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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,450 --> 00:00:07,940 [MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:31,340 --> 00:00:34,830 [MUSIC PLAYING] 3 00:00:46,850 --> 00:00:48,220 EDGAR MITCHELL: Until the current period, 4 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:51,940 or until the last 30 years, it was conventional wisdom 5 00:00:51,940 --> 00:00:57,340 both in science and theology-- we're alone in the universe, 6 00:00:57,340 --> 00:01:01,650 the whole, single repository of life 7 00:01:01,650 --> 00:01:03,940 anywhere in the known universe. 8 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:08,580 Well, no one believes that anymore. 9 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:13,010 NARRATOR: In 1961, astronomer and astrophysicist Dr. Frank 10 00:01:13,010 --> 00:01:16,230 Drake devised the Drake equation, which calculates 11 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:18,850 the number of worlds with intelligent life 12 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:23,560 capable of technologically communicating with us. 13 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,270 According to Drake's own calculations, 14 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:27,910 there are 10,000 communicative civilizations 15 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:31,410 in the Milky Way galaxy. 16 00:01:31,410 --> 00:01:33,380 Four decades later, the Drake equation 17 00:01:33,380 --> 00:01:37,140 has been greatly expanded on by Dr. Amir Aczel, bestselling 18 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:39,550 author and Associate Professor of Mathematics 19 00:01:39,550 --> 00:01:42,780 and Statistics at Bentley College, Massachusetts. 20 00:01:42,780 --> 00:01:45,290 His latest book, "Probability 1," 21 00:01:45,290 --> 00:01:48,110 deals with why there must be intelligent life 22 00:01:48,110 --> 00:01:49,120 in the universe. 23 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,980 My calculation of "Probability 1" 24 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:55,050 goes far beyond what was explored with Drake's equation. 25 00:01:55,050 --> 00:01:58,420 Drake's equation refers only to our galaxy. 26 00:01:58,420 --> 00:02:01,710 My calculation goes to the visible universe as a whole, 27 00:02:01,710 --> 00:02:04,340 which has billions of galaxies, each 28 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:05,790 containing billions of stars. 29 00:02:09,370 --> 00:02:11,500 So if you multiply all these numbers, 30 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:14,500 you get tremendous odds for the existence of life. 31 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:17,900 [MUSIC PLAYING] 32 00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:21,450 I think one of the main changes that has taken place 33 00:02:21,450 --> 00:02:23,480 in recent years in astronomers' views 34 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,200 of whether or not there might be other civilizations elsewhere 35 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,560 in the universe has to do with the fact 36 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,200 that we've discovered dozens of other planetary systems 37 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,650 around other stars. 38 00:02:33,650 --> 00:02:35,160 Now in most cases, the planets are 39 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,980 giant planets like Jupiter, not the kind 40 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:38,550 that would harbor life. 41 00:02:38,550 --> 00:02:40,300 But where there are those kinds of planets, 42 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:41,640 there are likely to be other planets 43 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:42,830 too, in those solar systems. 44 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:45,860 And so we're optimistic these days about life elsewhere. 45 00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:49,280 [MUSIC PLAYING] 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,480 What's the nature of the universe we live in? 47 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,500 What is our relationship to the larger reality? 48 00:02:57,500 --> 00:03:00,240 I looked up and all of a sudden there was this, 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,960 you know-- gotta say it-- flying saucer. 50 00:03:08,270 --> 00:03:09,390 Didn't even make a sound. 51 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:13,400 Not even a sound. 52 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,970 A little bit of swamp light appears here. 53 00:03:15,970 --> 00:03:17,910 It goes out, another one appears over here. 54 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:18,870 That goes out. 55 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:22,140 MAN: [SPEAKING SPANISH] 56 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:24,500 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 57 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,870 Man, it was just, phew, gone. 58 00:03:28,870 --> 00:03:30,300 [SPEAKING FRENCH] 59 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:33,880 I saw one, but I don't know where-- it just disappeared. 60 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:38,360 INTERVIEWER (ON TV): There is nothing to hide? 61 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,640 There's nothing to hide at all. 62 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:44,380 I was a part of the United States Air 63 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:46,080 Force cover-up for 18 years. 64 00:03:49,570 --> 00:03:51,800 There's no way, within the military 65 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,260 or within the government, of keeping track of something 66 00:03:54,260 --> 00:03:56,040 that is classified. 67 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,380 MAN: Yeah, awful. 68 00:03:58,380 --> 00:04:03,530 It clearly had a shape to it, and a big shape. 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,890 This should be the subject of rigorous scientific 70 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:13,960 investigation and not the subject of rubbishing 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,030 by tabloid newspapers. 72 00:04:16,030 --> 00:04:19,450 [MUSIC PLAYING] 73 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:50,080 I am here to discuss the so-called flying saucers. 74 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,960 The Air Force interest in this problem 75 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,570 has been due to our feeling of an obligation 76 00:04:55,570 --> 00:05:01,170 to identify and analyze to the best of our ability anything 77 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:05,970 in the air that may have the possibility of threat or menace 78 00:05:05,970 --> 00:05:08,320 to the United States. 79 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,750 In pursuit of this obligation, since 1947, 80 00:05:12,750 --> 00:05:16,520 we have received and analyzed between 1,000 and 2,000 81 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,220 reports. 82 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:20,120 There have been a certain percentage of this volume 83 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,760 of reports that have been made by credible observers of 84 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,000 relatively incredible things. 85 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,930 It is this group of observations that we 86 00:05:31,930 --> 00:05:34,120 now are attempting to resolve. 87 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,430 [MUSIC PLAYING] 88 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:41,290 NARRATOR: For the last 50 years, 95% of all UFO incidents 89 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:43,580 have been explained in down-to-earth, conventional 90 00:05:43,580 --> 00:05:44,630 terms. 91 00:05:44,630 --> 00:05:48,980 These explanations include misidentified aircraft, weather 92 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:53,200 balloons, atmospheric phenomena, light aberrations, 93 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,700 mass hallucinations, hoaxes, and swamp gas. 94 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:59,520 However, these explanations cannot 95 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,160 be applied to the remaining 5%. 96 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,890 [MUSIC PLAYING] 97 00:06:13,180 --> 00:06:15,400 The cumulative evidence in these cases 98 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,290 leads towards a possible conclusion 99 00:06:17,290 --> 00:06:20,370 that some UFOs are not of Earth origin. 100 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:23,810 [MUSIC PLAYING] 101 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,400 In this documentary, we will present unexplained cases 102 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,320 from around the world, investigate 50 years 103 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,060 of official contradictions and denials, 104 00:06:41,060 --> 00:06:44,280 and put forth possible reasons for secrecy. 105 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:47,960 We will examine scientific theories on interstellar travel 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,930 and discuss the current movement for official disclosure 107 00:06:50,930 --> 00:06:54,780 on a subject that has primarily been considered unworthy 108 00:06:54,780 --> 00:06:56,250 of serious investigation. 109 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:59,690 [MUSIC PLAYING] 110 00:07:06,090 --> 00:07:09,530 [MUSIC PLAYING] 111 00:07:10,540 --> 00:07:13,100 The case of the Phoenix Lights began on an evening 112 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:17,570 in March of 1997. 113 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:18,670 ANNOUNCER (ON TV): Late breaking. 114 00:07:18,670 --> 00:07:22,030 You're watching News 15 at 10:00. 115 00:07:22,030 --> 00:07:23,540 MARC BAILEY (ON TV): Do these lights belong 116 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:25,520 to visitors from outer space? 117 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,090 Hundreds of people across the valley 118 00:07:27,090 --> 00:07:29,240 think it's a distinct possibility. 119 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,450 Good evening, I'm Marc Bailey. 120 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:31,240 And I'm Robin Sewell. 121 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,040 Thanks for joining us. 122 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,840 We start tonight with those strange dots of light 123 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,000 that were the talk of the town. 124 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:36,750 Tonight-- 125 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:39,280 NARRATOR: As reported, multiple UFOs were sighted 126 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,160 throughout the Phoenix basin. 127 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,900 Numerous eyewitnesses were already outside, 128 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:46,490 looking up into the night sky to catch a glimpse 129 00:07:46,490 --> 00:07:48,090 of the Hale-Bopp comet. 130 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:50,810 Yeah, everybody was excited about the comet. 131 00:07:50,810 --> 00:07:53,290 But in the middle of that, these very mysterious lights 132 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:56,820 appeared over Phoenix, over Maricopa County. 133 00:07:56,820 --> 00:07:59,720 NARRATOR: Michael Tanner is part of a team of investigators who 134 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,860 received roughly 800 reports from eyewitnesses 135 00:08:02,860 --> 00:08:04,560 regarding the Phoenix incident. 136 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,020 Between 8:15 and 8:45, we had an enormous craft 137 00:08:09,020 --> 00:08:11,220 at varying altitudes come right through the center 138 00:08:11,220 --> 00:08:14,620 of the valley of Phoenix, led by a formation 139 00:08:14,620 --> 00:08:16,680 of orbs that were clearly visible 140 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,720 through most of this state. 141 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,190 It passed right in front of us, just about-- right 142 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:23,190 above eye's length. 143 00:08:23,190 --> 00:08:25,860 My estimate of the size of the craft from the nose as it 144 00:08:25,860 --> 00:08:28,030 passed us, where we lived, to the end 145 00:08:28,030 --> 00:08:29,830 of the left wing that passed in front of us 146 00:08:29,830 --> 00:08:32,770 was over 5,000 foot long. 147 00:08:32,770 --> 00:08:35,310 It's coming across the sky, and as it's moving, 148 00:08:35,310 --> 00:08:38,560 it's blocking and unblocking the stars. 149 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,120 There was actually a shape. 150 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,330 It was actually five lights that were a V, one in front 151 00:08:44,330 --> 00:08:46,150 and two on each side. 152 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:47,130 And it was perfect. 153 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:48,810 It was a perfect triangle. 154 00:08:48,810 --> 00:08:51,230 The object we saw, if we opened up a newspaper, 155 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:54,030 you could not block out the object that we saw. 156 00:08:54,030 --> 00:08:56,490 People say, Mike, nah, you saw a B-2 bomber. 157 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:59,300 My response was, we could land all 40 of our B-2 bombers 158 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:00,360 on the wing of that craft. 159 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,870 If you can picture Camelback Mountain, a well-known landmark 160 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:07,100 in Phoenix, something about four times 161 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:11,970 that size levitating down the road with lights on it, 162 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:13,910 that'll give you an idea what this was like. 163 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:16,820 And he says, you're not going to believe what I saw. 164 00:09:16,820 --> 00:09:19,050 And I said, yes, I would. 165 00:09:19,050 --> 00:09:21,450 I says, that's all that's been on the news all night long, 166 00:09:21,450 --> 00:09:23,220 is this, this craft. 167 00:09:23,220 --> 00:09:25,190 The community got pretty excited about it. 168 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:29,320 There was a lot of-- a lot of press and borderline hysteria, 169 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,050 almost. 170 00:09:30,050 --> 00:09:31,720 Explanations have been tossed about-- that they 171 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,280 were flares, that they were planes flying in formation. 172 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,330 But Marc and Robin, we checked with the FAA today, 173 00:09:36,330 --> 00:09:38,400 we checked with Sky Harbor, and we checked with Luke Air Force 174 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,120 Base, and there's been no official explanation 175 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,250 of those strange bright lights last night. 176 00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:48,650 NARRATOR: Truck driver Bill Greiner 177 00:09:48,650 --> 00:09:52,930 was driving south on I-17 towards Luke Air Force Base. 178 00:09:52,930 --> 00:09:55,880 He witnessed several fighter jets scramble to intercept 179 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,010 two UFOs directly overhead. 180 00:10:00,010 --> 00:10:05,250 I pulled my truck alongside the west silos, which 181 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:07,590 faces Luke Air Force Base. 182 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:12,160 It was, like, right there, and I was here unloading. 183 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:17,650 Everything was completely quiet. 184 00:10:17,650 --> 00:10:18,920 It was, like, really eerie. 185 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:26,150 There was one right over the base 186 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:28,840 and then there was another one out toward Wickenburg, 187 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,040 and these things were just hovering. 188 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,030 They were huge orbs. 189 00:10:32,030 --> 00:10:34,420 But they didn't make no sound or nothing. 190 00:10:34,420 --> 00:10:37,310 They were just hovering right there over the base. 191 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:40,350 [MUSIC PLAYING] 192 00:10:41,050 --> 00:10:44,440 All of a sudden, I hear a lot of roaring come 193 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,370 out of Luke Air Force Base. 194 00:10:46,370 --> 00:10:48,040 And here there is two fighters coming out, 195 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,340 and they had the afterburners on 'cause 196 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:52,280 there were huge flames coming out the back of these things. 197 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,630 [MUSIC PLAYING] 198 00:10:57,370 --> 00:10:58,780 Ripped right around the back of me 199 00:10:58,780 --> 00:11:00,950 and shot right for those things. 200 00:11:00,950 --> 00:11:04,040 [MUSIC PLAYING] 201 00:11:05,380 --> 00:11:08,230 Then they disappeared on them and it was just, phew, gone. 202 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:10,610 The military says the lights over Arizona 203 00:11:10,610 --> 00:11:12,450 last night were flares, but the people 204 00:11:12,450 --> 00:11:14,040 who saw the lights last night say 205 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,460 they couldn't have been flares. 206 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:20,190 NARRATOR: In central Phoenix, in what is known as the Sunnyslope 207 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:23,360 area, the Ley family were coming home in the early evening 208 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,590 to watch for the Hale-Bopp comet when 209 00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:27,550 they witnessed a very large craft 210 00:11:27,550 --> 00:11:29,750 fly directly over their house. 211 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:31,230 You know, 'cause when the craft went over, 212 00:11:31,230 --> 00:11:33,910 I really focused on the light. 213 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:37,800 The tip was right out in the street and the arm is going by, 214 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,010 and the end of the arm was at least to that mountain 215 00:11:41,010 --> 00:11:41,710 over there. 216 00:11:41,710 --> 00:11:46,200 It was 600, 700 feet away, with these huge lights 217 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,720 set inside of it. 218 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,160 And I look inside and it's, like-- it's wavy. 219 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,180 When you look down the street on a hot day in Phoenix, 220 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:56,470 above the street, like, it's really wavy 221 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:58,940 and you see everything kind of distorted. 222 00:11:58,940 --> 00:12:02,030 That's what it looked like up inside the middle of the craft. 223 00:12:02,030 --> 00:12:03,730 And it just skimmed by. 224 00:12:03,730 --> 00:12:05,100 Didn't even make a sound. 225 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:07,460 Not even a sound. 226 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,900 NARRATOR: Further eyewitness testimony 227 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:10,850 came from Stacey Roads and her daughter 228 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:14,700 Emily, who both saw a giant craft fly over their car. 229 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,170 It was gunmetal black. 230 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:20,370 It wasn't shiny, it wasn't invisible. 231 00:12:20,370 --> 00:12:23,550 It was more of a dull, bluish-black color. 232 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:24,950 And we both just stayed there and looked 233 00:12:24,950 --> 00:12:29,670 at it for a couple minutes, and it was completely silent. 234 00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:31,700 NARRATOR: Mike Fortson spotted the same craft 235 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:35,360 from his backyard in Chandler, a suburb of Phoenix. 236 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,030 When you're looking to the north, towards Phoenix proper, 237 00:12:38,030 --> 00:12:40,240 the lights of the city of Phoenix and Tempe 238 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,640 and Scottsdale and all these here 239 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,260 will form a gray background. 240 00:12:43,260 --> 00:12:44,720 And this was a black object coming 241 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:45,780 through a gray background. 242 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:48,160 We had no problem whatsoever seeing this vehicle. 243 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,820 We knew it wasn't really ours because it 244 00:12:49,820 --> 00:12:51,470 was just too doggone big. 245 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:53,860 Matter of fact, "profoundly massive" 246 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:55,170 is a better way to describe it. 247 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:57,410 We don't really have words in our language to describe 248 00:12:57,410 --> 00:12:58,860 something that large. 249 00:12:58,860 --> 00:13:01,040 It was huge. 250 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,540 NARRATOR: Councilwoman Frances Barwood 251 00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:05,070 was approached by a reporter who complained 252 00:13:05,070 --> 00:13:07,490 about the lack of response from local government 253 00:13:07,490 --> 00:13:09,050 regarding the sightings. 254 00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:11,790 What this reporter said was that they had gone 255 00:13:11,790 --> 00:13:14,680 to every level of government, including the City of Phoenix, 256 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:16,530 and nobody would talk to them. 257 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:20,540 That this object went from north of Prescott and Paulden 258 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:22,520 all the way down to Tucson and then 259 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,810 was also seen in Wickenburg, and nobody 260 00:13:25,810 --> 00:13:26,790 would give them any answer. 261 00:13:26,790 --> 00:13:28,770 They either told them that they were not 262 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:33,110 going to talk about it at all or that there was nothing-- 263 00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:34,960 that nothing happened. 