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The loudest mouth gets
the most attention. [ Laughs ]
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Narrator: It's the shocking feud
that has captivated the world.
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Co-host with me again tonight,
Carole Anne, how you doin'?
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Narrator: The exotic zoo owner
with a bad mullet
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and an itchy trigger finger.
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[ Gunshots blasting ]
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The big cat rescuer
whose husband vanishes
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and leaves her millions.
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What did happen to him?
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We have airboats,
we have helicopters,
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and we are looking for Don!
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Narrator: It's all fun and games
-[ Gunshot blasts ]
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Until whispers of
murder are revealed.
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The person that did this
was very good.
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20 years,
they don't have a clue.
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Carole's ground him up
and fed him to the tigers.
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Narrator:
In this three-part special,
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we go beyond the hype for
the real story of Joe exotic
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and Carole Baskin.
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What is this really about?
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It's all coming back
to Don Lewis.
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Narrator: The brash strategy
to get Joe out of jail.
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If we'd just checked the septic
tank and find the body,
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then we'd walk Joe out.
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Narrator:
The unanswered questions
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about the hit man plot.
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You're gonna give
this mook three grand
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to go kill somebody?
Bull[Bleep].
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Narrator:
And exclusive new details
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about the disappearance
of Don Lewis.
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We had the cadaver dog
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hit numerous times
close to this dock.
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I think it's
a good time to approach him
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and talk to him... game on.
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Kenny, right?
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Narrator: It's tigers, lies,
and cover-up, oh my.
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##
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##
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[ tiger growls ]
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Unless you've been
living under a rock,
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you've heard the twisted saga
of Joe maldonado-passage,
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better known as Joe exotic.
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He's the Oklahoma zookeeper
who's absolutely obsessed
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with Carole Baskin
of big cat rescue.
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Carole Baskin, yep!
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That lady that profits
over $1.5 million
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sucking on your heart strings
about [bleep] on the Internet
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that ain't even true.
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Narrator:
Joe holds nothing back
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on his self-produced
Internet TV show.
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And before you bring me down,
it is my belief
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that you will stop breathing.
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Narrator:
For nearly a decade,
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these two are at each
other's throats,
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and it just gets
uglier and uglier.
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Good afternoon ladies
and gentlemen, I'm Joe exotic,
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and we're gonna make an honest
woman out of this bitch.
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Narrator: Carole claims Joe
abuses his animals.
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Joe calls Carole a hypocrite.
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The biggest accredited sanctuary
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in the world only helped
two animals.
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For god's sakes,
we do that a week.
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Narrator: Things escalate when
Joe accuses Carole Baskin of
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murdering her former husband,
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Don Lewis, who went missing
back in 1997...
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Keep these two separated,
because you never want
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to feed two cats
from one nipple.
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Even though Carole
has never been
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charged or implicated
in his disappearance.
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She has this black cloud over
her head of people thinking
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that she fed her husband
to the tiger.
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I hear it's Carole's birthday
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next month, and we're shipping
her two of these.
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Narrator: But Joe exotic
isn't exactly an angel.
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Griffith: What Joe did,
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what he did to the animals,
what happened between him
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and Carole,
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his crazy life
as a country singer,
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and it just goes on
and on and on and on.
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It is the biggest [bleep]show
that we have seen to date.
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[ Blasting noise ]
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Joe has been saying, loudly,
that Don was put
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in the meat grinder
and fed to the tigers.
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# Oh, here kitty, kitty #
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# mama Carole,
she sure loves you #
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# oh, here kitty, kitty #
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narrator: The feud comes to
a head when Joe's arrested
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on September 7th 2018.
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Woman: Federal authorities
foil a murder-for-hire plot
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that targeted
big cat rescue owner,
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Carole Baskin,
and leaves her enemy,
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Joe exotic, behind bars.
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Narrator: Joe's sentenced to
22 years in federal prison.
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Narrator: Joe's got a lot of
friends working on the outside.
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In true Joe fashion,
it's an interesting
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cast of characters.
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My name is Anne Patrick.
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I met Joe five years ago.
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He was doing
a presidential campaign.
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And yes, I'm running for
president of the United States,
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and it is about time somebody
said what you were thinking.
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He was like, this bitch took off
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with all
my presidential [bleep],
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now I don't know what to do,
you know,
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I'm in the middle
of this campaign.
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I said,
"hey, I'll do it!"
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I've never even voted
in my life.
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Announcer: Joe exotic is here
for the people of america.
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I was like, this guy's a [bleep]
nut, but I am, too,
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so I was like, let's just
go see what happens!
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Narrator: Joe's had
four husbands... at one point,
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he had two at the same time.
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Woman: You may now kiss.
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Narrator: Dillon passage is
husband number four.
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Passage:
Since Joe was arrested,
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like, the minute
he was arrested,
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my life was just flipped
the [bleep] upside-down.
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When they said
the murder-for-hire charge,
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I was, like... I was shocked.
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You know, I didn't think
Joe would ever
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take anything that far.
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The zoo's new owner
is somebody Joe
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came to know and hate,
Jeff lowe.
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This is Tara and gentle.
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They're really
gettin' into this.
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Patrick:
I think I met Jeff lowe, like,
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the first day or two
when I went to the park.
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Old dude with his bandana,
ball cap,
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walked around like he was,
you know, the boss.
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Narrator: Joe is in
a particularly bad place
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when Jeff shows up.
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He's got big-time
financial problems,
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and Carole's suin' him.
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I have a judgment against me
from some [bleep] down there
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in Florida.
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Carole Baskin filed a lawsuit
on me for copyright for some
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stupid rabbit picture
of her staff with dead rabbits.
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Patrick: Joseph needed
the money to get out
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from the lawsuit
with Carole Baskin.
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So here comes Jeff swooping
in with his $35,000,
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and he says, "I'll pay
the attorneys, and then I'll put"
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"my name on the zoo,
'cause I'm such a good guy.
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I'm gonna help you."
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So now everything's in his name.
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There are so many unanswered
questions in a story like this,
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but the biggest mystery of all
is what happened to Don Lewis.
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Narrator: Carole and many others
maintain the belief
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that Don was involved
in a plane crash.
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Carole's been defending these
accusations on social media
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and in her online video diaries.
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All these years, I think
the most likely scenario
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was that Don left out early
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of pilot country estates,
headed out over
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the Gulf to fly somewhere
under the radar,
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where the air is smoother,
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and crashed.
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My name's Jim rathmann,
born and raised in Florida,
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and I consult for families of
missing persons or cold cases.
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I've worked in law enforcement
as uniformed patrol.
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I've done a little bit of
undercover narcotics,
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and I ended up working for
United States secret service.
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When I first started hearing
about the Don Lewis
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disappearance, a lot of red
flags stuck out, and it's only
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an hour, hour and a half
from where I live,
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and I decided I needed to look
into this independently and see
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if there's anything I could do
to kind of help out,
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provide some new leads, or even
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solve this case if
it's possible.
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Narrator: Don Lewis has been
missing for 23 years,
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and no one's been able
to prove what actually
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happened to him.
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Rathmann:
As an investigator,
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it's important to look at all
the theories and the questions
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surrounding a cold case.
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In the case of Don Lewis,
there are several.
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Has he gone to Costa Rica?
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Did he crash his plane
over the Gulf of Mexico?
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Was Don Lewis murdered
by drug traffickers?
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Was he killed in
a business deal gone wrong?
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Was his wife, Carole Baskin,
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involved in her missing
husband's disappearance?
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Or the craziest of all,
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did she feed her husband
to the tigers?
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[ Music climbing ]
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Chronister: Right now,
it's a cold case.
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There's just no real
legitimate leads.
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Fritz: Everybody that knows
of his disappearance
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has an idea of what happened,
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but nobody can prove
a thing at this point.
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Once we learned that
her husband had disappeared,
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he's never been found,
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people went,
what did happen to him?
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Rathmann: There's a private
investigator, Dan toporowych,
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that I'm really looking
forward to meeting with.
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Dan being a private
investigator and working with
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Anne Patrick has brought a lot
of information to light.
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Some of this information
could be real useful,
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not only in the Joe exotic case,
but also for
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the Don Lewis case, as well.
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Absolutely... thanks for
meeting with me, man.
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Absolutely.
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What made you get involved
in this?
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So my partner, Dave, and I
are both retired cops.
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We worked together up in Ohio.
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He calls me, and he's like,
"hey, have you watched
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the series?"
So after I watched
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the series, I called him,
I go, "yeah",
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"there... there's more to this.
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"Why, where are you gettin'
at?" He goes,
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"well, let's write him a letter
and ask him
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if there's anything
we could do for him."
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We heard back from Joe,
and Joe told
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the state he wants US
on his defense team.
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So that's when we started
digging into
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the bad police work that was
involved in this.
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And it just has snowballed,
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because it's all coming back
to Don Lewis.
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Rathmann: And as you know,
I'm spending a lot of my time
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with Don Lewis, and I think
Joe was getting close and...
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Yeah, I think
he was gettin' close,
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and people were starting
to ask Carole some
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difficult questions,
-mm-hmm.
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And the sheriff's department's
probably reinvestigating
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and starting to ask some
difficult questions.
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She needed him shut up.
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Rathmann: Seems like Dan
believes that maybe
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Carole set up Joe
to shut him up.
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Toporowych: So the
investigation into Don Lewis,
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and the appeal in getting Joe
out of jail,
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we're connecting dots
where it appears to US
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that Carole Baskin and Jeff lowe
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are connected to each other,
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knew each other prior
to Jeff coming out
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to the g.W. Zoo and trying
to help Joe out,
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[ lawn mower rumbling ]
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And it all turns back
to Don Lewis.
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Joe wanted that whole
investigation into Don Lewis.
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He wants Carole in jail,
and all of a sudden now,
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Jeff lowe shows up
at the g.W. Zoo,
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and once Joe signed over
the zoo to him, he brought on
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his best friend, Allen glover.
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Allen's a convicted felon.
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What really hurt Joe at
the trial was the testimony of
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the right-hand man of Jeff lowe,
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Allen glover.
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Narrator: Two years after
Jeff lowe buys Joe's zoo,
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he skedaddles back to Las Vegas.
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He starts a business there
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charging folks
to pet tiger cubs,
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but Jeff still has a man on
the ground in Oklahoma
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to keep an eye on things...
Allen glover.
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Dan toporowych
implied that Carole Baskin
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may have known Jeff lowe
for years
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and might had even sent him
to buy the zoo.
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Anne will know about what
happened because she was there.
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Let's talk about...
Let's talk about Allen.
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All right, well, first of all,
I called him "accident Allen,"
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'cause he fell down
all the time.
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He was always hurt.
He was a liability at the zoo.
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Him and Joe fought all the time.
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Well, Jeff was in Las Vegas,
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so he was hopin' Jeff was
gonna just stay in Vegas,
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but then Jeff had to go get
himself arrested.
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Woman: Jeff lowe was arrested
and charged in Las Vegas
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after he was caught
running a high-end
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cub-petting service
without a license.
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At his arrest, lowe was caught
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in possession of firearms,
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which was illegal because
he was a convicted felon.
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Jeff lowe gets arrested
with firearms.
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He was a felon in possession
of firearms in Las Vegas.
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The gun case
has never been filed.
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Patrick: I just think
that Jeff copped to the feds
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and was like,
"I'll make a deal with you.
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I'll give you Joe,
but you let me go."
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Narrator: With no business left
to run in Las Vegas,
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Jeff returns to the zoo.
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Joe and friends think
he came back with a plan.
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Patrick: That's when
he was takin' Joe down.
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Joseph had made the decision
that he was leaving.
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I just want to go live
my life with
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my new husband
and have to do this no more.
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And Jeff went after him
like a viper.
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Narrator: When Jeff lowe returns
to the zoo in the fall
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of 2017, things go from bad
to worse for Joe exotic.
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Joe's steaming
because he lost his zoo,
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and he blames Carole Baskin.
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Jeff goes to Joe, and he's like,
hey, I have a guy who can
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take out Carole, and so that's
where Allen glover comes in.
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Narrator:
According to Jeff lowe,
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Joe pays Allen glover $3,000
to kill Carole Baskin,
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but the hit never happens.
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Passage: That obviously failed,
because they're all criminals.
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And then Jeff's like,
"okay, well,
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I have this other dude
who can do it."
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Narrator: Needless to say,
Joe picks the wrong dude.
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The would-be hit man,
who shows up in December 2017,
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is actually
an undercover FBI agent
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with a hidden tape recorder.
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Rathmann: According to the court
records, Joe says to the agent,
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"she's got to go,"
referring to Carole Baskin.
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The undercover agent tells Joe
that a hit on Carole
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would cost $10,000, but no
money is ever exchanged,
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and it's the agent who brings
up the idea of murder-for-hire.
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On September 7, 2018,
Joe exotic is arrested for
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hiring a hit man to kill
his sworn enemy, Carole Baskin.
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Ogle: Joe exotic enters
a not guilty plea
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in the murder-for-hire case
against him.
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He was very confident...
He was gonna walk out of
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that courtroom a free man.
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There was no question
in his mind.
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Federal u.S. Attorney's offices
have a 98% conviction rate.
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98.
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Patrick: The grand jury would
not proceed until mid July-ish
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because they didn't have
enough evidence
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for a hit-man-for-hire.
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Narrator:
But federal authorities
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have more up their sleeves.
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No question, they couldn't make
the murder-for-hire.
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They couldn't make it.
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So they re-indicted the case
on the Eve of trial
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to include these fish
and wildlife offenses.
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Man: U.S. Attorney's office
drops a kind of bombshell,
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with new charges
against the man known
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as Joe exotic.
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Woman: Among the 21 counts
maldonado-passage
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is facing,
19 are wildlife charges.
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You have
these murder-for-hire charges,
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and then you have these animal
cruelty charges, all glommed
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into one case...
That is very unusual.
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Narrator: In march 2019,
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Joe exotic is sittin'
in federal court.
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He's on trial, charged with
attempted murder-for-hire
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and violation of
regulations protecting
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wild animals.
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Woman: Prosecutors say
Joe exotic killed
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the tigers to make room
for other tigers.
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It's interesting... usually
the government starts off with
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their most serious charge,
would be the murder counts.
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But how they started off was
a little different.
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Former park employees
called to testify
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against him Monday
include Erik cowie.
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They brought
the long-haired guy Erik in,
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who loved the animals,
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who said he was with them when
he had to put one down,
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and he cried on the stand.
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I knew cats were gettin' shot,
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because we discussed it all...
All day long for...
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I want to say, even a day
or two before that.
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An animal abuser...
That's the worst thing.
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I think if we make him
look bad enough,
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then they'll just find him
guilty on everything.
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The evidence that was found
out later when they exhumed
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the tiger bodies did not show
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that there was anything
wrong with any of those tigers.
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So, in our minds, we're like,
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why where they put down?
Money.
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The judge said,
we're gonna switch gears now,
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and now you're gonna be
hearing about
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the murder-for-hire.
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Narrator:
Three days into the trial,
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the jury is presented with
evidence from Joe exotic's
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TV show.
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Woman: Prosecutors used Joe
exotic's videos against him
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to support
their murder-for-hire case.
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[ Gunshot blasts ]
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If you're gonna do it,
you're not gonna talk about it.
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You're just gonna do it...
You're not gonna put it on
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the Internet that you're gonna
kill somebody.
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No, you're just gonna do it.
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Joe never had any intent
or ability to carry that out.
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Narrator: Then Carole Baskin
takes the stand as
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a witness for the prosecution.
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Woman: In court,
Baskin testified
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threats continued through 2017
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and that she feared
for her life.
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Buskey: To me,
she did seem credible.
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Um, she seemed passionate
about animals,
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and she just seemed
like a nice lady.
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I could tell she was upset
and distraught,
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and I could understand her fear.
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Narrator:
After a week-long trial,
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the prosecution rests without
calling several people
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in Joe's inner circle.
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The prosecutor had John reinke
on their list.
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They subpoenaed him...
At the very last second,
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they cut him.
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He was the park manager
for 14 years.
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He had a lot to say.
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He knows what happened.
He was there.
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There was nobody
gonna get hurt in this.
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Man: The former manager
of maldonado's
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roadside zoo spoke
out Wednesday.
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Did Joe do wrong?
Yeah, I'm sure he did wrong.
