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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,045 --> 00:00:13,579 I'm seeing blood. 2 00:00:13,581 --> 00:00:17,416 He doesn't have a face anymore. 3 00:00:17,418 --> 00:00:19,084 It kills me to think that he's going 4 00:00:19,086 --> 00:00:20,853 to have to grow up like I did. 5 00:00:20,855 --> 00:00:22,388 You're around this person enough, 6 00:00:22,390 --> 00:00:26,225 and you literally become insane. 7 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:30,029 He left a lot of bodies in his wake. 8 00:00:30,031 --> 00:00:31,797 He might have killed her. 9 00:00:31,799 --> 00:00:35,267 All I want for my family is to be safe. 10 00:00:35,269 --> 00:00:36,568 I'm extremely worried. 11 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:39,905 This guy wants death. 12 00:00:39,907 --> 00:00:42,074 This is not a good situation. 13 00:00:42,076 --> 00:00:44,243 My name is Amy Allan. 14 00:00:44,245 --> 00:00:45,544 There's death here. 15 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:47,346 Don't want to go down there. 16 00:00:47,348 --> 00:00:48,847 I see dead people. 17 00:00:48,849 --> 00:00:50,916 They hide in the walls, and they watch. 18 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,519 I speak to dead people. 19 00:00:53,521 --> 00:00:56,155 She's definitely a serial killer. 20 00:00:56,157 --> 00:00:57,856 And they speak to me. 21 00:00:57,858 --> 00:01:00,392 She's going to torture them. 22 00:01:00,394 --> 00:01:03,862 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 23 00:01:03,864 --> 00:01:05,964 They were all murdered. 24 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:07,666 I rely on my partner. 25 00:01:07,668 --> 00:01:09,101 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 26 00:01:09,103 --> 00:01:11,003 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 27 00:01:11,005 --> 00:01:13,672 So, is this the only time you've been physically attacked? 28 00:01:13,674 --> 00:01:17,576 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 29 00:01:17,578 --> 00:01:19,211 There's no question in my mind 30 00:01:19,213 --> 00:01:21,213 that he was talking about Satan. 31 00:01:21,215 --> 00:01:23,215 It's my job to reveal them. 32 00:01:23,217 --> 00:01:24,750 Who do you think possessed you? 33 00:01:24,752 --> 00:01:26,585 But Steve and I never speak... 34 00:01:26,587 --> 00:01:28,587 We never communicate during an investigation. 35 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:29,955 ...until the very end... 36 00:01:29,957 --> 00:01:31,557 Well, you're not gonna want to see this. 37 00:01:31,559 --> 00:01:33,926 ...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 38 00:01:33,928 --> 00:01:35,360 Hell no! 39 00:01:35,362 --> 00:01:36,862 ...or time to get out. 40 00:01:36,864 --> 00:01:39,031 Everyone is in jeopardy. 41 00:01:54,181 --> 00:01:55,681 I'm in El Cajon, California. 42 00:01:55,683 --> 00:01:58,584 It's a blue-collar suburb just outside of San Diego. 43 00:01:58,586 --> 00:02:00,385 I got a call from a woman named Melissa. 44 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:02,254 Now, she sounded really bad. 45 00:02:02,256 --> 00:02:04,723 She told me she was forced to move back into the house 46 00:02:04,725 --> 00:02:06,325 that destroyed her childhood, 47 00:02:06,327 --> 00:02:07,926 and now she's convinced whatever's there 48 00:02:07,928 --> 00:02:10,395 is going after her 6-year-old son. 49 00:02:10,397 --> 00:02:11,763 She really needs our help bad, 50 00:02:11,765 --> 00:02:13,599 and I'm hoping we can help her out. 51 00:02:17,271 --> 00:02:19,505 Before Amy arrives, 52 00:02:19,507 --> 00:02:22,274 I clear the house of any leading information. 53 00:02:22,276 --> 00:02:25,711 Photographs, artwork, 54 00:02:25,713 --> 00:02:30,415 and religious statues can influence her findings, 55 00:02:30,417 --> 00:02:33,218 so it's important that I cover or remove them all. 56 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:35,954 When I'm finished, the location will be ready 57 00:02:35,956 --> 00:02:37,923 for tonight's walk. 58 00:02:51,005 --> 00:02:53,605 A man is showing me 59 00:02:53,607 --> 00:02:57,709 this, like, 6- to 7-foot skeleton, 60 00:02:57,711 --> 00:03:00,679 half-burnt mess, 61 00:03:00,681 --> 00:03:04,816 and he's, like, oozing, dripping...stuff, 62 00:03:04,818 --> 00:03:07,553 like, blood. 63 00:03:07,555 --> 00:03:09,821 And he says, "I am the great deceiver." 64 00:03:09,823 --> 00:03:11,757 He goes, "Living are being driven insane 65 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:15,260 by the madness that surrounds them." 66 00:03:15,262 --> 00:03:18,897 And he goes, "You think this is crazy, you ain't seen..." 67 00:03:25,372 --> 00:03:26,905 So, Melissa, when we spoke on the phone, 68 00:03:26,907 --> 00:03:28,640 you sounded pretty upset. 69 00:03:28,642 --> 00:03:29,675 Yeah. 70 00:03:29,677 --> 00:03:31,810 Especially about your youngest son. 71 00:03:31,812 --> 00:03:32,911 What's going on? 72 00:03:32,913 --> 00:03:36,682 Charlie says he hears noises 73 00:03:36,684 --> 00:03:39,751 and sees things 74 00:03:39,753 --> 00:03:41,954 that kids -- 75 00:03:41,956 --> 00:03:43,889 You can't just fake stuff like that. 76 00:03:43,891 --> 00:03:45,757 How long has this been going on with him? 77 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:48,460 He's lived in this house his whole life, 78 00:03:48,462 --> 00:03:50,529 and he started talking to us about it 79 00:03:50,531 --> 00:03:52,030 when he was like 3 or 4. 80 00:03:52,032 --> 00:03:54,199 All right. So who else lives in the house? 81 00:03:54,201 --> 00:03:57,135 My grandfather. He's 85. 82 00:03:57,137 --> 00:03:58,670 - Okay. - Myself. 83 00:03:58,672 --> 00:04:01,773 My husband, Corey. Charlie, he is 6, 84 00:04:01,775 --> 00:04:04,376 and Nathan, who is 16. 85 00:04:04,378 --> 00:04:06,745 - I understand you grew up here. - Yeah, I did. 86 00:04:06,747 --> 00:04:08,280 And it was pretty bad for you as a kid. 87 00:04:08,282 --> 00:04:11,250 Yeah. I always had experiences, 88 00:04:11,252 --> 00:04:13,852 and they never stopped until I left. 89 00:04:13,854 --> 00:04:15,721 It kills me to think that he's going 90 00:04:15,723 --> 00:04:17,256 to have to grow up like I did. 91 00:04:17,258 --> 00:04:18,657 I don't want that. 92 00:04:18,659 --> 00:04:22,127 I just don't. I want him to have a normal childhood. 93 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:23,428 Why would you come back? 94 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:24,830 My grandmother passed away, 95 00:04:24,832 --> 00:04:29,134 and my grandfather wasn't doing so well on his own. 96 00:04:29,136 --> 00:04:31,536 The only reason why I came back. 97 00:04:31,538 --> 00:04:32,771 Okay. 98 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:36,575 This is actually a picture of her with a young Nathan. 99 00:04:36,577 --> 00:04:38,010 What did she die of? 100 00:04:38,012 --> 00:04:42,581 She had a routine back surgery that went wrong. 101 00:04:42,583 --> 00:04:45,250 She came home, and two days later, 102 00:04:45,252 --> 00:04:48,587 she went rushed back to the hospital, and she was dead. 103 00:04:48,589 --> 00:04:50,255 Any other history I should know about? 104 00:04:50,257 --> 00:04:54,593 I had an uncle who passed away here as a child. 105 00:04:54,595 --> 00:04:56,628 - As a child? - As a child. 106 00:04:56,630 --> 00:04:58,196 And this is your grandfather's son? 107 00:04:58,198 --> 00:05:00,098 - Yeah. - You think your grandfather 108 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:01,833 would be willing to talk to me? 109 00:05:01,835 --> 00:05:05,404 We've never really discussed it much before. 110 00:05:05,406 --> 00:05:07,205 - Okay. - You can try. 111 00:05:07,207 --> 00:05:09,074 So, Melissa, I know you guys are going through hell here, 112 00:05:09,076 --> 00:05:12,077 but give me an idea or a list of what's happening. 113 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:14,212 Things move on their own. 114 00:05:14,214 --> 00:05:16,982 We have fluctuating moods, 115 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:18,884 horrible nightmares, 116 00:05:18,886 --> 00:05:22,287 and, like, physical attacks. 117 00:05:22,289 --> 00:05:24,289 You mentioned mood swings. What did you mean by that? 118 00:05:24,291 --> 00:05:28,427 I can just get super angry or super sad, super depressed. 119 00:05:28,429 --> 00:05:29,861 It's just -- on a dime. 120 00:05:29,863 --> 00:05:31,963 And I've never been a depressed person. 121 00:05:31,965 --> 00:05:33,365 Why don't you just leave here, honey, 122 00:05:33,367 --> 00:05:34,833 and take your grandfather with you? 123 00:05:34,835 --> 00:05:38,737 He doesn't want to go. He's asked to die in this house. 124 00:05:38,739 --> 00:05:42,274 That's his wishes. I want to respect his wishes. 125 00:05:42,276 --> 00:05:44,843 - Um... - Okay. 126 00:05:44,845 --> 00:05:47,112 He helped raise me. 127 00:05:47,114 --> 00:05:48,680 He did so much for me, 128 00:05:48,682 --> 00:05:53,185 and I want him to live the rest of his life happy. 