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[interviewer] Do you like,
would you like to have
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longevity? I mean, you
know, live to you're old.
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-You can be.
-[John laughs]
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[John] You are digging deep.
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This sod is gonna be around
for centuries.
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Watch me now.
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I'm one of the very few
people in pop history
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that just will not go away.
[giggles]
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[music starts]
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[crowd cheering]
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♪ Hello, hello, hello
Hello, hello, hello ♪
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♪ You never listened to
A word that I said ♪
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♪ You only seen me from
The clothes that I wear ♪
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♪ Or did the interest
Go so much deeper ♪
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♪ It must have been
To the color of my hair ♪
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♪ The public image ♪
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♪ Public image you got
What you wanted ♪
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♪ The public image
Belongs to me ♪
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♪ It's my entrance
My own creation ♪
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♪ My grand finale
My goodbye ♪
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♪ Public image ♪
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♪ Goodbye ♪
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[interviewer] You're quite
famous, aren't you?
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[John] Yeah, I suppose so.
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How did all that happen?
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I don't know.
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Through being honest.
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["Anarchy In The UK" playing]
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♪ Right now ♪
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♪ Ha, ha, ha, ha ♪
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[interviewer] And who would
you say is a good singer?
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-I don't.
-[interviewer laughs]
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I don't have any heroes.
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They're all useless.
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[John] When the Sex Pistols
first started,
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I grabbed the opportunity
to just
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yipee-ya-yow all these books
I've read.
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All this knowledge in me head.
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The concept of singing
never occurred to me.
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♪ I want to be ♪
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♪ Anarchy ♪
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[interviewer] What's this thing
you've got against hippies?
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They're complacent.
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Punk was really what
energized people
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to realize that they could
get off their bums
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and make things
happen themselves.
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[interviewer] I think you're
trying to shut people.
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I don't give a shit
what you think.
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I know what I think and that's
all what counts to me.
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Johnny Rotten
was a piece of work.
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I worked on being Johnny Rotten.
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♪ I use the best
I use the rest ♪
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♪ I use the enemy ♪
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And you gotta understand.
This guy, he came
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from relative obscurity.
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to becoming like public enemy
number one in like a few months.
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♪ Anarchist ♪
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♪ Get pissed
Destroy ♪
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[interviewer] How'd you react
to the reputation that
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your group is the most
revolting in the country?
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Look, our group is creating
a generation gap
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for the first time in
five years in this country
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and a lot of people are feeling
genuinely threatened by it.
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If the kids wanna
buy the record,
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it's called "Anarchy in the UK".
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It's out in the shops, they
can make their own decisions.
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[John] This is no fun.
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There's not very much fun
being in a band like that.
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We're completely thrown
in the deep end right
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from the start.
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The sheer drudgery
of having to deal with
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a management that really wasn't
comprehending much at all.
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You know, it was more into
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the sensationalism aspect
of the thing.
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[John laughs] Ever get
the feeling you've been cheated.
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-Good night!
-[crowd cheers]
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"Ever get the feeling
you've been cheated?"
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It's just an off the cuff remark
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but it's based
on so much thought.
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And, and-- and angles
and positions that I've had to,
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like, uh, assume, tolerate
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and, uh, ultimately walk away
from and that's what I did.
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I was expected to live up
to the press' [bleeped].
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-[interviewer] And did you?
-No.
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[interviewer] Well, take
for instance, um...
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That's why I was disliked.
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-[interviewer] Well, take for--
-I will not be a puppet.
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I will not act out
somebody else's pantomime.
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I was fighting this, uh,
ridiculous court case
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with Malcolm
and the Sex Pistols.
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The situation was, uh, legally
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until it was proved in court,
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couldn't use the name
Johnny Rotten.
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'Cause it was contested so...
John Lydon it was.
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Particularly, the management
financially wanted to wreck me
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and all's I had really was
the, uh, the deeds of
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the, uh, flat in Gunter Grove.
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It was very nice of the manager
in hindsight to credit himself
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for the great, many things.
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But he could not in any way,
shape or form, say, he created
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me, Steve, Paul, Glen or Sid.
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If you'd spend half an hour
with John Lydon, you knew
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that he wasn't invented.
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His personal history and his
life was what he was all about.
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Meningitis has been
the one thing I've
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always struggled with.
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So my mom
and dad are very quiet.
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And being the eldest
and being ill
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all the time when I was young,
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I didn't really express
meself very well.
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They hardly knew I was ill.
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'Till, you know, he hasn't
moved now for two weeks.
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I think he's ill. [laughs]
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I'd have fits and I suppose,
like, acid trip delusions.
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That's when they brought me
to the hospital 'cause the brain
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was completely gone on me.
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And I-- and I felt a bit like
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like an observer inside
my own head.
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Meningitis,
I don't, mind you, I was seven
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but what it did was it put me
into a coma for three months.
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Lost my memory when
I came out of that.
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Didn't know anybody or anything.
Didn't recognize my parents.
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And, of course,
it made common sense
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when the doctors and nurses go
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"But don't you think it must
have come from somewhere?"
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Yeah. But where?
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Well, why would we lie to you?
This is where you come from.
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Oh, me gosh,
when that comes around to you
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and you realize, um...
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you didn't even remember your
own parents, you feel so guilty.
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I've got such clear, painful
memories of that, that feeling.
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Gah, that was a lot
to go through.
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And there were moments
in the next few years
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where I've had freak-outs.
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They'd have to call in people.
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There was one particular moment.
I remember it very, very well.
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I've talked to my
mother after about it.
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There's a bunch of complete
strangers in white coats going,
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um, "Are not happy here?
Do you want to leave?"
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"We'll take care of you."
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And they seemed ever so
much more frightening
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than a situation I wasn't, uh,
feeling very, like, safe with.
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And, and that was a very good
decision to not go with that.
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And it went on like that for
a whole, quite few years.
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I took on the role of looking
out for my younger brothers.
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So I acted like
a surrogate parent
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'cause my father worked
away a lot of the time,
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my mother was ill
almost all of the time.
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I find myself back
in the family.
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And then the memories
would flood back in.
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and I'd realize I was
in a family after all.
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And I had a second chance.
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Because when you lose
your memory
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and it takes you four years
to get it back.
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You got an awful long time
as a young kid
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to work things out.
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I loved being the DJ as a child.
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When Mom and Dad
would come back from the pub
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with all their friends.
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I'd be the one
that would put the records on.
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And I'd watch them
all night dancing.
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I knew what would
next get them.
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You know, I remember he's
having mad parties around here.
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Dancing on a table and breaking
a table and John's dad...
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Next day, he's fixing a table
but he's putting
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industrial bolts for it, like,
you know what I mean?
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Everybody is to mix and match,
you know?
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If, if mom and dad were having
a party at your house,
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well then, you go next
door on your own.
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Whoever that would be would be
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anyone that lived
in neighborhood.
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[Reggie] Fins Park is a kind
of place where...
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They're for everyone together.
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Black, white, yellow,
pink, blue.
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Greek, Irish, Jamaican.
And um...
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You'd gonna get on with it.
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[Johnny] I'd DJ'd reggae
when I headed down to here
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in a reggae club. Deep reggae.
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Finsbury Park.
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You know, it's part
of my background.
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After the Sex Pistols,
Mr. Richard Branson,
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the owner of Virgin Records
asked me
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to, uh, be some kind of adviser
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to what was good or bad reggae.
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Imma browsing the sounds office,
wrapping the paper for the week.
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And the phone rang.
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And John was on the phone,
he was with Richard Branson,
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and he was like,
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"How'd you fancy coming
to Jamaica with me?"
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And then I ran into
Don on the 52 Bus.
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'Cause we lived around
the corner from each other.
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Next thing I knew,
Don was coming too.
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Right when I crossed the
islands, on the jungle drums.
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Rich, white man, signing up,
reggae artist.
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And for the next two weeks,
there was like...
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exodus of musicians.
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to the Sheraton,
trying to get a deal.
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That's was where we'd make
the deal. At the Sheraton.
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Johnny Rotten
was there with him.
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He's a fan of mine.
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[Vivien] They would look at John
and sometimes they would say,
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"Look!", I can't do the action.
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"It's not him. It's him who did
God save the Queen!"
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And then all of a sudden,
"Yestreen, we Rasta."
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While John was in Jamaica,
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Malcolm was trying to shoot
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The Great Rock 'N Roll Swindle.
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And he sent a cameraman
over to film John secretly.
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It was like a
Keystone Cops film.
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Because we had this suite,
like, on the level
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with the swimming pool,
when then
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people be lurking in the bushes.
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Trying to get secret
footage of me.
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[laughs]
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And I took it kind
of as a compliment.
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You don't want me around.
You don't wanna work with me.
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But you can't work without me.
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I worked with Malcolm on a point
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that we started
making that film.
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Basically, the band split.
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And I was still wanting
to make this film.
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At the time, we did
laugh about it.
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But it, it was sort of
covering up something
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which was John busting out,
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trying to discover who he could
be as an artist in his own way.
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It was very, very good
going to Jamaica for me. It was.
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It cleared my head in many ways.
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I'm grateful about that
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but the way the record company
were viewing
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the outcome of that
would be was, was
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very, very different from
where my head was going.
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[music plays]
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[interviewer] What's
stopping you forming
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another band
or doing something...?
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[John] It's called
Malcolm McLaren.
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As soon as I get him off my
back, I'll be able to continue.
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Until then, I can't release
anything without him taking
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a great, big, fat share
of the profit.
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Would you like to start
another band?
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Yes, I am. I'm rehearsing like
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all the time with
loads of people.
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[interviewer] A lot of
people think that maybe
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your first record would be
a reggae record.
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A lot of people
are totally wrong.
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[interviewer laughs]
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But you have formed
a band already?
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No.
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But you're
rehearsing with people?
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Yeah. They change every night.
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[laughter]
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For obvious reasons.
Personality differences.
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I got back to London. I wanted
immediately to start a new band
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and one that would
approach it without that
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media mockery attached.
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So I used the term
"Public Image Limited".
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And Public Image was a book
written by Muriel Spark.
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Then it's about that
media side of things
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can lead to deaths
and destructions.
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It was quite poignant for me.
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Um, I was able to get a deal for
PiL as a tag-on for the Pistols.
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So, we're off.
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But the record company
was unamused
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by the band members
that I picked.
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They wanted to see big names.
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I was completely uninterested
in the prospect of that.
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Wobble was a very
good friend of mine.
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And he was just
about on the verge of
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learning how to play. Perfect.
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Just when I'm thinking, God,
what I'm going to do meself,
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I got a phone call
from John at home.
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He said, "Would you come over?
Do you wanna be in a band?"
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So I was, "Wow. Fantastic."
You know?
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[John] Jump from here.
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Keith Levene. I thought
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he was the best thing
in The Clash.
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He was very unhappy.
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And I was unhappy
in the Pistols.
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The night that I really
bonded well with Keith,
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just, "I've had enough!"
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And so, when the Pistols finally
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fell apart, it was automatic
that we work together.
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Next thing I knew, John was
saying, "Let's do it."
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And I knew Wobble.
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And I said, "We want
to use Wobble."
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Wow, you know, what a guitarist.
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You know, that's a real,
his own sound there.
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You know? That's credibly rich.
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And of course, it was all
fine to do it but actually,
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I suspect he's
classically trained.
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I mean he's very well-educated.
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How many fucking
genius can go...
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[plays guitar]
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You know, I mean how
many times, yeah?
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[John] And Jim Walker
responded to an advert.
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[Jim] I walked in the room
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and there is another drummer
sitting there.
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And I just wanted to pick him up
and throw him out of the room.
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'Cause I was gonna get the job
as far as I was concerned.
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I just remember thinking,
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"This bloke's really good.
This is the one."
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Rotten's girlfriend came, Nora,
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and that's when I knew this is
a big band, when I saw her.
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She was this blonde
statuesque, German girl.
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Woman. No, she's a grown woman.
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And I thought,
"Well, women like that
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don't hang around nobodies."
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So we'd managed to scrape
and get together some pennies.
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Well, I had to, 'cause
nobody else had any money.
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Then started rehearsing
and the songs just flowed.
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["Public Image" playing]
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♪ Hello, hello, hello
Hello, hello, hello ♪
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♪ You never listened
To a word that I said ♪
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♪ You only seen me from
The clothes that I wear ♪
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♪ Or did the interest
Go so much deeper ♪
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♪ It must have been
To the color of my hair ♪
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♪ The public image ♪
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We recorded the backing
tracks of the "Public Image"
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in this studio called Wessex
in North London.
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That's where Roxy Music
and the Sex Pistols were.
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And they had a genius
of an engineer named Bill Price.
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He was so cool to work with.
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We didn't work with
him after that. [laughs]
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An assistant engineer,
with a bit of a tough guy
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kind of vibe.
And they treated me,
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I felt a bit
disrespectfully at a pop, so...
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I bashed him up as I recall.
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And we had to get out
of there quick.
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I mean, the place was cool.
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Welcome to your
first recording session.
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♪ Public image ♪
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We were quite a wild band.
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And we'd drink
and we caused trouble.
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There's always a huge
undercurrent of
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potential danger at all times.
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The way that record starts out
with Jah Wobble's baseline, um,
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that really in a, in a way
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really changed the landscape.
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It was like a, you know, a
diagram of how to write a song.
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For us at least. For me,
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base starts and then
the whole thing kicks in.
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♪ The public image
Belongs to me ♪
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♪ It's my entrance
My own creation ♪
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♪ My grand finale
My goodbye ♪
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The PiL's first single had
a kind of purity and ambition
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and experimentation about it
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that really seems
to point to the future.
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And it was a great
vindication of John that
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out of what happened
at the end of the Sex Pistols.
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To come straight out of that
with this, this new sound.
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It was really impressive.
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♪ Goodbye ♪
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So I think everybody was like
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probably looking, thinking
he was gonna fall down
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after the Sex Pistols.
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And, uh, it was really,
I think they were like, "Wow"
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This is really, really good.
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And then they were really
disappointed when they heard
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the rest of the album.
[laughs]
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My friends, they sort of thought
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the Public Image album
would sound like that.
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And then you get
into like "Annalisa"
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and some of the darker tracks.
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"Annalisa".
It was a bizarre story.
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It's about a young
14-year old girl in Germany.
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Her parents were convinced
she was possessed by demons.
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That's when they called
in a priest and, uh,
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and, uh, they suffocated
her while
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trying to ex-communicate
these demons.
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It actually killed
the poor girl.
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♪ Annalisa Annalisa ♪
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♪ Annalisa Annalisa ♪
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When I went to school,
a Catholic school,
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there's the quiet threat.
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"Why don't you be an altar boy,
a good little Catholic?"
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You know not to go
anywhere near the priests.
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They get you on your own,
anything could happen.
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We will all deliberately
howl out tune.
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'Cause you know, you'd be
unacceptable for that role.
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They were scary monsters
to me, the priests.
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You couldn't accurately
describe physical molestation.
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You knew it was going on
from the gossip.
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And you do everyday to be
perceived as ugly and useless.
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Funny how I used all
that years later.
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[laughs]
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My first gig was
in Belgium with Bill.
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And there were some guy
who was going like...
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in front of the stage.
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So like, so I went up
and kicked him in the face.
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It turned out he was the head
of security at the gaff.
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I mean, what was the head
of security
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threatening me for anyways?
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It was just war.
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We were kept until four
in the morning by
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40 bikers that
wanted to kill us.
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We ended up barricaded in
the, uh, dressing room.
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♪ Absurd ♪
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♪This is religion ♪
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♪ There's a liar on the altar ♪
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00:20:59,127 --> 00:21:02,565
♪ The sermon never falter ♪
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♪ This is religion ♪
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00:21:10,312 --> 00:21:12,662
We were getting along
perfectly and then,
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00:21:12,749 --> 00:21:15,622
then the question came
up about money.
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00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,625
And, um, control.
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00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:20,627
I always assumed we'd just
be four people like
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The Beatles were four equal
people in their band.
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And I knew Rotten had
been in the Pistols obviously,
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and obviously,
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he was big and we weren't
but we were all great musicians
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and I know he couldn't have
done it without us, I figured.
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When PiL formed,
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I, I thought he's me mate
and I'll trust him.
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You know, famous last words
in the music business.
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It'll comes down
to the money and, uh,
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there really wasn't the money
there.
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I couldn't afford to keep them
in, in regular wages
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and that led to all
kinds of problems.
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'Cause I, I ultimately was
paying for everything.
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[choir singing in
the background]
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We couldn't have, have shops
open at Sundays
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00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:10,372
and nothing could be done
on Christmas Day at all.
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It actually wasn't against
the law
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but it was presumed it was
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because of religious dogma.
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00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,945
I was quite freaked out at that
because, you know, why would
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00:22:18,032 --> 00:22:20,208
anybody wanna go to a gig
on Christmas Day
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00:22:20,295 --> 00:22:21,992
when there's no,
there's no transport.
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00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,647
John's brother, Jimmy,
asked me to do the security.
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00:22:24,734 --> 00:22:28,085
'Cause I was the face
of football in them days.
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00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:31,480
We basically crewed most
of the Arsenal to do security.
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♪ Ego-maniac traitor ♪
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Allow people to be entertained
on Christmas Day, you know.
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00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:42,709
Why is that against the law?
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00:22:44,014 --> 00:22:46,016
[crowd cheers]
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00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:49,324
[Jim] It can go this way
and that was it,
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00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:51,457
I walked out
and everyone burned.
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00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:53,241
'Cause I knew that
it wasn't gonna
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00:22:53,328 --> 00:22:55,025
get me anywhere being
in that band.
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00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:57,637
[Jim] Just being used,
basically.
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00:22:57,724 --> 00:22:59,943
[Johnny] I was really upset
with Jim Walker leaving
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00:23:00,030 --> 00:23:03,860
because I thought he
was an incredible talent.
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00:23:03,947 --> 00:23:07,734
In my view, we never
bested Jim Walker
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00:23:07,821 --> 00:23:10,084
and, and you lost a sense
of the band.
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00:23:11,607 --> 00:23:14,567
It was, uh, an immediate
disaster, wasn't it?
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00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:16,917
That, but still had to
get on with it.
