller plate, it dropped down to a 162 calories. 1756 01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,400 Whoa. 1757 01:33:52,433 --> 01:33:54,767 That's about 40 calories. 1758 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,700 If this happened three times a day 1759 01:33:56,734 --> 01:33:59,567 over the course of a year, by using a smaller plate, 1760 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,233 you'd end up weighing nine pounds less 1761 01:34:02,266 --> 01:34:04,667 than you would if you had a bigger plate. 1762 01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:09,467 Just really, really small things make this really huge difference. 1763 01:34:09,500 --> 01:34:13,367 When it comes down to it, the changes we can make most immediately 1764 01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,633 are the changes we can make when we go home tonight. 1765 01:34:15,667 --> 01:34:19,066 They're the changes we can make in our kitchen or in our own house, 1766 01:34:19,066 --> 01:34:21,467 like simply using smaller plates. 1767 01:34:24,266 --> 01:34:26,500 Use smaller plates and glasses. 1768 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,533 Serve the vegetables first. 1769 01:34:34,433 --> 01:34:37,066 [Michael] Wansink has also found that the order 1770 01:34:37,066 --> 01:34:40,400 in which we encounter foods influences not just 1771 01:34:40,433 --> 01:34:44,200 how much we eat, but what we eat. 1772 01:34:44,233 --> 01:34:46,633 He's now working with schools around the country, 1773 01:34:46,667 --> 01:34:48,633 to re-design lunch lines 1774 01:34:48,667 --> 01:34:52,066 so that kids will choose healthier food. 1775 01:34:52,066 --> 01:34:55,800 This is about the most difficult place in the world to get people to eat better. 1776 01:34:55,834 --> 01:34:58,533 It's a middle school and a high school cafeteria. 1777 01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:00,934 Here's how we do it. 1778 01:35:00,967 --> 01:35:05,533 We re-organize the line... put the healthiest food first. 1779 01:35:05,567 --> 01:35:08,300 We find people are 11 percent more likely 1780 01:35:08,333 --> 01:35:10,800 to take the first thing they see than the third thing. 1781 01:35:10,834 --> 01:35:13,700 So let's load it up with the healthy vegetables. 1782 01:35:13,734 --> 01:35:16,166 After that, we've got the low fat hamburgers, 1783 01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,233 whole grain buns here, bean quesadillas. 1784 01:35:19,266 --> 01:35:21,433 It's only then do they hit the really indulgent stuff. 1785 01:35:21,467 --> 01:35:22,934 But, you know, hey, it's too late. 1786 01:35:22,967 --> 01:35:25,367 Their plates are already full with the good stuff. 1787 01:35:27,066 --> 01:35:29,834 You know that it's working by the fact that, 1788 01:35:29,867 --> 01:35:33,066 we used to only do 25 pounds of carrots a week 1789 01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:36,567 for all three buildings, and now we go anywhere 1790 01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,333 from 70 to 75 pounds of carrots a week. 1791 01:35:40,433 --> 01:35:43,066 And they don't even realize it, a lot of them, that, 1792 01:35:43,066 --> 01:35:45,800 "Wow, we're eating better." It's just happening. 1793 01:35:46,867 --> 01:35:48,967 The other thing we do, we take the fruit 1794 01:35:49,066 --> 01:35:51,600 and we put it right next to the cash register. 1795 01:35:51,633 --> 01:35:56,066 What we find is that fruit sales go up 103 percent 1796 01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,367 simply by putting the fruit in a nice basket 1797 01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,367 and putting it next to the cash register. 1798 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:01,934 And the exact same thing that works 1799 01:36:01,967 --> 01:36:04,200 for selling Twinkies in a convenience store 1800 01:36:04,233 --> 01:36:06,567 works for getting people to eat healthier 1801 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,166 in high schools and junior highs. 