129 00:05:57,524 --> 00:06:01,393 There's another man here, and he's very sad. 130 00:06:01,395 --> 00:06:04,763 I think he's suffering from severe depression. 131 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:06,331 You know, all he does is sit in a ball 132 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:09,067 and...cry all the...time. 133 00:06:09,069 --> 00:06:12,971 So he is definitely filling the location 134 00:06:12,973 --> 00:06:17,642 with this despair and heaviness. 135 00:06:17,644 --> 00:06:19,845 The living here would feel depressed, 136 00:06:19,847 --> 00:06:22,180 thoughts of suicide and stress, 137 00:06:22,182 --> 00:06:24,182 so we got to get him out. 138 00:06:29,356 --> 00:06:31,156 Okay. So, what's going on in here? 139 00:06:31,158 --> 00:06:35,527 In here, I've seen a full apparition of my grandmother. 140 00:06:35,529 --> 00:06:37,929 So, where exactly did you see your grandmother? 141 00:06:37,931 --> 00:06:39,664 Actually right where I'm standing. 142 00:06:39,666 --> 00:06:42,200 She used to be in the kitchen a lot. 143 00:06:42,202 --> 00:06:43,635 What else is going on? 144 00:06:43,637 --> 00:06:47,305 We hear really loud noises going up and down the stairway. 145 00:06:47,307 --> 00:06:49,408 It actually sounds like a herd of buffalo. 146 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:50,776 - It's very loud. - All right. 147 00:06:50,778 --> 00:06:52,878 You got two kids here. How do you know it's not them? 148 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,746 Charlie sleeps with us. 149 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:57,115 Nathan sleeps heavy. 150 00:06:57,117 --> 00:06:58,517 Okay. So what else is going on? 151 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,586 Things get thrown, like, violently thrown. 152 00:07:01,588 --> 00:07:03,355 Like what, for instance? 153 00:07:03,357 --> 00:07:05,157 My hairbrush has gotten thrown 154 00:07:05,159 --> 00:07:07,592 completely across the room with force. 155 00:07:07,594 --> 00:07:09,294 Okay. Has anybody been hit by it? 156 00:07:09,296 --> 00:07:12,164 No, but it went about this far away 157 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:13,865 from the person's face. 158 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:15,700 So far, you guys have been kind of lucky. 159 00:07:15,702 --> 00:07:17,903 I mean, what if that caught somebody in the eye? 160 00:07:17,905 --> 00:07:19,938 I figure it's a matter of time. 161 00:07:19,940 --> 00:07:21,740 I mean, with all the stuff going on, you got to feel like 162 00:07:21,742 --> 00:07:24,643 - you're going out of your mind. - I feel insane. 163 00:07:26,914 --> 00:07:28,413 I'm seeing another guy. 164 00:07:28,415 --> 00:07:29,748 He's crazy. 165 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:32,884 I think he's been in and out of mental institutions. 166 00:07:32,886 --> 00:07:34,853 He's usually confused and lost, 167 00:07:34,855 --> 00:07:38,824 and he's, like, running through the walls, throwing a fit. 168 00:07:38,826 --> 00:07:40,525 I think that the living can hear him, 169 00:07:40,527 --> 00:07:42,461 and he's, like, right up in their faces. 170 00:07:42,463 --> 00:07:44,930 He's over them. He's staring at them. 171 00:07:44,932 --> 00:07:46,264 I think they would feel that, too, 172 00:07:46,266 --> 00:07:49,134 like, that kind of, like, smothering. 173 00:07:49,136 --> 00:07:51,069 They'd wake up and be like, "What the..." 174 00:07:51,071 --> 00:07:54,973 They know somebody's right there. 175 00:07:54,975 --> 00:07:56,608 He's very sick. 176 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:58,143 You're around this person enough, 177 00:07:58,145 --> 00:08:01,112 and you literally become insane. 178 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:07,886 Okay. Master bedroom. This is where you sleep 179 00:08:07,888 --> 00:08:08,920 - with your husband... - Yeah. 180 00:08:08,922 --> 00:08:10,689 - ...and Charlie. - And Charlie. 181 00:08:10,691 --> 00:08:12,123 Okay. So what's going on? 182 00:08:12,125 --> 00:08:14,292 Having really bad nightmares. 183 00:08:14,294 --> 00:08:16,428 Okay. Now, what kind of nightmares are you having? 184 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:18,763 I feel like I can't get home, 185 00:08:18,765 --> 00:08:20,966 like there's something very urgent, 186 00:08:20,968 --> 00:08:24,135 and someone keeps preventing me from coming home. 187 00:08:24,137 --> 00:08:25,537 Anybody else having dreams like that? 188 00:08:25,539 --> 00:08:26,972 Charlie does. 189 00:08:26,974 --> 00:08:29,774 He's woken up with bruises. I have a picture 190 00:08:29,776 --> 00:08:32,844 of when we woke him up. 191 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:35,046 That's not just a bruise. I mean -- 192 00:08:35,048 --> 00:08:36,748 What about you? Are you getting anything like this? 193 00:08:36,750 --> 00:08:39,651 Yeah. I wake up with bruises, scratches, 194 00:08:39,653 --> 00:08:41,386 like burning scratches. 195 00:08:41,388 --> 00:08:42,754 I have a picture. 196 00:08:42,756 --> 00:08:44,789 It actually puffs up. 197 00:08:44,791 --> 00:08:46,925 I mean, we are out in the middle of the mountains here. 198 00:08:46,927 --> 00:08:48,493 Any chance it could be some kind of a rodent 199 00:08:48,495 --> 00:08:50,228 that came in and did this to you or anything like -- 200 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:52,797 - No. - Okay. What else? 201 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:55,133 I feel like someone is watching me, 202 00:08:55,135 --> 00:08:57,135 but not just watching me, 203 00:08:57,137 --> 00:09:01,773 like, looming over my face and bed. 204 00:09:01,775 --> 00:09:03,308 - Do you see something? - No. 205 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:05,343 It's just a feeling I get. 206 00:09:05,345 --> 00:09:06,978 Okay. Anything else going on in here? 207 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:08,547 I was laying in bed, 208 00:09:08,549 --> 00:09:12,484 and I felt a hand grab my ankle, 209 00:09:12,486 --> 00:09:15,754 and it was a forceful grab. 210 00:09:15,756 --> 00:09:19,691 It was so unnerving and so scary. 211 00:09:19,693 --> 00:09:21,860 I just -- I couldn't believe 212 00:09:21,862 --> 00:09:23,995 it was -- that was actually happening. 213 00:09:23,997 --> 00:09:25,297 It's a nightmare. 214 00:09:25,299 --> 00:09:27,198 It's like an actual nightmare. 215 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,466 I mean, does your grandfather know 216 00:09:28,468 --> 00:09:30,135 the sacrifice you're making for him? 217 00:09:30,137 --> 00:09:31,870 No. I don't want him to know. 218 00:09:31,872 --> 00:09:33,238 I don't want him to worry. 219 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,306 He's 85. 220 00:09:34,308 --> 00:09:36,474 He should be enjoying his life. 221 00:09:36,476 --> 00:09:38,543 You know, I don't want to see him upset. 222 00:09:38,545 --> 00:09:40,445 I mean, he's 85. He lived his life. 223 00:09:40,447 --> 00:09:42,881 - Something's got to give here. - Yeah, I agree. 224 00:09:42,883 --> 00:09:45,850 Well, hopefully we can get some help for you that you need. 225 00:09:45,852 --> 00:09:47,252 Yeah. 226 00:09:47,254 --> 00:09:48,520 All right. 227 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,594 I'm seeing blood. 228 00:09:55,596 --> 00:09:57,395 All right. So, skeleton dude, 229 00:09:57,397 --> 00:10:00,065 the one I saw outside when I first got here, 230 00:10:00,067 --> 00:10:02,434 is with me, 231 00:10:02,436 --> 00:10:04,669 and he's like, "The writing's on the wall." 232 00:10:08,208 --> 00:10:09,474 I'm so nervous. 233 00:10:09,476 --> 00:10:11,409 Why are you here? 234 00:10:11,411 --> 00:10:14,479 He says he was asked to be here. 235 00:10:14,481 --> 00:10:15,981 The...would ask that? 236 00:10:15,983 --> 00:10:20,585 Okay. I'm going to assume that someone at some point here 237 00:10:20,587 --> 00:10:22,320 ...around with... 238 00:10:22,322 --> 00:10:26,257 and somehow pulled this dead guy here. 239 00:10:26,259 --> 00:10:29,661 He gets physical down here -- slapping, 240 00:10:29,663 --> 00:10:32,263 pulling, pushing, 241 00:10:32,265 --> 00:10:34,766 tugging them by the ankles down the bed. 242 00:10:34,768 --> 00:10:38,036 He's like, "I'll show you. I'll show you how...bad I am." 243 00:10:38,038 --> 00:10:40,405 He's like, "I have killed people." 244 00:11:00,193 --> 00:11:01,693 So, Charlie, let me ask you something. 245 00:11:01,695 --> 00:11:04,362 - How old are you? -6. 246 00:11:04,364 --> 00:11:06,464 So, this looks like a fun room to hang out in. 247 00:11:06,466 --> 00:11:08,500 I mean, do you like it in here? 248 00:11:08,502 --> 00:11:09,634 It's scary for me. 249 00:11:09,636 --> 00:11:11,436 It's scary? 250 00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:13,705 You seen some bad things here? 251 00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:15,273 Can you tell me about some of them? 252 00:11:15,275 --> 00:11:18,009 So, I've heard a noise in the kitchen. 253 00:11:18,011 --> 00:11:19,144 What kind of sound was it? 254 00:11:19,146 --> 00:11:21,346 It was like a bang sound. 