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Courthouses
are supposed to be places
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of calm and dignity,
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where order is maintained
and justice is served.
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But often, when stakes and
emotions are at their highest,
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cool heads
don't always prevail.
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Coming up,
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an enraged father
out for revenge.
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You cannot put
other people in danger,
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and you must respect justice.
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Your job is to do your job,
not to worry about me.
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You worry about
your self.
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Defendants with
no respect for a judge
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or a grieving family.
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And a gang member
tries to silence a snitch.
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You don't rat
on another individual.
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All the jaw-dropping moments...
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-10,000.
-Are you serious?
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I am serious.
Adios.
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...Plus key insights
from our team of
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crime and legal experts...
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The emotion was raw,
it was real,
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and it was stronger
than she could bear.
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...On chaos in court.
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Hailed as
the must-see sports doctor
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known for treating america's
most elite gymnasts,
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54-year-old larry nassar is
about to be sentenced by
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judge janice cunningham after
pleading guilty to criminal
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sexual conduct in
lansing, michigan.
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Larry nassar is the former
sports doctor who used to treat
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the u.S. Women's
gymnastics team,
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also michigan
state university.
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If you got
an appointment to see
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larry nassar,
people thought it was like,
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my god,
I got in to see him.
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He's the olympic doctor.
He's a michigan state doctor.
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Whatever I have hurting,
he's gonna get fixed.
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You're talking about some of
gymnastics top names
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in the business, some of
olympics' greatest --
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simone biles
and aly raisman,
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who were victimized
by this monster.
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You are so sick,
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I can't even comprehend how
angry I feel
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when I think of you.
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You lied to me and manipulated
me to think that when
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you treated me,
you were closing your eyes
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because you had
been working hard,
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when you were really touching
me, an innocent child,
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to pleasure yourself.
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He would assault them,
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and he would, in many ways,
manipulate these young girls
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into thinking that
what he was doing
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was actually
medical treatment.
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In 2017,
larry nassar received 60 years
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on federal child
pornography charges.
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A year later, in neighboring
ingham county, michigan,
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nassar is sentenced on state
charges of up to 175 years for
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seven counts of
criminal sexual conduct
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in the first degree.
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You're a danger.
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Then,
just over a week later,
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nassar's back in court in
another jurisdiction for
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the third and final sentencing
for alleged activities against
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another 50-plus young women
in eaton county, michigan.
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The courtroom was packed.
I think every seat was taken.
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Various young women
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were permitted to give
victim impact statements
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that's made to the judge to try
to explain, from their vantage
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point, what their experience
was with the defendant,
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how that impacted their life,
and how or what they want
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in terms of what
the sentencing will be.
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It does affect us
in the way that we sentence.
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It could be the difference
between 5 years or 10 years,
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so impact statements
are important.
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Randall margraves
is in the courtroom.
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He is the father of
not one, not two,
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but three of the women who are
victims of larry nassar.
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I got to know randy through
the course of what occurred.
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He is a hard-working father,
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he is a loving father
and husband.
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Randall margraves's
youngest daughter, madison,
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an aspiring gymnast,
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began seeing nassar
for medical treatment
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when she was only
nine years old.
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Nassar began touching
her inappropriately
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and sexually assaulting her
during her physical exams.
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During all of my many visits
in nassar's office at msu
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sports med, one of my parents
was always in the room.
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So even when things seemed
to be -- make me uncomfortable,
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I never thought
anything of it.
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Grewal:
I hate to use this word,
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but he got off on having
the parents in the room.
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The reason being is that
the parents are sitting there
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talking to him as he is doing
this procedure
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with his hands
underneath the sheet
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on their daughters
in places they shouldn't be.
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The parents have no idea
this is going on.
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To my parents,
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thank you for all your love
and support
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through all of this.
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To larry nassar,
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I want you to know
that you no longer
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hold power over me
or my thoughts.
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Grewal:
He was looking down.
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He was in denial,
and eventually,
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he was not giving any of
these women
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that ounce of respect,
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to look at them when
they wanted to try and heal.
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While training
to become a gymnast,
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madison's sister,
lauren margraves,
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was also assaulted several
times by nassar in 2006.
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My mind immediately thought
about the time when I was 13,
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just a kid,
laying on a table at msu,
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and you put your ungloved
hands all over my rear
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and slipped your thumb into the
most private area of my body.
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To be able to face your
offender and for the offender
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to face those that have accused
him of hellacious crimes is
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an emotional state in which
words probably cannot describe.
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This was the first time that
mr. Margraves heard from
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his daughters' own voices
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the sexual assault
that occurred by larry nassar
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to each one of them,
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and it was devastating to him.
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I trusted you,
my parents trusted you,
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and now I feel like I'll never
be able to trust another man
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ever again.
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As his daughters spoke,
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I could see his body language,
that he began to tense up.
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In most courtrooms,
parents are
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also allowed to give
impact statements.
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But when mr. Margraves
asks to take the podium,
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he makes an unusual request.
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I would ask you to,
as part of the sentencing,
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to grant me five minutes in
a locked room with this demon.
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Would you do that?
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Yes or no?
