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amy:
Evil dead lady likes this place.
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She crawls on the ceilings
and on the walls.
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The ceiling fan just fell
straight to the ground.
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Oh, wow.
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People have been
pushed off of these stairs.
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I am very nervous about the
stairs, just getting shoved.
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He ends up strangling her
to death.
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All right, so this
is a sadistic bastard.
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They like to have people
kill themselves.
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I'm gonna...
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amy: This is not a great place
for living people.
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I'm hearing
the devil's triangle.
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My name is amy allan.
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I see dead people.
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I think he might've
been a stalker.
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I speak to dead people,
and they speak to me.
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He will kill you.
He has killed people.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They're being possessed.
I rely on my partner.
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I'm steve di schiavi.
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I'm a retired new york city
homicide detective.
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How many people died here
over the years?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...Until the very end.
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This sketch is like a nightmare.
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When we uncover
if it's safe for you to stay...
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I never thought that the biggest
problem was me.
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...Or time to get out.
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He could
more than likely kill you.
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steve: So I'm up here
in palatka, florida.
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It's about an hour
south of jacksonville.
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I got a call
from a newlywed named tiffany.
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Now, she told me she didn't
just marry into a new family,
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but into a family business.
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Problem is, the second
she started renovating
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their old bar,
things went crazy.
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She says activity is dangerous,
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but shutting down the bar
is really not an option.
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It's up to me and amy
to figure this one out.
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amy: This is bad.
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There's some dead guy in here,
and he's saying,
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"wait, wait, wait.
I'm not ready for this."
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oh, god, ****.
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I am getting stabbed
from behind.
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Oh lordy, lordy. Okay.
Work through the **** pain.
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steve:
So tiffany, when we spoke on the phone,
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it sounded like this place
is nothing but mayhem.
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What the hell is going on?
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Steve, the paranormal activity
has been so insane here.
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I'm truly concerned
for the safety of our customers
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and for us.
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So tiffany, I understand this
is a family-owned business.
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Tell me a little bit
about that.
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It's been in my husband's
family for 30 years.
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That's my husband johnny,
and this is his father, bob.
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Okay, now is bob
still around?
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He is not. He passed away
several years ago.
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You think
johnny's father
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could be causing
any of the problems here?
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No. This business meant
the world to johnny's dad.
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He would protect us.
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Okay. Give me an idea of what
you guys are experiencing here.
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We feel like
we're being watched.
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There's objects
being thrown,
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and people are being
physically attacked.
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My biggest fear is that someone
be seriously injured,
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somebody could be killed.
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If things are
really that bad,
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why not just move on
to another location?
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Absolutely not.
This is our life.
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This is a do or die situation.
We have to make this work.
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amy:
I'm seeing this evil-looking dead lady.
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She's very thin, petite.
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Her eyes are just
filled with bugs.
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Her hair is really
long and clumpy,
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and I think that people see her.
She's trapped here.
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She crawls on the ceilings
and on the walls.
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I know that she likes
to watch people,
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especially from the ceiling.
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I think that they would feel
the panic and fear. It's bad.
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steve:
All right, so tiffany, what's happening up here?
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I've personally seen
an apparition of a woman.
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Could it have
been a patron?
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Not at all.
We weren't even open yet.
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Okay, so this is something
that looks solid?
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Yes. She had on period-type
clothing.
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What period are
we talking about?
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I would say 1800s.
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The vibe I get is that
this was hers maybe or...
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Like she belonged here?
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Like she belonged here,
correct.
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- Okay.
- Yes.
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Anything else?
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This is insane, but I've seen
this weird shadow figure
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looking thing
walk down the sidewalk,
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and it was
inhumanly tall,
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and it walked right
into the building.
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It just freaked me out.
- Were you drinking? I mean,
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could it have been something
that you were hallucinating?
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No. I was not drinking
that night.
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I had band practice.
I was working.
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All right, so you're seeing
some weird stuff. Anything else?
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I get touched inappropriately
up here,
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like something actually
grabs my bottom.
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I turn around,
and there's no one there.
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All right, so you're not happy
with that, obviously?
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- No.
- Anything else like that?
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One of my biggest concerns
is this staircase right here.
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People have been pushed
off of these stairs.
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Anybody get really hurt?
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Yes. One woman was pretty sure
her ribs were bruised.
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I'm no paranormal expert,
but this is bad.
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You might've dodged
a couple of bullets already.
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Somebody could have
got paralyzed, killed.
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You could lose
the whole bar.
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Absolutely. Steve, this is why
we called you in.
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It's so crucial
that this doesn't happen.
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Their safety is of
utmost important to us.
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amy: I was seeing the evil lady
with two kids, a boy and a girl.
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They look young to me,
four, five, six, maybe.
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They are bad children.
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the kids like to create
and cause accidents.
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I am very nervous
about the stairs with them.
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They like to cause pain, fear,
and touch people --
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kind of inappropriate touching.
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They have mom issues and they go
after females in particular.
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what do you got
going on here?
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There's a very tall shelf, and
there's mugs up on the shelf,
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and they will fly off
and crash on the ground.
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Okay, not saying you have rats
or any kind of varmints,
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but is there a chance
it could be
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some kind of animal
that got up in there?
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There was no animal.
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Multiple people
saw the glass fall.
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All right,
so anything else?
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Feelings
of being anxious.
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That sensation happens
frequently in this area.
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You don't strike me
as an anxious person.
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Not at all, but you can't
help it
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when you feel like
something's watching you.
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Okay, so anything else
over here?
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Sometimes I wonder if I'm being
followed home by something,
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because I do have things
happen outside of the bar.
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So, what kind of experiences
are we talking about?
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Just last night, something
grabbed my foot then twisted.
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It's safe to say
I didn't sleep.
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Not for nothing, you got
a lot of crap going on here.
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Yes. My hope and my prayer
is that
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we can save
my husband's bar
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and create a place
that's safe and happy.
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amy:
Yeah, this is not a great place for living people.
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Evil dead lady likes this place
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and also brings
the children here.
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they're moving stuff, breaking
****, too.
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The kids are working people up.
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They're making them angry,
and they're making them fight.
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I think that people would feel
very manic in this area.
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These kids
are jumping people.
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I think they can
follow people home,
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and the dead lady
will go with the children,
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and affect people
at their homes.
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Matt: What do they do
with them then?
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You know, if the kids
are jumping,
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then it's kind of like
an oppression or possession,
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which could then make people
get sick, go crazy,
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possibly kill themselves.
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so johnny, I was talking
to your wife,
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and obviously she called us in.
- Right.
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And the reason is because
she doesn't feel this building
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is safe
for anybody to be in
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with the paranormal activity,
what's your thoughts on that?
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I'm concerned about it.
You know, we had one person
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that actually physically
got pushed from behind.
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Things like that
just can't happen.
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So talking with your wife
tiffany, she was saying
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that the experiences
are pretty intense now.
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You have anything that
you could tell me about?
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Yeah. Yeah, there's a few
things that's happened.
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My wife and I came in,
we're doing inventory.
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We hear some whistling
and singing in our outback.
