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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,964 --> 00:00:06,881 DOUG MATTHEWS: We didn't know how 2 00:00:06,964 --> 00:00:08,923 the McDonald's Monopoly game was fixed. 3 00:00:09,130 --> 00:00:10,673 So, inside the wire room, 4 00:00:10,756 --> 00:00:12,589 people'd sit in there, getting ready to listen. 5 00:00:13,005 --> 00:00:14,255 And nothing happens. 6 00:00:14,339 --> 00:00:15,673 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 7 00:00:15,756 --> 00:00:19,089 The FBI, we start coming up with how do we get past winners 8 00:00:19,172 --> 00:00:22,130 to recount how they allegedly won these pieces. 9 00:00:22,756 --> 00:00:25,381 Locking them into a story on camera, 10 00:00:25,464 --> 00:00:29,005 takes a B-minus case and makes it a A-plus case. 11 00:00:29,506 --> 00:00:32,214 For a while, the question was, "Who is Uncle Jerry?" 12 00:00:32,297 --> 00:00:34,214 We were looking into Jerry Jacobson. 13 00:00:34,506 --> 00:00:36,756 We thought this may be the main guy. 14 00:00:37,089 --> 00:00:40,005 But there was always this inference that Uncle Jerry 15 00:00:40,089 --> 00:00:42,297 somehow connected to organized crime. 16 00:00:42,381 --> 00:00:45,005 We found out that there was another Jerry involved, 17 00:00:45,089 --> 00:00:46,589 named Jerry Colombo. 18 00:00:47,506 --> 00:00:50,339 My husband. He was part of the Colombo crime family. 19 00:00:50,422 --> 00:00:54,422 My Jerry and Jerry Jacobson became partners 20 00:00:54,506 --> 00:00:57,464 on the Monopoly thing. My husband picked the winners. 21 00:00:57,756 --> 00:01:00,255 INTERVIEWER: 22 00:01:00,631 --> 00:01:02,923 "Uncle Jerry" is Jerome Jacobson. 23 00:01:03,297 --> 00:01:06,047 My husband. He got a lot of my family members involved. 24 00:01:06,130 --> 00:01:07,047 And that isn't all. 25 00:01:07,255 --> 00:01:09,172 That was just a little piece of the pie. 26 00:01:12,005 --> 00:01:14,130 [bright tone] 27 00:01:31,130 --> 00:01:32,005 - Whiskey. 28 00:01:32,089 --> 00:01:33,589 Where's Oliver? 29 00:01:33,673 --> 00:01:35,714 [cat meows] 30 00:01:35,798 --> 00:01:38,005 Oliver, come on! 31 00:01:43,839 --> 00:01:45,923 I helped pick the winners. 32 00:01:46,005 --> 00:01:49,631 I gave some tickets to some friends of mine 33 00:01:49,714 --> 00:01:52,798 and family members who needed it. 34 00:01:56,589 --> 00:02:00,673 I wanted them happy, so... 35 00:02:01,631 --> 00:02:03,422 I gave 'em things. 36 00:02:03,506 --> 00:02:05,839 I was gonna get the $1 million, 37 00:02:05,923 --> 00:02:07,839 but I gave it to my father. 38 00:02:07,923 --> 00:02:09,798 And, um... 39 00:02:11,464 --> 00:02:16,214 Maybe if certain things never happened... 40 00:02:17,798 --> 00:02:21,047 This Monopoly thing would still be going on today. 41 00:02:22,422 --> 00:02:24,464 It's true. 42 00:02:24,547 --> 00:02:27,464 [dramatic music] 43 00:02:27,547 --> 00:02:34,673 ♪ ♪ 44 00:03:34,255 --> 00:03:35,923 - With Shamrock Productions 45 00:03:36,005 --> 00:03:38,047 and the "Reunion of Winners," 46 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:39,964 I think some of them are pretty legendary, 47 00:03:40,047 --> 00:03:43,673 in terms of what was captured on film. 48 00:03:45,798 --> 00:03:49,089 - Like Buddy Fisher and Mr. Hoover, 49 00:03:49,172 --> 00:03:53,297 Gloria Brown was an instant $1 million winner. 50 00:03:53,381 --> 00:03:57,005 She had won in South Carolina. 51 00:03:59,839 --> 00:04:01,756 - Gloria had said her address 52 00:04:01,839 --> 00:04:05,214 was in the Hilton Head area of South Carolina, 53 00:04:05,297 --> 00:04:08,464 but she was from Jacksonville, Florida. 54 00:04:09,464 --> 00:04:10,798 There was always something 55 00:04:10,881 --> 00:04:12,923 that I was trying to drive out. 56 00:04:13,005 --> 00:04:15,339 I was trying to expand the BS 57 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:17,339 that they were trying to put out there 58 00:04:17,422 --> 00:04:20,089 because I know AUSA Devereaux 59 00:04:20,172 --> 00:04:23,255 needs a ground ball, boy needs something easy. 60 00:04:23,339 --> 00:04:24,673 - [laughs] 61 00:04:24,756 --> 00:04:26,839 - I'm kidding, he's good at his job. 62 00:04:28,881 --> 00:04:31,089 - It's been a decade, but I enjoyed it. 63 00:04:31,172 --> 00:04:33,381 First time, yeah... 64 00:04:36,506 --> 00:04:38,381 - Well, I was unemployed at that time, right in-- 65 00:04:38,464 --> 00:04:40,089 - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 66 00:04:40,172 --> 00:04:42,130 - But I am a social worker. 67 00:04:42,214 --> 00:04:44,923 I just was taking a break from... 68 00:04:45,005 --> 00:04:46,130 stress. 69 00:04:46,214 --> 00:04:47,881 I'm not doing it anymore, thank God. 70 00:04:47,964 --> 00:04:49,547 [laughter] 71 00:04:50,589 --> 00:04:52,673 - Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 72 00:04:54,130 --> 00:04:55,089 - No, most-- 73 00:04:55,172 --> 00:04:56,756 - Most of my family is here. 74 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,130 I had a friend, a personal friend and another friend, 75 00:05:00,214 --> 00:05:02,130 a couple of friends there that-- 76 00:05:02,214 --> 00:05:04,756 basically what I was doing was a lot of visiting, 77 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,631 job searching at that time, 78 00:05:06,714 --> 00:05:08,589 so, you know, trying to relocate. 79 00:05:08,673 --> 00:05:11,839 - One thing that struck me was that Ms. Brown 80 00:05:11,923 --> 00:05:14,005 wasn't as open and friendly 81 00:05:14,089 --> 00:05:17,464 as Mr. Hoover was. 82 00:05:17,547 --> 00:05:20,756 She seemed to be on guard, 83 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,881 whether or not she suspected something was awry or not, 84 00:05:25,964 --> 00:05:30,172 she just...she just wasn't as forthcoming. 