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00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:20,399
Still had to like
progress and continue.
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00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:23,924
So then it was just kind
of me, John, and Keith.
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00:23:29,756 --> 00:23:31,758
Vicious' nude body
was found today
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by his mother
in a Greenwich Village apartment
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00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:36,502
one day after he
was released from jail.
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00:23:36,589 --> 00:23:37,981
He died of what's described
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00:23:38,068 --> 00:23:40,680
as an accidental type
drug overdose.
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00:23:40,767 --> 00:23:44,031
And that's really where, where
the "Sid legend" comes from.
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00:23:44,118 --> 00:23:46,033
It was a press campaign.
[laughs]
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00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:49,602
Rather than a, a
ground swell on the streets.
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00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:53,475
And it do, just, you know,
with the death of my mate
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00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:55,695
which made me very angry.
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00:23:55,782 --> 00:23:58,001
It is when it went
into '79, it was
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00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:00,439
really, really like a pool
kind of depression.
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00:24:00,526 --> 00:24:02,266
The PiL camp was a little dark.
462
00:24:02,353 --> 00:24:04,355
I mean, everyone
was doing something
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00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,445
and some were doing everything.
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00:24:06,532 --> 00:24:08,490
But some were going up,
some were going down.
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00:24:08,577 --> 00:24:10,579
And some were going sideways.
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00:24:10,666 --> 00:24:13,887
I remember getting on the tube,
going to rehearse with PiL,
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00:24:13,974 --> 00:24:15,628
and saw Keith there.
468
00:24:15,715 --> 00:24:18,979
And I went and sat opposite him
and he was nodding off,
469
00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:20,937
just like that,
470
00:24:21,024 --> 00:24:23,679
this guy, molding,
so I went, "Keith."
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00:24:23,766 --> 00:24:25,986
And he just, he was gone.
And then I said to myself,
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00:24:26,073 --> 00:24:28,379
"Johnny Boy" I said,
talking to myself.
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00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,556
"Make the most of this."
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00:24:30,643 --> 00:24:33,907
Wobble and Keith never
seen eye to eye.
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00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:37,084
Trying to, um, make
these things work.
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00:24:37,171 --> 00:24:41,218
That was so profoundly
different in their approaches.
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00:24:41,305 --> 00:24:44,047
♪ In your eyes ♪
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00:24:44,134 --> 00:24:47,007
Keith was out, commissioned
for longer periods.
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00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:50,097
And I'd be a bit softed up.
Trying to get stuff happening.
480
00:24:50,184 --> 00:24:51,838
We started working in a manner.
481
00:24:51,925 --> 00:24:54,101
John, in a bit of a
slop of depression,
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00:24:54,188 --> 00:24:55,668
wanted to watch telly a lot.
483
00:24:55,755 --> 00:24:57,931
'Cause a man died
who was close to him.
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00:24:58,018 --> 00:25:03,110
♪ Never say the way
Told me in your eyes ♪
485
00:25:03,197 --> 00:25:06,505
[John] Hell on earth, really.
Hell on earth.
486
00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:09,812
It was too confusing
and upsetting and I tried
487
00:25:09,899 --> 00:25:12,598
juxtapositional these
different things in my head
488
00:25:12,685 --> 00:25:15,035
and deal with them accurately.
489
00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:17,951
Led to an excellent song
called "Deaf Disco".
490
00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:20,997
But I already had the song
in my head for
491
00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:23,652
my mama, I sang it
to her at the hospital.
492
00:25:23,739 --> 00:25:25,524
This should be fought per leave
and we got back to
493
00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:28,657
recording it. It was, uh...
494
00:25:28,744 --> 00:25:31,486
so upsetting and my dad just,
495
00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:34,315
"You can't say that.
She's dying."
496
00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:36,796
And she laughed.
497
00:25:36,883 --> 00:25:40,887
And found it great fun
and I think...
498
00:25:40,974 --> 00:25:43,846
I think, honesty, when people
are on their deathbed,
499
00:25:43,933 --> 00:25:47,328
it's the most important thing
you can deliver to them.
500
00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:53,203
♪ Never really know ♪
501
00:25:56,859 --> 00:26:00,254
♪ Never realize ♪
502
00:26:04,737 --> 00:26:09,219
♪ Silence in your eyes ♪
503
00:26:10,438 --> 00:26:14,268
♪ Silence in your eyes ♪
504
00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,362
[John] We did actually audition
many drummers.
505
00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:22,493
"Here's a new drummer."
506
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,060
"Okay, set up."
507
00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:25,453
"We'll just leave the tape
running anyway
508
00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,368
and see if we can work
around it."
509
00:26:27,455 --> 00:26:28,891
Well, there's all manners.
510
00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:31,981
Reggae drummers turned up,
disco drummers.
511
00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,685
I spoke to Keith.
And Keith said,
512
00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:42,383
"We're doing something
at the townhouse this weekend."
513
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:45,560
I thought, oh, this is my, you
know, I should learn the songs
514
00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:48,345
'cause we're gonna obviously
be rehearsing.
515
00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:51,261
I walked into the studio
and over in the distance,
516
00:26:51,348 --> 00:26:53,873
there's a glass, plexiglass room
517
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,571
with the orange Rogers drum kit.
518
00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:58,399
And so I was like, yeah,
"Here we go!"
519
00:26:58,486 --> 00:26:59,530
"Here we go what?"
520
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:01,620
"Rolling!"
521
00:27:01,707 --> 00:27:03,796
And we did Bad Baby.
Me and Wobble did Bad Baby.
522
00:27:03,883 --> 00:27:06,363
And, uh, in one take.
523
00:27:08,844 --> 00:27:12,979
[John] We really didn't have
the money to screw around.
524
00:27:13,066 --> 00:27:15,590
We spent all our money
on sillynesses
525
00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:17,636
like the album cover. [laughs]
526
00:27:18,332 --> 00:27:20,900
And, had no studio time,
527
00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,772
what we do is we'd find out
what time
528
00:27:23,859 --> 00:27:28,255
certain bands would, uh, finish
their sessions. We'd go in.
529
00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:33,608
When Metal Box came out,
530
00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:35,566
some people loved it,
some people hated it.
531
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:39,745
To a 14, 15-year old guy,
it came in a metal tin, right?
532
00:27:39,832 --> 00:27:41,660
[laughs] Which...
533
00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:45,228
no other records did and, and it
was just such an exciting idea.
534
00:27:45,315 --> 00:27:47,404
Metal Box like...
535
00:27:47,491 --> 00:27:50,451
It, it changed my life.
That record.
536
00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:52,061
It changed the way
I look at music.
537
00:27:52,148 --> 00:27:53,628
For me, it's up there.
Like the great, electric
538
00:27:53,715 --> 00:27:55,325
bass records, just as
a bass player
539
00:27:55,412 --> 00:27:57,501
of all times.
540
00:27:57,588 --> 00:27:58,894
Like Marvin Gaye What's
Going On with James Jamerson.
541
00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:01,331
All the James Brown stuff.
542
00:28:01,418 --> 00:28:05,509
Family Man with Bob Marley.
And Jah Wobble on Metal Box.
543
00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:09,122
That sound, that style of play
changed everything for me.
544
00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:11,994
And when I first listened to it,
it didn't make sense to me.
545
00:28:12,081 --> 00:28:13,648
And then after about a month,
546
00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:15,824
I completely
fell in love with it.
547
00:28:15,911 --> 00:28:17,652
You know, and still to this day,
Second Edition,
548
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:19,654
uh, that's what's called
in the state or
549
00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:21,830
Metal Box is one of my
favorite albums ever made.
550
00:28:21,917 --> 00:28:23,353
It was a huge record.
551
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,485
It was like, that was like
the White album
552
00:28:24,572 --> 00:28:25,878
in the underground or something.
553
00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:28,010
It was crazy. How the whole...
554
00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:30,447
people discussed that
record in a way.
555
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,953
[John]
It's, uh, it's about a rape
556
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,173
of a young girl who was
picked up and driven off
557
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:02,523
to the forest in a
Japanese car.
558
00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:06,701
And the only thing she could
remember was, uh, the cassette
559
00:29:06,788 --> 00:29:10,226
on the car, the cassette player
played "Poptones".
560
00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:12,533
And so I, I pieced
the song together
561
00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:14,840
around those initial facts.
562
00:29:16,102 --> 00:29:19,845
I don't mean to be profiteering
out of pain but sometimes
563
00:29:19,932 --> 00:29:22,848
you know, if you analyze
the situation,
564
00:29:22,935 --> 00:29:26,765
it might in the future help stop
such things happening.
565
00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:28,941
♪ Side ♪
566
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:35,295
♪ Pop tones ♪
567
00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:42,650
[Martin] I used to go
and hang out at Gunter Grove
568
00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:44,434
pretty much every weekend.
569
00:29:44,521 --> 00:29:48,177
Uh, get my wages, get my speed.
570
00:29:48,264 --> 00:29:50,876
I don't know that
I was particularly
571
00:29:50,963 --> 00:29:53,748
close with John or anybody.
572
00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,576
I got along pretty
good with Wobble.
573
00:29:56,664 --> 00:29:59,754
To the point where, um,
574
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:02,017
Wobble invited me to
work on the new,
575
00:30:02,104 --> 00:30:04,803
uh, demos for
the next PiL album.
576
00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:06,761
♪ The lack in yourself ♪
577
00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:10,069
♪ It is your nature ♪
578
00:30:10,156 --> 00:30:13,463
The one thing I could do
was book a ton of studio time
579
00:30:13,550 --> 00:30:15,074
whenever I wanted it for meself.
580
00:30:15,161 --> 00:30:17,250
And I could also do
backing tracks for PiL.
581
00:30:17,337 --> 00:30:19,426
We went down to the studio.
I told John,
582
00:30:19,513 --> 00:30:21,820
"Oh my God, this stuff's
coming along really good."
583
00:30:21,907 --> 00:30:23,909
And he was just like...
[laughs]
584
00:30:23,996 --> 00:30:25,954
It took like a month
or two for me
585
00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:28,304
to find out we weren't
working on PiL stuff.
586
00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:37,923
Jah Wobble did
a record, Betrayal
587
00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:40,795
where he'd cover Fats Domino's
"Blueberry Hill".
588
00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:43,929
It didn't cross my
mind for a second
589
00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:46,105
that anyone would think it
was to do with anyone
590
00:30:46,192 --> 00:30:48,629
betraying anybody
in Public Image.
591
00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:51,197
And I think I, I played
and co-wrote
592
00:30:51,284 --> 00:30:55,897
four or five of the tracks
on Wobble's Betrayal album.
593
00:30:55,984 --> 00:30:59,858
And then, I guess
something happened.
594
00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:01,990
We're in the Manor and, um,
595
00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:04,123
Wobble decided to go to town for
596
00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:06,299
the weekend. It was off.
It was alright.
597
00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:11,130
On a Saturday, I wanted to go
in and, uh, the master was gone.
598
00:31:11,217 --> 00:31:15,351
And I searched high and low
and then it comes to pass
599
00:31:15,438 --> 00:31:19,529
that he'd taken it to London
to record over his own stuff.
600
00:31:19,616 --> 00:31:22,532
And then, he thought he'd sneak
it back in, Sunday night.
601
00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:26,014
Well, we were there sitting,
waiting, weren't we?
602
00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:29,496
Nobody complained about me
making solo records.
603
00:31:29,583 --> 00:31:32,368
John and Keith were
really pissed at Wobble.
604
00:31:32,455 --> 00:31:36,459
For using some PiL tapes,
I don't know what was going on.
605
00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:39,898
And he's destroying the
bigger potential for this
606
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:42,030
egotistical thing on the side.
607
00:31:42,117 --> 00:31:44,685
You know, sooner or later,
we would find out.
608
00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:47,340
You think we're that dumb?
[scoffs]
609
00:31:47,427 --> 00:31:49,908
"Oh look, isn't that
a PiL backing track?"
610
00:31:49,995 --> 00:31:52,519
"Oh it sounds like it, did it?"
611
00:31:52,606 --> 00:31:53,868
[laughs]
612
00:31:53,955 --> 00:31:56,436
[music playing]
613
00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:02,224
♪ Character
Deep in your nature ♪
614
00:32:02,311 --> 00:32:06,054
♪ Take one example
Sample and hold ♪
615
00:32:08,883 --> 00:32:10,798
[Thurston] When they came
to New York,
616
00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:12,539
it was a real bummer for me
617
00:32:12,626 --> 00:32:15,150
because I was in this band
called The Coachmen.
618
00:32:15,237 --> 00:32:17,457
And we had a show
the same night as the first
619
00:32:17,544 --> 00:32:20,199
Public Image show which
was at this place,
620
00:32:20,286 --> 00:32:23,028
The Palladium in New York.
621
00:32:23,115 --> 00:32:26,031
New York City.
My first time in the States.
622
00:32:26,118 --> 00:32:28,903
Here we fucking go, right?
And it sold out.
623
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:32,080
This person crawls
on stage like...
624
00:32:32,167 --> 00:32:35,214
"What's going on?" like yeah,
"John and Keith!"
625
00:32:35,301 --> 00:32:37,477
"I've gone back to the hotel."
626
00:32:39,653 --> 00:32:40,654
"What?"
627
00:32:42,134 --> 00:32:43,918
It's filthy embarrassing,
you know?
628
00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:47,008
Especially as I knew a lot
the audience has finally got it.
629
00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:50,011
[faint cheering crowd]
630
00:32:50,098 --> 00:32:52,057
You know, maybe, we're
just gonna crew out
631
00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:54,102
a list of songs here...
632
00:32:54,189 --> 00:32:58,324
[noisy background]
633
00:33:01,675 --> 00:33:06,593
[music starts playing]
634
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,075
[Martin] Next night, we played
Great Gildersleeves.
635
00:33:10,162 --> 00:33:12,425
I think I started to experience
at that time,
636
00:33:12,512 --> 00:33:14,340
charisma.
637
00:33:14,427 --> 00:33:16,516
He could stare down at an
audience and keep them at bay.
638
00:33:16,603 --> 00:33:17,778
And John certainly could.
639
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,739
[upbeat music]
640
00:34:09,438 --> 00:34:11,962
Joining me are Mr. John Lydon
who used to be known as
641
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,313
Johnny Rotten and
Mr. Keith Levene
642
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,098
and they are both associated now
in something which is called
643
00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:19,666
Public Image Limited.
644
00:34:19,753 --> 00:34:23,148
What is that? Is it a band?
Is it a public relations firm?
645
00:34:23,235 --> 00:34:25,106
What is it doing? What is it?
646
00:34:25,193 --> 00:34:28,153
We ain't no band.
We're a company. Simple.
647
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:30,111
Nothing to do with Rock 'N Roll.
648
00:34:30,198 --> 00:34:32,200
All they talked about,
uh, you know,
649
00:34:32,287 --> 00:34:34,420
umbrellas, companies,
and companies
650
00:34:34,507 --> 00:34:37,336
and the standard album was
all just nonsense really.
651
00:34:37,423 --> 00:34:39,468
What we needed to
do was gone play shows.
652
00:34:39,555 --> 00:34:43,429
And I think the reason
it's a good idea
653
00:34:43,516 --> 00:34:45,126
not to be a Rock 'N Roll band
654
00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:47,694
to concentrate or
direct out energies
655
00:34:47,781 --> 00:34:50,479
as a company is because...
656
00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,177
[John] Well, look to
the future, right...
657
00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:54,048
[overlapping dialogue]
658
00:34:54,135 --> 00:34:58,792
[overlapping dialogue]
659
00:34:58,879 --> 00:35:00,663
[John] ...days are here.
660
00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:02,012
Excuse me. We were talking
while you were interrupting
661
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,623
-I have to do...
-[John laughs]
662
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,321
-...continue not for long.
-[John] Humor me.
663
00:35:06,408 --> 00:35:08,193
I think it was
important for them
664
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,151
to sort of do
something like that.
665
00:35:10,238 --> 00:35:12,197
To not wanna be a part of
666
00:35:12,284 --> 00:35:14,373
anything that becomes
sort of standardized
667
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:16,505
or corporatized, you know,
by the industry,
668
00:35:16,592 --> 00:35:19,247
you know, being a Rock 'N Roll
band, you know, how boring.
669
00:35:19,334 --> 00:35:21,075
Why be something
that you're not?
670
00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:23,469
Or why be something
that everybody else is?
671
00:35:23,556 --> 00:35:25,471
The whole PiL being
a corporation, I think,
672
00:35:25,558 --> 00:35:28,126
stylistically, that's where
their ideas were coming from.
673
00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:30,911
From the whole acronym PiL,
674
00:35:30,998 --> 00:35:32,521
the whole, um, presentation of
675
00:35:32,608 --> 00:35:34,132
everything was done
in a very kind of, uh,
676
00:35:34,219 --> 00:35:37,483
they were taking tips from
the corporate world
677
00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:39,528
and putting a twist on it
like John always does.
678
00:35:39,615 --> 00:35:43,402
Well, we're still a company.
We always have been.
679
00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:46,709
Rather than a pop band
rented by a record label
680
00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,537
and told what to do.
681
00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:50,844
[music playing]
682
00:35:54,369 --> 00:35:56,937
Went to America, toured America.
683
00:35:57,024 --> 00:35:59,766
And then, came back
684
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:01,594
and, uh, went to the house.
685
00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:04,466
I knew there was money
in cash in a shoe box.
686
00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:09,079
I see it and now I'm done.
687
00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:11,299
And I'm taking the box of cash
with me so I took off.
688
00:36:11,386 --> 00:36:13,171
Shoe box for the cash. And went
689
00:36:13,258 --> 00:36:15,129
back off to America
on a holiday.
690
00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:17,784
Hard to fund a bird car.
Or make.
691
00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,439
He's such a used car salesman.
692
00:36:20,526 --> 00:36:24,312
He's so prone to doing those
what we call shifty maneuvers.
693
00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:27,446
It's, uh, street-y
kind of behavior.
694
00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:30,927
And it's a kind of behavior
that doesn't belong in a band.
695
00:36:33,365 --> 00:36:35,802
When I left, I said,
"John, I'm gonna leave."