1802 01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:11,767 [Michael] And it's not just kids who are influenced 1803 01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,667 by where and when they see food. 1804 01:36:14,700 --> 01:36:17,467 The order of items at a breakfast buffet 1805 01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:19,633 had a similar effect on adults. 1806 01:36:19,667 --> 01:36:22,900 We found that the first three things they saw 1807 01:36:22,934 --> 01:36:26,333 comprised 66% of everything they took. 1808 01:36:26,367 --> 01:36:29,200 So, in one case, they saw cheesy eggs first, 1809 01:36:29,233 --> 01:36:31,834 they saw bacon, they saw fried potatoes. 1810 01:36:31,867 --> 01:36:33,300 Two-thirds of their plate... 1811 01:36:33,333 --> 01:36:37,467 cheesy eggs, bacon, fried potatoes. 1812 01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:42,333 If instead they saw fruit first, and low-fat granola, low-fat yogurt, 1813 01:36:42,367 --> 01:36:46,700 they'd end up taking two-thirds of their plate from those items. 1814 01:36:46,734 --> 01:36:50,533 It's incredible the impact the order of food has 1815 01:36:50,567 --> 01:36:52,600 on whether we take it or not. 1816 01:36:53,867 --> 01:36:56,166 All these little environmental cues 1817 01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,166 are very important in our appetite. 1818 01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,066 We think of appetite as this biological absolute... 1819 01:37:02,066 --> 01:37:03,433 "This is how hungry I am." 1820 01:37:03,467 --> 01:37:06,200 But, in fact, it, like so many other things, is constructed. 1821 01:37:06,233 --> 01:37:09,133 It's socially constructed, environmentally constructed 1822 01:37:09,166 --> 01:37:12,133 and influenced by all these little, little things. 1823 01:37:13,967 --> 01:37:18,266 So I see great potential to harness that kind of thinking 1824 01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:21,800 and those kind of insights to redesign the buffet line, 1825 01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,166 to redesign the plate, 1826 01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,500 to redesign the food environment in which we live. 1827 01:37:27,533 --> 01:37:29,066 [boy] Thank you. Have a good day. 1828 01:37:37,433 --> 01:37:39,233 It's very interesting how we'll put up 1829 01:37:39,266 --> 01:37:43,066 with social engineering from corporations endlessly. 1830 01:37:44,367 --> 01:37:45,867 When they come up with the Big Gulp 1831 01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:47,533 they are social engineering, right? 1832 01:37:47,567 --> 01:37:50,133 They're getting us to drink more than we would otherwise. 1833 01:37:51,533 --> 01:37:54,400 When they manipulate the salt, fat, and sugar. 1834 01:37:54,433 --> 01:37:58,300 All that is social engineering, too, and we don't resent it. 1835 01:37:58,333 --> 01:38:01,266 Yet, as soon as it's being done on our behalf... 1836 01:38:01,300 --> 01:38:04,333 an elected official doing it on our behalf... 1837 01:38:04,367 --> 01:38:06,967 this is too much. This is social engineering. 1838 01:38:07,066 --> 01:38:09,300 This is socialist. We can't. We can't go there. 1839 01:38:09,333 --> 01:38:12,066 So it seems to me we have a double standard. 1840 01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:16,467 [woman] The government is already involved in food choice up to its ears. 1841 01:38:18,367 --> 01:38:22,500 Government policy has determined the kind of food system that we have. 1842 01:38:22,533 --> 01:38:27,133 It determines what food products get supported 1843 01:38:27,166 --> 01:38:28,633 and which ones don't. 1844 01:38:30,333 --> 01:38:32,266 So what those of us who are advocating 1845 01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:34,433 for a healthier food system are after 1846 01:38:34,467 --> 01:38:38,100 is not getting the government involved in food policy. 