264 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,430 NARRATOR: Responding to mounting pressure from his constituents, 265 00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:40,700 Governor Fife Symington held a press conference. 266 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:42,980 Oh, I'm going to order a full, you know, 267 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:44,810 investigation of this through DPS. 268 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:46,520 We're going to make all the necessary inquiries 269 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,850 and we're gonna get to the bottom of it. 270 00:13:47,850 --> 00:13:49,430 We're gonna find out if it was a UFO-- 271 00:13:49,430 --> 00:13:52,750 [MUSIC PLAYING] 272 00:13:52,750 --> 00:13:54,340 NARRATOR: Later that day, Governor Symington 273 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:56,710 held an unscheduled live press conference 274 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:59,270 to announce that they had discovered the source 275 00:13:59,270 --> 00:14:01,030 behind the Phoenix Lights. 276 00:14:01,030 --> 00:14:02,230 FIFE SYMINGTON (ON TV): Now I'll ask 277 00:14:02,230 --> 00:14:04,840 Officer Stein and his colleagues to escort 278 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,630 the accused into the room, so that we may 279 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:08,240 all look upon the guilty party. 280 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,200 [LAUGHTER] 281 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,460 Now this just goes to show that you 282 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:12,070 guys are entirely too serious. 283 00:14:12,070 --> 00:14:13,530 [LAUGHTER] 284 00:14:13,530 --> 00:14:16,830 I think everybody pretty much laughed at it. 285 00:14:16,830 --> 00:14:18,380 I thought it was really disgusting. 286 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:20,470 He was just dismissing everything 287 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:23,180 that these people had seen and said, just 288 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:26,250 like we're all Looney Tunes. 289 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:28,220 I just thought that was a really improper attitude 290 00:14:28,220 --> 00:14:30,030 for somebody in his position. 291 00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:33,120 Nobody in state, local, federal, military-- nobody 292 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,230 wanted to talk about it. 293 00:14:35,230 --> 00:14:36,710 They didn't want to interview witnesses. 294 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:37,930 They said it didn't happen. 295 00:14:37,930 --> 00:14:40,010 They said it didn't concern them. 296 00:14:40,010 --> 00:14:42,090 There was one councilwoman, Frances Barwood. 297 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:45,680 She's the one that spoke up and said, why don't we investigate? 298 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,840 And then when it came time for her election, 299 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,930 she lost, and the press, the media, everybody else 300 00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:52,720 was really trashing her bad. 301 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,000 Why is everybody so afraid? 302 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,650 And the only thing I can think of is, one, 303 00:14:57,650 --> 00:14:59,510 they were afraid of their careers. 304 00:14:59,510 --> 00:15:02,400 Which, you know, comes to a point of what's more important, 305 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,290 your soul or your job? 306 00:15:03,290 --> 00:15:05,580 And I guess to them, it's their job. 307 00:15:05,580 --> 00:15:10,060 And the second thing is the scorn factor. 308 00:15:10,060 --> 00:15:13,550 NARRATOR: In 2006, we caught up with Governor Fife Symington 309 00:15:13,550 --> 00:15:16,790 to find out what really happened and whether he believed 310 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:19,240 the military's explanation that the Phoenix 311 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,940 Lights were just flares. 312 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:22,880 I was never satisfied with the explanation 313 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,540 that they were high-altitude flares. 314 00:15:24,540 --> 00:15:25,780 It didn't look like that. 315 00:15:25,780 --> 00:15:29,230 They were too-- it was all too symmetrical. 316 00:15:29,230 --> 00:15:35,320 I mean, it clearly had a shape to it, and a big shape. 317 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,410 And it was a constant shape. 318 00:15:37,410 --> 00:15:39,820 And you can't control flares that way. 319 00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:41,340 There's just no way they were flares. 320 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:42,580 NARRATOR: We also asked him what he 321 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:45,400 wanted to accomplish with his alien stunt 322 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:46,610 at the press conference. 323 00:15:46,610 --> 00:15:48,370 The hysteria that was building with Francis 324 00:15:48,370 --> 00:15:51,340 Barwood on the city council and some others. 325 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:53,100 And I thought it was just-- you know, 326 00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:58,550 they were just getting too, you know, overboard about it. 327 00:15:58,550 --> 00:16:01,210 I mean, it was unbelievable the hysteria that was building, 328 00:16:01,210 --> 00:16:03,970 and I just felt that there was a need for some levity, 329 00:16:03,970 --> 00:16:06,050 and we were known, once in awhile, to pull a prank. 330 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:08,770 And I dressed my chief of staff up as a Martian. 331 00:16:08,770 --> 00:16:10,990 We led him in in this Martian costume in handcuffs 332 00:16:10,990 --> 00:16:14,550 with the Department of Public Safety police officers 333 00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:16,550 and it was just hilarious. 334 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:18,630 And it was just a total meltdown at the press conference. 335 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:19,830 It was a spoof. 336 00:16:19,830 --> 00:16:22,580 And now I'll ask Officer Stein and his colleagues 337 00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:24,280 to escort the accused into the room 338 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,840 so that we may all look upon the guilty party. 339 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,710 Don't get him too close to me, please. 340 00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:30,870 NARRATOR: We confronted him with a tape recording from one 341 00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:33,340 of his many constituents who failed to find 342 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:34,970 the humor in this staged event. 343 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:36,220 It's been a long time since I've 344 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:37,480 been put on the spot on TV. 345 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,290 [LAUGHTER] 346 00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:42,190 STACEY ROADS (ON TAPE): Is this still a matter of ridicule 347 00:16:42,190 --> 00:16:47,000 to him after he came out on TV with his alien, 348 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,260 making us all look a little foolish? 349 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:53,200 We've all remained unwavering of our descriptions. 350 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,240 A lot of evidence has been provided since then 351 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,400 and I'm wondering if he still feels 352 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,890 this is a matter of ridicule or if he 353 00:16:59,890 --> 00:17:02,380 has taken a new stance on this. 354 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:04,340 Well, it's a good question. 355 00:17:04,340 --> 00:17:06,240 And of course, as I said earlier, 356 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,020 I never felt that the overall situation 357 00:17:09,020 --> 00:17:10,760 was a matter of ridicule. 358 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,420 We certainly took advantage of it. 359 00:17:12,420 --> 00:17:13,590 Now this just goes to show that you 360 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:15,190 guys are entirely too serious. 361 00:17:15,190 --> 00:17:18,430 [LAUGHTER] 362 00:17:19,820 --> 00:17:21,630 Yeah, you know, if I had to do it all over again, 363 00:17:21,630 --> 00:17:24,380 I probably would have handled it differently. 364 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:25,680 But at least I have the opportunity now 365 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,820 to correct the record, and that's important. 366 00:17:27,820 --> 00:17:29,370 NARRATOR: In correcting the record, 367 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:31,650 he told us what he would say now. 368 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:35,600 I would say that, at that time, over Phoenix, 369 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:42,780 we all experienced a very exciting sighting of some kind 370 00:17:42,780 --> 00:17:44,680 of a craft of unknown origin. 371 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,180 Nobody's ever been able to explain it. 372 00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:50,920 And that it was-- most of us feel that it was definitely, 373 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:56,650 you know, of alien origin-- enormous, inexplicable. 374 00:17:56,650 --> 00:17:59,840 Probably one of the major sightings in modern history 375 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,110 in the country, 'cause a lot of people 376 00:18:01,110 --> 00:18:03,550 saw it in Maricopa County, and I saw it too. 377 00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:05,260 And we never got to the bottom of it. 378 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:08,460 We never found out what they were. 379 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:11,720 [MUSIC PLAYING] 380 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,690 NARRATOR: The US military's involvement in the UFO subject 381 00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:19,580 dates back to World War II. 382 00:18:19,580 --> 00:18:21,800 It began with the sighting by Air Force 383 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,950 pilots of mysterious, luminous orbs called 384 00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:28,090 "foo fighters," which would pace aircraft during missions 385 00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:29,750 and then dart away. 386 00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:32,850 They'd fly circles around anything we've got flying. 387 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:34,600 That strange behavior includes the ability 388 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,450 to both hover and move at extremely high velocity, 389 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:39,110 to make a right-angle turns at high speed, 390 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:40,960 to go straight up, straight down. 391 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,590 All of this, typically, without any noise, 392 00:18:42,590 --> 00:18:44,440 without any visible external engine, without any wings, 393 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,050 without any tail. 394 00:18:46,050 --> 00:18:50,650 We simply could not do that back 50 years ago. 395 00:18:50,650 --> 00:18:53,600 NARRATOR: In the summer of 1947, numerous UFOs 396 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,300 were spotted by local authorities, airline pilots, 397 00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:58,180 and civilians worldwide. 398 00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:01,070 By July, these sightings made headlines in newspapers 399 00:19:01,070 --> 00:19:05,030 all across the United States, culminating on the 8th of July 400 00:19:05,030 --> 00:19:08,520 with the alleged recovery of a crashed disc on a ranch 401 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:09,760 near Roswell, New Mexico. 402 00:19:12,940 --> 00:19:15,890 The military were quick to respond. 403 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:17,980 They sent agents out all over this area 404 00:19:17,980 --> 00:19:20,910 here to try to get information on Roswell. 405 00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:22,180 And yet, we stood back like fools 406 00:19:22,180 --> 00:19:23,180 and said that it didn't exist. 407 00:19:23,180 --> 00:19:25,030 It was a weather balloon. 408 00:19:25,030 --> 00:19:27,530 NARRATOR: 50 years after the incident, Colonel Phillip J 409 00:19:27,530 --> 00:19:31,050 Corso, formerly a member of the National Security Council, 410 00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:33,940 revealed that the weather balloons over Roswell 411 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:38,260 was a cover story for the crash of an alien craft. 412 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:40,920 We had to cover to protect our own installation, 413 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,350 'cause they tabbed us as kooks and it 414 00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:43,540 would destroy our organization. 415 00:19:43,540 --> 00:19:45,150 You had to understand what was going 416 00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:48,040 on in the government and the climate of opinion and all. 417 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,450 So, discretion better part of valor, 418 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:52,870 we just kept it to ourselves. 419 00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:56,080 Only some certain people knew about it, head to head, brain 420 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,830 to brain-- no paper trail. 421 00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:01,310 NARRATOR: Although the official position claimed that UFOs 422 00:20:01,310 --> 00:20:03,900 didn't exist, this secret memorandum 423 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:07,460 written by General Nathan Twining suggests otherwise. 424 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:10,400 The consensus expressed by the Air Materiel Command 425 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,670 was that "the phenomenon reported 426 00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:18,330 is something real and not visionary or fictitious." 427 00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:22,230 The memo continues, "There are objects probably approximating 428 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:25,180 the shape of a disc of such appreciable size 429 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:31,050 as to appear to be as large as a man-made aircraft." 430 00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:33,180 In this chaotic climate and in an effort 431 00:20:33,180 --> 00:20:36,680 to reorganize the US military, President Truman passed 432 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,900 the National Security Act. 433 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:41,670 This act built the framework for America's modern 434 00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:43,720 national security structure. 435 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,380 Among other things, the act established the National 436 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:50,840 Security Council and the CIA. 437 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,930 The National Security Act of 1947 438 00:20:52,930 --> 00:20:56,110 allowed for the creation of a state within a state. 439 00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:59,370 NARRATOR: Author of "UFOs and the National Security State," 440 00:20:59,370 --> 00:21:02,350 Richard Dolan asserts that the signing of the National 441 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:05,810 Security Act created an intelligence infrastructure 442 00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:09,470 capable of maintaining a very high level of secrecy. 443 00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:11,570 One with an enormous amount of power, 444 00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:15,150 an enormous amount of wealth, an enormous amount of secrecy 445 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,220 and latitude of action. 446 00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:19,780 NARRATOR: The level of secrecy imposed by the US government 447 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:23,970 on the UFO issue is revealed in this top secret memorandum. 448 00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:27,600 It was written in 1950 by electronics engineer Wilbert 449 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,460 Smith, a high-ranking ranking official in the Canadian 450 00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:31,420 Department of Transport. 451 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:37,300 After a meeting with a top government scientist employed 452 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:41,160 by the Pentagon, Smith was informed that "flying saucers 453 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,320 exist," and more significantly, "the matter is the most highly 454 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,960 classified subject in the United States government, 455 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,160 rating higher even than the H-bomb." 456 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,660 [EXPLOSION] 457 00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:59,160 In my opinion, I think they were wary that it would panic 458 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,730 the public if they knew that someone had vehicles 459 00:22:01,730 --> 00:22:03,700 that had this kind of performance way 460 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:06,450 back right after World War II. 461 00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:09,790 NARRATOR: On a clear night in February of 1951, 462 00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:12,060 Lieutenant Graham Bethune sat at the controls 463 00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:16,530 of a US Navy transport plane en route from Iceland to America. 464 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:20,170 The flight was routine until Bethune spotted a strange group 465 00:22:20,170 --> 00:22:21,830 of lights below his aircraft. 466 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:25,240 And we were at 10,000 feet-- this is about 15 miles away. 467 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,910 It came up to us like that, just about that fast. 468 00:22:28,910 --> 00:22:32,610 And of course, I disengaged the autopilot to put the nose over. 469 00:22:32,610 --> 00:22:34,640 I thought we'd be able to go under this thing 470 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,320 and not collide with it. 471 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,220 And when I did, it's staring me in the face 472 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:40,680 and you couldn't see anything out of the cockpit. 473 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,430 We could tell it was a monster, about 300 feet in diameter. 474 00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:49,150 As it drifted out to our right, we could see the dome. 475 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,730 NARRATOR: According to Lieutenant Bethune, 476 00:22:50,730 --> 00:22:53,520 the object remained in this position for about a minute. 477 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,110 It then accelerated rapidly and disappeared above the horizon. 478 00:23:02,260 --> 00:23:04,400 Upon landing at an airbase in Newfoundland, 479 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,340 he was debriefed and interrogated 480 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:09,160 by several officers from Naval Intelligence. 481 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,540 At the conclusion, he was ordered to never speak 482 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:13,490 about this incident again. 483 00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:15,750 You accept anything like that simply 484 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:19,040 because you're in the military and that's your job, 485 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,060 defending the country. 486 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:23,420 And whatever they tell you to do, you do. 487 00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:26,000 NARRATOR: The identity of the group responsible for imposing 488 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,290 the secrecy around the UFO issue was revealed to Lieutenant 489 00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:32,450 Bethune several months later in a conversation with an officer 490 00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:34,790 from Naval Intelligence. 491 00:23:34,790 --> 00:23:36,290 And I ask him the question. 492 00:23:36,290 --> 00:23:38,140 I said, what happens to this report? 493 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:39,690 Where does it go? 494 00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:42,800 He said, it goes to Navy Intelligence, the Chief 495 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,510 of Naval Operations, then it goes to a Joint 496 00:23:46,510 --> 00:23:48,010 Intelligence Committee. 497 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:51,600 And of course, later on, I learned that was M-A-J-I-C, 498 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,520 which is Majority Agency of Joint Intelligence. 499 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,760 Now he said, this is a small committee, 500 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,510 but this committee determined whether it would 501 00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:58,990 affect our national security. 502 00:23:58,990 --> 00:24:00,440 That if it did, it would probably 503 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,790 never go anywhere else. 504 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:10,290 [MUSIC PLAYING] 505 00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:11,590 NARRATOR: One of the main arguments 506 00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:14,560 used to deny the possibility of interstellar travel 507 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,710 is the question of distance. 