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(upbeat electronic music)
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(static buzzing)
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(tires screeching)
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(intense techno music)
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(keyboard clacking)
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(electronic warbling)
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(women moaning)
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- Hello.
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- [Ovidie] Never before has
so much porn been watched,
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and yet the porn industry
is in its death throes.
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- [Ovidie] These sites
have turned the industry
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upside down.
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They've swallowed up everything,
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absorbed everything, without
mercy.
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- We knew that it was gonna,
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gonna kill the industry.
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(woman moaning)
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- [Ovidie] Production
companies are shutting down
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one by one, and the
first victims are women.
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Actresses are forced to
take part in increasingly
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hardcore porn, for half as much
money.
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- Many production believe
that the harder you shoot--
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- Yes the harder the better.
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- The bigger you put inside.
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- Yeah, she's had a lot
of cocks in her ass.
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Four cocks at the same time.
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- [Ovidie] Just a handful of
geeks,
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who came out of nowhere, have
profited from this misery,
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earning unprecedented amounts of
money.
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- [Interviewer] How
many users of Pornhub--
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- 16 million a day.
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- Wait a minute, who is this?
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- Turn over a month was
roughly $40 million, US.
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- A month?
- A month.
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- I don't believe anything that
they say,
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having worked for them,
because nothing makes sense.
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- [Ovidie] Behind all of this
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are shady financial operations,
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an opaque business where
the law of silence reigns.
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- In the last three years,
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I have had my life
threatened maybe six times,
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so I carry a gun, just in case.
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(intense techno music)
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(keyboard clacking)
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(somber music)
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- [Ovidie] I made adult
films for 17 years.
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I know this industry very well.
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A few years ago, I found out
that my films
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were being shown for
free without my consent,
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and that now, anyone can access
them;
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Neighbors, colleagues, children.
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The piracy of my films has
affected my life far more
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than anyone might ever suspect.
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Since the mid-1990s, Budapest
has been the undisputed
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European capital of porn.
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If we would find the victims
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of this great transformation
anywhere, it would be here.
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(birds chirping)
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- Hello.
- Hi.
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- I'm Alina, nice to meet you.
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- Ovidie, nice to meet you.
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- Welcome.
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- [Alina] Hello.
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Yes.
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Hello.
- Hello.
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- Come, come inside.
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- Ovidie, nice to meet you.
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- [Ovidie] Nice to meet you.
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- This is the main page of our
website.
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Here you can find models
who does hardcore shootings,
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so like, girl-girl,
boy-girl, anal and more.
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So you have information here;
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Name, age, place of residence,
the breast,
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and all the stuff that
productions need to know,
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and what she does, from soft to,
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to double anal or whatever.
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(chuckling)
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- [Ovidie] How many girls
do you have right now?
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- Right now?
- Working right now?
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- Right now, this (chuckling)
I don't know, I don't count.
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From our hardcore, it's
I think around maybe 200,
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150, but it's always changing
because
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some of them get pregnant,
some of them get married,
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some of them just don't want
to work in porn anymore.
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So we have, the girls are always
changing,
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but we keep it up like I think.
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- [Ovidie] So you started eight
years ago.
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The tubes arrived, meanwhile.
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(laughing)
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- It was sweet, sweet beginning.
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It was super nice
business, everything was,
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everyone was cool, and
the rates was higher,
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the business was, and
all the girls was pretty
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because the rates was a bit
higher.
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And then one moment, everything
started falling down,
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crashing, productions began
closing, after crisis.
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I think that half of the
big productions were closed,
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the Americans stopped to come.
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- [Ovidie] And the practices,
did they change as well?
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- Oh yeah.
- It's become more rough.
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It's become more, let's say,
generally,
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humanity
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changes, so it has become
more pervert, more dirty mind.
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- [Ovidie] Do you think
it's because of the tubes?
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- Yeah, because the porn
become more accessible.
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Anyone now can open internet
and find anything they want,
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and when they watch this, they
say,
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"Okay, what's the next level?
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"What's the next step?"
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They always curious about,
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go deeper and deeper and deeper.
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People become crazy.
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Much crazier than before.
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(calm music)
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- So today, very easy,
it's only pussy sex today.
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We don't want to push too
much, she is completely new,
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it's her second time she
is with a boy out of me
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for the casting, but afterwards
David, and now it's you.
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She is a super adorable
person, she enjoys so much,
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she likes to be slapped on the
ass.
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So do not hesitate to be very
active,
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but not too much aggressive.
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And,
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do whatever you want in term of
position,
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she enjoy very much, she
do fantastic, fantastic,
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you will see, she is great.
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So I think you will have fun
with her.
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(laughing)
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Kisses, you put the hand under
the dress,
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and you tickle the panties,
okay?
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And we will begin with that.
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All right?
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Action.
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(woman moaning)
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(man sighing)
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(woman and man moaning)
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(woman and man moaning
and breathing heavily)
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(dramatic music)
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- [Ovidie] The difference
with previous generations
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is that today's actresses
have grown up with porn.
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They've been subjected
to and accepted practices
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that most producers would
never before have dared
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to even propose.
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- [Alina] We are having
a model house here,
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in the city center, that
is close to all locations.
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There is six sleeping places,
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and girl living all together and
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they are not like, really alone
here,
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they can get everything they
want and we are 24 hours online
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to help them with anything they
need.
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- History of porn, they just
need to
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watch all of these movies.
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(Juliana chuckling)
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Actually, it is including
history for the last
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15 years of porn.
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It's Americans, Europeans,
all nationalities,
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all type of porn.
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It's Rocco Ravishes Prague 4.
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I think now it's 27 already or
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34 or something.
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(both speaking foreign language)
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(both laughing)
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- If the girls want to see, they
have DVD.
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And time to watch.
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- Niki, she worked in
this industry just for
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I don't know, for one month,
maybe, a little bit less.
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And she arrived and most
of the things in sex,
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she tried on the shootings,
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even such a simple thing
like a cowgirl position,
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she had never tried it in her
real life.
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Of course, first anal,
she tried it on the set.
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First double penetration,
she tried it on the set.
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- [Ovidie] And she's
been here only one month?
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- Yeah.
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- It happens often that some
girls--
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- Try new things?
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- Try new things on the set?
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- Yeah.
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Not such simple things like
a blow job for example,
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or some positions.
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Of course on special positions,
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we shoot in the porn movies
like upside down or something.
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(laughing)
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Normally we don't do in
real life, they try here.
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But anal, pretty often it
happens
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first time on the shootings.
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(dramatic music)
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(hair dryer whirring)
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(Arwen speaking foreign
language)
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(chucking)
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- [Arwen] Breakfast.
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(Arwen chuckling)
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- [Ovidie] Only sweets for
breakfast?
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- Because sweets give energy.
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Nothing food.
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Water and sweets.
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- [Ovidie] Why?
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- Because
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anal sex,
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it's
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food
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(vocalizing)
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and whoa, it's no good, no good.
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But I'm wash.
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It's normal.
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(upbeat pop music)
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(people conversing quietly)
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- [Man] Okay.
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(Arwen speaking foreign
language)
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- So you can, you can get
white with this and this,
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and
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what about the shoes, it's here?
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Okay, perfect.
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Perfect.
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Okay.
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(people conversing quietly)
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- Would you prefer, two
cocks, or three cocks?
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(Anya chuckling)
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- [Anya] Five.
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(all laughing)
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- Shit...
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What about you?
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- [Anya] No, I have--
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- What, guys?
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What (laughing)
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- You prefer one cock, two
cocks?
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You like five?
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- [Anya] I have three holes, so
three--
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- In one...
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- [Anya] My pussy, my ass
and my mouth, so it's--
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- It's perfect.
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- [Anya] Perfect!
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(laughing)
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Hmm?
- In my ass?
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- Yeah, she's had like a
lot of cocks in her ass.
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- Four.
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- Four cocks at the same time.
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- [Anya] Four in your ass?
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- Yes.
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(laughing)
- Yeah.
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It's enough, plus it's in your
ass?
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- Really?
- Show me your ass!
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Show me your ass!
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Because I have never have two in
my ass.
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(laughing)
- But it's three cock.
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It's not, it's--
- Okay.
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- [Arwen] It's not...
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- [Ovidie] Five cocks, six
cocks?
