All language subtitles for Murder on Middle Beach.S1EO2.en
Afrikaans
Albanian
Amharic
Arabic
Armenian
Azerbaijani
Basque
Belarusian
Bengali
Bosnian
Bulgarian
Catalan
Cebuano
Chichewa
Chinese (Simplified)
Chinese (Traditional)
Corsican
Croatian
Czech
Danish
Dutch
English
Esperanto
Estonian
Filipino
Finnish
French
Frisian
Galician
Georgian
German
Greek
Gujarati
Haitian Creole
Hausa
Hawaiian
Hebrew
Hindi
Hmong
Hungarian
Icelandic
Igbo
Indonesian
Irish
Italian
Japanese
Javanese
Kannada
Kazakh
Khmer
Korean
Kurdish (Kurmanji)
Kyrgyz
Lao
Latin
Latvian
Lithuanian
Luxembourgish
Macedonian
Malagasy
Malay
Malayalam
Maltese
Maori
Marathi
Mongolian
Myanmar (Burmese)
Nepali
Norwegian
Pashto
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Punjabi
Romanian
Russian
Samoan
Scots Gaelic
Serbian
Sesotho
Shona
Sindhi
Sinhala
Slovak
Slovenian
Somali
Spanish
Sundanese
Swahili
Swedish
Tajik
Tamil
Telugu
Thai
Turkish
Ukrainian
Urdu
Uzbek
Vietnamese
Welsh
Xhosa
Yiddish
Yoruba
Zulu
Odia (Oriya)
Kinyarwanda
Turkmen
Tatar
Uyghur
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:12,458 --> 00:00:14,248
MADISON HAMBURG:
What was your best recollectionof coming home?
2
00:00:14,333 --> 00:00:15,383
CONWAY: Ali and I pulled up.
3
00:00:15,458 --> 00:00:17,668
I see these cushions
up against the bushes--
4
00:00:17,750 --> 00:00:20,380
MADISON: So, you pulled back
the same cushion, what happens?
5
00:00:21,083 --> 00:00:22,583
It's your mom.
6
00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,830
I'm doing a, um,
documentary on Mom.
7
00:00:27,917 --> 00:00:29,957
JEFFREY HAMBURG: Your motherwas a very complicated person.
8
00:00:30,041 --> 00:00:32,751
She had a life thatI had no idea she had.
9
00:00:33,125 --> 00:00:34,075
CONWAY: I think the police
10
00:00:34,166 --> 00:00:35,416
dropped the ball
on your mother's murder.
11
00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:37,330
JEFFREY: You can't getan answer if you don't have
12
00:00:37,417 --> 00:00:38,997
people looking inthe right places.
13
00:00:39,083 --> 00:00:40,003
At the end of the day,
14
00:00:40,083 --> 00:00:41,173
we're not investigators.
15
00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:42,330
Hello, hello, hello.
16
00:00:43,542 --> 00:00:46,882
It could be any of us that
you're talking to right now.
17
00:00:47,458 --> 00:00:50,748
Somebody, somewhere,knows something.
18
00:00:51,667 --> 00:00:53,707
[TV static drones]
19
00:00:53,792 --> 00:00:55,752
[bright tone]
20
00:01:04,291 --> 00:01:07,461
- There's Madison,
building his puzzle.
21
00:01:07,542 --> 00:01:09,002
With Daddy helping.
22
00:01:09,083 --> 00:01:10,753
- He does it all by himself.
23
00:01:10,834 --> 00:01:13,044
[line rings]
24
00:01:13,125 --> 00:01:14,035
Hello?
25
00:01:14,125 --> 00:01:15,035
- Hey.- Hey.
26
00:01:15,125 --> 00:01:16,955
- Very good, Madison.
27
00:01:26,166 --> 00:01:27,916
- Yeah, I mean, I--
28
00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,080
there isn'ta definitive answer
29
00:01:30,166 --> 00:01:31,786
to this murder,
30
00:01:31,875 --> 00:01:34,035
so I don't wanna lose you,
31
00:01:34,125 --> 00:01:36,285
because I don't know,you know?
32
00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:42,634
- You don't thinkthey looked other places?
33
00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:13,580
Yay for Madison.
34
00:02:15,375 --> 00:02:16,995
[laughs]
35
00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,500
Go show Mommy your puzzle,
honey.
36
00:02:20,583 --> 00:02:21,583
[both laugh]
37
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,920
[dramatic music]
38
00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,710
♪ ♪
39
00:02:40,417 --> 00:02:42,577
- Ball?- Oh, I see.
40
00:02:42,667 --> 00:02:45,457
You want Mommy to getyour ball?
41
00:02:45,542 --> 00:02:48,172
You want Mommy to getyour ball?
42
00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:49,500
Good boy.
43
00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:53,003
[child babbling]
44
00:02:53,083 --> 00:02:54,673
What?You wanna get in there?
45
00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:56,170
You want meto put you in there?
46
00:02:56,250 --> 00:02:58,040
No?
47
00:02:58,125 --> 00:02:59,665
Then what do you want?[child babbles]
48
00:02:59,750 --> 00:03:01,750
You want your ball?
49
00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,000
That's a good boy.
50
00:03:05,083 --> 00:03:07,923
Maddy.Madison.
51
00:03:25,583 --> 00:03:28,293
[bright orchestra music]
52
00:03:28,375 --> 00:03:35,415
♪ ♪
53
00:03:48,625 --> 00:03:50,535
narrator: Ours is a rich
54
00:03:50,625 --> 00:03:53,495
and variant land.
55
00:03:53,583 --> 00:03:55,503
We have bounties beyond those
56
00:03:55,583 --> 00:03:59,133
known to the peopleof any other day.
57
00:03:59,208 --> 00:04:01,418
And as responsibleas anyone else
58
00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:04,210
for the care of these bounties
59
00:04:04,291 --> 00:04:05,881
is the woman
60
00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:08,079
in the American home.
61
00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:10,576
[cheers and applause]
62
00:04:10,667 --> 00:04:13,707
- WDRC-FM HD3 Hartford.
63
00:04:13,792 --> 00:04:17,752
- So the topic today, Ray,is gifting tables.
64
00:04:17,834 --> 00:04:19,754
- Ah, Gifting Table.That's right.
65
00:04:19,834 --> 00:04:21,584
And I had a friendinvolved in it.
66
00:04:21,667 --> 00:04:24,247
In the beginning, I would justhear her on the phone
67
00:04:24,333 --> 00:04:28,253
talking about soup and saladand appetizers
68
00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:30,253
and entrées and dessert.
69
00:04:30,333 --> 00:04:32,713
One time, I said, "Am I evergonna get an invitation
70
00:04:32,792 --> 00:04:34,422
to this eventyou're planning?"
71
00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:36,250
She said, "No.
72
00:04:36,333 --> 00:04:37,963
"This isa women's empowerment group.
73
00:04:38,041 --> 00:04:39,921
"It's just for women.
74
00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000
Pretend you never heard that."
75
00:04:46,834 --> 00:04:48,424
- I hope I'm notdisturbing you
76
00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:49,460
by any of the questions.
77
00:04:49,542 --> 00:04:50,922
- No.
78
00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,080
I mean, I don't wanna bethe one
79
00:04:52,166 --> 00:04:53,996
to drop the bombs here,you know?
80
00:04:54,083 --> 00:04:57,543
- I'm ready for bombs.
81
00:04:57,625 --> 00:04:58,915
You good?
- Good.
82
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000
- Cool.
83
00:05:01,083 --> 00:05:03,333
- There we go.
84
00:05:03,417 --> 00:05:04,457
- Okay.
85
00:05:04,542 --> 00:05:07,792
So what were
the Gifting Tables?
86
00:05:07,875 --> 00:05:11,455
- We had dinner parties
once a week,
87
00:05:11,542 --> 00:05:13,292
and everybody would
really get dressed
88
00:05:13,375 --> 00:05:16,955
and put on their best clothes
89
00:05:17,041 --> 00:05:19,081
and makeup and jewelry,
90
00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:21,456
and we just had a great time.
91
00:05:21,542 --> 00:05:24,132
It was just a club.
92
00:05:24,208 --> 00:05:26,128
- Why didn't I know
about the Tables?
93
00:05:26,208 --> 00:05:29,628
Why do you think
my mother kept that from me?
94
00:05:29,709 --> 00:05:31,249
- Oh.
[sighs]
95
00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:32,793
I didn't know
that you didn't know anything
96
00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:35,535
about the Tables,
quite frankly.
97
00:05:35,625 --> 00:05:39,995
So I don't know.
98
00:05:40,083 --> 00:05:42,793
- Okay.
99
00:05:42,875 --> 00:05:45,875
Let's go back a little bit.
100
00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,329
How did you meet my mother?
101
00:05:48,417 --> 00:05:49,827
[projector whirring]
102
00:05:49,917 --> 00:05:53,247
- Your mom was a little girlwhen I married Ed,
103
00:05:53,333 --> 00:05:55,883
your mom's uncle.
104
00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:59,379
We met in high school.
105
00:05:59,458 --> 00:06:01,208
It was meant to be.
106
00:06:01,291 --> 00:06:03,211
You know, he's the only manof my life.
107
00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:07,670
Your mom and I werereally, really close,
108
00:06:07,750 --> 00:06:10,830
but I really met her moreas an adult
109
00:06:10,917 --> 00:06:15,167
when she married your dadand moved to Madison.
110
00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:17,540
- What did you thinkof my dad?
111
00:06:17,625 --> 00:06:20,375
- I really like your dad.I really liked him a lot.
112
00:06:20,458 --> 00:06:22,878
Come on, Jeff.
113
00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:24,209
It's funny,'cause I always tell
114
00:06:24,291 --> 00:06:26,041
all the peoplewho married into the family,
115
00:06:26,125 --> 00:06:28,535
"This is one of the mostoverwhelming families
116
00:06:28,625 --> 00:06:30,165
you'll ever, ever meet."
117
00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:33,080
- Ali!
Ali!
118
00:06:33,166 --> 00:06:36,536
- There's nobody crazier thanyour whole family together.
119
00:06:36,625 --> 00:06:39,535
I tried to seehow long I could go
120
00:06:39,625 --> 00:06:41,705
without beingin the family photograph,
121
00:06:41,792 --> 00:06:43,582
and your dad said,"Well, you're in the family,"
122
00:06:43,667 --> 00:06:46,377
and I said, "I've never been
in the family picture
123
00:06:46,458 --> 00:06:49,538
and no one has ever noticed."
