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How can I help? 2 00:00:18,346 --> 00:00:21,028 Yes, Please send the pictures through to us. 3 00:00:22,241 --> 00:00:24,000 And he saw them together? 4 00:00:27,027 --> 00:00:28,384 May I take your name? 5 00:00:29,397 --> 00:00:30,703 Pernille Rønnebæk. 6 00:00:31,872 --> 00:00:34,469 And it was in the harbour area at 19.10 that you saw them? 7 00:00:36,424 --> 00:00:38,791 Yes, please send any photos to us. 8 00:01:01,836 --> 00:01:06,274 The Investigation 9 00:01:08,352 --> 00:01:11,979 Day 4 14ᵗʰ August 2017 10 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,017 My guys are cataloging and describing each item that we have found. 11 00:02:12,235 --> 00:02:15,391 We could immediately conclude there was human blood in the submarine. 12 00:02:16,114 --> 00:02:16,725 Okay. 13 00:02:17,604 --> 00:02:18,548 How much? 14 00:02:18,557 --> 00:02:20,773 Not, that much. And there is no guarantee that it is her blood. 15 00:02:20,957 --> 00:02:23,485 38,000 litres of salt water has been through the sub, so 16 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:25,710 finding anything is an achievement in itself. 17 00:02:25,786 --> 00:02:27,681 But you have sent the blood for DNA analysis? 18 00:02:27,801 --> 00:02:28,812 Yes, of course. 19 00:02:29,241 --> 00:02:31,301 We just don't know if it is enough to get a match. 20 00:02:31,904 --> 00:02:35,307 In addition we found a green water hose and some iron bars. 21 00:02:35,965 --> 00:02:39,089 Let's catch up later when we are ready to hand it over to you. 22 00:02:39,691 --> 00:02:42,977 Anna, in your expert opinion - what happened? 23 00:02:43,699 --> 00:02:47,179 Let us finish our job and then it is all yours by the end of the day. Okay? 24 00:02:52,844 --> 00:02:57,021 The phone lines have been glowing all morning with all sorts of info from the public. 25 00:02:57,314 --> 00:03:00,979 Some that state that the accused and the journalist knew each other. 26 00:03:01,226 --> 00:03:04,564 That they were having an affair and well known pair in Copenhagen's S&M scene. 27 00:03:04,737 --> 00:03:07,559 Some say that he has a very active and advanced sex life. 28 00:03:07,942 --> 00:03:12,476 And his closest friends state that he is innocent and it must be a misunderstanding. 29 00:03:14,133 --> 00:03:16,056 And when will the room be ready for us? 30 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:17,889 Should be ready in couple of hours. 31 00:03:18,838 --> 00:03:19,387 Hi. 32 00:03:19,387 --> 00:03:19,843 Hello. 33 00:03:20,549 --> 00:03:24,586 And then we have received a video taken by a tourist shortly after 8pm. 34 00:03:24,707 --> 00:03:27,728 On it we can see a small motorised boat next to the submarine. 35 00:03:29,321 --> 00:03:30,099 How close? 36 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:32,858 Close enough to easily go between the two. 37 00:03:33,537 --> 00:03:34,707 And who was in this boat? 38 00:03:34,707 --> 00:03:35,422 We don’t know. 39 00:03:35,427 --> 00:03:39,111 The video is taken around 100 metres away from a ferry, so we can't see who it is. 40 00:03:39,926 --> 00:03:41,386 Did anyone board the submarine? 41 00:03:41,651 --> 00:03:43,475 Was it not just the two of them, then? 42 00:03:43,532 --> 00:03:46,061 Or she got off and she was not on-board when the sub sank. 43 00:03:49,914 --> 00:03:50,629 It's Jens. 44 00:03:51,563 --> 00:03:52,296 Yes. 45 00:03:53,198 --> 00:03:54,735 I have no comment at this time. 46 00:03:54,821 --> 00:03:55,255 Mmmm 47 00:03:56,003 --> 00:03:58,490 Yes, you will be the first to know. 48 00:03:58,869 --> 00:04:01,395 You probably all know Jakob Buch, our Special Prosecutor. 49 00:04:02,863 --> 00:04:06,898 He's not here to interfere in our work, but to tell us about his. 50 00:04:07,942 --> 00:04:09,408 Over to you, Jakob. 51 00:04:10,041 --> 00:04:11,074 Yes. Thank you. 52 00:04:14,965 --> 00:04:19,667 As most of you know, the suspect was remanded in custody for 53 00:04:19,692 --> 00:04:24,185 4 weeks on Saturday on the grounds of Negligent Homicide. 54 00:04:25,222 --> 00:04:31,964 He may appeal that, but you should have at least 4 weeks to make progress in the case. 55 00:04:32,562 --> 00:04:36,236 I neither can nor want to interfere in the 56 00:04:36,261 --> 00:04:40,849 investigation, but I need to highlight the importance 57 00:04:40,874 --> 00:04:44,847 of finding sufficient evidence of intention so 58 00:04:44,872 --> 00:04:49,113 we can have him locked up for the right reason. 59 00:04:49,253 --> 00:04:53,607 Now there are many possibilities and theories. 60 00:04:53,731 --> 00:04:56,116 Maybe they knew each other already. 61 00:04:56,116 --> 00:04:57,833 Maybe they had an affair. 62 00:04:57,856 --> 00:05:00,790 Maybe the hatch did kill her or maybe something completely different. 63 00:05:01,230 --> 00:05:04,051 All of these are theories and as you know there 64 00:05:04,076 --> 00:05:06,783 is a big difference between facts and theory. 65 00:05:07,067 --> 00:05:09,398 A theory is something we cannot prove. 66 00:05:09,509 --> 00:05:11,746 Facts are something we can prove. 