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We go out there,
gates are locked.
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Nobody's there.
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Could it have been somebody
on the other side of the wall?
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No, that's
four bricks thick.
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You're not going to hear
anything on the other side
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of the wall.
It's really, really different.
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Okay, so anything else
that you've experienced?
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Late at night, I could
see shadows going by
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in the mirror
during closing.
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And nothing coming
from the outside maybe?
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Nothing coming -- it's 4:00
in the morning, town's dead.
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All right, let me
ask you something.
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How long ago
did your father pass?
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He passed
about 10 years ago.
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- About 10 years ago.
- He was a great man.
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Was he?
What kind of guy was he?
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He was the life of the party.
He liked to throw the parties.
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He would still come in
every night when he was alive.
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- Okay.
- This was his spot.
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How would you feel
if you found out he was?
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I would be reassured that
he's still doing
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what he wanted to do,
you know? Right.
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He's still here.
He's still looking over things.
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Okay.
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Amy:
There's a male who's hiding.
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There's a sense
of ownership here.
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There's a sense of, you know,
back off, it's my space.
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He grabbed my arm,
didn't want me to go over here.
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I don't know why.
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I think he worked here
or something,
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and he's still trying
to do his work.
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I feel like he's
a little bit more recent,
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I'd say in the last,
I don't know,
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seven or eight years, I guess.
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Like, he feels like
a protective person,
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like he's trying to stop me
from seeing anything bad.
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okay, so johnny,
anything else?
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We had a ceiling fan
just like this one here
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fall from right there.
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It just fell straight
to the ground.
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It was one of those things
that it just, for no reason.
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- All right, so it wasn't on?
- It wasn't on,
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but I do have security footage
if you'd like to take a look.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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♪♪
249
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oh, wow.
250
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♪♪
251
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let me ask you something,
was anybody here?
252
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Nobody was here, thankfully.
A couple of days before that,
253
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my wife's band was practicing
right here though.
254
00:12:50,011 --> 00:12:51,510
- Right here?
- Right here.
255
00:12:51,512 --> 00:12:53,146
That's one of the big things
that started to concern me.
256
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I'm like, two days before,
257
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I mean,
it could have fallen on her.
258
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To say you dodged a bullet,
it's an understatement.
259
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- Absolutely.
- With all this stuff going on,
260
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why not just sell it
and open someplace else?
261
00:13:04,662 --> 00:13:06,296
No, that's not
a choice for me.
262
00:13:06,298 --> 00:13:09,734
My parents had it before me,
and it's a staple in palatka,
263
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and it's important to me
that it continues to go.
264
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This is it for me.
265
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Okay.
266
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Amy:
This protective guy, he doesn't like to mess with women.
267
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He goes after men
particularly.
268
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I mean, I think men feel like,
you know, they're being grabbed,
269
00:13:26,925 --> 00:13:33,832
being pushed,
just getting shoved.
270
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I think this person
breaks things, too.
271
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♪♪
272
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so after talking to tiffany
and johnny,
273
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I wanted to see
what their employees
274
00:13:43,547 --> 00:13:45,448
and their customers
had to say.
275
00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:48,518
There's been nights where I see
a man watching the bartender.
276
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I see a silhouette.
It's terrifying.
277
00:13:51,291 --> 00:13:53,692
And each one of them had
experiences more intense
278
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than the last.
279
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I was carrying three cups
in one hand,
280
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and something aggressively
knocked one of the cups
281
00:13:59,301 --> 00:14:02,770
in an upward direction
from my hand.
282
00:14:02,772 --> 00:14:04,773
It always seems like there's
a really tense energy
283
00:14:04,775 --> 00:14:08,411
here in the bar,
like it's ready for a fight.
284
00:14:08,413 --> 00:14:10,881
I saw an apparition
of a man
285
00:14:10,883 --> 00:14:12,684
that walked right
through those doors.
286
00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:14,686
How'd you feel
when you saw that?
287
00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:17,189
I went to finish
and leave.
288
00:14:17,191 --> 00:14:19,726
In fact, I don't think I
finished, I think I just left.
289
00:14:19,728 --> 00:14:21,528
But what's got me
the most concerned
290
00:14:21,530 --> 00:14:23,431
is the physical attacks.
291
00:14:23,433 --> 00:14:25,467
I'd walk out of that room
right there,
292
00:14:25,469 --> 00:14:27,736
and I feel two hands
on my back shoving me
293
00:14:27,738 --> 00:14:29,305
to get out of this room.
294
00:14:29,307 --> 00:14:31,040
Whatever it was,
it just wanted me out.
295
00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:34,512
- Out?
- Right.
296
00:14:34,514 --> 00:14:38,551
The protective guy, he's like,
"I keep trying to help women,
297
00:14:38,553 --> 00:14:40,253
but it goes, like, sideways."
298
00:14:40,255 --> 00:14:44,659
it never goes the way
that he intends or plans.
299
00:14:44,661 --> 00:14:47,395
♪♪
300
00:14:47,397 --> 00:14:50,734
he's ornery towards men, but he
doesn't like guys in his space.
301
00:14:50,736 --> 00:14:53,905
This is his space.
That's his space.
302
00:14:53,907 --> 00:14:57,543
He can be physical,
like pushing, shoving,
303
00:14:57,545 --> 00:15:00,145
grabbing, punching.
304
00:15:00,147 --> 00:15:02,048
I don't think
he would kill a guy,
305
00:15:02,050 --> 00:15:06,520
but might come to, you know,
a couple of blows in there.
306
00:15:06,522 --> 00:15:12,728
♪♪
307
00:15:15,034 --> 00:15:23,210
♪♪
308
00:15:23,212 --> 00:15:26,080
steve:
So before I got to town, I made my usual calls --
309
00:15:26,082 --> 00:15:28,549
historians, authors, cops.
310
00:15:28,551 --> 00:15:30,252
I just got a call back
from an archivist
311
00:15:30,254 --> 00:15:32,121
who did some digging for me.
312
00:15:32,123 --> 00:15:34,724
Now, she says tiffany
and johnny's property
313
00:15:34,726 --> 00:15:37,328
was home to the deadliest
american indian war
314
00:15:37,330 --> 00:15:39,965
in the history
of the united states.
315
00:15:39,967 --> 00:15:47,274
♪♪
316
00:15:47,276 --> 00:15:48,610
steve:
So, betsy, I appreciate you meeting me
317
00:15:48,612 --> 00:15:50,411
and helping me out
with this case.
318
00:15:50,413 --> 00:15:52,248
Before we get
to this big war,
319
00:15:52,250 --> 00:15:53,616
what can you tell me
about the tribe
320
00:15:53,618 --> 00:15:55,285
that used to be
on my client's land?
321
00:15:55,287 --> 00:15:57,554
Yes. Seminole indians had
settlements here
322
00:15:57,556 --> 00:16:01,893
for hundreds of years.
We know that in the 1770s,
323
00:16:01,895 --> 00:16:05,298
there was a trading post
and the white settlers
324
00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:07,901
and the seminole indians
traded.