255 00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:22,514 Okay. How many times? 256 00:11:22,516 --> 00:11:23,715 Three bangs. 257 00:11:23,717 --> 00:11:25,917 - Three bangs. - From one right here, 258 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:28,987 one in the kitchen, and then one right next to me. 259 00:11:28,989 --> 00:11:30,388 What else are you experiencing? 260 00:11:30,390 --> 00:11:33,958 I'm seeing stuff in my room. 261 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,193 Okay. What are you seeing? 262 00:11:35,195 --> 00:11:36,795 Black figures. 263 00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:38,329 How often do you see that? 264 00:11:38,331 --> 00:11:40,765 I only see it at night. 265 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:42,967 All right. So, what else are you seeing? 266 00:11:42,969 --> 00:11:46,104 I was, like, just watching TV, 267 00:11:46,106 --> 00:11:49,774 and I looked over at a bottle, 268 00:11:49,776 --> 00:11:52,243 and it when I was looking at it, it moved. 269 00:11:52,245 --> 00:11:54,946 - Where'd this happen? - In my room. 270 00:11:54,948 --> 00:11:58,083 Okay. So, Charlie, I know this place is scary for you, 271 00:11:58,085 --> 00:12:00,885 but if we could fix this, would you like to stay here? 272 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:04,122 I want you to get rid of it 273 00:12:04,124 --> 00:12:06,191 so I can sleep in my room again. 274 00:12:06,193 --> 00:12:07,792 Okay. That's what we're here for. 275 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,761 We're going to try to do that. Okay? 276 00:12:15,469 --> 00:12:18,536 Skeleton man, he's, like, showing me the person sleeping, 277 00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:21,039 and he's, like, covering their mouth 278 00:12:21,041 --> 00:12:23,675 and pinching their nose. 279 00:12:23,677 --> 00:12:26,044 He does that until 280 00:12:26,046 --> 00:12:28,813 they, like, pass out, 281 00:12:28,815 --> 00:12:30,115 and then he, like, lets go. 282 00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:33,585 So a lot of walking up, crying, being scared, 283 00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:37,288 seeing him, seeing him, screaming. 284 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:48,099 So, Corey, I was talking to your wife, Melissa, 285 00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:50,301 and she's really worried about Charlie. 286 00:12:50,303 --> 00:12:52,036 - How about you? - I mean, what do you do 287 00:12:52,038 --> 00:12:54,105 when your 6-year-old son comes to you, 288 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:56,508 and he's so worried about everything, 289 00:12:56,510 --> 00:12:58,343 and there's nothing I can do? 290 00:12:58,345 --> 00:13:00,011 What I want most for him is to be able 291 00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:02,247 to, you know, have a normal childhood. 292 00:13:02,249 --> 00:13:03,882 She was telling me about her grandfather. 293 00:13:03,884 --> 00:13:06,217 Is he that stubborn where he won't leave here? 294 00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:07,719 There's no talking him out of here. 295 00:13:07,721 --> 00:13:09,988 He'll die in this house. 296 00:13:09,990 --> 00:13:11,656 So, what experiences have you had? 297 00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:14,359 I see shadow figures all over the house. 298 00:13:14,361 --> 00:13:17,195 The one I saw was upstairs, had white eyes, 299 00:13:17,197 --> 00:13:19,631 and when I noticed it, 300 00:13:19,633 --> 00:13:22,033 it was kind of sinking into the floor. 301 00:13:22,035 --> 00:13:24,002 Now, how often are you seeing these things? 302 00:13:24,004 --> 00:13:26,171 Probably at least twice a week. 303 00:13:26,173 --> 00:13:28,306 All right. So you're seeing shadow figures. What else? 304 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:29,641 Everywhere we go in the house, 305 00:13:29,643 --> 00:13:31,943 it's a constant feeling of being watched. 306 00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:35,113 It's much heavier upstairs. 307 00:13:35,115 --> 00:13:37,816 Is it a peeping tom thing or somebody stalking you? 308 00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:40,618 It's more, like, just a presence right at your back 309 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:43,521 just looming over you, watching you. 310 00:13:43,523 --> 00:13:44,656 Anything else? 311 00:13:44,658 --> 00:13:47,392 I was actually attacked in the kitchen. 312 00:13:47,394 --> 00:13:49,994 How? I was standing next to the stove. 313 00:13:49,996 --> 00:13:53,765 There was a Tupperware container on top of the fridge, 314 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:55,500 and it flew across the counter 315 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,902 and hit me in the side of the head with force. 316 00:13:57,904 --> 00:14:00,605 - Were you alone? - No. Nathan was with me. 317 00:14:00,607 --> 00:14:02,340 Are you sure he didn't do it by accident? 318 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:04,642 Yeah, he was actually on the opposite side of me. 319 00:14:04,644 --> 00:14:06,444 Could have been a glass jar, God forbid. 320 00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:10,415 Right. It had very malicious intent. 321 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:12,584 With all the activity you guys are experiencing, 322 00:14:12,586 --> 00:14:15,119 it's got to be taking a toll on you and Melissa. 323 00:14:15,121 --> 00:14:17,222 Over the last few years, seeing, like, 324 00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:19,924 a total breakdown in her mentally. 325 00:14:19,926 --> 00:14:22,260 Sometimes she'll wake me up in the middle of the night, 326 00:14:22,262 --> 00:14:24,028 and she'll just be sobbing. 327 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:27,031 It just breaks my heart to see her that way. 328 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:30,168 And it's just totally taking a toll on her mental state, 329 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:31,903 and it's really hard to see her go through that. 330 00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:33,504 So, Corey, when I was talking to your wife, 331 00:14:33,506 --> 00:14:36,040 she mentioned that the house, she feels, 332 00:14:36,042 --> 00:14:38,243 is changing people's personalities. 333 00:14:38,245 --> 00:14:40,144 I definitely would agree with her on that. 334 00:14:40,146 --> 00:14:42,914 We go through bouts of anger, bouts of depression, 335 00:14:42,916 --> 00:14:44,315 and we'll kind of start bickering 336 00:14:44,317 --> 00:14:47,919 amongst each other as a family. 337 00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:49,754 When the anger comes on, does it come on real fast, 338 00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:52,757 - or does it build? - You just go from zero to pissed 339 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:56,261 in 0.2 seconds out of nowhere. 340 00:14:56,263 --> 00:14:57,695 Okay. 341 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,600 This skeleton guy, 342 00:15:02,602 --> 00:15:05,770 I think that he can jump someone here, 343 00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:08,973 and I think it's a male. 344 00:15:08,975 --> 00:15:11,776 So when he is that way, he is possessed. 345 00:15:11,778 --> 00:15:14,379 There's, like, a change, literally a physical -- 346 00:15:14,381 --> 00:15:16,948 There's some kind of physical change 347 00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:21,619 when he's inside of this person. 348 00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:23,655 The skeleton guy goes in, 349 00:15:23,657 --> 00:15:25,857 like, literally walk into the guy's body... 350 00:15:25,859 --> 00:15:27,358 - ...and take that energy 351 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,127 and utilize that anger. 352 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,202 He wants to get the dude possessed to kill other people. 353 00:15:50,517 --> 00:15:52,617 Melissa told me her uncle died in the house 354 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:54,719 when he was just 4 years old. 355 00:15:54,721 --> 00:15:57,155 She also told me her grandfather never talked about it. 356 00:15:57,157 --> 00:15:59,157 So I was a little surprised this morning when he asked me 357 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,526 to come over to discuss what happened. 358 00:16:07,267 --> 00:16:09,567 Gene, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. 359 00:16:09,569 --> 00:16:11,302 I know this is a hard subject. 360 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,571 But what can you tell me about your little boy, Jerry? 