67 00:05:12,021 --> 00:05:14,830 And if we are talking about murder, then I need to be able to prove it. 68 00:05:14,851 --> 00:05:15,808 Otherwise he walks. 69 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:16,708 It's that simple. 70 00:05:16,713 --> 00:05:18,796 I thought you would not interfere in our work? 71 00:05:20,690 --> 00:05:27,587 I am not, but the quality of my work is totally depending on the quality of your work. 72 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,518 So - all hands on deck. 73 00:05:31,605 --> 00:05:32,198 Thank you. 74 00:05:32,373 --> 00:05:32,879 Thanks. 75 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:47,299 A person can die in one of 4 ways: - Natural Death, Accident, Suicide or Murder. 76 00:05:47,799 --> 00:05:50,200 The accused claims it was an accident. 77 00:05:50,247 --> 00:05:51,515 We believe it was murder. 78 00:05:51,921 --> 00:05:54,288 So these are the two possibilities we are faced with. 79 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:56,246 Therefore. 80 00:05:58,887 --> 00:05:59,823 Murder. 81 00:06:08,436 --> 00:06:09,430 Accident. 82 00:06:10,936 --> 00:06:16,725 We know from CCTV, photos and witnesses that the submarine sails off at around 19.00. 83 00:06:16,736 --> 00:06:19,921 We know that she sent a text message to her boyfriend at 20.25. 84 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:26,718 And she writes: 'still alive, btw (that means By the Way) going down now. i love you.' 85 00:06:27,103 --> 00:06:30,924 You gotta ask if there are signs there that she is afraid of something. 86 00:06:31,041 --> 00:06:32,630 It doesn't really seem so. 87 00:06:33,015 --> 00:06:36,121 She was a journalist so she is used to work in different situations. 88 00:06:36,534 --> 00:06:40,596 And on all the pictures we have from the departure she is happy and smiling. 89 00:06:41,696 --> 00:06:42,234 So 90 00:06:44,496 --> 00:06:51,084 Text message to the boyfriend at 20.25. 91 00:06:52,516 --> 00:06:54,557 Thereafter we have a black hole. 92 00:06:54,943 --> 00:07:03,387 Until the submarine is seen next morning at 10.00 and then suddenly it sinks at 10.22. 93 00:07:05,053 --> 00:07:07,777 And the accused is rescued on-board a small boat and 94 00:07:07,802 --> 00:07:10,368 taken to Dragør Harbour and brought into our custody. 95 00:07:19,363 --> 00:07:26,549 So, what happened in those 14 hours, between 8.25pm and 10.22am? 96 00:07:26,997 --> 00:07:27,597 Yes? 97 00:07:27,996 --> 00:07:31,597 I'm trying to find out who keeps tabs on the sea traffic in Øresund. 98 00:07:31,719 --> 00:07:34,323 And if this is stored and of good enough 99 00:07:34,348 --> 00:07:37,044 quality to see the movements of the submarine. 100 00:07:37,261 --> 00:07:42,566 And it looks like I need to go over to Malmö to get this info. 101 00:07:42,566 --> 00:07:45,004 So, I'll have to report on that later. 102 00:07:46,392 --> 00:07:47,054 Musa? 103 00:07:47,963 --> 00:07:50,902 As part of the questioning of the accused, 104 00:07:50,927 --> 00:07:53,626 I came across an article in a Sunday paper. 105 00:07:54,482 --> 00:07:56,127 Our accused makes a statement. 106 00:07:56,493 --> 00:07:57,336 He says: 107 00:07:57,979 --> 00:08:00,286 I hope to get famous for a criminal act. 108 00:08:00,367 --> 00:08:03,617 Not robbing a bank - Shit no. No one should be hurt. 109 00:08:04,593 --> 00:08:08,862 Secretly I want to build a gigantic fireballoon and fly it over Copenhagen. 110 00:08:08,917 --> 00:08:12,571 With a fleet of police cars following me below. 111 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:15,546 The balloon will land in-between the spires on Roskilde 112 00:08:15,571 --> 00:08:17,743 Cathedral while the police wait to capture me. 113 00:08:17,791 --> 00:08:19,016 And then he says, and I quote: 114 00:08:19,964 --> 00:08:22,851 I don't know if it is exactly this that will happen 115 00:08:22,876 --> 00:08:25,584 but I sure want to make a 'Gigantic Happening.' 116 00:08:35,608 --> 00:08:37,834 Then we apparently have the third possibility. 117 00:08:38,546 --> 00:08:39,246 Yes. 118 00:08:40,067 --> 00:08:41,212 Uhhh, Maibritt? 119 00:08:41,495 --> 00:08:41,949 Yes? 120 00:08:42,038 --> 00:08:44,093 The small boat that was next to the submarine. 121 00:08:44,188 --> 00:08:45,943 We need to find who was sailing it. 122 00:08:45,970 --> 00:08:46,872 Okay. 123 00:08:57,373 --> 00:08:58,481 Happening! 124 00:09:00,613 --> 00:09:02,606 Could she have gone over to the small boat? 125 00:09:03,457 --> 00:09:08,020 And sat there hiding while she wrote an article about being a victim of a crime. 126 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:11,327 That would be a bit of a 'happening!' 127 00:09:12,026 --> 00:09:13,843 But one where no one got hurt. 128 00:09:18,936 --> 00:09:21,893 This is Maibritt Porse from Copenhagen Police. 129 00:09:22,503 --> 00:09:25,240 I'm calling as we are looking for the owner of a small 130 00:09:25,265 --> 00:09:27,865 motorboat in relation to a case we are investigating. 131 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:34,350 Oh, I don't know exactly, but we think it is around 24 feet. 132 00:09:35,736 --> 00:09:36,500 Yes. 133 00:09:37,718 --> 00:09:41,155 I understand. But I thought you could maybe forward a e-mail to 134 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:44,578 your members and ask them to contact us if they know anything. 