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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,737 --> 00:00:10,411 ♪♪ 2 00:00:10,413 --> 00:00:13,415 amy: Evil dead lady likes this place. 3 00:00:13,417 --> 00:00:16,119 She crawls on the ceilings and on the walls. 4 00:00:16,121 --> 00:00:19,123 The ceiling fan just fell straight to the ground. 5 00:00:19,125 --> 00:00:20,825 Oh, wow. 6 00:00:20,827 --> 00:00:25,231 People have been pushed off of these stairs. 7 00:00:25,233 --> 00:00:28,935 I am very nervous about the stairs, just getting shoved. 8 00:00:31,007 --> 00:00:32,206 He ends up strangling her to death. 9 00:00:32,208 --> 00:00:34,643 All right, so this is a sadistic bastard. 10 00:00:34,645 --> 00:00:37,981 They like to have people kill themselves. 11 00:00:37,983 --> 00:00:39,015 I'm gonna... 12 00:00:39,017 --> 00:00:41,685 ♪♪ 13 00:00:41,687 --> 00:00:46,492 amy: This is not a great place for living people. 14 00:00:46,494 --> 00:00:48,895 I'm hearing the devil's triangle. 15 00:00:48,897 --> 00:00:51,198 My name is amy allan. 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,767 I see dead people. 17 00:00:52,769 --> 00:00:55,236 I think he might've been a stalker. 18 00:00:55,238 --> 00:00:59,409 I speak to dead people, and they speak to me. 19 00:00:59,411 --> 00:01:01,445 He will kill you. He has killed people. 20 00:01:01,447 --> 00:01:04,983 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 21 00:01:04,985 --> 00:01:08,354 They're being possessed. I rely on my partner. 22 00:01:08,356 --> 00:01:09,689 I'm steve di schiavi. 23 00:01:09,691 --> 00:01:11,792 I'm a retired new york city homicide detective. 24 00:01:11,794 --> 00:01:13,527 How many people died here over the years? 25 00:01:13,529 --> 00:01:17,299 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 26 00:01:17,301 --> 00:01:18,935 It's my job to reveal them. 27 00:01:18,937 --> 00:01:20,736 But steve and I never speak... 28 00:01:20,738 --> 00:01:22,840 We never communicate during an investigation. 29 00:01:22,842 --> 00:01:24,242 ...Until the very end. 30 00:01:24,244 --> 00:01:26,211 This sketch is like a nightmare. 31 00:01:26,213 --> 00:01:28,314 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 32 00:01:28,316 --> 00:01:30,784 I never thought that the biggest problem was me. 33 00:01:30,786 --> 00:01:32,519 ...Or time to get out. 34 00:01:32,521 --> 00:01:34,956 He could more than likely kill you. 35 00:01:34,958 --> 00:01:41,731 ♪♪ 36 00:01:41,733 --> 00:01:48,540 ♪♪ 37 00:01:48,542 --> 00:01:50,376 steve: So I'm up here in palatka, florida. 38 00:01:50,378 --> 00:01:52,445 It's about an hour south of jacksonville. 39 00:01:52,447 --> 00:01:54,581 I got a call from a newlywed named tiffany. 40 00:01:54,583 --> 00:01:58,286 Now, she told me she didn't just marry into a new family, 41 00:01:58,288 --> 00:01:59,989 but into a family business. 42 00:01:59,991 --> 00:02:02,191 Problem is, the second she started renovating 43 00:02:02,193 --> 00:02:04,327 their old bar, things went crazy. 44 00:02:04,329 --> 00:02:06,864 She says activity is dangerous, 45 00:02:06,866 --> 00:02:09,368 but shutting down the bar is really not an option. 46 00:02:09,370 --> 00:02:11,603 It's up to me and amy to figure this one out. 47 00:02:11,605 --> 00:02:17,044 ♪♪ 48 00:02:17,046 --> 00:02:22,485 ♪♪ 49 00:02:22,487 --> 00:02:24,520 amy: This is bad. 50 00:02:24,522 --> 00:02:26,323 There's some dead guy in here, and he's saying, 51 00:02:26,325 --> 00:02:28,760 "wait, wait, wait. I'm not ready for this." 52 00:02:28,762 --> 00:02:36,036 ♪♪ 53 00:02:36,038 --> 00:02:37,805 oh, god, ****. 54 00:02:37,807 --> 00:02:40,676 ♪♪ 55 00:02:40,678 --> 00:02:43,245 I am getting stabbed from behind. 56 00:02:43,247 --> 00:02:48,953 Oh lordy, lordy. Okay. Work through the **** pain. 57 00:02:48,955 --> 00:02:56,763 ♪♪ 58 00:02:56,765 --> 00:02:59,633 steve: So tiffany, when we spoke on the phone, 59 00:02:59,635 --> 00:03:01,769 it sounded like this place is nothing but mayhem. 60 00:03:01,771 --> 00:03:03,072 What the hell is going on? 61 00:03:03,074 --> 00:03:06,876 Steve, the paranormal activity has been so insane here. 62 00:03:06,878 --> 00:03:11,182 I'm truly concerned for the safety of our customers 63 00:03:11,184 --> 00:03:13,685 and for us. 64 00:03:13,687 --> 00:03:16,956 So tiffany, I understand this is a family-owned business. 65 00:03:16,958 --> 00:03:18,324 Tell me a little bit about that. 66 00:03:18,326 --> 00:03:23,198 It's been in my husband's family for 30 years. 67 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,505 That's my husband johnny, and this is his father, bob. 68 00:03:28,507 --> 00:03:30,841 Okay, now is bob still around? 69 00:03:30,843 --> 00:03:34,813 He is not. He passed away several years ago. 70 00:03:34,815 --> 00:03:36,248 You think johnny's father 71 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:38,418 could be causing any of the problems here? 72 00:03:38,420 --> 00:03:43,090 No. This business meant the world to johnny's dad. 73 00:03:43,092 --> 00:03:44,626 He would protect us. 74 00:03:44,628 --> 00:03:48,564 Okay. Give me an idea of what you guys are experiencing here. 75 00:03:48,566 --> 00:03:51,535 We feel like we're being watched. 76 00:03:51,537 --> 00:03:54,606 There's objects being thrown, 77 00:03:54,608 --> 00:03:59,178 and people are being physically attacked. 78 00:03:59,180 --> 00:04:04,585 My biggest fear is that someone be seriously injured, 79 00:04:04,587 --> 00:04:07,423 somebody could be killed. 80 00:04:07,425 --> 00:04:08,924 If things are really that bad, 81 00:04:08,926 --> 00:04:11,328 why not just move on to another location? 82 00:04:11,330 --> 00:04:14,565 Absolutely not. This is our life. 83 00:04:14,567 --> 00:04:18,804 This is a do or die situation. We have to make this work. 84 00:04:18,806 --> 00:04:23,811 ♪♪ 85 00:04:23,813 --> 00:04:27,115 amy: I'm seeing this evil-looking dead lady. 86 00:04:27,117 --> 00:04:30,986 She's very thin, petite. 87 00:04:30,988 --> 00:04:34,191 Her eyes are just filled with bugs. 88 00:04:34,193 --> 00:04:38,329 Her hair is really long and clumpy, 89 00:04:38,331 --> 00:04:42,369 and I think that people see her. She's trapped here. 90 00:04:42,371 --> 00:04:45,806 She crawls on the ceilings and on the walls. 91 00:04:45,808 --> 00:04:49,845 I know that she likes to watch people, 92 00:04:49,847 --> 00:04:51,748 especially from the ceiling. 93 00:04:54,119 --> 00:05:01,660 I think that they would feel the panic and fear. It's bad. 94 00:05:01,662 --> 00:05:09,670 ♪♪ 95 00:05:09,672 --> 00:05:12,408 steve: All right, so tiffany, what's happening up here? 96 00:05:12,410 --> 00:05:17,615 I've personally seen an apparition of a woman. 97 00:05:17,617 --> 00:05:18,783 Could it have been a patron? 98 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:20,552 Not at all. We weren't even open yet. 99 00:05:20,554 --> 00:05:22,487 Okay, so this is something that looks solid? 100 00:05:22,489 --> 00:05:26,794 Yes. She had on period-type clothing. 101 00:05:26,796 --> 00:05:28,729 What period are we talking about? 102 00:05:28,731 --> 00:05:30,365 I would say 1800s. 103 00:05:30,367 --> 00:05:34,470 The vibe I get is that this was hers maybe or... 104 00:05:34,472 --> 00:05:35,538 Like she belonged here? 105 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:37,140 Like she belonged here, correct. 106 00:05:37,142 --> 00:05:38,141 - Okay. - Yes. 107 00:05:38,143 --> 00:05:39,510 Anything else? 108 00:05:39,512 --> 00:05:45,652 This is insane, but I've seen this weird shadow figure 109 00:05:45,654 --> 00:05:50,090 looking thing walk down the sidewalk, 110 00:05:50,092 --> 00:05:53,328 and it was inhumanly tall, 111 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:55,665 and it walked right into the building. 112 00:05:55,667 --> 00:05:59,937 It just freaked me out. - Were you drinking? I mean, 113 00:05:59,939 --> 00:06:01,639 could it have been something that you were hallucinating? 