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This whole series of events
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began with a deliberate decision
by a senior officer
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to breach the PACE code.
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Do you want another one?
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Another one?
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What resulted was not admissible
evidence in a criminal trial.
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We should still be OK
with the case against him for Sian.
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We have the DNA evidence.
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Her blood in his car,
his DNA on her body.
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What about Becky?
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The confession evidence is all we had.
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And, er, I'm afraid, without that,
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we'll have to take her name
off the indictment.
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Well, this is Fulcher's fault!
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Usual deal. None of what we talk about
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can be used by ITV
until after the verdict.
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Yeah, agreed.
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Well, he's a serial killer, Rob.
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I am convinced of it.
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His big hero was that Myra Hindley
off the Moors Murders.
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I want to make a complaint
about one of your police officers.
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Well, it's a complaint, Steve.
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We'll have to decide
whether it constitutes
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just misconduct or gross misconduct.
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- Really?
- He said they were gunning for him.
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He felt abandoned
by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift.
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But where is Becky in the pecking order?
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Right down at the bottom,
where she's always been.
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So you go back and you tell
your bosses, no, I am not satisfied.
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Not at all.
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I had a word with Mike.
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Unfortunately, he's already
referred it to the IPCC.
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They're going to charge you.
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Gross misconduct.
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- Happy anniversary!
- Oh...
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- Thank you very much.
- Happy anniversary, Mum.
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Happy anniversary, Dad.
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Oh, that's lovely!
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Oh, thank you. That's beautiful.
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- They helped me choose it. Didn't you?
- Just a little bit.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you.
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Ah-ha!
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I've always wanted...
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It's got a little red light that
flashes if you're too stressed
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- and you press it too hard.
- Do you think I'm stressed?
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- Mm, maybe...
- And I thought I was hiding it.
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- Maybe a little bit.
- Keep out of it, you.
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- The card's from all three of us.
- Thank you very much.
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- We're behind you.
- Thank you.
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- Happy anniversary.
- Mm-hm.
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That helps me a lot, I'll tell you.
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We have statements from prostitutes
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putting Halliwell with Becky
in the lead-up to the murder.
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We have the guy he shared a cell with
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saying that he liked
to strangle women during sex.
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It's all there.
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Eight murders,
he told his mate on the phone.
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Now, we know about two.
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Who's out there
looking for the other six?
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It's not me. I'm sat on my arse
on restricted duties.
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Have they, er, set a date
for your disciplinary hearing?
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Before the end of the year.
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Meanwhile, I'm in total...
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...limbo.
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No case, no team.
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The knives are out for me, too.
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- What?
- Mike Veale suddenly announced to me
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that he didn't need me
as a staff officer any more.
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He thought I'd resign.
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I refused to.
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Then I find this week that
he's appointed a new staff officer.
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It's a joke.
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I mean, this is my problem.
They can't go after you, too.
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I'm going to have this out with them.
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Steve, don't. Steve...
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- Pat, can I have a quick word?
- Steve...
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Listen, I know there's a lot of flak
flying around,
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but it's not fair to...
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What's wrong with your phone?
I've been trying to call you.
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- I had it on charge.
- Mike Veale wants to see you.
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OK.
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I'll tell him you're on your way.
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- 25 years Halliwell got.
- That's Karen.
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He'll get out, so he'll have
plenty of his life in front of him.
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I feel for her, of course I do. But...
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Fulcher broke the law.
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You know that.
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I don't really know what I think
any more, to be honest.
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I know I'd rather not get into this
right here and now with Karen.
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- I'll sign.
- Oh, thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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You're actually the first.
That's... It's all my family there.
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That's... That's me at the top.
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Thank you.
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25 years...
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...Halliwell got. And he'll get out.
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Mike wanted to see me?
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Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute.
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Mike will see you now.
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Thank you.
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Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down.
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- Mike. Kier.
- Steve.
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I asked DCS Pritchard
to be here this morning
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to make a note of everything.
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Now, I have to tell you, Steve,
that I am suspending you from duty
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with immediate effect.
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It's been brought to my attention
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that you had an unauthorised meeting
with a member of the press,
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the ITV journalist Rob Murphy,
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during which you discussed
Operation Mayan.
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This is a meeting that you were
expressly forbidden to attend.
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An officer from a neighbouring force
happened to be in the pub that night
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and witnessed the meeting
and reported it to Kier.
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Well, as you know, Steve,
I expressly told you
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you're not to do any interviews
with journalists.
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I don't recall any conversation
along those lines, Kier.
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I mentioned it
at one of the routines recently.
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Mm-hm.
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Now, I consider this matter
to be serious enough
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to warrant immediate suspension.
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- Do you have anything to say?
- No, I don't.
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Very well, could you please give me
your pass and warrant card?
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You will now be escorted
from the premises by Tom,
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who's waiting for you outside.
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He'll accompany you to your house
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to recover any force documents
or property.
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Do you understand what I've said to you?
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I do.
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I'll ask you again
if you have anything to say.
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I don't.
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Fine. That's everything.
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Er, I'll take the phone.
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- Can I at least call my wife?
- I'm afraid not.
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Oh, could I have that, please, sir?
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Are you coming in?
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Oh, it's Steve.
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Maughan and Ned are here.
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- Er, where's the laptop, please?
- What's going on?
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It's in the kitchen on the dining table.
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Would you accompany me in there, please?
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- Steve...?
- I've been suspended.
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What?! My mum and dad are in there.
Can I get it for you?
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I'm sorry.
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Hi, folks. Hello.
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- Hi, Steve.
- Hello.
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- Is this it?
- Yes.
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- Everything all right?
- Yes, it's a work thing.
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And she was going round
all of the toilets in the school
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and she slid under all the doors,
locked them,
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and then slid back out again
so that all the doors,
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all the toilets in the whole school
were locked.
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- How stupid.
- Mm, goodness.
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I mean, it's kind of silly
for her to get expelled,
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because she's a good student,
she's got good grades.
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It's not that big a
deal, it's just a joke.
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Just cos she's your friend.
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Do you remember Amelia
who was here last week?
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- Oh, yeah.
- You know, the really bitchy one.
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- She's not really bitchy.
- Yes, she is.
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She's not that bad.
But she's started to...
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Don't worry.
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Er, would you like to come through?
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Thank you.
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Thank you for coming to see me,
Mrs Edwards.
