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I'd never been to Chatham
before I was posted there.
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Chatham, at the time, was very quiet.
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Everybody knew everybody.
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You never had to lock your doors.
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But as things progressed
through the years,
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it became known as the place for drugs.
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That evening, Constable Mark Gransden
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from the OPP had just pulled off
the road to do some notes up.
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It was just a matter of coincidence
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that he was there at
that particular time.
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Ma'am!
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- Help me, please! Help me!
- Are you OK?
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- Help me, I need help!
- Are you injured?
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- No. Help me!
- OK, tell me what happened.
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They're dead. I think they're dead.
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- Where?
- Oh, my son. My son, Jasen.
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- Where's Jasen?
- Tell me where they are.
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Come. This way.
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Even though
I've been to other homicides,
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personally I've never seen
such a vicious attack.
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I just couldn't completely understand
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who would do this to gentle old people.
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I need something to stop the bleeding.
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It was just... horrible.
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- Who did this to you?
- Two boys...
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It's a sick feeling.
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I will never, ever be the same.
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I remember the date very,
very well because
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it was my son's birthday.
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October 18th, 1991.
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My son was actually playing hockey
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and I was hoping I'd catch
a few minutes of the game.
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But it didn't work out that way.
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I arrived at the scene.
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The ambulance was just down the road.
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I knew this was going to be
something that was very difficult.
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I'm walking up the stairs, I'm
just sort of reminding myself
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to stay calm, stay focussed,
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keep your eyes open.
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You've got a job to do.
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- Did you clear the house?
- No. No time.
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Is there anyone else in the house?
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My son's supposed to be home.
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OK, I need you to wait right here.
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We don't know who's up there.
If your son's here,
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I'll find him.
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I needed to secure this house
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before we go too much further.
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I was concerned that the people
that did this are still around.
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You get tense. You're tight.
You know you should relax
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so you can stay focused.
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You feel the hair on the back
of your neck curl...
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because you don't know if
somebody's there waiting for you.
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Jasen Pangburn's bedroom was upstairs.
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Jasen should have been in the house;
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he should have been home from school.
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But Jasen Pangburn
was not in his bedroom.
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He had guns that he kept up
there. The guns were gone.
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And so was Jasen.
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Could he possibly be
the one that did it?
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She was awake when I got here,
you know. She looked so scared.
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Yeah. Is this her house?
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Connie Pangburn. It's her place.
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She lives here with her husband,
Richard, and her son, Jasen.
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Virginia's Richard's mom.
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Alfred's his step dad.
EMTs found a pulse on him, too.
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OK, OK. They're in good hands.
Virginia say anything?
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She said "two boys" did this to her.
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- Anything else?
- No names.
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In the bathroom where Alfred Critchley
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had fallen backwards,
he knocked the plug out
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of the clock on the wall.
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And to me, that gave us the time
of when he was attacked,
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five-twelve p.m.
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You didn't find him in there, did you?
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He's not inside the house.
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Do you have any idea somewhere
else where he could be?
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No. He was supposed to be in the
house packing for the Reserves.
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- The Reserves?
- They were going on
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a training trip this week.
Maybe he left early?
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All right. Well, let's check that out.
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I noticed a gun rack in Jasen's bedroom.
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Yeah, those are his rifles.
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He uses it for hunting
and for the Reserves.
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The guns were missing.
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What?
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Well, maybe he brought
them to the Regiment?
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Connie, do you have any idea
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who Virginia meant
when she said "two boys"?
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OK. Uh, Connie, is your husband around?
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He's outside of town. I just called him.
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I'm gonna need you to go
down to the station.
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I'm going to send an officer
to ride with you.
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No! I need to say here and find my son!
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Connie, the best way
that you can help is to go
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to the station, tell us everything
you know, anything that can help.
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We have a full team here
looking for him.
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We'll find him.
We won't leave until we do.
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Connie was an amazing lady for
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what she went through, and you could see
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that she wanted to help.
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She told me that Jasen may be
down across the road
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back in the bush where he usually
goes to test fire his guns.
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I explained to the dog-handler
that the first sweep should be
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around the house, then the back field,
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then go across the road
and check the bush down there.
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In the meantime,
we'd interviewed the neighbors
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to see if they'd seen anything.
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Any little tidbit of
information that would help.
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This guy says he saw something.
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What'd you see?
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I've seen a grey-blue
pickup truck parked outside
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a couple of hours ago.
But it's gone now.
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Do you know the people who live here?
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No. I'm just staying
at the motel next door.
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I came over to see what all
the commotion is about.
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We're looking for this guy.
Have you seen him?
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Detective! The dog
handler, he saw something.
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- Where?
- Across the street.
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OK. This officer will take
your statement. Thank you.
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It was about an hour and a half later
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that the dog-handler located
Jasen Pangburn's remains
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covered up in the bush.
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Somebody had dropped a rock on his head.
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And all you could see was
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the side of his face,
Jasen Pangburn's face.
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Copy that.
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The Critchleys,
Alfred died in the surgery.
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Virginia never made it to the hospital.
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It's a worst-case scenario.
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Now you know you've got
three family members
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that have been murdered.
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It was upsetting.
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The fact that somebody's
been killed is always
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a difficult notification.
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To have them all from the same family,
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one a son, one a mother and father.
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As a parent myself,
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um, it made it even more difficult.
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Have you found Jasen?
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I'm afraid we have.
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I'm very sorry.
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No. No.
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We found a body
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near the house.
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It matches his description.
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That was a long day.
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A very long day.
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That one I will never, ever forget.
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Who did this?
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We found Jasen
Pangburn's remains covered up
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in the bush. The scene was so horrific,
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but one of the things
that amazed me about both
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Richard and Connie was
that there was no anger.
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There was no anger.
All they wanted to know,
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"Will you catch these people
that did it?"
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They just wanted them caught,
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because they wanted to find out why.
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Reporters are asking
if it's a murder-suicide.