124
00:06:49,625 --> 00:06:52,915
So your dad made me come down
and get in the picture.
125
00:06:54,458 --> 00:06:56,378
We were the same age,your father and I,
126
00:06:56,458 --> 00:06:58,078
so I think that we had
127
00:06:58,166 --> 00:07:01,286
a certain connection.
128
00:07:01,375 --> 00:07:04,415
But I knew the good guy.
129
00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:07,000
Didn't know the bad guy.
130
00:07:07,083 --> 00:07:08,633
After the divorce,
131
00:07:08,709 --> 00:07:12,749
that's when her drinkingstarted becoming a problem.
132
00:07:12,834 --> 00:07:15,754
She started plunging downhill.
133
00:07:15,834 --> 00:07:18,794
[melancholic music]
134
00:07:18,875 --> 00:07:20,665
She said she was drinking
135
00:07:20,750 --> 00:07:24,580
until she passed outevery night.
136
00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:27,377
I looked at her and I said,"Where's my Barbie?
137
00:07:27,458 --> 00:07:30,418
"My Barbieis a take-charge girl.
138
00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:32,040
Where'd she go?"
139
00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:36,539
- Yes.
Absolutely.
140
00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:38,915
Your grandfather,Sandy, had it.
141
00:07:39,041 --> 00:07:41,001
He was soberfor almost 50 years
142
00:07:41,083 --> 00:07:42,833
before he died.
143
00:07:42,917 --> 00:07:46,417
And all three of the girls,and the boys, no.
144
00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,460
Isn't that funny?I don't have it.
145
00:07:48,542 --> 00:07:50,832
You either inherit that gene,
I guess,
146
00:07:50,917 --> 00:07:53,377
or you don't, you know?
147
00:07:53,458 --> 00:07:54,828
It was a real surprise for me.
148
00:07:54,917 --> 00:07:56,627
I didn't think
your mother had it.
149
00:07:56,709 --> 00:07:59,379
But then I didn't thinkCathy had it either.
150
00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,790
- Your mom was drinking a lot,
151
00:08:03,875 --> 00:08:06,165
and she was arrestedfor a DUI.
152
00:08:06,250 --> 00:08:07,960
[tires squeal]
153
00:08:08,041 --> 00:08:09,791
I guess she came out
of a blackout,
154
00:08:09,875 --> 00:08:12,625
and she doesn't know
if she was driving the vehicle
155
00:08:12,709 --> 00:08:14,669
or if someone else was.
156
00:08:14,750 --> 00:08:16,290
Every night,I would call your mom.
157
00:08:16,375 --> 00:08:19,535
She would answer sometimes.She wouldn't answer sometimes.
158
00:08:21,750 --> 00:08:25,540
One night, she said,"I'm gonna die."
159
00:08:25,625 --> 00:08:29,075
And I said, "What do you mean,you're gonna die?"
160
00:08:29,166 --> 00:08:32,036
She said, "I need some help."
161
00:08:32,125 --> 00:08:34,205
And I said,
"I'll see you in the morning."
162
00:08:35,875 --> 00:08:37,995
So I took her to treatment.
163
00:08:38,083 --> 00:08:40,583
And Grammy cameand took care of you,
164
00:08:40,667 --> 00:08:42,497
and when your mom came home,
165
00:08:42,583 --> 00:08:45,133
she was a whole new woman.
166
00:08:45,208 --> 00:08:47,288
- How did you meet my mom?
167
00:08:47,375 --> 00:08:51,495
- I met her in an AA meeting.
168
00:08:51,583 --> 00:08:54,673
- What was my mom's
early sobriety like?
169
00:08:54,750 --> 00:08:56,330
- Your mother
170
00:08:56,417 --> 00:09:00,327
was the mostenthusiastic newcomer
171
00:09:00,417 --> 00:09:01,827
that I've ever known.
172
00:09:01,917 --> 00:09:06,537
She was magnetic, alive,and compelling,
173
00:09:06,625 --> 00:09:09,705
and a joy to be around.
174
00:09:09,792 --> 00:09:13,042
Let's say she and I walkedinto a room together,
175
00:09:13,125 --> 00:09:15,035
I'd walk in behind her,
176
00:09:15,125 --> 00:09:19,165
the reaction to her, it wasalways incredibly welcoming.
177
00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:20,380
- Really?
178
00:09:20,458 --> 00:09:22,628
- Where Barbara was,
people wanted to be.
179
00:09:24,458 --> 00:09:26,828
- How would you describe her?
180
00:09:31,792 --> 00:09:35,082
- As a light.
181
00:09:35,166 --> 00:09:38,496
A shining light.
182
00:09:38,583 --> 00:09:40,883
She was instrumentalin my sobriety.
183
00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:42,579
Very much so.
184
00:09:42,667 --> 00:09:44,917
She was the best
and only friend
185
00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,830
I really ever had.
186
00:09:49,625 --> 00:09:52,915
- She really lovedthe program.
187
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,210
She cared about people.
188
00:09:55,291 --> 00:09:58,581
She loved sponsoring new girls.
189
00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:01,747
I think she knew that
that was her purpose in life,
190
00:10:01,834 --> 00:10:04,334
you know, to help others.
191
00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:09,245
People don't realize,when you lose one person,
192
00:10:09,333 --> 00:10:11,003
how much it affects
193
00:10:11,083 --> 00:10:13,383
so many other people,you know?
194
00:10:13,458 --> 00:10:17,038
- Do you think
we'll ever find out who did it?
195
00:10:17,125 --> 00:10:19,125
- I hope in my lifetime.
196
00:10:19,208 --> 00:10:20,958
You know, I'm 65 years old.
197
00:10:21,041 --> 00:10:23,251
I don't know
how much longer I'm gonna live.
198
00:10:23,333 --> 00:10:25,583
But I would really like
to know.
199
00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:28,497
You have a lot more time
than I do.
200
00:10:32,375 --> 00:10:34,535
You okay, man?
- Yeah.
201
00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:41,500
- [grunts]
- This is just groceries.
202
00:10:41,583 --> 00:10:44,333
Mommy got some milk,
some potatoes.
203
00:10:44,417 --> 00:10:46,747
- [babbling]
204
00:10:46,834 --> 00:10:48,964
- That's the chicken
for dinner.
205
00:10:49,041 --> 00:10:50,631
narrator:As she lives her life
206
00:10:50,709 --> 00:10:53,169
as the woman American,
207
00:10:53,250 --> 00:10:56,330
we often seem to charge herwith the responsibility
208
00:10:56,417 --> 00:10:59,577
of getting moreout of the family purse
209
00:10:59,667 --> 00:11:02,037
than is there.
210
00:11:02,125 --> 00:11:05,665
Her art of workingwith the family
211
00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:10,170
helps provide uswith the daily necessities
212
00:11:10,250 --> 00:11:11,670
and, perhaps,
213
00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:15,750
some of our delightfulAmerican privileges of life.
214
00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:19,670
- When she got sober,
215
00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:22,540
was my dad paying
any child support?
216
00:11:22,625 --> 00:11:24,205
- No.
217
00:11:24,291 --> 00:11:28,291
So she had nothing
to help you two guys with.
218
00:11:28,375 --> 00:11:30,415
Nothing at all.
219
00:11:31,250 --> 00:11:35,630
- So how was she paying for usif she wasn't making money?
220
00:11:35,709 --> 00:11:38,999
- Your mother had an IRA
221
00:11:39,083 --> 00:11:40,673
that she was cashing out,
222
00:11:40,750 --> 00:11:44,130
and that's how she tried
to make ends meet.
223
00:11:44,208 --> 00:11:46,378
- Is that why she joined
the Tables?
224
00:11:46,458 --> 00:11:49,378
- Yes.
She needed the money.
225
00:11:49,458 --> 00:11:55,328
♪ ♪
226
00:11:55,417 --> 00:11:57,537
- How did you meet Donna?
227
00:11:57,625 --> 00:12:00,535
- I becamereally introduced to her
228
00:12:00,625 --> 00:12:02,535
through the Gifting Tables.
229
00:12:02,625 --> 00:12:04,205
At that time,Donna was hosting
230
00:12:04,291 --> 00:12:07,751
all the Gifting Table partiesat her house.
231
00:12:07,834 --> 00:12:10,294
- A mark.
232
00:12:11,792 --> 00:12:14,042
- I don't want you to hold back
233
00:12:14,125 --> 00:12:16,325
because I'm the person
who's asking,
234
00:12:16,417 --> 00:12:17,327
if that makes sense.
235
00:12:17,417 --> 00:12:18,537
- Mm-hmm.
236
00:12:18,625 --> 00:12:20,375
By the way,I really loved your mother.
237
00:12:20,458 --> 00:12:21,378
- Yeah.
238
00:12:21,458 --> 00:12:23,378
- The whole thing was justso stupid.
239
00:12:23,458 --> 00:12:24,918
I mean, like,
I'm the last person
240
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,540
who's a fraud.
241
00:12:26,625 --> 00:12:28,825
All right.
- Dude, you look fine.
242
00:12:28,917 --> 00:12:30,707
- All right.
243
00:12:30,792 --> 00:12:33,582
- How long have you known
my mom?
244
00:12:33,667 --> 00:12:36,077
- I met her
245
00:12:36,166 --> 00:12:39,246
early on in the Tables.
246
00:12:39,333 --> 00:12:42,293
I think it was 2007.
247
00:12:42,375 --> 00:12:45,785
I invited a womanwho invited Jill.
248
00:12:45,875 --> 00:12:48,665
That's how I met Jilland your mother.
249
00:12:48,750 --> 00:12:52,380
And it wasa community of women.
250
00:12:52,458 --> 00:12:55,418
And so I thought
it was a great thing.
251
00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:59,790
It was a very large part
of my life.
252
00:12:59,875 --> 00:13:02,575
We raised money
for so many people
253
00:13:02,667 --> 00:13:04,417
to help them.
254
00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:07,040
It was a good thing.
255
00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:16,287
[scanner whirs]
256
00:13:16,375 --> 00:13:18,125
- Check this out.
257
00:13:18,208 --> 00:13:21,668
[investigative music]
258
00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:25,290
This is the amount of money
259
00:13:25,375 --> 00:13:27,495
that each woman made.