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And the judge denies that
request, because obviously,
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we, as judges, cannot allow
someone to impose justice on
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their own by having
a physical altercation
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with even a convicted
person as mr. Nassar was.
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Whitmore: From a father's
perspective, the role of
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a father is of protector,
to keep them safe.
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And to know and to hear that
every bit of his daughters'
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innocence was taken from them by
larry nassar was completely
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overwhelming for him.
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Would you give me one minute?
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Bove: You can understand that
that's what he wanted to do,
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but right now, you have to
protect everybody in
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the courtroom,
and right then and there,
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your radar goes up like,
hey, all right, this guy's
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talking stuff
that he wants to do.
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He's agitated, so it's time
to tighten up your boots.
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Judge: You know that I can't
do that -- that's not how
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our legal system...
-Well, I'm gonna have to...
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hands behind your back!
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He bull rushes
after larry nassar.
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The three court officers
get to him barely in time.
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One of the court officers
steps in front between
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larry nassar and the father,
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and also the attorney
for larry nassar steps in.
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Well, I'm gonna have to...
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When the father attacks him,
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he backs up and is actually
pulled from the scene.
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He is rescued
from this father.
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This is not what nassar
expected when
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he sat down
for this court proceeding.
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Stay down! Stay down!
Stay down.
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Let me at
that son of a!
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Stay down.
-I want that!
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Who wouldn't understand?
But the bottom line is,
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their job as court officers
is to control the environment,
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and if it takes
2, 3, 4 of these guys
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to sit on dad
and get him cuffed,
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that's what they gotta do.
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Hands behind your back.
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If they don't
want to be cuffed,
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it's tough to get him cuffed.
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Give me one minute
with that
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once they get
the father standing,
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he turns to the officers
and he says...
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,,,and one of the officers
seemed to sympathize with him,
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like I understand,
I understand.
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Thankfully, the law
enforcement that tackled him
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acted quickly,
because no one was injured.
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After the father
lunged at larry nassar,
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the judge obviously had him
detained and put him in
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a holding cell.
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That's not uncommon,
because you want to make sure
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that you bring calmness and
control back to the courtroom.
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After I spoke to mr.
Margraves in the holding cell,
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both he and I
were brought up in front of
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judge cunningham, because
this would be a contempt hearing
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if he's to be held in
contempt of court.
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You cannot put
other people in danger,
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nor the judge,
and you must respect justice.
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The judge is there
to do a job.
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The judge knows
what she's gonna do.
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My heart does go out to you
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and your family because of
what you've gone through.
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Three of your girls were
injured physically
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and emotionally by somebody
sitting in a courtroom.
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I can't fathom that --
there is no way that
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this court is gonna issue
any type of punishment
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given the circumstances of
this case.
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She understood that this was
a highly emotional situation,
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that the father just
lost control, and,
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most importantly, that she was
gonna administer the justice to
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mr. Nassar, and the father
didn't have to.
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After being bombarded
by the press,
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mr. Margraves addresses
reporters later that day.
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I feel very remorseful, um,
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very apologetic.
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I was embarrassed.
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I want to make it real clear
that I am no hero.
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My daughters are the heroes
and all the victims
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and the survivors of
this terrible atrocity.
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You can tell from his demeanor,
from his actions,
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that he reacted honestly,
and his apology
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was heartfelt,
it was sincere.
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Randall margraves's
eldest daughter, morgan,
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who did not give a victim's
impact statement in court,
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now speaks up for her father.
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He reacted in a way that
I feel most fathers would
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have done and probably wanted
to do in a situation
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like this,
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but after reflecting on what
happened earlier,
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my father is --
is remorseful,
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and justice cannot be served
by one individual.
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It must go through
the judicial system.
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Judge cunningham gives
larry nassar up to 125 years for
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the sexual assault of
over 50 female athletes,
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some as young
as six years old.
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With all three
sentences combined,
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larry nassar is given a life
sentence with no possibility
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of parole.
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There are over 500
victim-survivors
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of larry nassar.
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I actually think we are in
a watershed moment,
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because you could look
at the weinstein case,
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and look at the cosby case,
and even epstein, man.
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I think sexual assault
survivors are being believed
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for the first time
historically without having to
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come forward,
being put on the stand,
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being cross-examined,
and victim-shamed.
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Dorsey: It's difficult,
but it's courageous,
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and it's empowering,
I think,
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when others see,
because you never know what
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kind of an influence you have
on someone else who's watching,
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who's saying me, too,
but no more.
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Larry nassar will never
see the light of day again,
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and that's as good as it gets.
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Well, I'm gonna have to get...
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Coming up,
a convicted gang member
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testifies against
one of his own.
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That's something
that you don't do.
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In salt lake city, utah,
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a new u.S. Federal courthouse
has just opened.
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25-year-old siale angilau,
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also known by his gang street
name, c-down, is on trial for
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his role in a string
of violent crimes.
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This young man is part of
a tongan group, mostly
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pacific islanders,
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that is an offshoot of
the crip gang, and it's called
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the tongan crip gang.
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This gang has
a very specific m.O.
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They tag everything, a little
graffiti on signs, on buildings.
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They have a very complex
organization going on
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in the salt lake city area.
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Angilau's charges
include racketeering, robbery,
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assault on a u.S. Marshal,
and weapons violations.
