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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,541 --> 00:00:10,843 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:13,981 --> 00:00:15,514 Sam: This is his car. 3 00:00:18,386 --> 00:00:19,426 Sam: That's our boy. 4 00:00:25,893 --> 00:00:27,059 Sam: Hey man! 5 00:00:30,064 --> 00:00:32,464 Sam: Well, that happened. 6 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:35,034 You might be wondering how I ended up here. 7 00:00:35,069 --> 00:00:36,535 I know I am. 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,218 I was just planning to get on a plane and knock back a 9 00:00:41,242 --> 00:00:43,976 Gin and tonic or a couple of sambucas, 10 00:00:44,011 --> 00:00:48,414 And after a nice turbulence-free flight we're in west virginia. 11 00:00:48,449 --> 00:00:51,150 I'll take a whimsical look at the curse of a mythical winged 12 00:00:51,185 --> 00:00:54,753 Creature called the mothman. 13 00:00:55,723 --> 00:00:58,057 I was gonna, you know, maybe stake out a haunted house, 14 00:00:58,092 --> 00:01:01,727 Take a boat ride, do a rock skipping contest. 15 00:01:01,762 --> 00:01:04,263 I'm pretty good at skipping rocks. 16 00:01:04,298 --> 00:01:07,266 But then, just like senior prom, 17 00:01:07,301 --> 00:01:09,835 Nothing goes quite as you hoped. 18 00:01:11,205 --> 00:01:12,638 Crew: Our tires got slashed? 19 00:01:12,673 --> 00:01:13,839 Sam: Yeah. 20 00:01:14,742 --> 00:01:17,543 Dan: Chief cornstalk said, "may the stain of our blood 21 00:01:17,578 --> 00:01:21,080 Curse your lands and your industry." 22 00:01:21,749 --> 00:01:23,816 Peggy: The mothman appeared. 23 00:01:23,851 --> 00:01:27,519 Dorsel: And boom! The ubb mine blew up. 24 00:01:32,626 --> 00:01:37,362 ♪ ♪ 25 00:01:39,733 --> 00:01:42,334 Sam: We are down in the holler now. 26 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:45,904 Here's a quick story about point pleasant, west virginia, 27 00:01:45,940 --> 00:01:48,474 A town with a terrific name. 28 00:01:50,077 --> 00:01:53,245 So, it's November 1966, and a couple of guys are digging 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,414 A grave at the local cemetery. 30 00:01:55,449 --> 00:01:57,549 Don't worry, it's their job. 31 00:01:57,585 --> 00:02:00,085 When suddenly they see a large winged creature with 32 00:02:00,121 --> 00:02:03,288 Red eyes hovering over them. 33 00:02:03,324 --> 00:02:05,268 Three days later, some teenagers are playing 34 00:02:05,292 --> 00:02:09,761 Grab (bleep) at the local abandoned tnt storage facility, 35 00:02:09,797 --> 00:02:12,030 You know, where we all had our first kiss, 36 00:02:12,066 --> 00:02:14,433 And they see this humanoid winged creature, 37 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:18,670 But this time it follows their car going 100 miles an hour. 38 00:02:18,706 --> 00:02:20,750 Next thing you know it's taken another guy's dog, 39 00:02:20,774 --> 00:02:23,208 And then here's where the story gets really weird. 40 00:02:25,412 --> 00:02:27,791 People all over town started reporting these strangers in 41 00:02:27,815 --> 00:02:31,450 Suits and a waitress in a diner says they ordered food 42 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:34,586 But didn't know how to use their hands to pick up their utensils. 43 00:02:34,622 --> 00:02:36,989 No, seriously, she said that. 44 00:02:37,424 --> 00:02:40,926 And then, in December of '67, people said they saw the 45 00:02:40,961 --> 00:02:43,362 Mothman circling a bridge. 46 00:02:43,397 --> 00:02:46,999 Seconds later, the unthinkable happens. 47 00:02:49,003 --> 00:02:52,137 Peggy: It was December 15th, a Friday. 48 00:02:52,173 --> 00:02:55,974 It was really gray and overcast that day. 49 00:02:56,010 --> 00:02:56,942 It was cold. 50 00:02:56,977 --> 00:02:58,677 Sam: Right. 51 00:02:59,146 --> 00:03:02,414 Peggy hubert was 21 years old and driving her brand-new 52 00:03:02,449 --> 00:03:06,118 Red convertible the day the curse of the mothman really took off. 53 00:03:08,122 --> 00:03:10,923 Peggy: Traffic was extremely heavy, 54 00:03:10,958 --> 00:03:14,960 And two semis went by, and they wouldn't give me 55 00:03:14,995 --> 00:03:16,762 A break in traffic. 56 00:03:16,797 --> 00:03:18,775 Sam: Were they kind of giving you, like, a little bit of a hard time? 57 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:19,998 Peggy: Yeah. 58 00:03:20,034 --> 00:03:21,878 I couldn't make the green light, 59 00:03:21,902 --> 00:03:27,439 So I stopped, and I had reached down to check the 60 00:03:27,474 --> 00:03:32,344 Knobs on the radio and heard this awful noise. 61 00:03:34,048 --> 00:03:37,683 And when I looked up, the bridge was falling. 62 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:40,953 It just looked like tinkertoys. 63 00:03:41,522 --> 00:03:46,925 The cars fell and the steel beams fell on top of the cars. 64 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:53,732 Sam: Do you know how many people died on that bridge? 65 00:03:53,767 --> 00:03:56,668 Peggy: I believe there was 46. 66 00:03:56,704 --> 00:03:59,238 Sam: 46 dead? Peggy: Mhm. 67 00:03:59,273 --> 00:04:00,984 Sam: I mean, if those guys had let you in, 68 00:04:01,008 --> 00:04:02,519 You know, you must think about that sometime. 69 00:04:02,543 --> 00:04:05,844 Peggy: Yeah, I would have been right between them on the bridge. 70 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:08,513 That would have changed my whole life. 71 00:04:09,083 --> 00:04:13,652 Sam: It was the deadliest bridge collapse in american history. 72 00:04:15,789 --> 00:04:18,590 And some locals say it was caused by the ultimate 73 00:04:18,626 --> 00:04:21,660 Harbinger of doom. 74 00:04:21,895 --> 00:04:25,564 Peggy: They said that he appeared before the bridge fell, 75 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:29,601 And it got labeled the mothman. 76 00:04:30,471 --> 00:04:34,306 It's like a legend, and the story was that, 77 00:04:34,341 --> 00:04:38,777 Wherever he was, that there was going to be a disaster. 78 00:04:39,113 --> 00:04:44,082 The following year the point pleasant courthouse 79 00:04:44,118 --> 00:04:47,019 Had an explosion. 80 00:04:47,054 --> 00:04:49,588 They blamed the mothman for that, too. 81 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:52,057 Sam: Do you believe it? 82 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:54,393 Peggy: I think there's reason behind it, 83 00:04:54,428 --> 00:04:56,261 It just didn't happen to happen. 84 00:04:56,297 --> 00:04:58,141 Sam: So, if you see the mothman on your bridge, 85 00:04:58,165 --> 00:05:00,543 Peggy: Don't cross the bridge. Sam: Don't cross the bridge. 86 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:02,934 That's good advice. 87 00:05:06,407 --> 00:05:09,608 Now here's the thing, I'm not here to rain on your parade 88 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:12,911 About the mothman or any other fusion of human and 89 00:05:12,946 --> 00:05:16,715 Nocturnal insect of the order lepidoptera, 90 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:19,818 But this part of west virginia has seen an awful lot of 91 00:05:19,853 --> 00:05:23,422 Tragedies since the curse of the mothman began: 92 00:05:23,457 --> 00:05:27,626 Rivers of black sludge wiping out entire towns, 93 00:05:27,695 --> 00:05:32,364 Mines collapsing, apocalyptic factory explosions? 94 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:34,766 Is it all caused by the mothman? 95 00:05:34,802 --> 00:05:37,302 This may be not the most obvious first culprit that 96 00:05:37,338 --> 00:05:41,139 Comes to mind, but I'm not carrying a gavel and, hopefully, 97 00:05:41,175 --> 00:05:44,343 Neither are you, so instead of getting all judgey, 98 00:05:44,378 --> 00:05:48,380 Just take my hand and let's jump down this rabbit hole together. 99 00:05:54,288 --> 00:05:55,821 Faye: This is the statue here. 100 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:56,755 Have y'all seen it? 101 00:05:56,790 --> 00:05:58,790 Sam: There it is, what do you think? 102 00:05:58,826 --> 00:05:59,725 Is that what it looked like? 103 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,194 Faye: No, that's not what it looked like. 104 00:06:02,229 --> 00:06:04,463 It was not musclebound like that, 105 00:06:04,498 --> 00:06:07,666 Nor the wings weren't like that. 106 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:09,134 Sam: This is faye leport. 107 00:06:09,169 --> 00:06:11,837 In the fall of '67, she's one of the many people in 108 00:06:11,872 --> 00:06:15,640 Point pleasant who say they say the mothman. 