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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,458 --> 00:00:14,248 MADISON HAMBURG: What was your best recollection of coming home? 2 00:00:14,333 --> 00:00:15,383 CONWAY: Ali and I pulled up. 3 00:00:15,458 --> 00:00:17,668 I see these cushions up against the bushes-- 4 00:00:17,750 --> 00:00:20,380 MADISON: So, you pulled back the same cushion, what happens? 5 00:00:21,083 --> 00:00:22,583 It's your mom. 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,830 I'm doing a, um, documentary on Mom. 7 00:00:27,917 --> 00:00:29,957 JEFFREY HAMBURG: Your mother was a very complicated person. 8 00:00:30,041 --> 00:00:32,751 She had a life that I had no idea she had. 9 00:00:33,125 --> 00:00:34,075 CONWAY: I think the police 10 00:00:34,166 --> 00:00:35,416 dropped the ball on your mother's murder. 11 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:37,330 JEFFREY: You can't get an answer if you don't have 12 00:00:37,417 --> 00:00:38,997 people looking in the right places. 13 00:00:39,083 --> 00:00:40,003 At the end of the day, 14 00:00:40,083 --> 00:00:41,173 we're not investigators. 15 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:42,330 Hello, hello, hello. 16 00:00:43,542 --> 00:00:46,882 It could be any of us that you're talking to right now. 17 00:00:47,458 --> 00:00:50,748 Somebody, somewhere, knows something. 18 00:00:51,667 --> 00:00:53,707 [TV static drones] 19 00:00:53,792 --> 00:00:55,752 [bright tone] 20 00:01:04,291 --> 00:01:07,461 - There's Madison, building his puzzle. 21 00:01:07,542 --> 00:01:09,002 With Daddy helping. 22 00:01:09,083 --> 00:01:10,753 - He does it all by himself. 23 00:01:10,834 --> 00:01:13,044 [line rings] 24 00:01:13,125 --> 00:01:14,035 Hello? 25 00:01:14,125 --> 00:01:15,035 - Hey. - Hey. 26 00:01:15,125 --> 00:01:16,955 - Very good, Madison. 27 00:01:26,166 --> 00:01:27,916 - Yeah, I mean, I-- 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,080 there isn't a definitive answer 29 00:01:30,166 --> 00:01:31,786 to this murder, 30 00:01:31,875 --> 00:01:34,035 so I don't wanna lose you, 31 00:01:34,125 --> 00:01:36,285 because I don't know, you know? 32 00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:42,634 - You don't think they looked other places? 33 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:13,580 Yay for Madison. 34 00:02:15,375 --> 00:02:16,995 [laughs] 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,500 Go show Mommy your puzzle, honey. 36 00:02:20,583 --> 00:02:21,583 [both laugh] 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,920 [dramatic music] 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,710 ♪ ♪ 39 00:02:40,417 --> 00:02:42,577 - Ball? - Oh, I see. 40 00:02:42,667 --> 00:02:45,457 You want Mommy to get your ball? 41 00:02:45,542 --> 00:02:48,172 You want Mommy to get your ball? 42 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:49,500 Good boy. 43 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:53,003 [child babbling] 44 00:02:53,083 --> 00:02:54,673 What? You wanna get in there? 45 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:56,170 You want me to put you in there? 46 00:02:56,250 --> 00:02:58,040 No? 47 00:02:58,125 --> 00:02:59,665 Then what do you want? [child babbles] 48 00:02:59,750 --> 00:03:01,750 You want your ball? 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,000 That's a good boy. 50 00:03:05,083 --> 00:03:07,923 Maddy. Madison. 51 00:03:25,583 --> 00:03:28,293 [bright orchestra music] 52 00:03:28,375 --> 00:03:35,415 ♪ ♪ 53 00:03:48,625 --> 00:03:50,535 narrator: Ours is a rich 54 00:03:50,625 --> 00:03:53,495 and variant land. 55 00:03:53,583 --> 00:03:55,503 We have bounties beyond those 56 00:03:55,583 --> 00:03:59,133 known to the people of any other day. 57 00:03:59,208 --> 00:04:01,418 And as responsible as anyone else 58 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:04,210 for the care of these bounties 59 00:04:04,291 --> 00:04:05,881 is the woman 60 00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:08,079 in the American home. 61 00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:10,576 [cheers and applause] 62 00:04:10,667 --> 00:04:13,707 - WDRC-FM HD3 Hartford. 63 00:04:13,792 --> 00:04:17,752 - So the topic today, Ray, is gifting tables. 64 00:04:17,834 --> 00:04:19,754 - Ah, Gifting Table. That's right. 65 00:04:19,834 --> 00:04:21,584 And I had a friend involved in it. 66 00:04:21,667 --> 00:04:24,247 In the beginning, I would just hear her on the phone 67 00:04:24,333 --> 00:04:28,253 talking about soup and salad and appetizers 68 00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:30,253 and entrées and dessert. 69 00:04:30,333 --> 00:04:32,713 One time, I said, "Am I ever gonna get an invitation 70 00:04:32,792 --> 00:04:34,422 to this event you're planning?" 71 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:36,250 She said, "No. 72 00:04:36,333 --> 00:04:37,963 "This is a women's empowerment group. 73 00:04:38,041 --> 00:04:39,921 "It's just for women. 74 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Pretend you never heard that." 75 00:04:46,834 --> 00:04:48,424 - I hope I'm not disturbing you 76 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:49,460 by any of the questions. 77 00:04:49,542 --> 00:04:50,922 - No. 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,080 I mean, I don't wanna be the one 79 00:04:52,166 --> 00:04:53,996 to drop the bombs here, you know? 80 00:04:54,083 --> 00:04:57,543 - I'm ready for bombs. 81 00:04:57,625 --> 00:04:58,915 You good? - Good. 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 - Cool. 83 00:05:01,083 --> 00:05:03,333 - There we go. 84 00:05:03,417 --> 00:05:04,457 - Okay. 85 00:05:04,542 --> 00:05:07,792 So what were the Gifting Tables? 86 00:05:07,875 --> 00:05:11,455 - We had dinner parties once a week, 87 00:05:11,542 --> 00:05:13,292 and everybody would really get dressed 88 00:05:13,375 --> 00:05:16,955 and put on their best clothes 89 00:05:17,041 --> 00:05:19,081 and makeup and jewelry, 90 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:21,456 and we just had a great time. 91 00:05:21,542 --> 00:05:24,132 It was just a club. 92 00:05:24,208 --> 00:05:26,128 - Why didn't I know about the Tables? 93 00:05:26,208 --> 00:05:29,628 Why do you think my mother kept that from me? 94 00:05:29,709 --> 00:05:31,249 - Oh. [sighs] 95 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:32,793 I didn't know that you didn't know anything 96 00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:35,535 about the Tables, quite frankly. 97 00:05:35,625 --> 00:05:39,995 So I don't know. 98 00:05:40,083 --> 00:05:42,793 - Okay. 99 00:05:42,875 --> 00:05:45,875 Let's go back a little bit. 100 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,329 How did you meet my mother? 101 00:05:48,417 --> 00:05:49,827 [projector whirring] 102 00:05:49,917 --> 00:05:53,247 - Your mom was a little girl when I married Ed, 103 00:05:53,333 --> 00:05:55,883 your mom's uncle. 104 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:59,379 We met in high school. 105 00:05:59,458 --> 00:06:01,208 It was meant to be. 106 00:06:01,291 --> 00:06:03,211 You know, he's the only man of my life. 107 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:07,670 Your mom and I were really, really close, 108 00:06:07,750 --> 00:06:10,830 but I really met her more as an adult 109 00:06:10,917 --> 00:06:15,167 when she married your dad and moved to Madison. 110 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:17,540 - What did you think of my dad? 111 00:06:17,625 --> 00:06:20,375 - I really like your dad. I really liked him a lot. 112 00:06:20,458 --> 00:06:22,878 Come on, Jeff. 113 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:24,209 It's funny, 'cause I always tell 114 00:06:24,291 --> 00:06:26,041 all the people who married into the family, 115 00:06:26,125 --> 00:06:28,535 "This is one of the most overwhelming families 116 00:06:28,625 --> 00:06:30,165 you'll ever, ever meet." 117 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:33,080 - Ali! Ali! 118 00:06:33,166 --> 00:06:36,536 - There's nobody crazier than your whole family together. 119 00:06:36,625 --> 00:06:39,535 I tried to see how long I could go 120 00:06:39,625 --> 00:06:41,705 without being in the family photograph, 121 00:06:41,792 --> 00:06:43,582 and your dad said, "Well, you're in the family," 122 00:06:43,667 --> 00:06:46,377 and I said, "I've never been in the family picture 123 00:06:46,458 --> 00:06:49,538 and no one has ever noticed." 124 00:06:49,625 --> 00:06:52,915 So your dad made me come down and get in the picture. 125 00:06:54,458 --> 00:06:56,378 We were the same age, your father and I, 126 00:06:56,458 --> 00:06:58,078 so I think that we had 127 00:06:58,166 --> 00:07:01,286 a certain connection. 128 00:07:01,375 --> 00:07:04,415 But I knew the good guy. 129 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:07,000 Didn't know the bad guy. 130 00:07:07,083 --> 00:07:08,633 After the divorce, 131 00:07:08,709 --> 00:07:12,749 that's when her drinking started becoming a problem. 132 00:07:12,834 --> 00:07:15,754 She started plunging downhill. 133 00:07:15,834 --> 00:07:18,794 [melancholic music] 134 00:07:18,875 --> 00:07:20,665 She said she was drinking 135 00:07:20,750 --> 00:07:24,580 until she passed out every night. 136 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:27,377 I looked at her and I said, "Where's my Barbie? 137 00:07:27,458 --> 00:07:30,418 "My Barbie is a take-charge girl. 138 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:32,040 Where'd she go?" 139 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:36,539 - Yes. Absolutely. 140 00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:38,915 Your grandfather, Sandy, had it. 141 00:07:39,041 --> 00:07:41,001 He was sober for almost 50 years 142 00:07:41,083 --> 00:07:42,833 before he died. 143 00:07:42,917 --> 00:07:46,417 And all three of the girls, and the boys, no. 144 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,460 Isn't that funny? I don't have it. 145 00:07:48,542 --> 00:07:50,832 You either inherit that gene, I guess, 146 00:07:50,917 --> 00:07:53,377 or you don't, you know? 147 00:07:53,458 --> 00:07:54,828 It was a real surprise for me. 148 00:07:54,917 --> 00:07:56,627 I didn't think your mother had it. 149 00:07:56,709 --> 00:07:59,379 But then I didn't think Cathy had it either. 150 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,790 - Your mom was drinking a lot, 151 00:08:03,875 --> 00:08:06,165 and she was arrested for a DUI. 152 00:08:06,250 --> 00:08:07,960 [tires squeal] 153 00:08:08,041 --> 00:08:09,791 I guess she came out of a blackout, 154 00:08:09,875 --> 00:08:12,625 and she doesn't know if she was driving the vehicle 155 00:08:12,709 --> 00:08:14,669 or if someone else was. 156 00:08:14,750 --> 00:08:16,290 Every night, I would call your mom. 157 00:08:16,375 --> 00:08:19,535 She would answer sometimes. She wouldn't answer sometimes. 