361 00:16:13,573 --> 00:16:15,807 He loved playing with the kids in the neighborhood, 362 00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:19,877 and he loved going to baseball games with his brothers, 363 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,714 just a normal 4-year-old boy. 364 00:16:25,585 --> 00:16:27,819 My God. He was such a cute kid. 365 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:29,454 Yeah, he was a cute kid. 366 00:16:29,456 --> 00:16:32,557 So, Gene, that day, what exactly happened? 367 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:36,828 On a hot day back in August of '67, 368 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:38,796 went off to work. 369 00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:41,532 Jerry and a neighborhood friend of his 370 00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:43,301 were looking for a place to play. 371 00:16:43,303 --> 00:16:46,537 And I had my old refrigerator in the garage. 372 00:16:46,539 --> 00:16:50,108 And when the boys got in it, I assume to cool off 373 00:16:50,110 --> 00:16:51,976 or hide, playing hide and seek, 374 00:16:51,978 --> 00:16:57,015 the door automatically caught when they closed the door. 375 00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,684 It was an accident. 376 00:16:59,686 --> 00:17:01,152 Okay. So they ran out of oxygen. 377 00:17:01,154 --> 00:17:03,421 Yeah. They suffocated. 378 00:17:03,423 --> 00:17:04,989 Okay. 379 00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:06,958 How'd you and your wife handle this? 380 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,829 As you can imagine, she was pretty well torn up. 381 00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:14,298 - Gene, how old are you now? - I'm 85. 382 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:15,867 And this still sticks with you today? 383 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,702 Yeah. Yeah. 384 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:21,139 That and my wife's death, also. 385 00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:23,441 So, Gene, how do you feel as far as, 386 00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:24,876 you know, your wife and your son? 387 00:17:24,878 --> 00:17:27,445 - You think they're here? - I don't know about the son, 388 00:17:27,447 --> 00:17:30,048 but my wife, I feel she's -- 389 00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:32,016 She's been looking after me, 390 00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:33,851 keeping me on the straight and narrow. 391 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:36,521 I think she said she was going to haunt me. 392 00:17:37,857 --> 00:17:40,558 - But in a good way. - In a good way, yeah. 393 00:17:44,164 --> 00:17:45,897 I see a woman. 394 00:17:45,899 --> 00:17:48,166 She's in her late 40s, early 50s. 395 00:17:48,168 --> 00:17:50,668 I see she has long brown hair. 396 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:52,103 It's kind of clipped up. 397 00:17:52,105 --> 00:17:53,538 She's wearing big glasses. 398 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:56,007 I think she's white, and she is crying. 399 00:17:58,178 --> 00:17:59,811 She was here at some point 400 00:17:59,813 --> 00:18:02,780 and very stressed out and hysterical. 401 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:04,248 I don't know what happened. 402 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:06,684 She's depressed, thoughts of suicide 403 00:18:06,686 --> 00:18:09,587 and stress. 404 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:11,289 She's screaming, crying, pleading, 405 00:18:11,291 --> 00:18:13,891 "No, no, no, not my baby." 406 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,997 So far, I've got a family being tormented by paranormal activity 407 00:18:19,999 --> 00:18:24,068 on a property where two young children suffocated. 408 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:27,338 But I want to see if there's anything else. 409 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:29,974 Searching through old records, I come across a serial killer 410 00:18:29,976 --> 00:18:32,510 named Clyde Carl Wilkerson. 411 00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:37,281 Turns out, he terrorized the El Cajon area for years. 412 00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:39,383 So I reached out to a local true crime writer 413 00:18:39,385 --> 00:18:41,486 who's on her way over to meet me. 414 00:18:41,488 --> 00:18:43,521 She says to this day, no one knows exactly 415 00:18:43,523 --> 00:18:45,523 how many people this guy killed. 416 00:18:50,363 --> 00:18:52,630 Cathy, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate that. 417 00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:53,998 So, let's start from the beginning. 418 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,267 What do we know about this Wilkerson guy? 419 00:18:56,269 --> 00:18:59,837 Clyde Carl Wilkerson was born in Northern California. 420 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:02,607 And from day one, he was trouble. 421 00:19:02,609 --> 00:19:06,344 He was almost a blueprint for becoming a serial killer. 422 00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:09,881 At age 6, he committed arson, was arrested for it. 423 00:19:09,883 --> 00:19:14,352 And at age 8, he was given psychiatric treatment. 424 00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:16,087 I mean, that's the youngest I've ever heard. 425 00:19:16,089 --> 00:19:18,156 He was in and out of mental institutions 426 00:19:18,158 --> 00:19:19,724 most of his childhood. 427 00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:24,362 I'm seeing the crazy guy again. 428 00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:28,599 I'm in his body, and I'm looking down a hospital corridor. 429 00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,768 No, it's not a hospital. 430 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:32,403 It's like a psych ward. 431 00:19:32,405 --> 00:19:34,972 I'm seeing only a few other patients, 432 00:19:34,974 --> 00:19:37,808 and I would say this is the 1940s or '50s. 433 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:42,280 He's strapped on a... weird table. 434 00:19:42,282 --> 00:19:44,982 The table looks like those tables 435 00:19:44,984 --> 00:19:49,487 that they do lethal injections on. 436 00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:52,423 I know that he was at least 437 00:19:52,425 --> 00:19:55,960 in some kind of institution on two occasions 438 00:19:55,962 --> 00:19:59,197 for his mental state. 439 00:20:01,634 --> 00:20:03,901 All right. So, Cathy, what's the body count with this guy? 440 00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:05,670 Well, he was convicted of three, 441 00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:08,105 but he was suspected of many more. 442 00:20:08,107 --> 00:20:10,775 Okay. So we know he did three. What about the first one? 443 00:20:10,777 --> 00:20:12,810 On June 6, 1965, 444 00:20:12,812 --> 00:20:15,246 just 3 miles from your client's home, 445 00:20:15,248 --> 00:20:17,715 Cheryl Burnett got home at 3:00 a.m. in the morning 446 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:20,718 from bowling with friends. She was 19 years old. 447 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,720 Her toddler was sleeping in the bedroom. 448 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,223 And Wilkerson broke in through a window 449 00:20:25,225 --> 00:20:27,558 and ended up raping her 450 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,026 and then strangling her 451 00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:31,395 - with a drapery cord. - All right. 452 00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:33,264 Does he get arrested then for that murder? 453 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:34,665 Not then for that murder, 454 00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:37,201 but he was always in trouble with the law. 455 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,273 Okay. What about the second one? 456 00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:44,609 This one was just a mile from your client's home. 457 00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:46,510 About two or three weeks later, 458 00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:48,446 a couple were getting ready for bed. 459 00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:50,414 Wilkerson goes into the apartment building 460 00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:53,484 and starts beating on the couple with a crescent wrench. 461 00:20:53,486 --> 00:20:57,054 He beat them so badly that he killed the husband. 462 00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:01,025 Does he kill the wife, as well? 463 00:21:01,027 --> 00:21:04,729 He raped the wife and left her for dead, but she survived. 464 00:21:04,731 --> 00:21:06,097 Okay. Was she able to identify him? 465 00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,199 She was unable to. 466 00:21:08,201 --> 00:21:10,167 Okay. So now we got two murders a couple weeks apart. 