109 00:06:15,676 --> 00:06:16,641 How old were you at the time? 110 00:06:16,677 --> 00:06:20,345 Faye: I was about probably 12, 13 and about 111 00:06:20,381 --> 00:06:22,180 Where that green sign is. 112 00:06:22,216 --> 00:06:23,548 Sam: Alright. 113 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:27,386 Faye: That's when my brother noticed something was beside my window. 114 00:06:27,421 --> 00:06:28,620 Sam: What was it? 115 00:06:28,655 --> 00:06:34,459 Faye: It was between a human and a bird put together, 116 00:06:34,495 --> 00:06:39,398 And the eyes it had, they were really big and red. 117 00:06:39,433 --> 00:06:41,044 You could just see it plain as day, 118 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:42,734 It was just right there. 119 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:46,471 Sam: Were you scared? Faye: Yes. 120 00:06:46,507 --> 00:06:48,418 Sam: So, what happened? What'd you guys do? 121 00:06:48,442 --> 00:06:51,576 Faye: My brother starts speeding up and this was 122 00:06:51,612 --> 00:06:56,581 The tnt area, where they made the weapons for the war. 123 00:06:56,617 --> 00:06:59,651 So he jerked up in here. 124 00:06:59,686 --> 00:07:03,221 He slammed on the brakes, and then it jumped right on 125 00:07:03,257 --> 00:07:08,693 The hood here, and it just turnt sideways and it took off 126 00:07:08,729 --> 00:07:13,331 And opened up the big bird-like wings that was big enough to 127 00:07:13,367 --> 00:07:16,101 Carry it up, up in the air like that, 128 00:07:16,136 --> 00:07:20,439 And it just went off into the night. 129 00:07:20,474 --> 00:07:23,241 But my brother wanted to go back out there, 130 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:26,611 So the next day we come back down here and 131 00:07:26,647 --> 00:07:29,381 There was the military already there. 132 00:07:29,416 --> 00:07:30,427 Sam: Really? Faye: Yeah. 133 00:07:30,451 --> 00:07:31,349 Sam: Wow! 134 00:07:31,385 --> 00:07:34,352 It's not just faye and her brother, 135 00:07:34,388 --> 00:07:37,289 Other people in town say they saw the military swarm 136 00:07:37,324 --> 00:07:39,858 The mothman's lair. 137 00:07:39,893 --> 00:07:42,494 Faye: There is a bunker up here. 138 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:45,864 People say the mothman lives inside of. 139 00:07:45,899 --> 00:07:50,235 But I've never been in to it. 140 00:07:51,138 --> 00:07:52,904 Sam: So this is mothman's lair? 141 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:54,339 Faye: Yeah. 142 00:07:54,374 --> 00:07:55,452 Sam: You want to come look, faye? 143 00:07:55,476 --> 00:07:56,486 You coming in with us? 144 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:58,577 Faye: No, I'll leave that all up to y'all. 145 00:07:58,612 --> 00:07:59,911 Sam: Alright, alright. 146 00:07:59,947 --> 00:08:02,280 Faye: Don't bring him back. 147 00:08:08,121 --> 00:08:10,789 Sam: Maybe I'm gonna walk in there and find visual proof of 148 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:15,894 The mysterious bird-man and make tv history, fame at last! 149 00:08:15,929 --> 00:08:18,964 Or maybe, maybe more like geraldo storming al capone's 150 00:08:18,999 --> 00:08:22,767 Vault utter national permanent disgrace, 151 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:25,704 A mustachioed laughingstock for eternity. 152 00:08:25,739 --> 00:08:28,373 If only I could swing the mustache. 153 00:08:28,976 --> 00:08:30,442 This is it. 154 00:08:30,477 --> 00:08:33,512 This is the mothman's lair. 155 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:41,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 156 00:08:43,123 --> 00:08:44,856 Hello! Mr. Mothman? 157 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:58,570 Sam: Deep in the mountains of west virginia, 158 00:08:58,605 --> 00:09:01,540 The people of point pleasant pinpointed this particular 159 00:09:01,575 --> 00:09:04,276 Place as the palace of the pothman. 160 00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:07,712 Sorry, the alliteration, just I couldn't stop it. 161 00:09:07,748 --> 00:09:11,349 As the palace of the mothman, a flying humanoid creature 162 00:09:11,385 --> 00:09:13,919 With a terrible curse. 163 00:09:14,254 --> 00:09:17,522 If you see him, something awful is gonna happen. 164 00:09:21,695 --> 00:09:23,762 Do I knock? 165 00:09:25,599 --> 00:09:29,100 (door screeching) 166 00:09:33,473 --> 00:09:35,874 Hello? Mr mothman? 167 00:09:40,213 --> 00:09:44,549 So, this is it, the mothman's lair. 168 00:09:48,589 --> 00:09:50,522 Wow! 169 00:09:52,292 --> 00:09:55,961 This is a tnt storage facility, 170 00:09:55,996 --> 00:10:02,801 And this whole area is dotted with these storage bunkers. 171 00:10:03,403 --> 00:10:07,706 There was 30 or 40 of them. 172 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:14,079 This whole facility was producing tnt all through 173 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:19,851 World war ii, and right at 1945 as the war ended, 174 00:10:19,886 --> 00:10:22,754 They shut this place down. 175 00:10:23,323 --> 00:10:28,960 In 1983, this was declared an epa superfund site. 176 00:10:31,531 --> 00:10:37,869 So, there's no mothman here, but there is chemical poisoning. 177 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:43,842 From a sudden bridge collapse that killed 46 people to the 178 00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:48,146 Military allegedly swarming a remote tnt bunker in the woods, 179 00:10:48,181 --> 00:10:50,649 There's no doubt that strange events have gone down 180 00:10:50,684 --> 00:10:55,553 In point pleasant, but is a supernatural monster really to blame? 181 00:10:56,556 --> 00:10:59,524 Let's dig deeper into some of the other mysterious disasters 182 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,526 From this area. 183 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,974 The hills in this part of west virginia are a honeycomb 184 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:17,676 Of coal mines. 185 00:11:17,711 --> 00:11:19,678 It's a dangerous industry, one that's no 186 00:11:19,713 --> 00:11:22,213 Stranger to catastrophe. 187 00:11:25,318 --> 00:11:26,929 Toni: I had a real good friend got killed. 188 00:11:26,953 --> 00:11:30,989 You know, sometimes you're just within seconds of being a fatality. 189 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:37,630 Sam: Wow! 190 00:11:44,671 --> 00:11:45,737 Sam: Killed him? 191 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:48,340 Sam: Ugh! 192 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:53,999 Sam: What happened there? 193 00:11:59,686 --> 00:12:00,886 Sam: There was an explosion? 194 00:12:06,093 --> 00:12:09,561 Sam: The upper big branch, or ubb, mine exploded one 195 00:12:09,596 --> 00:12:11,963 Afternoon in April of 2010, 196 00:12:11,998 --> 00:12:14,733 Deep in the heart of west virginia's coal country. 197 00:12:14,768 --> 00:12:16,701 It was the deadliest mining disaster in 198 00:12:16,737 --> 00:12:20,205 The us in more than 35 years. 199 00:12:21,975 --> 00:12:24,120 Well, it seems like it's a super dangerous job. 200 00:12:24,144 --> 00:12:26,511 Dorsel: That is a fact. 201 00:12:26,546 --> 00:12:28,558 Toni: Coal mining is dangerous but still, 202 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:32,917 You know, I hate to say this, but most of the fatalities are 203 00:12:32,953 --> 00:12:34,753 Here in west virginia. 204 00:12:34,788 --> 00:12:37,222 Sam: No (bleep). 205 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:40,225 Toni: It makes you wonder. Sam: Right. 206 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:42,260 Toni: Knock on wood. 207 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:46,064 Sam: West virginia often leads the nation in annual 208 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:50,435 Coal mining fatalities, and that's a contest nobody wants to win. 209 00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:54,806 But the truth is, the majority of the fatalities inside the 210 00:12:54,841 --> 00:12:57,742 Coal mines of west virginia happened long before the 211 00:12:57,778 --> 00:13:00,011 Mothman was even a whisper. 212 00:13:01,248 --> 00:13:03,314 So, could there be something else going on here, 213 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:06,017 Something more ancient? 214 00:13:07,487 --> 00:13:10,922 Could it be that the rabbit hole goes deeper than we thought? 