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[serene music playing]
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[Peggy Phillips]
When I was four or five,
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my mother and dad
got me a puzzle...
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and I was not able
to get the puzzle to fit.
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So I snuck off and got my mother's scissors...
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I cut the pieces
to make them fit.
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I never liked things
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that went zigzag in my mind.
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I wanted everything to fit
even if I had to make it fit.
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And I think
that was the beginning
of the story of my life.
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I always tried to make it fit.
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[woman 1] Peggy Phillips
stands by her baby's grave.
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[low tempo music playing]
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35 years ago she had a baby girl out of wedlock,
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a baby she says her parents
didn't want her to keep.
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Peggy gave birth here at Chattanooga's Memorial Hospital.
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Doctors told Peggy the baby died
days after she was born.
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But Peggy says before her
mother died,
she told her the truth.
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She told me that the baby
had been adopted out.
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So then, of course, I wondered,
well, what's in the grave?
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[Zach Marion] A few years ago
I discovered Peggy's story
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while doing research
for another project.
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It came to me in the form
of a short online article
from 1997.
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Like many people, I have questions about a family tragedy in my past that trouble me,
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but none loomed so large
as to cast a shadow
over my entire life.
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Peggy's longing struck me
as an intriguing premise
for a documentary
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and a potential opportunity
to help another human being.
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I wrote her a letter...
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and three days later
she called me.
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It was the beginning
of an unlikely friendship
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formed to unravel a mystery
nearly 60 years in the making.
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[low tempo music playing]
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Okay.
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-Hey.
-Hey.
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-How are you?
-I'm fine.
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-Can we come in?
-Sure.
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All right.
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I think what we'll,
what we might do
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is maybe we'll bring in a few
little pieces of equipment.
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-[Peggy] Okay.
-[Zach] And then we can
pick a spot
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-and then we can sit and talk
for a little while.
-[Peggy] Okay.
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-[Zach] Does that sound good?
-[Peggy] That sounds okay.
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[Zach] Okay.
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[serene music playing]
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When I was 19, my sister-in-law
brought these guys over
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and... Bob was not one of them
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that was to be considered...
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but he decided to impress me
by walking on his hands
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down the sidewalk.
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I never thought
about him being married.
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That never entered my mind.
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He told me
that they were getting divorced,
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that she had left him.
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So we started dating each other.
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He did have one other habit
I wasn't happy about,
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he did drink.
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This one night he fooled me
and he was pretty high...
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and...
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that's when...
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that happened.
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[crying]
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[cries]
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[Peggy] After that
I didn't see him.
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I talked to other girls
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and they told me the first time
that you probably
won't get pregnant.
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But I did.
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I was 19,
but I was 19 going on 13.
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Right here is the little house.
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I was 15
when we first moved here.
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There wasn't anything
but a barn.
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I left and went to my aunt's
because I knew my dad
had a quick temper.
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And with me being pregnant,
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I didn't want him to get mad
and hit out at me.
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I remember when I was pregnant
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that mother
would take the chairs
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and take them behind the house
when I was here.
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She didn't want the neighbors
to know it.
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Dad told me that...
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if I agreed to have the baby
put up for adoption
that I could come back home.
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And I told him no.
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I never intended to do that.
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And you know after that
it never felt back home again.
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Never did.
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So I stayed with my aunt...
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and her daughter.
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[Zach Marion] Jewel,
tell me about your house.
How long have you lived here?
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-How long have I lived here?
-Mm-hmm.
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Before he was born.
How old are you, Doug?
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67.
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67.
I've been here about 80 years.
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[Zach Marion] So we're actually
in the room where Peggy stayed
when she was pregnant?
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[Doug Scott] Right. When Peggy
was here, I was 12 years old.
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At first I kind of thought like
what's this person doing here,
you know, or why is she here.
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And nobody really said.
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She just said it was just that
she's gonna be staying with us
for a while.
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[Peggy Phillips] When I was
six months pregnant,
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I had my first visit
with Dr. Thomas Monroe.
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After the exam,
he told us to go into his office
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and he had papers there
for me to sign...
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to give my baby away.
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I told him I never intended
to give my baby away.
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And he said, "Well, you know
your baby will be called
a bastard, don't you?"
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And I remember saying they can
call me what they want to,
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but they won't be able
to call my baby a bastard.
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[Zach Marion] One of the things
that Peggy told me was when she
first met with your father,
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he... he strongly encouraged her
to give her child up
for adoption
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saying that she didn't want
to keep this child
because it would be a bastard
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and, you know,
would have a stigma against it.
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Could you see your dad
saying something like that?
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Yes, I could see him
saying that very forcefully
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and... and really putting
pressure on... on her.
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He... he would think
that would be completely best.
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He believed that and...
and there was something to that
in 1962.
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I was surprised
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I had never heard of a doctor
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trying to push an adoption
on someone.
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It might have been because
my dad was connected
to other OB/GYNs
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and OB/GYNs in those days would
facilitate private adoptions,
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that they would do
that sort of thing.
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It might have been
that he had access
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to that kind of secondary
adoption agency
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or adoption trail.
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[Peggy Phillips] I went
into labor about two weeks
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from being time for me
to have the baby.
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So I called mother and told her.
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She said, "Well, we'll be over
to get you."
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But my dad left that night.
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He said that he couldn't stay
under the same house
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with a whore.
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Correct.
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He was concerned about
the people he worked with
finding out.
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There was so much shame
about having a child
when you weren't married
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was just totally different
than it is today.
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At that time Memorial Hospital
would not allow a single woman
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to go into their hospital
and have a baby.
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They had a paper there
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that they needed me to sign
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saying that I could go into the
hospital under Bob's name.
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It wasn't really that bad
of a labor.
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I mean, it was 13 hours
and me, I was scared.
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I... I had a feeling
that something
wasn't going to be right.
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When they got me in there to the
delivery room,
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I said there's no need in giving
me anything to knock me out...
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and they did it anyway.
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[dramatic music playing]
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When I woke up, my mother
and my cousin were there
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and said that they got
to hold the baby
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and the baby had all its fingers
and its little toes
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and it was okay.
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I was there.
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Yeah, how'd you get there?
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I guess somebody took me.
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-I guess somebody...
somebody had to take me...
-Well, of course.
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...because I couldn't drive
back then.
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-Do you remember who took you?
-I don't know.
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-Did Gary take you or...
-But I know I stayed down there.
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I stayed with her
until she had the baby.
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-Right.
-And the baby was fine.
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And I didn't... they wouldn't
let me see the baby.
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[Zach Marion] Do you remember
being in the room
when it was born?
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No.
I asked her about that earlier.
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No, she wasn't in the room.
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So... and she just never really
saw the child, you know.
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Uh, she wants to think that she
did, how's that,
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uh, and she wants to believe
that she did, uh, but, no,
she didn't ever see the child.
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My OB/GYN came in...
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and he said that, "I guess you
know your baby was a stillborn."
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And I was trying to tell him,
"No, she's okay now."
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"Did you try to do away
with her?"
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"Did you take something?"
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"No. Well, she's deformed,
so you don't want to see her."
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There was an ashtray
sitting there by the bed.
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I picked it up, threw it at him.
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He went running down
to the nurse's station
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and ordered me a sedative.
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Ten minutes after that
Dr. Brackett, who was
the family doctor, comes in...
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and he was asking me,
"Why are you pitching a fit?"
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"Why are you throwing out
ashtrays at doctors?"
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I told him and he said,
"Your baby's not dead."
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"I just come from your baby."
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"Your baby's not deformed."
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And he called and told him to
get him a wheelchair up there.
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He put me in a wheelchair and
wheeled me up to the nursery.
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I was pretty well out of it,
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but I can remember them
holding a baby up for me to see.
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There was no IV on her,
there was no oxygen.
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Nothing that you would put on
a baby that was seriously ill.
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[baby crying]
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When I woke up the next
morning at about 6:00,
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this other doctor come in,
Dr. Perrin,
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a specialist
and said that she had just died.
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And I did look him in the eye
and I said, "Are you sure?"
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And he said, "Yes, I'm sure."
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[Zach Marion] Peggy shared
with me the birth certificate
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and death certificate
for her daughter
who she named Darlene.
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On the certificate of death,
the cause listed
is primary atelectasis,
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which is the failure of lungs
to fully expand at birth.
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Also listed is a congenital heart deformity.
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Is there anything about these
documents that make you question
their authenticity?
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The name was spelt different.
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On the birth certificate
her name was D-A-R-L-E-N-E,
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and on the death certificate
it was D-A-R-L-I-N-E .
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There is no mistake that can
be made on a death certificate.
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I know that from experience.
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I worked for a pulmonary
specialist for two years
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and I would prepare
the death certificates
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and all he did
was sign the bottom of it.
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So I realized
it wasn't that hard
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to get a death certificate done.
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[Doug] Well, now wait a minute.
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One minute you say you saw
the baby, an hour later
you didn't see the baby.
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I did. I saw the baby.
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-See what I'm saying?
-And then they said it died.
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They wouldn't let me see her
and they wouldn't let me
go to the funeral.
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Every time I would request it,
I got another pill stuck
in my mouth.
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[Zach] There was a funeral
for the baby.
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-At that time.
-At that time.
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Yeah. See, we don't know
anything about that.
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-We never...
-So you don't remember
a funeral?
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I don't even know. I wasn't
driving or anything back then.
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-They brought the baby
into the room.
-Yes, they did.
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-And the baby was alive then?
-Yes.
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Baby was alive then.
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So it died that night
or the next day
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or whatever in your opinion
or the way you remember it.
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-Well, they...
-Or that's what was told to you.
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And... and that was
what we did, yeah.
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That's important, I know now
that ended it right there.
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[Peggy] I called my aunt
from work
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because I couldn't mention
anything about the baby
in my parents' house.
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She told me to quit crying.
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She said,
"Peggy, your baby's not dead."
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"Charles Byles
adopted your baby."
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I went and faced my parents
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and asked them if that was
what had happened.
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They said, "No, it wasn't."
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So again, I believed my parents.
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[Zach] Dr. Byles passed away
in 2007.
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He spent most of his life
working in Chattanooga
as a veterinarian
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where he co-founded what is
now known as the
Shallowford Animal Hospital.
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Dr. Byles had one daughter,
an adopted child named
Catherine Suzanne Smith.
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Peggy keeps
this newspaper clipping
of Chattanooga's most wanted.
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Catherine Suzanne Smith, who Peggy refers to as Suzanne,
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was born six months to the day
that Peggy's baby was born.
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[Peggy] I entered school
to become a dental assistant....
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graduated and that's when
I met my husband.
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The next few years I was having
trouble trying to get pregnant.
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I was getting pregnant
but I was miscarrying.
249
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They had to do surgery.