260
00:13:27,583 --> 00:13:31,133
♪ ♪
261
00:13:31,208 --> 00:13:32,288
Wow.
262
00:13:32,375 --> 00:13:34,785
That's crazy.
263
00:13:34,875 --> 00:13:36,325
- They are called
gifting clubs.
264
00:13:36,417 --> 00:13:37,457
- Gifting circle.
265
00:13:37,542 --> 00:13:39,132
- Ring leadersare telling members
266
00:13:39,208 --> 00:13:42,128
they can take in an extra80 grand in cash annually.
267
00:13:42,208 --> 00:13:45,668
- When women were invitedto these Tuesday night events,
268
00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:47,500
which were typically insomeone's home,
269
00:13:47,583 --> 00:13:50,293
they would be toldnot to tell your husband,
270
00:13:50,375 --> 00:13:53,125
not to tell anybodyabout it afterwards.
271
00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:54,998
It was just womengetting together,
272
00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:56,793
and it was all cash-based,
273
00:13:56,875 --> 00:13:58,955
and it was allterribly secret.
274
00:13:59,041 --> 00:14:00,631
- The talk was always about
275
00:14:00,709 --> 00:14:03,539
how to get more peopleinto the food chain.
276
00:14:05,542 --> 00:14:07,082
[car door closes]
277
00:14:17,458 --> 00:14:19,038
- Should I stop filming now
or can I keep going?
278
00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:20,415
- Keep going.
279
00:14:24,375 --> 00:14:27,665
- I have an appointment
with Detective Mulhern.
280
00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:30,210
- Name?
- Madison Hamburg.
281
00:14:31,125 --> 00:14:32,205
Awesome.
282
00:14:32,291 --> 00:14:34,921
Thank you so much.
283
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,290
- Okay.
He's on his way out.
284
00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:37,415
- Okay, great.
- Thank you.
285
00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,330
- No, thank you.
286
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,040
- Hey.
287
00:14:42,125 --> 00:14:43,375
- Good.How are you?
288
00:14:43,458 --> 00:14:44,458
- Good to see you.
289
00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:49,420
- Where do you want me to sit?
290
00:14:51,458 --> 00:14:52,628
- Cool.
291
00:15:56,542 --> 00:16:00,132
- Madison's been in there
for two hours
292
00:16:00,208 --> 00:16:03,328
when he was only scheduled
to be in there for one hour.
293
00:16:03,417 --> 00:16:05,327
Um...
294
00:16:05,417 --> 00:16:08,327
[tense music]
295
00:17:20,291 --> 00:17:24,541
♪ ♪
296
00:17:24,625 --> 00:17:27,575
- [breathes deeply]
297
00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:34,627
♪ ♪
298
00:17:48,125 --> 00:17:50,035
Hello. How's it going?
- Hi. How are you?
299
00:17:50,125 --> 00:17:51,415
- Good. How are you?
- Come on in.
300
00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:52,380
- Thanks.
301
00:17:52,458 --> 00:17:53,708
- How you doing
on this hot day?
302
00:17:53,792 --> 00:17:55,382
- Good.
Are we good to park over here?
303
00:17:55,458 --> 00:17:56,748
- Yeah, you're fine.
304
00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,424
- Cool.
- Yeah, come on in.
305
00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:03,540
- So when did you become closewith my mom?
306
00:18:03,625 --> 00:18:05,915
- When she movedup here permanently.
307
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,210
I got closer with her,actually,
308
00:18:08,291 --> 00:18:10,921
when I went to a couple
of the Gifting Table meetings.
309
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,170
- Okay, so what is
a gifting table?
310
00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,540
[soft jazzy music]
311
00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:17,075
narrator: If you are goingto give a party,
312
00:18:17,166 --> 00:18:19,576
plan that partyaround a purpose.
313
00:18:19,667 --> 00:18:21,287
[woman laughingand chattering]
314
00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:23,745
- They called it a sisterhood.It was beautiful.
315
00:18:23,834 --> 00:18:27,134
It was like, you walk in,
everybody was, like--
316
00:18:27,208 --> 00:18:30,998
greeted you and they were kind
and they were supportive.
317
00:18:31,083 --> 00:18:32,173
narrator:Plan for refreshments
318
00:18:32,250 --> 00:18:33,460
and entertainment.
319
00:18:33,542 --> 00:18:34,882
- With the Gifting Tables,
320
00:18:34,959 --> 00:18:38,169
you joined with a $5,000 gift
to a woman.
321
00:18:39,542 --> 00:18:42,212
That put youin a bottom row position,
322
00:18:42,291 --> 00:18:44,961
which we had calledappetizers,
323
00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:46,921
and then you were asked
to find one or two people,
324
00:18:47,041 --> 00:18:50,001
preferably two, to follow you,
325
00:18:50,083 --> 00:18:53,793
and then you, as an appetizer,moved up to the next level,
326
00:18:53,875 --> 00:18:55,995
which we calledthe soup and salad level.
327
00:18:56,083 --> 00:18:57,583
You already have
your two people behind you.
328
00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:58,627
Your job is done.
329
00:18:58,709 --> 00:18:59,999
You're just there to support
330
00:19:00,083 --> 00:19:01,333
the peoplethat are behind you
331
00:19:01,417 --> 00:19:02,957
and make them successful.
332
00:19:03,041 --> 00:19:05,131
Now you move upto the next entrée position,
333
00:19:05,208 --> 00:19:06,458
and you needed to have
eight people
334
00:19:06,542 --> 00:19:08,382
in the appetizer position.
335
00:19:10,834 --> 00:19:12,084
And then you'rein the position
336
00:19:12,166 --> 00:19:15,246
to actually receivethe eight gifts.
337
00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:17,133
- Five times eight.[cash register chimes]
338
00:19:17,208 --> 00:19:18,958
$40,000.[cheers and applause]
339
00:19:19,041 --> 00:19:20,921
Dessert is receiving.
340
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,670
It's when you get
your just desserts.
341
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:26,960
[shady music]
342
00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:30,211
narrator: Make surethe party is fun for everyone.
343
00:19:30,291 --> 00:19:32,461
- The night
you would get gifted,
344
00:19:32,542 --> 00:19:34,172
everybody was so creative.
345
00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:37,670
One girl put all the hundreds
346
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:39,500
in a balloon
347
00:19:39,583 --> 00:19:41,883
and then popped it,and all the money flew.
348
00:19:41,959 --> 00:19:46,329
One woman made a necklaceout of the money.
349
00:19:46,417 --> 00:19:48,827
- I remember the first timeI brought cash home
350
00:19:48,917 --> 00:19:50,207
and I showed it to Ed.
351
00:19:50,291 --> 00:19:51,461
I just threw it on the bed
352
00:19:51,542 --> 00:19:53,382
and the $100 bills were
just going all over the place.
353
00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:56,128
He said,
"You mean this actually works?"
354
00:19:56,208 --> 00:19:57,828
[laughs]
355
00:19:57,917 --> 00:20:00,707
It was a lot of fun.I mean, it really was.
356
00:20:00,792 --> 00:20:02,002
Think about it.
357
00:20:02,083 --> 00:20:05,503
Just raining $100 billsall the time.
358
00:20:05,583 --> 00:20:06,883
- Now the tables fall.
359
00:20:06,959 --> 00:20:08,669
Everyone's gifted.
360
00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:11,670
She goes off and followsthe person that brought her.
361
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:14,540
There goes her two womenbehind her.
362
00:20:14,625 --> 00:20:16,165
And then it startsall over again.
363
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:18,250
So you have to bringpeople in.
364
00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:21,333
- Right.- Otherwise, it's gonna die.
365
00:20:21,417 --> 00:20:23,037
- You have to understand
the timing here.
366
00:20:23,125 --> 00:20:25,535
- Now it's official.
We are in a recession.
367
00:20:25,625 --> 00:20:28,825
- Jobless claims hita 26-year high.
368
00:20:28,917 --> 00:20:31,207
- So this is the early partof 2008.
369
00:20:31,291 --> 00:20:33,131
Everybody needed money.
370
00:20:33,208 --> 00:20:36,128
People were losing their jobs
left and right.
371
00:20:36,208 --> 00:20:37,248
They were terrified.
372
00:20:37,333 --> 00:20:38,753
How were they gonna make
ends meet?
373
00:20:38,834 --> 00:20:42,004
They came on the Table,
they weren't afraid anymore.
374
00:20:42,083 --> 00:20:43,083
I needed money just to pay
375
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,376
for your uncle's
health insurance,
376
00:20:44,458 --> 00:20:46,038
and that was the main reason
why I was doing it,
377
00:20:46,125 --> 00:20:47,995
because, you know,we had to pay
378
00:20:48,083 --> 00:20:50,253
$2,300 a monthjust for health insurance,
379
00:20:50,333 --> 00:20:52,253
and that wasn'twith medication.
380
00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:55,753
I will have to say,
if you give a person hope,
381
00:20:55,834 --> 00:20:57,214
you change their life.
382
00:20:57,291 --> 00:20:58,461
I saw miracles happen.
383
00:20:58,542 --> 00:21:00,922
Conway was a miracle.
384
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,750
- So who invited you?
385
00:21:02,834 --> 00:21:05,384
- Your mother
386
00:21:05,458 --> 00:21:07,878
and my aunt Jill.
387
00:21:07,959 --> 00:21:09,749
I was, like,coming into my own
388
00:21:09,834 --> 00:21:11,214
for the first time in my life
389
00:21:11,291 --> 00:21:13,421
and feeling a lot of support.
390
00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,790
It was different from AA.
391
00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:17,785
That's about staying sober.
392
00:21:17,875 --> 00:21:22,455
This is about how to live life
and, you know,
393
00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:25,542
be a strong, healthy,
happy woman.
394
00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:29,080
- I gotta tell you something.
395
00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,916
This is something
that most guys don't get.
396
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,830
It's really something
that women get.
397
00:21:34,917 --> 00:21:36,957
Women get this,
but guys don't get this.
398
00:21:37,041 --> 00:21:41,081
This gifting club and that
sorority kind of a thing,
399
00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:43,126
they don't get it.
400
00:21:43,208 --> 00:21:45,628
- Did Chris know
about the Tables?
401
00:21:45,709 --> 00:21:48,629
- We did tell him.
402
00:21:48,709 --> 00:21:49,919
He didn't like it at all.