696
00:36:35,889 --> 00:36:37,934
"Okay-fucking-bye." [scoffs]
697
00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:39,719
[laughs] "See you later."
698
00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:45,203
[John] Using PiL material
to record his own stuff,
699
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:47,683
that kind of, um, selfishness
700
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:52,122
is really hard to, to
understand or tolerate
701
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:54,299
by me because, um,
702
00:36:54,386 --> 00:36:57,998
what was contributed
very, very well
703
00:36:58,085 --> 00:37:00,261
but he took more than he gave.
704
00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:05,397
[crowd cheers]
705
00:37:11,098 --> 00:37:13,361
I don't see the need to lie.
706
00:37:13,448 --> 00:37:16,799
I've been lied to and
I know the pain of that.
707
00:37:18,801 --> 00:37:23,241
I want you to imagine you've
lost your memory completely.
708
00:37:23,328 --> 00:37:26,069
Now, when you're seven
or eight years old,
709
00:37:26,156 --> 00:37:28,811
it's a little bit
more destructive.
710
00:37:28,898 --> 00:37:33,207
And so, the hurt of a lie
really, really
711
00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:36,036
affects you for the
rest of your life.
712
00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:46,438
I was in Ireland
713
00:37:46,525 --> 00:37:49,049
to see my brother's band,
the 4" Be 2"s.
714
00:37:49,136 --> 00:37:51,965
And, uh, off-duty policeman
715
00:37:52,052 --> 00:37:53,532
behaved quite aggressive
in a pub.
716
00:37:53,619 --> 00:37:55,577
I didn't know there
were policemen.
717
00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:59,668
You know, until a push comes
to shove, you shove back.
718
00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:06,022
It was upsetting because
we spent our week in Mountjoy.
719
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:10,810
That was a serious piece
of jail to have to be in.
720
00:38:11,985 --> 00:38:15,118
And then, I immediately went
back to London and
721
00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:17,338
went straight into
the studio and
722
00:38:17,425 --> 00:38:19,775
started working on
The Flowers of Romance.
723
00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:22,909
We only had like a few
weeks to do this
724
00:38:22,996 --> 00:38:26,739
before he was gonna,
you know, be sentenced.
725
00:38:28,001 --> 00:38:32,919
[John] I had a studio book.
I had me in it.
726
00:38:33,006 --> 00:38:34,921
And I had no one around me
727
00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:38,577
because there was no band and I
had to do the best I could.
728
00:38:38,664 --> 00:38:43,103
[Nick] Keith sometimes coming in
in a great mood plays something.
729
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:46,149
It was brilliant.
And then disappear
730
00:38:46,236 --> 00:38:48,108
and then come back
731
00:38:48,195 --> 00:38:52,721
and he'd listen to what he'd
done earlier and hate it.
732
00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:54,593
[John] We were so out of
tune with each other.
733
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,725
And I just got out
of Mountjoy jail.
734
00:38:56,812 --> 00:39:00,512
You know, I was full
of the gifts of life, I'm free!
735
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,776
And I wanted to
work, work and work.
736
00:39:03,863 --> 00:39:06,300
The way that most of
the songs came about
737
00:39:06,387 --> 00:39:08,955
on Flowers of Romance was
738
00:39:09,042 --> 00:39:12,175
that Martin Atkins would come in
739
00:39:12,262 --> 00:39:15,178
relatively early when I came in.
740
00:39:15,265 --> 00:39:18,268
And I got these huge drum sounds
741
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,620
with no particular
drum part in mine's.
742
00:39:21,707 --> 00:39:25,972
♪ Down in the dark
Tell us a story ♪
743
00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:29,454
♪ From the room below ♪
744
00:39:29,541 --> 00:39:33,458
[Martin] I had a Mickey Mouse
watch from Disneyland.
745
00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:37,331
And I, I slept with it
under my pillow.
746
00:39:37,418 --> 00:39:40,073
Speeding, couldn't sleep
and I heard those
747
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,772
[imitates beats]
748
00:39:43,859 --> 00:39:46,819
And I was like, just, I could
hear these beats in my head.
749
00:39:46,906 --> 00:39:50,866
Nick was fucking awesome. He put
the watch on the floor tom-tom.
750
00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:53,129
Like "What is he doing?",
"So it's gonna resonate."
751
00:39:53,216 --> 00:39:56,698
Put like two mics on it
and then fed it to a harmonizer.
752
00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:59,048
It was like one plus one
equals 11.
753
00:39:59,135 --> 00:40:02,008
[beeping]
754
00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:06,055
Once we had that, you know, good
five minutes of that on tape
755
00:40:06,142 --> 00:40:11,017
then Martin went out and played
that incredible beat to it.
756
00:40:11,104 --> 00:40:14,586
[drums playing]
757
00:40:14,673 --> 00:40:17,937
Eventually, John would turn up
and it would either be,
758
00:40:18,024 --> 00:40:20,853
"That's a bloody load of
rubbish.", you know, erase it,
759
00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:23,943
or he quite liked it
and if he liked it,
760
00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:26,075
he would go into a vocal.
761
00:40:26,162 --> 00:40:30,819
Which was amazing because it
was literally just a drum track.
762
00:40:30,906 --> 00:40:35,824
And he'd write lyrics, just,
straight out of nowhere.
763
00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:39,045
["The Flowers of
Romance" playing]
764
00:40:51,797 --> 00:40:57,193
♪ Now in the summer
I could be happy ♪
765
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,459
♪ Or in distress ♪
766
00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:06,681
♪ Depending on the company ♪
767
00:41:06,768 --> 00:41:08,814
♪ On the veranda ♪
768
00:41:08,901 --> 00:41:13,296
♪ Talk of the future
Or reminisce ♪
769
00:41:13,383 --> 00:41:16,430
♪ Behind the dialogue ♪
770
00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:20,390
♪ We're in a mess ♪
771
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:26,266
♪ Whatever I intended ♪
772
00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:33,534
♪ I sent you flowers You wanted chocolates instead ♪
773
00:41:33,621 --> 00:41:36,929
♪ The flowers of romance ♪
774
00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:40,976
♪ The flowers of romance ♪
775
00:41:41,063 --> 00:41:44,589
The way that song was
built up was quite bizarre
776
00:41:44,676 --> 00:41:47,374
because it started off
with just John going in
777
00:41:47,461 --> 00:41:51,073
and playing this tom beat.
778
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,032
Then went out there
and just played the
779
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:54,642
high hat on top of it.
780
00:41:54,729 --> 00:41:56,992
And then, overdubbed the cello.
781
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:58,559
And little by little,
it got built up
782
00:41:58,646 --> 00:42:00,518
and then he did a vocal to it.
783
00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:05,044
I was thrilled. I liked having
the free hand at that time.
784
00:42:05,131 --> 00:42:10,528
♪ You need to defend
I'll take the furniture ♪
785
00:42:10,615 --> 00:42:15,010
♪ Start all over again ♪
786
00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,668
It seems, from my memory,
the whole experience
787
00:42:20,755 --> 00:42:22,975
was kind of almost effortless
788
00:42:23,062 --> 00:42:26,282
and that pretty much everything
that was recorded was used.
789
00:42:26,369 --> 00:42:29,024
Nick knows that I, I view
really big structures
790
00:42:29,111 --> 00:42:31,940
in a very different
way than, uh,
791
00:42:32,027 --> 00:42:34,987
what regular musicians
would approach it like.
792
00:42:35,074 --> 00:42:36,641
And then you're gonna
confine yourself in
793
00:42:36,728 --> 00:42:38,425
too rigidly to format.
794
00:42:38,512 --> 00:42:40,775
You're gonna end up
sounding like everybody else.
795
00:42:40,862 --> 00:42:45,171
And if I were down about trying
to be like everybody else,
796
00:42:45,258 --> 00:42:46,738
what would my music be?
797
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,137
[music plays]
798
00:43:00,534 --> 00:43:02,667
There's always people.
799
00:43:02,754 --> 00:43:05,670
It was John's fucking
apartment in Chelsea.
800
00:43:06,627 --> 00:43:09,499
All of us and the police.
801
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:12,241
Not The Police the band.
The police, the police.
802
00:43:12,328 --> 00:43:13,547
[siren blaring]
803
00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:15,854
Sometimes I go over there like
804
00:43:15,941 --> 00:43:19,640
Bum, bum, bum. Gunter Grove.
And the door's kicked in.
805
00:43:21,511 --> 00:43:24,689
The police used to raid
usually just once.
806
00:43:24,776 --> 00:43:26,212
But then it got
kind of used to it.
807
00:43:26,299 --> 00:43:29,084
And then, they...
it seemed every weekend.
808
00:43:29,171 --> 00:43:33,349
And surely after that, John had
really had it with this country.
809
00:43:33,436 --> 00:43:34,786
And he left for New York.
810
00:43:34,873 --> 00:43:37,571
And Public Image set up there.
811
00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:42,010
♪ Just look around ♪
812
00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:46,580
♪ I think you'll find that Everyone has the same problem ♪
813
00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:49,104
[cars honking]
814
00:43:49,191 --> 00:43:52,412
♪ This is not a real home ♪
815
00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:56,372
There was a show at the Ritz
which was kind of a
816
00:43:56,459 --> 00:43:59,811
big downtown rock theater.
817
00:43:59,898 --> 00:44:03,205
We had a sold out show
with Bow Wow Wow.
818
00:44:03,292 --> 00:44:05,555
Day before the events, that, uh,
819
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,601
we got a call
from Malcolm McLaren.
820
00:44:07,688 --> 00:44:09,472
And he said, "We're not coming."
821
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,345
I called, uh, the publicity
department at Warner Bros.
822
00:44:12,432 --> 00:44:15,304
And they were there and I said,
"We don't know each other
823
00:44:15,391 --> 00:44:19,744
but our weekend just opened up
because Bow Wow Wow cancelled."
824
00:44:19,831 --> 00:44:22,007
And I think they thought
that was a bit humorous
825
00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:24,923
because of the
Malcolm connection.
826
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:28,056
[John] That the idea was to play
along with the record
827
00:44:28,143 --> 00:44:29,623
on the turntable.
828
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:32,060
And we'd be pantomiming
829
00:44:32,147 --> 00:44:34,759
and creating images
around all of this.
830
00:44:34,846 --> 00:44:38,284
♪ Admiring hating
This lot are ♪
831
00:44:38,371 --> 00:44:39,720
The Ritz was famous for having
832
00:44:39,807 --> 00:44:41,896
the largest movie screen
on the planet.
833
00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:43,681
[laughs]
That's like their big thing.
834
00:44:45,857 --> 00:44:49,948
They came up with an idea.
We'll do the show.
835
00:44:50,035 --> 00:44:54,213
But we never wanna come
out from behind the screen.
836
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:57,695
I didn't think we did
say it was kind of, uh,
837
00:44:57,782 --> 00:45:01,046
performance art, if you will.
838
00:45:01,133 --> 00:45:05,137
I think it was, uh, promoted
as PiL, a concert event.
839
00:45:05,224 --> 00:45:08,270
And I made sure that I was gonna
see Public Image this time.
840
00:45:08,357 --> 00:45:12,797
So we called WLIR, the
radio station in Long Island
841
00:45:12,884 --> 00:45:14,712
that was playing "New Wave".
842
00:45:14,799 --> 00:45:17,627
And um, I said, "I'll give you a
pair, a couple pair of tickets."
843
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:20,500
"Please announce on the air
that Bow Wow Wow cancelled."
844
00:45:20,587 --> 00:45:23,111
"And it's PiL that are coming."
845
00:45:23,198 --> 00:45:26,419
-Well, in moments, tickets...
-[snaps fingers]
846
00:45:26,506 --> 00:45:28,638
went like hotcakes.
847
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,858
[Martin] And my phone
just exploded.
848
00:45:30,945 --> 00:45:34,122
"Hey, can't wait to see you."
849
00:45:34,209 --> 00:45:35,515
"See me what?"
850
00:45:35,602 --> 00:45:37,038
"New York!"
851
00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:40,346
What... I don't know
anything about it.
852
00:45:40,433 --> 00:45:42,304
That felt strange.
853
00:45:42,391 --> 00:45:44,437
And we thought, "Guess they
found another drummer. Okay."
854
00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:45,699
Listen when I do it.
855
00:45:45,786 --> 00:45:48,180
[plays drums]
856
00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:49,790
From slow to fast.
857
00:45:49,877 --> 00:45:52,010
I'm talking to about
six or seven drummers
858
00:45:52,097 --> 00:45:57,711
about why you have to practice
and this lady comes in,
859
00:45:57,798 --> 00:46:00,714
waving a check and she says,
860
00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:04,022
"I need a drummer tonight. Are
you working?" she yells at me.
861
00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:08,374
The place was jammed. Everybody
showed up at this, at this gig.
862
00:46:08,461 --> 00:46:12,726
And see, we had a bit of kind
of rough, rough neck audience.
863
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:15,120
I walked in. Got on the stage.
864
00:46:15,207 --> 00:46:18,166
And we were behind
this big movie screen.
865
00:46:18,253 --> 00:46:22,562
I said, "What do you
guys want me to do?"
866
00:46:22,649 --> 00:46:25,434
And Johnny Rotten says to me,
867
00:46:25,521 --> 00:46:26,740
"Gimme a lot of tom-toms."
868
00:46:26,827 --> 00:46:31,179
[imitates drumming sound]
869
00:46:31,266 --> 00:46:34,879
[crowd cheering]
870
00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:37,490
Flowers of Romance
is being played.
871
00:46:37,577 --> 00:46:39,927
The lights are beautiful.
872
00:46:40,014 --> 00:46:44,062
But you could feel some
kind of tension in the air.
873
00:46:44,149 --> 00:46:47,413
They wanted to see the PiL live.
874
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:49,023
As soon as I started,
875
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:51,069
people started throwing
things at the screen.
876
00:46:51,156 --> 00:46:52,505
They don't wanna
see silhouettes.
877
00:46:52,592 --> 00:46:55,813
[crowd jeering]
878
00:47:02,297 --> 00:47:05,474
All of a sudden, um,
there's a huge image of
879
00:47:05,561 --> 00:47:08,956
John Lydon on the screen and
he was taunting the audience.
880
00:47:09,043 --> 00:47:12,568
He was up there like huge,
like Wizard of Oz.
881
00:47:12,655 --> 00:47:15,789
[inaudible talking]
882
00:47:15,876 --> 00:47:18,270
[continuous crowd jeering]
883
00:47:18,357 --> 00:47:24,363
[inaudible talking]
884
00:47:27,148 --> 00:47:29,629
And all of a sudden, there's a
real live human being on stage.
885
00:47:29,716 --> 00:47:31,283
It was Keith Levene.
886
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:32,893
And he was waving
his arms and he's saying,
887
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:35,809
"Stop throwing things
at the screen!" [laughs]
888
00:47:35,896 --> 00:47:38,159
And then he had to run off
889
00:47:38,246 --> 00:47:40,814
because bottles were being
thrown at his head.
890
00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:44,731
Chairs started flying.
The screen that was
891
00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:48,169
a very expensive screen,
892
00:47:48,256 --> 00:47:51,172
kids started pulling it down.
893
00:47:51,259 --> 00:47:55,307
It became dangerous. And all
the lights in the place went up.
894
00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:56,743
Police came in.
895
00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:58,136
And the entire place
was evacuated
896
00:47:58,223 --> 00:47:59,964
and it was the end of the show.
897
00:48:00,051 --> 00:48:01,966
For me, it was like, that's like
one of the greatest gigs
898
00:48:02,053 --> 00:48:04,142
I ever saw. [laughs]
So good.
899
00:48:04,229 --> 00:48:06,144
[John] I look back at it
and it's probably
900
00:48:06,231 --> 00:48:08,494
one of the greatest gigs
I've ever done.
901
00:48:08,581 --> 00:48:11,149
You sink or swim, really,
in those moments.
902
00:48:11,236 --> 00:48:14,848
If you can, uh, make
good of what could be
903
00:48:14,935 --> 00:48:17,155
the end of your career.
904
00:48:17,242 --> 00:48:19,287
[laughter]
905
00:48:19,374 --> 00:48:22,029
[music playing]
906
00:48:23,074 --> 00:48:25,859
When I started working
with the band,
907
00:48:25,946 --> 00:48:28,688
they had never really had anyone
908
00:48:28,775 --> 00:48:32,039
that was in an
administrative role
909
00:48:32,126 --> 00:48:35,216
as, as a manager per se.
910
00:48:35,303 --> 00:48:37,610
And that they always dealt
with the record company
911
00:48:37,697 --> 00:48:40,613
and they always dealt
with the business themselves.
912
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,311
I took on the role of a manager
913
00:48:43,398 --> 00:48:45,705
but again, we weren't
calling me that.
914
00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:51,058
As an official title, I've
never liked that anyways
915
00:48:51,145 --> 00:48:53,017
since Malcolm commits him.
916
00:48:53,104 --> 00:48:55,715
You know, that was
management and that's exactly
917
00:48:55,802 --> 00:48:59,284
what we're never going to have
anywhere near us ever again.
918
00:49:01,982 --> 00:49:04,376
[Bob] I met Keith and
we instantly bonded.
919
00:49:04,463 --> 00:49:07,553
We'd put together ideas
of the game plan and then
920
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,122
John basically gave his
seal of approval.
921
00:49:13,646 --> 00:49:15,909
I knew Martin Atkins also,
922
00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:18,520
the drummer who
had left at the time.
923
00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:23,482
But I kind of brought
Martin back into the fold.
924
00:49:26,441 --> 00:49:28,922
I worked out a deal
with the studio
925
00:49:29,009 --> 00:49:31,272
on 58th Street called Park South
926
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:33,579
where there would
be some speck time
927
00:49:33,666 --> 00:49:35,189
and we would pay some money.
928
00:49:35,276 --> 00:49:37,713
And we started working
and recording there.
929
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,412
["Mad Max" playing]
930
00:49:40,499 --> 00:49:43,545
♪ Call me up after midnight
Tell me I'm wrong ♪
931
00:49:43,632 --> 00:49:46,418
♪ Tell me I'm right
What do you want ♪
932
00:49:46,505 --> 00:49:49,421
♪ Did you just
Need the argument ♪
933
00:49:49,508 --> 00:49:52,380
[Martin] We needed a bass player
so I called Pete Jones.