508 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,090 The closest star, Alpha Centauri, 509 00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:26,070 is 4.2 light years away. 510 00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:27,880 If astronauts traveled to this star 511 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,700 at the speed they reached the moon, 512 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,280 it would take them roughly 100,000 years. 513 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,310 ALAN SHEPARD (ON RADIO): OK, make it smooth. 514 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:36,070 NARRATOR: Another major obstacle in obtaining 515 00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:39,290 interstellar travel would be the amount of fuel required. 516 00:24:39,290 --> 00:24:40,830 When you're driving a car, the amount 517 00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:42,520 of propellant you have to carry in your fuel tank 518 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,050 is very small, just a few percent of the weight of car. 519 00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:47,820 When you're trying to carry enough propellant to take 520 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:51,100 a rocket ship vast distances, even in our solar system, 521 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:53,670 pretty soon you find yourself carrying a propellant 522 00:24:53,670 --> 00:24:55,200 just to propel the propellant. 523 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,360 This problem skyrockets to infinity. 524 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,820 So we'd want to go to propulsion systems 525 00:24:59,820 --> 00:25:02,100 that very, very high exhaust velocities. 526 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,940 And with a chemical reaction-- essentially, a barely contained 527 00:25:04,940 --> 00:25:07,050 explosion with a chemical rocket-- 528 00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:08,180 you have a limit to that. 529 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:10,430 And that limit is currently almost 530 00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:12,230 met by the Shuttle engines. 531 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:14,410 You can't go beyond it very well. 532 00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:16,040 And so we have to go to some other kinds 533 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,020 of propulsive source. 534 00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:21,350 [MUSIC PLAYING] 535 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:26,920 NARRATOR: Even if we could develop a radical form 536 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,320 of propulsion capable of obtaining near lightspeed, 537 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,810 Einstein's theory of relativity tells us 538 00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:35,950 that we would encounter another enormous problem. 539 00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:38,690 There's a law of relativity that says that the closer you 540 00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:42,250 try to accelerate something like a rocket to the speed of light, 541 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:43,560 the more massive it becomes. 542 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,310 And so it becomes infinitely massive at the speed 543 00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:49,900 of light, which makes it impossible to get there. 544 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,460 A new way of thinking about the universe-- 545 00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:54,590 NARRATOR: Physics professor, Rhodes Scholar, 546 00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:57,160 and author of the national bestseller, "The Elegant 547 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,580 Universe," Dr. Brian Greene has been 548 00:25:59,580 --> 00:26:01,540 researching relativity and quantum 549 00:26:01,540 --> 00:26:03,790 physics for several decades. 550 00:26:03,790 --> 00:26:06,360 Dr. Greene brings up another problem with traveling 551 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:07,690 near the speed of light. 552 00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:10,480 If astronauts one day go to the moon 553 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,890 and beyond in ships that travel at a substantial fraction 554 00:26:13,890 --> 00:26:16,960 of the speed of light, when they return to Earth, 555 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,430 relatively really tells us they will be in for a shock. 556 00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:24,290 Because while they may have thought a few months went by, 557 00:26:24,290 --> 00:26:26,850 they'll get back to Earth and they'll see that years 558 00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:29,850 and years-- hundreds, perhaps thousands of years-- 559 00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:31,280 will have gone by. 560 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,200 This is not science fiction. 561 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,670 This is science fact. 562 00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:38,650 So the idea of traveling between stellar systems 563 00:26:38,650 --> 00:26:41,050 in normal space, I don't believe, is possible. 564 00:26:41,050 --> 00:26:44,830 We're gonna have to invoke jump gates from "Babylon 5," or warp 565 00:26:44,830 --> 00:26:46,810 drives from "Star Trek." 566 00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:50,750 And of course, in 100 years, who knows what might develop? 567 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:54,240 MAN: Three, two, one, zero. 568 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,320 NARRATOR: Although, at present, the solution to interstellar 569 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,630 travel may sound like science fiction, 570 00:26:58,630 --> 00:27:00,460 a growing number of scientists are 571 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:02,690 exploring radical new theories that 572 00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:04,380 may circumvent these obstacles. 573 00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:09,660 We're beginning to discover in theoretical physics 574 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:11,870 that maybe our entire universe is just 575 00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:14,440 a subset of a much greater universe, 576 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,740 a multi-dimensional universe. 577 00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:17,450 That's being investigated in modern superstring 578 00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:19,440 and M-brane theory. 579 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,800 In the context of those theories, 580 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,770 there may be new possibilities that, so to speak, step outside 581 00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:25,810 of space-time, move somewhere else, 582 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:29,050 and come back into our universe at some distant location. 583 00:27:29,050 --> 00:27:31,590 Einstein teaches us that the fabric of space 584 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:33,600 can respond to its environment. 585 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,960 It can warp and curve. 586 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,120 And in fact, the equations of general relativity 587 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,430 allow the fabric of space to have severe bends. 588 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:47,480 So long as you distribute matter and energy 589 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,640 in the appropriate way, you can bend 590 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,690 space fairly significantly. 591 00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:54,110 So in principle, it's possible that if you want 592 00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:57,210 to go from one end of the universe to another, 593 00:27:57,210 --> 00:28:00,350 you don't have to travel all along the fabric of space. 594 00:28:00,350 --> 00:28:03,230 Maybe you can bend the fabric of space, 595 00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:06,530 and then travel from here to here-- a very short journey-- 596 00:28:06,530 --> 00:28:08,620 by a shortcut, a wormhole. 597 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:12,090 [MUSIC PLAYING] 598 00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:21,090 NARRATOR: Continuing research into the possibilities 599 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:22,750 of interstellar travel are currently 600 00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:25,350 being conducted by NASA's Breakthrough Propulsion 601 00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:28,220 team headed by Mark Millis. 602 00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:30,530 What we're trying to do is break it down into the smaller 603 00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:33,090 steps to attack the critical make/break 604 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,080 issues of some of the things we need to find out. 605 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,470 Can you propel a vehicle without propellant? 606 00:28:37,470 --> 00:28:40,240 Can you conserve momentum in the process? 607 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,870 The issues of faster-than-light travel, 608 00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:43,740 the causality violations and things like that. 609 00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:46,200 Address those in smaller steps to see if you 610 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,860 can eventually lead that way. 611 00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:52,400 MICHAEL LINDEMANN: Today we have scientists working for NASA, 612 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,750 working for the US Air Force, working for British Aerospace, 613 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:57,970 working for other firms and agencies 614 00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:01,450 that we don't even know about that are intent on discovering 615 00:29:01,450 --> 00:29:03,700 how to do star travel. 616 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,830 They have already decided it can be done theoretically. 617 00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:09,890 Now the question is, OK, what's the trick? 618 00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:11,650 Let's figure it out. 619 00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:15,480 If you look back 50, 100 years to what science as we knew then 620 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,590 and what we could do today, who knows 621 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:20,880 what we could do in the future? 622 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,200 So I have an inherent optimism about progress 623 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,510 and I think that what seems impossible today will 624 00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:31,690 possibly be possible tomorrow. 625 00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:33,450 We're at that point of imagining these things, 626 00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:35,490 asking these technological questions. 627 00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:41,620 Clearly that opens the door to at least the possibilities 628 00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:43,680 that others have figured it out already. 629 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,920 [MUSIC PLAYING] 630 00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:51,390 MAN (ON RADIO): T-minus 15 seconds and counting. 631 00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:58,890 Nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two-- 632 00:29:58,890 --> 00:30:00,290 All right, there it goes. 633 00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:07,060 NARRATOR: In 1965, Gordon Cooper was the last American astronaut 634 00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:08,290 to go up into space alone. 635 00:30:08,290 --> 00:30:10,030 GORDON COOPER (ON RADIO): see what they think on it. 636 00:30:10,030 --> 00:30:12,270 Now the action that I have taken is to turn off 637 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:14,670 my 0.05 g switch gears and my-- 638 00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:17,230 NARRATOR: He orbited the planet 22 times. 639 00:30:17,230 --> 00:30:20,650 [MUSIC PLAYING] 640 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:27,480 [CHEERING] 641 00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:31,260 GORDON COOPER: I think those already 642 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:34,840 that know me know that I've always spoken honestly 643 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,780 and straightforward to you. 644 00:30:37,780 --> 00:30:40,270 I intend to do so today. 645 00:30:40,270 --> 00:30:42,530 NARRATOR: 10 years earlier, while stationed at Edwards Air 646 00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:44,610 Force Base, Cooper witnessed an event that 647 00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:49,660 has yet to be explained nearly 50 years later. 648 00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:52,250 He was supervising the filming of a precision landing 649 00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:54,610 facility for F-86 fighter jets. 650 00:30:59,670 --> 00:31:01,780 Suddenly, a saucer-like craft flew 651 00:31:01,780 --> 00:31:03,700 directly over the cameramen. 652 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,490 Three landing gear apparatus opened and the object 653 00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:09,050 landed on the dry lakebed. 654 00:31:09,050 --> 00:31:10,960 GORDON COOPER: It was just a typical saucer 655 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,640 shape, that double lenticular shape, metallic. 656 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,440 And they went out and picked up their cameras 657 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,080 and moved on out toward him, filming. 658 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,880 And he lifted off, put the gear back in the well, 659 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,880 and climbed out at a very rate of speed and disappeared. 660 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,290 NARRATOR: Cooper had the film footage 661 00:31:29,290 --> 00:31:30,640 of the strange craft developed. 662 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:35,380 By the time it returned from processing, 663 00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:38,040 he had gone up through the ranks to report the incident. 664 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,780 Finally, with the colonel telling me the, uh-- you know, 665 00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:43,590 when the film arrived at my desk, 666 00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:45,510 to put it in a carrier pouch. 667 00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:48,680 There'd be a courier there at my office by that time already 668 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,970 and they'd arranged for him to fly in our base airplane back 669 00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:56,890 to Washington with these films. 670 00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:59,360 MALE INTERVIEWER: Did you watch the film? 671 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,850 We didn't have a chance to run it. 672 00:32:00,850 --> 00:32:03,770 I had a chance to hold it up to the window and look at it. 673 00:32:03,770 --> 00:32:06,570 It was certainly good film. 674 00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:07,840 NARRATOR: After the developed film 675 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,150 was sent by plane to Washington, it was 676 00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:11,530 never seen or heard of again. 677 00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:13,430 MALE INTERVIEWER: Did you ever keep in touch with anybody 678 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:14,520 about it or discuss it? 679 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,680 How would I keep in touch with anybody about it? 680 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,090 There's no way within the military 681 00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:22,040 or within the government of keeping track of something that 682 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,960 is classified, unless you're directly involved in it, 683 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,970 and I was not. 684 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,750 I went into space to learn about the universe we live in, 685 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:36,960 to get new insights, to go beyond the boundaries 686 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,740 of our known existence. 687 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:40,010 EDGAR MITCHELL (ON RADIO): How's this? 688 00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:40,890 Look OK? 689 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:44,550 NARRATOR: Apollo 14 astronaut and sixth man on the moon Edgar 690 00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:47,890 Mitchell states in his book, "The Way of the Explorer," 691 00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:52,090 that he's never had firsthand experience with UFOs. 692 00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:55,210 However, he has "met with credible professionals 693 00:32:55,210 --> 00:32:57,560 within two governments who have testified 694 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,850 to their own firsthand experiences 695 00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:03,140 with 'close encounters' during their official duties. 696 00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:05,270 The only people I know of that claim 697 00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:09,470 to have been in that position are former intelligence, 698 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:14,530 military, and government people and some contractor people 699 00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:17,130 whose official duties in the early days 700 00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:21,560 were to investigate this and know about it. 701 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,510 Those people are under-- were under at that time-- 702 00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:29,360 great restrictions and high security 703 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,460 clearance that prevented them from telling 704 00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:33,970 the general public about it. 705 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:35,840 What we photographed up there affected me 706 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,010 for the rest of my life. 707 00:33:37,010 --> 00:33:40,940 NARRATOR: In 1964, former US Air Force lieutenant Bob Jacobs 708 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:44,420 was in the 1369th photo squadron at Vandenberg 709 00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:46,560 Air Force Base in California. 710 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,330 He was in charge of photo-optical instrumentation 711 00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:53,140 at a tracking site in Big Sur, 124 miles away. 712 00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:59,360 His mission was to film an Atlas rocket go through all three 713 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,370 stages of powered flight. 714 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:04,400 This particular mission was part of the Nike Zeus objective 715 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,100 for the development of an anti-missile missile 716 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,560 during the height of the Cold War. 717 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,930 All cameras rolled as they heard liftoff from Vandenberg 718 00:34:12,930 --> 00:34:13,630 over their radio. 719 00:34:13,630 --> 00:34:19,090 MAN (ON RADIO): Six, five, four, three, two, one. 720 00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:30,070 ROBERT JACOBS: We were looking down south, southwest, 721 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:31,580 and the missile popped up through the fog. 722 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:34,130 It was just beautiful. 723 00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:36,060 Then our guys on our M45 tracking 724 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:39,830 mount with 180-inch lenses on it got it. 725 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:41,190 And sure enough, we could see all three 726 00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:44,090 stages of powered flight as they burned out and dropped away. 727 00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:46,050 And then, of course, to our naked eye, all we saw 728 00:34:46,050 --> 00:34:49,670 was a kind of smoke trail going off into subspace. 729 00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:52,530 So we whoopeed and shouted and heard the film 730 00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:56,990 wrap off in the BU telescope and figured, 731 00:34:56,990 --> 00:35:00,410 well, that was our first big deal and we got it. 732 00:35:00,410 --> 00:35:02,430 NARRATOR: Lieutenant Jacobs then took the cans of film 733 00:35:02,430 --> 00:35:06,510 down to Vandenberg to have them developed that night. 734 00:35:06,510 --> 00:35:09,400 The following morning, Jacobs was ordered to go immediately 735 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,340 to the office of Major Florence J 736 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:14,130 Mansmann, the ranking optical instrumentation 737 00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:15,760 officer in charge. 738 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,130 I walked into his office and they 739 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:20,410 had a screen and a 16-millimeter projector set up. 740 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:23,920 There was a couch and Major Mansmann said sit down. 741 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,600 And there were two guys, as I recall-- 742 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,590 two guys in grey suits, civilian clothes, 743 00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:30,610 which was fairly unusual. 744 00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:36,700 And Major Mansmann said, "Watch this," 745 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:38,550 and turned on the film projector. 