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He did sell cubs.
He did transport cubs.
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Um, the murder-for-hire thing,
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I don't think it ever would have
went this far
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without somebody pushing it.
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One of the most important
pieces to this entire case
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is the murder-for-hire
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and the $3,000 payment.
- Yes.
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- Yes.
- Tell me about that.
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- Bull[bleep].
- Tell me why. Tell me why.
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00:17:55,942 --> 00:18:00,478
It is bull[Bleep]... okay,
so, Allen, the hit man, right?
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He just was a hot mess,
and he worked for Jeff,
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and he made sure everybody
knew he worked for Jeff.
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Him and Joseph went at it
all the time,
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because he was just...
He hated Joe.
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- So the $3,000 payment.
- The $3,000
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was... really, it was just
money to make him go home.
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Allen asked me to get
the ticket, like, he was like,
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'cause I fly all the time,
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so it was like I got
the ticket for him.
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And the plane ticket
was from where to where?
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Oklahoma city to I want to say
south Carolina.
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It's like, hey, please go.
Here's some cash.
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Get you through
till you get a next job.
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- Take care, have a nice day.
- Yeah.
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And that was Jeff told Joseph.
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That's what Jeff told...
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Jeff told him to give him
the money to get him out.
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Jeff couldn't stand
the two of them fighting.
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Narrator:
There are two different stories
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about the $3,000 that
Allen glover was given.
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The $3,000 was a loan.
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Allen was gonna pay it back
when he went home.
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Narrator: But the prosecution
said it was evidence of a crime.
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And so at no time, you never
heard Joe talking about
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giving him money
to go down to Florida,
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hey, kill Carole for $3,000.
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He never ever... he's gonna give
this mook who can't even
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walk across the trail... to his
trailer without falling down
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and cracking his melon open?
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You're gonna give him three
grand to go kill somebody?
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And Allen didn't even
go to Florida.
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- He went to south Carolina.
- No! No!
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Got... got...
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He was on the beach!
All of a sudden,
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July, Jeff and Allen decide,
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oh, well, Allen got paid
$3,000 cash
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to go... to go kill this woman.
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Narrator: Jeff lowe releases
audio recordings
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to the media after
Joe's conviction.
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Jeff lowe is the one
who provided the money.
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You know, at that point,
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this park was no longer
in Joe's control.
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It was in Jeff's control.
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So how does the owner of
the park essentially walk away
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scot-free?
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Hernandez:
Jeff lowe was after the zoo...
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That was in the design.
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Second, the opportunity
presented itself
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when he got arrested.
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I think he cut a deal with
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the agents while
he was in Las Vegas,
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which explains why his case
has not proceeded.
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If I deliver
for you, government,
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you're not gonna file
the case against me.
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So that's why you dance
with the devil,
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to work off your own case.
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There's more and more evidence
that Carole Baskin
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was in on it with Jeff lowe.
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We do know that lowe was
cooperating with the government
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and may have accepted a plea
deal in exchange for
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his cooperation.
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He's a prior felon.
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If he goes down for a felon
in possession of arms,
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00:20:52,652 --> 00:20:55,164
that's just five years flat.
469
00:20:55,188 --> 00:20:57,254
Throughout this trial,
Joe maintained
470
00:20:57,290 --> 00:21:00,191
that Jeff lowe set him up.
471
00:21:00,326 --> 00:21:03,794
I didn't feel there was any
collusion whatsoever to, quote,
472
00:21:03,929 --> 00:21:06,508
get him to hire
someone to kill her.
473
00:21:06,532 --> 00:21:08,043
Yeretsian: There were so many
different individuals
474
00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:09,600
that hated him,
and it made sense,
475
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:12,469
for him to go away,
that they all worked together.
476
00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:15,584
Jeff lowe said it, gotcha.
477
00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:18,676
Well, I've got it all,
Joe, this much, I have it.
478
00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:21,545
You're [bleep].
You are so [bleep].
479
00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:32,223
Narrator: The jury deliberates
for four hours in the case
480
00:21:32,358 --> 00:21:36,527
against Joe maldonado-passage,
aka Joe exotic.
481
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:40,897
Jury came back,
finding Joseph maldonado-passage
482
00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:43,767
guilty on all counts.
483
00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:46,103
Buskey: The evidence
that was presented to US
484
00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:49,306
of all his wrongdoings
stood on its own.
485
00:21:49,342 --> 00:21:50,775
It's solid.
It's black and white.
486
00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:54,645
It's paper. It's video.
It's audio.
487
00:21:54,780 --> 00:21:58,048
And so we literally pored
through it and went through
488
00:21:58,117 --> 00:22:01,919
every piece of evidence
and cross-referenced receipts
489
00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:05,589
and everything else,
and we put it all together,
490
00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:08,392
and it made a nice little
road map.
491
00:22:08,428 --> 00:22:12,329
None of the evidence we saw
looked like it was a setup
492
00:22:12,398 --> 00:22:13,664
in any way, shape, or form.
493
00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:15,866
And you gotta think if
anybody's gonna sit there
494
00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:17,201
and say
they're gonna kill you...
495
00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:18,935
You will stop breathing.
496
00:22:18,971 --> 00:22:21,383
You might want to take
that seriously.
497
00:22:21,407 --> 00:22:23,340
Even if you think
they're joking around,
498
00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:26,143
still, take it seriously.
499
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:28,991
At the reading of all
the verdicts and especially
500
00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:31,882
when we got to
the two murder-for-hires,
501
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:33,217
he was found guilty.
502
00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:35,285
I can remember him just
shaking his head like,
503
00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:36,620
[ scoffs ] You know.
504
00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:39,490
He just thought it was a farce
or thought it was a joke.
505
00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:42,693
And it's like, sorry,
the evidence was there.
506
00:22:42,828 --> 00:22:46,497
The law's the law, you can't
do what you're doing.
507
00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:48,899
Unfortunately, you got caught.
508
00:22:53,239 --> 00:22:54,371
Yeretsian: As an attorney,
509
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,241
you win or lose your case
when you pick your jury.
510
00:22:57,376 --> 00:23:00,110
There was enough there
to create reasonable doubt,
511
00:23:00,179 --> 00:23:02,446
as far as
the murder-for-hire goes.
512
00:23:02,581 --> 00:23:04,648
But clearly, they turned
their back on it
513
00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:09,019
and decided to find him guilty
of all charges.
514
00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:21,132
Passage: We talk, like,
3 to 5 times every day.
515
00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:22,578
If I'm trying
to lift him up and stuff,
516
00:23:22,602 --> 00:23:25,702
I'll talk about our life after
he gets out and, you know,
517
00:23:25,838 --> 00:23:26,782
what we have planned,
518
00:23:26,806 --> 00:23:28,405
and he wants me
to look at houses
519
00:23:28,474 --> 00:23:31,275
and kind of get a place for US.
520
00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,076
Hope is the number one thing
for Joe.
521
00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:35,679
You know, if he doesn't have
anything to be optimistic about
522
00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:37,481
or to see in his future,
523
00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:41,819
then he's not gonna mentally
be able to stay sane and,
524
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:44,754
you know, make it through
the situation he's in.
525
00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:46,824
Joe's very hopeful
that he will get out.
526
00:23:49,996 --> 00:23:51,762
Griffith:
Joe was sentenced to 22 years,
527
00:23:51,831 --> 00:23:54,498
but if you look at the law
and look at how other people
528
00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:57,701
have been sentenced...
Pretty harsh.
529
00:23:57,837 --> 00:23:59,236
Patrick:
What they usually do is
530
00:23:59,305 --> 00:24:02,105
run your charges concurrent,
side by side.
531
00:24:02,141 --> 00:24:04,708
But the judge
stacked those charges.
532
00:24:04,777 --> 00:24:07,089
Hernandez:
22-year sentence.
533
00:24:07,113 --> 00:24:09,513
There's sex offenders with DNA
534
00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:12,716
and a confession across
the street in the county jail
535
00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:14,018
that got half of that.
536
00:24:16,022 --> 00:24:18,542
That's his sentence... he's not
gonna be in prison for 22 years.
537
00:24:18,657 --> 00:24:20,791
I'm gonna...
I'm gonna guarantee you that.
538
00:24:20,926 --> 00:24:22,860
My name is Eric love.
539
00:24:22,929 --> 00:24:26,463
I'm from bedford, Texas.
I'm a private investigator.
540
00:24:26,532 --> 00:24:28,365
I've been affiliated
and working in
541
00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:30,534
law enforcement
for the last 34 years.
542
00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:32,603
I have a daughter named Gabby.
543
00:24:32,672 --> 00:24:36,673
She says, "oh my gosh,
you've gotta watch Joe exotic."
544
00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:39,209
So a private investigator's mind
looks at things
545
00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:41,212
maybe a little bit different
than other folks.
546
00:24:43,282 --> 00:24:46,950
I started thinking about it
and think, the case is full of
547
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:49,619
injustices, and then Gabby
says, "dad,
548
00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:51,755
why don't you look
into this case?"
549
00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:53,669
And I told her, I said, "listen",
550
00:24:53,693 --> 00:24:55,959
"he was wronged, and we're
gonna right the wrong.
551
00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:57,148
I think we can get him out."
552
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,344
That's why team tiger
was put together.
553
00:25:02,368 --> 00:25:04,346
- Jeff hoover, nice to meet.
- Pleasure to meet you.
554
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:06,147
Patrick: It's such an injustice
that they just
555
00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,437
couldn't sit back and watch it.
556
00:25:07,507 --> 00:25:09,506
It is the absolute best of
the best.
557
00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:11,909
Thanks for coming,
and what got you interested
558
00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:13,689
in putting all
your time into this?
559
00:25:13,713 --> 00:25:15,290
I like complex cases.
560
00:25:15,314 --> 00:25:17,380
I like helping out,
and I like working, and...
561
00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:18,982
You in it for the money?
562
00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:20,718
- [ Laughs ]
- I'm not making a dime.
563
00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:24,121
I do this because I truly
enjoy investigating by, like,
564
00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:25,255
helping out.
565
00:25:25,291 --> 00:25:26,724
I want to right wrongs.
566
00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:29,593
If there is a wrong available
to be righted,
567
00:25:29,662 --> 00:25:31,394
I want to do that.
568
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:33,976
He's the one that brought
the team together, actually.
569
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,533
I wrote Joe a letter,
570
00:25:35,668 --> 00:25:38,113
and he immediately responded
with, "Eric,
571
00:25:38,137 --> 00:25:40,270
I desperately need your help,"
572
00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:43,139
and then Anne called me,
the power of attorney,
573
00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:44,874
and at this point, I knew I had
574
00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:47,677
a full basket, and I've got to
get some help, right?
575
00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:51,615
Then I called Francisco,
and I said,
576
00:25:51,684 --> 00:25:53,729
"I've got a case for you."
- Now you did.
577
00:25:53,753 --> 00:25:56,353
That's exactly how it happened.
[ Laughter ]
578
00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:58,489
It's interesting
how they did his whole case.
579
00:25:58,624 --> 00:25:59,735
When they did the prosecution,
580
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,025
they actually did
the tiger aspect of things
581
00:26:02,094 --> 00:26:03,827
first, right?
- That was for shock and awe.
582
00:26:03,863 --> 00:26:07,230
Right... to kinda
cast that shadow over Joe,
583
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:08,231
- the monster.
- And then go for
584
00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:09,878
the murder-for-hire.
- And did you catch,
585
00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:12,903
on cross-examination,
they asked the usda officer,
586
00:26:13,038 --> 00:26:14,638
"how many of these have
been prosecuted
587
00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:16,373
to your knowledge?"
588
00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:19,242
- This one.
- Just the one.
589
00:26:19,312 --> 00:26:21,878
If you look at his court
records, you'll scratch
590
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:23,179
your head.
591
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:25,716
We think there's incompetence,
we think there's collusion.
592
00:26:25,851 --> 00:26:28,030
When I called Francisco,
and we discussed it,
593
00:26:28,054 --> 00:26:30,521
I said look, Joe was targeted,
he's incarcerated.
594
00:26:30,656 --> 00:26:33,101
He's not guilty of
what he's charged with.
595
00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:35,192
This is a presidential
pardon case.
596
00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:38,462
And when we lay out that case,
we feel that the president
597
00:26:38,531 --> 00:26:42,466
will side with US and we'll
get the pardon because anybody
598
00:26:42,535 --> 00:26:44,713
can be a victim of what
Joe was a victim of.
599
00:26:44,737 --> 00:26:45,781
Hoover: Oh, anybody could.
Absolutely.
600
00:26:45,805 --> 00:26:47,115
- Absolutely.
- Absolutely.
601
00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:48,939
There's not just
one Joe out there.
602
00:26:49,074 --> 00:26:51,253
There's more Joes out there,
you understand?
603
00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:55,924
If you go fight Goliath,
you better have some ammunition.
604
00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:59,016
The, uh, defense was
prohibited from
605
00:26:59,085 --> 00:27:01,618
bringing any information
on about Carole Baskin.
606
00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:03,665
The question here to
investigate and is,
607
00:27:03,689 --> 00:27:05,133
was there any, uh,
608
00:27:05,157 --> 00:27:09,004
any collusion or cooperation
between Carole Baskin
609
00:27:09,028 --> 00:27:09,893
and Jeff lowe?
610
00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:11,473
They didn't even
put Jeff lowe up there.
611
00:27:11,497 --> 00:27:14,076
They didn't... wouldn't even
let them talk about Jeff.
612
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,567
We have reason to believe
that Jeff lowe was,
613
00:27:16,702 --> 00:27:19,436
in fact, setting up, uh,
614
00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:23,173
Joe months before
this happened and that he,
615
00:27:23,242 --> 00:27:25,287
in fact, had communication
with Carole Baskin.
616
00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:29,179
The defense was precluded from
impeaching her credibility
617
00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:30,425
with matters about her husband
618
00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:32,382
because it didn't
seem to be relevant.
619
00:27:32,451 --> 00:27:34,852
Well, I'm definitely gonna do
everything I can on my end.
620
00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,187
I'm working the Don Lewis case
very hard,
621
00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:39,668
but I'm also gonna be trying
to connect the dots and help
622
00:27:39,692 --> 00:27:41,191
out your team out here and be
623
00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:43,171
able to provide you some
information or whatever else
624
00:27:43,195 --> 00:27:44,995
that I can find
that's gonna help you
625
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:47,131
and your case.
- Well, you have 50 million fans
626
00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:48,510
hopin' you find something
to help US.
627
00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:49,667
Yeah, I hope so, too.
628
00:27:49,802 --> 00:27:51,580
Well, thank you guys so very
much for having me out here,
629
00:27:51,604 --> 00:27:53,537
and I look forward to being
in touch soon.
630
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,873
The team's ultimate goal
is for Joe to have freedom,
631
00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:58,109
and we'd like it pretty quick.
632
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,247
Appeals or writs,
post-conviction...
633
00:28:04,283 --> 00:28:05,683
Anything that's
post-conviction...
634
00:28:05,818 --> 00:28:08,218
It's not easy to get
things overturned.
635
00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:12,022
You really have to convince
the appellate court that
636
00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:15,070
an egregious error did happen
or something
637
00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:17,161
was kept out that should have
come in, and it
638
00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:18,606
would have made
a huge difference,
639
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:20,998
and the jury would have maybe
found him not guilty.
640
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:25,080
Rathmann: I think the defense
probably did the best
641
00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:27,705
that they could
with what they had,
642
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,908
but now, looking back on it,
you continue to find error
643
00:28:31,043 --> 00:28:32,287
after error after error.
644
00:28:32,311 --> 00:28:34,778
When you find a continuous
amount of errors,
645
00:28:34,814 --> 00:28:37,581
you need to re examine that
case. You need to reexamine,
646
00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,094
did they actually
convict this person
647
00:28:39,118 --> 00:28:40,250
off all the right reasons?
648
00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,185
Or was he wrongfully convicted
649
00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:44,121
and has a chance
to freedom again?
650
00:28:44,256 --> 00:28:46,122
After meeting with team tiger,
651
00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:48,658
I'm more convinced than ever
that there's a lot more to
652
00:28:48,694 --> 00:28:51,729
this story, and clearly, I'm not
alone in thinking that.
653
00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:53,508
Hi, everyone.
This is tricia Griffith
654
00:28:53,532 --> 00:28:56,044
with websleuths radio podcast.