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Troubled teen, kills his
grandparents then kills himself.
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Lots of speculation.
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We don't know what happened or
how Jasen died, but when we do,
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we're not going to tell
the press anything.
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Don't give them any more gossip.
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Got it.
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Seventy-five-year-old Alfred Critchley
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and his seventy-three-year-old
wife, Virginia
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were found stabbed in their son's
home on the outskirts of Chatham.
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The body of their
nineteen-year-old grandson
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was later discovered in a neary
ravine by a police tracking do.
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Police are not saying
what kind of weapon was used
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in the slayings, but
post-mortems are being conductd
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and the results are expected
to be released tomorrow.
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I attended all
post-mortems that were done
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on Virginia, Alfred Critchley,
as well as on Jasen Pangburn.
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The attack on Alfred
was fairly straightforward.
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Alfred was stabbed three times.
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Virginia, on the other hand,
twenty-three stab wounds.
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Jugular was severed;
she died of blood loss.
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She must have fought hard.
Lot of defensive wounds.
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Yeah, three shallow stab wounds.
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Barely punctured the skin.
The rest of them were deep.
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With Virginia's post-mortem,
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the, uh...
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horrific attack that was put
on this elderly lady
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was something that was very difficult.
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The coroner counted twenty-three
or twenty-four stab wounds
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in Virginia's body.
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It was a completely vicious
attack on that poor lady.
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There's more.
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We pulled that twenty-two-calibre bullet
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from Jasen's heart.
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Jasen was shot?
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Why stab the grandparents?
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Maybe it was personal.
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It was definitely a surprise
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that Jasen was shot.
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The viciousness on the adults was
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completely different from the
quick kill of Jasen Pangburn.
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So if they had a gun and
they shot Jasen Pangburn,
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why did they kill the
grandparents with knives?
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That part just didn't make sense.
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Pangburn wasn't stabbed; he was shot.
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Why shoot Pangburn and
stab the grandparents?
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Well, maybe they used
the guns from his locker.
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Defender shotgun, AK, Lee-Enfield rifle.
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All legally acquired.
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None of these guns fired
the bullet we pulled
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out of Jasen's body.
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The killers must have
brought their own weapon.
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So, let me get this straight:
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the two boys rob the house,
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stab the grandparents,
even though they had a gun,
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stole Pangburn's weapons, and then
took him out to the woods to kill him?
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Why do it that way?
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Well, maybe it was the other way around.
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Maybe they shot Pangburn,
stabbed the grandparents,
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then stole the gun.
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That still doesn't explain why
they stabbed the grandparents
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when they had a gun.
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OK. Let's focus on what we do know.
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Now, the Critchleys were
stabbed at five-twelve p.m.
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Now, a witness saw a blue-grey
truck parked out front.
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Now, Virginia said two boys did it.
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Did anyone else see two boys?
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A neighbour down the street
saw three boys hanging out
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by the area where the body was found.
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Jasen and the two killers. Did
the neighbour see anything else,
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notice what time it was?
Was Jasen stressed?
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Was he being coerced?
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No, just kids hanging out.
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I want to speak to that neighbour.
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That neighbor saw these
three boys crossing the road
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and then going across into the field.
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Did you notice anything
suspicious about them?
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No, they looked like friends.
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Was Jasen Pangburn with them?
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All I noticed was one of them
was wearing a Penguins sweater.
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Mostly Wings and Leafs fans around here.
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And what time was this
when you saw them?
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I'd say late afternoon, around
four-fifteen, maybe four-twenty.
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At four-twenty, three
young men went across the road.
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One of them was wearing a
Pittsburgh Penguin hockey sweater.
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That indicated to us that
Jasen Pangburn was killed first
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out in the bush. Then they came back
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and the clock is knocked off
of the bathroom at five-twelve.
248
00:14:38,046 --> 00:14:41,515
The key thing, breaking
the investigation wide open,
249
00:14:41,549 --> 00:14:44,318
was locating that Pittsburgh
Penguin hockey sweater.
250
00:14:53,151 --> 00:14:54,618
You have two crime scenes.
251
00:14:54,652 --> 00:14:57,154
You've got one at the house
252
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and you've got one down in the bush.
253
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In the house, they're stabbed.
Jasen Pangburn was shot.
254
00:15:04,762 --> 00:15:08,131
Jasen was probably killed first
and then they came back
255
00:15:08,166 --> 00:15:10,734
and killed the grandparents.
256
00:15:10,768 --> 00:15:15,806
The people in Chatham were
very unnerved by what happened.
257
00:15:16,975 --> 00:15:18,742
The tragedy that's unfolding
258
00:15:18,776 --> 00:15:21,311
in this east-side Chatham home
spans three generations.
259
00:15:21,346 --> 00:15:23,647
The house is just on
the outskirts of Chatham,
260
00:15:23,681 --> 00:15:26,116
so the Ontario Provincial Polie
are handling the investigation.
261
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:28,552
It's especially upsetting
to neighbors because
262
00:15:28,586 --> 00:15:31,154
there's never been a triple
homicide in this area
263
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:32,756
in anyone's recent memory.
264
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:35,292
It scares the hell out of me, you know,
265
00:15:35,326 --> 00:15:37,661
for my mom and dad's safety and for
all the rest of the neighbors.
266
00:15:37,695 --> 00:15:39,763
We'll keep our doors
locked all the time now
267
00:15:39,797 --> 00:15:41,765
and we'll look around for
any strangers walking around
268
00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:43,133
or anything, so...
269
00:15:43,167 --> 00:15:45,802
There's a lot of media coverage.
270
00:15:45,837 --> 00:15:47,471
There's a lot of talk about this.
271
00:15:47,505 --> 00:15:50,774
There's concern that the police
haven't solved this yet.
272
00:15:50,808 --> 00:15:54,344
There's stories in the newspaper
about keeping your doors locked
273
00:15:54,379 --> 00:15:56,346
and don't let your children outside.