85 00:05:40,589 --> 00:05:42,089 - Yeah, yeah. 86 00:05:44,255 --> 00:05:45,339 - Yes, yeah. 87 00:05:45,422 --> 00:05:47,130 - Well, in Hilton Head, you know, 88 00:05:47,214 --> 00:05:49,506 um, during that time I was, you know, living with a friend, 89 00:05:49,589 --> 00:05:52,798 of course, and, um, trying to job hunt 90 00:05:52,881 --> 00:05:56,798 and right now, I have my own agenda, 91 00:05:56,881 --> 00:05:59,839 you know, I have my patients to care for. 92 00:05:59,923 --> 00:06:02,381 Um...I'm busy, like today 93 00:06:02,464 --> 00:06:04,756 I'm taking a trip, you know, 94 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,339 and, um... 95 00:06:06,422 --> 00:06:08,589 um day-to-day-- I work seven days a week, 96 00:06:08,673 --> 00:06:10,923 basically, you know, I'm on call all the time. 97 00:06:11,005 --> 00:06:15,297 So compared to back then, um, and to now, 98 00:06:15,381 --> 00:06:18,005 I would say that, um... 99 00:06:18,089 --> 00:06:21,005 McDonald's have made it so that 100 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:25,589 I can just lie without any stress, you know? 101 00:06:27,089 --> 00:06:29,547 - Um, a little over a year, back and forth. 102 00:06:29,631 --> 00:06:32,839 - Many of the winners were saying they lived in one area, 103 00:06:32,923 --> 00:06:34,547 but then had a post office box 104 00:06:34,631 --> 00:06:37,214 where they would have their winnings sent to, 105 00:06:37,297 --> 00:06:39,339 so they would set up fake addresses. 106 00:06:39,422 --> 00:06:41,881 And so, a lot of the evidence that I was gathering 107 00:06:41,964 --> 00:06:44,255 was around where they lived, 108 00:06:44,339 --> 00:06:46,381 exactly what store they won 109 00:06:46,464 --> 00:06:49,005 the McDonald's Monopoly piece at. 110 00:06:52,464 --> 00:06:54,923 - So, I said, "Gloria, do you remember 111 00:06:55,005 --> 00:06:56,673 the McDonald's where you went to claim the prize?" 112 00:06:56,756 --> 00:06:58,047 "Absolutely." 113 00:06:58,130 --> 00:06:59,881 "This is a picture." We took a picture of it 114 00:06:59,964 --> 00:07:02,798 and put it on this board and she said, "Oh, my God, 115 00:07:02,881 --> 00:07:06,381 that's exactly the one," and I said, "You know what, 116 00:07:06,464 --> 00:07:08,881 can you autograph that for us?" 117 00:07:11,798 --> 00:07:12,964 - "Thanks a million." 118 00:07:15,673 --> 00:07:16,839 - [laughing] 119 00:07:18,089 --> 00:07:19,589 - That picture that she signed, 120 00:07:19,673 --> 00:07:22,589 it was not in Hilton Head, South Carolina. 121 00:07:22,673 --> 00:07:24,547 It was Jacksonville, Florida. 122 00:07:30,756 --> 00:07:32,297 - No, I sure don't. 123 00:07:32,381 --> 00:07:36,005 - The fake address was a part of the scheme. 124 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:38,089 And so, Rick had this surveillance photo 125 00:07:38,172 --> 00:07:41,089 of a McDonald's right there in Jacksonville. 126 00:07:41,172 --> 00:07:44,506 And I go, "Oh, my God, that's perfect." 127 00:07:44,589 --> 00:07:46,547 So I take it with me. "What are you gonna do?" 128 00:07:46,631 --> 00:07:48,047 And I said, "I'm gonna-- I'm gonna use it. 129 00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:50,172 Wait and see. I'm gonna show you." 130 00:07:52,881 --> 00:07:56,005 And, as she's doing it, Amy, 131 00:07:56,089 --> 00:07:59,255 she's like, "Oh, my God, that's just-- 132 00:07:59,339 --> 00:08:01,255 that's not it. That's not it." 133 00:08:01,339 --> 00:08:03,798 And I'm looking over-- it's starting to get louder, 134 00:08:03,881 --> 00:08:07,130 and I'm like, I'm looking back, 135 00:08:07,214 --> 00:08:08,964 "Do you want that here? 136 00:08:09,047 --> 00:08:11,381 I mean--they almost can hear that." 137 00:08:12,464 --> 00:08:13,923 - Mm-hmm. - [indistinct speech] 138 00:08:14,005 --> 00:08:15,422 - That's what I love. [indistinct speech] 139 00:08:15,506 --> 00:08:16,547 Every time I talked to them, 140 00:08:16,631 --> 00:08:18,714 they would just lie, lie, lie. 141 00:08:18,798 --> 00:08:21,589 And it was perfect for the FBI because it was really 142 00:08:21,673 --> 00:08:24,047 building evidence and helping them build their case. 143 00:08:24,130 --> 00:08:25,506 But we also wanted to make sure 144 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:27,130 that it seemed like we were having fun. 145 00:08:27,214 --> 00:08:28,673 Because, once again, 146 00:08:28,756 --> 00:08:31,089 that's how it would be at a real shoot. 147 00:08:43,714 --> 00:08:45,214 - Okay. - Oh, wait--oh, there's-- 148 00:08:45,297 --> 00:08:46,839 - Uh, Doug brought a lot of that energy. 149 00:08:46,923 --> 00:08:48,714 - Up there? Okay. 150 00:08:49,673 --> 00:08:50,881 - Okay. [laughter] 151 00:08:54,005 --> 00:08:55,255 - Okay. Okay. 152 00:08:55,339 --> 00:08:56,714 - Okay. 153 00:08:58,339 --> 00:09:00,339 - That's typical Mathews. That's what he would do. 154 00:09:00,422 --> 00:09:02,297 - Thanks a million, McDonald's. [laughs] 155 00:09:02,381 --> 00:09:03,547 - Okay, look right in the camera 156 00:09:03,631 --> 00:09:04,839 and say it right there. 157 00:09:04,923 --> 00:09:06,673 - Thanks a million, McDonald's. 158 00:09:06,756 --> 00:09:08,798 - And it was hard sometimes to keep a straight face, 159 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:10,381 to be honest with you. 160 00:09:10,464 --> 00:09:12,714 It was very hard at times, 'cause the things we were 161 00:09:12,798 --> 00:09:16,381 doing with the light meter or the camera and sitting them 162 00:09:16,464 --> 00:09:19,047 and fixing them up, we had no idea. 163 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:21,464 - I got my McDonald's millions--million 164 00:09:21,547 --> 00:09:24,255 at Hilton Head in South Carolina, 165 00:09:24,339 --> 00:09:26,798 and it made me a... 166 00:09:28,547 --> 00:09:30,005 Millionaire. 167 00:09:30,089 --> 00:09:31,964 - [laughing] That's cute. 168 00:09:32,964 --> 00:09:34,464 - Pretty close, okay. 169 00:09:34,547 --> 00:09:37,047 - What I figured out at an early age in the bureau 170 00:09:37,130 --> 00:09:40,964 is, you push it and then you think it's--you keep pushing. 171 00:09:41,047 --> 00:09:43,381 You never know when you're gonna hit a wall. 172 00:09:43,464 --> 00:09:45,214 And, of course, I never found the bottom. 173 00:09:45,297 --> 00:09:47,005 The bottomless tea glass, right? 174 00:09:47,089 --> 00:09:49,464 It's perfect for me. Just keep going. 175 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:51,756 And, of course, she did. 176 00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:53,381 - Ron and I will s-- 177 00:09:53,464 --> 00:09:54,673 Ron-- Ugh. 178 00:09:58,172 --> 00:10:00,756 - Ron and I will see you in Vegas. 