215 00:13:11,158 --> 00:13:13,825 Now, faye mentioned something to me yesterday in the car, 216 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:16,294 And I had originally dismissed it as witty banter. 217 00:13:24,004 --> 00:13:25,004 Sam: Wow! 218 00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:41,319 Sam: So, who exactly is this chief cornstalk, 219 00:13:41,354 --> 00:13:43,988 And could the legend of the mothman be a distraction 220 00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:46,925 From another curse? 221 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,260 Something much older, something written in blood 222 00:13:49,296 --> 00:13:52,230 From our savage colonial history. 223 00:13:52,265 --> 00:13:54,332 Well, for those of you in the back seat, 224 00:13:54,367 --> 00:13:56,835 Buckle up, I've got a theory. 225 00:13:57,103 --> 00:14:01,806 I'm not saying it's brilliant, but I'm also not saying 226 00:14:01,842 --> 00:14:03,241 It's not brilliant. 227 00:14:16,056 --> 00:14:17,733 Sam: I came to west virginia to look into the curse 228 00:14:17,757 --> 00:14:21,626 Of the mothman, a winged harbinger of doom 229 00:14:21,661 --> 00:14:25,096 Who first appeared in 1966. 230 00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:28,466 But there's a laundry list of tragic events going down here, 231 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:31,102 Long before the mothman even appeared. 232 00:14:31,137 --> 00:14:35,273 And now I'm hearing about a lesser known but much older curse, 233 00:14:35,308 --> 00:14:38,676 That some say is the origin of west virginia's tragic history. 234 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:44,350 Sam: Wow! 235 00:14:51,258 --> 00:14:54,092 Sam: Okay, chief cornstalk and a deathbed curse 236 00:14:54,127 --> 00:14:57,061 Hundreds of years before the mothman? 237 00:14:57,097 --> 00:14:59,163 I'm listening! 238 00:15:03,837 --> 00:15:06,738 Dan: In the 18th century, the british governor met this 239 00:15:06,773 --> 00:15:09,007 Shawnee chief called cornstalk. 240 00:15:12,112 --> 00:15:15,413 He asked cornstalk for 100,000 acres of indian land, 241 00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:19,317 And cornstalk told him, "I can't give you what I don't own." 242 00:15:21,221 --> 00:15:23,466 The governor told him, "if you don't give me the land, 243 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:26,057 I will come up here and attack your towns." 244 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,293 Sam: Because the shawnee refused this perfectly 245 00:15:28,328 --> 00:15:31,162 Reasonable offer to just give their land to the british like 246 00:15:31,197 --> 00:15:34,532 God intended, the governor and the colonists attacked. 247 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:36,479 They launched a nasty, six year struggle, 248 00:15:36,503 --> 00:15:39,304 Culminating in the bloody battle of point pleasant at 249 00:15:39,339 --> 00:15:42,273 The confluence of the kanawha and the ohio rivers, 250 00:15:42,309 --> 00:15:44,809 The very spot where the silver bridge would collapse 251 00:15:44,844 --> 00:15:47,345 Nearly 200 years later. 252 00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:50,782 The colonists captured acres of land and 253 00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:53,718 Slaughtered hundreds of shawnee. 254 00:15:53,753 --> 00:15:57,221 Three years later, chief cornstalk was taken hostage, 255 00:15:57,257 --> 00:16:00,358 And soon met his final fate. 256 00:16:00,393 --> 00:16:05,229 Dan: Cornstalk was said to have raised up one arm, and said, 257 00:16:05,265 --> 00:16:08,733 "I have never warred with you save to protect my wigwams 258 00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:12,971 And my lands, and I have been murdered. 259 00:16:13,006 --> 00:16:16,674 For this I call on the great spirit to blight your 260 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:20,478 People and your industry and your lands. 261 00:16:20,513 --> 00:16:24,215 May the stain of our blood curse anything you try to do." 262 00:16:24,250 --> 00:16:25,328 It was the last thing he said. 263 00:16:25,352 --> 00:16:26,551 Sam: That's insane, wow! 264 00:16:26,586 --> 00:16:28,064 Dan: The european community was scared to death of that. 265 00:16:28,088 --> 00:16:30,021 Sam: Right. 266 00:16:30,056 --> 00:16:31,600 Although there's no written record, 267 00:16:31,624 --> 00:16:35,093 Some have interpreted cornstalk's final words as a curse, 268 00:16:35,128 --> 00:16:39,197 A decree that all who would inhabit this land were doomed, 269 00:16:39,232 --> 00:16:41,432 And if you ask people around here, 270 00:16:41,468 --> 00:16:45,703 They may be inclined to agree. 271 00:16:45,739 --> 00:16:49,707 Dan: I have to say, all kinds of disappointments 272 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,809 Has happened here. 273 00:16:52,645 --> 00:16:55,480 This is a old industrial area and there's tons of things 274 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,749 That went wrong. 275 00:16:58,752 --> 00:17:04,155 Silver bridge was just one of the things they blamed on the curse. 276 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:07,058 Sam: Interesting. 277 00:17:11,197 --> 00:17:12,975 The collapse of the silver bridge might have more 278 00:17:12,999 --> 00:17:15,733 Of a connection to chief cornstalk's curse, 279 00:17:15,769 --> 00:17:18,102 Blighting the people and industry, 280 00:17:18,138 --> 00:17:22,907 Than it does to any 8 foot tall half man, half moth. 281 00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:26,711 Well, at least there's a real grievance, right? 282 00:17:26,746 --> 00:17:28,780 I need to keep digging. 283 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:31,749 Kerry: This is it! 284 00:17:31,818 --> 00:17:32,828 Sam: You were how old? 285 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:34,630 Kerry: Nine months old. Sam: Nine months. 286 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:38,656 Kerry: My mother and brother heard a truck coming, 287 00:17:38,691 --> 00:17:41,459 And my brother came out and he was seeing this, 288 00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:42,860 Just like a tsunami. 289 00:17:42,896 --> 00:17:45,730 It was about 20 foot of black water that was just like 290 00:17:45,765 --> 00:17:46,998 Rushing through the valley. 291 00:17:47,033 --> 00:17:48,833 Sam: Wow! 292 00:17:48,868 --> 00:17:51,169 Kerry: So, he went back in and he told my mother, 293 00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:52,670 You know, "run for the hills!" 294 00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:55,039 So, they grabbed me as fast as they could and ran, 295 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:58,476 And the water had gotten to their ankles, 296 00:17:58,511 --> 00:18:00,878 So they couldn't pick their feet up anymore because it's, 297 00:18:00,914 --> 00:18:04,482 It's a sludge. 298 00:18:05,018 --> 00:18:09,087 So, the only thing that they knew to do was to grab one arm 299 00:18:09,122 --> 00:18:13,691 And one leg, count to three and throw me as far as they could. 300 00:18:13,726 --> 00:18:14,937 Sam: And that's what they did, they just threw 301 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:15,760 You as far as they could? 302 00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:17,195 Kerry: Yeah. 303 00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:19,864 And after they threw me, both of them drowned. 304 00:18:19,899 --> 00:18:21,532 Sam: Ugh! 305 00:18:21,568 --> 00:18:23,167 Thanks to his mother's heroism, 306 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:25,436 Kerry survived. 307 00:18:25,472 --> 00:18:28,005 He was one of the lucky few. 308 00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:29,852 Kerry: It was totally devastating because, 309 00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:32,977 In this area, there's about 5,000 people and 310 00:18:33,012 --> 00:18:39,250 4,000 left homeless, not to mention that it was 125 that were killed. 311 00:18:41,521 --> 00:18:43,032 These were all coal camp houses. 312 00:18:43,056 --> 00:18:44,355 Sam: Okay. 313 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:45,868 Kerry: Coal industry kind of built them where they owned the place. 314 00:18:45,892 --> 00:18:47,470 Sam: They owned everything, right? 315 00:18:47,494 --> 00:18:48,593 Kerry: Yeah. 316 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:51,229 And when they clean the coal, they have to put the 317 00:18:51,264 --> 00:18:52,964 Waste behind a dam. 318 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:54,065 Sam: Mhm, right. 