250
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My dad [inaudible] once told me,
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he said for a certain amount
of money I can get you a baby,
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you don't have
to go through that.
253
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I said, "What do you mean
you can get me a baby?"
254
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He says, "I know some people."
255
00:26:01,211 --> 00:26:03,823
And it went through my mind then
256
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if you can get me a baby,
you could get rid of my baby.
257
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[Zach] Did you suspect
that when your dad told you
that he could get you a baby
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that there might be some kind of
operation going on or...
259
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,319
Yeah, I did think that.
In fact, I knew that.
260
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This next story
will blow your mind.
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With the help of a DNA test,
a mother and daughter
just met for the first time
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after nearly 70 years.
263
00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:35,463
Tonight in Georgia there are
still hundreds of people
looking for answers.
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Tonight's story is about babies right here in the United States in Memphis, Tennessee.
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Certain members of my family...
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was...
267
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doing...
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-Black market.
-Black market babies.
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00:26:51,566 --> 00:26:54,090
...black market babies.
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Infants and young children
are stolen and sold by underground baby selling rings.
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I know you all find this hard
to believe but it really
is going on in America.
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Some of the girls was very poor.
273
00:27:06,407 --> 00:27:09,366
It...
I mean, they really had nothing.
274
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Mostly women who were poor
or uneducated
and so couldn't fight back.
275
00:27:13,457 --> 00:27:17,461
And they would pay them
a thousand dollars.
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Up to thousands of dollars.
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For the baby.
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I just feel like that...
that I'm a black market baby
until I know better.
279
00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:30,344
Beyond your father, did you
ever hear about a baby ring
from anybody else?
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Only from my first cousin,
Margaret.
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She had heard about me having
so many miscarriages.
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I don't remember her exact words
but it was,
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00:27:47,753 --> 00:27:51,670
"I know how to get you a baby."
284
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She seemed proud of the fact.
285
00:28:08,512 --> 00:28:09,949
My name is Zach Marion.
286
00:28:09,992 --> 00:28:12,516
I'm a filmmaker
working on a documentary.
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00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,131
Did your parents ever have any
involvement with a baby trading
ring or anything like that?
288
00:28:18,174 --> 00:28:21,351
No, not that I know of.
I've never heard anything.
289
00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:25,442
-They never mentioned
that they were--
-No.
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Never mentioned it.
291
00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:29,533
Do you think that something
like that could be true?
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00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,365
Knowing my mom and dad,
no, I don't think so.
293
00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:38,760
My daughter could never find me.
294
00:28:38,804 --> 00:28:41,067
But she's here today.
Meet your daughter.
Jackie, come on out.
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00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:44,287
[applause]
296
00:28:44,331 --> 00:28:50,816
In a lifetime of wanting this,
wishing that I could find
my mother.
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00:28:50,859 --> 00:28:55,690
[indistinct chatter]
298
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,083
[woman 2] It's okay.
299
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,308
[Zach] So your dad offers to get
you a baby, and then what do you
decide to do?
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00:29:06,527 --> 00:29:09,965
I wanted a baby so bad
301
00:29:10,009 --> 00:29:14,578
even though I knew that
that had to be wrong...
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00:29:15,797 --> 00:29:19,148
I decided I would do it.
303
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:25,154
For three or four months
I was happy,
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00:29:25,198 --> 00:29:29,855
I was buying baby clothes.
305
00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:34,860
I didn't notice
but I was pregnant.
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00:29:36,905 --> 00:29:41,562
[serene music playing]
307
00:29:56,882 --> 00:30:01,147
[Peggy] For a long time
it was normal home.
308
00:30:40,099 --> 00:30:45,408
Having my son did help me
to forget but not completely.
309
00:30:48,411 --> 00:30:54,635
It never completely went out
of my mind about the first baby.
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00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:07,822
[Zach Marion] Tell me the events
leading up
to your mother's passing.
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00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:14,307
After she fell and broke her
hip, she just seemingly gave up.
312
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:16,309
She just would not eat.
313
00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:20,835
She got to where she wouldn't
get up, didn't want to walk.
314
00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:25,318
This is from my diary.
315
00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:29,409
"I heard nothing
until mom entered the hospital.
316
00:31:29,452 --> 00:31:34,849
She went into a coma
on December 10, 1994.
317
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,548
The doctor said she wouldn't
come out of it.
318
00:31:38,592 --> 00:31:41,987
He expected her to die
before morning.
319
00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:44,728
But God had other plans.
320
00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:48,384
She came out of the coma
the next afternoon."
321
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,258
And that's when she said
you're doing this
322
00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:57,089
just because of what Claude did
to your daughter.
323
00:32:00,309 --> 00:32:06,272
She told me that she tried
to get dad not to do what he did
with my baby.
324
00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:14,976
"But then she turned on me
and said it was my fault
325
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:18,501
because I made him do it
by getting pregnant."
326
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:27,641
I said, "How did you do that,
mother, I never did sign
adoption papers?"
327
00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:33,386
And she said, "Your daddy signed
your name, said you'd never know
the difference."
328
00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:37,694
I asked her, I said,
"Well, who... who was it?
329
00:32:37,738 --> 00:32:40,088
Who had her?"
330
00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:45,354
And she said, "When I get out
of here, I'll take you to her."
331
00:32:46,312 --> 00:32:51,795
She rolled over in the bed
and went into a coma.
332
00:32:54,711 --> 00:32:56,757
She never did come out of it.
333
00:33:04,069 --> 00:33:08,769
♪ Happy birthday to you
334
00:33:08,812 --> 00:33:13,252
♪ Happy birthday to you
335
00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:18,474
♪ Happy birthday, dear Peggy
336
00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:22,783
♪ Happy birthday to you
337
00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:26,787
Thank y'all.
338
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:33,837
[blowing]
339
00:33:38,451 --> 00:33:41,149
Whooo!
340
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:43,760
Well done.
341
00:33:44,892 --> 00:33:46,676
-Did you make a wish?
-Mm-hmm.
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00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,764
Don't tell anybody.
343
00:33:52,378 --> 00:33:54,423
You're not supposed to tell it.
344
00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:09,003
I got this attorney
to represent me.
345
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:11,832
[Zach Marion] Just first say
your first and last name
and spell it.
346
00:34:11,875 --> 00:34:16,097
It's Doug Cox. D-O-U-G C-O-X.
347
00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:19,535
I'm a lawyer and I've been
practicing since 1987.
348
00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:26,107
When I first heard the story,
it was strange enough that
I thought this could be true.
349
00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:28,414
Her mother on her deathbed
had told her
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00:34:28,457 --> 00:34:34,507
that the child had actually
survived and had been adopted
by Dr. Byles,
351
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:37,336
which was up the street from,
or up the road from
where they lived.
352
00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:39,773
I think they actually
knew each other.
353
00:34:39,816 --> 00:34:45,344
And I felt like Miss Phillips,
she needed some closure
to this issue.
354
00:34:45,387 --> 00:34:50,610
[Peggy Phillips] Then I called
Doug Cox and asked him if he
would slip an appointment for me
355
00:34:50,653 --> 00:34:53,352
and the Byles to meet.
356
00:34:53,395 --> 00:34:59,140
I decided that maybe
they would just come on out
357
00:34:59,184 --> 00:35:03,275
and tell me the truth
358
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:09,368
and tell me how they got her
and so forth.
359
00:35:10,978 --> 00:35:16,157
When Charles and Dorothy Byles
came in,
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00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:21,771
I said, "Well, I guess
you have heard of me."
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00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:23,860
And he said, "No."
362
00:35:23,904 --> 00:35:27,081
I said, "Well, I think you have
my baby."
363
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:28,778
"No."
364
00:35:28,822 --> 00:35:31,955
And so I knew it wasn't gonna
be no truth meeting.
365
00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:35,655
And he got very angry
366
00:35:35,698 --> 00:35:40,703
when he found out
I had his daughter's
birth certificate.
367
00:35:40,747 --> 00:35:41,791
Yeah.
368
00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:45,186
[Zach] This is Suzanne's
actual birth certificate.
369
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:47,057
[Peggy] Mm-hmm.
370
00:35:47,101 --> 00:35:49,059
[Zach] How did you get the
hospital to give this to you?
371
00:35:50,017 --> 00:35:54,152
[Peggy] At that time
I worked in medical records.
372
00:35:57,242 --> 00:36:02,029
From the birth of Miss Phillips'
child to the adoption
was a six month period,
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00:36:02,072 --> 00:36:04,162
which was fairly close
for an adoption.
374
00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:14,694
Charles Byles asked my attorney,
375
00:36:14,737 --> 00:36:18,132
"Does she have enough evidence
to sue me?"
376
00:36:19,133 --> 00:36:25,966
Doug Cox said, "No, she don't
have enough evidence now."
377
00:36:26,009 --> 00:36:32,799
He said, "Well, then if she
don't have enough evidence
to prove this case,
378
00:36:32,842 --> 00:36:37,543
then I'm wronged,"
and he got up and left.
379
00:36:37,586 --> 00:36:43,244
And while he was gone,
his wife had pictures
380
00:36:43,288 --> 00:36:48,467
and she was showing me pictures
and telling me about them,
381
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:53,733
what kind of baby Suzanne was
and asked me then,
382
00:36:53,776 --> 00:36:56,562
"Would you like to have
some of the pictures?"
383
00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:00,783
And I thought
you just told me that...
384
00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:04,483
that couldn't be my baby,
385
00:37:05,397 --> 00:37:07,355
why are you doing this?
386
00:37:10,445 --> 00:37:15,842
That's automatic to me but
you knew that it wasn't right.
387
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,284
When Peggy's daughter was born,
388
00:37:23,328 --> 00:37:30,073
um, I was probably in the second
grade but my aunts
always discussed it.
389
00:37:30,117 --> 00:37:35,078
They always said that her
daughter was adopted out,
or didn't die.
390
00:37:35,122 --> 00:37:37,211
They've always said that.
My whole life I've heard it.
391
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:40,432
And so one day
I went to see Peggy
and she started talking about it
392
00:37:40,475 --> 00:37:44,044
and it kind of angered me
because I find people for hobby.
393
00:37:44,087 --> 00:37:46,612
So I thought, "Well, I'm sure
I can find Suzanne."
394
00:37:48,309 --> 00:37:50,572
[Peggy Phillips] My cousin said,
395
00:37:50,616 --> 00:37:56,578
"Well, there's a woman
that lives up the street here
by the name of Suzanne."
396
00:37:56,622 --> 00:38:02,584
Suzanne lived on a street
where my daughter's friend's
grandmother lived there forever.
397
00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:06,414
So her friend's grandmother
remembered Suzanne
and growing up.
398
00:38:08,024 --> 00:38:14,248
She went up there and knocked on
the door and Suzanne's husband
come to the door.
