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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,506 --> 00:00:08,673 The loudest mouth gets the most attention. [ Laughs ] 2 00:00:08,709 --> 00:00:11,810 Narrator: It's the shocking feud that has captivated the world. 3 00:00:11,879 --> 00:00:14,413 Co-host with me again tonight, Carole Anne, how you doin'? 4 00:00:14,548 --> 00:00:16,426 Narrator: The exotic zoo owner with a bad mullet 5 00:00:16,450 --> 00:00:18,061 and an itchy trigger finger. 6 00:00:18,085 --> 00:00:19,818 [ Gunshots blasting ] 7 00:00:19,887 --> 00:00:22,332 The big cat rescuer whose husband vanishes 8 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:23,688 and leaves her millions. 9 00:00:23,758 --> 00:00:25,135 What did happen to him? 10 00:00:25,159 --> 00:00:27,492 We have airboats, we have helicopters, 11 00:00:27,528 --> 00:00:29,294 and we are looking for Don! 12 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:31,341 Narrator: It's all fun and games -[ Gunshot blasts ] 13 00:00:31,365 --> 00:00:34,165 Until whispers of murder are revealed. 14 00:00:34,201 --> 00:00:36,501 The person that did this was very good. 15 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:38,103 20 years, they don't have a clue. 16 00:00:38,172 --> 00:00:41,073 Carole's ground him up and fed him to the tigers. 17 00:00:42,643 --> 00:00:44,176 Narrator: In this three-part special, 18 00:00:44,311 --> 00:00:47,557 we go beyond the hype for the real story of Joe exotic 19 00:00:47,581 --> 00:00:48,581 and Carole Baskin. 20 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:50,049 What is this really about? 21 00:00:50,184 --> 00:00:51,850 It's all coming back to Don Lewis. 22 00:00:51,919 --> 00:00:54,453 Narrator: The brash strategy to get Joe out of jail. 23 00:00:54,588 --> 00:00:56,900 If we'd just checked the septic tank and find the body, 24 00:00:56,924 --> 00:00:59,036 then we'd walk Joe out. 25 00:00:59,060 --> 00:01:00,337 Narrator: The unanswered questions 26 00:01:00,361 --> 00:01:01,838 about the hit man plot. 27 00:01:01,862 --> 00:01:03,440 You're gonna give this mook three grand 28 00:01:03,464 --> 00:01:05,263 to go kill somebody? Bull[Bleep]. 29 00:01:05,299 --> 00:01:07,132 Narrator: And exclusive new details 30 00:01:07,267 --> 00:01:09,134 about the disappearance of Don Lewis. 31 00:01:09,269 --> 00:01:10,781 We had the cadaver dog 32 00:01:10,805 --> 00:01:13,272 hit numerous times close to this dock. 33 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:15,073 I think it's a good time to approach him 34 00:01:15,142 --> 00:01:16,541 and talk to him... game on. 35 00:01:16,610 --> 00:01:17,742 Kenny, right? 36 00:01:17,812 --> 00:01:21,458 Narrator: It's tigers, lies, and cover-up, oh my. 37 00:01:21,482 --> 00:01:29,482 ## 38 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:37,229 ## 39 00:01:37,298 --> 00:01:40,632 [ tiger growls ] 40 00:01:40,668 --> 00:01:42,834 Unless you've been living under a rock, 41 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:46,171 you've heard the twisted saga of Joe maldonado-passage, 42 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,708 better known as Joe exotic. 43 00:01:49,843 --> 00:01:54,157 He's the Oklahoma zookeeper who's absolutely obsessed 44 00:01:54,181 --> 00:01:56,848 with Carole Baskin of big cat rescue. 45 00:01:56,917 --> 00:01:58,450 Carole Baskin, yep! 46 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:02,520 That lady that profits over $1.5 million 47 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:05,857 sucking on your heart strings about [bleep] on the Internet 48 00:02:05,893 --> 00:02:07,192 that ain't even true. 49 00:02:07,228 --> 00:02:08,660 Narrator: Joe holds nothing back 50 00:02:08,696 --> 00:02:11,129 on his self-produced Internet TV show. 51 00:02:11,198 --> 00:02:15,045 And before you bring me down, it is my belief 52 00:02:15,069 --> 00:02:17,669 that you will stop breathing. 53 00:02:17,738 --> 00:02:19,071 Narrator: For nearly a decade, 54 00:02:19,206 --> 00:02:20,872 these two are at each other's throats, 55 00:02:20,941 --> 00:02:23,609 and it just gets uglier and uglier. 56 00:02:23,744 --> 00:02:26,145 Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, I'm Joe exotic, 57 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,747 and we're gonna make an honest woman out of this bitch. 58 00:02:28,816 --> 00:02:31,617 Narrator: Carole claims Joe abuses his animals. 59 00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:33,885 Joe calls Carole a hypocrite. 60 00:02:33,921 --> 00:02:35,754 The biggest accredited sanctuary 61 00:02:35,889 --> 00:02:38,068 in the world only helped two animals. 62 00:02:38,092 --> 00:02:39,892 For god's sakes, we do that a week. 63 00:02:40,027 --> 00:02:42,894 Narrator: Things escalate when Joe accuses Carole Baskin of 64 00:02:42,963 --> 00:02:44,429 murdering her former husband, 65 00:02:44,465 --> 00:02:47,832 Don Lewis, who went missing back in 1997... 66 00:02:47,935 --> 00:02:50,034 Keep these two separated, because you never want 67 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:52,637 to feed two cats from one nipple. 68 00:02:52,706 --> 00:02:54,106 Even though Carole has never been 69 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:57,242 charged or implicated in his disappearance. 70 00:02:57,377 --> 00:03:00,979 She has this black cloud over her head of people thinking 71 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:02,848 that she fed her husband to the tiger. 72 00:03:02,983 --> 00:03:05,183 I hear it's Carole's birthday 73 00:03:05,252 --> 00:03:08,253 next month, and we're shipping her two of these. 74 00:03:08,322 --> 00:03:11,301 Narrator: But Joe exotic isn't exactly an angel. 75 00:03:11,325 --> 00:03:12,724 Griffith: What Joe did, 76 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,060 what he did to the animals, what happened between him 77 00:03:16,096 --> 00:03:17,129 and Carole, 78 00:03:17,264 --> 00:03:19,998 his crazy life as a country singer, 79 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:23,001 and it just goes on and on and on and on. 80 00:03:23,136 --> 00:03:28,673 It is the biggest [bleep]show that we have seen to date. 81 00:03:28,742 --> 00:03:29,742 [ Blasting noise ] 82 00:03:29,810 --> 00:03:34,813 Joe has been saying, loudly, that Don was put 83 00:03:34,882 --> 00:03:37,482 in the meat grinder and fed to the tigers. 84 00:03:37,551 --> 00:03:40,618 # Oh, here kitty, kitty # 85 00:03:40,654 --> 00:03:44,823 # mama Carole, she sure loves you # 86 00:03:44,892 --> 00:03:47,559 # oh, here kitty, kitty # 87 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:53,098 narrator: The feud comes to a head when Joe's arrested 88 00:03:53,167 --> 00:03:55,345 on September 7th 2018. 89 00:03:55,369 --> 00:03:58,169 Woman: Federal authorities foil a murder-for-hire plot 90 00:03:58,239 --> 00:04:00,105 that targeted big cat rescue owner, 91 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,374 Carole Baskin, and leaves her enemy, 92 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:04,910 Joe exotic, behind bars. 93 00:04:05,045 --> 00:04:07,746 Narrator: Joe's sentenced to 22 years in federal prison. 94 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:29,534 Narrator: Joe's got a lot of friends working on the outside. 95 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:32,537 In true Joe fashion, it's an interesting 96 00:04:32,673 --> 00:04:34,205 cast of characters. 97 00:04:34,275 --> 00:04:35,807 My name is Anne Patrick. 98 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:38,209 I met Joe five years ago. 99 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,279 He was doing a presidential campaign. 100 00:04:40,414 --> 00:04:43,415 And yes, I'm running for president of the United States, 101 00:04:43,484 --> 00:04:47,753 and it is about time somebody said what you were thinking. 102 00:04:47,888 --> 00:04:49,399 He was like, this bitch took off 103 00:04:49,423 --> 00:04:50,755 with all my presidential [bleep], 104 00:04:50,858 --> 00:04:52,423 now I don't know what to do, you know, 105 00:04:52,459 --> 00:04:53,803 I'm in the middle of this campaign. 106 00:04:53,827 --> 00:04:55,493 I said, "hey, I'll do it!" 107 00:04:55,529 --> 00:04:57,807 I've never even voted in my life. 108 00:04:57,831 --> 00:05:00,598 Announcer: Joe exotic is here for the people of america. 109 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:04,748 I was like, this guy's a [bleep] nut, but I am, too, 110 00:05:04,772 --> 00:05:07,505 so I was like, let's just go see what happens! 111 00:05:07,541 --> 00:05:10,174 Narrator: Joe's had four husbands... at one point, 112 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:11,910 he had two at the same time. 113 00:05:12,045 --> 00:05:13,845 Woman: You may now kiss. 114 00:05:13,914 --> 00:05:16,359 Narrator: Dillon passage is husband number four. 115 00:05:16,383 --> 00:05:17,623 Passage: Since Joe was arrested, 116 00:05:17,651 --> 00:05:19,117 like, the minute he was arrested, 117 00:05:19,252 --> 00:05:22,187 my life was just flipped the [bleep] upside-down. 118 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:23,967 When they said the murder-for-hire charge, 119 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:25,657 I was, like... I was shocked. 120 00:05:25,792 --> 00:05:27,236 You know, I didn't think Joe would ever 121 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:29,306 take anything that far. 122 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:31,196 The zoo's new owner is somebody Joe 123 00:05:31,265 --> 00:05:34,199 came to know and hate, Jeff lowe. 124 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:37,535 This is Tara and gentle. 125 00:05:37,571 --> 00:05:39,404 They're really gettin' into this. 126 00:05:39,539 --> 00:05:41,740 Patrick: I think I met Jeff lowe, like, 127 00:05:41,809 --> 00:05:43,941 the first day or two when I went to the park. 128 00:05:43,977 --> 00:05:47,012 Old dude with his bandana, ball cap, 129 00:05:47,147 --> 00:05:49,748 walked around like he was, you know, the boss. 130 00:05:49,817 --> 00:05:52,128 Narrator: Joe is in a particularly bad place 131 00:05:52,152 --> 00:05:53,684 when Jeff shows up. 132 00:05:53,721 --> 00:05:56,132 He's got big-time financial problems, 133 00:05:56,156 --> 00:05:58,222 and Carole's suin' him. 134 00:05:58,258 --> 00:06:00,937 I have a judgment against me from some [bleep] down there 135 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:02,226 in Florida. 136 00:06:02,262 --> 00:06:05,430 Carole Baskin filed a lawsuit on me for copyright for some 137 00:06:05,466 --> 00:06:09,501 stupid rabbit picture of her staff with dead rabbits. 138 00:06:09,570 --> 00:06:11,214 Patrick: Joseph needed the money to get out 139 00:06:11,238 --> 00:06:12,615 from the lawsuit with Carole Baskin. 140 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:17,242 So here comes Jeff swooping in with his $35,000, 141 00:06:17,311 --> 00:06:20,156 and he says, "I'll pay the attorneys, and then I'll put" 142 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:22,180 "my name on the zoo, 'cause I'm such a good guy. 143 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:23,249 I'm gonna help you." 144 00:06:23,316 --> 00:06:24,850 So now everything's in his name. 145 00:06:36,430 --> 00:06:39,242 There are so many unanswered questions in a story like this, 146 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:42,401 but the biggest mystery of all is what happened to Don Lewis. 147 00:06:42,536 --> 00:06:45,115 Narrator: Carole and many others maintain the belief 148 00:06:45,139 --> 00:06:47,872 that Don was involved in a plane crash. 149 00:06:47,908 --> 00:06:51,254 Carole's been defending these accusations on social media 150 00:06:51,278 --> 00:06:53,411 and in her online video diaries. 151 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,658 All these years, I think the most likely scenario 152 00:06:55,682 --> 00:06:57,527 was that Don left out early 153 00:06:57,551 --> 00:07:00,151 of pilot country estates, headed out over 154 00:07:00,187 --> 00:07:02,754 the Gulf to fly somewhere under the radar, 155 00:07:02,823 --> 00:07:04,822 where the air is smoother, 156 00:07:04,858 --> 00:07:06,336 and crashed. 157 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,672 My name's Jim rathmann, born and raised in Florida, 158 00:07:09,696 --> 00:07:14,166 and I consult for families of missing persons or cold cases. 159 00:07:14,267 --> 00:07:16,834 I've worked in law enforcement as uniformed patrol. 160 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:18,615 I've done a little bit of undercover narcotics, 161 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:21,540 and I ended up working for United States secret service. 162 00:07:23,010 --> 00:07:25,688 When I first started hearing about the Don Lewis 163 00:07:25,712 --> 00:07:29,514 disappearance, a lot of red flags stuck out, and it's only 164 00:07:29,649 --> 00:07:31,449 an hour, hour and a half from where I live, 165 00:07:31,518 --> 00:07:34,497 and I decided I needed to look into this independently and see 166 00:07:34,521 --> 00:07:36,065 if there's anything I could do to kind of help out, 167 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:37,589 provide some new leads, or even 168 00:07:37,658 --> 00:07:39,057 solve this case if it's possible. 169 00:07:41,428 --> 00:07:43,929 Narrator: Don Lewis has been missing for 23 years, 170 00:07:44,064 --> 00:07:46,198 and no one's been able to prove what actually 171 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:47,298 happened to him. 172 00:07:47,334 --> 00:07:48,599 Rathmann: As an investigator, 173 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:50,747 it's important to look at all the theories and the questions 174 00:07:50,771 --> 00:07:51,870 surrounding a cold case. 175 00:07:51,939 --> 00:07:54,338 In the case of Don Lewis, there are several. 176 00:07:54,374 --> 00:07:55,985 Has he gone to Costa Rica? 177 00:07:56,009 --> 00:07:58,342 Did he crash his plane over the Gulf of Mexico? 178 00:07:58,378 --> 00:08:00,745 Was Don Lewis murdered by drug traffickers? 179 00:08:00,781 --> 00:08:02,614 Was he killed in a business deal gone wrong? 180 00:08:02,749 --> 00:08:04,216 Was his wife, Carole Baskin, 181 00:08:04,351 --> 00:08:06,529 involved in her missing husband's disappearance? 182 00:08:06,553 --> 00:08:07,886 Or the craziest of all, 183 00:08:07,955 --> 00:08:09,621 did she feed her husband to the tigers? 184 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:14,359 [ Music climbing ] 185 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,294 Chronister: Right now, it's a cold case. 186 00:08:16,363 --> 00:08:19,163 There's just no real legitimate leads. 187 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,967 Fritz: Everybody that knows of his disappearance 188 00:08:22,102 --> 00:08:23,768 has an idea of what happened, 189 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:27,439 but nobody can prove a thing at this point. 190 00:08:27,574 --> 00:08:30,041 Once we learned that her husband had disappeared, 191 00:08:30,110 --> 00:08:31,176 he's never been found, 192 00:08:31,311 --> 00:08:33,245 people went, what did happen to him? 193 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:40,117 Rathmann: There's a private investigator, Dan toporowych, 194 00:08:40,187 --> 00:08:42,067 that I'm really looking forward to meeting with. 195 00:08:43,891 --> 00:08:45,735 Dan being a private investigator and working with 196 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:48,571 Anne Patrick has brought a lot of information to light. 197 00:08:48,595 --> 00:08:50,795 Some of this information could be real useful, 198 00:08:50,831 --> 00:08:52,976 not only in the Joe exotic case, but also for 199 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,132 the Don Lewis case, as well. 200 00:08:54,234 --> 00:08:56,446 Absolutely... thanks for meeting with me, man. 201 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:58,069 Absolutely. 202 00:08:58,138 --> 00:08:59,649 What made you get involved in this? 203 00:08:59,673 --> 00:09:02,874 So my partner, Dave, and I are both retired cops. 204 00:09:02,943 --> 00:09:04,275 We worked together up in Ohio. 205 00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:06,189 He calls me, and he's like, "hey, have you watched 206 00:09:06,213 --> 00:09:07,657 the series?" So after I watched 207 00:09:07,681 --> 00:09:08,925 the series, I called him, I go, "yeah", 208 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:09,926 "there... there's more to this. 209 00:09:09,950 --> 00:09:11,227 "Why, where are you gettin' at?" He goes, 210 00:09:11,251 --> 00:09:13,162 "well, let's write him a letter and ask him 211 00:09:13,186 --> 00:09:14,953 if there's anything we could do for him." 212 00:09:15,088 --> 00:09:17,667 We heard back from Joe, and Joe told 213 00:09:17,691 --> 00:09:19,691 the state he wants US on his defense team. 214 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,426 So that's when we started digging into 215 00:09:22,462 --> 00:09:25,229 the bad police work that was involved in this. 216 00:09:25,299 --> 00:09:27,231 And it just has snowballed, 217 00:09:27,267 --> 00:09:29,145 because it's all coming back to Don Lewis. 218 00:09:29,169 --> 00:09:30,847 Rathmann: And as you know, I'm spending a lot of my time 219 00:09:30,871 --> 00:09:33,371 with Don Lewis, and I think Joe was getting close and... 220 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,173 Yeah, I think he was gettin' close, 221 00:09:35,242 --> 00:09:36,686 and people were starting to ask Carole some 222 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:37,830 difficult questions, -mm-hmm. 223 00:09:37,911 --> 00:09:40,578 And the sheriff's department's probably reinvestigating 224 00:09:40,614 --> 00:09:42,580 and starting to ask some difficult questions. 225 00:09:42,616 --> 00:09:43,982 She needed him shut up. 226 00:09:44,051 --> 00:09:45,695 Rathmann: Seems like Dan believes that maybe 227 00:09:45,719 --> 00:09:48,320 Carole set up Joe to shut him up. 228 00:09:48,455 --> 00:09:51,055 Toporowych: So the investigation into Don Lewis, 229 00:09:51,124 --> 00:09:53,458 and the appeal in getting Joe out of jail, 230 00:09:53,527 --> 00:09:56,061 we're connecting dots where it appears to US 231 00:09:56,196 --> 00:09:59,063 that Carole Baskin and Jeff lowe 232 00:09:59,132 --> 00:10:00,665 are connected to each other, 233 00:10:00,734 --> 00:10:02,600 knew each other prior to Jeff coming out 234 00:10:02,636 --> 00:10:06,415 to the g.W. Zoo and trying to help Joe out, 235 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:08,873 [ lawn mower rumbling ] 236 00:10:08,909 --> 00:10:11,054 And it all turns back to Don Lewis. 237 00:10:11,078 --> 00:10:14,612 Joe wanted that whole investigation into Don Lewis. 238 00:10:14,648 --> 00:10:17,615 He wants Carole in jail, and all of a sudden now, 239 00:10:17,684 --> 00:10:21,152 Jeff lowe shows up at the g.W. Zoo, 240 00:10:21,287 --> 00:10:25,022 and once Joe signed over the zoo to him, he brought on 241 00:10:25,058 --> 00:10:27,737 his best friend, Allen glover. 242 00:10:27,761 --> 00:10:29,227 Allen's a convicted felon. 