179 00:10:00,839 --> 00:10:02,506 Thank you, McDonald's. 180 00:10:06,881 --> 00:10:09,005 [laughter] 181 00:10:10,381 --> 00:10:12,255 - We knew it was such good evidence 182 00:10:12,339 --> 00:10:14,422 having Gloria sitting here, 183 00:10:14,506 --> 00:10:16,089 just making the story up. 184 00:10:16,172 --> 00:10:19,255 And doing it with this sincerity--this fake sincerity. 185 00:10:19,339 --> 00:10:21,798 It was--it was--as a criminal investigator, 186 00:10:21,881 --> 00:10:23,839 it was an awesome thing to behold. 187 00:10:24,673 --> 00:10:27,673 - There were so many different layers of the conspiracy 188 00:10:27,756 --> 00:10:29,798 that we were investigating, 189 00:10:29,881 --> 00:10:33,089 and the more sophisticated a scheme, 190 00:10:33,172 --> 00:10:36,923 the more difficult it is to prosecute the case. 191 00:10:37,005 --> 00:10:38,714 Now you have actual video production 192 00:10:38,798 --> 00:10:40,547 that you can show a jury. 193 00:10:40,631 --> 00:10:42,339 That's very powerful. 194 00:10:42,422 --> 00:10:45,172 [upbeat music] 195 00:10:45,255 --> 00:10:49,130 - By this time, literally almost the whole office now, 196 00:10:49,214 --> 00:10:52,964 or a big majority of them, have been diverted to work on 197 00:10:53,047 --> 00:10:54,839 what we call Operation Final Answer. 198 00:10:54,923 --> 00:10:57,798 ♪ ♪ 199 00:10:57,881 --> 00:11:01,005 - We worked seven days a week on a regular basis, 200 00:11:01,089 --> 00:11:03,297 but at times it did not feel like work. 201 00:11:03,381 --> 00:11:06,422 We had great camaraderie between all of the agents 202 00:11:06,506 --> 00:11:08,547 that were working it, and we knew the mission is-- 203 00:11:08,631 --> 00:11:10,255 what we were trying to accomplish 204 00:11:10,339 --> 00:11:11,798 was a noble one and a good one. 205 00:11:11,881 --> 00:11:14,297 Um, so nobody ever complained about it. 206 00:11:14,381 --> 00:11:17,714 ♪ ♪ 207 00:11:17,798 --> 00:11:20,381 - Things were moving fast, and naturally, 208 00:11:20,464 --> 00:11:23,172 we always want to move at our pace. 209 00:11:23,255 --> 00:11:25,756 We wanna control the timing of things, 210 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:28,255 and we did not have that luxury. 211 00:11:28,339 --> 00:11:30,172 The game was running. There was clock running 212 00:11:30,255 --> 00:11:32,547 on how long we could keep it a secret. 213 00:11:33,339 --> 00:11:35,839 Throughout this, we were really, really 214 00:11:35,923 --> 00:11:37,839 racking up incredible evidence, 215 00:11:37,923 --> 00:11:40,714 discovering new people, proving all different elements 216 00:11:40,798 --> 00:11:43,506 of what was going on. And we kind of knew 217 00:11:43,589 --> 00:11:45,172 the process of how these were placed, 218 00:11:45,255 --> 00:11:47,464 but the one thing that was still out there 219 00:11:47,547 --> 00:11:50,923 was how is Jerry Jacobson doing this? 220 00:11:51,005 --> 00:11:53,673 That was kind of this nagging, 221 00:11:53,756 --> 00:11:56,381 you know, this nagging question mark. 222 00:11:56,464 --> 00:11:58,381 - What we had to vet out here is, who-- 223 00:11:58,464 --> 00:12:00,297 who was helping Jerry? 224 00:12:03,297 --> 00:12:05,964 - Hilda Bennett was the CPA that would travel 225 00:12:06,047 --> 00:12:10,506 with Mr. Jacobson to these various manufacturing plants. 226 00:12:10,589 --> 00:12:14,798 And we didn't know, are they in cahoots? 227 00:12:15,964 --> 00:12:17,255 On an investigation, 228 00:12:17,339 --> 00:12:19,005 you just don't cut somebody out. 229 00:12:19,089 --> 00:12:23,089 And so, we had to surveil Ms. Bennett as well. 230 00:12:32,130 --> 00:12:35,047 - You want cheese? - Yep. 231 00:12:35,130 --> 00:12:38,923 - I need to get a large coffee 232 00:12:39,005 --> 00:12:42,589 with ten cream and five sugar. 233 00:12:42,673 --> 00:12:44,422 - Anything else? 234 00:12:44,506 --> 00:12:46,297 - Yep, another large coffee 235 00:12:46,381 --> 00:12:48,506 with ten cream and five Equal. 236 00:12:48,589 --> 00:12:49,589 - Okay. 237 00:12:49,673 --> 00:12:50,923 - That is Equal? - Yep. 238 00:12:51,005 --> 00:12:52,381 - Awesome, thank you. - You're welcome. 239 00:12:52,464 --> 00:12:55,005 - Have a great day. - Thank you. 240 00:12:56,506 --> 00:12:58,673 - Oh, that's perfect. 241 00:13:00,297 --> 00:13:03,506 The one time I've seen Uncle Jerry was up in Georgia. 242 00:13:03,589 --> 00:13:05,881 My brother went to go visit. 243 00:13:05,964 --> 00:13:07,714 I stayed in the car. 244 00:13:07,798 --> 00:13:10,422 I didn't get out of the car because he didn't directly 245 00:13:10,506 --> 00:13:13,130 involve me 'cause he was always trying to protect me. 246 00:13:13,214 --> 00:13:14,756 They don't want me to get involved. 247 00:13:14,839 --> 00:13:16,881 - But giving you a little taste at the same time. 248 00:13:16,964 --> 00:13:19,339 - I guess so, yeah, yeah. 249 00:13:19,422 --> 00:13:22,464 ♪ ♪ 250 00:13:22,547 --> 00:13:24,214 Uncle Jerry was a middle-aged guy. 251 00:13:24,297 --> 00:13:28,255 Just normal, average height, normal, average build. 252 00:13:28,339 --> 00:13:31,089 But size doesn't matter. Like my dad always used to say 253 00:13:31,172 --> 00:13:33,756 and still does say, "As long as this works, 254 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:35,964 that's all I need. One finger." 255 00:13:36,047 --> 00:13:37,214 And it's the truth. 256 00:13:37,297 --> 00:13:38,923 - And the family that's backing you. 257 00:13:39,005 --> 00:13:40,714 - Yeah, and a family that's backing you. 258 00:13:40,798 --> 00:13:42,422 That's a big thing. 259 00:13:43,714 --> 00:13:46,130 ♪ ♪ 260 00:13:46,214 --> 00:13:47,964 Jerome was getting the tickets, 261 00:13:48,047 --> 00:13:50,339 but when it came to...uh.. - Dispersing. 262 00:13:50,422 --> 00:13:53,047 - Dispersing the tickets, I don't think he had 263 00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:56,422 the resources to do the big 264 00:13:56,506 --> 00:13:58,297 $1 million hits everywhere, 265 00:13:58,381 --> 00:14:00,172 so I think that's where my brother 266 00:14:00,255 --> 00:14:02,172 took the reins of everything. 267 00:14:02,255 --> 00:14:05,130 So Uncle Jerry was getting 268 00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:07,923 the tickets and selling them to my brother 269 00:14:08,005 --> 00:14:10,673 and then my brother would sell them to other people 270 00:14:10,756 --> 00:14:15,589 and it was just a--literally, it was a monopoly of scams. 