399
00:38:15,336 --> 00:38:21,995
And so he took my number and
called the detention center
400
00:38:22,038 --> 00:38:25,303
and Suzanne called me
that night.
401
00:38:25,346 --> 00:38:30,133
Her words was, "I've...
I've heard that you've been
hunting me."
402
00:38:31,091 --> 00:38:35,791
And I remember, I said,
"I think I've been hunting you
all my life."
403
00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:35,982
Hey, Suzanne, it's Zach.
404
00:39:37,505 --> 00:39:39,464
I'm up at, uh, at Hardee's.
405
00:39:39,507 --> 00:39:41,074
Do you think
you can make it up here?
406
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:44,817
-[laughs]
-Oh, no?
407
00:39:47,602 --> 00:39:48,603
Um...
408
00:39:54,827 --> 00:39:56,132
Okay.
409
00:40:10,712 --> 00:40:11,844
Hey.
410
00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:16,457
We're just, uh, we're sitting
at the bottom of the driveway.
411
00:40:18,938 --> 00:40:19,982
All right, hang on.
412
00:41:12,774 --> 00:41:18,476
I try to keep my distance from
people because I don't want to
harm them with my drug addiction
413
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:25,308
and, you know, [inaudible],
I'm... I've been dried out
and then bang, back.
414
00:41:26,658 --> 00:41:28,964
[woman 3] A search for the truth
brought Peggy here
415
00:41:29,008 --> 00:41:32,141
to the Tennessee Prison
for Women in Nashville.
416
00:41:32,185 --> 00:41:35,971
Behind the security guards
and the wire fence
417
00:41:36,015 --> 00:41:38,800
Suzanne Smith
walks the hallways.
418
00:41:38,844 --> 00:41:42,891
All I've been told
about my birth mother
is that she was a nurse,
419
00:41:42,935 --> 00:41:49,681
she was unmarried
and she just couldn't raise me
and she gave me away.
420
00:41:50,682 --> 00:41:53,902
Yes, this is one
that she sent me.
421
00:41:53,946 --> 00:41:55,513
[Zach Marion] Do you want
to hold it up actually?
422
00:41:55,556 --> 00:41:57,253
It's because the camera
will see it.
423
00:41:57,297 --> 00:42:03,521
From prison when we were
very close to each other
424
00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:08,351
and I felt that connection
with her...
425
00:42:10,571 --> 00:42:13,356
that she was my daughter.
426
00:42:17,317 --> 00:42:20,015
This is a picture of Suzanne.
427
00:42:22,322 --> 00:42:28,458
And, of course, you're going to
put your children's pictures out
428
00:42:28,502 --> 00:42:30,678
where people can see them.
429
00:42:31,636 --> 00:42:34,900
People that adopt their children
are going to have to understand
430
00:42:34,943 --> 00:42:40,558
that that no matter what they
do, no matter what they buy us,
no matter what they give us,
431
00:42:40,601 --> 00:42:43,212
beat us, give us, whatever,
432
00:42:43,256 --> 00:42:47,695
we want our mama
and our mama wants us.
433
00:42:47,739 --> 00:42:52,004
[woman 4] Peggy says she's
99 percent sure
Suzanne is her daughter.
434
00:42:52,047 --> 00:42:54,746
In an exclusive
Eyewitness News interview
435
00:42:54,789 --> 00:42:58,663
Suzanne says she first learned
about Peggy
from a childhood friend.
436
00:42:58,706 --> 00:43:01,753
I believed it.
I really believed it.
437
00:43:01,796 --> 00:43:05,713
And then... and I took it
real hard at first.
438
00:43:05,757 --> 00:43:11,153
[Peggy Phillips] This is
a letter I received from Suzanne
where she was in prison.
439
00:43:11,197 --> 00:43:14,809
February 2, 1996.
440
00:43:14,853 --> 00:43:17,725
"Dear Peggy and Jimmy,
441
00:43:17,769 --> 00:43:24,079
while I was home on escape
I dyed my hair black,
442
00:43:24,123 --> 00:43:28,649
well, there is no doubt
I look just like you, Peggy."
443
00:43:28,693 --> 00:43:32,000
[Suzanne Smith] Peggy would say,
"Oh, my little finger
looks like yours."
444
00:43:32,044 --> 00:43:35,613
I'd say, "Peggy,
I know it looks like yours.
445
00:43:35,656 --> 00:43:38,354
Women's fingers,
you know, they..."
446
00:43:38,398 --> 00:43:41,662
I said, "But I'm not going to go
into that with you, Peggy."
447
00:43:41,706 --> 00:43:45,623
I said, "If you want me to be
your daughter and fill that void
in your life, I will."
448
00:43:45,666 --> 00:43:50,540
I said that I can only do it
until my drug addiction kicks in
449
00:43:50,584 --> 00:43:52,586
and I'm out of control.
450
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:55,850
I said, "Darling,
there's nothing you can do.
Nobody can do."
451
00:43:55,894 --> 00:44:00,899
I don't think God can do
anything with me, you know,
because I go on self-destruct.
452
00:44:01,856 --> 00:44:06,600
Suzanne has spent three years
in prison for drug dealing
and parole violation.
453
00:44:07,862 --> 00:44:13,433
When I met Peggy,
I just started doing drugs,
you know, just every day.
454
00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:16,915
Suzanne says she then turned
to her adoptive parents
for answers,
455
00:44:16,958 --> 00:44:20,483
but then learned
they had connections to Peggy.
456
00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:22,572
Peggy was pregnant.
457
00:44:22,616 --> 00:44:28,840
She stayed at her aunt's
who lived next door
to my father's parents.
458
00:44:28,883 --> 00:44:34,367
Then she also
has some of my mother's cousins
459
00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:37,936
married into her family,
you know her parents' family.
460
00:44:39,024 --> 00:44:41,679
[Peggy Phillips] "Dear Peggy,
I get really mad
461
00:44:41,722 --> 00:44:45,160
when I think of you being lied
to all those years."
462
00:44:45,204 --> 00:44:47,728
"Dear Mom,
I got your letter today."
463
00:44:47,772 --> 00:44:51,514
"I'm just really thankful
you all did find me."
464
00:44:51,558 --> 00:44:55,649
"I'm at peace knowing the real
mother I have [inaudible]
465
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,477
has a face to go with it."
466
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
February 12th, 1996.
467
00:45:00,523 --> 00:45:06,965
"Hi, Mom, a lot of people
don't understand
why I've always been so unhappy.
468
00:45:07,008 --> 00:45:10,403
You were and are the key
of making me whole."
469
00:45:10,446 --> 00:45:12,666
March 5th.
470
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:16,322
"I really thought it's sweet
for you to want to make your
daughter a room.
471
00:45:16,365 --> 00:45:18,150
Green is my favorite color."
472
00:45:18,193 --> 00:45:20,892
"Hi, Mom,
thanks for my birthday present."
473
00:45:20,935 --> 00:45:22,632
March 12th.
474
00:45:22,676 --> 00:45:25,810
"It's really nice to be able
to tell you anything."
475
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:29,248
March 20th, April 17th.
476
00:45:33,165 --> 00:45:40,041
By that time I... It...
I felt like I had adopted her
477
00:45:40,085 --> 00:45:42,391
in my heart,
478
00:45:42,435 --> 00:45:47,962
that she would always be like
my daughter no matter what.
479
00:45:49,007 --> 00:45:51,096
You know, I really want to
believe this
480
00:45:51,139 --> 00:45:55,143
and, you know,
I'd much rather think, you know,
I was taken than given.
481
00:45:55,187 --> 00:46:01,671
But, you know, I have to also
keep that other spot open
just in case it's not true.
482
00:46:03,978 --> 00:46:05,545
What is it? Yeah.
483
00:46:05,588 --> 00:46:07,547
[Zach Marion] It says, uh,
"Dear Suzanne,
484
00:46:07,590 --> 00:46:09,854
I've been wanting to get
in touch with you
for quite a while.
485
00:46:09,897 --> 00:46:12,857
I want you to know that
I didn't lose touch with you
because I wanted to.
486
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:15,642
I lost my job
and I had to have surgery.
487
00:46:15,685 --> 00:46:17,905
I still love you.
488
00:46:17,949 --> 00:46:20,690
And if you ever decide to call
me, my number is,"
and the number's here.
489
00:46:20,734 --> 00:46:22,301
It says, "Love, Peggy."
490
00:46:22,344 --> 00:46:23,824
[bell chimes]
491
00:46:23,868 --> 00:46:26,174
Yeah. You know, she...
she does love you.
492
00:46:26,218 --> 00:46:27,741
I know she does.
493
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:29,395
-Do you want this too?
-Mm-hmm.
494
00:46:29,438 --> 00:46:30,918
She really does.
495
00:46:30,962 --> 00:46:32,441
-And I think--
-I know she does. [sniffles]
496
00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:35,053
You know, I've heard.
497
00:46:36,576 --> 00:46:37,620
I just...
498
00:46:39,274 --> 00:46:42,538
I mean, now, um,
where I'm at in my life...
499
00:46:44,018 --> 00:46:46,499
I could be around her
and not hurt her.
500
00:46:46,542 --> 00:46:49,502
All that I know is that at one
point in time
501
00:46:49,545 --> 00:46:52,331
that Peggy had welcomed Suzanne
into her home
502
00:46:52,374 --> 00:46:55,987
and that... and... and Peggy
was really under the impression
503
00:46:56,030 --> 00:47:00,165
that, uh, she had found
the truth
that this was her daughter.
504
00:47:03,037 --> 00:47:04,996
But that didn't turn out well.
505
00:47:26,191 --> 00:47:31,413
[Peggy] This is where she got
my checks
506
00:47:31,457 --> 00:47:35,156
and wrote... wrote them up.
507
00:47:38,899 --> 00:47:40,248
And my jewelry.
508
00:47:42,598 --> 00:47:48,735
And that is the reason
my son feels hurt at her.
509
00:48:27,252 --> 00:48:31,125
[Evelyn Burroughs] It was pretty
early in the morning,
a knock on the door,
510
00:48:31,169 --> 00:48:35,129
and a gentleman at the door
identified himself,
511
00:48:35,173 --> 00:48:40,874
told me he was process server
and that he had papers
for Mr. Robert Burroughs.
512
00:48:44,356 --> 00:48:49,013
He was trying to get a DNA test
from my husband
513
00:48:49,056 --> 00:48:53,017
so that they could make sure
that Suzanne was his daughter.
514
00:48:54,018 --> 00:48:59,806
They came up and took blood
from my husband
and they had blood from Peggy.
515
00:48:59,849 --> 00:49:04,028
So they went out to Silverdale
to get some from Suzanne.
516
00:49:04,071 --> 00:49:08,380
[Zach] Did you know anything
about the child earlier on,
517
00:49:08,423 --> 00:49:10,556
like, throughout your marriage
or anything?