325
00:16:07,903 --> 00:16:09,770
We know that
there were happy times,
326
00:16:09,772 --> 00:16:11,973
but all of the peacefulness
and the coexistence
327
00:16:11,975 --> 00:16:13,308
ended when the government
came in
328
00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:15,878
and tried to kick the seminole
indians out of florida.
329
00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,348
Okay, so that's when they got
the bad blood started?
330
00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:21,619
Yes, it was in
December of 1835,
331
00:16:21,621 --> 00:16:23,422
the seminole indians
came in and burned
332
00:16:23,424 --> 00:16:25,591
what was palatka
settlement.
333
00:16:25,593 --> 00:16:28,428
Immediately, the federal
government stepped in,
334
00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:32,066
took over palatka and then
started building fort shannon,
335
00:16:32,068 --> 00:16:34,303
so that was built
in 1836.
336
00:16:34,305 --> 00:16:39,143
And so your client's property is
part of that military outpost.
337
00:16:39,145 --> 00:16:40,711
Now, who would have been
stationed here?
338
00:16:40,713 --> 00:16:43,114
There would have been
anywhere from 100 to 400
339
00:16:43,116 --> 00:16:45,083
u.S. Military personnel.
340
00:16:45,085 --> 00:16:48,554
This base held not only
the wounded and the sick,
341
00:16:48,556 --> 00:16:50,991
but also people
here being --
342
00:16:50,993 --> 00:16:53,161
waiting to be dispatched
to go into battle.
343
00:16:53,163 --> 00:16:54,862
I got to assume a lot
of people died here.
344
00:16:54,864 --> 00:16:58,768
Yes. This was the worst
indian war
345
00:16:58,770 --> 00:17:00,937
in the history
of the united states.
346
00:17:00,939 --> 00:17:03,874
We estimate around
3,000 seminole indians
347
00:17:03,876 --> 00:17:07,012
died during that war
and around 1600 u.S. Troops.
348
00:17:07,014 --> 00:17:09,282
Okay. When
did it all end?
349
00:17:09,284 --> 00:17:12,519
Well, the seminole indian war
ended in 1842
350
00:17:12,521 --> 00:17:14,656
when the seminole indians agreed
to sign a treaty
351
00:17:14,658 --> 00:17:16,291
with the u.S.
Federal government,
352
00:17:16,293 --> 00:17:20,162
and most of them
were relocated to oklahoma.
353
00:17:20,164 --> 00:17:22,566
- They got a crappy deal.
- Yes.
354
00:17:22,568 --> 00:17:24,135
You know, betsy,
looking at this place now
355
00:17:24,137 --> 00:17:25,870
and how beautiful it is,
it's hard to imagine
356
00:17:25,872 --> 00:17:28,941
this small piece of land
held so much bloodshed.
357
00:17:28,943 --> 00:17:31,044
Yes. Many
people died here.
358
00:17:31,046 --> 00:17:34,048
♪♪
359
00:17:34,050 --> 00:17:37,119
amy:
There's a lot of death here, man.
360
00:17:37,121 --> 00:17:39,989
Something with
partnerships here, bad.
361
00:17:39,991 --> 00:17:42,525
They always go bad.
362
00:17:42,527 --> 00:17:45,863
Feeling like a lot of death
within these partnerships.
363
00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:53,607
I'm hearing gunshots.
I'm feeling panic and gunshots.
364
00:17:53,609 --> 00:17:56,744
But I guess whatever
this situation is,
365
00:17:56,746 --> 00:17:59,915
it seems to have started a chain
of events, they're saying.
366
00:17:59,917 --> 00:18:02,085
See they keep throwing
that word around
367
00:18:02,087 --> 00:18:03,186
and I don't want to say it.
368
00:18:03,188 --> 00:18:05,256
- What word?
- Cursed.
369
00:18:07,693 --> 00:18:09,528
Steve: All right.
So far, I've got clients worried
370
00:18:09,530 --> 00:18:12,365
about the safety
of their employees and guests
371
00:18:12,367 --> 00:18:16,003
in an area with nearly
5,000 people died in a war,
372
00:18:16,005 --> 00:18:18,306
but I want to see
if there's anything else.
373
00:18:18,308 --> 00:18:21,009
Looking through old records,
I find one of the former owners
374
00:18:21,011 --> 00:18:22,912
of tiffany and johnny's
property.
375
00:18:22,914 --> 00:18:24,848
Turns out,
she helped save palatka
376
00:18:24,850 --> 00:18:28,152
from being destroyed
during the civil war.
377
00:18:28,154 --> 00:18:32,124
So, I managed to track down this
woman's great, great grandson.
378
00:18:32,126 --> 00:18:34,594
He says when
she wasn't burying kids,
379
00:18:34,596 --> 00:18:37,198
she was fighting her abusive
crook of a husband,
380
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,366
just to keep ahold
of tiffany's property.
381
00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:45,241
♪♪
382
00:18:45,243 --> 00:18:47,144
steve:
Mike, I appreciate you taking the time to meet with me.
383
00:18:47,146 --> 00:18:48,345
Mike:
My pleasure.
384
00:18:48,347 --> 00:18:49,746
So you mentioned on the phone
that your great,
385
00:18:49,749 --> 00:18:52,016
great grandmother
was quite a woman.
386
00:18:52,018 --> 00:18:53,486
What can you tell me
about her?
387
00:18:53,488 --> 00:18:56,356
Well, her name was
mary emily dunham boyd.
388
00:18:56,358 --> 00:18:59,827
Here are a couple
of pictures of mary emily.
389
00:18:59,829 --> 00:19:03,098
And she had married one of
the big wigs in the town,
390
00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:05,133
robert t. Boyd.
- Okay.
391
00:19:05,135 --> 00:19:06,769
After she married
robert t.,
392
00:19:06,771 --> 00:19:11,242
they moved into a big house that
he had built on the property
393
00:19:11,244 --> 00:19:13,545
that you're investigating.
394
00:19:13,547 --> 00:19:15,281
During my research,
I found out
395
00:19:15,283 --> 00:19:18,284
that she basically
saved the town.
396
00:19:18,286 --> 00:19:21,823
That's what she's pretty much
known for to this day.
397
00:19:21,825 --> 00:19:26,829
Back during the civil war,
in October of 1862,
398
00:19:26,831 --> 00:19:30,233
there was quite a lot of naval
activity out on the river --
399
00:19:30,235 --> 00:19:32,637
union gunboats
and things like that.
400
00:19:32,639 --> 00:19:35,507
There were also some
confederate soldiers
401
00:19:35,509 --> 00:19:38,278
hiding out in the hills
behind the town,
402
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,449
and one of the boats
fired a few shots over the town,
403
00:19:42,451 --> 00:19:44,920
scared the dickens
out of the population.
404
00:19:44,922 --> 00:19:47,490
Mary emily couldn't find
a man who would go out
405
00:19:47,492 --> 00:19:50,126
and try to stop
the shooting,
406
00:19:50,128 --> 00:19:52,162
so she decided
she'd do it herself,
407
00:19:52,164 --> 00:19:55,099
and she negotiated
a truce.