158 00:08:21,750 --> 00:08:25,540 One night, she said, "I'm gonna die." 159 00:08:25,625 --> 00:08:29,075 And I said, "What do you mean, you're gonna die?" 160 00:08:29,166 --> 00:08:32,036 She said, "I need some help." 161 00:08:32,125 --> 00:08:34,205 And I said, "I'll see you in the morning." 162 00:08:35,875 --> 00:08:37,995 So I took her to treatment. 163 00:08:38,083 --> 00:08:40,583 And Grammy came and took care of you, 164 00:08:40,667 --> 00:08:42,497 and when your mom came home, 165 00:08:42,583 --> 00:08:45,133 she was a whole new woman. 166 00:08:45,208 --> 00:08:47,288 - How did you meet my mom? 167 00:08:47,375 --> 00:08:51,495 - I met her in an AA meeting. 168 00:08:51,583 --> 00:08:54,673 - What was my mom's early sobriety like? 169 00:08:54,750 --> 00:08:56,330 - Your mother 170 00:08:56,417 --> 00:09:00,327 was the most enthusiastic newcomer 171 00:09:00,417 --> 00:09:01,827 that I've ever known. 172 00:09:01,917 --> 00:09:06,537 She was magnetic, alive, and compelling, 173 00:09:06,625 --> 00:09:09,705 and a joy to be around. 174 00:09:09,792 --> 00:09:13,042 Let's say she and I walked into a room together, 175 00:09:13,125 --> 00:09:15,035 I'd walk in behind her, 176 00:09:15,125 --> 00:09:19,165 the reaction to her, it was always incredibly welcoming. 177 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:20,380 - Really? 178 00:09:20,458 --> 00:09:22,628 - Where Barbara was, people wanted to be. 179 00:09:24,458 --> 00:09:26,828 - How would you describe her? 180 00:09:31,792 --> 00:09:35,082 - As a light. 181 00:09:35,166 --> 00:09:38,496 A shining light. 182 00:09:38,583 --> 00:09:40,883 She was instrumental in my sobriety. 183 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:42,579 Very much so. 184 00:09:42,667 --> 00:09:44,917 She was the best and only friend 185 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,830 I really ever had. 186 00:09:49,625 --> 00:09:52,915 - She really loved the program. 187 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,210 She cared about people. 188 00:09:55,291 --> 00:09:58,581 She loved sponsoring new girls. 189 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:01,747 I think she knew that that was her purpose in life, 190 00:10:01,834 --> 00:10:04,334 you know, to help others. 191 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:09,245 People don't realize, when you lose one person, 192 00:10:09,333 --> 00:10:11,003 how much it affects 193 00:10:11,083 --> 00:10:13,383 so many other people, you know? 194 00:10:13,458 --> 00:10:17,038 - Do you think we'll ever find out who did it? 195 00:10:17,125 --> 00:10:19,125 - I hope in my lifetime. 196 00:10:19,208 --> 00:10:20,958 You know, I'm 65 years old. 197 00:10:21,041 --> 00:10:23,251 I don't know how much longer I'm gonna live. 198 00:10:23,333 --> 00:10:25,583 But I would really like to know. 199 00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:28,497 You have a lot more time than I do. 200 00:10:32,375 --> 00:10:34,535 You okay, man? - Yeah. 201 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:41,500 - [grunts] - This is just groceries. 202 00:10:41,583 --> 00:10:44,333 Mommy got some milk, some potatoes. 203 00:10:44,417 --> 00:10:46,747 - [babbling] 204 00:10:46,834 --> 00:10:48,964 - That's the chicken for dinner. 205 00:10:49,041 --> 00:10:50,631 narrator: As she lives her life 206 00:10:50,709 --> 00:10:53,169 as the woman American, 207 00:10:53,250 --> 00:10:56,330 we often seem to charge her with the responsibility 208 00:10:56,417 --> 00:10:59,577 of getting more out of the family purse 209 00:10:59,667 --> 00:11:02,037 than is there. 210 00:11:02,125 --> 00:11:05,665 Her art of working with the family 211 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:10,170 helps provide us with the daily necessities 212 00:11:10,250 --> 00:11:11,670 and, perhaps, 213 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:15,750 some of our delightful American privileges of life. 214 00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:19,670 - When she got sober, 215 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:22,540 was my dad paying any child support? 216 00:11:22,625 --> 00:11:24,205 - No. 217 00:11:24,291 --> 00:11:28,291 So she had nothing to help you two guys with. 218 00:11:28,375 --> 00:11:30,415 Nothing at all. 219 00:11:31,250 --> 00:11:35,630 - So how was she paying for us if she wasn't making money? 220 00:11:35,709 --> 00:11:38,999 - Your mother had an IRA 221 00:11:39,083 --> 00:11:40,673 that she was cashing out, 222 00:11:40,750 --> 00:11:44,130 and that's how she tried to make ends meet. 223 00:11:44,208 --> 00:11:46,378 - Is that why she joined the Tables? 224 00:11:46,458 --> 00:11:49,378 - Yes. She needed the money. 225 00:11:49,458 --> 00:11:55,328 ♪ ♪ 226 00:11:55,417 --> 00:11:57,537 - How did you meet Donna? 227 00:11:57,625 --> 00:12:00,535 - I became really introduced to her 228 00:12:00,625 --> 00:12:02,535 through the Gifting Tables. 229 00:12:02,625 --> 00:12:04,205 At that time, Donna was hosting 230 00:12:04,291 --> 00:12:07,751 all the Gifting Table parties at her house. 231 00:12:07,834 --> 00:12:10,294 - A mark. 232 00:12:11,792 --> 00:12:14,042 - I don't want you to hold back 233 00:12:14,125 --> 00:12:16,325 because I'm the person who's asking, 234 00:12:16,417 --> 00:12:17,327 if that makes sense. 235 00:12:17,417 --> 00:12:18,537 - Mm-hmm. 236 00:12:18,625 --> 00:12:20,375 By the way, I really loved your mother. 237 00:12:20,458 --> 00:12:21,378 - Yeah. 238 00:12:21,458 --> 00:12:23,378 - The whole thing was just so stupid. 239 00:12:23,458 --> 00:12:24,918 I mean, like, I'm the last person 240 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,540 who's a fraud. 241 00:12:26,625 --> 00:12:28,825 All right. - Dude, you look fine. 242 00:12:28,917 --> 00:12:30,707 - All right. 243 00:12:30,792 --> 00:12:33,582 - How long have you known my mom? 244 00:12:33,667 --> 00:12:36,077 - I met her 245 00:12:36,166 --> 00:12:39,246 early on in the Tables. 246 00:12:39,333 --> 00:12:42,293 I think it was 2007. 247 00:12:42,375 --> 00:12:45,785 I invited a woman who invited Jill. 248 00:12:45,875 --> 00:12:48,665 That's how I met Jill and your mother. 249 00:12:48,750 --> 00:12:52,380 And it was a community of women. 250 00:12:52,458 --> 00:12:55,418 And so I thought it was a great thing. 251 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:59,790 It was a very large part of my life. 252 00:12:59,875 --> 00:13:02,575 We raised money for so many people 253 00:13:02,667 --> 00:13:04,417 to help them. 254 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:07,040 It was a good thing. 255 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:16,287 [scanner whirs] 256 00:13:16,375 --> 00:13:18,125 - Check this out. 257 00:13:18,208 --> 00:13:21,668 [investigative music] 258 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:25,290 This is the amount of money 259 00:13:25,375 --> 00:13:27,495 that each woman made. 260 00:13:27,583 --> 00:13:31,133 ♪ ♪ 261 00:13:31,208 --> 00:13:32,288 Wow. 262 00:13:32,375 --> 00:13:34,785 That's crazy. 263 00:13:34,875 --> 00:13:36,325 - They are called gifting clubs. 264 00:13:36,417 --> 00:13:37,457 - Gifting circle. 265 00:13:37,542 --> 00:13:39,132 - Ring leaders are telling members 266 00:13:39,208 --> 00:13:42,128 they can take in an extra 80 grand in cash annually. 267 00:13:42,208 --> 00:13:45,668 - When women were invited to these Tuesday night events, 268 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:47,500 which were typically in someone's home, 269 00:13:47,583 --> 00:13:50,293 they would be told not to tell your husband, 270 00:13:50,375 --> 00:13:53,125 not to tell anybody about it afterwards. 271 00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:54,998 It was just women getting together, 272 00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:56,793 and it was all cash-based, 273 00:13:56,875 --> 00:13:58,955 and it was all terribly secret. 274 00:13:59,041 --> 00:14:00,631 - The talk was always about 275 00:14:00,709 --> 00:14:03,539 how to get more people into the food chain. 276 00:14:05,542 --> 00:14:07,082 [car door closes] 277 00:14:17,458 --> 00:14:19,038 - Should I stop filming now or can I keep going? 278 00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:20,415 - Keep going. 279 00:14:24,375 --> 00:14:27,665 - I have an appointment with Detective Mulhern. 280 00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:30,210 - Name? - Madison Hamburg. 281 00:14:31,125 --> 00:14:32,205 Awesome. 282 00:14:32,291 --> 00:14:34,921 Thank you so much. 283 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,290 - Okay. He's on his way out. 284 00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:37,415 - Okay, great. - Thank you. 285 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,330 - No, thank you. 286 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,040 - Hey. 287 00:14:42,125 --> 00:14:43,375 - Good. How are you? 288 00:14:43,458 --> 00:14:44,458 - Good to see you. 289 00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:49,420 - Where do you want me to sit? 290 00:14:51,458 --> 00:14:52,628 - Cool. 291 00:15:56,542 --> 00:16:00,132 - Madison's been in there for two hours 292 00:16:00,208 --> 00:16:03,328 when he was only scheduled to be in there for one hour. 293 00:16:03,417 --> 00:16:05,327 Um... 294 00:16:05,417 --> 00:16:08,327 [tense music] 295 00:17:20,291 --> 00:17:24,541 ♪ ♪ 296 00:17:24,625 --> 00:17:27,575 - [breathes deeply] 297 00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:34,627 ♪ ♪ 298 00:17:48,125 --> 00:17:50,035 Hello. How's it going? - Hi. How are you? 299 00:17:50,125 --> 00:17:51,415 - Good. How are you? - Come on in. 300 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:52,380 - Thanks. 301 00:17:52,458 --> 00:17:53,708 - How you doing on this hot day? 302 00:17:53,792 --> 00:17:55,382 - Good. Are we good to park over here? 303 00:17:55,458 --> 00:17:56,748 - Yeah, you're fine. 304 00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,424 - Cool. - Yeah, come on in. 305 00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:03,540 - So when did you become close with my mom? 306 00:18:03,625 --> 00:18:05,915 - When she moved up here permanently. 307 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,210 I got closer with her, actually, 308 00:18:08,291 --> 00:18:10,921 when I went to a couple of the Gifting Table meetings. 309 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,170 - Okay, so what is a gifting table? 