319 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:55,544 Kerry: And, of course, they're all made of dirt. 320 00:18:55,568 --> 00:18:57,935 Sam: Right. Kerry: But the rain came. 321 00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:00,149 And, of course, they all broke. 322 00:19:00,173 --> 00:19:02,073 Sam: Wow! 323 00:19:02,108 --> 00:19:04,019 Kerry: Everyone in the community kind of knew that 324 00:19:04,043 --> 00:19:06,577 Those dirt dams weren't stable, 325 00:19:06,613 --> 00:19:08,746 But they're very trusting. 326 00:19:08,781 --> 00:19:11,149 Everyone is very loyal. 327 00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:12,928 Coal is a good job, and you know, 328 00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:15,186 You put faith in your employers. 329 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:16,954 Sam: Right. 330 00:19:17,257 --> 00:19:19,068 What was the coal company's excuse? 331 00:19:19,092 --> 00:19:22,326 Kerry: To get out of it, they said that, you know, 332 00:19:22,362 --> 00:19:24,695 It rained so hard that that's an act of god, 333 00:19:24,731 --> 00:19:27,665 So it was an act of god that caused the damage. 334 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:31,235 And it's insulting just to think that all the people 335 00:19:31,271 --> 00:19:32,703 Here are that stupid. 336 00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:34,283 Look, anybody can see through that. 337 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:35,239 Sam: Right. 338 00:19:35,275 --> 00:19:37,341 Just trying to weasel their way out of it. 339 00:19:39,245 --> 00:19:42,180 So, is this just another isolated tragedy, 340 00:19:42,215 --> 00:19:44,282 Or does the data support a larger pattern of 341 00:19:44,317 --> 00:19:47,585 West virginia's industry leading to disaster? 342 00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:50,321 There's an agency that has the answers. 343 00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:55,059 The department of environmental protection in 344 00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:59,063 This state has to have a responsibility to communicate 345 00:19:59,098 --> 00:20:03,201 With the public and to take calls with the press. 346 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:06,704 So that's exactly what I'm gonna do. 347 00:20:06,739 --> 00:20:08,284 I'm gonna make some phone calls, 348 00:20:08,308 --> 00:20:11,642 Get in touch with someone at the department of environmental protection, 349 00:20:11,678 --> 00:20:16,581 And set up a meeting so I can ask a high level government official 350 00:20:16,616 --> 00:20:19,250 About a 240 year old shawnee curse 351 00:20:19,285 --> 00:20:21,819 And maybe hit him hard with some follow-ups 352 00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:24,822 About the mothman because, yeah, 353 00:20:24,857 --> 00:20:26,357 That's what I do now. 354 00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:40,382 Sam: I came to west virginia to look into the curse 355 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:46,244 Of the mothman, but in just a few days the situation on the 356 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:49,680 Ground has radically changed. 357 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:54,252 Dan: Cornstalk said, "I call on the great spirit to blight 358 00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:58,189 Your people and your industry and your lands". 359 00:20:59,826 --> 00:21:03,060 Toni: Sometimes you're within seconds of being a fatality. 360 00:21:03,096 --> 00:21:04,996 Sam: Wow! 361 00:21:05,832 --> 00:21:09,367 So, we have claims of a 240 year old native american 362 00:21:09,402 --> 00:21:13,004 Curse blighting the land and its industry. 363 00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:15,506 Coincidentally, we have bridge collapses, 364 00:21:15,541 --> 00:21:19,777 Failed dams and coal mine disasters all in the same area. 365 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:24,148 So my question is, is there an actual pattern? 366 00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:26,083 Is there a statistical connection between 367 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,021 West virginian industry and calamity? 368 00:21:30,189 --> 00:21:33,591 The key to answering that question is austin caperton, 369 00:21:33,626 --> 00:21:36,506 The head of the state's department of environmental protection 370 00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:40,765 And, believe it or not, he's agreed to speak to me. 371 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,282 It's not every day you get a meeting with one of the most 372 00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:49,073 Powerful people in the state and, 373 00:21:49,108 --> 00:21:52,910 As my sixth-grade teacher, miss zenaski used to say, 374 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:56,347 "luck happens when preparation meets opportunity." 375 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:59,183 Because I'm, looking to get lucky, 376 00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:02,019 I'm doing my homework before I sit down with austin in a 377 00:22:02,055 --> 00:22:04,155 Couple of days. 378 00:22:06,192 --> 00:22:10,494 ♪ ♪ 379 00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:12,663 But you come from a coal background, right? 380 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:13,699 Dustin: Yeah, yeah. 381 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:15,933 So, I grew up with coal miners on both sides of 382 00:22:15,968 --> 00:22:19,537 My family for generations, right to my own father. 383 00:22:20,206 --> 00:22:23,174 Sam: Dustin white, from the ohio valley environmental coalition, 384 00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:25,276 Has been one of the loudest voices policing the 385 00:22:25,311 --> 00:22:29,347 Practices of big business here in west virginia. 386 00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:33,017 But it turns out loud voices aren't necessarily welcome. 387 00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:36,354 Dustin: We've had folks who have had their pets poisoned, 388 00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:38,956 Homes shot at, tires slashed. 389 00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:40,791 My life has been threatened. 390 00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:41,726 Sam: Really? 391 00:22:41,761 --> 00:22:43,038 Dustin: That comes with the territory. 392 00:22:43,062 --> 00:22:45,830 You know, growing up, I was very pro-coal, 393 00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,966 But I really had my eyes opened when I took a fly-over. 394 00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:53,738 I knew strip mining existed, but when I saw it from the air 395 00:22:53,773 --> 00:22:56,407 It just blew my mind, because it was literally like every other 396 00:22:56,442 --> 00:22:59,343 Mountain had just been completely devastated. 397 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:04,648 Sam: Strip mining, also called mountaintop removal, 398 00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:07,017 It took off in west virginia in the '90s. 399 00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,398 It turns out sending a bunch of people into caves to remove 400 00:23:09,422 --> 00:23:12,423 Coal by hand is expensive, so the coal companies 401 00:23:12,458 --> 00:23:15,593 Got a brilliant idea. 402 00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:18,529 Dustin: They move onto a site, they bulldoze all the trees. 403 00:23:18,564 --> 00:23:20,331 They bring in these drill rigs, 404 00:23:20,366 --> 00:23:22,700 Pack the holes with ammonium nitrate, 405 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:26,604 Which is also toxic, and just blow up the mountain. 406 00:23:28,508 --> 00:23:29,718 Sam: It's got to go somewhere, right? 407 00:23:29,742 --> 00:23:30,641 Dustin: Exactly. 408 00:23:30,676 --> 00:23:33,110 So, of course, now all the stuff is toxic, 409 00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:35,746 It goes into the valley and now creates just a channel 410 00:23:35,782 --> 00:23:38,649 For run-off of toxic water. 411 00:23:42,221 --> 00:23:46,090 At last count, we had over 300 streams in west virginia 412 00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:48,793 That have been biologically impaired because of the 413 00:23:48,828 --> 00:23:51,462 Fossil fuel industries. 