271 00:14:19,005 --> 00:14:21,422 Every ticket was a little different. 272 00:14:21,506 --> 00:14:23,214 The agreement with Uncle Jerry 273 00:14:23,297 --> 00:14:25,506 was depending on the value of the ticket. 274 00:14:25,589 --> 00:14:27,673 The $1 million tickets were going for 50 grand. 275 00:14:27,756 --> 00:14:30,506 Uncle Jerry would get the 50, 276 00:14:30,589 --> 00:14:34,339 and then my brother would get half of whoever won. 277 00:14:34,422 --> 00:14:36,839 And so, if they got the payments for 20 years 278 00:14:36,923 --> 00:14:38,422 and so forth, he'd get half, 279 00:14:38,506 --> 00:14:40,172 and then the winner would get half. 280 00:14:40,255 --> 00:14:42,339 So it was a better deal for my brother, long-term, 281 00:14:42,422 --> 00:14:45,172 than it was for Uncle Jerry. 282 00:14:45,255 --> 00:14:48,214 [light music] 283 00:14:48,297 --> 00:14:53,130 ♪ ♪ 284 00:14:53,214 --> 00:14:55,130 I really didn't think much of it, 285 00:14:55,214 --> 00:14:58,631 'cause someone had to win, so... 286 00:14:58,714 --> 00:15:00,589 In my brother's eyes, it was, "Okay, well, 287 00:15:00,673 --> 00:15:03,339 "instead of Joe Shmoe winning, I'm gonna make, 288 00:15:03,422 --> 00:15:05,464 you know, John Shmoe win." 289 00:15:05,547 --> 00:15:06,923 The money's still gonna go somewhere, 290 00:15:07,005 --> 00:15:09,255 you know, were just redirecting it. 291 00:15:10,506 --> 00:15:12,047 The $1 million ticket 292 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:13,714 was supposed to be our wedding gift. 293 00:15:13,798 --> 00:15:16,673 We were married November 24, 1997. 294 00:15:16,756 --> 00:15:18,214 - 1996. 295 00:15:18,297 --> 00:15:19,714 - 1996... 296 00:15:19,798 --> 00:15:21,464 let's start that over again. 297 00:15:21,547 --> 00:15:22,756 [laughter] 298 00:15:22,839 --> 00:15:24,172 Cut that. 299 00:15:24,255 --> 00:15:25,589 Whoops, I'm getting my ass kicked tonight. 300 00:15:25,673 --> 00:15:27,923 [laughter] Okay. 301 00:15:28,005 --> 00:15:30,881 Um, but that was gonna be our gift, our wedding gift. 302 00:15:30,964 --> 00:15:33,673 Free of charge. We didn't have to buy it. 303 00:15:35,881 --> 00:15:38,589 - The McDonald's piece was in one of the little, 304 00:15:38,673 --> 00:15:40,255 I guess you'd call them eggs, 305 00:15:40,339 --> 00:15:42,214 like your kids get toys in at the gumball machines. 306 00:15:42,297 --> 00:15:44,673 It was in there, in the back of the freezer, 307 00:15:44,756 --> 00:15:46,714 underneath two ice cube trays. 308 00:15:47,631 --> 00:15:49,339 I remember exactly how it sat. 309 00:15:49,422 --> 00:15:50,464 - It was just chilling. 310 00:15:50,547 --> 00:15:52,631 - It was just chilling. 311 00:15:54,297 --> 00:15:55,714 - I always looked up to my brother. 312 00:15:55,798 --> 00:15:58,756 He was my protector, pretty much. 313 00:15:58,839 --> 00:16:00,589 He would always come to visit me and throw me 314 00:16:00,673 --> 00:16:03,756 a couple thousand dollars, like it was me giving away 315 00:16:03,839 --> 00:16:05,881 a couple dollars to the kids. 316 00:16:06,005 --> 00:16:10,172 This is our son Frankie. He dropped about $150,000 317 00:16:10,255 --> 00:16:11,964 and we just decided to take a picture, 318 00:16:12,047 --> 00:16:13,506 we kind of--thought it was kind of funny. 319 00:16:13,589 --> 00:16:15,422 - I was so upset over that picture. 320 00:16:15,506 --> 00:16:16,714 Because it was such dirty money 321 00:16:16,798 --> 00:16:18,964 around such a clean, perfect baby. 322 00:16:19,047 --> 00:16:20,381 - Ah, it was pretty crazy, 323 00:16:20,464 --> 00:16:24,172 but...with that comes a price. 324 00:16:25,881 --> 00:16:28,464 - Put it this way. Uncle Jerry called my home 325 00:16:28,547 --> 00:16:30,964 at least three times a week 326 00:16:31,047 --> 00:16:33,339 to tell Jerry what he had to do next. 327 00:16:33,422 --> 00:16:35,047 And he and I would talk, you know, 328 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:37,964 sometimes 30 minutes, sometimes 45 minutes. 329 00:16:38,506 --> 00:16:41,464 And my husband would meet him in Atlanta. 330 00:16:41,547 --> 00:16:44,464 [dramatic music] 331 00:16:44,547 --> 00:16:46,130 ♪ ♪ 332 00:16:46,214 --> 00:16:49,005 - I don't know how many people he hooked up. 333 00:16:49,923 --> 00:16:51,881 - It was way more than I thought it was. 334 00:16:51,964 --> 00:16:54,506 - My brother had a lot of connections 335 00:16:54,589 --> 00:16:56,172 all over the place 'cause he had nightclubs 336 00:16:56,255 --> 00:16:58,381 and certain things that he was doing 337 00:16:58,464 --> 00:17:00,381 that I can't really mention, 'cause I'm sure the FBI's 338 00:17:00,464 --> 00:17:02,214 gonna watch this tape someday. [laughs] 339 00:17:02,297 --> 00:17:04,589 But there was a lot of things that he was into. 340 00:17:04,673 --> 00:17:07,839 So my brother started, you know, expanding 341 00:17:07,923 --> 00:17:10,756 to in-laws and brother-in-laws 342 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,172 and friends and friends of friends and... 343 00:17:13,255 --> 00:17:16,130 and that's how he took this little small operation 344 00:17:16,214 --> 00:17:18,047 and made it huge. 345 00:17:23,297 --> 00:17:25,422 - I was working at the airlines 346 00:17:25,506 --> 00:17:27,005 in Jacksonville here, 347 00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:30,422 and a passenger came through named Colombo. 348 00:17:30,506 --> 00:17:32,547 Right off the bat, he was very personable 349 00:17:32,631 --> 00:17:35,464 and, um, a gentleman. 350 00:17:36,464 --> 00:17:38,130 My last name was Italian, 351 00:17:38,214 --> 00:17:40,881 so he seemed to take a liking to me. 352 00:17:40,964 --> 00:17:42,881 First thing he said to me, he was like, 353 00:17:42,964 --> 00:17:44,464 "Hey, here's some money, go eat, go eat." 354 00:17:44,547 --> 00:17:46,422 And I just thought that was so funny because 355 00:17:46,506 --> 00:17:47,923 that's how Italians are. 356 00:17:48,005 --> 00:17:49,506 And it just made me feel 357 00:17:49,589 --> 00:17:52,464 at ease with him, that this is a good person. 358 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:57,214 I never knew he was married. I didn't really care because 359 00:17:57,297 --> 00:18:00,631 I didn't really have any relationship on that level, 360 00:18:00,714 --> 00:18:03,839 you know, in my mind anyways. 