114 00:06:01,641 --> 00:06:03,141 No. I was not drinking that night. 115 00:06:03,143 --> 00:06:05,010 I had band practice. I was working. 116 00:06:05,012 --> 00:06:09,015 All right, so you're seeing some weird stuff. Anything else? 117 00:06:09,017 --> 00:06:13,387 I get touched inappropriately up here, 118 00:06:13,389 --> 00:06:16,592 like something actually grabs my bottom. 119 00:06:16,594 --> 00:06:18,995 I turn around, and there's no one there. 120 00:06:18,997 --> 00:06:20,898 All right, so you're not happy with that, obviously? 121 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:22,500 - No. - Anything else like that? 122 00:06:22,502 --> 00:06:27,340 One of my biggest concerns is this staircase right here. 123 00:06:27,342 --> 00:06:32,212 People have been pushed off of these stairs. 124 00:06:32,214 --> 00:06:34,315 Anybody get really hurt? 125 00:06:34,317 --> 00:06:39,723 Yes. One woman was pretty sure her ribs were bruised. 126 00:06:39,725 --> 00:06:42,894 I'm no paranormal expert, but this is bad. 127 00:06:42,896 --> 00:06:45,696 You might've dodged a couple of bullets already. 128 00:06:45,698 --> 00:06:48,734 Somebody could have got paralyzed, killed. 129 00:06:48,736 --> 00:06:50,003 You could lose the whole bar. 130 00:06:50,005 --> 00:06:53,707 Absolutely. Steve, this is why we called you in. 131 00:06:53,709 --> 00:06:58,881 It's so crucial that this doesn't happen. 132 00:06:58,883 --> 00:07:02,185 Their safety is of utmost important to us. 133 00:07:02,187 --> 00:07:05,723 ♪♪ 134 00:07:05,725 --> 00:07:10,963 amy: I was seeing the evil lady with two kids, a boy and a girl. 135 00:07:10,965 --> 00:07:14,467 They look young to me, four, five, six, maybe. 136 00:07:14,469 --> 00:07:16,170 They are bad children. 137 00:07:16,172 --> 00:07:19,408 ♪♪ 138 00:07:19,410 --> 00:07:23,313 the kids like to create and cause accidents. 139 00:07:23,315 --> 00:07:27,619 I am very nervous about the stairs with them. 140 00:07:27,621 --> 00:07:31,691 They like to cause pain, fear, and touch people -- 141 00:07:31,693 --> 00:07:34,628 kind of inappropriate touching. 142 00:07:34,630 --> 00:07:38,399 They have mom issues and they go after females in particular. 143 00:07:38,401 --> 00:07:42,738 ♪♪ 144 00:07:42,740 --> 00:07:44,541 what do you got going on here? 145 00:07:44,543 --> 00:07:49,146 There's a very tall shelf, and there's mugs up on the shelf, 146 00:07:49,148 --> 00:07:53,353 and they will fly off and crash on the ground. 147 00:07:53,355 --> 00:07:56,757 Okay, not saying you have rats or any kind of varmints, 148 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:58,058 but is there a chance it could be 149 00:07:58,060 --> 00:07:59,494 some kind of animal that got up in there? 150 00:07:59,496 --> 00:08:00,962 There was no animal. 151 00:08:00,964 --> 00:08:04,767 Multiple people saw the glass fall. 152 00:08:04,769 --> 00:08:06,670 All right, so anything else? 153 00:08:06,672 --> 00:08:09,207 Feelings of being anxious. 154 00:08:09,209 --> 00:08:13,245 That sensation happens frequently in this area. 155 00:08:13,247 --> 00:08:15,114 You don't strike me as an anxious person. 156 00:08:15,116 --> 00:08:16,916 Not at all, but you can't help it 157 00:08:16,918 --> 00:08:20,655 when you feel like something's watching you. 158 00:08:20,657 --> 00:08:22,691 Okay, so anything else over here? 159 00:08:22,693 --> 00:08:26,429 Sometimes I wonder if I'm being followed home by something, 160 00:08:26,431 --> 00:08:30,868 because I do have things happen outside of the bar. 161 00:08:30,870 --> 00:08:32,837 So, what kind of experiences are we talking about? 162 00:08:32,839 --> 00:08:37,911 Just last night, something grabbed my foot then twisted. 163 00:08:37,913 --> 00:08:40,113 It's safe to say I didn't sleep. 164 00:08:40,115 --> 00:08:42,984 Not for nothing, you got a lot of crap going on here. 165 00:08:42,986 --> 00:08:45,287 Yes. My hope and my prayer is that 166 00:08:45,289 --> 00:08:47,757 we can save my husband's bar 167 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:51,395 and create a place that's safe and happy. 168 00:08:51,397 --> 00:08:54,900 ♪♪ 169 00:08:54,902 --> 00:08:59,072 amy: Yeah, this is not a great place for living people. 170 00:08:59,074 --> 00:09:01,275 Evil dead lady likes this place 171 00:09:01,277 --> 00:09:03,578 and also brings the children here. 172 00:09:03,580 --> 00:09:06,549 ♪♪ 173 00:09:06,551 --> 00:09:09,251 they're moving stuff, breaking ****, too. 174 00:09:09,253 --> 00:09:11,555 The kids are working people up. 175 00:09:11,557 --> 00:09:14,692 They're making them angry, and they're making them fight. 176 00:09:14,694 --> 00:09:18,430 I think that people would feel very manic in this area. 177 00:09:18,432 --> 00:09:21,401 These kids are jumping people. 178 00:09:23,806 --> 00:09:25,874 I think they can follow people home, 179 00:09:25,876 --> 00:09:29,545 and the dead lady will go with the children, 180 00:09:29,547 --> 00:09:31,714 and affect people at their homes. 181 00:09:31,716 --> 00:09:33,317 Matt: What do they do with them then? 182 00:09:33,319 --> 00:09:35,286 You know, if the kids are jumping, 183 00:09:35,288 --> 00:09:38,123 then it's kind of like an oppression or possession, 184 00:09:38,125 --> 00:09:40,993 which could then make people get sick, go crazy, 185 00:09:40,995 --> 00:09:42,863 possibly kill themselves. 186 00:09:42,865 --> 00:09:49,538 ♪♪ 187 00:09:55,648 --> 00:10:05,626 ♪♪ 188 00:10:05,628 --> 00:10:06,928 so johnny, I was talking to your wife, 189 00:10:06,930 --> 00:10:09,430 and obviously she called us in. - Right. 190 00:10:09,432 --> 00:10:12,134 And the reason is because she doesn't feel this building 191 00:10:12,136 --> 00:10:13,904 is safe for anybody to be in 192 00:10:13,906 --> 00:10:16,507 with the paranormal activity, what's your thoughts on that? 193 00:10:16,509 --> 00:10:19,043 I'm concerned about it. You know, we had one person 194 00:10:19,045 --> 00:10:21,513 that actually physically got pushed from behind. 195 00:10:21,515 --> 00:10:23,449 Things like that just can't happen. 196 00:10:23,451 --> 00:10:25,285 So talking with your wife tiffany, she was saying 197 00:10:25,287 --> 00:10:28,489 that the experiences are pretty intense now. 198 00:10:28,491 --> 00:10:30,358 You have anything that you could tell me about? 199 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,294 Yeah. Yeah, there's a few things that's happened. 200 00:10:32,296 --> 00:10:34,797 My wife and I came in, we're doing inventory. 201 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:37,634 We hear some whistling and singing in our outback. 202 00:10:37,636 --> 00:10:39,671 We go out there, gates are locked. 203 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:41,105 Nobody's there. 204 00:10:41,107 --> 00:10:43,142 Could it have been somebody on the other side of the wall? 205 00:10:43,144 --> 00:10:44,510 No, that's four bricks thick. 206 00:10:44,512 --> 00:10:45,846 You're not going to hear anything on the other side 207 00:10:45,848 --> 00:10:48,749 of the wall. It's really, really different. 208 00:10:48,751 --> 00:10:51,687 Okay, so anything else that you've experienced? 209 00:10:51,689 --> 00:10:54,791 Late at night, I could see shadows going by 210 00:10:54,793 --> 00:10:57,260 in the mirror during closing. 211 00:10:57,262 --> 00:10:58,829 And nothing coming from the outside maybe? 212 00:10:58,831 --> 00:11:03,034 Nothing coming -- it's 4:00 in the morning, town's dead. 213 00:11:03,036 --> 00:11:04,570 All right, let me ask you something. 214 00:11:04,572 --> 00:11:06,439 How long ago did your father pass? 215 00:11:06,441 --> 00:11:07,541 He passed about 10 years ago. 216 00:11:07,543 --> 00:11:09,343 - About 10 years ago. - He was a great man. 217 00:11:09,345 --> 00:11:10,812 Was he? What kind of guy was he? 218 00:11:10,814 --> 00:11:13,248 He was the life of the party. He liked to throw the parties. 219 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:15,351 He would still come in every night when he was alive. 