408
00:19:55,101 --> 00:19:57,403
The confederate soldiers
went away.
409
00:19:57,405 --> 00:20:00,574
So she basically saved
the town from getting bombed.
410
00:20:00,576 --> 00:20:02,042
Pretty much did, yes.
411
00:20:02,044 --> 00:20:04,345
Now, you mentioned
she lost some kids.
412
00:20:04,347 --> 00:20:09,652
Yes, between
1854 and 1867,
413
00:20:09,654 --> 00:20:14,258
mary lost three of her four kids
before the age of three.
414
00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:16,061
And this all happened
on my client's property?
415
00:20:16,063 --> 00:20:17,662
Yes.
416
00:20:17,664 --> 00:20:22,068
♪♪
417
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:26,507
amy: I'm seeing that evil
dead lady again.
418
00:20:26,509 --> 00:20:30,479
I feel like she is directly
related to this location.
419
00:20:30,481 --> 00:20:34,084
With her,
I'm getting 1890 to 1917.
420
00:20:34,086 --> 00:20:36,754
♪♪
421
00:20:36,756 --> 00:20:38,991
she's saying something about,
"it hurts."
422
00:20:38,993 --> 00:20:41,059
she's like, "it hurts.
It hurts so much.
423
00:20:41,061 --> 00:20:43,029
It hurts so much."
424
00:20:43,031 --> 00:20:45,032
I am hearing a woman sobbing.
425
00:20:45,034 --> 00:20:46,834
I think the living
would hear this.
426
00:20:46,836 --> 00:20:48,236
I think that the living
would feel
427
00:20:48,238 --> 00:20:52,041
this horrible depression
and loss.
428
00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:55,512
I think her kids died
really young.
429
00:20:55,514 --> 00:21:00,753
I also see her being attacked.
Ooh, I don't know,
430
00:21:00,755 --> 00:21:04,658
I see like a guy on top of her.
I think he beat her,
431
00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:09,096
and psychologically,
it's damaging.
432
00:21:11,268 --> 00:21:13,836
Now, you mentioned on the phone
mary's husband, robert,
433
00:21:13,838 --> 00:21:16,874
wasn't the greatest guy,
what can you tell me about him?
434
00:21:16,876 --> 00:21:18,976
He got in trouble
with his business.
435
00:21:18,978 --> 00:21:21,413
He and his partner
were lumbermen.
436
00:21:21,415 --> 00:21:24,150
He was accused
of cutting timber
437
00:21:24,152 --> 00:21:26,953
on federal government
land illegally.
438
00:21:26,955 --> 00:21:28,321
Okay.
439
00:21:28,323 --> 00:21:31,859
So he was just fending off
one lawsuit after another.
440
00:21:31,861 --> 00:21:33,328
During all this mess
that was going on,
441
00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:34,963
what happens
to my client's property?
442
00:21:34,965 --> 00:21:38,401
The government of course
wanted to go after that, too,
443
00:21:38,403 --> 00:21:40,404
but robert kind
of outsmarted them,
444
00:21:40,406 --> 00:21:42,841
because a year before this
all came to a head,
445
00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:45,745
he signed the house,
your client's property,
446
00:21:45,747 --> 00:21:50,317
over to his wife,
so it remained with her.
447
00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:53,321
So we know he's shady,
but was he a good family man?
448
00:21:53,323 --> 00:21:57,193
No. He had a violent,
uncontrollable temper.
449
00:21:57,195 --> 00:22:02,033
And finally, by 1876,
she filed for divorce.
450
00:22:02,035 --> 00:22:04,670
Three years later,
robert t. Died.
451
00:22:04,672 --> 00:22:05,704
What happens to mary?
452
00:22:05,706 --> 00:22:09,576
She and some of her kids
and grandkids
453
00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:12,113
all lived together
in the property
454
00:22:12,115 --> 00:22:15,150
that you're investigating
for close to 40 more years.
455
00:22:15,152 --> 00:22:18,354
She finally died
of a stroke in 1917.
456
00:22:18,356 --> 00:22:19,622
She had a sad life.
457
00:22:19,624 --> 00:22:24,629
Yeah, but it did have
its good moments.
458
00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:28,467
♪♪
459
00:22:28,469 --> 00:22:32,272
amy: There's two dead guys
who are dressed really well.
460
00:22:32,274 --> 00:22:34,876
One of them is
the evil lady's husband.
461
00:22:34,878 --> 00:22:36,478
I do get smuggling.
462
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,416
♪♪
463
00:22:40,418 --> 00:22:41,684
they're flicking money.
464
00:22:41,686 --> 00:22:45,556
They might have been
some kind of partnership
465
00:22:45,558 --> 00:22:48,861
but **** goes wrong between
partnerships here.
466
00:22:48,863 --> 00:22:50,530
Do you know why
partnerships go bad here?
467
00:22:50,532 --> 00:22:52,566
Like, I kept
hearing curse.
468
00:22:52,568 --> 00:22:59,074
♪♪
469
00:23:01,445 --> 00:23:02,445
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470
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471
00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:05,750
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472
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473
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474
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475
00:23:14,095 --> 00:23:21,571
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476
00:23:21,573 --> 00:23:24,541
so another thing caught
my attention in research.
477
00:23:24,543 --> 00:23:27,579
One of the most prolific serial
killers in florida history
478
00:23:27,581 --> 00:23:29,848
was born right here in palatka.
479
00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:32,151
So, I'm headed over to meet
a local detective
480
00:23:32,153 --> 00:23:35,222
who says not only did this sick
bastard live down the block
481
00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:36,958
from tiffany and john's
property,
482
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,093
he may have even
drank at their bar.
483
00:23:39,095 --> 00:23:45,468
♪♪
484
00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:47,638
steve:
So mark, thanks for helping me out with this case.
485
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,941
Before we get to the murders,
what do we know about this guy?
486
00:23:49,943 --> 00:23:52,510
This guy's name was
william darrell lindsey.
487
00:23:52,512 --> 00:23:56,617
People called him "red bird"
because of his red hair.
488
00:23:56,619 --> 00:23:58,886
He was born
in palatka in 1935.
489
00:23:58,888 --> 00:24:01,556
He worked multiple
manual labor jobs,
490
00:24:01,558 --> 00:24:04,293
construction work, mechanic,
stuff like that.
491
00:24:04,295 --> 00:24:06,196
For a while, he was living
downtown palatka,
492
00:24:06,198 --> 00:24:07,864
which is probably
about three blocks
493
00:24:07,866 --> 00:24:09,367
from your client's property.
- All right.
494
00:24:09,369 --> 00:24:11,168
So since he lived so close
to my client's property,
495
00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:12,638
that's probably what you meant
when you told me
496
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,539
that he probably drank there
at some point.
497
00:24:14,541 --> 00:24:16,009
Oh, yeah.
He was a raging alcoholic.
498
00:24:16,011 --> 00:24:17,977
He was a drug abuser.
The guy was a womanizer.
499
00:24:17,979 --> 00:24:20,247
He was chasing women
all over the bars in palatka.
500
00:24:20,249 --> 00:24:23,051
I'm sure that he frequented that
bar at least a couple times.
