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Sam: This is his car.
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Sam: That's our boy.
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Sam: Hey man!
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Sam: Well, that happened.
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You might be
wondering how I ended up here.
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I know I am.
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I was just planning to get
on a plane and knock back a
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Gin and tonic or a
couple of sambucas,
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And after a nice turbulence-free
flight we're in west virginia.
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I'll take a whimsical look at
the curse of a mythical winged
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Creature called the mothman.
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I was gonna, you know, maybe
stake out a haunted house,
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Take a boat ride, do a
rock skipping contest.
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I'm pretty good
at skipping rocks.
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But then, just like senior prom,
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Nothing goes quite as you hoped.
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Crew: Our tires got slashed?
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Sam: Yeah.
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Dan: Chief cornstalk said,
"may the stain of our blood
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Curse your lands
and your industry."
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Peggy: The mothman appeared.
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Dorsel: And boom!
The ubb mine blew up.
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Sam: We are down
in the holler now.
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Here's a quick story about
point pleasant, west virginia,
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A town with a terrific name.
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So, it's November 1966, and
a couple of guys are digging
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A grave at the local cemetery.
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Don't worry, it's their job.
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When suddenly they see a
large winged creature with
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Red eyes hovering over them.
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Three days later, some
teenagers are playing
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Grab (bleep) at the local
abandoned tnt storage facility,
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You know, where we
all had our first kiss,
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And they see this
humanoid winged creature,
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But this time it follows their
car going 100 miles an hour.
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Next thing you know it's
taken another guy's dog,
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And then here's where
the story gets really weird.
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People all over town started
reporting these strangers in
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Suits and a waitress in a
diner says they ordered food
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But didn't know how to use their
hands to pick up their utensils.
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No, seriously, she said that.
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And then, in December of '67,
people said they saw the
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Mothman circling a bridge.
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Seconds later, the
unthinkable happens.
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Peggy: It was
December 15th, a Friday.
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It was really gray
and overcast that day.
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It was cold.
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Sam: Right.
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Peggy hubert was 21 years old
and driving her brand-new
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Red convertible the
day the curse of the
mothman really took off.
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Peggy: Traffic was
extremely heavy,
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And two semis went by,
and they wouldn't give me
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A break in traffic.
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Sam: Were they kind
of giving you, like, a
little bit of a hard time?
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Peggy: Yeah.
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I couldn't make the green light,
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So I stopped, and I had
reached down to check the
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Knobs on the radio and
heard this awful noise.
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And when I looked up,
the bridge was falling.
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It just looked like tinkertoys.
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The cars fell and the steel
beams fell on top of the cars.
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Sam: Do you know how many
people died on that bridge?
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Peggy: I believe there was 46.
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Sam: 46 dead? Peggy: Mhm.
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Sam: I mean, if those
guys had let you in,
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You know, you must
think about that sometime.
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Peggy: Yeah, I
would have been right
between them on the bridge.
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That would have
changed my whole life.
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Sam: It was the deadliest bridge
collapse in american history.
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And some locals say it
was caused by the ultimate
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Harbinger of doom.
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Peggy: They said that he
appeared before the bridge fell,
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And it got labeled the mothman.
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It's like a legend,
and the story was that,
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Wherever he was, that there
was going to be a disaster.
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The following year the
point pleasant courthouse
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Had an explosion.
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They blamed the
mothman for that, too.
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Sam: Do you believe it?
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Peggy: I think
there's reason behind it,
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It just didn't happen to happen.
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Sam: So, if you see the
mothman on your bridge,
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Peggy: Don't cross the bridge.
Sam: Don't cross the bridge.
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That's good advice.
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Now here's the thing, I'm not
here to rain on your parade
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About the mothman or any
other fusion of human and
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Nocturnal insect of
the order lepidoptera,
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But this part of west virginia
has seen an awful lot of
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Tragedies since the
curse of the mothman began:
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Rivers of black sludge
wiping out entire towns,
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Mines collapsing,
apocalyptic factory explosions?
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Is it all caused by the mothman?
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This may be not the most
obvious first culprit that
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Comes to mind, but I'm not
carrying a gavel and, hopefully,
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Neither are you, so
instead of getting all judgey,
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Just take my hand and let's jump
down this rabbit hole together.
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Faye: This is the statue here.
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Have y'all seen it?
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Sam: There it is,
what do you think?
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Is that what it looked like?
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Faye: No, that's not
what it looked like.
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It was not
musclebound like that,
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Nor the wings weren't like that.
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Sam: This is faye leport.
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In the fall of '67, she's
one of the many people in
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Point pleasant who
say they say the mothman.
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How old were you at the time?
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Faye: I was about
probably 12, 13 and about
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Where that green sign is.
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Sam: Alright.
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Faye: That's when
my brother noticed
something was beside my window.
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Sam: What was it?
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Faye: It was between a
human and a bird put together,
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And the eyes it had, they
were really big and red.
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You could just
see it plain as day,
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It was just right there.
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Sam: Were you scared? Faye: Yes.
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Sam: So, what happened?
What'd you guys do?
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Faye: My brother starts
speeding up and this was
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The tnt area, where they
made the weapons for the war.
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So he jerked up in here.
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He slammed on the brakes,
and then it jumped right on
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The hood here, and it just
turnt sideways and it took off
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And opened up the big bird-like
wings that was big enough to
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Carry it up, up in
the air like that,
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And it just went
off into the night.
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But my brother wanted
to go back out there,
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So the next day we
come back down here and
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There was the
military already there.
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Sam: Really? Faye: Yeah.
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Sam: Wow!
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It's not just faye
and her brother,
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Other people in town say
they saw the military swarm
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The mothman's lair.
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Faye: There is a bunker up here.
