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There's a lot of, like,
chaos here.
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The activity is just
destroying my family.
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Someone came here
to hurt the people here.
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I feel like it's demonic.
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They're a result of dark magic.
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It could be some kind of
witchcraft or curses.
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It is so, so bad.
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I can't even imagine now
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the torture
he's going through.
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It's not safe,
it's not safe, it's not safe.
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Panic, panic, panic.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people.
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Okay, she doesn't
like it in there.
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And they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now, does he die right
there on the spot?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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You ever get touched
like that again?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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I'm as stunned
as you guys are.
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...when we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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I don't want anything to
happen to my daughter.
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...or time to get out.
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His goal is to kill you guys.
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I'm out here in
Pinellas Park, Florida.
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It's about 20 miles
west of Tampa.
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I got a call from woman
named Minou.
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Now, she sounded terrible
on the phone.
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Says ever since her adult son
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moved back into
the family house,
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activity has been violent
and out of control.
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She says if Amy and I
can't stop it,
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she thinks someone's
gonna get killed.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house of
any leading information.
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Photographs, dream catchers,
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and other personal items
can influence her findings,
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so it's important that
I cover or remove them all.
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When I'm done,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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This is bad.
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The first thing I get
is anxiety --
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massive anxiety and digestive
disorders in the living,
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and then I heard jealousy.
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It's not safe,
it's not safe, it's not safe.
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They've got to go,
they've got to go,
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they've got to go.
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So, Minou, when
we spoke on the phone,
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you didn't sound
really great.
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Sounds like you're
going through hell here.
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What's going on?
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Well, the activity
is just out of control
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and, I mean, just complete
and utter hell.
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Aw.
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I know. I'm sorry, honey.
I know.
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I can only imagine.
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So, what kind of things
are you guys experiencing?
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We're feeling
we're being watched,
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hearing voices,
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shadow figures,
nightmares,
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mental and physical
health declining,
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and physical attacks.
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How long
have you been here?
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Well, my parents
built this house in 1977
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and I've lived here
on and off since then.
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Do you know any history
about the house
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that might help me?
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There's a family friend
that died here.
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And the family friend
passed away in the house?
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Yes, he passed away
back in the bedroom
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where most of
the activity is at.
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Whose room is that now?
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My son, Jon Paul.
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Who else lives
in the house with you?
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That's my sister,
Shannon.
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All right.
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And that's
my son's father, Rick. Okay.
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That's me,
that's my brother,
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and that's my son,
Jon Paul. Okay.
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Since my son
moved back in,
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things have just been
getting gradually worse.
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So you think your son
moving back in
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caused all these
problems here?
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No. I think it's the girl
that he brought over here.
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She dabbled in the occult.
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It just feels like
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maybe she put
some kind of curse on him.
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Okay.
Is he having experiences?
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He's not been eating.
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He's quit his job,
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He almost quit school.
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He's losing weight,
and I just feel like
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his physical and mental health
are just diving down.
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And you think
this has all to do
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with the paranormal activity
that's going on here?
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Yes, I do.
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You okay?
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I know.
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It's just hard to see him
go through it.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's your baby.
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- It's killing me.
- I know.
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I feel like I'm crazy.
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You're not crazy, honey.
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I'm so depressed,
and it's causing a lot of anxiety.
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With all the stuff
that's going on here,
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why don't you just move?
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To be honest, Steve,
I feel like running away.
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But it's my family home.
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I'm not gonna
let them win.
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This is my house.
This is where I live.
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Someone is sick here.
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Very, very sick.
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I'm seeing this dead woman.
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She has long, dark hair.
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I feel despair and depression
with her.
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The living absolutely feel
this depression.
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It kind of gets worse
in here.
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The living would be
susceptible to her energy,
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and I feel like she is
wrapped around this person --
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a male here.
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Yeah, she's, like,
wrapped around them.
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I think
there's a connection with
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whoever that male is
that she's with,
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which is really wrapped.
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All right, Minou,
so what's going on in here?
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In this room,
there's a chair,
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and it moved on its own.
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Okay, so what happened?
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It just kind of
went back,
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hit the door,
and spun around.
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And you didn't see anything
that could have done that? No.
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Well, if it can make
a chair move like that,
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that's pretty dangerous.
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- Yeah.
- All right, anything else?
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Shadow figures.
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I see them all the time
walking in the living room
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and outside,
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and I think it's somebody
at the front door,
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and I get up and open the door,
and nobody's there.
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Okay, so describe
the ones you see
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on the inside of the house.
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Like a gray shadow.
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Is it something
you can see through,
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or is it something
that's kind of misty?
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You can see through it,
like a shadow on a wall,
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like somebody walking.
Okay.
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And the ones you see outside,
is it similar?
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It's darker.
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You see more than one?
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Sometimes it's one,
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sometimes
it's one, two, three.
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Is anybody else
seeing this stuff,
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or are you hallucinating,
maybe?
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No, my sister
sees them, too.
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Okay, anything else?
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As soon as you walk
into the house,
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the whole entire house
is just this dark,
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heavy, weighted feeling
on your shoulders.
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It's a negative
kind of thing.
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So being exposed to
this heavy feeling --
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how does it affect you?
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I get really fatigued
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and very nauseated
sometimes.
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There's a blond chick
who's with me now,
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and she's dead.
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Just anger and hate
all over her face,
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and she just screamed at me,
"Get out!"
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I just think
the negative energy here
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does make people sick.
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Oohee, oohee, oohee,
oohee, oohee.
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I'm getting a head pain.
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Okay, so, Minou, what's
the story with this room?
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Well, this is the room
that I grew up in,
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and this is where
my son sleeps now.
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Okay, so what's going on?
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I have a lot
of physical pain.
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I get terrible migraines.
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Now, do you have any kind
of medical condition
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that might cause
that kind of pain?
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I have fibromyalgia,
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but when I'm here,
it just seems so bad
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and when I leave,
it seems to be better.
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Okay.
Anything else?
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Yeah, I have nightmares
all the time.
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Okay. What kind of nightmares
are we talking about?
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I had a dream where
I was being choked,
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and I woke up and
I couldn't barely breathe.
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It was terrible.
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I've never in my life
experienced something like that.
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Who was choking you?
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I don't know.
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Aw, come here.
Come on.
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I know
you're stressing out.
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Relax. Okay?
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Relax.
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How's all this activity
affecting your relationship
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with your son?
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We've always had
a really good relationship,
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and lately,
just hasn't been there. All right.
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These things
are happening to him,
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and they're for real.
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He's being attacked
through all of this.
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Okay.
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These things are
destroying my family.
