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I'm seeing blood.
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He doesn't have a face anymore.
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It kills me to think
that he's going
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to have to grow up
like I did.
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You're around
this person enough,
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and you literally become insane.
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He left a lot of bodies
in his wake.
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He might have killed her.
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All I want for my family
is to be safe.
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I'm extremely worried.
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This guy wants death.
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This is not a good situation.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's death here.
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Don't want to go down there.
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I see dead people.
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They hide in the walls,
and they watch.
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I speak to dead people.
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She's definitely
a serial killer.
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And they speak to me.
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She's going to torture them.
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But there's only one way
to know if my findings are real.
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They were all murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So, is this the only time
you've been physically attacked?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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There's no question
in my mind
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that he was talking
about Satan.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who do you think
possessed you?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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Well, you're not gonna
want to see this.
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...when we uncover
if it's safe for you to stay...
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Hell no!
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...or time to get out.
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Everyone is in jeopardy.
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I'm in El Cajon, California.
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It's a blue-collar suburb
just outside of San Diego.
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I got a call from a woman
named Melissa.
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Now, she sounded really bad.
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She told me she was forced
to move back into the house
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that destroyed her childhood,
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and now she's convinced
whatever's there
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is going after
her 6-year-old son.
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She really needs our help bad,
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and I'm hoping
we can help her out.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house
of any leading information.
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Photographs, artwork,
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and religious statues
can influence her findings,
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so it's important that I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm finished,
the location will be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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A man is showing me
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this, like,
6- to 7-foot skeleton,
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half-burnt mess,
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and he's, like, oozing,
dripping...stuff,
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like, blood.
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And he says,
"I am the great deceiver."
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He goes, "Living are being
driven insane
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by the madness
that surrounds them."
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And he goes, "You think this
is crazy, you ain't seen..."
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So, Melissa, when we spoke
on the phone,
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you sounded pretty upset.
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Yeah.
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Especially about
your youngest son.
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What's going on?
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Charlie says he hears noises
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and sees things
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that kids --
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You can't just
fake stuff like that.
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How long has this been
going on with him?
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He's lived in this house
his whole life,
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and he started
talking to us about it
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when he was like 3 or 4.
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All right.
So who else lives in the house?
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My grandfather. He's 85.
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- Okay.
- Myself.
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My husband, Corey.
Charlie, he is 6,
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and Nathan, who is 16.
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- I understand you grew up here.
- Yeah, I did.
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And it was pretty bad
for you as a kid.
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Yeah.
I always had experiences,
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and they never stopped
until I left.
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It kills me to think
that he's going
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to have to grow up
like I did.
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I don't want that.
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I just don't. I want him
to have a normal childhood.
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Why would you come back?
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My grandmother passed away,
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and my grandfather wasn't
doing so well on his own.
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The only reason
why I came back.
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Okay.
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This is actually a picture
of her with a young Nathan.
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What did she die of?
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She had a routine back surgery
that went wrong.
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She came home,
and two days later,
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she went rushed back to
the hospital, and she was dead.
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Any other history
I should know about?
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I had an uncle who passed away
here as a child.
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- As a child?
- As a child.
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And this is your
grandfather's son?
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- Yeah.
- You think your grandfather
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would be willing
to talk to me?
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We've never really
discussed it much before.
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- Okay.
- You can try.
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So, Melissa, I know you guys
are going through hell here,
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but give me an idea
or a list of what's happening.
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Things move on their own.
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We have fluctuating moods,
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horrible nightmares,
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and, like, physical attacks.
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You mentioned mood swings.
What did you mean by that?
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I can just get super angry
or super sad, super depressed.
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It's just -- on a dime.
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And I've never been
a depressed person.
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Why don't you just
leave here, honey,
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and take your
grandfather with you?
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He doesn't want to go.
He's asked to die in this house.
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That's his wishes.
I want to respect his wishes.
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- Um...
- Okay.
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He helped raise me.
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He did so much for me,
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and I want him to live
the rest of his life happy.
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There's another man here,
and he's very sad.
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I think he's suffering
from severe depression.
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You know, all he does
is sit in a ball
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and...cry all the...time.
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So he is definitely
filling the location
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with this despair and heaviness.
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The living here
would feel depressed,
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thoughts of suicide and stress,
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so we got to get him out.
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Okay.
So, what's going on in here?
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In here, I've seen a full
apparition of my grandmother.
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So, where exactly did you
see your grandmother?
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Actually right where
I'm standing.
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She used to be
in the kitchen a lot.
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What else is going on?
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We hear really loud noises
going up and down the stairway.
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It actually sounds like
a herd of buffalo.
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- It's very loud.
- All right.
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You got two kids here.
How do you know it's not them?
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Charlie sleeps with us.
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Nathan sleeps heavy.
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Okay.
So what else is going on?
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Things get thrown,
like, violently thrown.
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Like what, for instance?
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My hairbrush
has gotten thrown
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completely across the room
with force.
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Okay.
Has anybody been hit by it?
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No, but it went
about this far away
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from the person's face.
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So far, you guys have been
kind of lucky.
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I mean, what if that caught
somebody in the eye?
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I figure
it's a matter of time.
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I mean, with all the stuff
going on, you got to feel like
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- you're going out of your mind.
- I feel insane.
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I'm seeing another guy.
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He's crazy.
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I think he's been in and out
of mental institutions.
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He's usually confused and lost,
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and he's, like, running through
the walls, throwing a fit.
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I think that the living
can hear him,
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and he's, like,
right up in their faces.
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He's over them.
He's staring at them.
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I think they would
feel that, too,
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like, that kind of,
like, smothering.
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They'd wake up and be like,
"What the..."
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They know
somebody's right there.
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He's very sick.
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You're around
this person enough,
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and you literally become insane.
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Okay. Master bedroom.
This is where you sleep
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- with your husband...
- Yeah.
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- ...and Charlie.
- And Charlie.
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Okay.
So what's going on?
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Having really
bad nightmares.
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Okay. Now, what kind
of nightmares are you having?
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I feel like
I can't get home,
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like there's
something very urgent,
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and someone keeps preventing me
from coming home.
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Anybody else having
dreams like that?
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Charlie does.
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He's woken up with bruises.
I have a picture
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of when we woke him up.
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That's not just a bruise.
I mean --
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What about you? Are you
getting anything like this?
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Yeah. I wake up with bruises,
scratches,
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like burning scratches.
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I have a picture.
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It actually puffs up.
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I mean, we are out in the middle
of the mountains here.
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Any chance it could be
some kind of a rodent
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that came in and did this to you
or anything like --
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- No.
- Okay. What else?
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I feel like someone
is watching me,
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but not just watching me,
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like, looming over
my face and bed.
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- Do you see something?
- No.
