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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,830 Courthouses are supposed to be places 2 00:00:02,930 --> 00:00:04,830 of calm and dignity, 3 00:00:04,930 --> 00:00:09,000 where order is maintained and justice is served. 4 00:00:09,110 --> 00:00:12,570 But often, when stakes and emotions are at their highest, 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,640 cool heads don't always prevail. 6 00:00:20,650 --> 00:00:22,150 Coming up, 7 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:24,550 an enraged father out for revenge. 8 00:00:26,220 --> 00:00:28,360 You cannot put other people in danger, 9 00:00:28,460 --> 00:00:30,890 and you must respect justice. 10 00:00:30,990 --> 00:00:32,960 Your job is to do your job, not to worry about me. 11 00:00:33,060 --> 00:00:34,400 You worry about your self. 12 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:37,660 Defendants with no respect for a judge 13 00:00:37,770 --> 00:00:40,130 or a grieving family. 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,970 And a gang member tries to silence a snitch. 15 00:00:45,980 --> 00:00:48,140 You don't rat on another individual. 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:49,780 All the jaw-dropping moments... 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,710 -10,000. -Are you serious? 18 00:00:51,810 --> 00:00:54,010 I am serious. Adios. 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,620 ...Plus key insights from our team of 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,290 crime and legal experts... 21 00:00:58,390 --> 00:01:00,390 The emotion was raw, it was real, 22 00:01:00,490 --> 00:01:03,420 and it was stronger than she could bear. 23 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:05,430 ...On chaos in court. 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,100 Hailed as the must-see sports doctor 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,140 known for treating america's most elite gymnasts, 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,580 54-year-old larry nassar is about to be sentenced by 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,350 judge janice cunningham after pleading guilty to criminal 28 00:01:25,450 --> 00:01:27,980 sexual conduct in lansing, michigan. 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,920 Larry nassar is the former sports doctor who used to treat 30 00:01:32,020 --> 00:01:34,150 the u.S. Women's gymnastics team, 31 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:36,120 also michigan state university. 32 00:01:38,260 --> 00:01:39,460 If you got an appointment to see 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,400 larry nassar, people thought it was like, 34 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:43,460 my god, I got in to see him. 35 00:01:43,570 --> 00:01:46,570 He's the olympic doctor. He's a michigan state doctor. 36 00:01:46,670 --> 00:01:50,000 Whatever I have hurting, he's gonna get fixed. 37 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:53,040 You're talking about some of gymnastics top names 38 00:01:53,140 --> 00:01:56,340 in the business, some of olympics' greatest -- 39 00:01:56,450 --> 00:01:58,410 simone biles and aly raisman, 40 00:01:58,510 --> 00:02:02,680 who were victimized by this monster. 41 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:03,820 You are so sick, 42 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,320 I can't even comprehend how angry I feel 43 00:02:06,420 --> 00:02:07,590 when I think of you. 44 00:02:07,690 --> 00:02:10,090 You lied to me and manipulated me to think that when 45 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:12,560 you treated me, you were closing your eyes 46 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:14,030 because you had been working hard, 47 00:02:14,130 --> 00:02:17,400 when you were really touching me, an innocent child, 48 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:18,500 to pleasure yourself. 49 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,730 He would assault them, 50 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,440 and he would, in many ways, manipulate these young girls 51 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:25,870 into thinking that what he was doing 52 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:28,440 was actually medical treatment. 53 00:02:28,540 --> 00:02:32,280 In 2017, larry nassar received 60 years 54 00:02:32,380 --> 00:02:35,680 on federal child pornography charges. 55 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:38,490 A year later, in neighboring ingham county, michigan, 56 00:02:38,590 --> 00:02:43,420 nassar is sentenced on state charges of up to 175 years for 57 00:02:43,530 --> 00:02:45,560 seven counts of criminal sexual conduct 58 00:02:45,660 --> 00:02:46,590 in the first degree. 59 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:48,060 You're a danger. 60 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,270 Then, just over a week later, 61 00:02:55,370 --> 00:02:57,840 nassar's back in court in another jurisdiction for 62 00:02:57,940 --> 00:03:02,580 the third and final sentencing for alleged activities against 63 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,980 another 50-plus young women in eaton county, michigan. 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,920 The courtroom was packed. I think every seat was taken. 65 00:03:11,020 --> 00:03:12,120 Various young women 66 00:03:12,220 --> 00:03:15,660 were permitted to give victim impact statements 67 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,530 that's made to the judge to try to explain, from their vantage 68 00:03:19,630 --> 00:03:23,230 point, what their experience was with the defendant, 69 00:03:23,330 --> 00:03:27,940 how that impacted their life, and how or what they want 70 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,740 in terms of what the sentencing will be. 71 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,640 It does affect us in the way that we sentence. 72 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:37,480 It could be the difference between 5 years or 10 years, 73 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:40,910 so impact statements are important. 74 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:43,220 Randall margraves is in the courtroom. 75 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,390 He is the father of not one, not two, 76 00:03:45,490 --> 00:03:49,760 but three of the women who are victims of larry nassar. 77 00:03:49,860 --> 00:03:53,560 I got to know randy through the course of what occurred. 78 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:55,800 He is a hard-working father, 79 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:57,700 he is a loving father and husband. 80 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,630 Randall margraves's youngest daughter, madison, 81 00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:02,200 an aspiring gymnast, 82 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:04,470 began seeing nassar for medical treatment 83 00:04:04,570 --> 00:04:07,170 when she was only nine years old. 84 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,380 Nassar began touching her inappropriately 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,310 and sexually assaulting her during her physical exams. 86 00:04:12,410 --> 00:04:14,920 During all of my many visits in nassar's office at msu 87 00:04:15,020 --> 00:04:17,920 sports med, one of my parents was always in the room. 88 00:04:18,020 --> 00:04:20,190 So even when things seemed to be -- make me uncomfortable, 89 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:21,960 I never thought anything of it. 90 00:04:22,060 --> 00:04:22,990 Grewal: I hate to use this word, 91 00:04:23,090 --> 00:04:25,490 but he got off on having the parents in the room. 92 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:28,700 The reason being is that the parents are sitting there 93 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,330 talking to him as he is doing this procedure 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,070 with his hands underneath the sheet 95 00:04:36,170 --> 00:04:38,970 on their daughters in places they shouldn't be. 96 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:42,380 The parents have no idea this is going on. 97 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:43,740 To my parents, 98 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:46,310 thank you for all your love and support 99 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:48,180 through all of this. 100 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,780 To larry nassar, 101 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:52,020 I want you to know that you no longer 102 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,960 hold power over me or my thoughts. 103 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:57,060 Grewal: He was looking down. 104 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,230 He was in denial, and eventually, 105 00:04:59,330 --> 00:05:01,630 he was not giving any of these women 106 00:05:01,730 --> 00:05:03,930 that ounce of respect, 107 00:05:04,030 --> 00:05:07,200 to look at them when they wanted to try and heal. 108 00:05:09,140 --> 00:05:10,800 While training to become a gymnast, 109 00:05:10,910 --> 00:05:13,070 madison's sister, lauren margraves, 110 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:17,580 was also assaulted several times by nassar in 2006. 111 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,780 My mind immediately thought about the time when I was 13, 112 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:26,750 just a kid, laying on a table at msu, 113 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:29,860 and you put your ungloved hands all over my rear 114 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,660 and slipped your thumb into the most private area of my body. 115 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,800 To be able to face your offender and for the offender 116 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:42,140 to face those that have accused him of hellacious crimes is 117 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,970 an emotional state in which words probably cannot describe. 