361 00:18:06,172 --> 00:18:08,506 One day, we were just driving around, and he says, 362 00:18:08,589 --> 00:18:12,506 "Hey, I want to show you something," so we pulled over. 363 00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:18,339 And, uh, he reaches around the backseat 364 00:18:18,422 --> 00:18:19,923 and he pulls out the winning pieces. 365 00:18:20,005 --> 00:18:22,547 It was, like, the whole thing. It's $100,000. 366 00:18:22,631 --> 00:18:24,839 And I was like, "Wow, so many people are trying 367 00:18:24,923 --> 00:18:26,923 "to win this thing, and you're sitting here 368 00:18:27,005 --> 00:18:28,547 with all four pieces." [laughs] 369 00:18:28,631 --> 00:18:30,589 You know, I'm like, "What?" 370 00:18:30,673 --> 00:18:31,839 "If you're interested," he says, 371 00:18:31,923 --> 00:18:33,923 "just walk in McDonald's 372 00:18:34,005 --> 00:18:35,923 "and this is what you gotta do 373 00:18:36,005 --> 00:18:38,422 and this is how it rolls." 374 00:18:38,506 --> 00:18:40,381 He goes, "I'll give you 20,000 now 375 00:18:40,464 --> 00:18:43,255 and I'll give you another 10,000 later." 376 00:18:43,339 --> 00:18:45,214 And I thought, "Wow, that's a lot of money," 377 00:18:45,297 --> 00:18:47,089 You know what I mean? I could go buy me a car, 378 00:18:47,172 --> 00:18:49,255 you know, I could go do some stuff, you know... 379 00:18:49,339 --> 00:18:51,756 'cause back then, you know, I'm working at the airlines, 380 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:55,297 what am I making? You know, $10 an hour? 381 00:18:55,381 --> 00:18:58,339 I was game for something exhilarating. 382 00:19:01,172 --> 00:19:03,005 So he had me fly to Philly. 383 00:19:03,089 --> 00:19:05,589 Being with I'm with the airlines, I can do that. 384 00:19:05,673 --> 00:19:07,798 He picked me up at the airport, 385 00:19:07,881 --> 00:19:09,714 we drove right to McDonald's 386 00:19:09,798 --> 00:19:12,089 and I didn't even have to think for myself, 387 00:19:12,172 --> 00:19:14,673 you know what I mean? Just follow the script. 388 00:19:14,756 --> 00:19:17,381 And that's exactly what I did. 389 00:19:18,422 --> 00:19:21,589 And I was just like, "Um, I--I'm the winner." 390 00:19:21,673 --> 00:19:23,547 And he's like, "Huh. 391 00:19:23,631 --> 00:19:25,381 So you're the winner." 392 00:19:26,255 --> 00:19:28,547 It was just too easy. 393 00:19:31,881 --> 00:19:33,631 But I didn't know... 394 00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:36,506 the aftermath that was to follow. 395 00:19:36,589 --> 00:19:39,005 I mean, 'cause there was things that nobody knew, 396 00:19:39,089 --> 00:19:42,589 and I just kept it all to myself. 397 00:19:49,089 --> 00:19:51,506 - My husband, he picked the winners, 398 00:19:51,589 --> 00:19:53,589 but he kept picking Italians 399 00:19:53,673 --> 00:19:56,339 on the East Coast. 400 00:19:56,422 --> 00:19:59,589 They were--they were kind of being stupid about it. 401 00:20:00,756 --> 00:20:03,506 Somebody was bound to get suspicious, 402 00:20:03,589 --> 00:20:05,339 so I told my husband, 403 00:20:05,422 --> 00:20:07,881 "I've got a friend in Jacksonville. 404 00:20:07,964 --> 00:20:11,255 Bring some women into it and women of color." 405 00:20:37,673 --> 00:20:40,172 - My name is Gloria Brown-Byer, 406 00:20:40,255 --> 00:20:42,047 and I live in Jacksonville. 407 00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:43,839 I've been here all my life. 408 00:20:46,422 --> 00:20:48,589 I didn't wanna be interviewed anymore. 409 00:20:48,673 --> 00:20:51,089 I don't want to talk to anybody else 410 00:20:51,172 --> 00:20:54,381 about the McDonald's thing. 411 00:20:54,464 --> 00:20:56,506 'Cause it was... 412 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,547 a whole lot. 413 00:21:00,589 --> 00:21:03,547 I was a McDonald's $1 million winner. 414 00:21:04,714 --> 00:21:07,923 And...this is the first time 415 00:21:08,005 --> 00:21:10,631 that I've really just had the opportunity to just-- 416 00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:13,214 to just really just say, "Okay, I'm gonna lay all 417 00:21:13,297 --> 00:21:15,381 my cards on the table and to tell everything." 418 00:21:15,464 --> 00:21:17,798 I mean...I mean--even though 419 00:21:17,881 --> 00:21:20,589 my sister was there, she don't know all the details. 420 00:21:20,673 --> 00:21:22,756 I mean, she'll be hearing this 421 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:25,673 for the first time herself, some of this stuff. 422 00:21:29,464 --> 00:21:34,297 I have a son, and I raised him as a single parent. 423 00:21:34,381 --> 00:21:36,756 He, as a child, was very understanding. 424 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:40,464 We had a relationship where, if money was not available, 425 00:21:40,547 --> 00:21:44,756 I'd discuss it with him, and we worked it out together. 426 00:21:45,673 --> 00:21:47,756 I always had to work, and I always managed 427 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:51,214 to keep a job, but it was always a struggle. 428 00:21:52,214 --> 00:21:55,005 Years passed by and I didn't see Robin 429 00:21:55,089 --> 00:21:57,714 for some years and, um, 430 00:21:57,798 --> 00:21:59,547 when she called me, 431 00:21:59,631 --> 00:22:01,547 she told me she had got married. 432 00:22:01,631 --> 00:22:04,130 I'm thinking maybe now she has somebody that can 433 00:22:04,214 --> 00:22:08,047 look out for her and she was very happy being with Jerry. 434 00:22:10,089 --> 00:22:12,130 I think it was in '97. 435 00:22:12,214 --> 00:22:14,130 Robin had called me and said 436 00:22:14,214 --> 00:22:16,339 she had something she wanted to discuss with me, 437 00:22:16,422 --> 00:22:18,255 but we couldn't talk about it over the phone. 438 00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:22,005 So Jerry asked me to come and visit. 439 00:22:22,089 --> 00:22:25,089 It was at their home in South Carolina. 440 00:22:26,089 --> 00:22:28,464 My first impression of Jerry Colombo was that 441 00:22:28,547 --> 00:22:31,673 he was a real-life comedian type guy, you know. 442 00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:34,005 And he treated me 443 00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:36,172 just like I had been around the whole time. 444 00:22:36,255 --> 00:22:40,339 But the thing that bothered me is that there was never 445 00:22:40,422 --> 00:22:43,172 any time that she and I could be alone, 446 00:22:43,255 --> 00:22:46,547 even when we went shopping, he went shopping with us. 447 00:22:46,631 --> 00:22:48,381 [laughing] 448 00:22:48,464 --> 00:22:49,964 One night I had just said, 449 00:22:50,047 --> 00:22:52,506 "Can you just leave us alone for a few minutes? 