467 00:21:10,169 --> 00:21:11,302 When's the third one happen? 468 00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:14,505 Third one doesn't happen until 1975. 469 00:21:14,507 --> 00:21:16,574 Okay. So it's 1975. What happened? 470 00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:19,477 Wilkerson ends up going to Tulsa, Oklahoma, 471 00:21:19,479 --> 00:21:21,312 breaks into an apartment, 472 00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:24,548 and rapes and murders 473 00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:27,318 28-year-old college student Geraldine Martin. 474 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,020 All right. So we got three homicides we know he did. 475 00:21:29,022 --> 00:21:30,054 How did they catch him? 476 00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:32,423 Three letters -- DNA. 477 00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:36,093 The El Cajon Police Department, they grabbed him in 2002. 478 00:21:36,095 --> 00:21:37,995 I can only imagine there's got to be a lot more. 479 00:21:37,997 --> 00:21:40,965 I think he left a lot of bodies in his wake. 480 00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:42,900 Okay. So is this guy still alive? 481 00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:45,369 No. He died in 2016 482 00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:47,638 at age 77 of an illness. 483 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,474 He died in prison. 484 00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:51,742 So, there's this woman, 485 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:53,511 and it's a beautiful day out, 486 00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,946 and it's 1978. 487 00:21:55,948 --> 00:21:58,683 The crazy guy, he's watching her. 488 00:21:58,685 --> 00:22:01,052 And they're at the beach. 489 00:22:01,054 --> 00:22:04,488 And so I was like, "Did he do something to her?" 490 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:06,490 He might have killed her. 491 00:22:06,492 --> 00:22:08,492 He says he's very lost and confused. 492 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:10,528 He's very sick. 493 00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:11,962 Do you know how he died? 494 00:22:11,964 --> 00:22:15,800 I don't know. Dementia, maybe a stroke. 495 00:22:15,802 --> 00:22:19,603 He said they scrambled his brain. 496 00:22:19,605 --> 00:22:23,107 And he says, "I ruined everything, everything." 497 00:22:23,109 --> 00:22:26,010 And then I know he's dead, too. 498 00:22:32,118 --> 00:22:34,118 For more information about the show, 499 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:35,619 and if you need us to investigate 500 00:22:35,621 --> 00:22:37,488 unexplained activity in your home... 501 00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:40,624 Please visit travelchannel.com/thedeadfiles. 502 00:22:40,626 --> 00:22:42,893 Click on "Help me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 503 00:22:42,895 --> 00:22:43,928 and we'll help if we can. 504 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,374 You know, another thing caught my eye in research. 505 00:22:56,376 --> 00:22:58,509 The day after the attacks on Pearl Harbor, 506 00:22:58,511 --> 00:23:01,245 the military took over a bunch of land in the area, 507 00:23:01,247 --> 00:23:03,247 including Melissa and Corey's property. 508 00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:05,182 I'm heading over to meet with a military expert, 509 00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:07,585 who says there was a deadly accident on the site 510 00:23:07,587 --> 00:23:09,387 I definitely want to know about. 511 00:23:14,861 --> 00:23:17,161 Well, Sergeant Major, thanks for meeting with me. 512 00:23:17,163 --> 00:23:19,797 You mentioned on the phone that the military 513 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:21,699 basically just took over my client's property 514 00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:23,267 right after the Pearl Harbor attack. 515 00:23:23,269 --> 00:23:24,335 Now, was that common? 516 00:23:24,337 --> 00:23:26,036 It was very common on the West Coast. 517 00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:27,371 The Army came in. 518 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:29,373 The federal government seized the property. 519 00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:31,208 All right. So I know my client's house wasn't built yet, 520 00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:32,610 but who owned the property back then? 521 00:23:32,612 --> 00:23:35,613 This was a farm owned by a gentleman named Ed Fletcher. 522 00:23:35,615 --> 00:23:37,181 So what'd they wind up doing with the property? 523 00:23:37,183 --> 00:23:40,117 The property became an army camp known as Camp La Mesa, 524 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,553 and by the way, I have some pictures here 525 00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:45,656 of what the camp looked like at the early part of the war 526 00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:47,892 and then later when they actually built buildings. 527 00:23:47,894 --> 00:23:49,360 Had a pretty big setup, didn't they? 528 00:23:49,362 --> 00:23:51,862 It was an infantry regiment of 1,400 men. 529 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:53,964 So, you mentioned on the phone, there was a pretty bad accident 530 00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:55,166 I'm going to want to know about. 531 00:23:55,168 --> 00:23:57,735 Yeah, on April 24, 1942, 532 00:23:57,737 --> 00:24:00,204 there was mortar training. 533 00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:01,806 That's what the weapon looks like. 534 00:24:01,808 --> 00:24:03,240 Okay. I'm familiar with this. 535 00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:06,444 And one of the rounds exploded in the tube. 536 00:24:06,446 --> 00:24:09,146 Ooh. Now, how bad was this explosion? 537 00:24:09,148 --> 00:24:12,950 It killed five men instantly. One died in hospital. 538 00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:14,752 -16 were wounded. - Okay. 539 00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:17,621 So were there any other deaths that I should know about? 540 00:24:17,623 --> 00:24:20,891 Not that I'm aware of, but here at Gillespie Field, 541 00:24:20,893 --> 00:24:23,327 which bordered Ed Fletcher's property, 542 00:24:23,329 --> 00:24:27,331 there's been 24 people killed in 13 separate accidents. 543 00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:28,699 Okay. So that's a lot deaths. 544 00:24:28,701 --> 00:24:31,101 I don't want to go through all of them, but did any stand out? 545 00:24:31,103 --> 00:24:32,736 Yeah, two of them really stood out. 546 00:24:32,738 --> 00:24:35,105 In January of 1981, 547 00:24:35,107 --> 00:24:38,209 a 15-year-old by the name of Grant Thompson 548 00:24:38,211 --> 00:24:40,544 talked his mother, his stepfather, 549 00:24:40,546 --> 00:24:45,115 and two of their friends into flying to Las Vegas. 550 00:24:45,117 --> 00:24:47,651 Never mind that he had never flown a plane before. 551 00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:50,120 So these four adults got on a plane with a 15-year-old, 552 00:24:50,122 --> 00:24:52,723 - and this kid never flew. - That's correct. 553 00:24:52,725 --> 00:24:54,158 Okay. What the hell happened? 554 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,894 The plane never got off the ground. It crashed. 555 00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:59,563 All were killed aboard. 556 00:24:59,565 --> 00:25:00,965 Okay. That was a pretty bad accident. 557 00:25:00,967 --> 00:25:02,099 What about the second one? 558 00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:05,603 The second one was a Navy F-14 Tomcat 559 00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:08,639 flying out of Naval Air Station Miramar in San Diego. 560 00:25:08,641 --> 00:25:10,908 It encountered mechanical problems, 561 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:13,444 and the air crew had to eject. 562 00:25:13,446 --> 00:25:16,947 Upon ejection, one of the air crew broke his neck. 563 00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:19,283 All right. So do we know how he broke his neck? 564 00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:20,918 The plane was out of control. 565 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,621 It was upside down when they ejected, 566 00:25:23,623 --> 00:25:25,890 and he broke his neck somewhere in that process. 567 00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:28,592 - Okay. - Now, the plane did travel on 568 00:25:28,594 --> 00:25:31,095 and crashed here on the airfield. 569 00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:33,297 It injured three people. 570 00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:36,600 It destroyed $6 to $9 million worth of airport property. 