118 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,450 This was the first time that mr. Margraves heard from 119 00:05:51,550 --> 00:05:54,350 his daughters' own voices 120 00:05:54,450 --> 00:05:57,350 the sexual assault that occurred by larry nassar 121 00:05:57,450 --> 00:05:59,250 to each one of them, 122 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,020 and it was devastating to him. 123 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,060 I trusted you, my parents trusted you, 124 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,890 and now I feel like I'll never be able to trust another man 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:07,790 ever again. 126 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:09,900 As his daughters spoke, 127 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,630 I could see his body language, that he began to tense up. 128 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:17,070 In most courtrooms, parents are 129 00:06:17,170 --> 00:06:19,870 also allowed to give impact statements. 130 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:23,010 But when mr. Margraves asks to take the podium, 131 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:25,150 he makes an unusual request. 132 00:06:25,250 --> 00:06:29,220 I would ask you to, as part of the sentencing, 133 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,020 to grant me five minutes in a locked room with this demon. 134 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,490 Would you do that? 135 00:06:36,590 --> 00:06:39,290 Yes or no? 136 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,360 And the judge denies that request, because obviously, 137 00:06:42,460 --> 00:06:46,000 we, as judges, cannot allow someone to impose justice on 138 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:48,600 their own by having a physical altercation 139 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:52,110 with even a convicted person as mr. Nassar was. 140 00:06:52,210 --> 00:06:54,240 Whitmore: From a father's perspective, the role of 141 00:06:54,340 --> 00:06:57,610 a father is of protector, to keep them safe. 142 00:06:57,710 --> 00:07:02,420 And to know and to hear that every bit of his daughters' 143 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,890 innocence was taken from them by larry nassar was completely 144 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:06,990 overwhelming for him. 145 00:07:07,090 --> 00:07:08,320 Would you give me one minute? 146 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,490 Bove: You can understand that that's what he wanted to do, 147 00:07:12,590 --> 00:07:15,060 but right now, you have to protect everybody in 148 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,030 the courtroom, and right then and there, 149 00:07:17,130 --> 00:07:19,400 your radar goes up like, hey, all right, this guy's 150 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:20,970 talking stuff that he wants to do. 151 00:07:21,070 --> 00:07:24,670 He's agitated, so it's time to tighten up your boots. 152 00:07:24,770 --> 00:07:26,540 Judge: You know that I can't do that -- that's not how 153 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,410 our legal system... -Well, I'm gonna have to... 154 00:07:40,420 --> 00:07:41,350 hands behind your back! 155 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:44,560 He bull rushes after larry nassar. 156 00:07:44,660 --> 00:07:46,960 The three court officers get to him barely in time. 157 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:49,500 One of the court officers steps in front between 158 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,470 larry nassar and the father, 159 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:54,800 and also the attorney for larry nassar steps in. 160 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:56,140 Well, I'm gonna have to... 161 00:07:58,110 --> 00:08:00,240 When the father attacks him, 162 00:08:00,340 --> 00:08:03,440 he backs up and is actually pulled from the scene. 163 00:08:03,550 --> 00:08:05,780 He is rescued from this father. 164 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,410 This is not what nassar expected when 165 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,880 he sat down for this court proceeding. 166 00:08:08,980 --> 00:08:10,580 Stay down! Stay down! Stay down. 167 00:08:10,690 --> 00:08:14,860 Let me at that son of a! 168 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,060 Stay down. -I want that! 169 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,630 Who wouldn't understand? But the bottom line is, 170 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:22,160 their job as court officers is to control the environment, 171 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:24,330 and if it takes 2, 3, 4 of these guys 172 00:08:24,430 --> 00:08:27,100 to sit on dad and get him cuffed, 173 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,340 that's what they gotta do. 174 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,940 Hands behind your back. 175 00:08:31,510 --> 00:08:32,570 If they don't want to be cuffed, 176 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:34,570 it's tough to get him cuffed. 177 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:36,210 Give me one minute with that 178 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,750 once they get the father standing, 179 00:08:45,850 --> 00:08:48,190 he turns to the officers and he says... 180 00:08:51,330 --> 00:08:53,730 ,,,and one of the officers seemed to sympathize with him, 181 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:55,730 like I understand, I understand. 182 00:08:55,830 --> 00:08:58,870 Thankfully, the law enforcement that tackled him 183 00:08:58,970 --> 00:09:01,400 acted quickly, because no one was injured. 184 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:09,840 After the father lunged at larry nassar, 185 00:09:09,950 --> 00:09:12,710 the judge obviously had him detained and put him in 186 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:13,980 a holding cell. 187 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,520 That's not uncommon, because you want to make sure 188 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:20,390 that you bring calmness and control back to the courtroom. 189 00:09:20,490 --> 00:09:23,190 After I spoke to mr. Margraves in the holding cell, 190 00:09:23,290 --> 00:09:25,660 both he and I were brought up in front of 191 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,200 judge cunningham, because this would be a contempt hearing 192 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:31,600 if he's to be held in contempt of court. 193 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:33,600 You cannot put other people in danger, 194 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:37,640 nor the judge, and you must respect justice. 195 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:39,340 The judge is there to do a job. 196 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,310 The judge knows what she's gonna do. 197 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:43,140 My heart does go out to you 198 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:46,250 and your family because of what you've gone through. 199 00:09:46,350 --> 00:09:49,050 Three of your girls were injured physically 200 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:51,480 and emotionally by somebody sitting in a courtroom. 201 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:54,350 I can't fathom that -- there is no way that 202 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:57,720 this court is gonna issue any type of punishment 203 00:09:57,830 --> 00:10:00,260 given the circumstances of this case. 204 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,860 She understood that this was a highly emotional situation, 205 00:10:03,970 --> 00:10:05,900 that the father just lost control, and, 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,570 most importantly, that she was gonna administer the justice to 207 00:10:09,670 --> 00:10:12,740 mr. Nassar, and the father didn't have to. 208 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,140 After being bombarded by the press, 209 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,750 mr. Margraves addresses reporters later that day. 210 00:10:18,850 --> 00:10:23,120 I feel very remorseful, um, 211 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:24,520 very apologetic. 212 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:25,590 I was embarrassed. 213 00:10:25,690 --> 00:10:28,920 I want to make it real clear that I am no hero. 214 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:32,590 My daughters are the heroes and all the victims 215 00:10:32,690 --> 00:10:37,060 and the survivors of this terrible atrocity. 216 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:40,230 You can tell from his demeanor, from his actions, 217 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:43,470 that he reacted honestly, and his apology 218 00:10:43,570 --> 00:10:45,840 was heartfelt, it was sincere. 219 00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:48,380 Randall margraves's eldest daughter, morgan, 220 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,380 who did not give a victim's impact statement in court, 221 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,610 now speaks up for her father. 222 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,450 He reacted in a way that I feel most fathers would 223 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:57,250 have done and probably wanted to do in a situation 224 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:58,280 like this, 225 00:10:58,390 --> 00:11:01,720 but after reflecting on what happened earlier, 226 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:04,090 my father is -- is remorseful, 227 00:11:04,190 --> 00:11:06,660 and justice cannot be served by one individual. 