310 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,540 [soft jazzy music] 311 00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:17,075 narrator: If you are going to give a party, 312 00:18:17,166 --> 00:18:19,576 plan that party around a purpose. 313 00:18:19,667 --> 00:18:21,287 [woman laughing and chattering] 314 00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:23,745 - They called it a sisterhood. It was beautiful. 315 00:18:23,834 --> 00:18:27,134 It was like, you walk in, everybody was, like-- 316 00:18:27,208 --> 00:18:30,998 greeted you and they were kind and they were supportive. 317 00:18:31,083 --> 00:18:32,173 narrator: Plan for refreshments 318 00:18:32,250 --> 00:18:33,460 and entertainment. 319 00:18:33,542 --> 00:18:34,882 - With the Gifting Tables, 320 00:18:34,959 --> 00:18:38,169 you joined with a $5,000 gift to a woman. 321 00:18:39,542 --> 00:18:42,212 That put you in a bottom row position, 322 00:18:42,291 --> 00:18:44,961 which we had called appetizers, 323 00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:46,921 and then you were asked to find one or two people, 324 00:18:47,041 --> 00:18:50,001 preferably two, to follow you, 325 00:18:50,083 --> 00:18:53,793 and then you, as an appetizer, moved up to the next level, 326 00:18:53,875 --> 00:18:55,995 which we called the soup and salad level. 327 00:18:56,083 --> 00:18:57,583 You already have your two people behind you. 328 00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:58,627 Your job is done. 329 00:18:58,709 --> 00:18:59,999 You're just there to support 330 00:19:00,083 --> 00:19:01,333 the people that are behind you 331 00:19:01,417 --> 00:19:02,957 and make them successful. 332 00:19:03,041 --> 00:19:05,131 Now you move up to the next entrée position, 333 00:19:05,208 --> 00:19:06,458 and you needed to have eight people 334 00:19:06,542 --> 00:19:08,382 in the appetizer position. 335 00:19:10,834 --> 00:19:12,084 And then you're in the position 336 00:19:12,166 --> 00:19:15,246 to actually receive the eight gifts. 337 00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:17,133 - Five times eight. [cash register chimes] 338 00:19:17,208 --> 00:19:18,958 $40,000. [cheers and applause] 339 00:19:19,041 --> 00:19:20,921 Dessert is receiving. 340 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,670 It's when you get your just desserts. 341 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:26,960 [shady music] 342 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:30,211 narrator: Make sure the party is fun for everyone. 343 00:19:30,291 --> 00:19:32,461 - The night you would get gifted, 344 00:19:32,542 --> 00:19:34,172 everybody was so creative. 345 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:37,670 One girl put all the hundreds 346 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:39,500 in a balloon 347 00:19:39,583 --> 00:19:41,883 and then popped it, and all the money flew. 348 00:19:41,959 --> 00:19:46,329 One woman made a necklace out of the money. 349 00:19:46,417 --> 00:19:48,827 - I remember the first time I brought cash home 350 00:19:48,917 --> 00:19:50,207 and I showed it to Ed. 351 00:19:50,291 --> 00:19:51,461 I just threw it on the bed 352 00:19:51,542 --> 00:19:53,382 and the $100 bills were just going all over the place. 353 00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:56,128 He said, "You mean this actually works?" 354 00:19:56,208 --> 00:19:57,828 [laughs] 355 00:19:57,917 --> 00:20:00,707 It was a lot of fun. I mean, it really was. 356 00:20:00,792 --> 00:20:02,002 Think about it. 357 00:20:02,083 --> 00:20:05,503 Just raining $100 bills all the time. 358 00:20:05,583 --> 00:20:06,883 - Now the tables fall. 359 00:20:06,959 --> 00:20:08,669 Everyone's gifted. 360 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:11,670 She goes off and follows the person that brought her. 361 00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:14,540 There goes her two women behind her. 362 00:20:14,625 --> 00:20:16,165 And then it starts all over again. 363 00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:18,250 So you have to bring people in. 364 00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:21,333 - Right. - Otherwise, it's gonna die. 365 00:20:21,417 --> 00:20:23,037 - You have to understand the timing here. 366 00:20:23,125 --> 00:20:25,535 - Now it's official. We are in a recession. 367 00:20:25,625 --> 00:20:28,825 - Jobless claims hit a 26-year high. 368 00:20:28,917 --> 00:20:31,207 - So this is the early part of 2008. 369 00:20:31,291 --> 00:20:33,131 Everybody needed money. 370 00:20:33,208 --> 00:20:36,128 People were losing their jobs left and right. 371 00:20:36,208 --> 00:20:37,248 They were terrified. 372 00:20:37,333 --> 00:20:38,753 How were they gonna make ends meet? 373 00:20:38,834 --> 00:20:42,004 They came on the Table, they weren't afraid anymore. 374 00:20:42,083 --> 00:20:43,083 I needed money just to pay 375 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,376 for your uncle's health insurance, 376 00:20:44,458 --> 00:20:46,038 and that was the main reason why I was doing it, 377 00:20:46,125 --> 00:20:47,995 because, you know, we had to pay 378 00:20:48,083 --> 00:20:50,253 $2,300 a month just for health insurance, 379 00:20:50,333 --> 00:20:52,253 and that wasn't with medication. 380 00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:55,753 I will have to say, if you give a person hope, 381 00:20:55,834 --> 00:20:57,214 you change their life. 382 00:20:57,291 --> 00:20:58,461 I saw miracles happen. 383 00:20:58,542 --> 00:21:00,922 Conway was a miracle. 384 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,750 - So who invited you? 385 00:21:02,834 --> 00:21:05,384 - Your mother 386 00:21:05,458 --> 00:21:07,878 and my aunt Jill. 387 00:21:07,959 --> 00:21:09,749 I was, like, coming into my own 388 00:21:09,834 --> 00:21:11,214 for the first time in my life 389 00:21:11,291 --> 00:21:13,421 and feeling a lot of support. 390 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,790 It was different from AA. 391 00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:17,785 That's about staying sober. 392 00:21:17,875 --> 00:21:22,455 This is about how to live life and, you know, 393 00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:25,542 be a strong, healthy, happy woman. 394 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:29,080 - I gotta tell you something. 395 00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,916 This is something that most guys don't get. 396 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,830 It's really something that women get. 397 00:21:34,917 --> 00:21:36,957 Women get this, but guys don't get this. 398 00:21:37,041 --> 00:21:41,081 This gifting club and that sorority kind of a thing, 399 00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:43,126 they don't get it. 400 00:21:43,208 --> 00:21:45,628 - Did Chris know about the Tables? 401 00:21:45,709 --> 00:21:48,629 - We did tell him. 402 00:21:48,709 --> 00:21:49,919 He didn't like it at all. 403 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,130 - I'm like, "That is-- what are you doing? 404 00:21:53,208 --> 00:21:55,078 You're gonna get in trouble for that." 405 00:21:55,166 --> 00:21:56,416 She's like, "Absolutely not." 406 00:21:56,500 --> 00:21:58,000 - And I assured him. [laughs] 407 00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:59,293 I said, you know, 408 00:21:59,375 --> 00:22:01,665 "Honest, Chris, it's totally legal." 409 00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:04,000 [laughs] 410 00:22:04,083 --> 00:22:06,083 He said, "I don't know. I don't know. 411 00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:08,376 It's kinda scary." 412 00:22:09,875 --> 00:22:12,455 - Their MO was, "What we're doing is legal, 413 00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:13,962 but we don't want it to become illegal," 414 00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:15,751 and so that's why they did all these weird things, 415 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:17,544 like have codewords for stuff. 416 00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:19,165 - We don't recruit. 417 00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:20,500 We invite. 418 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:21,673 It is not an investment. 419 00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:23,710 Don't ever tell anybody it's an investment. 420 00:22:23,792 --> 00:22:25,212 It's a gift. 421 00:22:25,291 --> 00:22:27,211 - And my mom used to keep, 422 00:22:27,291 --> 00:22:29,791 like, tens of thousands of dollars 423 00:22:29,875 --> 00:22:32,325 in the freezer at home in bags. 424 00:22:32,417 --> 00:22:33,497 I remember that. 425 00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:34,793 They were exercising 426 00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:36,495 what they thought was a tax loophole. 427 00:22:36,583 --> 00:22:40,793 They're essentially mini pyramids, more or less, 428 00:22:40,875 --> 00:22:43,705 with the main difference being you got in, you got out. 429 00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:46,172 You got in, you got out. You got in, you got out. 430 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:48,710 But in order for them to work, more people had to join. 431 00:22:48,792 --> 00:22:50,382 Right? 432 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:57,540 - So I'm a new member. 433 00:22:57,625 --> 00:22:59,455 How do you introduce me? 434 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:03,210 narrator: Choose your guests carefully. 435 00:23:03,291 --> 00:23:05,711 - I'll pretend you're my sister. 436 00:23:05,792 --> 00:23:09,382 You know that group of women that I've been involved with? 437 00:23:09,458 --> 00:23:12,708 Well, it'll be a great group of women for you. 438 00:23:12,792 --> 00:23:14,132 Very supportive. 439 00:23:14,208 --> 00:23:16,668 She said, "Well, would I actually make any money?" 440 00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:18,420 I said, "I haven't been in a table 441 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,380 that somebody didn't make something." 442 00:23:20,458 --> 00:23:22,168 - If they seemed excited 443 00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:24,750 and didn't know how to get the money, 444 00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:27,134 suggestions were made. 445 00:23:27,208 --> 00:23:28,958 Like, maybe you could refinance your house 446 00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,501 or their boat or whatever they might have. 447 00:23:31,583 --> 00:23:34,333 Is there equity in something? 