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There are attacks
coming from here.
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I feel like it is
possibly the blonde.
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She is jealous because
she wants to be alive again,
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but she mainly does it
because she hates everybody
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and she's pissed off
and she's miserable.
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So I just see her
smothering a person,
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trying to kill them.
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So, Shannon, I understand
you're Minou's sister
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and that you live here,
actually.
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Yes.
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She called us in
because of her concern
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for her son, Jon.
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Do you have concerns
for him, as well?
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Very much so.
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The way he acts
is completely different.
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Okay.
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Now, your sister
mentioned to me
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that within the last year,
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the activities
really got crazy.
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Does that make sense
to you?
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Yes, that's correct.
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Okay.
As far as experiences go,
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I'm pretty confident you
probably have had some, right?
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- Many, many experiences.
- Okay.
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Let's talk about
some of them.
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Okay, well, I've seen, like,
different shadow figures
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throughout the house,
outside and inside.
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Your sister mentioned to me
about shadow figures, as well.
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So when you see these
shadow figures, how many are you seeing?
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Sometimes
three, four in a row,
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just walking past the TV
down the hallway.
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Okay. Do they feel
threatening to you?
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Yes.
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I feel like it's demonic.
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So, anything else?
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I've been touched in some
really inappropriate ways.
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Okay, honey.
You okay?
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Yeah.
258
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Hopefully we'll get
to the bottom of this
259
00:11:46,973 --> 00:11:48,539
and get this fixed.
260
00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:50,841
Anything else going on?
261
00:11:50,843 --> 00:11:53,377
There's just a lot of
negative energy in the house.
262
00:11:53,379 --> 00:11:56,414
Feel so drained,
really bad anxiety.
263
00:11:56,416 --> 00:11:57,715
And when you leave here,
do you feel any better?
264
00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,417
If I'm gone for
a couple days, yeah,
265
00:11:59,419 --> 00:12:01,219
I start to feel
a little better.
266
00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:04,221
But when we come back in,
it's just like, ""
267
00:12:04,223 --> 00:12:05,356
It's really difficult.
268
00:12:05,358 --> 00:12:09,961
It's like every day
is just one more day
269
00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:12,163
that you're living
in hell.
270
00:12:14,701 --> 00:12:20,104
Spending time in here
is not really good.
271
00:12:20,106 --> 00:12:25,977
It feels like
overwhelming despair,
272
00:12:25,979 --> 00:12:28,780
hopelessness,
273
00:12:28,782 --> 00:12:31,883
depression, anxiety,
274
00:12:31,885 --> 00:12:35,319
and then I feel sick,
like I'm gonna vomit.
275
00:12:35,321 --> 00:12:37,555
Oooh, it's bad.
276
00:12:37,557 --> 00:12:39,990
My head hurts a lot.
277
00:12:42,528 --> 00:12:44,829
There are some weird
shadow things out here.
278
00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,969
They kind of look like rats.
279
00:12:50,971 --> 00:12:54,672
And they were, like, laughing
280
00:12:54,674 --> 00:12:58,242
and trying to make us go away,
281
00:12:58,244 --> 00:13:02,713
and I feel like that they were
put here by someone.
282
00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:05,883
I know that they're destructive
to the living,
283
00:13:05,885 --> 00:13:09,120
'cause these things
are not good at all.
284
00:13:14,827 --> 00:13:16,360
So, Jon,
your mom called us in
285
00:13:16,362 --> 00:13:17,896
'cause she's pretty concerned
that something here
286
00:13:17,898 --> 00:13:18,830
is going after you.
287
00:13:18,832 --> 00:13:20,365
Now, do you agree
with that?
288
00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,567
Yeah, I kind of keep it
to myself.
289
00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:25,436
It's easier to, like,
convince myself
290
00:13:25,438 --> 00:13:28,839
that it's not real,
or that it's just in my head. Okay.
291
00:13:28,841 --> 00:13:30,975
Mom said to me that
the activity here
292
00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:34,044
really got crazy
once you moved back in.-
293
00:13:34,046 --> 00:13:36,447
She mentioned
that she thought
294
00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:38,182
the girl you were seeing
that was into the occult
295
00:13:38,184 --> 00:13:40,117
might have put
a curse on you guys.
296
00:13:40,119 --> 00:13:41,518
Did you ever
think about that?
297
00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,321
Yeah, I mean, it's something
I've considered.
298
00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:46,191
It could be, you know,
299
00:13:46,193 --> 00:13:50,160
some kind of witchcraft
or curses or something.
300
00:13:50,162 --> 00:13:53,063
Have you experienced paranormal
before you moved here?
301
00:13:53,065 --> 00:13:54,265
Yeah.
302
00:13:54,267 --> 00:13:55,933
So, let's talk about
your experiences.
303
00:13:55,935 --> 00:13:57,534
What are you
going through?
304
00:13:57,536 --> 00:14:01,339
Anxiety,
you know, nightmares,
305
00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:02,539
sleeplessness.
306
00:14:02,541 --> 00:14:04,008
What kind of nightmares
are we talking about?
307
00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:06,710
I'll be, like, asleep,
and I had my arm out,
308
00:14:06,712 --> 00:14:08,679
and it was strange --
309
00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:11,349
like someone, like,
tried to
310
00:14:11,351 --> 00:14:14,619
almost kind of pull me
out of my body, I guess.
311
00:14:14,621 --> 00:14:17,088
It's something
I deal with all the time.
312
00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:19,223
Okay, all right.
So anything else?
313
00:14:19,225 --> 00:14:20,525
Just voices.
314
00:14:20,527 --> 00:14:21,960
How often
are you hearing this?
315
00:14:21,962 --> 00:14:25,296
All the time, unless
I actively block it out.
316
00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:26,764
What do you think
these voices are?
317
00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:30,034
I'm not sure,
but I think they're demonic.
318
00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:31,702
All right,
so anything else?
319
00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,405
I see things,
like a mist.
320
00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:35,940
It's almost like
an energy.
321
00:14:35,942 --> 00:14:37,175
It's hard to explain.
322
00:14:37,177 --> 00:14:38,810
You get any kind of
a vibe from it?
323
00:14:38,812 --> 00:14:41,846
Yeah, but it's never
anything positive.
324
00:14:41,848 --> 00:14:44,382
Any thought as to what
you think this thing
325
00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:45,650
wants from you?
326
00:14:45,652 --> 00:14:48,186
I feel it's already
trying to hurt people
327
00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:50,054
in my family.
328
00:14:54,594 --> 00:14:56,927
I'm getting
a living male saying,
329
00:14:56,929 --> 00:14:58,329
"I don't want to be
involved with this.