655
00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:58,535
If something doesn't make
sense on paper,
656
00:28:58,571 --> 00:29:02,718
if you look at it and go,
why did that happen? Hm.
657
00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:05,342
There's a reason...
My name is tricia Griffith,
658
00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:08,545
and I am the owner of
websleuths. Com,
659
00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:12,994
host of websleuths radio podcast
and websleuths YouTube live.
660
00:29:13,018 --> 00:29:15,130
Websleuths is a place for people
661
00:29:15,154 --> 00:29:18,755
to gather on the Internet
to discuss true crime.
662
00:29:18,824 --> 00:29:21,958
We have time,
and we have the ability
663
00:29:22,061 --> 00:29:26,742
to go look in places that law
enforcement departments can't.
664
00:29:26,766 --> 00:29:30,433
Joe exotic became
a phenomenon, and everybody
665
00:29:30,469 --> 00:29:34,304
surrounding Joe exotic,
and people started looking into
666
00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:39,909
Carole Baskin, missing husband,
and then finding out that
667
00:29:39,945 --> 00:29:44,760
her husband had supposedly
literally flown away,
668
00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:46,895
never to be seen again.
669
00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:51,054
We all went, uh-uh, no,
there is something really
670
00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,056
wrong here.
671
00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:54,925
Before he went behind bars,
672
00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:58,929
Joe exotic really did raise
the alarm bells when it came to
673
00:29:58,998 --> 00:30:00,776
Don Lewis being missing.
674
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,311
We have airboats,
we have helicopters,
675
00:30:03,335 --> 00:30:05,180
and we are looking for Don!
676
00:30:05,204 --> 00:30:08,939
Griffith:
Constantly saying that Don was
677
00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:11,008
ground up and fed to the tigers.
678
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:18,415
And maybe Carole needed
Joe exotic to stop talking.
679
00:30:19,885 --> 00:30:22,352
And maybe he is close
to the truth,
680
00:30:22,388 --> 00:30:24,087
but he's the only one
behind bars.
681
00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:27,224
##
682
00:30:30,762 --> 00:30:37,479
##
683
00:30:37,503 --> 00:30:39,502
Rathmann: When I first
started hearing about
684
00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:41,305
the Don Lewis disappearance,
685
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,286
I felt terrible
for Don Lewis's family.
686
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:46,822
I can't imagine what it was
like for them
687
00:30:46,846 --> 00:30:48,778
for the last 23 years
of their lives
688
00:30:48,814 --> 00:30:51,114
to not have a clue of
what happened to their father.
689
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:52,249
He just disappeared.
690
00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:55,363
He left behind all of
his animals, his fortune,
691
00:30:55,387 --> 00:30:59,656
his businesses, and everything
has just gone... like, he just
692
00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:01,592
hasn't come back.
693
00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:04,127
I recently lost my father,
so, you know,
694
00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:07,464
you kind of have that added
drive to really find out what
695
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,200
has happened to Don Lewis
and try to get them
696
00:31:10,269 --> 00:31:12,002
some sort of answers that
they don't have.
697
00:31:12,137 --> 00:31:13,170
It's a pure mystery.
698
00:31:16,275 --> 00:31:19,076
Tricia Griffith has been
in contact with so many of
699
00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:21,923
the key players involved in
the disappearance of Don Lewis.
700
00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:24,347
I'm glad you're taking some
time to talk to me about this.
701
00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:25,615
This is quite the case.
702
00:31:25,651 --> 00:31:28,285
Yeah, I don't think
we'll ever see anything
703
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:31,622
like this in our lifetimes,
in our children's lifetimes.
704
00:31:31,757 --> 00:31:35,537
So you had a chance to talk
to some key players recently.
705
00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:37,628
Specifically, I talked to
Anne McQueen.
706
00:31:37,763 --> 00:31:40,831
- Rathmann: Mm-hmm.
- And Anne worked for Don
707
00:31:40,966 --> 00:31:42,298
for many, many years.
708
00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:46,615
She really was one of his
trusted, I would say, advisors
709
00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:47,905
trusted people,
710
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,041
and in the end, she was
the trustee, executor of
711
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:52,621
the wills and the trust.
- Right.
712
00:31:52,645 --> 00:31:56,046
She had the keys to the kingdom,
713
00:31:56,181 --> 00:32:00,250
and Anne said, a couple months
before he disappeared,
714
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,885
Don comes in, and he gives her
an envelope, it's sealed,
715
00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:04,654
he says, I want you
to hold on to this.
716
00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:06,301
You'll know what to do
with this some day,
717
00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:07,325
if you need to.
- Right.
718
00:32:07,393 --> 00:32:08,592
He said,
"don't open it."
719
00:32:10,329 --> 00:32:13,441
And that Friday,
when she called him,
720
00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:15,710
and she couldn't find him,
she knew.
721
00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:18,513
So you're talking about
August 15th of 1997, right?
722
00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:20,971
- Friday?
- Griffith: August 15th 1997.
723
00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:26,576
Apparently, Don and Carole
had such a big fuss
724
00:32:28,347 --> 00:32:31,681
that Don went to sleep
in the trailer itself
725
00:32:31,717 --> 00:32:32,916
of an 18-Wheeler.
726
00:32:36,655 --> 00:32:37,954
He didn't look like he slept.
727
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,334
In fact, she said,
he looked like hell,
728
00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:40,624
and that's when he said,
729
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:42,692
"I'm done with it,
I'm gonna go back.
730
00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:44,093
"I'm gonna tell Carole
it's over.
731
00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:46,196
I'm done. I'm getting
a divorce today."
732
00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:50,500
Anne tried to call Don just
733
00:32:50,536 --> 00:32:53,236
a couple of hours after
he left that morning.
734
00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:02,412
And then in the afternoon.
735
00:33:04,249 --> 00:33:07,450
And then at night,
all through the night.
736
00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:10,119
Saturday morning,
Saturday afternoon.
737
00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:11,722
Now she's panicked.
738
00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:16,259
She finally calls
Carole Sunday and said,
739
00:33:16,295 --> 00:33:19,196
"I'm really worried about Don,"
and Carole goes, "oh, well,
740
00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:20,542
"he does...
He does that all the time.
741
00:33:20,566 --> 00:33:22,999
"He leaves and doesn't tell
anybody," and Anne's like,
742
00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:25,335
"no, he doesn't."
743
00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:29,272
Carole said that she saw him
that Sunday morning,
744
00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,541
but he didn't go to church
with her, and she went to
745
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:34,678
church with Kenny, the handyman.
746
00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:36,412
So then Carole says,
"well, gosh,
747
00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:38,548
do you think I should call
the sheriff?"
748
00:33:38,584 --> 00:33:40,729
And Anne said, "uh,
do you think?"
749
00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:43,019
Narrator: Carole
and Anne McQueen have
750
00:33:43,088 --> 00:33:44,287
publicly disagreed about
751
00:33:44,423 --> 00:33:47,224
the circumstances surrounding
Don's disappearance.
752
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,159
Anne claims Don
always told her where he was,
753
00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:51,761
but again,
there are several times
754
00:33:51,797 --> 00:33:54,030
when she called me
because she couldn't find him
755
00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:55,532
for days on end.
756
00:33:55,634 --> 00:33:58,101
Her sarcasm about me not calling
757
00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:02,105
the police until the next day
was unwarranted.
758
00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:04,219
Narrator: Carole files
a missing persons report
759
00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:06,643
with the sheriff's office
after talking with Anne.
760
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,845
According to law
enforcement records,
761
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:13,716
Don Lewis disappears on Monday,
August 18th 1997.
762
00:34:13,786 --> 00:34:16,519
Carole says she saw him head
out of the house that morning
763
00:34:16,588 --> 00:34:18,254
and never saw him again.
764
00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:19,923
Griffith: A week later,
Anne gets a call
765
00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:21,058
from the security company
766
00:34:21,126 --> 00:34:22,993
that says our alarms are
going off...
767
00:34:23,128 --> 00:34:25,395
Now, Anne at this time was
down at the sheriff's office,
768
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:28,465
going to talk to them about
Don, and she couldn't leave.
769
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,067
And so she told
the security company,
770
00:34:30,202 --> 00:34:31,801
call the police,
771
00:34:31,837 --> 00:34:37,073
and they get there, and Carole
and Ken farr have removed
772
00:34:37,142 --> 00:34:40,577
everything, every file gone.
773
00:34:42,347 --> 00:34:44,667
That was the last time, they
never went back to the office.
774
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:46,816
Their jobs were over.
775
00:34:46,885 --> 00:34:48,418
The code for the alarm
776
00:34:48,487 --> 00:34:50,086
that Anne gave me
the night before
777
00:34:50,122 --> 00:34:52,956
must have been changed because
we could not shut off the alarm,
778
00:34:53,025 --> 00:34:54,536
and the police arrived.
779
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,826
Griffith: Remember the envelope
that Don had given
780
00:34:56,895 --> 00:34:59,255
Anne a couple of months before?
- Couple months before that?
781
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,544
Griffith: She gets it,
782
00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:06,703
she opens it, and she said
her knees just buckled.
783
00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:12,976
It was the restraining order
application that Don
784
00:35:13,045 --> 00:35:15,044
tried to get against Carole,
785
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,159
but it was denied by the judge.
786
00:35:18,183 --> 00:35:20,784
It was tough for women
to get restraining orders.
787
00:35:20,919 --> 00:35:22,585
Men, I'm sure,
almost impossible.
788
00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:23,965
In that restraining order,
it said
789
00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:26,389
in there, two times
in their relationship,
790
00:35:26,525 --> 00:35:30,326
she's made some sort of threat
against his life.
791
00:35:30,395 --> 00:35:33,508
I never threatened
to killed Don.
792
00:35:33,532 --> 00:35:36,578
He called me his guardian
angel because I was always
793
00:35:36,602 --> 00:35:38,201
the one protecting him.
794
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:39,536
Narrator:
At this point,
795
00:35:39,605 --> 00:35:42,272
Anne McQueen still thinks
she's Don's power of attorney.
796
00:35:42,407 --> 00:35:44,719
She's about to get a surprise.
797
00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:47,522
In the end, Anne McQueen
was the trustee,
798
00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:49,679
executor of the wills
and the trusts.
799
00:35:49,748 --> 00:35:50,813
Right.
800
00:35:50,849 --> 00:35:51,747
Narrator:
Carole doesn't trust
801
00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:54,016
Anne McQueen
and publicly accuses her
802
00:35:54,052 --> 00:35:57,398
of embezzlement,
a claim Anne denies.
803
00:35:57,422 --> 00:36:01,291
Griffith: Carole comes waltzing
into court with the document.
804
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,693
- Rathmann: Right.
- The power of attorney.
805
00:36:03,762 --> 00:36:04,873
The document said,
806
00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:06,429
in case of my disappearance,
807
00:36:06,565 --> 00:36:08,343
my power of attorney
will be Carole.
808
00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:12,635
Who writes "in case of
my disappearance"?
809
00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:15,872
Nobody puts that
in a power of attorney.
810
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,380
Narrator:
Anne McQueen believes she holds
811
00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:27,117
the power of attorney
for Don Lewis's estate.
812
00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:29,164
Then his wife, Carole,
shows up with
813
00:36:29,188 --> 00:36:32,455
a new piece of paper
that changes everything...
814
00:36:32,491 --> 00:36:35,992
A later-dated form that names
her as power of attorney.
815
00:36:36,061 --> 00:36:37,672
Rathmann: The person
who had the most to gain
816
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:38,907
would have been Carole.
817
00:36:38,931 --> 00:36:42,210
She now is able to collect
all of Don's properties,
818
00:36:42,234 --> 00:36:44,200
she put herself
ahead of all the trusts,
819
00:36:44,236 --> 00:36:47,037
and she made millions upon
millions of dollars from that.
820
00:36:48,607 --> 00:36:50,339
So I wanted to have
an expert look
821
00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:53,343
at the power of attorney
and the will.
822
00:36:53,412 --> 00:36:55,878
Thomas vastrick is
a handwriting expert.
823
00:36:55,948 --> 00:36:57,425
- Hey, Thomas, how are you?
- Hey, Jim.
824
00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,849
Rathmann: Many, many years
of experience in
825
00:36:59,885 --> 00:37:01,596
examining documents,
826
00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,687
all different types,
for signatures, for frauds.
827
00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:06,823
He's worked with the united
states postal service.
828
00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:11,739
He wants to know, it's either
it is or it is not a forgery.
829
00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:16,233
When I looked at Mr. Lewis's
signature, both the last will
830
00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:20,236
and testament and the durable
family power of attorney,
831
00:37:20,272 --> 00:37:25,842
I noticed that the signatures
were too similar to be normal.
832
00:37:27,246 --> 00:37:30,380
If you're writin' your name
10 times or even just two times,
833
00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:33,049
you'll notice differences
between each signature.
834
00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:35,385
It's called natural variation
'cause it's natural.
835
00:37:35,454 --> 00:37:38,454
And I noticed in these
a lack of variance,
836
00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:40,790
and that, to me, in my opinion,
837
00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:44,973
is a telltale sign of
an attempt to trace.
838
00:37:44,997 --> 00:37:48,131
That raises the specter
of can we find
839
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:53,936
a signature that was used as
the basis for the tracing?
840
00:37:54,006 --> 00:37:57,473
So I found this marriage record.
841
00:37:57,509 --> 00:38:00,676
This marriage record is dated
in 1991,
842
00:38:00,712 --> 00:38:04,680
five years before the will
and the power of attorney.
843
00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,751
This was the document
that contained
844
00:38:07,886 --> 00:38:11,087
the Lewis signature that was
used as the model.
845
00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:16,960
I created a little
illustration that shows
846
00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:19,140
the signatures
from the will on the top
847
00:38:19,164 --> 00:38:22,832
two samples, then the signature
from the power of attorney
848
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:24,746
and then from
the marriage record.
849
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:29,305
There's just a very strong,
similar appearance to these,
850
00:38:29,374 --> 00:38:32,842
more so than you would expect
to find between any two random
851
00:38:32,878 --> 00:38:35,111
signatures by the same person.
852
00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:37,292
And if you look
at the word "Donald,"
853
00:38:37,316 --> 00:38:40,650
it looks like it's spelled
with an e instead of an a.
854
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,988
And I found this mistake in
all of these signatures.
855
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:48,458
Now you can look and find
a couple differences between
856
00:38:48,593 --> 00:38:50,526
each of the signatures,
and that's fine.
857
00:38:50,595 --> 00:38:52,373
- Right.
- But this near exact
858
00:38:52,397 --> 00:38:57,178
replication is just classic
evidence of a tracing.
859
00:38:57,202 --> 00:39:00,114
What about the notaries
or the witnesses you have?
860
00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:03,673
I have samples of each of 'em,
and I find the same pattern.
861
00:39:03,808 --> 00:39:08,878
I cannot say that all three
of these are tracings.
862
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,080
I can say that, in my opinion,
863
00:39:11,149 --> 00:39:14,529
at least two of them are
'cause one of these could be
864
00:39:14,553 --> 00:39:15,930
the model signature
for all we know.
865
00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:18,399
Right... wow, that's powerful.
866
00:39:18,423 --> 00:39:20,401
So it's...
I want to say impossible,
867
00:39:20,425 --> 00:39:22,070
but it's near impossible
for somebody to have
868
00:39:22,094 --> 00:39:26,829
the exact same signature to
a t and, period, if they sign
869
00:39:26,898 --> 00:39:29,032
their name thousands of times,
but here it is,
870
00:39:29,167 --> 00:39:30,511
we actually have
the same signature
871
00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:31,879
within a five-year period.
872
00:39:31,903 --> 00:39:35,171
- For four different people.
- For four different people.
873
00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:36,839
What are the chances of that?
874
00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:39,042
I'm not a statistician,
but I think i'd
875
00:39:39,177 --> 00:39:42,912
have to use exponential
numbers to explain that.
876
00:39:42,948 --> 00:39:44,113
Agreed.
877
00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:45,460
Narrator:
Carole says she gathered
878
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:47,750
the witness and the notary
to the documents.
879
00:39:47,786 --> 00:39:50,920
All of the witnesses
and notary on the documents
880
00:39:50,956 --> 00:39:54,056
provided affidavits stating
that they saw Don
881
00:39:54,126 --> 00:39:56,459
sign them and that
he understood what he signed
882
00:39:56,528 --> 00:39:58,661
and that he was competent
to do so.