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He faces up to 30 years
in a federal prison.
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Dawson:
In fact, it's a rico case,
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which means they've committed
several crimes over the course
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of many years,
breaking many different laws.
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The fbi began
rounding up these gang members
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back in 2010.
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They got 17 of
these violent criminals.
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Now this guy's in court as
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the last defendant
in this whole process.
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He's the guy that's gonna
wrap up the case for the fbi.
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So we're in
this new federal courthouse,
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and the drapes
haven't even come in.
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Now, drapes are used for
a very specific purpose.
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They are to go around
the defendant's
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and the prosecutor's table
so that
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no one can tell whether or not
a defendant is in shackles
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or handcuffs.
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The drapes help
to disguise the shackles,
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because you do not want
to prejudice the jury.
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And in this case, the judge
decides, in fairness,
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not to have the defendant
in his shackles at that time.
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Bove:
Some of the court officers
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didn't realize
that he wasn't shackled,
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and in any type of law
enforcement situation like this,
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the right hand always
has to know
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what the left hand is
doing and vice versa,
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because, at any time, it could
become an explosive situation.
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And there's a big problem
for c-down.
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The witness who's testifying
on this particular day
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is what is commonly known
as a snitch.
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His fellow gang
member, vaiola tenifa,
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is already serving 30 years
for his role in
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the racketeering enterprise.
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Whitmore: There's a hierarchy
in gang, in membership,
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and in that membership,
your friends, your brothers,
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there is a level of trust,
and you don't rat on
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another individual.
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It is tense
in the courtroom.
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The defendant, just to
the left of his attorney,
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there's also the prosecution,
family members of victims.
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This is the ultimate moment
for the folks in this courthouse
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who have suffered from the
crimes this guy has committed.
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If you look at
the defendant's table,
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I didn't see any security
right next to the table,
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and that really is shocking,
because you know that this is
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a high-intensity,
high-emotional case.
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So as this defendant realizes
that his fellow gang member
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was about to be as disloyal
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as anyone could be
about testifying against him,
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everything changes
in a hot second.
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The defendant walks
around his attorney,
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he grabs a pen,
he grabs a pencil,
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he grabs a highlighter.
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You can kill somebody
with a pencil.
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and as he is
literally mid-air,
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a u.S. Marshal
jumps into action.
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He fires shot after shot
after shot after shot.
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four shots
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that go directly
in to c-down.
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In less than five seconds,
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this defendant goes down --
everybody in the courtroom
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is shocked.
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This has happened
in the blink of an eye.
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The judge
and cooperating witness are
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quickly ushered out
by court officers.
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Three bullets
hit angilau in the back.
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The other goes
in his left shoulder.
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He dies later
at the hospital.
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Whitmore: It is a rarity in
which the defendant actually
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follows through with what he
wants to do, and in a moment's
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notice he did what his --
his gut was telling him to do,
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and the deputies
had to shoot him down
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to protect the witness,
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to protect the judge,
and those in the audience.
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It's difficult to be put into
a situation where the situation
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is constantly changing,
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it's constantly changing
and evolving,
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and we,
as law enforcement officers,
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have to improvise and adapt
to an ever-changing situation.
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Siale angilau's
grieving family holds a vigil
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after his death
and doesn't believe
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the shooting was justified.
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Katoa: I was not in court
that day, and think goodness,
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because honestly,
if I had been,
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I wouldn't be here speaking,
because I would be dead, too.
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You've got maybe
10 officers in there,
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all fit, well-trained, armed.
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They don't need
to shoot to kill
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this young man who's going over
a witness partition.
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They weren't entitled to use
the death penalty on him.
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In my opinion, that firing
of the weapon was
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a little excessive.
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They had the ability to get
him under control physically,
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either by using their hands
or even a taser,
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but I don't believe that
shooting a gun in a courtroom
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is the safest alternative,
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especially because
you have a witness
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just a few feet away.
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The controversial
shooting sparks a five-year
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fbi investigation into why
the prisoner wasn't shackled.
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Angilau's family
also sues the federal
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government and marshal service
for negligence.
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Shootings in courthouses
are extremely rare,
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and it was ultimately
determined that the shooting by
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this court officer was
justified, and he was not found
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responsible for negligence
in the civil lawsuit.
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They neutralized the threat,
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and unfortunately,
somebody died in the process.
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The judge was not found to
have done anything wrong,
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because she has the ability to
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make sure her courtroom
is safe,
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and she has the ability
to make certain decisions in
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regard to how
her courtroom operates.
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It's really too little,
too late.
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Yeah, the judge admits
she made a mistake,
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00:18:51,690 --> 00:18:53,430
but their loved one
is still dead.
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00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,740
penelope soto.
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18-year-old penelope soto is
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at a bond hearing
in miami, florida,
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before judge jorge
rodriguez-chomat.
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00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:14,810
Good morning, miss soto.
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You're being
charged with possession
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of xanax, b-a-r-s,
I don't know what that is.
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-Bars.
-Man: Xanax bars.
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00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:25,260
-It's how they're referred to.
-Xanax bars.
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00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,890
Police encountered
penelope after responding
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to a call about
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an injured teenager
who'd crashed her bicycle
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and suffered minor injuries.