274
00:15:56,381 --> 00:16:00,550
We tried to assure citizens of Chatham
275
00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:03,854
that this matter's gonna be solved.
276
00:16:03,888 --> 00:16:07,024
We think what happened in
Chatham was an isolated incident.
277
00:16:07,058 --> 00:16:08,825
We don't believe it's
a public safety issue.
278
00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:11,328
People are saying that
it was a cult murder
279
00:16:11,362 --> 00:16:12,929
like the Manson family.
280
00:16:12,964 --> 00:16:16,566
There is no evidence to
support cult involvement
281
00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:19,469
and we don't think there's an
active serial killer in the area.
282
00:16:19,504 --> 00:16:23,340
And I'd advise anyone
spreading rumours to stop.
283
00:16:23,374 --> 00:16:27,511
It creates fear and it hurts
the victim's families.
284
00:16:27,545 --> 00:16:30,247
Do you have any idea who did this?
285
00:16:30,281 --> 00:16:32,883
We have a few leads that
we're looking into.
286
00:16:32,917 --> 00:16:35,719
But we need your help.
287
00:16:35,753 --> 00:16:37,921
We're looking for a young man
288
00:16:37,955 --> 00:16:41,024
who was wearing a Pittsburgh
Penguins jersey that night.
289
00:16:41,059 --> 00:16:43,627
If you have any information,
any information at all,
290
00:16:43,661 --> 00:16:48,098
please contact the police
station or Crime Stoppers.
291
00:16:48,132 --> 00:16:51,368
They seemed quite relieved that
292
00:16:51,402 --> 00:16:53,904
they got that information
because it was something
293
00:16:53,938 --> 00:16:56,873
they could say, "OK, yes,
they're looking for something.
294
00:16:56,908 --> 00:16:58,775
They're looking for the Pittsburgh
Penguins hockey sweater."
295
00:17:04,248 --> 00:17:07,584
The big thing for us was
understanding why it happened.
296
00:17:07,618 --> 00:17:11,988
People don't just kill for no reason.
297
00:17:14,692 --> 00:17:18,428
Do you have any idea who
might have wanted to harm them?
298
00:17:18,463 --> 00:17:20,764
God, no.
299
00:17:20,798 --> 00:17:22,566
Alfred was a good man, a veteran.
300
00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,301
He was wonderful to my mother.
301
00:17:24,335 --> 00:17:26,536
And what about Jasen?
302
00:17:26,571 --> 00:17:29,539
Jasen was a great kid.
303
00:17:29,574 --> 00:17:31,875
He didn't get into trouble.
He wasn't into drugs
304
00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:33,310
or hanging with the wrong crowd.
305
00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:35,746
Would you know if he was?
306
00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:37,080
He would tell us, Detective.
307
00:17:37,115 --> 00:17:39,783
Of course.
308
00:17:41,953 --> 00:17:44,421
Virginia mentioned two boys.
309
00:17:44,455 --> 00:17:47,124
Do you have any idea who they might be?
310
00:17:50,128 --> 00:17:53,530
Any of Jasen's friends
Pittsburgh Penguins fans?
311
00:17:55,199 --> 00:17:57,000
One last thing. Does a blue-grey
312
00:17:57,034 --> 00:17:59,603
pickup truck mean anything to you?
313
00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:04,474
A few weeks ago, there was
a young man who came by
314
00:18:04,509 --> 00:18:07,711
in a blue-grey pickup truck.
He came for Jasen.
315
00:18:07,745 --> 00:18:10,113
Do you remember his name?
316
00:18:10,148 --> 00:18:14,351
I don't remember. He told me,
but I, I can't remember.
317
00:18:14,385 --> 00:18:16,853
Do you remember anything else about him?
318
00:18:16,888 --> 00:18:19,723
Just that he spoke like a soldier.
319
00:18:19,757 --> 00:18:23,160
He asked for Private Pangburn.
320
00:18:26,364 --> 00:18:30,734
The guy that came
was wearing military-type clothing.
321
00:18:30,768 --> 00:18:33,036
She didn't know who the guy
was but Jasen told
322
00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:38,175
his mother, he said, "I don't
like that guy. He scares me."
323
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,819
Excuse me. I need to speak
with your commanding officer.
324
00:18:48,853 --> 00:18:50,454
All right.
325
00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:54,658
Never been a member of the reserves,
326
00:18:54,692 --> 00:18:57,060
but I knew the layout of the armories.
327
00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:00,230
They stress discipline and
respect in their training.
328
00:19:00,264 --> 00:19:03,900
Seems like a great group here.
You all get along?
329
00:19:03,935 --> 00:19:06,636
Being part of the regiment
means learning to get along.
330
00:19:06,671 --> 00:19:12,175
Ah, it's good. You knew uh,
Jason Pangburn, right?
331
00:19:12,210 --> 00:19:14,377
Everyone knew Private Pangburn.
332
00:19:14,412 --> 00:19:16,379
We're planning a wake in his honour.
333
00:19:16,414 --> 00:19:18,582
Oh, that must have been quite a shock.
334
00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:21,418
Sorry, son. A wake's a good idea.
335
00:19:21,452 --> 00:19:23,687
When members of the armories found out
336
00:19:23,721 --> 00:19:25,755
what we were looking into,
337
00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:28,225
they were more than cooperative
because they had just lost
338
00:19:28,259 --> 00:19:30,927
a member. A member was
just brutally murdered.
339
00:19:30,962 --> 00:19:34,998
Anyone here drive a
grey-blue pickup truck?
340
00:19:35,032 --> 00:19:37,868
I'm sorry, I'm not sure.
341
00:19:37,902 --> 00:19:42,405
We have some one hundred and
eighty young reservists enlisted.
342
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,541
I wish they were all
like Private Pangburn.
343
00:19:44,575 --> 00:19:45,942
How do you mean?
344
00:19:45,977 --> 00:19:47,444
He was a natural for the military life,
345
00:19:47,478 --> 00:19:49,713
the drills, the basic training.