220 00:11:15,353 --> 00:11:17,120 - Okay. - This was his spot. 221 00:11:17,122 --> 00:11:19,256 How would you feel if you found out he was? 222 00:11:19,258 --> 00:11:21,893 I would be reassured that he's still doing 223 00:11:21,895 --> 00:11:23,595 what he wanted to do, you know? Right. 224 00:11:23,597 --> 00:11:25,430 He's still here. He's still looking over things. 225 00:11:25,432 --> 00:11:27,066 Okay. 226 00:11:29,170 --> 00:11:31,472 Amy: There's a male who's hiding. 227 00:11:31,474 --> 00:11:33,107 There's a sense of ownership here. 228 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:40,150 There's a sense of, you know, back off, it's my space. 229 00:11:40,152 --> 00:11:43,821 He grabbed my arm, didn't want me to go over here. 230 00:11:43,823 --> 00:11:45,390 I don't know why. 231 00:11:45,392 --> 00:11:49,129 ♪♪ 232 00:11:49,131 --> 00:11:53,534 I think he worked here or something, 233 00:11:53,536 --> 00:11:55,938 and he's still trying to do his work. 234 00:11:55,940 --> 00:11:58,106 I feel like he's a little bit more recent, 235 00:11:58,108 --> 00:12:01,544 I'd say in the last, I don't know, 236 00:12:01,546 --> 00:12:03,847 seven or eight years, I guess. 237 00:12:03,849 --> 00:12:07,652 Like, he feels like a protective person, 238 00:12:07,654 --> 00:12:11,391 like he's trying to stop me from seeing anything bad. 239 00:12:11,393 --> 00:12:14,896 ♪♪ 240 00:12:14,898 --> 00:12:16,497 okay, so johnny, anything else? 241 00:12:16,499 --> 00:12:19,301 We had a ceiling fan just like this one here 242 00:12:19,303 --> 00:12:21,638 fall from right there. 243 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,940 It just fell straight to the ground. 244 00:12:23,942 --> 00:12:26,877 It was one of those things that it just, for no reason. 245 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:28,480 - All right, so it wasn't on? - It wasn't on, 246 00:12:28,482 --> 00:12:31,617 but I do have security footage if you'd like to take a look. 247 00:12:31,619 --> 00:12:32,819 Yeah, absolutely. 248 00:12:32,821 --> 00:12:38,727 ♪♪ 249 00:12:38,729 --> 00:12:40,930 oh, wow. 250 00:12:40,932 --> 00:12:43,700 ♪♪ 251 00:12:43,702 --> 00:12:45,302 let me ask you something, was anybody here? 252 00:12:45,304 --> 00:12:48,006 Nobody was here, thankfully. A couple of days before that, 253 00:12:48,008 --> 00:12:50,009 my wife's band was practicing right here though. 254 00:12:50,011 --> 00:12:51,510 - Right here? - Right here. 255 00:12:51,512 --> 00:12:53,146 That's one of the big things that started to concern me. 256 00:12:53,148 --> 00:12:55,448 I'm like, two days before, 257 00:12:55,450 --> 00:12:56,784 I mean, it could have fallen on her. 258 00:12:56,786 --> 00:12:59,221 To say you dodged a bullet, it's an understatement. 259 00:12:59,223 --> 00:13:02,157 - Absolutely. - With all this stuff going on, 260 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:04,660 why not just sell it and open someplace else? 261 00:13:04,662 --> 00:13:06,296 No, that's not a choice for me. 262 00:13:06,298 --> 00:13:09,734 My parents had it before me, and it's a staple in palatka, 263 00:13:09,736 --> 00:13:11,770 and it's important to me that it continues to go. 264 00:13:11,772 --> 00:13:12,805 This is it for me. 265 00:13:12,807 --> 00:13:14,807 Okay. 266 00:13:14,809 --> 00:13:19,480 Amy: This protective guy, he doesn't like to mess with women. 267 00:13:19,482 --> 00:13:22,518 He goes after men particularly. 268 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,923 I mean, I think men feel like, you know, they're being grabbed, 269 00:13:26,925 --> 00:13:33,832 being pushed, just getting shoved. 270 00:13:33,834 --> 00:13:36,402 I think this person breaks things, too. 271 00:13:36,404 --> 00:13:39,506 ♪♪ 272 00:13:39,508 --> 00:13:41,543 so after talking to tiffany and johnny, 273 00:13:41,545 --> 00:13:43,545 I wanted to see what their employees 274 00:13:43,547 --> 00:13:45,448 and their customers had to say. 275 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:48,518 There's been nights where I see a man watching the bartender. 276 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,289 I see a silhouette. It's terrifying. 277 00:13:51,291 --> 00:13:53,692 And each one of them had experiences more intense 278 00:13:53,694 --> 00:13:54,993 than the last. 279 00:13:54,995 --> 00:13:56,963 I was carrying three cups in one hand, 280 00:13:56,965 --> 00:13:59,299 and something aggressively knocked one of the cups 281 00:13:59,301 --> 00:14:02,770 in an upward direction from my hand. 282 00:14:02,772 --> 00:14:04,773 It always seems like there's a really tense energy 283 00:14:04,775 --> 00:14:08,411 here in the bar, like it's ready for a fight. 284 00:14:08,413 --> 00:14:10,881 I saw an apparition of a man 285 00:14:10,883 --> 00:14:12,684 that walked right through those doors. 286 00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:14,686 How'd you feel when you saw that? 287 00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:17,189 I went to finish and leave. 288 00:14:17,191 --> 00:14:19,726 In fact, I don't think I finished, I think I just left. 289 00:14:19,728 --> 00:14:21,528 But what's got me the most concerned 290 00:14:21,530 --> 00:14:23,431 is the physical attacks. 291 00:14:23,433 --> 00:14:25,467 I'd walk out of that room right there, 292 00:14:25,469 --> 00:14:27,736 and I feel two hands on my back shoving me 293 00:14:27,738 --> 00:14:29,305 to get out of this room. 294 00:14:29,307 --> 00:14:31,040 Whatever it was, it just wanted me out. 295 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:34,512 - Out? - Right. 296 00:14:34,514 --> 00:14:38,551 The protective guy, he's like, "I keep trying to help women, 297 00:14:38,553 --> 00:14:40,253 but it goes, like, sideways." 298 00:14:40,255 --> 00:14:44,659 it never goes the way that he intends or plans. 299 00:14:44,661 --> 00:14:47,395 ♪♪ 300 00:14:47,397 --> 00:14:50,734 he's ornery towards men, but he doesn't like guys in his space. 301 00:14:50,736 --> 00:14:53,905 This is his space. That's his space. 302 00:14:53,907 --> 00:14:57,543 He can be physical, like pushing, shoving, 303 00:14:57,545 --> 00:15:00,145 grabbing, punching. 304 00:15:00,147 --> 00:15:02,048 I don't think he would kill a guy, 305 00:15:02,050 --> 00:15:06,520 but might come to, you know, a couple of blows in there. 306 00:15:06,522 --> 00:15:12,728 ♪♪ 307 00:15:15,034 --> 00:15:23,210 ♪♪ 308 00:15:23,212 --> 00:15:26,080 steve: So before I got to town, I made my usual calls -- 309 00:15:26,082 --> 00:15:28,549 historians, authors, cops. 310 00:15:28,551 --> 00:15:30,252 I just got a call back from an archivist 311 00:15:30,254 --> 00:15:32,121 who did some digging for me. 312 00:15:32,123 --> 00:15:34,724 Now, she says tiffany and johnny's property 313 00:15:34,726 --> 00:15:37,328 was home to the deadliest american indian war 314 00:15:37,330 --> 00:15:39,965 in the history of the united states. 315 00:15:39,967 --> 00:15:47,274 ♪♪ 316 00:15:47,276 --> 00:15:48,610 steve: So, betsy, I appreciate you meeting me 317 00:15:48,612 --> 00:15:50,411 and helping me out with this case. 318 00:15:50,413 --> 00:15:52,248 Before we get to this big war, 319 00:15:52,250 --> 00:15:53,616 what can you tell me about the tribe 320 00:15:53,618 --> 00:15:55,285 that used to be on my client's land? 321 00:15:55,287 --> 00:15:57,554 Yes. Seminole indians had settlements here 322 00:15:57,556 --> 00:16:01,893 for hundreds of years. We know that in the 1770s, 323 00:16:01,895 --> 00:16:05,298 there was a trading post and the white settlers 324 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:07,901 and the seminole indians traded. 325 00:16:07,903 --> 00:16:09,770 We know that there were happy times, 326 00:16:09,772 --> 00:16:11,973 but all of the peacefulness and the coexistence 327 00:16:11,975 --> 00:16:13,308 ended when the government came in 328 00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:15,878 and tried to kick the seminole indians out of florida. 