746 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:40,320 And I watched the screen and there 747 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,080 was the launch from the day or two before at Big Sur. 748 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,820 As the Atlas missile entered the frame, 749 00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:52,580 we could see the whole third stage, which has two rocket 750 00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:54,810 nozzles like this and one in the center, a gimbaled one 751 00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:58,750 in the center, fill in our frame from 100 and-- oh, 752 00:35:58,750 --> 00:35:59,920 about 160 miles. 753 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,930 It pretty exciting optics. 754 00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:05,570 And then on that telescope we could see the warhead, 755 00:36:05,570 --> 00:36:07,170 the dummy warhead. 756 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:08,990 NARRATOR: According to Jacobs, at this stage, 757 00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:10,920 the rocket was travelling between 11,000 758 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,300 and 14,000 miles per hour when a saucer-shaped 759 00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,400 craft entered the frame. 760 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,120 It flew into the frame like this 761 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,690 and it shot a beam of light at the warhead. 762 00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:25,000 Now remember, all this stuff is flying at several thousand 763 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,280 miles an hour. 764 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,320 So the thing fires a beam of light at the warhead, 765 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,010 hits it, fires another beam of light, 766 00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:32,770 and then flies out the way it came in. 767 00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:37,840 And the warhead tumbles out of space. 768 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,120 Now, when the lights came on, Major Mansmann 769 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,050 turned around, looked at me, and said, 770 00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:44,760 were you guys screwing around up there? 771 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,000 And I said, no, sir. 772 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,260 And he said, what was that? 773 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:53,370 And I said, it looks to me like we got a UFO. 774 00:36:56,820 --> 00:36:58,210 NARRATOR: Nearly two decades later, 775 00:36:58,210 --> 00:37:00,890 several letters written by Major Florence J Mansmann 776 00:37:00,890 --> 00:37:01,980 were obtained. 777 00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:06,770 In one dated March 8, 1983, Major Mansmann corroborated 778 00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:09,160 Lieutenant Jacobs' story. 779 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,260 "In the film, the assumption was at that time extraterrestrial. 780 00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:15,980 Details would be sketchy and from memory. 781 00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:18,060 The shape was classic disc. 782 00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:21,900 The center seemed to be a raised bubble." 783 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:26,600 Now Major Mansmann said to me, after some discussion 784 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:33,470 about it-- he said, you are never to speak of this again. 785 00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:35,820 As far as you're concerned, this never happened. 786 00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:40,810 NARRATOR: In another letter, Major Mansmann describes how 787 00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:43,060 two agents took the footage. 788 00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:45,190 "They did not sign out for all the footage, 789 00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:47,930 but took out that part that showed the encounter 790 00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:51,820 and returned the rest of the film as a 'complete' package. 791 00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:54,980 The one agent stated as he handed me back the film, 792 00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:58,700 'That leaves you off the hook, but not off any disclosure-- 793 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:03,290 understood?' Naturally, my answer was, 'Yes, sir.'" 794 00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:05,220 Major Mansmann never saw it again 795 00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:08,160 and, as far as I'm concerned, nobody else ever saw it again. 796 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,230 Certainly not at Vandenberg. 797 00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:10,690 I'm certain that it left Vandenberg 798 00:38:10,690 --> 00:38:11,490 and went somewhere else. 799 00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:16,310 NARRATOR: Another case involving nuclear missiles 800 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:18,410 happened three years later at Malmstrom 801 00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:20,280 Air Force Base in Montana. 802 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,610 This site is the largest missile field in the world. 803 00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:28,230 We simply were told not to talk about it. 804 00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:31,790 We did not talk about it to anyone. 805 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:34,270 NARRATOR: As a Strategic Air Command launch controller, 806 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:36,140 Lieutenant Colonel Robert Salas was 807 00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:38,380 one of the men responsible for the deployment 808 00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:40,690 of nuclear Minuteman missiles. 809 00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:44,470 Three, two, one, key turn. 810 00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:52,520 NARRATOR: These missiles were to be launched as a counterattack 811 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,670 in the event of nuclear war. 812 00:38:57,410 --> 00:39:01,070 On March 16, 1967, Lieutenant Colonel Salas 813 00:39:01,070 --> 00:39:04,630 was on duty when he was contacted by his topside guard 814 00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:06,960 stating that there was an unidentified object 815 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,020 above the missile site. 816 00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:10,280 --as I can tell, it'll be past the initiating area in-- 817 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,380 NARRATOR: Salas ordered the guard 818 00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:14,750 to observe and report back on any further development. 819 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:17,020 Then he called back within a few minutes 820 00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:18,740 and was very frightened. 821 00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:21,620 I could tell by his voice he was extremely agitated. 822 00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:26,660 He said there was an object hovering 823 00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:29,750 outside the front gate, a reddish-orange, 824 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:31,550 oval-shaped object. 825 00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:34,010 And it just hung there quietly. 826 00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:38,160 I went and woke up my commander and told 827 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,270 him about the two phone calls. 828 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,410 And as I was telling him about the phone calls, 829 00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:51,500 our missiles went into no-go condition, one after the other. 830 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:56,740 We lost nearly 20 missiles that morning. 831 00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:58,250 NARRATOR: After speaking with his commander, 832 00:39:58,250 --> 00:40:01,420 Salas again contacted the topside guard. 833 00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:05,590 The guard said that the UFO had vanished. 834 00:40:05,590 --> 00:40:08,750 Basically, it just took off at high speed. 835 00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:10,780 It was no longer there. 836 00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:14,870 These missiles are controlled individually, 837 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:18,050 so if something did happen within the system-- 838 00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:21,360 the electrical system, let's say, or the command and control 839 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,850 system-- for one missile, one launch facility, 840 00:40:24,850 --> 00:40:26,180 it would not affect the others. 841 00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:27,070 One select switch off. 842 00:40:27,070 --> 00:40:28,980 Check. 843 00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:30,480 ROBERT SALAS: And in addition, these missiles 844 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,380 are separated by miles. 845 00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:35,570 So all these things point to the fact 846 00:40:35,570 --> 00:40:44,430 that somehow this object was able to disable these missiles. 847 00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:46,040 NARRATOR: Later that day, Salas was ordered 848 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,680 to report to the Air Force Office 849 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,340 of Special Investigations for debriefing by two OSI officers. 850 00:40:52,340 --> 00:40:55,990 And so after we gave them our little debrief, the first thing 851 00:40:55,990 --> 00:41:00,240 the OSI guy did is stand up and said, 852 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,830 you need to sign these documents not to disclose any of this 853 00:41:02,830 --> 00:41:04,610 to anyone, ever. 854 00:41:04,610 --> 00:41:10,630 And we signed and basically that was it. 855 00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:13,570 Neither one of them asked too many more questions 856 00:41:13,570 --> 00:41:16,280 and we were escorted out. 857 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,910 NARRATOR: Several recently declassified 858 00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:20,730 documents support Salas' claims of UFO 859 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,390 sightings near Malmstrom. 860 00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:27,040 This preliminary report dated the 24th of March, 861 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,540 1967 states that "between the hours of 2100 and 0400 Mountain 862 00:41:31,540 --> 00:41:35,500 Standard Time numerous reports were received by Malmstrom Air 863 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:38,970 Force Base agencies of UFO sightings in the Great Falls, 864 00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:41,910 Montana area." 865 00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:46,010 It goes on further to state that "reports of a UFO landing 866 00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:49,620 near Belt, Montana were received from several sources, 867 00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:54,690 including deputies of Cascade County Sheriff's Office." 868 00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:57,980 Another formally classified secret Air Force telex states 869 00:41:57,980 --> 00:42:01,690 that "the fact that no apparent reason for the loss of 10 870 00:42:01,690 --> 00:42:03,700 missiles can be readily identified 871 00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:09,100 as cause for grave concern to this headquarters." 872 00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,870 In 1993, after Lieutenant Colonel Salas 873 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:13,640 had retired from the Air Force, he 874 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,290 tried to gain access to official Air Force records 875 00:42:16,290 --> 00:42:18,370 of the incident. 876 00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:20,350 In a letter from the Department of the Air Force, 877 00:42:20,350 --> 00:42:23,900 he was informed that "no UFO report affected 878 00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:27,520 national security," making reference to an attached Air 879 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,490 Force fact sheet which states "no UFO reported, investigated, 880 00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:34,580 and evaluated by the Air Force has 881 00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:36,600 ever given any indication of threat 882 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,810 to our national security." 883 00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:44,260 If 20 nuclear missiles going down the same time UFOs are 884 00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:51,170 sighted-- nearly 20-- is not a national security incident, 885 00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:53,850 then I don't know what is. 886 00:42:53,850 --> 00:42:55,460 NARRATOR: If unidentified flying objects 887 00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:59,000 are capable of disabling our most powerful weapon systems, 888 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,710 then understandably the military would 889 00:43:00,710 --> 00:43:02,720 not want to reveal any information 890 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,730 exposing its vulnerability. 891 00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:08,370 This is confirmed in a letter from the Department of the US 892 00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:11,570 Air Force which states, "as regards this subject matter, 893 00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:14,590 mere existence or nonexistence is currently 894 00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:17,660 and properly classified per executive order 895 00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:20,010 and exempt from mandatory disclosure 896 00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:22,220 under the Freedom of Information Act 897 00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:26,990 because it would reveal defense capability or lack thereof." 898 00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:29,160 This letter was a response to an inquiry 899 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,920 made by electronic system technician Lee Graham. 900 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,480 At the time, Mr. Graham worked at Aerojet, a prime contractor 901 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,850 to the US Air Force in developing DSP satellites. 902 00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:42,700 He asked the foreign technology division 903 00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:45,070 if the satellite system he worked on 904 00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:48,560 could and had detected UFOs. 905 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,710 Perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make-- 906 00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:54,130 NARRATOR: On five separate occasions, 907 00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:57,420 Ronald Reagan made references to an outside alien threat 908 00:43:57,420 --> 00:44:00,510 and the unifying effect it would have on us all. 909 00:44:00,510 --> 00:44:03,630 One such reference was made in September of 1987 910 00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:06,320 while addressing the United Nations. 911 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,030 I occasionally think how quickly our differences 912 00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:15,290 worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat 913 00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:18,500 from outside this world. 914 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:23,980 And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? 915 00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:27,580 What could be more alien to the universal aspirations 916 00:44:27,580 --> 00:44:30,950 of our peoples than war and the threat of war? 917 00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:40,450 [MUSIC PLAYING] 918 00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:45,890 NARRATOR: Not every government chooses 919 00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:49,390 to deny the existence of UFOs. 920 00:44:49,390 --> 00:44:52,010 Since the fall of communism in 1989, 921 00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:53,670 information surrounding the subject 922 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:55,760 has become much more accessible in Russia. 923 00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:06,010 Cosmonaut Pavel Popovich was one of Russia's earliest 924 00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:06,830 cosmonauts. 925 00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:09,180 He joins the ranks of an increasing number 926 00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:12,600 of military personnel who have testified as to the validity 927 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,830 of the UFO phenomena. 928 00:45:15,830 --> 00:45:17,790 Major General Popovich shared with us 929 00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:19,720 a sighting he had while flying home 930 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:23,470 from Washington DC with a delegation of scientists. 931 00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:24,170 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 932 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,150 NARRATOR: The pilots contacted ground control. 933 00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:09,050 Ground control did not detect anything on radar, 934 00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:10,740 even though the object could be seen 935 00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:14,310 by all occupants of the plane. 936 00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:15,110 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 937 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,570 MAN: Now we're going to meet the head of Special Intelligence 938 00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:56,970 section of the Center for Space Communication of Russia, 939 00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:58,920 Major General Vasily Alexeyev. 940 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,850 It's like CIA, but I don't know how to tell-- 941 00:47:02,850 --> 00:47:05,470 NARRATOR: Just outside Moscow is Star City. 942 00:47:05,470 --> 00:47:08,820 This is the home of the Russian Space Program. 943 00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:12,290 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 944 00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:23,640 NARRATOR: During the Space Race of the late 945 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,320 '50s and early '60s-- 946 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,670 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 947 00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:29,840 NARRATOR: --the Russians also experienced 948 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,140 numerous sightings of UFOs. 949 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,140 MAN (ON RADIO): [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 950 00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:47,760 NARRATOR: In Star City, we met with General Alexeyev, who 951 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,560 spoke with us about the history of unidentified flying 952 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,730 objects over Russia. 953 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,020 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 954 00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:28,880 NARRATOR: During the Cold War with the Soviet Union, 955 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,860 the U2 spy plane was one of the most 956 00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:33,100 highly classified projects. 957 00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,520 In the late '50s, Gordon Cooper was involved with its research 958 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:37,930 and development. 959 00:48:37,930 --> 00:48:41,060 Being familiar with that era's cutting edge technology, 960 00:48:41,060 --> 00:48:43,370 Cooper was certain that the craft he'd seen 961 00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:46,010 was not manufactured on this planet. 962 00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:50,370 I mean, we didn't have any vehicles of that kind. 963 00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:54,860 And I was 99.9% sure that the Russians didn't 964 00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:57,420 have any of that type either. 965 00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:58,180 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 966 00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:20,370 NARRATOR: By the '70s, the Russian military began to take 967 00:49:20,370 --> 00:49:22,760 the UFO subject very seriously. 968 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,990 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 969 00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:39,450 NARRATOR: At this point, the Soviet Union 970 00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:41,500 allocated a great sum of money towards 971 00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:44,940 a thorough investigation of the UFO phenomena. 972 00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:45,840 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 973 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,680 NARRATOR: After the fall of the Soviet Union, 974 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,020 glasnost brought about a new era of openness. 975 00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:14,650 We traveled to Mineral Water, a city near the Chechnyan border, 976 00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:17,220 where we met with Deputy Minister of the Interior 977 00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:19,690 Colonel Opravich. 978 00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:21,750 He shared with us a sighting he had 979 00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:24,560 while flying in a commercial jet over Russia. 