883
00:39:58,697 --> 00:40:00,329
This kinda can be
a game changer.
884
00:40:00,399 --> 00:40:03,866
Obviously, this was used in
the civil aspect of things,
885
00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:06,202
which awarded her
all the finances.
886
00:40:06,271 --> 00:40:08,003
On a criminal side,
it's really big
887
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:09,851
for the sheriff's office
to have this information
888
00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:11,585
and the state attorney's
office on what direction
889
00:40:11,609 --> 00:40:12,609
they're gonna go.
890
00:40:12,677 --> 00:40:14,637
So not only do they have
the person who would have
891
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,279
done this tracing,
892
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,326
it also gives them
a notary to speak with
893
00:40:18,350 --> 00:40:20,283
and two witnesses, as well.
894
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,819
So you actually have multiple
people involved with
895
00:40:22,954 --> 00:40:24,821
the signing of this to interview
896
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:28,336
and that need to testify as to
what had actually happened.
897
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960
We already know that there was
a restraining order
898
00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:34,208
that had happened two months
prior to his disappearance.
899
00:40:34,232 --> 00:40:36,565
We also know that he was
getting ready to go through
900
00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:39,947
a divorce... if this was
actually done prior to
901
00:40:39,971 --> 00:40:42,505
his actual disappearance,
and it was part of the plan,
902
00:40:42,574 --> 00:40:44,874
it could show premeditation
and murder.
903
00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:47,643
With this, there was a lot of
904
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,045
properties that were gained...
Over the years,
905
00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:51,559
these properties have been sold.
906
00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:55,117
If this is actually tracing,
it's gonna cause a lot of
907
00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:57,387
legal concerns
for all those people
908
00:40:57,522 --> 00:40:58,654
that have bought properties,
909
00:40:58,723 --> 00:41:01,169
transferred properties...
Technically, they never owned
910
00:41:01,193 --> 00:41:02,637
them, never owned them legally.
911
00:41:02,661 --> 00:41:09,198
##
912
00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:12,067
Narrator: On June 3rd 2020,
sheriff chronister of
913
00:41:12,103 --> 00:41:14,670
hillsborough county
has an important announcement
914
00:41:14,739 --> 00:41:16,205
about Don Lewis's will.
915
00:41:16,241 --> 00:41:18,007
Chronister:
The will was a forgery.
916
00:41:18,076 --> 00:41:20,610
Two experts deem it
100% a forgery.
917
00:41:20,745 --> 00:41:24,314
It certainly casts another
shadow of suspicion.
918
00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:28,017
Do I believe he's been killed,
that he's dead?
919
00:41:28,086 --> 00:41:30,352
Yes, I do.
Do I know who did it
920
00:41:30,388 --> 00:41:32,934
and how he died?
That I don't know.
921
00:41:32,958 --> 00:41:35,558
But certainly there's
a lot of suspicions,
922
00:41:35,693 --> 00:41:38,761
and we will do whatever
would be required to solve
923
00:41:38,797 --> 00:41:40,296
this case.
924
00:41:40,365 --> 00:41:42,510
Rathmann: The re-opening of
this investigation is really,
925
00:41:42,534 --> 00:41:43,566
really exciting.
926
00:41:45,604 --> 00:41:47,370
I feel like
I'm on the right path.
927
00:41:51,343 --> 00:41:54,643
Chronister: We're receiving,
on average, six tips a day.
928
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,979
Anything that's viable,
we're gonna pursue.
929
00:41:57,048 --> 00:41:58,693
There's nothing
more important to US
930
00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:02,118
than bringing justice
to his family.
931
00:42:03,388 --> 00:42:05,066
Narrator: All these theories
about what happened
932
00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:06,956
to Don Lewis
and the insinuations
933
00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:10,726
about Carole Baskin has sent
Jim rathmann on a quest,
934
00:42:10,795 --> 00:42:13,129
a quest for answers.
935
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:16,198
Did Don Lewis make a business
deal that went south?
936
00:42:16,268 --> 00:42:18,067
Did he disappear
to Costa Rica like
937
00:42:18,136 --> 00:42:20,537
some folks think?
Could Don have cooked up
938
00:42:20,672 --> 00:42:23,439
this whole crazy thing
on his own?
939
00:42:23,475 --> 00:42:25,608
Or was it murder?
940
00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:27,321
Rathmann: I'm on a mission
to get to the bottom of
941
00:42:27,345 --> 00:42:28,477
what the truth is.
942
00:42:28,547 --> 00:42:30,346
To be able to solve
this Don Lewis case,
943
00:42:30,415 --> 00:42:33,082
find out who was involved
and what really happened.
944
00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:37,553
##
945
00:42:37,622 --> 00:42:43,893
##
946
00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:45,540
Narrator: According to
sheriff chronister,
947
00:42:45,564 --> 00:42:48,431
experts have determined that
Don Lewis's will and power of
948
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:50,099
attorney are forgeries.
949
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:53,636
All of a sudden, a 23-year-old
950
00:42:53,771 --> 00:42:57,151
missing persons cold case is
on the front burner.
951
00:42:57,175 --> 00:43:00,242
Don's wife, Carole,
always claimed she believed
952
00:43:00,312 --> 00:43:03,646
he flew off in his plane,
never to be seen again.
953
00:43:03,781 --> 00:43:06,315
Man: Lewis was last seen
nine days ago here
954
00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:08,717
at pasco's pilot
country estates,
955
00:43:08,753 --> 00:43:11,187
shopping for ultralight
and experimental planes,
956
00:43:11,256 --> 00:43:13,856
apparently for export
to Central America.
957
00:43:16,127 --> 00:43:17,705
Rathmann: Don Lewis was
a multi-millionaire
958
00:43:17,729 --> 00:43:19,173
from tampa, Florida.
959
00:43:19,197 --> 00:43:21,976
He made his wealth in
the real estate, kind of
960
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,401
flipping homes, buying up
mortgages, things like that.
961
00:43:25,437 --> 00:43:28,471
But he also had a passion
for exotic animals,
962
00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:29,806
and so he had a sanctuary
963
00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:31,674
he called
wildlife on easy street.
964
00:43:31,809 --> 00:43:36,212
He had over... well over 100
cats, lions, tigers, leopards.
965
00:43:36,347 --> 00:43:37,814
I would call him
a modern-day hippie.
966
00:43:37,949 --> 00:43:39,615
I never saw him get mad.
967
00:43:39,684 --> 00:43:41,217
I never saw him raise his voice.
968
00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:44,621
Had a head for business
and a deal.
969
00:43:44,756 --> 00:43:49,091
Narrator: In January 1981, Don's
living with his wife, Gladys,
970
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,472
their three daughters and a son.
971
00:43:51,496 --> 00:43:53,629
When he meets Carole,
972
00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:56,944
she's in a bad place in life,
running away from her husband,
973
00:43:56,968 --> 00:44:00,470
Michael murdock, the father of
her daughter, Jamie.
974
00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:05,374
Something clicks between Don and
Carole and keeps on clicking.
975
00:44:05,443 --> 00:44:07,710
They carry on
a 10-year affair until
976
00:44:07,746 --> 00:44:12,560
Don divorces Gladys,
and they get married in 1991.
977
00:44:12,584 --> 00:44:15,229
They seemed happy
despite their age difference.
978
00:44:15,253 --> 00:44:18,520
They did real estate deals
and started collecting bobcats.
979
00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:22,303
Eventually, they turned
wildlife on easy street into
980
00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:25,261
a business that breeds
and sells exotic animals.
981
00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:27,241
We've got four kitties
we're gonna feed.
982
00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:29,110
[ Cat mewling ]
983
00:44:29,134 --> 00:44:31,200
They're quite anxious,
as you can hear.
984
00:44:31,236 --> 00:44:33,514
Rathmann: Don cared
greatly for his cats.
985
00:44:33,538 --> 00:44:35,116
That was his passion.
He loved it.
986
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:36,739
And he also liked
to go to Costa Rica.
987
00:44:38,943 --> 00:44:41,389
Fritz: Costa Rica used to have
quite a vibrant trade
988
00:44:41,413 --> 00:44:45,214
in exotic animals with very,
very little regulation,
989
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:47,717
where here, we have tremendous
regulation of it.
990
00:44:49,521 --> 00:44:52,488
And then, in 1997,
he just disappeared.
991
00:44:52,557 --> 00:44:59,674
##
992
00:44:59,698 --> 00:45:02,565
Man: In recent months,
Lewis's wife says
993
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,012
he'd begun to show signs of
early Alzheimer's.
994
00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:06,835
He'd even accidentally,
she says,
995
00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:10,906
leave cages open, and some of
his beloved cats had escaped.
996
00:45:10,975 --> 00:45:15,111
I'm very worried, but I don't
feel that separation.
997
00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:18,759
It's feeling that that helps me
to hang on and think
998
00:45:18,783 --> 00:45:20,315
that he is okay,
that he will just
999
00:45:20,351 --> 00:45:21,984
walk back in the gate.
1000
00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:24,899
Narrator: Three weeks
after Don goes missing
1001
00:45:24,923 --> 00:45:28,591
on August 18, 1997,
Carole shows up in court
1002
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:31,527
with power of attorney form
that the sheriff now claims is
1003
00:45:31,662 --> 00:45:34,464
forged, giving her control
of Don's fortune.
1004
00:45:36,501 --> 00:45:39,335
A power of attorney dies
with the person.
1005
00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:41,804
You cannot
administer their estate
1006
00:45:41,939 --> 00:45:43,906
past their death
with the power of attorney.
1007
00:45:45,944 --> 00:45:48,177
The question becomes, why do you
1008
00:45:48,213 --> 00:45:49,846
have a power of attorney
and a will?
1009
00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:56,385
Power of attorney if you don't
find the body, will if you do.
1010
00:45:56,421 --> 00:45:57,820
Narrator:
In her video diaries,
1011
00:45:57,856 --> 00:46:00,356
Carole explains why Don
wanted her to draft
1012
00:46:00,491 --> 00:46:01,824
a new power of attorney.
1013
00:46:01,959 --> 00:46:05,027
He said he wants to make sure
I am always taken care of,
1014
00:46:05,063 --> 00:46:08,430
and he even had me draft
a will and a power of attorney.
1015
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:11,612
He had me change the will
a few times because he seemed
1016
00:46:11,636 --> 00:46:16,238
to just delight in making sure
that none of his greedy kids,
1017
00:46:16,274 --> 00:46:18,774
as he said, were in it.
1018
00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:21,121
Narrator: Carole now rules
over an estate
1019
00:46:21,145 --> 00:46:22,912
worth around $7 million.
1020
00:46:24,649 --> 00:46:27,049
Rathmann: And we now know
that before Don disappeared,
1021
00:46:27,085 --> 00:46:28,116
he was living in fear.
1022
00:46:28,153 --> 00:46:35,236
##
1023
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:40,574
June 12th of 1997, Don Lewis
actually went and filed
1024
00:46:40,598 --> 00:46:42,931
the restraining order
against Carole Lewis,
1025
00:46:42,967 --> 00:46:45,601
known today as Carole Baskin.
1026
00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:49,071
She had access to a pistol.
1027
00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:51,240
He felt that his life was
in jeopardy.
1028
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:53,809
So the statement reads,
1029
00:46:53,878 --> 00:46:55,790
"this is the second time
Carole has
1030
00:46:55,814 --> 00:46:57,880
"got angry enough
to threaten to kill me.
1031
00:46:57,916 --> 00:47:01,216
"Me and Carole got in
a big fuss, and she ordered me
1032
00:47:01,252 --> 00:47:03,152
"out of the house
or she would kill me,
1033
00:47:03,221 --> 00:47:06,289
"and if I came back,
she would kill me.
1034
00:47:06,424 --> 00:47:11,194
She has a revolver, and she took
my .357 and hid it."
1035
00:47:12,764 --> 00:47:14,808
It's an important piece of
evidence because it actually
1036
00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:16,566
shows that there were some
1037
00:47:16,701 --> 00:47:19,769
issues within this marriage
and that the marriage,
1038
00:47:19,904 --> 00:47:22,038
it was also getting violent.
1039
00:47:22,173 --> 00:47:24,485
He tried to get a protective
order, he couldn't get it.
1040
00:47:24,509 --> 00:47:26,242
It got turned down for
whatever reasons
1041
00:47:26,311 --> 00:47:28,977
it got turned down...
Then he told her
1042
00:47:29,013 --> 00:47:31,147
he was gonna divorce her,
and she freaked out.
1043
00:47:33,451 --> 00:47:35,117
What I'm upset about
is that he didn't
1044
00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:36,764
come talk to me
before he did it.
1045
00:47:36,788 --> 00:47:40,656
I see every day people
that file an injunction
1046
00:47:40,725 --> 00:47:43,726
that's not granted where
it could have been granted
1047
00:47:43,795 --> 00:47:47,396
had an attorney
set the stage properly.
1048
00:47:47,432 --> 00:47:49,632
Rathmann: Now, according to
everybody that I spoke with,
1049
00:47:49,667 --> 00:47:52,379
Don was not too fond
of taking anything
1050
00:47:52,403 --> 00:47:55,070
to the sheriff's department
or law enforcement, period,
1051
00:47:55,173 --> 00:47:57,139
so the fact that he went
in to do that
1052
00:47:57,275 --> 00:47:59,987
for a restraining order
is quite suspicious,
1053
00:48:00,011 --> 00:48:04,346
that he felt like his life
was gonna be in danger.
1054
00:48:04,382 --> 00:48:07,149
How many protective orders do
you see filed by a man against
1055
00:48:07,185 --> 00:48:09,597
the wife? I've never seen one
in 30 years as a lawyer.
1056
00:48:09,621 --> 00:48:10,621
And then he disappears.
1057
00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:16,092
Rathmann:
August 20th of 1997,
1058
00:48:16,227 --> 00:48:19,340
Don Lewis's Van was found at
the pilot country airport,
1059
00:48:19,364 --> 00:48:21,564
which is in north of tampa.
1060
00:48:21,699 --> 00:48:24,500
So this Van was found about
a day after Don Lewis
1061
00:48:24,635 --> 00:48:26,013
was reported missing.
1062
00:48:26,037 --> 00:48:28,549
A lot of the theories that
were circulating with the Van
1063
00:48:28,573 --> 00:48:30,773
being left at the airport is
that Don went ahead and got
1064
00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:33,375
in a private plane
and flew to Costa Rica.
1065
00:48:33,444 --> 00:48:37,045
Perhaps he crashed his
airplane in the Gulf of Mexico.
1066
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:39,448
Narrator:
When they find Don's Van,
1067
00:48:39,583 --> 00:48:42,563
the sheriff's office wants
to search Carole's property,
1068
00:48:42,587 --> 00:48:44,253
but she says no.
1069
00:48:44,388 --> 00:48:46,756
She also declines
to take a polygraph.
1070
00:48:48,459 --> 00:48:51,772
Refusing to take a polygraph
means that Carole had
1071
00:48:51,796 --> 00:48:52,929
a pretty good lawyer.
1072
00:48:53,064 --> 00:48:55,865
Because there's no benefit
for her to take a polygraph,
1073
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,336
while it's not indicative of
guilt or innocence,
1074
00:49:00,405 --> 00:49:03,939
it's a method that
a truly trained person can
1075
00:49:04,008 --> 00:49:06,742
tell you if they're lying...
Most of the times,
1076
00:49:06,811 --> 00:49:08,210
it's not in their best interest.
1077
00:49:11,482 --> 00:49:12,960
Rathmann:
I'm on my way to meet one of
1078
00:49:12,984 --> 00:49:15,117
the last people to see
Don Lewis alive.
1079
00:49:17,889 --> 00:49:20,067
Dale lively
was the mechanic that
1080
00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,290
worked many years
with Don Lewis.
1081
00:49:22,327 --> 00:49:26,028
It was just his go-to person
to fix all of his vehicles.
1082
00:49:26,064 --> 00:49:28,430
He worked on Don's Van
just a few days before
1083
00:49:28,466 --> 00:49:30,433
Don disappeared.
1084
00:49:30,568 --> 00:49:32,746
I'm sure he has some
information to share with US.