518
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:11,861
No.
519
00:49:11,905 --> 00:49:17,476
I mean,
my husband was a womanizer
520
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,958
and I'm sure there might be more
out there, I don't know.
521
00:49:21,001 --> 00:49:24,004
How did you feel about
the DNA test that was done?
522
00:49:24,048 --> 00:49:26,876
I felt like it was
a waste of her money.
523
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,401
-Did you tell her that?
-Yes, I did.
524
00:49:29,444 --> 00:49:33,753
But there was nothing going to
make Peggy have peace
within herself until she did.
525
00:49:33,796 --> 00:49:38,671
It came back showing
she wasn't my daughter.
526
00:49:43,806 --> 00:49:46,984
That was very hard to believe.
527
00:49:48,768 --> 00:49:52,293
I guess I chose not to believe.
528
00:49:52,337 --> 00:49:56,558
I was talking to Peggy one day
and she said, "I just got
a phone call from somebody."
529
00:49:56,602 --> 00:49:59,039
I said, "What happened?"
530
00:49:59,083 --> 00:50:01,781
She said, "This lady called me
and said do you remember
531
00:50:01,824 --> 00:50:06,481
when you had somebody out here
to take a DNA sample
from Suzanne?"
532
00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:08,527
And Peggy said, "Yeah, why?"
533
00:50:09,441 --> 00:50:12,705
And this girl said, "Well,
it wasn't Suzanne's blood."
534
00:50:13,619 --> 00:50:16,448
Said, "I'm the one
that gave the sample."
535
00:50:16,491 --> 00:50:20,060
I said, "Well, did you find out
who she was or anything?"
She said, "No."
536
00:50:20,104 --> 00:50:22,280
Said, "She wouldn't tell me
and she just..."
537
00:50:22,323 --> 00:50:25,022
You know, she said, "I just
thought you needed to know."
538
00:51:01,275 --> 00:51:04,322
DNA testing, as we discussed
earlier back then,
539
00:51:04,365 --> 00:51:07,934
everybody was under the,
you know, impression
that it was infallible.
540
00:51:07,977 --> 00:51:15,376
And so I... I was hoping
with that in hand that Peggy
would finally put it to rest.
541
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:16,464
But she didn't.
542
00:51:25,604 --> 00:51:32,567
So I decided that I would go
another way
543
00:51:32,611 --> 00:51:36,832
and try to have
the grave exhumed.
544
00:51:39,661 --> 00:51:43,796
I called the funeral home and
asked the man
545
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:49,802
if he had records that went back
that far and he told me he did.
546
00:51:50,933 --> 00:51:57,549
It showed only thing that was
put down as an expense
547
00:51:57,592 --> 00:52:03,555
was 45 dollars for a casket,
548
00:52:03,598 --> 00:52:08,386
nothing for keeping
the baby overnight,
549
00:52:08,429 --> 00:52:10,823
nothing for the embalmment,
550
00:52:10,866 --> 00:52:17,525
no expense on the hearse
taking the baby
to the gravesite.
551
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:24,053
I said I remember
that they charged for all that.
552
00:52:25,446 --> 00:52:28,754
And he said, "Yes, Ma'am,
I can't explain that.
553
00:52:28,797 --> 00:52:30,582
I don't know why they didn't."
554
00:52:32,888 --> 00:52:35,456
[woman 5] Peggy Phillips walks
into Chancery Court
looking for truth.
555
00:52:36,892 --> 00:52:38,851
She's hired an attorney.
556
00:52:38,894 --> 00:52:41,593
They want Judge Vann Owens
to order the grave be dug up.
557
00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:47,816
State law requires that the
Department of Health to have a court order to dig up a grave.
558
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:50,210
A decision will be made
in about 30 days,
559
00:52:50,254 --> 00:52:53,822
unlocking a mystery that's haunted Peggy most of her life.
560
00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:57,522
[Jodi Brooks]
I was in my mid-20s
561
00:52:57,565 --> 00:53:01,656
and I was working in
Chattanooga, Tennessee,
for Channel 3
562
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:05,312
and we had just finished
my story in the newscast.
563
00:53:05,356 --> 00:53:08,010
And I go back to my desk
and my phone's ringing.
564
00:53:08,054 --> 00:53:11,188
And usually it's like, "Oh, my
gosh, my boss is calling me,"
like, "What did I say wrong?
565
00:53:11,231 --> 00:53:14,191
What did I do?" And I answered
the phone and it was Peggy.
566
00:53:14,234 --> 00:53:18,151
And she said she had just seen
my story on the news
and she had a story for me.
567
00:53:19,108 --> 00:53:22,634
[Zach] When you first heard
Peggy's story, how did you feel?
568
00:53:22,677 --> 00:53:26,464
Yeah, I was... I was sad for her
and I wanted to help her.
569
00:53:26,507 --> 00:53:30,207
I'm like, you deserve the truth.
We all deserve the truth.
Let's figure it out.
570
00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:33,645
[Doug Cox] The chancellor
was not sure that he had
the authority
571
00:53:33,688 --> 00:53:36,038
to order this disinterment.
572
00:53:36,082 --> 00:53:41,522
But after some time he came
around and we got the order
that was necessary
573
00:53:41,566 --> 00:53:42,871
to exhume the body.
574
00:53:44,177 --> 00:53:48,529
The only way I've made it
is my belief in God
575
00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:52,577
and God's been with me
through the whole thing.
576
00:53:52,620 --> 00:53:55,319
He wanted me to find out.
577
00:53:55,362 --> 00:53:58,844
[Jodi] Soon Peggy will find out
if her intuition is right.
578
00:53:58,887 --> 00:54:02,674
Judge Vann Owens ruled today the baby's grave can be dug up.
579
00:54:02,717 --> 00:54:04,806
He said Peggy deserves closure.
580
00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:07,156
It's hard to explain how I feel.
581
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,640
It's wonderful, at least I know
I can get
to the end of this now.
582
00:54:12,684 --> 00:54:17,297
[Zach] At any point did
you think that Miss Phillips'
motivating factor was financial?
583
00:54:17,341 --> 00:54:20,996
Never. That... that...
It was never financial.
584
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,478
And I... I feel quite
positive about that.
585
00:54:24,522 --> 00:54:28,569
I mean, because we, even at
the time this was going on,
586
00:54:28,613 --> 00:54:33,922
we were contacted by other
companies that wanted to do
a film production
587
00:54:33,966 --> 00:54:36,664
and, uh, it never crossed
her mind.
588
00:54:36,708 --> 00:54:40,494
It... it was never anything that
she seemed that interested in.
589
00:54:40,538 --> 00:54:44,193
Is there a reason that you never
did talk shows
or anything like that?
590
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:51,679
I just... I really am more
of a private person
591
00:54:51,723 --> 00:54:56,423
and I really didn't want to
stimulate that
592
00:54:56,467 --> 00:55:03,125
to where they would be more
[inaudible] in that one and
more [inaudible] in that one.
593
00:55:03,169 --> 00:55:05,345
Was there something different
about this film?
594
00:55:06,477 --> 00:55:11,177
I just...
I just liked your voice
595
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:14,398
when I first heard
you talking to me.
596
00:55:16,138 --> 00:55:18,271
I worked for Chattanooga Wilbert
Vault Company
597
00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:23,624
and, uh, we were hired to
come in and do the disinterment.
598
00:55:23,668 --> 00:55:26,801
And who actually hires you to,
to bring you in
for something like that?
599
00:55:26,845 --> 00:55:29,978
Uh, it's usually... usually
the funeral homes do that.
600
00:55:30,022 --> 00:55:32,241
And so would that be
Curtis Ottinger?
601
00:55:32,285 --> 00:55:34,418
I believe it was Curtis.
602
00:55:34,461 --> 00:55:38,204
When I was in high school,
I've always said I want
to be a funeral director
603
00:55:38,247 --> 00:55:40,032
and I've done that very thing.
604
00:55:41,512 --> 00:55:45,167
You know, I was there because
in the State of Tennessee
605
00:55:45,211 --> 00:55:48,997
you have to have a licensed
funeral director present
for a disinterment.
606
00:55:50,042 --> 00:55:53,872
[Jodi] Peggy Phillips gathered
with family and friends
in the pouring rain.
607
00:55:53,915 --> 00:55:58,311
Nothing would stop her today
from solving
a 35-year-old mystery.
608
00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:01,575
It was rainy and it was muddy
and it was cold.
609
00:56:01,619 --> 00:56:04,665
I mean, I even remember
the jacket I was wearing.
I remember that day.
610
00:56:06,972 --> 00:56:11,933
I had to put my, you know,
all the plastic on to keep dry.
611
00:56:15,546 --> 00:56:20,333
Anticipating what we would find,
if anything.
612
00:56:23,815 --> 00:56:25,469
It was a somber event.
613
00:56:28,297 --> 00:56:30,387
More people there
than I thought would be there.
614
00:56:34,826 --> 00:56:39,439
A caretaker hired to dig up
the baby's grave
first removed the headstone
615
00:56:39,483 --> 00:56:42,399
marked with the name
Darlene Elizabeth Burroughs.
616
00:56:42,442 --> 00:56:45,402
Peggy had won the battle
to have this grave dug up,
617
00:56:45,445 --> 00:56:50,407
but still fought an emotional
battle, one she'd win
if this grave was empty.
618
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:52,800
I had my backhoe and I had
to be real careful go in
619
00:56:52,844 --> 00:56:55,455
because you don't want
to tear up any other graves
or anything getting in there.
620
00:56:55,499 --> 00:57:00,329
Peggy watched as a caretaker
first used a machine
to dig up the grave.
621
00:57:00,373 --> 00:57:04,377
At about four feet deep,
he saw something
and switched to a shovel.
622
00:57:04,421 --> 00:57:09,164
I had my shovel and was trying
to be gentle and, you know,
as easy as I could
623
00:57:09,208 --> 00:57:14,169
to stay in where the grave was
and not bring anything else out,
you know.
624
00:57:14,213 --> 00:57:16,868
Embalming in children and babies
that... that young,
625
00:57:16,911 --> 00:57:21,829
they're not embalmed like...
like adults are embalmed.
626
00:57:21,873 --> 00:57:24,963
There's an entirely different
embalmment process.
627
00:57:25,006 --> 00:57:30,229
So you just... you don't know
the decomposition process
over the years,
628
00:57:30,272 --> 00:57:32,492
you... you just don't know what
you're going to find really.
629
00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:34,407
You just... you...
You never know.
630
00:57:37,889 --> 00:57:42,502
The first thing I do remember
was the interior of the casket.
631
00:57:42,546 --> 00:57:47,942
The material, the little pillow
of the casket and everything
else was disintegrated.
632
00:57:47,986 --> 00:57:50,292
It was just basically the wood.