980 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,270 He, along with 100 other passengers, 981 00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:30,450 noticed a spherical object outside the plane. 982 00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:31,260 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 983 00:50:59,630 --> 00:51:01,430 NARRATOR: This sighting led the colonel 984 00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:04,060 to do extensive research on UFO full incidents 985 00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:05,990 throughout Russia. 986 00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:06,690 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 987 00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:34,500 [MUSIC PLAYING] 988 00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:44,060 NARRATOR: 140 miles north of London is Bentwaters, England. 989 00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,750 In December of 1980, a United States Air Force Base 990 00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:50,240 armed with nuclear weapons was reportedly 991 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,460 the site of a series of UFO encounters 992 00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:54,070 over a three day period. 993 00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:14,200 NARRATOR: Responding to reports of a possible downed aircraft, 994 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,790 three patrolman were sent out to Rendlesham Forest 995 00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:19,230 to investigate. 996 00:52:19,230 --> 00:52:21,500 Airman First Class Edward Cabansag 997 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:24,220 was one of the security officers present. 998 00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:27,560 That night, we were on Security One, 999 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,840 which is in charge of mobile security 1000 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,690 for the Woodbridge base. 1001 00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:35,550 And we responded to Jim Burrough's 1002 00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:39,460 sighting of something out on the edge of the flight line. 1003 00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:41,320 Well, the controller on the radio 1004 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,150 broadcast over the air that go down 1005 00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:45,090 and check out a possible UFO. 1006 00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:47,410 NARRATOR: Another security officer present was Airman 1007 00:52:47,410 --> 00:52:50,010 First Class John Burroughs. 1008 00:52:50,010 --> 00:52:52,760 So it was like me-- it was Penniston and me, 1009 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,520 and then Cabansag to my right. 1010 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,690 It was apparent that it wasn't an aircraft crash. 1011 00:52:57,690 --> 00:52:58,990 We knew that much. 1012 00:52:58,990 --> 00:53:00,790 NARRATOR: Staff Sergeant Jim Penniston 1013 00:53:00,790 --> 00:53:03,500 was sent down to lead Burroughs and Cabansag 1014 00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:05,560 to investigate the object. 1015 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,990 There was a craft of some sort that was sitting 1016 00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:12,180 just inside the treeline. 1017 00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:14,730 NARRATOR: As the three officers approached the alleged crash 1018 00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:16,880 site, it became obvious that it wasn't what 1019 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,260 they were prepared for. 1020 00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:20,220 Burroughs would say to Jim Penniston, do you see that? 1021 00:53:20,220 --> 00:53:20,920 Do you see? 1022 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,980 Do you see what's out there at the edge of the trees? 1023 00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:26,310 It was this bright lights, you know? 1024 00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:28,700 And the only way you can describe it 1025 00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:30,360 is, I guess you'd call it an object. 1026 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,730 At that point in time, three of us 1027 00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:33,940 had direct observation of the craft. 1028 00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:37,550 The closer we would get to it, we would lose communication, 1029 00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:40,940 you know, with central security control. 1030 00:53:40,940 --> 00:53:42,980 NARRATOR: Cabansag was sent back towards the base 1031 00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:44,640 to help transmit radio communications 1032 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,830 between the other two officers, who 1033 00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:49,080 went further to investigate. 1034 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,450 The only noise we heard out in the woods 1035 00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:52,420 was the noise of the animals. 1036 00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:54,700 Just as Burroughs and I entered the treeline, 1037 00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,700 the shape of the craft was defined. 1038 00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:00,610 The closer we got, the more the white light dissipated. 1039 00:54:00,610 --> 00:54:04,130 But what appeared was a triangular craft. 1040 00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:07,290 When we approached it, it was-- oh, I 1041 00:54:07,290 --> 00:54:09,560 say it measured probably about nine 1042 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:15,040 feet long, maybe six feet high. 1043 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,700 A little higher-- maybe six and a half feet. 1044 00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,750 The lighting emanated from the fabric of the craft 1045 00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:22,310 and it would actually move around. 1046 00:54:22,310 --> 00:54:23,230 I mean, it would move. 1047 00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:25,290 You'd have different locations where 1048 00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:26,770 maybe a little blue lighting was going 1049 00:54:26,770 --> 00:54:29,750 into it, or maybe a little red. 1050 00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:31,610 And then there must've been some type 1051 00:54:31,610 --> 00:54:34,700 of lighting underneath of it, because it silhouetted 1052 00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:37,970 the aircraft itself. 1053 00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:40,670 What I did that night is I had my notebook with me. 1054 00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:44,020 I went around and started doing a 360 walk around the area, 1055 00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:46,490 taking and recording my observations. 1056 00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:48,740 I was looking underneath the craft like that. 1057 00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:51,930 I had taken quite detailed notes on that. 1058 00:54:51,930 --> 00:54:55,190 "Type of aircraft still unknown. 1059 00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:57,870 No apparent landing gear. 1060 00:54:57,870 --> 00:55:02,310 No sound, but appears to be pulsating somehow." 1061 00:55:02,310 --> 00:55:03,940 Yeah, it was pretty nerve-racking. 1062 00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:07,440 I mean, when there's something there right in front of you, 1063 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,730 you don't know what it is. 1064 00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:13,740 I would go ahead and feel the craft, which was warm. 1065 00:55:13,740 --> 00:55:17,160 There were static electricity in the air. 1066 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,560 "Very warm to touch. 1067 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,560 Identifying markings are on left front side." 1068 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,900 As I came around to the one side of the craft, 1069 00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:31,510 there was etching on the-- facing me just above the center 1070 00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:33,460 part of the craft itself. 1071 00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,290 Course, this is done all freehand as I 1072 00:55:35,290 --> 00:55:37,100 was walking around the craft. 1073 00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:40,300 But these symbols ran from left to right across. 1074 00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:43,270 And then underneath that line of symbols 1075 00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:48,100 was this, which is triangular, and some type of circle here, 1076 00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:51,330 some type of circle here, and a larger circle here. 1077 00:55:51,330 --> 00:55:54,460 And of course, all this was filled in with the, like, 1078 00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:56,410 the etching part of it. 1079 00:55:56,410 --> 00:55:58,020 Like you would etch glass. 1080 00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:00,640 So those symbols were raised and they 1081 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:06,040 had a different feel than the rest of fabric of the craft. 1082 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,970 Liftoff occurred at 2:45 with no sound, no air disturbance, and 1083 00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:13,500 no other identifying markings. 1084 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:15,430 Myself and, at that time, Burroughs, 1085 00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:20,570 we were a fairly good distance-- maybe 30 feet-- away from it. 1086 00:56:20,570 --> 00:56:23,770 And we had taken a defensive position 1087 00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:25,240 on that, on the ground. 1088 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:26,700 I mean, it was threatening to me, 1089 00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,450 but it wasn't the type that you were going to shoot on. 1090 00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:32,010 And also the fact was that what would happen 1091 00:56:32,010 --> 00:56:34,290 if I would have shot at him? 1092 00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:37,760 What good would it have done? 1093 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:43,570 And then it started moving back in between the trees, 1094 00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:48,290 with absolutely no sound, no air disturbance at all. 1095 00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:50,260 Whatever it was, went up and shot 1096 00:56:50,260 --> 00:56:52,500 back up out over the trees, just like it was there 1097 00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:54,060 and it was gone. 1098 00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:55,250 "Takeoff. 1099 00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:56,460 Unknown speed." 1100 00:56:56,460 --> 00:57:01,540 And I write, "Impossible." 1101 00:57:01,540 --> 00:57:02,820 NARRATOR: Details of this sighting 1102 00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:04,840 were first made public when this Air 1103 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,320 Force memo was obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. 1104 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,190 It states, "The object was described 1105 00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:14,510 as being triangular in shape, approximately two 1106 00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:17,440 to three meters across the base and approximately 1107 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,090 two meters high. 1108 00:57:19,090 --> 00:57:23,470 It had a red light on top and a bank of blue lights underneath. 1109 00:57:23,470 --> 00:57:25,240 As the patrolman approached the object, 1110 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,820 it maneuvered through the trees and disappeared." 1111 00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:30,870 This Air Force memo was written by Deputy 1112 00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:33,550 Base Commander Charles Halt. 1113 00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:35,610 General Gordon Williams, who was commander 1114 00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:39,520 of the base at the time, denies either seeing or authorizing 1115 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,360 the release of this memo. 1116 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,390 In a tape recording presented to General Williams, Airman 1117 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:47,860 Burroughs questions how a story of this magnitude 1118 00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:49,000 could escape his oversight, 1119 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,970 JOHN BURROUGHS (ON TAPE): How did Colonel Halt's memo go up 1120 00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:53,990 without you knowing about it and reviewing 1121 00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:55,360 it and allowing it to happen? 1122 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,730 Anything that left that base and then was 1123 00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:58,480 significant to have warned government 1124 00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,860 would have to be cleared by you. 1125 00:57:59,860 --> 00:58:00,930 MALE INTERVIEWER: You hear that? 1126 00:58:00,930 --> 00:58:01,910 Yeah, I did. 1127 00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:04,010 Let me answer that last part about that memo. 1128 00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:04,710 MALE INTERVIEWER: OK. 1129 00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:06,720 Yeah, I agree. 1130 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,960 That went under the door and I didn't see it. 1131 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:09,660 No. 1132 00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:11,420 Did he have a motivation in doing that? 1133 00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:13,560 Did he think that if he brought it in to me, 1134 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,350 I would have stepped on it? 1135 00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:17,770 I certainly would have looked at it very carefully, because it 1136 00:58:17,770 --> 00:58:20,290 had some things in there that I don't think 1137 00:58:20,290 --> 00:58:23,240 we were prepared to defend. 1138 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,420 NARRATOR: Lieutenant Colonel Halt 1139 00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:27,840 was most likely motivated to write this memo because he too 1140 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,920 was a witness to a second occurrence, 1141 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,670 as himself states at the bottom of the document-- 1142 00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:37,130 "Numerous individuals, including the undersigned, witnessed 1143 00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:41,990 the activities," signed Charles I Halt, Lieutenant Colonel, 1144 00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:45,220 United States Air Force. 1145 00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:47,940 He captured the encounter on his pocket tape recorder. 1146 00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:06,430 I believe that he went out there to debunk 1147 00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:09,210 the whole situation and I think he 1148 00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:14,900 got in the middle of a situation he couldn't explain either. 1149 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:19,760 He came toward us. 1150 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,140 It stopped overhead and sent out a beam. 1151 00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:24,230 Now, the beam wasn't like an ordinary beam 1152 00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:25,410 of light that radiates out. 1153 00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:28,020 It was a focused beam, like a laser beam, that illuminated 1154 00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:29,770 the ground in a small circle, probably 1155 00:59:29,770 --> 00:59:30,920 two foot or so in diameter. 1156 00:59:38,980 --> 00:59:41,450 When I gave the tape that I made to my superior, 1157 00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:44,110 he took and played it to 3rd Air Force, 1158 00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:46,650 to the commander and the staff, and they all 1159 00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:47,350 scratched their head. 1160 00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:49,210 And the answer finally was, it's a British affair. 1161 00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:49,910 Leave it with him. 1162 00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:51,320 Give it back to them. 1163 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,010 Hence I wrote the memo that has become public. 1164 00:59:54,010 --> 00:59:57,410 I think that Halt was definitely wrong in doing that. 1165 00:59:57,410 --> 01:00:01,600 Once that cat was out of the bag, 1166 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,280 you know, I couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again 1167 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,700 and it lived its own life. 1168 01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:10,240 NARRATOR: What did happen over a period 1169 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,160 of three days at Bentwaters? 1170 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,210 Did a UFO actually land at a US Air Base in England? 1171 01:00:16,210 --> 01:00:18,810 That is one explanation, that it actually happened 1172 01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:21,490 as Colonel Halt reported. 1173 01:00:21,490 --> 01:00:26,270 The other explanation is that it didn't. 1174 01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:31,170 And in that case, one is bound to assume that's Colonel Halt 1175 01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:34,460 and all his men were hallucinating. 1176 01:00:34,460 --> 01:00:36,530 NARRATOR: The British Ministry of Defense's position 1177 01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:38,680 is that nothing that took place at Bentwaters 1178 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,880 was of any defense interest. 1179 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,700 This view is criticized by former Chief of the Defense 1180 01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:46,860 Staff Admiral Lord Hill Norton. 1181 01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:52,780 That the colonel of an American Air Force Base in Suffolk 1182 01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:56,020 and his merry men are hallucinating when there 1183 01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:59,200 are nuclear-armed aircraft on the base 1184 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,260 must be of defense interest. 1185 01:01:01,260 --> 01:01:04,900 If indeed what he says took place, did take place-- 1186 01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:07,540 and why on earth should he make it up-- 1187 01:01:07,540 --> 01:01:13,080 then surely the entry of a vehicle from outer space, 1188 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,900 certainly not man-made, to a defense 1189 01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:20,700 base in this country also cannot fail to be of defense interest. 1190 01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:22,940 The public position at the Ministry of Defense 1191 01:01:22,940 --> 01:01:27,260 is that UFOs pose no threat to the defense of the realm. 1192 01:01:27,260 --> 01:01:29,500 Well, I quite understand such statements-- 1193 01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:31,600 and indeed, during my tour of duty, 1194 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,160 I probably wrote statements like that. 1195 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,910 NARRATOR: From 1992 to 1995, the British government 1196 01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:42,040 employed Nick Pope to investigate UFO reports. 1197 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,510 He now differs with their position. 1198 01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:46,200 While it's true to say that there's 1199 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,800 been no overt hostile action, it certainly 1200 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,890 seems to me premature to say that there 1201 01:01:52,890 --> 01:01:55,090 is nothing of any defense significance 1202 01:01:55,090 --> 01:01:57,760 when you don't know what they are. 1203 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,230 They claim that something from outside the Earth's atmosphere 1204 01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:05,000 landed at their Air Force base. 1205 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,960 They went and stood by it. 1206 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,980 They inspected it. 1207 01:02:07,980 --> 01:02:08,770 They photographed. 1208 01:02:08,770 --> 01:02:09,470 It. 1209 01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:12,160 The following day, they took tests on the ground 1210 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,370 where it had been and found radioactive traces. 1211 01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:37,580 When we went back out there in the area the next morning, 1212 01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:40,060 after we got off duty, and found areas where something was 1213 01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:42,020 damaged, that's when we were even more, like, what's 1214 01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:43,460 going on, you know? 1215 01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:48,630 I think it's fairly well known that Colonel Halt and his team 1216 01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:51,650 examined the landing site very carefully, 1217 01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:56,950 both the damage to the trees and the three indentations 1218 01:02:56,950 --> 01:03:00,060 found on the forest floor where this metallic craft 1219 01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:01,830 was seen to land. 1220 01:03:01,830 --> 01:03:04,910 Jim went back two days later and made plaster casts. 