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People say the
mothman lives inside of.
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But I've never been in to it.
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Sam: So this is mothman's lair?
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Faye: Yeah.
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Sam: You want to
come look, faye?
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You coming in with us?
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Faye: No, I'll leave
that all up to y'all.
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Sam: Alright, alright.
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Faye: Don't bring him back.
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Sam: Maybe I'm gonna walk in
there and find visual proof of
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The mysterious bird-man and
make tv history, fame at last!
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Or maybe, maybe more like
geraldo storming al capone's
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Vault utter national
permanent disgrace,
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A mustachioed
laughingstock for eternity.
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If only I could
swing the mustache.
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This is it.
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This is the mothman's lair.
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Hello! Mr. Mothman?
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Sam: Deep in the
mountains of west virginia,
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The people of point pleasant
pinpointed this particular
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Place as the
palace of the pothman.
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Sorry, the alliteration,
just I couldn't stop it.
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As the palace of the mothman,
a flying humanoid creature
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With a terrible curse.
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If you see him, something
awful is gonna happen.
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Do I knock?
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(door screeching)
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Hello? Mr mothman?
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So, this is it,
the mothman's lair.
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Wow!
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This is a tnt storage facility,
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And this whole area is dotted
with these storage bunkers.
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There was 30 or 40 of them.
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This whole facility was
producing tnt all through
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World war ii, and right
at 1945 as the war ended,
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They shut this place down.
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In 1983, this was declared
an epa superfund site.
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So, there's no mothman here,
but there is chemical poisoning.
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From a sudden bridge collapse
that killed 46 people to the
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Military allegedly swarming a
remote tnt bunker in the woods,
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There's no doubt that
strange events have gone down
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In point pleasant,
but is a supernatural
monster really to blame?
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Let's dig deeper into some of
the other mysterious disasters
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From this area.
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The hills in this part of
west virginia are a honeycomb
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Of coal mines.
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It's a dangerous industry,
one that's no
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Stranger to catastrophe.
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Toni: I had a real
good friend got killed.
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You know,
sometimes you're just within
seconds of being a fatality.
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Sam: Wow!
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Sam: Killed him?
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Sam: Ugh!
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Sam: What happened there?
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Sam: There was an explosion?
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Sam: The upper big branch,
or ubb, mine exploded one
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Afternoon in April of 2010,
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Deep in the heart of
west virginia's coal country.
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It was the
deadliest mining disaster in
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The us in more than 35 years.
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Well, it seems like it's
a super dangerous job.
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Dorsel: That is a fact.
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Toni: Coal mining is
dangerous but still,
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You know, I hate to say this,
but most of the fatalities are
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Here in west virginia.
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Sam: No (bleep).
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Toni: It makes you wonder.
Sam: Right.
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Toni: Knock on wood.
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Sam: West virginia often
leads the nation in annual
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Coal mining fatalities,
and that's a contest
nobody wants to win.
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But the truth is, the majority
of the fatalities inside the
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Coal mines of west virginia
happened long before the
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Mothman was even a whisper.
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So, could there be
something else going on here,
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Something more ancient?
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Could it be that the rabbit hole
goes deeper than we thought?
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Now, faye mentioned something
to me yesterday in the car,
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And I had originally
dismissed it as witty banter.
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Sam: Wow!
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Sam: So, who exactly is
this chief cornstalk,
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And could the legend of
the mothman be a distraction
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From another curse?
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Something much older,
something written in blood
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From our savage
colonial history.
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Well, for those of
you in the back seat,
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Buckle up, I've got a theory.
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I'm not saying it's brilliant,
but I'm also not saying
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It's not brilliant.
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Sam: I came to west virginia
to look into the curse
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Of the mothman, a
winged harbinger of doom
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Who first appeared in 1966.
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But there's a laundry list of
tragic events going down here,
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Long before the
mothman even appeared.
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And now I'm hearing
about a lesser known
but much older curse,
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That some say is the origin of
west virginia's tragic history.
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Sam: Wow!
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Sam: Okay, chief cornstalk
and a deathbed curse
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Hundreds of years
before the mothman?
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I'm listening!
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Dan: In the 18th century,
the british governor met this
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Shawnee chief called cornstalk.
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He asked cornstalk for
100,000 acres of indian land,
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And cornstalk told him, "I can't
give you what I don't own."
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The governor told him, "if
you don't give me the land,
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I will come up here
and attack your towns."
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Sam: Because the
shawnee refused this perfectly
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Reasonable offer to just give
their land to the british like
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God intended, the governor
and the colonists attacked.
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They launched a nasty,
six year struggle,
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Culminating in the bloody
battle of point pleasant at
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The confluence of the
kanawha and the ohio rivers,
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The very spot where the
silver bridge would collapse
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Nearly 200 years later.
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The colonists
captured acres of land and
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Slaughtered hundreds of shawnee.
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Three years later,
chief cornstalk
was taken hostage,
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And soon met his final fate.
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Dan: Cornstalk was said to have
raised up one arm, and said,
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"I have never warred with you
save to protect my wigwams
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And my lands, and I
have been murdered.
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For this I call on the
great spirit to blight your
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People and your
industry and your lands.
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May the stain of our blood
curse anything you try to do."
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It was the last thing he said.
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Sam: That's insane, wow!
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Dan: The european community
was scared to death of that.
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Sam: Right.
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Although there's
no written record,
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Some have
interpreted cornstalk's
final words as a curse,
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A decree that all who would
inhabit this land were doomed,
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And if you ask
people around here,
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They may be inclined to agree.
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Dan: I have to say, all
kinds of disappointments
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Has happened here.
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This is a old industrial area
and there's tons of things
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That went wrong.