228 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,700 It must go through the judicial system. 229 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:14,300 Judge cunningham gives larry nassar up to 125 years for 230 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,800 the sexual assault of over 50 female athletes, 231 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:20,840 some as young as six years old. 232 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:22,980 With all three sentences combined, 233 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,510 larry nassar is given a life sentence with no possibility 234 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:27,580 of parole. 235 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,020 There are over 500 victim-survivors 236 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,650 of larry nassar. 237 00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:33,990 I actually think we are in a watershed moment, 238 00:11:34,090 --> 00:11:36,520 because you could look at the weinstein case, 239 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:39,830 and look at the cosby case, and even epstein, man. 240 00:11:39,930 --> 00:11:42,500 I think sexual assault survivors are being believed 241 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,070 for the first time historically without having to 242 00:11:45,170 --> 00:11:47,400 come forward, being put on the stand, 243 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:50,700 being cross-examined, and victim-shamed. 244 00:11:50,810 --> 00:11:53,810 Dorsey: It's difficult, but it's courageous, 245 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:56,110 and it's empowering, I think, 246 00:11:56,210 --> 00:11:58,340 when others see, because you never know what 247 00:11:58,450 --> 00:12:01,980 kind of an influence you have on someone else who's watching, 248 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,820 who's saying me, too, but no more. 249 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,320 Larry nassar will never see the light of day again, 250 00:12:07,420 --> 00:12:09,190 and that's as good as it gets. 251 00:12:09,290 --> 00:12:10,620 Well, I'm gonna have to get... 252 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,500 Coming up, a convicted gang member 253 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,100 testifies against one of his own. 254 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,670 That's something that you don't do. 255 00:12:32,610 --> 00:12:34,350 In salt lake city, utah, 256 00:12:34,450 --> 00:12:37,650 a new u.S. Federal courthouse has just opened. 257 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:39,990 25-year-old siale angilau, 258 00:12:40,090 --> 00:12:43,990 also known by his gang street name, c-down, is on trial for 259 00:12:44,090 --> 00:12:46,390 his role in a string of violent crimes. 260 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:50,200 This young man is part of a tongan group, mostly 261 00:12:50,300 --> 00:12:51,530 pacific islanders, 262 00:12:51,630 --> 00:12:54,830 that is an offshoot of the crip gang, and it's called 263 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:56,570 the tongan crip gang. 264 00:12:56,670 --> 00:12:58,940 This gang has a very specific m.O. 265 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,240 They tag everything, a little graffiti on signs, on buildings. 266 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:04,740 They have a very complex organization going on 267 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:06,350 in the salt lake city area. 268 00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:12,120 Angilau's charges include racketeering, robbery, 269 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:15,720 assault on a u.S. Marshal, and weapons violations. 270 00:13:15,820 --> 00:13:18,460 He faces up to 30 years in a federal prison. 271 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:19,760 Dawson: In fact, it's a rico case, 272 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:22,730 which means they've committed several crimes over the course 273 00:13:22,830 --> 00:13:25,230 of many years, breaking many different laws. 274 00:13:26,770 --> 00:13:29,840 The fbi began rounding up these gang members 275 00:13:29,940 --> 00:13:30,740 back in 2010. 276 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,810 They got 17 of these violent criminals. 277 00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:36,340 Now this guy's in court as 278 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,980 the last defendant in this whole process. 279 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,480 He's the guy that's gonna wrap up the case for the fbi. 280 00:13:42,850 --> 00:13:44,920 So we're in this new federal courthouse, 281 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:46,790 and the drapes haven't even come in. 282 00:13:46,890 --> 00:13:49,960 Now, drapes are used for a very specific purpose. 283 00:13:50,060 --> 00:13:52,090 They are to go around the defendant's 284 00:13:52,190 --> 00:13:53,730 and the prosecutor's table so that 285 00:13:53,830 --> 00:13:57,560 no one can tell whether or not a defendant is in shackles 286 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,300 or handcuffs. 287 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,540 The drapes help to disguise the shackles, 288 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,770 because you do not want to prejudice the jury. 289 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,110 And in this case, the judge decides, in fairness, 290 00:14:10,210 --> 00:14:14,510 not to have the defendant in his shackles at that time. 291 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:16,220 Bove: Some of the court officers 292 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,690 didn't realize that he wasn't shackled, 293 00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:21,750 and in any type of law enforcement situation like this, 294 00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:23,120 the right hand always has to know 295 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:25,830 what the left hand is doing and vice versa, 296 00:14:25,930 --> 00:14:29,660 because, at any time, it could become an explosive situation. 297 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,130 And there's a big problem for c-down. 298 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,670 The witness who's testifying on this particular day 299 00:14:36,770 --> 00:14:39,970 is what is commonly known as a snitch. 300 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,740 His fellow gang member, vaiola tenifa, 301 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,410 is already serving 30 years for his role in 302 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:47,910 the racketeering enterprise. 303 00:14:48,020 --> 00:14:50,480 Whitmore: There's a hierarchy in gang, in membership, 304 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:53,650 and in that membership, your friends, your brothers, 305 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,190 there is a level of trust, and you don't rat on 306 00:14:57,290 --> 00:14:59,460 another individual. 307 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,230 It is tense in the courtroom. 308 00:15:01,330 --> 00:15:03,630 The defendant, just to the left of his attorney, 309 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:06,830 there's also the prosecution, family members of victims. 310 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,400 This is the ultimate moment for the folks in this courthouse 311 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:13,110 who have suffered from the crimes this guy has committed. 312 00:15:13,210 --> 00:15:14,840 If you look at the defendant's table, 313 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:17,940 I didn't see any security right next to the table, 314 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:20,510 and that really is shocking, because you know that this is 315 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:23,050 a high-intensity, high-emotional case. 316 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:27,890 So as this defendant realizes that his fellow gang member 317 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:29,420 was about to be as disloyal 318 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,490 as anyone could be about testifying against him, 319 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,660 everything changes in a hot second. 320 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,060 The defendant walks around his attorney, 321 00:15:38,170 --> 00:15:39,200 he grabs a pen, he grabs a pencil, 322 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:40,570 he grabs a highlighter. 323 00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:42,370 You can kill somebody with a pencil. 324 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,810 and as he is literally mid-air, 325 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:53,480 a u.S. Marshal jumps into action. 326 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:57,080 He fires shot after shot after shot after shot. 327 00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:00,850 four shots 328 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,390 that go directly in to c-down. 329 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,230 In less than five seconds, 330 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:18,400 this defendant goes down -- everybody in the courtroom 331 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:19,510 is shocked. 332 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:21,910 This has happened in the blink of an eye. 333 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,680 The judge and cooperating witness are 334 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:34,750 quickly ushered out by court officers. 