329 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,348 Okay, so that's when they got the bad blood started? 330 00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:21,619 Yes, it was in December of 1835, 331 00:16:21,621 --> 00:16:23,422 the seminole indians came in and burned 332 00:16:23,424 --> 00:16:25,591 what was palatka settlement. 333 00:16:25,593 --> 00:16:28,428 Immediately, the federal government stepped in, 334 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:32,066 took over palatka and then started building fort shannon, 335 00:16:32,068 --> 00:16:34,303 so that was built in 1836. 336 00:16:34,305 --> 00:16:39,143 And so your client's property is part of that military outpost. 337 00:16:39,145 --> 00:16:40,711 Now, who would have been stationed here? 338 00:16:40,713 --> 00:16:43,114 There would have been anywhere from 100 to 400 339 00:16:43,116 --> 00:16:45,083 u.S. Military personnel. 340 00:16:45,085 --> 00:16:48,554 This base held not only the wounded and the sick, 341 00:16:48,556 --> 00:16:50,991 but also people here being -- 342 00:16:50,993 --> 00:16:53,161 waiting to be dispatched to go into battle. 343 00:16:53,163 --> 00:16:54,862 I got to assume a lot of people died here. 344 00:16:54,864 --> 00:16:58,768 Yes. This was the worst indian war 345 00:16:58,770 --> 00:17:00,937 in the history of the united states. 346 00:17:00,939 --> 00:17:03,874 We estimate around 3,000 seminole indians 347 00:17:03,876 --> 00:17:07,012 died during that war and around 1600 u.S. Troops. 348 00:17:07,014 --> 00:17:09,282 Okay. When did it all end? 349 00:17:09,284 --> 00:17:12,519 Well, the seminole indian war ended in 1842 350 00:17:12,521 --> 00:17:14,656 when the seminole indians agreed to sign a treaty 351 00:17:14,658 --> 00:17:16,291 with the u.S. Federal government, 352 00:17:16,293 --> 00:17:20,162 and most of them were relocated to oklahoma. 353 00:17:20,164 --> 00:17:22,566 - They got a crappy deal. - Yes. 354 00:17:22,568 --> 00:17:24,135 You know, betsy, looking at this place now 355 00:17:24,137 --> 00:17:25,870 and how beautiful it is, it's hard to imagine 356 00:17:25,872 --> 00:17:28,941 this small piece of land held so much bloodshed. 357 00:17:28,943 --> 00:17:31,044 Yes. Many people died here. 358 00:17:31,046 --> 00:17:34,048 ♪♪ 359 00:17:34,050 --> 00:17:37,119 amy: There's a lot of death here, man. 360 00:17:37,121 --> 00:17:39,989 Something with partnerships here, bad. 361 00:17:39,991 --> 00:17:42,525 They always go bad. 362 00:17:42,527 --> 00:17:45,863 Feeling like a lot of death within these partnerships. 363 00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:53,607 I'm hearing gunshots. I'm feeling panic and gunshots. 364 00:17:53,609 --> 00:17:56,744 But I guess whatever this situation is, 365 00:17:56,746 --> 00:17:59,915 it seems to have started a chain of events, they're saying. 366 00:17:59,917 --> 00:18:02,085 See they keep throwing that word around 367 00:18:02,087 --> 00:18:03,186 and I don't want to say it. 368 00:18:03,188 --> 00:18:05,256 - What word? - Cursed. 369 00:18:07,693 --> 00:18:09,528 Steve: All right. So far, I've got clients worried 370 00:18:09,530 --> 00:18:12,365 about the safety of their employees and guests 371 00:18:12,367 --> 00:18:16,003 in an area with nearly 5,000 people died in a war, 372 00:18:16,005 --> 00:18:18,306 but I want to see if there's anything else. 373 00:18:18,308 --> 00:18:21,009 Looking through old records, I find one of the former owners 374 00:18:21,011 --> 00:18:22,912 of tiffany and johnny's property. 375 00:18:22,914 --> 00:18:24,848 Turns out, she helped save palatka 376 00:18:24,850 --> 00:18:28,152 from being destroyed during the civil war. 377 00:18:28,154 --> 00:18:32,124 So, I managed to track down this woman's great, great grandson. 378 00:18:32,126 --> 00:18:34,594 He says when she wasn't burying kids, 379 00:18:34,596 --> 00:18:37,198 she was fighting her abusive crook of a husband, 380 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,366 just to keep ahold of tiffany's property. 381 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:45,241 ♪♪ 382 00:18:45,243 --> 00:18:47,144 steve: Mike, I appreciate you taking the time to meet with me. 383 00:18:47,146 --> 00:18:48,345 Mike: My pleasure. 384 00:18:48,347 --> 00:18:49,746 So you mentioned on the phone that your great, 385 00:18:49,749 --> 00:18:52,016 great grandmother was quite a woman. 386 00:18:52,018 --> 00:18:53,486 What can you tell me about her? 387 00:18:53,488 --> 00:18:56,356 Well, her name was mary emily dunham boyd. 388 00:18:56,358 --> 00:18:59,827 Here are a couple of pictures of mary emily. 389 00:18:59,829 --> 00:19:03,098 And she had married one of the big wigs in the town, 390 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:05,133 robert t. Boyd. - Okay. 391 00:19:05,135 --> 00:19:06,769 After she married robert t., 392 00:19:06,771 --> 00:19:11,242 they moved into a big house that he had built on the property 393 00:19:11,244 --> 00:19:13,545 that you're investigating. 394 00:19:13,547 --> 00:19:15,281 During my research, I found out 395 00:19:15,283 --> 00:19:18,284 that she basically saved the town. 396 00:19:18,286 --> 00:19:21,823 That's what she's pretty much known for to this day. 397 00:19:21,825 --> 00:19:26,829 Back during the civil war, in October of 1862, 398 00:19:26,831 --> 00:19:30,233 there was quite a lot of naval activity out on the river -- 399 00:19:30,235 --> 00:19:32,637 union gunboats and things like that. 400 00:19:32,639 --> 00:19:35,507 There were also some confederate soldiers 401 00:19:35,509 --> 00:19:38,278 hiding out in the hills behind the town, 402 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,449 and one of the boats fired a few shots over the town, 403 00:19:42,451 --> 00:19:44,920 scared the dickens out of the population. 404 00:19:44,922 --> 00:19:47,490 Mary emily couldn't find a man who would go out 405 00:19:47,492 --> 00:19:50,126 and try to stop the shooting, 406 00:19:50,128 --> 00:19:52,162 so she decided she'd do it herself, 407 00:19:52,164 --> 00:19:55,099 and she negotiated a truce. 408 00:19:55,101 --> 00:19:57,403 The confederate soldiers went away. 409 00:19:57,405 --> 00:20:00,574 So she basically saved the town from getting bombed. 410 00:20:00,576 --> 00:20:02,042 Pretty much did, yes. 411 00:20:02,044 --> 00:20:04,345 Now, you mentioned she lost some kids. 412 00:20:04,347 --> 00:20:09,652 Yes, between 1854 and 1867, 413 00:20:09,654 --> 00:20:14,258 mary lost three of her four kids before the age of three. 414 00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:16,061 And this all happened on my client's property? 415 00:20:16,063 --> 00:20:17,662 Yes. 416 00:20:17,664 --> 00:20:22,068 ♪♪ 417 00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:26,507 amy: I'm seeing that evil dead lady again. 418 00:20:26,509 --> 00:20:30,479 I feel like she is directly related to this location. 419 00:20:30,481 --> 00:20:34,084 With her, I'm getting 1890 to 1917. 420 00:20:34,086 --> 00:20:36,754 ♪♪ 421 00:20:36,756 --> 00:20:38,991 she's saying something about, "it hurts." 422 00:20:38,993 --> 00:20:41,059 she's like, "it hurts. It hurts so much. 423 00:20:41,061 --> 00:20:43,029 It hurts so much." 424 00:20:43,031 --> 00:20:45,032 I am hearing a woman sobbing. 425 00:20:45,034 --> 00:20:46,834 I think the living would hear this. 426 00:20:46,836 --> 00:20:48,236 I think that the living would feel 427 00:20:48,238 --> 00:20:52,041 this horrible depression and loss. 428 00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:55,512 I think her kids died really young. 429 00:20:55,514 --> 00:21:00,753 I also see her being attacked. Ooh, I don't know, 430 00:21:00,755 --> 00:21:04,658 I see like a guy on top of her. I think he beat her, 431 00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:09,096 and psychologically, it's damaging. 