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Silver bridge was
just one of the things
they blamed on the curse.
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Sam: Interesting.
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The collapse of the
silver bridge might have more
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Of a connection to
chief cornstalk's curse,
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Blighting the
people and industry,
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Than it does to any 8 foot
tall half man, half moth.
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Well, at least there's
a real grievance, right?
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I need to keep digging.
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Kerry: This is it!
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Sam: You were how old?
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Kerry: Nine months old.
Sam: Nine months.
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Kerry: My mother and
brother heard a truck coming,
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And my brother came out
and he was seeing this,
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Just like a tsunami.
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It was about 20 foot of
black water that was just like
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Rushing through the valley.
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Sam: Wow!
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Kerry: So, he went back
in and he told my mother,
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You know, "run for the hills!"
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So, they grabbed me as
fast as they could and ran,
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And the water had
gotten to their ankles,
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So they couldn't pick their
feet up anymore because it's,
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It's a sludge.
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So, the only thing that they
knew to do was to grab one arm
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And one leg, count to three and
throw me as far as they could.
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Sam: And that's what
they did, they just threw
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You as far as they could?
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Kerry: Yeah.
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And after they threw me,
both of them drowned.
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Sam: Ugh!
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Thanks to his mother's heroism,
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Kerry survived.
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He was one of the lucky few.
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Kerry: It was totally
devastating because,
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In this area, there's
about 5,000 people and
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4,000 left homeless,
not to mention that it
was 125 that were killed.
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These were all coal camp houses.
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Sam: Okay.
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Kerry: Coal industry
kind of built them where
they owned the place.
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Sam: They
owned everything, right?
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Kerry: Yeah.
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And when they clean the coal,
they have to put the
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Waste behind a dam.
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Sam: Mhm, right.
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Kerry: And, of course,
they're all made of dirt.
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Sam: Right.
Kerry: But the rain came.
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And, of course, they all broke.
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Sam: Wow!
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Kerry: Everyone in the
community kind of knew that
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Those dirt dams weren't stable,
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But they're very trusting.
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Everyone is very loyal.
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Coal is a good job,
and you know,
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You put faith in your employers.
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Sam: Right.
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What was the coal
company's excuse?
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Kerry: To get out of it,
they said that, you know,
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It rained so hard that
that's an act of god,
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So it was an act of god
that caused the damage.
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And it's insulting just
to think that all the people
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Here are that stupid.
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Look, anybody can
see through that.
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Sam: Right.
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Just trying to weasel
their way out of it.
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So, is this just
another isolated tragedy,
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Or does the data
support a larger pattern of
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West virginia's
industry leading to disaster?
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There's an agency
that has the answers.
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The department of
environmental protection in
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This state has to have a
responsibility to communicate
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With the public and to
take calls with the press.
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So that's exactly
what I'm gonna do.
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I'm gonna make some phone calls,
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Get in touch with
someone at the department
of environmental protection,
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And set up a meeting
so I can ask a high
level government official
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About a 240 year
old shawnee curse
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And maybe hit him hard
with some follow-ups
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About the mothman because, yeah,
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That's what I do now.
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Sam: I came to west virginia
to look into the curse
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Of the mothman, but in just a
few days the situation on the
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Ground has radically changed.
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Dan: Cornstalk said, "I call
on the great spirit to blight
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Your people and your
industry and your lands".
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Toni: Sometimes you're within
seconds of being a fatality.
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Sam: Wow!
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So, we have claims of a
240 year old native american
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Curse blighting the
land and its industry.
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Coincidentally, we
have bridge collapses,
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Failed dams and coal mine
disasters all in the same area.
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So my question is, is
there an actual pattern?
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Is there a
statistical connection between
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West virginian
industry and calamity?
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The key to answering that
question is austin caperton,
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The head of the
state's department of
environmental protection
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And, believe it or not,
he's agreed to speak to me.
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It's not every day you get a
meeting with one of the most
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Powerful people
in the state and,
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As my sixth-grade teacher,
miss zenaski used to say,
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"luck happens when
preparation meets opportunity."
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Because I'm,
looking to get lucky,
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I'm doing my homework before
I sit down with austin in a
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Couple of days.
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♪ ♪
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But you come from
a coal background, right?
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Dustin: Yeah, yeah.
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So, I grew up with
coal miners on both sides of
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My family for generations,
right to my own father.
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Sam: Dustin white,
from the ohio valley
environmental coalition,
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Has been one of the
loudest voices policing the
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00:22:25,311 --> 00:22:29,347
Practices of big business
here in west virginia.
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00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:33,017
But it turns out loud voices
aren't necessarily welcome.
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Dustin: We've had folks who
have had their pets poisoned,
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Homes shot at, tires slashed.
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00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:40,791
My life has been threatened.
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00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:41,726
Sam: Really?
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Dustin: That comes
with the territory.
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You know, growing up,
I was very pro-coal,
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00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,966
But I really had my eyes
opened when I took a fly-over.
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I knew strip mining existed,
but when I saw it from the air
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It just blew my mind, because it
was literally like every other
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Mountain had just
been completely devastated.
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Sam: Strip mining, also
called mountaintop removal,
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It took off in
west virginia in the '90s.
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It turns out sending a bunch
of people into caves to remove
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Coal by hand is expensive,
so the coal companies
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Got a brilliant idea.
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Dustin: They move onto a site,
they bulldoze all the trees.
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00:23:18,564 --> 00:23:20,331
They bring in these drill rigs,
404
00:23:20,366 --> 00:23:22,700
Pack the holes with
ammonium nitrate,
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00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:26,604
Which is also toxic, and
just blow up the mountain.
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00:23:28,508 --> 00:23:29,718
Sam: It's got to
go somewhere, right?