335 00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:37,160 Three bullets hit angilau in the back. 336 00:16:37,260 --> 00:16:39,230 The other goes in his left shoulder. 337 00:16:39,330 --> 00:16:42,560 He dies later at the hospital. 338 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:46,030 Whitmore: It is a rarity in which the defendant actually 339 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:49,470 follows through with what he wants to do, and in a moment's 340 00:16:49,570 --> 00:16:53,210 notice he did what his -- his gut was telling him to do, 341 00:16:53,310 --> 00:16:55,340 and the deputies had to shoot him down 342 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,380 to protect the witness, 343 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,910 to protect the judge, and those in the audience. 344 00:17:02,020 --> 00:17:07,120 It's difficult to be put into a situation where the situation 345 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:08,020 is constantly changing, 346 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:10,160 it's constantly changing and evolving, 347 00:17:10,260 --> 00:17:12,230 and we, as law enforcement officers, 348 00:17:12,330 --> 00:17:15,730 have to improvise and adapt to an ever-changing situation. 349 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:20,400 Siale angilau's grieving family holds a vigil 350 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:22,600 after his death and doesn't believe 351 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:24,200 the shooting was justified. 352 00:17:24,310 --> 00:17:26,310 Katoa: I was not in court that day, and think goodness, 353 00:17:26,410 --> 00:17:27,740 because honestly, if I had been, 354 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,780 I wouldn't be here speaking, because I would be dead, too. 355 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,010 You've got maybe 10 officers in there, 356 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,250 all fit, well-trained, armed. 357 00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:40,090 They don't need to shoot to kill 358 00:17:40,190 --> 00:17:43,220 this young man who's going over a witness partition. 359 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,590 They weren't entitled to use the death penalty on him. 360 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:49,060 In my opinion, that firing of the weapon was 361 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,030 a little excessive. 362 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:54,470 They had the ability to get him under control physically, 363 00:17:54,570 --> 00:17:57,440 either by using their hands or even a taser, 364 00:17:57,540 --> 00:18:00,640 but I don't believe that shooting a gun in a courtroom 365 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:02,680 is the safest alternative, 366 00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:04,510 especially because you have a witness 367 00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:07,380 just a few feet away. 368 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,180 The controversial shooting sparks a five-year 369 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:14,490 fbi investigation into why the prisoner wasn't shackled. 370 00:18:14,590 --> 00:18:16,920 Angilau's family also sues the federal 371 00:18:17,030 --> 00:18:19,560 government and marshal service for negligence. 372 00:18:19,660 --> 00:18:22,230 Shootings in courthouses are extremely rare, 373 00:18:22,330 --> 00:18:25,160 and it was ultimately determined that the shooting by 374 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:28,400 this court officer was justified, and he was not found 375 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:31,470 responsible for negligence in the civil lawsuit. 376 00:18:31,570 --> 00:18:33,310 They neutralized the threat, 377 00:18:33,410 --> 00:18:35,340 and unfortunately, somebody died in the process. 378 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,240 The judge was not found to have done anything wrong, 379 00:18:38,350 --> 00:18:40,110 because she has the ability to 380 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:41,980 make sure her courtroom is safe, 381 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,120 and she has the ability to make certain decisions in 382 00:18:45,220 --> 00:18:47,690 regard to how her courtroom operates. 383 00:18:47,790 --> 00:18:49,120 It's really too little, too late. 384 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:51,590 Yeah, the judge admits she made a mistake, 385 00:18:51,690 --> 00:18:53,430 but their loved one is still dead. 386 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,740 penelope soto. 387 00:19:06,910 --> 00:19:08,710 18-year-old penelope soto is 388 00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:10,940 at a bond hearing in miami, florida, 389 00:19:11,050 --> 00:19:13,750 before judge jorge rodriguez-chomat. 390 00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:14,810 Good morning, miss soto. 391 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,350 You're being charged with possession 392 00:19:16,450 --> 00:19:20,490 of xanax, b-a-r-s, I don't know what that is. 393 00:19:20,590 --> 00:19:22,560 -Bars. -Man: Xanax bars. 394 00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:25,260 -It's how they're referred to. -Xanax bars. 395 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,890 Police encountered penelope after responding 396 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:28,930 to a call about 397 00:19:29,030 --> 00:19:31,800 an injured teenager who'd crashed her bicycle 398 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:33,900 and suffered minor injuries. 399 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,940 Soto immediately admits to police at 400 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,740 the scene that she's high on xanax bars. 401 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,340 Xanax bars are really 402 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,040 just a slang term for xanax pills that happen to have 403 00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:47,850 a rectangular shape, and penelope fesses up 404 00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:51,480 right away that she's got 26 more of them in her purse. 405 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,890 When an individual gets arrested, 406 00:19:56,990 --> 00:19:59,230 the judge looks at the charges against that person 407 00:19:59,330 --> 00:20:02,230 and makes a determination based as to what, 408 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:05,000 if any, appropriate bail should be set. 409 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,270 -Man: Miss soto, you working? -Yes. 410 00:20:07,370 --> 00:20:09,600 How much money you making a week, approximately? 411 00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:12,610 Approximately about 200 bucks a week. 412 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:17,140 While the judge is questioning penelope on bond conditions, 413 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:20,810 penelope seems to be under the influence of some type of 414 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,120 alcohol or narcotic. 415 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:26,350 Have you had any kind of drugs in the last 24 hours? 416 00:20:26,450 --> 00:20:30,020 Actually, no. 417 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,490 No? Well, penelope's behavior 418 00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:34,530 is about to get even more bizarre. 419 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,600 penelope soto. 420 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:43,770 18-year-old penelope soto is at 421 00:20:43,870 --> 00:20:46,040 a bond hearing after being arrested on drug 422 00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:47,210 possession charges. 423 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:49,080 She's all smiles and giggles and having 424 00:20:49,180 --> 00:20:51,380 a really good time as she appears in court. 425 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,280 Man: Okay, and do you own any property of value? 426 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:56,780 A house, a car, bank accounts, significant amounts of jewelry? 427 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,420 -Yes. -What do you own? 428 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,290 I own a lot of jewelry, all right. 429 00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:06,860 Certainly, whatever happens here could have life-altering 430 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,090 complications, if you will, 431 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,030 -for this young woman. -How much would you say 432 00:21:11,130 --> 00:21:14,630 your jewelry's worth? 433 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:18,100 the judge has to ask penelope how much assets 434 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:20,210 she has for the purposes of bond. 435 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:22,210 You just made me laugh. I apologize. 436 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:24,580 It's all right. How much is your jewelry worth. 437 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,580 -It's worth a lot of money. -Like what? 438 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,850 Like... 439 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:32,050 It's worth...Money. -Ma'am... 440 00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:34,750 You'd think she would act a little more demure, 441 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:37,490 maybe realize that she's in a bit of a problem, 442 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:38,560 a bit of a jam. 443 00:21:38,660 --> 00:21:40,190 We are not in a club -- be serious about it. 444 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:41,990 I'm serious about it -- you just made me laugh. 