1847 01:38:38,133 --> 01:38:39,400 It already is. 1848 01:38:39,433 --> 01:38:42,567 We just want it tweaked so that the government role 1849 01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,233 in food policy is to produce 1850 01:38:44,266 --> 01:38:46,233 a food system that promotes health... 1851 01:38:46,266 --> 01:38:49,100 healthier people and a healthier environment. 1852 01:38:49,133 --> 01:38:54,667 This is the amount of sugar that you or your child eat 1853 01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:58,066 when you drink one can of soda a day for a year. 1854 01:38:58,066 --> 01:39:00,066 I'm gonna put this down in front. 1855 01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:01,834 [cheers and applause] 1856 01:39:01,867 --> 01:39:06,133 [Michael] In 2012, Richmond, California councilman Jeffrey Ritterman 1857 01:39:06,166 --> 01:39:09,066 proposed that the city collect a penny-per-ounce tax 1858 01:39:09,066 --> 01:39:11,133 on sugary beverages. 1859 01:39:11,166 --> 01:39:13,367 He hoped the tax would discourage people 1860 01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,200 from consuming so much sugar. 1861 01:39:15,233 --> 01:39:18,633 [woman] Please be respectful while we're discussing this. Thank you. 1862 01:39:18,667 --> 01:39:20,800 [Michael] Ritterman is also a cardiologist. 1863 01:39:20,834 --> 01:39:23,533 Unequivocally, medically, right now 1864 01:39:23,567 --> 01:39:27,433 it is proven that one can of soda a day 1865 01:39:27,467 --> 01:39:30,367 increases your risk of type-2 diabetes. 1866 01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,166 It causes heart attacks, 1867 01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,834 and it causes obesity and it makes some cancers grow. 1868 01:39:37,433 --> 01:39:41,066 [Michael] The tax proponents raised close to $70,000. 1869 01:39:42,567 --> 01:39:45,800 But in this city of about 100,000 people, 1870 01:39:45,834 --> 01:39:51,500 the soda industry spent nearly 2.5 million dollars to defeat the tax. 1871 01:39:51,533 --> 01:39:56,066 I was calling on behalf of the community coalition against beverage taxes. 1872 01:39:56,066 --> 01:40:00,400 [woman] They established an ostensible grass roots organization 1873 01:40:00,433 --> 01:40:02,600 to fight the soda tax. 1874 01:40:03,533 --> 01:40:05,633 They went into minority neighborhoods 1875 01:40:05,667 --> 01:40:08,033 and put up big posters saying 1876 01:40:08,066 --> 01:40:10,967 your rights are being taken away from you. 1877 01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,734 When we get to the point of being a dictator to people, 1878 01:40:14,767 --> 01:40:16,233 I think it's wrong. 1879 01:40:16,900 --> 01:40:18,433 [man] Measure N is losing. 1880 01:40:19,900 --> 01:40:23,100 We can now confirm that it has gone down to defeat. 1881 01:40:24,367 --> 01:40:27,400 [Michael] In the end, Richmond voters rejected the tax 1882 01:40:27,433 --> 01:40:29,667 by a margin of nearly two to one. 1883 01:40:31,734 --> 01:40:32,967 Across the country, 1884 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,266 New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg 1885 01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:37,367 came up with a different strategy 1886 01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,533 to cut down on people's intake of sugar. 1887 01:40:40,567 --> 01:40:44,166 He proposed a regulation to limit the serving size 1888 01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,667 of sugar-sweetened beverages to 16 ounces. 1889 01:40:47,700 --> 01:40:49,667 There's an epidemic in this country 1890 01:40:49,700 --> 01:40:53,133 of people being overweight, bordering on obesity. 1891 01:40:53,166 --> 01:40:56,900 The percentage of the population that's obese is skyrocketing. 1892 01:40:56,934 --> 01:40:59,033 We've got to do something about it. 1893 01:40:59,066 --> 01:41:00,567 [man] So this is the proposal. 