934
00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:55,818
"Hey Pete. It's kind of
a fucking insane thing,
935
00:49:55,905 --> 00:49:57,777
you want to come on
and play bass?"
936
00:49:57,864 --> 00:50:00,780
And I said, "Okay. I'll do it.
Okay. I'll do it. Alright."
937
00:50:00,867 --> 00:50:03,391
And then I flew straight
to New York.
938
00:50:03,478 --> 00:50:05,611
I literally walked
in to the studio
939
00:50:05,698 --> 00:50:08,701
and they said, "Okay.
can you play along to this."
940
00:50:10,268 --> 00:50:14,968
Probably soon after that, we
moved into the lroquois Hotel.
941
00:50:15,055 --> 00:50:16,839
Which is crazy, The Clash
were there.
942
00:50:16,926 --> 00:50:18,667
They were doing this series
of dates in Times Square.
943
00:50:18,754 --> 00:50:21,496
I remember being in an elevator
with The Clash and was like,
944
00:50:21,583 --> 00:50:23,672
We're The Clash,
we're the PiL, you know.
945
00:50:23,759 --> 00:50:25,109
Just stupidity.
946
00:50:25,196 --> 00:50:26,632
[reporter]John Lydon's new band
947
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,764
is Public Image Limited.
948
00:50:28,851 --> 00:50:31,245
They're playing tonight
at the Roseland Ballroom.
949
00:50:31,332 --> 00:50:33,639
The music and dress
are different
950
00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:36,076
from the Sex Pistol days.
951
00:50:36,163 --> 00:50:39,949
But the news that punk is dead
has not reached the fans.
952
00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:41,864
They wouldn't believe it!
953
00:50:41,951 --> 00:50:45,433
The press from it was great.
The band was excited, you know,
954
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,351
everyone was excited
and now, PiL was back.
955
00:50:50,438 --> 00:50:54,007
[upbeat music]
956
00:50:54,094 --> 00:50:55,182
[interviewer] Gonna do
major venues,
957
00:50:55,269 --> 00:50:56,705
extensive tours, small tours?
958
00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:58,446
Kind of, um...
959
00:50:58,533 --> 00:51:01,319
We don't do tours.
We just do gigs occasionally.
960
00:51:01,406 --> 00:51:05,671
Once every two or three
days. It's better that way.
961
00:51:05,758 --> 00:51:07,064
It wasn't, it wasn't a tour.
962
00:51:07,151 --> 00:51:08,630
It was a series of dates
so we'll do
963
00:51:08,717 --> 00:51:11,329
mad things like we'd go
get a plane to Seattle.
964
00:51:11,416 --> 00:51:15,463
So we don't fly to Seattle.
The whole band, crew hang us on.
965
00:51:15,550 --> 00:51:19,119
Then we fly back again. And we
can't do that sort of traveling
966
00:51:19,206 --> 00:51:21,165
and that sort of distance
and make money.
967
00:51:21,252 --> 00:51:23,950
It's just financial suicide.
968
00:51:24,037 --> 00:51:25,734
So there may have
been concerns like,
969
00:51:25,821 --> 00:51:29,042
"Why aren't we all rich?
We're doing all these shows."
970
00:51:29,129 --> 00:51:31,175
We came back to New York
and we gave,
971
00:51:31,262 --> 00:51:33,307
you know, half of that
to the studio.
972
00:51:33,394 --> 00:51:36,180
And now there's $3,000 left.
973
00:51:36,267 --> 00:51:39,270
So yeah, you can have
$500 each or something.
974
00:51:43,012 --> 00:51:44,318
The hotel bill wasn't being paid
975
00:51:44,405 --> 00:51:45,885
and they threatened
to throw me out.
976
00:51:45,972 --> 00:51:47,060
I said, look,
"You need to pay this bill
977
00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:48,235
and I need some money."
978
00:51:48,322 --> 00:51:50,194
And Keith's reply to that was,
979
00:51:50,281 --> 00:51:52,370
"We're all individuals
in this band."
980
00:51:52,457 --> 00:51:55,286
I'm like, "What the...
what the fuck?"
981
00:51:57,984 --> 00:52:02,423
All of a sudden,
I, uh, I get this call.
982
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:04,773
Keith had gotten rid of me.
983
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:07,167
And then, uh, this whole
984
00:52:07,254 --> 00:52:09,822
tension erupted within
the band after me.
985
00:52:15,393 --> 00:52:18,309
It was a laugh playing live and
stepping on stage with PiL was,
986
00:52:18,396 --> 00:52:20,398
was great. It was a great
honor to play with that band.
987
00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:24,271
It's just became a trip, trip,
trip, trip, trip of shit.
988
00:52:27,013 --> 00:52:28,710
I found Martin.
Martin was living
989
00:52:28,797 --> 00:52:30,886
at the same place as John
at the time so Martin
990
00:52:30,973 --> 00:52:34,499
took the call and I said,
"Martin, I'm leaving the band."
991
00:52:34,586 --> 00:52:36,109
He said, "What'd you mean you're
leaving? When are you leaving?"
992
00:52:36,196 --> 00:52:37,458
I said, "Tomorrow.
I've got a ticket."
993
00:52:37,545 --> 00:52:39,243
"I'm flying out
tomorrow morning."
994
00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:41,810
And he told John that
while I was on the phone.
995
00:52:41,897 --> 00:52:44,509
And I heard just John screaming
in the background, "Bollocks!"
996
00:52:44,596 --> 00:52:46,163
And that was all he said on it.
He just shout out,
997
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:47,903
"Bollocks!" and that was it.
998
00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:53,779
["This Is Not A
Love Song" playing]
999
00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:01,874
Yeah, that, that whole
period of, of commercials
1000
00:53:01,961 --> 00:53:04,268
on "This Is Not A Love Song"
1001
00:53:04,355 --> 00:53:06,835
get, you know, I mean that
stuff was written about
1002
00:53:06,922 --> 00:53:09,621
in the press in a
very, very disparaging way.
1003
00:53:09,708 --> 00:53:12,580
You know, it was pretty
well known that, that Keith
1004
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:15,627
was a little unwell,
shall we say.
1005
00:53:15,714 --> 00:53:17,542
[interviewer] You just
finished your new album.
1006
00:53:17,629 --> 00:53:20,588
And, uh, can you tell us
a little about that?
1007
00:53:20,675 --> 00:53:22,199
Its title and how it differs
basically
1008
00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:23,809
from what you've done
in the past.
1009
00:53:23,896 --> 00:53:26,638
Well, that's for the
general public to...
1010
00:53:26,725 --> 00:53:28,292
-decide.
-Well, how were your impressions
1011
00:53:28,379 --> 00:53:29,989
on how it, how it differs 'cause
1012
00:53:30,076 --> 00:53:31,382
everything has to be
a progression, doesn't it?
1013
00:53:31,469 --> 00:53:33,645
I'm just happy to do it, right?
1014
00:53:35,255 --> 00:53:36,604
That's all.
1015
00:53:36,691 --> 00:53:38,432
Can you compare
it to the last ones?
1016
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:41,043
-What albums?
-You can compare it to anything.
1017
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:42,697
Yeah, yeah.
1018
00:53:44,003 --> 00:53:45,309
Would you?
1019
00:53:45,396 --> 00:53:47,833
Um, it's gonna be better.
1020
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,617
In what way?
1021
00:53:49,704 --> 00:53:52,185
Well, it's like, um,
it's one album
1022
00:53:52,272 --> 00:53:54,405
more than what
we've done before.
1023
00:53:54,492 --> 00:53:56,755
So it's got everything we've
done from those last ones
1024
00:53:56,842 --> 00:53:58,496
plus us now.
1025
00:53:58,583 --> 00:54:01,020
But here's the thing with Keith,
he's alleged genius.
1026
00:54:01,107 --> 00:54:05,154
My God, many of the time, it was
murder trying to deal with what,
1027
00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:08,157
with what he was coming
up with in the studio
1028
00:54:08,245 --> 00:54:10,334
'cause he was so off the mark.
1029
00:54:10,421 --> 00:54:14,338
♪ Think you know the answer? ♪
1030
00:54:14,425 --> 00:54:17,863
♪ Think you got
All the problems? ♪
1031
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:21,693
♪ Well, why not try
And solve them? ♪
1032
00:54:21,780 --> 00:54:26,872
♪ Instead of your
Sitting on them ♪
1033
00:54:26,959 --> 00:54:30,528
Not it's just too much
temptation, really, in New York.
1034
00:54:30,615 --> 00:54:35,968
Everybody was tempted by
so many peripheral things.
1035
00:54:36,055 --> 00:54:38,405
Including meself.
1036
00:54:40,625 --> 00:54:43,236
And there was a lot of that
cocaine floating around which
1037
00:54:43,323 --> 00:54:45,543
can screw up an
awful lot of things.
1038
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:49,198
That was a hard one to like,
you know, walk away from.
1039
00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:53,464
I decided I couldn't bear that
kind of sickness every morning.
1040
00:54:57,294 --> 00:55:00,297
For me, it's things
that keep me awake.
1041
00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:02,864
That's like the things
I'm interested in.
1042
00:55:02,951 --> 00:55:05,737
The longer I'm awake,
1043
00:55:05,824 --> 00:55:09,393
the less chance of waking up
for a sleep-- from a sleep
1044
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,133
and not knowing who I am.
1045
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:15,747
I never, ever want to go through
1046
00:55:15,834 --> 00:55:17,401
that, that period
1047
00:55:17,488 --> 00:55:20,752
in the hospital of
not knowing who I was.
1048
00:55:22,275 --> 00:55:26,410
I knew that substance is...
way, way earlier out of my youth
1049
00:55:26,497 --> 00:55:30,065
and so I know not to like
fall into them issues.
1050
00:55:30,152 --> 00:55:33,591
But some of the more
hardcore drugs like heroine,
1051
00:55:33,678 --> 00:55:37,638
if that's flirting about,
that's really soul destroying.
1052
00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:40,032
And I've watched
that drug now reckon
1053
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,556
destroy so many friends.
1054
00:55:42,643 --> 00:55:47,344
I have a real, uh, animosity
about heroin, heroin users.
1055
00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:50,390
Yeah, heroin users but it'd
ended up using you
1056
00:55:50,477 --> 00:55:52,392
to fuel their addiction
1057
00:55:52,479 --> 00:55:53,828
and their addiction becomes
1058
00:55:53,915 --> 00:55:55,439
the preeminent thing
in their life.
1059
00:55:55,526 --> 00:55:58,006
The only driving force, really.
1060
00:55:59,225 --> 00:56:03,447
♪ Getting nowhere ♪
1061
00:56:03,534 --> 00:56:08,234
Piles of confusion, massive
amounts of irritation, uh...
1062
00:56:08,321 --> 00:56:10,279
kind of, all of this, I think
1063
00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:14,806
ended up feeling like headless
chickens throughout all of it.
1064
00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:17,504
[faint crowd cheers]
1065
00:56:18,592 --> 00:56:25,207
We were offered
15 shows in Japan.
1066
00:56:25,294 --> 00:56:29,603
Um, for 100 or 150
thousand dollars.
1067
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:30,909
It's a lot of fucking money.
1068
00:56:32,563 --> 00:56:37,394
Paul McCartney goes
to Japan with Wings.
1069
00:56:37,481 --> 00:56:39,787
With a kilo of weed.
1070
00:56:39,874 --> 00:56:41,659
And he's arrested.
1071
00:56:41,746 --> 00:56:44,488
Subsequently, every performance
1072
00:56:44,575 --> 00:56:47,229
contract for a touring
band in Japan
1073
00:56:47,316 --> 00:56:50,494
has what's called the "Paul
McCartney clause" inserted.
1074
00:56:50,581 --> 00:56:53,322
Which means if anybody's
found with drugs,
1075
00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:55,586
not only do you not
get paid for your tour,
1076
00:56:55,673 --> 00:56:57,544
you're liable for what
the promoter thinks
1077
00:56:57,631 --> 00:56:59,459
you might have made.
1078
00:56:59,546 --> 00:57:02,506
So of course, we start looking
down the barrel of the gun
1079
00:57:02,593 --> 00:57:05,160
of taking Keith into
that situation.
1080
00:57:09,295 --> 00:57:10,862
We asked to have a meeting.
1081
00:57:10,949 --> 00:57:13,081
Keith showed up
with his attorney.
1082
00:57:13,168 --> 00:57:15,736
What's this, the fucking Eagles?
1083
00:57:15,823 --> 00:57:19,827
He made the sensible
decision. Ba-bye.
1084
00:57:22,743 --> 00:57:25,050
Don't care how important
a member is,
1085
00:57:25,137 --> 00:57:26,791
they're not that important.
1086
00:57:26,878 --> 00:57:29,533
You can't be doing this
for utterly selfish reasons.
1087
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:31,709
We're supposed to be
in this together.
1088
00:57:35,756 --> 00:57:39,238
Ultimately, it really
doesn't matter.
1089
00:57:39,325 --> 00:57:42,154
Listen to some of that playing.
1090
00:57:42,241 --> 00:57:43,547
For God's sake, you know?
1091
00:57:43,634 --> 00:57:46,288
Just listen to that,
nothing else.
1092
00:57:46,375 --> 00:57:48,377
Not anything is Wobble's.
1093
00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:50,989
That is talent.
1094
00:57:52,904 --> 00:57:55,820
And no one can ever
take that away from him
1095
00:57:55,907 --> 00:57:58,126
except himself.
1096
00:58:02,043 --> 00:58:03,697
Keith has said...
1097
00:58:05,699 --> 00:58:07,745
Commercial Zone, it's his
version of the album.
1098
00:58:07,832 --> 00:58:10,922
It isn't. It was our version
of an earlier album.
1099
00:58:11,009 --> 00:58:12,706
There were songs on there
that he didn't know
1100
00:58:12,793 --> 00:58:14,795
existed
until he stole the tapes.
1101
00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:16,971
[music plays]
1102
00:58:20,845 --> 00:58:22,934
Keith eventually
1103
00:58:23,021 --> 00:58:26,024
organized a release
of Commercial Zone.
1104
00:58:28,026 --> 00:58:30,115
Got it pressed up,
had it released
1105
00:58:30,202 --> 00:58:34,162
in America outside
of the Virgin control.
1106
00:58:34,249 --> 00:58:35,990
Yet again, one more time,
1107
00:58:36,077 --> 00:58:38,950
somebody being greedy
and selfish with PiL stuff.
1108
00:58:39,037 --> 00:58:41,605
I thought that John was
very pleased about that.
1109
00:58:41,692 --> 00:58:43,432
But by this time,
they've come off
1110
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,870
and re-recorded a lot
of those songs
1111
00:58:45,957 --> 00:58:48,046
for This Is What You Want...
This Is What You Get album.
1112
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:51,963
So yeah, the Commercial Zone
version of some of the songs
1113
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:54,618
are after the This Is What
You Want version
1114
00:58:54,705 --> 00:58:57,838
of the songs which are
inferior of course. Some are.
1115
00:58:57,925 --> 00:58:59,884
♪ This is what you get
This is what you want ♪
1116
00:58:59,971 --> 00:59:03,104
We'd find ourselves,
just me and John,
1117
00:59:03,191 --> 00:59:05,803
with this commitment for Japan.
1118
00:59:07,587 --> 00:59:09,981
[music starts playing]
1119
00:59:13,724 --> 00:59:17,641
♪ This is what you want ♪
1120
00:59:17,728 --> 00:59:21,775
♪ This is what you get ♪
1121
00:59:25,344 --> 00:59:27,781
And to quickly find, uh, people
1122
00:59:27,868 --> 00:59:30,175
'cause they're already
committed to the tour.
1123
00:59:32,612 --> 00:59:35,572
I went to give Louis Bernardi,
1124
00:59:35,659 --> 00:59:38,662
uh, the news that he got
the job on bass
1125
00:59:38,749 --> 00:59:41,839
to a holiday inn
in Passaic, New Jersey.
1126
00:59:41,926 --> 00:59:45,364
It's like a drug deal gone
wrong, kind of weird thing.
1127
00:59:45,451 --> 00:59:47,322
And I walked in
1128
00:59:47,409 --> 00:59:50,978
and there's a band on stage
playing "Rock The Casbah"
1129
00:59:51,065 --> 00:59:54,634
and there's Louis playing bass
with a fucking red beret.
1130
00:59:54,721 --> 00:59:58,116
"Rock the Casbah..." like fuck,
1131
00:59:58,203 --> 00:59:59,596
what have we done?
1132
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:05,384
Really good musicians didn't get
what we were doing at all.
1133
01:00:05,471 --> 01:00:07,647
At all, at all, at all.
1134
01:00:07,734 --> 01:00:12,434
There was no longer
that fucking attitude.
1135
01:00:12,521 --> 01:00:15,612
There's no longer
the weight to it.
1136
01:00:15,699 --> 01:00:18,615
♪ Want ♪
1137
01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:21,487
Them like a covers band.
1138
01:00:21,574 --> 01:00:24,359
Let's see
if they could cover PiL.
1139
01:00:24,446 --> 01:00:26,710
[crowd cheers]
1140
01:00:31,889 --> 01:00:34,587
♪ Ego-maniac traitor ♪
1141
01:00:34,674 --> 01:00:37,982
♪ You never did understand ♪
1142
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:41,028
I don't think anybody would
pass it, hold on a minute.
1143
01:00:41,115 --> 01:00:44,423
This isn't the gravitas
of early PiL.
1144
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:46,817
It was Johnny Rotten on stage.
1145
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,169
♪ Low life ♪
1146
01:00:51,256 --> 01:00:52,257
♪ Ma! ♪
1147
01:00:54,738 --> 01:00:58,045
♪ Bourgeois Anarchist ♪
1148
01:00:58,132 --> 01:01:01,745
♪ I read you despise us ♪
1149
01:01:01,832 --> 01:01:04,617
♪ Always hurt the one you love ♪
1150
01:01:04,704 --> 01:01:07,446
♪ Lie to be distant ♪
1151
01:01:07,533 --> 01:01:10,362
[crowd cheers]
1152
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:14,235
[interviewer] John, uh,
you've been described
1153
01:01:14,322 --> 01:01:15,541
variously as an actor,
1154
01:01:15,628 --> 01:01:17,412
a fraud, a genius, an idiot.