135 00:09:47,363 --> 00:09:48,296 Fantastic. 136 00:09:49,831 --> 00:09:51,048 What's your e-mail? 137 00:09:53,814 --> 00:09:54,339 Yes. 138 00:09:55,724 --> 00:09:57,557 and... is it - dot com? 139 00:09:58,663 --> 00:09:59,661 ah, DK. 140 00:09:59,989 --> 00:10:00,788 Okay. 141 00:10:01,038 --> 00:10:01,862 Thank you. 142 00:10:03,187 --> 00:10:04,400 I will be in touch. 143 00:10:04,898 --> 00:10:05,498 Bye. 144 00:10:11,494 --> 00:10:12,442 Any news? 145 00:10:12,503 --> 00:10:13,429 No, not yet. 146 00:10:13,611 --> 00:10:16,612 But I am calling all sailing clubs within 45km, also on 147 00:10:16,637 --> 00:10:19,633 the Swedish side and ask them to contact their members. 148 00:10:20,088 --> 00:10:20,978 We wait and see. 149 00:10:21,148 --> 00:10:24,534 Musa went to pick up a young man who works at the accused workshop. 150 00:10:25,129 --> 00:10:26,819 I would like you to question him. 151 00:10:26,890 --> 00:10:27,445 Okay. 152 00:10:27,824 --> 00:10:30,269 We have also made contact with one of his girlfriends. 153 00:10:30,461 --> 00:10:32,394 Maybe one of them knows something. 154 00:10:32,906 --> 00:10:34,626 Musa has prepared room #5. 155 00:10:39,411 --> 00:10:41,140 Imagine if it's all just a 'happening.' 156 00:11:13,463 --> 00:11:14,780 Do you know why you are here? 157 00:11:17,034 --> 00:11:17,705 Yes. 158 00:11:17,805 --> 00:11:18,259 Good. 159 00:11:18,299 --> 00:11:20,063 Then let's get straight to the point. 160 00:11:20,565 --> 00:11:21,821 How long have you known him? 161 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,400 For...2 years. 162 00:11:24,357 --> 00:11:25,912 What do you do when you are together? 163 00:11:28,481 --> 00:11:29,581 All sorts... 164 00:11:30,041 --> 00:11:32,202 I mean, I help him in the workshop. 165 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:37,089 He's always got some crazy stuff going on. 166 00:11:37,379 --> 00:11:38,585 Like what? 167 00:11:40,716 --> 00:11:43,153 Well... nothing dangerous. 168 00:11:43,913 --> 00:11:44,751 Just.... 169 00:11:47,257 --> 00:11:48,595 ummmm well... 170 00:11:49,806 --> 00:11:53,933 I cannot possibly imagine that he's done anything to this woman. 171 00:11:54,099 --> 00:11:57,035 No, but we are just simply trying to find out what's happened. 172 00:12:00,324 --> 00:12:04,639 We..we talk a lot about the war and... 173 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,273 sometimes we just speak German to each other. 174 00:12:09,536 --> 00:12:12,503 Have you ever seen him angry or aggressive? 175 00:12:13,114 --> 00:12:16,264 Well.. he has a temper, right? 176 00:12:18,328 --> 00:12:19,107 But... 177 00:12:20,114 --> 00:12:23,213 That's required to achieve anything in this world, eh? 178 00:12:23,264 --> 00:12:23,590 Mmmm 179 00:12:24,098 --> 00:12:25,379 What else did you talk about? 180 00:12:26,634 --> 00:12:28,958 We....we just talk a lot. 181 00:12:29,466 --> 00:12:30,315 About what? 182 00:12:31,411 --> 00:12:31,883 Well... 183 00:12:32,743 --> 00:12:35,672 Our future plans... and fantasies... and 184 00:12:35,979 --> 00:12:37,604 What sort of fantasies? 185 00:12:43,727 --> 00:12:44,790 I don't know. 186 00:12:46,835 --> 00:12:47,919 It's not.... 187 00:12:48,932 --> 00:12:50,172 anything specific. 188 00:12:52,239 --> 00:12:53,598 When will you let him go? 189 00:12:53,738 --> 00:12:56,189 He's been placed in 4 weeks detention. 190 00:12:56,568 --> 00:12:58,315 But that's decided by the judge. 191 00:13:00,281 --> 00:13:00,931 But... 192 00:13:01,426 --> 00:13:03,119 You don't seriously think he's killed her? 193 00:13:03,218 --> 00:13:05,818 The only thing I think, is that you are not telling us everything. 194 00:13:06,493 --> 00:13:07,568 What do you mean? 195 00:13:07,618 --> 00:13:09,080 What exactly did you talk about? 196 00:13:09,151 --> 00:13:10,583 Exactly what fantasies? 197 00:13:11,176 --> 00:13:14,703 We talked a lot... about 2ⁿᵈ World War 198 00:13:14,871 --> 00:13:16,804 and projects for the workshop 199 00:13:17,218 --> 00:13:17,951 and... 200 00:13:18,505 --> 00:13:20,647 historical persons 201 00:13:20,732 --> 00:13:22,577 perfect crimes 202 00:13:23,258 --> 00:13:24,258 hot air balloons. 203 00:13:25,584 --> 00:13:27,549 We are both fascinated by this. 204 00:13:38,234 --> 00:13:41,639 The accused has explained he threw the body in the sea between 205 00:13:41,664 --> 00:13:45,587 Falsterbro in Sweden and Vedøre and there are some 35km between the two. 206 00:13:46,023 --> 00:13:51,000 For each specified area we set 4 buoy's and create a square on the seabed. 207 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,235 Bottom up to the buoy is called a 'stage.' 208 00:13:55,393 --> 00:13:56,649 20m by 200m. 209 00:13:56,733 --> 00:14:00,541 3 divers together swim from side to side 210 00:14:00,741 --> 00:14:03,109 and search to seabed to ensure we don't miss anything. 211 00:14:03,151 --> 00:14:07,383 Once a 'stage' is fully searched, we move the buoy's and create a new 'stage' 212 00:14:08,177 --> 00:14:11,784 And we carry on and on and on, square after square after square. 