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I wonder what the next challenge
will be.
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A hemorrhage?
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Death, maybe?
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The worst part is that
the actresses' names
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hardly ever appear on these
sites.
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They are reduced to a
series of categories.
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They're like a cannon fodder.
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One gaping hole amongst many.
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(intense techno music)
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How can you empathize with these
girls,
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if after all, they don't really
exist?
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(dramatic music)
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I haven't been in the
Berlin Fair for 15 years.
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Here too, things have really
changed.
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It used to be the biggest
event of its kind in Europe.
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Back then, adult film
stars were worshiped,
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and producers would
sign contracts non-stop.
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But today, at each stand,
the gloom is palpable.
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(people conversing quietly)
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(laughing)
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(people applauding)
(rock music)
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(people cheering and applauding)
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(dramatic music)
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- [Ovidie] So how did it come to
this?
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And if everything is available
for free,
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who is making any money?
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(keyboard clacking)
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(static buzzing)
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(dramatic music)
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(static buzzing)
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(dramatic music)
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- [J-T] We launched Youporn
26th of August, 2006.
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So we took it from very,
very small traffic to
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the 26th busiest website in the
world.
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- [Ovidie] Did you imagine
that it was going to become so,
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so huge?
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- [J-T] Yes.
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We had round about 370
million visitors a month,
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used to come into Youporn.
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- [Ovidie] How did you
get this idea of Youporn?
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- Right, the very first,
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the first few weeks,
it was a joke and then
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we kind of realized what
we had on our hands.
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At that point, we realized the
damage
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it was gonna inflict on the
industry.
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So we made a decision
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to help content partners.
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Now, we were evil.
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We were reaching out to
content partners, saying,
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"Hey, we're from Youporn,
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"we want you to license us your
content.
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"We want to help you, we
want to send our members,
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"our users, to your websites,
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"for you to convert
them into memberships."
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And the general consensus from
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the whole of the industry was,
"You've got to be kidding.
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"Why would someone that is
viewing content for free
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"want to pay a membership?"
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But tube sites have been
there for eight years.
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So, if you're an old
school content producer,
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you would have already adapted
to using the tube sites.
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Those that refuse to adapt,
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they're simply no longer in
business.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Ovidie] J-T's right.
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All the people I knew have
disappeared.
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If it was only J-T that had come
along,
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then perhaps they might have
survived.
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But the worst was yet to come.
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(intense techno music)
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(beeping and buzzing)
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With Manwin, Fabian Thylmann
built the first multinational
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empire of sex.
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The majority of the world's
porn videos are now hosted
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on websites that he owns.
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(static buzzing)
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The only people interested
in this unknown man
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are German journalists.
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(static buzzing)
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They were the first to
reveal the obscure nature
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of the company.
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(dramatic music)
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Who is Thylmann?
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What kind of guy is he?
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00:29:32,633 --> 00:29:37,267
- [Lars] He is certainly
what you would call a geek.
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More of the technician kind of
guy.
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Sort of the person that has
never been at a porn shoot,
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00:29:44,867 --> 00:29:48,267
and in a way, he was
probably at that moment
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the right person for
the distribution of porn
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in the 21st century.
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- Can you show me how,
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when it all started?
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00:30:03,233 --> 00:30:06,400
- Yeah, well I mean, this is
how it all started for us.
342
00:30:06,433 --> 00:30:09,033
So that's the front page of the
paper
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that was published in September
2012,
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and it's basically
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the result of a long time of
work
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because we started in January
with our investigation.
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00:30:20,833 --> 00:30:25,167
So it took us nine months in
a way to get this thing done.
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All description, how it worked,
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when he bought what, everything.
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You've got also some
documents that we could show
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that led us to quite a lot of
questions.
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- [Interviewer] Fabian,
tell us about yourself,
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where you're from, how did
you get on the internet and,
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we want to know it all.
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00:30:43,733 --> 00:30:44,767
- So, Fabian.
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I started online in '99,
roughly, as a programmer.
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And I,
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I was very interested in high
speed, high traffic websites,
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so complicated programming.
360
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So it's the stuff you would find
361
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at that time was porn,
with a lot of traffic.
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00:31:01,633 --> 00:31:06,067
So I started buying a couple
of companies in Europe first.
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But the biggest coup really I
did was
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buying a company in Canada,
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which was back then already
one of the big players
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in the market.
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- [Interviewer] Can we
name, is compliancy,
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can we name of one of those
sites?
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00:31:16,533 --> 00:31:18,467
- This biggest one is
pornhub.com.
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00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:19,667
- Pornhub, okay.
- Yes.
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The second one which is
bigger but more known--
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- [Interviewer] How many
users does Pornhub--
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- 16 million a day.
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- 16 million daily active users?
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00:31:25,733 --> 00:31:26,800
- [Fabian] Yes, active users,
yes.
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About--
- Very active.
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00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:29,800
- Yes, very active.
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00:31:29,833 --> 00:31:30,667
(laughing)
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- Anyway, that's why we invited
Fabian,
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so it's not only about the
materials.
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- [Ovidie] How old is he?
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- [Lars] 36, 37 I think.
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- [Ovidie] So he was quite young
when he
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became the King of Porn.
385
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,067
- Well, I mean, that's sort
of how our story started.
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00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,667
Because we saw this,
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00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:54,300
this video from this big
porn conference in Las Vegas.
388
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:57,633
And it's a four part
video, it's on YouTube,
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00:31:57,667 --> 00:32:00,433
and there is suddenly
coming this young German guy
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00:32:00,467 --> 00:32:04,500
on the center stage, sitting
down in his sweater and
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he was looking like a sort of
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00:32:06,733 --> 00:32:09,267
cheap version of Mark
Zuckerburg or something, yeah?
393
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:10,567
And he sits down there
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in front of the American porn
industry
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and he tells them his vision
and how he's doing things.
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00:32:17,567 --> 00:32:20,200
And it's like a nobody
appearing, yeah?
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00:32:20,233 --> 00:32:22,567
And for us, it was like,
"Wait a minute, who is this?
398
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"And why the hell are all
the others listening to him?
399
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"What does he have to say?"
400
00:32:28,767 --> 00:32:33,467
- We had roughly 65 million
people on our websites each day.
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Different ones.
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About 450 million people
a month, different ones.
403
00:32:37,833 --> 00:32:39,667
- 450 million a month?
404
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:42,233
I'm not sure if I'm mixing
up numbers as usual,
405
00:32:42,267 --> 00:32:45,167
but that sounds like
half the size of Facebook
406
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,533
some time ago, right?
(Fabian laughing)
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00:32:47,567 --> 00:32:51,733
- So, turnover a month was
roughly $40 million, US.
408
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,733
- A month?
- A month.
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00:32:54,767 --> 00:32:56,600
Yeah, I always think in
months, I don't know why,
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00:32:56,633 --> 00:32:59,767
everybody else does it
in years, I don't know.
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00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,633
And...
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00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,600
- You grew so fast.
- Yes, that's probably,
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00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:05,600
it just kept changing so--
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00:33:05,633 --> 00:33:08,700
- Well, the first thing
that a reporter does is
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00:33:08,733 --> 00:33:09,667
go into the archives,
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00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,300
looking whatever has
been published before.
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00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:14,100
So we had a list with webpages,
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00:33:14,133 --> 00:33:16,567
we had a list with company
names,
419
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,833
and then we started to
pull for every company
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00:33:18,867 --> 00:33:21,633
the record from the trade
register.
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00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:26,267
In the end, we had a network
of about 35 or more companies
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00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,767
that belonged to this empire of
Manwin
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00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,067
that Mr. Thylmann was running.
424
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:34,367
(whistling and pinging)
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00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,533
We started to ask ourselves,
426
00:33:52,567 --> 00:33:56,233
why do you need companies
in Cyprus, for example?
427
00:33:56,267 --> 00:33:57,667
Then the headquarter,
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00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,567
the headquarter was in
Luxembourg.
429
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,400
So we asked ourselves, why is
the headquarter in Luxembourg?
430
00:34:02,433 --> 00:34:06,600
And we went to Luxembourg
and when we arrived there,
431
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:10,800
I have actually photos that
I can show if you like.
432
00:34:10,833 --> 00:34:13,500
Then, it's a building out
of concrete and glass.