243 00:10:29,296 --> 00:10:32,097 What really hurt Joe at the trial was the testimony of 244 00:10:32,232 --> 00:10:34,098 the right-hand man of Jeff lowe, 245 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:35,567 Allen glover. 246 00:10:35,702 --> 00:10:38,436 Narrator: Two years after Jeff lowe buys Joe's zoo, 247 00:10:38,505 --> 00:10:40,372 he skedaddles back to Las Vegas. 248 00:10:40,507 --> 00:10:42,106 He starts a business there 249 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:44,020 charging folks to pet tiger cubs, 250 00:10:44,044 --> 00:10:47,045 but Jeff still has a man on the ground in Oklahoma 251 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:49,581 to keep an eye on things... Allen glover. 252 00:10:51,184 --> 00:10:53,117 Dan toporowych implied that Carole Baskin 253 00:10:53,186 --> 00:10:54,919 may have known Jeff lowe for years 254 00:10:54,955 --> 00:10:57,188 and might had even sent him to buy the zoo. 255 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,839 Anne will know about what happened because she was there. 256 00:11:02,863 --> 00:11:04,862 Let's talk about... Let's talk about Allen. 257 00:11:04,931 --> 00:11:07,498 All right, well, first of all, I called him "accident Allen," 258 00:11:07,534 --> 00:11:08,978 'cause he fell down all the time. 259 00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:12,002 He was always hurt. He was a liability at the zoo. 260 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:15,251 Him and Joe fought all the time. 261 00:11:15,275 --> 00:11:16,540 Well, Jeff was in Las Vegas, 262 00:11:16,576 --> 00:11:19,255 so he was hopin' Jeff was gonna just stay in Vegas, 263 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:21,039 but then Jeff had to go get himself arrested. 264 00:11:23,383 --> 00:11:26,084 Woman: Jeff lowe was arrested and charged in Las Vegas 265 00:11:26,153 --> 00:11:28,219 after he was caught running a high-end 266 00:11:28,288 --> 00:11:31,256 cub-petting service without a license. 267 00:11:32,492 --> 00:11:34,158 At his arrest, lowe was caught 268 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:35,493 in possession of firearms, 269 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:38,296 which was illegal because he was a convicted felon. 270 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,365 Jeff lowe gets arrested with firearms. 271 00:11:41,401 --> 00:11:44,702 He was a felon in possession of firearms in Las Vegas. 272 00:11:44,738 --> 00:11:47,472 The gun case has never been filed. 273 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,242 Patrick: I just think that Jeff copped to the feds 274 00:11:51,278 --> 00:11:53,111 and was like, "I'll make a deal with you. 275 00:11:53,246 --> 00:11:55,980 I'll give you Joe, but you let me go." 276 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:58,494 Narrator: With no business left to run in Las Vegas, 277 00:11:58,518 --> 00:12:00,718 Jeff returns to the zoo. 278 00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:04,122 Joe and friends think he came back with a plan. 279 00:12:04,191 --> 00:12:05,901 Patrick: That's when he was takin' Joe down. 280 00:12:05,925 --> 00:12:08,592 Joseph had made the decision that he was leaving. 281 00:12:08,628 --> 00:12:10,261 I just want to go live my life with 282 00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:12,764 my new husband and have to do this no more. 283 00:12:19,939 --> 00:12:22,307 And Jeff went after him like a viper. 284 00:12:34,421 --> 00:12:36,620 Narrator: When Jeff lowe returns to the zoo in the fall 285 00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:40,825 of 2017, things go from bad to worse for Joe exotic. 286 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:44,896 Joe's steaming because he lost his zoo, 287 00:12:45,031 --> 00:12:47,476 and he blames Carole Baskin. 288 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:50,168 Jeff goes to Joe, and he's like, hey, I have a guy who can 289 00:12:50,237 --> 00:12:53,750 take out Carole, and so that's where Allen glover comes in. 290 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:55,239 Narrator: According to Jeff lowe, 291 00:12:55,308 --> 00:12:59,110 Joe pays Allen glover $3,000 to kill Carole Baskin, 292 00:12:59,179 --> 00:13:01,178 but the hit never happens. 293 00:13:01,214 --> 00:13:05,449 Passage: That obviously failed, because they're all criminals. 294 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:06,762 And then Jeff's like, "okay, well, 295 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:08,266 I have this other dude who can do it." 296 00:13:10,257 --> 00:13:13,324 Narrator: Needless to say, Joe picks the wrong dude. 297 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,774 The would-be hit man, who shows up in December 2017, 298 00:13:17,798 --> 00:13:19,864 is actually an undercover FBI agent 299 00:13:19,999 --> 00:13:22,066 with a hidden tape recorder. 300 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:25,069 Rathmann: According to the court records, Joe says to the agent, 301 00:13:25,105 --> 00:13:27,338 "she's got to go," referring to Carole Baskin. 302 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,319 The undercover agent tells Joe that a hit on Carole 303 00:13:30,343 --> 00:13:34,323 would cost $10,000, but no money is ever exchanged, 304 00:13:34,347 --> 00:13:37,248 and it's the agent who brings up the idea of murder-for-hire. 305 00:13:39,419 --> 00:13:43,421 On September 7, 2018, Joe exotic is arrested for 306 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:46,424 hiring a hit man to kill his sworn enemy, Carole Baskin. 307 00:13:48,428 --> 00:13:51,007 Ogle: Joe exotic enters a not guilty plea 308 00:13:51,031 --> 00:13:53,409 in the murder-for-hire case against him. 309 00:13:53,433 --> 00:13:56,700 He was very confident... He was gonna walk out of 310 00:13:56,736 --> 00:13:57,902 that courtroom a free man. 311 00:13:57,938 --> 00:13:59,771 There was no question in his mind. 312 00:13:59,906 --> 00:14:04,575 Federal u.S. Attorney's offices have a 98% conviction rate. 313 00:14:04,611 --> 00:14:06,578 98. 314 00:14:06,713 --> 00:14:10,714 Patrick: The grand jury would not proceed until mid July-ish 315 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:12,416 because they didn't have enough evidence 316 00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:14,718 for a hit-man-for-hire. 317 00:14:14,754 --> 00:14:16,054 Narrator: But federal authorities 318 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:17,922 have more up their sleeves. 319 00:14:17,958 --> 00:14:21,437 No question, they couldn't make the murder-for-hire. 320 00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:23,127 They couldn't make it. 321 00:14:23,163 --> 00:14:25,842 So they re-indicted the case on the Eve of trial 322 00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:28,032 to include these fish and wildlife offenses. 323 00:14:29,535 --> 00:14:32,336 Man: U.S. Attorney's office drops a kind of bombshell, 324 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:34,071 with new charges against the man known 325 00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:35,540 as Joe exotic. 326 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:38,209 Woman: Among the 21 counts maldonado-passage 327 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:41,011 is facing, 19 are wildlife charges. 328 00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:43,414 You have these murder-for-hire charges, 329 00:14:43,549 --> 00:14:46,885 and then you have these animal cruelty charges, all glommed 330 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:51,355 into one case... That is very unusual. 331 00:14:51,424 --> 00:14:53,291 Narrator: In march 2019, 332 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:55,359 Joe exotic is sittin' in federal court. 333 00:14:55,428 --> 00:14:58,496 He's on trial, charged with attempted murder-for-hire 334 00:14:58,631 --> 00:15:00,865 and violation of regulations protecting 335 00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:02,767 wild animals. 336 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,214 Woman: Prosecutors say Joe exotic killed 337 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:08,906 the tigers to make room for other tigers. 338 00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:11,020 It's interesting... usually the government starts off with 339 00:15:11,044 --> 00:15:14,557 their most serious charge, would be the murder counts. 340 00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:17,849 But how they started off was a little different. 341 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:19,917 Former park employees called to testify 342 00:15:19,986 --> 00:15:22,120 against him Monday include Erik cowie. 343 00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:24,121 They brought the long-haired guy Erik in, 344 00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:25,368 who loved the animals, 345 00:15:25,392 --> 00:15:27,770 who said he was with them when he had to put one down, 346 00:15:27,794 --> 00:15:29,460 and he cried on the stand. 347 00:15:29,595 --> 00:15:32,441 I knew cats were gettin' shot, 348 00:15:32,465 --> 00:15:37,113 because we discussed it all... All day long for... 349 00:15:37,137 --> 00:15:40,338 I want to say, even a day or two before that. 350 00:15:42,542 --> 00:15:45,209 An animal abuser... That's the worst thing. 351 00:15:45,345 --> 00:15:48,012 I think if we make him look bad enough, 352 00:15:48,048 --> 00:15:49,928 then they'll just find him guilty on everything. 353 00:15:58,725 --> 00:16:02,159 The evidence that was found out later when they exhumed 354 00:16:02,195 --> 00:16:04,161 the tiger bodies did not show 355 00:16:04,197 --> 00:16:06,431 that there was anything wrong with any of those tigers. 356 00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:08,566 So, in our minds, we're like, 357 00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:11,681 why where they put down? Money. 358 00:16:11,705 --> 00:16:14,617 The judge said, we're gonna switch gears now, 359 00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:16,708 and now you're gonna be hearing about 360 00:16:16,843 --> 00:16:18,376 the murder-for-hire. 361 00:16:18,445 --> 00:16:20,178 Narrator: Three days into the trial, 362 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:22,646 the jury is presented with evidence from Joe exotic's 363 00:16:22,716 --> 00:16:23,960 TV show. 364 00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:26,896 Woman: Prosecutors used Joe exotic's videos against him 365 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,386 to support their murder-for-hire case. 366 00:16:29,422 --> 00:16:30,788 [ Gunshot blasts ] 367 00:16:30,857 --> 00:16:33,169 If you're gonna do it, you're not gonna talk about it. 368 00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:35,104 You're just gonna do it... You're not gonna put it on 369 00:16:35,128 --> 00:16:36,572 the Internet that you're gonna kill somebody. 370 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:38,796 No, you're just gonna do it. 371 00:16:38,865 --> 00:16:43,000 Joe never had any intent or ability to carry that out. 372 00:16:43,036 --> 00:16:45,669 Narrator: Then Carole Baskin takes the stand as 373 00:16:45,705 --> 00:16:47,583 a witness for the prosecution. 374 00:16:47,607 --> 00:16:49,406 Woman: In court, Baskin testified 375 00:16:49,442 --> 00:16:51,609 threats continued through 2017 376 00:16:51,678 --> 00:16:53,744 and that she feared for her life. 377 00:16:53,813 --> 00:16:55,413 Buskey: To me, she did seem credible. 378 00:16:55,548 --> 00:16:57,994 Um, she seemed passionate about animals, 379 00:16:58,018 --> 00:17:00,218 and she just seemed like a nice lady. 380 00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:02,553 I could tell she was upset and distraught, 381 00:17:02,622 --> 00:17:05,623 and I could understand her fear. 382 00:17:05,692 --> 00:17:07,291 Narrator: After a week-long trial, 383 00:17:07,427 --> 00:17:10,227 the prosecution rests without calling several people 384 00:17:10,263 --> 00:17:11,474 in Joe's inner circle. 385 00:17:11,498 --> 00:17:15,433 The prosecutor had John reinke on their list. 386 00:17:15,568 --> 00:17:18,302 They subpoenaed him... At the very last second, 387 00:17:18,371 --> 00:17:19,303 they cut him. 388 00:17:19,339 --> 00:17:21,572 He was the park manager for 14 years. 389 00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:23,441 He had a lot to say. 390 00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:25,209 He knows what happened. He was there. 391 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:28,112 There was nobody gonna get hurt in this. 392 00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:29,625 Man: The former manager of maldonado's 393 00:17:29,649 --> 00:17:32,294 roadside zoo spoke out Wednesday. 394 00:17:32,318 --> 00:17:34,519 Did Joe do wrong? Yeah, I'm sure he did wrong. 395 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:39,057 He did sell cubs. He did transport cubs. 396 00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:40,658 Um, the murder-for-hire thing, 397 00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:42,138 I don't think it ever would have went this far 398 00:17:42,162 --> 00:17:43,327 without somebody pushing it. 399 00:17:44,964 --> 00:17:48,398 One of the most important pieces to this entire case 400 00:17:48,435 --> 00:17:49,867 is the murder-for-hire 401 00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:51,335 and the $3,000 payment. - Yes. 402 00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:52,803 - Yes. - Tell me about that. 403 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:55,918 - Bull[bleep]. - Tell me why. Tell me why. 404 00:17:55,942 --> 00:18:00,478 It is bull[Bleep]... okay, so, Allen, the hit man, right? 405 00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:03,526 He just was a hot mess, and he worked for Jeff, 406 00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:05,550 and he made sure everybody knew he worked for Jeff. 407 00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:07,752 Him and Joseph went at it all the time, 408 00:18:07,887 --> 00:18:10,332 because he was just... He hated Joe. 409 00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:14,424 - So the $3,000 payment. - The $3,000 410 00:18:14,461 --> 00:18:16,739 was... really, it was just money to make him go home. 411 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,096 Allen asked me to get the ticket, like, he was like, 412 00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:20,142 'cause I fly all the time, 413 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:22,611 so it was like I got the ticket for him. 414 00:18:22,635 --> 00:18:24,080 And the plane ticket was from where to where? 415 00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:27,149 Oklahoma city to I want to say south Carolina. 416 00:18:27,173 --> 00:18:29,907 It's like, hey, please go. Here's some cash. 417 00:18:30,042 --> 00:18:31,387 Get you through till you get a next job. 418 00:18:31,411 --> 00:18:32,688 - Take care, have a nice day. - Yeah. 419 00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:34,623 And that was Jeff told Joseph. 420 00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:35,713 That's what Jeff told... 421 00:18:35,782 --> 00:18:38,315 Jeff told him to give him the money to get him out. 422 00:18:38,351 --> 00:18:40,184 Jeff couldn't stand the two of them fighting. 423 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:41,497 Narrator: There are two different stories 424 00:18:41,521 --> 00:18:44,767 about the $3,000 that Allen glover was given. 425 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:46,723 The $3,000 was a loan. 426 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,038 Allen was gonna pay it back when he went home. 427 00:18:49,062 --> 00:18:51,929 Narrator: But the prosecution said it was evidence of a crime. 428 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:55,533 And so at no time, you never heard Joe talking about 429 00:18:55,668 --> 00:18:58,135 giving him money to go down to Florida, 430 00:18:58,204 --> 00:19:00,516 hey, kill Carole for $3,000. 431 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:03,407 He never ever... he's gonna give this mook who can't even 432 00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:05,988 walk across the trail... to his trailer without falling down 433 00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:07,145 and cracking his melon open? 434 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,613 You're gonna give him three grand to go kill somebody? 435 00:19:09,682 --> 00:19:11,148 And Allen didn't even go to Florida. 436 00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:12,664 - He went to south Carolina. - No! No! 437 00:19:12,752 --> 00:19:13,863 Got... got... 438 00:19:13,887 --> 00:19:16,087 He was on the beach! All of a sudden, 439 00:19:16,222 --> 00:19:18,000 July, Jeff and Allen decide, 440 00:19:18,024 --> 00:19:22,138 oh, well, Allen got paid $3,000 cash 441 00:19:22,162 --> 00:19:24,273 to go... to go kill this woman. 442 00:19:24,297 --> 00:19:27,076 Narrator: Jeff lowe releases audio recordings 443 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:29,400 to the media after Joe's conviction. 444 00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:56,438 Jeff lowe is the one who provided the money. 445 00:19:56,462 --> 00:19:57,907 You know, at that point, 446 00:19:57,931 --> 00:20:00,665 this park was no longer in Joe's control. 447 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,066 It was in Jeff's control. 448 00:20:02,135 --> 00:20:06,403 So how does the owner of the park essentially walk away 449 00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:07,738 scot-free? 450 00:20:09,209 --> 00:20:11,275 Hernandez: Jeff lowe was after the zoo... 451 00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:13,076 That was in the design. 452 00:20:13,112 --> 00:20:15,145 Second, the opportunity presented itself 453 00:20:15,215 --> 00:20:17,347 when he got arrested. 454 00:20:17,383 --> 00:20:18,994 I think he cut a deal with 455 00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:20,863 the agents while he was in Las Vegas, 456 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:23,954 which explains why his case has not proceeded. 457 00:20:24,023 --> 00:20:26,090 If I deliver for you, government, 458 00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:29,805 you're not gonna file the case against me. 459 00:20:29,829 --> 00:20:31,962 So that's why you dance with the devil, 460 00:20:32,031 --> 00:20:34,365 to work off your own case. 461 00:20:36,102 --> 00:20:37,780 There's more and more evidence that Carole Baskin 462 00:20:37,804 --> 00:20:40,037 was in on it with Jeff lowe. 463 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:42,974 We do know that lowe was cooperating with the government 464 00:20:43,109 --> 00:20:46,043 and may have accepted a plea deal in exchange for 465 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,445 his cooperation. 466 00:20:48,481 --> 00:20:49,692 He's a prior felon. 