213 00:14:13,696 --> 00:14:15,591 I fully understand this is not simple, but... 214 00:14:16,127 --> 00:14:19,205 If we can't narrow it down more, then it could take a 215 00:14:19,230 --> 00:14:22,179 hell of long time to go through the whole Øresund. 216 00:14:25,055 --> 00:14:25,841 This is Jens. 217 00:14:28,232 --> 00:14:30,170 Yes, you can write that we have helicopters 218 00:14:30,195 --> 00:14:32,171 in the air and dogs all along the coastline. 219 00:14:32,493 --> 00:14:33,839 Yes, and also divers in the sea. 220 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:37,130 No, that's not possible right now. 221 00:14:38,682 --> 00:14:42,394 No... I promise you will be the first to know. 222 00:14:44,060 --> 00:14:44,534 hmmm? 223 00:14:44,635 --> 00:14:45,331 Okay. Good. 224 00:14:47,496 --> 00:14:49,130 We need to get going. 225 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:53,761 We won't find anything hanging around here. 226 00:15:04,091 --> 00:15:06,221 - Hello Jens. - Hello Joachim. 227 00:15:07,074 --> 00:15:07,791 Hello. 228 00:15:08,035 --> 00:15:10,736 I...I would like to go through Kim's computer, 229 00:15:10,761 --> 00:15:12,863 so I have asked Swedish police to pick it up. 230 00:15:13,914 --> 00:15:14,795 What for? 231 00:15:16,205 --> 00:15:19,964 Just to see if there is anything there that can help us. 232 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,066 Like what? 233 00:15:23,310 --> 00:15:29,183 Like for example... e-mails, or photos, Facebook messages. Maybe they knew each other. 234 00:15:30,178 --> 00:15:32,355 No, they didn't. No. No.. 235 00:15:32,355 --> 00:15:34,267 Isn't it important that we confirm that? 236 00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:39,094 Right, but.. Do you have a warrant? 237 00:15:41,489 --> 00:15:44,406 No... no We don't. 238 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,708 I'm not sure we can just let you go through her stuff. 239 00:15:50,256 --> 00:15:52,322 Uhh. I don't get it. Why not? 240 00:15:53,359 --> 00:15:55,121 Because Kim is a journalist, Jens. 241 00:15:55,688 --> 00:15:56,319 Yes? 242 00:15:56,812 --> 00:15:59,630 There will be info on lot of people that... 243 00:16:00,130 --> 00:16:04,176 could end up in danger and need protection. 244 00:16:06,218 --> 00:16:09,652 There are women that risk their lives for their beliefs. 245 00:16:10,380 --> 00:16:12,215 And they trust her confidentiality. 246 00:16:12,293 --> 00:16:15,539 Joachim. We are only interested in something linked to the case. 247 00:16:16,339 --> 00:16:20,888 Yes, but if we just hand over her computer and passwords then we have 248 00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:25,266 no guarantee that you or someone else don't also read all the rest. 249 00:16:25,738 --> 00:16:29,645 No, no. I need to speak to Ingrid first. 250 00:16:34,708 --> 00:16:36,434 How would you describe your relationship? 251 00:16:37,142 --> 00:16:39,309 Uhhh... as a good relationship! 252 00:16:39,610 --> 00:16:40,202 Yes? 253 00:16:40,222 --> 00:16:40,824 Yes. 254 00:16:41,190 --> 00:16:43,465 Are you friends? or in relationship? or.. 255 00:16:43,663 --> 00:16:44,805 No, we are friends. 256 00:16:45,267 --> 00:16:46,050 and... 257 00:16:46,261 --> 00:16:47,473 then..also a bit... 258 00:16:50,622 --> 00:16:51,757 also a bit? 259 00:16:52,688 --> 00:16:53,455 Yes. 260 00:16:56,008 --> 00:16:57,423 So, you sleep together? 261 00:16:57,427 --> 00:16:58,367 - Yes. - Right. 262 00:16:58,594 --> 00:16:59,246 Well... 263 00:17:00,936 --> 00:17:01,516 Yes. 264 00:17:02,594 --> 00:17:03,211 Yes. 265 00:17:05,411 --> 00:17:07,825 Has he ever been violent or aggressive towards you? 266 00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:08,569 No. 267 00:17:14,379 --> 00:17:16,467 Well, unless we agree on it upfront. 268 00:17:17,362 --> 00:17:19,646 And it is part of the game. 269 00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:21,270 Right. 270 00:17:22,648 --> 00:17:23,299 Okay. 271 00:17:24,299 --> 00:17:29,565 Uhhh... and then we went sometimes to S&M and Fetish parties. 272 00:17:30,528 --> 00:17:32,977 But it was difficult to get him to do anything. 273 00:17:35,188 --> 00:17:36,698 Because he is very polite. 274 00:17:37,324 --> 00:17:38,590 And very careful. 275 00:17:40,022 --> 00:17:41,984 Have you ever met the Swedish journalist? 276 00:17:42,008 --> 00:17:43,867 [shaking head] 277 00:17:44,037 --> 00:17:45,357 Has he talked about her? 278 00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:46,954 No, never. 279 00:17:47,047 --> 00:17:48,008 - No? - No. 280 00:17:49,345 --> 00:17:49,956 Okay. 281 00:17:56,386 --> 00:17:58,133 Have you been into the submarine? 282 00:17:58,954 --> 00:18:00,357 [nodding head] 283 00:18:00,837 --> 00:18:02,094 Have you sailed in it? 284 00:18:02,487 --> 00:18:03,213 Yes. 285 00:18:06,941 --> 00:18:08,310 Did you have sex in it? 286 00:18:10,408 --> 00:18:11,451 [nodding head] 287 00:18:14,274 --> 00:18:15,162 Many times? 