633
00:57:50,336 --> 00:57:53,426
Everything was real dirty
and it was muddy,
water was pouring in the grave.
634
00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:58,126
Funeral home manager
Curtis Ottinger used a rubber
glove to sift through the mud.
635
00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:01,695
He set aside what appeared
to be evidence of an infant.
636
00:58:01,739 --> 00:58:08,789
That's when we started finding,
I think we found a little
armband, I believe,
637
00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:14,142
um, with...
with the name Burroughs
actually on the little band.
638
00:58:14,186 --> 00:58:19,539
And then we little by little
we... we did find a bone.
639
00:58:19,583 --> 00:58:23,891
My attorney called me away
from the grave
640
00:58:23,935 --> 00:58:30,376
and told me that they had felt
one or two pieces of something.
641
00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:34,554
They wasn't sure
whether it was bone or not.
642
00:58:34,598 --> 00:58:39,124
Remains were exhumed, they were
taken to the funeral home
and that's where it was opened.
643
00:58:39,167 --> 00:58:41,692
There wasn't anything done there
on the site.
644
00:58:41,735 --> 00:58:46,610
When we did unearth the remains,
we found just a few.
645
00:58:46,653 --> 00:58:49,961
But now that we're back,
we've sifted through,
we found quite a few bones.
646
00:58:50,004 --> 00:58:52,877
[Zach] Was Peggy ever shown
the remains at that point?
647
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,574
I don't know that she was.
648
00:58:54,618 --> 00:58:57,011
I don't recall.
I mean, it's been a long time.
649
00:58:57,055 --> 00:59:00,580
Was she ever brought into a room
to look at what was found?
650
00:59:00,624 --> 00:59:02,234
Yeah, I think she was.
651
00:59:02,277 --> 00:59:06,281
20 minutes after we got back
the funeral home,
652
00:59:06,325 --> 00:59:10,459
they said they had found
50 something bones.
653
00:59:16,814 --> 00:59:18,380
A newborn baby...
654
00:59:21,035 --> 00:59:23,821
the bones haven't even formed
real good.
655
00:59:23,864 --> 00:59:25,344
They're soft.
656
00:59:34,048 --> 00:59:41,099
Those bones would not have been
bones that many years
in... in... in the ground.
657
00:59:42,666 --> 00:59:45,146
They would have deteriorated.
658
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:47,148
They had found booties.
659
00:59:47,192 --> 00:59:49,324
Now here is the booties...
660
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:59,247
that they gave me that they were
supposed to be under the ground
for 33 years.
661
00:59:59,291 --> 01:00:00,988
There's not a hole in them.
662
01:00:05,297 --> 01:00:08,996
Do you think the booties could
have lasted in a good condition
as they were?
663
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,740
Yeah, it just must have been
the way the cloth come down
when it collapsed,
664
01:00:13,784 --> 01:00:17,831
eventually, the wood
and kind of pancake,
you know, like a pancake
665
01:00:17,875 --> 01:00:20,747
and protected it on the inside.
That's what I would assume.
666
01:00:20,791 --> 01:00:26,361
The dress, now if it'd been
in that grave for 32 years,
it would have been rotten.
667
01:00:26,405 --> 01:00:31,062
It looked like it what did
when you bought it.
668
01:00:31,105 --> 01:00:33,934
It came out of the ground
because I was standing there.
669
01:00:33,978 --> 01:00:36,458
The dress that came out of
the ground, it had design on it.
670
01:00:36,502 --> 01:00:39,418
It's been over 20 years
but it had design on it.
671
01:00:39,461 --> 01:00:41,246
What color was it?
672
01:00:41,289 --> 01:00:44,597
I want to say it had green in it
but it was nylon dress for sure.
673
01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:48,296
And my mother went with
Peggy's mother to buy the dress.
674
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:49,689
Did your mom say
it was a white dress?
675
01:00:49,733 --> 01:00:51,865
Yeah, definitely,
without a doubt.
676
01:00:51,909 --> 01:00:56,565
And my mother said, "No way
the dress had lace on it.
It was white."
677
01:00:56,609 --> 01:00:59,090
And that's not the dress.
678
01:00:59,133 --> 01:01:02,833
[Zach] They found this bracelet
that said Burroughs on it in.
679
01:01:02,876 --> 01:01:04,748
Do you have any idea?
What do you think?
680
01:01:04,791 --> 01:01:09,187
Uh, it was, uh, it was part of
it. She showed that to me too.
681
01:01:11,842 --> 01:01:15,323
[Peggy] The pink is still
on the bead.
682
01:01:15,367 --> 01:01:21,721
If they had found
one bead one place,
another bead another place,
683
01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:26,900
but it to be together
and you can read the letters
684
01:01:26,944 --> 01:01:33,994
after being under the ground
for about 33 years,
I just can't believe that.
685
01:01:34,908 --> 01:01:38,651
There's no way all that stuff
would have been in there
that many years.
686
01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:41,480
It's just almost impossible.
687
01:01:42,350 --> 01:01:49,314
To switch and place, you know,
another child's remains
in that box and bury it,
688
01:01:49,357 --> 01:01:50,881
I don't know
how that would have happened.
689
01:01:50,924 --> 01:01:53,535
That would have been
a criminal act.
690
01:01:53,579 --> 01:01:58,758
[Zach] What would it take from
your perspective to kind of do a
bait-and-switch with a skeleton
691
01:01:58,802 --> 01:02:01,979
on a...
on a disinterment like that?
692
01:02:02,022 --> 01:02:03,023
Wow.
693
01:02:04,546 --> 01:02:08,333
No, that's... that's a...
I don't know, that's a...
694
01:02:08,376 --> 01:02:12,772
When I saw that there were
remains, it kind of suggested
to me that,
695
01:02:12,816 --> 01:02:17,255
well, maybe it didn't go down
as Miss Phillips thought it did.
696
01:02:17,298 --> 01:02:19,779
You know,
that would be so difficult.
697
01:02:19,823 --> 01:02:21,476
I don't know
how that could have happened.
698
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,696
I really don't know
how that could have happened.
699
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:26,394
It's too large a dress,
it's the wrong color.
700
01:02:26,438 --> 01:02:28,222
It's just... it's not her baby.
701
01:02:32,009 --> 01:02:36,970
I could not believe that they
had found all them bones
702
01:02:37,014 --> 01:02:43,760
because how could it went
from two pieces of something
703
01:02:43,803 --> 01:02:46,197
to 50 bones?
704
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,028
I rarely will discuss anything
about a case with the news
705
01:02:51,071 --> 01:02:54,335
um, but I don't... I don't
recall saying anything to them.
706
01:02:54,379 --> 01:02:58,339
And if I did, the only thing
I would have given them
were facts and not opinions.
707
01:02:58,383 --> 01:03:03,083
I think that she had adopted
what she thought, you know,
was the truth and pursued that
708
01:03:03,127 --> 01:03:05,390
and that's not
what's happened here today.
709
01:03:05,433 --> 01:03:08,088
Today's discovery
is not what Peggy expected.
710
01:03:08,132 --> 01:03:11,004
Right now she just wants to stay home, sort through all this
711
01:03:11,048 --> 01:03:13,267
because she still believes
her daughter is alive.
712
01:03:13,311 --> 01:03:15,617
Still a lot of unanswered
questions to this, Jodi.
713
01:03:15,661 --> 01:03:17,010
You bet.
We'll follow it to the end.
714
01:03:17,054 --> 01:03:19,056
Okay, keep us updated.
Thank you.
715
01:03:19,099 --> 01:03:21,493
Peggy wanted me to keep
following on this story
716
01:03:21,536 --> 01:03:24,017
and keep, keep digging,
if you will,
717
01:03:24,061 --> 01:03:26,411
like where's her daughter
'cause she believed those
weren't her daughter's bones.
718
01:03:26,454 --> 01:03:32,112
The man that dug the grave
called me and we talked.
719
01:03:32,156 --> 01:03:37,857
He said he definitely
did not see no bracelet,
720
01:03:37,901 --> 01:03:39,816
he didn't see no booties.
721
01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:45,169
He said I did not bring
that stuff up.
722
01:03:45,212 --> 01:03:50,130
I don't remember ever saying
that, uh, you know,
because I... I was with Curtis
723
01:03:50,174 --> 01:03:53,568
and the funeral director
and I actually saw,
724
01:03:53,612 --> 01:03:58,791
you know, the remains coming up
out of the ground for myself,
you know.
725
01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:02,621
So I... I never did call Peggy,
you know.
726
01:04:04,666 --> 01:04:07,191
[Zach] Do you have any idea
why she would say that?
727
01:04:07,234 --> 01:04:09,280
Maybe there was somebody else
named Steve?
728
01:04:09,323 --> 01:04:12,326
There was a lot of people
involved. I don't know.
729
01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:17,592
[Zach] Is it possible that
somebody could have seen
the news story on TV
730
01:04:17,636 --> 01:04:21,683
and then called you pretending
to be Steve as kind of a prank?
731
01:04:21,727 --> 01:04:23,033
Yes.
732
01:04:23,076 --> 01:04:26,514
The other time
when it was in the paper
733
01:04:26,558 --> 01:04:30,823
and on the TV,
734
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:33,217
received them constantly.
735
01:04:34,566 --> 01:04:40,093
We would expect more remains
had the excavation been done
736
01:04:40,137 --> 01:04:42,791
using controlled
archaeological techniques.
737
01:04:42,835 --> 01:04:46,970
[Jodi] Peggy has hired forensic
anthropologist Tom Botkin.
738
01:04:47,013 --> 01:04:50,756
He will put the bones back
together to see if they belong
to an infant.
739
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:54,760
The first thing that I will do
is determine whether they're
human or non-human.
740
01:04:54,803 --> 01:05:01,201
At the time I was a forensic
anthropologist for the County
Medical Examiner's Office.
741
01:05:01,245 --> 01:05:06,685
The analysis showed
that the remains were consistent
742
01:05:06,728 --> 01:05:09,035
with a full-term infant.
743
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:13,257
I remember that they were going
to have them tested or checked
or something like that.
744
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:18,436
And the story that I got back
was that they were dog bones,
which... Wow.
745
01:05:18,479 --> 01:05:19,828
Probably came from Peggy
you're saying?
746
01:05:19,872 --> 01:05:22,440
Yeah.
Oh, I'm sure it came from Peggy.
747
01:05:22,483 --> 01:05:26,357
Like I think that I... I don't
think that... I think... I don't
think I checked the report.
748
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,968
I never remember.
I would never...
749
01:05:29,012 --> 01:05:32,885
I would remember if we checked
a report to see what the bones
were and it said dog bone.
750
01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:34,713
-I think it all came from Peggy.
-Okay.