1155
01:01:17,499 --> 01:01:19,763
Then the big hype
of Rock 'N Roll.
1156
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:21,634
-[John] Hmm.
-Which do you think you are?
1157
01:01:21,721 --> 01:01:23,636
All of the above
and more besides.
1158
01:01:23,723 --> 01:01:25,594
Which one do you
like being most?
1159
01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:28,946
Uh, genius, I think is quite
nice. Yeah. I'll go for that.
1160
01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:30,817
Did it apply for
your last record?
1161
01:01:30,904 --> 01:01:33,472
I think so.
It's rather wonderful.
1162
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:35,300
Making a lot of bucks?
1163
01:01:35,387 --> 01:01:37,868
No, unfortunately, it
hasn't been going at the, uh,
1164
01:01:37,955 --> 01:01:40,609
commercial success
that it deserves
1165
01:01:40,697 --> 01:01:43,438
but I have patience.
1166
01:01:43,525 --> 01:01:47,181
Emotionally, that, that was
such a trying period.
1167
01:01:47,268 --> 01:01:49,662
'Cause I was going
through incredible
1168
01:01:49,749 --> 01:01:51,969
negativity from the media.
1169
01:01:52,056 --> 01:01:54,623
They just wanted to
bury me basically.
1170
01:01:54,711 --> 01:01:58,453
Then I had to really, really
fight for my survival here.
1171
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:10,161
Now, but listen, you can't
let a palm tree fool you.
1172
01:02:10,248 --> 01:02:13,512
Don't make it about a place,
I mean, it is a dungeon.
1173
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:15,122
Just like everywhere else.
1174
01:02:15,209 --> 01:02:16,341
[interviewer] Then why
are you here in LA?
1175
01:02:16,428 --> 01:02:17,777
You could be anywhere.
1176
01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:20,171
It's convenient.
1177
01:02:20,258 --> 01:02:23,565
I'm gonna start somewhere.
It can't be London.
1178
01:02:23,652 --> 01:02:26,133
It can't start in the rain.
1179
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:31,617
♪ Baby, pretty, pretty baby
Pretty baby, pretty, pretty ♪
1180
01:02:31,704 --> 01:02:34,402
There literally was an ad.
It just said,
1181
01:02:34,489 --> 01:02:36,361
"Public Image looking for..."
1182
01:02:36,448 --> 01:02:39,190
"guitar player, keyboard player"
and I think, "bass player."
1183
01:02:39,277 --> 01:02:40,757
"Call this number."
1184
01:02:43,281 --> 01:02:44,848
There's a bunch
of bass players waiting
1185
01:02:44,935 --> 01:02:47,502
and Martin Atkins was up
on stage playing.
1186
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:48,939
and bass players went up
and played
1187
01:02:49,026 --> 01:02:50,114
then I went up
and played with him
1188
01:02:50,201 --> 01:02:51,202
and we, we hit it pretty good.
1189
01:02:53,465 --> 01:02:56,250
I remember just jamming
for like 20 minutes.
1190
01:02:56,337 --> 01:02:59,036
Well, that's it. Everybody
can go home. We're done.
1191
01:02:59,123 --> 01:03:01,560
The next day, they asked me
if I wanted to join the band.
1192
01:03:02,735 --> 01:03:04,215
And, obviously, and I thought,
1193
01:03:04,302 --> 01:03:05,912
fuck, I gotta leave
the Chili Peppers
1194
01:03:05,999 --> 01:03:08,045
and I was so scared,
I didn't know what to do.
1195
01:03:08,132 --> 01:03:10,569
I remember that night,
Hillel came over.
1196
01:03:10,656 --> 01:03:12,353
Then I stayed up
with him all night.
1197
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,834
Talking about it like,
"What do I do? What do I do?"
1198
01:03:14,921 --> 01:03:16,531
He was like, you know,
1199
01:03:16,618 --> 01:03:19,012
"If you join PiL, it will
never be your band."
1200
01:03:19,099 --> 01:03:20,579
"Like it will never
be your thing."
1201
01:03:20,666 --> 01:03:22,407
So I called them that morning.
1202
01:03:22,494 --> 01:03:25,453
You fucking asshole. What are
we supposed to do now?
1203
01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:30,023
You know. Enjoy this
Rolls-Royce. Here's a Toyota.
1204
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,160
Pretty much immediately,
we did a US tour.
1205
01:03:36,247 --> 01:03:41,600
♪ This is not a love song
This is not a love song ♪
1206
01:03:45,169 --> 01:03:48,563
♪ This is not a love song
This is not a love song ♪
1207
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:51,088
♪ This is not a love song ♪
1208
01:03:51,175 --> 01:03:53,351
♪ This is not a love song ♪
1209
01:03:55,266 --> 01:03:58,835
This is like nuts. I'm living.
I was just out of high school
1210
01:03:58,922 --> 01:04:01,794
so I was playing
in my favorite band.
1211
01:04:01,881 --> 01:04:07,147
♪ This is not a love song
This is not a love song ♪
1212
01:04:07,234 --> 01:04:09,933
"This Is Not A Love Song"
is a fucking
1213
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:12,587
top three hit around the world.
1214
01:04:12,674 --> 01:04:15,939
It's one of my least favorite
songs. I co-wrote it.
1215
01:04:16,026 --> 01:04:17,897
It's the biggest fucking hit.
1216
01:04:17,984 --> 01:04:20,944
♪ I'm going over
To the other side ♪
1217
01:04:21,031 --> 01:04:25,296
♪ I'm happy to have
Not to have not ♪
1218
01:04:25,383 --> 01:04:28,908
♪ Big business is very wise ♪
1219
01:04:28,995 --> 01:04:32,303
♪ I'm inside free enterprise ♪
1220
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:35,872
♪ This is not a love song
This is not a love song ♪
1221
01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:37,743
♪ This is not a love song ♪
1222
01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:40,702
So John and I showing the house,
Nora's, the house with us.
1223
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:43,880
And we're just
not getting along.
1224
01:04:43,967 --> 01:04:47,274
Martin Atkins and me
drove each other mad.
1225
01:04:47,361 --> 01:04:50,495
You know, because we're living
in the same house and, uh,
1226
01:04:50,582 --> 01:04:53,541
we kind of ended up
getting on each other's nerves
1227
01:04:53,628 --> 01:04:55,369
and that was unfortunate.
1228
01:04:55,456 --> 01:04:57,981
I mean it's great to work
with bands but you can't,
1229
01:04:58,068 --> 01:05:00,331
you can't share
the same living environment.
1230
01:05:00,418 --> 01:05:04,988
So I got a place at Pasadena.
Little, shitty apartment.
1231
01:05:05,075 --> 01:05:08,948
Got myself a car and tried
to make this thing happen.
1232
01:05:09,035 --> 01:05:10,994
And I got, I got quite sick.
1233
01:05:11,081 --> 01:05:12,865
Which didn't make sense to me.
1234
01:05:12,952 --> 01:05:15,912
Here's my list.
Top three single, check.
1235
01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:18,218
Swimming pool, check.
Palm trees, check.
1236
01:05:19,263 --> 01:05:20,786
And...
1237
01:05:20,873 --> 01:05:22,396
it didn't occur to me
I was just unhappy.
1238
01:05:22,483 --> 01:05:25,878
♪ Think you know the answer? ♪
1239
01:05:25,965 --> 01:05:27,880
I said to John, "Look, I know
there's...
1240
01:05:27,967 --> 01:05:30,535
Japan tour's coming
up with Australia."
1241
01:05:30,622 --> 01:05:35,148
"I don't wanna let you down but
I just wanted to let you know...
1242
01:05:35,235 --> 01:05:37,281
I'm gonna be leaving
at the end of it."
1243
01:05:37,368 --> 01:05:40,197
And that was a
huge fucking mistake.
1244
01:05:40,284 --> 01:05:43,504
Not leaving. But telling him.
1245
01:05:43,591 --> 01:05:46,377
Whereas our relationship
was a little bit difficult
1246
01:05:46,464 --> 01:05:47,856
up to that point.
1247
01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:50,381
It fucking completely
destroyed it.
1248
01:05:53,123 --> 01:05:55,038
[John] Martin left
after the, uh,
1249
01:05:55,125 --> 01:05:57,170
the Japanese tour.
1250
01:05:57,257 --> 01:05:59,999
We decided, like,
not to be like
1251
01:06:00,086 --> 01:06:03,220
bothered to go straight
back to, uh, LA.
1252
01:06:03,307 --> 01:06:05,918
And so, uh, we rented
a house right
1253
01:06:06,005 --> 01:06:08,529
on the North Shore
and stayed there.
1254
01:06:08,616 --> 01:06:13,143
It was great for testing
but no more Martin.
1255
01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:15,101
And he missed out on that
1256
01:06:15,188 --> 01:06:17,060
he should've been in on that.
1257
01:06:17,147 --> 01:06:19,714
That would've been
the proper bonding again.
1258
01:06:19,801 --> 01:06:22,065
And then, he'd had enough.
1259
01:06:22,152 --> 01:06:24,371
["Solitaire" playing]
1260
01:06:24,458 --> 01:06:26,939
♪ Can't pull out my heart ♪
1261
01:06:27,026 --> 01:06:29,115
♪ Solitaire ♪
1262
01:06:31,117 --> 01:06:32,423
[interviewer] How did
getting married affect
1263
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:34,120
your relationship
with your wife?
1264
01:06:36,035 --> 01:06:40,126
Well, it means we see more
of each other obviously.
1265
01:06:42,346 --> 01:06:46,219
We're very happy. We've been
together for some ten years now.
1266
01:06:46,306 --> 01:06:48,091
We'll never separate.
1267
01:06:48,178 --> 01:06:51,355
I'm not, I wasn't making
commitment forever.
1268
01:06:52,095 --> 01:06:53,705
I'm a loyalist.
1269
01:06:54,532 --> 01:06:55,576
That's beautiful.
1270
01:06:56,403 --> 01:06:57,796
Lover.
1271
01:07:00,973 --> 01:07:04,194
Such an original person, say.
1272
01:07:04,281 --> 01:07:06,892
There's, there's a hook for me
1273
01:07:06,979 --> 01:07:10,287
with, um, my friends
1274
01:07:10,374 --> 01:07:13,116
and the things I wanna work with
1275
01:07:13,203 --> 01:07:16,467
and my affiliations and
associations is,
1276
01:07:16,554 --> 01:07:19,992
um... [sighs] When I come
across something
1277
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:22,125
so incredibly original,
1278
01:07:22,212 --> 01:07:26,303
I see it. I'm in love with that.
1279
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:31,047
And there's not too much of that
going on in the world.
1280
01:07:32,091 --> 01:07:34,702
♪ Speak about destruction ♪
1281
01:07:36,835 --> 01:07:40,752
♪ This is the world destruction Your life ain't nothing ♪
1282
01:07:40,839 --> 01:07:43,929
♪ The human race is
Becoming a disgrace ♪
1283
01:07:44,016 --> 01:07:48,934
The idea of working with Elektra
was great. Loved it, right.
1284
01:07:49,021 --> 01:07:51,110
And so Laswell was
gonna be the check
1285
01:07:51,197 --> 01:07:54,592
because I've worked with Laswell
before doing Time Zone
1286
01:07:54,679 --> 01:08:00,163
with Afrika Bambaataa. I was so
looking forward to this project.
1287
01:08:00,250 --> 01:08:03,166
Brought the young band
into New York.
1288
01:08:03,253 --> 01:08:06,169
They panicked in the studio.
1289
01:08:06,256 --> 01:08:08,997
It just seemed that they
were kind of naive
1290
01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:10,869
and just getting started.
1291
01:08:10,956 --> 01:08:14,307
That wasn't the case. We wanted
to do something kind of big.
1292
01:08:14,394 --> 01:08:16,179
Understand this is the 80s.
1293
01:08:16,266 --> 01:08:19,051
So in the 80s,
producers made records.
1294
01:08:19,138 --> 01:08:21,706
Bands were lucky to be on them.
1295
01:08:21,793 --> 01:08:24,100
♪ Bow wow ♪
1296
01:08:24,970 --> 01:08:29,714
♪ Myself when I say ♪
1297
01:08:29,801 --> 01:08:32,151
[John] God bless him,
I don't hold it against him.
1298
01:08:32,238 --> 01:08:34,197
And I loved them fellas forever.
1299
01:08:34,284 --> 01:08:36,895
'Cause, you know, they were part
of the songwriting
1300
01:08:36,982 --> 01:08:38,201
original process.
1301
01:08:38,288 --> 01:08:39,724
But they just couldn't,
1302
01:08:39,811 --> 01:08:41,813
they couldn't reach
the final chapter.
1303
01:08:41,900 --> 01:08:46,905
[Laswell] So I proceeded to fire
the band and hire musicians.
1304
01:08:46,992 --> 01:08:50,300
But where are we to find
replacements so that was great
1305
01:08:50,387 --> 01:08:52,737
because I read the list,
it was damn well endless
1306
01:08:52,824 --> 01:08:54,086
in a complete shock.
1307
01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:57,481
On a such a, on a serious level.
1308
01:08:57,568 --> 01:09:00,658
[drums beating]
1309
01:09:05,663 --> 01:09:10,189
Ginger Baker's a nut up. He then
trotted into the studio like,
1310
01:09:10,276 --> 01:09:13,540
um, semi out of
his complete mind.
1311
01:09:13,627 --> 01:09:17,936
Fantastic person, I can say.
I managed to like, uh,
1312
01:09:18,023 --> 01:09:21,331
somehow, accidentally,
hook-up and connect with.
1313
01:09:23,463 --> 01:09:25,117
The wild car was Steve Vai.
1314
01:09:25,204 --> 01:09:27,598
Who would've thought
you'd bring a metal guitarist...
1315
01:09:31,863 --> 01:09:35,432
He was used to his way of pining
and that's not what we wanted.
1316
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:38,783
We wanted him to like, you know,
go rhythmic with it.
1317
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:43,091
You know, play less.
And it would mean more.
1318
01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:44,571
[John] Alright, let's get
on with it then.
1319
01:09:44,658 --> 01:09:47,531
[Vivien] On this
last record, um...
1320
01:09:47,618 --> 01:09:49,446
How involved were in
picking all the musicians
1321
01:09:49,533 --> 01:09:51,143
and then the production
and the whole thing?
1322
01:09:51,230 --> 01:09:53,276
Because that wasn't done
like a group, group.
1323
01:09:53,363 --> 01:09:55,756
Well, very involved.
I mean I've written
1324
01:09:55,843 --> 01:09:58,629
almost all of the songs
before I went into the studio.
1325
01:09:58,716 --> 01:10:01,806
So I knew exactly
what I wanted. Uh...
1326
01:10:01,893 --> 01:10:04,112
so I just set about getting
the musicians
1327
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,462
that would do the job best.
1328
01:10:05,549 --> 01:10:09,292
The most amusing
part about it was
1329
01:10:09,379 --> 01:10:11,990
Tony Williams did
half the record
1330
01:10:12,077 --> 01:10:14,471
and I did half the record.
1331
01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:19,563
And it was released without
citing who was playing on what.
1332
01:10:21,129 --> 01:10:23,610
And Tony and I laughed about it
1333
01:10:23,697 --> 01:10:27,440
because every track Tony
was on, they thought it was me.
1334
01:10:27,527 --> 01:10:30,574
And every track I was on,
they thought it was Tony.
1335
01:10:30,661 --> 01:10:32,228
[laughs]
1336
01:10:36,362 --> 01:10:39,800
[music playing]
1337
01:10:45,719 --> 01:10:48,548
It wasn't like I was trying
to sell you an album
1338
01:10:48,635 --> 01:10:51,682
with a load of pony-ass,
like, famous people.
1339
01:10:51,769 --> 01:10:53,510
'Cause everybody
who became involved
1340
01:10:53,597 --> 01:10:55,468
I told them way in advance.
1341
01:10:55,555 --> 01:10:57,992
There would be no credits
on this record at all.
1342
01:10:58,079 --> 01:10:59,516
Everyone happy.
1343
01:10:59,603 --> 01:11:01,169
More than happy, oddly enough,
1344
01:11:01,257 --> 01:11:03,868
to work with me
which was a real shock.
1345
01:11:03,955 --> 01:11:05,783
'Cause up to that point,
1346
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:08,612
I hadn't considered that people
actually really respected me
1347
01:11:08,699 --> 01:11:10,570
inside the music world itself.
1348
01:11:10,657 --> 01:11:16,794
♪ Now
What does this mean? ♪
1349
01:11:23,627 --> 01:11:27,544
♪ Home sweet home ♪
1350
01:11:27,631 --> 01:11:31,765
♪ Home sweet home ♪
1351
01:11:31,852 --> 01:11:33,332
[interviewer] When you
were younger, you did say
1352
01:11:33,419 --> 01:11:35,247
that you were very anti-love
in relationships
1353
01:11:35,334 --> 01:11:37,162
and you seem to have
settled into one now.
1354
01:11:37,249 --> 01:11:39,207
Is that true?
Have you settled down?
1355
01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:42,298
Well, that was the voice
of inexperienced.
1356
01:11:42,385 --> 01:11:44,909
I have progressed to
higher things, yes.
1357
01:11:44,996 --> 01:11:46,432
And this is a high thing,
this relationship?
1358
01:11:46,519 --> 01:11:49,087
I think so, yes. I think
it's very important
1359
01:11:49,174 --> 01:11:52,612
to be able to say I was wrong.
1360
01:11:52,699 --> 01:11:54,614
Would you like to have children
now that you're in this kind of
1361
01:11:54,701 --> 01:11:56,094
-stable relationship?
-[John] No, no.
1362
01:11:56,181 --> 01:11:57,791
Why? Why not?
1363
01:11:57,878 --> 01:12:00,098
I just have to dedicate my
life completely to them
1364
01:12:00,185 --> 01:12:02,927
and I can't afford to do that.
1365
01:12:03,014 --> 01:12:05,059
I'm far too irresponsible.