403
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,130
- I'm like, "That is--
what are you doing?
404
00:21:53,208 --> 00:21:55,078
You're gonna get in trouble
for that."
405
00:21:55,166 --> 00:21:56,416
She's like, "Absolutely not."
406
00:21:56,500 --> 00:21:58,000
- And I assured him.
[laughs]
407
00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:59,293
I said, you know,
408
00:21:59,375 --> 00:22:01,665
"Honest, Chris,
it's totally legal."
409
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:04,000
[laughs]
410
00:22:04,083 --> 00:22:06,083
He said, "I don't know.
I don't know.
411
00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:08,376
It's kinda scary."
412
00:22:09,875 --> 00:22:12,455
- Their MO was,"What we're doing is legal,
413
00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:13,962
but we don't want itto become illegal,"
414
00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:15,751
and so that's why they did
all these weird things,
415
00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:17,544
like have codewords for stuff.
416
00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:19,165
- We don't recruit.
417
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:20,500
We invite.
418
00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:21,673
It is not an investment.
419
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:23,710
Don't ever tell anybodyit's an investment.
420
00:22:23,792 --> 00:22:25,212
It's a gift.
421
00:22:25,291 --> 00:22:27,211
- And my mom used to keep,
422
00:22:27,291 --> 00:22:29,791
like, tens of thousands
of dollars
423
00:22:29,875 --> 00:22:32,325
in the freezer at home in bags.
424
00:22:32,417 --> 00:22:33,497
I remember that.
425
00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:34,793
They were exercising
426
00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:36,495
what they thoughtwas a tax loophole.
427
00:22:36,583 --> 00:22:40,793
They're essentiallymini pyramids, more or less,
428
00:22:40,875 --> 00:22:43,705
with the main difference beingyou got in, you got out.
429
00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:46,172
You got in, you got out.You got in, you got out.
430
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:48,710
But in order for them to work,more people had to join.
431
00:22:48,792 --> 00:22:50,382
Right?
432
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:57,540
- So I'm a new member.
433
00:22:57,625 --> 00:22:59,455
How do you introduce me?
434
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:03,210
narrator:Choose your guests carefully.
435
00:23:03,291 --> 00:23:05,711
- I'll pretend
you're my sister.
436
00:23:05,792 --> 00:23:09,382
You know that group of women
that I've been involved with?
437
00:23:09,458 --> 00:23:12,708
Well, it'll be a great group
of women for you.
438
00:23:12,792 --> 00:23:14,132
Very supportive.
439
00:23:14,208 --> 00:23:16,668
She said, "Well, would I
actually make any money?"
440
00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:18,420
I said,
"I haven't been in a table
441
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,380
that somebody
didn't make something."
442
00:23:20,458 --> 00:23:22,168
- If they seemed excited
443
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:24,750
and didn't know
how to get the money,
444
00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:27,134
suggestions were made.
445
00:23:27,208 --> 00:23:28,958
Like, maybe you couldrefinance your house
446
00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,501
or their boator whatever they might have.
447
00:23:31,583 --> 00:23:34,333
Is there equity in something?
448
00:23:36,125 --> 00:23:39,075
- And then it made a leapabout three or four years ago
449
00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:43,456
to Avon, Farmington, Simsbury,Canton, West Hartford.
450
00:23:43,542 --> 00:23:46,252
That's when I started to say,"Oh, my gosh.
451
00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:48,673
Someone's goingto get in trouble here."
452
00:23:51,667 --> 00:23:54,877
- Your mom had a ton of people
that followed her,
453
00:23:54,959 --> 00:23:56,879
and she had a ton of AA people
that followed her.
454
00:23:56,959 --> 00:23:58,079
- Really?
455
00:23:58,166 --> 00:24:00,626
- That caused, I think,
problems elsewhere.
456
00:24:00,709 --> 00:24:02,079
- Within AA probably?
457
00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:04,286
- Yeah,I don't think that it was--
458
00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:06,705
I think it was frowned uponto bring that there.
459
00:24:07,875 --> 00:24:10,075
- Did you know about
the Gifting Tables
460
00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:12,036
after the murder?
461
00:24:12,125 --> 00:24:14,075
- I knew about them
before the murder.
462
00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:17,206
A number of people I knew
were involved.
463
00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:20,461
At least one person felt
464
00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:23,502
that your mom had
recruited people
465
00:24:23,583 --> 00:24:26,213
that she knew
through the program.
466
00:24:28,917 --> 00:24:31,627
- Your mom's group grew,like, so large.
467
00:24:31,709 --> 00:24:35,459
And then she became the Donna.
468
00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:36,752
- Oh.That makes sense.
469
00:24:36,834 --> 00:24:39,254
- Because she was the onethat they would all follow.
470
00:24:39,333 --> 00:24:40,293
Because they would split off,
471
00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:42,955
then she was Donnain that group.
472
00:24:43,041 --> 00:24:45,131
The network was a big thing'cause they wanted to grow.
473
00:24:45,208 --> 00:24:46,418
You know,'cause if it doesn't grow,
474
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:48,500
it's not gonna work, right?
475
00:24:48,583 --> 00:24:51,333
- Did anybody realizehow big it was going to get?
476
00:24:51,417 --> 00:24:53,917
- No, I don't think so.
477
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,290
It was so funny because, like,
you could drive down the street
478
00:24:56,375 --> 00:24:58,625
on a Monday night
and you would be like,
479
00:24:58,709 --> 00:25:00,169
"Oh, look at all the cars
at that house.
480
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:01,670
I bet you there's
a women's meeting there."
481
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:03,000
Like, people knew!
- Wow.
482
00:25:03,083 --> 00:25:05,463
- You know, like,
that's how it was.
483
00:25:05,542 --> 00:25:07,882
But then it gotout of control.
484
00:25:07,959 --> 00:25:10,789
People were invitingeverybody.
485
00:25:10,875 --> 00:25:14,575
- It started to get scary
when the group got big.
486
00:25:14,667 --> 00:25:16,327
I mean, there would be--there was one night
487
00:25:16,417 --> 00:25:19,667
where we had, like,$90,000 in this house,
488
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:22,170
and it's a bad economy.
489
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:25,330
And I said, "You know,
people could start
490
00:25:25,417 --> 00:25:26,827
getting hurt here."
491
00:25:26,917 --> 00:25:28,667
And so there was more of a need
492
00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:32,170
to be very cautious and quiet
about these parties
493
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:34,130
and who was being invited.
494
00:25:34,208 --> 00:25:38,458
And so we didn't just
invite anybody to come.
495
00:25:39,959 --> 00:25:42,129
- They tried to target people
496
00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,378
who could afford the $5,000,
497
00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:46,378
but if you think about that,
498
00:25:46,458 --> 00:25:49,038
at some point,
the game has to--
499
00:25:49,125 --> 00:25:51,915
if you want the game to go on,
you have to go to people
500
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,080
that don't necessarily have
the means,
501
00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:55,996
and you're gonna end up
getting somebody
502
00:25:56,083 --> 00:25:57,923
who really needed that $5,000,
503
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,040
and that meant
a lot more to them
504
00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,875
than it means to someone
who's got it sitting around.
505
00:26:03,959 --> 00:26:07,499
- Well, I then sawan online alert
506
00:26:07,583 --> 00:26:10,043
about something calledthe Gifting Table,
507
00:26:10,125 --> 00:26:13,825
and that it wasa pyramid scheme,
508
00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:15,747
and there were those terms.
509
00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:19,384
Appetizer, soup and salad,entrée, dessert.
510
00:26:19,458 --> 00:26:21,208
And all the pieces fellin together
511
00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:22,541
in just a microsecond,
512
00:26:22,625 --> 00:26:24,535
and I thought, "Oh, boy."
513
00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,285
- The moneythat they are taking out,
514
00:26:26,375 --> 00:26:29,915
the $40,000,they're not paying taxes on,
515
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,380
and so manyof these conversations
516
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:34,248
about this pyramid scheme
517
00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:36,923
taking place through e-mailsand over the phone.
518
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,130
- That's wire fraud.
519
00:26:39,208 --> 00:26:41,578
Anyone who wasat the dessert level
520
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,457
in Central Connecticut,
521
00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:45,792
they know who they are.
522
00:26:45,875 --> 00:26:48,785
[tense music]
523
00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:50,785
♪ ♪
524
00:26:50,875 --> 00:26:53,535
- Someone made a callto the attorney general.
525
00:26:53,625 --> 00:26:56,535
And then that's howit all started.
526
00:26:56,625 --> 00:26:58,575
- What was the announcementon the TV?
527
00:26:58,667 --> 00:27:02,077
- Oh, it was that there was
an illegal Ponzi scheme
528
00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:04,916
running on the shoreline
529
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,920
called the Gifting Tables.
530
00:27:07,041 --> 00:27:08,961
I was like, "Oh, my God.
531
00:27:09,041 --> 00:27:10,581
Like, illegal"--you know what I mean?
532
00:27:10,667 --> 00:27:13,247
Like, I was floored by it.
533
00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:16,503
I'm telling you, I think that
it just scared a lot of people.
534
00:27:16,583 --> 00:27:23,583
♪ ♪
535
00:27:26,041 --> 00:27:28,001
- Thank you so muchfor making time for us.
536
00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:32,627
I've been making
this documentary
537
00:27:32,709 --> 00:27:35,169
since my mother was murdered
ten years ago.
538
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:36,790
I've been making it
for the past six years.
539
00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:39,625
- Yeah, I'm sorry
about your mom's death.
540
00:27:39,709 --> 00:27:40,789
- Thank you.
541
00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:43,285
- And I guess it still
hasn't really been--
542
00:27:43,375 --> 00:27:46,205
- It's still unsolved.
- Solved, yeah.
543
00:27:46,291 --> 00:27:50,171
- As you may know, she was
a part of the Gifting Tables.
544
00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:53,500
So what sparked
the investigation
545
00:27:53,583 --> 00:27:55,173
back in 2009?
546
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:56,750
- There were complainants.
547
00:27:56,834 --> 00:27:58,504
There were enough complainants
548
00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,333
that it was
really having an impact.
549
00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:03,667
We felt strongly that we had
to act to protect others,
550
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,540
if only to warn them
that the likelihood
551
00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:09,625
of their actually
making money here
552
00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:11,879
was very, very remote.