330
00:14:58,331 --> 00:15:01,799
Why are you doing this?
Why are you doing this?"
331
00:15:01,801 --> 00:15:04,535
This person seems very angry,
332
00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:06,837
confused, upset.
333
00:15:06,839 --> 00:15:08,673
Feels like an angry teenager.
334
00:15:08,675 --> 00:15:10,541
But it might be older,
335
00:15:10,543 --> 00:15:13,878
so I'd say, like,
maybe 20s to 30s.
336
00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,882
There's a lot of, like,
chaos here, mentally.
337
00:15:20,219 --> 00:15:23,888
I think it has to do with
those shadow-rat creatures.
338
00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:26,357
Those little rats
throughout here --
339
00:15:26,359 --> 00:15:27,958
I'd say 20.
340
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,893
Do you have any idea
what these things are?
341
00:15:29,895 --> 00:15:33,964
They're a result of
bad or dark magic,
342
00:15:33,966 --> 00:15:36,534
kind of like a curse
of some kind.
343
00:15:38,104 --> 00:15:42,639
Someone came here
to hurt the people here.
344
00:15:42,641 --> 00:15:44,042
You know if the living
would see these things
345
00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:45,642
or have any other
experiences with them?
346
00:15:45,644 --> 00:15:47,378
I think that
they would see them.
347
00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:49,780
They're very physical.
348
00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:51,382
They would hear them laughing.
349
00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:55,553
They would experience
far more anger,
350
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:58,522
depression, fatigue.
351
00:15:58,524 --> 00:16:01,059
They would have
random illnesses.
352
00:16:01,061 --> 00:16:05,596
Nothing good
can stay in this house.
353
00:16:05,598 --> 00:16:07,665
No good energy,
not happiness --
354
00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:11,502
nothing like that
can survive in this place.
355
00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:28,218
Minou says a friend of
the family died in the house
356
00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:29,387
back in the '90s,
357
00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:31,389
so I made some calls,
and she's right.
358
00:16:31,391 --> 00:16:32,590
Turns out the guy was really
359
00:16:32,592 --> 00:16:34,926
a good friend of
Minou's brother, Jack.
360
00:16:34,928 --> 00:16:36,060
So I'm headed back to the house
361
00:16:36,062 --> 00:16:37,628
to find out exactly
what happened.
362
00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:44,402
Well, Jack, thanks for
sitting down with me.
363
00:16:44,404 --> 00:16:45,636
I appreciate that.
364
00:16:45,638 --> 00:16:46,904
Now, I understand
you were pretty close
365
00:16:46,906 --> 00:16:48,606
with the guy
that died in the house.
366
00:16:48,608 --> 00:16:49,707
What can you tell me
about him?
367
00:16:49,709 --> 00:16:51,241
His name was
Lloyd Ferris.
368
00:16:51,243 --> 00:16:54,178
He moved from
upstate New York
369
00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,380
to Florida, here,
in this area,
370
00:16:56,382 --> 00:16:57,882
in the mid-'80s.
371
00:16:57,884 --> 00:17:00,718
He met my mother
at an AA meeting,
372
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,588
and they kind of
hit it off as friends,
373
00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:06,123
and he needed
a place to stay
374
00:17:06,125 --> 00:17:08,726
and she had an open room,
so he moved in.
375
00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:10,962
It all became like
he was family.
376
00:17:10,964 --> 00:17:12,296
What kind of a man
was he?
377
00:17:12,298 --> 00:17:13,731
He was kind of quiet.
378
00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:17,702
He was fairly tall,
shortish gray hair.
379
00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:19,637
Do you have
any photos of him?
380
00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:23,975
No, he really never wanted
his picture taken.
381
00:17:23,977 --> 00:17:25,042
What else
do you know about him?
382
00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:27,177
He was married
and had four children.
383
00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:29,780
At some point,
he became estranged
384
00:17:29,782 --> 00:17:32,016
from his ex
and his children.
385
00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:34,518
They didn't talk.
- Okay.
386
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,587
You think that had something
to do with the drinking?
387
00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:39,323
I think it's
a real good possibility.
388
00:17:39,325 --> 00:17:40,625
It really hurt him bad
389
00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:43,261
that he didn't really
get to see his children.
390
00:17:43,263 --> 00:17:45,296
Can you take me through
the day he died?
391
00:17:45,298 --> 00:17:48,199
It was March 31st, 1995.
392
00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:50,201
Okay.
393
00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:53,804
He had gone in
to take a shower
394
00:17:53,806 --> 00:17:56,006
and went into the bedroom
395
00:17:56,008 --> 00:18:00,744
and laid down in the bed
and passed away.
396
00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,814
We're fairly certain that
it was a heart attack.
397
00:18:02,816 --> 00:18:04,148
How old was he?
398
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:05,550
67.
399
00:18:05,552 --> 00:18:08,085
I'm curious --
do you think Lloyd is here,
400
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,420
in the house?
401
00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:11,655
I definitely
believe he's here.
402
00:18:11,657 --> 00:18:14,958
I think he helps
try to protect the family
403
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,428
and the house
from whatever's going on. Okay.
404
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:21,231
But he's not strong enough
to stop whatever it is.
405
00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:26,703
Somebody dropped dead
from a heart attack here.
406
00:18:26,705 --> 00:18:28,372
It was an older male.
407
00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:34,745
Do you have any idea
how long ago this was?
408
00:18:34,747 --> 00:18:36,280
This is fairly recent.
409
00:18:36,282 --> 00:18:39,182
I wouldn't go
earlier than the '90s,
410
00:18:39,184 --> 00:18:40,318
I don't think.
411
00:18:45,691 --> 00:18:50,394
He has lots of worry
about children.
412
00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:55,232
I think he's trying to talk
mostly to a male.
413
00:18:55,234 --> 00:18:56,400
This male -- living male --
414
00:18:56,402 --> 00:18:59,336
does not want to
even deal with any of this.
415
00:18:59,338 --> 00:19:03,341
I feel like the males
are related.
416
00:19:03,343 --> 00:19:08,245
He says that he keeps
trying to tell them to move,
417
00:19:08,247 --> 00:19:09,680
to get out of the house.
418
00:19:09,682 --> 00:19:11,549
It's not safe.
419
00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:14,752
I don't know what
Amy's gonna find on her walk,
420
00:19:14,754 --> 00:19:16,687
but to me,
some of the experiences
421
00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:19,023
the family's having
could be easily explained,
422
00:19:19,025 --> 00:19:20,491
so I've called in
a home inspector
423
00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:22,560
to see if any of this
could be environmental.