445 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,300 I can see you're serious, all right. 446 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,000 At first, the judge is kind of playing along, 447 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,100 nice and easy with the young lady, 448 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,240 and what people don't realize is that 449 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:52,510 it's that judge's courtroom. 450 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:55,510 Number one would be 5,000, proper cause found. 451 00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:58,010 Well, the fun and games had to stop 452 00:21:58,110 --> 00:21:59,610 at some point, and the judge decides 453 00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:03,720 maybe it'll straighten her up to impose the bond for bail. 454 00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:07,390 $5,000 -- for somebody who makes 200 a week, 455 00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:10,220 you know -- that's gonna make a dent. 456 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:13,830 -Bye-bye. -Adios. 457 00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:18,800 The bottom line is the judge does not 458 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:21,230 think that she's taking this situation seriously. 459 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,470 Come back, ma'am. Come back. 460 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,670 Come back. 461 00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:29,680 And that's when he began to take the attitude that, hey, 462 00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:32,410 she's not respecting this court, and I have to let her 463 00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:34,750 know who's the boss in this particular courtroom. 464 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,280 Count one will be 10,000. 465 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,420 her jaw literally drops. 466 00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:46,830 -Are you serious? -I am serious. Adios. 467 00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:53,700 he doubles the bail to $10,000, 468 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,400 and now she turns her flip attitude 469 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,570 into flipping off the judge. 470 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,980 going back again. Come back again. 471 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,980 And I'll tell, you when people walk through the courtroom 472 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,280 or walk out of the courtroom saying "f you" to a judge, 473 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:14,250 I've heard that a million times, and it's always shocking. 474 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,890 You mother. 475 00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:18,390 Come back again. 476 00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:22,360 That judge wasn't having it, and most judges wouldn't either. 477 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:23,630 Bring her back again. 478 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:28,670 -What's up? -I believe I heard you saying 479 00:23:28,770 --> 00:23:30,340 to... -Yes, I did. I'm not going to deny it. 480 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,410 I believe you -- did you say me? 481 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:34,940 -Actually, I did. -Did you say that? 482 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,940 Yes, sir, I did. -You did say that? 483 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,010 I find you in direct criminal contempt. 484 00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:41,280 30 days in the county jail. 485 00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:43,780 She didn't realize the judge can do that. 486 00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:47,920 Rodriguez-chomat: 30 days in the county jail. 487 00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:49,720 But after spending just four days 488 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:53,290 in jail for contempt, penelope is back in court, 489 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:56,360 and this time she has a very different attitude. 490 00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:59,470 My behavior was very irrational, 491 00:23:59,570 --> 00:24:03,540 and I apologize not only to the court and you, 492 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,170 but to my family. 493 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:08,670 Penelope's attorney provides an explanation 494 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:11,380 for her disrespectful behavior in court. 495 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,380 Her judgment on that day was impaired 496 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,480 by her ingestion of drugs and alcohol. 497 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:22,520 She expresses remorse for her behavior from the days before, 498 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,990 and the judge does sympathize with her, 499 00:24:25,090 --> 00:24:27,060 and he demands that she goes into rehab. 500 00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:30,700 Thank you. 501 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,040 Lucky for penelope, the judge 502 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:38,570 vacates the remainder of her sentence. 503 00:24:38,670 --> 00:24:43,210 The lesson to be learned is that drugs are bad, 504 00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:46,910 and, most importantly, don't act a fool in court. 505 00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:49,480 -Are you serious? -I am serious. Adios. 506 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:57,320 your job is to do your job, not to worry about me. 507 00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:59,230 That's what I'm saying -- well, I worry about me. 508 00:24:59,330 --> 00:25:00,790 You worry about your self. 509 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:02,090 That's brice rhodes, 510 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,100 talking back to judge charles cunningham in October of 2019 511 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,130 at a hearing to set a trial date. 512 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,570 He's accused of a gruesome triple homicide in 513 00:25:10,670 --> 00:25:12,440 louisville, kentucky. 514 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,710 Carrizales: Brice rhodes is a 25-year-old gang member 515 00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:18,610 with an extensive criminal history and a local 516 00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:20,210 rapper there in louisville, kentucky. 517 00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:24,920 Two of rhodes' victims are teenagers, 16-year-old 518 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:26,890 maurice gordon and his little brother, 519 00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:29,590 14-year-old larry ordway. 520 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:33,760 They both appeared in one of his rap videos in late 2015. 521 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,430 In may 2016, 522 00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:40,630 rhodes is out riding around in a car 523 00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:42,430 with these two young teens. 524 00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:45,100 Whitmore: He was somewhat grooming them to become 525 00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:46,390 more like him. 526 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:49,630 So imagine from the perspective of a 16- and a 14-year-old 527 00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:52,730 who are brothers, who are trying to be cool, 528 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:57,400 to look up to brice, to become the next best rapper. 529 00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,500 While the three of them are riding around in the car, 530 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,470 rhodes stops, 531 00:26:01,570 --> 00:26:04,640 gets out, and guns down a man on the street. 532 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:10,080 it's a guy he thinks is out to get him. 533 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:11,510 It turns out that his victim, 534 00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:14,920 40-year-old christopher jones, is the wrong guy. 535 00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:17,820 But now rhodes has two witnesses. 536 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,160 So after the murder of christopher jones, 537 00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:22,090 rhodes gets nervous. 538 00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:24,590 He's worried that this 14-year-old 539 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,600 and 16-year-old will snitch on him. 540 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,130 Two and a half weeks passes, and, you know, rhodes 541 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,770 is getting even more and more paranoid. 542 00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:34,640 The teenage brothers have not said a thing 543 00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:36,970 to anybody, but rhodes doesn't know that. 544 00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:38,310 He thinks the worst. 545 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:39,540 How's he gonna take care of it? 546 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040 He's gonna eliminate these teenage brothers. 