1085
00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:40,770
##
1086
00:49:42,046 --> 00:49:43,691
Dale.
1087
00:49:43,715 --> 00:49:45,092
- Hey, Jim, how you doin'?
- How are you?
1088
00:49:45,116 --> 00:49:46,426
If you wouldn't mind,
like, tell me when
1089
00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:48,450
he had that Van in here for
about when...
1090
00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:49,785
And when abouts was that?
1091
00:49:49,821 --> 00:49:53,188
The last time I worked on it was
a week before he disappeared.
1092
00:49:53,257 --> 00:49:55,302
I had it in here
for two or three days
1093
00:49:55,326 --> 00:49:57,526
doing some air conditioning
work on the dash.
1094
00:49:57,661 --> 00:50:00,729
And so I had all the dash and
everything out of it and got it
1095
00:50:00,765 --> 00:50:02,042
all fixed.
- Rathmann: And then...
1096
00:50:02,066 --> 00:50:03,310
Called Don,
1097
00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:05,813
and he came out here that day,
and he spent about an hour here.
1098
00:50:05,837 --> 00:50:08,382
-Okay.
He was talking about Costa Rica.
1099
00:50:08,406 --> 00:50:10,606
He told me that he was
gettin' ready and he was
1100
00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:12,252
gonna move his cats down there.
1101
00:50:12,276 --> 00:50:14,254
-All the cats from the wildlife
-right.
1102
00:50:14,278 --> 00:50:15,655
On easy street?
- Right, that's what
1103
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:16,611
he wanted to do.
1104
00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:17,858
Did you think maybe
he was getting ready
1105
00:50:17,882 --> 00:50:20,127
to transition his life into
a different role than...?
1106
00:50:20,151 --> 00:50:21,996
I think so,
1107
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:24,286
but Don liked to be
around his kids,
1108
00:50:24,355 --> 00:50:27,222
and then he got into
a discussion talkin'
1109
00:50:27,291 --> 00:50:28,157
about Carole.
1110
00:50:28,226 --> 00:50:29,692
Can you tell me about that?
1111
00:50:29,827 --> 00:50:31,760
I didn't know there was
problems going on,
1112
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:33,207
but he was afraid of her,
1113
00:50:33,231 --> 00:50:36,231
and he had tried to get
a restraining order out on her,
1114
00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:39,346
and he was afraid
she was gonna kill him,
1115
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:41,837
and that he just
had to get away from her.
1116
00:50:41,873 --> 00:50:44,418
You know, you don't really
think a whole lot
1117
00:50:44,442 --> 00:50:46,776
about it when somebody
tells you that,
1118
00:50:46,911 --> 00:50:49,845
but then when the situation
came up like it did,
1119
00:50:49,881 --> 00:50:51,358
it kind of makes you think.
1120
00:50:51,382 --> 00:50:53,115
And then he tried
his best to get me
1121
00:50:53,184 --> 00:50:55,918
to go to Costa Rica
with him that weekend.
1122
00:50:55,987 --> 00:50:57,765
- Did he?
- He said, "you'll love it.
1123
00:50:57,789 --> 00:50:59,855
The people are nice.
It's beautiful."
1124
00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:01,390
But I wasn't able to go.
1125
00:51:01,459 --> 00:51:02,703
What about his mental state?
1126
00:51:02,727 --> 00:51:04,238
What do you... because I know
there's been a lot
1127
00:51:04,262 --> 00:51:06,006
of talk about that.
- Don was... yeah. I mean,
1128
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:07,196
I've heard the stories that
1129
00:51:07,331 --> 00:51:11,200
Carole said that he was...
Had dementia and Alzheimer's.
1130
00:51:11,335 --> 00:51:13,535
I never saw
a single thing about that.
1131
00:51:13,604 --> 00:51:15,671
Don was just as sharp
as he ever was.
1132
00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:18,073
Narrator: Don Lewis was
much older than Carole,
1133
00:51:18,142 --> 00:51:20,942
but still fairly young to be
suffering from dementia.
1134
00:51:20,978 --> 00:51:25,480
Were there early warning signs
that only Carole could see?
1135
00:51:25,516 --> 00:51:27,883
So being that you knew him
all those years,
1136
00:51:27,919 --> 00:51:30,330
you never saw a change.
- I saw no change whatsoever.
1137
00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:32,621
So let's talk a little bit
about the Van.
1138
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:34,089
He was getting
ready to drive that,
1139
00:51:34,158 --> 00:51:35,223
and it was Don that drove
1140
00:51:35,259 --> 00:51:36,970
that Van off, right?
- Right, Don drove it off.
1141
00:51:36,994 --> 00:51:38,474
Rathmann:
And when they found his Van,
1142
00:51:38,562 --> 00:51:40,830
the Van was released back
to Carole.
1143
00:51:40,965 --> 00:51:42,831
- To Carole, yeah.
- And Carole drove it back
1144
00:51:42,867 --> 00:51:45,501
to the sanctuary,
and it was processed
1145
00:51:45,636 --> 00:51:47,948
a few days later.
Sheriff's office comes out,
1146
00:51:47,972 --> 00:51:49,371
they find a fingerprint.
- Mm-hmm.
1147
00:51:49,507 --> 00:51:52,440
Whose fingerprint did they find?
- Mine.
1148
00:51:52,477 --> 00:51:53,554
Where did they find it?
1149
00:51:53,578 --> 00:51:55,155
Lively: It was on
the center part of the dash
1150
00:51:55,179 --> 00:51:56,578
where I was working, yeah.
1151
00:51:56,614 --> 00:51:59,560
So that was the only
print that they found?
1152
00:51:59,584 --> 00:52:01,316
Yeah, but they didn't find any
1153
00:52:01,385 --> 00:52:03,297
on the steering wheel
or anywhere else.
1154
00:52:03,321 --> 00:52:05,299
The door handles.
Carole drove it back.
1155
00:52:05,323 --> 00:52:07,589
Why weren't her prints on it?
1156
00:52:07,658 --> 00:52:09,525
- Agreed.
- Her prints should have been
1157
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:11,393
all over the steering wheel
and...
1158
00:52:11,429 --> 00:52:12,460
And so should Don's.
1159
00:52:12,497 --> 00:52:14,462
Yeah, Don should have, too,
if he drove it.
1160
00:52:14,499 --> 00:52:16,465
Rathmann: Exactly... what did
that signify to you?
1161
00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:19,135
Someone had to have wiped
the Van down.
1162
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:21,803
They should have found my
fingerprints on the doors,
1163
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:24,273
on the steering wheel,
both doors,
1164
00:52:24,342 --> 00:52:26,208
because I was all over the Van.
1165
00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:28,143
If Carole drove it
back from the airport,
1166
00:52:28,212 --> 00:52:30,612
why weren't her
prints in the Van?
1167
00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:33,348
Unless she the wore gloves
or wiped it down?
1168
00:52:33,417 --> 00:52:35,684
Two detectives
were here to talk to you,
1169
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:38,132
essentially as a person
of interest.
1170
00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:41,356
I was able to explain
why my prints were in there.
1171
00:52:41,425 --> 00:52:43,825
I had the dash all apart...
That you should have
1172
00:52:43,861 --> 00:52:46,240
found it all over the thing.
- And what did they say to that?
1173
00:52:46,264 --> 00:52:49,965
Not a word... they spent about
10, 15 minutes, and they left.
1174
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,366
I never heard from 'em again.
1175
00:52:51,435 --> 00:52:53,080
It's like check the block,
we talked to him.
1176
00:52:53,104 --> 00:52:55,036
- Exactly.
- What do you think
1177
00:52:55,072 --> 00:52:56,216
happened to your friend, Don?
1178
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,908
I think Don is still
here in Florida somewhere,
1179
00:52:59,977 --> 00:53:01,877
but they just
haven't found him yet.
1180
00:53:07,585 --> 00:53:09,897
Narrator: Carole seemed to
support the idea that Don
1181
00:53:09,921 --> 00:53:12,966
had flown off in a plane
and possibly crashed.
1182
00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:14,835
Baskin:
He's really a very good pilot,
1183
00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,638
despite his licensing problems.
1184
00:53:17,662 --> 00:53:20,440
Man: Former airline pilot
Wayne pimm
1185
00:53:20,464 --> 00:53:22,131
was Lewis's flight instructor.
1186
00:53:22,266 --> 00:53:25,534
Pimm's logbooks show Lewis
never got his license.
1187
00:53:25,603 --> 00:53:29,671
Wayne pimm taught Don Lewis
about flying, or at least
1188
00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:32,007
attempted to teach him
about flying.
1189
00:53:32,043 --> 00:53:34,142
Wayne reached out to me
a little while back.
1190
00:53:34,178 --> 00:53:35,789
He told me that he had some
1191
00:53:35,813 --> 00:53:39,348
information about Don that
other people don't have,
1192
00:53:39,483 --> 00:53:42,084
and hopefully we can get
some new leads along with
1193
00:53:42,153 --> 00:53:43,852
proving and disproving some of
the theories
1194
00:53:43,888 --> 00:53:44,954
that are out there.
1195
00:53:48,826 --> 00:53:51,271
About what year was it
when you first met Don?
1196
00:53:51,295 --> 00:53:54,096
1985.
I started teaching him.
1197
00:53:54,165 --> 00:53:57,032
He, around that time,
started buying
1198
00:53:57,101 --> 00:53:58,567
and selling a lot of airplanes.
1199
00:53:58,702 --> 00:54:00,035
Every time I turned around,
1200
00:54:00,071 --> 00:54:03,016
he was showing me another
airplane he had just bought.
1201
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,285
Rathmann: What kind of plan
did Don Lewis fly?
1202
00:54:05,309 --> 00:54:07,576
Mostly light aircraft...
This is similar to one of
1203
00:54:07,645 --> 00:54:09,378
the aircraft he might have
been flying in.
1204
00:54:09,513 --> 00:54:13,181
Single engine, back seat,
fairly cramped.
1205
00:54:13,251 --> 00:54:15,317
About how many miles can you
actually go on
1206
00:54:15,386 --> 00:54:16,496
a full tank of gas?
1207
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,520
- 500 miles.
- But you most certainly couldn't
1208
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:20,856
go all the way to Costa Rica.
1209
00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:22,191
Nonstop, no way.
1210
00:54:22,326 --> 00:54:24,994
So essentially, the theory of
him taking off from the pilot
1211
00:54:25,129 --> 00:54:26,928
country airport
where his Van was found
1212
00:54:26,998 --> 00:54:29,531
and flying that to Costa Rica
wouldn't be a likely
1213
00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:31,111
scenario without him
landing somewhere.
1214
00:54:31,135 --> 00:54:33,869
I highly doubt that scenario.
1215
00:54:33,938 --> 00:54:35,470
Narrator:
Even when Don did fly,
1216
00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:37,939
he had a little trouble
staying airborne.
1217
00:54:37,975 --> 00:54:40,742
Do you recall him having
a plane crash?
1218
00:54:40,778 --> 00:54:43,646
The biggest one I know
about was the one in cedar key.
1219
00:54:48,552 --> 00:54:52,087
He was having some problems
with the engine and apparently
1220
00:54:52,222 --> 00:54:54,001
tried to land at cedar key
1221
00:54:54,025 --> 00:54:58,272
and came up short and ended up
in shallow water
1222
00:54:58,296 --> 00:55:00,896
a few miles off of cedar key.
1223
00:55:01,031 --> 00:55:02,591
And was that the only crash
he ever had?
1224
00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:04,900
Yeah, I know of another one
up in the panhandle.
1225
00:55:09,073 --> 00:55:10,905
Got caught in some bad weather.
1226
00:55:10,941 --> 00:55:12,819
In making the approach
to the field,
1227
00:55:12,843 --> 00:55:15,711
he didn't see
some power lines that ran
1228
00:55:15,846 --> 00:55:19,514
across his approach path
and hit the power lines.
1229
00:55:19,583 --> 00:55:22,829
That second crash was
considerably more serious,
1230
00:55:22,853 --> 00:55:26,521
and he was very lucky
to have survived.
1231
00:55:26,557 --> 00:55:27,723
- Oh, wow.
- Yeah.
1232
00:55:27,858 --> 00:55:29,658
I've also heard
about the third crash.
1233
00:55:29,727 --> 00:55:32,172
From what I understand,
that was in the early '90s.
1234
00:55:32,196 --> 00:55:34,930
After that third crash,
he was done flying,
1235
00:55:35,065 --> 00:55:37,266
and he had no intention
to fly anymore.
1236
00:55:38,536 --> 00:55:40,802
Narrator: Don never did
get a pilot's license.
1237
00:55:40,838 --> 00:55:44,206
Multiple sources say
he gave up piloting and had
1238
00:55:44,275 --> 00:55:46,720
not personally flown
an aircraft for years before
1239
00:55:46,744 --> 00:55:47,921
he disappeared.
1240
00:55:47,945 --> 00:55:50,279
How did you hear of
Don disappearing?
1241
00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:52,726
- News report.
- What was your initial thought?
1242
00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:55,083
I didn't have knowledge
that... at that time,
1243
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:56,485
that he had quit flying.
1244
00:55:56,554 --> 00:56:00,867
So my logical conclusion was
that he went to the airport,
1245
00:56:00,891 --> 00:56:03,091
took off, and possibly crashed.
1246
00:56:03,127 --> 00:56:04,171
What do you think
happened to Don?
1247
00:56:04,195 --> 00:56:06,628
I think there was foul
play, yeah. I do.
1248
00:56:06,697 --> 00:56:08,497
You think an airplane's
even involved at all?
1249
00:56:08,566 --> 00:56:10,165
I don't think an airplane
was involved.
1250
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,769
I think it was a convenient
ruse to...
1251
00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:17,284
Like, to make like I did
and police did.
1252
00:56:17,308 --> 00:56:19,641
They automatically thought,
well, he took off and crashed.
1253
00:56:19,777 --> 00:56:21,910
Rathmann: August 20, 1997,
1254
00:56:22,045 --> 00:56:23,290
about 4:30 in the morning.
1255
00:56:23,314 --> 00:56:25,514
Don Lewis's Van is found at
the pilot country airport.
1256
00:56:25,649 --> 00:56:26,860
What can you tell me about that?
1257
00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:28,895
The gentleman that reported
the Van,
1258
00:56:28,919 --> 00:56:30,786
his name was Dewey gallops.
1259
00:56:30,855 --> 00:56:34,322
He was the person that ran
pilot country estates.
1260
00:56:34,358 --> 00:56:37,926
And then I recently learned
that Dewey and Don had some
1261
00:56:37,962 --> 00:56:40,774
sort of a falling out
about some airplanes
1262
00:56:40,798 --> 00:56:43,698
that were on consignment
at Dewey's airport,
1263
00:56:43,734 --> 00:56:47,403
and that some airplanes
or an airplane was sold at
1264
00:56:47,538 --> 00:56:50,472
a considerable loss,
and Don was upset about it.
1265
00:56:50,607 --> 00:56:53,608
And because of that, he pulled
what airplanes he had from
1266
00:56:53,677 --> 00:56:57,479
the airport and vowed to never
return to that airport again.
1267
00:56:57,548 --> 00:56:59,681
Based on other people
that knew Don,
1268
00:56:59,717 --> 00:57:02,929
they said absolutely no way
he would have set foot on
1269
00:57:02,953 --> 00:57:04,798
that airport.
1270
00:57:04,822 --> 00:57:06,400
Rathmann:
If Don Lewis had a falling out
1271
00:57:06,424 --> 00:57:09,425
with somebody at that airport,
a couple $100,000 were lost,
1272
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,494
and that wasn't the airport
he typically went to,
1273
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:15,030
then why was his Van there?
1274
00:57:15,165 --> 00:57:17,744
Seems to me like somebody's
just trying to set the stage to
1275
00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:20,280
distract from the real
investigation or where
1276
00:57:20,304 --> 00:57:21,544
they really need to be looking.
1277
00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:29,911
Right now, we are headed
to go see Mr. Joe Fritz.
1278
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:34,383
Used to be one of
Don Lewis's attorneys.
1279
00:57:34,518 --> 00:57:37,385
He actually has claimed to have
1280
00:57:37,455 --> 00:57:40,121
heard what happened
to Don Lewis.
1281
00:57:40,157 --> 00:57:46,328
##
1282
00:57:46,397 --> 00:57:50,310
##
1283
00:57:50,334 --> 00:57:51,244
How do you know Don Lewis?