424
00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:29,800
The reason
I called you in
425
00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:33,504
is my clients here are having
some strange experiences
426
00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,472
and mood issues
and stuff like that.
427
00:19:35,474 --> 00:19:36,907
Some of the stuff
they're talking about
428
00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:38,876
they're going through
sounds like hallucinations.
429
00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:40,044
I've been doing this
a long time,
430
00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:41,845
and I can't blame everything
on the paranormal.
431
00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:43,781
Sometimes it could be
environmental --
432
00:19:43,783 --> 00:19:46,117
you know, like maybe
carbon monoxide or mold.
433
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,218
So can you do some
testing to see
434
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:49,186
if maybe
that's the issue?
435
00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,389
I can do some air sampling.
436
00:19:51,391 --> 00:19:53,324
I'll do one on the inside
and one on the outside,
437
00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:54,525
compare the two.
438
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:55,659
Thanks, buddy.
I appreciate that.
439
00:19:55,661 --> 00:19:56,727
Let me know
what you find out.
440
00:19:56,729 --> 00:19:58,062
I'll get started on it.
441
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,399
When you work a homicide,
442
00:20:02,401 --> 00:20:04,001
you have to rule out
the obvious first,
443
00:20:04,003 --> 00:20:07,538
and that's exactly
what I'm doing here.
444
00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,407
If there's
an environmental issue,
445
00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:11,175
it might explain why
everyone in the house
446
00:20:11,177 --> 00:20:14,278
is seeing and hearing
so many of the same things.
447
00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:21,151
All right, Brad,
so how'd it go?
448
00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:23,821
I did find a roof leak
in the back --
449
00:20:23,823 --> 00:20:25,756
little bit of mold on it.
Okay.
450
00:20:25,758 --> 00:20:28,825
I did find a spot of mold
under the air handler
451
00:20:28,827 --> 00:20:30,895
in the hallway.
452
00:20:30,897 --> 00:20:32,296
But other than that,
453
00:20:32,298 --> 00:20:34,765
I don't see any major problems
with this home.
454
00:20:34,767 --> 00:20:35,966
All right,
so it doesn't sound like
455
00:20:35,968 --> 00:20:37,435
there's enough mold there
that would cause
456
00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,637
any kind of hallucinations
or any kind of mood changes
457
00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:40,838
or anything like that.
458
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,706
I wouldn't think so, no.
459
00:20:42,708 --> 00:20:46,077
All right, so now I know
it's not environmental.
460
00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,312
It's got to be
something else.
461
00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:52,182
Those shadow-rat things
462
00:20:52,184 --> 00:20:55,385
are trapping
the negative energy inside.
463
00:20:55,387 --> 00:20:56,854
They're putting up blocks.
Paranormal.
464
00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:59,056
No,
that negativity ain't leaving.
465
00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:00,658
They'll let the negative in.
466
00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:02,793
They won't let
the negative energy out, though.
467
00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:06,297
Now it just spins and becomes
more and more dark.
468
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:11,368
And they are preventing
any energy
469
00:21:11,370 --> 00:21:14,805
from like, you know,
spreading around
470
00:21:14,807 --> 00:21:16,073
or cleansing or anything.
471
00:21:16,075 --> 00:21:17,208
That's why it's circled back
472
00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:18,743
and it's just circling
around this house
473
00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:20,811
and turning black
and black and black.
474
00:21:27,886 --> 00:21:29,820
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479
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480
00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:50,674
Here's what I got so far --
481
00:21:50,676 --> 00:21:53,143
a client who believes a curse
has been placed on her home
482
00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:55,212
and a family friend who
dropped dead of a heart attack
483
00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:56,814
in one of the bedrooms.
484
00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:58,783
But I'm thinking there's
got to be something else.
485
00:22:03,156 --> 00:22:04,488
Searching through old records,
486
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:06,156
I come across Milton Bryan,
487
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:08,092
who used to own
Minou's property.
488
00:22:10,396 --> 00:22:13,831
Turns out,
Milton's wife killed herself.
489
00:22:18,037 --> 00:22:20,337
You know, I got to know more
about this suicide,
490
00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,005
so I've reached out
to a local professor
491
00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:23,874
who's looking into this for me,
492
00:22:23,876 --> 00:22:25,542
and she says she's got
some information
493
00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:27,411
that will definitely
help my case.
494
00:22:35,254 --> 00:22:36,187
So now, Dr. Stark,
495
00:22:36,189 --> 00:22:37,921
I know
one of the original owners
496
00:22:37,923 --> 00:22:40,191
of my client's property's
wife committed suicide,
497
00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:41,725
but before we even
get to that part,
498
00:22:41,727 --> 00:22:43,060
what do we know about him?
499
00:22:43,062 --> 00:22:45,796
Milton Bryan is kind of
a really interesting fellow.
500
00:22:45,798 --> 00:22:47,631
He started off as
a blue-collar worker.
501
00:22:47,633 --> 00:22:48,799
He was a butcher,
502
00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:50,768
and he decided to go into
the dairy business.
503
00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:52,035
He was very,
very successful.
504
00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:54,271
He had, at the peak,
400 head of cattle,
505
00:22:54,273 --> 00:22:56,473
1,100 acres,
which was quite good.
506
00:22:56,475 --> 00:22:58,442
And that encompassed
my client's property?
507
00:22:58,444 --> 00:22:59,610
That is correct.
508
00:22:59,612 --> 00:23:02,012
So, obviously he was married.
When did he get married?
509
00:23:02,014 --> 00:23:03,881
- Well, he has two wives.
- Okay.
510
00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:07,684
The first wife is Blanche.
He's 22, she's 21.
511
00:23:07,686 --> 00:23:08,953
They seemed to
kind of get along,
512
00:23:08,955 --> 00:23:11,221
except that there's
no children for four years.
513
00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:13,123
Do we think it had
something to do with maybe
514
00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:15,092
issues with the marriage
or anything like that?
515
00:23:15,094 --> 00:23:16,359
Absolutely, yeah.
516
00:23:16,361 --> 00:23:18,562
Blanche had these
odd bouts of illness,
517
00:23:18,564 --> 00:23:20,631
so she'd go to
her family's farm
518
00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:22,299
to rest and recover.
519
00:23:22,301 --> 00:23:24,101
Now, do we know anything
about these illnesses?
520
00:23:24,103 --> 00:23:25,302
There is some speculation
521
00:23:25,304 --> 00:23:26,337
that it might have
been depression,
522
00:23:26,339 --> 00:23:28,772
or perhaps
postpartum issues.
523
00:23:28,774 --> 00:23:30,407
Now, we know
she commits suicide.