547 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:43,900 But when the teenagers don't come home 548 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,400 the night of may 21, 2016, their mother is worried 549 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:48,700 and goes to the police. 550 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,400 The mother of these two boys, marie wren, reports 551 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:52,970 both are missing. 552 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,210 Their bodies were found a day later 553 00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:57,140 behind an abandoned house. 554 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:07,590 mercy: Marie wren's two teenage boys were stabbed, 555 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:10,720 beaten, and burnt to death, 556 00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:13,830 one of the most inhumane ways to die. 557 00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:18,160 A few days later, marie wren attends 558 00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:20,530 a balloon release for her murdered sons. 559 00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:30,080 the grief-stricken mother can't handle the pain 560 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:31,180 and collapses. 561 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,010 She's lost the only thing that she ever had, 562 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:34,080 and it was her boys. 563 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:36,050 Brice rhodes is arrested four days 564 00:27:36,150 --> 00:27:38,380 after the teenage boys' murders. 565 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:39,850 But a year and a half later, 566 00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:43,660 marie wren is still waiting for justice. 567 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,090 Rhodes's bad behavior in several hearings has 568 00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:48,890 caused one delay after another. 569 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,760 A judge ordered his face covered at one court appearance, 570 00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:54,400 because he'd spit on his first defense attorney. 571 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,240 Mercy: So at that point, the judge had to make a choice. 572 00:27:57,340 --> 00:28:00,310 He made the choice to put a spit mask over brice rhodes. 573 00:28:00,410 --> 00:28:02,740 Now here's the thing -- the spit mask, 574 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,010 although it protects the attorneys, it is very 575 00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:08,510 prejudicial in brice rhodes's case. 576 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:11,080 It makes him look like hannibal lecter. 577 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:13,790 Rhodes is now on his third attorney. 578 00:28:13,890 --> 00:28:16,020 Rhodes is just kind of workin' the system here, 579 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,320 trying to basically delay everything and make everything 580 00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:20,990 draw out. 581 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,760 That can be painful for family members 582 00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:25,430 waiting for it to play out. 583 00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:27,530 But it's the law, it's the way it works. 584 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,440 It's just so heartbreaking for those that want justice. 585 00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:35,340 In this 2018 hearing, marie wren is 586 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,680 sitting only a few yards away from her son's alleged killer, 587 00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:40,510 just out of the camera's view. 588 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:43,580 Mercy: Essentially, marie wren had to sit in 589 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,250 the same courthouse in the same courtroom 590 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:48,150 with the bogeyman. 591 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:51,890 Then, suddenly, the tense situation turns explosive. 592 00:28:57,930 --> 00:29:00,930 25-year-old gang member brice rhodes is accused 593 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,770 of killing teenage brothers larry ordway and maurice gordon. 594 00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:08,540 At this hearing, intended to set a trial date, 595 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,880 rhodes seems to enjoy taunting the victims' mother, 596 00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:13,780 who is sitting behind him. 597 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,520 He enjoys the attention and power he gets from 598 00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:19,050 causing chaos. 599 00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:21,190 Her rage and anguish build until 600 00:29:21,290 --> 00:29:23,590 it suddenly becomes too much to bear. 601 00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:26,560 Marie wren couldn't take it anymore. 602 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,070 let me get to him! 603 00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:36,870 That mama bear does emerge, and it -- 604 00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:39,810 and it just happens in such a huge way 605 00:29:39,910 --> 00:29:43,080 she can't restrain herself -- she jumps at rhodes. 606 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:44,340 All she sees is red. 607 00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:46,410 The emotion was raw, it was real, 608 00:29:46,510 --> 00:29:48,710 and it was stronger than she could bear. 609 00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,050 Wren: Every Sunday, you go to church, 610 00:29:50,150 --> 00:29:51,920 and you pray, and you try to forgive. 611 00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:54,220 The anger still builds up in your soul. 612 00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:57,590 Less than a year after marie wren 613 00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:59,490 lunged at rhodes in court, 614 00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:03,130 she endures more bad behavior at yet another hearing, 615 00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:07,030 and he seems intent on making her life a living hell. 616 00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:13,540 In this scenario, you have a family that's grieving, 617 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,710 and you want the court to be in control. 618 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:17,680 But when you notice that the defendant is starting to 619 00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:21,110 control the entire courtroom and the entire situation, 620 00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:23,450 the family doesn't know if anyone's gonna put 621 00:30:23,550 --> 00:30:24,980 the defendant in check, 622 00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:28,390 and they began to feel helpless, and honestly, 623 00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:30,960 that judge should put and end to the situation. 624 00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:34,090 You can't let the defendant run your courtroom. 625 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,630 Rhodes continues to provoke the victims' family. 626 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:42,500 -Look at me again. -Man: Ma'am! 627 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,340 Mercy: Brice rhodes is blowing kisses, 628 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,170 is making a mockery of the court system. 629 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,410 Brice rhodes symbolically waved 630 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:54,310 the middle finger at marie wren. 631 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:56,950 Ma'am. Ma'am. 632 00:30:57,050 --> 00:31:00,320 -He keeps turnin' around. -Ma'am, I told you once before. 633 00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:02,090 Let me please help you understand. 634 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:03,960 If you can't handle him lookin' at you, 635 00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:06,360 respectfully, all I can tell you to do is don't be in 636 00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:07,990 my courtroom, 'cause he's gonna keep doin' it, 637 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,230 particularly now that he knows that it irritates you. 638 00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:12,930 Mercy: Brice rhodes is a sinister man. 639 00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:15,430 He likes inflicting pain. 640 00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:19,040 He revels in the pain of his victims. 641 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:21,970 And marie wren and her two teenage boys 642 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,310 were no different. 643 00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:24,980 When the case goes to trial, 644 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,210 rhodes will face the death penalty or life without parole. 645 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,720 As of spring 2020, 646 00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:33,050 that trial date still has not been set, 647 00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:35,150 and the family's agony continues. 