433
00:34:13,533 --> 00:34:16,567
We could look basically
through the door in the office,
434
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,367
and the office was entirely
empty.
435
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,667
There were a few pieces of
furniture standing around--
436
00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:23,467
- [Ovidie] So this is the
headquarter
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00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:25,133
of the biggest porn company in
the world?
438
00:34:25,167 --> 00:34:27,667
- This was, in 2012, the
headquarter of
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00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:30,333
the biggest porn company in the
world.
440
00:34:30,367 --> 00:34:33,267
But the point is, in that
building, we asked the neighbors
441
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:36,600
and on the lower floor,
there is a Chinese bank.
442
00:34:36,633 --> 00:34:38,100
And we asked the lady there and
we said,
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00:34:38,133 --> 00:34:40,533
"What is going on the fourth
floor, where's Manwin?"
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00:34:40,567 --> 00:34:42,300
And she said in this funny
Chinese voice,
445
00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:44,367
"Oh, there's nobody there.
446
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,267
"Oh, there's nobody there."
447
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,367
And it was weird, yeah?
448
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,200
And those were all things where
we said,
449
00:34:50,233 --> 00:34:52,433
"Okay, it doesn't make sense,
450
00:34:52,467 --> 00:34:53,500
"it doesn't prove anything,
451
00:34:53,533 --> 00:34:57,200
"it doesn't show, okay,
this must be tax evasion."
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00:34:57,233 --> 00:35:01,300
For us, in the end, obviously
as a German newspaper,
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00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:03,533
we follow the German angle.
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00:35:05,067 --> 00:35:07,567
There was one company in
Hamburg,
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00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,733
the Manwin Germany Company,
that was very interesting to us.
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00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:16,400
Because they run this
website, My Dirty Hobby.
457
00:35:16,433 --> 00:35:20,167
The company said actually
on their webpage here,
458
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,267
"We are run from Cyprus."
459
00:35:23,267 --> 00:35:25,500
And even though we knew
that the performers were
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00:35:25,533 --> 00:35:29,067
living in Germany and were
shooting their movies in
Germany,
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00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:32,700
the tax that was deducted
was the Cypiotic VAT.
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00:35:32,733 --> 00:35:35,567
It's really hard to judge
if everything is going
463
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,500
in a legal way there from the
outside,
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00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:41,067
but at that point, we had
a lot of reasonable doubt.
465
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,800
(dramatic music)
466
00:35:45,067 --> 00:35:47,367
- [Ovidie] I've heard of My
Dirty Hobby.
467
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,033
It's one of Germany's
largest amateur porn sites.
468
00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,167
But what I didn't know
is that it was one of
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00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,667
Fabian Thylmann's first
businesses,
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and a cornerstone of his Manwin
empire.
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00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:49,133
- [Ovidie] Let's see.
472
00:37:49,833 --> 00:37:51,467
There, it's you.
473
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:53,233
Naughty Over Forty.
474
00:37:55,633 --> 00:37:57,833
- [Tina] I'm a German MILF.
475
00:37:57,867 --> 00:38:00,100
- [Ovidie] Do you have an idea
of how many fans you have?
476
00:38:00,133 --> 00:38:03,333
- For My Dirty Hobby, over
15,000 fans.
477
00:38:04,867 --> 00:38:08,267
It's a very great fan
base on My Dirty Hobby.
478
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:09,733
- How many videos have you done?
479
00:38:09,767 --> 00:38:11,133
- 500.
480
00:38:11,167 --> 00:38:12,300
- 500?
- Yes.
481
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:15,367
- When you do a video, you
have to upload it yourself?
482
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,600
- Mmhmm.
483
00:38:16,633 --> 00:38:19,567
- When we start with the film,
I give it to my Dirty Hobby.
484
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,800
- Okay.
- I can give the go,
485
00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:24,600
and then it's go online.
486
00:38:24,633 --> 00:38:26,067
- But they control it.
487
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,200
- They control it, yes, really.
488
00:38:28,233 --> 00:38:32,367
But the marketing for
these clips, it's our.
489
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,533
- Is it inconvenient to
ask you how many percent
490
00:38:35,567 --> 00:38:37,267
they take from your,
491
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,133
from your income?
492
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:42,433
- 78--
- 78%.
493
00:38:43,633 --> 00:38:45,100
- 78?
494
00:38:45,133 --> 00:38:46,333
- And--
- We get
495
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,067
22%.
496
00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:51,067
- 22%.
497
00:38:52,267 --> 00:38:56,467
And then we must pay tax and
other things from this 22%.
498
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:57,633
It's not much.
499
00:38:58,867 --> 00:39:02,667
In my next life, I'm
owner of a good website.
500
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:04,433
(laughing)
501
00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:05,333
Yeah.
502
00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:09,133
(train rumbling)
503
00:39:12,067 --> 00:39:14,667
(dramatic music)
504
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,100
- [Ovidie] Fabian Thylmann may
have had his first successes
505
00:39:34,133 --> 00:39:38,700
in Germany, but he made his
fortune in the American market.
506
00:39:38,733 --> 00:39:41,633
And it's also there that
he extended his monopoly
507
00:39:41,667 --> 00:39:43,733
over the entire industry.
508
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,733
(seabirds calling)
509
00:39:49,633 --> 00:39:52,700
- I was under contract
with a studio called
510
00:39:52,733 --> 00:39:55,300
Digital Playground from
511
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:56,333
late 2007 to
512
00:39:58,367 --> 00:40:00,033
the middle of 2013.
513
00:40:00,867 --> 00:40:03,300
And then Digital Playground was
purchased
514
00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:06,500
by a larger company called
Manwin,
515
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:08,767
and they have a monopoly on
516
00:40:09,733 --> 00:40:12,500
the production studios in
America.
517
00:40:12,533 --> 00:40:16,333
One of the first things that
I noticed with the new owners
518
00:40:16,367 --> 00:40:20,800
was this complete lack
of respect for the crew.
519
00:40:20,833 --> 00:40:25,033
And they put in extremely
long hours sometimes,
520
00:40:25,067 --> 00:40:28,067
like especially in a large
feature, 20 hour days.
521
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:28,933
(laughing)
522
00:40:28,967 --> 00:40:32,667
I was there at 6:00 am, shoot
all day,
523
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:36,600
leave set at two o'clock in the
morning,
524
00:40:36,633 --> 00:40:40,333
go home, sleep for a couple
hours, come back the next day.
525
00:40:40,367 --> 00:40:43,233
It was a capitalism machine to
526
00:40:43,267 --> 00:40:45,700
the detriment of any other
concerns.
527
00:40:45,733 --> 00:40:48,433
You don't take care of your
people.
528
00:40:48,467 --> 00:40:51,633
Which then, sure enough, they've
repeated
529
00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,767
massive firings of the workers,
530
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,433
and that's just it.
531
00:40:57,467 --> 00:40:58,367
Capitalism.
532
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,233
Yay.
533
00:41:00,767 --> 00:41:02,233
- [Ovidie] Have you ever met the
board,
534
00:41:02,267 --> 00:41:05,233
someone like Fabian Thylmann?
535
00:41:05,267 --> 00:41:07,133
Have you ever met him?
536
00:41:08,433 --> 00:41:09,433
- I met him.
537
00:41:10,333 --> 00:41:12,567
I don't necessarily believe
538
00:41:13,667 --> 00:41:17,033
that he ever owned the company,
really.
539
00:41:20,067 --> 00:41:22,333
They're just fishy, all right?
540
00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:25,367
They're just a fishy, weird
company.
541
00:41:26,767 --> 00:41:30,333
My Fleshlight royalties, when
the wire transfers come in,
542
00:41:30,367 --> 00:41:33,433
go through banks in
places like South Africa,
543
00:41:33,467 --> 00:41:35,700
they have offices in Ireland.
544
00:41:35,733 --> 00:41:37,100
It's a bunch of,
545
00:41:37,133 --> 00:41:40,500
it's a bunch of men with Greek
last names
546
00:41:40,533 --> 00:41:43,833
and thick Greek accents
claiming to be Quebecois.
547
00:41:43,867 --> 00:41:46,700
I just don't believe anything
they say,
548
00:41:46,733 --> 00:41:49,767
having worked for them,
because nothing makes sense.