1221 01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:05,860 You can see the size. 1222 01:03:05,860 --> 01:03:07,410 It's approximately 8 to 10 inches 1223 01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:12,420 across and about three inches deep at the maximum point. 1224 01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:13,880 This is cast number two. 1225 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,830 He made an impression of all three of the indentations, 1226 01:03:16,830 --> 01:03:19,060 and they were all identical. 1227 01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:21,050 NARRATOR: The United States Air Force position 1228 01:03:21,050 --> 01:03:23,260 is that there was a sighting on the base 1229 01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:25,480 witnessed by both high-ranking officers 1230 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,740 and base security police. 1231 01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:30,570 However, according to the United States Air Force, 1232 01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:33,360 military personnel mistook a stationary lighthouse 1233 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,560 for a UFO. 1234 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,590 I was told to sign some paperwork stating 1235 01:03:40,590 --> 01:03:43,990 that what I saw out there was just 1236 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:47,790 the beacon that was out there and that there was 1237 01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:50,270 nothing out of the ordinary. 1238 01:03:50,270 --> 01:03:53,130 A 45-minute investigation on the ground 1239 01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:55,650 with a craft that you're touching and feeling 1240 01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:59,330 and observing and doing a walk around, 1241 01:03:59,330 --> 01:04:01,210 to be confused with lights in the sky 1242 01:04:01,210 --> 01:04:05,610 or a lighthouse or-- it's just totally absurd. 1243 01:04:05,610 --> 01:04:06,840 Lighthouses don't fly. 1244 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,560 They don't go up, they don't go back. 1245 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,340 I mean, you know? 1246 01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:12,910 And then you could say, well, if you were a half a mile away 1247 01:04:12,910 --> 01:04:14,040 and you thought something moved up 1248 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,320 and the beacon was still-- the fact is, we were right on top 1249 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,870 of whatever was right there, so there's no way that 1250 01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:20,330 was a lighthouse beacon. 1251 01:04:20,330 --> 01:04:25,180 Three competent Air Force guys saw it, 1252 01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:27,590 told not to ever talk about it. 1253 01:04:27,590 --> 01:04:30,140 NARRATOR: Georgina Bruni has been researching the Bentwaters 1254 01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:32,500 Incident for over five years. 1255 01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:34,660 Her book, "You Can't Tell the People," 1256 01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:37,350 is the definitive account of this case. 1257 01:04:37,350 --> 01:04:40,020 In May of 2001, she was one of the first 1258 01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:43,190 to receive a number of previously classified documents 1259 01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:46,870 from the Ministry of Defense about the Bentwaters Incident. 1260 01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:49,290 These documents are known as the Rendlesham Files. 1261 01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:52,380 In one of the first documents in the file, 1262 01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:58,070 we have now, in black and white, that General Gabriel, who 1263 01:04:58,070 --> 01:05:01,560 was the chief of the United States Air Force in Europe, 1264 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,240 was handed taped evidence. 1265 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,580 NARRATOR: Why would General Gabriel, 1266 01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:07,970 one of the most important members of the US military 1267 01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:11,130 in Europe, be handed evidence for the incident 1268 01:05:11,130 --> 01:05:14,060 unless it was of extreme significance? 1269 01:05:14,060 --> 01:05:16,170 You had the largest attack fighter wing in the United 1270 01:05:16,170 --> 01:05:17,880 States Air Force, OK? 1271 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,660 Through the British, they released documents 1272 01:05:19,660 --> 01:05:22,720 admitting that General Gabriel came down and took 1273 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,510 all the information, and it's proven 1274 01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:25,780 that this stuff disappeared. 1275 01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:27,440 Where did all the reports go? 1276 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,460 You know, we had got General Gabriel out there, 1277 01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:34,470 we had-- who was the top Air Force general in Europe, 1278 01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:36,270 there three days later. 1279 01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:37,990 Why was he there? 1280 01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:40,600 Well, he's there to manage what was going on. 1281 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,100 He was there for information control. 1282 01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:44,480 He was there to obtain evidence. 1283 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:49,180 He was there for all that stuff that they're denying happened. 1284 01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:51,550 The other significant factor is that this 1285 01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:53,470 is not ufologists talking here. 1286 01:05:53,470 --> 01:05:56,720 We have the Defense Intelligence staff carrying out 1287 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,670 their own investigation and admitting 1288 01:05:59,670 --> 01:06:03,970 that the radiation readings were 10 times higher than normal. 1289 01:06:03,970 --> 01:06:06,040 NARRATOR: One other document released in the Rendlesham 1290 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,190 Files is this defensive press line issued by the MOD 1291 01:06:10,190 --> 01:06:12,030 instructing the authorities how they 1292 01:06:12,030 --> 01:06:13,960 should respond to the media. 1293 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,220 It states that, "MOD was satisfied that there was 1294 01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:21,660 nothing of defense interest" and "there was no question of any 1295 01:06:21,660 --> 01:06:24,350 contact with 'alien beings.'" 1296 01:06:24,350 --> 01:06:27,850 We were told not to talk about it, so we didn't. 1297 01:06:27,850 --> 01:06:33,470 What we saw out there was definitely unidentifiable. 1298 01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:35,940 What I saw did not appear to be man-made it was way 1299 01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:38,010 beyond any technology we had at the time, 1300 01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:39,410 and probably even do today. 1301 01:06:39,410 --> 01:06:41,530 I could never identify what it was. 1302 01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:43,740 It's why I've always called it a UFO. 1303 01:06:43,740 --> 01:06:52,190 I can say without a doubt that we're probably not alone. 1304 01:06:59,190 --> 01:07:02,160 NARRATOR: In the southwest of England, just outside Somerset, 1305 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,280 there was another sighting. 1306 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,630 It was captured on videotape. 1307 01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:07,730 MAN 1 (ON TAPE): Got it. 1308 01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:09,330 Got it. 1309 01:07:09,330 --> 01:07:11,060 MAN 2 (ON TAPE): Yeah, I think it's coming this way. 1310 01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:11,890 Yeah. 1311 01:07:11,890 --> 01:07:13,090 MAN 1 (ON TAPE): Yeah, I can see it. 1312 01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:16,520 MAN 2 (ON TAPE): Is it? 1313 01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:22,170 It is. 1314 01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:23,960 MAN 1 (ON TAPE): That's amazing. 1315 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,800 The UFO that you saw originally was 1316 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,810 spotted approximately about 200 yards 1317 01:07:30,810 --> 01:07:33,060 to the left of the aerial mast. 1318 01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:37,690 And I suppose it was probably at about 500 feet up. 1319 01:07:37,690 --> 01:07:38,450 It was very low-- 1320 01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:39,250 MALE INTERVIEWER: Right. 1321 01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:40,390 DAVID KINGSTON: --in the sky. 1322 01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:41,720 MALE INTERVIEWER: And this is a radio communications tower? 1323 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,640 DAVID KINGSTON: This is our radio communications. 1324 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,180 They've got three military masts on there. 1325 01:07:47,180 --> 01:07:52,180 And it sends out-- one is a navigational signal, 1326 01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:54,280 which is used for aircraft. 1327 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,800 The other two aerials are near the top. 1328 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,810 We're not quite sure, but there is a pulsed frequency 1329 01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:01,450 that comes from them. 1330 01:08:08,770 --> 01:08:12,100 The actual UFO, from the time it was first 1331 01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:16,130 seen by Rod Dickinson, who did the filming, 1332 01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:18,290 it lasted approximately 12 minutes. 1333 01:08:18,290 --> 01:08:21,930 So it was quite a long period of time for a daylight 1334 01:08:21,930 --> 01:08:24,550 sighting to occur. 1335 01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:27,280 NARRATOR: We took this tape to be analyzed by Lucasfilms' 1336 01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,280 special effects division, Industrial Light & Magic 1337 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,080 in San Rafael, California. 1338 01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,000 Here we met with Bill George, an Academy Award winning 1339 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,970 visual effects supervisor. 1340 01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:40,290 Over the last 20 years, his special effects 1341 01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:42,120 have been featured in films like "Star 1342 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,180 Wars-- The Phantom Menace." 1343 01:08:44,180 --> 01:08:46,590 The optical zoom certainly would-- 1344 01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:47,790 NARRATOR: He analyzed this footage 1345 01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:49,530 to determine its authenticity. 1346 01:08:49,530 --> 01:08:50,920 BILL GEORGE: But there are several things 1347 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,150 that I see when the footage is running 1348 01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:55,060 that tells me that this was actually 1349 01:08:55,060 --> 01:08:56,580 there when this was filmed. 1350 01:08:56,580 --> 01:08:59,280 First of all, it's the shake, the shake. 1351 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,490 If you were to give me a background plate of just 1352 01:09:01,490 --> 01:09:04,080 this sky and say, we want you to take this image of a flying 1353 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,090 saucer and match it in, that something that's technically 1354 01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:08,790 very difficult to do because you have 1355 01:09:08,790 --> 01:09:10,770 to match-- putting the two elements together, 1356 01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:12,900 you have to match the shake. 1357 01:09:12,900 --> 01:09:15,400 Now, certainly, we have computers that can track that, 1358 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,500 but this is just-- this is all over the map. 1359 01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,670 A couple other cues that tell me that this is actually there 1360 01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:23,190 when it was being filmed was that is going in and out 1361 01:09:23,190 --> 01:09:26,890 of focus with the background because the camera is 1362 01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:28,720 trying to compensate and trying to focus. 1363 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,470 It probably has some sort of autofocus. 1364 01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:32,070 So the background is going in and out 1365 01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:34,990 of focus along with the object. 1366 01:09:34,990 --> 01:09:37,350 There are these dark things flying through frame, 1367 01:09:37,350 --> 01:09:39,040 and if someone was to have to put that in there, 1368 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,430 they would have to composite it in behind the birds. 1369 01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:43,200 It would be a technical problem. 1370 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,820 NARRATOR: Bill George couldn't say it was a real UFO, 1371 01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:48,160 but he could confirm for us that the object 1372 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,810 was not added in later. 1373 01:09:49,810 --> 01:09:51,810 Given those clues, I'm convinced 1374 01:09:51,810 --> 01:09:56,790 that this object was there when this person was taping. 1375 01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:59,050 NARRATOR: In 1968, the UFO subject 1376 01:09:59,050 --> 01:10:02,560 was being debated at the highest levels of government. 1377 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,630 The debate was triggered by a major sighting 1378 01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:05,990 over the state of Michigan. 1379 01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:07,520 [BEEPING] 1380 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,810 And I could see the lights on either side. 1381 01:10:09,810 --> 01:10:11,470 And then the red light was sort of casting 1382 01:10:11,470 --> 01:10:15,490 a glow over the whole thing, so it looked like a round disc. 1383 01:10:15,490 --> 01:10:16,730 When it got to the top of the trees, 1384 01:10:16,730 --> 01:10:20,750 it stopped, and a blue and a white light come on it. 1385 01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:21,450 Good evening. 1386 01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:24,700 NARRATOR: Walter Cronkite reported the incident on CBS. 1387 01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:26,730 WALTER CRONKITE: Residents of the area saw it. 1388 01:10:26,730 --> 01:10:28,280 The police saw it. 1389 01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,430 Sergeant Newell Schneider of the Sheriff's office 1390 01:10:30,430 --> 01:10:32,750 remembered it well enough to draw it. 1391 01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:34,130 MALE REPORTER: What do you think it was? 1392 01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:35,930 NEWELL SCHNEIDER: Oh, if they call it a flying saucer, 1393 01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:37,410 that's what it is. 1394 01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:38,890 The Air Force sent its consultant, 1395 01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:43,440 Allen Hynek in to review what had been going on. 1396 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:48,900 And Hynek, after about one or two days in the field, 1397 01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:50,480 had to face a big press conference. 1398 01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:52,860 He said, well, I don't know what was going on. 1399 01:10:52,860 --> 01:10:56,050 It may have been marsh gas. 1400 01:10:56,050 --> 01:10:58,490 A little bit of swamp light appears here. 1401 01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:59,190 It goes out. 1402 01:10:59,190 --> 01:11:00,480 Another one appears over here. 1403 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:01,530 That goes out then. 1404 01:11:01,530 --> 01:11:03,990 But the illusion as viewed from a distance 1405 01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:06,610 is that the objects have moved back and forth. 1406 01:11:06,610 --> 01:11:09,430 The public was absolutely furious 1407 01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:11,650 and the press kind of made fun of it. 1408 01:11:11,650 --> 01:11:18,100 And Congressman Ford of Michigan thought he would take action, 1409 01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:21,360 and he calls for public hearings by the Armed 1410 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,480 Services Committee. 1411 01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:25,390 This matter should be brought-- 1412 01:11:25,390 --> 01:11:27,690 NARRATOR: In an exclusive telephone interview, 1413 01:11:27,690 --> 01:11:31,080 the late President Gerald Ford confirmed his involvement 1414 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:31,780 in the investigation. 1415 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,700 NARRATOR: Congress heard testimony 1416 01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:48,530 from a number of witnesses. 1417 01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:51,020 Former Marine Corps Major Donald Keyhoe 1418 01:11:51,020 --> 01:11:54,680 asserted that there was far more to UFOs that swamp gas. 1419 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,060 In fact, the Air Force at one time 1420 01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:57,940 had a top secret estimate that these things 1421 01:11:57,940 --> 01:12:00,570 were interplanetary spaceships. 1422 01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:03,020 Today, we have over 10,000 cases 1423 01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:07,430 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, of which 646 of these 1424 01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:09,020 remain unidentified. 1425 01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:12,010 The Air Force has been accused from time to time of hiding 1426 01:12:12,010 --> 01:12:13,620 information about UFO. 1427 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,550 What do you have to say to that, Colonel Tacker? 1428 01:12:15,550 --> 01:12:18,310 Well, these charges are absolutely untrue. 1429 01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:19,940 NARRATOR: The Air Force continued to maintain 1430 01:12:19,940 --> 01:12:21,620 that it was hiding nothing. 1431 01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:24,050 And we've always honored the accredited media 1432 01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:27,720 when they want to investigate a given specific sighting. 1433 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:28,850 TV HOST: There is nothing to hide? 1434 01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:31,150 There is nothing to hide at all. 1435 01:12:31,150 --> 01:12:34,930 Now, this is not an attack on the Air Force spokesman 1436 01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:36,600 or the project spokesman. 1437 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,770 They are simply following orders to explain away all UFO 1438 01:12:41,770 --> 01:12:45,680 sightings as quickly as possible when they become public 1439 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,160 and deny that UFOs really exist. 1440 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,320 So it was pressure from Congress 1441 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:57,620 that led to the study that ended up not being an open study that 1442 01:12:57,620 --> 01:12:58,970 was a few days long. 1443 01:12:58,970 --> 01:13:01,940 It ended up by being a project given to a university that 1444 01:13:01,940 --> 01:13:04,890 lasted 18 months. 1445 01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:06,060 NARRATOR: In an effort to maintain 1446 01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:08,230 a neutral investigation, it was assigned 1447 01:13:08,230 --> 01:13:09,440 to the University of Colorado. 1448 01:13:12,150 --> 01:13:15,610 The university gathered a team of 11 eminent scientists. 1449 01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:18,470 They were to analyze and make public their conclusions of 1450 01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:20,230 the most compelling UFO cases. 1451 01:13:23,530 --> 01:13:26,730 As reported in a 1968 feature article published 1452 01:13:26,730 --> 01:13:29,320 by "Look" magazine, the university study 1453 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,390 was doomed from the beginning. 1454 01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:34,840 The project leader, Dr. Edward Condon, 1455 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,780 appeared to be biased from the start. 1456 01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:42,270 In February of 1967, he stated, "My attitude right now 1457 01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:45,350 is that there's nothing to it." 1458 01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:47,120 He added, "But I'm not supposed to reach 1459 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,120 a conclusion for another year." 1460 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,150 The "Look" article goes on to describe how two scientists 1461 01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:56,780 were fired over a leaked memo written by one 1462 01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:59,240 of the project's managers. 1463 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,230 This memo dictated what the project's 1464 01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:06,450 conclusions were to be before the project even started. 1465 01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:09,180 The leaked memo read, "The trick would be, 1466 01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:12,030 I think, to describe the project so that, to the public, 1467 01:14:12,030 --> 01:14:14,640 it would appear a totally objective study 1468 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,470 but, to the scientific community, 1469 01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:19,060 would present the image of a group of non-believers 1470 01:14:19,060 --> 01:14:21,030 trying their best to be objective, 1471 01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:23,450 but having an almost zero expectation 1472 01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:28,770 of finding a saucer." 