288 00:18:16,417 --> 00:18:17,864 No, just once. 289 00:18:18,735 --> 00:18:19,809 How was it? 290 00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:23,581 Uhh...what do you mean? 291 00:18:24,764 --> 00:18:26,663 I mean was it S&M stuff or normal sex? 292 00:18:26,664 --> 00:18:29,337 No. it was just normal sex. It was just... 293 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,069 Yes it was, I think. 294 00:18:32,076 --> 00:18:32,784 Loving. 295 00:18:46,763 --> 00:18:47,808 Listen now. 296 00:18:48,305 --> 00:18:49,950 He is not a monster. 297 00:18:50,674 --> 00:18:52,041 He really isn't. 298 00:18:57,739 --> 00:19:00,932 Of course I don't know what happened, but I'm sure he didn't do anything wrong. 299 00:19:01,378 --> 00:19:02,591 I'm sure of it. 300 00:19:20,133 --> 00:19:20,635 Hi. 301 00:19:20,897 --> 00:19:21,373 Hello. 302 00:19:21,374 --> 00:19:21,817 Hi. 303 00:19:22,463 --> 00:19:24,208 I've asked Jakob to join us. 304 00:19:25,069 --> 00:19:26,950 So he can get a picture of where we are at. 305 00:19:29,185 --> 00:19:30,076 Where is Musa? 306 00:19:30,743 --> 00:19:32,092 He went out to the submarine. 307 00:19:32,505 --> 00:19:33,686 Have forensics finished with it? 308 00:19:33,735 --> 00:19:34,259 No. 309 00:19:34,485 --> 00:19:36,691 But he couldn't wait any longer. 310 00:19:37,317 --> 00:19:37,830 Right. 311 00:19:39,371 --> 00:19:39,945 Nikolaj? 312 00:19:40,104 --> 00:19:43,651 Yes. I have created a time-line where I have highlighted facts. 313 00:19:43,814 --> 00:19:47,938 and.... what we don't know. So we are up to date here. 314 00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:52,062 Unfortunately I have not yet been able to chart the route the submarine took. 315 00:19:52,062 --> 00:19:56,935 The radar control has either been wiped or is not detailed enough. 316 00:19:57,296 --> 00:19:58,560 Any help from Malmö? 317 00:19:59,076 --> 00:20:00,887 I am still waiting for them to come back. 318 00:20:03,981 --> 00:20:04,928 What about you? 319 00:20:05,073 --> 00:20:06,411 - Anything new? - Yes. 320 00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:09,840 So far no luck in finding the small boat, but we have 321 00:20:09,865 --> 00:20:13,132 questioned some people and it is clear that the accused was 322 00:20:13,157 --> 00:20:16,365 fascinated by the thought of committing the perfect crime 323 00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:19,761 and that he had a sex life pushing all normal boundaries. 324 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:23,426 And then there are the rumours that they knew each other beforehand. 325 00:20:23,798 --> 00:20:25,187 And what do these rumours say? 326 00:20:25,443 --> 00:20:29,723 Many that say they know someone who has seen them kissing at a bar in Christianshavn. 327 00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:31,606 Or that they have been together to sex parties. 328 00:20:31,623 --> 00:20:33,928 However, nothing that has been confirmed first hand. 329 00:20:35,209 --> 00:20:38,824 But we've had a tip from a woman, that heard that a doctor 330 00:20:38,849 --> 00:20:42,528 from Ryde hospital had seen them kissing in Christianshavn. 331 00:20:42,744 --> 00:20:43,418 A doctor? 332 00:20:43,418 --> 00:20:46,073 Yes, a Lennart Stauner. 333 00:20:46,782 --> 00:20:48,040 Have we spoken to him? 334 00:20:48,071 --> 00:20:50,245 No, but I have set up a meeting with him later. 335 00:20:50,621 --> 00:20:55,472 If he confirms their relationship, then we need to re-look at jealousy as a motive. 336 00:20:55,811 --> 00:20:56,533 Yeah. 337 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:00,880 Or someone is taking us for a ride. 338 00:21:01,502 --> 00:21:04,080 When was it exactly that the little boat was next to the sub? 339 00:21:04,395 --> 00:21:05,320 At 20.15. 340 00:21:07,567 --> 00:21:10,032 So, it was before she sent the text message. 341 00:21:10,768 --> 00:21:12,150 Nikolaj, let's add that to the time-line. 342 00:21:12,154 --> 00:21:13,024 Yes, sure. 343 00:21:17,716 --> 00:21:18,567 This is Jens. 344 00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:22,053 And where did you hear that? 345 00:21:22,417 --> 00:21:23,852 What was the name? Lennart.. 346 00:21:23,955 --> 00:21:24,989 Lennart Stauner. 347 00:21:26,496 --> 00:21:28,239 Are you planning to put that out? 348 00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:31,308 No, we definitely have no comment to that. 349 00:21:33,689 --> 00:21:34,643 What was that? 350 00:21:34,788 --> 00:21:37,880 The press has apparently also heard that they had an affair. 351 00:21:38,742 --> 00:21:41,327 One of the papers are thinking to make it a headline. 352 00:21:56,836 --> 00:21:59,126 They say it will take at least one more hour. 353 00:22:03,194 --> 00:22:05,526 Why don't you go home and start over tomorrow? 354 00:22:05,649 --> 00:22:06,707 Its getting late. 355 00:22:07,325 --> 00:22:08,720 What do I do at home? 356 00:22:09,563 --> 00:22:10,516 Sleep. 357 00:22:11,859 --> 00:22:15,273 I haven't been waiting all weekend for this and then just go home now to sleep. 358 00:22:17,281 --> 00:22:18,236 Okay. 359 00:22:27,578 --> 00:22:31,034 We have investigated various aspects of the case, but I can't go into details. 