448 00:23:36,125 --> 00:23:39,075 - And then it made a leap about three or four years ago 449 00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:43,456 to Avon, Farmington, Simsbury, Canton, West Hartford. 450 00:23:43,542 --> 00:23:46,252 That's when I started to say, "Oh, my gosh. 451 00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:48,673 Someone's going to get in trouble here." 452 00:23:51,667 --> 00:23:54,877 - Your mom had a ton of people that followed her, 453 00:23:54,959 --> 00:23:56,879 and she had a ton of AA people that followed her. 454 00:23:56,959 --> 00:23:58,079 - Really? 455 00:23:58,166 --> 00:24:00,626 - That caused, I think, problems elsewhere. 456 00:24:00,709 --> 00:24:02,079 - Within AA probably? 457 00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:04,286 - Yeah, I don't think that it was-- 458 00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:06,705 I think it was frowned upon to bring that there. 459 00:24:07,875 --> 00:24:10,075 - Did you know about the Gifting Tables 460 00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:12,036 after the murder? 461 00:24:12,125 --> 00:24:14,075 - I knew about them before the murder. 462 00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:17,206 A number of people I knew were involved. 463 00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:20,461 At least one person felt 464 00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:23,502 that your mom had recruited people 465 00:24:23,583 --> 00:24:26,213 that she knew through the program. 466 00:24:28,917 --> 00:24:31,627 - Your mom's group grew, like, so large. 467 00:24:31,709 --> 00:24:35,459 And then she became the Donna. 468 00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:36,752 - Oh. That makes sense. 469 00:24:36,834 --> 00:24:39,254 - Because she was the one that they would all follow. 470 00:24:39,333 --> 00:24:40,293 Because they would split off, 471 00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:42,955 then she was Donna in that group. 472 00:24:43,041 --> 00:24:45,131 The network was a big thing 'cause they wanted to grow. 473 00:24:45,208 --> 00:24:46,418 You know, 'cause if it doesn't grow, 474 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:48,500 it's not gonna work, right? 475 00:24:48,583 --> 00:24:51,333 - Did anybody realize how big it was going to get? 476 00:24:51,417 --> 00:24:53,917 - No, I don't think so. 477 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,290 It was so funny because, like, you could drive down the street 478 00:24:56,375 --> 00:24:58,625 on a Monday night and you would be like, 479 00:24:58,709 --> 00:25:00,169 "Oh, look at all the cars at that house. 480 00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:01,670 I bet you there's a women's meeting there." 481 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:03,000 Like, people knew! - Wow. 482 00:25:03,083 --> 00:25:05,463 - You know, like, that's how it was. 483 00:25:05,542 --> 00:25:07,882 But then it got out of control. 484 00:25:07,959 --> 00:25:10,789 People were inviting everybody. 485 00:25:10,875 --> 00:25:14,575 - It started to get scary when the group got big. 486 00:25:14,667 --> 00:25:16,327 I mean, there would be-- there was one night 487 00:25:16,417 --> 00:25:19,667 where we had, like, $90,000 in this house, 488 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:22,170 and it's a bad economy. 489 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:25,330 And I said, "You know, people could start 490 00:25:25,417 --> 00:25:26,827 getting hurt here." 491 00:25:26,917 --> 00:25:28,667 And so there was more of a need 492 00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:32,170 to be very cautious and quiet about these parties 493 00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:34,130 and who was being invited. 494 00:25:34,208 --> 00:25:38,458 And so we didn't just invite anybody to come. 495 00:25:39,959 --> 00:25:42,129 - They tried to target people 496 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,378 who could afford the $5,000, 497 00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:46,378 but if you think about that, 498 00:25:46,458 --> 00:25:49,038 at some point, the game has to-- 499 00:25:49,125 --> 00:25:51,915 if you want the game to go on, you have to go to people 500 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,080 that don't necessarily have the means, 501 00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:55,996 and you're gonna end up getting somebody 502 00:25:56,083 --> 00:25:57,923 who really needed that $5,000, 503 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,040 and that meant a lot more to them 504 00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,875 than it means to someone who's got it sitting around. 505 00:26:03,959 --> 00:26:07,499 - Well, I then saw an online alert 506 00:26:07,583 --> 00:26:10,043 about something called the Gifting Table, 507 00:26:10,125 --> 00:26:13,825 and that it was a pyramid scheme, 508 00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:15,747 and there were those terms. 509 00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:19,384 Appetizer, soup and salad, entrée, dessert. 510 00:26:19,458 --> 00:26:21,208 And all the pieces fell in together 511 00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:22,541 in just a microsecond, 512 00:26:22,625 --> 00:26:24,535 and I thought, "Oh, boy." 513 00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,285 - The money that they are taking out, 514 00:26:26,375 --> 00:26:29,915 the $40,000, they're not paying taxes on, 515 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,380 and so many of these conversations 516 00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:34,248 about this pyramid scheme 517 00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:36,923 taking place through e-mails and over the phone. 518 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,130 - That's wire fraud. 519 00:26:39,208 --> 00:26:41,578 Anyone who was at the dessert level 520 00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,457 in Central Connecticut, 521 00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:45,792 they know who they are. 522 00:26:45,875 --> 00:26:48,785 [tense music] 523 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:50,785 ♪ ♪ 524 00:26:50,875 --> 00:26:53,535 - Someone made a call to the attorney general. 525 00:26:53,625 --> 00:26:56,535 And then that's how it all started. 526 00:26:56,625 --> 00:26:58,575 - What was the announcement on the TV? 527 00:26:58,667 --> 00:27:02,077 - Oh, it was that there was an illegal Ponzi scheme 528 00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:04,916 running on the shoreline 529 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,920 called the Gifting Tables. 530 00:27:07,041 --> 00:27:08,961 I was like, "Oh, my God. 531 00:27:09,041 --> 00:27:10,581 Like, illegal"-- you know what I mean? 532 00:27:10,667 --> 00:27:13,247 Like, I was floored by it. 533 00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:16,503 I'm telling you, I think that it just scared a lot of people. 534 00:27:16,583 --> 00:27:23,583 ♪ ♪ 535 00:27:26,041 --> 00:27:28,001 - Thank you so much for making time for us. 536 00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:32,627 I've been making this documentary 537 00:27:32,709 --> 00:27:35,169 since my mother was murdered ten years ago. 538 00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:36,790 I've been making it for the past six years. 539 00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:39,625 - Yeah, I'm sorry about your mom's death. 540 00:27:39,709 --> 00:27:40,789 - Thank you. 541 00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:43,285 - And I guess it still hasn't really been-- 542 00:27:43,375 --> 00:27:46,205 - It's still unsolved. - Solved, yeah. 543 00:27:46,291 --> 00:27:50,171 - As you may know, she was a part of the Gifting Tables. 544 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:53,500 So what sparked the investigation 545 00:27:53,583 --> 00:27:55,173 back in 2009? 546 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:56,750 - There were complainants. 547 00:27:56,834 --> 00:27:58,504 There were enough complainants 548 00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,333 that it was really having an impact. 549 00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:03,667 We felt strongly that we had to act to protect others, 550 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,540 if only to warn them that the likelihood 551 00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:09,625 of their actually making money here 552 00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:11,879 was very, very remote. 553 00:28:11,959 --> 00:28:15,789 What struck me about the Gifting Table was 554 00:28:15,875 --> 00:28:17,495 the abuse of trust. 555 00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:20,003 Women were enticed to join 556 00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:24,463 with this promise of sisterhood and bonding, 557 00:28:24,542 --> 00:28:28,332 and some of them actually exploited friends, 558 00:28:28,417 --> 00:28:29,667 perhaps unknowingly-- 559 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,210 one who asked 560 00:28:31,291 --> 00:28:35,211 her fellow AA members to join, 561 00:28:35,291 --> 00:28:37,081 the urging 562 00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:40,206 that people take a second mortgage, 563 00:28:40,291 --> 00:28:41,581 sell their car, 564 00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:43,327 ask relatives 565 00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:46,417 for early inheritance. 566 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,710 Really striking people where they lived. 567 00:28:49,792 --> 00:28:51,382 It had an emotional element 568 00:28:51,458 --> 00:28:54,748 that was unusual for a pyramid scheme. 569 00:28:54,834 --> 00:29:00,214 ♪ ♪ 570 00:29:00,291 --> 00:29:02,421 - Did you see Jill's note? - Yeah. 571 00:29:04,125 --> 00:29:05,285 - Oh, really? 572 00:29:10,208 --> 00:29:13,578 - This is November 14th, 2009. 573 00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:16,037 Subject: We win as one. 574 00:29:22,875 --> 00:29:23,995 I wonder who she is. 575 00:29:26,709 --> 00:29:28,579 "Really, it's not even a misdemeanor. 576 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:30,287 "Be happy. All is good. 577 00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:32,075 Love you. Really, I do." 578 00:29:32,166 --> 00:29:33,076 Okay. 579 00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:34,246 This is in response 580 00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:36,043 to the attorney general in Madison. 