467 00:20:49,716 --> 00:20:52,628 If he goes down for a felon in possession of arms, 468 00:20:52,652 --> 00:20:55,164 that's just five years flat. 469 00:20:55,188 --> 00:20:57,254 Throughout this trial, Joe maintained 470 00:20:57,290 --> 00:21:00,191 that Jeff lowe set him up. 471 00:21:00,326 --> 00:21:03,794 I didn't feel there was any collusion whatsoever to, quote, 472 00:21:03,929 --> 00:21:06,508 get him to hire someone to kill her. 473 00:21:06,532 --> 00:21:08,043 Yeretsian: There were so many different individuals 474 00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:09,600 that hated him, and it made sense, 475 00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:12,469 for him to go away, that they all worked together. 476 00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:15,584 Jeff lowe said it, gotcha. 477 00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:18,676 Well, I've got it all, Joe, this much, I have it. 478 00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:21,545 You're [bleep]. You are so [bleep]. 479 00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:32,223 Narrator: The jury deliberates for four hours in the case 480 00:21:32,358 --> 00:21:36,527 against Joe maldonado-passage, aka Joe exotic. 481 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:40,897 Jury came back, finding Joseph maldonado-passage 482 00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:43,767 guilty on all counts. 483 00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:46,103 Buskey: The evidence that was presented to US 484 00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:49,306 of all his wrongdoings stood on its own. 485 00:21:49,342 --> 00:21:50,775 It's solid. It's black and white. 486 00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:54,645 It's paper. It's video. It's audio. 487 00:21:54,780 --> 00:21:58,048 And so we literally pored through it and went through 488 00:21:58,117 --> 00:22:01,919 every piece of evidence and cross-referenced receipts 489 00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:05,589 and everything else, and we put it all together, 490 00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:08,392 and it made a nice little road map. 491 00:22:08,428 --> 00:22:12,329 None of the evidence we saw looked like it was a setup 492 00:22:12,398 --> 00:22:13,664 in any way, shape, or form. 493 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:15,866 And you gotta think if anybody's gonna sit there 494 00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:17,201 and say they're gonna kill you... 495 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:18,935 You will stop breathing. 496 00:22:18,971 --> 00:22:21,383 You might want to take that seriously. 497 00:22:21,407 --> 00:22:23,340 Even if you think they're joking around, 498 00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:26,143 still, take it seriously. 499 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:28,991 At the reading of all the verdicts and especially 500 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:31,882 when we got to the two murder-for-hires, 501 00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:33,217 he was found guilty. 502 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:35,285 I can remember him just shaking his head like, 503 00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:36,620 [ scoffs ] You know. 504 00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:39,490 He just thought it was a farce or thought it was a joke. 505 00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:42,693 And it's like, sorry, the evidence was there. 506 00:22:42,828 --> 00:22:46,497 The law's the law, you can't do what you're doing. 507 00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:48,899 Unfortunately, you got caught. 508 00:22:53,239 --> 00:22:54,371 Yeretsian: As an attorney, 509 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,241 you win or lose your case when you pick your jury. 510 00:22:57,376 --> 00:23:00,110 There was enough there to create reasonable doubt, 511 00:23:00,179 --> 00:23:02,446 as far as the murder-for-hire goes. 512 00:23:02,581 --> 00:23:04,648 But clearly, they turned their back on it 513 00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:09,019 and decided to find him guilty of all charges. 514 00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:21,132 Passage: We talk, like, 3 to 5 times every day. 515 00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:22,578 If I'm trying to lift him up and stuff, 516 00:23:22,602 --> 00:23:25,702 I'll talk about our life after he gets out and, you know, 517 00:23:25,838 --> 00:23:26,782 what we have planned, 518 00:23:26,806 --> 00:23:28,405 and he wants me to look at houses 519 00:23:28,474 --> 00:23:31,275 and kind of get a place for US. 520 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,076 Hope is the number one thing for Joe. 521 00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:35,679 You know, if he doesn't have anything to be optimistic about 522 00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:37,481 or to see in his future, 523 00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:41,819 then he's not gonna mentally be able to stay sane and, 524 00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:44,754 you know, make it through the situation he's in. 525 00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:46,824 Joe's very hopeful that he will get out. 526 00:23:49,996 --> 00:23:51,762 Griffith: Joe was sentenced to 22 years, 527 00:23:51,831 --> 00:23:54,498 but if you look at the law and look at how other people 528 00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:57,701 have been sentenced... Pretty harsh. 529 00:23:57,837 --> 00:23:59,236 Patrick: What they usually do is 530 00:23:59,305 --> 00:24:02,105 run your charges concurrent, side by side. 531 00:24:02,141 --> 00:24:04,708 But the judge stacked those charges. 532 00:24:04,777 --> 00:24:07,089 Hernandez: 22-year sentence. 533 00:24:07,113 --> 00:24:09,513 There's sex offenders with DNA 534 00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:12,716 and a confession across the street in the county jail 535 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:14,018 that got half of that. 536 00:24:16,022 --> 00:24:18,542 That's his sentence... he's not gonna be in prison for 22 years. 537 00:24:18,657 --> 00:24:20,791 I'm gonna... I'm gonna guarantee you that. 538 00:24:20,926 --> 00:24:22,860 My name is Eric love. 539 00:24:22,929 --> 00:24:26,463 I'm from bedford, Texas. I'm a private investigator. 540 00:24:26,532 --> 00:24:28,365 I've been affiliated and working in 541 00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:30,534 law enforcement for the last 34 years. 542 00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:32,603 I have a daughter named Gabby. 543 00:24:32,672 --> 00:24:36,673 She says, "oh my gosh, you've gotta watch Joe exotic." 544 00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:39,209 So a private investigator's mind looks at things 545 00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:41,212 maybe a little bit different than other folks. 546 00:24:43,282 --> 00:24:46,950 I started thinking about it and think, the case is full of 547 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:49,619 injustices, and then Gabby says, "dad, 548 00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:51,755 why don't you look into this case?" 549 00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:53,669 And I told her, I said, "listen", 550 00:24:53,693 --> 00:24:55,959 "he was wronged, and we're gonna right the wrong. 551 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:57,148 I think we can get him out." 552 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,344 That's why team tiger was put together. 553 00:25:02,368 --> 00:25:04,346 - Jeff hoover, nice to meet. - Pleasure to meet you. 554 00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:06,147 Patrick: It's such an injustice that they just 555 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,437 couldn't sit back and watch it. 556 00:25:07,507 --> 00:25:09,506 It is the absolute best of the best. 557 00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:11,909 Thanks for coming, and what got you interested 558 00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:13,689 in putting all your time into this? 559 00:25:13,713 --> 00:25:15,290 I like complex cases. 560 00:25:15,314 --> 00:25:17,380 I like helping out, and I like working, and... 561 00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:18,982 You in it for the money? 562 00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:20,718 - [ Laughs ] - I'm not making a dime. 563 00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:24,121 I do this because I truly enjoy investigating by, like, 564 00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:25,255 helping out. 565 00:25:25,291 --> 00:25:26,724 I want to right wrongs. 566 00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:29,593 If there is a wrong available to be righted, 567 00:25:29,662 --> 00:25:31,394 I want to do that. 568 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:33,976 He's the one that brought the team together, actually. 569 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,533 I wrote Joe a letter, 570 00:25:35,668 --> 00:25:38,113 and he immediately responded with, "Eric, 571 00:25:38,137 --> 00:25:40,270 I desperately need your help," 572 00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:43,139 and then Anne called me, the power of attorney, 573 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:44,874 and at this point, I knew I had 574 00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:47,677 a full basket, and I've got to get some help, right? 575 00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:51,615 Then I called Francisco, and I said, 576 00:25:51,684 --> 00:25:53,729 "I've got a case for you." - Now you did. 577 00:25:53,753 --> 00:25:56,353 That's exactly how it happened. [ Laughter ] 578 00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:58,489 It's interesting how they did his whole case. 579 00:25:58,624 --> 00:25:59,735 When they did the prosecution, 580 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,025 they actually did the tiger aspect of things 581 00:26:02,094 --> 00:26:03,827 first, right? - That was for shock and awe. 582 00:26:03,863 --> 00:26:07,230 Right... to kinda cast that shadow over Joe, 583 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:08,231 - the monster. - And then go for 584 00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:09,878 the murder-for-hire. - And did you catch, 585 00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:12,903 on cross-examination, they asked the usda officer, 586 00:26:13,038 --> 00:26:14,638 "how many of these have been prosecuted 587 00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:16,373 to your knowledge?" 588 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:19,242 - This one. - Just the one. 589 00:26:19,312 --> 00:26:21,878 If you look at his court records, you'll scratch 590 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:23,179 your head. 591 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:25,716 We think there's incompetence, we think there's collusion. 592 00:26:25,851 --> 00:26:28,030 When I called Francisco, and we discussed it, 593 00:26:28,054 --> 00:26:30,521 I said look, Joe was targeted, he's incarcerated. 594 00:26:30,656 --> 00:26:33,101 He's not guilty of what he's charged with. 595 00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:35,192 This is a presidential pardon case. 596 00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:38,462 And when we lay out that case, we feel that the president 597 00:26:38,531 --> 00:26:42,466 will side with US and we'll get the pardon because anybody 598 00:26:42,535 --> 00:26:44,713 can be a victim of what Joe was a victim of. 599 00:26:44,737 --> 00:26:45,781 Hoover: Oh, anybody could. Absolutely. 600 00:26:45,805 --> 00:26:47,115 - Absolutely. - Absolutely. 601 00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:48,939 There's not just one Joe out there. 602 00:26:49,074 --> 00:26:51,253 There's more Joes out there, you understand? 603 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:55,924 If you go fight Goliath, you better have some ammunition. 604 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:59,016 The, uh, defense was prohibited from 605 00:26:59,085 --> 00:27:01,618 bringing any information on about Carole Baskin. 606 00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:03,665 The question here to investigate and is, 607 00:27:03,689 --> 00:27:05,133 was there any, uh, 608 00:27:05,157 --> 00:27:09,004 any collusion or cooperation between Carole Baskin 609 00:27:09,028 --> 00:27:09,893 and Jeff lowe? 610 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:11,473 They didn't even put Jeff lowe up there. 611 00:27:11,497 --> 00:27:14,076 They didn't... wouldn't even let them talk about Jeff. 612 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,567 We have reason to believe that Jeff lowe was, 613 00:27:16,702 --> 00:27:19,436 in fact, setting up, uh, 614 00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:23,173 Joe months before this happened and that he, 615 00:27:23,242 --> 00:27:25,287 in fact, had communication with Carole Baskin. 616 00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:29,179 The defense was precluded from impeaching her credibility 617 00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:30,425 with matters about her husband 618 00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:32,382 because it didn't seem to be relevant. 619 00:27:32,451 --> 00:27:34,852 Well, I'm definitely gonna do everything I can on my end. 620 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,187 I'm working the Don Lewis case very hard, 621 00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:39,668 but I'm also gonna be trying to connect the dots and help 622 00:27:39,692 --> 00:27:41,191 out your team out here and be 623 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:43,171 able to provide you some information or whatever else 624 00:27:43,195 --> 00:27:44,995 that I can find that's gonna help you 625 00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:47,131 and your case. - Well, you have 50 million fans 626 00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:48,510 hopin' you find something to help US. 627 00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:49,667 Yeah, I hope so, too. 628 00:27:49,802 --> 00:27:51,580 Well, thank you guys so very much for having me out here, 629 00:27:51,604 --> 00:27:53,537 and I look forward to being in touch soon. 630 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,873 The team's ultimate goal is for Joe to have freedom, 631 00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:58,109 and we'd like it pretty quick. 632 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,247 Appeals or writs, post-conviction... 633 00:28:04,283 --> 00:28:05,683 Anything that's post-conviction... 634 00:28:05,818 --> 00:28:08,218 It's not easy to get things overturned. 635 00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:12,022 You really have to convince the appellate court that 636 00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:15,070 an egregious error did happen or something 637 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:17,161 was kept out that should have come in, and it 638 00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:18,606 would have made a huge difference, 639 00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:20,998 and the jury would have maybe found him not guilty. 640 00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:25,080 Rathmann: I think the defense probably did the best 641 00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:27,705 that they could with what they had, 642 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,908 but now, looking back on it, you continue to find error 643 00:28:31,043 --> 00:28:32,287 after error after error. 644 00:28:32,311 --> 00:28:34,778 When you find a continuous amount of errors, 645 00:28:34,814 --> 00:28:37,581 you need to re examine that case. You need to reexamine, 646 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,094 did they actually convict this person 647 00:28:39,118 --> 00:28:40,250 off all the right reasons? 648 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,185 Or was he wrongfully convicted 649 00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:44,121 and has a chance to freedom again? 650 00:28:44,256 --> 00:28:46,122 After meeting with team tiger, 651 00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:48,658 I'm more convinced than ever that there's a lot more to 652 00:28:48,694 --> 00:28:51,729 this story, and clearly, I'm not alone in thinking that. 653 00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:53,508 Hi, everyone. This is tricia Griffith 654 00:28:53,532 --> 00:28:56,044 with websleuths radio podcast. 655 00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:58,535 If something doesn't make sense on paper, 656 00:28:58,571 --> 00:29:02,718 if you look at it and go, why did that happen? Hm. 657 00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:05,342 There's a reason... My name is tricia Griffith, 658 00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:08,545 and I am the owner of websleuths. Com, 659 00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:12,994 host of websleuths radio podcast and websleuths YouTube live. 660 00:29:13,018 --> 00:29:15,130 Websleuths is a place for people 661 00:29:15,154 --> 00:29:18,755 to gather on the Internet to discuss true crime. 662 00:29:18,824 --> 00:29:21,958 We have time, and we have the ability 663 00:29:22,061 --> 00:29:26,742 to go look in places that law enforcement departments can't. 664 00:29:26,766 --> 00:29:30,433 Joe exotic became a phenomenon, and everybody 665 00:29:30,469 --> 00:29:34,304 surrounding Joe exotic, and people started looking into 666 00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:39,909 Carole Baskin, missing husband, and then finding out that 667 00:29:39,945 --> 00:29:44,760 her husband had supposedly literally flown away, 668 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:46,895 never to be seen again. 669 00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:51,054 We all went, uh-uh, no, there is something really 670 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,056 wrong here. 671 00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:54,925 Before he went behind bars, 672 00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:58,929 Joe exotic really did raise the alarm bells when it came to 673 00:29:58,998 --> 00:30:00,776 Don Lewis being missing. 674 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,311 We have airboats, we have helicopters, 675 00:30:03,335 --> 00:30:05,180 and we are looking for Don! 676 00:30:05,204 --> 00:30:08,939 Griffith: Constantly saying that Don was 677 00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:11,008 ground up and fed to the tigers. 678 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:18,415 And maybe Carole needed Joe exotic to stop talking. 