1366
01:12:05,146 --> 01:12:06,496
[host] And Public Image Limited
here
1367
01:12:06,583 --> 01:12:08,106
in the Top of the Pops Studio.
1368
01:12:08,193 --> 01:12:10,195
this week's number 11
with "Rise".
1369
01:12:10,282 --> 01:12:12,937
-[crowd cheers]
-["Rise" playing]
1370
01:12:18,638 --> 01:12:22,120
♪ Could be wrong ♪
1371
01:12:22,207 --> 01:12:25,776
♪ I could be right ♪
1372
01:12:29,257 --> 01:12:32,478
"Rise" was what kicked
everything off again for PiL.
1373
01:12:32,565 --> 01:12:35,612
The success of that song
was what, you know,
1374
01:12:35,699 --> 01:12:39,224
Virgin had wanted, at that time,
I remember, a hit record.
1375
01:12:39,311 --> 01:12:41,313
And that's moved
everything out again.
1376
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,968
♪ They put a hot wire
To my head ♪
1377
01:12:44,055 --> 01:12:46,797
♪ 'Cause of the things
I did and said ♪
1378
01:12:46,884 --> 01:12:49,582
♪ They made these
Feelings go away ♪
1379
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:52,193
♪ A model citizen in every way ♪
1380
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,848
♪ May the road rise with you ♪
1381
01:12:54,935 --> 01:12:57,416
♪ May the road rise with you ♪
1382
01:12:57,503 --> 01:12:59,462
The track "Rise",
the bass line in the beat
1383
01:12:59,549 --> 01:13:01,551
is based on the
South African music.
1384
01:13:01,638 --> 01:13:03,640
Mixes very well
with the Irish thing.
1385
01:13:03,727 --> 01:13:06,556
And John was very conscious
of reference points.
1386
01:13:06,643 --> 01:13:09,994
He brought a lot of
written notes and ideas.
1387
01:13:10,081 --> 01:13:12,779
"Rise" is about South African
1388
01:13:12,866 --> 01:13:15,782
and northern Irish
interrogation techniques.
1389
01:13:17,001 --> 01:13:18,394
[interviewer] Such as?
1390
01:13:18,481 --> 01:13:21,353
Well, electric torture
for starters.
1391
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:22,789
-Oh, yeah?
-"They put a hot wire
1392
01:13:22,876 --> 01:13:24,225
to my head."
1393
01:13:24,312 --> 01:13:25,923
"'Cause of the things
I did and said."
1394
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:28,186
Is it intended
as a political song, is it?
1395
01:13:28,273 --> 01:13:30,275
Does anything game when you're
writing political songs?
1396
01:13:30,362 --> 01:13:31,798
Is there something
particular? Are you--
1397
01:13:31,885 --> 01:13:33,583
It's not necessarily
political at all.
1398
01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:36,542
It's just dealing with that
specific subject of torture.
1399
01:13:36,629 --> 01:13:39,806
All kinds of torture don't
really achieve anything.
1400
01:13:39,893 --> 01:13:42,069
Violence doesn't
achieve anything.
1401
01:13:42,156 --> 01:13:45,377
Uh, these governments,
they've got to learn this.
1402
01:13:45,464 --> 01:13:47,379
Cannot keep a population down.
1403
01:13:47,466 --> 01:13:50,469
♪ Anger is an energy ♪
1404
01:13:50,556 --> 01:13:53,211
♪ Anger is an energy ♪
1405
01:13:53,298 --> 01:13:55,474
♪ Anger is an energy ♪
1406
01:13:55,561 --> 01:14:00,044
♪ Anger is an energy
Anger is an energy ♪
1407
01:14:00,131 --> 01:14:02,525
Around that time, John was
1408
01:14:02,612 --> 01:14:04,483
saying that he wanted to
come back to the UK.
1409
01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:06,398
And he wanted to put
a new band together.
1410
01:14:06,485 --> 01:14:08,139
He needed a new manager.
1411
01:14:08,226 --> 01:14:09,793
And I said, "I'll put
a band together for you."
1412
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,186
"Let's get it on the road
and do some touring."
1413
01:14:12,273 --> 01:14:15,146
Went out to pub,
drank some beer.
1414
01:14:15,233 --> 01:14:18,541
Decided we'd be a band. Usual.
1415
01:14:18,628 --> 01:14:20,238
I said, "Yes, sure.
I'd love to play the drums."
1416
01:14:20,325 --> 01:14:22,370
No, I didn't nothing.
1417
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:26,026
♪ Black rubber bag
It's like a rubber bag ♪
1418
01:14:26,113 --> 01:14:29,552
♪ Black rubber bag
It's like a rubber bag ♪
1419
01:14:29,639 --> 01:14:33,077
♪ Black rubber bag ♪
1420
01:14:33,164 --> 01:14:36,297
["Bags" playing]
1421
01:14:36,384 --> 01:14:39,562
We played with John every
night. That was a challenge.
1422
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:42,478
It was an enjoyable
challenge. It's what...
1423
01:14:42,565 --> 01:14:46,917
Just like in a jazz band,
there's a soloist
1424
01:14:47,004 --> 01:14:50,442
and you're following him
as an accompanying musician
1425
01:14:50,529 --> 01:14:52,792
and listening for the changes.
1426
01:14:52,879 --> 01:14:56,666
You know, we're playing the song
that we play every night, dude.
1427
01:14:56,753 --> 01:14:58,406
The verse is ending,
we'll come into the bridge.
1428
01:14:58,494 --> 01:15:00,757
One, two, three, four...
1429
01:15:00,844 --> 01:15:02,585
[gasps]
1430
01:15:02,672 --> 01:15:05,022
We don't know if
John's gonna be there.
1431
01:15:06,980 --> 01:15:10,897
♪ Close to the edge ♪
1432
01:15:10,984 --> 01:15:14,466
[inaudible]
1433
01:15:14,553 --> 01:15:17,687
Allan is absolutely right.
You gotta be...
1434
01:15:17,774 --> 01:15:21,604
listening to what John's doing.
You know, staying aware.
1435
01:15:21,691 --> 01:15:23,127
[interviewer] So, um...
1436
01:15:23,214 --> 01:15:26,347
[clears throat]
1437
01:15:26,434 --> 01:15:27,479
Right here.
1438
01:15:27,566 --> 01:15:28,785
[laughter]
1439
01:15:28,872 --> 01:15:29,916
[spits]
1440
01:15:30,003 --> 01:15:31,135
Here's what I prepared earlier.
1441
01:15:31,222 --> 01:15:32,484
[laughter]
1442
01:15:32,571 --> 01:15:34,007
I can't help it.
All, all my life,
1443
01:15:34,094 --> 01:15:35,574
I've got these
constant problems.
1444
01:15:35,661 --> 01:15:38,534
It's meningitis again. Um...
1445
01:15:38,621 --> 01:15:41,711
Things will form in the back
of my throat like lumps
1446
01:15:41,798 --> 01:15:43,408
and it's why I always have
this spittoon.
1447
01:15:43,495 --> 01:15:45,802
'Cause I can feel it in here...
[clears throat]
1448
01:15:45,889 --> 01:15:47,630
You can't get the
notes out and you
1449
01:15:47,717 --> 01:15:50,415
gotta clear your throat somehow.
1450
01:15:50,502 --> 01:15:53,157
[John] What a load of
fucking wankers.
1451
01:15:53,244 --> 01:15:54,724
And as for you.
1452
01:15:54,811 --> 01:15:57,988
Stop throwing money,
you silly old cunts.
1453
01:15:58,075 --> 01:16:02,906
That PiL tour was full of
disgruntled Sex Pistols fans.
1454
01:16:02,993 --> 01:16:06,823
You know, so we had to
battle through the walls of gob.
1455
01:16:06,910 --> 01:16:09,652
[John] This is a little bit
out of fucking order.
1456
01:16:09,739 --> 01:16:11,654
Now, we don't mind security.
1457
01:16:11,741 --> 01:16:15,396
But we don't like bully-boys
being able to shit.
1458
01:16:15,483 --> 01:16:18,574
-That I know.
-[crowd jeers]
1459
01:16:18,661 --> 01:16:21,359
And you could start
spitting at me too.
1460
01:16:22,186 --> 01:16:24,231
The wall of spit
1461
01:16:24,318 --> 01:16:28,192
that John was subjected to
for the first two songs.
1462
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:31,674
He kept asking them
to stop spitting.
1463
01:16:31,761 --> 01:16:35,591
[John] First of all, to perform
by you, spitting fans...
1464
01:16:35,678 --> 01:16:38,506
Keep spitting. Don't do it.
1465
01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:40,987
Or I'm coming down. Good night!
1466
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:44,861
[crowd reacts]
1467
01:16:44,948 --> 01:16:46,471
And he walked off the stage.
1468
01:16:46,558 --> 01:16:48,386
And I said, "John, you
gotta go back on stage."
1469
01:16:48,473 --> 01:16:51,607
And I'm reluctant and he said,
"Keith, look at me."
1470
01:16:51,694 --> 01:16:54,305
And he was covered in spit.
1471
01:16:54,392 --> 01:16:55,872
And the bouncers were saying,
1472
01:16:55,959 --> 01:16:57,525
"You gotta get back
on the stage, man."
1473
01:16:57,613 --> 01:16:59,789
"You're gonna have a
riot here in a moment."
1474
01:16:59,876 --> 01:17:01,921
[John] Now, listen.
And listen good.
1475
01:17:02,008 --> 01:17:04,184
'Cause it doesn't matter
like shit to me.
1476
01:17:04,271 --> 01:17:08,275
If you keep spitting, I will
go home. I don't need this crap
1477
01:17:08,362 --> 01:17:13,106
from an imitator punk like you,
crack show, for instance.
1478
01:17:13,193 --> 01:17:16,806
It can be terrible how many
spiteful fucks there are
1479
01:17:16,893 --> 01:17:19,678
out there in the world
to do this kind of thing.
1480
01:17:19,765 --> 01:17:21,332
There were some nights...
1481
01:17:22,986 --> 01:17:27,077
that got scary leading up
to McGeoch since then.
1482
01:17:27,164 --> 01:17:29,993
[John Lydon] The thing about
John, for instance, is well...
1483
01:17:31,342 --> 01:17:33,736
He's gonna hate this. Uh...
1484
01:17:34,998 --> 01:17:38,392
He understood the
Public Image guitar sound.
1485
01:17:39,959 --> 01:17:42,962
And he took it a
couple of stages further
1486
01:17:43,049 --> 01:17:46,662
which is why I had
to work with him.
1487
01:17:47,706 --> 01:17:49,447
He's rather brilliant.
1488
01:17:49,534 --> 01:17:51,449
Well, I've been looking at
those Public Image guitar
1489
01:17:51,536 --> 01:17:53,059
lines for years.
1490
01:17:53,146 --> 01:17:55,409
So I thought it was
time to finally, uh...
1491
01:17:56,672 --> 01:17:57,847
sealed
1492
01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:01,285
and signed the document.
1493
01:18:01,372 --> 01:18:03,069
I've gone home.
1494
01:18:03,156 --> 01:18:04,549
So of course, I get back to my
office, not knowing
1495
01:18:04,636 --> 01:18:06,377
the first thing that happens,
1496
01:18:06,464 --> 01:18:08,118
I get fan call in the morning
from the tour manager.
1497
01:18:08,205 --> 01:18:11,338
The guys were drunk and
somebody instigated an
1498
01:18:11,425 --> 01:18:15,342
egg gun, somebody, and
a kid threw this pile and
1499
01:18:15,429 --> 01:18:17,301
unfortunately hit McGeoch...
1500
01:18:17,388 --> 01:18:18,476
[smacks forehead]
here.
1501
01:18:18,563 --> 01:18:21,392
Had forty stitches in his face.
1502
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,350
Big blood, big horror.
1503
01:18:23,437 --> 01:18:26,789
I just said, "Let go. We've
got to rethink this." You know?
1504
01:18:26,876 --> 01:18:29,182
Band stopped playing
for four, five months.
1505
01:18:29,269 --> 01:18:32,142
And then, when it
came back, it was...
1506
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:33,621
the music changed.
1507
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:36,842
John McGeoch changed
by that and then
1508
01:18:36,929 --> 01:18:39,715
it was, um, less improvised.
1509
01:18:39,802 --> 01:18:41,978
Everything changed
in his life and
1510
01:18:42,065 --> 01:18:44,720
his taste in music
and everything, it was...
1511
01:18:45,372 --> 01:18:46,852
quite interesting.
1512
01:18:46,939 --> 01:18:48,419
[interviewer] Why do
you think that was?
1513
01:18:48,506 --> 01:18:50,116
I don't know. You know,
I'm not a psychologist.
1514
01:18:50,203 --> 01:18:53,206
It was a lot of
plastic surgeries.
1515
01:18:53,293 --> 01:18:55,208
Six dancing men.
1516
01:19:01,780 --> 01:19:03,521
[fan] John!
1517
01:19:04,478 --> 01:19:05,697
Got a whole lot there?
1518
01:19:05,784 --> 01:19:07,090
John sat us down and he said,
1519
01:19:07,177 --> 01:19:09,048
"Okay, listen.
This is the deal."
1520
01:19:09,135 --> 01:19:10,658
"I'm liking what's happening,
1521
01:19:10,746 --> 01:19:12,748
I wanna share this
with everybody.
1522
01:19:12,835 --> 01:19:14,575
"Who's in?"
1523
01:19:14,662 --> 01:19:16,403
John was great like that.
I mean, John, he's very--
1524
01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:19,058
you know, even if he wrote
all of the lyrics, which he did.
1525
01:19:19,145 --> 01:19:21,713
Publishing spirit was in
between the five of them.
1526
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,715
Then we set forth
into the studio.
1527
01:19:23,802 --> 01:19:28,067
And then, the journey
was off and running.
1528
01:19:28,154 --> 01:19:29,939
[interviewer] Now that
you moved into
1529
01:19:30,026 --> 01:19:32,289
this group PiL, how did you...
1530
01:19:32,376 --> 01:19:33,943
[John] Well, I always
work in groups.
1531
01:19:34,030 --> 01:19:35,118
I don't like doing
things on my own.
1532
01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:37,381
I like working with people but
1533
01:19:37,468 --> 01:19:39,557
this is the best yet, I mean,
1534
01:19:39,644 --> 01:19:44,388
I've never felt part of the band
and it includes the Sex Pistols.
1535
01:19:44,475 --> 01:19:46,694
It's never been as good as this.
1536
01:19:46,782 --> 01:19:49,480
["Seattle" playing]
1537
01:19:56,356 --> 01:19:59,055
♪ Don't like the look
Of this old town ♪
1538
01:19:59,142 --> 01:20:01,013
Happy? and a couple
of those albums,
1539
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:04,887
they played them better than
they recorded them, you know.
1540
01:20:04,974 --> 01:20:09,892
The songs' structures were
too tight and regulated.
1541
01:20:09,979 --> 01:20:13,896
And the expectation was
put upon John to
1542
01:20:13,983 --> 01:20:16,724
put himself into
those arrangements.
1543
01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:21,294
He's not well served by that
kind of compositional approach.
1544
01:20:21,381 --> 01:20:24,732
♪ Nothing ever happened
And everything ♪
1545
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:29,041
♪ Remained the same again
What in the world ♪
1546
01:20:29,128 --> 01:20:32,088
♪ What in the world ♪
1547
01:20:32,175 --> 01:20:35,787
♪ What in the world ♪
1548
01:20:35,874 --> 01:20:40,923
♪ Get up, get up, get out
Get out, get out of my world ♪
1549
01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:42,663
-[John] Louis.
-[Louis] John.
1550
01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:44,752
Do you remember
all them years ago?
1551
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,625
I'd bank on you
learning all this stuff.
1552
01:20:47,712 --> 01:20:49,453
Fucking idi--
you did two, didn't you?
1553
01:20:49,540 --> 01:20:50,802
Which stuff?
1554
01:20:50,889 --> 01:20:52,848
Flowers of Romance with McGeoch.
1555
01:20:52,935 --> 01:20:55,938
What a murderous, fucking
ensemble of disaster.
1556
01:20:56,025 --> 01:20:58,114
That could be night after night.
1557
01:20:58,201 --> 01:21:00,768
That's an interesting way of
putting it because you're right.
1558
01:21:00,856 --> 01:21:03,162
I have to say it was very hard
playing with McGeoch because
1559
01:21:03,249 --> 01:21:05,948
he was always
top organ, he was...
1560
01:21:06,035 --> 01:21:09,299
He, he wouldn't listen
to anyone, you know.
1561
01:21:09,386 --> 01:21:12,041
He's a great player,
lovely man but
1562
01:21:12,128 --> 01:21:15,827
I just always end up going
"Just go and play keyboard."
1563
01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:18,395
["Rise" playing]
1564
01:21:20,223 --> 01:21:23,313
♪ May the road rise with you ♪
1565
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,316
♪ May the road rise with you ♪
1566
01:21:26,403 --> 01:21:28,927
♪ May the road rise with you ♪
1567
01:21:29,014 --> 01:21:31,625
♪ May the road rise with you ♪
1568
01:21:34,585 --> 01:21:36,979
It just sort of kept going.
1569
01:21:37,066 --> 01:21:38,763
And with John was happy,
you know,
1570
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:40,983
anyone liked being
with us, you know.
1571
01:21:41,070 --> 01:21:46,075
'Cause he'd been, had quite
an unstable lineup.
1572
01:21:46,162 --> 01:21:49,078
We are all equal.
We all contribute equally.
1573
01:21:49,165 --> 01:21:52,124
And this is the permanent
lineup of Public Image now.
1574
01:21:52,211 --> 01:21:54,518
And will be for a long time.
1575
01:21:54,605 --> 01:21:58,348
[ringing sound]
1576
01:21:58,435 --> 01:21:59,871
Lu...
1577
01:21:59,958 --> 01:22:01,655
He had a condition called
1578
01:22:01,742 --> 01:22:05,007
tinnitus? Tinnitus.
Sometimes it's what he called.
1579
01:22:05,094 --> 01:22:09,794
Guitar EMS turned up
so extremely loud.
1580
01:22:09,881 --> 01:22:12,188
It recalls this ringing
in your ears.