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Soto immediately
admits to police at
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the scene
that she's high on xanax bars.
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00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,340
Xanax bars are really
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00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,040
just a slang term for xanax
pills that happen to have
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00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:47,850
a rectangular shape,
and penelope fesses up
404
00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:51,480
right away that she's got
26 more of them in her purse.
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00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,890
When an individual
gets arrested,
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the judge looks at the charges
against that person
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and makes a determination
based as to what,
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00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:05,000
if any, appropriate bail
should be set.
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00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,270
-Man: Miss soto, you working?
-Yes.
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00:20:07,370 --> 00:20:09,600
How much money you making
a week, approximately?
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Approximately
about 200 bucks a week.
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While the judge is questioning
penelope on bond conditions,
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penelope seems to be under
the influence of some type of
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alcohol or narcotic.
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00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:26,350
Have you had any kind of drugs
in the last 24 hours?
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00:20:26,450 --> 00:20:30,020
Actually, no.
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No?
Well, penelope's behavior
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00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:34,530
is about to get even
more bizarre.
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00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,600
penelope soto.
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00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:43,770
18-year-old
penelope soto is at
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a bond hearing after being
arrested on drug
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possession charges.
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She's all smiles
and giggles and having
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a really good time as she
appears in court.
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Man: Okay, and do you own
any property of value?
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A house, a car, bank accounts,
significant amounts of jewelry?
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00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,420
-Yes.
-What do you own?
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00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,290
I own a lot of jewelry,
all right.
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00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:06,860
Certainly, whatever happens
here could have life-altering
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00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,090
complications, if you will,
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00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,030
-for this young woman.
-How much would you say
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00:21:11,130 --> 00:21:14,630
your jewelry's worth?
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00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:18,100
the judge has to ask
penelope how much assets
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she has for the purposes
of bond.
435
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:22,210
You just made me laugh.
I apologize.
436
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:24,580
It's all right.
How much is your jewelry worth.
437
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,580
-It's worth a lot of money.
-Like what?
438
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,850
Like...
439
00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:32,050
It's worth...Money.
-Ma'am...
440
00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:34,750
You'd think she would
act a little more demure,
441
00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:37,490
maybe realize that she's
in a bit of a problem,
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00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:38,560
a bit of a jam.
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00:21:38,660 --> 00:21:40,190
We are not in a club --
be serious about it.
444
00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:41,990
I'm serious about it --
you just made me laugh.
445
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,300
I can see you're serious,
all right.
446
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,000
At first, the judge is
kind of playing along,
447
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,100
nice and easy with
the young lady,
448
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,240
and what people
don't realize is that
449
00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:52,510
it's that judge's courtroom.
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Number one would be
5,000, proper cause found.
451
00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:58,010
Well, the fun and games
had to stop
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00:21:58,110 --> 00:21:59,610
at some point,
and the judge decides
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00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:03,720
maybe it'll straighten her up
to impose the bond for bail.
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00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:07,390
$5,000 -- for somebody
who makes 200 a week,
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00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:10,220
you know --
that's gonna make a dent.
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00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:13,830
-Bye-bye.
-Adios.
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00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:18,800
The bottom line
is the judge does not
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think that she's taking
this situation seriously.
459
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,470
Come back, ma'am.
Come back.
460
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,670
Come back.
461
00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:29,680
And that's when he began to
take the attitude that, hey,
462
00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:32,410
she's not respecting this
court, and I have to let her
463
00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:34,750
know who's the boss
in this particular courtroom.
464
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,280
Count one will be 10,000.
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her jaw literally drops.
466
00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:46,830
-Are you serious?
-I am serious. Adios.
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00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:53,700
he doubles the bail
to $10,000,
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00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,400
and now she turns
her flip attitude
469
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,570
into flipping off the judge.
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00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,980
going back again.
Come back again.
471
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,980
And I'll tell, you when people
walk through the courtroom
472
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,280
or walk out of the courtroom
saying "f you" to a judge,
473
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:14,250
I've heard that a million
times, and it's always shocking.
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00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,890
You mother.
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00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:18,390
Come back again.
476
00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:22,360
That judge wasn't having it,
and most judges wouldn't either.
477
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:23,630
Bring her back again.
478
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:28,670
-What's up?
-I believe I heard you saying
479
00:23:28,770 --> 00:23:30,340
to...
-Yes, I did. I'm not going
to deny it.
480
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,410
I believe you --
did you say me?
481
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:34,940
-Actually, I did.
-Did you say that?
482
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,940
Yes, sir, I did.
-You did say that?
483
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,010
I find you in direct
criminal contempt.
484
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:41,280
30 days in the county jail.
485
00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:43,780
She didn't realize
the judge can do that.
486
00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:47,920
Rodriguez-chomat:
30 days in the county jail.
487
00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:49,720
But after spending
just four days
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00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:53,290
in jail for contempt,
penelope is back in court,
489
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:56,360
and this time she has
a very different attitude.
490
00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:59,470
My behavior was
very irrational,
491
00:23:59,570 --> 00:24:03,540
and I apologize not only to
the court and you,
492
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,170
but to my family.