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It's just a feeling I get.
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Okay.
Anything else going on in here?
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I was laying in bed,
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and I felt a hand
grab my ankle,
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and it was a forceful grab.
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It was so unnerving
and so scary.
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I just --
I couldn't believe
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it was --
that was actually happening.
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It's a nightmare.
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It's like
an actual nightmare.
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I mean, does
your grandfather know
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the sacrifice you're
making for him?
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No.
I don't want him to know.
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I don't want him to worry.
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He's 85.
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He should be
enjoying his life.
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You know, I don't want
to see him upset.
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I mean, he's 85.
He lived his life.
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- Something's got to give here.
- Yeah, I agree.
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Well, hopefully we can get
some help for you that you need.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I'm seeing blood.
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All right. So, skeleton dude,
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the one I saw outside
when I first got here,
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is with me,
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and he's like,
"The writing's on the wall."
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I'm so nervous.
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Why are you here?
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He says he was asked to be here.
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The...would ask that?
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Okay. I'm going to assume
that someone at some point here
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...around with...
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and somehow
pulled this dead guy here.
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He gets physical down here --
slapping,
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pulling, pushing,
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tugging them
by the ankles down the bed.
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He's like, "I'll show you.
I'll show you how...bad I am."
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He's like,
"I have killed people."
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So, Charlie,
let me ask you something.
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- How old are you?
-6.
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So, this looks like a fun room
to hang out in.
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I mean, do you like it
in here?
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It's scary for me.
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It's scary?
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You seen some bad things here?
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Can you tell me
about some of them?
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So, I've heard a noise
in the kitchen.
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What kind of sound was it?
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It was like a bang sound.
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00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:22,514
Okay.
How many times?
256
00:11:22,516 --> 00:11:23,715
Three bangs.
257
00:11:23,717 --> 00:11:25,917
- Three bangs.
- From one right here,
258
00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:28,987
one in the kitchen,
and then one right next to me.
259
00:11:28,989 --> 00:11:30,388
What else
are you experiencing?
260
00:11:30,390 --> 00:11:33,958
I'm seeing stuff in my room.
261
00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,193
Okay.
What are you seeing?
262
00:11:35,195 --> 00:11:36,795
Black figures.
263
00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:38,329
How often do you see that?
264
00:11:38,331 --> 00:11:40,765
I only see it at night.
265
00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:42,967
All right.
So, what else are you seeing?
266
00:11:42,969 --> 00:11:46,104
I was, like,
just watching TV,
267
00:11:46,106 --> 00:11:49,774
and I looked over
at a bottle,
268
00:11:49,776 --> 00:11:52,243
and it when I was
looking at it, it moved.
269
00:11:52,245 --> 00:11:54,946
- Where'd this happen?
- In my room.
270
00:11:54,948 --> 00:11:58,083
Okay. So, Charlie, I know
this place is scary for you,
271
00:11:58,085 --> 00:12:00,885
but if we could fix this,
would you like to stay here?
272
00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:04,122
I want you to get rid of it
273
00:12:04,124 --> 00:12:06,191
so I can sleep
in my room again.
274
00:12:06,193 --> 00:12:07,792
Okay. That's what
we're here for.
275
00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,761
We're going to try
to do that. Okay?
276
00:12:15,469 --> 00:12:18,536
Skeleton man, he's, like,
showing me the person sleeping,
277
00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:21,039
and he's, like,
covering their mouth
278
00:12:21,041 --> 00:12:23,675
and pinching their nose.
279
00:12:23,677 --> 00:12:26,044
He does that until
280
00:12:26,046 --> 00:12:28,813
they, like, pass out,
281
00:12:28,815 --> 00:12:30,115
and then he, like, lets go.
282
00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:33,585
So a lot of walking up,
crying, being scared,
283
00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:37,288
seeing him,
seeing him, screaming.
284
00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:48,099
So, Corey, I was talking
to your wife, Melissa,
285
00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:50,301
and she's really
worried about Charlie.
286
00:12:50,303 --> 00:12:52,036
- How about you?
- I mean, what do you do
287
00:12:52,038 --> 00:12:54,105
when your 6-year-old son
comes to you,
288
00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:56,508
and he's so worried
about everything,
289
00:12:56,510 --> 00:12:58,343
and there's nothing
I can do?
290
00:12:58,345 --> 00:13:00,011
What I want most for him
is to be able
291
00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:02,247
to, you know, have
a normal childhood.
292
00:13:02,249 --> 00:13:03,882
She was telling me
about her grandfather.
293
00:13:03,884 --> 00:13:06,217
Is he that stubborn
where he won't leave here?
294
00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:07,719
There's no talking him
out of here.
295
00:13:07,721 --> 00:13:09,988
He'll die in this house.
296
00:13:09,990 --> 00:13:11,656
So, what experiences
have you had?
297
00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:14,359
I see shadow figures
all over the house.
298
00:13:14,361 --> 00:13:17,195
The one I saw was upstairs,
had white eyes,
299
00:13:17,197 --> 00:13:19,631
and when I noticed it,
300
00:13:19,633 --> 00:13:22,033
it was kind of sinking
into the floor.
301
00:13:22,035 --> 00:13:24,002
Now, how often are you
seeing these things?
302
00:13:24,004 --> 00:13:26,171
Probably at least
twice a week.
303
00:13:26,173 --> 00:13:28,306
All right. So you're seeing
shadow figures. What else?
304
00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:29,641
Everywhere we go
in the house,
305
00:13:29,643 --> 00:13:31,943
it's a constant feeling
of being watched.
306
00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:35,113
It's much heavier upstairs.
307
00:13:35,115 --> 00:13:37,816
Is it a peeping tom thing
or somebody stalking you?
308
00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:40,618
It's more, like, just a presence
right at your back
309
00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:43,521
just looming over you,
watching you.
310
00:13:43,523 --> 00:13:44,656
Anything else?
311
00:13:44,658 --> 00:13:47,392
I was actually attacked
in the kitchen.
312
00:13:47,394 --> 00:13:49,994
How?
I was standing next to the stove.
313
00:13:49,996 --> 00:13:53,765
There was a Tupperware
container on top of the fridge,
314
00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:55,500
and it flew
across the counter
315
00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,902
and hit me in the side
of the head with force.
316
00:13:57,904 --> 00:14:00,605
- Were you alone?
- No. Nathan was with me.
317
00:14:00,607 --> 00:14:02,340
Are you sure he didn't
do it by accident?
318
00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:04,642
Yeah, he was actually
on the opposite side of me.
319
00:14:04,644 --> 00:14:06,444
Could have been a glass jar,
God forbid.
320
00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:10,415
Right.
It had very malicious intent.
321
00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:12,584
With all the activity
you guys are experiencing,
322
00:14:12,586 --> 00:14:15,119
it's got to be taking
a toll on you and Melissa.