1473 01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:32,390 When Representative J Edward Roush read the leaked memo 1474 01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:35,650 and all the controversy published by "Look" magazine, 1475 01:14:35,650 --> 01:14:38,510 he urged Congress to take over the investigation 1476 01:14:38,510 --> 01:14:43,400 because he challenged the objectivity of the study. 1477 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,730 His plea was ignored. 1478 01:14:46,730 --> 01:14:48,810 Left unchecked, the project chairman 1479 01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:51,890 announced the conclusions to the anxiously waiting press. 1480 01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:56,900 Dr. Condon stated that "nothing has 1481 01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:58,890 come from the study of UFOs that has 1482 01:14:58,890 --> 01:15:02,950 added to scientific knowledge." 1483 01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:07,270 It is not a fair and accurate summary 1484 01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:11,100 of the body of the report, which a summary should be. 1485 01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:13,770 NARRATOR: Three decades later, Dr. Peter Sturrock 1486 01:15:13,770 --> 01:15:16,560 an astrophysicist from Stanford University, 1487 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,160 takes a close look at some of the case studies never 1488 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,480 mentioned in Condon's summary. 1489 01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:24,560 The Condon Report is really a complex document. 1490 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,520 If you're looking for what they thought were wild goose chases, 1491 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,030 you'll find those. 1492 01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:30,600 If you're looking to see whether there 1493 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,990 any intriguing cases that were really challenges to the staff, 1494 01:15:34,990 --> 01:15:36,220 you'll find them. 1495 01:15:36,220 --> 01:15:38,900 And if you want to see whether the staff thought anything 1496 01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:41,310 was what they called, quote, "a real UFO," 1497 01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:43,110 you'll find that too. 1498 01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:45,720 There are two regular visual cases analyzed 1499 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,010 by McDonald and Thayer. 1500 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,780 NARRATOR: Another case summary was that-- 1501 01:16:14,620 --> 01:16:17,380 PETER STURROCK: And there are two photographic cases 1502 01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:20,810 analyzed by William Hartmann who he thought were possible UFOs. 1503 01:16:43,820 --> 01:16:45,120 PETER STURROCK: But they do not feature 1504 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,850 at all in Condon's summary. 1505 01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:49,510 The part that most people read, the part 1506 01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:52,950 that the press referred to, were the few pages 1507 01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:56,980 of recommendations and about one chapter, 1508 01:16:56,980 --> 01:16:59,310 a short chapter of summary, that were 1509 01:16:59,310 --> 01:17:02,350 written entirely by Condon. 1510 01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:03,730 NARRATOR: While the panel of scientists 1511 01:17:03,730 --> 01:17:06,550 conducted an objective investigation as requested 1512 01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:08,990 by Congress, the project leader appeared 1513 01:17:08,990 --> 01:17:11,600 to have ignored the data and asserted that there was 1514 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,060 nothing to the UFO phenomena. 1515 01:17:16,350 --> 01:17:19,730 On December 18, 1969, the New York Times 1516 01:17:19,730 --> 01:17:23,610 quoted Dr. Condon saying it "was a bunch of damned nonsense," 1517 01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:25,690 and that he was sorry that he "ever got involved 1518 01:17:25,690 --> 01:17:29,010 with such foolishness." 1519 01:17:29,010 --> 01:17:32,800 Condon's 30-year-old conclusions are still being used today 1520 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,260 as a benchmark to prevent further official 1521 01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:36,320 scientific investigation. 1522 01:17:40,650 --> 01:17:43,230 One of the problems with so-called UFO 1523 01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:46,360 research by debunkers is they ask the wrong question. 1524 01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,490 Their question is, what are UFOs? 1525 01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:51,770 Really what they're saying is, are all UFOs alien spacecraft? 1526 01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:53,600 And the answer, of course, is no. 1527 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,380 The proper question is, are any? 1528 01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:59,850 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1529 01:18:19,190 --> 01:18:22,670 MAN 1 (ON TAPE): [SPEAKING PORTUGUESE] 1530 01:18:22,670 --> 01:18:24,150 WOMAN (ON TAPE): [SPEAKING PORTUGUESE] 1531 01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:27,630 MAN 1 (ON TAPE): [SPEAKING PORTUGUESE] 1532 01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:30,110 MAN 2 (ON TAPE): [SPEAKING PORTUGUESE] 1533 01:18:52,030 --> 01:18:54,300 It was, you know-- it was shaped like a saucer. 1534 01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:56,680 I hate to use those trite terms, but that's 1535 01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:57,890 what it was shaped like. 1536 01:18:57,890 --> 01:19:00,840 I looked up and all of a sudden there was this, 1537 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,640 you know-- gotta say it, flying saucer, 1538 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,020 you know, kind of looking like it was 1539 01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:10,100 not particularly far above us. 1540 01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:12,970 If you look at tree limb, it seems to me 1541 01:19:12,970 --> 01:19:16,660 that when it floated across the road, it was to just about 1542 01:19:16,660 --> 01:19:17,640 that far away. 1543 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,950 You saw that it was actually moving, 1544 01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:20,600 but the fact was it just went-- zoom! 1545 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,140 And it was just gone. 1546 01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:25,860 Nothing we had at the time could 1547 01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:29,200 fit the description, size, shape, 1548 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,920 or performance of this craft. 1549 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,910 MAN (ON TAPE): [SPEAKING SPANISH] 1550 01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:45,730 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1551 01:20:02,490 --> 01:20:04,390 NARRATOR: It appears that many people in power 1552 01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:08,230 are being kept out of the loop regarding the UFO phenomenon. 1553 01:20:08,230 --> 01:20:10,450 At the same time, covert operations 1554 01:20:10,450 --> 01:20:13,400 being conducted by the military-industrial complex 1555 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,920 seemed to have escaped government supervision. 1556 01:20:19,150 --> 01:20:21,070 In the councils of government, we 1557 01:20:21,070 --> 01:20:23,390 must guard against the acquisition 1558 01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:27,080 of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, 1559 01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,450 by the military-industrial complex. 1560 01:20:30,450 --> 01:20:32,240 NARRATOR: In his farewell address to the nation, 1561 01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,370 President Eisenhower cautioned the public 1562 01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:36,970 about the relationship between the US military 1563 01:20:36,970 --> 01:20:39,920 and the industrial sector which supplies the military 1564 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,190 with weaponry and equipment. 1565 01:20:42,190 --> 01:20:44,750 Eisenhower felt that if gone unchecked, 1566 01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:48,870 the military-industrial complex would become too powerful. 1567 01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:51,010 The potential for the disastrous rise 1568 01:20:51,010 --> 01:20:55,410 of misplaced power exists and will persist. 1569 01:20:55,410 --> 01:20:57,920 We must never let the weight of this combination 1570 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,660 endanger our liberties or democratic processes. 1571 01:21:01,660 --> 01:21:05,130 Well, I think he was telling us the military-industrial complex 1572 01:21:05,130 --> 01:21:10,470 will stick you in the back if you are not totally vigilant. 1573 01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:13,540 And I think he felt like he had not be vigilant. 1574 01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:16,660 I think he felt like he trusted too many people. 1575 01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:18,230 NARRATOR: Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin 1576 01:21:18,230 --> 01:21:20,770 served under President Eisenhower in the White 1577 01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:24,460 House Army Signaling Agency. 1578 01:21:24,460 --> 01:21:26,760 He recalls Eisenhower's concern with the 1579 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,250 military-industrial complex. 1580 01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:32,880 He realized that he was losing control. 1581 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:37,550 He realized that this, this-- the phenomenon of whatever 1582 01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:41,890 it was that we were faced with was not 1583 01:21:41,890 --> 01:21:43,080 going to be in the best hands. 1584 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,400 And that, that-- those were the-- as far as I can remember, 1585 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,730 that was the expression that was used-- 1586 01:21:49,730 --> 01:21:57,080 "It's not going to be in the best hands." 1587 01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,690 NARRATOR: Almost as great as the mystery surrounding the origin 1588 01:21:59,690 --> 01:22:03,540 of UFOs is the wall of denial encountered even by the most 1589 01:22:03,540 --> 01:22:05,210 powerful citizens in the land. 1590 01:22:08,890 --> 01:22:11,600 In October of 1969, President Jimmy 1591 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,660 Carter, who was then governor of Georgia, had a UFO sighting. 1592 01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:18,200 He filed a report with the National Investigations 1593 01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,230 Committee on Aerial Phenomena. 1594 01:22:21,230 --> 01:22:23,140 In the report, he described a sharply 1595 01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:26,500 outlined, self-luminous object about the size of the moon. 1596 01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:33,930 It maneuvered silently in front of 10 witnesses. 1597 01:22:33,930 --> 01:22:36,330 At a recent book tour, we asked President Jimmy 1598 01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:38,630 Carter about his sighting. 1599 01:22:38,630 --> 01:22:39,680 What happened to-- 1600 01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,100 MALE INTERVIEWER: The UFOs. 1601 01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:43,560 I don't really know what happened to it. 1602 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,180 I saw one, but I don't know where-- it just disappeared. 1603 01:22:46,180 --> 01:22:47,670 MALE REPORTER: Well, this is a first. 1604 01:22:47,670 --> 01:22:48,670 A president and-- 1605 01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:50,820 NARRATOR: During Jimmy Carter's presidential campaign, 1606 01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:55,710 he promised to make public what the government knew about UFOs. 1607 01:22:55,710 --> 01:22:58,370 In an effort to fulfill this promise, President Carter's 1608 01:22:58,370 --> 01:23:01,400 scientific adviser Frank Press wrote a letter 1609 01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,010 requesting that NASA lead the investigations 1610 01:23:04,010 --> 01:23:05,440 into the UFO phenomena. 1611 01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:11,980 When news of this pending investigation 1612 01:23:11,980 --> 01:23:16,210 reached Air Force Colonel Charles Senn, he wrote NASA. 1613 01:23:16,210 --> 01:23:18,610 In closing, he stated, "I sincerely 1614 01:23:18,610 --> 01:23:21,300 hope you are successful in preventing a reopening 1615 01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:25,780 of UFO investigations." 1616 01:23:25,780 --> 01:23:29,510 Whatever activity is going on, to the extent that it is 1617 01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:32,820 a clandestine group, a quasi-government group, 1618 01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:39,780 a quasi-private group, it is without any type, 1619 01:23:39,780 --> 01:23:44,490 as far as I can tell, of high level government oversight. 1620 01:23:44,490 --> 01:23:46,790 And that is a great concern. 1621 01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:49,740 NARRATOR: In December of 1977, NASA officially 1622 01:23:49,740 --> 01:23:52,080 declined President Carter's request, 1623 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,290 proposing that it "take no steps to establish a research 1624 01:23:55,290 --> 01:24:00,330 activity in this area." 1625 01:24:00,330 --> 01:24:02,160 MALE INTERVIEWER: Did you ask when you were president-- 1626 01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:10,920 [BEEPING] 1627 01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,990 MALE BROADCASTER (ON RADIO): The American Broadcasting Company 1628 01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:14,680 and affiliated stations present "Headline 1629 01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,340 Edition" with Taylor Grant. 1630 01:24:16,340 --> 01:24:18,220 TAYLOR GRANT (ON RADIO): The 509th Atomic Bomb Group 1631 01:24:18,220 --> 01:24:21,420 headquarters at Roswell, New Mexico reports that it has 1632 01:24:21,420 --> 01:24:24,120 received one of the discs, which landed on a ranch 1633 01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,490 outside Roswell. 1634 01:24:25,490 --> 01:24:27,800 Colonel William Blanchard of the Roswell air base 1635 01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,610 refuses to give details of what the flying disc looks like. 1636 01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:33,870 NARRATOR: New Mexico congressman Steven Schiff 1637 01:24:33,870 --> 01:24:36,930 was pressed by his constituents into making inquiries 1638 01:24:36,930 --> 01:24:38,960 regarding the Roswell Incident. 1639 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,870 I think a number of people getting their information 1640 01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:45,260 from news stories-- not in all cases, but in many cases-- 1641 01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:47,840 are not getting all of the information. 1642 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,980 NARRATOR: In a 1997 radio interview, 1643 01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:52,580 he recalls what happened when he made inquiries 1644 01:24:52,580 --> 01:24:53,760 with the Department of Defense. 1645 01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:14,320 NARRATOR: After a second attempt with the Department of Defense, 1646 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,160 Congressman Schiff was again referred 1647 01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,210 to the National Archives. 1648 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,690 NARRATOR: Evidently, former director of the FBI J Edgar 1649 01:25:53,690 --> 01:25:56,710 Hoover was also denied access, as he stated 1650 01:25:56,710 --> 01:26:00,750 in his own handwriting in July of 1947-- 1651 01:26:00,750 --> 01:26:04,800 "We must insist upon full access to discs recovered." 1652 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,790 Hoover continued, "The Army grabbed 1653 01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:08,340 it and wouldn't let the Bureau have 1654 01:26:08,340 --> 01:26:10,550 it for cursory examination." 1655 01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:13,840 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1656 01:26:16,670 --> 01:26:18,950 We will stand against the forces of-- 1657 01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:20,680 NARRATOR: A more recent inquiry was apparently 1658 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,590 made by President Bill Clinton. 1659 01:26:22,590 --> 01:26:25,410 Let us stand up and talk against it. 1660 01:26:25,410 --> 01:26:27,180 NARRATOR: He asked Associate Attorney General 1661 01:26:27,180 --> 01:26:30,650 Webster Hubbell to investigate. 1662 01:26:30,650 --> 01:26:34,640 Webb Hubbell and Bill Clinton were old friends. 1663 01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,970 In his book, "Friends in High Places," 1664 01:26:36,970 --> 01:26:39,620 Hubbell recalls a special favor that President Clinton 1665 01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:41,610 made after he first came into office. 1666 01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,280 "'Webb,' he said, 'if I put you over at Justice, 1667 01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:49,830 I want you to find out the answers 1668 01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:51,180 to two questions for me. 1669 01:26:51,180 --> 01:26:53,090 One, who killed JFK? 1670 01:26:53,090 --> 01:26:57,220 And two, are there UFOs?' He was dead serious." 1671 01:26:57,220 --> 01:26:59,940 Hubbell had looked into both, but wasn't satisfied 1672 01:26:59,940 --> 01:27:03,530 with the answers he was getting. 1673 01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:06,940 When we asked Mr. Hubbell about this incident, he replied-- 1674 01:27:21,740 --> 01:27:23,770 NARRATOR: We contacted President Bill Clinton 1675 01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:25,540 and received this letter. 1676 01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:28,820 It is a response from NASA stating that "No government 1677 01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:33,120 agency is currently responsible for investigating UFOs 1678 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,050 because there is no factual evidence 1679 01:27:35,050 --> 01:27:38,040 that alien life exists on other planets 1680 01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:42,270 or that UFOs are related to aliens." 1681 01:27:42,270 --> 01:27:43,700 See, this is what you'd be up against. 1682 01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:44,800 Who are you gonna see? 1683 01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,400 The moment you go see somebody, they'll say, 1684 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:47,130 oh, we can't tell you. 1685 01:27:47,130 --> 01:27:47,870 It's top secret. 1686 01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:49,380 What are you gonna do? 1687 01:27:49,380 --> 01:27:51,190 You have to walk out. 1688 01:27:51,190 --> 01:27:53,480 So you see how the government operates? 1689 01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:55,980 How they can-- you say you should go there and ask them. 1690 01:27:55,980 --> 01:27:58,040 Who you gonna go to? 1691 01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,710 Even with the experience I had being 1692 01:27:59,710 --> 01:28:01,660 on the top of the government all the years, 1693 01:28:01,660 --> 01:28:05,600 I couldn't tell you who to go see. 1694 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,920 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1695 01:28:11,770 --> 01:28:13,790 NARRATOR: Paris, 1999. 1696 01:28:13,790 --> 01:28:18,240 The most important UFO study in recent decades is made public. 1697 01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,850 This was presented to the President and Prime Minister 1698 01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:24,270 of France, urging diplomatic action with the US 1699 01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:26,770 through the European Union. 1700 01:28:26,770 --> 01:28:28,660 The report was compiled by the COMETA 1701 01:28:28,660 --> 01:28:32,230 group, which investigated over 500 UFO cases 1702 01:28:32,230 --> 01:28:33,820 from around the world. 1703 01:28:33,820 --> 01:28:36,760 This report, which came from a high level 1704 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,590 group of French military officers primarily, 1705 01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:44,750 as well as some scientists, is the most strongly worded, 1706 01:28:44,750 --> 01:28:48,380 pro-UFO document ever written in any language 1707 01:28:48,380 --> 01:28:53,230 that has been made public by a group of this stature. 1708 01:28:53,230 --> 01:28:54,400 NARRATOR: The COMETA group consists 1709 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,630 of generals and admirals of the French military as well 1710 01:28:57,630 --> 01:29:00,810 as top-level scientists, such as-- Andre Lebeau, 1711 01:29:00,810 --> 01:29:05,100 director of CNES, the French equivalent of NASA; 1712 01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:08,500 General Bernard Norlain, former Commander French Tactical Air 1713 01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:12,490 Force; and Jean-Claude Ribes, the former director 1714 01:29:12,490 --> 01:29:14,780 of the Observatory at Lyon, France. 1715 01:29:14,780 --> 01:29:18,190 The title of the report is "UFOs and Defense-- 1716 01:29:18,190 --> 01:29:20,750 What Must We Prepare For?" 1717 01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:24,740 Now, it's 92 pages of text after that title. 1718 01:29:24,740 --> 01:29:26,210 NARRATOR: The COMETA group received 1719 01:29:26,210 --> 01:29:29,490 data collected by numerous scientific agencies. 1720 01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:31,780 Much of its content was based on reports 1721 01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:34,270 from military and civilian pilots. 