493
00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:08,670
Penelope's attorney
provides an explanation
494
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:11,380
for her disrespectful
behavior in court.
495
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,380
Her judgment on that day
was impaired
496
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,480
by her ingestion
of drugs and alcohol.
497
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:22,520
She expresses remorse for her
behavior from the days before,
498
00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,990
and the judge does
sympathize with her,
499
00:24:25,090 --> 00:24:27,060
and he demands
that she goes into rehab.
500
00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:30,700
Thank you.
501
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,040
Lucky for penelope,
the judge
502
00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:38,570
vacates the remainder
of her sentence.
503
00:24:38,670 --> 00:24:43,210
The lesson to be learned
is that drugs are bad,
504
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:46,910
and, most importantly,
don't act a fool in court.
505
00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:49,480
-Are you serious?
-I am serious. Adios.
506
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:57,320
your job is to do your job,
not to worry about me.
507
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:59,230
That's what I'm saying --
well, I worry about me.
508
00:24:59,330 --> 00:25:00,790
You worry about
your self.
509
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:02,090
That's brice rhodes,
510
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,100
talking back to judge charles
cunningham in October of 2019
511
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,130
at a hearing
to set a trial date.
512
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,570
He's accused of a gruesome
triple homicide in
513
00:25:10,670 --> 00:25:12,440
louisville, kentucky.
514
00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,710
Carrizales: Brice rhodes is
a 25-year-old gang member
515
00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:18,610
with an extensive criminal
history and a local
516
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:20,210
rapper there in
louisville, kentucky.
517
00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:24,920
Two of rhodes' victims
are teenagers, 16-year-old
518
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:26,890
maurice gordon
and his little brother,
519
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:29,590
14-year-old larry ordway.
520
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:33,760
They both appeared in one of
his rap videos in late 2015.
521
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,430
In may 2016,
522
00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:40,630
rhodes is out
riding around in a car
523
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:42,430
with these two young teens.
524
00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:45,100
Whitmore: He was somewhat
grooming them to become
525
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:46,390
more like him.
526
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:49,630
So imagine from the perspective
of a 16- and a 14-year-old
527
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:52,730
who are brothers,
who are trying to be cool,
528
00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:57,400
to look up to brice,
to become the next best rapper.
529
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,500
While the three of them
are riding around in the car,
530
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,470
rhodes stops,
531
00:26:01,570 --> 00:26:04,640
gets out, and guns down
a man on the street.
532
00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:10,080
it's a guy he thinks
is out to get him.
533
00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:11,510
It turns out that his victim,
534
00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:14,920
40-year-old christopher jones,
is the wrong guy.
535
00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:17,820
But now rhodes has
two witnesses.
536
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,160
So after the murder
of christopher jones,
537
00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:22,090
rhodes gets nervous.
538
00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:24,590
He's worried
that this 14-year-old
539
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,600
and 16-year-old
will snitch on him.
540
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,130
Two and a half weeks
passes, and, you know, rhodes
541
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,770
is getting even more
and more paranoid.
542
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:34,640
The teenage brothers
have not said a thing
543
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:36,970
to anybody,
but rhodes doesn't know that.
544
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:38,310
He thinks the worst.
545
00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:39,540
How's he gonna
take care of it?
546
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040
He's gonna eliminate
these teenage brothers.
547
00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:43,900
But when the teenagers
don't come home
548
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,400
the night of may 21, 2016,
their mother is worried
549
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:48,700
and goes to the police.
550
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,400
The mother of these two boys,
marie wren, reports
551
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:52,970
both are missing.
552
00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,210
Their bodies were found
a day later
553
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:57,140
behind an abandoned house.
554
00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:07,590
mercy: Marie wren's two teenage
boys were stabbed,
555
00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:10,720
beaten, and burnt to death,
556
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:13,830
one of the most
inhumane ways to die.
557
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:18,160
A few days later,
marie wren attends
558
00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:20,530
a balloon release
for her murdered sons.
559
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:30,080
the grief-stricken mother
can't handle the pain
560
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:31,180
and collapses.
561
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,010
She's lost the only thing
that she ever had,
562
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:34,080
and it was her boys.
563
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:36,050
Brice rhodes is
arrested four days
564
00:27:36,150 --> 00:27:38,380
after the teenage
boys' murders.
565
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:39,850
But a year and a half later,
566
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:43,660
marie wren is
still waiting for justice.
567
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,090
Rhodes's bad behavior
in several hearings has
568
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:48,890
caused one delay
after another.
569
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,760
A judge ordered his face
covered at one court appearance,
570
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:54,400
because he'd spit
on his first defense attorney.
571
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,240
Mercy: So at that point,
the judge had to make a choice.
572
00:27:57,340 --> 00:28:00,310
He made the choice to put
a spit mask over brice rhodes.
573
00:28:00,410 --> 00:28:02,740
Now here's the thing --
the spit mask,
574
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,010
although it protects
the attorneys, it is very
575
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:08,510
prejudicial
in brice rhodes's case.
576
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:11,080
It makes him look
like hannibal lecter.
577
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:13,790
Rhodes is now
on his third attorney.
578
00:28:13,890 --> 00:28:16,020
Rhodes is just kind of workin'
the system here,
579
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,320
trying to basically delay
everything and make everything
580
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:20,990
draw out.