323
00:14:15,121 --> 00:14:17,222
Over the last few years,
seeing, like,
324
00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:19,924
a total breakdown
in her mentally.
325
00:14:19,926 --> 00:14:22,260
Sometimes she'll wake me up
in the middle of the night,
326
00:14:22,262 --> 00:14:24,028
and she'll just be sobbing.
327
00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:27,031
It just breaks my heart
to see her that way.
328
00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:30,168
And it's just totally taking
a toll on her mental state,
329
00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:31,903
and it's really hard
to see her go through that.
330
00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:33,504
So, Corey, when I was
talking to your wife,
331
00:14:33,506 --> 00:14:36,040
she mentioned
that the house, she feels,
332
00:14:36,042 --> 00:14:38,243
is changing people's
personalities.
333
00:14:38,245 --> 00:14:40,144
I definitely would agree
with her on that.
334
00:14:40,146 --> 00:14:42,914
We go through bouts of anger,
bouts of depression,
335
00:14:42,916 --> 00:14:44,315
and we'll kind of
start bickering
336
00:14:44,317 --> 00:14:47,919
amongst each other
as a family.
337
00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:49,754
When the anger comes on,
does it come on real fast,
338
00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:52,757
- or does it build?
- You just go from zero to pissed
339
00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:56,261
in 0.2 seconds
out of nowhere.
340
00:14:56,263 --> 00:14:57,695
Okay.
341
00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,600
This skeleton guy,
342
00:15:02,602 --> 00:15:05,770
I think that he can
jump someone here,
343
00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:08,973
and I think it's a male.
344
00:15:08,975 --> 00:15:11,776
So when he is that way,
he is possessed.
345
00:15:11,778 --> 00:15:14,379
There's, like, a change,
literally a physical --
346
00:15:14,381 --> 00:15:16,948
There's some kind
of physical change
347
00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:21,619
when he's inside of this person.
348
00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:23,655
The skeleton guy goes in,
349
00:15:23,657 --> 00:15:25,857
like, literally walk
into the guy's body...
350
00:15:25,859 --> 00:15:27,358
- ...and take that energy
351
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,127
and utilize that anger.
352
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,202
He wants to get the dude
possessed to kill other people.
353
00:15:50,517 --> 00:15:52,617
Melissa told me
her uncle died in the house
354
00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:54,719
when he was just 4 years old.
355
00:15:54,721 --> 00:15:57,155
She also told me her grandfather
never talked about it.
356
00:15:57,157 --> 00:15:59,157
So I was a little surprised
this morning when he asked me
357
00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,526
to come over
to discuss what happened.
358
00:16:07,267 --> 00:16:09,567
Gene, I appreciate you
taking the time to talk with me.
359
00:16:09,569 --> 00:16:11,302
I know this is
a hard subject.
360
00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,571
But what can you tell me
about your little boy, Jerry?
361
00:16:13,573 --> 00:16:15,807
He loved playing with the kids
in the neighborhood,
362
00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:19,877
and he loved going to baseball
games with his brothers,
363
00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,714
just a normal 4-year-old boy.
364
00:16:25,585 --> 00:16:27,819
My God.
He was such a cute kid.
365
00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:29,454
Yeah, he was a cute kid.
366
00:16:29,456 --> 00:16:32,557
So, Gene, that day,
what exactly happened?
367
00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:36,828
On a hot day
back in August of '67,
368
00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:38,796
went off to work.
369
00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:41,532
Jerry and a neighborhood
friend of his
370
00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:43,301
were looking
for a place to play.
371
00:16:43,303 --> 00:16:46,537
And I had my old refrigerator
in the garage.
372
00:16:46,539 --> 00:16:50,108
And when the boys got in it,
I assume to cool off
373
00:16:50,110 --> 00:16:51,976
or hide,
playing hide and seek,
374
00:16:51,978 --> 00:16:57,015
the door automatically caught
when they closed the door.
375
00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,684
It was an accident.
376
00:16:59,686 --> 00:17:01,152
Okay.
So they ran out of oxygen.
377
00:17:01,154 --> 00:17:03,421
Yeah.
They suffocated.
378
00:17:03,423 --> 00:17:04,989
Okay.
379
00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:06,958
How'd you and your wife
handle this?
380
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,829
As you can imagine,
she was pretty well torn up.
381
00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:14,298
- Gene, how old are you now?
- I'm 85.
382
00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:15,867
And this still sticks
with you today?
383
00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,702
Yeah. Yeah.
384
00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:21,139
That and my wife's
death, also.
385
00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:23,441
So, Gene, how do you feel
as far as,
386
00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:24,876
you know, your wife
and your son?
387
00:17:24,878 --> 00:17:27,445
- You think they're here?
- I don't know about the son,
388
00:17:27,447 --> 00:17:30,048
but my wife,
I feel she's --
389
00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:32,016
She's been
looking after me,
390
00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:33,851
keeping me on
the straight and narrow.
391
00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:36,521
I think she said
she was going to haunt me.
392
00:17:37,857 --> 00:17:40,558
- But in a good way.
- In a good way, yeah.
393
00:17:44,164 --> 00:17:45,897
I see a woman.
394
00:17:45,899 --> 00:17:48,166
She's in her late 40s,
early 50s.
395
00:17:48,168 --> 00:17:50,668
I see she has long brown hair.
396
00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:52,103
It's kind of clipped up.
397
00:17:52,105 --> 00:17:53,538
She's wearing big glasses.
398
00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:56,007
I think she's white,
and she is crying.
399
00:17:58,178 --> 00:17:59,811
She was here at some point
400
00:17:59,813 --> 00:18:02,780
and very stressed out
and hysterical.
401
00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:04,248
I don't know what happened.
402
00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:06,684
She's depressed,
thoughts of suicide
403
00:18:06,686 --> 00:18:09,587
and stress.
404
00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:11,289
She's screaming,
crying, pleading,
405
00:18:11,291 --> 00:18:13,891
"No, no, no, not my baby."
406
00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,997
So far, I've got a family being
tormented by paranormal activity
407
00:18:19,999 --> 00:18:24,068
on a property where two
young children suffocated.
408
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:27,338
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
409
00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:29,974
Searching through old records,
I come across a serial killer
410
00:18:29,976 --> 00:18:32,510
named Clyde Carl Wilkerson.
411
00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:37,281
Turns out, he terrorized
the El Cajon area for years.
412
00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:39,383
So I reached out to a local
true crime writer
413
00:18:39,385 --> 00:18:41,486
who's on her way
over to meet me.
414
00:18:41,488 --> 00:18:43,521
She says to this day,
no one knows exactly
415
00:18:43,523 --> 00:18:45,523
how many people this guy killed.