501
00:24:23,053 --> 00:24:25,621
All right. The murders,
what happened?
502
00:24:25,623 --> 00:24:27,123
Well, the first murder
that we know of
503
00:24:27,125 --> 00:24:29,459
was in 1983 over
in st. Augustine.
504
00:24:29,461 --> 00:24:31,129
So he meets
his lady at a bar.
505
00:24:31,131 --> 00:24:33,331
They go down to the beach
and have sex.
506
00:24:33,333 --> 00:24:35,267
He ends up
strangling her to death,
507
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:37,938
takes her out to the woods,
and throws her in a pit.
508
00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:40,708
Okay. So what happens
after that one?
509
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:44,246
It's 1988, he picks up
a prostitute in st. Augustine,
510
00:24:44,248 --> 00:24:47,050
rapes her, beats her
to death with a board,
511
00:24:47,052 --> 00:24:49,252
he puts cigarette burns
all over her body,
512
00:24:49,254 --> 00:24:51,755
and he leaves bite marks
on her on top of that.
513
00:24:51,757 --> 00:24:53,992
All right, so this is a sadistic
bastard we're talking about.
514
00:24:53,994 --> 00:24:55,260
Got to be.
Got to be.
515
00:24:55,262 --> 00:24:56,929
I know he eventually
gets caught.
516
00:24:56,931 --> 00:24:58,264
How's that all go down?
517
00:24:58,266 --> 00:25:00,934
So in 1996, he gets caught
and he's arrested up
518
00:25:00,936 --> 00:25:03,304
in north carolina
for a murder.
519
00:25:03,306 --> 00:25:07,042
He confesses to murdering
12 people down here.
520
00:25:07,044 --> 00:25:10,113
They believe that he's
responsible for eight more.
521
00:25:10,115 --> 00:25:12,350
Okay, so what did this rat
bastard wind up getting?
522
00:25:12,352 --> 00:25:15,319
Ultimately, he cops
to a plea deal.
523
00:25:15,321 --> 00:25:19,092
The plea deal is they give him
30 years in prison.
524
00:25:19,094 --> 00:25:21,394
-30 years?
-30 years for eight people.
525
00:25:21,396 --> 00:25:22,796
He deserved worse.
526
00:25:22,798 --> 00:25:24,064
He goes to prison
for five years,
527
00:25:24,066 --> 00:25:25,533
and then he died
of cancer.
528
00:25:25,535 --> 00:25:28,036
66 years of age.
Cheated the hangman.
529
00:25:28,038 --> 00:25:29,305
He did.
530
00:25:29,307 --> 00:25:30,840
Here's a photo of him
right before he died.
531
00:25:30,842 --> 00:25:33,610
All right, so this rat bastard
didn't get his just desserts?
532
00:25:33,612 --> 00:25:35,213
Nope, didn't.
533
00:25:35,215 --> 00:25:38,650
♪♪
534
00:25:38,652 --> 00:25:42,689
amy:
I see a female being attacked.
535
00:25:42,691 --> 00:25:45,493
She's feeling the pain, pain,
pain, pain, pain pain,
536
00:25:45,495 --> 00:25:47,094
and then it's lights out.
537
00:25:47,096 --> 00:25:51,868
♪♪
538
00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:57,942
I think there was damage on
the left side of her head, face.
539
00:25:57,944 --> 00:26:00,946
There's damage indicating
I think bludgeoning.
540
00:26:00,948 --> 00:26:03,784
♪♪
541
00:26:03,786 --> 00:26:05,419
any idea
when that was?
542
00:26:05,421 --> 00:26:09,424
Amy:
I'd place her anywhere from '80s to now based on her outfit.
543
00:26:11,762 --> 00:26:15,565
This woman is being taken,
taken away.
544
00:26:15,567 --> 00:26:17,268
It happened very fast.
545
00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:19,938
♪♪
546
00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:23,376
I feel like a lot of loss.
Confusion.
547
00:26:23,378 --> 00:26:24,944
It feels like she was here
all the time,
548
00:26:24,946 --> 00:26:27,381
all the time,
this chick who got taken.
549
00:26:28,451 --> 00:26:31,886
All the sudden,
there's this psycho-looking guy.
550
00:26:31,888 --> 00:26:34,957
I put him in his late 30s,
early 40s.
551
00:26:34,959 --> 00:26:38,028
He's got kind of a brown,
reddish kind of hair.
552
00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:43,001
He has a mutant kind of smile.
It was like distorted.
553
00:26:43,003 --> 00:26:46,106
He seemed like a guy
who worked with his hands.
554
00:26:46,108 --> 00:26:48,275
I caught a glimpse
of him in jail
555
00:26:48,277 --> 00:26:49,443
with his head shaved.
556
00:26:49,445 --> 00:26:52,147
♪♪
557
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:53,181
he's a killer.
558
00:26:53,183 --> 00:26:59,857
♪♪
559
00:26:59,859 --> 00:27:02,594
I saw a lot of disturbing things
on my walk,
560
00:27:02,596 --> 00:27:04,563
but the dead kids
pushing people down
561
00:27:04,565 --> 00:27:07,767
the stairs concerns me the most.
562
00:27:07,769 --> 00:27:11,973
There's these two dead kids
there, a boy and a girl.
563
00:27:11,975 --> 00:27:16,211
And there's like a living male
falling in the air.
564
00:27:16,213 --> 00:27:17,313
Okay.
565
00:27:17,315 --> 00:27:19,182
The stairs go down this way.
566
00:27:19,184 --> 00:27:20,784
Oh.
567
00:27:20,786 --> 00:27:28,361
♪♪
568
00:27:28,363 --> 00:27:32,901
- amy, is this what you saw?
- Yes, that's what I saw.
569
00:27:32,903 --> 00:27:37,640
♪♪
570
00:27:39,978 --> 00:27:46,652
♪♪
571
00:27:46,654 --> 00:27:53,327
♪♪
572
00:27:53,329 --> 00:27:56,298
steve: Now that amy and I have
completed our investigations,
573
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,568
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
574
00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:01,305
and our clients
for the first time.
575
00:28:01,307 --> 00:28:04,742
So amy, I'd like you to meet
tiffany and her husband, johnny.
576
00:28:04,744 --> 00:28:08,480
Now, this bar has been
in johnny's family for decades,
577
00:28:08,482 --> 00:28:10,849
but after these two got married
around three years ago
578
00:28:10,851 --> 00:28:13,220
and then decided
to do renovations here,
579
00:28:13,222 --> 00:28:14,789
all hell broke loose.
580
00:28:14,791 --> 00:28:17,459
Tiffany called us in because
the activity's gotten violent,
581
00:28:17,461 --> 00:28:20,964
and she doesn't think it's safe
for anybody to be here.
582
00:28:20,966 --> 00:28:22,966
So now that amy knows
a little bit about you guys,
583
00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:24,835
I'll ask her to describe
her walk.
584
00:28:24,837 --> 00:28:28,473
♪♪
585
00:28:28,475 --> 00:28:31,244
amy:
So the first thing I'm going to talk about is partnerships
586
00:28:31,246 --> 00:28:33,480
and how they always
go bad here.