581
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,760
That can be painful
for family members
582
00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:25,430
waiting for it to
play out.
583
00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:27,530
But it's the law,
it's the way it works.
584
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,440
It's just so heartbreaking for
those that want justice.
585
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:35,340
In this 2018 hearing,
marie wren is
586
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,680
sitting only a few yards away
from her son's alleged killer,
587
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:40,510
just out of the camera's view.
588
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:43,580
Mercy: Essentially,
marie wren had to sit in
589
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,250
the same courthouse
in the same courtroom
590
00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:48,150
with the bogeyman.
591
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:51,890
Then, suddenly, the
tense situation turns explosive.
592
00:28:57,930 --> 00:29:00,930
25-year-old gang
member brice rhodes is accused
593
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,770
of killing teenage brothers
larry ordway and maurice gordon.
594
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:08,540
At this hearing, intended
to set a trial date,
595
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,880
rhodes seems to enjoy taunting
the victims' mother,
596
00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:13,780
who is sitting behind him.
597
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,520
He enjoys the attention
and power he gets from
598
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:19,050
causing chaos.
599
00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:21,190
Her rage
and anguish build until
600
00:29:21,290 --> 00:29:23,590
it suddenly becomes
too much to bear.
601
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:26,560
Marie wren
couldn't take it anymore.
602
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,070
let me get to him!
603
00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:36,870
That mama bear does emerge,
and it --
604
00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:39,810
and it just happens
in such a huge way
605
00:29:39,910 --> 00:29:43,080
she can't restrain herself --
she jumps at rhodes.
606
00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:44,340
All she sees is red.
607
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:46,410
The emotion was raw,
it was real,
608
00:29:46,510 --> 00:29:48,710
and it was stronger
than she could bear.
609
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,050
Wren: Every Sunday,
you go to church,
610
00:29:50,150 --> 00:29:51,920
and you pray,
and you try to forgive.
611
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:54,220
The anger still
builds up in your soul.
612
00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:57,590
Less than a year
after marie wren
613
00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:59,490
lunged at rhodes in court,
614
00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:03,130
she endures more bad behavior
at yet another hearing,
615
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:07,030
and he seems intent on making
her life a living hell.
616
00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:13,540
In this scenario, you have
a family that's grieving,
617
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,710
and you want the court
to be in control.
618
00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:17,680
But when you notice that
the defendant is starting to
619
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:21,110
control the entire courtroom
and the entire situation,
620
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:23,450
the family doesn't know if
anyone's gonna put
621
00:30:23,550 --> 00:30:24,980
the defendant in check,
622
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:28,390
and they began to feel
helpless, and honestly,
623
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:30,960
that judge should put and end
to the situation.
624
00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:34,090
You can't let the defendant
run your courtroom.
625
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,630
Rhodes continues to
provoke the victims' family.
626
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:42,500
-Look at me again.
-Man: Ma'am!
627
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,340
Mercy: Brice rhodes
is blowing kisses,
628
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,170
is making a mockery
of the court system.
629
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,410
Brice rhodes
symbolically waved
630
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:54,310
the middle finger
at marie wren.
631
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:56,950
Ma'am. Ma'am.
632
00:30:57,050 --> 00:31:00,320
-He keeps turnin' around.
-Ma'am, I told you once before.
633
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:02,090
Let me please
help you understand.
634
00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:03,960
If you can't handle him
lookin' at you,
635
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:06,360
respectfully, all I can tell you
to do is don't be in
636
00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:07,990
my courtroom,
'cause he's gonna keep doin' it,
637
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,230
particularly now that he knows
that it irritates you.
638
00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:12,930
Mercy: Brice rhodes
is a sinister man.
639
00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:15,430
He likes inflicting pain.
640
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:19,040
He revels in the pain
of his victims.
641
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:21,970
And marie wren
and her two teenage boys
642
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,310
were no different.
643
00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:24,980
When the case goes to trial,
644
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,210
rhodes will face the death
penalty or life without parole.
645
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,720
As of spring 2020,
646
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:33,050
that trial date still
has not been set,
647
00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:35,150
and the family's
agony continues.
648
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:38,560
In my opinion, there's no type
of rehabilitation for somebody
649
00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:40,290
who displays the behavior
650
00:31:40,390 --> 00:31:44,030
and the complete lack of remorse
for this disgusting crime.
651
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:53,710
people vs. Brian taylor.
652
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:56,110
21-year-old
brian earl taylor is
653
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:59,510
in a michigan courtroom facing
judge darlene o'brien.
654
00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:04,120
He's in front of the judge
for sentencing on two counts,
655
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:06,850
one unlawful imprisonment
and also carrying
656
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:08,850
a concealed weapon.
657
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,760
In November of 2015,
brian claims
658
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:14,830
someone stole his stepfather's
gun from him one night.
659
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:24,770
But by then,
an eyewitness
660
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:26,670
had already called the police.
661
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,470
At the time of his arrest,
662
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:32,710
he was already on parole for
two counts of larceny and had
663
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:34,750
multiple felony warrants.
664
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:37,380
Mr. Taylor, is there anything
you'd like to tell me
665
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,580
before I sentence?