1722 01:29:34,270 --> 01:29:37,780 This official document was an internal military investigation 1723 01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:42,530 that was never intended for the general public. 1724 01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:44,940 The report also contains a selection of photographs. 1725 01:29:47,950 --> 01:29:50,760 These photos were subjected to scientific analysis 1726 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,390 in an effort to determine authenticity. 1727 01:29:53,390 --> 01:29:56,790 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1728 01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:09,820 COMETA also examined physical evidence, 1729 01:30:09,820 --> 01:30:12,220 such as plant and soil samples taken 1730 01:30:12,220 --> 01:30:15,010 from alleged landing sites. 1731 01:30:15,010 --> 01:30:18,470 One such case occurred on January 8, 1981 1732 01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:21,010 in Southern France. 1733 01:30:21,010 --> 01:30:24,790 There was only a single witness to that event. 1734 01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:29,260 He was working in his small farm. 1735 01:30:29,260 --> 01:30:32,520 Late one afternoon, he heard a whistling sound. 1736 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,430 NARRATOR: He looked up and just above the trees 1737 01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:36,250 was this strange craft. 1738 01:30:36,250 --> 01:30:41,680 It descended and landed 30 feet away in his garden. 1739 01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:42,840 [SPEAKING FRENCH] 1740 01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:49,790 He told his wife about it in the evening 1741 01:30:49,790 --> 01:30:51,690 and she thought that he was joking. 1742 01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:53,560 [SPEAKING FRENCH] 1743 01:30:54,450 --> 01:30:55,950 PETER STURROCK: They went back in the morning 1744 01:30:55,950 --> 01:30:59,360 to look at the area and they found traces on the ground. 1745 01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:00,180 [SPEAKING FRENCH] 1746 01:31:09,410 --> 01:31:12,820 The scientists came out in a week or two 1747 01:31:12,820 --> 01:31:17,220 and they took further samples of soils. 1748 01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:20,290 They also took samples of plants, 1749 01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:22,950 and the analysis of the soil and plants were very interesting. 1750 01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:25,270 They were carried out quite professionally. 1751 01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:29,430 And there was evidence of compression of the soil 1752 01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:31,740 and there was a clear evidence of damage 1753 01:31:31,740 --> 01:31:34,330 to the plants, the kind of injury that 1754 01:31:34,330 --> 01:31:37,070 could happen because of heating-- due 1755 01:31:37,070 --> 01:31:39,130 to microwaves, for instance. 1756 01:31:39,130 --> 01:31:41,440 So there was good physical evidence in that case. 1757 01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:43,370 And moreover, there were two kinds 1758 01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:46,270 of physical evidence-- injury, damage to the soil 1759 01:31:46,270 --> 01:31:48,310 and damage to plants. 1760 01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:49,710 NARRATOR: Despite the physical evidence, 1761 01:31:49,710 --> 01:31:52,110 the small town of Trans-en-Provence 1762 01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:55,100 labeled the farmer as a flying saucer fanatic. 1763 01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:56,140 [SPEAKING FRENCH] 1764 01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:07,610 NARRATOR: A number of cases analyzed by the COMETA group 1765 01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:10,820 came from military pilots involved in UFO incidents. 1766 01:32:14,130 --> 01:32:18,060 One of the most dramatic cases occurred in September of 1976, 1767 01:32:18,060 --> 01:32:21,100 when a Phantom F-4 jet flown by a pilot 1768 01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:23,510 from the Iranian Royal Air Force attempted 1769 01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:25,320 to fire a missile at a UFO. 1770 01:32:28,060 --> 01:32:31,860 In the same instant, the pilot's fire control console and radio 1771 01:32:31,860 --> 01:32:32,560 went dead. 1772 01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:39,530 At this point, a smaller craft emerged from the main UFO 1773 01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:41,410 and circled around the jet. 1774 01:32:44,410 --> 01:32:47,020 The pilot then took evasive action and power 1775 01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:48,810 to his controls returned. 1776 01:32:48,810 --> 01:32:49,870 He escaped unharmed. 1777 01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:57,830 In this report, they say, in effect, UFOs are real. 1778 01:33:02,460 --> 01:33:05,410 Ergo, the extraterrestrial hypothesis may, 1779 01:33:05,410 --> 01:33:08,300 in some cases, be the best or only real 1780 01:33:08,300 --> 01:33:10,880 answer and cannot be ignored. 1781 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,040 They are technological. 1782 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,840 They do things that we probably can't do. 1783 01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:28,380 And, all that being said, this obviously 1784 01:33:28,380 --> 01:33:34,380 constitutes a major concern for global defense and security. 1785 01:33:34,380 --> 01:33:35,710 NARRATOR: When the report was completed, 1786 01:33:35,710 --> 01:33:38,930 it was given to a number of leading French journalists. 1787 01:33:38,930 --> 01:33:43,040 One of these was Bernard Thouanel, the editor of "VSD." 1788 01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,960 "VSD" is a French weekly magazine, like "Time Life." 1789 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,450 We are a general press publication. 1790 01:33:50,450 --> 01:33:53,690 It's not specialized in UFO sightings at all. 1791 01:33:53,690 --> 01:33:55,480 NARRATOR: The COMETA group allowed "VSD" 1792 01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:57,400 to publish the report, provided it 1793 01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,560 was not manipulated in any way. 1794 01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,270 If the public was aware of the COMETA Report, 1795 01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:05,380 then the COMETA Report was not going 1796 01:34:05,380 --> 01:34:08,280 to disappear in any kind of official 1797 01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:12,160 or semi-official dark hole, so to speak. 1798 01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,620 Then the COMETA Report became a public fact, 1799 01:34:15,620 --> 01:34:19,230 and it remains a public fact. 1800 01:34:19,230 --> 01:34:21,360 NARRATOR: To date, the report has not been officially 1801 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,740 published outside of France, and so far, 1802 01:34:24,740 --> 01:34:27,990 only one article published in the "Boston Globe" 1803 01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:29,850 has appeared in the US press. 1804 01:34:29,850 --> 01:34:30,980 LESLIE KEAN: I applied a very high 1805 01:34:30,980 --> 01:34:34,710 standard to the story because of its controversial nature. 1806 01:34:34,710 --> 01:34:36,930 I was basically retelling what the generals 1807 01:34:36,930 --> 01:34:38,900 and the other people had concluded in their report. 1808 01:34:38,900 --> 01:34:40,380 I looked at government documents that 1809 01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:43,170 dealt with the issue of national security and UFOs, 1810 01:34:43,170 --> 01:34:46,750 which was what the generals were dealing with in France. 1811 01:34:46,750 --> 01:34:48,000 NARRATOR: Despite her thoroughness, 1812 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,400 Leslie Kean encountered much resistance 1813 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,290 in getting the story published. 1814 01:34:52,290 --> 01:34:54,020 LESLIE KEAN: I went to many papers, many of whom 1815 01:34:54,020 --> 01:34:55,290 I'd published with in the past. 1816 01:34:55,290 --> 01:34:56,930 People laughed, hung up the phone. 1817 01:34:56,930 --> 01:34:59,580 The subject matter is ridiculed in the media. 1818 01:34:59,580 --> 01:35:02,460 And so even though I was dealing with facts in this article 1819 01:35:02,460 --> 01:35:05,570 and high-level journalism, they weren't interested because 1820 01:35:05,570 --> 01:35:06,440 of the subject matter. 1821 01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:08,510 This was really, really frustrating, 1822 01:35:08,510 --> 01:35:11,300 because I thought this was an extremely important story 1823 01:35:11,300 --> 01:35:13,180 and I know that it was newsworthy. 1824 01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:15,140 Most Americans have never heard of it. 1825 01:35:15,140 --> 01:35:18,600 The group hasn't published an English translation 1826 01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,990 that anybody can get ahold of. 1827 01:35:20,990 --> 01:35:26,870 And they seem to be on the trail of saying, hey, you Americans, 1828 01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:29,450 you're holding back technology that you've learned from flying 1829 01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:31,460 saucers from your allies. 1830 01:35:31,460 --> 01:35:34,120 So it's a message to the Pentagon, not to the public. 1831 01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,410 They know the Pentagon knows they're real. 1832 01:35:36,410 --> 01:35:38,740 So it's an important report for what it says. 1833 01:35:38,740 --> 01:35:44,100 No other report with names, with people, with excellent cases-- 1834 01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:47,160 this is not anonymous reporting now-- 1835 01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:48,780 has come close to taking as strong 1836 01:35:48,780 --> 01:35:52,160 a stand that some UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecraft. 1837 01:35:54,970 --> 01:35:58,870 NARRATOR: In 2007, the French National Space Agency 1838 01:35:58,870 --> 01:36:02,970 CNES released a half century of previously 1839 01:36:02,970 --> 01:36:04,940 classified UFO reports. 1840 01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,770 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1841 01:36:12,770 --> 01:36:15,400 A group calling itself the Disclosure Project 1842 01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,840 is in Washington this week calling on Congress to hold 1843 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,220 public hearings on UFOs. 1844 01:36:19,220 --> 01:36:21,760 Is there really life on other planets? 1845 01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,610 Some former military and government 1846 01:36:23,610 --> 01:36:25,450 personnel say they have proof-- 1847 01:36:25,450 --> 01:36:29,090 --group of people who claim they have seen UFOs is calling 1848 01:36:29,090 --> 01:36:30,490 on Congress to open hearings. 1849 01:36:30,490 --> 01:36:32,820 What do members plan to do with their information? 1850 01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:36,430 They hope Congress and President Bush take notice. 1851 01:36:36,430 --> 01:36:37,630 [APPLAUSE] 1852 01:36:37,630 --> 01:36:40,090 MALE REPORTER: Before a crowd of believers and skeptics, 1853 01:36:40,090 --> 01:36:43,380 with cameras rolling, members of a group calling itself 1854 01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:45,630 the Disclosure Project stood up one 1855 01:36:45,630 --> 01:36:49,020 by one to tell personal experiences involving 1856 01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:51,490 what they say are UFOs. 1857 01:36:51,490 --> 01:36:56,940 I have with me the voice tapes of the controllers 1858 01:36:56,940 --> 01:36:58,590 that were involved. 1859 01:36:58,590 --> 01:37:02,740 I have a copy of the original of the video that we took, 1860 01:37:02,740 --> 01:37:04,760 which is rather interesting. 1861 01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:09,390 And it's called the UFO incident, Japan 1648, 1862 01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:10,280 I believe the number was. 1863 01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:14,160 It happened on November the 18th, 1986. 1864 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:18,400 When it was all done, the CIA-- one of the CIA men 1865 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,730 told the people they were now sworn to secrecy, 1866 01:37:20,730 --> 01:37:24,610 that this meeting never happened and this event never happened. 1867 01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:25,650 We have another-- 1868 01:37:25,650 --> 01:37:27,440 NARRATOR: The Disclosure Project was formed 1869 01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:30,700 by Dr. Steven Greer in 1993. 1870 01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:32,480 Since then, he has gathered together 1871 01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:35,620 over 200 military and civilian witnesses 1872 01:37:35,620 --> 01:37:39,260 who experienced UFO events during their official duties. 1873 01:37:39,260 --> 01:37:44,120 We had ground visual, ground radar, airborne visual, 1874 01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:48,590 and airborne radar confirmation of some of these sightings. 1875 01:37:48,590 --> 01:37:51,390 NARRATOR: Witnesses ranged from FAA controllers 1876 01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:53,660 to military communications specialists. 1877 01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:56,450 And I can clearly recall seeing a message that 1878 01:37:56,450 --> 01:38:00,940 went through my crypto center which said that a UFO had 1879 01:38:00,940 --> 01:38:03,440 crashed on the island of Spitsbergen, Norway 1880 01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:06,260 and a team of scientists were coming to investigate it. 1881 01:38:06,260 --> 01:38:08,970 NARRATOR: Many witnesses provided official documentation 1882 01:38:08,970 --> 01:38:10,410 of their event. 1883 01:38:10,410 --> 01:38:15,620 Out of the National Archives, I have the 18-page official 1884 01:38:15,620 --> 01:38:17,630 Navy and Air Force report. 1885 01:38:17,630 --> 01:38:20,110 So the truth is here. 1886 01:38:20,110 --> 01:38:23,970 I will testify under oath before Congress that everything 1887 01:38:23,970 --> 01:38:25,830 that I have said is true. 1888 01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:29,270 [APPLAUSE] 1889 01:38:31,740 --> 01:38:33,250 I think it's time to open the books. 1890 01:38:33,250 --> 01:38:36,320 NARRATOR: In October of 2002, former White House Chief 1891 01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:40,200 of Staff John Podesta urged the release of secret government 1892 01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:41,820 UFO records. 1893 01:38:41,820 --> 01:38:45,050 He cited the importance to the public of declassifying 1894 01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:46,340 government documents. 1895 01:38:46,340 --> 01:38:49,430 It's time to find out what the truth 1896 01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:51,530 really is that's out there. 1897 01:38:51,530 --> 01:38:54,090 We ought to do it, really, because it's right. 1898 01:38:54,090 --> 01:38:57,500 We ought to do it because the American people, quite frankly, 1899 01:38:57,500 --> 01:38:59,280 can handle the truth. 1900 01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:02,240 And we ought to do it because it's the law. 1901 01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,400 NARRATOR: It's not surprising that government officials 1902 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,830 of this stature are requesting the release 1903 01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:09,940 of official UFO information, because sightings 1904 01:39:09,940 --> 01:39:12,620 over major cities persist. 1905 01:39:12,620 --> 01:39:17,130 In December 2006, a number of United Airlines employees 1906 01:39:17,130 --> 01:39:20,690 witnessed a disc-shaped craft hovering over Chicago's 1907 01:39:20,690 --> 01:39:22,650 O'Hare Airport for two minutes. 1908 01:39:22,650 --> 01:39:26,500 The incident was reported in the national media. 1909 01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:29,980 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1910 01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,800 [CHATTER] 1911 01:40:11,730 --> 01:40:13,720 WOMAN: Oh my god! 1912 01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,690 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1913 01:40:16,690 --> 01:40:19,370 NARRATOR: Often in reliable UFO cases, 1914 01:40:19,370 --> 01:40:22,570 the official explanation is more unbelievable than the event 1915 01:40:22,570 --> 01:40:23,440 itself. 1916 01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:27,670 I had the evidence that a crash did happen here. 1917 01:40:32,350 --> 01:40:34,270 And then the red light was sort of casting 1918 01:40:34,270 --> 01:40:38,200 a glow over the whole thing, so it looked like a round disc. 1919 01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,080 I saw one, but I don't know where-- it just disappeared. 1920 01:40:50,490 --> 01:40:53,070 People say, Mike, no, you saw a B-2 bomber. 1921 01:40:53,070 --> 01:40:55,880 My response was, we could land all 40 of our B-2 bombers 1922 01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:57,040 on the wing of that craft. 1923 01:41:01,370 --> 01:41:05,240 I would go ahead and feel the craft, which was warm. 1924 01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:15,670 There is a serious possibility that we all being visited 1925 01:41:15,670 --> 01:41:18,410 and have been visited for many years 1926 01:41:18,410 --> 01:41:23,880 by people from outer space, from other civilizations. 1927 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,120 That it behooves us, in case some of these people 1928 01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,120 in the future or now should turn hostile, 1929 01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,900 to find out who they are, where they come from, 1930 01:41:32,900 --> 01:41:34,080 and what they want. 1931 01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,600 Well, if the accounts are to be believed, 1932 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,220 yes, there have been ET visitation. 1933 01:41:40,220 --> 01:41:43,200 There have been crashed craft. 1934 01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:48,210 There have been material and bodies recovered. 1935 01:41:48,210 --> 01:41:52,430 And there is some group of people somewhere 1936 01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:56,570 that may or may not be associated with government 1937 01:41:56,570 --> 01:41:58,620 at this point, but certainly were at one 1938 01:41:58,620 --> 01:42:01,870 time, that have this knowledge. 1939 01:42:01,870 --> 01:42:04,500 The thing you have to remember is that absolute power 1940 01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:06,080 corrupts absolutely. 1941 01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:07,680 When you've got the knowledge and the budget, 1942 01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:09,750 nobody looking over your shoulder, 1943 01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:12,380 there's a great temptation to think that you know best. 1944 01:42:12,380 --> 01:42:14,210 To heck with the public, they don't know enough to have 1945 01:42:14,210 --> 01:42:15,900 a sensible opinion. 1946 01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:17,050 That's unfortunate. 1947 01:42:17,050 --> 01:42:17,900 [SPEAKING RUSSIAN] 1948 01:42:37,930 --> 01:42:40,720 I just wish that government entities that are involved 1949 01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,510 in trying to always stop the investigation 1950 01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:47,410 or put out some flaky story about some observation that was 1951 01:42:47,410 --> 01:42:50,270 legitimate-- I don't know why people just don't stop 1952 01:42:50,270 --> 01:42:52,760 and, and-- and in government-- and just sort of, you know, 1953 01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:53,830 open the books for everybody. 1954 01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:55,460 We all ought to be included. 1955 01:42:55,460 --> 01:42:56,750 It's something that we should embrace 1956 01:42:56,750 --> 01:42:58,090 and not be fearful about. 1957 01:42:58,090 --> 01:42:59,760 That's-- that's how I feel about it. 1958 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:04,120 Since the subject is clearly of great interest to the public, 1959 01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:08,430 I think that the scientific community owes it to the public 1960 01:43:08,430 --> 01:43:11,110 to really pay attention to the subject 1961 01:43:11,110 --> 01:43:14,930 and make a thorough, extensive, and careful 1962 01:43:14,930 --> 01:43:18,570 investigation, and then share with the public whatever 1963 01:43:18,570 --> 01:43:19,360 they find. 1964 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:20,530 MALE INTERVIEWER: A story this big, 1965 01:43:20,530 --> 01:43:22,790 there's no way it could be kept secret from the public. 1966 01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:24,830 What do you say to someone like that, who says that? 1967 01:43:29,090 --> 01:43:32,530 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1968 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,830 NARRATOR: If structured craft of unknown origin 1969 01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:39,360 are penetrating our skies, the people best equipped to know 1970 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:40,060 are the military. 1971 01:43:40,060 --> 01:43:42,700 And we will provide you with all the information 1972 01:43:42,700 --> 01:43:43,900 that you need. 1973 01:43:43,900 --> 01:43:45,470 NARRATOR: Numerous military witnesses 1974 01:43:45,470 --> 01:43:49,140 are prepared to testify in great detail that need immunity 1975 01:43:49,140 --> 01:43:51,200 from their security oaths. 1976 01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:52,940 Congress is currently being lobbied 1977 01:43:52,940 --> 01:43:56,200 to provide a platform for such testimony, but so far, 1978 01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:56,900 to no avail. 1979 01:44:00,620 --> 01:44:04,520 The discovery that we are being visited by extraterrestrials 1980 01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:07,490 would be one of the greatest in human history. 1981 01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:09,340 Such a discovery would profoundly 1982 01:44:09,340 --> 01:44:11,400 alter the perception of ourselves 1983 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,720 and our place in the universe. 1984 01:44:18,210 --> 01:44:21,700 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1985 01:46:15,230 --> 01:46:18,450 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1986 01:46:23,550 --> 01:46:26,900 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