524
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:31,575
What happened?
525
00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:34,578
She has a second child
named Mavis
526
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:36,780
in January of 1924.
527
00:23:36,782 --> 00:23:38,415
This child
does not do well.
528
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:42,119
By April 8th of 1924,
Mavis died.
529
00:23:42,121 --> 00:23:43,721
Later the same day,
she actually got
530
00:23:43,723 --> 00:23:46,791
a.32 caliber pistol,
climbed into bed,
531
00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:49,459
put the pistol to her forehead,
and pulled the trigger
532
00:23:49,461 --> 00:23:51,194
and died instantly.
533
00:23:51,196 --> 00:23:53,230
- Wow.
- There's the article.
534
00:23:53,232 --> 00:23:55,999
She was 33 years old,
and her body was discovered
535
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:58,001
by her 7-year-old
daughter, Lorraine.
536
00:23:58,003 --> 00:23:59,903
I've been there
where I've had to deal with
537
00:23:59,905 --> 00:24:02,606
young children
that found a parent
538
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:03,807
that committed suicide,
539
00:24:03,809 --> 00:24:06,610
and they don't
bounce back from that. No.
540
00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:08,846
So now
we've got Milton here,
541
00:24:08,848 --> 00:24:11,549
who lost a kid,
lost his wife.-
542
00:24:11,551 --> 00:24:13,083
What does he do
after that?
543
00:24:13,085 --> 00:24:16,319
Within seven months,
he remarries.
544
00:24:16,321 --> 00:24:19,723
He marries a woman
by the name of Pansy --
545
00:24:19,725 --> 00:24:21,492
Pansy Tenor.
546
00:24:21,494 --> 00:24:22,826
This guy didn't
waste no time.
547
00:24:22,828 --> 00:24:24,295
She was 18 years old,
548
00:24:24,297 --> 00:24:26,696
and he was 34
when they married.
549
00:24:26,698 --> 00:24:28,766
Okay, so Milton's remarried
at this point.
550
00:24:28,768 --> 00:24:29,900
What happens next?
551
00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:31,234
They actually have
two sons,
552
00:24:31,236 --> 00:24:33,437
and it seems to be
a really decent marriage.
553
00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:35,172
They stayed together.
554
00:24:35,174 --> 00:24:37,942
He dies in 1947
of a massive heart attack
555
00:24:37,944 --> 00:24:39,710
at 57 years of age.
556
00:24:39,712 --> 00:24:40,911
Wow.
557
00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:44,047
Now, I do have
his death certificate.
558
00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:45,683
And he dies on
my client's property?
559
00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:47,317
That's correct, yes.
560
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:55,159
The blond lady's here,
ranting and raving.
561
00:24:56,963 --> 00:24:58,995
She had been brought here
by a living person
562
00:24:58,997 --> 00:25:00,530
who couldn't get over her death
563
00:25:00,532 --> 00:25:02,198
and now she's stuck here.
564
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,034
Do you have any idea
on who it was
565
00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:05,402
that did that to her?
566
00:25:05,404 --> 00:25:08,272
I think it was
an older man who did this.
567
00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:10,341
It seemed like
she got married young,
568
00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:12,475
and I think she was
kind of forced into that,
569
00:25:12,477 --> 00:25:18,449
and then there was a death
very soon afterwards.
570
00:25:18,451 --> 00:25:21,685
I think she had a child,
and she didn't want children.
571
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:24,889
The way she treated
that child was not good.
572
00:25:24,891 --> 00:25:26,423
I do see a gun.
573
00:25:26,425 --> 00:25:29,860
I don't know
if she killed herself.
574
00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:31,828
So she got, like, a raw deal.
575
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:33,964
She's beyond angry.
576
00:25:33,966 --> 00:25:35,632
She goes on a rampage,
577
00:25:35,634 --> 00:25:38,168
and then everybody
has to pay for the situation she's in.
578
00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:41,171
She says, "It was a short life,
and it sucked.
579
00:25:41,173 --> 00:25:44,641
Now I'm dead,
and I'm trapped here."
580
00:25:52,251 --> 00:25:55,852
I saw several horrifying things
during my walk,
581
00:25:55,854 --> 00:25:58,388
but two stood out --
582
00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:01,358
first, the dead woman attacking
a living person.
583
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,560
The dead lady
had blond hair,
584
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:05,529
very well done.
585
00:26:05,531 --> 00:26:08,531
and she was
in the process of trying
586
00:26:08,533 --> 00:26:12,269
to smother this kid
in the bed
587
00:26:12,271 --> 00:26:15,939
by covering her mouth
and pinching her nose.
588
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:21,011
Next, I described
the rat creatures
589
00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:23,747
trapping bad energy
inside the house.
590
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:26,216
They were all on
their hind legs.
591
00:26:26,218 --> 00:26:29,152
I would say they were
about, like, this tall.
592
00:26:37,096 --> 00:26:38,929
Amy, is this what you saw?
593
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:42,299
Yes, that's what I saw.
594
00:27:02,688 --> 00:27:05,722
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
595
00:27:05,724 --> 00:27:07,657
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
596
00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:11,428
and our clients
for the first time.
597
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:13,130
Well, Amy, this is Minou.
598
00:27:13,132 --> 00:27:14,597
Her story broke my heart.
599
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,034
She's hurting,
and I hope and pray
600
00:27:17,036 --> 00:27:19,302
at the end of this,
we can bring her some hope.
601
00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:22,106
This is her sister, Shannon,
who lives here
602
00:27:22,108 --> 00:27:26,510
along with their brother,
Jack,
603
00:27:26,512 --> 00:27:28,512
Minou's ex, Rick.
604
00:27:28,514 --> 00:27:31,047
This is her son, Jon.
605
00:27:31,049 --> 00:27:33,249
Now, nobody feels safe,
606
00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:35,652
and they all feel that
if we can't help them,
607
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,455
somebody's gonna
get seriously hurt.
608
00:27:38,457 --> 00:27:40,490
So now that Amy knows
who you guys are,
609
00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:42,793
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
610
00:27:45,631 --> 00:27:49,332
The first thing that I got
was in the hallway.
611
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:53,704
This was energy off of
a living person that's here,
612
00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:56,073
and I heard, "I don't want to
be involved in this.
613
00:27:56,075 --> 00:27:57,874
Why are you doing this?"
614
00:27:57,876 --> 00:28:02,011
And there seemed to be
a lot of mental chaos.
615
00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:06,282
I felt like the individual
was really, really immature.