1894 01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,867 The maximum size that a food service establishment 1895 01:41:03,900 --> 01:41:06,533 could sell of a sugary drink is 16 ounces. 1896 01:41:08,066 --> 01:41:10,567 If you go into a fast-food restaurant in New York City, 1897 01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:12,767 you can find an awful lot of things like this. 1898 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,934 This is a 64-ounce container. 1899 01:41:15,967 --> 01:41:17,633 That's a half a gallon, by the way. 1900 01:41:17,667 --> 01:41:19,266 It contains about 800 calories 1901 01:41:19,300 --> 01:41:21,300 or more than 50 packets of sugar. 1902 01:41:21,333 --> 01:41:23,100 To give you an idea of what we're talking about, 1903 01:41:23,133 --> 01:41:25,867 this is how much sugar is in there. 1904 01:41:25,900 --> 01:41:28,967 [woman] We know from research that people eat what's in front of them. 1905 01:41:29,066 --> 01:41:32,100 If you give somebody a 16-ounce soda, 1906 01:41:32,133 --> 01:41:35,200 that person will drink 16 ounces. 1907 01:41:36,300 --> 01:41:39,066 If you give that same person 32 ounces, 1908 01:41:39,066 --> 01:41:41,433 that same person will drink 32 ounces 1909 01:41:41,467 --> 01:41:44,133 and have twice as many calories. 1910 01:41:44,166 --> 01:41:47,967 [Michael] The beverage industry filed suit to stop Bloomberg's rule 1911 01:41:48,066 --> 01:41:51,433 and launched a slick campaign to turn the public against it. 1912 01:41:52,433 --> 01:41:54,433 [man] New Yorkers don't want the mayor 1913 01:41:54,467 --> 01:41:56,600 to tell them what size beverage to buy. 1914 01:41:56,633 --> 01:42:00,266 I'm an adult and I can make my own decisions about what I drink. 1915 01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:03,467 [man] Hey, New York, it's time to take a stand. 1916 01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:05,333 Join us. 1917 01:42:05,367 --> 01:42:07,266 [Michael] In March 2013, 1918 01:42:07,300 --> 01:42:09,633 a judge ruled in favor of the industry 1919 01:42:09,667 --> 01:42:12,066 and threw out Bloomberg's rule 1920 01:42:12,066 --> 01:42:15,333 calling the limit "arbitrary and capricious." 1921 01:42:15,367 --> 01:42:18,133 Being the first to do something is never easy. 1922 01:42:18,166 --> 01:42:21,266 When we began this process, we knew we would face lawsuits. 1923 01:42:21,300 --> 01:42:24,133 Anytime you adopt a groundbreaking policy, 1924 01:42:24,166 --> 01:42:25,767 special interests will sue. 1925 01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:27,066 That's America. 1926 01:42:27,967 --> 01:42:32,066 [dramatic '70s music playing] 1927 01:42:33,867 --> 01:42:36,133 [man] Come to where the flavor is... 1928 01:42:36,166 --> 01:42:38,734 Come to Marlboro country. 1929 01:42:38,767 --> 01:42:42,166 [Michael] Personal freedom also used to be one of the tobacco industry's 1930 01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,734 favorite arguments against government regulation. 1931 01:42:45,767 --> 01:42:48,533 But the evidence of harm became so overwhelming 1932 01:42:48,567 --> 01:42:51,934 that the government finally had to act. 1933 01:42:51,967 --> 01:42:55,734 [man] For many years, there was very firmly established science 1934 01:42:55,767 --> 01:42:58,867 that smoking cigarettes was killing people. 1935 01:42:58,900 --> 01:43:02,233 But it took a long time for government to react. 1936 01:43:02,266 --> 01:43:04,633 Once it did, though, it did things 1937 01:43:04,667 --> 01:43:07,500 that were considered inconceivable at one time. 1938 01:43:07,533 --> 01:43:09,500 Standing up to the tobacco companies? 1939 01:43:09,533 --> 01:43:13,700 ♪ Breathe easy, smoke clean ♪ 1940 01:43:13,734 --> 01:43:16,367 [Michael] In 1970, 37 percent 1941 01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:18,533 of American adults smoked cigarettes. 