346
00:19:49,747 --> 00:19:52,015
Never had to tell him anything twice.
347
00:19:52,049 --> 00:19:54,751
Anyone here not like Pangburn?
348
00:19:54,785 --> 00:19:56,553
Not that I heard of.
349
00:19:56,587 --> 00:20:00,123
How about brushes with the
law? Problems with discipline?
350
00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:03,426
Some cadets come to us for a fresh start
351
00:20:03,461 --> 00:20:06,029
after problems at school
352
00:20:06,063 --> 00:20:08,732
or at home, perhaps with the police.
353
00:20:08,766 --> 00:20:11,701
Never anything to do
with Private Pangburn.
354
00:20:11,736 --> 00:20:14,704
He was a popular kid, a good soldier,
355
00:20:14,739 --> 00:20:17,474
an excellent marksman.
356
00:20:17,508 --> 00:20:20,944
Marksman. Hear he had
quite the gun collection.
357
00:20:20,978 --> 00:20:25,849
Yes. He'd bring his guns
in every now and then.
358
00:20:25,883 --> 00:20:27,717
You think some of the boys
might have helped themselves
359
00:20:27,752 --> 00:20:28,752
to those guns?
360
00:20:28,786 --> 00:20:30,120
I can't see it.
361
00:20:32,156 --> 00:20:35,792
Besides, these are good kids.
362
00:20:38,896 --> 00:20:42,265
The next morning,
we got a tip that a reservist
363
00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:44,968
in the armories,
Stephen Hill, was wearing
364
00:20:45,002 --> 00:20:48,672
a Pittsburgh Penguin hockey
sweater the day of the murder.
365
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,975
Private Hill?
366
00:20:52,009 --> 00:20:54,611
I'm Detective Peter Baker of
the Ontario Provincial Police.
367
00:20:54,645 --> 00:20:56,346
I have a few questions for you.
368
00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:58,682
Am I in trouble, sir?
369
00:20:58,716 --> 00:21:00,951
You knew Jasen Pangburn, right?
370
00:21:00,985 --> 00:21:04,087
Kind of. A fellow Reservist.
371
00:21:04,121 --> 00:21:05,655
But you went to high school with him?
372
00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:09,893
He was a senior. I'm still in grade ten.
373
00:21:09,927 --> 00:21:12,529
It's not like we were
best friends or anything.
374
00:21:12,563 --> 00:21:14,431
You heard what happened to him?
375
00:21:14,465 --> 00:21:18,902
Of course. It's terrible.
376
00:21:18,936 --> 00:21:22,706
You wear a Penguins jersey,
don't you, son?
377
00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:26,476
I used to, but then I lost it.
378
00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:28,211
Really? When?
379
00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:30,113
A couple of weeks ago.
380
00:21:30,147 --> 00:21:33,249
Someone saw you wearing it on Friday.
381
00:21:33,284 --> 00:21:35,385
Who said that?
382
00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:37,354
Is it true?
383
00:21:37,388 --> 00:21:40,056
No. Um, I don't know who told you that,
384
00:21:40,091 --> 00:21:42,392
but they're wrong.
385
00:21:42,426 --> 00:21:44,661
He was definitely
holding something back.
386
00:21:44,695 --> 00:21:46,930
When you talk to him and
you say, "Well, you know,
387
00:21:46,964 --> 00:21:49,065
do you know somebody has
a Penguins Sweater,"
388
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:52,002
uh, he'd look off to the side and say,
389
00:21:52,036 --> 00:21:55,372
"No." "Did you give
your sweater to somebody?"
390
00:21:55,406 --> 00:21:59,175
"Uh, no." So he was very, uh, evasive.
391
00:21:59,210 --> 00:22:01,945
Can I go now? Sorry,
392
00:22:01,979 --> 00:22:03,480
- I have an appointment.
- Sure.
393
00:22:03,514 --> 00:22:06,383
- Don't want to be late.
- Yeah.
394
00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:11,921
It was while I was getting ready to go
395
00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:15,358
that I got a call on my radio.
396
00:22:15,393 --> 00:22:17,494
This is Baker.
397
00:22:17,528 --> 00:22:19,863
We just got a call
for another gun robbery.
398
00:22:19,897 --> 00:22:21,197
Where?
399
00:22:21,232 --> 00:22:22,832
Cofell Farm out in Dover Township.
400
00:22:22,867 --> 00:22:26,236
It's another Reservist.
401
00:22:26,937 --> 00:22:28,538
I don't know if I was surprised.
402
00:22:28,572 --> 00:22:32,776
It just seemed kind of strange
that within several days
403
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:36,413
we have two thefts of
a large quantity of guns.
404
00:22:36,447 --> 00:22:39,315
I was definitely scared.
405
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:41,818
That's a whole lot of people
stealing guns.
406
00:22:49,199 --> 00:22:50,933
I received a report from
407
00:22:50,967 --> 00:22:54,036
our uniform officers who had
investigated the break-in
408
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:56,905
at the Cofell Farm.
409
00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:00,576
Jason Cofell had reported
that somebody had broken
410
00:23:00,610 --> 00:23:02,378
into their house and stole all his guns.
411
00:23:02,412 --> 00:23:05,814
I thought to myself
412
00:23:05,849 --> 00:23:08,183
"Another break and
enter with guns stolen
413
00:23:08,218 --> 00:23:10,619
from a member of the armories."
414
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:13,617
It was too close to be a coincidence.
415
00:23:18,723 --> 00:23:21,792
I had met Doug and Catherine Cofell
416
00:23:21,826 --> 00:23:25,562
quite a few years before this happened.
417
00:23:25,597 --> 00:23:27,364
They were caring people
418
00:23:27,398 --> 00:23:30,634
and I knew that Jason Cofell
was their oldest son.
419
00:23:34,572 --> 00:23:38,675
So, other than the guns,
420
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:41,612
did you notice anything else missing?