1581
01:22:12,275 --> 01:22:14,755
[interviewer] What did you
feel like? What was it like?
1582
01:22:14,842 --> 01:22:18,194
Well, suicidal tendencies.
1583
01:22:19,412 --> 01:22:22,024
I wanted to die.
1584
01:22:22,111 --> 01:22:25,027
And much as he didn't mean
or want to leave, he had to.
1585
01:22:25,114 --> 01:22:26,942
You know, he's like
gotten a death sentence,
1586
01:22:27,029 --> 01:22:28,900
you know, it was very sad.
1587
01:22:28,987 --> 01:22:30,554
[clears throat]
1588
01:22:30,641 --> 01:22:31,816
And he was gone.
1589
01:22:31,903 --> 01:22:34,471
[strums guitar]
1590
01:22:36,125 --> 01:22:41,652
[music plays]
1591
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:48,920
When you're young, you want more
and more volume and everything
1592
01:22:49,007 --> 01:22:50,617
because it makes you
feel bigger and better
1593
01:22:50,704 --> 01:22:52,576
about what it is you're doing.
1594
01:22:52,663 --> 01:22:54,882
You're not actually listening
to what you're doing at all.
1595
01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:59,191
Then, it has that, uh, that
period where you begin to like
1596
01:22:59,278 --> 01:23:01,715
what it is you're doing a lot.
1597
01:23:01,802 --> 01:23:04,066
And you like getting it right.
1598
01:23:04,153 --> 01:23:06,285
And these things
are too damn loud.
1599
01:23:06,372 --> 01:23:09,810
By that time, man, we were
like solid, we were tight.
1600
01:23:09,897 --> 01:23:13,771
And we're just having so much
fun and it was getting on good
1601
01:23:13,858 --> 01:23:16,382
and it was devastating, man.
1602
01:23:16,469 --> 01:23:22,388
♪ You, you're just a
Really bad person ♪
1603
01:23:22,475 --> 01:23:28,264
♪ Who won't, you won't
Listen to anyone ♪
1604
01:23:28,351 --> 01:23:34,357
♪ No, not you
With those half moon eyelids ♪
1605
01:23:34,444 --> 01:23:36,794
♪ Just babbling on ♪
1606
01:23:36,881 --> 01:23:41,799
♪ Your useless defenses ♪
1607
01:23:42,843 --> 01:23:44,497
"Disappointed", um...
1608
01:23:46,195 --> 01:23:48,284
that's a song John wrote
about all of the
1609
01:23:48,371 --> 01:23:50,547
people who have fallen
by the wayside.
1610
01:23:50,634 --> 01:23:52,505
The single is called
"Disappointed"
1611
01:23:52,592 --> 01:23:54,464
which is again about
1612
01:23:54,551 --> 01:23:56,335
disappointed about you people,
that's what friends are for.
1613
01:23:56,422 --> 01:23:58,903
No, it's about friends
letting you down.
1614
01:23:58,990 --> 01:24:00,992
That's an emotion all of us
have experience,
1615
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:02,646
at one time or another.
1616
01:24:02,733 --> 01:24:04,300
It's not anti-friendship.
1617
01:24:04,387 --> 01:24:06,432
It's just telling you
that this will happen.
1618
01:24:06,519 --> 01:24:09,000
And choose your friends
just a little more carefully.
1619
01:24:09,087 --> 01:24:11,133
Sound advice, I think.
1620
01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:13,135
Is this a general lyric
or is this
1621
01:24:13,222 --> 01:24:14,962
about specific friends that--
1622
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:16,660
It's, it's general but
1623
01:24:16,747 --> 01:24:19,228
it could apply to
several of my ex-managers.
1624
01:24:19,315 --> 01:24:21,317
I couldn't really remember
the exact day
1625
01:24:21,404 --> 01:24:23,101
when we stopped
working together.
1626
01:24:23,188 --> 01:24:26,235
But it was because
we had a huge brawl, you know.
1627
01:24:26,322 --> 01:24:31,109
The problems that we had,
you know, working relationship
1628
01:24:31,196 --> 01:24:33,677
was because we
were friends as well.
1629
01:24:33,764 --> 01:24:35,505
It made it difficult
1630
01:24:35,592 --> 01:24:38,247
to separate the friendship
from the work.
1631
01:24:38,334 --> 01:24:41,554
Um, that got to a
sort of breaking point.
1632
01:24:41,641 --> 01:24:46,472
♪ Disappointed a few people ♪
1633
01:24:46,559 --> 01:24:51,303
♪ When friendship reared
Its ugly head ♪
1634
01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:55,525
♪ Disappointed a few people ♪
1635
01:24:55,612 --> 01:24:58,571
♪ Well, isn't that
What friends are for? ♪
1636
01:24:58,658 --> 01:25:03,663
♪ What friends are for?
What friends are for? ♪
1637
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:08,059
♪ What friends are for?
What friends are for? ♪
1638
01:25:08,146 --> 01:25:09,974
♪ What friends are for? ♪
1639
01:25:10,061 --> 01:25:12,542
[John] Many of my friends
are convinced that it's about
1640
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:14,892
them personally
and it really isn't.
1641
01:25:14,979 --> 01:25:18,548
But the refrain in it that
they don't grasp and they should
1642
01:25:18,635 --> 01:25:23,770
'cause it's a huge compliment
is, uh, what friends are for.
1643
01:25:23,857 --> 01:25:27,426
That's, that the bottom line.
That you've up with the, uh,
1644
01:25:27,513 --> 01:25:30,908
you know, the mistakes and
errors of friends because
1645
01:25:30,995 --> 01:25:33,084
you accept them
for what they are.
1646
01:25:33,171 --> 01:25:35,608
[engines roaring]
1647
01:25:37,044 --> 01:25:39,003
So we didn't have
any big falling yet.
1648
01:25:39,090 --> 01:25:41,092
I think he was very
pissed off when I left.
1649
01:25:41,179 --> 01:25:43,268
Um, which is understandable.
1650
01:25:43,355 --> 01:25:45,227
Really the reason that I
stopped playing there was I
1651
01:25:45,314 --> 01:25:47,185
was not in very
good shape, I mean,
1652
01:25:47,272 --> 01:25:50,014
I wasn't in good shape.
We've been on tour all the time.
1653
01:25:50,101 --> 01:25:52,147
I did-- was doing
a lot of drugs.
1654
01:25:52,234 --> 01:25:55,280
You know, basically
the routine of album tour
1655
01:25:55,367 --> 01:25:57,587
is six months of... optimism.
1656
01:25:57,674 --> 01:26:00,242
Didn't really worked out
so well for me.
1657
01:26:00,329 --> 01:26:04,159
And with the drinking and drugs
and nightlife. It just...
1658
01:26:05,899 --> 01:26:08,119
got into a tailspin for me.
1659
01:26:08,206 --> 01:26:11,166
It was either my
health, well-being
1660
01:26:11,253 --> 01:26:13,733
Or I was gonna die.
I mean, I was gonna just...
1661
01:26:14,691 --> 01:26:16,867
implode? Fall apart?
1662
01:26:17,781 --> 01:26:19,522
And I had to bail.
1663
01:26:21,088 --> 01:26:23,830
I've take set of people
come and people go
1664
01:26:23,917 --> 01:26:25,571
and it really breaks my heart.
1665
01:26:25,658 --> 01:26:29,706
You know, and I obligate
myself to the human beings.
1666
01:26:29,793 --> 01:26:32,491
I don't want that
to stop anytime soon.
1667
01:26:32,578 --> 01:26:34,798
You gotta accept that it does.
1668
01:26:34,885 --> 01:26:36,103
["Cruel" playing]
1669
01:26:36,191 --> 01:26:39,846
♪ Body and soul ♪
1670
01:26:39,933 --> 01:26:43,937
♪ An animal ♪
1671
01:26:44,024 --> 01:26:47,027
♪ As a sword ♪
1672
01:26:47,114 --> 01:26:51,858
♪ Swing double edged ♪
1673
01:26:51,945 --> 01:26:55,253
♪ Dig deep down ♪
1674
01:26:55,340 --> 01:26:59,431
♪ That monthly frown ♪
1675
01:26:59,518 --> 01:27:05,002
♪ You have the tools
To make men fools ♪
1676
01:27:06,221 --> 01:27:07,570
Aah.
1677
01:27:07,657 --> 01:27:09,485
I hope you know
how fucking happy I am
1678
01:27:09,572 --> 01:27:12,705
when the missus
is back in the house.
1679
01:27:12,792 --> 01:27:14,707
It's very important.
1680
01:27:14,794 --> 01:27:18,320
[interviewer] Since we're here
and Nora's here, maybe, uh...
1681
01:27:18,407 --> 01:27:21,627
No, she won't. It ain't
possible. You know it.
1682
01:27:21,714 --> 01:27:23,194
-[interviewer laughs]
-Nope.
1683
01:27:23,281 --> 01:27:26,066
My baby's ran off and
closed the door.
1684
01:27:26,153 --> 01:27:28,721
-Yeah?
-Nope, she's not gonna have it.
1685
01:27:28,808 --> 01:27:30,462
[interviewer laughs]
1686
01:27:30,549 --> 01:27:34,510
See, that's private.
And that's how we are.
1687
01:27:34,597 --> 01:27:39,558
It's not public domain. Say, do
whatever you want about me
1688
01:27:39,645 --> 01:27:42,257
but you're never gonna
get the opportunity
1689
01:27:42,344 --> 01:27:44,955
to do about that,
the people that,
1690
01:27:45,042 --> 01:27:47,871
that don't deserve that torture.
1691
01:27:47,958 --> 01:27:49,916
I'll vow us through it.
1692
01:27:52,049 --> 01:27:54,356
I loved this very, very much.
1693
01:27:54,443 --> 01:27:57,054
The dragon in the corner.
This is done by, um,
1694
01:27:57,141 --> 01:28:01,363
I think it was Pablo.
One of the twins. Ariane's kids.
1695
01:28:01,450 --> 01:28:03,582
When they were young
and they came to live with us.
1696
01:28:07,630 --> 01:28:11,895
Ariane, the lead singer of
The Slits, is, uh,
1697
01:28:11,982 --> 01:28:14,419
my wife's daughter.
1698
01:28:14,506 --> 01:28:18,075
Their mother, she just couldn't
cope with them anymore.
1699
01:28:18,162 --> 01:28:21,078
And you know,
with her musical career.
1700
01:28:21,165 --> 01:28:23,298
And they had a major,
major brawl.
1701
01:28:23,385 --> 01:28:24,777
I said, "Well, let
them live with us."
1702
01:28:24,864 --> 01:28:26,953
"We'll-- we'll take
care of them."
1703
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:31,175
Then, so, you know,
in, in what you can conceive as
1704
01:28:31,262 --> 01:28:34,134
two decades of not working.
[laughs]
1705
01:28:34,221 --> 01:28:37,094
Johnny had to become daddy.
[laughs]
1706
01:28:37,181 --> 01:28:39,270
It was tough, man.
1707
01:28:39,357 --> 01:28:40,576
It was tough because
you're taking on
1708
01:28:40,663 --> 01:28:43,230
two 14-year olds, you know.
1709
01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:48,366
Had very serious opinions of,
of the problems they had to
1710
01:28:48,453 --> 01:28:51,500
endure up to that point
with their own mother.
1711
01:28:51,587 --> 01:28:54,416
♪ Domestic bliss ♪
1712
01:28:54,503 --> 01:28:56,983
Give it a little time to,
to settle it down into,
1713
01:28:57,070 --> 01:28:59,203
into a proper family unit.
1714
01:28:59,290 --> 01:29:02,946
Very, very difficult but, uh, I
learned so much about meself
1715
01:29:03,033 --> 01:29:08,081
because I, I found that bit that
was missing in me for so long.
1716
01:29:08,168 --> 01:29:10,432
That I loved the company of kids
1717
01:29:10,519 --> 01:29:12,347
when they're young,
I just really do.
1718
01:29:12,434 --> 01:29:16,089
Terrific. And in a weird way,
family-owned youth again.
1719
01:29:16,176 --> 01:29:18,831
[music playing]
1720
01:29:18,918 --> 01:29:20,616
If you look at all
those video clips of
1721
01:29:20,703 --> 01:29:22,444
them on television
at the time, you know,
1722
01:29:22,531 --> 01:29:25,055
and just like how
antagonistic it is, you know.
1723
01:29:25,142 --> 01:29:27,144
Especially on the
Tom Snyder show,
1724
01:29:27,231 --> 01:29:28,885
The Tomorrow Show in New York.
1725
01:29:28,972 --> 01:29:30,974
That was like, people
talked about that forever.
1726
01:29:31,061 --> 01:29:33,890
How they just kind of like, um,
1727
01:29:33,977 --> 01:29:37,459
completely took the piss from
this guy, you know, just like
1728
01:29:37,546 --> 01:29:39,635
you know, we're so combative
1729
01:29:39,722 --> 01:29:42,028
to the point where
he has to be late.
1730
01:29:42,115 --> 01:29:43,421
[laughs]
1731
01:29:49,645 --> 01:29:51,124
He was known then
as Johnny Rotten,
1732
01:29:51,211 --> 01:29:53,823
the head singer
and founder of the Sex Pistols.
1733
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:56,434
He continued creating a vent
of music in the 1980s
1734
01:29:56,521 --> 01:29:58,131
with his band
Public Image Limited.
1735
01:29:58,218 --> 01:30:00,525
And after nearly 17 years
since first we met,
1736
01:30:00,612 --> 01:30:02,919
we're back together again
tonight for the second time.
1737
01:30:03,006 --> 01:30:05,487
John, welcome and thank you
for joining us here at CBS.
1738
01:30:05,574 --> 01:30:08,054
I don't what happened
17 years ago tonight.
1739
01:30:08,141 --> 01:30:10,056
Yes, you do. You just showed it.
1740
01:30:10,143 --> 01:30:11,797
[laughter]
1741
01:30:11,884 --> 01:30:13,669
I mean, I don't know where
I was or you were then
1742
01:30:13,756 --> 01:30:15,584
but if I did something to
offend you, I apologize for it.
1743
01:30:15,671 --> 01:30:17,542
No, it's all right.
I mean, it's just
1744
01:30:17,629 --> 01:30:20,371
entertainment,
isn't it, you know? TV.
1745
01:30:20,458 --> 01:30:22,329
Exact-- right.
It's only television.
1746
01:30:22,417 --> 01:30:24,244
I sometimes forget that.
1747
01:30:24,331 --> 01:30:29,032
John did some, um, some work
with some TV films and programs.
1748
01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:31,730
[animals howling]
1749
01:30:31,817 --> 01:30:33,645
They say a gorilla was here.
A gorilla.
1750
01:30:33,732 --> 01:30:36,039
I think you'll like it, Lydon.
1751
01:30:36,126 --> 01:30:37,693
He goes, I got nothing to say
to gorillas,
1752
01:30:37,780 --> 01:30:39,042
Well, we went out with gorillas
1753
01:30:39,129 --> 01:30:40,435
we had the best time alive.
1754
01:30:40,522 --> 01:30:42,524
John Lydon, punk superstar,
1755
01:30:42,611 --> 01:30:46,919
national icon and mad-key
natural historian.
1756
01:30:47,006 --> 01:30:49,356
With best mate, John Rumbo,
he's embarked on a
1757
01:30:49,444 --> 01:30:52,534
once in a lifetime journey
into the heart of East Africa.
1758
01:30:52,621 --> 01:30:54,927
The ultimate aim of
meeting his oldest relatives.
1759
01:30:55,014 --> 01:30:57,060
The gorillas who date
back to a time
1760
01:30:57,147 --> 01:30:59,062
when dinosaurs ruled the Earth.
1761
01:30:59,149 --> 01:31:02,544
[chanting in African language]
1762
01:31:02,631 --> 01:31:06,591
[chanting in African language]
1763
01:31:08,332 --> 01:31:15,165
♪ This is pil
Pil ♪
1764
01:31:16,601 --> 01:31:18,777
We were always mates
for years, years and years.
1765
01:31:18,864 --> 01:31:21,040
You know, I'd work and hang
out with him every day.
1766
01:31:21,127 --> 01:31:23,521
He do his thing, I do my thing.
1767
01:31:23,608 --> 01:31:25,480
And, um, we just, eventually
1768
01:31:25,567 --> 01:31:27,438
just teamed up
properly, you know.
1769
01:31:27,525 --> 01:31:28,831
It's hard sometimes
because we're mates
1770
01:31:28,918 --> 01:31:30,572
so it's hard
whenever, we're not--
1771
01:31:30,659 --> 01:31:32,399
we never, ever, ever
had an argument
1772
01:31:32,487 --> 01:31:34,271
before I started
working with John.
1773
01:31:34,358 --> 01:31:35,620
Ever.
1774
01:31:35,707 --> 01:31:37,100
We don't have any arguments.
1775
01:31:37,187 --> 01:31:38,971
I want to get the
best out of John.
1776
01:31:42,975 --> 01:31:45,804
I didn't wanna do
any more Pistol stuff.
1777
01:31:45,891 --> 01:31:49,155
And John went,
"Well, we could start PiL."
1778
01:31:49,242 --> 01:31:51,070
And I was humming in high.
1779
01:31:51,157 --> 01:31:54,509
'Cause I thought it was almost
an insurmountable barrier.
1780
01:31:55,684 --> 01:31:58,774
'Cause of a serious
financial debt.
1781
01:31:58,861 --> 01:32:01,254
It was always eaten away.
I had to get this back together
1782
01:32:01,341 --> 01:32:03,648
but I just didn't know how.
1783
01:32:03,735 --> 01:32:08,392
Do I buy country life butter
because it's British?
1784
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,612
[upbeat music]
1785
01:32:10,699 --> 01:32:12,309
Bye, bye country life because
1786
01:32:12,396 --> 01:32:14,050
I yearn for the
British countryside.
1787
01:32:14,137 --> 01:32:15,573
[honks car]
1788
01:32:15,660 --> 01:32:18,097
Or because its made only
from British milk?
1789
01:32:18,184 --> 01:32:20,273
[cows moo]
1790
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,928
It's not about Great Britain,
it's about great butter.