1942 01:43:18,567 --> 01:43:20,667 [record scratches] 1943 01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:24,834 The U.S. Government banned cigarette advertising on television that year, 1944 01:43:24,867 --> 01:43:27,400 and cigarette taxes began to rise. 1945 01:43:28,767 --> 01:43:31,800 Since then, the percentage of adults who smoke 1946 01:43:31,834 --> 01:43:33,900 has been cut in half. 1947 01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:37,166 So I don't think it can be very far off 1948 01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,166 where we ask government to do with food 1949 01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:40,567 what it's done with tobacco. 1950 01:43:41,567 --> 01:43:45,166 And in 2014, people in Berkeley, California 1951 01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:49,533 did just that... passing the first soda tax in the nation's history. 1952 01:43:49,567 --> 01:43:51,266 We got the measure passed. Whoo! 1953 01:43:51,300 --> 01:43:53,367 [applause] 1954 01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:58,433 This time, tax proponents successfully countered industry spending, 1955 01:43:58,467 --> 01:44:00,934 thanks partly to former mayor Bloomberg. 1956 01:44:00,967 --> 01:44:02,567 [Bloomberg] If we're going to start reversing 1957 01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:06,233 the epidemic of childhood obesity, it starts November fourth. 1958 01:44:06,266 --> 01:44:10,967 [Michael] He spent a reported $650,000 in support of the measure. 1959 01:44:14,433 --> 01:44:15,900 [Michael] I think it's a big deal 1960 01:44:15,934 --> 01:44:18,133 because we are gonna test this idea 1961 01:44:18,166 --> 01:44:20,266 that by adjusting the price of soda, 1962 01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:22,433 you can reduce the consumption of it. 1963 01:44:24,066 --> 01:44:25,900 It's already working in Mexico, 1964 01:44:25,934 --> 01:44:29,600 where a national soda tax took effect in 2014. 1965 01:44:30,734 --> 01:44:33,100 Since then, Mexicans have been drinking 1966 01:44:33,133 --> 01:44:35,233 significantly less soda, 1967 01:44:35,266 --> 01:44:37,934 suggesting that the amount we eat or drink 1968 01:44:37,967 --> 01:44:40,333 is more than just a matter of willpower. 1969 01:44:42,266 --> 01:44:45,333 Now we'll see whether a tax can have a similar impact 1970 01:44:45,367 --> 01:44:47,500 when we try it in just in one city. 1971 01:44:48,867 --> 01:44:51,233 And if we discover that that works, 1972 01:44:51,266 --> 01:44:55,100 and, in turn, we find rates of obesity 1973 01:44:55,133 --> 01:44:58,066 and type-2 diabetes moderating or declining, 1974 01:44:58,100 --> 01:45:00,900 we will have discovered a very powerful tool. 1975 01:45:00,934 --> 01:45:03,467 It may or may not work, but I'm delighted 1976 01:45:03,500 --> 01:45:05,333 that finally we're gonna get to try this. 1977 01:45:07,433 --> 01:45:09,867 Make water your beverage of choice. 1978 01:45:11,233 --> 01:45:13,500 Stop eating before you're full. 1979 01:45:15,734 --> 01:45:18,567 And eat more like the French do. 1980 01:45:21,333 --> 01:45:24,367 Eat more like the French do? 1981 01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,800 Aren't they known for their love of rich food? 1982 01:45:28,266 --> 01:45:31,166 Well, one of the remarkable things about the French 1983 01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,567 is that they actually enjoy better health 1984 01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,667 than people in many other Western countries. 1985 01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:40,100 It's a mystery known as the French paradox. 1986 01:45:41,367 --> 01:45:44,066 They eat very fatty foods very often. 1987 01:45:44,967 --> 01:45:48,133 They have lavish, lush desserts. 1988 01:45:49,700 --> 01:45:51,700 They drink lots of wine. 1989 01:45:52,834 --> 01:45:54,567 And it drives us crazy, 1990 01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:56,834 but they're not as fat as we are, 1991 01:45:57,934 --> 01:46:00,100 and they have less heart disease 1992 01:46:00,133 --> 01:46:01,734 and slightly better longevity. 1993 01:46:01,767 --> 01:46:05,734 How could this possibly be? They're breaking all our rules of eating. 