571 00:25:36,602 --> 00:25:39,837 Have you ever seen this much death on one airfield before? 572 00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:41,205 Not that I'm aware of. 573 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:44,008 - It's, like, bad luck over here. - It's quite bizarre. 574 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:51,515 I'm seeing the skeleton dude in here. 575 00:25:51,517 --> 00:25:53,117 Do you know how he died? 576 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,187 I see blood, and I feel like he had a bad death. 577 00:25:57,189 --> 00:25:59,356 He's, like, dripping and melting. 578 00:26:02,528 --> 00:26:05,729 I know his neck got broken. 579 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:07,898 I mean, he looks a little burnt. 580 00:26:15,675 --> 00:26:19,109 I saw several dead people during my walk, 581 00:26:19,111 --> 00:26:21,645 but the skeleton man tormenting a child 582 00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,048 had me the most concerned. 583 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,716 There's this dead guy 584 00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:29,720 who doesn't really have any clothes on. 585 00:26:29,722 --> 00:26:32,423 There were definitely a lot of areas 586 00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:36,093 on his body and face that were burned. 587 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:41,599 And there was a child in a bed, 588 00:26:41,601 --> 00:26:45,769 and he has his hands on the kid's face, 589 00:26:45,771 --> 00:26:49,506 over the mouth and pinching the nose. 590 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:56,046 Amy, is this what you saw? 591 00:26:56,048 --> 00:26:57,081 Yes. 592 00:27:17,236 --> 00:27:20,070 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 593 00:27:20,072 --> 00:27:22,172 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 594 00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:24,575 and our clients for the first time. 595 00:27:24,577 --> 00:27:27,277 So, Amy, this is Melissa and her husband, Corey. 596 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:28,712 Now, Melissa grew up in this house 597 00:27:28,714 --> 00:27:32,116 and had a miserable time here. 598 00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,284 But she has a huge heart. 599 00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:36,020 She moved her entire family back here 600 00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:40,991 to take care of her 85-year-old grandfather, Gene. 601 00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:43,394 This is her 16-year-old son, Nathan, 602 00:27:43,396 --> 00:27:46,797 and this is Charlie, who's 6. 603 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,465 Now, he's the reason we're here. 604 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:49,767 Kid's having a rough time, 605 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:51,135 and Melissa is scared 606 00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:54,004 his childhood's going to be ruined just like hers was. 607 00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:56,340 So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys, 608 00:27:56,342 --> 00:27:58,609 I'll ask her describe her walk for us. 609 00:28:00,846 --> 00:28:05,049 The first thing that I got was a deceased female. 610 00:28:05,051 --> 00:28:06,817 She's white, and I got 611 00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,253 that she was in her late 40s, early 50s. 612 00:28:09,255 --> 00:28:12,056 I also got that she was living here 613 00:28:12,058 --> 00:28:15,192 around 1980s or early 1990s. 614 00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:17,161 She spent most of her time in the kitchen 615 00:28:17,163 --> 00:28:20,431 and dining area, which is where she is still. 616 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,434 I saw her in a very bad state. 617 00:28:23,436 --> 00:28:25,903 She was hysterically crying. 618 00:28:25,905 --> 00:28:28,405 She was extremely depressed. 619 00:28:28,407 --> 00:28:29,606 She's very stressed out. 620 00:28:29,608 --> 00:28:33,343 She was screaming, "No, no, no, not my baby." 621 00:28:33,345 --> 00:28:35,813 Now, Melissa lost her grandmother about 10 years ago? 622 00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:38,982 Yeah. Well, you just described her, basically. 623 00:28:38,984 --> 00:28:41,251 You told me you saw your grandmother's apparition 624 00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:42,486 - in the kitchen. - Yeah. 625 00:28:42,488 --> 00:28:44,688 And I could tell you exactly what she was wearing. 626 00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:46,256 And we just looked at each other. 627 00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:47,791 It scared me. 628 00:28:47,793 --> 00:28:50,794 So, why are you afraid of her? 629 00:28:50,796 --> 00:28:52,262 She was a strict woman. 630 00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:54,198 She tried to teach me how to be a lady. 631 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,101 And, you know, she had a lot of kids. 632 00:28:57,103 --> 00:29:00,137 And she lost her youngest child here. 633 00:29:00,139 --> 00:29:02,906 Okay. You should know about Melissa's uncle, Jerry. 634 00:29:02,908 --> 00:29:05,142 He died in the garage when he was 4 years old. 635 00:29:05,144 --> 00:29:08,145 On August 30, 1967, Jerry was playing with another kid 636 00:29:08,147 --> 00:29:09,847 in the neighborhood who was 3 years old, 637 00:29:09,849 --> 00:29:12,816 and they walked into a fridge that was in the garage. 638 00:29:12,818 --> 00:29:15,586 The door locked on them, and they suffocated. 639 00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:18,655 I got a photo of Jerry. He was a really cute kid, too. 640 00:29:21,861 --> 00:29:26,396 Now, I actually have a picture of Melissa's grandmother. 641 00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:29,700 Is it possible this is who you saw? 642 00:29:29,702 --> 00:29:33,170 Yeah. I'm sorry. 643 00:29:33,172 --> 00:29:34,972 Do you think she ever got over Jerry passing? 644 00:29:34,974 --> 00:29:36,373 No. 645 00:29:36,375 --> 00:29:39,843 It's kind of hard to think that, you know, she hasn't moved past. 646 00:29:39,845 --> 00:29:44,782 That's what's hard for me right now to accept. 647 00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:50,721 Okay. So what else? 648 00:29:50,723 --> 00:29:55,592 So there's two other dead people who are very present, 649 00:29:55,594 --> 00:29:58,128 and I'm concerned about them. 650 00:29:58,130 --> 00:30:02,499 The first individual has mental disorders, mental illness. 651 00:30:02,501 --> 00:30:04,568 He's definitely nuts. 652 00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:07,204 I do think that he would affect the living. 653 00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:09,940 I thought maybe some of you would hear him, 654 00:30:09,942 --> 00:30:12,242 because he does get a little worked up, 655 00:30:12,244 --> 00:30:16,113 and so he'll start banging things, throwing things. 656 00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:18,148 I was attacked in the kitchen. 657 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:20,751 There was a Tupperware on top of the fridge, 658 00:30:20,753 --> 00:30:22,586 and it flew across the counter 659 00:30:22,588 --> 00:30:25,823 and hit me with force in the side of the head. 660 00:30:25,825 --> 00:30:28,025 - Wow. - When I spoke to Charlie, 661 00:30:28,027 --> 00:30:31,795 he told me that he hears a lot of things banging, 662 00:30:31,797 --> 00:30:33,063 scratching noises. 663 00:30:33,065 --> 00:30:35,732 - He doesn't sleep downstairs. 664 00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:37,668 - Okay. - He hasn't for over a year. 665 00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:39,570 He sleeps with us. 666 00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:41,104 Okay. 667 00:30:41,106 --> 00:30:43,106 The other thing that unnerved me 668 00:30:43,108 --> 00:30:46,109 was that he does watch, 669 00:30:46,111 --> 00:30:49,313 and he stares, and he'll get right in your face 670 00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:52,416 and do this. 671 00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:56,153 Being subjected to him consistently 672 00:30:56,155 --> 00:30:59,389 can make you feel like you're going insane. 673 00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:02,993 Actually, that's part of the reason why I called you guys. 674 00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,995 Sometimes I can't go to sleep 675 00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:08,098 because I feel like somebody's pacing on my side of the bed, 676 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:09,833 back and forth, back and forth, 677 00:31:09,835 --> 00:31:14,304 and that he leans over and is right in my face. 678 00:31:14,306 --> 00:31:18,008 I've spent whole nights just crying 679 00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:22,312 because it feels so intrusive. 