648 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:38,560 In my opinion, there's no type of rehabilitation for somebody 649 00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:40,290 who displays the behavior 650 00:31:40,390 --> 00:31:44,030 and the complete lack of remorse for this disgusting crime. 651 00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:53,710 people vs. Brian taylor. 652 00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:56,110 21-year-old brian earl taylor is 653 00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:59,510 in a michigan courtroom facing judge darlene o'brien. 654 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:04,120 He's in front of the judge for sentencing on two counts, 655 00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:06,850 one unlawful imprisonment and also carrying 656 00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:08,850 a concealed weapon. 657 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,760 In November of 2015, brian claims 658 00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:14,830 someone stole his stepfather's gun from him one night. 659 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:24,770 But by then, an eyewitness 660 00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:26,670 had already called the police. 661 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,470 At the time of his arrest, 662 00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:32,710 he was already on parole for two counts of larceny and had 663 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:34,750 multiple felony warrants. 664 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:37,380 Mr. Taylor, is there anything you'd like to tell me 665 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,580 before I sentence? 666 00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:40,850 When a defendant has a statement to make prior 667 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,720 to sentencing, the goal is to get 668 00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:46,490 the sentence as favorable to the defendant as possible, 669 00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:48,390 so what you say is very important. 670 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:51,630 But what this guy did, was very unusual. 671 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,880 so I was facing, like, 17 years altogether, 672 00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:06,950 so I just went with my inside 673 00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:09,450 and my gut instinct, and I just did it. 674 00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:14,750 in this life I chose 675 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:17,420 in all my years as a prosecutor, as a defense attorney, 676 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,860 I've never heard an individual sing a song. 677 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,400 Mercy: You have to do what you have to do. 678 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:24,730 I've seen people singing. 679 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:27,230 I've seen people tap dance, dance. 680 00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:28,730 I've seen people moonwalk. 681 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,470 You have to do whatever you have to do 682 00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:32,740 to get leniency from the judge. 683 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,140 Whitmore: So when you talk about crimes, 684 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,910 sometimes we talk about premeditated. 685 00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:37,310 In this situation, 686 00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:39,780 the defendant premeditated this song. 687 00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:48,450 this song is inspired by the popular singer adele, 688 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,290 but let's just call this his special jailhouse edition. 689 00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:55,490 He actually changed the lyrics enough to prove that he took 690 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,630 some time and put some thought 691 00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:59,730 into what he wanted to present to the court. 692 00:34:11,410 --> 00:34:12,480 it's like when I hear a song, 693 00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:14,610 and it does something to me, I'm an artist. 694 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,310 When you hear something, and you can hear pain 695 00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:18,950 in the song, like it does something to you. 696 00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:28,130 thank you, your honor. 697 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:29,730 Did he think it was gonna get him less time? 698 00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:31,000 I'm not sure. 699 00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:32,730 Did he think it was gonna get him a record deal 700 00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:34,700 once he made his way out of prison? 701 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,770 I'm not sure about that either, 702 00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:36,970 but one thing for sure, 703 00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:39,770 he does get points for being unique and seeming to 704 00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:41,670 be sincere. 705 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:43,640 I didn't really know what to expect because when I was 706 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:46,210 watching her and I was singing, like, 707 00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:47,350 her cheeks were, like, red, so I'm like, 708 00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:49,680 is that a good thing or a bad thing? 709 00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:51,450 Thank you, mr. Taylor. 710 00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:54,250 Well, you're obviously a talented young man, 711 00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:57,790 and I hope that you'll be able to use your time productively 712 00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:59,960 when you're in the michigan department of corrections 713 00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:04,730 so you will be able to reach your goals on your release. 714 00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:06,000 I don't think it works. 715 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:12,040 It's -- I think the judge is a backstreet boys fan because, 716 00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:14,040 she sent him bye, bye, bye. 717 00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:15,970 Despite his unique performance, 718 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,810 the judge sentences brian to two years in the michigan 719 00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:20,210 department of corrections for 720 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:24,120 illegally carrying a concealed firearm and another 18 months 721 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:27,090 to 15 years for unlawful imprisonment. 722 00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:28,550 At that point in my life, 723 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:31,120 when I was about to go do time, I was like, I finally reached, 724 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:34,790 like, my lowest of lows, like, to me, it was like... 725 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,700 When I finally do get from under this mess, 726 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,470 like, whatever transpires, I'm a new person. 727 00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:43,640 Hello, like, from the other side, this is me. 728 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,740 In the end, brian earl taylor 729 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,170 only spends 3.5 years in prison, 730 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,910 but while behind bars, he teaches himself 731 00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:54,250 the keyboard and starts writing his own songs. 732 00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,590 so now he's moving in a different direction, 733 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:02,450 maybe he's starting on a new career, 734 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,990 and hopefully, he's putting crime behind him. 735 00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:15,730 and also, it was humbling, because like, it just showed me, 736 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,640 like, hey, like... 737 00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:21,110 No matter what trials and tribulations you go through, 738 00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:23,510 like, you can -- you can do what you want in life. 739 00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:26,440 Dorsey: He's really a good guy, just made some poor choices 740 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:28,980 and realized in the 3.5 years that he spent in jail, 741 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,480 that I need to do better and I'm gonna do better, 742 00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:34,950 and so everybody deserves a second chance, and I hope 743 00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,820 that he'll do well with his singing career. 744 00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:43,630 Coming up, a judge's act of kindness 745 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:45,200 and life-changing impact. 746 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:46,700 When I get out, 747 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,370 I'm definitely gonna be a better person. 