616
00:28:06,284 --> 00:28:08,885
The emotion and
the mental state seemed like,
617
00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:12,622
you know, when teenagers
are going nuts,
618
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,025
but I kept thinking
that this person
619
00:28:15,027 --> 00:28:18,695
is older than that --
maybe in their 20s or 30s.
620
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,563
One of the main reasons
Minou called us in
621
00:28:20,565 --> 00:28:21,965
was because of
her son, Jon,
622
00:28:21,967 --> 00:28:23,634
and she's really
worried about him.
623
00:28:23,636 --> 00:28:26,303
Tell Amy how he's changed.
624
00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:29,673
He doesn't hardly eat,
he doesn't hardly sleep,
625
00:28:29,675 --> 00:28:32,576
and he is very immature.
626
00:28:32,578 --> 00:28:34,644
- How old is he?
- He's 30.
627
00:28:39,284 --> 00:28:41,718
He seems like
a tortured soul to me.
628
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,588
He is.
It's terrible.
629
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,523
Where does he sleep?
630
00:28:46,525 --> 00:28:48,792
He sleeps in the back bedroom
to the right.
631
00:28:48,794 --> 00:28:50,059
Really?
632
00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:55,065
I did get that there was
a deceased female
633
00:28:55,067 --> 00:28:58,869
who has latched on to
a male in that bedroom.
634
00:28:58,871 --> 00:29:03,573
Long brown hair,
pale skin, very thin.
635
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:08,077
Is it possible
that she would
636
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:09,913
want him to herself?
637
00:29:09,915 --> 00:29:11,948
Yeah, she's on him --
638
00:29:11,950 --> 00:29:15,385
like, literally
wrapped around him.
639
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:22,826
You need a break, honey?
640
00:29:22,828 --> 00:29:25,229
I'll be okay.
641
00:29:28,634 --> 00:29:31,000
All right, so what else?
642
00:29:31,002 --> 00:29:34,538
This other person
that I encountered is another woman.
643
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:36,240
This one is a blonde.
644
00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:38,141
Very, very unhappy
dead person.
645
00:29:38,143 --> 00:29:40,377
She feels like she never
got a chance to live
646
00:29:40,379 --> 00:29:43,046
the life she wanted to live.
647
00:29:43,048 --> 00:29:44,581
She wanted a career,
648
00:29:44,583 --> 00:29:46,516
but instead,
she married very young.
649
00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:48,452
Did not want to
be a housewife.
650
00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:51,555
So I don't think that
she wanted to be a mother.
651
00:29:51,557 --> 00:29:53,390
She said she died young,
652
00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:56,026
which makes her
even more upset.
653
00:29:56,028 --> 00:30:00,063
She might have been
around 27 when she died.
654
00:30:00,065 --> 00:30:03,600
She died unusually,
but I'm not exactly sure how.
655
00:30:03,602 --> 00:30:05,035
I know
she didn't die here.
656
00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:06,636
She kept saying,
"I don't belong here"
657
00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:08,138
over and over.
658
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:11,942
After she died,
family member brought her here
659
00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:15,112
because that person just
couldn't get over her death.
660
00:30:15,114 --> 00:30:17,281
Then when that person died,
661
00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:19,616
they moved on,
but she didn't.
662
00:30:19,618 --> 00:30:23,620
She got stuck here,
and she's pissed.
663
00:30:23,622 --> 00:30:24,888
It kind of sounds like
somebody
664
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:26,857
I came across
in my research.
665
00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:28,291
Her name was Blanche Bryan,
666
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:31,161
and her life
was short and tragic.
667
00:30:31,163 --> 00:30:32,429
She married in 1912
668
00:30:32,431 --> 00:30:35,666
to a blue-collar farmer
named Milton Bryan.
669
00:30:35,668 --> 00:30:37,801
So the expert I spoke to
said that
670
00:30:37,803 --> 00:30:40,303
she thought that
Milton and Blanche's
671
00:30:40,305 --> 00:30:42,438
relationship
was pretty rotten
672
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,607
because she spent
a lot of time
673
00:30:43,609 --> 00:30:45,475
going back to
her parents' house,
674
00:30:45,477 --> 00:30:47,411
blaming mysterious illnesses.
675
00:30:47,413 --> 00:30:48,645
It could have been
depression
676
00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,580
or some other kind of
mental illness.
677
00:30:50,582 --> 00:30:52,182
We're not sure.
678
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:55,485
Now, in 1916, their daughter
Lorraine was born.
679
00:30:55,487 --> 00:30:57,988
They didn't have a second kid
for almost eight years.
680
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:59,289
Her name was Mavis.
681
00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:01,992
Now, the baby was sickly,
and she died three months later
682
00:31:01,994 --> 00:31:04,728
on April 8th, 1924.
683
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:06,263
It was too much for Blanche.
684
00:31:06,265 --> 00:31:08,398
That same day,
she took a.32 revolver
685
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,969
and put it to her forehead
and blew her brains out.
686
00:31:11,971 --> 00:31:13,737
My God.
687
00:31:13,739 --> 00:31:17,674
She was only 33 years old
at the time.
688
00:31:17,676 --> 00:31:20,777
Amy, you said the woman
you saw didn't die here.
689
00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:25,015
Blanche died at her
parents' house one county over.
690
00:31:25,017 --> 00:31:27,016
Now, can this blond woman
you saw
691
00:31:27,018 --> 00:31:28,618
mess with
the living people here?
692
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,554
Yes. I got that she affects
the living in several ways.
693
00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:33,757
First, she makes people
sick to their stomachs,
694
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:34,992
so there's nausea.
695
00:31:34,994 --> 00:31:37,994
She can give you
massive headaches.
696
00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:39,763
Terrible headaches.
697
00:31:39,765 --> 00:31:41,365
- Okay.
- Terrible, terrible headaches.
698
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:45,235
It just feels like my brains
are smashing against my skull.
699
00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:46,703
She can get physical --
700
00:31:46,705 --> 00:31:48,771
like just shoving people
or pushing people,
701
00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:51,975
also pinching people
while they're sleeping.
702
00:31:51,977 --> 00:31:53,443
You know, I didn't
want to bring it up,
703
00:31:53,445 --> 00:31:55,278
but you had some
inappropriate touching.
704
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,114
Correct.
705
00:31:57,116 --> 00:31:58,748
It's hard for me
to describe, but, like,
706
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:01,785
I would sleep,
and I would wake up
707
00:32:01,787 --> 00:32:04,121
feeling as though
708
00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:08,458
someone was touching me
inappropriately.
709
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:09,859
Like, after that happened,
710
00:32:09,861 --> 00:32:11,394
it just, like,
kept reoccurring.
711
00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:14,131
It happened like
at least four or five times.