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00:23:29,742 --> 00:23:30,641
Dustin: Exactly.
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00:23:30,676 --> 00:23:33,110
So, of course, now
all the stuff is toxic,
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00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:35,746
It goes into the valley and
now creates just a channel
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For run-off of toxic water.
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At last count, we had over
300 streams in west virginia
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That have been biologically
impaired because of the
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Fossil fuel industries.
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Sam: You know, the
longer we spend here
and the more we learn,
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00:23:58,171 --> 00:24:00,237
Whether the
curse is real or not,
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00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:03,874
The industries are the blight,
and the things that are
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00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:07,244
Destroying the environment
are the things that,
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00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,780
You know, the whole
state is geared around.
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00:24:16,756 --> 00:24:19,023
Sam: Although not
exactly scientific,
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00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:21,592
In this part of west virginia
there certainly does seem to
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00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:23,928
Be a pattern of
catastrophic events and
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00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:27,965
Environmental turmoil
at the hands of industry.
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00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,335
And whether or not there's any
connection to cornstalk's curse,
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00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:33,737
His words still
ring eerily true.
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Sam: A whistleblower who
used to work at one of the
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00:24:42,448 --> 00:24:45,983
Major coal companies has agreed
to give me the lowdown on what
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00:24:46,018 --> 00:24:48,285
Really goes on
behind the scenes.
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00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:51,689
So we're not gonna film
his face or use his name.
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00:24:51,724 --> 00:24:52,890
I'll just call him "bobby."
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00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:27,759
Sam: Right.
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00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:33,597
Crew: Yeah, yeah,
let's get you back.
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00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,034
Sam: Bobby's clearly on edge,
and I've made enough people
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00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:41,372
Edgy in my life to know when
it's time to just call it a day.
434
00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:44,219
Hopefully, he'll be
willing to talk to us
more in a couple of days,
435
00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:46,577
After our meeting
with austin caperton.
436
00:25:48,981 --> 00:25:52,516
(phone ringing)
437
00:25:52,552 --> 00:25:54,885
Crew: Hey? What's going on?
438
00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:56,720
We just wrapped up.
439
00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:59,089
Yeah, no, it went well.
440
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:03,060
Yeah, okay.
441
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:08,399
Alright um, well
sam's not gonna be stoked.
442
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:11,602
Yeah, I'll break the news,
I'll let him know. Bye.
443
00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:16,607
Um so, I just got off
the phone with patrick.
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00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:19,577
Sam: Yeah.
Crew: Caperton bailed.
445
00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:22,746
I wonder why he bailed.
446
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:26,283
Sam: Two short sentences is
all it takes to throw a major
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00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:29,086
Wrench into our gears.
448
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:33,924
Caperton was my
seat at the table.
449
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,360
A meeting with him gave me
access to the highest levels
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Of state government.
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00:26:37,897 --> 00:26:40,208
I mean, I was hoping he would
be the gatekeeper to precious
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Data and reveal what is
actually going on with all the
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Disasters here in west virginia.
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00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:50,741
So, I just can't
take no for an answer.
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00:26:51,043 --> 00:26:52,676
At least not in writing.
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Sam: Good morning, mr. Caperton,
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00:27:03,322 --> 00:27:07,124
This is sam sheridan, and I
was just gonna try one more
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00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:11,695
Time to see if we could have
a conversation and you know,
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00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:14,632
I'd love to hear
your take on things.
460
00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:18,335
Give me a call back on this
number if you get this message
461
00:27:18,371 --> 00:27:20,537
And have any interest, thanks.
462
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:26,810
And that's a
beautiful friendship started.
463
00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:31,560
Although I'm clearly
not above begging,
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00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:34,118
I can tell when I'm
beating a dead horse.
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00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:36,231
So, we got to move on, to one
more meeting that I hope will
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Explain why there seems to be
so many strange disasters here
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00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:41,358
In west virginia.
468
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:45,707
Crew: Let's do it,
get on the road.
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00:27:45,731 --> 00:27:47,264
Sam: Alright.
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00:27:49,902 --> 00:27:53,671
♪ ♪
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Crew: The (bleep)?
Sam: What happened?
472
00:27:59,245 --> 00:28:01,478
Crew: Look at this!
473
00:28:01,514 --> 00:28:05,182
Sam: Oh, (bleep) our
tires got slashed?
474
00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:07,518
Crew: Yeah.
475
00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:11,255
Sam: (bleep).
476
00:28:31,744 --> 00:28:33,811
Crew: What the (bleep)?
477
00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:35,345
Sam: What happened?
478
00:28:35,381 --> 00:28:36,947
Crew: Look at this!
479
00:28:36,982 --> 00:28:40,117
Sam: Oh, (bleep)
our tires got slashed?
480
00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:43,754
(bleep).
481
00:28:45,057 --> 00:28:48,592
Could be a coincidence, or
it could be that word got out
482
00:28:48,627 --> 00:28:52,062
That a film crew was poking
around asking questions that
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00:28:52,098 --> 00:28:54,264
People just don't like.
484
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:58,736
Crew: That's not accidental.
Sam: That's not accidental.
485
00:28:58,771 --> 00:29:01,572
Now it's getting creepy.
486
00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:05,142
So, to review, our
whistleblower gets skittish
487
00:29:05,177 --> 00:29:07,089
On the mountaintop,
and then a high-ranking
488
00:29:07,113 --> 00:29:10,614
Government official sets a
meeting and then cancels it.
489
00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:14,084
And now the air is
let out of our tire.
490
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,353
I have no idea what's
going on and I, you know,
491
00:29:16,388 --> 00:29:18,522
I'm not saying
austin caperton snuck into our
492
00:29:18,591 --> 00:29:22,526
Hotel parking lot during
breakfast and slashed tires,
493
00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:25,496
But I do feel a
little unwelcome.