679 00:30:19,885 --> 00:30:22,352 And maybe he is close to the truth, 680 00:30:22,388 --> 00:30:24,087 but he's the only one behind bars. 681 00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:27,224 ## 682 00:30:30,762 --> 00:30:37,479 ## 683 00:30:37,503 --> 00:30:39,502 Rathmann: When I first started hearing about 684 00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:41,305 the Don Lewis disappearance, 685 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,286 I felt terrible for Don Lewis's family. 686 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:46,822 I can't imagine what it was like for them 687 00:30:46,846 --> 00:30:48,778 for the last 23 years of their lives 688 00:30:48,814 --> 00:30:51,114 to not have a clue of what happened to their father. 689 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:52,249 He just disappeared. 690 00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:55,363 He left behind all of his animals, his fortune, 691 00:30:55,387 --> 00:30:59,656 his businesses, and everything has just gone... like, he just 692 00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:01,592 hasn't come back. 693 00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:04,127 I recently lost my father, so, you know, 694 00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:07,464 you kind of have that added drive to really find out what 695 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,200 has happened to Don Lewis and try to get them 696 00:31:10,269 --> 00:31:12,002 some sort of answers that they don't have. 697 00:31:12,137 --> 00:31:13,170 It's a pure mystery. 698 00:31:16,275 --> 00:31:19,076 Tricia Griffith has been in contact with so many of 699 00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:21,923 the key players involved in the disappearance of Don Lewis. 700 00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:24,347 I'm glad you're taking some time to talk to me about this. 701 00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:25,615 This is quite the case. 702 00:31:25,651 --> 00:31:28,285 Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see anything 703 00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:31,622 like this in our lifetimes, in our children's lifetimes. 704 00:31:31,757 --> 00:31:35,537 So you had a chance to talk to some key players recently. 705 00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:37,628 Specifically, I talked to Anne McQueen. 706 00:31:37,763 --> 00:31:40,831 - Rathmann: Mm-hmm. - And Anne worked for Don 707 00:31:40,966 --> 00:31:42,298 for many, many years. 708 00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:46,615 She really was one of his trusted, I would say, advisors 709 00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:47,905 trusted people, 710 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,041 and in the end, she was the trustee, executor of 711 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:52,621 the wills and the trust. - Right. 712 00:31:52,645 --> 00:31:56,046 She had the keys to the kingdom, 713 00:31:56,181 --> 00:32:00,250 and Anne said, a couple months before he disappeared, 714 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,885 Don comes in, and he gives her an envelope, it's sealed, 715 00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:04,654 he says, I want you to hold on to this. 716 00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:06,301 You'll know what to do with this some day, 717 00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:07,325 if you need to. - Right. 718 00:32:07,393 --> 00:32:08,592 He said, "don't open it." 719 00:32:10,329 --> 00:32:13,441 And that Friday, when she called him, 720 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:15,710 and she couldn't find him, she knew. 721 00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:18,513 So you're talking about August 15th of 1997, right? 722 00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:20,971 - Friday? - Griffith: August 15th 1997. 723 00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:26,576 Apparently, Don and Carole had such a big fuss 724 00:32:28,347 --> 00:32:31,681 that Don went to sleep in the trailer itself 725 00:32:31,717 --> 00:32:32,916 of an 18-Wheeler. 726 00:32:36,655 --> 00:32:37,954 He didn't look like he slept. 727 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,334 In fact, she said, he looked like hell, 728 00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:40,624 and that's when he said, 729 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:42,692 "I'm done with it, I'm gonna go back. 730 00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:44,093 "I'm gonna tell Carole it's over. 731 00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:46,196 I'm done. I'm getting a divorce today." 732 00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:50,500 Anne tried to call Don just 733 00:32:50,536 --> 00:32:53,236 a couple of hours after he left that morning. 734 00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:02,412 And then in the afternoon. 735 00:33:04,249 --> 00:33:07,450 And then at night, all through the night. 736 00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:10,119 Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon. 737 00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:11,722 Now she's panicked. 738 00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:16,259 She finally calls Carole Sunday and said, 739 00:33:16,295 --> 00:33:19,196 "I'm really worried about Don," and Carole goes, "oh, well, 740 00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:20,542 "he does... He does that all the time. 741 00:33:20,566 --> 00:33:22,999 "He leaves and doesn't tell anybody," and Anne's like, 742 00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:25,335 "no, he doesn't." 743 00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:29,272 Carole said that she saw him that Sunday morning, 744 00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,541 but he didn't go to church with her, and she went to 745 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:34,678 church with Kenny, the handyman. 746 00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:36,412 So then Carole says, "well, gosh, 747 00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:38,548 do you think I should call the sheriff?" 748 00:33:38,584 --> 00:33:40,729 And Anne said, "uh, do you think?" 749 00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:43,019 Narrator: Carole and Anne McQueen have 750 00:33:43,088 --> 00:33:44,287 publicly disagreed about 751 00:33:44,423 --> 00:33:47,224 the circumstances surrounding Don's disappearance. 752 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,159 Anne claims Don always told her where he was, 753 00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:51,761 but again, there are several times 754 00:33:51,797 --> 00:33:54,030 when she called me because she couldn't find him 755 00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:55,532 for days on end. 756 00:33:55,634 --> 00:33:58,101 Her sarcasm about me not calling 757 00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:02,105 the police until the next day was unwarranted. 758 00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:04,219 Narrator: Carole files a missing persons report 759 00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:06,643 with the sheriff's office after talking with Anne. 760 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,845 According to law enforcement records, 761 00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:13,716 Don Lewis disappears on Monday, August 18th 1997. 762 00:34:13,786 --> 00:34:16,519 Carole says she saw him head out of the house that morning 763 00:34:16,588 --> 00:34:18,254 and never saw him again. 764 00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:19,923 Griffith: A week later, Anne gets a call 765 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:21,058 from the security company 766 00:34:21,126 --> 00:34:22,993 that says our alarms are going off... 767 00:34:23,128 --> 00:34:25,395 Now, Anne at this time was down at the sheriff's office, 768 00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:28,465 going to talk to them about Don, and she couldn't leave. 769 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,067 And so she told the security company, 770 00:34:30,202 --> 00:34:31,801 call the police, 771 00:34:31,837 --> 00:34:37,073 and they get there, and Carole and Ken farr have removed 772 00:34:37,142 --> 00:34:40,577 everything, every file gone. 773 00:34:42,347 --> 00:34:44,667 That was the last time, they never went back to the office. 774 00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:46,816 Their jobs were over. 775 00:34:46,885 --> 00:34:48,418 The code for the alarm 776 00:34:48,487 --> 00:34:50,086 that Anne gave me the night before 777 00:34:50,122 --> 00:34:52,956 must have been changed because we could not shut off the alarm, 778 00:34:53,025 --> 00:34:54,536 and the police arrived. 779 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,826 Griffith: Remember the envelope that Don had given 780 00:34:56,895 --> 00:34:59,255 Anne a couple of months before? - Couple months before that? 781 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,544 Griffith: She gets it, 782 00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:06,703 she opens it, and she said her knees just buckled. 783 00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:12,976 It was the restraining order application that Don 784 00:35:13,045 --> 00:35:15,044 tried to get against Carole, 785 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,159 but it was denied by the judge. 786 00:35:18,183 --> 00:35:20,784 It was tough for women to get restraining orders. 787 00:35:20,919 --> 00:35:22,585 Men, I'm sure, almost impossible. 788 00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:23,965 In that restraining order, it said 789 00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:26,389 in there, two times in their relationship, 790 00:35:26,525 --> 00:35:30,326 she's made some sort of threat against his life. 791 00:35:30,395 --> 00:35:33,508 I never threatened to killed Don. 792 00:35:33,532 --> 00:35:36,578 He called me his guardian angel because I was always 793 00:35:36,602 --> 00:35:38,201 the one protecting him. 794 00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:39,536 Narrator: At this point, 795 00:35:39,605 --> 00:35:42,272 Anne McQueen still thinks she's Don's power of attorney. 796 00:35:42,407 --> 00:35:44,719 She's about to get a surprise. 797 00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:47,522 In the end, Anne McQueen was the trustee, 798 00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:49,679 executor of the wills and the trusts. 799 00:35:49,748 --> 00:35:50,813 Right. 800 00:35:50,849 --> 00:35:51,747 Narrator: Carole doesn't trust 801 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:54,016 Anne McQueen and publicly accuses her 802 00:35:54,052 --> 00:35:57,398 of embezzlement, a claim Anne denies. 803 00:35:57,422 --> 00:36:01,291 Griffith: Carole comes waltzing into court with the document. 804 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,693 - Rathmann: Right. - The power of attorney. 805 00:36:03,762 --> 00:36:04,873 The document said, 806 00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:06,429 in case of my disappearance, 807 00:36:06,565 --> 00:36:08,343 my power of attorney will be Carole. 808 00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:12,635 Who writes "in case of my disappearance"? 809 00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:15,872 Nobody puts that in a power of attorney. 810 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,380 Narrator: Anne McQueen believes she holds 811 00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:27,117 the power of attorney for Don Lewis's estate. 812 00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:29,164 Then his wife, Carole, shows up with 813 00:36:29,188 --> 00:36:32,455 a new piece of paper that changes everything... 814 00:36:32,491 --> 00:36:35,992 A later-dated form that names her as power of attorney. 815 00:36:36,061 --> 00:36:37,672 Rathmann: The person who had the most to gain 816 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:38,907 would have been Carole. 817 00:36:38,931 --> 00:36:42,210 She now is able to collect all of Don's properties, 818 00:36:42,234 --> 00:36:44,200 she put herself ahead of all the trusts, 819 00:36:44,236 --> 00:36:47,037 and she made millions upon millions of dollars from that. 820 00:36:48,607 --> 00:36:50,339 So I wanted to have an expert look 821 00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:53,343 at the power of attorney and the will. 822 00:36:53,412 --> 00:36:55,878 Thomas vastrick is a handwriting expert. 823 00:36:55,948 --> 00:36:57,425 - Hey, Thomas, how are you? - Hey, Jim. 824 00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,849 Rathmann: Many, many years of experience in 825 00:36:59,885 --> 00:37:01,596 examining documents, 826 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,687 all different types, for signatures, for frauds. 827 00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:06,823 He's worked with the united states postal service. 828 00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:11,739 He wants to know, it's either it is or it is not a forgery. 829 00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:16,233 When I looked at Mr. Lewis's signature, both the last will 830 00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:20,236 and testament and the durable family power of attorney, 831 00:37:20,272 --> 00:37:25,842 I noticed that the signatures were too similar to be normal. 832 00:37:27,246 --> 00:37:30,380 If you're writin' your name 10 times or even just two times, 833 00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:33,049 you'll notice differences between each signature. 834 00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:35,385 It's called natural variation 'cause it's natural. 835 00:37:35,454 --> 00:37:38,454 And I noticed in these a lack of variance, 836 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:40,790 and that, to me, in my opinion, 837 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:44,973 is a telltale sign of an attempt to trace. 838 00:37:44,997 --> 00:37:48,131 That raises the specter of can we find 839 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:53,936 a signature that was used as the basis for the tracing? 840 00:37:54,006 --> 00:37:57,473 So I found this marriage record. 841 00:37:57,509 --> 00:38:00,676 This marriage record is dated in 1991, 842 00:38:00,712 --> 00:38:04,680 five years before the will and the power of attorney. 843 00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,751 This was the document that contained 844 00:38:07,886 --> 00:38:11,087 the Lewis signature that was used as the model. 845 00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:16,960 I created a little illustration that shows 846 00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:19,140 the signatures from the will on the top 847 00:38:19,164 --> 00:38:22,832 two samples, then the signature from the power of attorney 848 00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:24,746 and then from the marriage record. 849 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:29,305 There's just a very strong, similar appearance to these, 850 00:38:29,374 --> 00:38:32,842 more so than you would expect to find between any two random 851 00:38:32,878 --> 00:38:35,111 signatures by the same person. 852 00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:37,292 And if you look at the word "Donald," 853 00:38:37,316 --> 00:38:40,650 it looks like it's spelled with an e instead of an a. 854 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,988 And I found this mistake in all of these signatures. 855 00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:48,458 Now you can look and find a couple differences between 856 00:38:48,593 --> 00:38:50,526 each of the signatures, and that's fine. 857 00:38:50,595 --> 00:38:52,373 - Right. - But this near exact 858 00:38:52,397 --> 00:38:57,178 replication is just classic evidence of a tracing. 859 00:38:57,202 --> 00:39:00,114 What about the notaries or the witnesses you have? 860 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:03,673 I have samples of each of 'em, and I find the same pattern. 861 00:39:03,808 --> 00:39:08,878 I cannot say that all three of these are tracings. 862 00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,080 I can say that, in my opinion, 863 00:39:11,149 --> 00:39:14,529 at least two of them are 'cause one of these could be 864 00:39:14,553 --> 00:39:15,930 the model signature for all we know. 865 00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:18,399 Right... wow, that's powerful. 866 00:39:18,423 --> 00:39:20,401 So it's... I want to say impossible, 867 00:39:20,425 --> 00:39:22,070 but it's near impossible for somebody to have 868 00:39:22,094 --> 00:39:26,829 the exact same signature to a t and, period, if they sign 869 00:39:26,898 --> 00:39:29,032 their name thousands of times, but here it is, 870 00:39:29,167 --> 00:39:30,511 we actually have the same signature 871 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:31,879 within a five-year period. 872 00:39:31,903 --> 00:39:35,171 - For four different people. - For four different people. 873 00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:36,839 What are the chances of that? 874 00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:39,042 I'm not a statistician, but I think i'd 875 00:39:39,177 --> 00:39:42,912 have to use exponential numbers to explain that. 876 00:39:42,948 --> 00:39:44,113 Agreed. 877 00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:45,460 Narrator: Carole says she gathered 878 00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:47,750 the witness and the notary to the documents. 879 00:39:47,786 --> 00:39:50,920 All of the witnesses and notary on the documents 880 00:39:50,956 --> 00:39:54,056 provided affidavits stating that they saw Don 881 00:39:54,126 --> 00:39:56,459 sign them and that he understood what he signed 882 00:39:56,528 --> 00:39:58,661 and that he was competent to do so. 883 00:39:58,697 --> 00:40:00,329 This kinda can be a game changer. 884 00:40:00,399 --> 00:40:03,866 Obviously, this was used in the civil aspect of things, 885 00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:06,202 which awarded her all the finances. 886 00:40:06,271 --> 00:40:08,003 On a criminal side, it's really big 887 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:09,851 for the sheriff's office to have this information 888 00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:11,585 and the state attorney's office on what direction 889 00:40:11,609 --> 00:40:12,609 they're gonna go. 890 00:40:12,677 --> 00:40:14,637 So not only do they have the person who would have 891 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,279 done this tracing, 892 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,326 it also gives them a notary to speak with 893 00:40:18,350 --> 00:40:20,283 and two witnesses, as well. 894 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,819 So you actually have multiple people involved with 895 00:40:22,954 --> 00:40:24,821 the signing of this to interview 896 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:28,336 and that need to testify as to what had actually happened. 