416
00:18:50,363 --> 00:18:52,630
Cathy, thanks for meeting
with me. I appreciate that.
417
00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:53,998
So, let's start
from the beginning.
418
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,267
What do we know
about this Wilkerson guy?
419
00:18:56,269 --> 00:18:59,837
Clyde Carl Wilkerson was born
in Northern California.
420
00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:02,607
And from day one,
he was trouble.
421
00:19:02,609 --> 00:19:06,344
He was almost a blueprint
for becoming a serial killer.
422
00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:09,881
At age 6, he committed arson,
was arrested for it.
423
00:19:09,883 --> 00:19:14,352
And at age 8, he was given
psychiatric treatment.
424
00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:16,087
I mean, that's the youngest
I've ever heard.
425
00:19:16,089 --> 00:19:18,156
He was in and out
of mental institutions
426
00:19:18,158 --> 00:19:19,724
most of his childhood.
427
00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:24,362
I'm seeing the crazy guy again.
428
00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:28,599
I'm in his body, and I'm looking
down a hospital corridor.
429
00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,768
No, it's not a hospital.
430
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:32,403
It's like a psych ward.
431
00:19:32,405 --> 00:19:34,972
I'm seeing only a few
other patients,
432
00:19:34,974 --> 00:19:37,808
and I would say
this is the 1940s or '50s.
433
00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:42,280
He's strapped on a...
weird table.
434
00:19:42,282 --> 00:19:44,982
The table looks like
those tables
435
00:19:44,984 --> 00:19:49,487
that they do
lethal injections on.
436
00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:52,423
I know that he was at least
437
00:19:52,425 --> 00:19:55,960
in some kind of institution
on two occasions
438
00:19:55,962 --> 00:19:59,197
for his mental state.
439
00:20:01,634 --> 00:20:03,901
All right. So, Cathy, what's
the body count with this guy?
440
00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:05,670
Well, he was convicted
of three,
441
00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:08,105
but he was suspected
of many more.
442
00:20:08,107 --> 00:20:10,775
Okay. So we know he did three.
What about the first one?
443
00:20:10,777 --> 00:20:12,810
On June 6, 1965,
444
00:20:12,812 --> 00:20:15,246
just 3 miles
from your client's home,
445
00:20:15,248 --> 00:20:17,715
Cheryl Burnett got home
at 3:00 a.m. in the morning
446
00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:20,718
from bowling with friends.
She was 19 years old.
447
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,720
Her toddler was sleeping
in the bedroom.
448
00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,223
And Wilkerson broke in
through a window
449
00:20:25,225 --> 00:20:27,558
and ended up raping her
450
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,026
and then strangling her
451
00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:31,395
- with a drapery cord.
- All right.
452
00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:33,264
Does he get arrested
then for that murder?
453
00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:34,665
Not then for that murder,
454
00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:37,201
but he was always
in trouble with the law.
455
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,273
Okay.
What about the second one?
456
00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:44,609
This one was just a mile
from your client's home.
457
00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:46,510
About two
or three weeks later,
458
00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:48,446
a couple were getting
ready for bed.
459
00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:50,414
Wilkerson goes into
the apartment building
460
00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:53,484
and starts beating on the couple
with a crescent wrench.
461
00:20:53,486 --> 00:20:57,054
He beat them so badly
that he killed the husband.
462
00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:01,025
Does he kill the wife,
as well?
463
00:21:01,027 --> 00:21:04,729
He raped the wife and left her
for dead, but she survived.
464
00:21:04,731 --> 00:21:06,097
Okay.
Was she able to identify him?
465
00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,199
She was unable to.
466
00:21:08,201 --> 00:21:10,167
Okay. So now we got two murders
a couple weeks apart.
467
00:21:10,169 --> 00:21:11,302
When's the third one happen?
468
00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:14,505
Third one doesn't happen
until 1975.
469
00:21:14,507 --> 00:21:16,574
Okay.
So it's 1975. What happened?
470
00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:19,477
Wilkerson ends up going
to Tulsa, Oklahoma,
471
00:21:19,479 --> 00:21:21,312
breaks into an apartment,
472
00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:24,548
and rapes and murders
473
00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:27,318
28-year-old college student
Geraldine Martin.
474
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,020
All right. So we got three
homicides we know he did.
475
00:21:29,022 --> 00:21:30,054
How did they catch him?
476
00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:32,423
Three letters -- DNA.
477
00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:36,093
The El Cajon Police Department,
they grabbed him in 2002.
478
00:21:36,095 --> 00:21:37,995
I can only imagine there's got
to be a lot more.
479
00:21:37,997 --> 00:21:40,965
I think he left a lot
of bodies in his wake.
480
00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:42,900
Okay.
So is this guy still alive?
481
00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:45,369
No. He died in 2016
482
00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:47,638
at age 77 of an illness.
483
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,474
He died in prison.
484
00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:51,742
So, there's this woman,
485
00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:53,511
and it's a beautiful day out,
486
00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,946
and it's 1978.
487
00:21:55,948 --> 00:21:58,683
The crazy guy,
he's watching her.
488
00:21:58,685 --> 00:22:01,052
And they're at the beach.
489
00:22:01,054 --> 00:22:04,488
And so I was like,
"Did he do something to her?"
490
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:06,490
He might have killed her.
491
00:22:06,492 --> 00:22:08,492
He says he's very lost
and confused.
492
00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:10,528
He's very sick.
493
00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:11,962
Do you know how he died?
494
00:22:11,964 --> 00:22:15,800
I don't know.
Dementia, maybe a stroke.
495
00:22:15,802 --> 00:22:19,603
He said they
scrambled his brain.
496
00:22:19,605 --> 00:22:23,107
And he says, "I ruined
everything, everything."
497
00:22:23,109 --> 00:22:26,010
And then I know he's dead, too.
498
00:22:32,118 --> 00:22:34,118
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499
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500
00:22:35,621 --> 00:22:37,488
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502
00:22:40,626 --> 00:22:42,893
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503
00:22:42,895 --> 00:22:43,928
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504
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You know, another thing
caught my eye in research.
505
00:22:56,376 --> 00:22:58,509
The day after the attacks
on Pearl Harbor,
506
00:22:58,511 --> 00:23:01,245
the military took over
a bunch of land in the area,
507
00:23:01,247 --> 00:23:03,247
including Melissa
and Corey's property.
508
00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:05,182
I'm heading over to meet
with a military expert,
509
00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:07,585
who says there was
a deadly accident on the site
510
00:23:07,587 --> 00:23:09,387
I definitely want to know about.
511
00:23:14,861 --> 00:23:17,161
Well, Sergeant Major,
thanks for meeting with me.