450 00:22:52,589 --> 00:22:54,089 Durn, Jerry." 451 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:55,506 And then he left us alone 452 00:22:55,589 --> 00:22:57,297 just for a few minutes, and he came back. 453 00:22:57,381 --> 00:23:00,464 We were not allowed to really discuss anything. 454 00:23:04,547 --> 00:23:07,422 Finally he talked to me about a proposition, 455 00:23:07,506 --> 00:23:11,798 and it was a proposition that would help me. 456 00:23:11,881 --> 00:23:13,714 He asked me, was I familiar 457 00:23:13,798 --> 00:23:15,589 with the McDonald's game piece? 458 00:23:15,673 --> 00:23:17,047 I said yes. 459 00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:18,381 So he said 460 00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:22,339 people are picked to be winners. 461 00:23:22,422 --> 00:23:24,673 This is how it's always been done. 462 00:23:24,756 --> 00:23:27,839 And then he told me that 463 00:23:27,923 --> 00:23:31,673 he would let me know what the next step was. 464 00:23:34,422 --> 00:23:37,172 When I first got the offer... 465 00:23:38,339 --> 00:23:40,381 I thought to myself 466 00:23:40,464 --> 00:23:43,339 that it was a blessing that came knocking at my door. 467 00:23:46,714 --> 00:23:48,089 And... 468 00:23:48,172 --> 00:23:49,714 you know, I was going to church 469 00:23:49,798 --> 00:23:54,047 and I was doing--trying to do the right thing and... 470 00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:58,547 my son was young, and I was making... 471 00:23:59,673 --> 00:24:04,339 Probably about $24,000 a year, it was just... 472 00:24:05,756 --> 00:24:07,673 By the time taxes and stuff come out, 473 00:24:07,756 --> 00:24:09,506 it's really nothing. 474 00:24:09,589 --> 00:24:12,214 And I just wanted a better life, 475 00:24:12,297 --> 00:24:14,631 and I just felt like this was my opportunity. 476 00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:16,964 And I said, "Well, 477 00:24:17,047 --> 00:24:20,214 this couldn't come to me if it wasn't meant for me." 478 00:24:24,881 --> 00:24:26,923 - My brother was always joking around, 479 00:24:27,005 --> 00:24:29,089 always making people laugh, always having a good time. 480 00:24:29,172 --> 00:24:33,756 Very lighthearted, uh, but if you pissed him off, 481 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,964 then he can have a temper as well. 482 00:24:36,047 --> 00:24:38,839 But he never was the type of person who would grab you 483 00:24:38,923 --> 00:24:40,464 or, you know, threaten you... - Or rough you up. 484 00:24:40,547 --> 00:24:41,631 - Or rough you up. 485 00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:43,464 You knew if he looked at you 486 00:24:43,547 --> 00:24:46,506 when he told you exactly what he wanted you to do, 487 00:24:46,589 --> 00:24:48,506 you knew you had to do it. 488 00:24:52,923 --> 00:24:55,881 - The whole relationship changed. 489 00:24:57,255 --> 00:25:00,464 It got to the point that I didn't talk to Robin anymore, 490 00:25:00,547 --> 00:25:03,297 I only talked to Jerry Colombo. 491 00:25:03,381 --> 00:25:08,172 And I finally got the information from him 492 00:25:08,255 --> 00:25:11,673 that I was gonna be a $1 million winner 493 00:25:11,756 --> 00:25:14,381 and that he needed me to come up with some money. 494 00:25:14,464 --> 00:25:17,255 And I'm asking him, "Why?" 495 00:25:17,339 --> 00:25:19,422 Then he said, "Everybody that wins 496 00:25:19,506 --> 00:25:22,339 has to give some upfront money." 497 00:25:22,422 --> 00:25:24,923 And I'm like, "How much?" 498 00:25:25,714 --> 00:25:28,005 And he asked me how much I could come up with? 499 00:25:28,089 --> 00:25:30,631 I said, "I really don't have any money," 500 00:25:30,714 --> 00:25:34,255 so he said, "Can you get money off your house?" 501 00:25:34,339 --> 00:25:37,297 [dramatic music] 502 00:25:37,381 --> 00:25:44,089 ♪ ♪ 503 00:25:44,172 --> 00:25:47,214 Can't back out now. He's told me too much. 504 00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:54,172 I mortgaged my home to get my upfront money. 505 00:25:54,255 --> 00:26:01,339 ♪ ♪ 506 00:26:06,297 --> 00:26:09,839 I put all the stuff I worked hard for on the line 507 00:26:09,923 --> 00:26:14,839 because I believed that this was my blessing. 508 00:26:20,464 --> 00:26:23,631 I met him on the side of the road 509 00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,547 and gave him my first portion of my money. 510 00:26:26,631 --> 00:26:33,839 ♪ ♪ 511 00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:41,881 It felt like something had just been ripped from me. 512 00:26:41,964 --> 00:26:43,798 And, you know, to meet somebody 513 00:26:43,881 --> 00:26:49,297 on the side of the road and give them cash money, 514 00:26:49,381 --> 00:26:52,172 that much at one time... 515 00:26:53,214 --> 00:26:55,005 that's more than I ever had in my hand at one time 516 00:26:55,089 --> 00:26:57,798 in my life, and I just had to give it all away. 517 00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:02,381 I just felt that I just had gave my life away 518 00:27:02,464 --> 00:27:06,005 and I'm giving it to somebody I don't know much about. 519 00:27:06,089 --> 00:27:08,923 Can I even trust this guy? You know. 520 00:27:09,005 --> 00:27:16,214 ♪ ♪ 521 00:27:43,047 --> 00:27:44,964 - Before my husband was working 522 00:27:45,047 --> 00:27:47,130 the Monopoly fraud game, 523 00:27:47,214 --> 00:27:51,464 we had my son, Francesco Gennaro Colombo. 524 00:27:51,547 --> 00:27:55,089 [indistinct speech] 525 00:27:55,172 --> 00:27:57,130 - Say hi to the camera, Frankie. 526 00:27:57,214 --> 00:28:00,005 - Hi, camera! [laughter] 527 00:28:00,089 --> 00:28:03,214 - Bye, camera. - Bye, camera. 528 00:28:03,297 --> 00:28:04,798 Easy. 529 00:28:04,881 --> 00:28:07,089 - Basketball. 530 00:28:07,172 --> 00:28:08,506 - [laughing] 531 00:28:08,589 --> 00:28:11,339 - I was, at times, really very happy. 532 00:28:11,422 --> 00:28:14,547 I had my son. I had some money. 