897 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960 We already know that there was a restraining order 898 00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:34,208 that had happened two months prior to his disappearance. 899 00:40:34,232 --> 00:40:36,565 We also know that he was getting ready to go through 900 00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:39,947 a divorce... if this was actually done prior to 901 00:40:39,971 --> 00:40:42,505 his actual disappearance, and it was part of the plan, 902 00:40:42,574 --> 00:40:44,874 it could show premeditation and murder. 903 00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:47,643 With this, there was a lot of 904 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,045 properties that were gained... Over the years, 905 00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:51,559 these properties have been sold. 906 00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:55,117 If this is actually tracing, it's gonna cause a lot of 907 00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:57,387 legal concerns for all those people 908 00:40:57,522 --> 00:40:58,654 that have bought properties, 909 00:40:58,723 --> 00:41:01,169 transferred properties... Technically, they never owned 910 00:41:01,193 --> 00:41:02,637 them, never owned them legally. 911 00:41:02,661 --> 00:41:09,198 ## 912 00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:12,067 Narrator: On June 3rd 2020, sheriff chronister of 913 00:41:12,103 --> 00:41:14,670 hillsborough county has an important announcement 914 00:41:14,739 --> 00:41:16,205 about Don Lewis's will. 915 00:41:16,241 --> 00:41:18,007 Chronister: The will was a forgery. 916 00:41:18,076 --> 00:41:20,610 Two experts deem it 100% a forgery. 917 00:41:20,745 --> 00:41:24,314 It certainly casts another shadow of suspicion. 918 00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:28,017 Do I believe he's been killed, that he's dead? 919 00:41:28,086 --> 00:41:30,352 Yes, I do. Do I know who did it 920 00:41:30,388 --> 00:41:32,934 and how he died? That I don't know. 921 00:41:32,958 --> 00:41:35,558 But certainly there's a lot of suspicions, 922 00:41:35,693 --> 00:41:38,761 and we will do whatever would be required to solve 923 00:41:38,797 --> 00:41:40,296 this case. 924 00:41:40,365 --> 00:41:42,510 Rathmann: The re-opening of this investigation is really, 925 00:41:42,534 --> 00:41:43,566 really exciting. 926 00:41:45,604 --> 00:41:47,370 I feel like I'm on the right path. 927 00:41:51,343 --> 00:41:54,643 Chronister: We're receiving, on average, six tips a day. 928 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,979 Anything that's viable, we're gonna pursue. 929 00:41:57,048 --> 00:41:58,693 There's nothing more important to US 930 00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:02,118 than bringing justice to his family. 931 00:42:03,388 --> 00:42:05,066 Narrator: All these theories about what happened 932 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:06,956 to Don Lewis and the insinuations 933 00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:10,726 about Carole Baskin has sent Jim rathmann on a quest, 934 00:42:10,795 --> 00:42:13,129 a quest for answers. 935 00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:16,198 Did Don Lewis make a business deal that went south? 936 00:42:16,268 --> 00:42:18,067 Did he disappear to Costa Rica like 937 00:42:18,136 --> 00:42:20,537 some folks think? Could Don have cooked up 938 00:42:20,672 --> 00:42:23,439 this whole crazy thing on his own? 939 00:42:23,475 --> 00:42:25,608 Or was it murder? 940 00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:27,321 Rathmann: I'm on a mission to get to the bottom of 941 00:42:27,345 --> 00:42:28,477 what the truth is. 942 00:42:28,547 --> 00:42:30,346 To be able to solve this Don Lewis case, 943 00:42:30,415 --> 00:42:33,082 find out who was involved and what really happened. 944 00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:37,553 ## 945 00:42:37,622 --> 00:42:43,893 ## 946 00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:45,540 Narrator: According to sheriff chronister, 947 00:42:45,564 --> 00:42:48,431 experts have determined that Don Lewis's will and power of 948 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:50,099 attorney are forgeries. 949 00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:53,636 All of a sudden, a 23-year-old 950 00:42:53,771 --> 00:42:57,151 missing persons cold case is on the front burner. 951 00:42:57,175 --> 00:43:00,242 Don's wife, Carole, always claimed she believed 952 00:43:00,312 --> 00:43:03,646 he flew off in his plane, never to be seen again. 953 00:43:03,781 --> 00:43:06,315 Man: Lewis was last seen nine days ago here 954 00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:08,717 at pasco's pilot country estates, 955 00:43:08,753 --> 00:43:11,187 shopping for ultralight and experimental planes, 956 00:43:11,256 --> 00:43:13,856 apparently for export to Central America. 957 00:43:16,127 --> 00:43:17,705 Rathmann: Don Lewis was a multi-millionaire 958 00:43:17,729 --> 00:43:19,173 from tampa, Florida. 959 00:43:19,197 --> 00:43:21,976 He made his wealth in the real estate, kind of 960 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,401 flipping homes, buying up mortgages, things like that. 961 00:43:25,437 --> 00:43:28,471 But he also had a passion for exotic animals, 962 00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:29,806 and so he had a sanctuary 963 00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:31,674 he called wildlife on easy street. 964 00:43:31,809 --> 00:43:36,212 He had over... well over 100 cats, lions, tigers, leopards. 965 00:43:36,347 --> 00:43:37,814 I would call him a modern-day hippie. 966 00:43:37,949 --> 00:43:39,615 I never saw him get mad. 967 00:43:39,684 --> 00:43:41,217 I never saw him raise his voice. 968 00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:44,621 Had a head for business and a deal. 969 00:43:44,756 --> 00:43:49,091 Narrator: In January 1981, Don's living with his wife, Gladys, 970 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,472 their three daughters and a son. 971 00:43:51,496 --> 00:43:53,629 When he meets Carole, 972 00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:56,944 she's in a bad place in life, running away from her husband, 973 00:43:56,968 --> 00:44:00,470 Michael murdock, the father of her daughter, Jamie. 974 00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:05,374 Something clicks between Don and Carole and keeps on clicking. 975 00:44:05,443 --> 00:44:07,710 They carry on a 10-year affair until 976 00:44:07,746 --> 00:44:12,560 Don divorces Gladys, and they get married in 1991. 977 00:44:12,584 --> 00:44:15,229 They seemed happy despite their age difference. 978 00:44:15,253 --> 00:44:18,520 They did real estate deals and started collecting bobcats. 979 00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:22,303 Eventually, they turned wildlife on easy street into 980 00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:25,261 a business that breeds and sells exotic animals. 981 00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:27,241 We've got four kitties we're gonna feed. 982 00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:29,110 [ Cat mewling ] 983 00:44:29,134 --> 00:44:31,200 They're quite anxious, as you can hear. 984 00:44:31,236 --> 00:44:33,514 Rathmann: Don cared greatly for his cats. 985 00:44:33,538 --> 00:44:35,116 That was his passion. He loved it. 986 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:36,739 And he also liked to go to Costa Rica. 987 00:44:38,943 --> 00:44:41,389 Fritz: Costa Rica used to have quite a vibrant trade 988 00:44:41,413 --> 00:44:45,214 in exotic animals with very, very little regulation, 989 00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:47,717 where here, we have tremendous regulation of it. 990 00:44:49,521 --> 00:44:52,488 And then, in 1997, he just disappeared. 991 00:44:52,557 --> 00:44:59,674 ## 992 00:44:59,698 --> 00:45:02,565 Man: In recent months, Lewis's wife says 993 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,012 he'd begun to show signs of early Alzheimer's. 994 00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:06,835 He'd even accidentally, she says, 995 00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:10,906 leave cages open, and some of his beloved cats had escaped. 996 00:45:10,975 --> 00:45:15,111 I'm very worried, but I don't feel that separation. 997 00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:18,759 It's feeling that that helps me to hang on and think 998 00:45:18,783 --> 00:45:20,315 that he is okay, that he will just 999 00:45:20,351 --> 00:45:21,984 walk back in the gate. 1000 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:24,899 Narrator: Three weeks after Don goes missing 1001 00:45:24,923 --> 00:45:28,591 on August 18, 1997, Carole shows up in court 1002 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:31,527 with power of attorney form that the sheriff now claims is 1003 00:45:31,662 --> 00:45:34,464 forged, giving her control of Don's fortune. 1004 00:45:36,501 --> 00:45:39,335 A power of attorney dies with the person. 1005 00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:41,804 You cannot administer their estate 1006 00:45:41,939 --> 00:45:43,906 past their death with the power of attorney. 1007 00:45:45,944 --> 00:45:48,177 The question becomes, why do you 1008 00:45:48,213 --> 00:45:49,846 have a power of attorney and a will? 1009 00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:56,385 Power of attorney if you don't find the body, will if you do. 1010 00:45:56,421 --> 00:45:57,820 Narrator: In her video diaries, 1011 00:45:57,856 --> 00:46:00,356 Carole explains why Don wanted her to draft 1012 00:46:00,491 --> 00:46:01,824 a new power of attorney. 1013 00:46:01,959 --> 00:46:05,027 He said he wants to make sure I am always taken care of, 1014 00:46:05,063 --> 00:46:08,430 and he even had me draft a will and a power of attorney. 1015 00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:11,612 He had me change the will a few times because he seemed 1016 00:46:11,636 --> 00:46:16,238 to just delight in making sure that none of his greedy kids, 1017 00:46:16,274 --> 00:46:18,774 as he said, were in it. 1018 00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:21,121 Narrator: Carole now rules over an estate 1019 00:46:21,145 --> 00:46:22,912 worth around $7 million. 1020 00:46:24,649 --> 00:46:27,049 Rathmann: And we now know that before Don disappeared, 1021 00:46:27,085 --> 00:46:28,116 he was living in fear. 1022 00:46:28,153 --> 00:46:35,236 ## 1023 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:40,574 June 12th of 1997, Don Lewis actually went and filed 1024 00:46:40,598 --> 00:46:42,931 the restraining order against Carole Lewis, 1025 00:46:42,967 --> 00:46:45,601 known today as Carole Baskin. 1026 00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:49,071 She had access to a pistol. 1027 00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:51,240 He felt that his life was in jeopardy. 1028 00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:53,809 So the statement reads, 1029 00:46:53,878 --> 00:46:55,790 "this is the second time Carole has 1030 00:46:55,814 --> 00:46:57,880 "got angry enough to threaten to kill me. 1031 00:46:57,916 --> 00:47:01,216 "Me and Carole got in a big fuss, and she ordered me 1032 00:47:01,252 --> 00:47:03,152 "out of the house or she would kill me, 1033 00:47:03,221 --> 00:47:06,289 "and if I came back, she would kill me. 1034 00:47:06,424 --> 00:47:11,194 She has a revolver, and she took my .357 and hid it." 1035 00:47:12,764 --> 00:47:14,808 It's an important piece of evidence because it actually 1036 00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:16,566 shows that there were some 1037 00:47:16,701 --> 00:47:19,769 issues within this marriage and that the marriage, 1038 00:47:19,904 --> 00:47:22,038 it was also getting violent. 1039 00:47:22,173 --> 00:47:24,485 He tried to get a protective order, he couldn't get it. 1040 00:47:24,509 --> 00:47:26,242 It got turned down for whatever reasons 1041 00:47:26,311 --> 00:47:28,977 it got turned down... Then he told her 1042 00:47:29,013 --> 00:47:31,147 he was gonna divorce her, and she freaked out. 1043 00:47:33,451 --> 00:47:35,117 What I'm upset about is that he didn't 1044 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:36,764 come talk to me before he did it. 1045 00:47:36,788 --> 00:47:40,656 I see every day people that file an injunction 1046 00:47:40,725 --> 00:47:43,726 that's not granted where it could have been granted 1047 00:47:43,795 --> 00:47:47,396 had an attorney set the stage properly. 1048 00:47:47,432 --> 00:47:49,632 Rathmann: Now, according to everybody that I spoke with, 1049 00:47:49,667 --> 00:47:52,379 Don was not too fond of taking anything 1050 00:47:52,403 --> 00:47:55,070 to the sheriff's department or law enforcement, period, 1051 00:47:55,173 --> 00:47:57,139 so the fact that he went in to do that 1052 00:47:57,275 --> 00:47:59,987 for a restraining order is quite suspicious, 1053 00:48:00,011 --> 00:48:04,346 that he felt like his life was gonna be in danger. 1054 00:48:04,382 --> 00:48:07,149 How many protective orders do you see filed by a man against 1055 00:48:07,185 --> 00:48:09,597 the wife? I've never seen one in 30 years as a lawyer. 1056 00:48:09,621 --> 00:48:10,621 And then he disappears. 1057 00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:16,092 Rathmann: August 20th of 1997, 1058 00:48:16,227 --> 00:48:19,340 Don Lewis's Van was found at the pilot country airport, 1059 00:48:19,364 --> 00:48:21,564 which is in north of tampa. 1060 00:48:21,699 --> 00:48:24,500 So this Van was found about a day after Don Lewis 1061 00:48:24,635 --> 00:48:26,013 was reported missing. 1062 00:48:26,037 --> 00:48:28,549 A lot of the theories that were circulating with the Van 1063 00:48:28,573 --> 00:48:30,773 being left at the airport is that Don went ahead and got 1064 00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:33,375 in a private plane and flew to Costa Rica. 1065 00:48:33,444 --> 00:48:37,045 Perhaps he crashed his airplane in the Gulf of Mexico. 1066 00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:39,448 Narrator: When they find Don's Van, 1067 00:48:39,583 --> 00:48:42,563 the sheriff's office wants to search Carole's property, 1068 00:48:42,587 --> 00:48:44,253 but she says no. 1069 00:48:44,388 --> 00:48:46,756 She also declines to take a polygraph. 1070 00:48:48,459 --> 00:48:51,772 Refusing to take a polygraph means that Carole had 1071 00:48:51,796 --> 00:48:52,929 a pretty good lawyer. 1072 00:48:53,064 --> 00:48:55,865 Because there's no benefit for her to take a polygraph, 1073 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,336 while it's not indicative of guilt or innocence, 1074 00:49:00,405 --> 00:49:03,939 it's a method that a truly trained person can 1075 00:49:04,008 --> 00:49:06,742 tell you if they're lying... Most of the times, 1076 00:49:06,811 --> 00:49:08,210 it's not in their best interest. 1077 00:49:11,482 --> 00:49:12,960 Rathmann: I'm on my way to meet one of 1078 00:49:12,984 --> 00:49:15,117 the last people to see Don Lewis alive. 1079 00:49:17,889 --> 00:49:20,067 Dale lively was the mechanic that 1080 00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,290 worked many years with Don Lewis. 1081 00:49:22,327 --> 00:49:26,028 It was just his go-to person to fix all of his vehicles. 1082 00:49:26,064 --> 00:49:28,430 He worked on Don's Van just a few days before 1083 00:49:28,466 --> 00:49:30,433 Don disappeared. 1084 00:49:30,568 --> 00:49:32,746 I'm sure he has some information to share with US. 1085 00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:40,770 ## 1086 00:49:42,046 --> 00:49:43,691 Dale. 1087 00:49:43,715 --> 00:49:45,092 - Hey, Jim, how you doin'? - How are you? 1088 00:49:45,116 --> 00:49:46,426 If you wouldn't mind, like, tell me when 1089 00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:48,450 he had that Van in here for about when... 1090 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:49,785 And when abouts was that? 1091 00:49:49,821 --> 00:49:53,188 The last time I worked on it was a week before he disappeared. 1092 00:49:53,257 --> 00:49:55,302 I had it in here for two or three days 1093 00:49:55,326 --> 00:49:57,526 doing some air conditioning work on the dash. 1094 00:49:57,661 --> 00:50:00,729 And so I had all the dash and everything out of it and got it 1095 00:50:00,765 --> 00:50:02,042 all fixed. - Rathmann: And then... 1096 00:50:02,066 --> 00:50:03,310 Called Don, 1097 00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:05,813 and he came out here that day, and he spent about an hour here. 1098 00:50:05,837 --> 00:50:08,382 -Okay. He was talking about Costa Rica. 1099 00:50:08,406 --> 00:50:10,606 He told me that he was gettin' ready and he was 1100 00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:12,252 gonna move his cats down there. 1101 00:50:12,276 --> 00:50:14,254 -All the cats from the wildlife -right. 1102 00:50:14,278 --> 00:50:15,655 On easy street? - Right, that's what 1103 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:16,611 he wanted to do. 1104 00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:17,858 Did you think maybe he was getting ready 1105 00:50:17,882 --> 00:50:20,127 to transition his life into a different role than...? 1106 00:50:20,151 --> 00:50:21,996 I think so, 1107 00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:24,286 but Don liked to be around his kids, 1108 00:50:24,355 --> 00:50:27,222 and then he got into a discussion talkin' 1109 00:50:27,291 --> 00:50:28,157 about Carole. 1110 00:50:28,226 --> 00:50:29,692 Can you tell me about that? 1111 00:50:29,827 --> 00:50:31,760 I didn't know there was problems going on, 1112 00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:33,207 but he was afraid of her, 1113 00:50:33,231 --> 00:50:36,231 and he had tried to get a restraining order out on her, 1114 00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:39,346 and he was afraid she was gonna kill him, 1115 00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:41,837 and that he just had to get away from her. 1116 00:50:41,873 --> 00:50:44,418 You know, you don't really think a whole lot 1117 00:50:44,442 --> 00:50:46,776 about it when somebody tells you that, 1118 00:50:46,911 --> 00:50:49,845 but then when the situation came up like it did, 1119 00:50:49,881 --> 00:50:51,358 it kind of makes you think. 1120 00:50:51,382 --> 00:50:53,115 And then he tried his best to get me 1121 00:50:53,184 --> 00:50:55,918 to go to Costa Rica with him that weekend. 1122 00:50:55,987 --> 00:50:57,765 - Did he? - He said, "you'll love it. 1123 00:50:57,789 --> 00:50:59,855 The people are nice. It's beautiful." 1124 00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:01,390 But I wasn't able to go. 1125 00:51:01,459 --> 00:51:02,703 What about his mental state? 