553
00:28:11,959 --> 00:28:15,789
What struck me
about the Gifting Table was
554
00:28:15,875 --> 00:28:17,495
the abuse of trust.
555
00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:20,003
Women were enticed to join
556
00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:24,463
with this promise of sisterhood
and bonding,
557
00:28:24,542 --> 00:28:28,332
and some of them
actually exploited friends,
558
00:28:28,417 --> 00:28:29,667
perhaps unknowingly--
559
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,210
one who asked
560
00:28:31,291 --> 00:28:35,211
her fellow AA members to join,
561
00:28:35,291 --> 00:28:37,081
the urging
562
00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:40,206
that people take
a second mortgage,
563
00:28:40,291 --> 00:28:41,581
sell their car,
564
00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:43,327
ask relatives
565
00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:46,417
for early inheritance.
566
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,710
Really striking people
where they lived.
567
00:28:49,792 --> 00:28:51,382
It had an emotional element
568
00:28:51,458 --> 00:28:54,748
that was unusual
for a pyramid scheme.
569
00:28:54,834 --> 00:29:00,214
♪ ♪
570
00:29:00,291 --> 00:29:02,421
- Did you see Jill's note?
- Yeah.
571
00:29:04,125 --> 00:29:05,285
- Oh, really?
572
00:29:10,208 --> 00:29:13,578
- This is November 14th, 2009.
573
00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:16,037
Subject: We win as one.
574
00:29:22,875 --> 00:29:23,995
I wonder who she is.
575
00:29:26,709 --> 00:29:28,579
"Really, it's not evena misdemeanor.
576
00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:30,287
"Be happy.All is good.
577
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:32,075
Love you.Really, I do."
578
00:29:32,166 --> 00:29:33,076
Okay.
579
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:34,246
This is in response
580
00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:36,043
to the attorney general
in Madison.
581
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:37,915
"What happened is the result
of a situation
582
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,580
"that was put into motion
some months ago
583
00:29:39,667 --> 00:29:40,877
"by an anonymous woman
584
00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:42,419
"who went to the attorneygeneral's office
585
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,580
"stating thatshe had been scammed,
586
00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:46,167
"lost money,et cetera, et cetera,
587
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:49,380
"and showed that officemany of our sacred guidelines.
588
00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:52,418
Blumenthal's office now feelsthey must investigate."
589
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:57,580
♪ ♪
590
00:29:57,667 --> 00:29:59,827
- Once that attorney general
call went in,
591
00:29:59,917 --> 00:30:02,457
I think everybody was like,
"See ya later."
592
00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:04,292
- Really?
- Oh, I think a lot--yeah.
593
00:30:04,375 --> 00:30:06,955
Yeah, I think a lot of people
were like, "No way."
594
00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:08,541
They were afraid,
'cause then at that point--
595
00:30:08,625 --> 00:30:09,785
- There was an investigation.
596
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,625
- I think people were
questioning the legality of it.
597
00:30:11,709 --> 00:30:14,079
Because I don't think people
even thought about it before.
598
00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:15,626
What happened was,
599
00:30:15,709 --> 00:30:18,129
one of the womencomplained about Barb.
600
00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:19,788
- Ah.- That group is the one
601
00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:21,575
that calledthe attorney general.
602
00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:23,077
- My mom's?- Yeah.
603
00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,746
And then everyonewas mad at her.
604
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,790
- Your mother told me
605
00:30:31,875 --> 00:30:33,325
that she wished
she had never asked
606
00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:36,537
her friends from AA
to be a part of it,
607
00:30:36,625 --> 00:30:39,375
because it got out of hand.
608
00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:40,418
And there were some women
609
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:41,920
who were maybe nothealthy enough
610
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000
to do the tables.
611
00:30:44,083 --> 00:30:46,543
And then they got angry,
and then they started to--
612
00:30:46,625 --> 00:30:49,495
you know, it became
a real quagmire.
613
00:30:49,583 --> 00:30:53,003
And then the badmouthing
against your mom
614
00:30:53,083 --> 00:30:55,833
for "preying" on women
615
00:30:55,917 --> 00:30:58,327
in AA for this.
616
00:30:58,417 --> 00:31:01,917
They really made a stink.
617
00:31:04,458 --> 00:31:06,828
- So my mother was actually
one of the women
618
00:31:06,917 --> 00:31:10,207
who was inviting people
through Alcoholics Anonymous.
619
00:31:10,291 --> 00:31:12,671
Where is the line crossed
620
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:16,000
between people who are victims
621
00:31:16,083 --> 00:31:19,583
and people who are,
I guess, criminals?
622
00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:22,417
- Well, let me talk in general.
623
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,250
Pyramid schemes,
624
00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:27,003
in the end,they are doomed to collapse.
625
00:31:27,083 --> 00:31:29,713
Someone is bound to walk away,
626
00:31:29,792 --> 00:31:31,832
in effect, defrauded.
627
00:31:31,917 --> 00:31:34,537
The people who knowingly
628
00:31:34,625 --> 00:31:38,035
and deliberately
profit from the schemes
629
00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:41,745
are criminal in their intent.
630
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,884
Others who are victims,
631
00:31:43,959 --> 00:31:46,079
in effect,are chewed up by them.
632
00:31:46,166 --> 00:31:50,876
♪ ♪
633
00:31:50,959 --> 00:31:52,709
[women chatteringindistinctly]
634
00:31:52,792 --> 00:31:55,422
- Okay, everybody's--come sit, honey.
635
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:56,880
Or geta more comfortable chair
636
00:31:56,959 --> 00:31:58,079
and bring it over.
637
00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:01,376
[indistinct chatter]
638
00:32:44,375 --> 00:32:45,745
- How do I share my screen?
639
00:32:48,291 --> 00:32:49,501
- Yeah, I got it.
640
00:32:51,375 --> 00:32:53,075
Do you see my beautiful face?
641
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,125
- "Log into Facebook
642
00:32:57,208 --> 00:32:59,578
using the following codeas your password."
643
00:32:59,667 --> 00:33:01,877
[keyboard clicking]
644
00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,081
- Holy shit, dude.
645
00:33:11,166 --> 00:33:12,786
This is insane.
646
00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:16,205
Feels really weird
logging in as my mom.
647
00:33:17,709 --> 00:33:19,999
I mean, just feellike a mindfuck.
648
00:33:20,083 --> 00:33:21,713
[soft foreboding music]
649
00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:27,133
Oh, my God.
650
00:33:27,208 --> 00:33:31,498
There's unread messages
from before she died.
651
00:33:31,583 --> 00:33:33,173
So there's no way
652
00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:35,500
the police have seen this,
dude, right?
653
00:33:35,583 --> 00:33:37,503
- Correct.
654
00:33:37,583 --> 00:33:40,213
- I wonderwhat that message is.
655
00:33:40,291 --> 00:33:42,881
"Cathy gave me 20 for..."
656
00:33:42,959 --> 00:33:44,879
I wonder if that had to dowith the Tables.
657
00:33:44,959 --> 00:33:46,209
- Yeah.
658
00:33:46,291 --> 00:33:48,881
- Am I, like, tamperingwith evidence right now?
659
00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:53,209
♪ ♪
660
00:33:53,291 --> 00:33:55,501
Did she ever express
any safety concerns?
661
00:33:55,583 --> 00:33:56,713
- Yes, she did.
662
00:33:56,792 --> 00:33:59,542
She said that...
663
00:33:59,625 --> 00:34:03,665
she feltshe was being watched...
664
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:06,250
a lot, I wanna say,
665
00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:08,583
those last couple months.
666
00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:11,077
And your mom wasin the receiving position
667
00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:12,416
when she was murdered.
668
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,500
So she was a dessert.
- Oh, wow, I didn't know that.
669
00:34:14,583 --> 00:34:15,963
- Yep.
670
00:34:17,834 --> 00:34:21,334
- Do you ever wonder,like, who could've done it?
671
00:34:23,083 --> 00:34:24,253
- Yeah.
672
00:34:52,792 --> 00:34:55,422
- So I used to do repairs,all that type of stuff.
673
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:57,710
Last thing I did wasput the mailbox up for her
674
00:34:57,792 --> 00:35:00,922
the day beforeall this happened.
675
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,130
Somebody had broke it off
and took it.
676
00:35:04,208 --> 00:35:11,208
♪ ♪
677
00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:19,252
- What is this?
678
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,083
February 14th.
679
00:35:21,166 --> 00:35:24,036
"Jill and I are split.
680
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:25,785
"She made it formal,
681
00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:27,285
"and I just wantedto keep it friendly,
682
00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,665
"and so far, it doesn't appearshe does.
683
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:31,750
"Her other problem...
684
00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:35,544
"her other problem
and Shelley and I
685
00:35:35,625 --> 00:35:37,165
"want to continue
to travel together,
686
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:39,170
and Auntie isn't happy
with that."
687
00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:42,460
♪ ♪
688
00:35:42,542 --> 00:35:44,752
"Jill and I are split."
689
00:35:47,083 --> 00:35:48,923
[sighs]
690
00:35:56,709 --> 00:35:59,329
I went through
my mom's Facebook
691
00:35:59,417 --> 00:36:00,627
Who is--or what is that?
692
00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:01,789
- "She made it formal,
693
00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,125
"and I just wanted
to keep it friendly,
694
00:36:03,208 --> 00:36:07,248
and so far,
it doesn't appear she does."
695
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,003
Oh, yeah.
696
00:36:10,083 --> 00:36:11,833
There was this big e-mail
that went out
697
00:36:11,917 --> 00:36:14,327
that Barb's group is the group
of Madison.
698
00:36:14,417 --> 00:36:16,747
Jill, like, cut her off.
699
00:36:16,834 --> 00:36:20,334
Like, told her--like,sent her on her own, kind of.
700
00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,787
- Oh.- Jill didn't tell you that?
701
00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:25,995
- So why did Jill wanna split?
702
00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:29,463
- Your mom and Conway decided
703
00:36:29,542 --> 00:36:33,292
they wanted to invite Tracy,
my aunt,
704
00:36:33,375 --> 00:36:34,825
Jill's other sister.
705
00:36:34,917 --> 00:36:35,827
- Mm-hmm.
706
00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:37,037
- She could never invitea woman.
707
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:38,785
And that's what they weregetting mad at.
708
00:36:38,875 --> 00:36:41,705
They felt that they werejust inviting anybody on
709
00:36:41,792 --> 00:36:43,042
just to gift.