533 00:28:14,631 --> 00:28:17,964 I should've at least been having a good time. 534 00:28:19,506 --> 00:28:22,005 But I was never satisfied, ever. 535 00:28:22,089 --> 00:28:24,172 Um, I went from home to home 536 00:28:24,255 --> 00:28:26,047 thinking that one was gonna make it better. 537 00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:27,589 You don't have friends. 538 00:28:27,673 --> 00:28:30,422 You can't bring friends into that lifestyle. 539 00:28:32,381 --> 00:28:35,172 Even though I adored my husband, 540 00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:37,714 I found out he had a mistress on the side, 541 00:28:37,798 --> 00:28:39,923 which I guess is a prerequisite 542 00:28:40,005 --> 00:28:43,464 of an Italian gangster to have a mistress. 543 00:28:50,631 --> 00:28:53,255 I was walking down the hallway to check on Frankie, 544 00:28:53,339 --> 00:28:55,798 while he was sleeping, when I heard my husband 545 00:28:55,881 --> 00:29:00,172 on the telephone saying, um... 546 00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:04,047 some unsavory words to her. 547 00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:06,381 And I barged in and I said, 548 00:29:06,464 --> 00:29:08,130 "Who the hell are you talking to?" 549 00:29:08,214 --> 00:29:10,964 And I took the phone from him. 550 00:29:12,172 --> 00:29:15,506 And I took it, and I slammed it across his face. 551 00:29:15,589 --> 00:29:17,255 - They did get in a lot of fights. 552 00:29:17,339 --> 00:29:20,339 Um, she would say a lot of mean, nasty things to him. 553 00:29:20,422 --> 00:29:22,589 She was very abusive, as far as physical-- 554 00:29:22,673 --> 00:29:24,255 slapping and so forth and so on. 555 00:29:24,339 --> 00:29:27,589 Robin would just try swinging and clawing at him. 556 00:29:27,673 --> 00:29:30,589 I mean, he would grab her hands and say, "Stop, stop, stop it." 557 00:29:30,673 --> 00:29:33,381 [doorbell rings] 558 00:29:36,172 --> 00:29:38,464 - Anytime I threatened to leave him, 559 00:29:38,547 --> 00:29:41,172 Uncle Jerry would step in. 560 00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,589 Send 15 grand, buy me a car, 561 00:29:47,673 --> 00:29:50,297 um, whatever to appease me. 562 00:29:50,381 --> 00:29:52,506 And, um... 563 00:29:54,339 --> 00:29:56,506 So I wouldn't leave. 564 00:29:58,339 --> 00:30:01,923 - My brother was always making money and he was never home. 565 00:30:02,005 --> 00:30:04,089 He always had an excuse to go somewhere, 566 00:30:04,172 --> 00:30:06,089 to go on a business trip, to be somewhere. 567 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:09,047 Um...so I knew he wasn't happy. 568 00:30:09,714 --> 00:30:12,297 During the Monopoly situation, 569 00:30:12,381 --> 00:30:14,756 my brother wanted to open up a club 570 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,464 in Ladson County, South Carolina. 571 00:30:17,547 --> 00:30:19,422 I believe he was trying to get away 572 00:30:19,506 --> 00:30:21,547 from the life of crime and he was trying to make 573 00:30:21,631 --> 00:30:23,464 a legitimate business. 574 00:30:23,547 --> 00:30:27,089 So he opened up a place called the Fuzzy Bunny. 575 00:30:27,172 --> 00:30:30,047 - The Fuzzy Bunny opened its doors just a half hour ago, 576 00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:32,464 opening the doors to a steamy controversy. 577 00:30:32,547 --> 00:30:33,964 Gurnal? 578 00:30:34,047 --> 00:30:36,005 - Well, Debbie, we are here at the Fuzzy Bunny, 579 00:30:36,089 --> 00:30:38,464 which is located on Highway 78 and Royal, 580 00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:41,506 just down the road from the Fairgrounds in Ladson. 581 00:30:41,589 --> 00:30:43,673 And the entertainment and the dancing 582 00:30:43,756 --> 00:30:45,631 have begun here at the club. 583 00:30:45,714 --> 00:30:48,339 - He had some dancers, they were wearing, um, 584 00:30:48,422 --> 00:30:49,673 bikini tops... 585 00:30:49,756 --> 00:30:51,381 - And pasties. It was not full nudity. 586 00:30:51,464 --> 00:30:52,756 - Wasn't fully nudity. 587 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:54,339 He wanted to do classy places. 588 00:30:54,422 --> 00:30:55,714 - He had his morals. 589 00:30:55,798 --> 00:30:57,214 - Yeah, he had-- he had his morals. 590 00:30:57,297 --> 00:30:58,881 - I got girls in Daisy Dukes, tops. 591 00:30:58,964 --> 00:31:02,130 I got volleyball courts being built outside, um... 592 00:31:02,214 --> 00:31:04,464 I have live concerts here on the weekends. 593 00:31:04,547 --> 00:31:06,172 Basically, that's about it, really. 594 00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:08,130 - He wanted to make, like, a gentlemen's club. 595 00:31:08,214 --> 00:31:10,381 And his goal was to open up four or five of these 596 00:31:10,464 --> 00:31:13,089 all through Hilton Head and North and South Carolina. 597 00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:14,673 The county kept on fighting him 598 00:31:14,756 --> 00:31:17,172 and fighting him and fighting him. 599 00:31:17,255 --> 00:31:19,839 They kept on shutting him down for this permit, that permit. 600 00:31:19,923 --> 00:31:21,422 - That's not gonna stop you from... 601 00:31:21,506 --> 00:31:23,464 - That's not gonna stop us. My attorney told me 602 00:31:23,547 --> 00:31:26,255 we can--I mean, whatever we gotta do, we're gonna do. 603 00:31:26,339 --> 00:31:28,297 I mean, I'm out here trying to earn a living for my family 604 00:31:28,381 --> 00:31:29,714 just like you are, and that's it. 605 00:31:29,798 --> 00:31:31,047 - I was proud of him 606 00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:32,589 for actually doing something legal for once. 607 00:31:32,673 --> 00:31:33,881 - The one time he tried to do something legit. 608 00:31:33,964 --> 00:31:35,339 - Right? 609 00:31:35,422 --> 00:31:36,673 - Some people have already trickled in 610 00:31:36,756 --> 00:31:37,881 to the establishment here... 611 00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:40,798 - Coming soon, Fuzzy Bunny's. 612 00:31:40,881 --> 00:31:42,631 I hate it so much. 613 00:31:42,714 --> 00:31:45,714 And I told my husband, I said, "I know you, 614 00:31:45,798 --> 00:31:48,214 "you couldn't just open a club. 615 00:31:48,297 --> 00:31:51,005 You have to try 'em out." 616 00:31:51,089 --> 00:31:53,964 And I told him to stop. 617 00:31:54,047 --> 00:31:55,381 - There is an existing court order 618 00:31:55,464 --> 00:31:57,506 where the club cannot be opened. 