432 00:21:11,268 --> 00:21:13,836 Now, you mentioned on the phone mary's husband, robert, 433 00:21:13,838 --> 00:21:16,874 wasn't the greatest guy, what can you tell me about him? 434 00:21:16,876 --> 00:21:18,976 He got in trouble with his business. 435 00:21:18,978 --> 00:21:21,413 He and his partner were lumbermen. 436 00:21:21,415 --> 00:21:24,150 He was accused of cutting timber 437 00:21:24,152 --> 00:21:26,953 on federal government land illegally. 438 00:21:26,955 --> 00:21:28,321 Okay. 439 00:21:28,323 --> 00:21:31,859 So he was just fending off one lawsuit after another. 440 00:21:31,861 --> 00:21:33,328 During all this mess that was going on, 441 00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:34,963 what happens to my client's property? 442 00:21:34,965 --> 00:21:38,401 The government of course wanted to go after that, too, 443 00:21:38,403 --> 00:21:40,404 but robert kind of outsmarted them, 444 00:21:40,406 --> 00:21:42,841 because a year before this all came to a head, 445 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:45,745 he signed the house, your client's property, 446 00:21:45,747 --> 00:21:50,317 over to his wife, so it remained with her. 447 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:53,321 So we know he's shady, but was he a good family man? 448 00:21:53,323 --> 00:21:57,193 No. He had a violent, uncontrollable temper. 449 00:21:57,195 --> 00:22:02,033 And finally, by 1876, she filed for divorce. 450 00:22:02,035 --> 00:22:04,670 Three years later, robert t. Died. 451 00:22:04,672 --> 00:22:05,704 What happens to mary? 452 00:22:05,706 --> 00:22:09,576 She and some of her kids and grandkids 453 00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:12,113 all lived together in the property 454 00:22:12,115 --> 00:22:15,150 that you're investigating for close to 40 more years. 455 00:22:15,152 --> 00:22:18,354 She finally died of a stroke in 1917. 456 00:22:18,356 --> 00:22:19,622 She had a sad life. 457 00:22:19,624 --> 00:22:24,629 Yeah, but it did have its good moments. 458 00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:28,467 ♪♪ 459 00:22:28,469 --> 00:22:32,272 amy: There's two dead guys who are dressed really well. 460 00:22:32,274 --> 00:22:34,876 One of them is the evil lady's husband. 461 00:22:34,878 --> 00:22:36,478 I do get smuggling. 462 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,416 ♪♪ 463 00:22:40,418 --> 00:22:41,684 they're flicking money. 464 00:22:41,686 --> 00:22:45,556 They might have been some kind of partnership 465 00:22:45,558 --> 00:22:48,861 but **** goes wrong between partnerships here. 466 00:22:48,863 --> 00:22:50,530 Do you know why partnerships go bad here? 467 00:22:50,532 --> 00:22:52,566 Like, I kept hearing curse. 468 00:22:52,568 --> 00:22:59,074 ♪♪ 469 00:23:01,445 --> 00:23:02,445 for more information about the show, 470 00:23:02,447 --> 00:23:03,914 and if you need us to investigate 471 00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:05,750 unexplained activity in your home... 472 00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:09,288 Please visit travelchannel.Com/thedeadfiles. 473 00:23:09,290 --> 00:23:11,191 Click on "help me, dead files!" to submit your story 474 00:23:11,193 --> 00:23:12,325 and we'll help if we can. 475 00:23:14,095 --> 00:23:21,571 ♪♪ 476 00:23:21,573 --> 00:23:24,541 so another thing caught my attention in research. 477 00:23:24,543 --> 00:23:27,579 One of the most prolific serial killers in florida history 478 00:23:27,581 --> 00:23:29,848 was born right here in palatka. 479 00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:32,151 So, I'm headed over to meet a local detective 480 00:23:32,153 --> 00:23:35,222 who says not only did this sick bastard live down the block 481 00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:36,958 from tiffany and john's property, 482 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,093 he may have even drank at their bar. 483 00:23:39,095 --> 00:23:45,468 ♪♪ 484 00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:47,638 steve: So mark, thanks for helping me out with this case. 485 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,941 Before we get to the murders, what do we know about this guy? 486 00:23:49,943 --> 00:23:52,510 This guy's name was william darrell lindsey. 487 00:23:52,512 --> 00:23:56,617 People called him "red bird" because of his red hair. 488 00:23:56,619 --> 00:23:58,886 He was born in palatka in 1935. 489 00:23:58,888 --> 00:24:01,556 He worked multiple manual labor jobs, 490 00:24:01,558 --> 00:24:04,293 construction work, mechanic, stuff like that. 491 00:24:04,295 --> 00:24:06,196 For a while, he was living downtown palatka, 492 00:24:06,198 --> 00:24:07,864 which is probably about three blocks 493 00:24:07,866 --> 00:24:09,367 from your client's property. - All right. 494 00:24:09,369 --> 00:24:11,168 So since he lived so close to my client's property, 495 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:12,638 that's probably what you meant when you told me 496 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,539 that he probably drank there at some point. 497 00:24:14,541 --> 00:24:16,009 Oh, yeah. He was a raging alcoholic. 498 00:24:16,011 --> 00:24:17,977 He was a drug abuser. The guy was a womanizer. 499 00:24:17,979 --> 00:24:20,247 He was chasing women all over the bars in palatka. 500 00:24:20,249 --> 00:24:23,051 I'm sure that he frequented that bar at least a couple times. 501 00:24:23,053 --> 00:24:25,621 All right. The murders, what happened? 502 00:24:25,623 --> 00:24:27,123 Well, the first murder that we know of 503 00:24:27,125 --> 00:24:29,459 was in 1983 over in st. Augustine. 504 00:24:29,461 --> 00:24:31,129 So he meets his lady at a bar. 505 00:24:31,131 --> 00:24:33,331 They go down to the beach and have sex. 506 00:24:33,333 --> 00:24:35,267 He ends up strangling her to death, 507 00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:37,938 takes her out to the woods, and throws her in a pit. 508 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:40,708 Okay. So what happens after that one? 509 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:44,246 It's 1988, he picks up a prostitute in st. Augustine, 510 00:24:44,248 --> 00:24:47,050 rapes her, beats her to death with a board, 511 00:24:47,052 --> 00:24:49,252 he puts cigarette burns all over her body, 512 00:24:49,254 --> 00:24:51,755 and he leaves bite marks on her on top of that. 513 00:24:51,757 --> 00:24:53,992 All right, so this is a sadistic bastard we're talking about. 514 00:24:53,994 --> 00:24:55,260 Got to be. Got to be. 515 00:24:55,262 --> 00:24:56,929 I know he eventually gets caught. 516 00:24:56,931 --> 00:24:58,264 How's that all go down? 517 00:24:58,266 --> 00:25:00,934 So in 1996, he gets caught and he's arrested up 518 00:25:00,936 --> 00:25:03,304 in north carolina for a murder. 519 00:25:03,306 --> 00:25:07,042 He confesses to murdering 12 people down here. 520 00:25:07,044 --> 00:25:10,113 They believe that he's responsible for eight more. 521 00:25:10,115 --> 00:25:12,350 Okay, so what did this rat bastard wind up getting? 522 00:25:12,352 --> 00:25:15,319 Ultimately, he cops to a plea deal. 523 00:25:15,321 --> 00:25:19,092 The plea deal is they give him 30 years in prison. 524 00:25:19,094 --> 00:25:21,394 -30 years? -30 years for eight people. 525 00:25:21,396 --> 00:25:22,796 He deserved worse. 526 00:25:22,798 --> 00:25:24,064 He goes to prison for five years, 527 00:25:24,066 --> 00:25:25,533 and then he died of cancer. 528 00:25:25,535 --> 00:25:28,036 66 years of age. Cheated the hangman. 529 00:25:28,038 --> 00:25:29,305 He did. 530 00:25:29,307 --> 00:25:30,840 Here's a photo of him right before he died. 531 00:25:30,842 --> 00:25:33,610 All right, so this rat bastard didn't get his just desserts? 532 00:25:33,612 --> 00:25:35,213 Nope, didn't. 533 00:25:35,215 --> 00:25:38,650 ♪♪ 534 00:25:38,652 --> 00:25:42,689 amy: I see a female being attacked. 