1126 00:51:02,727 --> 00:51:04,238 What do you... because I know there's been a lot 1127 00:51:04,262 --> 00:51:06,006 of talk about that. - Don was... yeah. I mean, 1128 00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:07,196 I've heard the stories that 1129 00:51:07,331 --> 00:51:11,200 Carole said that he was... Had dementia and Alzheimer's. 1130 00:51:11,335 --> 00:51:13,535 I never saw a single thing about that. 1131 00:51:13,604 --> 00:51:15,671 Don was just as sharp as he ever was. 1132 00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:18,073 Narrator: Don Lewis was much older than Carole, 1133 00:51:18,142 --> 00:51:20,942 but still fairly young to be suffering from dementia. 1134 00:51:20,978 --> 00:51:25,480 Were there early warning signs that only Carole could see? 1135 00:51:25,516 --> 00:51:27,883 So being that you knew him all those years, 1136 00:51:27,919 --> 00:51:30,330 you never saw a change. - I saw no change whatsoever. 1137 00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:32,621 So let's talk a little bit about the Van. 1138 00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:34,089 He was getting ready to drive that, 1139 00:51:34,158 --> 00:51:35,223 and it was Don that drove 1140 00:51:35,259 --> 00:51:36,970 that Van off, right? - Right, Don drove it off. 1141 00:51:36,994 --> 00:51:38,474 Rathmann: And when they found his Van, 1142 00:51:38,562 --> 00:51:40,830 the Van was released back to Carole. 1143 00:51:40,965 --> 00:51:42,831 - To Carole, yeah. - And Carole drove it back 1144 00:51:42,867 --> 00:51:45,501 to the sanctuary, and it was processed 1145 00:51:45,636 --> 00:51:47,948 a few days later. Sheriff's office comes out, 1146 00:51:47,972 --> 00:51:49,371 they find a fingerprint. - Mm-hmm. 1147 00:51:49,507 --> 00:51:52,440 Whose fingerprint did they find? - Mine. 1148 00:51:52,477 --> 00:51:53,554 Where did they find it? 1149 00:51:53,578 --> 00:51:55,155 Lively: It was on the center part of the dash 1150 00:51:55,179 --> 00:51:56,578 where I was working, yeah. 1151 00:51:56,614 --> 00:51:59,560 So that was the only print that they found? 1152 00:51:59,584 --> 00:52:01,316 Yeah, but they didn't find any 1153 00:52:01,385 --> 00:52:03,297 on the steering wheel or anywhere else. 1154 00:52:03,321 --> 00:52:05,299 The door handles. Carole drove it back. 1155 00:52:05,323 --> 00:52:07,589 Why weren't her prints on it? 1156 00:52:07,658 --> 00:52:09,525 - Agreed. - Her prints should have been 1157 00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:11,393 all over the steering wheel and... 1158 00:52:11,429 --> 00:52:12,460 And so should Don's. 1159 00:52:12,497 --> 00:52:14,462 Yeah, Don should have, too, if he drove it. 1160 00:52:14,499 --> 00:52:16,465 Rathmann: Exactly... what did that signify to you? 1161 00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:19,135 Someone had to have wiped the Van down. 1162 00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:21,803 They should have found my fingerprints on the doors, 1163 00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:24,273 on the steering wheel, both doors, 1164 00:52:24,342 --> 00:52:26,208 because I was all over the Van. 1165 00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:28,143 If Carole drove it back from the airport, 1166 00:52:28,212 --> 00:52:30,612 why weren't her prints in the Van? 1167 00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:33,348 Unless she the wore gloves or wiped it down? 1168 00:52:33,417 --> 00:52:35,684 Two detectives were here to talk to you, 1169 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:38,132 essentially as a person of interest. 1170 00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:41,356 I was able to explain why my prints were in there. 1171 00:52:41,425 --> 00:52:43,825 I had the dash all apart... That you should have 1172 00:52:43,861 --> 00:52:46,240 found it all over the thing. - And what did they say to that? 1173 00:52:46,264 --> 00:52:49,965 Not a word... they spent about 10, 15 minutes, and they left. 1174 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,366 I never heard from 'em again. 1175 00:52:51,435 --> 00:52:53,080 It's like check the block, we talked to him. 1176 00:52:53,104 --> 00:52:55,036 - Exactly. - What do you think 1177 00:52:55,072 --> 00:52:56,216 happened to your friend, Don? 1178 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,908 I think Don is still here in Florida somewhere, 1179 00:52:59,977 --> 00:53:01,877 but they just haven't found him yet. 1180 00:53:07,585 --> 00:53:09,897 Narrator: Carole seemed to support the idea that Don 1181 00:53:09,921 --> 00:53:12,966 had flown off in a plane and possibly crashed. 1182 00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:14,835 Baskin: He's really a very good pilot, 1183 00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,638 despite his licensing problems. 1184 00:53:17,662 --> 00:53:20,440 Man: Former airline pilot Wayne pimm 1185 00:53:20,464 --> 00:53:22,131 was Lewis's flight instructor. 1186 00:53:22,266 --> 00:53:25,534 Pimm's logbooks show Lewis never got his license. 1187 00:53:25,603 --> 00:53:29,671 Wayne pimm taught Don Lewis about flying, or at least 1188 00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:32,007 attempted to teach him about flying. 1189 00:53:32,043 --> 00:53:34,142 Wayne reached out to me a little while back. 1190 00:53:34,178 --> 00:53:35,789 He told me that he had some 1191 00:53:35,813 --> 00:53:39,348 information about Don that other people don't have, 1192 00:53:39,483 --> 00:53:42,084 and hopefully we can get some new leads along with 1193 00:53:42,153 --> 00:53:43,852 proving and disproving some of the theories 1194 00:53:43,888 --> 00:53:44,954 that are out there. 1195 00:53:48,826 --> 00:53:51,271 About what year was it when you first met Don? 1196 00:53:51,295 --> 00:53:54,096 1985. I started teaching him. 1197 00:53:54,165 --> 00:53:57,032 He, around that time, started buying 1198 00:53:57,101 --> 00:53:58,567 and selling a lot of airplanes. 1199 00:53:58,702 --> 00:54:00,035 Every time I turned around, 1200 00:54:00,071 --> 00:54:03,016 he was showing me another airplane he had just bought. 1201 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,285 Rathmann: What kind of plan did Don Lewis fly? 1202 00:54:05,309 --> 00:54:07,576 Mostly light aircraft... This is similar to one of 1203 00:54:07,645 --> 00:54:09,378 the aircraft he might have been flying in. 1204 00:54:09,513 --> 00:54:13,181 Single engine, back seat, fairly cramped. 1205 00:54:13,251 --> 00:54:15,317 About how many miles can you actually go on 1206 00:54:15,386 --> 00:54:16,496 a full tank of gas? 1207 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,520 - 500 miles. - But you most certainly couldn't 1208 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:20,856 go all the way to Costa Rica. 1209 00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:22,191 Nonstop, no way. 1210 00:54:22,326 --> 00:54:24,994 So essentially, the theory of him taking off from the pilot 1211 00:54:25,129 --> 00:54:26,928 country airport where his Van was found 1212 00:54:26,998 --> 00:54:29,531 and flying that to Costa Rica wouldn't be a likely 1213 00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:31,111 scenario without him landing somewhere. 1214 00:54:31,135 --> 00:54:33,869 I highly doubt that scenario. 1215 00:54:33,938 --> 00:54:35,470 Narrator: Even when Don did fly, 1216 00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:37,939 he had a little trouble staying airborne. 1217 00:54:37,975 --> 00:54:40,742 Do you recall him having a plane crash? 1218 00:54:40,778 --> 00:54:43,646 The biggest one I know about was the one in cedar key. 1219 00:54:48,552 --> 00:54:52,087 He was having some problems with the engine and apparently 1220 00:54:52,222 --> 00:54:54,001 tried to land at cedar key 1221 00:54:54,025 --> 00:54:58,272 and came up short and ended up in shallow water 1222 00:54:58,296 --> 00:55:00,896 a few miles off of cedar key. 1223 00:55:01,031 --> 00:55:02,591 And was that the only crash he ever had? 1224 00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:04,900 Yeah, I know of another one up in the panhandle. 1225 00:55:09,073 --> 00:55:10,905 Got caught in some bad weather. 1226 00:55:10,941 --> 00:55:12,819 In making the approach to the field, 1227 00:55:12,843 --> 00:55:15,711 he didn't see some power lines that ran 1228 00:55:15,846 --> 00:55:19,514 across his approach path and hit the power lines. 1229 00:55:19,583 --> 00:55:22,829 That second crash was considerably more serious, 1230 00:55:22,853 --> 00:55:26,521 and he was very lucky to have survived. 1231 00:55:26,557 --> 00:55:27,723 - Oh, wow. - Yeah. 1232 00:55:27,858 --> 00:55:29,658 I've also heard about the third crash. 1233 00:55:29,727 --> 00:55:32,172 From what I understand, that was in the early '90s. 1234 00:55:32,196 --> 00:55:34,930 After that third crash, he was done flying, 1235 00:55:35,065 --> 00:55:37,266 and he had no intention to fly anymore. 1236 00:55:38,536 --> 00:55:40,802 Narrator: Don never did get a pilot's license. 1237 00:55:40,838 --> 00:55:44,206 Multiple sources say he gave up piloting and had 1238 00:55:44,275 --> 00:55:46,720 not personally flown an aircraft for years before 1239 00:55:46,744 --> 00:55:47,921 he disappeared. 1240 00:55:47,945 --> 00:55:50,279 How did you hear of Don disappearing? 1241 00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:52,726 - News report. - What was your initial thought? 1242 00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:55,083 I didn't have knowledge that... at that time, 1243 00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:56,485 that he had quit flying. 1244 00:55:56,554 --> 00:56:00,867 So my logical conclusion was that he went to the airport, 1245 00:56:00,891 --> 00:56:03,091 took off, and possibly crashed. 1246 00:56:03,127 --> 00:56:04,171 What do you think happened to Don? 1247 00:56:04,195 --> 00:56:06,628 I think there was foul play, yeah. I do. 1248 00:56:06,697 --> 00:56:08,497 You think an airplane's even involved at all? 1249 00:56:08,566 --> 00:56:10,165 I don't think an airplane was involved. 1250 00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,769 I think it was a convenient ruse to... 1251 00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:17,284 Like, to make like I did and police did. 1252 00:56:17,308 --> 00:56:19,641 They automatically thought, well, he took off and crashed. 1253 00:56:19,777 --> 00:56:21,910 Rathmann: August 20, 1997, 1254 00:56:22,045 --> 00:56:23,290 about 4:30 in the morning. 1255 00:56:23,314 --> 00:56:25,514 Don Lewis's Van is found at the pilot country airport. 1256 00:56:25,649 --> 00:56:26,860 What can you tell me about that? 1257 00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:28,895 The gentleman that reported the Van, 1258 00:56:28,919 --> 00:56:30,786 his name was Dewey gallops. 1259 00:56:30,855 --> 00:56:34,322 He was the person that ran pilot country estates. 1260 00:56:34,358 --> 00:56:37,926 And then I recently learned that Dewey and Don had some 1261 00:56:37,962 --> 00:56:40,774 sort of a falling out about some airplanes 1262 00:56:40,798 --> 00:56:43,698 that were on consignment at Dewey's airport, 1263 00:56:43,734 --> 00:56:47,403 and that some airplanes or an airplane was sold at 1264 00:56:47,538 --> 00:56:50,472 a considerable loss, and Don was upset about it. 1265 00:56:50,607 --> 00:56:53,608 And because of that, he pulled what airplanes he had from 1266 00:56:53,677 --> 00:56:57,479 the airport and vowed to never return to that airport again. 1267 00:56:57,548 --> 00:56:59,681 Based on other people that knew Don, 1268 00:56:59,717 --> 00:57:02,929 they said absolutely no way he would have set foot on 1269 00:57:02,953 --> 00:57:04,798 that airport. 1270 00:57:04,822 --> 00:57:06,400 Rathmann: If Don Lewis had a falling out 1271 00:57:06,424 --> 00:57:09,425 with somebody at that airport, a couple $100,000 were lost, 1272 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,494 and that wasn't the airport he typically went to, 1273 00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:15,030 then why was his Van there? 1274 00:57:15,165 --> 00:57:17,744 Seems to me like somebody's just trying to set the stage to 1275 00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:20,280 distract from the real investigation or where 1276 00:57:20,304 --> 00:57:21,544 they really need to be looking. 1277 00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:29,911 Right now, we are headed to go see Mr. Joe Fritz. 1278 00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:34,383 Used to be one of Don Lewis's attorneys. 1279 00:57:34,518 --> 00:57:37,385 He actually has claimed to have 1280 00:57:37,455 --> 00:57:40,121 heard what happened to Don Lewis. 1281 00:57:40,157 --> 00:57:46,328 ## 1282 00:57:46,397 --> 00:57:50,310 ## 1283 00:57:50,334 --> 00:57:51,244 How do you know Don Lewis? 1284 00:57:51,268 --> 00:57:53,001 How long have you guys known each other? 1285 00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,737 Before he went missing? 1286 00:57:55,773 --> 00:57:58,139 Probably 8, 10 years. 1287 00:57:58,175 --> 00:58:00,275 So clearly, you guys built a friendship over that 1288 00:58:00,410 --> 00:58:02,189 ten years. - Oh, hell yeah. 1289 00:58:02,213 --> 00:58:05,747 I have pictures of my son and I out at his place 1290 00:58:05,783 --> 00:58:08,750 and my son covered up in bobcats. 1291 00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:12,354 When was the last time you recall seeing Don Lewis alive? 1292 00:58:12,423 --> 00:58:15,023 It would've been within 10 days of his disappearance. 1293 00:58:15,092 --> 00:58:17,759 Did you know that he was having issues with Carole? 1294 00:58:17,895 --> 00:58:21,229 The only thing I remember was I was in that era 1295 00:58:21,265 --> 00:58:23,965 asked who would I recommend as a divorce attorney? 1296 00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:26,034 So he asked you for a recommendation? 1297 00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:27,569 No, he did not. Anne McQueen did. 1298 00:58:27,638 --> 00:58:29,170 Anne McQueen did. Okay. 1299 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,239 What do you think happened to your friend Don? 1300 00:58:31,275 --> 00:58:33,107 I had heard that he got strangled with 1301 00:58:33,143 --> 00:58:35,277 an electric cord from the back seat of this airplane 1302 00:58:36,847 --> 00:58:39,181 with somebody else flying and got dumped out over the Gulf. 1303 00:58:45,422 --> 00:58:48,456 Narrator: Don Lewis's lawyer just dropped a bombshell. 1304 00:58:48,492 --> 00:58:51,259 He claims Don didn't fly off into the sunset. 1305 00:58:51,295 --> 00:58:53,194 He heard that Don was strangled with 1306 00:58:53,264 --> 00:58:56,264 an electric cord and dumped into the Gulf of Mexico. 1307 00:58:56,333 --> 00:58:58,600 First of all, I heard it from two different sources. 1308 00:58:58,636 --> 00:59:03,005 It kind of fits the scenario because he was a pilot. 1309 00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:06,119 He'd owned planes. Um, he'd had a license. 1310 00:59:06,143 --> 00:59:07,275 He lost his license. 1311 00:59:07,311 --> 00:59:10,211 His Van is at country pilot estates. 1312 00:59:10,247 --> 00:59:12,480 It's an unmanned airport. 1313 00:59:12,516 --> 00:59:14,950 Nobody logs you in, nobody logs you out. 1314 00:59:15,019 --> 00:59:18,487 It's not unusual for somebody to take off in a plane. 1315 00:59:18,622 --> 00:59:21,289 So it all fits together. 1316 00:59:21,325 --> 00:59:25,360 He got lured up there to do a great deal on an airplane. 1317 00:59:25,429 --> 00:59:27,362 He showed up. 1318 00:59:27,431 --> 00:59:30,565 Our sheriff chronister says more than one person's involved. 1319 00:59:30,634 --> 00:59:32,500 Yes, he's right. 1320 00:59:32,536 --> 00:59:35,704 No question in my mind that this was a murder. 1321 00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,240 The question is, is who did it and who was behind it? 1322 00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:42,956 Rathmann: Is it even possible to throw somebody out in flight? 1323 00:59:42,980 --> 00:59:44,691 If you had to open that door, 1324 00:59:44,715 --> 00:59:48,650 going against 120, 140 knots and trying to force that door 1325 00:59:48,785 --> 00:59:51,320 open and push out a person that you would say, 1326 00:59:51,455 --> 00:59:53,454 at least weighed 150, 160 pounds, 1327 00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:54,970 that would have been very challenging. 1328 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,193 Narrator: A lot of Don Lewis's friends support the idea 1329 00:59:59,229 --> 01:00:02,175 that Don and Carole's marriage was coming to an end. 1330 01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:04,399 So Jim digs in with tricia Griffith, 1331 01:00:04,534 --> 01:00:08,670 who has recently unearthed an odd letter that Carole wrote 1332 01:00:08,805 --> 01:00:11,506 to Don's ex-wife in 1990. 1333 01:00:12,809 --> 01:00:16,077 I am good... my eyes are kind of rolling back in my head like 1334 01:00:16,146 --> 01:00:18,191 a slot machine because I've been 1335 01:00:18,215 --> 01:00:22,950 trying to grasp this letter that Carole Baskin 1336 01:00:22,987 --> 01:00:28,156 wrote to Don Lewis's wife in 1990. 1337 01:00:28,192 --> 01:00:29,592 Rathmann: I just started reading it. 1338 01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:32,160 I got some into it, and i'm trying to make sense of this. 1339 01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:33,362 I mean, who writes 1340 01:00:33,497 --> 01:00:38,078 an 11-page, single-spaced letter to the wife of 1341 01:00:38,102 --> 01:00:40,101 the man that you've been having an affair with 1342 01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:43,016 for years? - So what I found interesting is 1343 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,353 that on page four, it says, "perhaps" 1344 01:00:46,377 --> 01:00:48,888 "I asked for too much, but I had to get out of 1345 01:00:48,912 --> 01:00:50,579 "my marriage and would have eventually 1346 01:00:50,714 --> 01:00:52,447 killed my husband to do it." 1347 01:00:52,483 --> 01:00:56,384 So she's literally talking about her ex-husband, 1348 01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:57,831 Michael murdock, 1349 01:00:57,855 --> 01:01:02,858 in August 20th of 1990, talking about she would kill him 1350 01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:04,659 to get out of the marriage, tricia. 1351 01:01:04,728 --> 01:01:08,663 This is August 20th of 1990. 1352 01:01:08,732 --> 01:01:12,646 Just seven years later, Don Lewis mysteriously goes... 1353 01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:15,582 Disappears, and she's talking about she would have killed 1354 01:01:15,606 --> 01:01:18,385 her husband to get out of the marriage. 1355 01:01:18,409 --> 01:01:21,743 You know, tricia, in one of her video diaries, 1356 01:01:21,812 --> 01:01:23,611 she actually validates this letter. 1357 01:01:23,681 --> 01:01:26,660 If I had been choking to death and the only way out was to 1358 01:01:26,684 --> 01:01:29,817 grab a pair of scissors and stab him in the eye, 1359 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:33,733 that might have resulted in his death... I was not implying 1360 01:01:33,757 --> 01:01:35,289 cold-blooded murder. 