1284
00:57:51,268 --> 00:57:53,001
How long have you guys
known each other?
1285
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,737
Before he went missing?
1286
00:57:55,773 --> 00:57:58,139
Probably 8, 10 years.
1287
00:57:58,175 --> 00:58:00,275
So clearly, you guys built
a friendship over that
1288
00:58:00,410 --> 00:58:02,189
ten years.
- Oh, hell yeah.
1289
00:58:02,213 --> 00:58:05,747
I have pictures of my son
and I out at his place
1290
00:58:05,783 --> 00:58:08,750
and my son
covered up in bobcats.
1291
00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:12,354
When was the last time you
recall seeing Don Lewis alive?
1292
00:58:12,423 --> 00:58:15,023
It would've been within 10 days
of his disappearance.
1293
00:58:15,092 --> 00:58:17,759
Did you know that he was
having issues with Carole?
1294
00:58:17,895 --> 00:58:21,229
The only thing I remember
was I was in that era
1295
00:58:21,265 --> 00:58:23,965
asked who would I recommend
as a divorce attorney?
1296
00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:26,034
So he asked you
for a recommendation?
1297
00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:27,569
No, he did not.
Anne McQueen did.
1298
00:58:27,638 --> 00:58:29,170
Anne McQueen did. Okay.
1299
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,239
What do you think
happened to your friend Don?
1300
00:58:31,275 --> 00:58:33,107
I had heard that he got
strangled with
1301
00:58:33,143 --> 00:58:35,277
an electric cord from the back
seat of this airplane
1302
00:58:36,847 --> 00:58:39,181
with somebody else flying and
got dumped out over the Gulf.
1303
00:58:45,422 --> 00:58:48,456
Narrator: Don Lewis's lawyer
just dropped a bombshell.
1304
00:58:48,492 --> 00:58:51,259
He claims Don didn't fly off
into the sunset.
1305
00:58:51,295 --> 00:58:53,194
He heard that Don was
strangled with
1306
00:58:53,264 --> 00:58:56,264
an electric cord and dumped
into the Gulf of Mexico.
1307
00:58:56,333 --> 00:58:58,600
First of all, I heard it
from two different sources.
1308
00:58:58,636 --> 00:59:03,005
It kind of fits the scenario
because he was a pilot.
1309
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:06,119
He'd owned planes.
Um, he'd had a license.
1310
00:59:06,143 --> 00:59:07,275
He lost his license.
1311
00:59:07,311 --> 00:59:10,211
His Van is at
country pilot estates.
1312
00:59:10,247 --> 00:59:12,480
It's an unmanned airport.
1313
00:59:12,516 --> 00:59:14,950
Nobody logs you in,
nobody logs you out.
1314
00:59:15,019 --> 00:59:18,487
It's not unusual for somebody
to take off in a plane.
1315
00:59:18,622 --> 00:59:21,289
So it all fits together.
1316
00:59:21,325 --> 00:59:25,360
He got lured up there to do
a great deal on an airplane.
1317
00:59:25,429 --> 00:59:27,362
He showed up.
1318
00:59:27,431 --> 00:59:30,565
Our sheriff chronister says
more than one person's involved.
1319
00:59:30,634 --> 00:59:32,500
Yes, he's right.
1320
00:59:32,536 --> 00:59:35,704
No question in my mind
that this was a murder.
1321
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,240
The question is, is who did it
and who was behind it?
1322
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:42,956
Rathmann: Is it even possible to
throw somebody out in flight?
1323
00:59:42,980 --> 00:59:44,691
If you had to open that door,
1324
00:59:44,715 --> 00:59:48,650
going against 120, 140 knots
and trying to force that door
1325
00:59:48,785 --> 00:59:51,320
open and push out a person that
you would say,
1326
00:59:51,455 --> 00:59:53,454
at least weighed 150,
160 pounds,
1327
00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:54,970
that would have been
very challenging.
1328
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,193
Narrator: A lot of Don Lewis's
friends support the idea
1329
00:59:59,229 --> 01:00:02,175
that Don and Carole's marriage
was coming to an end.
1330
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:04,399
So Jim digs in
with tricia Griffith,
1331
01:00:04,534 --> 01:00:08,670
who has recently unearthed
an odd letter that Carole wrote
1332
01:00:08,805 --> 01:00:11,506
to Don's ex-wife in 1990.
1333
01:00:12,809 --> 01:00:16,077
I am good... my eyes are kind of
rolling back in my head like
1334
01:00:16,146 --> 01:00:18,191
a slot machine because I've been
1335
01:00:18,215 --> 01:00:22,950
trying to grasp this letter
that Carole Baskin
1336
01:00:22,987 --> 01:00:28,156
wrote to Don Lewis's wife
in 1990.
1337
01:00:28,192 --> 01:00:29,592
Rathmann:
I just started reading it.
1338
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:32,160
I got some into it, and i'm
trying to make sense of this.
1339
01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:33,362
I mean, who writes
1340
01:00:33,497 --> 01:00:38,078
an 11-page, single-spaced
letter to the wife of
1341
01:00:38,102 --> 01:00:40,101
the man that you've been
having an affair with
1342
01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:43,016
for years?
- So what I found interesting is
1343
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,353
that on page four,
it says, "perhaps"
1344
01:00:46,377 --> 01:00:48,888
"I asked for too much,
but I had to get out of
1345
01:00:48,912 --> 01:00:50,579
"my marriage
and would have eventually
1346
01:00:50,714 --> 01:00:52,447
killed my husband to do it."
1347
01:00:52,483 --> 01:00:56,384
So she's literally talking
about her ex-husband,
1348
01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:57,831
Michael murdock,
1349
01:00:57,855 --> 01:01:02,858
in August 20th of 1990,
talking about she would kill him
1350
01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:04,659
to get out of
the marriage, tricia.
1351
01:01:04,728 --> 01:01:08,663
This is August 20th of 1990.
1352
01:01:08,732 --> 01:01:12,646
Just seven years later,
Don Lewis mysteriously goes...
1353
01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:15,582
Disappears, and she's talking
about she would have killed
1354
01:01:15,606 --> 01:01:18,385
her husband to get
out of the marriage.
1355
01:01:18,409 --> 01:01:21,743
You know, tricia, in one of
her video diaries,
1356
01:01:21,812 --> 01:01:23,611
she actually validates
this letter.
1357
01:01:23,681 --> 01:01:26,660
If I had been choking to death
and the only way out was to
1358
01:01:26,684 --> 01:01:29,817
grab a pair of scissors
and stab him in the eye,
1359
01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:33,733
that might have resulted in
his death... I was not implying
1360
01:01:33,757 --> 01:01:35,289
cold-blooded murder.
1361
01:01:35,325 --> 01:01:38,138
You've got to go back
and find somebody that
1362
01:01:38,162 --> 01:01:40,762
knew her to figure out
her frame of mind.
1363
01:01:40,897 --> 01:01:43,298
Rathmann: I agree with you,
and I'm definitely gonna see
1364
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,133
what I can do about finding
someone back in
1365
01:01:45,169 --> 01:01:48,236
that time that would have
known her to really be able to
1366
01:01:48,371 --> 01:01:52,106
speak to her behavior,
her mannerisms,
1367
01:01:52,142 --> 01:01:54,287
her thought process.
1368
01:01:54,311 --> 01:01:56,578
Narrator: Carole may have been
itchin' to get
1369
01:01:56,647 --> 01:01:59,092
out of her abusive marriage
with Michael murdock.
1370
01:01:59,116 --> 01:02:02,383
So is her letter to Gladys
reflective of her mindset,
1371
01:02:02,419 --> 01:02:04,820
or was it a symbol of
her frustration?
1372
01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:11,771
Rathmann: I need to talk to
someone who knew Carole in
1373
01:02:11,795 --> 01:02:14,796
the 1990s to try to
understand what she was like
1374
01:02:14,931 --> 01:02:15,931
on an emotional level.
1375
01:02:17,267 --> 01:02:19,934
Todd schreier is the son
of Alan schreier.
1376
01:02:20,003 --> 01:02:23,872
Alan actually
dated Carole Lewis about
1377
01:02:24,007 --> 01:02:25,940
two years after Don Lewis
went missing.
1378
01:02:26,043 --> 01:02:29,343
Todd ended up moving in
with Carole Lewis
1379
01:02:29,379 --> 01:02:32,058
and his father, Alan.
1380
01:02:32,082 --> 01:02:34,949
So when you moved in, what was
that experience like for you?
1381
01:02:34,985 --> 01:02:37,931
I was
a sophomore in high school.
1382
01:02:37,955 --> 01:02:41,267
Like, my dad is pretty
laid back and easygoing,
1383
01:02:41,291 --> 01:02:45,138
and he's very emotional,
very loving.
1384
01:02:45,162 --> 01:02:48,296
Carole is not.
She's cold.
1385
01:02:48,332 --> 01:02:54,035
She's distant. She very much
blatantly doesn't like people.
1386
01:02:54,071 --> 01:02:55,103
Rathmann: This seems odd.
1387
01:02:55,238 --> 01:02:56,883
There's more love for
the animals than there are
1388
01:02:56,907 --> 01:02:59,641
for the human beings that are
surrounding in her life.
1389
01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,509
The rules were ridiculous.
What do you mean,
1390
01:03:01,545 --> 01:03:04,245
I'm not allowed on a side
of the whole house?
1391
01:03:04,314 --> 01:03:06,993
So you really weren't allowed
to go to certain sections of
1392
01:03:07,017 --> 01:03:08,161
the house...
You had to pretty much
1393
01:03:08,185 --> 01:03:11,319
stay in your living quarter
area and to stay there
1394
01:03:11,388 --> 01:03:12,654
the whole time?
- Yeah.
1395
01:03:12,723 --> 01:03:14,234
And you weren't
allowed to have friends over.
1396
01:03:14,258 --> 01:03:16,057
You weren't allowed to...
- No.
1397
01:03:16,093 --> 01:03:18,193
- So...
- Carole was very, very private.
1398
01:03:18,328 --> 01:03:19,527
She didn't want me there.
1399
01:03:19,563 --> 01:03:21,662
She was the reason
I had to move out.
1400
01:03:21,698 --> 01:03:24,466
I had to live with my grandma
the rest of high school.
1401
01:03:24,601 --> 01:03:26,513
When about is it
that you find out
1402
01:03:26,537 --> 01:03:28,937
that her husband became missing?
1403
01:03:29,006 --> 01:03:33,453
So I think my dad eased me
into it, and it was like, "hey",
1404
01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:37,323
"there's a rumor that Carole
fed Don to the tigers,
1405
01:03:37,347 --> 01:03:39,414
"and it's just... it's satire.
1406
01:03:39,549 --> 01:03:44,352
It's outrageous, but whatever
you do, don't ever bring it up."
1407
01:03:44,388 --> 01:03:46,154
You know,
I think Carole's a bitch.
1408
01:03:46,223 --> 01:03:48,401
I don't think Carole
killed her husband.
1409
01:03:48,425 --> 01:03:50,358
If you had to guess,
in your best guess,
1410
01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:52,293
what do you think would have
happened to him?
1411
01:03:52,362 --> 01:03:55,030
I think you should be spending
time in Costa Rica.
1412
01:03:55,165 --> 01:03:58,700
There was a lot of land,
and I think the end goal was
1413
01:03:58,769 --> 01:04:00,246
Costa Rica, and he had a lot of
1414
01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:02,837
affiliation in Costa Rica,
and so I think
1415
01:04:02,906 --> 01:04:04,706
there's answers in Costa Rica.
1416
01:04:04,775 --> 01:04:06,820
So your dad...
Is there any way at all
1417
01:04:06,844 --> 01:04:08,376
you could facilitate
this meeting?
1418
01:04:08,445 --> 01:04:10,645
Connect...
- I'll give him a call,
1419
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:12,292
see if I can put
you guys together.
1420
01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:14,382
I really wanted to speak
with Alan schreier
1421
01:04:14,418 --> 01:04:16,317
because he can really give me
some insight.
1422
01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:17,946
Not to mention at some
point or another,
1423
01:04:17,988 --> 01:04:20,555
he's gonna have to ask her,
"what happened to your husband?"
1424
01:04:21,592 --> 01:04:23,457
- Come on in.
- Hey, Alan, how are you?
1425
01:04:23,493 --> 01:04:25,171
- Good, how are you?
- Good. Pleasure to meet you.
1426
01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:28,329
- Likewise.
- You met Carole in 1999, right?
1427
01:04:28,398 --> 01:04:30,932
- Alan: Correct.
- How did you guys meet?
1428
01:04:30,968 --> 01:04:34,536
I was on a lot of dating apps,
and match.Com.
1429
01:04:34,671 --> 01:04:36,182
She answered it.
1430
01:04:36,206 --> 01:04:38,251
So she called me up and she
says, "if you want to see"
1431
01:04:38,275 --> 01:04:39,474
"what I look like,
1432
01:04:39,609 --> 01:04:42,544
"you can buy this week's
edition of people magazine.
1433
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:43,879
I'm the featured article."
1434
01:04:44,014 --> 01:04:45,525
So at first I thought
it was one of
1435
01:04:45,549 --> 01:04:47,193
my friends screwin' around
with me, 'cause we're
1436
01:04:47,217 --> 01:04:48,483
practical jokers.
- Right.
1437
01:04:48,552 --> 01:04:50,730
But I found
that it was the truth.
1438
01:04:50,754 --> 01:04:53,021
So we met, and we hit it off.
1439
01:04:53,090 --> 01:04:55,222
And what... you were in
the real estate world, right?
1440
01:04:55,259 --> 01:04:57,358
Yeah, I owned about
50 or 60 homes.
1441
01:04:57,394 --> 01:04:58,693
- Okay.
- I'd buy and fix them,
1442
01:04:58,828 --> 01:04:59,894
sell them or rent them.
1443
01:04:59,930 --> 01:05:03,409
Carole, she was
the smartest person I ever met.
1444
01:05:03,433 --> 01:05:05,712
You know, when you make money
and you... and you do things,
1445
01:05:05,736 --> 01:05:07,213
people try to take it from you.
- Mm-hmm.
1446
01:05:07,237 --> 01:05:08,703
A lot of people came at her with
1447
01:05:08,838 --> 01:05:11,373
some really frivolous lawsuits
and so forth.
1448
01:05:11,508 --> 01:05:15,243
She was 19 and 0 or 20 and 0 in
the court beating these people.
1449
01:05:15,378 --> 01:05:16,990
She wouldn't hire an attorney
and pay him.
1450
01:05:17,014 --> 01:05:20,314
She researched it, read it,
and did it herself.
1451
01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:22,362
I think she's ruthless
in her business.
1452
01:05:22,386 --> 01:05:25,653
If you get in her way,
she's gonna come after you.
1453
01:05:25,689 --> 01:05:27,656
About how long into
your relationship with her
1454
01:05:27,791 --> 01:05:29,791
did she talk about Don?
1455
01:05:29,926 --> 01:05:31,592
Shortly thereafter, you know,
1456
01:05:31,662 --> 01:05:33,439
everybody was asking,
everybody read that article...
1457
01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:34,707
I don't know if you ever
saw that article
1458
01:05:34,731 --> 01:05:37,432
in the people magazine...
Did she feed him to the tigers
1459
01:05:37,534 --> 01:05:39,178
and so forth and so on?
1460
01:05:39,202 --> 01:05:40,246
And you know, I asked her.
1461
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,136
I came out and asked her,
and she says no.
1462
01:05:42,205 --> 01:05:45,273
She told me he was
a very unscrupulous person.
1463
01:05:45,408 --> 01:05:48,388
He did some things that were
across the gray line
1464
01:05:48,412 --> 01:05:50,011
and so forth.
1465
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,280
She told me that at towards
the end of his life,
1466
01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:53,881
he would do dumpster diving,
1467
01:05:53,951 --> 01:05:56,095
wouldn't know where he is,
and she had to go pick him up
1468
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:57,418
in a car.
1469
01:05:57,454 --> 01:05:59,020
And the other thing is
he... he always
1470
01:05:59,155 --> 01:06:01,822
used to carry five or $10,000
around with him.
1471
01:06:01,858 --> 01:06:03,202
That's asking for trouble.