710
00:36:43,125 --> 00:36:46,665
So Jill's whole holy side wasgetting mad at Barb's side,
711
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:48,830
who was actually just tryingto get women
712
00:36:48,917 --> 00:36:50,667
and bring 'em in and whatever.
713
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:51,710
- Yeah.
714
00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:53,882
- And so it turnedinto a big debacle.
715
00:36:53,959 --> 00:36:56,789
Jill just then split.
- Wow.
716
00:36:57,959 --> 00:37:00,789
What was your relationship
with Jill like?
717
00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,128
- Who invited you
to the Tables?
718
00:37:31,792 --> 00:37:34,422
- Tracy and I don't get along.Never have.
719
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,790
I didn't think my sister was
appropriate for the Tables.
720
00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:42,245
They had my sister
join their table,
721
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:43,793
and my mother was sort of
722
00:37:43,875 --> 00:37:46,285
just trying
to push my sister along.
723
00:37:46,375 --> 00:37:49,535
Yeah, I said,
"Mom, who does she know
724
00:37:49,625 --> 00:37:50,745
that would be appropriate?"
725
00:37:50,834 --> 00:37:51,964
She said, "Oh, nobody.
726
00:37:52,041 --> 00:37:53,131
Her friends don't have
any money."
727
00:37:53,208 --> 00:37:57,748
And I said, "And so,
she's gonna be successful how?
728
00:37:57,834 --> 00:37:59,924
"She doesn't have a job,
729
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,460
"she's depressed,
730
00:38:01,542 --> 00:38:03,252
"and she doesn't have
any friends with any money,
731
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:05,463
so how is she gonna be--
how's she gonna do this?"
732
00:38:05,542 --> 00:38:07,252
You can't invite anybody.
733
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:10,293
It has to be somebody who has
a chance at being successful.
734
00:38:10,375 --> 00:38:13,125
We're not just trying
to get money for people.
735
00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:16,788
But as soon as they had
their way,
736
00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:18,075
they could do anything.
737
00:38:18,166 --> 00:38:20,666
They did what they wanted to do
to get the money.
738
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:24,330
♪ ♪
739
00:38:24,417 --> 00:38:28,667
- Jill was pissed.
Sent out a fucking e-mail.
740
00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:30,630
Said, "Fuck it."
741
00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:35,039
And it panicked
a lot of the girls who were...
742
00:38:35,125 --> 00:38:37,125
Jill's Tables
or Barb's Tables or--
743
00:38:37,208 --> 00:38:39,458
everybody was kind of blended,
744
00:38:39,542 --> 00:38:41,792
and so to split was weird,
745
00:38:41,875 --> 00:38:46,245
and it caused a lot of fear
and confusion.
746
00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:48,003
[tense music]
747
00:38:48,083 --> 00:38:50,503
- Did my mom and Jillever, like,
748
00:38:50,583 --> 00:38:52,293
talk after the split, or--
749
00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:54,665
- No, I don't think they did.
750
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:59,170
So that e-mail was,
I think, in February.
751
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:00,210
- Oh.
752
00:39:00,291 --> 00:39:02,541
- And Mom was in--
753
00:39:02,625 --> 00:39:04,035
she was murdered in March.
754
00:39:04,125 --> 00:39:05,785
- Right.
- Right. So March 3rd?
755
00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:06,995
- Mm-hmm.
- Right?
756
00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:08,883
So yeah, there wasn't
a lot of time
757
00:39:08,959 --> 00:39:11,629
in between the e-mail and that.
758
00:39:11,709 --> 00:39:14,079
[insects chittering]
759
00:39:14,166 --> 00:39:15,786
- Where did my mom keepher money?
760
00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:18,035
- In the safe in the house.
761
00:39:18,125 --> 00:39:20,785
- How much moneydo you think was in the safe?
762
00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:23,495
- I will say anywherefrom 5,000 to 20,000.
763
00:39:23,583 --> 00:39:25,383
- Could it have been more?
764
00:39:25,458 --> 00:39:27,038
- Sure.
765
00:39:27,125 --> 00:39:29,665
- Did she ever move the money?
766
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:32,790
- I do remember your momdigging a hole.
767
00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:35,665
She said she put it in there.
768
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:38,710
But at some point,
she got paranoid that
769
00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:43,002
that money was gonna
be taken from her.
770
00:39:43,083 --> 00:39:45,673
- Why was she so paranoid?
771
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:48,540
Did something happen?
772
00:39:48,625 --> 00:39:53,245
- She...she was with
773
00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:54,753
someone from AA,
774
00:39:54,834 --> 00:39:57,674
and I had heardthat they saw, like,
775
00:39:57,750 --> 00:40:00,500
a guy wearing a ski maskwalk through the yard,
776
00:40:00,583 --> 00:40:02,793
but they didn't callthe police.
777
00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:09,076
- I heard that
778
00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:12,876
you and my mom witnessed
a man wearing a ski mask
779
00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:16,039
walk through our yard
on 44 Middle Beach?
780
00:40:16,125 --> 00:40:17,825
- Right.
781
00:40:17,917 --> 00:40:20,077
It was the day
before she was murdered.
782
00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:22,916
- The day before
she was killed?
783
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,330
- Yes.
784
00:40:24,417 --> 00:40:27,037
- That's terrifying.
785
00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:28,995
- We were having a luncheon.
786
00:40:29,083 --> 00:40:30,883
Out of my left field vision,
787
00:40:30,959 --> 00:40:34,079
I saw a gentlemenin a black ski mask
788
00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:37,376
walk from the leftof the windows in the front
789
00:40:37,458 --> 00:40:39,418
going towards East Wharf Road.
790
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,250
- Down the driveway or--- Yes.
791
00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:43,793
- And he was look--he looked into the house?
792
00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:45,825
- Right.- Oh, my God.
793
00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:49,917
- You know, Madison,
I gotta tell you,
794
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,580
you know,
when that fight happened
795
00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,247
between Jill and Barb,
796
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:58,883
it really tore us apart.
797
00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:03,749
- Did Aunt Jill and my mom...
798
00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,754
- They never made up
prior to that.
799
00:41:06,834 --> 00:41:08,674
Never.
800
00:41:13,375 --> 00:41:15,455
- Did you have anything to do
with the murder?
801
00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:17,252
- No.
[laughs]
802
00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:20,833
- I have to ask everyone.
- That's okay.
803
00:41:20,917 --> 00:41:22,577
No.
No.
804
00:41:22,667 --> 00:41:24,417
That was--it would've been
impossible anyway,
805
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:26,330
but no.
806
00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:28,787
Mm-mm.
No.
807
00:41:28,875 --> 00:41:32,745
Because we were starting
a road trip on the third
808
00:41:32,834 --> 00:41:34,794
with your grandmother.
809
00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:38,785
And we decided we were
gonna get up really early
810
00:41:38,875 --> 00:41:41,785
to avoid hitting any traffic,
and by 4:00,
811
00:41:41,875 --> 00:41:43,825
we were in the car
and heading down there.
812
00:41:43,917 --> 00:41:45,667
4:00 in the morning.
813
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:49,210
So we got to your grandmother
814
00:41:49,291 --> 00:41:51,461
by 10:00 in the morning.
815
00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:54,002
- Did the police
interrogate you?
816
00:41:54,083 --> 00:41:57,383
- The police interrogated me
as soon as possible.
817
00:41:57,458 --> 00:42:00,168
"And where were you?"
"Well, I was in a car.
818
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,330
You can check my Speedpass
if you want," you know?
819
00:42:03,417 --> 00:42:06,417
But yeah, I think I was
their first major suspect
820
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:08,670
because of this
Gifting Table thing
821
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:11,830
and there's--being this
little rift between us
822
00:42:11,917 --> 00:42:14,667
at that moment in time.
823
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:16,170
But it was very obvious
824
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:18,750
that I couldn't possibly
be there.
825
00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:23,495
- Okay.
826
00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:25,423
I'm gonna take a break.
827
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,130
- All right.
828
00:42:30,458 --> 00:42:33,208
I can't believe you're asking
all these questions.
829
00:42:33,291 --> 00:42:35,081
Oh, Maddy.
830
00:42:35,166 --> 00:42:38,206
Quite the quest here, baby.
831
00:42:38,291 --> 00:42:39,791
Don't know how you do it.
832
00:42:44,625 --> 00:42:46,245
[baby Madison babbling]
833
00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:47,883
- Maddy!
834
00:42:47,959 --> 00:42:50,209
Madison.
835
00:42:50,291 --> 00:42:53,421
[tense music]
836
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,210
Hi.
837
00:42:55,291 --> 00:42:56,881
[laughter]
838
00:42:56,959 --> 00:42:58,079
- Whoo!
- [laughs]
839
00:42:58,166 --> 00:42:59,576
- Barbara Hamburg--- Was found dead on her lawn--
840
00:42:59,667 --> 00:43:01,327
- Dead at the scene.
841
00:43:07,792 --> 00:43:08,922
- Hi.
842
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,080
[indistinct
whispering]
843
00:43:11,166 --> 00:43:13,166
- No.
Why would I be up there?
844
00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:17,834
- I didn't understand.
845
00:43:19,834 --> 00:43:21,674
Give me a hug.
846
00:43:31,625 --> 00:43:34,625
[somber music]
847
00:43:34,709 --> 00:43:36,379
♪ ♪
848
00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:41,125
- Yeah.
849
00:43:43,667 --> 00:43:45,747
When everything happened,
850
00:43:45,834 --> 00:43:49,334
I was, like,afraid of losing her.
851
00:43:52,041 --> 00:43:55,381
I would practicevisualizing her face.
852
00:43:57,542 --> 00:43:59,172
And I'd call her cell phone
853
00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:01,380
just so I could hearher voice.
854
00:44:01,458 --> 00:44:04,128
Snowflakes.
- Snowflakes!
855
00:44:04,208 --> 00:44:05,418
♪ Snowing ♪
856
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:07,210
♪ It's snowing ♪
857
00:44:07,291 --> 00:44:09,961
Look at those big blue eyes.
858
00:44:10,041 --> 00:44:13,791
- Just desperate attemptsof not losing someone.
859
00:44:13,875 --> 00:44:16,455
- What a beautiful boy.
860
00:44:16,542 --> 00:44:19,172
What a beautiful boy.