751
01:05:34,756 --> 01:05:38,804
It never dawned on me to stop
and think, "Dog bones?"
752
01:05:38,847 --> 01:05:43,156
Like, okay, so there was
a dead dog at the time to take
the bones to put him in a...
753
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,857
Like that never, never made me
stop to think like,
"Does this make sense?"
754
01:05:48,901 --> 01:05:51,382
Because it was such
a fascinating story, right.
755
01:05:51,425 --> 01:05:56,126
Like, it had everybody thinking
like, "Oh, my gosh, like,
I can't believe this story."
756
01:05:56,169 --> 01:06:00,826
The extent they went to cover up
this... this child's life
and this baby,
757
01:06:00,869 --> 01:06:04,395
this, you know, baby
that was born in such a...
758
01:06:04,438 --> 01:06:06,658
in a... in a way
that was so shameful
759
01:06:06,701 --> 01:06:10,227
that this is the level and the
extent that people went through.
760
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:14,492
You know, there's another piece
to this
besides the skeletal analysis
761
01:06:14,535 --> 01:06:20,019
and that was the medical records
from Memorial Hospital
762
01:06:20,063 --> 01:06:21,847
that I was given,
763
01:06:21,890 --> 01:06:26,765
uh, not only about the birth
records, the OB/GYN records,
764
01:06:26,808 --> 01:06:31,988
but the post-mortem autopsy
that the hospital performed.
765
01:06:34,077 --> 01:06:38,864
[Zach] Tom sent me Peggy's birth records, 32 pages in all.
766
01:06:38,907 --> 01:06:44,087
It's a minute-by-minute record
of Darlene's failing health
over the course of two days.
767
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:47,786
Included was the seven-page
autopsy report
768
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:51,790
whose final diagnosis states
that the child died of anemia
769
01:06:51,833 --> 01:06:54,358
or a lack of oxygenated blood.
770
01:06:54,401 --> 01:06:58,971
Specifically, the cause of death was an interatriel
septal defect,
771
01:06:59,015 --> 01:07:00,538
a hole in the baby's heart.
772
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:05,543
[Zach] There is an autopsy
report, right?
773
01:07:05,586 --> 01:07:06,631
[Peggy] Yeah.
774
01:07:08,676 --> 01:07:11,462
[Zach] And does the... what does
the autopsy report say
is the cause of death?
775
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:16,293
A hole in the heart.
776
01:07:16,336 --> 01:07:21,733
Is it difficult when you look
at these records in their detail
777
01:07:21,776 --> 01:07:24,127
to reconcile that?
778
01:07:25,215 --> 01:07:31,395
Yeah, I got them 10 years
before the grave was exhumed.
779
01:07:31,438 --> 01:07:37,531
And after I read them, I put...
put it up again for a while.
780
01:07:37,575 --> 01:07:40,447
When you say you read these
and then you put them up,
781
01:07:40,491 --> 01:07:44,451
does that mean initially when
you saw them you thought
that they were?
782
01:07:45,583 --> 01:07:47,889
-Accurate.
-You thought
they were convincing?
783
01:07:51,415 --> 01:07:54,635
I was going to have DNA done
on the bones.
784
01:07:54,679 --> 01:08:01,468
It would only be a 10 percent
chance that they would be able
to find the DNA.
785
01:08:01,512 --> 01:08:05,255
If the remains in the grave
don't match what we expect,
786
01:08:05,298 --> 01:08:10,521
then she doesn't need to pay
a lot of money for DNA testing.
787
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:18,442
I never was able to get the
money again to get the DNA done.
788
01:08:22,402 --> 01:08:26,885
And I just... I felt like I was
789
01:08:26,928 --> 01:08:32,195
at the right process that I'd
be able to do anything...
790
01:08:38,201 --> 01:08:43,510
until I got the letter from you.
791
01:10:35,013 --> 01:10:36,536
-[Peggy Phillips] Hi.
-[Barbie] Hi there.
792
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:38,625
My name's Barbie.
793
01:10:38,669 --> 01:10:41,324
-Hi Barbie. I'm Peggy.
-It's good to meet you.
794
01:10:41,367 --> 01:10:44,414
-I'm here to do your
DNA swap today.
-Okay.
795
01:10:44,457 --> 01:10:46,067
[line ringing]
796
01:11:01,822 --> 01:11:03,433
-That is it.
-All right.
797
01:11:03,476 --> 01:11:04,738
Thank you, Ma'am.
798
01:11:21,364 --> 01:11:25,759
[Zach] Mitochondrial DNA is inherited by both women and men
799
01:11:25,803 --> 01:11:30,677
but it's passed from
one generation to the next
by women only.
800
01:11:30,721 --> 01:11:35,508
It branches out to form
what is known as
a family's maternal line.
801
01:11:36,379 --> 01:11:43,124
A mitochondrial DNA test can
determine if a mother and her
child, like Peggy and Darlene,
802
01:11:43,168 --> 01:11:46,214
belong to the same
maternal line.
803
01:11:50,393 --> 01:11:57,356
In light of the fact that we're
supposed to get the results back
in the next couple of days,
804
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,447
have you thought about
when you want to look at them?
805
01:12:05,582 --> 01:12:07,975
Yes, I thought about it.
806
01:12:10,587 --> 01:12:15,853
And I think I would like to look
at them...
807
01:12:18,508 --> 01:12:21,641
right, maybe Friday
or Saturday...
808
01:12:25,515 --> 01:12:29,823
um, because of it being
a New Year.
809
01:12:33,174 --> 01:12:35,263
-[Zach] You ready?
-Mm-hmm.
810
01:12:35,307 --> 01:12:41,748
Okay. So, you know, we weren't
able to get nuclear DNA
from the bones.
811
01:12:41,792 --> 01:12:44,664
-We were able to get
mitochondrial DNA, okay?
-Okay.
812
01:12:44,708 --> 01:12:47,580
We talked kind of about that
in great detail.
813
01:12:47,624 --> 01:12:53,673
So, um, the mitochondrial DNA
from you and the remains
814
01:12:53,717 --> 01:12:54,761
did match.
815
01:12:56,067 --> 01:12:58,765
Okay? And what that means
816
01:12:58,809 --> 01:13:06,033
is that, uh, there's I think
about a 96.7
or 96.8 percent chance
817
01:13:06,077 --> 01:13:09,428
that that the results
are accurate.
818
01:13:10,995 --> 01:13:12,953
Does that...
Do you understand that?
819
01:13:12,997 --> 01:13:15,042
-Yes.
-Okay.
820
01:13:42,461 --> 01:13:43,549
You okay?
821
01:13:45,116 --> 01:13:46,639
[grunts]
822
01:13:50,817 --> 01:13:51,862
Okay.
823
01:14:08,531 --> 01:14:12,709
That means that my baby is dead.
824
01:14:12,752 --> 01:14:13,797
Mm-hmm.
825
01:14:15,015 --> 01:14:19,498
"Piggy Phillips
for any maternal relative
826
01:14:19,542 --> 01:14:24,808
is not excluded as the mother
of the remains."
827
01:14:27,071 --> 01:14:33,033
It... it means that, um, they
can't exclude you as the mother.
828
01:14:33,077 --> 01:14:36,297
So they can...
So to put it in another way,
829
01:14:36,341 --> 01:14:39,387
the test shows that you are
included in the mother
830
01:14:39,431 --> 01:14:43,304
in somebody that shares the
same sequence as the remains.
831
01:14:58,102 --> 01:14:59,886
[Jimmy Smith] Seems legit.
832
01:14:59,930 --> 01:15:01,540
-I mean, it seems good
from reading the report.
-Yeah.
833
01:15:05,849 --> 01:15:11,245
[Zach] Coming into this moment,
were you suspecting
this outcome?
834
01:15:12,464 --> 01:15:14,771
Yeah.
835
01:15:14,814 --> 01:15:21,168
I know it's hard for y'all
to imagine, but it feels like
it just happened.
836
01:15:21,212 --> 01:15:25,085
Just so many unanswered
questions still.
837
01:15:29,829 --> 01:15:32,615
That... that concludes it.
838
01:15:35,182 --> 01:15:39,970
It's the beginning
of the... of the end.
839
01:15:42,799 --> 01:15:45,845
But yet,
there'll never be an ending.
840
01:15:46,890 --> 01:15:48,369
Not for your child.
841
01:15:56,595 --> 01:15:59,293
I think I'm watching people
myself.
842
01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:08,912
-[Jimmy] This still leaves a lot
of questions.
-[Zach] What did you say?
843
01:16:10,043 --> 01:16:11,175
Oh, yeah.
844
01:16:18,225 --> 01:16:22,055
[Zach] We did a mitochondrial
DNA test with the remains
845
01:16:22,099 --> 01:16:26,059
and it's about 97 percent chance
that that was her baby.
846
01:16:29,062 --> 01:16:31,848
Could that baby have been her
mother's miscarried baby or...
847
01:16:33,371 --> 01:16:35,242
Her mother's miscarried baby?
848
01:16:36,243 --> 01:16:39,029
-Was her mother...
-Her mother had a few...
849
01:16:39,072 --> 01:16:40,857
I think it was her mother.
850
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:44,861
Her mother or her aunt had a few
babies buried in the same area,
851
01:16:44,904 --> 01:16:49,953
that Peggy's baby's grave
was unmarked,
852
01:16:49,996 --> 01:16:54,174
so that Peggy's baby actually
could be beside this baby.
853
01:16:54,218 --> 01:16:56,002
Huh.
854
01:16:56,046 --> 01:17:02,661
This test we did showed
a maternal match of 97 percent.
855
01:17:02,705 --> 01:17:03,967
What do you make of that?
856
01:17:05,142 --> 01:17:08,101
I just... I... I still think
that Suzanne was...
857
01:17:10,147 --> 01:17:12,410
was her daughter
and my husband's daughter.
858
01:17:14,064 --> 01:17:15,108
I mean...
859
01:17:17,284 --> 01:17:19,504
to look at everything
the way it...
860
01:17:21,767 --> 01:17:23,987
I don't know when I saw her
the way she...
861
01:17:24,030 --> 01:17:29,557
when she come in the door,
it... it just...
I knew that it was her.
862
01:17:30,907 --> 01:17:33,649
I don't know if it was...
what... what it was
863
01:17:33,692 --> 01:17:37,043
but it just... that's the way
I've always felt.
864
01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:44,747
[Zach] Do you think that the way
you feel necessarily means
that that's the truth?
865
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:49,447
Well, no, you know, that you can
feel a lot different things
and it not be the truth.
866
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:53,277
But as far as I am concerned...
867
01:17:55,671 --> 01:17:57,368
it's truth to me right now.
868
01:18:00,371 --> 01:18:02,721
This is Melanie take one.
869
01:18:02,765 --> 01:18:04,244
-You see this?
-Yes.