587
00:28:33,482 --> 00:28:36,884
And I was trying to figure out
why is this something
588
00:28:36,886 --> 00:28:40,222
that keeps repeating itself
specific to this location?
589
00:28:40,224 --> 00:28:43,360
And I kept getting
the word "curse."
590
00:28:43,362 --> 00:28:46,130
the things that I feel is
591
00:28:46,132 --> 00:28:49,635
it's not just necessarily
to this building,
592
00:28:49,637 --> 00:28:53,806
but it seems like the entire
town's being held back.
593
00:28:53,808 --> 00:28:57,845
It's funny because in the past,
amy's talked about curses
594
00:28:57,847 --> 00:29:02,318
and usually associated a lot
with the native americans.
595
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,054
What I came across was that
this land we're sitting on
596
00:29:05,056 --> 00:29:07,557
was part of the seminole
indian settlement,
597
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,093
and they'd been here
for hundreds of years.
598
00:29:09,095 --> 00:29:10,928
Believe it or not, though,
when the white settlers first
599
00:29:10,930 --> 00:29:12,298
came here during the 1700s,
600
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,669
they got along fine.
They traded. They hung out.
601
00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:18,172
But come the 1800s,
the government,
602
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:20,708
they tried to get the whole
seminole nation out of here,
603
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:22,744
and it kind of pissed them off.
604
00:29:22,746 --> 00:29:26,783
And in 1835,
they burnt this town down,
605
00:29:26,785 --> 00:29:29,153
so by the time
the war ended in 1842,
606
00:29:29,155 --> 00:29:31,356
you had 3,000 dead seminoles
607
00:29:31,358 --> 00:29:34,860
and you had 1,600 dead
u.S. Government troops.
608
00:29:34,862 --> 00:29:37,631
That war was considered,
right here on your land,
609
00:29:37,633 --> 00:29:40,201
was considered the costliest war
610
00:29:40,203 --> 00:29:43,839
between native americans
and u.S. Settlers.
611
00:29:43,841 --> 00:29:46,375
That finally ended at them
signing a treaty
612
00:29:46,377 --> 00:29:49,112
to get displaced,
and they went from florida,
613
00:29:49,114 --> 00:29:51,148
they stuck their asses
in oklahoma.
614
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:53,418
So do you think it's possible
the seminole people
615
00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:54,920
put a curse on this land?
616
00:29:54,922 --> 00:29:58,458
Yeah, I do. I think
that's the logical conclusion.
617
00:29:58,460 --> 00:30:01,161
It makes total sense.
618
00:30:01,163 --> 00:30:05,433
Something's just not
right with the town.
619
00:30:05,435 --> 00:30:07,303
Steve:
Okay. So what else you got?
620
00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:11,608
One of the dead that I
encountered was on this floor.
621
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:13,711
So I'm walking over there
and he was like,
622
00:30:13,713 --> 00:30:15,280
"whoa, whoa, whoa, back off."
623
00:30:15,282 --> 00:30:19,886
and that indicated to me
that this was his place,
624
00:30:19,888 --> 00:30:22,056
possibly when he was alive.
625
00:30:22,058 --> 00:30:24,091
It got that his death
was pretty recent
626
00:30:24,093 --> 00:30:27,997
within the last
8 to 10 years.
627
00:30:27,999 --> 00:30:29,966
Are we all thinking
the same thing?
628
00:30:29,968 --> 00:30:31,635
I am.
629
00:30:31,637 --> 00:30:34,138
So it sounds like the person
you may be talking about
630
00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:35,640
is johnny's dad.
631
00:30:35,642 --> 00:30:38,444
He owned this place
over 20 years.
632
00:30:38,446 --> 00:30:39,912
Oh, wow. Okay.
633
00:30:39,914 --> 00:30:41,415
Steve:
Your dad passed away how long ago?
634
00:30:41,417 --> 00:30:44,619
10 years ago. He was
the life of the party.
635
00:30:44,621 --> 00:30:46,187
He loved being here.
636
00:30:46,189 --> 00:30:48,690
That's why this is not
just a bar for you.
637
00:30:48,692 --> 00:30:52,228
To keep it going
is paramount for me.
638
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:54,899
He's extremely protective
of women.
639
00:30:54,901 --> 00:30:57,002
If a guy's getting pissy
towards a woman,
640
00:30:57,004 --> 00:31:01,174
like, he has no problem being
like, pushing or shoving.
641
00:31:01,176 --> 00:31:02,475
Does that sound like your pop?
642
00:31:02,477 --> 00:31:06,079
Yeah. He would definitely
be a protector for sure.
643
00:31:06,081 --> 00:31:09,518
I also thought though that
people might be able to see him,
644
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,188
because obviously he
can get really physical.
645
00:31:12,190 --> 00:31:15,158
I've seen a man,
I've actually followed a man
646
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,196
that's about his height
and stature
647
00:31:18,198 --> 00:31:19,965
thinking that
it was him.
648
00:31:19,967 --> 00:31:23,603
Actually I have a photo of him
and johnny together,
649
00:31:23,605 --> 00:31:28,175
which is a really great photo.
That's his dad right here.
650
00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:31,279
So do you think the guy
that you saw is johnny's dad?
651
00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:34,383
Amy:
More than likely. Yeah.
652
00:31:34,385 --> 00:31:36,520
If he's coming back to look
over the place
653
00:31:36,522 --> 00:31:39,090
because he enjoyed being here,
I'm okay with that.
654
00:31:39,092 --> 00:31:41,760
♪♪
655
00:31:41,762 --> 00:31:44,831
- all right, so what else?
- This next dead person
656
00:31:44,833 --> 00:31:47,567
that I'm going
to talk about is a female.
657
00:31:47,569 --> 00:31:50,838
She's one of the more active
dead people here.
658
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,979
She's creepy. She does invoke,
like, the fear response.
659
00:31:55,981 --> 00:32:00,184
So a sudden onset of fear
and anxiety for no reason.
660
00:32:00,186 --> 00:32:03,121
But I felt like you guys
would see her
661
00:32:03,123 --> 00:32:05,858
because she's so active here.
662
00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:07,394
You saw an apparition
of a woman.
663
00:32:07,396 --> 00:32:09,429
Explain to amy what you saw.
664
00:32:09,431 --> 00:32:11,232
She was in a period dress.
665
00:32:11,234 --> 00:32:15,237
The woman that I saw.
I've seen her multiple times.
666
00:32:15,239 --> 00:32:16,840
Now, we talked
about anxiety.
667
00:32:16,842 --> 00:32:18,875
Yeah, I've had
that happen,
668
00:32:18,877 --> 00:32:22,380
and it's like
all of a sudden this rush.
669
00:32:22,382 --> 00:32:26,386
She was always climbing
the walls and the ceilings.
670
00:32:26,388 --> 00:32:29,557
She likes to watch people
from up there.
671
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,360
I think that living people
would feel this.
672
00:32:32,362 --> 00:32:34,129
Feel like
you're being watched.