581 00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:37,915 "What happened is the result of a situation 582 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,580 "that was put into motion some months ago 583 00:29:39,667 --> 00:29:40,877 "by an anonymous woman 584 00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:42,419 "who went to the attorney general's office 585 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,580 "stating that she had been scammed, 586 00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:46,167 "lost money, et cetera, et cetera, 587 00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:49,380 "and showed that office many of our sacred guidelines. 588 00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:52,418 Blumenthal's office now feels they must investigate." 589 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:57,580 ♪ ♪ 590 00:29:57,667 --> 00:29:59,827 - Once that attorney general call went in, 591 00:29:59,917 --> 00:30:02,457 I think everybody was like, "See ya later." 592 00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:04,292 - Really? - Oh, I think a lot--yeah. 593 00:30:04,375 --> 00:30:06,955 Yeah, I think a lot of people were like, "No way." 594 00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:08,541 They were afraid, 'cause then at that point-- 595 00:30:08,625 --> 00:30:09,785 - There was an investigation. 596 00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,625 - I think people were questioning the legality of it. 597 00:30:11,709 --> 00:30:14,079 Because I don't think people even thought about it before. 598 00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:15,626 What happened was, 599 00:30:15,709 --> 00:30:18,129 one of the women complained about Barb. 600 00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:19,788 - Ah. - That group is the one 601 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:21,575 that called the attorney general. 602 00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:23,077 - My mom's? - Yeah. 603 00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,746 And then everyone was mad at her. 604 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,790 - Your mother told me 605 00:30:31,875 --> 00:30:33,325 that she wished she had never asked 606 00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:36,537 her friends from AA to be a part of it, 607 00:30:36,625 --> 00:30:39,375 because it got out of hand. 608 00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:40,418 And there were some women 609 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:41,920 who were maybe not healthy enough 610 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000 to do the tables. 611 00:30:44,083 --> 00:30:46,543 And then they got angry, and then they started to-- 612 00:30:46,625 --> 00:30:49,495 you know, it became a real quagmire. 613 00:30:49,583 --> 00:30:53,003 And then the badmouthing against your mom 614 00:30:53,083 --> 00:30:55,833 for "preying" on women 615 00:30:55,917 --> 00:30:58,327 in AA for this. 616 00:30:58,417 --> 00:31:01,917 They really made a stink. 617 00:31:04,458 --> 00:31:06,828 - So my mother was actually one of the women 618 00:31:06,917 --> 00:31:10,207 who was inviting people through Alcoholics Anonymous. 619 00:31:10,291 --> 00:31:12,671 Where is the line crossed 620 00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:16,000 between people who are victims 621 00:31:16,083 --> 00:31:19,583 and people who are, I guess, criminals? 622 00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:22,417 - Well, let me talk in general. 623 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,250 Pyramid schemes, 624 00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:27,003 in the end, they are doomed to collapse. 625 00:31:27,083 --> 00:31:29,713 Someone is bound to walk away, 626 00:31:29,792 --> 00:31:31,832 in effect, defrauded. 627 00:31:31,917 --> 00:31:34,537 The people who knowingly 628 00:31:34,625 --> 00:31:38,035 and deliberately profit from the schemes 629 00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:41,745 are criminal in their intent. 630 00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,884 Others who are victims, 631 00:31:43,959 --> 00:31:46,079 in effect, are chewed up by them. 632 00:31:46,166 --> 00:31:50,876 ♪ ♪ 633 00:31:50,959 --> 00:31:52,709 [women chattering indistinctly] 634 00:31:52,792 --> 00:31:55,422 - Okay, everybody's-- come sit, honey. 635 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:56,880 Or get a more comfortable chair 636 00:31:56,959 --> 00:31:58,079 and bring it over. 637 00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:01,376 [indistinct chatter] 638 00:32:44,375 --> 00:32:45,745 - How do I share my screen? 639 00:32:48,291 --> 00:32:49,501 - Yeah, I got it. 640 00:32:51,375 --> 00:32:53,075 Do you see my beautiful face? 641 00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,125 - "Log into Facebook 642 00:32:57,208 --> 00:32:59,578 using the following code as your password." 643 00:32:59,667 --> 00:33:01,877 [keyboard clicking] 644 00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,081 - Holy shit, dude. 645 00:33:11,166 --> 00:33:12,786 This is insane. 646 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:16,205 Feels really weird logging in as my mom. 647 00:33:17,709 --> 00:33:19,999 I mean, just feel like a mindfuck. 648 00:33:20,083 --> 00:33:21,713 [soft foreboding music] 649 00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:27,133 Oh, my God. 650 00:33:27,208 --> 00:33:31,498 There's unread messages from before she died. 651 00:33:31,583 --> 00:33:33,173 So there's no way 652 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:35,500 the police have seen this, dude, right? 653 00:33:35,583 --> 00:33:37,503 - Correct. 654 00:33:37,583 --> 00:33:40,213 - I wonder what that message is. 655 00:33:40,291 --> 00:33:42,881 "Cathy gave me 20 for..." 656 00:33:42,959 --> 00:33:44,879 I wonder if that had to do with the Tables. 657 00:33:44,959 --> 00:33:46,209 - Yeah. 658 00:33:46,291 --> 00:33:48,881 - Am I, like, tampering with evidence right now? 659 00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:53,209 ♪ ♪ 660 00:33:53,291 --> 00:33:55,501 Did she ever express any safety concerns? 661 00:33:55,583 --> 00:33:56,713 - Yes, she did. 662 00:33:56,792 --> 00:33:59,542 She said that... 663 00:33:59,625 --> 00:34:03,665 she felt she was being watched... 664 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:06,250 a lot, I wanna say, 665 00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:08,583 those last couple months. 666 00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:11,077 And your mom was in the receiving position 667 00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:12,416 when she was murdered. 668 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,500 So she was a dessert. - Oh, wow, I didn't know that. 669 00:34:14,583 --> 00:34:15,963 - Yep. 670 00:34:17,834 --> 00:34:21,334 - Do you ever wonder, like, who could've done it? 671 00:34:23,083 --> 00:34:24,253 - Yeah. 672 00:34:52,792 --> 00:34:55,422 - So I used to do repairs, all that type of stuff. 673 00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:57,710 Last thing I did was put the mailbox up for her 674 00:34:57,792 --> 00:35:00,922 the day before all this happened. 675 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,130 Somebody had broke it off and took it. 676 00:35:04,208 --> 00:35:11,208 ♪ ♪ 677 00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:19,252 - What is this? 678 00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,083 February 14th. 679 00:35:21,166 --> 00:35:24,036 "Jill and I are split. 680 00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:25,785 "She made it formal, 681 00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:27,285 "and I just wanted to keep it friendly, 682 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,665 "and so far, it doesn't appear she does. 683 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:31,750 "Her other problem... 684 00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:35,544 "her other problem and Shelley and I 685 00:35:35,625 --> 00:35:37,165 "want to continue to travel together, 686 00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:39,170 and Auntie isn't happy with that." 687 00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:42,460 ♪ ♪ 688 00:35:42,542 --> 00:35:44,752 "Jill and I are split." 689 00:35:47,083 --> 00:35:48,923 [sighs] 690 00:35:56,709 --> 00:35:59,329 I went through my mom's Facebook 691 00:35:59,417 --> 00:36:00,627 Who is--or what is that? 692 00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:01,789 - "She made it formal, 693 00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,125 "and I just wanted to keep it friendly, 694 00:36:03,208 --> 00:36:07,248 and so far, it doesn't appear she does." 695 00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,003 Oh, yeah. 696 00:36:10,083 --> 00:36:11,833 There was this big e-mail that went out 697 00:36:11,917 --> 00:36:14,327 that Barb's group is the group of Madison. 698 00:36:14,417 --> 00:36:16,747 Jill, like, cut her off. 699 00:36:16,834 --> 00:36:20,334 Like, told her--like, sent her on her own, kind of. 700 00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,787 - Oh. - Jill didn't tell you that? 701 00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:25,995 - So why did Jill wanna split? 702 00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:29,463 - Your mom and Conway decided 703 00:36:29,542 --> 00:36:33,292 they wanted to invite Tracy, my aunt, 704 00:36:33,375 --> 00:36:34,825 Jill's other sister. 705 00:36:34,917 --> 00:36:35,827 - Mm-hmm. 706 00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:37,037 - She could never invite a woman. 707 00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:38,785 And that's what they were getting mad at. 708 00:36:38,875 --> 00:36:41,705 They felt that they were just inviting anybody on 709 00:36:41,792 --> 00:36:43,042 just to gift. 710 00:36:43,125 --> 00:36:46,665 So Jill's whole holy side was getting mad at Barb's side, 711 00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:48,830 who was actually just trying to get women 712 00:36:48,917 --> 00:36:50,667 and bring 'em in and whatever. 713 00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:51,710 - Yeah. 714 00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:53,882 - And so it turned into a big debacle. 