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The IPCC is an independent body
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that's been set up to examine
complaints against the police.
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I've asked you to come and see me
today to discuss a complaint
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that has been made against the
officer leading the investigation
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into the murder of your daughter Rebecca.
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Against Steve Fulcher?
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
that's correct.
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I wanted to know if you wanted
to add your name
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to the complaint against him.
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Who's made this complaint?
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Rebecca's father, John Godden.
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You're joking! John?!
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Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's...
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Have you met John Godden?
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All complaints about the police
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must be dealt with without prejudice.
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And it has been deemed that
the points Mr Godden has raised
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are serious enough
to warrant an investigation.
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Specifically, Detective
Superintendent Fulcher's failure
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to apply the rules of PACE
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to his interview with the chief
suspect Christopher Halliwell
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and prevented justice for his daughter.
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But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher
we'd never have found our daughter.
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So, how does he work that one out?
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So, you don't agree
with your ex-husband's view
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about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's
conduct?
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No. We bloody don't.
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If Mrs Edwards could answer
the question, please.
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No, I bloody well don't!
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We've got to help him, Charlie.
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We can't leave him
to be thrown to the wolves.
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You know, I'm sure it suits them
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to make out he's the one that messed up.
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You know, "It's not us, it's him."
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But you can't take on everyone, Karen.
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So, they're after Steve's blood.
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But the man who murdered Becky
has got away with it.
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- How do you work that one out?
- Come on, love, get in.
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No, justice for Steve
is justice for Becky.
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It's only a bloody can of Coke.
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He just had to ask first.
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And I have told him that
time and time again.
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He has no male role model in his life.
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Mick only sees him every other weekend.
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To all intents and purposes,
I'm his father now.
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Let me in, Elaine.
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I want to help.
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Lauren!
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- I was just passing.
- Come in. It's so lovely to see you.
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Come in.
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- Are you going to come and say hello?
- I'm all right in here.
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Elaine... This is my daughter.
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- We don't get on, Pete.
- Yeah, I know.
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But can't you just be the bigger person?
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Come on, love, let's go through.
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Hello?
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Of course.
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OK, he's ready to see you now.
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Thank you very much.
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This is a great pleasure
to meet you, Mr Edwards.
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- Charlie.
- Please...
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Thank you very much for seeing us,
Mr Buckland.
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- Not at all.
- I know you must be very busy.
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You've got all the documents I sent you.
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- Mm.
- I feel very passionate about this.
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Halliwell must be prosecuted
for the murder of my daughter.
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Not just so Becky gets justice,
but cos the police officer involved,
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
because it's not fair
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that he should be facing
losing his career over this
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- when all he did was try to save...
- Karen, not all at once.
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You're bombarding the man.
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Sorry. It's just, once I start, I...
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...I find it hard to stop.
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But what I wanted to say,
and I know you're a lawyer yourself,
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is I think there's a grey area here
with PACE.
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I agree.
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You agree?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I think PACE does need
to be looked at.
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So...
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...can you help us?
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You've started a petition?
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Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures
so far.
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Right, you need to get that number
up as high as you possibly can.
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If I'm to lobby the Government,
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the higher the number,
the more they'll take notice.
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And you also need to keep on doing
your radio and TV interviews
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whenever you get the chance.
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You see, the more the campaign
features in the press,
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the likelihood increases
that the Government
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could ask Wiltshire Police Service
some awkward questions.
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Oh, right.
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You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards,
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and make people aware
of PACE's limitations.
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But to answer your question simply,
then...
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...yes, I'd like to try and help you.
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Oh, thank you!
Thank you very much, Mr Buckland!
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- Hey.
- Hi!
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Hi, how are you doing?
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Nice to see you.
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Can I get you a drink?
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- Erm, red wine.
- Mm-hm.
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Thank you.
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They've sent a file off
to the Crown Prosecution Service
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for a criminal prosecution against you.
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Criminal? What for?
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Malfeasance in a public office.
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Malfeasance?!
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They want to put him in prison now?
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Malfeasance is about abuse of office.
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Trying to find Sian alive
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and trying to recover the body
of a missing girl isn't malfeasance.
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I mean, if that's the case,
who is the victim?
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Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell.
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The prosecution case would
have to be that, but for my actions,
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poor old Christopher Halliwell
would be a free man.
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Well, the CPS threw it out.
But it shows you their mind-set.
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Seems they want to get you for something.
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I'm going to the loo.
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I may well throw up.
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This is driving her mad.
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She wants me to resign.
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And do what? I've been a detective
for more than 20 years.
289
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Please, don't jump yet, Steve.
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At least wait until you see a lawyer
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about your defence
for the disciplinary hearing.
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Hear what he has to say. I can't
believe they won't exonerate you
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- once they hear the evidence.
- Mm-hm.
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What's happening to you
is horrible and unfair.
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But you mustn't give in.
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I'm not an expert and I've never
done anything like this before.
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And I've discovered I actually
hate the sound of my own voice.
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But I am a mother
who has lost her daughter.
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And I feel that gives me the right
to speak my mind.
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Because I am absolutely raging
about this inside.
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My daughter had her problems.
302
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But that doesn't mean
she doesn't deserve justice.
303
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That doesn't mean we should treat
her any differently to anybody else
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who's had their life
snatched away from them.
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I'm asking the Government
to urgently review Code C of PACE,
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which covers the detention,
treatment and questioning
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of suspects by police officers.
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PACE is nearly 30 years old and it
was brought in because of concerns
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over the way the police were
behaving with people in custody.
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Which I understand.
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But what Steve Fulcher faced
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were a very, very unusual
set of circumstances.
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And I feel
there should be more flexibility
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when police officers arrest people
in situations like that.
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Because I don't want anybody else
to suffer
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what we have been through as a family.
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
318
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- I love you.
- I love you, too.
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See you soon.
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Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it?
I'm Yvonne.
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Steve's wife. I just want to say hello.
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Oh, how lovely to meet you.
323
00:16:56,438 --> 00:16:58,437
This is my husband Charlie.
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I am so sorry
Steve's having to go through this.
325
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In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace
326
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and please don't think
we had anything to do with it.
327
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This is all down to him. And when
I heard he'd made a complaint,
328
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after all Steve has done for us,
329
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I could have wrung his neck.
330
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Nice to meet you.