1361 01:01:35,325 --> 01:01:38,138 You've got to go back and find somebody that 1362 01:01:38,162 --> 01:01:40,762 knew her to figure out her frame of mind. 1363 01:01:40,897 --> 01:01:43,298 Rathmann: I agree with you, and I'm definitely gonna see 1364 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,133 what I can do about finding someone back in 1365 01:01:45,169 --> 01:01:48,236 that time that would have known her to really be able to 1366 01:01:48,371 --> 01:01:52,106 speak to her behavior, her mannerisms, 1367 01:01:52,142 --> 01:01:54,287 her thought process. 1368 01:01:54,311 --> 01:01:56,578 Narrator: Carole may have been itchin' to get 1369 01:01:56,647 --> 01:01:59,092 out of her abusive marriage with Michael murdock. 1370 01:01:59,116 --> 01:02:02,383 So is her letter to Gladys reflective of her mindset, 1371 01:02:02,419 --> 01:02:04,820 or was it a symbol of her frustration? 1372 01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:11,771 Rathmann: I need to talk to someone who knew Carole in 1373 01:02:11,795 --> 01:02:14,796 the 1990s to try to understand what she was like 1374 01:02:14,931 --> 01:02:15,931 on an emotional level. 1375 01:02:17,267 --> 01:02:19,934 Todd schreier is the son of Alan schreier. 1376 01:02:20,003 --> 01:02:23,872 Alan actually dated Carole Lewis about 1377 01:02:24,007 --> 01:02:25,940 two years after Don Lewis went missing. 1378 01:02:26,043 --> 01:02:29,343 Todd ended up moving in with Carole Lewis 1379 01:02:29,379 --> 01:02:32,058 and his father, Alan. 1380 01:02:32,082 --> 01:02:34,949 So when you moved in, what was that experience like for you? 1381 01:02:34,985 --> 01:02:37,931 I was a sophomore in high school. 1382 01:02:37,955 --> 01:02:41,267 Like, my dad is pretty laid back and easygoing, 1383 01:02:41,291 --> 01:02:45,138 and he's very emotional, very loving. 1384 01:02:45,162 --> 01:02:48,296 Carole is not. She's cold. 1385 01:02:48,332 --> 01:02:54,035 She's distant. She very much blatantly doesn't like people. 1386 01:02:54,071 --> 01:02:55,103 Rathmann: This seems odd. 1387 01:02:55,238 --> 01:02:56,883 There's more love for the animals than there are 1388 01:02:56,907 --> 01:02:59,641 for the human beings that are surrounding in her life. 1389 01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,509 The rules were ridiculous. What do you mean, 1390 01:03:01,545 --> 01:03:04,245 I'm not allowed on a side of the whole house? 1391 01:03:04,314 --> 01:03:06,993 So you really weren't allowed to go to certain sections of 1392 01:03:07,017 --> 01:03:08,161 the house... You had to pretty much 1393 01:03:08,185 --> 01:03:11,319 stay in your living quarter area and to stay there 1394 01:03:11,388 --> 01:03:12,654 the whole time? - Yeah. 1395 01:03:12,723 --> 01:03:14,234 And you weren't allowed to have friends over. 1396 01:03:14,258 --> 01:03:16,057 You weren't allowed to... - No. 1397 01:03:16,093 --> 01:03:18,193 - So... - Carole was very, very private. 1398 01:03:18,328 --> 01:03:19,527 She didn't want me there. 1399 01:03:19,563 --> 01:03:21,662 She was the reason I had to move out. 1400 01:03:21,698 --> 01:03:24,466 I had to live with my grandma the rest of high school. 1401 01:03:24,601 --> 01:03:26,513 When about is it that you find out 1402 01:03:26,537 --> 01:03:28,937 that her husband became missing? 1403 01:03:29,006 --> 01:03:33,453 So I think my dad eased me into it, and it was like, "hey", 1404 01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:37,323 "there's a rumor that Carole fed Don to the tigers, 1405 01:03:37,347 --> 01:03:39,414 "and it's just... it's satire. 1406 01:03:39,549 --> 01:03:44,352 It's outrageous, but whatever you do, don't ever bring it up." 1407 01:03:44,388 --> 01:03:46,154 You know, I think Carole's a bitch. 1408 01:03:46,223 --> 01:03:48,401 I don't think Carole killed her husband. 1409 01:03:48,425 --> 01:03:50,358 If you had to guess, in your best guess, 1410 01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:52,293 what do you think would have happened to him? 1411 01:03:52,362 --> 01:03:55,030 I think you should be spending time in Costa Rica. 1412 01:03:55,165 --> 01:03:58,700 There was a lot of land, and I think the end goal was 1413 01:03:58,769 --> 01:04:00,246 Costa Rica, and he had a lot of 1414 01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:02,837 affiliation in Costa Rica, and so I think 1415 01:04:02,906 --> 01:04:04,706 there's answers in Costa Rica. 1416 01:04:04,775 --> 01:04:06,820 So your dad... Is there any way at all 1417 01:04:06,844 --> 01:04:08,376 you could facilitate this meeting? 1418 01:04:08,445 --> 01:04:10,645 Connect... - I'll give him a call, 1419 01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:12,292 see if I can put you guys together. 1420 01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:14,382 I really wanted to speak with Alan schreier 1421 01:04:14,418 --> 01:04:16,317 because he can really give me some insight. 1422 01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:17,946 Not to mention at some point or another, 1423 01:04:17,988 --> 01:04:20,555 he's gonna have to ask her, "what happened to your husband?" 1424 01:04:21,592 --> 01:04:23,457 - Come on in. - Hey, Alan, how are you? 1425 01:04:23,493 --> 01:04:25,171 - Good, how are you? - Good. Pleasure to meet you. 1426 01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:28,329 - Likewise. - You met Carole in 1999, right? 1427 01:04:28,398 --> 01:04:30,932 - Alan: Correct. - How did you guys meet? 1428 01:04:30,968 --> 01:04:34,536 I was on a lot of dating apps, and match.Com. 1429 01:04:34,671 --> 01:04:36,182 She answered it. 1430 01:04:36,206 --> 01:04:38,251 So she called me up and she says, "if you want to see" 1431 01:04:38,275 --> 01:04:39,474 "what I look like, 1432 01:04:39,609 --> 01:04:42,544 "you can buy this week's edition of people magazine. 1433 01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:43,879 I'm the featured article." 1434 01:04:44,014 --> 01:04:45,525 So at first I thought it was one of 1435 01:04:45,549 --> 01:04:47,193 my friends screwin' around with me, 'cause we're 1436 01:04:47,217 --> 01:04:48,483 practical jokers. - Right. 1437 01:04:48,552 --> 01:04:50,730 But I found that it was the truth. 1438 01:04:50,754 --> 01:04:53,021 So we met, and we hit it off. 1439 01:04:53,090 --> 01:04:55,222 And what... you were in the real estate world, right? 1440 01:04:55,259 --> 01:04:57,358 Yeah, I owned about 50 or 60 homes. 1441 01:04:57,394 --> 01:04:58,693 - Okay. - I'd buy and fix them, 1442 01:04:58,828 --> 01:04:59,894 sell them or rent them. 1443 01:04:59,930 --> 01:05:03,409 Carole, she was the smartest person I ever met. 1444 01:05:03,433 --> 01:05:05,712 You know, when you make money and you... and you do things, 1445 01:05:05,736 --> 01:05:07,213 people try to take it from you. - Mm-hmm. 1446 01:05:07,237 --> 01:05:08,703 A lot of people came at her with 1447 01:05:08,838 --> 01:05:11,373 some really frivolous lawsuits and so forth. 1448 01:05:11,508 --> 01:05:15,243 She was 19 and 0 or 20 and 0 in the court beating these people. 1449 01:05:15,378 --> 01:05:16,990 She wouldn't hire an attorney and pay him. 1450 01:05:17,014 --> 01:05:20,314 She researched it, read it, and did it herself. 1451 01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:22,362 I think she's ruthless in her business. 1452 01:05:22,386 --> 01:05:25,653 If you get in her way, she's gonna come after you. 1453 01:05:25,689 --> 01:05:27,656 About how long into your relationship with her 1454 01:05:27,791 --> 01:05:29,791 did she talk about Don? 1455 01:05:29,926 --> 01:05:31,592 Shortly thereafter, you know, 1456 01:05:31,662 --> 01:05:33,439 everybody was asking, everybody read that article... 1457 01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:34,707 I don't know if you ever saw that article 1458 01:05:34,731 --> 01:05:37,432 in the people magazine... Did she feed him to the tigers 1459 01:05:37,534 --> 01:05:39,178 and so forth and so on? 1460 01:05:39,202 --> 01:05:40,246 And you know, I asked her. 1461 01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,136 I came out and asked her, and she says no. 1462 01:05:42,205 --> 01:05:45,273 She told me he was a very unscrupulous person. 1463 01:05:45,408 --> 01:05:48,388 He did some things that were across the gray line 1464 01:05:48,412 --> 01:05:50,011 and so forth. 1465 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,280 She told me that at towards the end of his life, 1466 01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:53,881 he would do dumpster diving, 1467 01:05:53,951 --> 01:05:56,095 wouldn't know where he is, and she had to go pick him up 1468 01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:57,418 in a car. 1469 01:05:57,454 --> 01:05:59,020 And the other thing is he... he always 1470 01:05:59,155 --> 01:06:01,822 used to carry five or $10,000 around with him. 1471 01:06:01,858 --> 01:06:03,202 That's asking for trouble. 1472 01:06:03,226 --> 01:06:05,605 So basically, she was letting you know 1473 01:06:05,629 --> 01:06:07,607 that he mentally wasn't all there. 1474 01:06:07,631 --> 01:06:08,963 Yeah. 1475 01:06:09,032 --> 01:06:11,299 Did she ever say what she suspected had happened? 1476 01:06:11,434 --> 01:06:13,412 She suspected that, you know, the people that he was hanging 1477 01:06:13,436 --> 01:06:15,048 around with, maybe he owed somebody some money 1478 01:06:15,072 --> 01:06:18,372 and did something and... And they, uh, 1479 01:06:18,408 --> 01:06:19,774 you know, took care of him. 1480 01:06:19,843 --> 01:06:21,454 Did she ever say that she was still concerned 1481 01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:23,445 for him since he wasn't found? - When I met her, 1482 01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:25,380 it was almost two years since he disappeared, 1483 01:06:25,449 --> 01:06:27,226 and we were together, like, two years 1484 01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:29,362 and three months, something like that. 1485 01:06:29,386 --> 01:06:31,586 We split up before the five years was up, 1486 01:06:31,721 --> 01:06:33,321 and that's when everything hit the fan, 1487 01:06:33,456 --> 01:06:34,789 when I guess she went there 1488 01:06:34,825 --> 01:06:37,725 and declared him dead and got... got everything. 1489 01:06:37,761 --> 01:06:40,261 Narrator: Five years after Don goes missing, 1490 01:06:40,297 --> 01:06:42,663 Carole has Don legally declared dead, 1491 01:06:42,699 --> 01:06:46,467 which gives her control over the estate and all his assets. 1492 01:06:46,536 --> 01:06:50,005 Carole told me that Don did not speak to 1493 01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:52,674 his ex-wife or his kids for several years. 1494 01:06:52,809 --> 01:06:55,009 Couldn't stand 'em, didn't care if he ever saw 'em 1495 01:06:55,078 --> 01:06:58,013 at all, and he wanted Carole to change a will 1496 01:06:58,148 --> 01:07:00,414 or change something, and so they weren't gonna 1497 01:07:00,484 --> 01:07:01,682 get anything. 1498 01:07:01,752 --> 01:07:04,419 And I guess Carole did, then all of a sudden, 1499 01:07:04,554 --> 01:07:09,557 after he, uh, missing or passed or whatever, uh, 1500 01:07:09,626 --> 01:07:12,071 Carole... they were really bad-mouthing Carole to the paper 1501 01:07:12,095 --> 01:07:13,628 and anybody that would ever listen. 1502 01:07:13,763 --> 01:07:16,209 And she's, listen, I was gonna give you 10%, but if you're 1503 01:07:16,233 --> 01:07:17,313 gonna talk to me like that, 1504 01:07:17,367 --> 01:07:19,567 I'm not giving you anything. - Right. 1505 01:07:21,004 --> 01:07:22,448 So is there anything else you could... 1506 01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:24,484 You could share with me about Carole? 1507 01:07:24,508 --> 01:07:27,020 She did not care for my son or people. 1508 01:07:27,044 --> 01:07:28,444 A lot of people she didn't care for. 1509 01:07:28,578 --> 01:07:30,578 -Your son, Todd, was about -Todd. 1510 01:07:30,713 --> 01:07:33,848 How old about this time? - I want to say about 15. 1511 01:07:33,917 --> 01:07:35,383 He moved in with US 'cause he had 1512 01:07:35,518 --> 01:07:36,918 a problem with his stepfather. 1513 01:07:36,987 --> 01:07:38,319 But I knew from the get-go, 1514 01:07:38,455 --> 01:07:40,454 Carole doesn't like people, Carole likes cats. 1515 01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:41,722 Mm-hmm. 1516 01:07:41,792 --> 01:07:45,259 Alan: And when my son had to move in, he had nowhere to go. 1517 01:07:45,295 --> 01:07:48,063 So he moved in with me... She was not happy with that. 1518 01:07:48,198 --> 01:07:49,798 There was a strict set of rules. 1519 01:07:49,933 --> 01:07:51,732 Don't come on our side of the house. 1520 01:07:51,802 --> 01:07:53,813 This is your room. This is your bathroom. 1521 01:07:53,837 --> 01:07:56,516 - He did not like her at all. - Okay. 1522 01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:58,918 She was cold and, you know, it was awkward. 1523 01:07:58,942 --> 01:08:00,920 Never a conversation... She'd be in the same room, 1524 01:08:00,944 --> 01:08:03,723 wouldn't say anything, made him feel very uncomfortable. 1525 01:08:03,747 --> 01:08:05,412 Rathmann: Okay. 1526 01:08:05,449 --> 01:08:07,060 Narrator: Now Carole has a daughter of her own 1527 01:08:07,084 --> 01:08:08,394 by her first husband, 1528 01:08:08,418 --> 01:08:10,218 and this mother-daughter relationship 1529 01:08:10,353 --> 01:08:12,086 sounds complicated. 1530 01:08:12,122 --> 01:08:13,562 Carole's daughter, her name is Jamie. 1531 01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:15,201 - Yes. - And Jamie was about 1532 01:08:15,225 --> 01:08:17,425 how old at that time? Jamie was a little older 1533 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,894 than my son, probably about 18. 1534 01:08:19,963 --> 01:08:21,830 Did Carole spend a lot of time with Jamie? 1535 01:08:21,965 --> 01:08:24,899 At work... it was... To me, it's a strange 1536 01:08:24,935 --> 01:08:26,233 relationship, you know? 1537 01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:28,614 So where was she living at the time when you first moved in? 1538 01:08:28,638 --> 01:08:30,371 On the sanctuary. - She was... 1539 01:08:30,407 --> 01:08:32,107 There was a house on the sanctuary, 1540 01:08:32,242 --> 01:08:35,576 and Carole had a house about three miles from there. 1541 01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:38,812 Jamie's relationship with her mother was very distant. 1542 01:08:38,849 --> 01:08:41,249 Rathmann: You know, the lack of emotion, the lack of empathy, 1543 01:08:41,318 --> 01:08:43,896 the lack of that personal connection with somebody, 1544 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,119 find that to be very odd. 1545 01:08:45,188 --> 01:08:48,923 Did you ever have maybe any indication as to maybe 1546 01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,125 your own internal alarm going off that maybe 1547 01:08:51,194 --> 01:08:54,129 she could have been involved with his disappearance? 1548 01:08:54,264 --> 01:08:56,464 Interesting question... When I first was with her, 1549 01:08:56,533 --> 01:08:59,734 the answer was 99.9% I was sure she didn't do it. 1550 01:08:59,869 --> 01:09:02,803 - Okay. - Now, I'm 50-50. 1551 01:09:02,839 --> 01:09:04,872 And what made you kind of change your stance 1552 01:09:04,941 --> 01:09:06,274 a little bit? - The will. 1553 01:09:06,409 --> 01:09:08,409 I really believe in my heart 1554 01:09:08,445 --> 01:09:11,880 she forged the will and so forth, some other things. 1555 01:09:12,015 --> 01:09:14,281 And what do you think happened to Don? 1556 01:09:14,317 --> 01:09:15,928 Do you still think that something... 1557 01:09:15,952 --> 01:09:18,553 Maybe one of his business dealings when awry? 1558 01:09:18,688 --> 01:09:20,822 I do and I don't. 1559 01:09:20,957 --> 01:09:23,624 I do, okay, 'cause it makes sense. 1560 01:09:23,660 --> 01:09:26,205 But the person that did this 1561 01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:28,296 was very good cleaning up. 1562 01:09:28,431 --> 01:09:30,565 20 years, they can't find him, they don't have a clue. 1563 01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:31,799 Very calculated. 1564 01:09:33,403 --> 01:09:34,881 There was one more thing she did 1565 01:09:34,905 --> 01:09:37,171 I found out... I used to have a lot of properties. 1566 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,373 And the lady said, "did you sell some property 1567 01:09:39,409 --> 01:09:42,576 in Costa Rica?" I said, "no. 1568 01:09:42,612 --> 01:09:44,223 I don't know anybody in Costa Rica." 1569 01:09:44,247 --> 01:09:45,446 So she did a transaction 1570 01:09:45,515 --> 01:09:46,759 without your knowledge... - Right. 1571 01:09:46,783 --> 01:09:48,327 Using your name? - It didn't hurt me at all, 1572 01:09:48,351 --> 01:09:50,185 money-wise or anything like that. 1573 01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:51,920 - She just used your name. - Yeah. 1574 01:09:52,055 --> 01:09:54,855 Is there anyone we should speak with that 1575 01:09:54,891 --> 01:09:57,791 comes to mind that would have some information to share 1576 01:09:57,827 --> 01:09:59,393 perhaps on what happened to Don? 1577 01:09:59,429 --> 01:10:03,042 There was a guy, Kenny farr... He used to be Don's gopher. 1578 01:10:03,066 --> 01:10:04,243 Rathmann: Mm-hmm. 1579 01:10:04,267 --> 01:10:07,268 And then after he was missing, became Carole's gopher, 1580 01:10:07,304 --> 01:10:11,539 but I knew he came from the wrong side of the tracks. 1581 01:10:11,674 --> 01:10:12,974 This is the second time 1582 01:10:13,009 --> 01:10:16,656 Don's handyman, Kenny farr, has come up in this investigation. 1583 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,992 Griffith: Carole said that she saw Don that Sunday morning, 1584 01:10:20,016 --> 01:10:21,682 but he didn't go to church with her. 1585 01:10:21,718 --> 01:10:25,319 She went to church with Kenny, the handyman. 1586 01:10:25,355 --> 01:10:27,266 - Thank you again, Alan. - All right, you take care. 1587 01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:28,890 - Have yourself a great day. - All right. 1588 01:10:31,962 --> 01:10:34,042 Rathmann: Alan said Carole made a transaction without 1589 01:10:34,097 --> 01:10:36,664 his knowledge, but I can't find a record of it. 1590 01:10:37,967 --> 01:10:39,033 After talking to Alan, 1591 01:10:39,168 --> 01:10:41,902 it's clear I need to look at Kenny farr more closely, 1592 01:10:41,972 --> 01:10:44,705 and tricia lets me know that she dug up some more documents 1593 01:10:44,774 --> 01:10:46,074 that are very intriguing. 1594 01:10:47,977 --> 01:10:51,712 Carole and Kenny were close, very close. 1595 01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:55,494 Shortly after Don went missing, 1596 01:10:55,518 --> 01:10:59,765 she sold him all of this very valuable property, 1597 01:10:59,789 --> 01:11:02,323 money-generating property. 1598 01:11:02,392 --> 01:11:05,504 And he gets three properties for a total of $9,080. 1599 01:11:05,528 --> 01:11:07,728 Narrator: But these properties were worth 1600 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,508 a whole lot more than that. 1601 01:11:09,532 --> 01:11:12,199 They have trailers on them where he gets income. 