715 00:36:53,959 --> 00:36:56,789 Jill just then split. - Wow. 716 00:36:57,959 --> 00:37:00,789 What was your relationship with Jill like? 717 00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,128 - Who invited you to the Tables? 718 00:37:31,792 --> 00:37:34,422 - Tracy and I don't get along. Never have. 719 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,790 I didn't think my sister was appropriate for the Tables. 720 00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:42,245 They had my sister join their table, 721 00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:43,793 and my mother was sort of 722 00:37:43,875 --> 00:37:46,285 just trying to push my sister along. 723 00:37:46,375 --> 00:37:49,535 Yeah, I said, "Mom, who does she know 724 00:37:49,625 --> 00:37:50,745 that would be appropriate?" 725 00:37:50,834 --> 00:37:51,964 She said, "Oh, nobody. 726 00:37:52,041 --> 00:37:53,131 Her friends don't have any money." 727 00:37:53,208 --> 00:37:57,748 And I said, "And so, she's gonna be successful how? 728 00:37:57,834 --> 00:37:59,924 "She doesn't have a job, 729 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,460 "she's depressed, 730 00:38:01,542 --> 00:38:03,252 "and she doesn't have any friends with any money, 731 00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:05,463 so how is she gonna be-- how's she gonna do this?" 732 00:38:05,542 --> 00:38:07,252 You can't invite anybody. 733 00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:10,293 It has to be somebody who has a chance at being successful. 734 00:38:10,375 --> 00:38:13,125 We're not just trying to get money for people. 735 00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:16,788 But as soon as they had their way, 736 00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:18,075 they could do anything. 737 00:38:18,166 --> 00:38:20,666 They did what they wanted to do to get the money. 738 00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:24,330 ♪ ♪ 739 00:38:24,417 --> 00:38:28,667 - Jill was pissed. Sent out a fucking e-mail. 740 00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:30,630 Said, "Fuck it." 741 00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:35,039 And it panicked a lot of the girls who were... 742 00:38:35,125 --> 00:38:37,125 Jill's Tables or Barb's Tables or-- 743 00:38:37,208 --> 00:38:39,458 everybody was kind of blended, 744 00:38:39,542 --> 00:38:41,792 and so to split was weird, 745 00:38:41,875 --> 00:38:46,245 and it caused a lot of fear and confusion. 746 00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:48,003 [tense music] 747 00:38:48,083 --> 00:38:50,503 - Did my mom and Jill ever, like, 748 00:38:50,583 --> 00:38:52,293 talk after the split, or-- 749 00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:54,665 - No, I don't think they did. 750 00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:59,170 So that e-mail was, I think, in February. 751 00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:00,210 - Oh. 752 00:39:00,291 --> 00:39:02,541 - And Mom was in-- 753 00:39:02,625 --> 00:39:04,035 she was murdered in March. 754 00:39:04,125 --> 00:39:05,785 - Right. - Right. So March 3rd? 755 00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:06,995 - Mm-hmm. - Right? 756 00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:08,883 So yeah, there wasn't a lot of time 757 00:39:08,959 --> 00:39:11,629 in between the e-mail and that. 758 00:39:11,709 --> 00:39:14,079 [insects chittering] 759 00:39:14,166 --> 00:39:15,786 - Where did my mom keep her money? 760 00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:18,035 - In the safe in the house. 761 00:39:18,125 --> 00:39:20,785 - How much money do you think was in the safe? 762 00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:23,495 - I will say anywhere from 5,000 to 20,000. 763 00:39:23,583 --> 00:39:25,383 - Could it have been more? 764 00:39:25,458 --> 00:39:27,038 - Sure. 765 00:39:27,125 --> 00:39:29,665 - Did she ever move the money? 766 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:32,790 - I do remember your mom digging a hole. 767 00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:35,665 She said she put it in there. 768 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:38,710 But at some point, she got paranoid that 769 00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:43,002 that money was gonna be taken from her. 770 00:39:43,083 --> 00:39:45,673 - Why was she so paranoid? 771 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:48,540 Did something happen? 772 00:39:48,625 --> 00:39:53,245 - She...she was with 773 00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:54,753 someone from AA, 774 00:39:54,834 --> 00:39:57,674 and I had heard that they saw, like, 775 00:39:57,750 --> 00:40:00,500 a guy wearing a ski mask walk through the yard, 776 00:40:00,583 --> 00:40:02,793 but they didn't call the police. 777 00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:09,076 - I heard that 778 00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:12,876 you and my mom witnessed a man wearing a ski mask 779 00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:16,039 walk through our yard on 44 Middle Beach? 780 00:40:16,125 --> 00:40:17,825 - Right. 781 00:40:17,917 --> 00:40:20,077 It was the day before she was murdered. 782 00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:22,916 - The day before she was killed? 783 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,330 - Yes. 784 00:40:24,417 --> 00:40:27,037 - That's terrifying. 785 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:28,995 - We were having a luncheon. 786 00:40:29,083 --> 00:40:30,883 Out of my left field vision, 787 00:40:30,959 --> 00:40:34,079 I saw a gentlemen in a black ski mask 788 00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:37,376 walk from the left of the windows in the front 789 00:40:37,458 --> 00:40:39,418 going towards East Wharf Road. 790 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,250 - Down the driveway or-- - Yes. 791 00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:43,793 - And he was look-- he looked into the house? 792 00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:45,825 - Right. - Oh, my God. 793 00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:49,917 - You know, Madison, I gotta tell you, 794 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,580 you know, when that fight happened 795 00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,247 between Jill and Barb, 796 00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:58,883 it really tore us apart. 797 00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:03,749 - Did Aunt Jill and my mom... 798 00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,754 - They never made up prior to that. 799 00:41:06,834 --> 00:41:08,674 Never. 800 00:41:13,375 --> 00:41:15,455 - Did you have anything to do with the murder? 801 00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:17,252 - No. [laughs] 802 00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:20,833 - I have to ask everyone. - That's okay. 803 00:41:20,917 --> 00:41:22,577 No. No. 804 00:41:22,667 --> 00:41:24,417 That was--it would've been impossible anyway, 805 00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:26,330 but no. 806 00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:28,787 Mm-mm. No. 807 00:41:28,875 --> 00:41:32,745 Because we were starting a road trip on the third 808 00:41:32,834 --> 00:41:34,794 with your grandmother. 809 00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:38,785 And we decided we were gonna get up really early 810 00:41:38,875 --> 00:41:41,785 to avoid hitting any traffic, and by 4:00, 811 00:41:41,875 --> 00:41:43,825 we were in the car and heading down there. 812 00:41:43,917 --> 00:41:45,667 4:00 in the morning. 813 00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:49,210 So we got to your grandmother 814 00:41:49,291 --> 00:41:51,461 by 10:00 in the morning. 815 00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:54,002 - Did the police interrogate you? 816 00:41:54,083 --> 00:41:57,383 - The police interrogated me as soon as possible. 817 00:41:57,458 --> 00:42:00,168 "And where were you?" "Well, I was in a car. 818 00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,330 You can check my Speedpass if you want," you know? 819 00:42:03,417 --> 00:42:06,417 But yeah, I think I was their first major suspect 820 00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:08,670 because of this Gifting Table thing 821 00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:11,830 and there's--being this little rift between us 822 00:42:11,917 --> 00:42:14,667 at that moment in time. 823 00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:16,170 But it was very obvious 824 00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:18,750 that I couldn't possibly be there. 825 00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:23,495 - Okay. 826 00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:25,423 I'm gonna take a break. 827 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,130 - All right. 828 00:42:30,458 --> 00:42:33,208 I can't believe you're asking all these questions. 829 00:42:33,291 --> 00:42:35,081 Oh, Maddy. 830 00:42:35,166 --> 00:42:38,206 Quite the quest here, baby. 831 00:42:38,291 --> 00:42:39,791 Don't know how you do it. 832 00:42:44,625 --> 00:42:46,245 [baby Madison babbling] 833 00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:47,883 - Maddy! 834 00:42:47,959 --> 00:42:50,209 Madison. 835 00:42:50,291 --> 00:42:53,421 [tense music] 836 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,210 Hi. 837 00:42:55,291 --> 00:42:56,881 [laughter] 838 00:42:56,959 --> 00:42:58,079 - Whoo! - [laughs] 839 00:42:58,166 --> 00:42:59,576 - Barbara Hamburg-- - Was found dead on her lawn-- 840 00:42:59,667 --> 00:43:01,327 - Dead at the scene. 841 00:43:07,792 --> 00:43:08,922 - Hi. 842 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,080 [indistinct whispering] 843 00:43:11,166 --> 00:43:13,166 - No. Why would I be up there? 844 00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:17,834 - I didn't understand. 845 00:43:19,834 --> 00:43:21,674 Give me a hug. 846 00:43:31,625 --> 00:43:34,625 [somber music] 847 00:43:34,709 --> 00:43:36,379 ♪ ♪ 848 00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:41,125 - Yeah. 849 00:43:43,667 --> 00:43:45,747 When everything happened, 850 00:43:45,834 --> 00:43:49,334 I was, like, afraid of losing her. 851 00:43:52,041 --> 00:43:55,381 I would practice visualizing her face. 852 00:43:57,542 --> 00:43:59,172 And I'd call her cell phone 853 00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:01,380 just so I could hear her voice. 