1472
01:06:03,226 --> 01:06:05,605
So basically,
she was letting you know
1473
01:06:05,629 --> 01:06:07,607
that he mentally wasn't
all there.
1474
01:06:07,631 --> 01:06:08,963
Yeah.
1475
01:06:09,032 --> 01:06:11,299
Did she ever say what
she suspected had happened?
1476
01:06:11,434 --> 01:06:13,412
She suspected that, you know,
the people that he was hanging
1477
01:06:13,436 --> 01:06:15,048
around with, maybe he owed
somebody some money
1478
01:06:15,072 --> 01:06:18,372
and did something and...
And they, uh,
1479
01:06:18,408 --> 01:06:19,774
you know, took care of him.
1480
01:06:19,843 --> 01:06:21,454
Did she ever say that
she was still concerned
1481
01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:23,445
for him since he wasn't found?
- When I met her,
1482
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:25,380
it was almost two years
since he disappeared,
1483
01:06:25,449 --> 01:06:27,226
and we were together,
like, two years
1484
01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:29,362
and three months,
something like that.
1485
01:06:29,386 --> 01:06:31,586
We split up before
the five years was up,
1486
01:06:31,721 --> 01:06:33,321
and that's when everything
hit the fan,
1487
01:06:33,456 --> 01:06:34,789
when I guess she went there
1488
01:06:34,825 --> 01:06:37,725
and declared him dead
and got... got everything.
1489
01:06:37,761 --> 01:06:40,261
Narrator: Five years
after Don goes missing,
1490
01:06:40,297 --> 01:06:42,663
Carole has Don
legally declared dead,
1491
01:06:42,699 --> 01:06:46,467
which gives her control over
the estate and all his assets.
1492
01:06:46,536 --> 01:06:50,005
Carole told me that
Don did not speak to
1493
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:52,674
his ex-wife or his kids
for several years.
1494
01:06:52,809 --> 01:06:55,009
Couldn't stand 'em,
didn't care if he ever saw 'em
1495
01:06:55,078 --> 01:06:58,013
at all, and he wanted Carole
to change a will
1496
01:06:58,148 --> 01:07:00,414
or change something,
and so they weren't gonna
1497
01:07:00,484 --> 01:07:01,682
get anything.
1498
01:07:01,752 --> 01:07:04,419
And I guess Carole did,
then all of a sudden,
1499
01:07:04,554 --> 01:07:09,557
after he, uh, missing or passed
or whatever, uh,
1500
01:07:09,626 --> 01:07:12,071
Carole... they were really
bad-mouthing Carole to the paper
1501
01:07:12,095 --> 01:07:13,628
and anybody that
would ever listen.
1502
01:07:13,763 --> 01:07:16,209
And she's, listen, I was gonna
give you 10%, but if you're
1503
01:07:16,233 --> 01:07:17,313
gonna talk to me like that,
1504
01:07:17,367 --> 01:07:19,567
I'm not giving you anything.
- Right.
1505
01:07:21,004 --> 01:07:22,448
So is there anything else
you could...
1506
01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:24,484
You could share with me
about Carole?
1507
01:07:24,508 --> 01:07:27,020
She did not care for my son
or people.
1508
01:07:27,044 --> 01:07:28,444
A lot of people
she didn't care for.
1509
01:07:28,578 --> 01:07:30,578
-Your son, Todd, was about
-Todd.
1510
01:07:30,713 --> 01:07:33,848
How old about this time?
- I want to say about 15.
1511
01:07:33,917 --> 01:07:35,383
He moved in with US
'cause he had
1512
01:07:35,518 --> 01:07:36,918
a problem with his stepfather.
1513
01:07:36,987 --> 01:07:38,319
But I knew from the get-go,
1514
01:07:38,455 --> 01:07:40,454
Carole doesn't like people,
Carole likes cats.
1515
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:41,722
Mm-hmm.
1516
01:07:41,792 --> 01:07:45,259
Alan: And when my son had to
move in, he had nowhere to go.
1517
01:07:45,295 --> 01:07:48,063
So he moved in with me...
She was not happy with that.
1518
01:07:48,198 --> 01:07:49,798
There was a strict set of rules.
1519
01:07:49,933 --> 01:07:51,732
Don't come on our side
of the house.
1520
01:07:51,802 --> 01:07:53,813
This is your room.
This is your bathroom.
1521
01:07:53,837 --> 01:07:56,516
- He did not like her at all.
- Okay.
1522
01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:58,918
She was cold and, you know,
it was awkward.
1523
01:07:58,942 --> 01:08:00,920
Never a conversation...
She'd be in the same room,
1524
01:08:00,944 --> 01:08:03,723
wouldn't say anything, made him
feel very uncomfortable.
1525
01:08:03,747 --> 01:08:05,412
Rathmann: Okay.
1526
01:08:05,449 --> 01:08:07,060
Narrator: Now Carole has
a daughter of her own
1527
01:08:07,084 --> 01:08:08,394
by her first husband,
1528
01:08:08,418 --> 01:08:10,218
and this mother-daughter
relationship
1529
01:08:10,353 --> 01:08:12,086
sounds complicated.
1530
01:08:12,122 --> 01:08:13,562
Carole's daughter,
her name is Jamie.
1531
01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:15,201
- Yes.
- And Jamie was about
1532
01:08:15,225 --> 01:08:17,425
how old at that time?
Jamie was a little older
1533
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,894
than my son, probably about 18.
1534
01:08:19,963 --> 01:08:21,830
Did Carole spend a lot of
time with Jamie?
1535
01:08:21,965 --> 01:08:24,899
At work... it was...
To me, it's a strange
1536
01:08:24,935 --> 01:08:26,233
relationship, you know?
1537
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:28,614
So where was she living at the
time when you first moved in?
1538
01:08:28,638 --> 01:08:30,371
On the sanctuary.
- She was...
1539
01:08:30,407 --> 01:08:32,107
There was
a house on the sanctuary,
1540
01:08:32,242 --> 01:08:35,576
and Carole had a house about
three miles from there.
1541
01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:38,812
Jamie's relationship with
her mother was very distant.
1542
01:08:38,849 --> 01:08:41,249
Rathmann: You know, the lack of
emotion, the lack of empathy,
1543
01:08:41,318 --> 01:08:43,896
the lack of that personal
connection with somebody,
1544
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,119
find that to be very odd.
1545
01:08:45,188 --> 01:08:48,923
Did you ever have maybe any
indication as to maybe
1546
01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,125
your own internal alarm
going off that maybe
1547
01:08:51,194 --> 01:08:54,129
she could have been involved
with his disappearance?
1548
01:08:54,264 --> 01:08:56,464
Interesting question...
When I first was with her,
1549
01:08:56,533 --> 01:08:59,734
the answer was 99.9% I was
sure she didn't do it.
1550
01:08:59,869 --> 01:09:02,803
- Okay.
- Now, I'm 50-50.
1551
01:09:02,839 --> 01:09:04,872
And what made you kind of
change your stance
1552
01:09:04,941 --> 01:09:06,274
a little bit?
- The will.
1553
01:09:06,409 --> 01:09:08,409
I really believe in my heart
1554
01:09:08,445 --> 01:09:11,880
she forged the will and so
forth, some other things.
1555
01:09:12,015 --> 01:09:14,281
And what do you think
happened to Don?
1556
01:09:14,317 --> 01:09:15,928
Do you still think
that something...
1557
01:09:15,952 --> 01:09:18,553
Maybe one of his business
dealings when awry?
1558
01:09:18,688 --> 01:09:20,822
I do and I don't.
1559
01:09:20,957 --> 01:09:23,624
I do, okay,
'cause it makes sense.
1560
01:09:23,660 --> 01:09:26,205
But the person that did this
1561
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:28,296
was very good cleaning up.
1562
01:09:28,431 --> 01:09:30,565
20 years, they can't find him,
they don't have a clue.
1563
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:31,799
Very calculated.
1564
01:09:33,403 --> 01:09:34,881
There was one more thing she did
1565
01:09:34,905 --> 01:09:37,171
I found out... I used to have
a lot of properties.
1566
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,373
And the lady said,
"did you sell some property
1567
01:09:39,409 --> 01:09:42,576
in Costa Rica?"
I said, "no.
1568
01:09:42,612 --> 01:09:44,223
I don't know anybody
in Costa Rica."
1569
01:09:44,247 --> 01:09:45,446
So she did a transaction
1570
01:09:45,515 --> 01:09:46,759
without your knowledge...
- Right.
1571
01:09:46,783 --> 01:09:48,327
Using your name?
- It didn't hurt me at all,
1572
01:09:48,351 --> 01:09:50,185
money-wise or anything
like that.
1573
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:51,920
- She just used your name.
- Yeah.
1574
01:09:52,055 --> 01:09:54,855
Is there anyone we should
speak with that
1575
01:09:54,891 --> 01:09:57,791
comes to mind that would have
some information to share
1576
01:09:57,827 --> 01:09:59,393
perhaps on what happened to Don?
1577
01:09:59,429 --> 01:10:03,042
There was a guy, Kenny farr...
He used to be Don's gopher.
1578
01:10:03,066 --> 01:10:04,243
Rathmann: Mm-hmm.
1579
01:10:04,267 --> 01:10:07,268
And then after he was missing,
became Carole's gopher,
1580
01:10:07,304 --> 01:10:11,539
but I knew he came from
the wrong side of the tracks.
1581
01:10:11,674 --> 01:10:12,974
This is the second time
1582
01:10:13,009 --> 01:10:16,656
Don's handyman, Kenny farr, has
come up in this investigation.
1583
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,992
Griffith: Carole said that
she saw Don that Sunday morning,
1584
01:10:20,016 --> 01:10:21,682
but he didn't go
to church with her.
1585
01:10:21,718 --> 01:10:25,319
She went to church
with Kenny, the handyman.
1586
01:10:25,355 --> 01:10:27,266
- Thank you again, Alan.
- All right, you take care.
1587
01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:28,890
- Have yourself a great day.
- All right.
1588
01:10:31,962 --> 01:10:34,042
Rathmann: Alan said Carole made
a transaction without
1589
01:10:34,097 --> 01:10:36,664
his knowledge, but I can't
find a record of it.
1590
01:10:37,967 --> 01:10:39,033
After talking to Alan,
1591
01:10:39,168 --> 01:10:41,902
it's clear I need to look at
Kenny farr more closely,
1592
01:10:41,972 --> 01:10:44,705
and tricia lets me know that
she dug up some more documents
1593
01:10:44,774 --> 01:10:46,074
that are very intriguing.
1594
01:10:47,977 --> 01:10:51,712
Carole and Kenny were close,
very close.
1595
01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:55,494
Shortly after Don went missing,
1596
01:10:55,518 --> 01:10:59,765
she sold him all of
this very valuable property,
1597
01:10:59,789 --> 01:11:02,323
money-generating property.
1598
01:11:02,392 --> 01:11:05,504
And he gets three properties
for a total of $9,080.
1599
01:11:05,528 --> 01:11:07,728
Narrator: But
these properties were worth
1600
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,508
a whole lot more than that.
1601
01:11:09,532 --> 01:11:12,199
They have trailers on them
where he gets income.
1602
01:11:12,269 --> 01:11:14,535
Rathmann: Why would Carole
give up valuable properties
1603
01:11:14,571 --> 01:11:18,172
to Don's handyman
for under market value?
1604
01:11:24,981 --> 01:11:28,327
Narrator: Investigators are
always told, follow the money.
1605
01:11:28,351 --> 01:11:31,519
In this case, the trail
seems to lead to Kenny farr.
1606
01:11:32,989 --> 01:11:36,691
Rathmann: Kenny farr was
Don Lewis's handyman,
1607
01:11:36,826 --> 01:11:38,293
so he helped build cages,
1608
01:11:38,428 --> 01:11:41,229
fix and repair miscellaneous
items that would break
1609
01:11:41,364 --> 01:11:46,166
throughout the sanctuary...
September of 1997,
1610
01:11:46,202 --> 01:11:48,302
it was actually just a month
and a few days
1611
01:11:48,338 --> 01:11:50,437
after Don Lewis disappeared,
1612
01:11:50,473 --> 01:11:53,174
property transactions were
sold to the handyman,
1613
01:11:53,243 --> 01:11:55,909
Kenny farr, for way less
than what they're worth,
1614
01:11:55,945 --> 01:11:59,692
which is highly suspicious
because these properties
1615
01:11:59,716 --> 01:12:01,849
were money-generating
properties.
1616
01:12:01,918 --> 01:12:03,250
They had people living on
1617
01:12:03,286 --> 01:12:05,186
these properties
that were paying rent.
1618
01:12:05,255 --> 01:12:06,899
They had a trailer on there.
1619
01:12:06,923 --> 01:12:09,257
So not only was he sold
the property itself,
1620
01:12:09,392 --> 01:12:10,257
but he was also sold
1621
01:12:10,327 --> 01:12:12,104
the money-generating aspect
of it.
1622
01:12:12,128 --> 01:12:15,530
These were estimated to be
at about $50,000 apiece,
1623
01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:17,043
and he was sold three of those
1624
01:12:17,067 --> 01:12:19,801
only one month after
Don Lewis disappeared.
1625
01:12:19,936 --> 01:12:22,704
He was given about $150,000
worth of properties.
1626
01:12:25,809 --> 01:12:29,410
Why would Carole give up
1627
01:12:29,446 --> 01:12:32,080
valuable properties to
1628
01:12:32,215 --> 01:12:34,481
Don's handyman?
1629
01:12:34,517 --> 01:12:36,350
Rathmann: I couldn't help
but wonder if this
1630
01:12:36,386 --> 01:12:38,419
could be some sort of payoff.
1631
01:12:38,488 --> 01:12:42,090
I have been able to speak with
his now ex-wife, Trish,
1632
01:12:42,225 --> 01:12:43,357
on the phone.
1633
01:12:43,426 --> 01:12:46,260
Some of the information
she told me, I wasn't expecting.
1634
01:12:48,965 --> 01:12:50,365
Rathmann:
Seven days a week. Wow.
1635
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,752
Trish stated that on that
particular day, he was home.
1636
01:12:59,776 --> 01:13:03,511
He got a phone call and a page
at approximately 1 P.M.
1637
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:06,692
On August 17th of 1997.
1638
01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:10,785
Narrator: This is the very
same day that Don disappeared.
1639
01:13:22,866 --> 01:13:24,932
Rathmann: A person showed up
at the residence.
1640
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,469
She's unsure of
exactly which person it is.
1641
01:13:28,505 --> 01:13:32,140
Kenny farr then left
with this person.
1642
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:38,924
Rathmann: It was like
he was in a hurry.
1643
01:13:38,948 --> 01:13:40,615
He was in a panic
to get out of the house.
1644
01:13:41,785 --> 01:13:44,151
This is on Sunday, August 17th
1645
01:13:44,187 --> 01:13:47,400
of 1997, two days before
Don Lewis was officially
1646
01:13:47,424 --> 01:13:48,723
reported missing.
1647
01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:07,942
Rathmann: Like pistols
and rifles, or...?
1648
01:14:13,115 --> 01:14:14,715
Rathmann: Oh, wow.
1649
01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:32,332
Two days prior to him
being reported missing,
1650
01:14:32,368 --> 01:14:34,601
and now somebody else
already knows that
1651
01:14:34,637 --> 01:14:36,737
he's missing with all of
the firearms?
1652
01:14:36,773 --> 01:14:38,206
It's highly suspicious.
1653
01:16:05,161 --> 01:16:07,139
Rathmann: I can't believe
what I just heard from
1654
01:16:07,163 --> 01:16:09,764
the ex-wife of Don
and Carole Lewis's handyman.
1655
01:16:09,899 --> 01:16:10,965
It's mind-blowing.
1656
01:16:12,769 --> 01:16:14,569
Narrator: After Trish tries
to leave him,
1657
01:16:14,704 --> 01:16:17,371
she claims that Kenny farr
threatens that she'll end up in
1658
01:16:17,407 --> 01:16:21,042
a meat grinder,
just like Don Lewis.
1659
01:16:24,747 --> 01:16:26,725
Rathmann: It wouldn't be
a first thought for many people
1660
01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:28,629
unless you have some sort of
experience with it.
1661
01:16:29,819 --> 01:16:31,931
Narrator: Trish explains that
it's a piece of equipment found
1662
01:16:31,955 --> 01:16:35,922
at most zoos, and wildlife on
easy street was no exception.