535 00:25:42,691 --> 00:25:45,493 She's feeling the pain, pain, pain, pain, pain pain, 536 00:25:45,495 --> 00:25:47,094 and then it's lights out. 537 00:25:47,096 --> 00:25:51,868 ♪♪ 538 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:57,942 I think there was damage on the left side of her head, face. 539 00:25:57,944 --> 00:26:00,946 There's damage indicating I think bludgeoning. 540 00:26:00,948 --> 00:26:03,784 ♪♪ 541 00:26:03,786 --> 00:26:05,419 any idea when that was? 542 00:26:05,421 --> 00:26:09,424 Amy: I'd place her anywhere from '80s to now based on her outfit. 543 00:26:11,762 --> 00:26:15,565 This woman is being taken, taken away. 544 00:26:15,567 --> 00:26:17,268 It happened very fast. 545 00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:19,938 ♪♪ 546 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:23,376 I feel like a lot of loss. Confusion. 547 00:26:23,378 --> 00:26:24,944 It feels like she was here all the time, 548 00:26:24,946 --> 00:26:27,381 all the time, this chick who got taken. 549 00:26:28,451 --> 00:26:31,886 All the sudden, there's this psycho-looking guy. 550 00:26:31,888 --> 00:26:34,957 I put him in his late 30s, early 40s. 551 00:26:34,959 --> 00:26:38,028 He's got kind of a brown, reddish kind of hair. 552 00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:43,001 He has a mutant kind of smile. It was like distorted. 553 00:26:43,003 --> 00:26:46,106 He seemed like a guy who worked with his hands. 554 00:26:46,108 --> 00:26:48,275 I caught a glimpse of him in jail 555 00:26:48,277 --> 00:26:49,443 with his head shaved. 556 00:26:49,445 --> 00:26:52,147 ♪♪ 557 00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:53,181 he's a killer. 558 00:26:53,183 --> 00:26:59,857 ♪♪ 559 00:26:59,859 --> 00:27:02,594 I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk, 560 00:27:02,596 --> 00:27:04,563 but the dead kids pushing people down 561 00:27:04,565 --> 00:27:07,767 the stairs concerns me the most. 562 00:27:07,769 --> 00:27:11,973 There's these two dead kids there, a boy and a girl. 563 00:27:11,975 --> 00:27:16,211 And there's like a living male falling in the air. 564 00:27:16,213 --> 00:27:17,313 Okay. 565 00:27:17,315 --> 00:27:19,182 The stairs go down this way. 566 00:27:19,184 --> 00:27:20,784 Oh. 567 00:27:20,786 --> 00:27:28,361 ♪♪ 568 00:27:28,363 --> 00:27:32,901 - amy, is this what you saw? - Yes, that's what I saw. 569 00:27:32,903 --> 00:27:37,640 ♪♪ 570 00:27:39,978 --> 00:27:46,652 ♪♪ 571 00:27:46,654 --> 00:27:53,327 ♪♪ 572 00:27:53,329 --> 00:27:56,298 steve: Now that amy and I have completed our investigations, 573 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,568 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 574 00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:01,305 and our clients for the first time. 575 00:28:01,307 --> 00:28:04,742 So amy, I'd like you to meet tiffany and her husband, johnny. 576 00:28:04,744 --> 00:28:08,480 Now, this bar has been in johnny's family for decades, 577 00:28:08,482 --> 00:28:10,849 but after these two got married around three years ago 578 00:28:10,851 --> 00:28:13,220 and then decided to do renovations here, 579 00:28:13,222 --> 00:28:14,789 all hell broke loose. 580 00:28:14,791 --> 00:28:17,459 Tiffany called us in because the activity's gotten violent, 581 00:28:17,461 --> 00:28:20,964 and she doesn't think it's safe for anybody to be here. 582 00:28:20,966 --> 00:28:22,966 So now that amy knows a little bit about you guys, 583 00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:24,835 I'll ask her to describe her walk. 584 00:28:24,837 --> 00:28:28,473 ♪♪ 585 00:28:28,475 --> 00:28:31,244 amy: So the first thing I'm going to talk about is partnerships 586 00:28:31,246 --> 00:28:33,480 and how they always go bad here. 587 00:28:33,482 --> 00:28:36,884 And I was trying to figure out why is this something 588 00:28:36,886 --> 00:28:40,222 that keeps repeating itself specific to this location? 589 00:28:40,224 --> 00:28:43,360 And I kept getting the word "curse." 590 00:28:43,362 --> 00:28:46,130 the things that I feel is 591 00:28:46,132 --> 00:28:49,635 it's not just necessarily to this building, 592 00:28:49,637 --> 00:28:53,806 but it seems like the entire town's being held back. 593 00:28:53,808 --> 00:28:57,845 It's funny because in the past, amy's talked about curses 594 00:28:57,847 --> 00:29:02,318 and usually associated a lot with the native americans. 595 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,054 What I came across was that this land we're sitting on 596 00:29:05,056 --> 00:29:07,557 was part of the seminole indian settlement, 597 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,093 and they'd been here for hundreds of years. 598 00:29:09,095 --> 00:29:10,928 Believe it or not, though, when the white settlers first 599 00:29:10,930 --> 00:29:12,298 came here during the 1700s, 600 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,669 they got along fine. They traded. They hung out. 601 00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:18,172 But come the 1800s, the government, 602 00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:20,708 they tried to get the whole seminole nation out of here, 603 00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:22,744 and it kind of pissed them off. 604 00:29:22,746 --> 00:29:26,783 And in 1835, they burnt this town down, 605 00:29:26,785 --> 00:29:29,153 so by the time the war ended in 1842, 606 00:29:29,155 --> 00:29:31,356 you had 3,000 dead seminoles 607 00:29:31,358 --> 00:29:34,860 and you had 1,600 dead u.S. Government troops. 608 00:29:34,862 --> 00:29:37,631 That war was considered, right here on your land, 609 00:29:37,633 --> 00:29:40,201 was considered the costliest war 610 00:29:40,203 --> 00:29:43,839 between native americans and u.S. Settlers. 611 00:29:43,841 --> 00:29:46,375 That finally ended at them signing a treaty 612 00:29:46,377 --> 00:29:49,112 to get displaced, and they went from florida, 613 00:29:49,114 --> 00:29:51,148 they stuck their asses in oklahoma. 614 00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:53,418 So do you think it's possible the seminole people 615 00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:54,920 put a curse on this land? 616 00:29:54,922 --> 00:29:58,458 Yeah, I do. I think that's the logical conclusion. 617 00:29:58,460 --> 00:30:01,161 It makes total sense. 618 00:30:01,163 --> 00:30:05,433 Something's just not right with the town. 619 00:30:05,435 --> 00:30:07,303 Steve: Okay. So what else you got? 620 00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:11,608 One of the dead that I encountered was on this floor. 621 00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:13,711 So I'm walking over there and he was like, 622 00:30:13,713 --> 00:30:15,280 "whoa, whoa, whoa, back off." 623 00:30:15,282 --> 00:30:19,886 and that indicated to me that this was his place, 624 00:30:19,888 --> 00:30:22,056 possibly when he was alive. 625 00:30:22,058 --> 00:30:24,091 It got that his death was pretty recent 626 00:30:24,093 --> 00:30:27,997 within the last 8 to 10 years. 627 00:30:27,999 --> 00:30:29,966 Are we all thinking the same thing? 628 00:30:29,968 --> 00:30:31,635 I am. 629 00:30:31,637 --> 00:30:34,138 So it sounds like the person you may be talking about 630 00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:35,640 is johnny's dad. 631 00:30:35,642 --> 00:30:38,444 He owned this place over 20 years. 632 00:30:38,446 --> 00:30:39,912 Oh, wow. Okay. 633 00:30:39,914 --> 00:30:41,415 Steve: Your dad passed away how long ago? 634 00:30:41,417 --> 00:30:44,619 10 years ago. He was the life of the party. 635 00:30:44,621 --> 00:30:46,187 He loved being here. 636 00:30:46,189 --> 00:30:48,690 That's why this is not just a bar for you. 637 00:30:48,692 --> 00:30:52,228 To keep it going is paramount for me. 638 00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:54,899 He's extremely protective of women. 