494
00:29:25,531 --> 00:29:27,598
I am a little concerned now.
495
00:29:27,633 --> 00:29:29,800
It's getting weird.
496
00:29:33,572 --> 00:29:37,141
I'll probably never know
why our tires got slashed,
497
00:29:37,176 --> 00:29:39,676
But we're here to figure out
if a curse is connected to all
498
00:29:39,712 --> 00:29:43,313
The disaster here
in west virginia,
499
00:29:43,349 --> 00:29:45,449
And that's what
we'll continue to do,
500
00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:47,284
With a fresh rental car.
501
00:29:48,387 --> 00:29:49,831
Driving through
the appalachians,
502
00:29:49,855 --> 00:29:52,289
You're just really hit
by the two contrasting
503
00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:55,192
Faces of west virginia.
504
00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:58,595
One minute, god's green earth,
right out of a postcard,
505
00:29:58,631 --> 00:30:01,765
Beautiful mountains
covered in happy little trees,
506
00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:04,568
Just bob ross everywhere.
507
00:30:04,603 --> 00:30:08,739
And then you turn a corner
and it's chemical factories and
508
00:30:08,774 --> 00:30:12,176
Coal plants billowing
particulate and smoke
509
00:30:12,211 --> 00:30:14,077
Of an unknown origin.
510
00:30:14,113 --> 00:30:15,524
It kind of looks like
tim burton's take on
511
00:30:15,548 --> 00:30:17,815
The industrial revolution.
512
00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:21,018
(carnival music playing)
513
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,921
And, whether it's tnt
chemicals left behind inside
514
00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:27,324
The mothman's lair, or
mine explosions or a flood of
515
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:31,562
Black sludge that
wipes out an entire town,
516
00:30:34,066 --> 00:30:37,234
This is a place that has
seen a lot of human tragedy.
517
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:39,770
You can bundle it up
under the blanket of a curse,
518
00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:43,040
But you can't deny that there
is something at work here,
519
00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:46,410
Some relationship between
west virginian industry and a
520
00:30:46,445 --> 00:30:50,247
Seemingly endless
cycle of calamity.
521
00:30:50,616 --> 00:30:54,017
And since austin caperton
won't be providing any answers,
522
00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:58,622
I'm turning to a
trusted old buddy, science.
523
00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:06,563
Matt: So what we do in this
lab is we build stuff and we
524
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,999
Break it to figure out
how to make it stronger.
525
00:31:09,034 --> 00:31:11,301
Sam: What a cool job, man.
526
00:31:11,737 --> 00:31:14,404
No disaster is woven
into the local folklore of
527
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,208
West virginia quite like the
collapse of the silver bridge.
528
00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,277
Peggy: I think
there's a reason behind it.
529
00:31:20,312 --> 00:31:23,347
It just didn't happen to happen.
530
00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:28,185
They said that the mothman
appeared before the bridge fell.
531
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,420
It's like a legend.
532
00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:32,767
Sam: Although I'm fairly
certain a flying cryptid
533
00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:36,793
Didn't case this disaster, the
silver bridge did collapse at
534
00:31:36,829 --> 00:31:40,097
The exact spot where the battle
of point pleasant was fought,
535
00:31:40,132 --> 00:31:41,776
And some say that
was the cause of
536
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,635
Chief cornstalk's dying curse.
537
00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:46,248
Sam: So, what does
science have to say about
538
00:31:46,272 --> 00:31:48,505
That peculiar coincidence?
539
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:50,285
Matt: This is a model
of the silver bridge.
540
00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:51,775
Sam: Cool!
541
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:54,945
Matt: So, the silver bridge was
similar to a suspension bridge,
542
00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:59,783
Except that the suspension
cables were actually eye bars.
543
00:31:59,818 --> 00:32:02,786
Sam: So, tell me exactly
how the silver bridge failed.
544
00:32:02,821 --> 00:32:04,054
What happened?
545
00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:05,967
Matt: There was a flaw, it was
actually located at the end of
546
00:32:05,991 --> 00:32:07,090
The eye bar.
547
00:32:07,126 --> 00:32:08,926
That flaw was
extremely small and actually,
548
00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:12,963
Wasn't visible because it was
hidden under the cap of the pin.
549
00:32:12,998 --> 00:32:17,634
And then this case, a very
small flaw initiated a fracture.
550
00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:20,181
Sam: Can you show me
what that would look like?
551
00:32:20,205 --> 00:32:21,838
Matt: Yeah.
552
00:32:23,943 --> 00:32:26,043
Okay, so we're gonna
apply a tension load,
553
00:32:26,078 --> 00:32:27,878
Meaning we're
gonna pull on this.
554
00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:33,417
Sam: What's this "kip"?
555
00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:34,284
What is that?
556
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,797
Matt: So, a kip is 1,000 pounds,
557
00:32:35,821 --> 00:32:38,588
So we're at .21 thousand pounds,
558
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,691
Or in other words, 22 pounds.
559
00:32:40,726 --> 00:32:43,260
It's incrementally adding load.
560
00:32:43,529 --> 00:32:45,495
This no longer is
contributing at all.
561
00:32:45,531 --> 00:32:48,031
All the force that was in
this component is now dumped
562
00:32:48,067 --> 00:32:48,899
Into this one.
563
00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:50,968
Sam: Right.
564
00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:52,447
Matt: In the case
of the silver bridge,
565
00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:54,471
This happened so fast.
566
00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:57,174
The first one
failed and, immediately.
567
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:01,979
Sam: Let's do it on our model.
568
00:33:02,014 --> 00:33:03,613
Matt: Okay.