549
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,667
(dramatic music)
550
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,433
- I was investigating a load
of online black markets,
551
00:42:03,467 --> 00:42:06,667
digital activism, Anonymous,
that kind of culture,
552
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:09,133
that was mostly what I was
writing about.
553
00:42:09,167 --> 00:42:10,733
And there were rumors, and
actually,
554
00:42:10,767 --> 00:42:13,333
one company did, for all
intents and purposes,
555
00:42:13,367 --> 00:42:16,333
own a complete monopoly on
porn distribution online
556
00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:17,700
and no one really know about it.
557
00:42:17,733 --> 00:42:19,700
They have hundreds of tube
sites.
558
00:42:19,733 --> 00:42:21,733
But Pornhub was always their
main one.
559
00:42:21,767 --> 00:42:24,267
I think it's the one
they focused primarily on
560
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,600
attracting to a female audience
more,
561
00:42:26,633 --> 00:42:30,333
so they took a lot more of
the aggressive, extreme,
562
00:42:30,367 --> 00:42:31,733
horrifying fetishes out of it
563
00:42:31,767 --> 00:42:32,933
and left in all the other ones.
564
00:42:32,967 --> 00:42:37,233
But also using Pornhub as an
advertising campaign online,
565
00:42:37,267 --> 00:42:41,267
billboards, Times Square,
everywhere, just kind of
566
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:43,100
recognizing that it's already
popular,
567
00:42:43,133 --> 00:42:45,367
but for anyone out there
who may not use Pornhub
568
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,433
or know of Pornhub as their main
go-to,
569
00:42:47,467 --> 00:42:49,600
just show that it's a legitimate
business,
570
00:42:49,633 --> 00:42:51,600
because of course, if you
can advertise in public,
571
00:42:51,633 --> 00:42:53,167
you must be legitimate.
572
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,433
The natural conclusion,
why would anyone think that
573
00:42:55,467 --> 00:42:59,600
an evil company could put a
billboard anywhere in New York?
574
00:43:02,267 --> 00:43:04,333
All you need is hand
575
00:43:04,367 --> 00:43:05,700
Ba ba da da da
576
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:07,833
All you need is hand
577
00:43:07,867 --> 00:43:09,533
Ba ba da da da
578
00:43:09,567 --> 00:43:13,033
All you need is hand, hand
579
00:43:13,067 --> 00:43:14,433
Hand is all you need
580
00:43:14,467 --> 00:43:16,600
- [Man] One more time and go!
581
00:43:16,633 --> 00:43:18,800
All you need is hand
582
00:43:18,833 --> 00:43:20,467
Ba ba da da da
583
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:22,633
All you need is hand
584
00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:24,233
Ba ba da da da
585
00:43:24,267 --> 00:43:28,100
All you need is hand, hand
586
00:43:28,133 --> 00:43:31,333
Hand is all you need
587
00:43:37,667 --> 00:43:39,267
- [Ovidie] The bigger they
become,
588
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,067
the more they can get away with.
589
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:45,800
This is how our suffering
became part of pop culture,
590
00:43:45,833 --> 00:43:50,133
with a little bit of
cynicism, and a lot of lube.
591
00:43:50,167 --> 00:43:55,067
Worst of all, everyone is
lapping it up, or seems to be.
592
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,500
It seems that asking too many
questions
593
00:43:57,533 --> 00:43:59,333
would kill the excitement of it
all.
594
00:43:59,367 --> 00:44:02,133
(dramatic music)
595
00:44:02,167 --> 00:44:03,000
- [Roy] Why would anyone pay
596
00:44:03,033 --> 00:44:05,400
if you gave them something for
free?
597
00:44:05,433 --> 00:44:08,467
Why would people choose
to do the moral thing?
598
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,267
I don't think people in their
nature
599
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:13,033
are altruistic all the time,
600
00:44:13,067 --> 00:44:14,400
especially when it's something
that has
601
00:44:14,433 --> 00:44:16,733
the connotation of shame and
secrecy.
602
00:44:16,767 --> 00:44:19,400
And we're not really
comfortable with our erotica
603
00:44:19,433 --> 00:44:21,733
and our pornography in general.
604
00:44:21,767 --> 00:44:24,067
It's easy, it's available.
605
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:26,800
(dramatic music)
606
00:44:33,333 --> 00:44:35,633
- A lot of people don't even
realize
607
00:44:35,667 --> 00:44:37,800
the videos that they're
watching on those sites
608
00:44:37,833 --> 00:44:40,367
are probably not there
with the permission of
609
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,567
the studio that produced it,
or the performers or anything.
610
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,700
People just kind of disregard
it, like,
611
00:44:45,733 --> 00:44:47,033
"Oh those are porn people,
612
00:44:47,067 --> 00:44:48,833
"who cares if they're getting
ripped off?"
613
00:44:48,867 --> 00:44:51,633
People just don't have much
sympathy for
614
00:44:51,667 --> 00:44:54,033
porn performers or studios.
615
00:44:55,567 --> 00:44:58,533
You know, in the 80s, you
had the Meese Commission
616
00:44:58,567 --> 00:45:02,267
and you had anti-porn
people, like Andrea Dworkin,
617
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,433
who were determined to put
an end to all pornography.
618
00:45:08,367 --> 00:45:12,467
And those people sought to
really destroy
619
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:14,500
the adult entertainment
industry.
620
00:45:14,533 --> 00:45:17,533
And they were unsuccessful in
doing that.
621
00:45:17,567 --> 00:45:20,267
But then you have a
company that comes along,
622
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,800
owning these tube sites,
who's done more damage
623
00:45:23,833 --> 00:45:27,067
to the adult industry than any
politician
624
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:30,433
or anti-porn person could
have ever dreamed of doing.
625
00:45:30,467 --> 00:45:33,667
And instead of circling
the wagons and putting up
626
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:38,100
a unified front against
them, we've invited them in.
627
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:41,800
So, just so many people, in my
opinion, have just sold out.
628
00:45:41,833 --> 00:45:44,333
They said, "Well, I'll
just take the money."
629
00:45:44,367 --> 00:45:48,233
And ethics, money talks and
ethics walks.
630
00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:52,400
And it's very disheartening
to some extent.
631
00:45:52,433 --> 00:45:54,767
(calm music)
632
00:46:17,367 --> 00:46:21,500
(women speaking foreign
language)
633
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,233
(laughing)
634
00:47:48,133 --> 00:47:50,800
(dramatic music)
635
00:47:57,467 --> 00:47:59,467
- [Ovidie] Since the
beginning of the crisis,
636
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,567
the porn industry has been
facing a sharp increase
637
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,567
in sexually transmitted
diseases.
638
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,067
Because they fear losing out on
work,
639
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:12,167
some actors falsify their
medical tests.
640
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,333
In 2012, a syphilis epidemic
affected the whole industry.
641
00:48:18,367 --> 00:48:21,200
Ironically, during that same
year,
642
00:48:21,233 --> 00:48:25,233
Manwin financed a large
campaign against Measure B,
643
00:48:25,267 --> 00:48:27,467
a law that would make the use of
condoms
644
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,700
during filming obligatory.
645
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,200
- Hi, I'm Tara Patrick.
646
00:48:32,233 --> 00:48:34,067
- And I'm Ron Jeremy.
647
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,633
- A mandatory condom law will
not
648
00:48:36,667 --> 00:48:39,133
make our work place any safer.
649
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:43,200
But it will drive our $20
billion dollar industry
650
00:48:43,233 --> 00:48:46,033
and 10,000 jobs out of LA
county.
651
00:48:47,367 --> 00:48:50,033
- Vote no on Measure B.
652
00:48:50,067 --> 00:48:52,633
And keep the adult business in
California.
653
00:48:52,667 --> 00:48:55,267
(light music)
654
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,400
(people applauding)
655
00:50:05,067 --> 00:50:06,067
- Sorry, you need some drink,
656
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,567
otherwise this will never work.
657
00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:14,667
Ladies and gentlemen, I am very
honored to be here tonight.
658
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:19,167
Obviously, we have to find a way
to stop
659
00:50:21,233 --> 00:50:23,767
harmful acts against
people in the industry,
660
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,300
which goes for both women and
men.