712
00:32:14,133 --> 00:32:18,602
I don't understand.
What have I done?
713
00:32:18,604 --> 00:32:22,004
So, this blond lady
do anything else?
714
00:32:22,006 --> 00:32:23,573
What I saw
was her messing with
715
00:32:23,575 --> 00:32:25,809
somebody in the bedroom
with two beds,
716
00:32:25,811 --> 00:32:29,312
and she did say she hates
the people in that room.
717
00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:31,581
She was hovering over
someone who was sleeping
718
00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:34,050
and trying to smother them.
719
00:32:34,052 --> 00:32:36,320
I had a sketch done
of what I saw.
720
00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:49,032
Geez.
721
00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:06,516
My God.
722
00:33:06,518 --> 00:33:08,852
My God.
723
00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:11,121
My granddaughter
sleeps in that room.
724
00:33:11,123 --> 00:33:13,056
You think that's your
granddaughter in that bed?
725
00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:22,199
All right,
so I'm gonna get on to
726
00:33:22,201 --> 00:33:24,801
the other deceased
individual that's here.
727
00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:29,373
So, this is a dead male --
extremely present here.
728
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:32,675
I got that he's an older
white male with white hair.
729
00:33:32,677 --> 00:33:35,078
I got that he was
either a family member
730
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,914
or friend of
a living male who's here.
731
00:33:37,916 --> 00:33:40,617
I got that this male
died from a heart attack.
732
00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:43,620
Felt like this
happened recently.
733
00:33:43,622 --> 00:33:45,721
One thing that
stood out about him
734
00:33:45,723 --> 00:33:48,357
was that he's extremely
worried about his children.
735
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:49,926
When he's around,
you'd feel like
736
00:33:49,928 --> 00:33:52,229
you need to get
out of the house.
737
00:33:52,231 --> 00:33:55,331
And he does this
on purpose
738
00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:58,301
because he's trying to send
a warning to the living
739
00:33:58,303 --> 00:34:01,438
about something even more
dangerous that's here.
740
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,707
He's trying to tell you
to help save yourselves.
741
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:06,442
Well, I got
a pretty good idea
742
00:34:06,444 --> 00:34:08,712
who she's talking about.
743
00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:10,513
His name was Lloyd Ferris.
Yep.
744
00:34:10,515 --> 00:34:13,850
And he was a friend of
Minou and her family
745
00:34:13,852 --> 00:34:15,752
for a very long time.
746
00:34:15,754 --> 00:34:19,322
The spare bedroom he slept in
is where Jon sleeps in now.
747
00:34:19,324 --> 00:34:21,724
Now, he wound up living here
for about 10 years, right?
748
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,160
- Something like that.
- Yeah.
749
00:34:23,162 --> 00:34:24,794
Yeah,
he was like one of us.
750
00:34:24,796 --> 00:34:28,198
Now, in March of 1995,
751
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,133
he died of a heart attack
in that room.
752
00:34:31,269 --> 00:34:33,503
So I got his death
certificate here.
753
00:34:35,941 --> 00:34:37,540
I feel fine
with him here.
754
00:34:37,542 --> 00:34:39,242
I mean, he's trying
to protect us.
755
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:42,178
But I'd like to
see him move on.
756
00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:45,214
So, it sounds like Lloyd
is trying to warn them.
757
00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:47,216
Warn them
about what, though?
758
00:34:50,756 --> 00:34:52,055
It's kind of weird.
759
00:34:52,057 --> 00:34:56,025
So, I'm in the backyard.
I see a bunch of things.
760
00:34:56,027 --> 00:35:00,696
And they looked like
really large rats.
761
00:35:00,698 --> 00:35:02,265
So there's about
20 of them,
762
00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:06,769
and they've formed
a perimeter around the house,
763
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:10,540
and what they do is
they attract negative energy
764
00:35:10,542 --> 00:35:12,642
and trap it
inside the house.
765
00:35:12,644 --> 00:35:13,844
Being surrounded by
the negative energy
766
00:35:13,846 --> 00:35:15,645
can cause physical illness.
767
00:35:15,647 --> 00:35:17,847
I got nausea,
again, vomiting,
768
00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:19,749
diarrhea,
and feeling drained.
769
00:35:19,751 --> 00:35:22,318
Well, Minou, let's talk
about you being nauseated.
770
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,521
Sometimes
I just get nauseated,
771
00:35:24,523 --> 00:35:25,922
can't eat,
772
00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:28,591
and I'm just exhausted --
773
00:35:28,593 --> 00:35:31,995
just completely exhausted
774
00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:35,332
for no reason.
775
00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:37,600
Now, Shannon, you told me
about being drained.
776
00:35:37,602 --> 00:35:41,605
Yeah. I mean, even tonight,
I'm physically just worn out.
777
00:35:41,607 --> 00:35:43,740
I just want to leave.
778
00:35:43,742 --> 00:35:47,210
This negative energy can also
affect people's moods
779
00:35:47,212 --> 00:35:50,079
and change
their personalities.
780
00:35:50,081 --> 00:35:51,814
I know I've been told
by two people
781
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,883
I'm crushing
their spirits...
782
00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:55,518
No.
783
00:35:58,456 --> 00:36:01,825
...because I'm so mean.
784
00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:04,227
I don't mean to be mean.
785
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:10,767
I try so hard.
786
00:36:10,769 --> 00:36:13,637
But I had Shannon tell me
I was crushing her spirit,
787
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:18,107
and then my son told me
the same thing.
788
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:20,109
Jon's personality
has changed, as well.
789
00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:21,211
Yeah.
790
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:24,848
Dealing with it --
it's just killing me.
791
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:26,782
It's just killing me.
792
00:36:26,784 --> 00:36:30,453
I'm tired of
living through all this.
793
00:36:30,455 --> 00:36:31,787
What I'm curious about
794
00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:33,756
is what these little
rat bastards look like.
795
00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:35,592
I did have a sketch done.
796
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:48,371
You weren't kidding,
were you?
797
00:36:53,478 --> 00:36:54,744
What's that?
798
00:36:58,683 --> 00:37:02,552
Is this black, swirly stuff
the bad energy?
799
00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:05,021
- Yes.
- Okay.
800
00:37:05,023 --> 00:37:06,823
Jon mentioned to me
about seeing
801
00:37:06,825 --> 00:37:10,293
some kind of
a swirly energy...
802
00:37:10,295 --> 00:37:11,427
that was white.
803
00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:13,430
İnteresting.
804
00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:17,099
Now, have these things
always been here?
805
00:37:17,101 --> 00:37:19,836
They were brought here
by a living person,
806
00:37:19,838 --> 00:37:25,508
and I don't think this happened
too, too long ago.