569
00:33:04,883 --> 00:33:07,784
Sam: And here's where we smash
stuff in the name of science.
570
00:33:09,688 --> 00:33:12,856
Matt: So we're gonna simulate
the fracture of the eye bar by
571
00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:15,225
Cutting one of
the yellow strings.
572
00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:23,700
When one eye bar failed, there
just wasn't enough capacity in
573
00:33:23,736 --> 00:33:26,603
The rest of the system to
resist all of the weight of
574
00:33:26,638 --> 00:33:30,173
The structure and, therefore,
the entire bridge collapsed.
575
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:40,650
Sam: So, the
silver bridge collapses.
576
00:33:40,719 --> 00:33:43,687
What's the way this
could have been prevented?
577
00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:46,890
Matt: The original designs
for this bridge called for a
578
00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:50,627
Suspension cable, but they
decided to opt for a less
579
00:33:50,662 --> 00:33:53,363
Redundant system
with the eye bar chains,
580
00:33:53,399 --> 00:33:56,099
Which allowed them to
dramatically reduce the cost,
581
00:33:56,135 --> 00:34:00,670
But it also dramatically reduced
the redundancy in the system.
582
00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:03,351
Sam: For those of you
at home who never took an
583
00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:06,576
Interest in civil engineering,
let me spell it out for you.
584
00:34:06,612 --> 00:34:09,679
Redundancy equals safety.
585
00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:12,516
So, if they hadn't done
this with the lowest bidder,
586
00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:15,085
There's a possibility that that
failure would have happened,
587
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,754
But they would have
had enough redundancy that the
588
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:19,189
Bridge wouldn't have collapsed.
589
00:34:19,224 --> 00:34:20,891
Matt: That's right.
590
00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:27,497
Sam: For decades,
west virginians have blamed
591
00:34:27,533 --> 00:34:32,135
An 8 foot tall winged creature
or a 240 year old shawnee curse
592
00:34:32,171 --> 00:34:35,439
For the pattern of
death and destruction.
593
00:34:35,474 --> 00:34:39,876
But it turns out the
truth may be a lot scarier.
594
00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:44,114
I do wonder, you know, how
much of the local disasters
595
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:49,486
Can be thrown on the doorstep
of general economic pressures
596
00:34:49,521 --> 00:34:53,323
And lax government regulations.
597
00:34:54,293 --> 00:34:58,395
If I was a government
official that was part of
the silver bridge fiasco,
598
00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:00,797
I'd be all too happy
to have the public focus
599
00:35:00,833 --> 00:35:03,834
On the mothman or
cornstalk's curse.
600
00:35:03,869 --> 00:35:07,204
The supernatural is a way
easier pill to swallow than
601
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,372
What might be the reality.
602
00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:11,786
I mean, who wants to believe
that their own government is
603
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:15,312
Putting their lives at
risk for a couple extra bucks?
604
00:35:15,814 --> 00:35:17,792
But, putting profits
above people is by
605
00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:19,850
No means unique
to west virginia.
606
00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:24,154
Hell, that's capitalism, which
is as american as apple pie.
607
00:35:24,389 --> 00:35:27,157
So, is there something special
about this area that makes it
608
00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:30,427
Susceptible to the
perils of big business?
609
00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:35,710
Thanks again so much
for taking the time.
610
00:35:35,734 --> 00:35:36,533
Ken: Sure.
611
00:35:36,568 --> 00:35:38,168
Sam: I really appreciate it.
612
00:35:38,203 --> 00:35:39,981
I don't always wear
a linen sports coat,
613
00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:43,206
But when I do, I look
like a rugged james bond.
614
00:35:44,209 --> 00:35:46,454
But you got to dress
the part when you meet
with a macarthur fellow,
615
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,212
Which is the greatest
award for reporting there is.
616
00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:53,884
Ken: West virginia and its
coal industry helped build
617
00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:57,888
This country and
helped win two world wars.
618
00:35:58,090 --> 00:36:00,323
We're not a poor state.
619
00:36:00,359 --> 00:36:02,526
West virginia is a
really rich state,
620
00:36:02,561 --> 00:36:05,162
It's just that the wealth
of it isn't shared among the
621
00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:08,532
People who took that
wealth out of the ground.
622
00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:10,200
Sam: Right.
623
00:36:12,037 --> 00:36:15,739
Ken ward is a reporter who
spent the last 28 years going
624
00:36:15,774 --> 00:36:19,242
Down the exact same rabbit hole
we find ourselves in now.
625
00:36:20,145 --> 00:36:23,246
How does one state get locked
in a particularly bad cycle of
626
00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:25,882
Capitalism and calamity?
627
00:36:28,987 --> 00:36:31,199
Ken: You have, like,
the department of
environmental protection,
628
00:36:31,223 --> 00:36:33,390
That's supposed to
protect people and
629
00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:37,060
The environment from the damages
that the coal industry can do,
630
00:36:37,095 --> 00:36:40,497
And you have a revolving door
there of people who work in
631
00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:44,201
The industry and then take
their turn running the agency,
632
00:36:44,236 --> 00:36:48,438
And then go back out
working for the industry.
633
00:36:48,473 --> 00:36:50,118
Sam: Which seems
like a sort of shameless,
634
00:36:50,142 --> 00:36:51,908
You know, conflict of interest.
635
00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:52,842
Ken: Sure.
636
00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:56,279
And those conflicts
are so out in the open.
637
00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:57,881
They don't hide them.
638
00:36:57,916 --> 00:36:59,816
They're just so
much more brazen.
639
00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:03,687
I think people are
increasingly getting fed up
640
00:37:03,755 --> 00:37:07,057
With the way things
are but, you know,
641
00:37:07,092 --> 00:37:09,693
Power doesn't give
up power easily.