661
00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:29,533
For me, this was very
important in many, many ways,
662
00:50:29,567 --> 00:50:33,133
because I knew the way I ran the
business.
663
00:50:33,867 --> 00:50:36,233
I, in my opinion at least,
664
00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:38,800
protected everyone as much as I
could.
665
00:50:38,833 --> 00:50:40,133
So I do prefer
666
00:50:41,233 --> 00:50:43,200
people coming to my websites
than going to others,
667
00:50:43,233 --> 00:50:44,800
which are much more,
668
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:51,367
more underground so to speak,
and do not control so much.
669
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,200
Thank you.
670
00:50:52,233 --> 00:50:56,400
(people applauding)
(dramatic music)
671
00:51:06,533 --> 00:51:09,367
- [Ovidie] Success proved to be
fleeting.
672
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,333
Game over for the King of porn.
673
00:51:11,367 --> 00:51:16,133
(beeping)
(electronic music)
674
00:51:16,167 --> 00:51:19,033
(dramatic music)
675
00:51:23,767 --> 00:51:26,067
(beeping)
676
00:51:38,233 --> 00:51:42,433
At least with Fabian Thylmann,
we had a name and a face.
677
00:51:42,467 --> 00:51:44,667
But since Manwin became
Mindgeek,
678
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,433
the picture is far less clear.
679
00:51:47,467 --> 00:51:50,467
(keyboard clacking)
680
00:51:55,233 --> 00:51:58,300
But who's behind this company?
681
00:51:58,333 --> 00:51:59,000
- It's not clear.
682
00:51:59,033 --> 00:52:01,267
I mean we know at the beginning,
683
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:03,533
the original company was called
Mansef,
684
00:52:03,567 --> 00:52:08,033
and that was Stefan Manos
and Yuissem Youssef,
685
00:52:08,067 --> 00:52:09,800
which was the Man and the Sef.
686
00:52:09,833 --> 00:52:14,167
And those were allegedly
the original founders.
687
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,367
And then, after a while, they
changed their name to Manwin.
688
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:22,200
And at that point, they
would not say whether or not
689
00:52:22,233 --> 00:52:25,267
the original owners were
still involved or not.
690
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:27,200
They said, "Well it's
under new ownership",
691
00:52:27,233 --> 00:52:28,267
but they wouldn't say who it
was.
692
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,200
And that's when Fabian Thylmann
became
693
00:52:31,233 --> 00:52:32,600
the face of the company.
694
00:52:32,633 --> 00:52:33,833
And even then, people were like,
695
00:52:33,867 --> 00:52:36,133
"Is he really the owner of the
company
696
00:52:36,167 --> 00:52:38,467
"or is he just kind of
the front man for it?"
697
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:40,467
It was still very unclear.
698
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:43,700
And then a few years ago, they
rebranded their name again
699
00:52:43,733 --> 00:52:46,733
to Mindgeek, and they still
won't say whether or not
700
00:52:46,767 --> 00:52:48,767
the original owners are
involved.
701
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,300
With other adult studios,
you pretty much know
702
00:52:51,333 --> 00:52:53,100
who owns the company.
703
00:52:53,133 --> 00:52:56,100
But with these guys, nobody
really knows
704
00:52:56,133 --> 00:52:58,367
(chuckling) who's behind
everything.
705
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,767
It's very kind of mysterious.
706
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,633
(dramatic music)
707
00:53:04,533 --> 00:53:07,300
- On the paper, Mr. Thylmann
was the owner and CEO,
708
00:53:07,333 --> 00:53:08,733
he was running the show.
709
00:53:08,767 --> 00:53:12,533
Now, obviously, there
are other dependencies.
710
00:53:12,567 --> 00:53:14,333
There are people that gave him
the money,
711
00:53:14,367 --> 00:53:16,500
people that we don't know.
712
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,800
Then also what is weird is Mr.
Thylmann
713
00:53:20,833 --> 00:53:22,367
was sitting in Brussels,
714
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,467
but the main headquarters
with the most employees
715
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,733
and still the same thing today,
716
00:53:28,767 --> 00:53:32,467
Mindgeek is actually residing
in Montreal in Canada.
717
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,667
Now from Brussels to Canada
is quite a distance, yeah?
718
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:39,733
So and, I'm very certain that
other managers in Canada,
719
00:53:39,767 --> 00:53:43,067
the same that bought Manwin
and renamed it Mindgeek
720
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,367
that they were very influential
also in the days back then.
721
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,833
To me, it's like, of course, the
Canadians
722
00:53:49,867 --> 00:53:52,467
manage the show in that moment,
you know?
723
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,300
(dramatic music)
724
00:53:59,167 --> 00:54:01,300
During the course of our
investigation,
725
00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:05,467
we pulled up some trade
register records in Cyprus.
726
00:54:06,633 --> 00:54:09,533
And there was a remark on a
charge.
727
00:54:09,567 --> 00:54:13,133
And that was giving the number
of
728
00:54:13,167 --> 00:54:15,733
$362 million US dollars,
729
00:54:15,767 --> 00:54:19,133
I think was the number
that they gave there,
730
00:54:19,167 --> 00:54:23,133
so I assume that this was
sort of the amount that he got
731
00:54:23,167 --> 00:54:25,833
to buy companies, other
companies.
732
00:54:25,867 --> 00:54:29,633
- And where does this money come
from?
733
00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:30,600
- Well, it's tough to say.
734
00:54:30,633 --> 00:54:32,167
We tried to follow the money.
735
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,700
In the end we found
736
00:54:35,233 --> 00:54:37,767
two guys that were former
Goldman Sachs bankers
737
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,167
in New York, Wall Street,
738
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,800
who are now working on their own
ticket.
739
00:54:41,833 --> 00:54:42,700
And,
740
00:54:43,867 --> 00:54:46,533
they were deeply involved with
the,
741
00:54:46,567 --> 00:54:48,700
the moving of the money to Mr.
Thylmann.
742
00:54:48,733 --> 00:54:52,367
But, obviously, at some point,
people are not telling you
743
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,600
where the money is coming from
anymore.
744
00:54:54,633 --> 00:54:57,500
(dramatic music)
745
00:55:05,067 --> 00:55:08,067
- Two journalists, two German
journalists from Die Welt,
746
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,633
they say that some of
the money from the loan
747
00:55:11,667 --> 00:55:14,567
came from Wall Street,
which is right here.
748
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,433
- Yes.
749
00:55:15,467 --> 00:55:18,100
- And from a hedge fund, but, I
mean,
750
00:55:18,133 --> 00:55:21,367
no hedge fund never, ever
invests money in porn.
751
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,300
- Oh yeah, you would never, I
mean,
752
00:55:23,333 --> 00:55:26,200
for the longest time, the only
people who would finance porn
753
00:55:26,233 --> 00:55:28,800
back in the early days was like,
the mob.
754
00:55:28,833 --> 00:55:32,467
You weren't getting a loan
from the bank to shoot
755
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:35,667
the next Deep Throat,
that wasn't gonna happen.
756
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:39,100
So, it's still that way to some
extent.
757
00:55:39,133 --> 00:55:42,633
You see, to this day, performers
get their bank accounts
758
00:55:42,667 --> 00:55:44,433
shut off from different banks,
759
00:55:44,467 --> 00:55:46,600
so there's still that kind of
stigma.
760
00:55:46,633 --> 00:55:48,300
So I can't imagine,
761
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,367
Goldman Sachs saying,
762
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,033
"Here, take a bunch of
money to shoot porn."
763
00:55:54,067 --> 00:55:55,333
So I mean, it's,
764
00:55:56,733 --> 00:55:59,367
it's mind-boggling, it's just
crazy,
765
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,633
would they really get money
from a hedge fund for that,
766
00:56:02,667 --> 00:56:04,533
or was there something else
involved?
767
00:56:04,567 --> 00:56:05,433
It's just,
768
00:56:06,667 --> 00:56:09,467
it's hard to wrap your mind
around.
769
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,367
(dramatic music)
770
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:23,533
- [Ovidie] Advertising
campaigns, Wall Street money,
771
00:56:23,567 --> 00:56:26,100
swanky offices in Canada,
772
00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:30,500
you could almost forget that
their business is pornography.