Erm, I was going to go outside.
331
00:17:13,821 --> 00:17:16,277
- I'm not allowed to stay in here.
- Oh, that's ridiculous.
332
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Don't you worry, love.
We'll look after him.
333
00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:19,438
Thanks.
334
00:17:24,438 --> 00:17:25,956
Good morning, everyone.
335
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I am Chief Constable Andy Parker
from Warwickshire Police
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and I'll be chairing this hearing.
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There are some of you
that I haven't met before.
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I wonder if we can begin
by you telling us your names?
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Anna Proctor, IPCC.
340
00:17:37,438 --> 00:17:38,438
Thank you.
341
00:17:38,439 --> 00:17:41,278
- The gentleman at the back?
- Er...
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00:17:42,011 --> 00:17:44,331
My name is John Godden.
343
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Father of Rebecca Godden.
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David Godden, John's brother.
345
00:17:53,351 --> 00:17:56,351
Karen Edwards,
mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards.
346
00:17:56,376 --> 00:17:59,083
Could you just hang on a minute,
cos I...?
347
00:17:59,108 --> 00:18:00,441
I think I'm on the wrong side here.
348
00:18:00,478 --> 00:18:03,006
Cos I don't want to be associated
with this lot.
349
00:18:03,007 --> 00:18:05,059
Because we're here
to support Steve Fulcher.
350
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So, were going to... Come on, Charlie.
351
00:18:08,791 --> 00:18:09,791
Thank you.
352
00:18:12,438 --> 00:18:14,660
Thank you. Carry on.
353
00:18:19,438 --> 00:18:21,437
The first allegation concerns a complaint
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brought against you by Mr Godden.
355
00:18:23,438 --> 00:18:25,437
It is alleged that your behaviour,
356
00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:28,936
when dealing with Mr Halliwell
on 24th March, 2011,
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fell below the standards
of professional behaviour
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required of an officer of your standing.
359
00:18:35,791 --> 00:18:37,791
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
360
00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:40,478
I deny the allegation.
361
00:18:41,060 --> 00:18:42,437
Allegation two.
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00:18:42,438 --> 00:18:45,437
It is alleged by your employer,
Wiltshire Police,
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that, by having inappropriate
contact with the media,
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your conduct again fell below
the same standards.
365
00:18:52,438 --> 00:18:54,437
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
366
00:18:54,438 --> 00:18:55,957
I deny the allegation.
367
00:18:55,958 --> 00:18:59,437
The provisions of PACE are quite
clear, Mr Fulcher.
368
00:18:59,438 --> 00:19:01,604
I mean, they're there to protect
the rights of all of us.
369
00:19:01,605 --> 00:19:03,720
- Yes.
- Yet, you did not caution
370
00:19:03,745 --> 00:19:06,277
Christopher Halliwell
as the law dictates.
371
00:19:06,278 --> 00:19:07,437
Now, why not?
372
00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:09,438
Because I felt it was disingenuous
373
00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:14,715
to begin an interview with Halliwell
in those circumstances by saying,
374
00:19:14,716 --> 00:19:15,957
"You don't have to say anything."
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00:19:15,958 --> 00:19:18,117
I felt his right to silence
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00:19:18,118 --> 00:19:20,438
directly conflicted
with Sian's right to life.
377
00:19:21,438 --> 00:19:23,953
Er, a little while later,
Halliwell says to you,
378
00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:27,277
"Do you want another one?" Now, what
did you understand this to mean?
379
00:19:27,278 --> 00:19:30,437
It wasn't actually clear, initially,
what it meant.
380
00:19:30,438 --> 00:19:32,437
Well, if it wasn't clear,
wouldn't it have been better
381
00:19:32,438 --> 00:19:34,046
to arrest him for Sian, caution him,
382
00:19:34,047 --> 00:19:36,437
and then clarify things on the other
one back at the police station?
383
00:19:36,438 --> 00:19:38,437
But they wouldn't have been
clarified, would they?
384
00:19:38,438 --> 00:19:41,437
His solicitor would've advised him
to go, "No comment,"
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00:19:41,438 --> 00:19:43,627
- and that would've been that.
- Not necessarily.
386
00:19:43,628 --> 00:19:45,437
He could've been properly cautioned,
brought back to the station
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00:19:45,438 --> 00:19:47,740
and then revealed
the victim's whereabouts.
388
00:19:48,438 --> 00:19:50,477
That's the difference between
theory and practice.
389
00:19:50,478 --> 00:19:53,437
I mean, in practice,
that has never happened.
390
00:19:53,438 --> 00:19:54,797
Not once, in my whole career.
391
00:19:54,798 --> 00:19:57,771
Now, if you had arrested him
and cautioned him at that point,
392
00:19:57,772 --> 00:19:59,277
then everything that followed
393
00:19:59,278 --> 00:20:00,797
would have remained admissible
in evidence.
394
00:20:00,798 --> 00:20:04,117
Not to do so was a gross error
of judgment on your part, wasn't it?
395
00:20:04,118 --> 00:20:05,438
I don't believe it was, no.
396
00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:14,437
I feel like a madman in a roomful
of people who don't understand me.
397
00:20:14,438 --> 00:20:18,118
I'm saying the same thing over and
over again and nobody's listening.
398
00:20:28,578 --> 00:20:32,205
Mr Geenty, you've always supported
Steve Fulcher's reasoning
399
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:34,777
for not cautioning
Christopher Halliwell, haven't you?
400
00:20:34,778 --> 00:20:37,577
I have no doubt about his good faith
that day.
401
00:20:37,578 --> 00:20:40,577
Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning.
402
00:20:40,578 --> 00:20:44,577
At the pre-trial hearing, before the
Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said,
403
00:20:44,578 --> 00:20:48,212
"I think the decision Steve made was,
404
00:20:48,213 --> 00:20:51,911
"to use the slang, a gutsy decision.
405
00:20:51,912 --> 00:20:54,577
"And I'd like to think
I would make a similar decision
406
00:20:54,578 --> 00:20:56,577
"in the same circumstances."
407
00:20:56,578 --> 00:20:58,577
Well, that was when he was still hoping
408
00:20:58,578 --> 00:21:00,417
that Sian might be found alive.
409
00:21:00,418 --> 00:21:01,577
We all were.