512
00:23:17,163 --> 00:23:19,797
You mentioned on the phone
that the military
513
00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:21,699
basically just took over
my client's property
514
00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:23,267
right after
the Pearl Harbor attack.
515
00:23:23,269 --> 00:23:24,335
Now, was that common?
516
00:23:24,337 --> 00:23:26,036
It was very common
on the West Coast.
517
00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:27,371
The Army came in.
518
00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:29,373
The federal government
seized the property.
519
00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:31,208
All right. So I know my client's
house wasn't built yet,
520
00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:32,610
but who owned
the property back then?
521
00:23:32,612 --> 00:23:35,613
This was a farm owned by
a gentleman named Ed Fletcher.
522
00:23:35,615 --> 00:23:37,181
So what'd they wind up
doing with the property?
523
00:23:37,183 --> 00:23:40,117
The property became an army camp
known as Camp La Mesa,
524
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,553
and by the way,
I have some pictures here
525
00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:45,656
of what the camp looked like
at the early part of the war
526
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:47,892
and then later when
they actually built buildings.
527
00:23:47,894 --> 00:23:49,360
Had a pretty big setup,
didn't they?
528
00:23:49,362 --> 00:23:51,862
It was an infantry
regiment of 1,400 men.
529
00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:53,964
So, you mentioned on the phone,
there was a pretty bad accident
530
00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:55,166
I'm going to want
to know about.
531
00:23:55,168 --> 00:23:57,735
Yeah, on April 24, 1942,
532
00:23:57,737 --> 00:24:00,204
there was mortar training.
533
00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:01,806
That's what the weapon
looks like.
534
00:24:01,808 --> 00:24:03,240
Okay.
I'm familiar with this.
535
00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:06,444
And one of the rounds
exploded in the tube.
536
00:24:06,446 --> 00:24:09,146
Ooh. Now, how bad
was this explosion?
537
00:24:09,148 --> 00:24:12,950
It killed five men instantly.
One died in hospital.
538
00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:14,752
-16 were wounded.
- Okay.
539
00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:17,621
So were there any other deaths
that I should know about?
540
00:24:17,623 --> 00:24:20,891
Not that I'm aware of,
but here at Gillespie Field,
541
00:24:20,893 --> 00:24:23,327
which bordered
Ed Fletcher's property,
542
00:24:23,329 --> 00:24:27,331
there's been 24 people killed
in 13 separate accidents.
543
00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:28,699
Okay.
So that's a lot deaths.
544
00:24:28,701 --> 00:24:31,101
I don't want to go through all
of them, but did any stand out?
545
00:24:31,103 --> 00:24:32,736
Yeah, two of them
really stood out.
546
00:24:32,738 --> 00:24:35,105
In January of 1981,
547
00:24:35,107 --> 00:24:38,209
a 15-year-old
by the name of Grant Thompson
548
00:24:38,211 --> 00:24:40,544
talked his mother,
his stepfather,
549
00:24:40,546 --> 00:24:45,115
and two of their friends
into flying to Las Vegas.
550
00:24:45,117 --> 00:24:47,651
Never mind that he had
never flown a plane before.
551
00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:50,120
So these four adults got
on a plane with a 15-year-old,
552
00:24:50,122 --> 00:24:52,723
- and this kid never flew.
- That's correct.
553
00:24:52,725 --> 00:24:54,158
Okay.
What the hell happened?
554
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,894
The plane never got
off the ground. It crashed.
555
00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:59,563
All were killed aboard.
556
00:24:59,565 --> 00:25:00,965
Okay. That was
a pretty bad accident.
557
00:25:00,967 --> 00:25:02,099
What about the second one?
558
00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:05,603
The second one was
a Navy F-14 Tomcat
559
00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:08,639
flying out of Naval Air
Station Miramar in San Diego.
560
00:25:08,641 --> 00:25:10,908
It encountered
mechanical problems,
561
00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:13,444
and the air crew
had to eject.
562
00:25:13,446 --> 00:25:16,947
Upon ejection, one of
the air crew broke his neck.
563
00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:19,283
All right. So do we know
how he broke his neck?
564
00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:20,918
The plane
was out of control.
565
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,621
It was upside down
when they ejected,
566
00:25:23,623 --> 00:25:25,890
and he broke his neck
somewhere in that process.
567
00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:28,592
- Okay.
- Now, the plane did travel on
568
00:25:28,594 --> 00:25:31,095
and crashed here
on the airfield.
569
00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:33,297
It injured three people.
570
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:36,600
It destroyed $6 to $9 million
worth of airport property.
571
00:25:36,602 --> 00:25:39,837
Have you ever seen this much
death on one airfield before?
572
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:41,205
Not that I'm aware of.
573
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:44,008
- It's, like, bad luck over here.
- It's quite bizarre.
574
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:51,515
I'm seeing
the skeleton dude in here.
575
00:25:51,517 --> 00:25:53,117
Do you know how he died?
576
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,187
I see blood, and I feel
like he had a bad death.
577
00:25:57,189 --> 00:25:59,356
He's, like,
dripping and melting.
578
00:26:02,528 --> 00:26:05,729
I know his neck got broken.
579
00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:07,898
I mean, he looks a little burnt.
580
00:26:15,675 --> 00:26:19,109
I saw several dead people
during my walk,
581
00:26:19,111 --> 00:26:21,645
but the skeleton man
tormenting a child
582
00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,048
had me the most concerned.
583
00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,716
There's this dead guy
584
00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:29,720
who doesn't really
have any clothes on.
585
00:26:29,722 --> 00:26:32,423
There were definitely
a lot of areas
586
00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:36,093
on his body and face
that were burned.
587
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:41,599
And there was a child in a bed,
588
00:26:41,601 --> 00:26:45,769
and he has his hands
on the kid's face,
589
00:26:45,771 --> 00:26:49,506
over the mouth
and pinching the nose.
590
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:56,046
Amy, is this what you saw?
591
00:26:56,048 --> 00:26:57,081
Yes.
592
00:27:17,236 --> 00:27:20,070
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
593
00:27:20,072 --> 00:27:22,172
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
594
00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:24,575
and our clients
for the first time.
595
00:27:24,577 --> 00:27:27,277
So, Amy, this is Melissa
and her husband, Corey.
596
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:28,712
Now, Melissa grew up
in this house
597
00:27:28,714 --> 00:27:32,116
and had a miserable time here.
598
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,284
But she has a huge heart.
599
00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:36,020
She moved her entire family
back here
600
00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:40,991
to take care of her 85-year-old
grandfather, Gene.
601
00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:43,394
This is her 16-year-old son,
Nathan,
602
00:27:43,396 --> 00:27:46,797
and this is Charlie, who's 6.
603
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,465
Now, he's the reason we're here.