1791
01:32:23,015 --> 01:32:26,149
Yeah, a butter company
approaches and, you know,
1792
01:32:26,236 --> 01:32:30,980
to be the, the spokesperson
or figurehead for butter?
1793
01:32:31,067 --> 01:32:32,634
[laughs]
1794
01:32:32,721 --> 01:32:35,550
And naturally, instinctively,
I said no but
1795
01:32:35,637 --> 01:32:37,856
they said I'm basically
a free hand.
1796
01:32:37,943 --> 01:32:39,815
The money wasn't complete genius
1797
01:32:39,902 --> 01:32:41,643
that came out of it,
let me tell you.
1798
01:32:41,730 --> 01:32:44,646
They got me on the cheap. But it
1799
01:32:44,733 --> 01:32:47,649
definitely helped us set up PiL.
1800
01:32:47,736 --> 01:32:51,740
[music playing]
1801
01:32:51,827 --> 01:32:54,656
When I rang up Bruce,
we haven't spoke in,
1802
01:32:54,743 --> 01:32:57,659
oh, 18 years,
something like that.
1803
01:32:57,746 --> 01:32:58,964
I'm like, "Hello." He goes,
1804
01:32:59,051 --> 01:33:00,096
"Hello, John."
1805
01:33:00,183 --> 01:33:02,011
I certainly wasn't expecting it.
1806
01:33:02,098 --> 01:33:05,101
Anybody said was, "If we can get
this off the ground," you know,
1807
01:33:05,188 --> 01:33:07,843
"would-- will you play?"
It's kind of like that.
1808
01:33:07,930 --> 01:33:11,977
Louis was just hilariously
difficult to talk to.
1809
01:33:12,064 --> 01:33:15,459
"Are you sure? You're putting
your own money in it, John."
1810
01:33:15,546 --> 01:33:17,374
"Don't put your own
money into it."
1811
01:33:17,461 --> 01:33:19,768
I'm like,
"You can't be serious."
1812
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,774
'Cause I remember John before
1813
01:33:25,861 --> 01:33:30,169
and he was, I guess, pretty
different than he is now.
1814
01:33:31,301 --> 01:33:33,869
I think the difference is Rambo.
1815
01:33:33,956 --> 01:33:36,567
As a manager, he's got
John into a position
1816
01:33:36,654 --> 01:33:38,700
where John can feel
that he can do
1817
01:33:38,787 --> 01:33:41,224
this, you know, in
a particular way.
1818
01:33:41,311 --> 01:33:43,879
I'll tell you, when I rang
Wobble and spoke to him,
1819
01:33:43,966 --> 01:33:46,403
I didn't recognize
his voice at all.
1820
01:33:50,102 --> 01:33:52,801
John called me. I was
getting me feet done.
1821
01:33:52,888 --> 01:33:55,717
It's already nice summer's
day, rather cold.
1822
01:33:55,804 --> 01:33:59,068
I like the old reflexology.
Yeah, they talked about
1823
01:33:59,155 --> 01:34:01,374
doing, you know,
Would you come with us?
1824
01:34:01,461 --> 01:34:04,595
I said, "Well, look... My people
are sort of your people."
1825
01:34:04,682 --> 01:34:05,727
You know, so...
1826
01:34:05,814 --> 01:34:08,164
For me, it wasn't the venue
1827
01:34:08,251 --> 01:34:11,080
we used to play either. It
wasn't the way to do it either.
1828
01:34:11,167 --> 01:34:15,388
So aesthetically, financially,
could go over the first hurdle.
1829
01:34:15,475 --> 01:34:20,132
And then it was really
the bass player and Scott.
1830
01:34:20,219 --> 01:34:21,438
It was great.
1831
01:34:21,525 --> 01:34:24,441
[music playing]
1832
01:34:24,528 --> 01:34:28,097
And I looked to his website
and I thought, "Just genius."
1833
01:34:28,184 --> 01:34:30,055
He's perfect PiL.
1834
01:34:30,142 --> 01:34:33,624
He wrote everyone from Stevie
Winwood to the Spice Girls.
1835
01:34:33,711 --> 01:34:37,846
That sense of openness
is completely
1836
01:34:37,933 --> 01:34:40,544
what I'm always looking
for in a human being.
1837
01:34:40,631 --> 01:34:44,374
Major thing he was trying to
make us all fit as one thing.
1838
01:34:44,461 --> 01:34:46,115
Because he got the old stuff
1839
01:34:46,202 --> 01:34:48,073
and all the stuff through
the 80s and 90s,
1840
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,119
he's trying to
make it fit as art.
1841
01:34:50,206 --> 01:34:52,643
So like it's, it's coming from
the same place
1842
01:34:52,730 --> 01:34:54,123
where we played it live.
1843
01:34:54,210 --> 01:34:57,126
[music plays]
1844
01:35:04,002 --> 01:35:05,787
They did first rehearsals,
1845
01:35:05,874 --> 01:35:07,789
absolutely guaranteed
to be the--
1846
01:35:07,876 --> 01:35:09,791
These lads, my gosh.
1847
01:35:09,878 --> 01:35:13,316
I mean, I put them in
a room, I arrive slightly late
1848
01:35:13,403 --> 01:35:15,187
the first day of rehearsal.
1849
01:35:15,274 --> 01:35:18,669
And they were already banging
way out of "Albatross".
1850
01:35:18,756 --> 01:35:22,194
You know, not the
most easiest of, of,
1851
01:35:22,281 --> 01:35:25,676
of free form things
to be approaching
1852
01:35:25,763 --> 01:35:27,765
but gosh, I walked straight
into the room,
1853
01:35:27,852 --> 01:35:30,507
straight on to the mic,
and bang, that was it.
1854
01:35:30,594 --> 01:35:35,947
♪ If I wanted to ♪
1855
01:35:36,034 --> 01:35:38,602
'Cause it gets hard. Some
of the players like "Albatross".
1856
01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:41,823
There are no parts.
There's just this
1857
01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:44,564
scene that, scene this,
scene just-- and they,
1858
01:35:44,651 --> 01:35:47,829
and you can't say when
anything will follow anything.
1859
01:35:47,916 --> 01:35:50,614
And when John's singing,
I have to sort of,
1860
01:35:50,701 --> 01:35:52,050
sometimes I have
to preempt things,
1861
01:35:52,137 --> 01:35:53,835
sometimes I have
to be after him.
1862
01:35:53,922 --> 01:35:55,837
I've got no idea
every time I play.
1863
01:35:55,924 --> 01:35:59,014
And I'd never want to play
it the same way twice
1864
01:35:59,101 --> 01:36:01,016
because it would kill him.
1865
01:36:01,103 --> 01:36:04,715
♪ You are and always will be ♪
1866
01:36:04,802 --> 01:36:07,283
♪ Unbearable ♪
1867
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:12,549
♪ You ran away ♪
1868
01:36:12,636 --> 01:36:15,334
♪ You ran away ♪
1869
01:36:16,553 --> 01:36:20,122
♪ You ran away ♪
1870
01:36:20,949 --> 01:36:26,432
♪ You ran away ♪
1871
01:36:32,221 --> 01:36:36,225
[John] I have many, many
managers over the years.
1872
01:36:36,312 --> 01:36:38,227
You constantly tryna
1873
01:36:38,314 --> 01:36:41,404
get some kind of structure in
my life that would work and,
1874
01:36:41,491 --> 01:36:43,928
and I find the only way that
really works best for me
1875
01:36:44,015 --> 01:36:46,496
is Rambo because he's,
1876
01:36:46,583 --> 01:36:48,890
he's um, he's like me
1877
01:36:48,977 --> 01:36:50,935
and he's not really dependable.
1878
01:36:51,849 --> 01:36:53,677
I just want a little man.
1879
01:36:53,764 --> 01:36:56,506
It isn't, Dave. It's not
quite finished yet.
1880
01:36:56,593 --> 01:36:58,073
Is this my standing position?
1881
01:36:58,160 --> 01:36:59,596
Indeed.
1882
01:36:59,683 --> 01:37:01,990
Am I allowed to go
outside or is that--
1883
01:37:02,077 --> 01:37:05,602
[John] I mean now, there's some
security presence in PiL, it is,
1884
01:37:05,689 --> 01:37:08,474
it's Rambo standing on one side.
1885
01:37:08,561 --> 01:37:10,825
So I'm there.
I'm also feeling, you know,
1886
01:37:10,912 --> 01:37:12,609
I don't wanna get too focused on
1887
01:37:12,696 --> 01:37:15,438
the music, I'm
watching the crowd.
1888
01:37:15,525 --> 01:37:18,267
I could spot someone that
might try to get on the stage.
1889
01:37:18,354 --> 01:37:21,923
If they get on stage,
sometimes they're okay.
1890
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:23,272
Some are like,
I'm gonna fight you.
1891
01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:27,667
♪ Better days ♪
1892
01:37:27,754 --> 01:37:32,150
♪ Better days will never be ♪
1893
01:37:32,237 --> 01:37:35,937
♪ Better days will never be ♪
1894
01:37:36,024 --> 01:37:41,986
♪ Better days will never be ♪
1895
01:37:47,078 --> 01:37:49,559
[John] Let's go
around once more.
1896
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,171
You fucking idiots.
1897
01:37:53,780 --> 01:37:57,088
[crowd cheers]
1898
01:37:58,089 --> 01:37:59,699
Yow!
1899
01:37:59,786 --> 01:38:02,441
With also like to watch
out as well when security,
1900
01:38:02,528 --> 01:38:05,401
security beating ourselves
to the crowd.
1901
01:38:05,488 --> 01:38:08,839
I'll let John know and I'll
let John say something.
1902
01:38:08,926 --> 01:38:09,971
You know, we don't
hold any punches,
1903
01:38:10,058 --> 01:38:11,494
we really love our crowd.
1904
01:38:11,581 --> 01:38:13,626
They come to support us so
1905
01:38:13,713 --> 01:38:14,976
you know, we really want them to
1906
01:38:15,063 --> 01:38:16,586
be part of it and
not be bullied.
1907
01:38:16,673 --> 01:38:18,327
[faint music]
1908
01:38:18,414 --> 01:38:21,678
There you go. Last night.
[sighs]
1909
01:38:21,765 --> 01:38:24,333
Before we start all over again.
1910
01:38:24,420 --> 01:38:26,988
I think I'm gonna miss it,
I'm gonna miss it like mad
1911
01:38:27,075 --> 01:38:30,469
and the gaps are gonna
drive me nuts.
1912
01:38:30,556 --> 01:38:34,952
'Cause I've got, I've got to
really, really like doing this.
1913
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:39,217
First time in 30 years.
It's like, it's not painful.
1914
01:38:39,304 --> 01:38:41,916
-It's fucking enjoyable.
-[laughter]
1915
01:38:42,003 --> 01:38:43,830
[exhales]
1916
01:38:43,918 --> 01:38:46,921
-First count.
-First count, come on.
1917
01:38:47,008 --> 01:38:50,054
-[John blowing nose]
-[crowd cheering]
1918
01:38:50,141 --> 01:38:53,753
Yeah, right. He's only
showing off for the camera.
1919
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,930
[crowd cheering]
1920
01:38:56,017 --> 01:38:57,627
[John] This is PiL!
1921
01:38:57,714 --> 01:38:59,194
[crowd cheers]
1922
01:38:59,281 --> 01:39:01,587
-[John] Hello!
-[crowd] Hello!
1923
01:39:01,674 --> 01:39:04,677
Are we ready, boys?
1924
01:39:06,157 --> 01:39:09,204
["Public Image" playing]
1925
01:39:11,989 --> 01:39:14,905
♪ Hello! Hello! ♪
1926
01:39:14,992 --> 01:39:18,648
♪ Hello, hello, hello! ♪
1927
01:39:30,834 --> 01:39:34,185
♪ You never listened
To a word that I said ♪
1928
01:39:34,272 --> 01:39:37,232
♪ You only seen me from
The clothes that I wear ♪
1929
01:39:37,319 --> 01:39:40,409
♪ Or did the interest
Go so much deeper ♪
1930
01:39:40,496 --> 01:39:43,673
♪ It must have been to
The color of my hair ♪
1931
01:39:45,718 --> 01:39:49,635
♪ Public image ♪
1932
01:39:55,685 --> 01:39:59,254
♪ Oh what you wanted
Was never made clear ♪
1933
01:39:59,341 --> 01:40:02,518
♪ Behind the image was
Ignorance and fear ♪
1934
01:40:02,605 --> 01:40:05,651
♪ You hide behind
This public machine ♪
1935
01:40:05,738 --> 01:40:08,698
♪ You still follow
Same old scheme ♪
1936
01:40:10,961 --> 01:40:14,443
♪ Public image ♪
1937
01:40:14,530 --> 01:40:19,796
I have to be this centrifugal
force or this will fall apart.
1938
01:40:19,883 --> 01:40:24,105
It needs direction like I
suppose everything in life.
1939
01:40:25,062 --> 01:40:28,587
Gosh, I think
I'm advocating monarchy.
1940
01:40:28,674 --> 01:40:30,894
[laughs]
1941
01:40:30,981 --> 01:40:34,419
♪ Public image ♪
1942
01:40:35,072 --> 01:40:37,422
Hello!
1943
01:40:37,509 --> 01:40:41,252
[crowd cheers]
1944
01:40:45,648 --> 01:40:49,304
["Shoom" playing]
1945
01:40:59,923 --> 01:41:02,186
♪ Fuck you ♪
1946
01:41:03,361 --> 01:41:05,450
♪ Fuck off ♪
1947
01:41:06,103 --> 01:41:08,236
♪ Fuck sex ♪
1948
01:41:10,847 --> 01:41:13,197
♪ Ya bollocks ♪
1949
01:41:15,156 --> 01:41:17,027
[door closes]
1950
01:41:17,114 --> 01:41:18,724
[laughter]
1951
01:41:18,811 --> 01:41:21,466
[inaudible]
1952
01:41:21,553 --> 01:41:23,207
[laughter]
1953
01:41:23,294 --> 01:41:26,689
[Allan] That was wow. I haven't
seen you in so long.
1954
01:41:26,776 --> 01:41:29,431
[John] Well, that must
be fucked up, you know...
1955
01:41:29,518 --> 01:41:32,477
Can't make it any
worse than this.
1956
01:41:32,564 --> 01:41:34,044
[filmmaker] And you were
friends from youth?
1957
01:41:34,131 --> 01:41:35,872
-Yes.
-This is great.
1958
01:41:35,959 --> 01:41:37,830
About 12. 11, 12.
1959
01:41:37,917 --> 01:41:40,529
Well, that's the best
of friends like any else.
1960
01:41:40,616 --> 01:41:41,965
Yeah, it is.
1961
01:41:42,052 --> 01:41:43,184
-[inaudible]
-I know.
1962
01:41:43,271 --> 01:41:44,533
-But it's true.
-[laughter]
1963
01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:50,539
[indistinct chatter]
1964
01:41:52,976 --> 01:41:57,372
[John]... we'll not be enemies,
laying out all of them...
1965
01:41:57,850 --> 01:42:01,724
[chanting]
1966
01:42:01,811 --> 01:42:07,295
[host] Ladies and gentlemen,
BMI's 2013 Icon,
1967
01:42:07,382 --> 01:42:10,863
-Mr. John Lydon!
-[applause]
1968
01:42:11,908 --> 01:42:13,605
♪ Is another ♪
1969
01:42:13,692 --> 01:42:17,261
- ♪ Fuck off ♪
-[crowd] Fuck off!
1970
01:42:17,348 --> 01:42:21,309
- ♪ Fuck off ♪
-[crowd] Fuck off!
1971
01:42:22,179 --> 01:42:24,486
♪ Fuck off ♪
1972
01:42:26,662 --> 01:42:29,230
["The One" playing]
1973
01:42:29,317 --> 01:42:31,623
♪ Ah wooo ♪
1974
01:42:34,322 --> 01:42:37,499
♪ Ah wooo ♪
1975
01:42:37,586 --> 01:42:40,241
♪ Maybe you were there ♪
1976
01:42:40,328 --> 01:42:43,026
♪ Or maybe you can
Struck with me ♪
1977
01:42:43,113 --> 01:42:45,637
♪ Somebody there ♪
1978
01:42:45,724 --> 01:42:48,292
♪ Or maybe they are with me ♪
1979
01:42:48,379 --> 01:42:50,903
♪ And in the embers veil ♪
1980
01:42:50,990 --> 01:42:56,126
♪ Get up in the fire
So when the boat comes in ♪
1981
01:42:56,213 --> 01:43:02,350
♪ You're not be the one
So when the boat comes down ♪
1982
01:43:02,437 --> 01:43:08,269
♪ You're not be a clown ♪
1983
01:43:10,401 --> 01:43:13,187
♪ Ah wooo ♪
1984
01:43:16,364 --> 01:43:19,280
♪ Yeah you got that one ♪
1985
01:43:19,367 --> 01:43:23,501
♪ You're not a clown ♪
1986
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:32,728
♪ You're not the one ♪
1987
01:43:33,381 --> 01:43:36,297
♪ Wondering ♪
1988
01:43:38,255 --> 01:43:42,912
♪ Where you can put that sun ♪
1989
01:43:44,392 --> 01:43:48,439
♪ Under the moon ♪
1990
01:43:50,049 --> 01:43:53,009
♪ Or maybe I'll be home ♪
1991
01:43:55,403 --> 01:43:59,233
♪ Like a modern man ♪
1992
01:44:00,799 --> 01:44:04,934
♪ With a full feather plan ♪
1993
01:44:06,588 --> 01:44:10,679
♪ Maybe you're the one ♪
1994
01:44:12,333 --> 01:44:16,598
♪ Maybe you're the one ♪
1995
01:44:17,947 --> 01:44:21,820
♪ Maybe you're the one ♪
1996
01:44:26,434 --> 01:44:28,305
♪ Ah wooo ♪
1997
01:44:32,135 --> 01:44:34,746
♪ Ah wooo ♪
1998
01:44:39,142 --> 01:44:41,362
♪ Ooh ♪
1999
01:44:43,407 --> 01:44:45,801
♪ One ♪
2000
01:44:46,497 --> 01:44:48,673
[music fades out]
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