1994 01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,934 [speaking in French] 1995 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,300 [woman] Claude Fischler is a French sociologist 1996 01:46:16,333 --> 01:46:18,333 who studies how people eat. 1997 01:46:19,166 --> 01:46:20,600 [speaking in French] 1998 01:46:26,300 --> 01:46:30,967 The French are very rigid when it comes to issues associated with eating. 1999 01:46:33,967 --> 01:46:38,900 They eat at exactly the same time in all regions. 2000 01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:44,166 Any given weekday at 12:30, 2001 01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:48,934 you can be sure that 50 percent of the French, they are busy eating. 2002 01:46:49,934 --> 01:46:53,567 Across the English Channel or in the U.S., 2003 01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,400 it's, more like 15 percent, 16 percent, 17 percent of people 2004 01:46:57,433 --> 01:46:58,967 that are eating at the same time. 2005 01:47:00,633 --> 01:47:04,567 [Michael] Fischler thinks this rigidity, or reliance on tradition, 2006 01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,467 actually makes life easier for the French. 2007 01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:10,600 It's not such a maddening individual obsession 2008 01:47:10,633 --> 01:47:12,700 about controlling yourself. 2009 01:47:12,734 --> 01:47:17,100 Because there's a lot that is controlled by the culture. 2010 01:47:17,133 --> 01:47:19,767 [Michael] The big difference between the French and the Americans 2011 01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:22,700 is that they serve less food. That's the big one. 2012 01:47:22,734 --> 01:47:26,066 They serve smaller portions. That's part of their tradition. 2013 01:47:26,066 --> 01:47:28,533 Another thing is they think of food 2014 01:47:28,567 --> 01:47:30,867 more as something you enjoy. 2015 01:47:34,166 --> 01:47:36,400 [speaking in French] 2016 01:47:43,633 --> 01:47:45,767 [man] The French view of health issues is... 2017 01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:48,834 [speaking in French] 2018 01:47:48,867 --> 01:47:52,100 If it tastes good, it's good for you. 2019 01:47:52,133 --> 01:47:53,767 [in French] 2020 01:47:58,900 --> 01:48:01,233 [Michael] The French, when they say they eat, 2021 01:48:01,266 --> 01:48:04,266 mean they have a meal together. 2022 01:48:04,300 --> 01:48:06,600 They wouldn't call eating a snack, eating. 2023 01:48:06,633 --> 01:48:09,567 The way they use their word eating is in an event. 2024 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:15,066 They have a world in which food is a celebration with others. 2025 01:48:15,066 --> 01:48:18,066 [Michael] Tonight's dinner is at the home of Fischler's friend, 2026 01:48:18,066 --> 01:48:20,066 Herve de Lannurien. 2027 01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:23,233 [speaking in French] 2028 01:48:29,133 --> 01:48:32,567 In keeping with tradition, the meal follows a script... 2029 01:48:33,333 --> 01:48:35,066 appetizers... 2030 01:48:35,066 --> 01:48:36,934 [Indistinct conversations] 2031 01:48:36,967 --> 01:48:38,400 a first course... 2032 01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,400 a main course... 2033 01:48:47,567 --> 01:48:49,367 a cheese course... 2034 01:48:50,266 --> 01:48:51,967 and salad. 2035 01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,867 Later, they had dessert. 2036 01:48:56,834 --> 01:48:59,500 In France, they eat slowly, 2037 01:48:59,533 --> 01:49:02,133 which is very interesting and significant. 2038 01:49:02,166 --> 01:49:05,567 One of the most striking things about the American way of eating 2039 01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,900 is we are some of the fastest eaters on the planet. 