807
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:27,944
This person
was into witchcraft...
808
00:37:27,946 --> 00:37:29,979
My God.
809
00:37:29,981 --> 00:37:32,449
...dark magic.
810
00:37:32,451 --> 00:37:34,851
Well, we all know who
she's talking about.
811
00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:36,453
Yep.
812
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:42,058
Well, Minou, want to tell her
about Jon's girlfriend?
813
00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:44,727
She came over here,
spent the night,
814
00:37:44,729 --> 00:37:48,130
and said she had seven
different personalities.
815
00:37:48,132 --> 00:37:51,601
Did he want to see them?
816
00:37:51,603 --> 00:37:54,603
And he said, when they
started coming out... What?!
817
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:56,272
...he got
very, very scared,
818
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:59,109
and he thought
they were demons.
819
00:37:59,111 --> 00:38:00,443
Holy...
820
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:02,878
Things, like,
started getting bad.
821
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,881
He called her
and asked her
822
00:38:05,883 --> 00:38:07,884
if she dealt
in the occult at all,
823
00:38:07,886 --> 00:38:09,285
and she told him yes.
824
00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:10,820
Ohhhhhh!
What?!
825
00:38:10,822 --> 00:38:12,155
She admitted it?
826
00:38:12,157 --> 00:38:14,924
I, then, started
getting attacked.
827
00:38:14,926 --> 00:38:16,392
No.
828
00:38:16,394 --> 00:38:20,363
Do we think she brought
these rat things here?
829
00:38:20,365 --> 00:38:22,766
Yes.
830
00:38:22,768 --> 00:38:26,002
Like, it is so, so bad.
831
00:38:26,004 --> 00:38:28,938
That's my little baby.
832
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:30,640
I can't even imagine now
833
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:33,376
the torture
he's going through
834
00:38:33,378 --> 00:38:36,045
with all this...going on.
835
00:38:51,796 --> 00:38:53,063
So, Minou,
the other day you told me
836
00:38:53,065 --> 00:38:55,031
you felt like
you were living in hell. Yep.
837
00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:57,267
And turns out
you really are.
838
00:38:57,269 --> 00:39:00,270
So now we need to find out if
there's any way to fix this mess
839
00:39:00,272 --> 00:39:01,337
so you guys can stay here.
840
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:03,339
For that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
841
00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:09,746
It's not an easy fix,
I'll tell you that.
842
00:39:09,748 --> 00:39:12,716
Okay, so the first thing
I would like to see y'all do
843
00:39:12,718 --> 00:39:15,050
is to get a male medium
844
00:39:15,052 --> 00:39:17,821
to move on the blond woman
and Lloyd,
845
00:39:17,823 --> 00:39:19,355
somebody like Steve --
846
00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:21,658
very old-school,
old-fashioned.
847
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,793
The reason why
this male has to be
848
00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:27,197
that specific way
is more for the female...
849
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,833
...because she's old-school.
850
00:39:30,835 --> 00:39:33,937
Once that happens,
she's gonna run out of here
851
00:39:33,939 --> 00:39:38,074
'cause she does not
want to be here.
852
00:39:38,076 --> 00:39:40,743
And then he can move
Lloyd on, as well,
853
00:39:40,745 --> 00:39:43,612
and all he needs to be
assured of, basically,
854
00:39:43,614 --> 00:39:47,450
is that y'all got his message,
and he will leave.
855
00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:48,684
So that's number one.
856
00:39:48,686 --> 00:39:52,922
Now, here's
what's gonna suck.
857
00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:56,025
So, I would like you
to see a voodoo priest.
858
00:39:56,027 --> 00:39:58,328
This girl placed a curse
on this house
859
00:39:58,330 --> 00:40:00,530
and brought
these things here.
860
00:40:00,532 --> 00:40:02,465
Fight fire with fire.
861
00:40:02,467 --> 00:40:06,936
When you're dealing
with the darkness,
862
00:40:06,938 --> 00:40:11,141
you need someone to
counteract that darkness.
863
00:40:11,143 --> 00:40:14,911
He can remove this.
864
00:40:16,681 --> 00:40:19,749
So, now, once the voodoo priest
comes in and does his thing,
865
00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:21,217
it'll get rid of
these rat creatures
866
00:40:21,219 --> 00:40:22,986
or whatever the hell
they are?
867
00:40:22,988 --> 00:40:25,688
- Yes.
- Okay.
868
00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:27,590
All right, so let me
ask you a question.
869
00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:29,359
Do you think your son will go
see this voodoo priest?
870
00:40:29,361 --> 00:40:32,161
- I don't know.
- Here's the thing.
871
00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:36,299
If he won't do it,
he'd have to go away.
872
00:40:36,301 --> 00:40:38,968
He could not come back,
873
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:43,840
especially after
you have the rituals done.
874
00:40:43,842 --> 00:40:45,274
Well, listen,
you know your son
875
00:40:45,276 --> 00:40:47,643
better than anybody else.
876
00:40:47,645 --> 00:40:49,045
What's the story?
877
00:40:49,047 --> 00:40:50,380
Do you think you're gonna
be able to convince him
878
00:40:50,382 --> 00:40:53,249
to get this done
and be part of it?
879
00:40:53,251 --> 00:40:57,019
I'm gonna have to.
I don't have a choice.
880
00:40:57,021 --> 00:40:59,756
You got to try.
You can't live like this.
881
00:40:59,758 --> 00:41:01,657
No, I can't.
882
00:41:01,659 --> 00:41:03,326
This is something
that's fixable.
883
00:41:03,328 --> 00:41:04,828
This has to be fixed.
884
00:41:06,264 --> 00:41:08,164
He has to be fixed.
885
00:41:10,569 --> 00:41:14,337
I'm gonna be
on his ass about it.
886
00:41:14,339 --> 00:41:18,608
Either he goes,
or I'm gonna have to go.
887
00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:20,676
It's gonna be
one or the other,
888
00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:23,279
'cause I'm not gonna
live like this anymore.
889
00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:25,748
I'm not gonna do it.
890
00:41:30,755 --> 00:41:32,622
I really hope Minou
convinces Jon
891
00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:34,357
to see a voodoo priest.
892
00:41:34,359 --> 00:41:37,827
If he does, the rat creatures
and negative energy will leave.
893
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:39,495
And with the help of a medium,
894
00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:41,363
the dead blonde
and their friend Lloyd
895
00:41:41,365 --> 00:41:43,032
can be moved on, as well,
896
00:41:43,034 --> 00:41:46,469
and this family can find
the peace it's been looking for.
897
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:51,069
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