421
00:23:41,646 --> 00:23:46,416
Just the weapons, um,
a shotgun, a rifle,
422
00:23:46,451 --> 00:23:48,919
two Glock handguns,
and a twenty-two pistol.
423
00:23:48,953 --> 00:23:50,621
And where do you keep the guns?
424
00:23:50,655 --> 00:23:52,222
Uh, here in the home.
425
00:23:52,257 --> 00:23:54,491
- Was the house locked?
- Yes.
426
00:23:54,525 --> 00:23:56,927
- You mind if I take a look?
- Yeah, sure.
427
00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:09,406
Locks look... they look good. Sturdy.
428
00:24:12,877 --> 00:24:14,745
Is that you, son?
429
00:24:14,779 --> 00:24:16,313
Yes, sir.
430
00:24:16,347 --> 00:24:20,417
Well, that suits you. Military?
431
00:24:20,451 --> 00:24:22,819
Thank you, sir. Reserves.
432
00:24:30,094 --> 00:24:32,195
He had a blue pickup truck.
433
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:36,533
Connie Pangburn mentioned
this military guy coming with
434
00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:40,971
this light blue-grey truck and
asking for Private Pangburn.
435
00:24:43,308 --> 00:24:46,543
Jason's eyes just sort of changed and
436
00:24:46,577 --> 00:24:49,680
he just just sort of glared
and they got dark.
437
00:24:49,714 --> 00:24:51,682
And right away in my mind,
438
00:24:51,716 --> 00:24:54,785
I'm thinking there's
something he's hiding.
439
00:24:56,487 --> 00:24:59,222
When did you notice the guns missing?
440
00:24:59,257 --> 00:25:01,591
When I got home from school today.
441
00:25:01,626 --> 00:25:03,794
- Did you drive to school?
- Yes, sir.
442
00:25:03,828 --> 00:25:06,797
In that blue-grey pickup
truck parked out back?
443
00:25:06,831 --> 00:25:10,033
Yeah.
444
00:25:11,336 --> 00:25:14,504
So um, your route home,
445
00:25:14,539 --> 00:25:18,141
do you, uh, drive past the marina?
446
00:25:18,176 --> 00:25:21,511
Uh, no. I take um, Main Street usually.
447
00:25:21,546 --> 00:25:24,915
Well, how about Friday? Did
you drive past the marina then?
448
00:25:24,949 --> 00:25:27,851
Um, the break-in was today, not Friday.
449
00:25:27,885 --> 00:25:29,319
Oh, I know. It's just that, uh,
450
00:25:29,354 --> 00:25:34,858
the marina's right by
Jasen Pangburn's house.
451
00:25:34,892 --> 00:25:36,126
You heard about that, right?
452
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,062
You knew him?
453
00:25:39,097 --> 00:25:41,698
A little, um, from Reserves.
454
00:25:41,733 --> 00:25:43,266
We went to different schools so...
455
00:25:43,301 --> 00:25:47,971
I was just wondering,
if you were around there,
456
00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:50,707
you might have seen something
that could help us out.
457
00:25:50,742 --> 00:25:54,378
I wasn't around there that day so...
458
00:25:54,412 --> 00:25:59,049
Someone saw a blue-grey
pickup truck around there.
459
00:26:00,885 --> 00:26:02,419
When I asked him that question,
460
00:26:02,453 --> 00:26:04,654
he looked off to the side.
461
00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:06,289
I could tell there was something,
462
00:26:06,324 --> 00:26:07,824
something bothering him.
463
00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:10,761
That's when he changed the story.
464
00:26:10,795 --> 00:26:12,863
Is that the marina on Grand Avenue East?
465
00:26:12,897 --> 00:26:14,898
That's the one.
466
00:26:14,932 --> 00:26:19,202
Yeah, um, I think I might have
actually been around there Friday.
467
00:26:19,237 --> 00:26:22,539
I stopped by a store
on my way home from school.
468
00:26:22,573 --> 00:26:25,776
Sorry. It just slipped my mind.
469
00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:28,345
His whole tone changed
470
00:26:28,379 --> 00:26:32,215
from the time he came in to the
point where we started talking
471
00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:34,885
about him going out the highway.
472
00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:38,221
And I thought "we'll follow up on this."
473
00:26:38,256 --> 00:26:41,892
But I didn't let him know
he was a suspect.
474
00:26:41,926 --> 00:26:45,429
Well, if, uh, anything comes to mind,
475
00:26:45,463 --> 00:26:48,765
uh, about the guns or
anything else, you'll, uh,
476
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,434
let me know. OK?
477
00:26:50,468 --> 00:26:54,438
Yeah. Thanks, Detective.
I appreciate it.
478
00:27:10,488 --> 00:27:12,823
That day, the
detachment where I work out of
479
00:27:12,857 --> 00:27:15,926
received a call from a
locksmith who had just been
480
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,929
to a residence in Chatham
where he had seen these boys
481
00:27:18,963 --> 00:27:20,831
with these guns.
482
00:27:20,865 --> 00:27:23,400
The murders took place
on the 18th; he was called
483
00:27:23,434 --> 00:27:27,037
at approximately 2:30, 3:00
in the morning on the 19th
484
00:27:27,071 --> 00:27:30,640
by a young man who said
his name was Mark Hooper.
485
00:27:30,675 --> 00:27:34,377
Mr. Hooper?
486
00:27:34,412 --> 00:27:37,280
I'm Detective Peter Baker of
the Ontario Provincial Police.
487
00:27:37,315 --> 00:27:40,083
I have a few questions for you.
488
00:27:40,785 --> 00:27:42,385
What happened the other night?
489
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:45,088
I just went out to get
my friends and got locked out.
490
00:27:45,123 --> 00:27:46,456
Your friends?
491
00:27:46,491 --> 00:27:51,328
Stephen Hill and Jason Cofell.
492
00:27:51,362 --> 00:27:53,263
Do you know them from school?
493
00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:57,134
No, just the Regiment.
We're all in it together.