410
00:21:01,578 --> 00:21:03,577
But I disagree with his judgment
411
00:21:03,578 --> 00:21:06,578
when it came to him being offered
information about the second body.
412
00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:11,577
That is where I think PACE
and the protection of the suspect
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00:21:11,578 --> 00:21:13,577
would have become paramount
414
00:21:13,578 --> 00:21:16,577
because tragically, at that point,
when he knew Sian was dead,
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00:21:16,578 --> 00:21:19,577
the urgent interview provision
no longer applied.
416
00:21:19,578 --> 00:21:22,875
So you agree with his actions in
relation to Sian, but not to Becky?
417
00:21:22,876 --> 00:21:26,577
No, I believe, at that point,
in the heat of the moment,
418
00:21:26,578 --> 00:21:28,260
he could not have been thinking clearly.
419
00:21:28,261 --> 00:21:31,020
So what are you saying, then?
That Becky doesn't matter?
420
00:21:32,938 --> 00:21:35,577
Would it be fair to say
that Steve Fulcher
421
00:21:35,578 --> 00:21:39,417
was by far the most experienced SIO
that Wiltshire had
422
00:21:39,418 --> 00:21:41,577
at the point of the Sian and Becky
investigation?
423
00:21:41,578 --> 00:21:44,920
Steve has demonstrated
that he has a solid track record.
424
00:21:44,921 --> 00:21:47,577
And that,
whatever else this case is about,
425
00:21:47,578 --> 00:21:51,577
there is no doubt that he is an
outstandingly good police officer.
426
00:21:51,578 --> 00:21:54,010
He is a very competent officer, yes.
427
00:21:54,011 --> 00:21:56,937
Now, in spite of the fact that
it's normal for senior officers
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00:21:56,938 --> 00:21:59,577
to give off-the-record media briefings,
429
00:21:59,578 --> 00:22:02,577
you say you had a conversation
with Steve Fulcher
430
00:22:02,578 --> 00:22:06,152
to tell him of an order by the then
Deputy Chief Constable Geenty
431
00:22:06,153 --> 00:22:08,577
that he wasn't to do any interviews
with journalists.
432
00:22:08,578 --> 00:22:09,937
That is correct, yes.
433
00:22:09,938 --> 00:22:12,777
You made an entry into your diary
that day, didn't you?
434
00:22:12,778 --> 00:22:15,267
You record 16 points
435
00:22:15,268 --> 00:22:17,617
relating to various matters
you'd discussed with him.
436
00:22:17,618 --> 00:22:20,577
But the one thing you haven't recorded
437
00:22:20,578 --> 00:22:22,282
is any mention of Steve Fulcher
438
00:22:22,283 --> 00:22:24,069
being told not to speak to the media.
439
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:26,777
I spoke to Steve Fulcher
about DCC Geenty's order
440
00:22:26,778 --> 00:22:29,220
at the end of the conversation.
441
00:22:30,258 --> 00:22:32,577
Those other points were from
the first part of the conversation.
442
00:22:32,578 --> 00:22:34,577
But surely, Mr Geenty's order
443
00:22:34,578 --> 00:22:37,577
would've been the most important
part of that conversation,
444
00:22:37,578 --> 00:22:40,777
based on the fact that Steve Fulcher
stands here today
445
00:22:40,778 --> 00:22:43,577
with the prospect
of losing his career because of it?
446
00:22:43,578 --> 00:22:45,577
I didn't feel it necessary
to have recorded
447
00:22:45,578 --> 00:22:46,578
that part of the conversation.
448
00:22:46,579 --> 00:22:49,220
But I can assure you that it did happen.
449
00:22:50,258 --> 00:22:52,577
Is this actually misconduct at all?
450
00:22:52,578 --> 00:22:55,817
In both instances, the failure
to caution Christopher Halliwell
451
00:22:55,818 --> 00:22:58,577
and the interviews Detective
Superintendent Fulcher
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00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:00,162
gave to the media,
453
00:23:00,163 --> 00:23:02,330
might not many members of the public say,
454
00:23:02,331 --> 00:23:06,985
"Surely, there are better ways
for the police service and the IPCC
455
00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:08,577
"to deal with such matters?
456
00:23:08,578 --> 00:23:11,577
"Are you really satisfied,
based on the evidence before you,
457
00:23:11,578 --> 00:23:14,577
"that you could take the steps
to remove this man's career?"
458
00:23:14,578 --> 00:23:17,162
- Thank you, Mr Beggs.
- Are there any questions
459
00:23:17,163 --> 00:23:19,577
from Rebecca's family members
present today?
460
00:23:19,578 --> 00:23:22,578
Well, not from me.
I'm very happy with how it's gone.
461
00:23:23,578 --> 00:23:26,577
- Mrs Edwards?
- I agree with Mr Beggs.
462
00:23:26,578 --> 00:23:30,577
It seems ridiculous all this
public money's been spent on this.
463
00:23:30,578 --> 00:23:32,097
Thank you, both.
464
00:23:32,098 --> 00:23:34,972
Well, we shall now retire
to consider our judgment.
465
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You will be informed of our verdict
in due course,
466
00:23:37,578 --> 00:23:39,577
when this hearing will reconvene.
467
00:23:39,578 --> 00:23:40,740
Thank you.
468
00:24:13,914 --> 00:24:15,618
Come on, you reds!
469
00:24:25,578 --> 00:24:27,577
My sister got in a cab with him.
470
00:24:27,578 --> 00:24:29,257
- With Halliwell?
- Yeah.
471
00:24:29,258 --> 00:24:32,577
She seen his picture in the paper
and she was sure it was him.
472
00:24:32,578 --> 00:24:35,577
She gets in his cab
and he drives her the wrong way,
473
00:24:35,578 --> 00:24:38,577
out towards Savernake Forest,
acting all weird, like.
474
00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:41,417
She screams and opens the door
and someone sees them.
475
00:24:41,418 --> 00:24:43,207
And he pulls over and lets her out.
476
00:24:43,208 --> 00:24:45,577
Says he was just having a laugh with her.
477
00:24:45,578 --> 00:24:48,780
- She doesn't know how lucky she is.
- Yeah, that's what my mum says.
478
00:24:50,578 --> 00:24:53,060
All right, thank you. Thank you.
479
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:56,577
We just wanted to check that you were OK.
480
00:24:56,578 --> 00:24:58,578
See if you had any worries or questions.