666
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:40,850
When a defendant has
a statement to make prior
667
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,720
to sentencing,
the goal is to get
668
00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:46,490
the sentence as favorable
to the defendant as possible,
669
00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:48,390
so what you say is
very important.
670
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:51,630
But what this guy did,
was very unusual.
671
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,880
so I was facing, like,
17 years altogether,
672
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:06,950
so I just went with my inside
673
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:09,450
and my gut instinct,
and I just did it.
674
00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:14,750
in this life I chose
675
00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:17,420
in all my years as a prosecutor,
as a defense attorney,
676
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,860
I've never heard
an individual sing a song.
677
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Mercy: You have to do
what you have to do.
678
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:24,730
I've seen people singing.
679
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:27,230
I've seen people
tap dance, dance.
680
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:28,730
I've seen people moonwalk.
681
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,470
You have to do
whatever you have to do
682
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:32,740
to get leniency
from the judge.
683
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,140
Whitmore:
So when you talk about crimes,
684
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,910
sometimes we talk
about premeditated.
685
00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:37,310
In this situation,
686
00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:39,780
the defendant
premeditated this song.
687
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:48,450
this song is inspired by
the popular singer adele,
688
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,290
but let's just call this
his special jailhouse edition.
689
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:55,490
He actually changed the lyrics
enough to prove that he took
690
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,630
some time and put some thought
691
00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:59,730
into what he wanted
to present to the court.
692
00:34:11,410 --> 00:34:12,480
it's like
when I hear a song,
693
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:14,610
and it does something to me,
I'm an artist.
694
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,310
When you hear something,
and you can hear pain
695
00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:18,950
in the song, like it does
something to you.
696
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:28,130
thank you, your honor.
697
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:29,730
Did he think it was gonna
get him less time?
698
00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:31,000
I'm not sure.
699
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:32,730
Did he think it was gonna
get him a record deal
700
00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:34,700
once he made
his way out of prison?
701
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,770
I'm not sure
about that either,
702
00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:36,970
but one thing for sure,
703
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:39,770
he does get points for being
unique and seeming to
704
00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:41,670
be sincere.
705
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:43,640
I didn't really know what to
expect because when I was
706
00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:46,210
watching her and I was
singing, like,
707
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:47,350
her cheeks were, like, red,
so I'm like,
708
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:49,680
is that a good thing
or a bad thing?
709
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:51,450
Thank you,
mr. Taylor.
710
00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:54,250
Well, you're obviously
a talented young man,
711
00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:57,790
and I hope that you'll be able
to use your time productively
712
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:59,960
when you're in the michigan
department of corrections
713
00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:04,730
so you will be able to reach
your goals on your release.
714
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:06,000
I don't think it works.
715
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:12,040
It's -- I think the judge is
a backstreet boys fan because,
716
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:14,040
she sent him
bye, bye, bye.
717
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:15,970
Despite his
unique performance,
718
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,810
the judge sentences brian to
two years in the michigan
719
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:20,210
department of corrections for
720
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:24,120
illegally carrying a concealed
firearm and another 18 months
721
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:27,090
to 15 years for
unlawful imprisonment.
722
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:28,550
At that point in my life,
723
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:31,120
when I was about to go do time,
I was like, I finally reached,
724
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:34,790
like, my lowest of lows, like,
to me, it was like...
725
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,700
When I finally do get
from under this mess,
726
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,470
like, whatever transpires,
I'm a new person.
727
00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:43,640
Hello, like, from the other
side, this is me.
728
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,740
In the end,
brian earl taylor
729
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,170
only spends 3.5 years
in prison,
730
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,910
but while behind bars,
he teaches himself
731
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:54,250
the keyboard and starts
writing his own songs.
732
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,590
so now he's moving in
a different direction,
733
00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:02,450
maybe he's starting on
a new career,
734
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,990
and hopefully, he's putting
crime behind him.
735
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:15,730
and also, it was humbling,
because like, it just showed me,
736
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,640
like, hey, like...
737
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:21,110
No matter what trials
and tribulations you go through,
738
00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:23,510
like, you can -- you can
do what you want in life.
739
00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:26,440
Dorsey: He's really a good guy,
just made some poor choices
740
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:28,980
and realized in the 3.5 years
that he spent in jail,
741
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,480
that I need to do better
and I'm gonna do better,
742
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:34,950
and so everybody deserves
a second chance, and I hope
743
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,820
that he'll do well with
his singing career.
744
00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:43,630
Coming up,
a judge's act of kindness
745
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:45,200
and life-changing impact.
746
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:46,700
When I get out,
747
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,370
I'm definitely gonna be
a better person.
748
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080
In louisville, kentucky,
749
00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:03,150
judge amber wolf
holds back-to-back
750
00:37:03,250 --> 00:37:06,180
hearings for a young couple
charged with robbery.
751
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:09,150
24-year-old james roeder
and his wife, ashley,
752
00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:11,420
had been accused of
burglarizing a warehouse
753
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:13,390
and, you know, givin'
the five-finger discount
754
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:16,430
to six big tvs.
755
00:37:16,530 --> 00:37:18,760
Both of these
individuals are in the courtroom
756
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:20,770
at the same time for hearings
757
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:23,540
on their respective cases.