673
00:32:34,131 --> 00:32:35,765
When I spoke to
some of your employees,
674
00:32:35,767 --> 00:32:39,803
a lot of them were saying
that they felt watched.
675
00:32:39,805 --> 00:32:41,471
So I'm assuming it's got
to be this woman.
676
00:32:41,473 --> 00:32:42,874
Yeah.
677
00:32:42,876 --> 00:32:45,911
Now you described something
you saw across the street.
678
00:32:45,913 --> 00:32:48,448
Tell amy what you saw when you
guys were hanging out outside.
679
00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:55,857
I saw a in-humanly large shadow
thing with really long arms,
680
00:32:55,859 --> 00:32:59,262
but was taller than the
buildings across the street.
681
00:32:59,264 --> 00:33:00,463
Okay.
682
00:33:00,465 --> 00:33:04,134
And it was walking down
the sidewalk towards me.
683
00:33:04,136 --> 00:33:06,237
She was shaken.
684
00:33:06,239 --> 00:33:10,443
That was horrific,
whatever it was.
685
00:33:10,445 --> 00:33:13,080
Okay, that definitely
was not this woman.
686
00:33:13,082 --> 00:33:15,149
I've seen something
similar to that.
687
00:33:15,151 --> 00:33:18,787
It's called a watcher,
and it was associated
688
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:22,792
with a native american
location that was cursed.
689
00:33:22,794 --> 00:33:24,495
- That's scary.
- I know.
690
00:33:24,497 --> 00:33:29,101
And when they're that big,
it's, it's, yeah.
691
00:33:29,103 --> 00:33:31,304
So we know that that shadow
is not the woman,
692
00:33:31,306 --> 00:33:32,605
and we think
it's the indian curse.
693
00:33:32,607 --> 00:33:36,177
Yes.
694
00:33:36,179 --> 00:33:38,780
So, this woman,
you get any idea
695
00:33:38,782 --> 00:33:40,383
about who she might have been
when she was alive?
696
00:33:40,385 --> 00:33:46,024
There definitely was a direct
connection to this property.
697
00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:50,095
I don't know if she owned it
or lived here and she was crying
698
00:33:50,097 --> 00:33:52,632
and she just kind of fell
to her knees and was like,
699
00:33:52,634 --> 00:33:55,670
"why? Oh, god, why?"
700
00:33:55,672 --> 00:34:00,142
there was a loss
that she suffered
701
00:34:00,144 --> 00:34:02,245
and I was leaning
towards children.
702
00:34:02,247 --> 00:34:03,479
She's extremely
depressed.
703
00:34:03,481 --> 00:34:06,483
She always carries
sadness with her
704
00:34:06,485 --> 00:34:10,021
and the timeframe of her dying
is the 1920s.
705
00:34:10,023 --> 00:34:13,025
Steve:
Well, it's not a lot to go on, but some of the things you said
706
00:34:13,027 --> 00:34:17,899
reminded me of one of the really
early owners of the property.
707
00:34:17,901 --> 00:34:19,333
Her name was mary boyd,
708
00:34:19,335 --> 00:34:22,271
and she moved here
with her husband back in 1851.
709
00:34:22,273 --> 00:34:23,772
Short time after
they moved here,
710
00:34:23,774 --> 00:34:26,443
her husband and his business
partner got into trouble.
711
00:34:26,445 --> 00:34:29,280
So the government wind up
seizing all the guy's property.
712
00:34:29,282 --> 00:34:33,018
So to protect it, he wound up
signing this property
713
00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:34,454
over to mary.
714
00:34:34,456 --> 00:34:36,022
Mary got to keep the property,
715
00:34:36,024 --> 00:34:39,928
but her life was pretty rough
from that point forward.
716
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:42,163
First of all, her husband
was an abusive ****
717
00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:43,432
and like the woman you saw,
718
00:34:43,434 --> 00:34:45,601
she lost three kids,
two boys and a girl
719
00:34:45,603 --> 00:34:47,204
and all the kids
were under the age of three.
720
00:34:47,206 --> 00:34:49,372
In 1876,
721
00:34:49,374 --> 00:34:51,676
she had enough of the abuse
from this guy, and she left him.
722
00:34:51,678 --> 00:34:53,879
- Good for her.
- Yeah.
723
00:34:53,881 --> 00:34:56,516
Steve: She ended up buying
at her daughter's house
724
00:34:56,518 --> 00:34:58,953
that's only a couple of blocks
from here,
725
00:34:58,955 --> 00:35:01,922
and she died
of a stroke in 1917,
726
00:35:01,924 --> 00:35:03,759
and she was 87 years old
when she died
727
00:35:03,761 --> 00:35:06,329
and I got a couple
of photos of mary,
728
00:35:06,331 --> 00:35:12,370
but she wasn't young, and this
is her with some grandkids.
729
00:35:12,372 --> 00:35:17,576
This dead woman
has these two dead kids
730
00:35:17,578 --> 00:35:20,313
with her
the majority of the time.
731
00:35:20,315 --> 00:35:22,350
One's a male
and one's a female.
732
00:35:22,352 --> 00:35:24,987
I put them at four
to five years of age.
733
00:35:24,989 --> 00:35:28,825
So they're little psychopaths.
They're extremely physical.
734
00:35:28,827 --> 00:35:30,760
They like
to touch people.
735
00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:34,432
They have mom issues and they go
after females in particular.
736
00:35:34,434 --> 00:35:36,968
Kind of inappropriate touching.
737
00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:40,641
So my butt's
been grabbed a lot.
738
00:35:40,643 --> 00:35:44,045
Oh, this is
not a good situation.
739
00:35:44,047 --> 00:35:47,516
They are very active here
in the main bar.
740
00:35:47,518 --> 00:35:50,086
These are the ones
who are moving,
741
00:35:50,088 --> 00:35:52,856
breaking,
harming things.
742
00:35:52,858 --> 00:35:56,929
Up here on this shelf
where all the mugs are,
743
00:35:56,931 --> 00:36:00,767
one of them flew off
and shattered on the floor
744
00:36:00,769 --> 00:36:05,039
in between two folks
that were shooting pool.
745
00:36:05,041 --> 00:36:08,009
The most concerning thing
that these kids do
746
00:36:08,011 --> 00:36:09,478
is they have a game
747
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,884
and it's a challenge game of who
could cause the best accidents.
748
00:36:13,886 --> 00:36:16,621
Tell amy about the fan.
749
00:36:16,623 --> 00:36:18,858
The fan in the middle
of the day,
750
00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:25,600
not on, nobody around just fell.
There was no wood damage.
751
00:36:25,602 --> 00:36:27,969
There's no water damage
in that area.
752
00:36:27,971 --> 00:36:31,206
There's no termites.
It just fell out of the roof.
753
00:36:31,208 --> 00:36:34,310
Johnny actually gave me video.
I'll show you.
754
00:36:34,312 --> 00:36:37,514
So watch this area here.
755
00:36:37,516 --> 00:36:42,088
It's coming out. Boom.
That's pretty dangerous.