414 00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:58,135 Sam: You know, the longer we spend here and the more we learn, 415 00:23:58,171 --> 00:24:00,237 Whether the curse is real or not, 416 00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:03,874 The industries are the blight, and the things that are 417 00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:07,244 Destroying the environment are the things that, 418 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,780 You know, the whole state is geared around. 419 00:24:16,756 --> 00:24:19,023 Sam: Although not exactly scientific, 420 00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:21,592 In this part of west virginia there certainly does seem to 421 00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:23,928 Be a pattern of catastrophic events and 422 00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:27,965 Environmental turmoil at the hands of industry. 423 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,335 And whether or not there's any connection to cornstalk's curse, 424 00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:33,737 His words still ring eerily true. 425 00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:42,424 Sam: A whistleblower who used to work at one of the 426 00:24:42,448 --> 00:24:45,983 Major coal companies has agreed to give me the lowdown on what 427 00:24:46,018 --> 00:24:48,285 Really goes on behind the scenes. 428 00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:51,689 So we're not gonna film his face or use his name. 429 00:24:51,724 --> 00:24:52,890 I'll just call him "bobby." 430 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:27,759 Sam: Right. 431 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:33,597 Crew: Yeah, yeah, let's get you back. 432 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,034 Sam: Bobby's clearly on edge, and I've made enough people 433 00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:41,372 Edgy in my life to know when it's time to just call it a day. 434 00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:44,219 Hopefully, he'll be willing to talk to us more in a couple of days, 435 00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:46,577 After our meeting with austin caperton. 436 00:25:48,981 --> 00:25:52,516 (phone ringing) 437 00:25:52,552 --> 00:25:54,885 Crew: Hey? What's going on? 438 00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:56,720 We just wrapped up. 439 00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:59,089 Yeah, no, it went well. 440 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:03,060 Yeah, okay. 441 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:08,399 Alright um, well sam's not gonna be stoked. 442 00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:11,602 Yeah, I'll break the news, I'll let him know. Bye. 443 00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:16,607 Um so, I just got off the phone with patrick. 444 00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:19,577 Sam: Yeah. Crew: Caperton bailed. 445 00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:22,746 I wonder why he bailed. 446 00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:26,283 Sam: Two short sentences is all it takes to throw a major 447 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:29,086 Wrench into our gears. 448 00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:33,924 Caperton was my seat at the table. 449 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,360 A meeting with him gave me access to the highest levels 450 00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:37,861 Of state government. 451 00:26:37,897 --> 00:26:40,208 I mean, I was hoping he would be the gatekeeper to precious 452 00:26:40,232 --> 00:26:43,100 Data and reveal what is actually going on with all the 453 00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:46,537 Disasters here in west virginia. 454 00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:50,741 So, I just can't take no for an answer. 455 00:26:51,043 --> 00:26:52,676 At least not in writing. 456 00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:03,298 Sam: Good morning, mr. Caperton, 457 00:27:03,322 --> 00:27:07,124 This is sam sheridan, and I was just gonna try one more 458 00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:11,695 Time to see if we could have a conversation and you know, 459 00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:14,632 I'd love to hear your take on things. 460 00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:18,335 Give me a call back on this number if you get this message 461 00:27:18,371 --> 00:27:20,537 And have any interest, thanks. 462 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:26,810 And that's a beautiful friendship started. 463 00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:31,560 Although I'm clearly not above begging, 464 00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:34,118 I can tell when I'm beating a dead horse. 465 00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:36,231 So, we got to move on, to one more meeting that I hope will 466 00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:39,923 Explain why there seems to be so many strange disasters here 467 00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:41,358 In west virginia. 468 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:45,707 Crew: Let's do it, get on the road. 469 00:27:45,731 --> 00:27:47,264 Sam: Alright. 470 00:27:49,902 --> 00:27:53,671 ♪ ♪ 471 00:27:55,241 --> 00:27:58,342 Crew: The (bleep)? Sam: What happened? 472 00:27:59,245 --> 00:28:01,478 Crew: Look at this! 473 00:28:01,514 --> 00:28:05,182 Sam: Oh, (bleep) our tires got slashed? 474 00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:07,518 Crew: Yeah. 475 00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:11,255 Sam: (bleep). 476 00:28:31,744 --> 00:28:33,811 Crew: What the (bleep)? 477 00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:35,345 Sam: What happened? 478 00:28:35,381 --> 00:28:36,947 Crew: Look at this! 479 00:28:36,982 --> 00:28:40,117 Sam: Oh, (bleep) our tires got slashed? 480 00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:43,754 (bleep). 481 00:28:45,057 --> 00:28:48,592 Could be a coincidence, or it could be that word got out 482 00:28:48,627 --> 00:28:52,062 That a film crew was poking around asking questions that 483 00:28:52,098 --> 00:28:54,264 People just don't like. 484 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:58,736 Crew: That's not accidental. Sam: That's not accidental. 485 00:28:58,771 --> 00:29:01,572 Now it's getting creepy. 486 00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:05,142 So, to review, our whistleblower gets skittish 487 00:29:05,177 --> 00:29:07,089 On the mountaintop, and then a high-ranking 488 00:29:07,113 --> 00:29:10,614 Government official sets a meeting and then cancels it. 489 00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:14,084 And now the air is let out of our tire. 490 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,353 I have no idea what's going on and I, you know, 491 00:29:16,388 --> 00:29:18,522 I'm not saying austin caperton snuck into our 492 00:29:18,591 --> 00:29:22,526 Hotel parking lot during breakfast and slashed tires, 493 00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:25,496 But I do feel a little unwelcome. 494 00:29:25,531 --> 00:29:27,598 I am a little concerned now. 495 00:29:27,633 --> 00:29:29,800 It's getting weird. 496 00:29:33,572 --> 00:29:37,141 I'll probably never know why our tires got slashed, 497 00:29:37,176 --> 00:29:39,676 But we're here to figure out if a curse is connected to all 498 00:29:39,712 --> 00:29:43,313 The disaster here in west virginia, 499 00:29:43,349 --> 00:29:45,449 And that's what we'll continue to do, 500 00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:47,284 With a fresh rental car. 501 00:29:48,387 --> 00:29:49,831 Driving through the appalachians, 502 00:29:49,855 --> 00:29:52,289 You're just really hit by the two contrasting 503 00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:55,192 Faces of west virginia. 504 00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:58,595 One minute, god's green earth, right out of a postcard, 505 00:29:58,631 --> 00:30:01,765 Beautiful mountains covered in happy little trees, 506 00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:04,568 Just bob ross everywhere. 