870
01:18:06,377 --> 01:18:07,421
-Did you get that?
-[woman 6] Yes.
871
01:18:07,465 --> 01:18:09,467
That was Melanie take one.
872
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:13,210
You're my sister.
You're a therapist.
You have a newborn.
873
01:18:14,211 --> 01:18:21,174
So I was hoping you'd be willing
to provide some
therapeutic context
874
01:18:21,218 --> 01:18:23,089
to Peggy's story.
875
01:18:24,134 --> 01:18:25,831
[Melanie] Okay.
876
01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:29,661
As human beings we're animals,
we want to avoid pain.
877
01:18:29,705 --> 01:18:33,534
Anything that's painful, we're
going to find avenues around it.
878
01:18:33,578 --> 01:18:38,626
We construct exactly what we...
what we want in terms of our
narrative in any given moment.
879
01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:40,498
We take snapshots.
880
01:18:40,541 --> 01:18:44,067
We take that information very
quickly and put it into a story
881
01:18:44,110 --> 01:18:50,551
that makes sense to us in order
to us to avoid anything further
painful from happening.
882
01:18:50,595 --> 01:18:53,119
-You know,
maybe on some level...
-Yeah.
883
01:18:53,163 --> 01:18:56,209
...unconsciously she knew
there was a loss.
There is a loss.
884
01:18:56,253 --> 01:19:01,301
Whether the baby was, um, dead
or whether the baby was taken,
it's a loss.
885
01:19:01,345 --> 01:19:05,958
I mean, I can't imagine,
you know, if somebody
just, like, took my baby
886
01:19:06,002 --> 01:19:09,701
right after you carried it
and went through labor.
887
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:14,793
I mean, just the pain of that,
right, of... that's your baby.
888
01:19:14,837 --> 01:19:19,189
She maybe lived her life not
wanting to accept
889
01:19:19,232 --> 01:19:25,717
and not wanting to grieve the
pain of that because that was
going to overtake her.
890
01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:30,983
If in truth those bones are,
you know, DNA connects her
to... to Peggy,
891
01:19:31,027 --> 01:19:33,899
the... the bones connected
to Peggy,
892
01:19:33,943 --> 01:19:37,903
I mean, how tragic, right,
how tragic
893
01:19:37,947 --> 01:19:42,386
and how, um, how sick, like,
these people played with her.
894
01:19:43,256 --> 01:19:47,391
Like, as a journalist, you know,
I've covered a lot of horrible,
horrible stuff,
895
01:19:47,434 --> 01:19:53,571
shootings and car accidents
and fires and murders and, like,
all this horrible ugly stuff,
896
01:19:53,614 --> 01:19:55,138
and that leaves an impact.
897
01:19:55,181 --> 01:19:57,531
And Peggy's story
definitely left an impact.
898
01:19:57,575 --> 01:20:00,926
We created this little program,
take your unwanted newborn
to an area hospital,
899
01:20:00,970 --> 01:20:04,538
hand it to somebody, walk away,
no questions asked.
900
01:20:04,582 --> 01:20:07,846
As long as that baby's not
harmed, there's no charges,
there's no crime.
901
01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:09,674
The DA's not going
to press charges.
902
01:20:09,717 --> 01:20:12,764
And ever since then I have been
on a mission,
903
01:20:12,808 --> 01:20:17,334
you know, this... this theme
of these babies and promoting
the laws across the country.
904
01:20:17,377 --> 01:20:20,859
Every state now has a law.
Over 4,000 babies
have been saved.
905
01:20:20,903 --> 01:20:24,863
If... if there's anybody
to thank for all of this,
it's someone like Peggy.
906
01:20:30,695 --> 01:20:36,135
I'll coordinate getting,
uh, Darlene back to you,
907
01:20:36,179 --> 01:20:38,746
um, and get it all set up.
908
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:40,487
So I'll help you with all that.
909
01:20:43,926 --> 01:20:49,888
That gravesite is a place that
you go back to and you can
remember your loved one.
910
01:20:49,932 --> 01:20:53,892
But before you do that,
you have to bury them.
911
01:20:53,936 --> 01:20:57,113
That is part of life.
912
01:20:57,156 --> 01:21:00,420
When you're born, you die
and you have to be placed back
in the ground.
913
01:21:00,464 --> 01:21:03,423
And for Peggy, that's what
she's going to need to do.
914
01:21:03,467 --> 01:21:08,994
She's going to have to put
that sweet little girl back
in the ground, have a service,
915
01:21:09,038 --> 01:21:12,693
and bury her and walk away
and begin that healing.
916
01:21:13,651 --> 01:21:18,917
When she does that, I promise
that's when that healing
will start in her heart.
917
01:21:39,459 --> 01:21:40,896
[knocking]
918
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:44,856
Hey.
919
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:46,553
[laughs]
920
01:21:46,597 --> 01:21:47,641
-Hi.
-Hi.
921
01:21:47,685 --> 01:21:49,817
How are you doing?
922
01:21:49,861 --> 01:21:53,343
We're heading
to Hensley Cemetery
923
01:21:53,386 --> 01:21:57,956
where my daughter was buried.
924
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,612
She'll be reburied tomorrow.
925
01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:07,487
It's really given up
that she's out here somewhere.
926
01:22:07,531 --> 01:22:11,317
She's gone, that I don't
have a daughter.
927
01:22:11,361 --> 01:22:14,930
Do you remember...
Do they have to put
the headstone back over here
928
01:22:14,973 --> 01:22:16,583
or was that about where it was?
929
01:22:19,978 --> 01:22:23,677
I don't think it was
near that tree.
930
01:22:23,721 --> 01:22:25,679
This doesn't look familiar
though, does it?
931
01:22:29,205 --> 01:22:30,989
Uh-uh. No.
932
01:22:31,033 --> 01:22:36,690
And see stones like that a lot
of them was my aunt's children.
933
01:22:37,822 --> 01:22:43,871
She had about six children
and they couldn't afford...
934
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:51,967
markers, so they would just make
something like that and put up.
935
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:53,533
[inaudible].
936
01:22:57,450 --> 01:23:00,018
Did any of them die young?
937
01:23:00,062 --> 01:23:03,543
They died, a lot of them
when they were babies.
938
01:23:03,587 --> 01:23:05,806
So you're saying these stones...
939
01:23:06,894 --> 01:23:09,593
Are my aunt's children.
940
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:15,033
And your aunt on your mom's
side or your dad's side?
941
01:23:15,077 --> 01:23:16,469
My mother's.
942
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:22,475
You know,
I know what you're thinking...
943
01:23:24,347 --> 01:23:26,827
and if they had done that...
944
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,006
the DNA would have matched.
945
01:23:35,575 --> 01:23:41,886
I didn't think about it until
today and I got the pictures
now,
946
01:23:41,929 --> 01:23:45,368
so we would be sure
to get the right spot.
947
01:23:50,025 --> 01:23:50,982
And...
948
01:23:54,594 --> 01:24:01,253
it looked like
where he was down digging,
949
01:24:01,297 --> 01:24:03,429
like there was one of those...
950
01:24:05,649 --> 01:24:07,694
stones was down there.
951
01:24:13,831 --> 01:24:20,272
It could be that the bones
washed down that hill.
952
01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:30,021
-I'll show you when we get back.
-Okay.
953
01:24:31,936 --> 01:24:35,983
[Zach] So what... are we saying
that, like, these things
represent children?
954
01:24:36,027 --> 01:24:38,508
These are all infants.
955
01:24:38,551 --> 01:24:43,165
-They only lived,
let's say she had twins...
-Okay.
956
01:24:43,208 --> 01:24:46,124
...and one died,
957
01:24:46,168 --> 01:24:49,432
I'd stay in bed with her,
I'd stay smothered.
958
01:24:49,475 --> 01:24:52,609
-Okay, her... her name is what?
-Alice.
959
01:24:52,652 --> 01:24:56,091
-Alice. And tell me
the last name again?
-Whalen.
960
01:24:56,134 --> 01:24:59,572
-And how is she related
to you? Just so...
-She was my aunt.
961
01:24:59,616 --> 01:25:01,183
Do you remember any
of the kids' names?
962
01:25:01,226 --> 01:25:04,708
The twins was Paul and Pauline.
963
01:25:05,578 --> 01:25:08,668
They died separately,
maybe six months...
964
01:25:08,712 --> 01:25:09,756
-Apart?
-...apart.
965
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:10,844
As babies?
966
01:25:11,715 --> 01:25:12,759
Yeah.
967
01:25:14,152 --> 01:25:15,849
Were you... were you alive
when they were alive?
968
01:25:15,893 --> 01:25:16,937
No.
969
01:25:19,636 --> 01:25:22,682
It just keeps getting
deeper and deeper, doesn't it?
970
01:25:22,726 --> 01:25:23,770
It does.
971
01:25:42,789 --> 01:25:43,834
Hi.
972
01:25:48,447 --> 01:25:49,492
How are you doing?
973
01:25:49,535 --> 01:25:52,886
-[laughs] Hi.
-Hi.
974
01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:54,279
[Suzanne]
You... you did go [inaudible].
975
01:25:54,323 --> 01:25:55,498
Yeah, I lived there about--
976
01:25:55,541 --> 01:25:57,108
First let me say I'm sorry here.
977
01:25:59,197 --> 01:26:02,200
I'm sorry for all that bullshit
I've done because that was
all it was bullshit.
978
01:26:02,244 --> 01:26:07,771
But, you know, I did that
because I think we've been
adopted children,
979
01:26:07,814 --> 01:26:12,036
we have to do something to see
if we have unconditional.
980
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:16,214
And you pass the test
with flying colors but still yet
that was wrong.
981
01:26:16,258 --> 01:26:19,130
I was on crack. You know, I kind
of forewarned you but, you know.
982
01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:20,610
-Yeah.
-But it was, you know...
983
01:26:20,653 --> 01:26:24,701
But I didn't know.
I really I was...
984
01:26:24,744 --> 01:26:29,009
All that I did,
I did you guys wrong.
985
01:26:29,053 --> 01:26:34,145
I opened the adoption records
and all that
and I was born in 1960.
986
01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:36,147
-You were?
-Yes, I was.
987
01:26:36,191 --> 01:26:38,802
-You weren't born in '62 then?
-No.
988
01:26:40,369 --> 01:26:41,413
No.
989
01:26:43,241 --> 01:26:45,330
No wonder your appearance was...
990
01:26:45,374 --> 01:26:48,768
Well, it's no wonder my feet
were so big in...
in fourth grade.
991
01:26:48,812 --> 01:26:51,249
No wonder I got boobs
in fourth grade
992
01:26:51,293 --> 01:26:54,034
because I wasn't, you know,
I was two years old enough then.
993
01:26:54,078 --> 01:26:58,604
They... she... they looked at me
so funny when I had your
birth certificate.