360 00:22:31,129 --> 00:22:32,987 But we are still missing the body. 361 00:22:33,399 --> 00:22:35,791 We fully assume that we are looking for a body. 362 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:38,983 And that we do primarily in the sea around Køge. 363 00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:41,825 Both on the Danish and the Swedish side. 364 00:22:53,003 --> 00:22:53,501 Nero! 365 00:22:56,548 --> 00:22:57,201 Come. 366 00:23:17,711 --> 00:23:18,551 It's Jens Møller. 367 00:23:18,662 --> 00:23:22,190 Hello, this is the News Channel, I wanted to ask if you would 368 00:23:22,215 --> 00:23:25,600 come in and talk to us about the latest in the submarine-case. 369 00:23:25,842 --> 00:23:27,098 The submarine-case? 370 00:23:27,412 --> 00:23:29,083 Is that what you call it? 371 00:23:30,588 --> 00:23:32,998 Something that the tabloids seem to have done. 372 00:23:33,857 --> 00:23:36,978 It's much too early to say anything at this point. But I do 373 00:23:37,003 --> 00:23:40,326 promise you will be the first to know when there are any news. 374 00:23:40,806 --> 00:23:41,717 Is that okay? 375 00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:43,463 Yes, I look forward to hear from you. 376 00:23:43,474 --> 00:23:44,306 Good. Thanks. 377 00:24:05,149 --> 00:24:05,774 Hi Musa. 378 00:24:05,931 --> 00:24:06,561 What's up? 379 00:24:10,285 --> 00:24:11,719 Okay. I'm on the way up. 380 00:24:16,706 --> 00:24:18,137 Panties and tights. 381 00:24:18,943 --> 00:24:19,931 Where were they? 382 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,215 In the bottom of the submarine under a drain. 383 00:24:22,238 --> 00:24:23,323 How have they ended up there? 384 00:24:23,324 --> 00:24:25,010 They think they were was placed there. 385 00:24:25,385 --> 00:24:28,168 So, they didn't wash down there when the sub was emptied? 386 00:24:29,412 --> 00:24:32,298 They don't think so, but it cannot be excluded. 387 00:24:33,757 --> 00:24:35,502 Why on earth would she put them there? 388 00:24:36,774 --> 00:24:37,711 Are they hers? 389 00:24:38,647 --> 00:24:39,517 Maybe? 390 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,521 They have been brought to forensics for DNA analysis. 391 00:24:52,646 --> 00:24:57,216 Day 5 15ᵗʰ August 2017 392 00:25:02,877 --> 00:25:03,620 Coffee? 393 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,194 Thank you. 394 00:25:07,719 --> 00:25:08,532 This is Maibritt. 395 00:25:09,236 --> 00:25:12,314 She is part of the investigation team. 396 00:25:12,564 --> 00:25:13,084 - Hello. - Hello. 397 00:25:13,670 --> 00:25:15,763 I understand there are some things you don't want us to see? 398 00:25:15,775 --> 00:25:21,204 No, nothing you can't see. But some things you can't copy. 399 00:25:22,155 --> 00:25:26,457 Our daughter is a journalist and there are many that trust in her confidentiality. 400 00:25:26,665 --> 00:25:28,891 It's really about protecting her sources. 401 00:25:30,394 --> 00:25:33,528 Yes, of course. My apologies. 402 00:25:34,446 --> 00:25:38,809 Well, Maibritt will liaise and work with you on this. 403 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,238 Shall we start? 404 00:25:42,293 --> 00:25:42,850 - Yes. - Yes. 405 00:25:44,139 --> 00:25:46,283 Everything should be here. 406 00:25:55,661 --> 00:25:58,735 All these photos are from The Marshall Islands. 407 00:25:59,247 --> 00:26:03,226 The Americans did 67 Atomic bomb tests there 408 00:26:03,251 --> 00:26:07,140 between 1946 and 1958, if I am not mistaken. 409 00:26:08,348 --> 00:26:13,538 Kim along with two colleagues went there to write series of articles about it. 410 00:26:14,548 --> 00:26:16,446 That's, where these pictures are from. 411 00:26:18,171 --> 00:26:21,004 The poor children didn't understand any of it. 412 00:26:21,389 --> 00:26:26,920 They said there were two sunrises. One in the east and one in the west. 413 00:26:27,579 --> 00:26:29,887 And then it suddenly snowed. 414 00:26:30,046 --> 00:26:33,632 They had never seen snow before. They were so 415 00:26:33,657 --> 00:26:37,186 happy that they rushed out and played in it. 416 00:26:37,703 --> 00:26:40,982 But of course it wasn't snow. 417 00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:43,604 It was radioactive ash. 418 00:26:46,091 --> 00:26:51,577 It lies in the middle of the Pacific Ocean between Hawaii and Australia. 419 00:26:51,828 --> 00:26:53,667 Right in between actually. 420 00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:56,634 It's like a ticking bomb. 421 00:26:57,059 --> 00:27:02,975 And even if the US did a big cleanup in 1978.. 422 00:27:03,355 --> 00:27:07,261 There it is. But they just removed the radioactive 423 00:27:07,286 --> 00:27:10,450 stuff and covered it in this concrete capsule. 424 00:27:11,364 --> 00:27:13,009 But the fact is 425 00:27:14,054 --> 00:27:17,639 that the plutonium has a half-life time of 24,000 years. 426 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:22,328 It is just a matter of time before the concrete shell 427 00:27:22,353 --> 00:27:25,829 breaks and all the radioactive material goes into the sea. 428 00:27:27,133 --> 00:27:31,189 Well, yes. She won numerous awards... 