642
00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:11,739
Sam: Nobody gives up power,
you have to take it.
643
00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:13,930
Ken: That's right.
644
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,010
Sam: In every
state in the nation,
645
00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:18,935
There's supposed to be a system
in place to provide oversight,
646
00:37:18,971 --> 00:37:21,605
That's government regulations.
647
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,007
But, according to ken,
west virginian business is
648
00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:27,143
Operating
particularly unchecked,
649
00:37:27,179 --> 00:37:30,280
So why aren't more
people taking notice?
650
00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,483
Well, maybe they're too
distracted by an 8 foot tall,
651
00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:36,119
Stainless steel monument.
652
00:37:37,422 --> 00:37:40,890
So maybe we just need
a stronger visual aid.
653
00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:43,793
Luckily, our coal company
whistle-blower has agreed to
654
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:47,163
Help us try and get footage of
illegal activity by one of the
655
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,200
Mountaintop removal companies.
656
00:37:50,235 --> 00:37:53,069
I'm hoping that video proof
of business run rampant in
657
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:56,172
West virginia
will help us get the
attention of state officials,
658
00:37:56,208 --> 00:37:58,842
Like austin caperton.
659
00:38:03,048 --> 00:38:06,449
This is it here,
and this is his car.
660
00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:10,761
Sam: That's our boy.
661
00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:19,030
Sam: Hey, man.
662
00:38:19,398 --> 00:38:20,398
Sam: I know.
663
00:38:34,146 --> 00:38:35,712
Sam: And this is his car.
664
00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:39,323
Sam: That's our boy.
665
00:38:46,458 --> 00:38:47,458
Sam: Hey, man!
666
00:38:48,393 --> 00:38:49,859
Sam: I know.
667
00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:54,998
Hey, man! Did
something go wrong?
668
00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:02,672
Sam: Man.
669
00:39:02,708 --> 00:39:04,588
There's nothing
we can do to help.
670
00:39:06,478 --> 00:39:07,877
Sam: No, no, we'll leave!
671
00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,358
Sam: We'll leave, we'll leave,
we'll leave, we'll leave.
672
00:39:10,382 --> 00:39:11,514
Alright, we're leaving.
673
00:39:13,819 --> 00:39:15,699
Sam: Well, that
was short and sweet.
674
00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:19,923
Sam: Short.
675
00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:21,803
You know, we had our
tires slashed this morning.
676
00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:24,828
You know, you're starting to
definitely feel not wanted.
677
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:26,563
That's not a great feeling.
678
00:39:32,437 --> 00:39:33,681
Brett: We were not surprised
that austin caperton didn't
679
00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:34,537
Want to talk to us.
680
00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:35,405
Sam: Yeah.
681
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,673
Brett: And dropped out.
682
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:38,820
But I was not expecting the
guy who is supposed to be the
683
00:39:38,844 --> 00:39:41,678
State's biggest watchdog.
684
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,214
Sam: This is a guy that you
thought was bulletproof, right?
685
00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:48,118
Like, this is a guy that's like
a professional pot-stirrer.
686
00:39:48,153 --> 00:39:50,198
Brett: Somebody got to him.
Sam: Something happened.
687
00:39:50,222 --> 00:39:51,187
It's bananas.
688
00:39:51,223 --> 00:39:52,589
Brett: Yeah.
689
00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:54,369
Sam: When I was a kid,
there was another kid down the
690
00:39:54,393 --> 00:39:57,360
Street from me who once
held me at gunpoint with his
691
00:39:57,396 --> 00:40:01,164
Super soaker full of pee-pee.
692
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:03,466
Those were his words, not mine.
693
00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:06,214
I didn't really expect to
relive that moment when we
694
00:40:06,238 --> 00:40:08,438
Came to west virginia,
getting into the curse
695
00:40:08,473 --> 00:40:11,741
Of mothman and chief cornstalk.
696
00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:15,678
Sometimes, when
people are afraid to talk,
697
00:40:15,714 --> 00:40:18,148
That's where the
gold lies and, luckily,
698
00:40:18,183 --> 00:40:21,351
I was able to find a few
brave voices who dared to
699
00:40:21,386 --> 00:40:23,253
Penetrate that silence.
700
00:40:23,288 --> 00:40:26,256
I've tracked down a woman
named susie worley-jenkins,
701
00:40:26,291 --> 00:40:29,526
And she lives in a tiny
town called minden and,
702
00:40:29,561 --> 00:40:32,595
Unlike everyone else
we've tried to talk to,
703
00:40:32,631 --> 00:40:35,732
She and her doctor
want their story told.
704
00:40:38,303 --> 00:40:39,814
When did you become
aware of, you know,
705
00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:40,915
What was going on here?
706
00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:42,884
Susie: About 38 years ago,
because there was, like,
707
00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:45,408
2,000 people lived here
in this area and there's
708
00:40:45,444 --> 00:40:51,648
460 some people that we're
aware of that died with cancer.
709
00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,951
Sam: Wow! Susie: Yeah.
710
00:40:55,253 --> 00:40:57,854
Ayne: My dad was a
hematologist/oncologist,
711
00:40:57,889 --> 00:41:01,458
And his specialty was cancer,
and a lot of the patients that
712
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:04,561
Were coming in were coal miners
and he noticed that they all
713
00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:06,207
Came from minden,
and so he was wondering if
714
00:41:06,231 --> 00:41:09,299
Something was in the environment
affecting these people.
715
00:41:09,334 --> 00:41:10,300
Sam: Right.
716
00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,180
Ayne: So, he started
looking into the pcbs.
717
00:41:12,204 --> 00:41:13,670
Sam: What's a pcb?