507 00:30:04,603 --> 00:30:08,739 And then you turn a corner and it's chemical factories and 508 00:30:08,774 --> 00:30:12,176 Coal plants billowing particulate and smoke 509 00:30:12,211 --> 00:30:14,077 Of an unknown origin. 510 00:30:14,113 --> 00:30:15,524 It kind of looks like tim burton's take on 511 00:30:15,548 --> 00:30:17,815 The industrial revolution. 512 00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:21,018 (carnival music playing) 513 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,921 And, whether it's tnt chemicals left behind inside 514 00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:27,324 The mothman's lair, or mine explosions or a flood of 515 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:31,562 Black sludge that wipes out an entire town, 516 00:30:34,066 --> 00:30:37,234 This is a place that has seen a lot of human tragedy. 517 00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:39,770 You can bundle it up under the blanket of a curse, 518 00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:43,040 But you can't deny that there is something at work here, 519 00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:46,410 Some relationship between west virginian industry and a 520 00:30:46,445 --> 00:30:50,247 Seemingly endless cycle of calamity. 521 00:30:50,616 --> 00:30:54,017 And since austin caperton won't be providing any answers, 522 00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:58,622 I'm turning to a trusted old buddy, science. 523 00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:06,563 Matt: So what we do in this lab is we build stuff and we 524 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,999 Break it to figure out how to make it stronger. 525 00:31:09,034 --> 00:31:11,301 Sam: What a cool job, man. 526 00:31:11,737 --> 00:31:14,404 No disaster is woven into the local folklore of 527 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,208 West virginia quite like the collapse of the silver bridge. 528 00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,277 Peggy: I think there's a reason behind it. 529 00:31:20,312 --> 00:31:23,347 It just didn't happen to happen. 530 00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:28,185 They said that the mothman appeared before the bridge fell. 531 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,420 It's like a legend. 532 00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:32,767 Sam: Although I'm fairly certain a flying cryptid 533 00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:36,793 Didn't case this disaster, the silver bridge did collapse at 534 00:31:36,829 --> 00:31:40,097 The exact spot where the battle of point pleasant was fought, 535 00:31:40,132 --> 00:31:41,776 And some say that was the cause of 536 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,635 Chief cornstalk's dying curse. 537 00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:46,248 Sam: So, what does science have to say about 538 00:31:46,272 --> 00:31:48,505 That peculiar coincidence? 539 00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:50,285 Matt: This is a model of the silver bridge. 540 00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:51,775 Sam: Cool! 541 00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:54,945 Matt: So, the silver bridge was similar to a suspension bridge, 542 00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:59,783 Except that the suspension cables were actually eye bars. 543 00:31:59,818 --> 00:32:02,786 Sam: So, tell me exactly how the silver bridge failed. 544 00:32:02,821 --> 00:32:04,054 What happened? 545 00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:05,967 Matt: There was a flaw, it was actually located at the end of 546 00:32:05,991 --> 00:32:07,090 The eye bar. 547 00:32:07,126 --> 00:32:08,926 That flaw was extremely small and actually, 548 00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:12,963 Wasn't visible because it was hidden under the cap of the pin. 549 00:32:12,998 --> 00:32:17,634 And then this case, a very small flaw initiated a fracture. 550 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:20,181 Sam: Can you show me what that would look like? 551 00:32:20,205 --> 00:32:21,838 Matt: Yeah. 552 00:32:23,943 --> 00:32:26,043 Okay, so we're gonna apply a tension load, 553 00:32:26,078 --> 00:32:27,878 Meaning we're gonna pull on this. 554 00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:33,417 Sam: What's this "kip"? 555 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:34,284 What is that? 556 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,797 Matt: So, a kip is 1,000 pounds, 557 00:32:35,821 --> 00:32:38,588 So we're at .21 thousand pounds, 558 00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,691 Or in other words, 22 pounds. 559 00:32:40,726 --> 00:32:43,260 It's incrementally adding load. 560 00:32:43,529 --> 00:32:45,495 This no longer is contributing at all. 561 00:32:45,531 --> 00:32:48,031 All the force that was in this component is now dumped 562 00:32:48,067 --> 00:32:48,899 Into this one. 563 00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:50,968 Sam: Right. 564 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:52,447 Matt: In the case of the silver bridge, 565 00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:54,471 This happened so fast. 566 00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:57,174 The first one failed and, immediately. 567 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:01,979 Sam: Let's do it on our model. 568 00:33:02,014 --> 00:33:03,613 Matt: Okay. 569 00:33:04,883 --> 00:33:07,784 Sam: And here's where we smash stuff in the name of science. 570 00:33:09,688 --> 00:33:12,856 Matt: So we're gonna simulate the fracture of the eye bar by 571 00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:15,225 Cutting one of the yellow strings. 572 00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:23,700 When one eye bar failed, there just wasn't enough capacity in 573 00:33:23,736 --> 00:33:26,603 The rest of the system to resist all of the weight of 574 00:33:26,638 --> 00:33:30,173 The structure and, therefore, the entire bridge collapsed. 575 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:40,650 Sam: So, the silver bridge collapses. 576 00:33:40,719 --> 00:33:43,687 What's the way this could have been prevented? 577 00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:46,890 Matt: The original designs for this bridge called for a 578 00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:50,627 Suspension cable, but they decided to opt for a less 579 00:33:50,662 --> 00:33:53,363 Redundant system with the eye bar chains, 580 00:33:53,399 --> 00:33:56,099 Which allowed them to dramatically reduce the cost, 581 00:33:56,135 --> 00:34:00,670 But it also dramatically reduced the redundancy in the system. 582 00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:03,351 Sam: For those of you at home who never took an 583 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:06,576 Interest in civil engineering, let me spell it out for you. 584 00:34:06,612 --> 00:34:09,679 Redundancy equals safety. 585 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:12,516 So, if they hadn't done this with the lowest bidder, 586 00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:15,085 There's a possibility that that failure would have happened, 587 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,754 But they would have had enough redundancy that the 588 00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:19,189 Bridge wouldn't have collapsed. 589 00:34:19,224 --> 00:34:20,891 Matt: That's right. 590 00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:27,497 Sam: For decades, west virginians have blamed 591 00:34:27,533 --> 00:34:32,135 An 8 foot tall winged creature or a 240 year old shawnee curse 592 00:34:32,171 --> 00:34:35,439 For the pattern of death and destruction. 593 00:34:35,474 --> 00:34:39,876 But it turns out the truth may be a lot scarier. 594 00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:44,114 I do wonder, you know, how much of the local disasters 595 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:49,486 Can be thrown on the doorstep of general economic pressures 596 00:34:49,521 --> 00:34:53,323 And lax government regulations. 597 00:34:54,293 --> 00:34:58,395 If I was a government official that was part of the silver bridge fiasco, 598 00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:00,797 I'd be all too happy to have the public focus 599 00:35:00,833 --> 00:35:03,834 On the mothman or cornstalk's curse. 