429 00:27:32,051 --> 00:27:34,095 for that story. 430 00:27:45,742 --> 00:27:48,495 Even though everything points to that they didn't know each other, 431 00:27:48,809 --> 00:27:50,927 I still would like to discuss something with you. 432 00:27:53,834 --> 00:27:56,348 One of the newspapers called me 433 00:27:56,812 --> 00:28:00,317 and they are considering to print a story, that 434 00:28:01,578 --> 00:28:03,674 is based purely on rumours. 435 00:28:05,038 --> 00:28:06,772 What kind of rumours? 436 00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:16,121 That Kim and the accused did indeed know each other. 437 00:28:17,209 --> 00:28:19,353 And that they were having an affair. 438 00:28:21,513 --> 00:28:24,114 I'm very sorry to have to bring this up. 439 00:28:25,953 --> 00:28:29,920 It is likely that this story will be the headlines tomorrow. 440 00:28:30,298 --> 00:28:33,778 And I wanted that you learned about it beforehand. 441 00:28:33,925 --> 00:28:35,376 Good God! 442 00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:40,339 But it isn't true. What sort of journalists are they? 443 00:29:09,895 --> 00:29:10,459 Hi. 444 00:29:30,075 --> 00:29:31,213 How's it going? 445 00:29:33,623 --> 00:29:34,335 Good. 446 00:29:47,142 --> 00:29:49,751 I've never worked a murder case, that I could 447 00:29:49,776 --> 00:29:52,053 just leave in the office when I went home. 448 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,676 - Maibritt? - Yes. 449 00:30:35,418 --> 00:30:37,268 I don't know how it is in the Police, but here 450 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:39,204 we don't have time for this kind of stuff. 451 00:30:39,315 --> 00:30:40,419 I can give you 5 minutes. 452 00:30:40,515 --> 00:30:41,120 That's fine. 453 00:30:41,325 --> 00:30:42,374 We can can go this way. 454 00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:55,646 I don’t know what you are on about. Are you sure you have the right person? 455 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:56,853 Yes, I am sure. 456 00:30:59,380 --> 00:31:02,138 Well....what is it, I am meant to have said? 457 00:31:02,547 --> 00:31:06,798 You said that you saw the two kissing at a Cafe down in Christianshavn. 458 00:31:08,547 --> 00:31:10,816 Why would I lie about it? 459 00:31:12,569 --> 00:31:14,237 To make yourself important? 460 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:17,609 If there is nothing else... 461 00:31:17,612 --> 00:31:18,712 There is. 462 00:31:23,097 --> 00:31:24,554 Pernille Rønnebæk. 463 00:31:25,816 --> 00:31:27,198 Does that name ring any bells? 464 00:31:27,534 --> 00:31:28,461 Yes. Why? 465 00:31:29,028 --> 00:31:32,399 She is the one who called us and said that you two had sat next to 466 00:31:32,423 --> 00:31:35,608 each other at a dinner and you stated that you had seen them together. 467 00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:36,915 In Christianshavn. 468 00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:45,601 If it isn't true, then I best go back to her and ask why she is lying to us. 469 00:31:49,254 --> 00:31:51,004 Yes, maybe it is true. 470 00:31:51,011 --> 00:31:51,596 Very good. 471 00:31:51,597 --> 00:31:53,174 When was it you saw them together? 472 00:32:01,523 --> 00:32:02,849 Well, I didn’t actually. 473 00:32:03,323 --> 00:32:05,501 - What do you mean? - I didn't see them together. 474 00:32:07,196 --> 00:32:08,879 So, you were lying? 475 00:32:09,713 --> 00:32:14,326 I heard it somewhere, but said it like it had been me that saw them. 476 00:32:17,139 --> 00:32:17,952 Okay! 477 00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:21,028 Who did you hear it from? 478 00:32:22,675 --> 00:32:24,260 Well, that I can't remember. 479 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,282 I don't know about you, but in the Police we don't have time for this kind of stuff. 480 00:32:39,621 --> 00:32:41,942 And I don't think the victim’s family has either? 481 00:32:53,245 --> 00:32:57,368 Day 6 16ᵗʰ August 2017 482 00:32:57,833 --> 00:32:58,355 - Hello. - Hi. 483 00:32:59,138 --> 00:33:02,272 Uhh.. I need to speak to the Head of Serious Crimes. 484 00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:09,061 I'll see if he is available. 485 00:33:30,536 --> 00:33:31,336 Here you go. 486 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,107 Sorry, we only have water. Coffee is not ready. 487 00:33:36,186 --> 00:33:36,726 Thanks. 488 00:33:37,051 --> 00:33:37,792 Uhh...Well... 489 00:33:38,116 --> 00:33:39,991 I came because I've heard that you... 490 00:33:40,569 --> 00:33:42,830 have been looking for my boat in relation to the 491 00:33:42,856 --> 00:33:44,902 Swedish journalist and the submarine and all that. 492 00:33:45,002 --> 00:33:45,795 Yes. Correct. 493 00:33:47,147 --> 00:33:49,602 I don’t know if I need to have my lawyer here. 494 00:33:50,887 --> 00:33:52,051 I don't know. 495 00:33:55,173 --> 00:33:56,728 What were you doing at the submarine? 496 00:33:56,733 --> 00:33:57,471 Nothing. 497 00:33:57,746 --> 00:33:58,534 Right. 498 00:33:58,851 --> 00:34:01,855 You just confirmed that it was your boat next to the submarine, right? 