854 00:44:01,458 --> 00:44:04,128 Snowflakes. - Snowflakes! 855 00:44:04,208 --> 00:44:05,418 ♪ Snowing ♪ 856 00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:07,210 ♪ It's snowing ♪ 857 00:44:07,291 --> 00:44:09,961 Look at those big blue eyes. 858 00:44:10,041 --> 00:44:13,791 - Just desperate attempts of not losing someone. 859 00:44:13,875 --> 00:44:16,455 - What a beautiful boy. 860 00:44:16,542 --> 00:44:19,172 What a beautiful boy. 861 00:44:21,375 --> 00:44:24,955 - Anyone I could turn to as, like, someone to lean on 862 00:44:25,041 --> 00:44:28,831 or someone to, like, help me through, 863 00:44:28,917 --> 00:44:31,537 the person I'm turning to could've orchestrated 864 00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,825 or done this. 865 00:44:33,917 --> 00:44:35,127 Could've ruined my life. 866 00:44:35,208 --> 00:44:39,168 ♪ ♪ 867 00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:42,460 Sometimes, you just feel kind of alone. 868 00:44:42,542 --> 00:44:47,042 ♪ ♪ 869 00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:48,875 - Bye-bye. 870 00:44:50,417 --> 00:44:52,167 Mwah. 871 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:53,830 I got a kiss. 872 00:44:53,917 --> 00:44:56,247 [tape crackles] 873 00:45:02,291 --> 00:45:03,791 - It was about 8:30 in the morning. 874 00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:06,665 I was still in my pajamas and bathrobe. 875 00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:09,630 [soft ominous music] 876 00:45:09,709 --> 00:45:11,129 ♪ ♪ 877 00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:12,748 - It was in May, 878 00:45:12,834 --> 00:45:15,464 and I was sleeping in bed. 879 00:45:15,542 --> 00:45:19,672 My husband was on a business trip. 880 00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:22,000 - My nephew looks out the window 881 00:45:22,083 --> 00:45:24,503 and he sees all these federal agents 882 00:45:24,583 --> 00:45:28,253 coming to the house with their flak jackets. 883 00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:31,253 And they went, "Is Jill Platt in the house?" 884 00:45:31,333 --> 00:45:33,213 - He was banging at the door, 885 00:45:33,291 --> 00:45:36,421 and I see all these men out there 886 00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:37,750 in uniforms or something. 887 00:45:37,834 --> 00:45:38,754 I thought, "Oh, my God, 888 00:45:38,834 --> 00:45:40,754 there must be a fire or something." 889 00:45:40,834 --> 00:45:43,044 And I went downstairs and I opened the door 890 00:45:43,125 --> 00:45:44,705 and I said, "May I help you?" 891 00:45:44,792 --> 00:45:46,882 He said, "Are you Donna Bello?" and I said, "Yes." 892 00:45:46,959 --> 00:45:49,919 And then a group of men came in 893 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,040 with guns and-- 894 00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:55,245 and bulletproof vests on 895 00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:59,713 and they put handcuffs on me. 896 00:45:59,792 --> 00:46:01,212 I was in shock. 897 00:46:01,291 --> 00:46:04,581 - I said, "Don't you have any real crime to fight?" 898 00:46:04,667 --> 00:46:07,287 "This is a real cri"-- I mean, I could just see 899 00:46:07,375 --> 00:46:10,035 I, like, stabbed him in his eyeball 900 00:46:10,125 --> 00:46:11,125 when I said that. 901 00:46:11,208 --> 00:46:12,918 "This is a real crime." 902 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,040 - So I thought, "This is so messed up." 903 00:46:16,125 --> 00:46:18,705 You know? "This is crazy. 904 00:46:18,792 --> 00:46:20,252 "Like, what is going on? 905 00:46:20,333 --> 00:46:22,753 This is a women's gifting group." 906 00:46:22,834 --> 00:46:24,924 - Bunch of women having dinner parties, 907 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,580 giving each other money. 908 00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:30,417 I can think of worse things. 909 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,500 - Do you think if my mom was alive, 910 00:46:32,583 --> 00:46:36,423 she would've been taken to trial? 911 00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,580 - If your mother was alive today, 912 00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:41,287 I don't know that any of us would've been taken to trial. 913 00:46:41,375 --> 00:46:43,455 The thing is, when your mother was murdered, 914 00:46:43,542 --> 00:46:44,832 they confiscated her computer, 915 00:46:44,917 --> 00:46:46,957 and when they confiscated her computer, 916 00:46:47,041 --> 00:46:50,421 they saw this business about the Tables. 917 00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:52,460 So then they turned all of this information over 918 00:46:52,542 --> 00:46:54,042 to the IRS. 919 00:46:55,875 --> 00:46:58,785 - Do you believe that the murder was a catalyst 920 00:46:58,875 --> 00:47:00,165 for the investigation? 921 00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:02,540 - Yeah. Yeah. 922 00:47:09,041 --> 00:47:12,171 - Had you heard about my mother's murder 923 00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:14,920 before starting the investigation? 924 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,460 - So--no. 925 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:19,462 Back in around March 2010, 926 00:47:19,542 --> 00:47:22,132 there was a detailed article 927 00:47:22,208 --> 00:47:24,328 published by the "New Haven Register" 928 00:47:24,417 --> 00:47:26,167 about the women's gifting tables 929 00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:28,210 that were operating on the shoreline of Connecticut, 930 00:47:28,291 --> 00:47:31,711 and that article referenced this murder. 931 00:47:31,792 --> 00:47:34,212 - Do you think if my mother was alive, 932 00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:37,501 she would've been a part of the investigation? 933 00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:39,423 - I can't say. 934 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:42,000 - She broke the law, I think-- I think, 935 00:47:42,083 --> 00:47:44,793 by being a part of these gifting tables 936 00:47:44,875 --> 00:47:48,495 and possibly victimized women, maybe even unknowingly. 937 00:47:48,583 --> 00:47:51,253 If the women thought what they were doing was right, 938 00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:54,673 does that change what they were doing? 939 00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:57,000 - Well, the evidence ultimately dictated, 940 00:47:57,083 --> 00:48:00,923 you know, charges being filed 941 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,880 based on their statements, 942 00:48:03,959 --> 00:48:05,709 their e-mails, 943 00:48:05,792 --> 00:48:07,212 you know, everything that we'd gathered 944 00:48:07,291 --> 00:48:08,711 in the investigation. 945 00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:10,502 - Two Guilford women convicted of running 946 00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:12,213 a Gifting Table pyramid scheme 947 00:48:12,291 --> 00:48:13,581 were sentenced today. 948 00:48:13,667 --> 00:48:15,707 Jill Platt will spend 4 1/2 years in prison. 949 00:48:15,792 --> 00:48:19,542 Donna Bello will spend six years behind bars. 950 00:48:19,625 --> 00:48:22,535 - I couldn't figure out 951 00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:23,705 how many years that was, 952 00:48:23,792 --> 00:48:26,212 because I couldn't even get to that point 953 00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:27,541 where I was thinking years. 954 00:48:27,625 --> 00:48:29,245 I just... 955 00:48:31,792 --> 00:48:33,382 And then I'm blank. Then I went blank. 956 00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:36,788 And I lost a lot of memory after that. 957 00:48:36,875 --> 00:48:38,745 - In tears, Bello and Platt both apologized 958 00:48:38,834 --> 00:48:40,044 in court today. 959 00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:42,245 The two were found guilty in February of wire fraud, 960 00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:43,883 filing false tax returns, 961 00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:47,419 and conspiring to defraud the IRS. 962 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,630 - Well, I've lost my family, my own family, 963 00:48:50,709 --> 00:48:53,669 because I'm such a shame to them. 964 00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,293 That's because they're ignorant. 965 00:48:58,375 --> 00:49:00,875 They're all ignorant. 966 00:49:13,458 --> 00:49:20,458 ♪ ♪ 967 00:49:25,375 --> 00:49:28,705 - What's up? - Hey, man. 968 00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:29,962 - Hi, Kim. - Hi. 969 00:49:30,041 --> 00:49:32,631 How are you? - How's it going? 970 00:49:32,709 --> 00:49:34,789 How's it going? - Good. How's it going for you? 971 00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:37,205 - Good. - Yeah? 972 00:49:37,291 --> 00:49:39,081 Yes? [baby coos] 973 00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:41,326 What? What? What? - Oh. 974 00:49:41,417 --> 00:49:42,787 - How have you been? 975 00:49:42,875 --> 00:49:45,915 - Well, I got married. 976 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,290 That was, what, two years ago? 977 00:49:49,375 --> 00:49:50,955 Mom's out of jail. 978 00:49:51,041 --> 00:49:53,921 Mom went to jail, and now she's out of jail. 979 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,040 Right now, everything's good. Everybody's healthy. 980 00:50:01,709 --> 00:50:05,459 - Banksy, my spoiled cat. 981 00:50:05,542 --> 00:50:08,382 [laughs] 982 00:50:08,458 --> 00:50:10,288 - You got out in November? 983 00:50:10,375 --> 00:50:12,165 - I came back in November. 984 00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:13,380 - Okay. - I got out last May. 985 00:50:13,458 --> 00:50:14,878 May 15th. 986 00:50:14,959 --> 00:50:17,209 - So it's been over a year? 987 00:50:17,291 --> 00:50:18,501 - Just. 988 00:50:18,583 --> 00:50:20,463 Mm. - Wow. 989 00:50:20,542 --> 00:50:23,462 - It's just a big adjustment, you know? 990 00:50:23,542 --> 00:50:27,042 My husband died two months before the trial. 991 00:50:27,125 --> 00:50:29,665 The last year of his life, he was not well 992 00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:33,500 and not taking his medication for his heart. 993 00:50:33,583 --> 00:50:37,883 all: ♪ Happy birthday, Uncle Eddie ♪ 994 00:50:37,959 --> 00:50:38,879 - Whoo! 995 00:50:38,959 --> 00:50:41,329 - I do believe that your uncle died 996 00:50:41,417 --> 00:50:43,667 because he was so stressed out. 997 00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:46,710 - Hello, beautiful. - How are you? 998 00:50:46,792 --> 00:50:48,082 - We were married 43 years. 