600 00:35:03,869 --> 00:35:07,204 The supernatural is a way easier pill to swallow than 601 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,372 What might be the reality. 602 00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:11,786 I mean, who wants to believe that their own government is 603 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:15,312 Putting their lives at risk for a couple extra bucks? 604 00:35:15,814 --> 00:35:17,792 But, putting profits above people is by 605 00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:19,850 No means unique to west virginia. 606 00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:24,154 Hell, that's capitalism, which is as american as apple pie. 607 00:35:24,389 --> 00:35:27,157 So, is there something special about this area that makes it 608 00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:30,427 Susceptible to the perils of big business? 609 00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:35,710 Thanks again so much for taking the time. 610 00:35:35,734 --> 00:35:36,533 Ken: Sure. 611 00:35:36,568 --> 00:35:38,168 Sam: I really appreciate it. 612 00:35:38,203 --> 00:35:39,981 I don't always wear a linen sports coat, 613 00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:43,206 But when I do, I look like a rugged james bond. 614 00:35:44,209 --> 00:35:46,454 But you got to dress the part when you meet with a macarthur fellow, 615 00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,212 Which is the greatest award for reporting there is. 616 00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:53,884 Ken: West virginia and its coal industry helped build 617 00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:57,888 This country and helped win two world wars. 618 00:35:58,090 --> 00:36:00,323 We're not a poor state. 619 00:36:00,359 --> 00:36:02,526 West virginia is a really rich state, 620 00:36:02,561 --> 00:36:05,162 It's just that the wealth of it isn't shared among the 621 00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:08,532 People who took that wealth out of the ground. 622 00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:10,200 Sam: Right. 623 00:36:12,037 --> 00:36:15,739 Ken ward is a reporter who spent the last 28 years going 624 00:36:15,774 --> 00:36:19,242 Down the exact same rabbit hole we find ourselves in now. 625 00:36:20,145 --> 00:36:23,246 How does one state get locked in a particularly bad cycle of 626 00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:25,882 Capitalism and calamity? 627 00:36:28,987 --> 00:36:31,199 Ken: You have, like, the department of environmental protection, 628 00:36:31,223 --> 00:36:33,390 That's supposed to protect people and 629 00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:37,060 The environment from the damages that the coal industry can do, 630 00:36:37,095 --> 00:36:40,497 And you have a revolving door there of people who work in 631 00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:44,201 The industry and then take their turn running the agency, 632 00:36:44,236 --> 00:36:48,438 And then go back out working for the industry. 633 00:36:48,473 --> 00:36:50,118 Sam: Which seems like a sort of shameless, 634 00:36:50,142 --> 00:36:51,908 You know, conflict of interest. 635 00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:52,842 Ken: Sure. 636 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:56,279 And those conflicts are so out in the open. 637 00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:57,881 They don't hide them. 638 00:36:57,916 --> 00:36:59,816 They're just so much more brazen. 639 00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:03,687 I think people are increasingly getting fed up 640 00:37:03,755 --> 00:37:07,057 With the way things are but, you know, 641 00:37:07,092 --> 00:37:09,693 Power doesn't give up power easily. 642 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:11,739 Sam: Nobody gives up power, you have to take it. 643 00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:13,930 Ken: That's right. 644 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,010 Sam: In every state in the nation, 645 00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:18,935 There's supposed to be a system in place to provide oversight, 646 00:37:18,971 --> 00:37:21,605 That's government regulations. 647 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,007 But, according to ken, west virginian business is 648 00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:27,143 Operating particularly unchecked, 649 00:37:27,179 --> 00:37:30,280 So why aren't more people taking notice? 650 00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,483 Well, maybe they're too distracted by an 8 foot tall, 651 00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:36,119 Stainless steel monument. 652 00:37:37,422 --> 00:37:40,890 So maybe we just need a stronger visual aid. 653 00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:43,793 Luckily, our coal company whistle-blower has agreed to 654 00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:47,163 Help us try and get footage of illegal activity by one of the 655 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,200 Mountaintop removal companies. 656 00:37:50,235 --> 00:37:53,069 I'm hoping that video proof of business run rampant in 657 00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:56,172 West virginia will help us get the attention of state officials, 658 00:37:56,208 --> 00:37:58,842 Like austin caperton. 659 00:38:03,048 --> 00:38:06,449 This is it here, and this is his car. 660 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:10,761 Sam: That's our boy. 661 00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:19,030 Sam: Hey, man. 662 00:38:19,398 --> 00:38:20,398 Sam: I know. 663 00:38:34,146 --> 00:38:35,712 Sam: And this is his car. 664 00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:39,323 Sam: That's our boy. 665 00:38:46,458 --> 00:38:47,458 Sam: Hey, man! 666 00:38:48,393 --> 00:38:49,859 Sam: I know. 667 00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:54,998 Hey, man! Did something go wrong? 668 00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:02,672 Sam: Man. 669 00:39:02,708 --> 00:39:04,588 There's nothing we can do to help. 670 00:39:06,478 --> 00:39:07,877 Sam: No, no, we'll leave! 671 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,358 Sam: We'll leave, we'll leave, we'll leave, we'll leave. 672 00:39:10,382 --> 00:39:11,514 Alright, we're leaving. 673 00:39:13,819 --> 00:39:15,699 Sam: Well, that was short and sweet. 674 00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:19,923 Sam: Short. 675 00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:21,803 You know, we had our tires slashed this morning. 676 00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:24,828 You know, you're starting to definitely feel not wanted. 677 00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:26,563 That's not a great feeling. 678 00:39:32,437 --> 00:39:33,681 Brett: We were not surprised that austin caperton didn't 679 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:34,537 Want to talk to us. 680 00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:35,405 Sam: Yeah. 681 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,673 Brett: And dropped out. 682 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:38,820 But I was not expecting the guy who is supposed to be the 683 00:39:38,844 --> 00:39:41,678 State's biggest watchdog. 684 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,214 Sam: This is a guy that you thought was bulletproof, right? 685 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:48,118 Like, this is a guy that's like a professional pot-stirrer. 686 00:39:48,153 --> 00:39:50,198 Brett: Somebody got to him. Sam: Something happened. 687 00:39:50,222 --> 00:39:51,187 It's bananas. 688 00:39:51,223 --> 00:39:52,589 Brett: Yeah. 689 00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:54,369 Sam: When I was a kid, there was another kid down the 690 00:39:54,393 --> 00:39:57,360 Street from me who once held me at gunpoint with his 691 00:39:57,396 --> 00:40:01,164 Super soaker full of pee-pee. 692 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:03,466 Those were his words, not mine. 693 00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:06,214 I didn't really expect to relive that moment when we 694 00:40:06,238 --> 00:40:08,438 Came to west virginia, getting into the curse 695 00:40:08,473 --> 00:40:11,741 Of mothman and chief cornstalk. 