773
00:56:30,533 --> 00:56:33,300
But if Mindgeek seems so
respectable,
774
00:56:33,333 --> 00:56:36,800
why then do so many people in
the business fear it so much?
775
00:56:36,833 --> 00:56:39,367
- My experience was
mostly a wall of silence.
776
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,133
I probably could have spent
weeks
777
00:56:42,167 --> 00:56:45,133
calling hundreds of more
producers and performers and
778
00:56:45,167 --> 00:56:47,100
there were people who
just didn't even know
779
00:56:47,133 --> 00:56:48,467
what Mindgeek or Manwin was,
780
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:50,267
and the ones who'd been around
for a while
781
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:53,333
were much more hesitant to talk
openly.
782
00:56:53,367 --> 00:56:55,467
And as more publications came
out,
783
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:59,367
you began to realize that
many actors and producers
784
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,267
that went out publicly
to talk against Mindgeek
785
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:04,400
said that they were
blacklisted as a result,
786
00:57:04,433 --> 00:57:06,667
that they were blacklisted
in the industry,
787
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:09,567
couldn't perform, couldn't get
any deals.
788
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,667
There was intimidation.
789
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:14,633
You can look on several
publications online where
790
00:57:14,667 --> 00:57:17,800
porn stars have talked
openly about being threatened
791
00:57:17,833 --> 00:57:20,167
through legal documents or
warnings,
792
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,233
and many who have been
outright blacklisted,
793
00:57:22,267 --> 00:57:24,733
who don't work anymore and
who had to create their own
794
00:57:24,767 --> 00:57:27,833
independent brand, and
very small boutique site,
795
00:57:27,867 --> 00:57:29,733
that they hoped people would
come to.
796
00:57:29,767 --> 00:57:34,167
But as we know, 95 plus
percent of porn viewers online
797
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,467
go to tube sites.
798
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:37,133
So the majority of the porn
audience,
799
00:57:37,167 --> 00:57:38,533
if you want to get their
attention,
800
00:57:38,567 --> 00:57:41,733
you have to work with
Mindgeek to some degree.
801
00:57:41,767 --> 00:57:44,333
So, it had this kind of
802
00:57:44,367 --> 00:57:47,533
cartel, Mafia feel to it
more than a business model.
803
00:57:47,567 --> 00:57:50,233
(plane engine roaring)
804
00:57:50,267 --> 00:57:51,600
- [Ovidie] The more I dig,
805
00:57:51,633 --> 00:57:55,467
the more complicated
it all seems to become.
806
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:59,633
The American authorities
seem strangely uninterested.
807
00:58:00,767 --> 00:58:05,067
The only investigation dates
back to 2009 in Atlanta.
808
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:09,800
Maybe there, I will find some
answers.
809
00:58:09,833 --> 00:58:12,700
(dramatic music)
810
00:59:18,867 --> 00:59:23,233
- Yeah, I was afraid he was
gonna run into that because,
811
00:59:23,267 --> 00:59:27,133
yeah, everybody will
tell you about Mindgeek
812
00:59:27,167 --> 00:59:30,233
until you ask them on the
record.
813
00:59:30,267 --> 00:59:32,267
You know, when they
actually have to say it
814
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:33,433
in front of a camera,
815
00:59:33,467 --> 00:59:35,433
or say it with a tape recorder
rolling,
816
00:59:35,467 --> 00:59:38,100
then they don't want to
say anything because, yeah,
817
00:59:38,133 --> 00:59:40,733
they depend on Mindgeek for
work.
818
00:59:42,567 --> 00:59:44,833
- [Ovidie] Mike knows the dirty
secrets
819
00:59:44,867 --> 00:59:47,700
of the American porn industry.
820
00:59:47,733 --> 00:59:50,367
He was one of the first to be
questioned
821
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,267
by the Secret Services after the
accounts
822
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:55,433
in Atlanta were seized.
823
00:59:55,467 --> 00:59:59,600
- I got a tip from someone
inside Manwin who said,
824
01:00:01,267 --> 01:00:04,633
"Look at Fortress Investment
Group."
825
01:00:04,667 --> 01:00:08,500
It turned out that
Fortress Investment Group
826
01:00:08,533 --> 01:00:11,600
bought a small piece of a larger
loan
827
01:00:12,833 --> 01:00:15,833
that was made by Cold Back
Capital.
828
01:00:15,867 --> 01:00:20,167
So Cold Back Capital loaned to
Manwin $350 million dollars.
829
01:00:21,667 --> 01:00:23,800
And Manwin used that money
830
01:00:25,333 --> 01:00:27,400
to buy the Digital Playground,
831
01:00:27,433 --> 01:00:30,233
they used that money to buy
Babes.com,
832
01:00:30,267 --> 01:00:32,733
they used that money to buy
Redtube.
833
01:00:32,767 --> 01:00:36,167
So you look at all these
purchases they made,
834
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,100
and most of them are failing.
835
01:00:38,133 --> 01:00:41,767
I cannot think of one legal
business
836
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,400
that is making money, that
Mindgeek owns.
837
01:00:45,433 --> 01:00:48,100
The important thing to remember
here
838
01:00:48,133 --> 01:00:50,400
is what Mindgeek is selling.
839
01:00:51,567 --> 01:00:54,800
They're selling traffic, okay?
840
01:00:54,833 --> 01:00:56,767
And they are selling it
841
01:00:58,433 --> 01:01:00,733
to other Mindgeek companies.
842
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,100
And they sell it to
other Mindgeek companies,
843
01:01:05,133 --> 01:01:07,700
and they sell it to
other Mindgeek companies.
844
01:01:07,733 --> 01:01:09,633
And what is traffic?
845
01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:10,700
It's nothing.
846
01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:13,200
There's no inventory of traffic.
847
01:01:13,233 --> 01:01:16,667
I can't call up a parts supplier
and say,
848
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:18,100
"Hey, I need more traffic,
849
01:01:18,133 --> 01:01:21,700
"so you have to send
me a million widgets."
850
01:01:21,733 --> 01:01:25,300
They can create traffic anytime,
for free.
851
01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:30,633
There is no inventory, so
it's very difficult to track.
852
01:01:30,667 --> 01:01:34,800
It appears that their primary
industry is not pornography,
853
01:01:36,367 --> 01:01:38,233
but moving money
854
01:01:38,267 --> 01:01:42,600
from country to country
to country to country.
855
01:01:42,633 --> 01:01:46,167
What we call in America money
laundering.
856
01:01:47,433 --> 01:01:49,333
Can I prove that?
857
01:01:49,367 --> 01:01:50,433
No.
858
01:01:50,467 --> 01:01:52,100
That is my opinion.
859
01:01:53,067 --> 01:01:55,000
But it is well-founded.
860
01:01:57,367 --> 01:01:59,500
- [Ovidie] In the end,
the judicial inquiries
861
01:01:59,533 --> 01:02:03,500
remain in limbo, and some have
been settled out of court.
862
01:02:03,533 --> 01:02:06,033
Even in Atlanta, despite the
allegations
863
01:02:06,067 --> 01:02:09,467
of money laundering, the
only penalty was a fine.
864
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,567
The empire appears to be
untouchable.
865
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,800
Has he ever tried to contact
you?
866
01:02:15,833 --> 01:02:18,400
- [Mike] They have
contacted me many times.
867
01:02:18,433 --> 01:02:22,033
Even Fabian Thylmann contacted
me,
868
01:02:22,067 --> 01:02:26,233
and he was going to buy
advertising on MikeSouth.com.
869
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:30,400
And he offered me a lot of
money.
870
01:02:30,433 --> 01:02:31,700
But I understood
871
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:36,833
it was not really advertising
he was trying to buy,
872
01:02:36,867 --> 01:02:39,233
it was my silence.
873
01:02:39,267 --> 01:02:43,367
In the last three years, I
have had my life threatened
874
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,300
five, maybe six times.
875
01:02:45,333 --> 01:02:47,400
- [Ovidie] And do you know who
it is?
876
01:02:47,433 --> 01:02:48,233
- [Mike] No.
877
01:02:48,267 --> 01:02:49,167
- No?
- No.
878
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,167
- It's anonymous.
- They are anonymous.
879
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,133
- Okay.