2040 01:49:08,934 --> 01:49:13,800 [man] It's about 135 minutes a day in France spent eating, 2041 01:49:13,834 --> 01:49:18,767 compared to something like 74, I think, uh, for the U.S. 2042 01:49:20,266 --> 01:49:23,767 So they're used to eating smaller portions, 2043 01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:27,166 but they're used to taking longer to eat them. 2044 01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:31,100 So the pleasure of eating comes from the good food in your mouth. 2045 01:49:31,133 --> 01:49:33,133 [indistinct chatter] 2046 01:49:33,166 --> 01:49:35,500 So the French paradox may have nothing to do 2047 01:49:35,533 --> 01:49:37,800 with the miracle of nutrient in the red wine, 2048 01:49:37,834 --> 01:49:39,967 which some people thought, 2049 01:49:40,066 --> 01:49:42,066 but it may have everything to do with habit. 2050 01:49:44,467 --> 01:49:47,233 As powerful and wonderful as science is, 2051 01:49:47,266 --> 01:49:50,867 culture also can teach us how to eat. 2052 01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:55,934 And, so far, until science makes the breakthroughs it needs to make, 2053 01:49:55,967 --> 01:49:58,200 culture is the best guide we have. 2054 01:50:00,233 --> 01:50:03,200 Try spend as much time enjoying the meal 2055 01:50:03,233 --> 01:50:04,800 as it took to prepare it. 2056 01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:11,000 Don't eat anything your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize as food. 2057 01:50:12,700 --> 01:50:16,667 Last rule, break the rules once in a while. 2058 01:50:16,700 --> 01:50:19,900 Cultivating a relaxed, non-punitive attitude 2059 01:50:19,934 --> 01:50:22,133 toward food is essential. 2060 01:50:22,166 --> 01:50:25,433 Being anxious about your eating cannot be good for your health. 2061 01:50:25,467 --> 01:50:27,533 What matters is not the special occasion 2062 01:50:27,567 --> 01:50:30,467 but the everyday, default practice. 2063 01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:34,300 So I stand with Oscar Wilde, actually, who said it best. 2064 01:50:34,333 --> 01:50:36,934 He said, "All things in moderation... 2065 01:50:37,867 --> 01:50:39,066 including moderation." 2066 01:50:39,934 --> 01:50:41,266 Thank you very much. 2067 01:50:41,300 --> 01:50:45,166 [cheers and applause] 2068 01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:46,767 Tomatoes, assorted. 2069 01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,834 -Do you want a strawberry to go? -Thank you. 2070 01:50:48,867 --> 01:50:50,166 There are many aspects of our lives 2071 01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,200 where we feel like we have very little power. 2072 01:50:53,233 --> 01:50:56,533 But when it comes to food, we do have power. 2073 01:50:57,333 --> 01:50:59,567 The rise of farmer's markets, 2074 01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,100 the rise of organic agriculture, 2075 01:51:02,133 --> 01:51:04,300 the rise of the food movement... 2076 01:51:04,333 --> 01:51:08,166 none of this was the result of government action. 2077 01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,700 All of this was the result of consumers 2078 01:51:10,734 --> 01:51:12,467 voting with their forks, 2079 01:51:12,500 --> 01:51:14,467 signaling to farmers and the food industry 2080 01:51:14,500 --> 01:51:15,867 they wanted something different. 2081 01:51:16,834 --> 01:51:19,633 And this has created a multi-billion dollar 2082 01:51:19,667 --> 01:51:21,433 alternative food economy. 2083 01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:25,467 So we may be at a turning point. 2084 01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:30,633 [man] We are feeding people today in so many different ways. 2085 01:51:30,667 --> 01:51:35,500 [Michael] More and more people are making the connection between food and health. 2086 01:51:35,533 --> 01:51:37,667 [man] We have some young people who have been working 2087 01:51:37,700 --> 01:51:40,834 to combat type-2 diabetes directly 2088 01:51:40,867 --> 01:51:43,533 to actually end type-2 diabetes 2089 01:51:43,567 --> 01:51:46,066 in young people in the state of California. 