639 00:30:54,901 --> 00:30:57,002 If a guy's getting pissy towards a woman, 640 00:30:57,004 --> 00:31:01,174 like, he has no problem being like, pushing or shoving. 641 00:31:01,176 --> 00:31:02,475 Does that sound like your pop? 642 00:31:02,477 --> 00:31:06,079 Yeah. He would definitely be a protector for sure. 643 00:31:06,081 --> 00:31:09,518 I also thought though that people might be able to see him, 644 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,188 because obviously he can get really physical. 645 00:31:12,190 --> 00:31:15,158 I've seen a man, I've actually followed a man 646 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,196 that's about his height and stature 647 00:31:18,198 --> 00:31:19,965 thinking that it was him. 648 00:31:19,967 --> 00:31:23,603 Actually I have a photo of him and johnny together, 649 00:31:23,605 --> 00:31:28,175 which is a really great photo. That's his dad right here. 650 00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:31,279 So do you think the guy that you saw is johnny's dad? 651 00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:34,383 Amy: More than likely. Yeah. 652 00:31:34,385 --> 00:31:36,520 If he's coming back to look over the place 653 00:31:36,522 --> 00:31:39,090 because he enjoyed being here, I'm okay with that. 654 00:31:39,092 --> 00:31:41,760 ♪♪ 655 00:31:41,762 --> 00:31:44,831 - all right, so what else? - This next dead person 656 00:31:44,833 --> 00:31:47,567 that I'm going to talk about is a female. 657 00:31:47,569 --> 00:31:50,838 She's one of the more active dead people here. 658 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,979 She's creepy. She does invoke, like, the fear response. 659 00:31:55,981 --> 00:32:00,184 So a sudden onset of fear and anxiety for no reason. 660 00:32:00,186 --> 00:32:03,121 But I felt like you guys would see her 661 00:32:03,123 --> 00:32:05,858 because she's so active here. 662 00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:07,394 You saw an apparition of a woman. 663 00:32:07,396 --> 00:32:09,429 Explain to amy what you saw. 664 00:32:09,431 --> 00:32:11,232 She was in a period dress. 665 00:32:11,234 --> 00:32:15,237 The woman that I saw. I've seen her multiple times. 666 00:32:15,239 --> 00:32:16,840 Now, we talked about anxiety. 667 00:32:16,842 --> 00:32:18,875 Yeah, I've had that happen, 668 00:32:18,877 --> 00:32:22,380 and it's like all of a sudden this rush. 669 00:32:22,382 --> 00:32:26,386 She was always climbing the walls and the ceilings. 670 00:32:26,388 --> 00:32:29,557 She likes to watch people from up there. 671 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,360 I think that living people would feel this. 672 00:32:32,362 --> 00:32:34,129 Feel like you're being watched. 673 00:32:34,131 --> 00:32:35,765 When I spoke to some of your employees, 674 00:32:35,767 --> 00:32:39,803 a lot of them were saying that they felt watched. 675 00:32:39,805 --> 00:32:41,471 So I'm assuming it's got to be this woman. 676 00:32:41,473 --> 00:32:42,874 Yeah. 677 00:32:42,876 --> 00:32:45,911 Now you described something you saw across the street. 678 00:32:45,913 --> 00:32:48,448 Tell amy what you saw when you guys were hanging out outside. 679 00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:55,857 I saw a in-humanly large shadow thing with really long arms, 680 00:32:55,859 --> 00:32:59,262 but was taller than the buildings across the street. 681 00:32:59,264 --> 00:33:00,463 Okay. 682 00:33:00,465 --> 00:33:04,134 And it was walking down the sidewalk towards me. 683 00:33:04,136 --> 00:33:06,237 She was shaken. 684 00:33:06,239 --> 00:33:10,443 That was horrific, whatever it was. 685 00:33:10,445 --> 00:33:13,080 Okay, that definitely was not this woman. 686 00:33:13,082 --> 00:33:15,149 I've seen something similar to that. 687 00:33:15,151 --> 00:33:18,787 It's called a watcher, and it was associated 688 00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:22,792 with a native american location that was cursed. 689 00:33:22,794 --> 00:33:24,495 - That's scary. - I know. 690 00:33:24,497 --> 00:33:29,101 And when they're that big, it's, it's, yeah. 691 00:33:29,103 --> 00:33:31,304 So we know that that shadow is not the woman, 692 00:33:31,306 --> 00:33:32,605 and we think it's the indian curse. 693 00:33:32,607 --> 00:33:36,177 Yes. 694 00:33:36,179 --> 00:33:38,780 So, this woman, you get any idea 695 00:33:38,782 --> 00:33:40,383 about who she might have been when she was alive? 696 00:33:40,385 --> 00:33:46,024 There definitely was a direct connection to this property. 697 00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:50,095 I don't know if she owned it or lived here and she was crying 698 00:33:50,097 --> 00:33:52,632 and she just kind of fell to her knees and was like, 699 00:33:52,634 --> 00:33:55,670 "why? Oh, god, why?" 700 00:33:55,672 --> 00:34:00,142 there was a loss that she suffered 701 00:34:00,144 --> 00:34:02,245 and I was leaning towards children. 702 00:34:02,247 --> 00:34:03,479 She's extremely depressed. 703 00:34:03,481 --> 00:34:06,483 She always carries sadness with her 704 00:34:06,485 --> 00:34:10,021 and the timeframe of her dying is the 1920s. 705 00:34:10,023 --> 00:34:13,025 Steve: Well, it's not a lot to go on, but some of the things you said 706 00:34:13,027 --> 00:34:17,899 reminded me of one of the really early owners of the property. 707 00:34:17,901 --> 00:34:19,333 Her name was mary boyd, 708 00:34:19,335 --> 00:34:22,271 and she moved here with her husband back in 1851. 709 00:34:22,273 --> 00:34:23,772 Short time after they moved here, 710 00:34:23,774 --> 00:34:26,443 her husband and his business partner got into trouble. 711 00:34:26,445 --> 00:34:29,280 So the government wind up seizing all the guy's property. 712 00:34:29,282 --> 00:34:33,018 So to protect it, he wound up signing this property 713 00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:34,454 over to mary. 714 00:34:34,456 --> 00:34:36,022 Mary got to keep the property, 715 00:34:36,024 --> 00:34:39,928 but her life was pretty rough from that point forward. 716 00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:42,163 First of all, her husband was an abusive **** 717 00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:43,432 and like the woman you saw, 718 00:34:43,434 --> 00:34:45,601 she lost three kids, two boys and a girl 719 00:34:45,603 --> 00:34:47,204 and all the kids were under the age of three. 720 00:34:47,206 --> 00:34:49,372 In 1876, 721 00:34:49,374 --> 00:34:51,676 she had enough of the abuse from this guy, and she left him. 722 00:34:51,678 --> 00:34:53,879 - Good for her. - Yeah. 723 00:34:53,881 --> 00:34:56,516 Steve: She ended up buying at her daughter's house 724 00:34:56,518 --> 00:34:58,953 that's only a couple of blocks from here, 725 00:34:58,955 --> 00:35:01,922 and she died of a stroke in 1917, 726 00:35:01,924 --> 00:35:03,759 and she was 87 years old when she died 727 00:35:03,761 --> 00:35:06,329 and I got a couple of photos of mary, 728 00:35:06,331 --> 00:35:12,370 but she wasn't young, and this is her with some grandkids. 729 00:35:12,372 --> 00:35:17,576 This dead woman has these two dead kids 730 00:35:17,578 --> 00:35:20,313 with her the majority of the time. 731 00:35:20,315 --> 00:35:22,350 One's a male and one's a female. 732 00:35:22,352 --> 00:35:24,987 I put them at four to five years of age. 733 00:35:24,989 --> 00:35:28,825 So they're little psychopaths. They're extremely physical. 734 00:35:28,827 --> 00:35:30,760 They like to touch people. 735 00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:34,432 They have mom issues and they go after females in particular. 736 00:35:34,434 --> 00:35:36,968 Kind of inappropriate touching. 737 00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:40,641 So my butt's been grabbed a lot. 738 00:35:40,643 --> 00:35:44,045 Oh, this is not a good situation. 739 00:35:44,047 --> 00:35:47,516 They are very active here in the main bar. 740 00:35:47,518 --> 00:35:50,086 These are the ones who are moving, 741 00:35:50,088 --> 00:35:52,856 breaking, harming things. 