481
00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:01,578
Thank you. It's much appreciated.
482
00:25:03,105 --> 00:25:06,526
I don't know if you're aware
of what Karen Edwards is doing.
483
00:25:06,578 --> 00:25:07,980
She's got a petition going.
484
00:25:10,258 --> 00:25:11,618
I'm aware of it, yeah.
485
00:25:11,643 --> 00:25:15,443
Her support for Stephen Fulcher
is very commendable, but...
486
00:25:15,468 --> 00:25:18,468
...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is...
487
00:25:18,493 --> 00:25:19,853
...misguided.
488
00:25:20,778 --> 00:25:24,098
Our position is that Fulcher
shouldn't have breached PACE.
489
00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:27,578
Yeah, that's how we feel.
490
00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:31,098
We would have found Sian's body anyway.
491
00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:33,060
That's good to know.
492
00:25:35,578 --> 00:25:38,777
We've heard from Karen's FLO
that she would like to meet you.
493
00:25:38,778 --> 00:25:41,577
Would you be interested
in us arranging that?
494
00:25:41,578 --> 00:25:43,578
No, I wouldn't. Thank you.
495
00:25:44,578 --> 00:25:46,780
After she got in the car with him...
496
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:50,418
...I keep wondering
what happened to her after that.
497
00:25:53,031 --> 00:25:55,671
I torment myself
wondering if it was quick.
498
00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:00,578
Erm...
499
00:26:01,171 --> 00:26:06,171
He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have
to give a detailed account in court.
500
00:26:06,578 --> 00:26:08,417
Or at least...
501
00:26:08,418 --> 00:26:09,900
...one that we could challenge.
502
00:26:11,578 --> 00:26:13,577
Did she know
what he was going to do with her?
503
00:26:13,578 --> 00:26:14,578
Was she frightened?
504
00:26:17,111 --> 00:26:19,751
Halliwell said that he killed her
quickly.
505
00:26:20,831 --> 00:26:22,831
Within a few minutes of setting off.
506
00:26:23,825 --> 00:26:26,345
She started struggling,
so he stabbed her.
507
00:26:28,578 --> 00:26:29,578
Erm...
508
00:26:30,785 --> 00:26:32,745
I don't know if I believe him.
509
00:26:36,258 --> 00:26:38,578
She wasn't wearing her boots
when you found her.
510
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:40,740
They were tight-fitting.
511
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:44,618
When did they come off? Did...?
512
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,700
Did he start to undress her?
513
00:26:57,578 --> 00:27:00,578
I just keep playing it
over and over in my head.
514
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:08,180
Different scenarios and...
515
00:27:11,578 --> 00:27:13,578
...I just see her face, Pete.
516
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:17,578
Terrified.
517
00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:22,577
Come here...
518
00:27:22,578 --> 00:27:23,578
It's OK.
519
00:27:23,579 --> 00:27:24,618
Come here.
520
00:27:26,258 --> 00:27:27,578
Shh...
521
00:27:33,258 --> 00:27:35,258
I want to look after you, Elaine.
522
00:27:37,578 --> 00:27:39,780
I'm here for you, all right?
523
00:27:43,098 --> 00:27:47,300
Everything that's happened has
just made me want to protect you.
524
00:27:54,052 --> 00:27:56,052
Why don't you pack it in at work?
525
00:27:58,438 --> 00:28:00,020
You hate that fucking job.
526
00:28:01,578 --> 00:28:02,900
I can support you.
527
00:28:08,578 --> 00:28:11,100
I want us to be together properly,
Elaine.
528
00:28:15,871 --> 00:28:16,871
Mm.
529
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:32,578
I have asked you not to smoke inside.
530
00:28:46,105 --> 00:28:48,745
Why don't you have a shower?
531
00:28:50,578 --> 00:28:53,044
Why don't you have a nice shower
and we could go to Brighton?
532
00:28:53,045 --> 00:28:54,324
The girls are out tonight.
533
00:28:54,325 --> 00:28:56,264
We could have lunch
and we wouldn't have to rush back.
534
00:28:56,265 --> 00:28:57,578
Do I smell, Yvonne?
535
00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:59,577
- What?
- Or do I stink?
536
00:28:59,578 --> 00:29:01,578
Can you smell me from there?
537
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,577
I don't know what you're talking about.
538
00:29:03,578 --> 00:29:04,777
Oh, obfuscation.
539
00:29:04,778 --> 00:29:06,577
I can tell from your answer,
540
00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:08,578
or, more accurately, your...
541
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:11,578
...lack of an answer, that I don't.
Therefore...
542
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,577
...no need for me to shower.
543
00:29:13,578 --> 00:29:15,020
Is this you being funny?
544
00:29:16,578 --> 00:29:19,177
Anyway, I'm not allowed
to leave the county
545
00:29:19,178 --> 00:29:20,577
without getting permission from them.
546
00:29:20,578 --> 00:29:22,071
- You're joking?
- It's true.
547
00:29:22,072 --> 00:29:24,300
I have to ask them
if I can leave Wiltshire.
548
00:29:28,578 --> 00:29:29,578
Well...
549
00:29:30,938 --> 00:29:32,098
OK.
550
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:44,577
What has happened to Steve Fulcher
is nothing short of scandalous.
551
00:29:44,578 --> 00:29:48,257
Cos, without him, my daughter
would be lying in a field somewhere
552
00:29:48,258 --> 00:29:50,577
without anyone knowing where she was.
553
00:29:50,578 --> 00:29:52,971
But he has been hounded
from pillar to post
554
00:29:52,972 --> 00:29:55,306
while Christopher Halliwell,
who murdered her,
555
00:29:55,307 --> 00:29:57,577
has never faced justice for what he did.
556
00:29:57,578 --> 00:30:00,577
Our Justice For Becky campaign
is petitioning the Government
557
00:30:00,578 --> 00:30:01,617
to change the PACE law.
558
00:30:01,618 --> 00:30:05,577
So, please, sign our petition
if you see us around Swindon.
559
00:30:05,578 --> 00:30:06,578
Not ideal.
560
00:30:06,579 --> 00:30:09,058
What, are you worried about a backlash
561
00:30:09,059 --> 00:30:12,577
if Karen Edwards' support for Steve
Fulcher gains too much momentum?
562
00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:15,577
Because, I have to admit,
it has crossed my mind.