499 00:34:01,905 --> 00:34:02,405 Yes. 500 00:34:02,648 --> 00:34:03,732 It was maybe not you on it? 501 00:34:03,774 --> 00:34:04,938 Yes, it was. But... 502 00:34:06,983 --> 00:34:10,216 I was never ever up against the submarine 503 00:34:11,379 --> 00:34:12,082 uhhh.... 504 00:34:12,907 --> 00:34:15,410 We were maybe 4 or 5 metres away. 505 00:34:16,363 --> 00:34:17,715 OK, trying to find it... 506 00:34:18,959 --> 00:34:19,715 Right... 507 00:34:20,734 --> 00:34:23,696 My son was fascinated by the submarine and we took this photo. 508 00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:27,717 That was all. 509 00:34:29,982 --> 00:34:33,117 I was all up in arms when I read about it. 510 00:34:34,249 --> 00:34:38,649 Maybe that you would think I was involved. But I am not. 511 00:34:39,874 --> 00:34:42,165 So you don't know anything about the submarine and the journalist? 512 00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:44,854 No. Only what has been written.. 513 00:34:45,895 --> 00:34:46,793 Well... 514 00:34:48,088 --> 00:34:51,392 We spoke to them for no more than couple of minutes. 515 00:34:52,416 --> 00:34:53,646 And that was that. 516 00:35:02,192 --> 00:35:03,252 Yes. Okay. 517 00:35:06,488 --> 00:35:09,683 Many thanks for coming in to see us. 518 00:35:10,949 --> 00:35:12,310 So we could clarify this. 519 00:35:12,533 --> 00:35:13,521 I'll see you out. 520 00:35:14,852 --> 00:35:16,392 - I can go? - Yes, sure. 521 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,135 We'll just pop in to IT, so they can get a copy of the photo. 522 00:35:19,235 --> 00:35:20,740 Yes, no problem. 523 00:36:42,885 --> 00:36:48,823 Hi, you have called Cecilie. I can't take your call, so please leave a message. Bye. 524 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:16,702 So, you are here? 525 00:37:17,991 --> 00:37:18,750 Yes. 526 00:37:22,442 --> 00:37:23,402 How is it going? 527 00:37:25,858 --> 00:37:27,069 Are you making progress? 528 00:37:29,002 --> 00:37:30,740 Yes... or... 529 00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,273 Everytime we think we have found something it turns out to be nothing. 530 00:37:41,547 --> 00:37:42,732 How about you? 531 00:37:42,948 --> 00:37:43,682 Me? 532 00:37:44,501 --> 00:37:45,474 I'm fine. 533 00:37:51,546 --> 00:37:53,262 Did you speak to Cecilie? 534 00:38:00,249 --> 00:38:01,837 What if she is angry at me? 535 00:38:03,856 --> 00:38:04,779 She is. 536 00:38:05,985 --> 00:38:08,520 She tells you that she is pregnant and you just left. 537 00:38:28,695 --> 00:38:32,712 Day 11 21ˢᵗ August 2017 538 00:38:48,934 --> 00:38:51,701 We need to become more targeted in our search. 539 00:38:53,219 --> 00:38:56,670 Who can say for sure that the body hasn't washed all the way to Poland? 540 00:38:58,251 --> 00:38:59,887 No, one can say for sure. 541 00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:02,853 Put a hand over one eye... 542 00:39:04,384 --> 00:39:07,226 and imagine looking through a paper roll with the other 543 00:39:07,257 --> 00:39:10,415 and then look for a needle on a football pitch. 544 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,094 That is what I am asking of my people. 545 00:39:15,084 --> 00:39:16,279 Everyday, Jens. 546 00:39:17,598 --> 00:39:19,535 From sunrise to sunset. 547 00:39:20,058 --> 00:39:21,767 Down to 12 metres depth. 548 00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:43,371 I've just heard from forensics. 549 00:39:43,374 --> 00:39:47,347 Unfortunately they have not found any DNA traces on the panties or tights. 550 00:39:47,976 --> 00:39:51,116 And what about the divers or the helicopters? Nothing from them? 551 00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:53,164 Nope. 552 00:39:55,179 --> 00:39:57,745 Some Swedes believe they may have found some of 553 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,229 her clothes. But it really could be anyone’s. 554 00:40:14,019 --> 00:40:14,848 It's Jens. 555 00:40:19,252 --> 00:40:21,319 No, I have no comment to that. 556 00:40:22,394 --> 00:40:25,931 But I promise, you will be the first one to know. Okay? 557 00:40:27,113 --> 00:40:27,897 Thanks. 558 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,162 We basically have nothing. 559 00:41:04,919 --> 00:41:06,216 - Also there. - Hmmm 560 00:41:07,155 --> 00:41:08,426 And there or what? 561 00:41:09,696 --> 00:41:12,925 - Not the same. - No, no. I would agree. 562 00:41:17,884 --> 00:41:19,041 It's Nikolaj Storm. 563 00:41:21,689 --> 00:41:22,955 Look at that again. 564 00:41:23,097 --> 00:41:24,197 When? 565 00:41:27,044 --> 00:41:27,701 Yes. 566 00:41:29,638 --> 00:41:30,211 Sure. 567 00:41:31,466 --> 00:41:33,381 We're on our way. 568 00:41:44,137 --> 00:41:44,848 It's Jens. 569 00:41:45,769 --> 00:41:47,603 Jens, it's Nikolaj. 570 00:41:47,988 --> 00:41:49,318 Are you on the way home? 571 00:41:49,335 --> 00:41:50,208 Yes. 572 00:41:51,172 --> 00:41:52,509 You best turn around. 573 00:41:52,785 --> 00:41:53,748 Why is that? 574 00:41:55,212 --> 00:41:59,009 Because the torso of a dead woman has just washed on shore in Amager. 44699

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