680 00:31:22,314 --> 00:31:24,481 Any idea who this guy might have been when he was alive? 681 00:31:24,483 --> 00:31:29,052 What I was able to get from him was that he had been 682 00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:31,588 in and out of mental institutions, 683 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:35,359 and I was getting the 1940s, 1950s with him, 684 00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:39,529 and he was showing me 685 00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:42,165 that he's on a beach. He's looking out. 686 00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:45,736 There's a young, attractive woman. 687 00:31:45,738 --> 00:31:47,671 It was 1978. 688 00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:50,841 I believe he killed her. 689 00:31:50,843 --> 00:31:53,277 Wow. It's interesting, 'cause the stuff you're talking about 690 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,180 reminds me of a serial killer that terrorized the city. 691 00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:59,650 Now, the guy's name is Clyde Carl Wilkerson. 692 00:31:59,652 --> 00:32:01,618 This kid was bad news from the start. 693 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:04,521 Wilkerson was arrested for arson at the age of 6. 694 00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:06,523 Then he was in and out of mental hospitals 695 00:32:06,525 --> 00:32:07,958 starting at the age of 8. 696 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,294 Holy... 697 00:32:10,296 --> 00:32:11,995 Now, you mentioned mental institutions 698 00:32:11,997 --> 00:32:13,363 in the '40s and '50s. 699 00:32:13,365 --> 00:32:15,565 Now, Wilkerson was born in '38, 700 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:17,734 so the time frame matches. 701 00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:20,504 Unfortunately, in the '60s, he started killing. 702 00:32:20,506 --> 00:32:23,874 In 1965, he beat, strangled, and raped a 19-year-old girl 703 00:32:23,876 --> 00:32:25,309 a couple of miles from here 704 00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:28,412 while her 2-year-old son slept in the other room. 705 00:32:28,414 --> 00:32:30,047 A few weeks later, this sick bastard 706 00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:32,182 breaks into an older couple's house 707 00:32:32,184 --> 00:32:34,284 less than a mile from here. 708 00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:36,720 He beats the man to death. 709 00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:40,123 Then he raped and badly beat his wife, leaving her for dead. 710 00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:42,793 She survived. Barely, though. 711 00:32:42,795 --> 00:32:45,562 She was never right again and couldn't identify him. 712 00:32:45,564 --> 00:32:48,365 Now, in 1975, he struck again. 713 00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:51,268 Now, this time, his victim was a 28-year-old student 714 00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:53,103 named Geraldine Martin. 715 00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:55,472 He wound up raping and murdering her, too. 716 00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:59,242 This guy may have killed more, but that's all they got him on. 717 00:32:59,244 --> 00:33:01,912 Now, he wasn't arrested until 2002. 718 00:33:01,914 --> 00:33:04,314 Holy... 719 00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:08,151 I got a great mug shot array of him 720 00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:11,488 from when he was younger to when he was older. 721 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:15,525 Now, what do you think? Is this who you might have seen? 722 00:33:15,527 --> 00:33:16,893 Yes. 723 00:33:16,895 --> 00:33:19,496 This just blows my -- my mind. 724 00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:20,664 And when did he die? 725 00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:23,667 Last year. 726 00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:27,571 Everything started happening about a year ago here, 727 00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:30,173 like, real bad. 728 00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:31,608 That makes me totally disgusted. 729 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:34,211 I don't want this guy around my kid. 730 00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:37,481 I agree. 731 00:33:37,483 --> 00:33:42,619 The next guy that I encountered, I felt, was the bigger threat. 732 00:33:42,621 --> 00:33:46,256 The way he showed himself was extremely disturbing. 733 00:33:46,258 --> 00:33:49,059 He looked like a skeleton, and it looked like 734 00:33:49,061 --> 00:33:52,562 he had burns all over his body. 735 00:33:52,564 --> 00:33:55,932 And this skeleton guy 736 00:33:55,934 --> 00:33:58,268 was not a good person in life. 737 00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:01,238 He said that he did kill people. 738 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,839 Because of how he looked, 739 00:34:02,841 --> 00:34:05,575 I believe he had a really gruesome death, 740 00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:07,944 and I think the thing that killed him 741 00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:12,182 - was actually a broken neck. - I have history that I really 742 00:34:12,184 --> 00:34:14,584 don't think has anything to do with who she's talking about, 743 00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:16,787 but I think it's something you guys should know about. 744 00:34:16,789 --> 00:34:18,755 Now, the day after the attacks on Pearl Harbor, 745 00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:22,059 the military came in and enforced eminent domain 746 00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:23,427 and took over all the property, 747 00:34:23,429 --> 00:34:26,329 and then they created two military bases here. 748 00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:27,864 One camp was La Mesa. 749 00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:30,734 The other one was right next to your old property line, 750 00:34:30,736 --> 00:34:32,736 and that's called Gillespie Field now. 751 00:34:32,738 --> 00:34:34,004 According to the expert I talked to, 752 00:34:34,006 --> 00:34:37,808 there have been 13 separate accidents there 753 00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:40,610 that killed 24 people. 754 00:34:40,612 --> 00:34:42,245 One stood to me was this one. 755 00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:46,416 It was an F-14 in 1988 that malfunctioned 756 00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:48,418 and began spinning out of control. 757 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:51,254 When the two pilots ejected from the airplane, 758 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,624 one of them broke his neck upon impact. 759 00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:55,792 Any chance one of these deaths 760 00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:58,095 could have been the skeleton guy you saw? 761 00:34:58,097 --> 00:35:01,164 No. Mnh-mnh. 762 00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:03,733 Okay. So now we have an idea who it's not. 763 00:35:03,735 --> 00:35:06,503 So why is this skeleton guy such a big threat? 764 00:35:06,505 --> 00:35:08,271 When I first got here, he told me 765 00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:11,208 that he causes pain and death. 766 00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:14,411 He did get physical with me a couple of times, 767 00:35:14,413 --> 00:35:17,280 and I do believe that he's very capable 768 00:35:17,282 --> 00:35:20,450 of becoming physical with living people. 769 00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:24,921 One of the things that I saw and felt this skeleton guy does 770 00:35:24,923 --> 00:35:28,024 is, like, slapping and pushing 771 00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,961 and hitting people. 772 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,763 The other thing I saw was he was wrapping his hands 773 00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:35,999 around the bottom of the feet and the ankles 774 00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:39,803 and pulling them out of bed. 775 00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:41,104 Tell Amy what happened. 776 00:35:41,106 --> 00:35:44,474 I was laying there, and I got a grab on my ankle, 777 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,343 a real tight grab. 778 00:35:46,345 --> 00:35:48,645 - Really? - And it scared me to death. 779 00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:50,680 Well, you even wake up with scratches and bruises. 