1602 01:11:12,269 --> 01:11:14,535 Rathmann: Why would Carole give up valuable properties 1603 01:11:14,571 --> 01:11:18,172 to Don's handyman for under market value? 1604 01:11:24,981 --> 01:11:28,327 Narrator: Investigators are always told, follow the money. 1605 01:11:28,351 --> 01:11:31,519 In this case, the trail seems to lead to Kenny farr. 1606 01:11:32,989 --> 01:11:36,691 Rathmann: Kenny farr was Don Lewis's handyman, 1607 01:11:36,826 --> 01:11:38,293 so he helped build cages, 1608 01:11:38,428 --> 01:11:41,229 fix and repair miscellaneous items that would break 1609 01:11:41,364 --> 01:11:46,166 throughout the sanctuary... September of 1997, 1610 01:11:46,202 --> 01:11:48,302 it was actually just a month and a few days 1611 01:11:48,338 --> 01:11:50,437 after Don Lewis disappeared, 1612 01:11:50,473 --> 01:11:53,174 property transactions were sold to the handyman, 1613 01:11:53,243 --> 01:11:55,909 Kenny farr, for way less than what they're worth, 1614 01:11:55,945 --> 01:11:59,692 which is highly suspicious because these properties 1615 01:11:59,716 --> 01:12:01,849 were money-generating properties. 1616 01:12:01,918 --> 01:12:03,250 They had people living on 1617 01:12:03,286 --> 01:12:05,186 these properties that were paying rent. 1618 01:12:05,255 --> 01:12:06,899 They had a trailer on there. 1619 01:12:06,923 --> 01:12:09,257 So not only was he sold the property itself, 1620 01:12:09,392 --> 01:12:10,257 but he was also sold 1621 01:12:10,327 --> 01:12:12,104 the money-generating aspect of it. 1622 01:12:12,128 --> 01:12:15,530 These were estimated to be at about $50,000 apiece, 1623 01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:17,043 and he was sold three of those 1624 01:12:17,067 --> 01:12:19,801 only one month after Don Lewis disappeared. 1625 01:12:19,936 --> 01:12:22,704 He was given about $150,000 worth of properties. 1626 01:12:25,809 --> 01:12:29,410 Why would Carole give up 1627 01:12:29,446 --> 01:12:32,080 valuable properties to 1628 01:12:32,215 --> 01:12:34,481 Don's handyman? 1629 01:12:34,517 --> 01:12:36,350 Rathmann: I couldn't help but wonder if this 1630 01:12:36,386 --> 01:12:38,419 could be some sort of payoff. 1631 01:12:38,488 --> 01:12:42,090 I have been able to speak with his now ex-wife, Trish, 1632 01:12:42,225 --> 01:12:43,357 on the phone. 1633 01:12:43,426 --> 01:12:46,260 Some of the information she told me, I wasn't expecting. 1634 01:12:48,965 --> 01:12:50,365 Rathmann: Seven days a week. Wow. 1635 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,752 Trish stated that on that particular day, he was home. 1636 01:12:59,776 --> 01:13:03,511 He got a phone call and a page at approximately 1 P.M. 1637 01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:06,692 On August 17th of 1997. 1638 01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:10,785 Narrator: This is the very same day that Don disappeared. 1639 01:13:22,866 --> 01:13:24,932 Rathmann: A person showed up at the residence. 1640 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,469 She's unsure of exactly which person it is. 1641 01:13:28,505 --> 01:13:32,140 Kenny farr then left with this person. 1642 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:38,924 Rathmann: It was like he was in a hurry. 1643 01:13:38,948 --> 01:13:40,615 He was in a panic to get out of the house. 1644 01:13:41,785 --> 01:13:44,151 This is on Sunday, August 17th 1645 01:13:44,187 --> 01:13:47,400 of 1997, two days before Don Lewis was officially 1646 01:13:47,424 --> 01:13:48,723 reported missing. 1647 01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:07,942 Rathmann: Like pistols and rifles, or...? 1648 01:14:13,115 --> 01:14:14,715 Rathmann: Oh, wow. 1649 01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:32,332 Two days prior to him being reported missing, 1650 01:14:32,368 --> 01:14:34,601 and now somebody else already knows that 1651 01:14:34,637 --> 01:14:36,737 he's missing with all of the firearms? 1652 01:14:36,773 --> 01:14:38,206 It's highly suspicious. 1653 01:16:05,161 --> 01:16:07,139 Rathmann: I can't believe what I just heard from 1654 01:16:07,163 --> 01:16:09,764 the ex-wife of Don and Carole Lewis's handyman. 1655 01:16:09,899 --> 01:16:10,965 It's mind-blowing. 1656 01:16:12,769 --> 01:16:14,569 Narrator: After Trish tries to leave him, 1657 01:16:14,704 --> 01:16:17,371 she claims that Kenny farr threatens that she'll end up in 1658 01:16:17,407 --> 01:16:21,042 a meat grinder, just like Don Lewis. 1659 01:16:24,747 --> 01:16:26,725 Rathmann: It wouldn't be a first thought for many people 1660 01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:28,629 unless you have some sort of experience with it. 1661 01:16:29,819 --> 01:16:31,931 Narrator: Trish explains that it's a piece of equipment found 1662 01:16:31,955 --> 01:16:35,922 at most zoos, and wildlife on easy street was no exception. 1663 01:16:35,959 --> 01:16:37,399 Rathmann: So they had a meat grinder. 1664 01:16:40,463 --> 01:16:43,130 Rathmann: So an industrial-sized meat grinder. 1665 01:16:45,802 --> 01:16:48,603 Rathmann: It would be possible to put a body into that then. 1666 01:16:48,738 --> 01:16:49,937 It would be... 1667 01:17:04,787 --> 01:17:07,199 Narrator: Joe exotic has suggested that Carole 1668 01:17:07,223 --> 01:17:10,803 fed Don Lewis to the tigers, but Trish has a different theory, 1669 01:17:10,827 --> 01:17:13,960 involving both the meat grinder and a nearby lake. 1670 01:17:13,997 --> 01:17:18,265 ## 1671 01:17:36,653 --> 01:17:39,632 Rathmann: Did the sheriff's office ever search that area 1672 01:17:39,656 --> 01:17:40,921 that you know of? 1673 01:17:40,957 --> 01:17:43,369 So it's still been unsearched 23 years later. 1674 01:17:43,393 --> 01:17:45,159 Nobody's ever searched that area. 1675 01:17:50,967 --> 01:17:53,779 Griffith: If somebody has the ability 1676 01:17:53,803 --> 01:17:56,070 to not only murder somebody, 1677 01:17:56,139 --> 01:17:59,606 but to put them through a meat grinder, 1678 01:17:59,642 --> 01:18:04,277 there is a special kind of crazy, and I don't mean crazy 1679 01:18:04,313 --> 01:18:05,624 they don't know what they're doing. 1680 01:18:05,648 --> 01:18:09,149 I mean crazy they have no soul. 1681 01:18:09,218 --> 01:18:14,466 They have no ability to feel empathy or sorrow or guilt. 1682 01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:16,869 You would have to be lacking 1683 01:18:16,893 --> 01:18:20,606 in these frontal lobe brain emotions 1684 01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:23,230 to be able to do something like that, you would have to be 1685 01:18:23,365 --> 01:18:27,101 able to convince yourself that this was the right thing to do, 1686 01:18:27,236 --> 01:18:30,303 and you are righteous in doing it, and go out there 1687 01:18:30,339 --> 01:18:33,686 and put a smile on your face and not think twice about it. 1688 01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:36,877 That is a cold, cold human being. 1689 01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:40,180 Narrator: It's a pretty outrageous theory, 1690 01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:43,028 but worth looking into. 1691 01:18:43,052 --> 01:18:45,030 Rathmann: Trish told me that only a few weeks after 1692 01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:49,189 Don Lewis disappeared that she found a receipt 1693 01:18:49,258 --> 01:18:52,059 in Kenny's pants pocket 1694 01:18:52,194 --> 01:18:55,262 where he auctioned off an industrial-sized 1695 01:18:55,298 --> 01:18:58,510 meat grinder at the tampa machinery auction. 1696 01:18:58,534 --> 01:19:00,200 It's really important to be able 1697 01:19:00,236 --> 01:19:02,335 to check the block off on this one. 1698 01:19:02,371 --> 01:19:04,783 The owner of it is Dave Nelson. 1699 01:19:04,807 --> 01:19:06,540 I'm gonna sit down and talk to him 1700 01:19:06,609 --> 01:19:09,276 and see if he has the records. 1701 01:19:09,411 --> 01:19:11,679 - Hey, how you doing? - Hey, good, sir, how are you? 1702 01:19:11,814 --> 01:19:13,280 Thank you so much for 1703 01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:14,593 spending a few minutes to talk to me. 1704 01:19:14,617 --> 01:19:15,949 No, my pleasure. My pleasure. 1705 01:19:15,985 --> 01:19:18,664 So, uh, i'm an investigator. 1706 01:19:18,688 --> 01:19:20,132 I used to be a homicide investigator. 1707 01:19:20,156 --> 01:19:21,400 I worked for the united states secret service 1708 01:19:21,424 --> 01:19:22,824 for a little while, as well. - Okay. 1709 01:19:22,892 --> 01:19:25,359 I've been looking into the disappearance of Don Lewis. 1710 01:19:25,428 --> 01:19:27,160 Are you at all familiar with Don Lewis? 1711 01:19:27,196 --> 01:19:28,907 Did he do a lot out of here? - Oh, I knew, Don. 1712 01:19:28,931 --> 01:19:30,242 - Sure, I knew Don. - You did? Okay. 1713 01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:31,732 Yeah, I did. 1714 01:19:31,834 --> 01:19:34,434 I started working here in 1982, 1715 01:19:34,504 --> 01:19:37,905 and Don was already a customer at that time. 1716 01:19:37,974 --> 01:19:39,774 What kind of stuff was he purchasing out here? 1717 01:19:39,842 --> 01:19:41,041 Oh, he traded in anything. 1718 01:19:41,177 --> 01:19:43,355 Anything he thought he could make a dollar on, he'd trade. 1719 01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:44,845 - Yeah. - Yeah, Don was... 1720 01:19:44,914 --> 01:19:46,647 Don was very street smart. 1721 01:19:46,782 --> 01:19:49,316 So you did get to meet him and get to know him over... 1722 01:19:49,451 --> 01:19:50,762 Over the course of time. - Oh, yeah, he was... 1723 01:19:50,786 --> 01:19:51,786 Don as a great guy. 1724 01:19:51,854 --> 01:19:54,967 He, um, he was strange, but, you know. 1725 01:19:54,991 --> 01:19:56,301 - Strange as in... - Eccentric. 1726 01:19:56,325 --> 01:19:58,704 - Yeah. - You know, he loved animals. 1727 01:19:58,728 --> 01:20:00,672 I think he liked animals more than he liked people. 1728 01:20:00,696 --> 01:20:04,531 Uh, but, you know, he was always very quiet, 1729 01:20:04,567 --> 01:20:05,799 soft-spoken guy, 1730 01:20:05,868 --> 01:20:07,467 never had any problems with him. 1731 01:20:07,503 --> 01:20:12,138 You know, he, uh, always did what he said he was gonna do. 1732 01:20:12,175 --> 01:20:13,318 That's one of those guys, you know? 1733 01:20:13,342 --> 01:20:15,120 Yeah, one of the reasons why I wanted to come in 1734 01:20:15,144 --> 01:20:16,455 and talk to you, 1735 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,880 I ended up getting a statement from an ex-wife of Kenny farr. 1736 01:20:20,015 --> 01:20:22,327 Just within a few weeks of Don Lewis disappearing, 1737 01:20:22,351 --> 01:20:24,952 he auctioned off an industrial- sized meat grinder. 1738 01:20:25,087 --> 01:20:26,153 Okay. 1739 01:20:26,288 --> 01:20:28,889 So that brings me here, because I'm curious to know 1740 01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:30,291 if you guys have files. 1741 01:20:30,426 --> 01:20:33,494 We're looking back around August or September of 1997. 1742 01:20:33,629 --> 01:20:35,829 No, I wouldn't have any hard copies. 1743 01:20:35,898 --> 01:20:37,497 Um, what year was that again? 1744 01:20:37,533 --> 01:20:38,677 - Remind me? - It would have been August 1745 01:20:38,701 --> 01:20:40,835 to September of 1997. 1746 01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:42,214 Let me take a look real quick, 1747 01:20:42,238 --> 01:20:44,638 but I don't believe I go back that far. 1748 01:20:44,707 --> 01:20:47,553 Narrator: The company purges records after seven years, 1749 01:20:47,577 --> 01:20:49,421 so he's unable to retrieve the receipt. 1750 01:20:49,445 --> 01:20:50,525 I'm just not gonna have it. 1751 01:20:50,580 --> 01:20:53,314 What do you think happened to... to Don? 1752 01:20:54,784 --> 01:20:56,383 You know, it's hard to say. 1753 01:20:56,452 --> 01:20:58,718 Um, but like I said, Don was eccentric. 1754 01:20:58,754 --> 01:21:00,187 - Yeah. - So I guess at first, 1755 01:21:00,322 --> 01:21:02,188 people thought, he, this... He could 1756 01:21:02,225 --> 01:21:03,991 have just got in a plane and left, you know? 1757 01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:05,704 - Yeah. - But as time went on, 1758 01:21:05,728 --> 01:21:07,439 it just didn't... - Didn't fit. 1759 01:21:07,463 --> 01:21:08,841 He didn't seem to be that kind of guy, huh. 1760 01:21:08,865 --> 01:21:11,065 Didn't fit... no, not that would just disappear forever. 1761 01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:12,399 Loved his animals too much? 1762 01:21:12,468 --> 01:21:15,135 His animals, his money, you know, 1763 01:21:15,271 --> 01:21:18,071 he had properties and money stashed all over the place. 1764 01:21:18,107 --> 01:21:20,608 It wasn't unusual for Don to have a fistful of money in 1765 01:21:20,743 --> 01:21:22,743 his pocket, but I really don't think 1766 01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:24,523 he on his own just disappeared. 1767 01:21:24,547 --> 01:21:26,146 I think probably something... 1768 01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:27,281 Somebody killed him. 1769 01:21:27,416 --> 01:21:29,728 - Some foul play. - My gut tells me that. 1770 01:21:29,752 --> 01:21:31,952 That's my goal is to get to the bottom of it. 1771 01:21:32,087 --> 01:21:33,420 Well, I hope you do, I mean, 1772 01:21:33,456 --> 01:21:35,723 that... something like that deserves justice. 1773 01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,661 Narrator: Trish's theory is that after Don was put 1774 01:21:40,763 --> 01:21:43,697 in the meat grinder, he was dumped in a local lake. 1775 01:21:43,832 --> 01:21:47,301 And wouldn't you know it, Don Lewis owned a lake house. 1776 01:21:49,305 --> 01:21:51,283 Rathmann: As I am going through Don's property records, 1777 01:21:51,307 --> 01:21:54,019 I noticed a lake house that was sold in 1998, 1778 01:21:54,043 --> 01:21:57,444 exactly one year after Don Lewis went missing. 1779 01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:59,800 Could his body and the meat grinder have been dumped there? 1780 01:22:01,851 --> 01:22:03,384 We're gonna check it out and see. 1781 01:22:06,422 --> 01:22:08,567 Narrator: Jim follows up on Trish's lead, 1782 01:22:08,591 --> 01:22:12,059 which takes him to a lake in Brandon, Florida. 1783 01:22:12,128 --> 01:22:15,195 Rathmann: It would be very easy to dump a body in this lake, 1784 01:22:15,231 --> 01:22:18,265 especially in 1997, because this residential 1785 01:22:18,367 --> 01:22:20,801 community around here did not exist. 1786 01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:23,270 So you really just had Don Lewis's lake house 1787 01:22:23,339 --> 01:22:25,205 surrounded by woods. 1788 01:22:25,341 --> 01:22:26,952 So you really had nobody to be able to see anything. 1789 01:22:26,976 --> 01:22:29,142 Very much an ideal spot. 1790 01:22:29,211 --> 01:22:31,523 Lots of alligators in that area, 1791 01:22:31,547 --> 01:22:35,282 and that's actually a very easy thing to do, 1792 01:22:35,351 --> 01:22:37,350 if you kill somebody, to carry the body 1793 01:22:37,386 --> 01:22:39,019 and toss it in a swamp. 1794 01:22:39,088 --> 01:22:41,533 Rathmann: Don Lewis's lake house was a direct shot 1795 01:22:41,557 --> 01:22:44,325 to the southwestern portion of the lake, 1796 01:22:45,895 --> 01:22:47,761 and when you are looking for a body, 1797 01:22:47,797 --> 01:22:51,031 there is a high chance that it could be in their own backyard. 1798 01:22:53,102 --> 01:22:56,503 Most people are gonna travel the path of least resistance, 1799 01:22:56,572 --> 01:22:59,773 so the most likely scenario for how somebody would have 1800 01:22:59,809 --> 01:23:02,309 disposed of Don's body at that time 1801 01:23:02,444 --> 01:23:03,644 would be in the lake. 1802 01:23:05,815 --> 01:23:07,292 Narrator: The lake in Brandon has 1803 01:23:07,316 --> 01:23:10,250 never been searched by law enforcement. 1804 01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:11,985 The only way to find out if Don's 1805 01:23:12,054 --> 01:23:14,355 remains are in the lake is to search it. 1806 01:23:18,527 --> 01:23:20,906 Rathmann: There's a lot of factors that get involved 1807 01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:23,041 when you're talking about doing water searches. 1808 01:23:23,065 --> 01:23:24,965 I just think it's incredibly important to reach 1809 01:23:25,034 --> 01:23:26,778 out to those that are experts in their field. 1810 01:23:26,802 --> 01:23:28,135 Good mornin'. 1811 01:23:28,204 --> 01:23:32,784 Mike zinszer is a world-class water-investigative expert. 1812 01:23:32,808 --> 01:23:34,007 He's been in the Navy. 1813 01:23:34,076 --> 01:23:36,009 He set up underwater crime scenes 1814 01:23:36,078 --> 01:23:37,677 for Florida state university. 1815 01:23:37,713 --> 01:23:41,681 He's worked on important cases like twa flight 800 1816 01:23:41,717 --> 01:23:43,483 that crashed off of long island. 1817 01:23:43,552 --> 01:23:45,485 He's worked on the Natalee holloway case 1818 01:23:45,554 --> 01:23:47,621 and countless amount of others. 1819 01:23:47,690 --> 01:23:49,556 He is an expert in this field, 1820 01:23:49,592 --> 01:23:52,760 and so bringing in Mike to this case to help US 1821 01:23:52,895 --> 01:23:56,096 search for possible remains of Don Lewis is real important. 1822 01:23:56,132 --> 01:23:59,432 We also have captain Mike hadsell of 1823 01:23:59,468 --> 01:24:01,480 peace river k9 search and rescue. 1824 01:24:01,504 --> 01:24:03,303 He's an expert in the use 1825 01:24:03,339 --> 01:24:06,240 of highly trained cadaver dogs and sonar. 1826 01:24:06,375 --> 01:24:10,144 Narrator: This dog can sniff out both machinery and a body. 1827 01:24:14,050 --> 01:24:14,848 Rathmann: Game on. 1828 01:24:14,917 --> 01:24:17,584 Narrator: Next time on "Joe exotic: 1829 01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:19,820 Tigers, lies and cover-up." 1830 01:24:26,261 --> 01:24:28,106 Man: We wanna make sure that we do everything we can 1831 01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:30,130 to leave no stone unturned. 1832 01:24:30,265 --> 01:24:33,779 Narrator: The high-stakes search for Don Lewis's body... 1833 01:24:33,803 --> 01:24:35,069 The dog starts alerting. 1834 01:24:35,204 --> 01:24:37,804 Like, you're thinking in this area? 1835 01:24:37,873 --> 01:24:41,075 Leads to a confrontation with a key player. 1836 01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:45,412 We are going to try to make contact 1837 01:24:45,481 --> 01:24:47,081 with Kenny farr. 1838 01:24:47,216 --> 01:24:48,216 How you doin', bud? 1839 01:24:48,284 --> 01:24:50,484 Narrator: New information changes the trajectory 1840 01:24:50,553 --> 01:24:51,685 of the search. 1841 01:24:51,754 --> 01:24:54,020 All: Justice for Don! - Narrator: And with team tiger 1842 01:24:54,056 --> 01:24:56,156 behind him, could Joe exotic be looking 1843 01:24:56,192 --> 01:24:57,803 at a presidential pardon? 1844 01:24:57,827 --> 01:25:00,760 Joe exotic: I'm finally glad that, you know, Don's family is 1845 01:25:00,830 --> 01:25:03,763 finally maybe gonna get some answers out of this. 1846 01:25:03,799 --> 01:25:06,099 Because I have not yet rented a backhoe, 1847 01:25:06,168 --> 01:25:08,502 drove it to easy street, and dug up 1848 01:25:08,571 --> 01:25:10,137 the [bleep] septic tank, okay? 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