494
00:27:57,168 --> 00:27:59,603
The locksmith
unlocked the door for them.
495
00:27:59,637 --> 00:28:02,806
And he saw Hooper and another guy
496
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,809
and this Pittsburgh Penguins hockey guy,
497
00:28:05,843 --> 00:28:09,779
and they were carrying something
wrapped in a heavy blanket.
498
00:28:09,814 --> 00:28:13,150
What were they bringing
inside the house?
499
00:28:15,386 --> 00:28:16,753
Guns.
500
00:28:16,787 --> 00:28:19,189
Do you know where they got the guns?
501
00:28:20,191 --> 00:28:21,525
Are the guns still inside the house?
502
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,326
No. Cofell took them back.
503
00:28:23,361 --> 00:28:24,861
I don't know what happened after that.
504
00:28:24,896 --> 00:28:27,330
But you knew Jasen Pangburn, right?
505
00:28:31,135 --> 00:28:34,471
I had nothing to do with that.
506
00:28:36,474 --> 00:28:38,175
I thought he was just messing around!
507
00:28:38,209 --> 00:28:41,244
Mr. Hooper, you're gonna
need to tell me what happened.
508
00:28:44,582 --> 00:28:47,184
Cofell hated Pangburn.
509
00:28:47,218 --> 00:28:48,652
He was always worried he'd rat him out.
510
00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:51,221
Why would he rat him out?
511
00:28:51,255 --> 00:28:53,223
Cofell had a thing with guns.
512
00:28:53,257 --> 00:28:56,693
He was collecting them. I guess some
of them might have been stolen.
513
00:29:01,165 --> 00:29:03,233
I'm gonna need you to come down
514
00:29:03,267 --> 00:29:08,371
to the station and
tell us what happened.
515
00:29:14,845 --> 00:29:16,947
With the information
we got from Mike Hooper,
516
00:29:16,981 --> 00:29:21,084
we started putting together a
case focused on Jason Cofell.
517
00:29:23,087 --> 00:29:26,423
I knew that Jason Cofell
had stolen the guns.
518
00:29:26,457 --> 00:29:28,391
We had to act quickly.
519
00:29:28,426 --> 00:29:30,927
We needed to get Jason Cofell
off the street.
520
00:29:32,863 --> 00:29:35,232
I wanted to arrest Cofell
early in the morning
521
00:29:35,266 --> 00:29:37,634
on his way to school.
522
00:29:37,668 --> 00:29:39,636
We don't know if he's got guns.
523
00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:41,204
We don't know what
he's got in the vehicle.
524
00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:44,407
We had to get him away from
525
00:29:44,442 --> 00:29:47,244
other people, in an open area
526
00:29:47,278 --> 00:29:48,945
where he couldn't affect anybody else.
527
00:29:53,584 --> 00:29:55,185
I don't think there's a more dangerous
528
00:29:55,219 --> 00:29:57,787
situation for a police officer
than a face-to-face
529
00:29:57,822 --> 00:29:59,723
with somebody pointing a gun at you.
530
00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:02,759
That wasn't going to happen.
531
00:30:05,896 --> 00:30:08,665
Jason Cofell pulled his truck
to the side of the road.
532
00:30:08,699 --> 00:30:11,468
At that point,
the other two cars came up
533
00:30:11,502 --> 00:30:13,069
so that he couldn't run;
534
00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:14,938
he couldn't go anywhere.
535
00:30:14,972 --> 00:30:16,673
It went like clockwork.
536
00:30:16,707 --> 00:30:19,209
Hands on your head!
537
00:30:19,243 --> 00:30:21,645
Get out of the car, now!
538
00:30:23,814 --> 00:30:25,515
Hands on the vehicle.
539
00:30:33,157 --> 00:30:34,958
The vital part of the arrest
540
00:30:34,992 --> 00:30:37,994
of Jason Cofell was
to get him off the street.
541
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:39,429
That was the main thing.
542
00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:42,265
The secondary was to find the guns.
543
00:30:44,702 --> 00:30:47,837
He was very quiet,
didn't say a whole lot.
544
00:30:47,872 --> 00:30:52,375
I had some doubt as to whether
he was gonna say anything.
545
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:54,444
I wasn't going to be getting
a confession,
546
00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:57,947
so we needed some concrete
evidence that would tie Cofell
547
00:30:57,982 --> 00:31:00,850
to the three murders.
548
00:31:00,885 --> 00:31:03,119
We needed the guns.
549
00:31:03,154 --> 00:31:07,691
You and Stephen Hill were seen
bringing guns into a home.
550
00:31:07,725 --> 00:31:09,859
Doesn't mean I killed him.
551
00:31:09,894 --> 00:31:11,428
But you wanted to kill him.
552
00:31:13,097 --> 00:31:15,965
Where'd you get the guns?
553
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,966
Those were my guns.
554
00:31:17,001 --> 00:31:19,302
I bought them
555
00:31:19,337 --> 00:31:20,637
from a sketchy-looking guy.
556
00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:22,706
I don't know, gang members, I think.
557
00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:24,708
So you bought stolen guns?
558
00:31:24,742 --> 00:31:26,509
How was I supposed to know
they were stolen?
559
00:31:26,544 --> 00:31:28,178
Where are the guns?
560
00:31:28,212 --> 00:31:29,746
I stashed them.
561
00:31:34,051 --> 00:31:35,452
Where?
562
00:31:39,890 --> 00:31:42,559
Cofell said the guns were in a ditch
563
00:31:42,593 --> 00:31:45,895
in Dover Township.
We went out to that ditch
564
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:49,032
and there were no guns.
565
00:31:49,066 --> 00:31:51,234
There was no indication anything
had been in that ditch other
566
00:31:51,268 --> 00:31:52,769
than weeds.
567
00:31:58,938 --> 00:32:01,039
We needed some concrete evidence.
568
00:32:01,073 --> 00:32:04,709
The vital part was to find
Jasen Pangburn's guns.