780 00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:52,048 - Yeah. - Okay. 781 00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:54,951 Lookit. Here's one of the scratches she took pictures of. 782 00:35:54,953 --> 00:35:55,986 Wow. 783 00:35:55,988 --> 00:35:57,420 That's, like, nothing. 784 00:35:57,422 --> 00:36:01,024 And matter of fact, Charlie wakes up 785 00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:04,294 with bruises on him. 786 00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:06,229 Yeah, I know. 787 00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:13,336 Okay. So, the other thing that I saw him doing 788 00:36:13,338 --> 00:36:16,473 was possessing a living male here. 789 00:36:18,777 --> 00:36:21,411 He can enter the body and take over 790 00:36:21,413 --> 00:36:23,980 and completely change his personality, 791 00:36:23,982 --> 00:36:27,484 and that would be becoming angry and violent. 792 00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:31,922 I go from zero to angry in 0.5 seconds. 793 00:36:31,924 --> 00:36:35,325 Do you notice, when he does that, any physical changes? 794 00:36:35,327 --> 00:36:37,194 Yes. If we're fighting, 795 00:36:37,196 --> 00:36:40,864 he has this specific face where he looks at me, 796 00:36:40,866 --> 00:36:45,468 almost like a disgust, the way he squints his eyes. 797 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:48,738 The other thing that I saw him doing was, 798 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:50,240 we went into the little room, 799 00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:51,841 - the little blue room. - Yep, yep. 800 00:36:51,843 --> 00:36:53,777 And that blue room's Charlie's room, right? 801 00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,546 It's the one he won't sleep in. 802 00:36:56,548 --> 00:37:00,050 And what I saw was very disturbing. 803 00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:03,954 I did have a sketch done of what I saw happening in there. 804 00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:14,097 Jesus. 805 00:37:16,835 --> 00:37:20,503 I don't even want to show it to them. 806 00:37:20,505 --> 00:37:21,972 My gosh. 807 00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,347 I want to say that it's a surprising picture, 808 00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:34,050 but the way he thrashes around at night. 809 00:37:34,052 --> 00:37:37,354 He's always saying, "No. Stop. Get away." 810 00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:38,955 So what's he doing in this picture? 811 00:37:38,957 --> 00:37:40,390 He was trying to smother him. 812 00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:43,960 He was covering his mouth, pinching his nose. 813 00:37:43,962 --> 00:37:49,532 Obviously, he's trying to kill your child. 814 00:37:49,534 --> 00:37:53,436 I did get that sometimes the kid would wake up 815 00:37:53,438 --> 00:37:55,939 and would actually see him in his room, 816 00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:58,341 and he was crying, and it scares him. 817 00:38:00,479 --> 00:38:03,680 That's just...disgusting. That pisses me off to no end. 818 00:38:03,682 --> 00:38:06,950 I can't -- I mean -- 819 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:10,553 Yeah. I don't even have any words. 820 00:38:10,555 --> 00:38:12,856 I'm extremely, extremely worried, 821 00:38:12,858 --> 00:38:16,359 because this guy wants death, 822 00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:20,563 and he wants to be able to jump the living male here 823 00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:22,699 and have basically, you know, 824 00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:27,003 a murder-suicide kind of situation. 825 00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:28,438 He showed me where he enters you. 826 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,274 He said it's on your right side right here. 827 00:38:31,276 --> 00:38:35,845 I get rib pain on that side all the time. 828 00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:39,182 I don't even know what to say to you guys. 829 00:38:39,184 --> 00:38:40,717 This is bad. 830 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,554 This is -- It is. Bad. 831 00:38:44,556 --> 00:38:47,290 Would I be able to just, like, have just maybe 832 00:38:47,292 --> 00:38:48,992 - a minute or two? - Yeah. 833 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:09,479 Now, Melissa, you called us in 834 00:39:09,481 --> 00:39:12,682 because you wanted us to save your son. 835 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:16,720 But as it turns out, your entire family is in danger. 836 00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:18,321 And I know taking care of your grandfather 837 00:39:18,323 --> 00:39:21,324 means everything to you, but I don't know how 838 00:39:21,326 --> 00:39:23,593 you're going to be able to do that here safely. 839 00:39:23,595 --> 00:39:25,995 For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 840 00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:33,069 So, I'm very worried. 841 00:39:33,071 --> 00:39:37,874 My suggestion is that you leave as soon as possible. 842 00:39:40,412 --> 00:39:43,480 You guys need to put a lot of distance 843 00:39:43,482 --> 00:39:46,616 between here and where you go. 844 00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:51,287 But before entering a new place of residence, 845 00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:54,357 you need to have a male 846 00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:57,994 who is a psychic and a reiki master, 847 00:39:57,996 --> 00:40:01,364 because this skeleton guy, 848 00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:05,902 he showed me that he has entered you on several occasions. 849 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:09,739 There could be cords there. 850 00:40:09,741 --> 00:40:11,808 And the psychic reiki master 851 00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:15,945 will be doing a cord removal and cutting. 852 00:40:15,947 --> 00:40:18,314 This can be painful, 853 00:40:18,316 --> 00:40:21,618 but you'll feel so much better after it's done. 854 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:23,420 Now, what about Charlie? 855 00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:27,857 Other than obviously removing him from this location, 856 00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:32,262 he is clear right now. 857 00:40:32,264 --> 00:40:35,098 Now, what about Melissa? Does she have to do anything, or -- 858 00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:40,136 No. Mnh-mnh. 859 00:40:40,138 --> 00:40:42,172 What are the chances Gene's going to come with you, 860 00:40:42,174 --> 00:40:44,007 your grandfather? 861 00:40:44,009 --> 00:40:45,275 I don't think they're very high. 862 00:40:45,277 --> 00:40:49,045 I'll try to get him to come with us, but... 863 00:40:49,047 --> 00:40:52,315 I don't know that he's going to want to go. 864 00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,451 You said something to me the other day 865 00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:57,454 that I thought about for a long time. 866 00:40:57,456 --> 00:40:59,989 He's 85, and he has lived his life, 867 00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:02,425 and my son hasn't, so... 868 00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:05,128 So, the main thing is, you called us in for Charlie. 869 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,330 So my question to you is, if they move 870 00:41:07,332 --> 00:41:09,399 and they do everything you tell them to do, 871 00:41:09,401 --> 00:41:11,367 this kid should have a normal life, Charlie? 872 00:41:11,369 --> 00:41:13,303 Yes, as long as y'all do 873 00:41:13,305 --> 00:41:15,071 everything I'm telling you to do. 874 00:41:15,073 --> 00:41:16,840 I had already made up my mind 875 00:41:16,842 --> 00:41:18,675 if it was going to be something like this 876 00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:22,045 - that we were going to leave. - Absolutely. We're gone. 877 00:41:22,047 --> 00:41:24,814 The kids come first, 878 00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:28,952 and they got to have a normal childhood. 879 00:41:28,954 --> 00:41:31,554 The only way this family can remain safe 880 00:41:31,556 --> 00:41:34,691 is to move as far away as possible. 881 00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:37,327 They also need to contact a psychic reiki master 882 00:41:37,329 --> 00:41:39,729 to break Corey's negative attachments. 883 00:41:39,731 --> 00:41:43,166 If they do that, they can leave the skeleton man behind 884 00:41:43,168 --> 00:41:45,902 and begin a peaceful life somewhere else. 885 00:41:45,952 --> 00:41:50,502 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 67681

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