718
00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:16,250
Ayne: It's an organic
compound that comes in
this jelly-like substance.
719
00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:17,440
It looks like oil.
720
00:41:17,476 --> 00:41:19,120
They use it in
mining equipment a lot.
721
00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:22,545
They put it in transformers
or equipment to transfer heat.
722
00:41:22,581 --> 00:41:25,081
Susie: My husband worked
fixing transformers for all
723
00:41:25,116 --> 00:41:26,850
These coal mines and stuff.
724
00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:29,118
He remembers all the
stuff in those transformers,
725
00:41:29,154 --> 00:41:32,589
And it had all of that pcbs
in it and oils and stuff.
726
00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:36,459
Ayne: By 1979 or so,
they realized that
pcbs as cancer causing.
727
00:41:36,495 --> 00:41:37,894
Sam: Okay.
728
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,441
Ayne: So by the
early '80s, they stopped
letting companies use it.
729
00:41:40,465 --> 00:41:42,276
So what happened back
then is they put all these
730
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:46,703
Transformers or
equipment in drums and
buried the drums in the soil,
731
00:41:46,738 --> 00:41:49,016
Or they just took the stuff
themselves and buried them.
732
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,785
Sam: But they're burying them,
just like in these barrels or
733
00:41:50,809 --> 00:41:53,076
Even loose, so they're leaking?
734
00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:55,044
Ayne: Yes.
735
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,214
Susie: They used to take all
the pcbs and just dump it into
736
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:59,115
The mud wherever.
737
00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:00,316
Sam: Just dump it?
738
00:42:00,352 --> 00:42:02,129
Susie: And all of these
different waterways we have
739
00:42:02,153 --> 00:42:05,188
Underground was
catching all that.
740
00:42:05,223 --> 00:42:06,767
Ayne: And that is
what our problem is,
741
00:42:06,791 --> 00:42:09,192
Everyone that lives there
has been kind of soaking and
742
00:42:09,227 --> 00:42:12,896
Bathing in you know,
carcinogenic matter.
743
00:42:13,798 --> 00:42:15,843
Susie: We lost our parents,
brothers, you know, and
744
00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:18,668
My neighbors over here
died with brain tumors.
745
00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:21,538
Skin cancer, breast cancer,
and kids, you know,
746
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:24,707
That was dying
with leukemia, brain tumors.
747
00:42:24,743 --> 00:42:27,343
My mom died with
small cell lung cancer,
748
00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:30,480
And my husband's had cancer,
I've had cancer six times.
749
00:42:30,515 --> 00:42:32,448
Sam: Oh my god!
750
00:42:32,484 --> 00:42:34,328
Ayne: Right now, the main
goal and the only goal is the
751
00:42:34,352 --> 00:42:36,119
Residents want to move,
and that's.
752
00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:37,532
Sam: Because they just feel
like they're being poisoned.
753
00:42:37,556 --> 00:42:38,521
Ayne: Correct.
754
00:42:38,557 --> 00:42:42,625
Toni: There's 250 people
left out of about 2,000.
755
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:43,693
Sam: 2,000.
756
00:42:43,728 --> 00:42:46,062
Susie: There's 199 houses left.
757
00:42:46,097 --> 00:42:48,464
They don't have any equity,
nothing in their homes,
758
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:49,740
Because they're worth nothing.
759
00:42:49,768 --> 00:42:50,900
Sam: Yeah.
760
00:42:50,936 --> 00:42:54,170
I mean, who's gonna buy
anything down in a toxic area?
761
00:42:54,205 --> 00:42:57,574
Susie: Exactly.
Sam: Is there any hope?
762
00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:58,686
Do you think
anything's gonna happen,
763
00:42:58,710 --> 00:43:00,877
Or is it just gonna
keep getting worse?
764
00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:03,680
Susie: I think it's gonna get
worse if we don't get some help.
765
00:43:03,715 --> 00:43:05,715
Sam: Do you expect any action?
766
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:07,884
Ayne: Truthfully, no.
Susie: They don't care.
767
00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:09,552
Sam: Right.
768
00:43:09,588 --> 00:43:11,098
They're just
waiting for it to go away.
769
00:43:11,122 --> 00:43:13,222
Susie: Exactly.
770
00:43:19,698 --> 00:43:21,576
Sam: The good news for the
people of minden is that,
771
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,801
After 30 years of lobbying,
the town has finally been
772
00:43:24,836 --> 00:43:28,738
Added to the epa's list
for further examination,
773
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,851
Which is great, because it's
the first step toward actually
774
00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:34,377
Getting their town relocated
off this toxic waste dump.
775
00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:36,012
The bad news?
776
00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:41,651
There are 1,334 sites
that join them on the list.
777
00:43:44,756 --> 00:43:48,391
There is a blight on the land
and the people of west virginia,
778
00:43:48,426 --> 00:43:49,870
And it's not a
winged creature or
779
00:43:49,894 --> 00:43:52,962
The dying words of a
native american chief.
780
00:43:53,298 --> 00:43:56,299
Clearly, we've stumbled upon
something much more tangible
781
00:43:56,334 --> 00:43:59,969
Than the
supernatural in the hills
and hollers of west virginia.
782
00:44:00,005 --> 00:44:02,705
And it seems to me that the
perpetuation of a curse may
783
00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:05,708
Just be a ploy to keep
people from noticing that
784
00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:09,145
Big business is ruining
the land and destroying the
785
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,348
People in the name of profit.
786
00:44:12,384 --> 00:44:15,018
The truth is,
west virginia is cursed,
787
00:44:15,053 --> 00:44:18,788
By the resources
that lie beneath it,
788
00:44:18,823 --> 00:44:20,623
And that's the real tragedy.
789
00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:22,699
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