2090 01:51:46,066 --> 01:51:47,300 And we need your help. 2091 01:51:49,633 --> 01:51:52,900 We need you actually eating good food. 2092 01:51:52,934 --> 01:51:55,734 We need you actually sharing that message. 2093 01:51:55,767 --> 01:51:58,200 [woman] When we talk about wanting to eat healthy, 2094 01:51:58,233 --> 01:52:00,133 we also have to think about the system 2095 01:52:00,166 --> 01:52:02,834 that is making us eat the wrong things. 2096 01:52:04,367 --> 01:52:07,567 [boy] I believe we can change the whole community. 2097 01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:12,400 Growing and knowing where your food comes from makes a difference. 2098 01:52:12,433 --> 01:52:15,533 I would love to see in the next five, ten years, 2099 01:52:15,567 --> 01:52:17,934 the South Bronx having more healthy alternatives... 2100 01:52:17,967 --> 01:52:20,433 actually where the healthy isn't an alternative. 2101 01:52:21,967 --> 01:52:25,400 The fast food is the alternative and this is the standard. 2102 01:52:26,734 --> 01:52:28,500 [sizzling] 2103 01:52:30,166 --> 01:52:31,934 [Michael] Back in Massachusetts, 2104 01:52:31,967 --> 01:52:35,800 the last year has also marked a turning point for Anthony Scavotto. 2105 01:52:36,967 --> 01:52:40,934 He's cut way down on junk food... especially sugar. 2106 01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:44,367 I think more about it 2107 01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:48,567 because I kind of know what it does to my body now. 2108 01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:50,834 I feel pretty good about the changes I've made. 2109 01:52:52,066 --> 01:52:54,266 I like fruits and vegetables. 2110 01:52:54,300 --> 01:52:59,066 I love cauliflower. I love, like, apples. 2111 01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:01,567 I like lemons. Is that weird? 2112 01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:02,600 I love lemons. 2113 01:53:04,066 --> 01:53:06,066 [Michael] Though Anthony has gained a few pounds, 2114 01:53:06,066 --> 01:53:08,633 he's also grown two inches taller, 2115 01:53:08,667 --> 01:53:11,066 so he's carrying less excess weight. 2116 01:53:11,500 --> 01:53:12,934 [man] Go! 2117 01:53:12,967 --> 01:53:15,300 [Anthony's mother] Anthony is doing great. 2118 01:53:15,900 --> 01:53:17,533 His energy level is up. 2119 01:53:19,567 --> 01:53:20,834 [Anthony] I love sports. 2120 01:53:22,066 --> 01:53:24,600 My goal's to stay the same weight... 2121 01:53:24,633 --> 01:53:26,233 There you go. 2122 01:53:26,266 --> 01:53:28,433 [Anthony] ...to be healthy. 2123 01:53:28,467 --> 01:53:31,066 -Blue goal. -I couldn't be prouder of him. 2124 01:53:31,066 --> 01:53:31,967 Nice job. 2125 01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,800 [Michael] You know, after talking to scores 2126 01:53:40,834 --> 01:53:44,133 of nutrition scientist, nutrition educators, 2127 01:53:44,166 --> 01:53:48,100 when I finally realized what they're really telling me is, 2128 01:53:48,133 --> 01:53:49,767 "Eat food." 2129 01:53:50,900 --> 01:53:53,233 It was just like a light had gone off. 2130 01:53:53,266 --> 01:53:55,300 It's like, "Could it really be that simple?" 2131 01:53:55,333 --> 01:53:56,767 And the more I thought about it, it was like, 2132 01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,066 "It is that simple." 2133 01:53:59,300 --> 01:54:02,066 Eat food, not too much, 2134 01:54:02,500 --> 01:54:04,934 mostly plants 2135 01:54:04,967 --> 01:54:09,066 is what our species has done for hundreds of thousands of years. 2136 01:54:11,300 --> 01:54:13,066 So, that advice, I think, 2137 01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:15,934 is about as universal as any advice you could offer. 2138 01:54:18,834 --> 01:54:20,900 It's very rare in our lives where the answer 2139 01:54:20,934 --> 01:54:22,800 to a complicated question is so simple, 2140 01:54:24,066 --> 01:54:26,233 but when it comes to eating, it is. 184713

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