861
00:44:21,375 --> 00:44:24,955
- Anyone I could turn to as,like, someone to lean on
862
00:44:25,041 --> 00:44:28,831
or someoneto, like, help me through,
863
00:44:28,917 --> 00:44:31,537
the person I'm turning tocould've orchestrated
864
00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,825
or done this.
865
00:44:33,917 --> 00:44:35,127
Could've ruined my life.
866
00:44:35,208 --> 00:44:39,168
♪ ♪
867
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:42,460
Sometimes, you just feelkind of alone.
868
00:44:42,542 --> 00:44:47,042
♪ ♪
869
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:48,875
- Bye-bye.
870
00:44:50,417 --> 00:44:52,167
Mwah.
871
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:53,830
I got a kiss.
872
00:44:53,917 --> 00:44:56,247
[tape crackles]
873
00:45:02,291 --> 00:45:03,791
- It was about 8:30in the morning.
874
00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:06,665
I was still in my pajamasand bathrobe.
875
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:09,630
[soft ominous music]
876
00:45:09,709 --> 00:45:11,129
♪ ♪
877
00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:12,748
- It was in May,
878
00:45:12,834 --> 00:45:15,464
and I was sleeping in bed.
879
00:45:15,542 --> 00:45:19,672
My husband was ona business trip.
880
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:22,000
- My nephewlooks out the window
881
00:45:22,083 --> 00:45:24,503
and he seesall these federal agents
882
00:45:24,583 --> 00:45:28,253
coming to the housewith their flak jackets.
883
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:31,253
And they went,
"Is Jill Platt in the house?"
884
00:45:31,333 --> 00:45:33,213
- He was banging at the door,
885
00:45:33,291 --> 00:45:36,421
and I see all these menout there
886
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:37,750
in uniforms or something.
887
00:45:37,834 --> 00:45:38,754
I thought, "Oh, my God,
888
00:45:38,834 --> 00:45:40,754
there must be a fire
or something."
889
00:45:40,834 --> 00:45:43,044
And I went downstairsand I opened the door
890
00:45:43,125 --> 00:45:44,705
and I said, "May I help you?"
891
00:45:44,792 --> 00:45:46,882
He said, "Are you Donna Bello?"
and I said, "Yes."
892
00:45:46,959 --> 00:45:49,919
And then a group of mencame in
893
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,040
with guns and--
894
00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:55,245
and bulletproof vests on
895
00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:59,713
and they put handcuffs on me.
896
00:45:59,792 --> 00:46:01,212
I was in shock.
897
00:46:01,291 --> 00:46:04,581
- I said, "Don't you have any
real crime to fight?"
898
00:46:04,667 --> 00:46:07,287
"This is a real cri"--
I mean, I could just see
899
00:46:07,375 --> 00:46:10,035
I, like, stabbed him
in his eyeball
900
00:46:10,125 --> 00:46:11,125
when I said that.
901
00:46:11,208 --> 00:46:12,918
"This is a real crime."
902
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,040
- So I thought,
"This is so messed up."
903
00:46:16,125 --> 00:46:18,705
You know?
"This is crazy.
904
00:46:18,792 --> 00:46:20,252
"Like, what is going on?
905
00:46:20,333 --> 00:46:22,753
This is
a women's gifting group."
906
00:46:22,834 --> 00:46:24,924
- Bunch of women
having dinner parties,
907
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,580
giving each other money.
908
00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:30,417
I can think of worse things.
909
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,500
- Do you thinkif my mom was alive,
910
00:46:32,583 --> 00:46:36,423
she would've been takento trial?
911
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,580
- If your motherwas alive today,
912
00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:41,287
I don't know that any of us
would've been taken to trial.
913
00:46:41,375 --> 00:46:43,455
The thing is,when your mother was murdered,
914
00:46:43,542 --> 00:46:44,832
they confiscated her computer,
915
00:46:44,917 --> 00:46:46,957
and when they confiscatedher computer,
916
00:46:47,041 --> 00:46:50,421
they saw this business
about the Tables.
917
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:52,460
So then they turnedall of this information over
918
00:46:52,542 --> 00:46:54,042
to the IRS.
919
00:46:55,875 --> 00:46:58,785
- Do you believe thatthe murder was a catalyst
920
00:46:58,875 --> 00:47:00,165
for the investigation?
921
00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:02,540
- Yeah.
Yeah.
922
00:47:09,041 --> 00:47:12,171
- Had you heard about
my mother's murder
923
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:14,920
before starting
the investigation?
924
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,460
- So--no.
925
00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:19,462
Back in around March 2010,
926
00:47:19,542 --> 00:47:22,132
there was a detailed article
927
00:47:22,208 --> 00:47:24,328
published by
the "New Haven Register"
928
00:47:24,417 --> 00:47:26,167
about the women'sgifting tables
929
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:28,210
that were operating onthe shoreline of Connecticut,
930
00:47:28,291 --> 00:47:31,711
and that articlereferenced this murder.
931
00:47:31,792 --> 00:47:34,212
- Do you think
if my mother was alive,
932
00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:37,501
she would've been
a part of the investigation?
933
00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:39,423
- I can't say.
934
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:42,000
- She broke the law, I think--
I think,
935
00:47:42,083 --> 00:47:44,793
by being a part
of these gifting tables
936
00:47:44,875 --> 00:47:48,495
and possibly victimized women,
maybe even unknowingly.
937
00:47:48,583 --> 00:47:51,253
If the women thought
what they were doing was right,
938
00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:54,673
does that change
what they were doing?
939
00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:57,000
- Well, the evidence
ultimately dictated,
940
00:47:57,083 --> 00:48:00,923
you know, charges being filed
941
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,880
based on their statements,
942
00:48:03,959 --> 00:48:05,709
their e-mails,
943
00:48:05,792 --> 00:48:07,212
you know, everythingthat we'd gathered
944
00:48:07,291 --> 00:48:08,711
in the investigation.
945
00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:10,502
- Two Guilford women convictedof running
946
00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:12,213
a Gifting Table pyramid scheme
947
00:48:12,291 --> 00:48:13,581
were sentenced today.
948
00:48:13,667 --> 00:48:15,707
Jill Platt will spend4 1/2 years in prison.
949
00:48:15,792 --> 00:48:19,542
Donna Bello will spendsix years behind bars.
950
00:48:19,625 --> 00:48:22,535
- I couldn't figure out
951
00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:23,705
how many years that was,
952
00:48:23,792 --> 00:48:26,212
because I couldn't even
get to that point
953
00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:27,541
where I was thinking years.
954
00:48:27,625 --> 00:48:29,245
I just...
955
00:48:31,792 --> 00:48:33,382
And then I'm blank.
Then I went blank.
956
00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:36,788
And I lost a lot of memory
after that.
957
00:48:36,875 --> 00:48:38,745
- In tears, Bello and Plattboth apologized
958
00:48:38,834 --> 00:48:40,044
in court today.
959
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:42,245
The two were found guiltyin February of wire fraud,
960
00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:43,883
filing false tax returns,
961
00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:47,419
and conspiringto defraud the IRS.
962
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,630
- Well, I've lost my family,
my own family,
963
00:48:50,709 --> 00:48:53,669
because I'm such a shame
to them.
964
00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,293
That's because
they're ignorant.
965
00:48:58,375 --> 00:49:00,875
They're all ignorant.
966
00:49:13,458 --> 00:49:20,458
♪ ♪
967
00:49:25,375 --> 00:49:28,705
- What's up?
- Hey, man.
968
00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:29,962
- Hi, Kim.
- Hi.
969
00:49:30,041 --> 00:49:32,631
How are you?
- How's it going?
970
00:49:32,709 --> 00:49:34,789
How's it going?
- Good. How's it going for you?
971
00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:37,205
- Good.
- Yeah?
972
00:49:37,291 --> 00:49:39,081
Yes?
[baby coos]
973
00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:41,326
What? What? What?
- Oh.
974
00:49:41,417 --> 00:49:42,787
- How have you been?
975
00:49:42,875 --> 00:49:45,915
- Well, I got married.
976
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,290
That was, what, two years ago?
977
00:49:49,375 --> 00:49:50,955
Mom's out of jail.
978
00:49:51,041 --> 00:49:53,921
Mom went to jail,and now she's out of jail.
979
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,040
Right now, everything's good.Everybody's healthy.
980
00:50:01,709 --> 00:50:05,459
- Banksy, my spoiled cat.
981
00:50:05,542 --> 00:50:08,382
[laughs]
982
00:50:08,458 --> 00:50:10,288
- You got out in November?
983
00:50:10,375 --> 00:50:12,165
- I came back in November.
984
00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:13,380
- Okay.
- I got out last May.
985
00:50:13,458 --> 00:50:14,878
May 15th.
986
00:50:14,959 --> 00:50:17,209
- So it's been over a year?
987
00:50:17,291 --> 00:50:18,501
- Just.
988
00:50:18,583 --> 00:50:20,463
Mm.
- Wow.
989
00:50:20,542 --> 00:50:23,462
- It's just a big adjustment,you know?
990
00:50:23,542 --> 00:50:27,042
My husband diedtwo months before the trial.
991
00:50:27,125 --> 00:50:29,665
The last year of his life,he was not well
992
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:33,500
and not taking his medicationfor his heart.
993
00:50:33,583 --> 00:50:37,883
all: ♪ Happy birthday,
Uncle Eddie ♪
994
00:50:37,959 --> 00:50:38,879
- Whoo!
995
00:50:38,959 --> 00:50:41,329
- I do believethat your uncle died
996
00:50:41,417 --> 00:50:43,667
because he wasso stressed out.
997
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:46,710
- Hello, beautiful.
- How are you?
998
00:50:46,792 --> 00:50:48,082
- We were married 43 years.
999
00:50:48,166 --> 00:50:49,746
So now, all of a sudden,
1000
00:50:49,834 --> 00:50:51,884
I am on my own,
1001
00:50:51,959 --> 00:50:53,709
have to figure it out,
but you know what?
1002
00:50:53,792 --> 00:50:57,882
I no longer--
I no longer worry about it.
1003
00:50:57,959 --> 00:50:59,919
It's like, que será, será.
1004
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,880
What will be will be.
1005
00:51:01,959 --> 00:51:04,829
What do you think, Banks?
1006
00:51:04,917 --> 00:51:07,327
What do you think?