563
00:30:15,578 --> 00:30:17,837
It's not great, from a PR point of view.
564
00:30:17,862 --> 00:30:18,975
No.
565
00:30:18,976 --> 00:30:22,257
Maybe we should have another think
about the investigation.
566
00:30:22,258 --> 00:30:23,351
Yeah.
567
00:30:23,352 --> 00:30:26,097
I know we bicker, I know he can be...
568
00:30:26,098 --> 00:30:27,577
...controlling.
569
00:30:27,578 --> 00:30:28,618
But...
570
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,578
...he can be so sweet.
571
00:30:32,258 --> 00:30:33,577
He's picked me up when I was down.
572
00:30:33,578 --> 00:30:35,777
He's been there for me
all through this. He's been my rock.
573
00:30:35,778 --> 00:30:38,098
He did force you to get that lump
on your boob checked.
574
00:30:38,099 --> 00:30:39,577
I will give him that.
575
00:30:39,578 --> 00:30:42,577
And just when I think
he's exactly what I need,
576
00:30:42,578 --> 00:30:45,257
things happen and I wonder if he is.
577
00:30:45,258 --> 00:30:47,577
We've had another row
because he says Aiden
578
00:30:47,578 --> 00:30:50,577
took a can of Coke
out of the fridge without asking.
579
00:30:50,578 --> 00:30:52,578
Really? A can of Coke?
580
00:30:53,638 --> 00:30:54,900
That's the, er...
581
00:30:55,778 --> 00:30:58,578
...the police at Karen's.
I wonder what they're there for.
582
00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:01,578
She asked to meet me, Karen.
583
00:31:02,578 --> 00:31:04,780
- What did you say?
- No.
584
00:31:06,578 --> 00:31:08,820
I can't face her. I know I should, but...
585
00:31:10,578 --> 00:31:12,578
I can't really explain it.
586
00:31:13,504 --> 00:31:15,276
We have come across so many people
587
00:31:15,277 --> 00:31:17,355
who have given us information
on Halliwell.
588
00:31:17,356 --> 00:31:19,188
People who say
they got into his taxi with him
589
00:31:19,189 --> 00:31:20,617
and had scary experiences.
590
00:31:20,618 --> 00:31:24,051
People saying he got obsessed
with women and would stalk them.
591
00:31:24,052 --> 00:31:26,577
People who can link him to girls
who have gone missing.
592
00:31:26,578 --> 00:31:28,577
But it's all hearsay, Karen.
593
00:31:28,578 --> 00:31:31,360
People say they know someone who knew him
594
00:31:31,361 --> 00:31:33,577
or people who've heard something
about him
595
00:31:33,578 --> 00:31:35,266
and not seen it for themselves.
596
00:31:35,267 --> 00:31:37,780
Nothing that would stand up in court.
597
00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:42,498
I'm sorry, but trying to play
amateur detective
598
00:31:42,523 --> 00:31:46,261
and criticising Wiltshire Police
in the media is not helping things.
599
00:31:46,286 --> 00:31:47,588
It's not all critical.
600
00:31:47,618 --> 00:31:51,979
I always tell everybody what
a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did.
601
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:53,577
And he is a Wiltshire
police officer, isn't he?
602
00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,159
We're all in this together.
603
00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:58,097
Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum
Elaine the other day
604
00:31:58,098 --> 00:32:00,417
and she was saying the same thing.
605
00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:01,578
It's a team effort.
606
00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:05,577
Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her?
607
00:32:05,578 --> 00:32:07,578
- I did.
- And what did she say?
608
00:32:09,438 --> 00:32:10,438
Er...
609
00:32:10,578 --> 00:32:13,578
She says it's not the right time
for her at the moment.
610
00:32:19,492 --> 00:32:21,492
Well, my door is always open.
611
00:32:24,578 --> 00:32:26,577
When you spoke to the psychiatrist
612
00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,025
about those feelings of rage,
Christopher,
613
00:32:29,026 --> 00:32:31,577
of being consumed by a single thought,
614
00:32:31,578 --> 00:32:34,820
did he talk about finding
a harmless release mechanism?
615
00:32:35,791 --> 00:32:39,431
For example, to think of something
that calms us down.
616
00:32:39,844 --> 00:32:42,100
Well, I told him I liked to go fishing.
617
00:32:43,578 --> 00:32:45,578
I used to love sitting there
for hours on end.
618
00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:48,578
I find it very peaceful.
619
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:50,578
And that's good.
620
00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:52,778
Yeah.
621
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:55,578
I had this special place
where I liked to fish.
622
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,578
Out in the woods.
623
00:32:58,512 --> 00:33:00,512
It was like my own private...
624
00:33:00,578 --> 00:33:02,578
I don't know what you'd call it.
A sanctum.
625
00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:04,578
Yeah.
626
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:07,578
I used to love going there.
627
00:33:08,578 --> 00:33:10,380
My special place.
628
00:33:33,578 --> 00:33:35,116
The panel feels that
629
00:33:35,117 --> 00:33:37,235
the continuation of custody
of Christopher Halliwell
630
00:33:37,236 --> 00:33:39,577
without caution or without any
of the other safeguards
631
00:33:39,578 --> 00:33:41,417
afforded him by PACE,
632
00:33:41,418 --> 00:33:44,372
particularly when en route
to the location of Rebecca Godden,
633
00:33:44,373 --> 00:33:45,577
cannot be justified.
634
00:33:45,578 --> 00:33:48,937
At such time as it became apparent
that Sian O'Callaghan was dead,
635
00:33:48,938 --> 00:33:51,188
you should have stopped the car,
turned it around
636
00:33:51,189 --> 00:33:53,257
and taken Halliwell into custody.
637
00:33:53,258 --> 00:33:56,018
And the panel has a wider duty to perform
638
00:33:56,019 --> 00:33:58,577
in respect to public confidence,
639
00:33:58,578 --> 00:34:01,167
and the message needs to be sent
to other officers
640
00:34:01,168 --> 00:34:04,577
that a detective cannot ignore PACE
to such an extent
641
00:34:04,578 --> 00:34:07,257
without being held fully to account.
642
00:34:07,258 --> 00:34:10,420
And we regard your conduct
as gross misconduct.