- And, you know,
880
01:02:54,367 --> 01:02:56,400
if they call me on the telephone
and say,
881
01:02:56,433 --> 01:02:58,133
"I'm going to kill you",
882
01:02:58,167 --> 01:02:59,800
or if they send me an email and
say,
883
01:02:59,833 --> 01:03:02,000
"I'm going to kill you",
884
01:03:02,767 --> 01:03:05,700
that doesn't concern me very
much.
885
01:03:05,733 --> 01:03:10,033
But the last time, they
left a box on my front door.
886
01:03:11,333 --> 01:03:15,267
It had a toy fire truck
and a fire extinguisher
887
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,433
and a book of matches
and a card that said,
888
01:03:19,467 --> 01:03:22,300
"I'm sorry your house burned
down."
889
01:03:22,333 --> 01:03:24,533
To me, that is a direct threat.
890
01:03:24,567 --> 01:03:27,500
And so I carry a gun wherever I
go.
891
01:03:29,433 --> 01:03:32,733
Honestly, I would hope that I
never have
892
01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:35,067
to draw my gun on someone.
893
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,400
I hope that never happens.
894
01:03:38,433 --> 01:03:41,433
But if it does happen, I will do
it.
895
01:03:45,333 --> 01:03:48,167
(dramatic music)
896
01:03:56,167 --> 01:03:58,200
- [Ovidie] Throughout my
investigation,
897
01:03:58,233 --> 01:04:00,700
I heard some wild rumors.
898
01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:04,333
Mafias across the world
seemed to be implicated,
899
01:04:04,367 --> 01:04:07,800
in South America, the
Middle East, Eastern Europe,
900
01:04:07,833 --> 01:04:09,133
and even Asia.
901
01:04:10,333 --> 01:04:14,200
I'm not sure if we will ever
get to the bottom of it all.
902
01:04:16,167 --> 01:04:19,167
Ultimately, today's porn
industry is all about
903
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,800
big internet companies that
generate billions of hits
904
01:04:22,833 --> 01:04:25,500
that have no connection with the
workforce
905
01:04:25,533 --> 01:04:28,367
at the end of the production
line.
906
01:04:30,333 --> 01:04:33,333
(keyboard clacking)
907
01:04:37,133 --> 01:04:39,267
Tube sites are not the only
websites
908
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:42,133
that took advantage of the
internet.
909
01:04:42,167 --> 01:04:44,733
Another lucrative venture is the
live cam,
910
01:04:44,767 --> 01:04:47,167
a kind of peep show 2.0.
911
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,133
It's one of the premium offers
to which the video sites
912
01:04:50,167 --> 01:04:52,400
try to redirect consumers.
913
01:04:52,433 --> 01:04:53,300
- Hello.
914
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,600
- Welcome in my room.
915
01:04:56,633 --> 01:04:59,467
- [Ovidie] The girls perform
for consumers for a price,
916
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:02,533
and the IT platforms connect the
two.
917
01:05:02,567 --> 01:05:06,700
Even porn has not escaped
the Uber-ization of work.
918
01:05:06,733 --> 01:05:09,567
(dramatic music)
919
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:33,633
The market leader is Live
Jasmin,
920
01:05:33,667 --> 01:05:36,200
also one of Mindgeek's main
customers
921
01:05:36,233 --> 01:05:38,633
in terms of advertising space.
922
01:05:40,533 --> 01:05:44,233
But Live Jasmin is more
transparent than Mindgeek,
923
01:05:44,267 --> 01:05:48,400
and they agreed to open their
doors to me.
924
01:05:48,433 --> 01:05:51,567
- This is the product
development department.
925
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,133
These are the guys who
are actually working on
926
01:05:55,167 --> 01:05:56,500
the development of Live Jasmin
927
01:05:56,533 --> 01:05:58,600
and our live streaming products.
928
01:05:58,633 --> 01:06:01,533
So this is the finance
department here.
929
01:06:01,567 --> 01:06:05,133
Here we have the legal
department, HR,
930
01:06:05,167 --> 01:06:07,633
office management, VR
department.
931
01:06:07,667 --> 01:06:10,567
- How many employees are
working here in Luxembourg?
932
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,467
- Around 200.
933
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:14,367
200, and most of them,
934
01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:18,033
more than half of them are
developers.
935
01:06:18,067 --> 01:06:21,300
For example, here are the
guys who are developing
936
01:06:21,333 --> 01:06:23,300
the platform for the models.
937
01:06:23,333 --> 01:06:25,733
- It's funny because it doesn't
look like
938
01:06:25,767 --> 01:06:27,567
an adult company at all.
939
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,500
- No, it's not.
940
01:06:28,533 --> 01:06:30,467
It could be a bank
because we have all the,
941
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:33,800
all the roles and all the
activities and
942
01:06:33,833 --> 01:06:36,433
staff that's needed for a bank.
943
01:06:36,467 --> 01:06:38,533
It's a well-structured big
company
944
01:06:38,567 --> 01:06:41,633
that stands behind this
business.
945
01:06:41,667 --> 01:06:45,833
So this why we don't consider
ourselves as adult company
946
01:06:45,867 --> 01:06:47,467
because we are IT company.
947
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:49,833
We are company which is
responsible
948
01:06:49,867 --> 01:06:51,400
for development of the platform.
949
01:06:51,433 --> 01:06:53,033
We give the platform
950
01:06:53,067 --> 01:06:55,167
and we give them to
the members and models,
951
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,633
and they can meet on the
platform.
952
01:06:56,667 --> 01:06:59,033
- [Ovidie] In fact, you
never meet the girls?
953
01:06:59,067 --> 01:07:00,000
It's very--
- Not really, no.
954
01:07:00,033 --> 01:07:02,800
Physically we don't meet the
girls because
955
01:07:02,833 --> 01:07:04,700
they are the other side of the
world,
956
01:07:04,733 --> 01:07:06,567
and we just give them a
platform.
957
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,600
- [Ovidie] How many cam girls
are working for Live Jasmin?
958
01:07:10,633 --> 01:07:14,200
- Well, that's, that's a
tricky question because
959
01:07:14,233 --> 01:07:17,633
they are, lots of models come
and leave.
960
01:07:17,667 --> 01:07:21,567
I mean, we have registered
around two million models
961
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,367
who are registered for the
website.
962
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,500
But I mean, I would say,
actively,
963
01:07:26,533 --> 01:07:29,467
there are around 50,000
who are active currently
964
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:31,133
on the website, that they have
account
965
01:07:31,167 --> 01:07:32,767
and they come online.
966
01:07:37,467 --> 01:07:40,333
(dramatic music)
967
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:46,067
- [Ovidie] Far from Luxembourg
and its business districts,
968
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:49,700
thousands of workers
struggle to make a living.
969
01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:51,333
Here in Timisoara,
970
01:07:52,367 --> 01:07:55,333
I get the feeling that a
new form of exploitation
971
01:07:55,367 --> 01:07:58,067
of sex workers has developed.
972
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:00,500
(dog barking)
973
01:08:01,633 --> 01:08:04,567
(upbeat pop music)
974
01:08:20,333 --> 01:08:23,100
(static buzzing)
975
01:08:27,233 --> 01:08:29,333
- [Natali] I'm 25.
976
01:08:29,367 --> 01:08:31,567
I was working as a waitress
977
01:08:32,667 --> 01:08:34,033
in restaurants.
978
01:08:35,667 --> 01:08:37,533
It was pretty hard and
979
01:08:38,833 --> 01:08:43,333
I wasn't earning as much
money as I wished to,
980
01:08:43,367 --> 01:08:44,533
because I have plans.
981
01:08:44,567 --> 01:08:47,033
I want to finish university.
982
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:49,433
And my mother,
983
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:53,633
it's gone in another country for
work.
984
01:08:54,533 --> 01:08:56,600
So I'm staying alone and,
985
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,333
and I have to pay for all.
986
01:09:01,633 --> 01:09:03,233
So...
987
01:09:03,267 --> 01:09:06,400
(upbeat techno music)
988
01:09:19,467 --> 01:09:23,633
- Romanians, we produce 50%
of all incomes in the world.
989
01:09:25,433 --> 01:09:29,400
Half from this industry
is produced by Romanians.
990
01:09:29,433 --> 01:09:32,667
From my opinion, I think
that there are active models,
991
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:34,133
at least 10,000,
992
01:09:35,467 --> 01:09:36,400
in Romania.