742 00:35:52,858 --> 00:35:56,929 Up here on this shelf where all the mugs are, 743 00:35:56,931 --> 00:36:00,767 one of them flew off and shattered on the floor 744 00:36:00,769 --> 00:36:05,039 in between two folks that were shooting pool. 745 00:36:05,041 --> 00:36:08,009 The most concerning thing that these kids do 746 00:36:08,011 --> 00:36:09,478 is they have a game 747 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,884 and it's a challenge game of who could cause the best accidents. 748 00:36:13,886 --> 00:36:16,621 Tell amy about the fan. 749 00:36:16,623 --> 00:36:18,858 The fan in the middle of the day, 750 00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:25,600 not on, nobody around just fell. There was no wood damage. 751 00:36:25,602 --> 00:36:27,969 There's no water damage in that area. 752 00:36:27,971 --> 00:36:31,206 There's no termites. It just fell out of the roof. 753 00:36:31,208 --> 00:36:34,310 Johnny actually gave me video. I'll show you. 754 00:36:34,312 --> 00:36:37,514 So watch this area here. 755 00:36:37,516 --> 00:36:42,088 It's coming out. Boom. That's pretty dangerous. 756 00:36:42,090 --> 00:36:46,994 They're all about fear, chaos, and pain. 757 00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:50,231 I also saw them pushing people by the staircase. 758 00:36:50,233 --> 00:36:53,102 We've had two people that we know of that have been 759 00:36:53,104 --> 00:36:55,972 pushed down the stairs and injured pretty good. 760 00:36:55,974 --> 00:36:58,943 - Did they feel hands? - Yes. 761 00:36:58,945 --> 00:37:03,081 I did have a sketch of what I saw them doing on the stairs. 762 00:37:03,083 --> 00:37:10,592 ♪♪ 763 00:37:10,594 --> 00:37:13,462 interesting. 764 00:37:13,464 --> 00:37:19,202 Wow. I knew it. This is terrible. 765 00:37:19,204 --> 00:37:24,944 I'm so grateful that somebody wasn't killed. 766 00:37:24,946 --> 00:37:29,183 Now, what worries me though is they know how to attach 767 00:37:29,185 --> 00:37:32,421 so they can go home with you. 768 00:37:32,423 --> 00:37:37,093 So at home that night, it felt like my foot had been grabbed 769 00:37:37,095 --> 00:37:40,965 and twisted the wrong way three times. 770 00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:42,934 So is it possible that these kids followed her home? 771 00:37:42,936 --> 00:37:48,275 Yes, they're very cunning and manipulative. 772 00:37:48,277 --> 00:37:50,644 They like to jump people. They like to 773 00:37:50,646 --> 00:37:53,881 **** with your thoughts, making people mentally unsound, 774 00:37:53,883 --> 00:37:57,687 and they like to have people kill themselves. 775 00:37:57,689 --> 00:38:04,329 Lovely. I just knew there was a lot here, but I had no idea. 776 00:38:05,733 --> 00:38:08,201 Can I have a minute? - Sure. 777 00:38:08,203 --> 00:38:16,144 ♪♪ 778 00:38:19,117 --> 00:38:26,658 ♪♪ 779 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,027 so, johnny, tiffany, 780 00:38:28,029 --> 00:38:30,563 I know how important this place is to both of you. 781 00:38:30,565 --> 00:38:32,332 So now for the obvious question, 782 00:38:32,334 --> 00:38:36,138 is there any way you can make this place safe for you, 783 00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:38,140 your employees, and your patrons, 784 00:38:38,142 --> 00:38:41,778 or will you just be gambling with your lives? 785 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:44,415 So for that answer, I'm going to turn it over to amy. 786 00:38:44,417 --> 00:38:48,386 ♪♪ 787 00:38:48,388 --> 00:38:51,557 I know you're not going to like what I have to say. 788 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,694 I understand the want to remain here. 789 00:38:54,696 --> 00:38:58,534 Your parents had this place and they had dreams. 790 00:38:58,536 --> 00:39:01,438 Unfortunately, that's all it can be -- 791 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,939 a dream. 792 00:39:02,941 --> 00:39:08,680 The land is cursed and there is a watcher. 793 00:39:08,682 --> 00:39:12,385 This is one that was left behind by the native americans, 794 00:39:12,387 --> 00:39:16,690 who will remain and will continue to reinforce the curse. 795 00:39:16,692 --> 00:39:19,561 There is no stopping that. 796 00:39:19,563 --> 00:39:22,932 My advice to you, walk away. 797 00:39:22,934 --> 00:39:30,509 ♪♪ 798 00:39:30,511 --> 00:39:33,146 believe me, she does not want to tell you this. 799 00:39:33,148 --> 00:39:39,420 This is the worst, you know, part of my job. 800 00:39:39,422 --> 00:39:41,089 Crushing. 801 00:39:41,091 --> 00:39:48,165 Very. Like unbelievably so. We can't just walk away. 802 00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:52,203 Our family's here. Everything. 803 00:39:52,205 --> 00:39:59,981 We owe it to them to fight, and we owe it to his family. 804 00:39:59,983 --> 00:40:04,119 It's hard to accept it. This is home. 805 00:40:04,121 --> 00:40:07,257 If leaving this location is out of the question, 806 00:40:07,259 --> 00:40:11,563 there are a plethora of things that you can employ 807 00:40:11,565 --> 00:40:14,466 like salt, sage, sweet grass, 808 00:40:14,468 --> 00:40:17,670 but all of them are going to be temporary. 809 00:40:17,672 --> 00:40:23,411 I will do my very best to put as much love and light 810 00:40:23,413 --> 00:40:28,084 as I can into every space I go. 811 00:40:28,086 --> 00:40:30,187 And at least now you know what you're dealing with. 812 00:40:30,189 --> 00:40:32,423 I give you guys a lot of credit, 813 00:40:32,425 --> 00:40:35,093 not for nothing but you're looking 814 00:40:35,095 --> 00:40:37,163 at the worst case scenario 815 00:40:37,165 --> 00:40:39,365 that she can possibly tell you, and you two are like, 816 00:40:39,367 --> 00:40:42,036 eh, you know what... 817 00:40:42,038 --> 00:40:43,672 No, I was raised, when you get knocked down 818 00:40:43,674 --> 00:40:46,408 and get back up again and you fight harder. 819 00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:48,110 It's not the end. 820 00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:52,482 Put a positive spin on it, do our work, and make sure 821 00:40:52,484 --> 00:40:54,452 it's as safe as possible for everybody. 822 00:40:54,454 --> 00:40:57,356 ♪♪ 823 00:40:57,358 --> 00:40:59,759 amy: I wish I had better news for johnny and tiffany, 824 00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:03,397 but unfortunately, their bar sits on cursed land. 825 00:41:03,399 --> 00:41:06,235 I think they'd be better off walking away, 826 00:41:06,237 --> 00:41:08,036 but since they're determined to fight, 827 00:41:08,038 --> 00:41:09,606 they'll need to do daily cleansings 828 00:41:09,608 --> 00:41:12,076 to keep their employees and customers safe. 829 00:41:12,078 --> 00:41:17,649 ♪♪ 830 00:41:17,651 --> 00:41:21,989 since amy and steve came through and helped us understand 831 00:41:21,991 --> 00:41:25,193 the depth of the paranormal activity here 832 00:41:25,195 --> 00:41:27,428 and the history behind it, 833 00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:31,167 johnny and I have since embraced it. 834 00:41:31,169 --> 00:41:34,305 It was really hard to swallow at first, 835 00:41:34,307 --> 00:41:38,010 but along with our friends and loved ones, 836 00:41:38,012 --> 00:41:42,482 we went through, cleansed and blessed the entire bar. 837 00:41:42,484 --> 00:41:45,519 You can feel the positive energy in the air. 838 00:41:45,521 --> 00:41:48,857 Johnny and I are going to continue with our dream 839 00:41:48,859 --> 00:41:50,293 to make this place 840 00:41:50,295 --> 00:41:54,998 and to keep this place an amazing space to come 841 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,737 and enjoy for years and years and generations to come. 842 00:41:59,787 --> 00:42:04,337 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66054

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