643
00:34:11,418 --> 00:34:14,577
On allegation two,
the panel concludes that,
644
00:34:14,578 --> 00:34:16,577
on the balance of probability,
645
00:34:16,578 --> 00:34:19,937
you were given an instruction
by Chief Superintendent Pritchard
646
00:34:19,938 --> 00:34:21,577
to not give interviews to the media.
647
00:34:21,578 --> 00:34:24,134
This is not behaviour we would
expect from a senior officer
648
00:34:24,135 --> 00:34:26,578
and we regard the conduct
as gross misconduct.
649
00:34:28,205 --> 00:34:30,380
These breaches would justify dismissal.
650
00:34:31,578 --> 00:34:34,577
However, taking into account
your previous exemplary record,
651
00:34:34,578 --> 00:34:37,820
the panel has concluded that
the most appropriate sanction...
652
00:34:38,578 --> 00:34:40,578
...is a final written warning.
653
00:34:44,578 --> 00:34:48,577
And I cannot stress how close
you came to losing your job today.
654
00:34:48,578 --> 00:34:51,577
I do hope that you have learnt
from this experience.
655
00:34:51,578 --> 00:34:53,417
It's not right what Fulcher did!
656
00:34:53,418 --> 00:34:56,419
Why should we have to pay with
our pain because of his mistakes?
657
00:34:56,420 --> 00:34:58,578
I've been mentally scarred by this.
658
00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:03,009
It seems to me, come to Swindon
and commit a murder
659
00:35:03,034 --> 00:35:04,423
cos you'll get away with it.
660
00:35:05,778 --> 00:35:07,860
I will never trust the police again.
661
00:35:08,938 --> 00:35:10,578
Never.
662
00:36:04,472 --> 00:36:06,472
I can start back as soon as possible.
663
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:08,471
And you're actually going to?
664
00:36:08,472 --> 00:36:10,471
Well, what else am I going to do?
665
00:36:10,472 --> 00:36:13,020
I'm a police officer. It's all I...
666
00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:16,471
It's all I know, Yvonne!
667
00:36:16,472 --> 00:36:19,471
- And I am fucking good at it!
- Good for you, Steve!
668
00:36:19,472 --> 00:36:21,020
Fuck everyone else!
669
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:39,671
We're very pleased
to have you here, Steve.
670
00:36:39,672 --> 00:36:40,991
Thank you.
671
00:36:40,992 --> 00:36:43,471
- You knew Ray Hayward, is that right?
- Er, yes.
672
00:36:43,472 --> 00:36:44,472
Yes, I liked Ray.
673
00:36:44,473 --> 00:36:47,311
I met him many times in meetings.
674
00:36:47,312 --> 00:36:49,580
He always had an interesting take
on things, you know.
675
00:36:50,472 --> 00:36:52,152
Here we are.
676
00:36:56,472 --> 00:36:58,471
Now, when the word went round
that you were available,
677
00:36:58,472 --> 00:37:01,047
our previous Bobby Van manager
has just retired.
678
00:37:01,048 --> 00:37:02,241
Mm-hm.
679
00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:04,839
- You're obviously a bit overqualified...
- What exactly is Bobby Van?
680
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,671
It's a local initiative to get a van out
681
00:37:06,672 --> 00:37:09,471
to burglary and criminal damage victims
682
00:37:09,472 --> 00:37:12,471
to get their windows and doors
and suchlike fixed up.
683
00:37:12,472 --> 00:37:14,471
Mm-hm. Right.
684
00:37:14,472 --> 00:37:16,151
Well, I'll...
685
00:37:16,152 --> 00:37:17,472
I'll leave you to it.
686
00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:19,471
Give you a chance
to get up to speed on everything.
687
00:37:19,472 --> 00:37:21,472
- Thank you.
- OK.
688
00:37:30,472 --> 00:37:33,700
This is about justice for Becky.
689
00:37:34,472 --> 00:37:36,909
And justice for a brave police officer,
690
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:40,471
whose career has been ruined
just for doing his job.
691
00:37:40,472 --> 00:37:44,471
And over 40,000 people
have signed our petition,
692
00:37:44,472 --> 00:37:47,472
and with the help of our local MP
693
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,511
we are delighted
to be able to deliver our demand
694
00:37:50,512 --> 00:37:54,471
for a change in the law
directly to Mr Cameron.
695
00:37:54,472 --> 00:37:58,180
And this must never be allowed
to happen again.
696
00:37:58,472 --> 00:38:02,831
Will my Right Honourable friend
join our cause for a thorough review
697
00:38:02,832 --> 00:38:06,151
of Code C of
the Police And Criminal Evidence Act
698
00:38:06,152 --> 00:38:10,471
so that terrible situations
like this will not happen again?
699
00:38:10,472 --> 00:38:13,471
I will look very carefully at what
my honourable friend has raised
700
00:38:13,472 --> 00:38:15,831
and the specific case that he mentions,
701
00:38:15,832 --> 00:38:17,471
and look also at this issue
702
00:38:17,472 --> 00:38:19,299
of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act.
703
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,852
It is always important
that all information
704
00:38:21,853 --> 00:38:25,471
that possibly can be put in front of
a court is put in front of the court
705
00:38:25,472 --> 00:38:27,471
so the court can reach the correct, er...
706
00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,152
...the correct decision.
707
00:38:32,638 --> 00:38:35,471
I want you to know
that it's OK to feel happy again.
708
00:38:35,472 --> 00:38:39,471
That, if something good happens,
it's OK to smile
709
00:38:39,472 --> 00:38:41,471
or feel good inside.
710
00:38:41,472 --> 00:38:43,992
It's not betraying Sian
to feel like that.
711
00:38:49,472 --> 00:38:51,471
Me and Pete have decided...
712
00:38:51,472 --> 00:38:53,471
...that we make each other happy.
713
00:38:53,472 --> 00:38:55,472
So, we're going to get married.
714
00:38:57,071 --> 00:38:59,391
And I wanted to tell you before
anyone else,
715
00:38:59,416 --> 00:39:01,416
so you can tell me how you feel about it.
716
00:39:04,472 --> 00:39:05,472
If it's what you want.
717
00:39:05,473 --> 00:39:07,900
- Mm.
- I'm happy for you.
718
00:39:10,472 --> 00:39:11,980
Aiden?
719
00:39:12,472 --> 00:39:14,472
I'm glad that you want to marry Pete.