756
00:36:42,090 --> 00:36:46,994
They're all about fear,
chaos, and pain.
757
00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:50,231
I also saw them pushing people
by the staircase.
758
00:36:50,233 --> 00:36:53,102
We've had two people
that we know of that have been
759
00:36:53,104 --> 00:36:55,972
pushed down the stairs
and injured pretty good.
760
00:36:55,974 --> 00:36:58,943
- Did they feel hands?
- Yes.
761
00:36:58,945 --> 00:37:03,081
I did have a sketch of what
I saw them doing on the stairs.
762
00:37:03,083 --> 00:37:10,592
♪♪
763
00:37:10,594 --> 00:37:13,462
interesting.
764
00:37:13,464 --> 00:37:19,202
Wow. I knew it.
This is terrible.
765
00:37:19,204 --> 00:37:24,944
I'm so grateful that
somebody wasn't killed.
766
00:37:24,946 --> 00:37:29,183
Now, what worries me though is
they know how to attach
767
00:37:29,185 --> 00:37:32,421
so they can go home
with you.
768
00:37:32,423 --> 00:37:37,093
So at home that night, it felt
like my foot had been grabbed
769
00:37:37,095 --> 00:37:40,965
and twisted
the wrong way three times.
770
00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:42,934
So is it possible that these
kids followed her home?
771
00:37:42,936 --> 00:37:48,275
Yes, they're very cunning
and manipulative.
772
00:37:48,277 --> 00:37:50,644
They like to jump people.
They like to
773
00:37:50,646 --> 00:37:53,881
**** with your thoughts,
making people mentally unsound,
774
00:37:53,883 --> 00:37:57,687
and they like to have people
kill themselves.
775
00:37:57,689 --> 00:38:04,329
Lovely. I just knew there was
a lot here, but I had no idea.
776
00:38:05,733 --> 00:38:08,201
Can I have a minute?
- Sure.
777
00:38:08,203 --> 00:38:16,144
♪♪
778
00:38:19,117 --> 00:38:26,658
♪♪
779
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,027
so, johnny, tiffany,
780
00:38:28,029 --> 00:38:30,563
I know how important
this place is to both of you.
781
00:38:30,565 --> 00:38:32,332
So now for the obvious question,
782
00:38:32,334 --> 00:38:36,138
is there any way you can make
this place safe for you,
783
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:38,140
your employees,
and your patrons,
784
00:38:38,142 --> 00:38:41,778
or will you just be
gambling with your lives?
785
00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:44,415
So for that answer, I'm going
to turn it over to amy.
786
00:38:44,417 --> 00:38:48,386
♪♪
787
00:38:48,388 --> 00:38:51,557
I know you're not going to like
what I have to say.
788
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,694
I understand
the want to remain here.
789
00:38:54,696 --> 00:38:58,534
Your parents had this place
and they had dreams.
790
00:38:58,536 --> 00:39:01,438
Unfortunately,
that's all it can be --
791
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,939
a dream.
792
00:39:02,941 --> 00:39:08,680
The land is cursed
and there is a watcher.
793
00:39:08,682 --> 00:39:12,385
This is one that was left behind
by the native americans,
794
00:39:12,387 --> 00:39:16,690
who will remain and will
continue to reinforce the curse.
795
00:39:16,692 --> 00:39:19,561
There is no stopping that.
796
00:39:19,563 --> 00:39:22,932
My advice to you, walk away.
797
00:39:22,934 --> 00:39:30,509
♪♪
798
00:39:30,511 --> 00:39:33,146
believe me, she does not want
to tell you this.
799
00:39:33,148 --> 00:39:39,420
This is the worst, you know,
part of my job.
800
00:39:39,422 --> 00:39:41,089
Crushing.
801
00:39:41,091 --> 00:39:48,165
Very. Like unbelievably so.
We can't just walk away.
802
00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:52,203
Our family's here.
Everything.
803
00:39:52,205 --> 00:39:59,981
We owe it to them to fight,
and we owe it to his family.
804
00:39:59,983 --> 00:40:04,119
It's hard to accept it.
This is home.
805
00:40:04,121 --> 00:40:07,257
If leaving this location
is out of the question,
806
00:40:07,259 --> 00:40:11,563
there are a plethora
of things that you can employ
807
00:40:11,565 --> 00:40:14,466
like salt, sage,
sweet grass,
808
00:40:14,468 --> 00:40:17,670
but all of them
are going to be temporary.
809
00:40:17,672 --> 00:40:23,411
I will do my very best
to put as much love and light
810
00:40:23,413 --> 00:40:28,084
as I can into
every space I go.
811
00:40:28,086 --> 00:40:30,187
And at least now you know
what you're dealing with.
812
00:40:30,189 --> 00:40:32,423
I give you guys
a lot of credit,
813
00:40:32,425 --> 00:40:35,093
not for nothing
but you're looking
814
00:40:35,095 --> 00:40:37,163
at the worst case scenario
815
00:40:37,165 --> 00:40:39,365
that she can possibly tell you,
and you two are like,
816
00:40:39,367 --> 00:40:42,036
eh, you know what...
817
00:40:42,038 --> 00:40:43,672
No, I was raised, when
you get knocked down
818
00:40:43,674 --> 00:40:46,408
and get back up again
and you fight harder.
819
00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:48,110
It's not the end.
820
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:52,482
Put a positive spin on it,
do our work, and make sure
821
00:40:52,484 --> 00:40:54,452
it's as safe
as possible for everybody.
822
00:40:54,454 --> 00:40:57,356
♪♪
823
00:40:57,358 --> 00:40:59,759
amy: I wish I had better news
for johnny and tiffany,
824
00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:03,397
but unfortunately, their bar
sits on cursed land.
825
00:41:03,399 --> 00:41:06,235
I think they'd be
better off walking away,
826
00:41:06,237 --> 00:41:08,036
but since they're
determined to fight,
827
00:41:08,038 --> 00:41:09,606
they'll need to do
daily cleansings
828
00:41:09,608 --> 00:41:12,076
to keep their employees
and customers safe.
829
00:41:12,078 --> 00:41:17,649
♪♪
830
00:41:17,651 --> 00:41:21,989
since amy and steve came through
and helped us understand
831
00:41:21,991 --> 00:41:25,193
the depth of
the paranormal activity here
832
00:41:25,195 --> 00:41:27,428
and the history behind it,
833
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:31,167
johnny and I have
since embraced it.
834
00:41:31,169 --> 00:41:34,305
It was really hard
to swallow at first,
835
00:41:34,307 --> 00:41:38,010
but along with our friends
and loved ones,
836
00:41:38,012 --> 00:41:42,482
we went through, cleansed
and blessed the entire bar.
837
00:41:42,484 --> 00:41:45,519
You can feel the positive
energy in the air.
838
00:41:45,521 --> 00:41:48,857
Johnny and I are going
to continue with our dream
839
00:41:48,859 --> 00:41:50,293
to make this place
840
00:41:50,295 --> 00:41:54,998
and to keep this place
an amazing space to come
841
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,737
and enjoy for years and years
and generations to come.
842
00:41:59,787 --> 00:42:04,337
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