604
00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:49,767
Kid's having a rough time,
605
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:51,135
and Melissa is scared
606
00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:54,004
his childhood's going to be
ruined just like hers was.
607
00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:56,340
So now that Amy knows
a little bit about you guys,
608
00:27:56,342 --> 00:27:58,609
I'll ask her describe
her walk for us.
609
00:28:00,846 --> 00:28:05,049
The first thing that I got
was a deceased female.
610
00:28:05,051 --> 00:28:06,817
She's white, and I got
611
00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,253
that she was in her late 40s,
early 50s.
612
00:28:09,255 --> 00:28:12,056
I also got
that she was living here
613
00:28:12,058 --> 00:28:15,192
around 1980s or early 1990s.
614
00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:17,161
She spent most of her time
in the kitchen
615
00:28:17,163 --> 00:28:20,431
and dining area,
which is where she is still.
616
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,434
I saw her in a very bad state.
617
00:28:23,436 --> 00:28:25,903
She was hysterically crying.
618
00:28:25,905 --> 00:28:28,405
She was extremely depressed.
619
00:28:28,407 --> 00:28:29,606
She's very stressed out.
620
00:28:29,608 --> 00:28:33,343
She was screaming,
"No, no, no, not my baby."
621
00:28:33,345 --> 00:28:35,813
Now, Melissa lost her
grandmother about 10 years ago?
622
00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:38,982
Yeah. Well, you just
described her, basically.
623
00:28:38,984 --> 00:28:41,251
You told me you saw your
grandmother's apparition
624
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:42,486
- in the kitchen.
- Yeah.
625
00:28:42,488 --> 00:28:44,688
And I could tell you
exactly what she was wearing.
626
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:46,256
And we just looked
at each other.
627
00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:47,791
It scared me.
628
00:28:47,793 --> 00:28:50,794
So, why are you
afraid of her?
629
00:28:50,796 --> 00:28:52,262
She was a strict woman.
630
00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:54,198
She tried to teach me
how to be a lady.
631
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,101
And, you know,
she had a lot of kids.
632
00:28:57,103 --> 00:29:00,137
And she lost her
youngest child here.
633
00:29:00,139 --> 00:29:02,906
Okay.
You should know about Melissa's uncle, Jerry.
634
00:29:02,908 --> 00:29:05,142
He died in the garage
when he was 4 years old.
635
00:29:05,144 --> 00:29:08,145
On August 30, 1967, Jerry
was playing with another kid
636
00:29:08,147 --> 00:29:09,847
in the neighborhood
who was 3 years old,
637
00:29:09,849 --> 00:29:12,816
and they walked into a fridge
that was in the garage.
638
00:29:12,818 --> 00:29:15,586
The door locked on them,
and they suffocated.
639
00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:18,655
I got a photo of Jerry.
He was a really cute kid, too.
640
00:29:21,861 --> 00:29:26,396
Now, I actually have a picture
of Melissa's grandmother.
641
00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:29,700
Is it possible
this is who you saw?
642
00:29:29,702 --> 00:29:33,170
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
643
00:29:33,172 --> 00:29:34,972
Do you think she ever
got over Jerry passing?
644
00:29:34,974 --> 00:29:36,373
No.
645
00:29:36,375 --> 00:29:39,843
It's kind of hard to think that,
you know, she hasn't moved past.
646
00:29:39,845 --> 00:29:44,782
That's what's hard for me
right now to accept.
647
00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:50,721
Okay.
So what else?
648
00:29:50,723 --> 00:29:55,592
So there's two other dead people
who are very present,
649
00:29:55,594 --> 00:29:58,128
and I'm concerned about them.
650
00:29:58,130 --> 00:30:02,499
The first individual has mental
disorders, mental illness.
651
00:30:02,501 --> 00:30:04,568
He's definitely nuts.
652
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:07,204
I do think that he would
affect the living.
653
00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:09,940
I thought maybe some of you
would hear him,
654
00:30:09,942 --> 00:30:12,242
because he does get
a little worked up,
655
00:30:12,244 --> 00:30:16,113
and so he'll start banging
things, throwing things.
656
00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:18,148
I was attacked
in the kitchen.
657
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:20,751
There was a Tupperware
on top of the fridge,
658
00:30:20,753 --> 00:30:22,586
and it flew
across the counter
659
00:30:22,588 --> 00:30:25,823
and hit me with force
in the side of the head.
660
00:30:25,825 --> 00:30:28,025
- Wow.
- When I spoke to Charlie,
661
00:30:28,027 --> 00:30:31,795
he told me that he hears
a lot of things banging,
662
00:30:31,797 --> 00:30:33,063
scratching noises.
663
00:30:33,065 --> 00:30:35,732
- He doesn't sleep downstairs.
664
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:37,668
- Okay.
- He hasn't for over a year.
665
00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:39,570
He sleeps with us.
666
00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:41,104
Okay.
667
00:30:41,106 --> 00:30:43,106
The other thing that unnerved me
668
00:30:43,108 --> 00:30:46,109
was that he does watch,
669
00:30:46,111 --> 00:30:49,313
and he stares,
and he'll get right in your face
670
00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:52,416
and do this.
671
00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:56,153
Being subjected to him
consistently
672
00:30:56,155 --> 00:30:59,389
can make you feel
like you're going insane.
673
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:02,993
Actually, that's part of the
reason why I called you guys.
674
00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,995
Sometimes I can't go to sleep
675
00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:08,098
because I feel like somebody's
pacing on my side of the bed,
676
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:09,833
back and forth,
back and forth,
677
00:31:09,835 --> 00:31:14,304
and that he leans over
and is right in my face.
678
00:31:14,306 --> 00:31:18,008
I've spent whole nights
just crying
679
00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:22,312
because it feels
so intrusive.
680
00:31:22,314 --> 00:31:24,481
Any idea who this guy might
have been when he was alive?
681
00:31:24,483 --> 00:31:29,052
What I was able to get from him
was that he had been
682
00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:31,588
in and out
of mental institutions,
683
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:35,359
and I was getting the 1940s,
1950s with him,
684
00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:39,529
and he was showing me
685
00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:42,165
that he's on a beach.
He's looking out.
686
00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:45,736
There's a young,
attractive woman.
687
00:31:45,738 --> 00:31:47,671
It was 1978.
688
00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:50,841
I believe he killed her.
689
00:31:50,843 --> 00:31:53,277
Wow. It's interesting, 'cause
the stuff you're talking about
690
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,180
reminds me of a serial killer
that terrorized the city.
691
00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:59,650
Now, the guy's name
is Clyde Carl Wilkerson.
692
00:31:59,652 --> 00:32:01,618
This kid was bad news
from the start.
693
00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:04,521
Wilkerson was arrested
for arson at the age of 6.