569
00:32:04,744 --> 00:32:08,813
They would tie Cofell
to the three murders.
570
00:32:08,848 --> 00:32:11,916
I had talked to Doug and Cathy.
571
00:32:11,951 --> 00:32:14,819
Neither wanted to believe that their
son would do something like that.
572
00:32:14,854 --> 00:32:16,054
I don't understand.
573
00:32:16,088 --> 00:32:18,623
This says murder... three murders.
574
00:32:18,657 --> 00:32:20,492
My son didn't do this.
575
00:32:20,526 --> 00:32:24,095
We're just going to need to
take a look around. That's all.
576
00:32:25,831 --> 00:32:29,134
We searched the back area first.
577
00:32:29,168 --> 00:32:34,072
Hiding things on farmland,
very difficult to find.
578
00:32:34,106 --> 00:32:35,740
If they're hidden properly.
579
00:32:38,744 --> 00:32:41,579
When we were conducting
the search of the barn,
580
00:32:41,614 --> 00:32:44,783
initially I wasn't sure
we'd find any guns there.
581
00:32:44,817 --> 00:32:50,155
You're going in, even with
two officers, you're tense,
582
00:32:50,189 --> 00:32:54,893
but that keeps you focused.
583
00:33:10,242 --> 00:33:12,610
We found all of the guns,
584
00:33:12,645 --> 00:33:15,313
the guns he reported stolen,
585
00:33:15,347 --> 00:33:21,386
the guns stolen from the
Pangburn residence, some AK-47s.
586
00:33:24,924 --> 00:33:27,325
Jackpot!
587
00:33:29,829 --> 00:33:32,664
We found the
wallet and the personal papers
588
00:33:32,698 --> 00:33:33,698
of Alfred Critchley...
589
00:33:33,732 --> 00:33:35,467
Here's his wallet.
590
00:33:35,501 --> 00:33:37,535
And a twenty-two-caliber handgun.
591
00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:41,105
The twenty-two-calibre was
the murder weapon
592
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:44,476
that was used to kill Jasen Pangburn.
593
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:46,511
We found a book.
594
00:33:46,545 --> 00:33:49,247
What the hell is the Orion Foundation?
595
00:33:49,281 --> 00:33:50,348
No idea.
596
00:33:51,550 --> 00:33:54,152
"The Orion Foundation".
597
00:33:54,186 --> 00:33:57,555
Their objective was to try and
clean up the streets in Chatham,
598
00:33:57,590 --> 00:34:00,892
get rid of the drug dealers,
and kill them.
599
00:34:00,926 --> 00:34:04,662
In this book, there was a list of people
600
00:34:04,697 --> 00:34:06,664
and they were all assigned a rank.
601
00:34:06,699 --> 00:34:10,535
Jason Cofell was their leader.
602
00:34:10,569 --> 00:34:15,173
Stephen Hill was a follower.
603
00:34:15,207 --> 00:34:18,676
I was pretty sure we'd get
a confession from him.
604
00:34:18,711 --> 00:34:23,715
How long were you in
The Orion Foundation?
605
00:34:23,749 --> 00:34:25,917
About a year, I guess.
606
00:34:25,951 --> 00:34:29,354
How did it all start?
607
00:34:29,388 --> 00:34:33,491
Cofell asked if I wanted
to go up to his farm
608
00:34:33,526 --> 00:34:36,160
and shoot off a couple of rounds.
609
00:34:36,195 --> 00:34:39,831
I said sure. I got up there;
610
00:34:39,865 --> 00:34:44,569
there were a few other guys
from school, the Reserves.
611
00:34:44,603 --> 00:34:48,106
He got talking about Chatham,
612
00:34:48,140 --> 00:34:49,707
about all the drug dealers,
613
00:34:49,742 --> 00:34:52,610
about all the violence,
614
00:34:52,645 --> 00:34:55,246
about how maybe we could do better
615
00:34:55,281 --> 00:34:58,883
than the cops at cleaning it up.
616
00:34:58,918 --> 00:35:03,221
And did you ever get around
to doing any of that,
617
00:35:03,255 --> 00:35:07,659
uh, sticking up drug dealers?
618
00:35:07,693 --> 00:35:08,893
No.
619
00:35:14,033 --> 00:35:16,134
Was Jasen Pangburn even involved
620
00:35:16,168 --> 00:35:18,870
- in The Orion Foundation?
- No.
621
00:35:18,904 --> 00:35:20,104
Then why kill him?
622
00:35:20,139 --> 00:35:23,741
I didn't know that was going to happen.
623
00:35:23,776 --> 00:35:26,911
I swear!
624
00:35:26,946 --> 00:35:31,215
Cofell just asked me if
I wanted to go on a mission.
625
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:32,884
What kind of mission?
626
00:35:32,918 --> 00:35:37,455
We drove over to Pangburn's place.
627
00:35:37,489 --> 00:35:41,826
Cofell took out a gun,
a nine-shot twenty-two.
628
00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:44,629
He knocked on the door and, uh,
629
00:35:44,663 --> 00:35:46,364
the old man answered.
630
00:35:46,398 --> 00:35:50,401
And that was it, he just
came out, no questions asked?
631
00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:53,438
No. He wanted us to leave.
632
00:35:53,472 --> 00:35:58,309
But then Cofell showed him the gun.
633
00:35:58,344 --> 00:36:02,280
A nine-shot revolver. Pretty rare.
634
00:36:04,316 --> 00:36:06,718
He offered to sell it.
635
00:36:06,752 --> 00:36:09,454
We all knew that Pangburn
liked shooting guns.
636
00:36:09,488 --> 00:36:14,626
Jasen got excited when he saw
the .22. He looked at me;
637
00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:16,728
he looked at the gun and said
638
00:36:16,762 --> 00:36:18,930
he wanted to test fire it.
639
00:36:18,964 --> 00:36:21,332
It was a trap.