720
00:39:15,104 --> 00:39:17,104
I just want you to be happy, Mum.
721
00:40:02,572 --> 00:40:04,572
I've had enough, Steve.
722
00:40:07,372 --> 00:40:08,780
I can't take any more.
723
00:40:15,724 --> 00:40:17,724
- OK, if I retire early...
- Mm-hm.
724
00:40:18,832 --> 00:40:20,472
...my pension will be cut.
725
00:40:23,472 --> 00:40:26,312
- We wouldn't have enough to live on.
- I don't care.
726
00:40:46,472 --> 00:40:47,472
Good to see you.
727
00:40:47,473 --> 00:40:49,472
So, this is where we are. Erm...
728
00:40:50,472 --> 00:40:52,471
Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word
729
00:40:52,472 --> 00:40:54,991
and he referred this to Theresa May,
the Home Secretary.
730
00:40:54,992 --> 00:40:56,261
Excellent.
731
00:40:56,262 --> 00:40:59,471
And she referred it to Damian Green,
the Policing Secretary.
732
00:40:59,472 --> 00:41:01,471
And he passed it on to ACPO,
733
00:41:01,472 --> 00:41:03,471
the Association of Chief Police Officers.
734
00:41:03,472 --> 00:41:05,471
- Right.
- And they asked for comments
735
00:41:05,472 --> 00:41:08,471
from the relevant police service,
Wiltshire.
736
00:41:08,472 --> 00:41:10,471
Then they went back to Damian Green
with their recommendation
737
00:41:10,472 --> 00:41:12,980
for no action required.
738
00:41:15,238 --> 00:41:17,238
They advise that Section 11 of PACE
739
00:41:17,263 --> 00:41:20,263
is only applicable to a threat
to life and the recovery of evidence
740
00:41:20,288 --> 00:41:22,288
and, therefore,
didn't apply in this case.
741
00:41:23,672 --> 00:41:25,880
But that's exactly what Steve was doing.
742
00:41:25,905 --> 00:41:28,905
He was trying to save Sian
and recover Becky's body. So...
743
00:41:29,472 --> 00:41:30,740
I'm very sorry.
744
00:41:32,472 --> 00:41:33,472
The pond itself.
745
00:41:33,473 --> 00:41:36,471
And as you can see, we've pulled out
a lot of pieces of clothing.
746
00:41:36,472 --> 00:41:38,471
- That's quite a lot there.
- It is.
747
00:41:38,472 --> 00:41:40,472
What are we up to now?
748
00:41:41,472 --> 00:41:44,311
About 20 items so far.
But I expect that to go up.
749
00:41:44,312 --> 00:41:46,311
We're going to have another scan
of the pond
750
00:41:46,312 --> 00:41:47,471
and see if we can pull anything else out.
751
00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:48,919
We might have missed one or two things.
752
00:41:48,944 --> 00:41:49,978
Sir!
753
00:41:50,472 --> 00:41:51,820
Yeah.
754
00:42:05,472 --> 00:42:06,620
OK. Excellent.
755
00:42:07,352 --> 00:42:09,352
I think that might be Sian's boot.
756
00:42:19,152 --> 00:42:20,860
It was nice of you to come round.
757
00:42:21,472 --> 00:42:24,831
I always felt that,
with everything that happened,
758
00:42:24,832 --> 00:42:27,471
I never really got the chance
to tell you how sorry I was
759
00:42:27,472 --> 00:42:28,472
about what happened to Ray.
760
00:42:30,472 --> 00:42:32,364
Well, it's not been easy for me,
761
00:42:32,389 --> 00:42:36,314
knowing that he was so desperate
and that we couldn't help him.
762
00:42:36,315 --> 00:42:37,472
Thanks.
763
00:42:38,472 --> 00:42:42,472
Look, I can't speak about
the allegations against him, but...
764
00:42:44,472 --> 00:42:46,472
...from my point of view,
he was a good friend.
765
00:42:48,472 --> 00:42:52,472
Yeah. There was a lot I wanted
to say about how he was treated.
766
00:42:55,785 --> 00:42:57,785
It's not worth it, Steve.
767
00:42:58,338 --> 00:43:01,338
I know what's been happening
with you, and it's not worth it.
768
00:43:03,512 --> 00:43:06,472
The job meant everything to Ray,
too. But...
769
00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:09,472
...it wasn't more important
than his children...
770
00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:11,472
...than his life.
771
00:44:03,472 --> 00:44:05,140
Debs?
772
00:44:05,165 --> 00:44:07,165
Are you watching the local news?
773
00:44:10,472 --> 00:44:12,740
I think the timing's
a bit too convenient.
774
00:44:13,185 --> 00:44:14,705
Where was it?
775
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:17,370
They're carrying out a dig
at a spot in Ramsbury.
776
00:44:17,472 --> 00:44:19,471
I think this has come
from some information
777
00:44:19,472 --> 00:44:21,471
passed on by Halliwell's
probation officer.
778
00:44:21,472 --> 00:44:24,471
...the boot in the water
which we have recovered.
779
00:44:24,472 --> 00:44:26,960
So, you were walking
along the lane and...?
780
00:44:26,961 --> 00:44:30,471
Scoping the ponds as to which I thought
781
00:44:30,472 --> 00:44:33,471
would be most likely to deposit property.
782
00:44:33,472 --> 00:44:34,980
Why now?
783
00:44:35,472 --> 00:44:37,831
They've done nothing over the
last 18 months and then suddenly,
784
00:44:37,832 --> 00:44:39,471
"Look what a great job we're doing."
785
00:44:39,472 --> 00:44:40,948
I reckon they're worried about backlash
786
00:44:40,949 --> 00:44:42,512
over the way you've been treated.
787
00:44:43,472 --> 00:44:45,831
He says that numerous items
have been recovered.
788
00:44:45,832 --> 00:44:47,471
Mm. One of 60, I heard.
789
00:44:47,472 --> 00:44:48,511
60?
790
00:44:48,512 --> 00:44:51,472
This could be what
you've been waiting for, Steve.
791
00:44:52,472 --> 00:44:53,831
Yeah, I know.
792
00:44:53,832 --> 00:44:55,471
Bollocks.
793
00:44:55,472 --> 00:44:58,471
- What?
- I handed in my resignation.
794
00:44:58,472 --> 00:44:59,820
I'm no longer a police officer.
62393
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