999 00:50:48,166 --> 00:50:49,746 So now, all of a sudden, 1000 00:50:49,834 --> 00:50:51,884 I am on my own, 1001 00:50:51,959 --> 00:50:53,709 have to figure it out, but you know what? 1002 00:50:53,792 --> 00:50:57,882 I no longer-- I no longer worry about it. 1003 00:50:57,959 --> 00:50:59,919 It's like, que será, será. 1004 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,880 What will be will be. 1005 00:51:01,959 --> 00:51:04,829 What do you think, Banks? 1006 00:51:04,917 --> 00:51:07,327 What do you think? 1007 00:51:07,417 --> 00:51:12,247 - What's really impactful here are the human stories 1008 00:51:12,333 --> 00:51:15,383 of greed, 1009 00:51:15,458 --> 00:51:18,578 loss, remorse, 1010 00:51:18,667 --> 00:51:23,037 and destruction of personal lives 1011 00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:25,075 and friendships and relationships. 1012 00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:28,746 - So... 1013 00:51:28,834 --> 00:51:30,964 I'm trying to wrestle with the idea 1014 00:51:31,041 --> 00:51:35,041 of whether or not my mother was a criminal, I guess. 1015 00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:38,625 I don't know that she knowingly... 1016 00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:40,879 she knew that the Tables had 1017 00:51:40,959 --> 00:51:43,579 the outcome that they would have, 1018 00:51:43,667 --> 00:51:46,577 but, you know, she made money off of-- 1019 00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:47,747 - I wish I could help you... 1020 00:51:47,834 --> 00:51:49,254 - Sure. - Answer that question. 1021 00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:50,713 You know, I would also say, 1022 00:51:50,792 --> 00:51:53,632 just on a very personal level, to you, 1023 00:51:53,709 --> 00:51:56,959 there are... 1024 00:51:57,041 --> 00:52:01,081 gradations of culpability when people break the law, 1025 00:52:01,166 --> 00:52:02,826 so it's complicated. 1026 00:52:02,917 --> 00:52:04,537 Life is complicated. 1027 00:52:04,625 --> 00:52:06,455 I learned as a prosecutor, 1028 00:52:06,542 --> 00:52:10,752 both as a U.S. attorney and as state attorney general, 1029 00:52:10,834 --> 00:52:14,084 condemnation is easy, 1030 00:52:14,166 --> 00:52:17,286 but breaking the law involves 1031 00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:21,995 different degrees of moral responsibility. 1032 00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:28,790 [knocking on door] 1033 00:52:28,875 --> 00:52:29,785 [doorbell rings] 1034 00:52:29,875 --> 00:52:31,995 [dog barks] 1035 00:52:32,083 --> 00:52:33,333 - Lucy, Lucy. 1036 00:52:33,417 --> 00:52:35,577 Hey, everybody. - Hey, how's it going, Don? 1037 00:52:35,667 --> 00:52:37,167 Nice to meet you. - Finally. 1038 00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:38,750 Yeah, it's good to meet you finally, yes. 1039 00:52:38,834 --> 00:52:40,754 [door closes] 1040 00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:44,254 Yeah, what time was the call to 911? 1041 00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:47,633 - Between 11:30 and 12:00, maybe even 12:30. 1042 00:52:47,709 --> 00:52:49,459 - A rough estimate right now would be, 1043 00:52:49,542 --> 00:52:52,252 we're looking at about a two-hour window. 1044 00:52:52,333 --> 00:52:54,633 We don't know if they were there waiting 1045 00:52:54,709 --> 00:52:57,669 or she was expecting someone to come over. 1046 00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:59,670 - So here's the house. - Mm-hmm. 1047 00:52:59,750 --> 00:53:01,670 - It's covered with trees. 1048 00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:03,000 There's a long driveway 1049 00:53:03,083 --> 00:53:05,043 with a neighbor here and a neighbor here. 1050 00:53:05,125 --> 00:53:07,285 There's a golf course right here. 1051 00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:13,000 - So this is the drive right here, right? 1052 00:53:13,083 --> 00:53:14,503 - The--yeah, this second one. 1053 00:53:14,583 --> 00:53:16,543 - 34, here? Okay. 1054 00:53:18,709 --> 00:53:21,829 - You can't see it at all from the street. 1055 00:53:21,917 --> 00:53:24,377 - No. 1056 00:53:24,458 --> 00:53:25,668 - I don't even-- 1057 00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:27,540 - You had to know that the house was there. 1058 00:53:27,625 --> 00:53:28,825 - Yeah. 1059 00:53:28,917 --> 00:53:31,997 - That would be a high-risk point of entry. 1060 00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,210 - Oh, there-- that's the house right there? 1061 00:53:40,291 --> 00:53:42,381 - Yeah. - Okay. 1062 00:53:42,458 --> 00:53:43,538 Wow. 1063 00:53:43,625 --> 00:53:45,535 - It is wide open from this angle. 1064 00:53:45,625 --> 00:53:47,035 - It is. 1065 00:53:47,125 --> 00:53:48,705 [soft dramatic music] 1066 00:53:48,792 --> 00:53:50,212 The focus should be, you know, 1067 00:53:50,291 --> 00:53:52,711 was there a third dimension to this? 1068 00:53:52,792 --> 00:53:54,712 Was there something else going on 1069 00:53:54,792 --> 00:53:56,252 in your mom's life 1070 00:53:56,333 --> 00:53:59,173 that nobody knows or she kept a secret? 1071 00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:01,460 Was there something that we're missing? 1072 00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:16,169 - Who was that? 1073 00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:31,035 - Yeah. 1074 00:54:31,125 --> 00:54:33,955 What is this document? 1075 00:54:34,041 --> 00:54:38,331 - It's an excerpt of testimony to the grand jury. 1076 00:54:38,417 --> 00:54:39,917 - So this is something that's sealed 1077 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,380 that we couldn't get before? 1078 00:54:41,458 --> 00:54:42,458 - Yeah. 1079 00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,542 I have no idea how Conway has this. 1080 00:54:44,625 --> 00:54:47,125 Because all testimonies in the grand jury 1081 00:54:47,208 --> 00:54:48,578 are supposed to be sealed. 1082 00:54:48,667 --> 00:54:51,577 [tense music] 1083 00:54:51,667 --> 00:54:53,747 ♪ ♪ 1084 00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,924 - "There were some intimidating measures 1085 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,790 "taken in the past few months. 1086 00:54:57,875 --> 00:55:00,785 "Members of the gifting tables have come to the meetings 1087 00:55:00,875 --> 00:55:04,125 "and presented themselves in intimidating ways. 1088 00:55:04,208 --> 00:55:06,828 "Conway Beach has come to meetings several times 1089 00:55:06,917 --> 00:55:09,287 "and shared in a meeting that there shouldn't be 1090 00:55:09,375 --> 00:55:11,125 "gossip, criticism, and judgment, 1091 00:55:11,208 --> 00:55:12,288 "and discussion about things 1092 00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:14,825 that people don't know anything about." 1093 00:55:14,917 --> 00:55:16,787 "Within the last week and a half, 1094 00:55:16,875 --> 00:55:19,035 was Ms. Beach near your residence?" 1095 00:55:19,125 --> 00:55:20,625 Answer: "Yes, sir." 1096 00:55:20,709 --> 00:55:22,289 Question: "Explain to the members 1097 00:55:22,375 --> 00:55:23,915 of the Grand Jury what happened there." 1098 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,210 Answer: 1099 00:55:35,208 --> 00:55:36,458 "As you sit here today, 1100 00:55:36,542 --> 00:55:38,542 are you afraid of Conway Beach?" 1101 00:55:38,625 --> 00:55:40,495 Answer: "Yes, sir." 1102 00:55:40,583 --> 00:55:42,383 Question: "Why is that?" 1103 00:55:42,458 --> 00:55:43,708 Answer: 1104 00:55:48,417 --> 00:55:51,077 Wow. 1105 00:55:55,125 --> 00:56:02,125 ♪ ♪ 1106 00:56:06,583 --> 00:56:08,423 - As you're doing this documentary, 1107 00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:10,130 I worry about you the most, 1108 00:56:10,208 --> 00:56:13,668 because you're finding out so many things 1109 00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:16,000 that I tried to protect you from. 1110 00:56:16,083 --> 00:56:18,173 And I just worry. 1111 00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:22,460 I hope you can process all of this... 1112 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,880 And still love me. 1113 00:56:27,959 --> 00:56:31,079 As I will always love you. 1114 00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:32,746 - Watch out for the-- - Happy Thanksgiving. 1115 00:56:32,834 --> 00:56:34,384 - Hazards are behind you. - [laughs] 1116 00:56:34,458 --> 00:56:36,708 [child babbling] 1117 00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:38,542 - Some people can get to a point, 1118 00:56:38,625 --> 00:56:40,245 I don't care who it is, 1119 00:56:40,333 --> 00:56:42,333 where they can snap. 1120 00:56:42,417 --> 00:56:44,247 - Did you snap? 1121 00:56:44,333 --> 00:56:46,463 - I snapped. 1122 00:56:55,792 --> 00:56:58,712 [solemn music] 1123 00:56:58,792 --> 00:57:05,832 ♪ ♪ 1124 00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:11,325 [indistinct conversation] 1125 00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:40,712 - Flowers? You gonna get the flowers? 1126 00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:42,082 Okay. 1127 00:57:42,166 --> 00:57:44,626 Get the flowers. 1128 00:57:44,709 --> 00:57:46,079 Aww. 1129 00:57:46,166 --> 00:57:47,916 Oh. 1130 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,750 Pretty flowers. 1131 00:57:49,834 --> 00:57:56,834 ♪ ♪ 1132 00:58:06,875 --> 00:58:08,625 Oh. 1133 00:58:08,709 --> 00:58:11,379 Pretty flowers. 1134 00:58:23,875 --> 00:58:25,915 [bright tone] 1135 00:58:29,917 --> 00:58:31,537 WOMAN: I'm so sorry. 1136 00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:33,923 MADISON HAMBURG: Why are you sorry? 1137 00:58:35,041 --> 00:58:36,381 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1138 00:58:37,166 --> 00:58:39,206 MADISON: I haven't been back here in six years. 1139 00:58:39,917 --> 00:58:41,627 How has it effected our family? 1140 00:58:41,709 --> 00:58:43,499 WOMAN 2: I definitely do feel like there's a rift 1141 00:58:43,583 --> 00:58:44,713 because of the murder. 1142 00:58:44,959 --> 00:58:49,249 When your world is ripped apart it can do things to you. 1143 00:58:49,667 --> 00:58:53,127 MADISON: If the person is still alive who did this to mom, 1144 00:58:53,208 --> 00:58:54,328 would you wanna say anything? 1145 00:58:54,417 --> 00:58:56,577 No. Do you wanna say anything to them? 1146 00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:59,000 MADISON: I'm coming for you. 1147 00:58:59,083 --> 00:59:00,583 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 82217

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