694
00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:06,523
Then he was in and out
of mental hospitals
695
00:32:06,525 --> 00:32:07,958
starting at the age of 8.
696
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,294
Holy...
697
00:32:10,296 --> 00:32:11,995
Now, you mentioned
mental institutions
698
00:32:11,997 --> 00:32:13,363
in the '40s and '50s.
699
00:32:13,365 --> 00:32:15,565
Now, Wilkerson was born in '38,
700
00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:17,734
so the time frame matches.
701
00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:20,504
Unfortunately, in the '60s,
he started killing.
702
00:32:20,506 --> 00:32:23,874
In 1965, he beat, strangled,
and raped a 19-year-old girl
703
00:32:23,876 --> 00:32:25,309
a couple of miles from here
704
00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:28,412
while her 2-year-old son
slept in the other room.
705
00:32:28,414 --> 00:32:30,047
A few weeks later,
this sick bastard
706
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:32,182
breaks into
an older couple's house
707
00:32:32,184 --> 00:32:34,284
less than a mile from here.
708
00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:36,720
He beats the man to death.
709
00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:40,123
Then he raped and badly beat
his wife, leaving her for dead.
710
00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:42,793
She survived. Barely, though.
711
00:32:42,795 --> 00:32:45,562
She was never right again
and couldn't identify him.
712
00:32:45,564 --> 00:32:48,365
Now, in 1975, he struck again.
713
00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:51,268
Now, this time, his victim
was a 28-year-old student
714
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:53,103
named Geraldine Martin.
715
00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:55,472
He wound up raping
and murdering her, too.
716
00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:59,242
This guy may have killed more,
but that's all they got him on.
717
00:32:59,244 --> 00:33:01,912
Now, he wasn't
arrested until 2002.
718
00:33:01,914 --> 00:33:04,314
Holy...
719
00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:08,151
I got a great mug shot
array of him
720
00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:11,488
from when he was younger
to when he was older.
721
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:15,525
Now, what do you think?
Is this who you might have seen?
722
00:33:15,527 --> 00:33:16,893
Yes.
723
00:33:16,895 --> 00:33:19,496
This just blows
my -- my mind.
724
00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:20,664
And when did he die?
725
00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:23,667
Last year.
726
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:27,571
Everything started happening
about a year ago here,
727
00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:30,173
like, real bad.
728
00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:31,608
That makes me
totally disgusted.
729
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:34,211
I don't want this guy
around my kid.
730
00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:37,481
I agree.
731
00:33:37,483 --> 00:33:42,619
The next guy that I encountered,
I felt, was the bigger threat.
732
00:33:42,621 --> 00:33:46,256
The way he showed himself
was extremely disturbing.
733
00:33:46,258 --> 00:33:49,059
He looked like a skeleton,
and it looked like
734
00:33:49,061 --> 00:33:52,562
he had burns all over his body.
735
00:33:52,564 --> 00:33:55,932
And this skeleton guy
736
00:33:55,934 --> 00:33:58,268
was not a good person in life.
737
00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:01,238
He said that he did kill people.
738
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,839
Because of how he looked,
739
00:34:02,841 --> 00:34:05,575
I believe he had
a really gruesome death,
740
00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:07,944
and I think the thing
that killed him
741
00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:12,182
- was actually a broken neck.
- I have history that I really
742
00:34:12,184 --> 00:34:14,584
don't think has anything to do
with who she's talking about,
743
00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:16,787
but I think it's something
you guys should know about.
744
00:34:16,789 --> 00:34:18,755
Now, the day after
the attacks on Pearl Harbor,
745
00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:22,059
the military came in
and enforced eminent domain
746
00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:23,427
and took over all the property,
747
00:34:23,429 --> 00:34:26,329
and then they created
two military bases here.
748
00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:27,864
One camp was La Mesa.
749
00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:30,734
The other one was right next
to your old property line,
750
00:34:30,736 --> 00:34:32,736
and that's called
Gillespie Field now.
751
00:34:32,738 --> 00:34:34,004
According to the expert
I talked to,
752
00:34:34,006 --> 00:34:37,808
there have been
13 separate accidents there
753
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:40,610
that killed 24 people.
754
00:34:40,612 --> 00:34:42,245
One stood to me was this one.
755
00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:46,416
It was an F-14 in 1988
that malfunctioned
756
00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:48,418
and began spinning
out of control.
757
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:51,254
When the two pilots
ejected from the airplane,
758
00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,624
one of them broke
his neck upon impact.
759
00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:55,792
Any chance one of these deaths
760
00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:58,095
could have been
the skeleton guy you saw?
761
00:34:58,097 --> 00:35:01,164
No. Mnh-mnh.
762
00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:03,733
Okay. So now we have an idea
who it's not.
763
00:35:03,735 --> 00:35:06,503
So why is this skeleton guy
such a big threat?
764
00:35:06,505 --> 00:35:08,271
When I first got here,
he told me
765
00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:11,208
that he causes pain and death.
766
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:14,411
He did get physical with me
a couple of times,
767
00:35:14,413 --> 00:35:17,280
and I do believe
that he's very capable
768
00:35:17,282 --> 00:35:20,450
of becoming physical
with living people.
769
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:24,921
One of the things that I saw
and felt this skeleton guy does
770
00:35:24,923 --> 00:35:28,024
is, like, slapping and pushing
771
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,961
and hitting people.
772
00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,763
The other thing I saw
was he was wrapping his hands
773
00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:35,999
around the bottom
of the feet and the ankles
774
00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:39,803
and pulling them out of bed.
775
00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:41,104
Tell Amy what happened.
776
00:35:41,106 --> 00:35:44,474
I was laying there,
and I got a grab on my ankle,
777
00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,343
a real tight grab.
778
00:35:46,345 --> 00:35:48,645
- Really?
- And it scared me to death.
779
00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:50,680
Well, you even wake up
with scratches and bruises.
780
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:52,048
- Yeah.
- Okay.
781
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:54,951
Lookit. Here's one of the
scratches she took pictures of.
782
00:35:54,953 --> 00:35:55,986
Wow.
783
00:35:55,988 --> 00:35:57,420
That's, like, nothing.
784
00:35:57,422 --> 00:36:01,024
And matter of fact,
Charlie wakes up
785
00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:04,294
with bruises on him.
786
00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:06,229
Yeah, I know.
787
00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:13,336
Okay. So, the other thing
that I saw him doing
788
00:36:13,338 --> 00:36:16,473
was possessing
a living male here.
789
00:36:18,777 --> 00:36:21,411
He can enter the body
and take over
790
00:36:21,413 --> 00:36:23,980
and completely change
his personality,
791
00:36:23,982 --> 00:36:27,484
and that would be becoming
angry and violent.
792
00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:31,922
I go from zero to angry
in 0.5 seconds.