640
00:36:22,067 --> 00:36:24,035
Jason Cofell was thinking to himself,
641
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:25,837
"Good, Jasen Pangburn's taking me
642
00:36:25,871 --> 00:36:27,972
to a place where I can kill him."
643
00:36:30,442 --> 00:36:34,679
They went across the road,
went down across the field.
644
00:36:34,713 --> 00:36:37,615
They got down into the ravine
where Jasen Pangburn does
645
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:40,385
his target practice.
646
00:36:40,419 --> 00:36:46,190
The .22-caliber gun that Jason
Cofell had was a nine-shot gun.
647
00:36:51,397 --> 00:36:55,500
Jasen Pangburn fired the gun
three times into a tree.
648
00:36:55,534 --> 00:36:56,701
Your turn.
649
00:37:05,077 --> 00:37:09,947
Stephen Hill
also fired the gun three times.
650
00:37:13,585 --> 00:37:15,019
Jason Cofell stood...
651
00:37:16,889 --> 00:37:18,456
fired two rounds into the tree...
652
00:37:22,094 --> 00:37:24,962
put his hand and the gun
down by his side...
653
00:37:32,071 --> 00:37:34,405
Hey, Cofell. You still got a shot left.
654
00:37:44,416 --> 00:37:45,783
Cofell?
655
00:37:50,723 --> 00:37:52,757
Jason Cofell fired
656
00:37:52,791 --> 00:37:55,259
right into the heart of Jasen Pangburn.
657
00:38:03,802 --> 00:38:06,304
Why'd you shoot me?
658
00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:12,076
Because you pissed me off.
659
00:38:17,683 --> 00:38:21,319
He made me bury the body with leaves
660
00:38:21,353 --> 00:38:23,955
and then he said we had
to go back to the house.
661
00:38:23,989 --> 00:38:27,525
Why?
662
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:31,462
The grandparents saw us.
663
00:38:31,497 --> 00:38:33,331
Cofell told
664
00:38:33,365 --> 00:38:37,001
Stephen Hill, "We're going to go
back and kill the grandparents.
665
00:38:37,035 --> 00:38:40,938
And if you don't do it,
I'm gonna kill you
666
00:38:40,973 --> 00:38:42,607
and I'm gonna kill your parents."
667
00:38:42,641 --> 00:38:44,742
So what happened next?
668
00:38:44,777 --> 00:38:48,613
He gave me a knife.
669
00:38:48,647 --> 00:38:51,649
He said he would take the old
man; I'd take the old lady.
670
00:38:51,683 --> 00:38:56,187
So we went back to the house.
671
00:38:58,857 --> 00:39:03,494
Cofell went to take the old man
and I stayed with her.
672
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:07,532
And I stabbed her, like he said,
673
00:39:07,566 --> 00:39:12,503
but I didn't want to kill her!
674
00:39:12,538 --> 00:39:16,079
I tried not to go too deep.
675
00:39:17,743 --> 00:39:21,012
When Cofell came back in the room
676
00:39:21,046 --> 00:39:23,314
and he saw that she was still alive,
677
00:39:23,348 --> 00:39:26,217
he stabbed her over
678
00:39:26,251 --> 00:39:30,221
and over and over and he wouldn't stop.
679
00:39:30,255 --> 00:39:32,890
At that point, Mr. Critchley came out
680
00:39:32,925 --> 00:39:37,061
of the bathroom and yelled at
them and Jason Cofell ran over
681
00:39:37,095 --> 00:39:40,164
and stabbed him three times
and he fell back
682
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,034
into the bathroom, knocking out
the cord on the clock.
683
00:39:54,413 --> 00:39:57,949
Jason Cofell went upstairs,
he got the guns, came down,
684
00:39:57,983 --> 00:40:00,551
stole Mr. Critchley's wallet
from his pocket,
685
00:40:00,586 --> 00:40:04,622
put them in the truck and drove away.
686
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,399
It was probably just a matter
687
00:40:15,434 --> 00:40:18,569
of coincidence that Constable
Mark Gransden from the OPP was
688
00:40:18,604 --> 00:40:20,571
down the street. He has just
pulled off the road
689
00:40:20,606 --> 00:40:23,207
to do some notes up.
690
00:40:30,282 --> 00:40:32,917
Jason Cofell told Stephen Hill,
691
00:40:32,951 --> 00:40:36,554
"If anybody saw us, we were
going to have to go back
692
00:40:36,588 --> 00:40:37,788
and kill everybody."
693
00:40:37,823 --> 00:40:40,191
That was his mom.
694
00:40:40,225 --> 00:40:43,294
She saw us; we're gonna have
to take care of it.
695
00:40:43,328 --> 00:40:44,328
Going back.
696
00:40:44,363 --> 00:40:46,697
Shit!
697
00:40:49,001 --> 00:40:50,668
And it possibly
could have happened that way
698
00:40:50,702 --> 00:40:53,571
had there not been
a police officer there.
699
00:40:57,276 --> 00:41:01,479
Jason Cofell never showed any
emotion or any remorse at all.
700
00:41:01,513 --> 00:41:06,284
Cofell went after Pangburn because
he had this hate for him.
701
00:41:06,318 --> 00:41:10,988
He shot Jasen Pangburn in the heart.
702
00:41:11,023 --> 00:41:15,626
I have never seen anything so
vicious as this guy's mind.
703
00:41:15,661 --> 00:41:21,132
There were many, many lives that
will never, ever be the same.
704
00:41:22,668 --> 00:41:25,303
Jasen Pangburn wasn't a follower.
705
00:41:25,337 --> 00:41:28,306
He was a good, quiet young man.
706
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:32,977
His grandparents were just
enjoying their retirement.
707
00:41:33,011 --> 00:41:36,647
They were nice, caring people.
708
00:41:36,682 --> 00:41:44,021
Unfortunately, uh,
the Critchleys were just there
709
00:41:44,056 --> 00:41:48,726
in the wrong place at the wrong time.
710
00:41:52,873 --> 00:41:58,377
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