758
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,000
At the time of the robbery,
759
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,110
three months earlier,
ashley was pregnant.
760
00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:30,510
James has been locked up
in the county jail
761
00:37:30,610 --> 00:37:33,510
and hasn't seen his wife
since they were arrested.
762
00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:36,050
I know you have a no-contact
order between you
763
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:38,580
and miss roeder
that I have --
764
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:41,620
um, that I issued,
and I'm not changing that.
765
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,750
Yes, ma'am.
766
00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:44,020
And the judge entered
a no-contact order,
767
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,260
likely for the purpose to make
sure that they didn't try to
768
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,960
connect or manipulate
their stories or their defenses.
769
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:54,570
I don't want you to say anything
to me about your case at all.
770
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:55,470
Don't say anything.
771
00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:57,200
Your lawyer is not
present right now.
772
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,040
Ashley, holding her baby,
773
00:37:59,140 --> 00:38:02,570
waits for her own hearing and
sits to the right of the judge
774
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,240
when judge wolf calls
james into the courtroom.
775
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:07,250
And during the time that
they were awaiting trial,
776
00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:08,750
ashley had given birth.
777
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:10,450
James hadn't seen the baby.
778
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:12,550
Is this what you want to do?
779
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:14,950
All right, just stay right
there for just a second.
780
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:18,090
Ashley's in court with
the couple's newborn baby.
781
00:38:18,190 --> 00:38:22,090
Just a month old,
and the judge sees this
782
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,530
and starts to realize wow,
783
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:25,760
this guy has never
met his son.
784
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,730
But I understand
that there is a chance
785
00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:29,770
that you're gonna
go back to todd county
786
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:31,100
and that your baby
is a month old
787
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,200
and you haven't met that baby
yet, is that right?
788
00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:34,440
Yes, ma'am.
789
00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:36,140
Miss roeder, do you want
to come up here?
790
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,780
So even with that no contact
order in place,
791
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,980
the judge then decides
to give them
792
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,950
the extraordinary opportunity
to meet his newborn child.
793
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:48,490
I'm making a temporary
exception right in front of me
794
00:38:48,590 --> 00:38:51,990
on the record so that
you can meet this baby.
795
00:38:52,090 --> 00:38:53,060
This is your son.
796
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,430
Here.
797
00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:04,370
I thought this would be
a good opportunity
798
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:07,070
to let him see his son
for the first time
799
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:09,370
and for probably the only time
in the near future.
800
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:12,980
My first time
actually being able to see him
801
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,380
is pretty emotional, for real.
802
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,980
I can't even remember if I said
thank you or anything.
803
00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:19,780
It just made my day.
804
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:21,820
She's a judge
after my own heart.
805
00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:26,890
When I watch this,
it really made my heart swell.
806
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:28,190
This is an example of
807
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,200
the fact that judges can
utilize discretion.
808
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:35,670
Watching him be given the
opportunity to hold his child
809
00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:38,270
and then seeing how delicately
810
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,510
he holds his child
as ashley
811
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:44,180
has a tear running
down her face.
812
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,040
You see his little shirt?
813
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:47,310
Yeah. Yeah.
814
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,980
He's emotional.
He's holding his baby.
815
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,690
Baby's looking at him,
he's looking at the baby,
816
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:57,660
and then it's tissues
for everybody.
817
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,190
Yep.
818
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:05,830
All right.
819
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:07,030
Ashley:
Even the judge was crying.
820
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:08,230
Thank you.
821
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:10,700
She actually seen that,
you know, we're still people,
822
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,110
even though he's incarcerated
and I'm his co-defendant,
823
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:15,510
we're still people.
824
00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:17,510
Dang.
825
00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:19,640
Any small act of kindness
that we can do, whether it's in
826
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:21,950
a courtroom or just in general,
827
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:23,520
has a positive impact
on our community,
828
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,280
and it's the right thing to
do, and you don't even know
829
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:27,650
how far it can go for people.
830
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:31,560
This is your son.
831
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:34,590
I've always thought judges
was mean people, and,
832
00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:35,790
you know, I really did.
833
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:38,160
You know, they didn't care to
throw people's life away.
834
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:41,730
When I get out, I'm definitely
gonna be a better person.
835
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,470
-Thank you.
-All right.
836
00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:46,540
All right, mr. Roeder, we'll see
you back on August 29th, okay?
837
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,370
Heartfelt
emotion assigned,
838
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,210
james and ashley don't get
a free pass.
839
00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:53,810
He's sentenced to four years
behind bars,
840
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,310
but with good behavior,
841
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:57,250
there's a possibility
he'll get out sooner
842
00:40:57,350 --> 00:40:59,020
to see his family.
843
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,390
Ashley gets probation
so she can
844
00:41:01,490 --> 00:41:03,520
take care of the couple's
two children.
845
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:06,890
It's incredibly important for
a judge to recognize that
846
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:11,060
a defendant is not defined
by that one bad action.
847
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,370
Um, he's -- he or she is defined
by much more than that.
848
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:17,140
And in fact,
it may change the way that
849
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:20,470
this young man behaves
for the rest of his life,
850
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:23,370
that judge showing that type
of compassion.
67705
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