1663
01:16:35,959 --> 01:16:37,399
Rathmann:
So they had a meat grinder.
1664
01:16:40,463 --> 01:16:43,130
Rathmann: So an industrial-sized
meat grinder.
1665
01:16:45,802 --> 01:16:48,603
Rathmann: It would be possible
to put a body into that then.
1666
01:16:48,738 --> 01:16:49,937
It would be...
1667
01:17:04,787 --> 01:17:07,199
Narrator: Joe exotic has
suggested that Carole
1668
01:17:07,223 --> 01:17:10,803
fed Don Lewis to the tigers, but
Trish has a different theory,
1669
01:17:10,827 --> 01:17:13,960
involving both the meat grinder
and a nearby lake.
1670
01:17:13,997 --> 01:17:18,265
##
1671
01:17:36,653 --> 01:17:39,632
Rathmann: Did the sheriff's
office ever search that area
1672
01:17:39,656 --> 01:17:40,921
that you know of?
1673
01:17:40,957 --> 01:17:43,369
So it's still been unsearched
23 years later.
1674
01:17:43,393 --> 01:17:45,159
Nobody's ever searched
that area.
1675
01:17:50,967 --> 01:17:53,779
Griffith: If somebody
has the ability
1676
01:17:53,803 --> 01:17:56,070
to not only murder somebody,
1677
01:17:56,139 --> 01:17:59,606
but to put them through
a meat grinder,
1678
01:17:59,642 --> 01:18:04,277
there is a special kind of
crazy, and I don't mean crazy
1679
01:18:04,313 --> 01:18:05,624
they don't know what
they're doing.
1680
01:18:05,648 --> 01:18:09,149
I mean crazy they have no soul.
1681
01:18:09,218 --> 01:18:14,466
They have no ability to feel
empathy or sorrow or guilt.
1682
01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:16,869
You would have to be lacking
1683
01:18:16,893 --> 01:18:20,606
in these frontal lobe
brain emotions
1684
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:23,230
to be able to do something
like that, you would have to be
1685
01:18:23,365 --> 01:18:27,101
able to convince yourself that
this was the right thing to do,
1686
01:18:27,236 --> 01:18:30,303
and you are righteous in
doing it, and go out there
1687
01:18:30,339 --> 01:18:33,686
and put a smile on your face
and not think twice about it.
1688
01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:36,877
That is a cold,
cold human being.
1689
01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:40,180
Narrator:
It's a pretty outrageous theory,
1690
01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:43,028
but worth looking into.
1691
01:18:43,052 --> 01:18:45,030
Rathmann: Trish told me that
only a few weeks after
1692
01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:49,189
Don Lewis disappeared
that she found a receipt
1693
01:18:49,258 --> 01:18:52,059
in Kenny's pants pocket
1694
01:18:52,194 --> 01:18:55,262
where he auctioned off
an industrial-sized
1695
01:18:55,298 --> 01:18:58,510
meat grinder at the tampa
machinery auction.
1696
01:18:58,534 --> 01:19:00,200
It's really important to be able
1697
01:19:00,236 --> 01:19:02,335
to check the block off
on this one.
1698
01:19:02,371 --> 01:19:04,783
The owner of it is Dave Nelson.
1699
01:19:04,807 --> 01:19:06,540
I'm gonna sit down
and talk to him
1700
01:19:06,609 --> 01:19:09,276
and see if he has the records.
1701
01:19:09,411 --> 01:19:11,679
- Hey, how you doing?
- Hey, good, sir, how are you?
1702
01:19:11,814 --> 01:19:13,280
Thank you so much for
1703
01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:14,593
spending a few minutes
to talk to me.
1704
01:19:14,617 --> 01:19:15,949
No, my pleasure.
My pleasure.
1705
01:19:15,985 --> 01:19:18,664
So, uh, i'm an investigator.
1706
01:19:18,688 --> 01:19:20,132
I used to be
a homicide investigator.
1707
01:19:20,156 --> 01:19:21,400
I worked for the united
states secret service
1708
01:19:21,424 --> 01:19:22,824
for a little while, as well.
- Okay.
1709
01:19:22,892 --> 01:19:25,359
I've been looking into
the disappearance of Don Lewis.
1710
01:19:25,428 --> 01:19:27,160
Are you at all familiar
with Don Lewis?
1711
01:19:27,196 --> 01:19:28,907
Did he do a lot out of here?
- Oh, I knew, Don.
1712
01:19:28,931 --> 01:19:30,242
- Sure, I knew Don.
- You did? Okay.
1713
01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:31,732
Yeah, I did.
1714
01:19:31,834 --> 01:19:34,434
I started working here in 1982,
1715
01:19:34,504 --> 01:19:37,905
and Don was already
a customer at that time.
1716
01:19:37,974 --> 01:19:39,774
What kind of stuff was
he purchasing out here?
1717
01:19:39,842 --> 01:19:41,041
Oh, he traded in anything.
1718
01:19:41,177 --> 01:19:43,355
Anything he thought he could
make a dollar on, he'd trade.
1719
01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:44,845
- Yeah.
- Yeah, Don was...
1720
01:19:44,914 --> 01:19:46,647
Don was very street smart.
1721
01:19:46,782 --> 01:19:49,316
So you did get to meet him
and get to know him over...
1722
01:19:49,451 --> 01:19:50,762
Over the course of time.
- Oh, yeah, he was...
1723
01:19:50,786 --> 01:19:51,786
Don as a great guy.
1724
01:19:51,854 --> 01:19:54,967
He, um, he was strange,
but, you know.
1725
01:19:54,991 --> 01:19:56,301
- Strange as in...
- Eccentric.
1726
01:19:56,325 --> 01:19:58,704
- Yeah.
- You know, he loved animals.
1727
01:19:58,728 --> 01:20:00,672
I think he liked animals
more than he liked people.
1728
01:20:00,696 --> 01:20:04,531
Uh, but, you know,
he was always very quiet,
1729
01:20:04,567 --> 01:20:05,799
soft-spoken guy,
1730
01:20:05,868 --> 01:20:07,467
never had any problems with him.
1731
01:20:07,503 --> 01:20:12,138
You know, he, uh, always did
what he said he was gonna do.
1732
01:20:12,175 --> 01:20:13,318
That's one of those guys,
you know?
1733
01:20:13,342 --> 01:20:15,120
Yeah, one of the reasons why
I wanted to come in
1734
01:20:15,144 --> 01:20:16,455
and talk to you,
1735
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,880
I ended up getting a statement
from an ex-wife of Kenny farr.
1736
01:20:20,015 --> 01:20:22,327
Just within a few weeks of
Don Lewis disappearing,
1737
01:20:22,351 --> 01:20:24,952
he auctioned off an industrial-
sized meat grinder.
1738
01:20:25,087 --> 01:20:26,153
Okay.
1739
01:20:26,288 --> 01:20:28,889
So that brings me here,
because I'm curious to know
1740
01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:30,291
if you guys have files.
1741
01:20:30,426 --> 01:20:33,494
We're looking back around
August or September of 1997.
1742
01:20:33,629 --> 01:20:35,829
No, I wouldn't have
any hard copies.
1743
01:20:35,898 --> 01:20:37,497
Um, what year was that again?
1744
01:20:37,533 --> 01:20:38,677
- Remind me?
- It would have been August
1745
01:20:38,701 --> 01:20:40,835
to September of 1997.
1746
01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:42,214
Let me take a look real quick,
1747
01:20:42,238 --> 01:20:44,638
but I don't believe
I go back that far.
1748
01:20:44,707 --> 01:20:47,553
Narrator: The company purges
records after seven years,
1749
01:20:47,577 --> 01:20:49,421
so he's unable
to retrieve the receipt.
1750
01:20:49,445 --> 01:20:50,525
I'm just not gonna have it.
1751
01:20:50,580 --> 01:20:53,314
What do you think happened
to... to Don?
1752
01:20:54,784 --> 01:20:56,383
You know, it's hard to say.
1753
01:20:56,452 --> 01:20:58,718
Um, but like I said,
Don was eccentric.
1754
01:20:58,754 --> 01:21:00,187
- Yeah.
- So I guess at first,
1755
01:21:00,322 --> 01:21:02,188
people thought, he, this...
He could
1756
01:21:02,225 --> 01:21:03,991
have just got in a plane
and left, you know?
1757
01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:05,704
- Yeah.
- But as time went on,
1758
01:21:05,728 --> 01:21:07,439
it just didn't...
- Didn't fit.
1759
01:21:07,463 --> 01:21:08,841
He didn't seem to be
that kind of guy, huh.
1760
01:21:08,865 --> 01:21:11,065
Didn't fit... no, not that would
just disappear forever.
1761
01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:12,399
Loved his animals too much?
1762
01:21:12,468 --> 01:21:15,135
His animals, his money,
you know,
1763
01:21:15,271 --> 01:21:18,071
he had properties and money
stashed all over the place.
1764
01:21:18,107 --> 01:21:20,608
It wasn't unusual for Don
to have a fistful of money in
1765
01:21:20,743 --> 01:21:22,743
his pocket,
but I really don't think
1766
01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:24,523
he on his own just disappeared.
1767
01:21:24,547 --> 01:21:26,146
I think probably something...
1768
01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:27,281
Somebody killed him.
1769
01:21:27,416 --> 01:21:29,728
- Some foul play.
- My gut tells me that.
1770
01:21:29,752 --> 01:21:31,952
That's my goal is to get
to the bottom of it.
1771
01:21:32,087 --> 01:21:33,420
Well, I hope you do, I mean,
1772
01:21:33,456 --> 01:21:35,723
that... something like that
deserves justice.
1773
01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,661
Narrator: Trish's theory is
that after Don was put
1774
01:21:40,763 --> 01:21:43,697
in the meat grinder,
he was dumped in a local lake.
1775
01:21:43,832 --> 01:21:47,301
And wouldn't you know it,
Don Lewis owned a lake house.
1776
01:21:49,305 --> 01:21:51,283
Rathmann: As I am going through
Don's property records,
1777
01:21:51,307 --> 01:21:54,019
I noticed a lake house that
was sold in 1998,
1778
01:21:54,043 --> 01:21:57,444
exactly one year after
Don Lewis went missing.
1779
01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:59,800
Could his body and the meat
grinder have been dumped there?
1780
01:22:01,851 --> 01:22:03,384
We're gonna check it out
and see.
1781
01:22:06,422 --> 01:22:08,567
Narrator: Jim follows up
on Trish's lead,
1782
01:22:08,591 --> 01:22:12,059
which takes him to a lake
in Brandon, Florida.
1783
01:22:12,128 --> 01:22:15,195
Rathmann: It would be very easy
to dump a body in this lake,
1784
01:22:15,231 --> 01:22:18,265
especially in 1997,
because this residential
1785
01:22:18,367 --> 01:22:20,801
community around here
did not exist.
1786
01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:23,270
So you really just had
Don Lewis's lake house
1787
01:22:23,339 --> 01:22:25,205
surrounded by woods.
1788
01:22:25,341 --> 01:22:26,952
So you really had nobody to be
able to see anything.
1789
01:22:26,976 --> 01:22:29,142
Very much an ideal spot.
1790
01:22:29,211 --> 01:22:31,523
Lots of alligators in that area,
1791
01:22:31,547 --> 01:22:35,282
and that's actually a very
easy thing to do,
1792
01:22:35,351 --> 01:22:37,350
if you kill somebody,
to carry the body
1793
01:22:37,386 --> 01:22:39,019
and toss it in a swamp.
1794
01:22:39,088 --> 01:22:41,533
Rathmann: Don Lewis's lake house
was a direct shot
1795
01:22:41,557 --> 01:22:44,325
to the southwestern
portion of the lake,
1796
01:22:45,895 --> 01:22:47,761
and when you are looking
for a body,
1797
01:22:47,797 --> 01:22:51,031
there is a high chance that it
could be in their own backyard.
1798
01:22:53,102 --> 01:22:56,503
Most people are gonna travel
the path of least resistance,
1799
01:22:56,572 --> 01:22:59,773
so the most likely scenario
for how somebody would have
1800
01:22:59,809 --> 01:23:02,309
disposed of Don's body
at that time
1801
01:23:02,444 --> 01:23:03,644
would be in the lake.
1802
01:23:05,815 --> 01:23:07,292
Narrator:
The lake in Brandon has
1803
01:23:07,316 --> 01:23:10,250
never been searched
by law enforcement.
1804
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:11,985
The only way to find out
if Don's
1805
01:23:12,054 --> 01:23:14,355
remains are in the lake
is to search it.
1806
01:23:18,527 --> 01:23:20,906
Rathmann: There's a lot of
factors that get involved
1807
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:23,041
when you're talking
about doing water searches.
1808
01:23:23,065 --> 01:23:24,965
I just think it's incredibly
important to reach
1809
01:23:25,034 --> 01:23:26,778
out to those that are
experts in their field.
1810
01:23:26,802 --> 01:23:28,135
Good mornin'.
1811
01:23:28,204 --> 01:23:32,784
Mike zinszer is a world-class
water-investigative expert.
1812
01:23:32,808 --> 01:23:34,007
He's been in the Navy.
1813
01:23:34,076 --> 01:23:36,009
He set up underwater
crime scenes
1814
01:23:36,078 --> 01:23:37,677
for Florida state university.
1815
01:23:37,713 --> 01:23:41,681
He's worked on important cases
like twa flight 800
1816
01:23:41,717 --> 01:23:43,483
that crashed off of long island.
1817
01:23:43,552 --> 01:23:45,485
He's worked on
the Natalee holloway case
1818
01:23:45,554 --> 01:23:47,621
and countless amount of others.
1819
01:23:47,690 --> 01:23:49,556
He is an expert in this field,
1820
01:23:49,592 --> 01:23:52,760
and so bringing in Mike to
this case to help US
1821
01:23:52,895 --> 01:23:56,096
search for possible remains
of Don Lewis is real important.
1822
01:23:56,132 --> 01:23:59,432
We also have
captain Mike hadsell of
1823
01:23:59,468 --> 01:24:01,480
peace river k9
search and rescue.
1824
01:24:01,504 --> 01:24:03,303
He's an expert in the use
1825
01:24:03,339 --> 01:24:06,240
of highly trained cadaver dogs
and sonar.
1826
01:24:06,375 --> 01:24:10,144
Narrator: This dog can sniff out
both machinery and a body.
1827
01:24:14,050 --> 01:24:14,848
Rathmann: Game on.
1828
01:24:14,917 --> 01:24:17,584
Narrator:
Next time on "Joe exotic:
1829
01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:19,820
Tigers, lies
and cover-up."
1830
01:24:26,261 --> 01:24:28,106
Man: We wanna make sure
that we do everything we can
1831
01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:30,130
to leave no stone unturned.
1832
01:24:30,265 --> 01:24:33,779
Narrator: The high-stakes search
for Don Lewis's body...
1833
01:24:33,803 --> 01:24:35,069
The dog starts alerting.
1834
01:24:35,204 --> 01:24:37,804
Like, you're thinking
in this area?
1835
01:24:37,873 --> 01:24:41,075
Leads to a confrontation
with a key player.
1836
01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:45,412
We are going to try
to make contact
1837
01:24:45,481 --> 01:24:47,081
with Kenny farr.
1838
01:24:47,216 --> 01:24:48,216
How you doin', bud?
1839
01:24:48,284 --> 01:24:50,484
Narrator: New information
changes the trajectory
1840
01:24:50,553 --> 01:24:51,685
of the search.
1841
01:24:51,754 --> 01:24:54,020
All: Justice for Don!
- Narrator: And with team tiger
1842
01:24:54,056 --> 01:24:56,156
behind him,
could Joe exotic be looking
1843
01:24:56,192 --> 01:24:57,803
at a presidential pardon?
1844
01:24:57,827 --> 01:25:00,760
Joe exotic: I'm finally glad
that, you know, Don's family is
1845
01:25:00,830 --> 01:25:03,763
finally maybe gonna
get some answers out of this.
1846
01:25:03,799 --> 01:25:06,099
Because I have not
yet rented a backhoe,
1847
01:25:06,168 --> 01:25:08,502
drove it to easy street,
and dug up
1848
01:25:08,571 --> 01:25:10,137
the [bleep] septic tank, okay?
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