696 00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:15,678 Sometimes, when people are afraid to talk, 697 00:40:15,714 --> 00:40:18,148 That's where the gold lies and, luckily, 698 00:40:18,183 --> 00:40:21,351 I was able to find a few brave voices who dared to 699 00:40:21,386 --> 00:40:23,253 Penetrate that silence. 700 00:40:23,288 --> 00:40:26,256 I've tracked down a woman named susie worley-jenkins, 701 00:40:26,291 --> 00:40:29,526 And she lives in a tiny town called minden and, 702 00:40:29,561 --> 00:40:32,595 Unlike everyone else we've tried to talk to, 703 00:40:32,631 --> 00:40:35,732 She and her doctor want their story told. 704 00:40:38,303 --> 00:40:39,814 When did you become aware of, you know, 705 00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:40,915 What was going on here? 706 00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:42,884 Susie: About 38 years ago, because there was, like, 707 00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:45,408 2,000 people lived here in this area and there's 708 00:40:45,444 --> 00:40:51,648 460 some people that we're aware of that died with cancer. 709 00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,951 Sam: Wow! Susie: Yeah. 710 00:40:55,253 --> 00:40:57,854 Ayne: My dad was a hematologist/oncologist, 711 00:40:57,889 --> 00:41:01,458 And his specialty was cancer, and a lot of the patients that 712 00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:04,561 Were coming in were coal miners and he noticed that they all 713 00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:06,207 Came from minden, and so he was wondering if 714 00:41:06,231 --> 00:41:09,299 Something was in the environment affecting these people. 715 00:41:09,334 --> 00:41:10,300 Sam: Right. 716 00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,180 Ayne: So, he started looking into the pcbs. 717 00:41:12,204 --> 00:41:13,670 Sam: What's a pcb? 718 00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:16,250 Ayne: It's an organic compound that comes in this jelly-like substance. 719 00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:17,440 It looks like oil. 720 00:41:17,476 --> 00:41:19,120 They use it in mining equipment a lot. 721 00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:22,545 They put it in transformers or equipment to transfer heat. 722 00:41:22,581 --> 00:41:25,081 Susie: My husband worked fixing transformers for all 723 00:41:25,116 --> 00:41:26,850 These coal mines and stuff. 724 00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:29,118 He remembers all the stuff in those transformers, 725 00:41:29,154 --> 00:41:32,589 And it had all of that pcbs in it and oils and stuff. 726 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:36,459 Ayne: By 1979 or so, they realized that pcbs as cancer causing. 727 00:41:36,495 --> 00:41:37,894 Sam: Okay. 728 00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,441 Ayne: So by the early '80s, they stopped letting companies use it. 729 00:41:40,465 --> 00:41:42,276 So what happened back then is they put all these 730 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:46,703 Transformers or equipment in drums and buried the drums in the soil, 731 00:41:46,738 --> 00:41:49,016 Or they just took the stuff themselves and buried them. 732 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,785 Sam: But they're burying them, just like in these barrels or 733 00:41:50,809 --> 00:41:53,076 Even loose, so they're leaking? 734 00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:55,044 Ayne: Yes. 735 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,214 Susie: They used to take all the pcbs and just dump it into 736 00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:59,115 The mud wherever. 737 00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:00,316 Sam: Just dump it? 738 00:42:00,352 --> 00:42:02,129 Susie: And all of these different waterways we have 739 00:42:02,153 --> 00:42:05,188 Underground was catching all that. 740 00:42:05,223 --> 00:42:06,767 Ayne: And that is what our problem is, 741 00:42:06,791 --> 00:42:09,192 Everyone that lives there has been kind of soaking and 742 00:42:09,227 --> 00:42:12,896 Bathing in you know, carcinogenic matter. 743 00:42:13,798 --> 00:42:15,843 Susie: We lost our parents, brothers, you know, and 744 00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:18,668 My neighbors over here died with brain tumors. 745 00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:21,538 Skin cancer, breast cancer, and kids, you know, 746 00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:24,707 That was dying with leukemia, brain tumors. 747 00:42:24,743 --> 00:42:27,343 My mom died with small cell lung cancer, 748 00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:30,480 And my husband's had cancer, I've had cancer six times. 749 00:42:30,515 --> 00:42:32,448 Sam: Oh my god! 750 00:42:32,484 --> 00:42:34,328 Ayne: Right now, the main goal and the only goal is the 751 00:42:34,352 --> 00:42:36,119 Residents want to move, and that's. 752 00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:37,532 Sam: Because they just feel like they're being poisoned. 753 00:42:37,556 --> 00:42:38,521 Ayne: Correct. 754 00:42:38,557 --> 00:42:42,625 Toni: There's 250 people left out of about 2,000. 755 00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:43,693 Sam: 2,000. 756 00:42:43,728 --> 00:42:46,062 Susie: There's 199 houses left. 757 00:42:46,097 --> 00:42:48,464 They don't have any equity, nothing in their homes, 758 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:49,740 Because they're worth nothing. 759 00:42:49,768 --> 00:42:50,900 Sam: Yeah. 760 00:42:50,936 --> 00:42:54,170 I mean, who's gonna buy anything down in a toxic area? 761 00:42:54,205 --> 00:42:57,574 Susie: Exactly. Sam: Is there any hope? 762 00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:58,686 Do you think anything's gonna happen, 763 00:42:58,710 --> 00:43:00,877 Or is it just gonna keep getting worse? 764 00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:03,680 Susie: I think it's gonna get worse if we don't get some help. 765 00:43:03,715 --> 00:43:05,715 Sam: Do you expect any action? 766 00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:07,884 Ayne: Truthfully, no. Susie: They don't care. 767 00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:09,552 Sam: Right. 768 00:43:09,588 --> 00:43:11,098 They're just waiting for it to go away. 769 00:43:11,122 --> 00:43:13,222 Susie: Exactly. 770 00:43:19,698 --> 00:43:21,576 Sam: The good news for the people of minden is that, 771 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,801 After 30 years of lobbying, the town has finally been 772 00:43:24,836 --> 00:43:28,738 Added to the epa's list for further examination, 773 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,851 Which is great, because it's the first step toward actually 774 00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:34,377 Getting their town relocated off this toxic waste dump. 775 00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:36,012 The bad news? 776 00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:41,651 There are 1,334 sites that join them on the list. 777 00:43:44,756 --> 00:43:48,391 There is a blight on the land and the people of west virginia, 778 00:43:48,426 --> 00:43:49,870 And it's not a winged creature or 779 00:43:49,894 --> 00:43:52,962 The dying words of a native american chief. 780 00:43:53,298 --> 00:43:56,299 Clearly, we've stumbled upon something much more tangible 781 00:43:56,334 --> 00:43:59,969 Than the supernatural in the hills and hollers of west virginia. 782 00:44:00,005 --> 00:44:02,705 And it seems to me that the perpetuation of a curse may 783 00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:05,708 Just be a ploy to keep people from noticing that 784 00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:09,145 Big business is ruining the land and destroying the 785 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,348 People in the name of profit. 786 00:44:12,384 --> 00:44:15,018 The truth is, west virginia is cursed, 787 00:44:15,053 --> 00:44:18,788 By the resources that lie beneath it, 788 00:44:18,823 --> 00:44:20,623 And that's the real tragedy. 789 00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:22,699 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org 789 00:44:23,305 --> 00:45:23,240 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 63657

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