993
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:40,367
(rap music)
994
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:55,400
- [Ariana] I'm from Arad.
995
01:09:55,433 --> 01:09:57,767
It's near from Timisoara.
996
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,800
I have four sisters more
997
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:03,333
and one little brother.
998
01:10:03,367 --> 01:10:07,500
My mother is cooking in a big
restaurant,
999
01:10:07,533 --> 01:10:09,133
and my father, I don't know.
1000
01:10:09,167 --> 01:10:10,000
(Ariana laughing)
1001
01:10:10,033 --> 01:10:13,033
I saw him only one time in my
life.
1002
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:18,000
I think I will do this job
1003
01:10:19,233 --> 01:10:21,100
until I reach my goal.
1004
01:10:23,167 --> 01:10:26,167
And I open a little business for
me.
1005
01:10:27,433 --> 01:10:30,100
And, 'til I have a family.
1006
01:10:30,133 --> 01:10:32,767
Guys, if you want, there is
more.
1007
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:35,433
You want a bit more?
1008
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,667
- From here, they are not so
wealthy.
1009
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,333
They are coming from poor
families.
1010
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,467
And they are struggling to build
a future.
1011
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:51,300
- My life is like this.
1012
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,333
I work, I sleep.
1013
01:10:54,367 --> 01:10:56,533
I don't do nothing.
1014
01:10:56,567 --> 01:10:59,033
- [Ovidie] How many hours
per day do you work?
1015
01:10:59,067 --> 01:11:00,467
- Eight, nine, 10.
1016
01:11:02,467 --> 01:11:03,400
- [Ovidie] Any you told me that
1017
01:11:03,433 --> 01:11:06,100
some girls are from Colombia?
1018
01:11:06,133 --> 01:11:07,300
- Yeah.
1019
01:11:07,333 --> 01:11:11,467
Colombia is the next country
competing with Romania with
1020
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:13,700
numbers of webcam orders.
1021
01:11:13,733 --> 01:11:15,067
- [Ovidie] Colombia.
1022
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,167
- Yeah.
- Why Colombia?
1023
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,733
(sighing)
1024
01:11:18,767 --> 01:11:22,533
- Because I think they are poor
also.
1025
01:11:22,567 --> 01:11:24,333
- But, this is this life.
1026
01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:27,367
We have to fight for have
something.
1027
01:11:30,467 --> 01:11:34,633
We can't have all the things
without, make something.
1028
01:11:41,567 --> 01:11:44,033
(rap music)
1029
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:48,567
- [Ovidie] The platforms take
on average of 60 to 70% share
1030
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,367
of what the customers pay.
1031
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,567
For a girl working in a studio,
her fees are even halved.
1032
01:12:00,467 --> 01:12:02,567
But users always beg for free
shows
1033
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,267
and the girls waste their time.
1034
01:12:06,367 --> 01:12:09,467
Sometimes the camgirls go
home at the end of the day
1035
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:12,200
having earned no money at all.
1036
01:12:12,233 --> 01:12:14,767
(clock ticking)
1037
01:12:21,733 --> 01:12:26,433
- We figured out that every
day, maybe 200 or 300 people
1038
01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:29,467
at least visit their chatrooms.
1039
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:30,433
Figure out,
1040
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:35,433
customers that are entering
and said, "You are a bitch",
1041
01:12:35,467 --> 01:12:37,667
or said bad things to them.
1042
01:12:38,567 --> 01:12:42,567
And also the hardest part
outside here it's that
1043
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:46,300
they renounce their social life.
1044
01:12:46,333 --> 01:12:48,567
So for my opinion,
1045
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,133
it's a job that takes
1046
01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:53,267
from one year to five year
maximum.
1047
01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:55,733
- [Ovidie] How much do
they earn per month?
1048
01:12:55,767 --> 01:12:56,733
The average?
1049
01:12:56,767 --> 01:12:58,300
- Average, around
1050
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,800
$1,400 US dollars.
1051
01:13:02,733 --> 01:13:03,700
The average.
1052
01:13:03,733 --> 01:13:07,100
(intense techno music)
1053
01:13:13,433 --> 01:13:16,100
- [Ovidie] What's the
turnover of Live Jasmin?
1054
01:13:16,133 --> 01:13:19,200
- It's, I can tell approximate
number,
1055
01:13:19,233 --> 01:13:22,467
it's around $305 million a year.
1056
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:25,367
We have our incomes growing year
by year.
1057
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,200
We can grow, we usually grow our
incomes,
1058
01:13:29,233 --> 01:13:32,567
it depends on the year but
more than 10% every year.
1059
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,400
Sometimes even more.
1060
01:13:34,433 --> 01:13:36,300
- [Ovidie] And why are you in
Luxembourg?
1061
01:13:36,333 --> 01:13:39,233
- Well, there were several
reasons for Luxembourg that
time.
1062
01:13:39,267 --> 01:13:41,367
The obvious reason would
be to say that yeah,
1063
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,233
it's for the tax reasons but
1064
01:13:43,267 --> 01:13:44,567
we are always focusing on having
1065
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,400
the best people working with us.
1066
01:13:46,433 --> 01:13:49,100
The best people, especially in
technology.
1067
01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:50,000
And,
1068
01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:54,700
in terms of having an attractive
environment for people,
1069
01:13:54,733 --> 01:13:58,400
worldwide, I think
Luxembourg is a good place.
1070
01:13:58,433 --> 01:14:01,133
I think we are really happy to
be here and
1071
01:14:01,167 --> 01:14:02,767
we want to stay here.
1072
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:07,500
(upbeat R and B music)
1073
01:14:27,167 --> 01:14:29,767
- So, Smitty, I want you
to remove your clothes
1074
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,633
and down on your knees,
1075
01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:35,100
that you are positioned in front
of me.
1076
01:14:35,133 --> 01:14:37,800
Great, very good, my boy.
1077
01:14:37,833 --> 01:14:39,400
You like my boots?
1078
01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:40,267
Leather.
1079
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:45,100
Clean my dirty soles.
1080
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,533
Lick my heels.
1081
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:51,800
Very well.
1082
01:14:51,833 --> 01:14:56,133
Now, I want you to put the
plastic bag in your hand,
1083
01:14:57,233 --> 01:14:59,600
and then around your neck.
1084
01:14:59,633 --> 01:15:01,600
Use that tape.
1085
01:15:01,633 --> 01:15:03,667
You will have no air.
1086
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:04,567
So do it.
1087
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:10,067
And how I promise you,
I will show you my ass.
1088
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:17,500
(laughing)
1089
01:15:17,533 --> 01:15:20,167
- [Ovidie] In principle,
it's a private exchange
1090
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,067
between consenting adults.
1091
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:25,767
But if problems arise, who is
responsible?
1092
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:26,767
- You see?
1093
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,167
What do you think about her?
1094
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:30,200
You like it?
1095
01:15:31,667 --> 01:15:35,333
She can do very dirty
things in private like
1096
01:15:35,367 --> 01:15:37,700
eating poo and drinking pee.
1097
01:15:37,733 --> 01:15:41,500
Most of the Chinese girl
are submissive ones.
1098
01:15:42,567 --> 01:15:46,500
It's asking just 50
credits for natural squirt,
1099
01:15:48,267 --> 01:15:51,200
including blow job, that's
almost nothing,
1100
01:15:51,233 --> 01:15:52,700
less than one dollar.
1101
01:15:52,733 --> 01:15:56,533
So it's, in my opinion,
selling herself very,
1102
01:15:57,867 --> 01:15:58,800
very cheap.
1103
01:15:59,967 --> 01:16:02,667
- [Ovidie] With the arrival
of the sex multinationals,
1104
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:06,100
what we knew as porn has
given way to a sector subject
1105
01:16:06,133 --> 01:16:09,600
to the same rules of
an ultra-liberal world.
1106
01:16:09,633 --> 01:16:13,267
An unrestrained capitalism,
a scorched-earth policy,
1107
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:16,067
a complete disregard for
workers.
1108
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:17,567
When you think about it,
1109
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,133
Mindgeek is a little like
the Monsanto of porn.
1110
01:16:21,167 --> 01:16:24,367
(intense techno music)
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