1007
00:51:07,417 --> 00:51:12,247
- What's really impactful here
are the human stories
1008
00:51:12,333 --> 00:51:15,383
of greed,
1009
00:51:15,458 --> 00:51:18,578
loss, remorse,
1010
00:51:18,667 --> 00:51:23,037
and destruction
of personal lives
1011
00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:25,075
and friendships
and relationships.
1012
00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:28,746
- So...
1013
00:51:28,834 --> 00:51:30,964
I'm trying to wrestlewith the idea
1014
00:51:31,041 --> 00:51:35,041
of whether or not my motherwas a criminal, I guess.
1015
00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:38,625
I don't know
that she knowingly...
1016
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:40,879
she knew that the Tables had
1017
00:51:40,959 --> 00:51:43,579
the outcome
that they would have,
1018
00:51:43,667 --> 00:51:46,577
but, you know,
she made money off of--
1019
00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:47,747
- I wish I could help you...
1020
00:51:47,834 --> 00:51:49,254
- Sure.
- Answer that question.
1021
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:50,713
You know, I would also say,
1022
00:51:50,792 --> 00:51:53,632
just on a very personal level,
to you,
1023
00:51:53,709 --> 00:51:56,959
there are...
1024
00:51:57,041 --> 00:52:01,081
gradations of culpability
when people break the law,
1025
00:52:01,166 --> 00:52:02,826
so it's complicated.
1026
00:52:02,917 --> 00:52:04,537
Life is complicated.
1027
00:52:04,625 --> 00:52:06,455
I learned as a prosecutor,
1028
00:52:06,542 --> 00:52:10,752
both as a U.S. attorney
and as state attorney general,
1029
00:52:10,834 --> 00:52:14,084
condemnation is easy,
1030
00:52:14,166 --> 00:52:17,286
but breaking the law involves
1031
00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:21,995
different degrees
of moral responsibility.
1032
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:28,790
[knocking on door]
1033
00:52:28,875 --> 00:52:29,785
[doorbell rings]
1034
00:52:29,875 --> 00:52:31,995
[dog barks]
1035
00:52:32,083 --> 00:52:33,333
- Lucy, Lucy.
1036
00:52:33,417 --> 00:52:35,577
Hey, everybody.
- Hey, how's it going, Don?
1037
00:52:35,667 --> 00:52:37,167
Nice to meet you.- Finally.
1038
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:38,750
Yeah, it's goodto meet you finally, yes.
1039
00:52:38,834 --> 00:52:40,754
[door closes]
1040
00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:44,254
Yeah, what time was the callto 911?
1041
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:47,633
- Between 11:30 and 12:00,
maybe even 12:30.
1042
00:52:47,709 --> 00:52:49,459
- A rough estimate right now
would be,
1043
00:52:49,542 --> 00:52:52,252
we're looking at about
a two-hour window.
1044
00:52:52,333 --> 00:52:54,633
We don't know
if they were there waiting
1045
00:52:54,709 --> 00:52:57,669
or she was expecting someone
to come over.
1046
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:59,670
- So here's the house.
- Mm-hmm.
1047
00:52:59,750 --> 00:53:01,670
- It's covered with trees.
1048
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:03,000
There's a long driveway
1049
00:53:03,083 --> 00:53:05,043
with a neighbor here
and a neighbor here.
1050
00:53:05,125 --> 00:53:07,285
There's a golf course
right here.
1051
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:13,000
- So this is the drive
right here, right?
1052
00:53:13,083 --> 00:53:14,503
- The--yeah, this second one.
1053
00:53:14,583 --> 00:53:16,543
- 34, here?
Okay.
1054
00:53:18,709 --> 00:53:21,829
- You can't see it at all
from the street.
1055
00:53:21,917 --> 00:53:24,377
- No.
1056
00:53:24,458 --> 00:53:25,668
- I don't even--
1057
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:27,540
- You had to know
that the house was there.
1058
00:53:27,625 --> 00:53:28,825
- Yeah.
1059
00:53:28,917 --> 00:53:31,997
- That would be
a high-risk point of entry.
1060
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,210
- Oh, there--
that's the house right there?
1061
00:53:40,291 --> 00:53:42,381
- Yeah.
- Okay.
1062
00:53:42,458 --> 00:53:43,538
Wow.
1063
00:53:43,625 --> 00:53:45,535
- It is wide open
from this angle.
1064
00:53:45,625 --> 00:53:47,035
- It is.
1065
00:53:47,125 --> 00:53:48,705
[soft dramatic music]
1066
00:53:48,792 --> 00:53:50,212
The focus should be, you know,
1067
00:53:50,291 --> 00:53:52,711
was there a third dimensionto this?
1068
00:53:52,792 --> 00:53:54,712
Was there something elsegoing on
1069
00:53:54,792 --> 00:53:56,252
in your mom's life
1070
00:53:56,333 --> 00:53:59,173
that nobody knowsor she kept a secret?
1071
00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:01,460
Was there somethingthat we're missing?
1072
00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:16,169
- Who was that?
1073
00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:31,035
- Yeah.
1074
00:54:31,125 --> 00:54:33,955
What is this document?
1075
00:54:34,041 --> 00:54:38,331
- It's an excerpt of testimony
to the grand jury.
1076
00:54:38,417 --> 00:54:39,917
- So this is something
that's sealed
1077
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,380
that we couldn't get before?
1078
00:54:41,458 --> 00:54:42,458
- Yeah.
1079
00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,542
I have no idea
how Conway has this.
1080
00:54:44,625 --> 00:54:47,125
Because all testimonies
in the grand jury
1081
00:54:47,208 --> 00:54:48,578
are supposed to be sealed.
1082
00:54:48,667 --> 00:54:51,577
[tense music]
1083
00:54:51,667 --> 00:54:53,747
♪ ♪
1084
00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,924
- "There were some
intimidating measures
1085
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,790
"taken in the past few months.
1086
00:54:57,875 --> 00:55:00,785
"Members of the gifting tableshave come to the meetings
1087
00:55:00,875 --> 00:55:04,125
"and presented themselvesin intimidating ways.
1088
00:55:04,208 --> 00:55:06,828
"Conway Beach has cometo meetings several times
1089
00:55:06,917 --> 00:55:09,287
"and shared in a meetingthat there shouldn't be
1090
00:55:09,375 --> 00:55:11,125
"gossip, criticism,and judgment,
1091
00:55:11,208 --> 00:55:12,288
"and discussion about things
1092
00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:14,825
that people don't knowanything about."
1093
00:55:14,917 --> 00:55:16,787
"Within the last week
and a half,
1094
00:55:16,875 --> 00:55:19,035
was Ms. Beach near
your residence?"
1095
00:55:19,125 --> 00:55:20,625
Answer: "Yes, sir."
1096
00:55:20,709 --> 00:55:22,289
Question:"Explain to the members
1097
00:55:22,375 --> 00:55:23,915
of the Grand Jurywhat happened there."
1098
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,210
Answer:
1099
00:55:35,208 --> 00:55:36,458
"As you sit here today,
1100
00:55:36,542 --> 00:55:38,542
are you afraid
of Conway Beach?"
1101
00:55:38,625 --> 00:55:40,495
Answer: "Yes, sir."
1102
00:55:40,583 --> 00:55:42,383
Question: "Why is that?"
1103
00:55:42,458 --> 00:55:43,708
Answer:
1104
00:55:48,417 --> 00:55:51,077
Wow.
1105
00:55:55,125 --> 00:56:02,125
♪ ♪
1106
00:56:06,583 --> 00:56:08,423
- As you're doingthis documentary,
1107
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:10,130
I worry about you the most,
1108
00:56:10,208 --> 00:56:13,668
because you're finding outso many things
1109
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:16,000
that I triedto protect you from.
1110
00:56:16,083 --> 00:56:18,173
And I just worry.
1111
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:22,460
I hope you can processall of this...
1112
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,880
And still love me.
1113
00:56:27,959 --> 00:56:31,079
As I will always love you.
1114
00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:32,746
- Watch out for the--- Happy Thanksgiving.
1115
00:56:32,834 --> 00:56:34,384
- Hazards are behind you.
- [laughs]
1116
00:56:34,458 --> 00:56:36,708
[child babbling]
1117
00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:38,542
- Some people can getto a point,
1118
00:56:38,625 --> 00:56:40,245
I don't care who it is,
1119
00:56:40,333 --> 00:56:42,333
where they can snap.
1120
00:56:42,417 --> 00:56:44,247
- Did you snap?
1121
00:56:44,333 --> 00:56:46,463
- I snapped.
1122
00:56:55,792 --> 00:56:58,712
[solemn music]
1123
00:56:58,792 --> 00:57:05,832
♪ ♪
1124
00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:11,325
[indistinct conversation]
1125
00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:40,712
- Flowers?You gonna get the flowers?
1126
00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:42,082
Okay.
1127
00:57:42,166 --> 00:57:44,626
Get the flowers.
1128
00:57:44,709 --> 00:57:46,079
Aww.
1129
00:57:46,166 --> 00:57:47,916
Oh.
1130
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,750
Pretty flowers.
1131
00:57:49,834 --> 00:57:56,834
♪ ♪
1132
00:58:06,875 --> 00:58:08,625
Oh.
1133
00:58:08,709 --> 00:58:11,379
Pretty flowers.
1134
00:58:23,875 --> 00:58:25,915
[bright tone]
1135
00:58:29,917 --> 00:58:31,537
WOMAN: I'm so sorry.
1136
00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:33,923
MADISON HAMBURG:
Why are you sorry?
1137
00:58:35,041 --> 00:58:36,381
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1138
00:58:37,166 --> 00:58:39,206
MADISON: I haven't been back
here in six years.
1139
00:58:39,917 --> 00:58:41,627
How has it effected our family?
1140
00:58:41,709 --> 00:58:43,499
WOMAN 2: I definitely do feellike there's a rift
1141
00:58:43,583 --> 00:58:44,713
because of the murder.
1142
00:58:44,959 --> 00:58:49,249
When your world is ripped apart
it can do things to you.
1143
00:58:49,667 --> 00:58:53,127
MADISON: If the person isstill alive who did this to mom,
1144
00:58:53,208 --> 00:58:54,328
would you wanna say anything?
1145
00:58:54,417 --> 00:58:56,577
No. Do you wanna say anything
to them?
1146
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:59,000
MADISON: I'm coming for you.
1147
00:58:59,083 --> 00:59:00,583
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
82217
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.