748 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080 In louisville, kentucky, 749 00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:03,150 judge amber wolf holds back-to-back 750 00:37:03,250 --> 00:37:06,180 hearings for a young couple charged with robbery. 751 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:09,150 24-year-old james roeder and his wife, ashley, 752 00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:11,420 had been accused of burglarizing a warehouse 753 00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:13,390 and, you know, givin' the five-finger discount 754 00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:16,430 to six big tvs. 755 00:37:16,530 --> 00:37:18,760 Both of these individuals are in the courtroom 756 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:20,770 at the same time for hearings 757 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:23,540 on their respective cases. 758 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,000 At the time of the robbery, 759 00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,110 three months earlier, ashley was pregnant. 760 00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:30,510 James has been locked up in the county jail 761 00:37:30,610 --> 00:37:33,510 and hasn't seen his wife since they were arrested. 762 00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:36,050 I know you have a no-contact order between you 763 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:38,580 and miss roeder that I have -- 764 00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:41,620 um, that I issued, and I'm not changing that. 765 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,750 Yes, ma'am. 766 00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:44,020 And the judge entered a no-contact order, 767 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,260 likely for the purpose to make sure that they didn't try to 768 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,960 connect or manipulate their stories or their defenses. 769 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:54,570 I don't want you to say anything to me about your case at all. 770 00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:55,470 Don't say anything. 771 00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:57,200 Your lawyer is not present right now. 772 00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,040 Ashley, holding her baby, 773 00:37:59,140 --> 00:38:02,570 waits for her own hearing and sits to the right of the judge 774 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,240 when judge wolf calls james into the courtroom. 775 00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:07,250 And during the time that they were awaiting trial, 776 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:08,750 ashley had given birth. 777 00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:10,450 James hadn't seen the baby. 778 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:12,550 Is this what you want to do? 779 00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:14,950 All right, just stay right there for just a second. 780 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:18,090 Ashley's in court with the couple's newborn baby. 781 00:38:18,190 --> 00:38:22,090 Just a month old, and the judge sees this 782 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,530 and starts to realize wow, 783 00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:25,760 this guy has never met his son. 784 00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,730 But I understand that there is a chance 785 00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:29,770 that you're gonna go back to todd county 786 00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:31,100 and that your baby is a month old 787 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,200 and you haven't met that baby yet, is that right? 788 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:34,440 Yes, ma'am. 789 00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:36,140 Miss roeder, do you want to come up here? 790 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,780 So even with that no contact order in place, 791 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,980 the judge then decides to give them 792 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,950 the extraordinary opportunity to meet his newborn child. 793 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:48,490 I'm making a temporary exception right in front of me 794 00:38:48,590 --> 00:38:51,990 on the record so that you can meet this baby. 795 00:38:52,090 --> 00:38:53,060 This is your son. 796 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,430 Here. 797 00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:04,370 I thought this would be a good opportunity 798 00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:07,070 to let him see his son for the first time 799 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:09,370 and for probably the only time in the near future. 800 00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:12,980 My first time actually being able to see him 801 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,380 is pretty emotional, for real. 802 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,980 I can't even remember if I said thank you or anything. 803 00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:19,780 It just made my day. 804 00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:21,820 She's a judge after my own heart. 805 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:26,890 When I watch this, it really made my heart swell. 806 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:28,190 This is an example of 807 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,200 the fact that judges can utilize discretion. 808 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:35,670 Watching him be given the opportunity to hold his child 809 00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:38,270 and then seeing how delicately 810 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,510 he holds his child as ashley 811 00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:44,180 has a tear running down her face. 812 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,040 You see his little shirt? 813 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:47,310 Yeah. Yeah. 814 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,980 He's emotional. He's holding his baby. 815 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,690 Baby's looking at him, he's looking at the baby, 816 00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:57,660 and then it's tissues for everybody. 817 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,190 Yep. 818 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:05,830 All right. 819 00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:07,030 Ashley: Even the judge was crying. 820 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:08,230 Thank you. 821 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:10,700 She actually seen that, you know, we're still people, 822 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,110 even though he's incarcerated and I'm his co-defendant, 823 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:15,510 we're still people. 824 00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:17,510 Dang. 825 00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:19,640 Any small act of kindness that we can do, whether it's in 826 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:21,950 a courtroom or just in general, 827 00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:23,520 has a positive impact on our community, 828 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,280 and it's the right thing to do, and you don't even know 829 00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:27,650 how far it can go for people. 830 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:31,560 This is your son. 831 00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:34,590 I've always thought judges was mean people, and, 832 00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:35,790 you know, I really did. 833 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:38,160 You know, they didn't care to throw people's life away. 834 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:41,730 When I get out, I'm definitely gonna be a better person. 835 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,470 -Thank you. -All right. 836 00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:46,540 All right, mr. Roeder, we'll see you back on August 29th, okay? 837 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,370 Heartfelt emotion assigned, 838 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,210 james and ashley don't get a free pass. 839 00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:53,810 He's sentenced to four years behind bars, 840 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,310 but with good behavior, 841 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:57,250 there's a possibility he'll get out sooner 842 00:40:57,350 --> 00:40:59,020 to see his family. 843 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,390 Ashley gets probation so she can 844 00:41:01,490 --> 00:41:03,520 take care of the couple's two children. 845 00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:06,890 It's incredibly important for a judge to recognize that 846 00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:11,060 a defendant is not defined by that one bad action. 847 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,370 Um, he's -- he or she is defined by much more than that. 848 00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:17,140 And in fact, it may change the way that 849 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:20,470 this young man behaves for the rest of his life, 850 00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:23,370 that judge showing that type of compassion. 67705

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