793
00:36:31,924 --> 00:36:35,325
Do you notice, when he does
that, any physical changes?
794
00:36:35,327 --> 00:36:37,194
Yes. If we're fighting,
795
00:36:37,196 --> 00:36:40,864
he has this specific face
where he looks at me,
796
00:36:40,866 --> 00:36:45,468
almost like a disgust,
the way he squints his eyes.
797
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:48,738
The other thing
that I saw him doing was,
798
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:50,240
we went into the little room,
799
00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:51,841
- the little blue room.
- Yep, yep.
800
00:36:51,843 --> 00:36:53,777
And that blue room's
Charlie's room, right?
801
00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,546
It's the one
he won't sleep in.
802
00:36:56,548 --> 00:37:00,050
And what I saw
was very disturbing.
803
00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:03,954
I did have a sketch done of what
I saw happening in there.
804
00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:14,097
Jesus.
805
00:37:16,835 --> 00:37:20,503
I don't even want
to show it to them.
806
00:37:20,505 --> 00:37:21,972
My gosh.
807
00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,347
I want to say that it's
a surprising picture,
808
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:34,050
but the way he thrashes
around at night.
809
00:37:34,052 --> 00:37:37,354
He's always saying,
"No. Stop. Get away."
810
00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:38,955
So what's he doing
in this picture?
811
00:37:38,957 --> 00:37:40,390
He was trying to smother him.
812
00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:43,960
He was covering his mouth,
pinching his nose.
813
00:37:43,962 --> 00:37:49,532
Obviously, he's trying
to kill your child.
814
00:37:49,534 --> 00:37:53,436
I did get that sometimes
the kid would wake up
815
00:37:53,438 --> 00:37:55,939
and would actually
see him in his room,
816
00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:58,341
and he was crying,
and it scares him.
817
00:38:00,479 --> 00:38:03,680
That's just...disgusting.
That pisses me off to no end.
818
00:38:03,682 --> 00:38:06,950
I can't -- I mean --
819
00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:10,553
Yeah.
I don't even have any words.
820
00:38:10,555 --> 00:38:12,856
I'm extremely,
extremely worried,
821
00:38:12,858 --> 00:38:16,359
because this guy wants death,
822
00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:20,563
and he wants to be able
to jump the living male here
823
00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:22,699
and have basically, you know,
824
00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:27,003
a murder-suicide
kind of situation.
825
00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:28,438
He showed me
where he enters you.
826
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,274
He said it's on your
right side right here.
827
00:38:31,276 --> 00:38:35,845
I get rib pain on that side
all the time.
828
00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:39,182
I don't even know
what to say to you guys.
829
00:38:39,184 --> 00:38:40,717
This is bad.
830
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,554
This is -- It is. Bad.
831
00:38:44,556 --> 00:38:47,290
Would I be able to just,
like, have just maybe
832
00:38:47,292 --> 00:38:48,992
- a minute or two?
- Yeah.
833
00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:09,479
Now, Melissa, you called us in
834
00:39:09,481 --> 00:39:12,682
because you wanted us
to save your son.
835
00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:16,720
But as it turns out,
your entire family is in danger.
836
00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:18,321
And I know taking care
of your grandfather
837
00:39:18,323 --> 00:39:21,324
means everything to you,
but I don't know how
838
00:39:21,326 --> 00:39:23,593
you're going to be able
to do that here safely.
839
00:39:23,595 --> 00:39:25,995
For that answer, I'm going
to turn it over to Amy.
840
00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:33,069
So, I'm very worried.
841
00:39:33,071 --> 00:39:37,874
My suggestion is that you leave
as soon as possible.
842
00:39:40,412 --> 00:39:43,480
You guys need to put
a lot of distance
843
00:39:43,482 --> 00:39:46,616
between here and where you go.
844
00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:51,287
But before entering
a new place of residence,
845
00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:54,357
you need to have a male
846
00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:57,994
who is a psychic
and a reiki master,
847
00:39:57,996 --> 00:40:01,364
because this skeleton guy,
848
00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:05,902
he showed me that he has entered
you on several occasions.
849
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:09,739
There could be cords there.
850
00:40:09,741 --> 00:40:11,808
And the psychic reiki master
851
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:15,945
will be doing a cord removal
and cutting.
852
00:40:15,947 --> 00:40:18,314
This can be painful,
853
00:40:18,316 --> 00:40:21,618
but you'll feel so much better
after it's done.
854
00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:23,420
Now, what about Charlie?
855
00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:27,857
Other than obviously
removing him from this location,
856
00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:32,262
he is clear right now.
857
00:40:32,264 --> 00:40:35,098
Now, what about Melissa? Does
she have to do anything, or --
858
00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:40,136
No. Mnh-mnh.
859
00:40:40,138 --> 00:40:42,172
What are the chances
Gene's going to come with you,
860
00:40:42,174 --> 00:40:44,007
your grandfather?
861
00:40:44,009 --> 00:40:45,275
I don't think
they're very high.
862
00:40:45,277 --> 00:40:49,045
I'll try to get him
to come with us, but...
863
00:40:49,047 --> 00:40:52,315
I don't know that
he's going to want to go.
864
00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,451
You said something to me
the other day
865
00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:57,454
that I thought about
for a long time.
866
00:40:57,456 --> 00:40:59,989
He's 85, and he has
lived his life,
867
00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:02,425
and my son hasn't, so...
868
00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:05,128
So, the main thing is,
you called us in for Charlie.
869
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,330
So my question to you is,
if they move
870
00:41:07,332 --> 00:41:09,399
and they do everything
you tell them to do,
871
00:41:09,401 --> 00:41:11,367
this kid should have
a normal life, Charlie?
872
00:41:11,369 --> 00:41:13,303
Yes,
as long as y'all do
873
00:41:13,305 --> 00:41:15,071
everything I'm telling you
to do.
874
00:41:15,073 --> 00:41:16,840
I had already
made up my mind
875
00:41:16,842 --> 00:41:18,675
if it was going to be something
like this
876
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:22,045
- that we were going to leave.
- Absolutely. We're gone.
877
00:41:22,047 --> 00:41:24,814
The kids come first,
878
00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:28,952
and they got to have
a normal childhood.
879
00:41:28,954 --> 00:41:31,554
The only way this family
can remain safe
880
00:41:31,556 --> 00:41:34,691
is to move as far away
as possible.
881
00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:37,327
They also need to contact
a psychic reiki master
882
00:41:37,329 --> 00:41:39,729
to break Corey's
negative attachments.
883
00:41:39,731 --> 00:41:43,166
If they do that, they can leave
the skeleton man behind
884
00:41:43,168 --> 00:41:45,902
and begin a peaceful life
somewhere else.
885
00:41:45,952 --> 00:41:50,502
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