994
01:26:58,648 --> 01:27:00,215
Mm-hmm.
995
01:27:00,258 --> 01:27:03,174
Well, I still got your
picture up over there.
996
01:27:03,218 --> 01:27:05,916
-Oh, you do?
-Mm-hmm.
997
01:27:05,959 --> 01:27:08,484
[inaudible] how many
of those [inaudible].
998
01:27:08,527 --> 01:27:10,660
The one that you wrote,
"Hi, Mom."
999
01:27:10,703 --> 01:27:11,922
Oh, right, yeah.
1000
01:27:11,965 --> 01:27:13,663
-It's a prison picture.
-Mm-hmm.
1001
01:27:14,838 --> 01:27:16,448
Oh, Lord, mercy.
1002
01:27:17,667 --> 01:27:18,972
Well, I was pretty, wasn't I?
1003
01:27:20,409 --> 01:27:22,933
Yes, it's yours.
1004
01:27:22,976 --> 01:27:27,111
Now I have pictures
and they're all on my phone
1005
01:27:27,154 --> 01:27:30,506
and I don't have them like that
I can hold them in my hand
like they used to, so...
1006
01:27:35,337 --> 01:27:37,643
And I'm a ham kind of girl.
She is too.
1007
01:27:38,775 --> 01:27:40,907
We like ham sandwiches
and mayonnaise, don't we?
1008
01:27:40,951 --> 01:27:42,039
Mm-hmm.
1009
01:27:43,693 --> 01:27:46,348
-I love you, darling.
-I love you too.
1010
01:27:46,391 --> 01:27:48,959
And now you know
I'm not fussing at you.
1011
01:27:49,002 --> 01:27:51,222
-I just want you--
-I know you're not fussing
at me.
1012
01:27:51,266 --> 01:27:52,832
I just want you to do...
1013
01:27:52,876 --> 01:27:54,660
-I know you don't.
-...what's good for you.
1014
01:27:54,704 --> 01:27:56,009
I... I try to.
1015
01:27:56,053 --> 01:27:58,838
We took the bones back.
1016
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:02,015
Do you think that's your baby?
1017
01:28:02,059 --> 01:28:04,801
Do you think that's her?
Or do you still think it's me?
1018
01:28:04,844 --> 01:28:06,890
Which one?
I'm... I'm just curious.
1019
01:28:08,587 --> 01:28:13,288
I thought that they were
my bones.
1020
01:28:14,419 --> 01:28:17,466
I've got a question
about them again now.
1021
01:28:17,509 --> 01:28:19,903
Oh, oh, watch out people,
she's on it.
1022
01:28:22,166 --> 01:28:24,081
But I'm not.
1023
01:28:24,124 --> 01:28:25,996
-It's okay.
-I don't think--
1024
01:28:26,039 --> 01:28:29,826
I believe... I believe really in
my heart that, you know,
she died
1025
01:28:29,869 --> 01:28:33,351
and... and they did...
they... they did tell the truth
1026
01:28:33,395 --> 01:28:35,353
but there was something
that wasn't...
1027
01:28:35,397 --> 01:28:38,748
-There was something
wasn't right about it.
-This is true.
1028
01:28:38,791 --> 01:28:41,185
I think Darlene did die.
1029
01:28:41,228 --> 01:28:45,494
Yeah. And, you know, she's in
heaven with God and it's okay.
1030
01:28:45,537 --> 01:28:48,845
Just let it be, okay, so you'll
have that peace in your heart,
you know what I'm saying?
1031
01:28:54,154 --> 01:28:55,199
Yeah.
1032
01:28:56,243 --> 01:28:57,723
You want the phone number?
1033
01:28:57,767 --> 01:29:00,073
Do you want me to have
your phone number?
1034
01:29:00,117 --> 01:29:02,641
'Cause I'm not far. I mean,
I might have to ride my bicycle.
1035
01:29:02,685 --> 01:29:04,861
But I'm refused
to get my driver's license.
1036
01:29:06,515 --> 01:29:09,082
[Zach Marion] Before the
funeral tomorrow,
1037
01:29:09,126 --> 01:29:12,172
there are a couple things
I want to talk through with you.
1038
01:29:13,609 --> 01:29:18,309
The first thing is that I talked
to Curtis about the markers
1039
01:29:18,353 --> 01:29:20,355
that might represent
buried children.
1040
01:29:21,443 --> 01:29:25,360
And he said those
are actually footstones,
they mark the foot of a grave.
1041
01:29:26,578 --> 01:29:29,320
So then I drove back out
to the cemetery
1042
01:29:29,364 --> 01:29:33,933
and I look down the line of the
markers near Darlene's grave.
1043
01:29:33,977 --> 01:29:37,284
Each marker
has a corresponding headstone.
1044
01:29:38,155 --> 01:29:39,983
Does that make sense?
1045
01:29:40,026 --> 01:29:42,377
-Yes.
-Okay.
1046
01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:47,686
Also, I found the death
certificates for your cousins
Paul and Pauline Whalen.
1047
01:29:47,730 --> 01:29:50,167
They both died in 1925.
1048
01:29:50,210 --> 01:29:54,127
Pauline was 16 days old
and Paul was one-day-old.
1049
01:29:54,171 --> 01:29:58,175
Paul's grave is closest
to Darlene's grave.
1050
01:29:58,218 --> 01:30:02,092
And when I say closest,
they're a good 15 feet apart.
1051
01:30:03,136 --> 01:30:07,402
And in that 15 feet
are the graves of your aunt
and your uncle.
1052
01:30:08,490 --> 01:30:12,711
Your aunt is buried kind of
kitty-corner to Darlene
1053
01:30:12,755 --> 01:30:15,801
and they are part of
the same maternal line.
1054
01:30:15,845 --> 01:30:22,765
But according to your aunt's
death certificate, she died
in 1988 at the age of 96.
1055
01:30:22,808 --> 01:30:24,462
So those bones...
1056
01:30:24,506 --> 01:30:27,552
Those bones
would have been much older.
1057
01:30:27,596 --> 01:30:28,640
Yeah.
1058
01:30:29,989 --> 01:30:32,557
So it was just
a passing thought.
1059
01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:41,871
Let's talk about why your mom
would have said what she said
when she passed.
1060
01:30:45,352 --> 01:30:48,486
The only other theory
I could come up with
1061
01:30:48,530 --> 01:30:53,317
is my mother was always afraid
1062
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:57,887
that I would put her
in a nursing home.
1063
01:31:00,759 --> 01:31:02,239
So I don't know.
1064
01:31:05,198 --> 01:31:08,245
I don't know if her thinking was
that...
1065
01:31:10,943 --> 01:31:17,733
she knew that I wanted to find
my daughter so bad
1066
01:31:17,776 --> 01:31:24,087
that she thought
that if she told me that,
that I'd take her home.
1067
01:31:26,785 --> 01:31:31,660
Is it conceivable to think
that that was like
a false confession then
1068
01:31:31,703 --> 01:31:34,663
and she was saying that
so that she wouldn't be moved?
1069
01:31:34,706 --> 01:31:37,927
It could have been
a false confession.
1070
01:31:55,335 --> 01:31:56,511
Hey, Peggy, it's Zach.
1071
01:31:59,514 --> 01:32:01,733
Hey, I thought I'd just call
and check in on you.
1072
01:32:16,226 --> 01:32:17,183
Yeah.
1073
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:22,885
Sure.
1074
01:32:28,281 --> 01:32:29,326
Yeah.
1075
01:32:37,943 --> 01:32:40,206
Yeah. It's a lot to process.
1076
01:33:22,509 --> 01:33:28,472
♪ Amazing
1077
01:33:28,515 --> 01:33:31,170
♪ Grace
1078
01:33:32,084 --> 01:33:36,872
♪ How sweet
1079
01:33:36,915 --> 01:33:40,963
♪ The sound
1080
01:33:41,964 --> 01:33:46,533
♪ That saved
1081
01:33:46,577 --> 01:33:51,669
♪ A wretch
1082
01:33:51,713 --> 01:33:53,671
♪ Like
1083
01:33:53,715 --> 01:34:00,765
♪ Me
1084
01:34:00,809 --> 01:34:07,685
♪ I once was lost
1085
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:14,736
♪ But now I am found
1086
01:34:16,128 --> 01:34:19,741
♪ Was blind
1087
01:34:19,784 --> 01:34:24,876
♪ But now
1088
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:31,970
♪ I see
1089
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:38,890
Let's pray.
1090
01:34:38,934 --> 01:34:43,286
Lord God, please give comfort to
mom in this time when...
1091
01:34:46,245 --> 01:34:49,422
even though it's been years
this is going to be
extremely difficult.
1092
01:34:50,685 --> 01:34:54,776
We know that Darlene's in heaven
with You
1093
01:34:54,819 --> 01:35:00,303
and that one day we're all going
to get to see her again
1094
01:35:00,346 --> 01:35:04,568
and help us to be strong
and stay on that path
1095
01:35:04,611 --> 01:35:06,962
so that one day
we may be able to do that.
1096
01:35:07,919 --> 01:35:09,529
In Jesus' name I pray.
1097
01:35:09,573 --> 01:35:10,922
-Amen.
-Amen.
1098
01:35:29,811 --> 01:35:34,729
[Peggy] Sometimes down here you
don't always get the answers.
1099
01:35:37,993 --> 01:35:42,475
The puzzle pieces to all of it.
1100
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:48,481
But I never gave up.
1101
01:35:53,182 --> 01:35:59,623
And I was able to get the puzzle to fit the right way
1102
01:35:59,666 --> 01:36:00,711
in my mind.
1103
01:36:02,887 --> 01:36:07,936
And I hope
what I've went through with it
1104
01:36:07,979 --> 01:36:10,460
for it to be able
to help other people.
1105
01:36:12,027 --> 01:36:15,900
That will help
with the lonely nights
1106
01:36:15,944 --> 01:36:20,383
the questions that'll come up
all at once.
1107
01:36:21,427 --> 01:36:27,912
And it won't be that many years I have before I can meet her.
1108
01:36:39,097 --> 01:36:43,145
[serene music playing]
1109
01:36:57,507 --> 01:37:02,773
Being able to talk to you
1110
01:37:02,817 --> 01:37:09,693
and know that you understand
means everything to me.
1111
01:37:10,955 --> 01:37:15,655
Because in this world
we all belong to each other.
1112
01:37:32,020 --> 01:37:35,806
[low tempo music playing]
1113
01:39:10,988 --> 01:39:12,337
[Peggy] Well...
1114
01:39:14,905 --> 01:39:18,865
-I guess we're at the end of it.
-Yeah.
1115
01:39:25,568 --> 01:39:27,178
May I see you again soon?
1116
01:39:27,222 --> 01:39:28,875
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
91101
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