619 00:31:59,714 --> 00:32:02,339 - Three months later, I thought he had sold it 620 00:32:02,422 --> 00:32:05,881 or whatever, so no more Fuzzy Bunny. 621 00:32:05,964 --> 00:32:10,005 And then one night my son and I went out to dinner, 622 00:32:10,089 --> 00:32:13,255 and he was like two, about two years old. 623 00:32:13,339 --> 00:32:16,547 We're driving down the road, and I pass Fuzzy Bunny. 624 00:32:16,631 --> 00:32:18,756 And I looked, and there's a bunch of guys 625 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,089 and I'm like, "Damn, there's my car." 626 00:32:21,172 --> 00:32:23,005 I got a little closer, and I said, 627 00:32:23,089 --> 00:32:24,673 "And there's my big, fat husband." 628 00:32:24,756 --> 00:32:30,130 And I turned around and I jumped up on the curb and I-- 629 00:32:32,589 --> 00:32:34,422 And Jerry, he was sitting back 630 00:32:34,506 --> 00:32:38,047 like a big, fat cat on the phone. 631 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:40,589 And I just punched him right in the jaw. 632 00:32:40,673 --> 00:32:43,547 I said, "You are so divorced." 633 00:32:44,339 --> 00:32:46,255 All the guys are just standing there 634 00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,798 just staring, and I said, 635 00:32:47,881 --> 00:32:50,547 "You're going down. All you motherfuckers 636 00:32:50,631 --> 00:32:52,464 "are going down. Every single one of you. 637 00:32:52,547 --> 00:32:54,964 I'm going to the FBI," I said, 638 00:32:55,047 --> 00:32:57,381 "I'm going to the Witness Protection Program," 639 00:32:57,464 --> 00:33:00,506 I said, "so just watch out." 640 00:33:05,005 --> 00:33:07,839 So I go to a payphone; I called my parents. 641 00:33:07,923 --> 00:33:11,756 And I said, "Mom, I need you to take two names down." 642 00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:13,923 She goes, "What the hell have you done?" 643 00:33:14,005 --> 00:33:16,381 I said, "Well I just threatened three goons 644 00:33:16,464 --> 00:33:21,130 "with the FBI, so if you don't hear from me in a couple days, 645 00:33:21,214 --> 00:33:24,214 you are to contact them and give them these names." 646 00:33:24,297 --> 00:33:26,673 And Uncle Jerry was the top of that-- 647 00:33:26,756 --> 00:33:29,381 on that...list. 648 00:33:30,089 --> 00:33:31,381 They beat me home. 649 00:33:31,464 --> 00:33:34,255 My husband and two big-ass goons. 650 00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:37,839 And I said, "This is what I want. 651 00:33:37,923 --> 00:33:42,130 I want a moving truck here and a divorce." 652 00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,464 He goes, "Robin, you're never leaving me. 653 00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:49,297 "There is no divorce. 654 00:33:49,381 --> 00:33:51,297 You're stuck with me." 655 00:33:52,255 --> 00:33:55,172 So I called Uncle Jerry, and he says, 656 00:33:55,255 --> 00:33:57,381 "You married the wrong guy," 657 00:33:57,464 --> 00:34:00,422 and he asked me to marry him. 658 00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:02,923 Yeah. 659 00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:06,756 - Yeah. 660 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,172 And I told him no. 661 00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:12,881 I thought, you know, "I'm never gonna get out of this," 662 00:34:12,964 --> 00:34:15,089 so I stayed. 663 00:34:15,172 --> 00:34:17,839 But I was a prisoner in my own home. 664 00:34:36,005 --> 00:34:38,464 - Jerry Colombo told me that I had to have 665 00:34:38,547 --> 00:34:40,381 a South Carolina address. 666 00:34:40,464 --> 00:34:44,631 And he had a cousin that lived at this particular spot, 667 00:34:44,714 --> 00:34:47,172 and this was gonna be my address. 668 00:34:48,130 --> 00:34:49,964 And at that point, I'm like, 669 00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:51,673 "Oh, gosh." 670 00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:55,339 This isn't what I was expecting. 671 00:34:57,005 --> 00:35:00,756 He coached me on some things that I needed to say 672 00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:03,631 and work on and believe... 673 00:35:03,714 --> 00:35:08,047 I had to leave my voice on the voicemail as if it was my home. 674 00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:09,756 Hi, this is Gloria. 675 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:12,631 Leave a message, and I'll get back with you. 676 00:35:12,714 --> 00:35:15,547 He made me do it till I got it right. 677 00:35:15,631 --> 00:35:18,005 You know, he wanted the right tone, you know. 678 00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:19,589 It had to be happy. 679 00:35:20,714 --> 00:35:24,214 One of the things that constantly crossed my mind 680 00:35:24,297 --> 00:35:28,422 is that my life was in danger. 681 00:35:28,506 --> 00:35:32,631 I had no other option but to take this process through. 682 00:35:34,839 --> 00:35:37,464 Robin knew all of my family 683 00:35:37,547 --> 00:35:40,381 and my son. 684 00:35:41,381 --> 00:35:43,714 I just kind of felt like I was trapped. 685 00:35:44,923 --> 00:35:47,589 It was no way out, but to go through it. 686 00:35:48,381 --> 00:35:50,255 When time to turn the game piece in, 687 00:35:50,339 --> 00:35:52,798 he picked me up with two men. 688 00:35:52,881 --> 00:35:54,798 I didn't know either one of them. 689 00:35:54,881 --> 00:35:56,714 I almost felt kidnapped in a sense, 690 00:35:56,798 --> 00:35:58,673 you know what I'm saying? It's like, 691 00:35:58,756 --> 00:36:00,547 "You're here, and you're gonna ride with us 692 00:36:00,631 --> 00:36:02,422 and you're gonna do what we say." 693 00:36:03,881 --> 00:36:05,506 "And you're gonna do it right." 694 00:36:07,464 --> 00:36:08,798 All the way there, 695 00:36:08,881 --> 00:36:10,297 Jerry Colombo never stopped talking. 696 00:36:10,381 --> 00:36:11,589 Telling me what to do 697 00:36:11,673 --> 00:36:12,798 and what you're gonna say. 698 00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:13,964 I mean, he was just drilling-- 699 00:36:14,047 --> 00:36:16,005 and how you're gonna do it. 700 00:36:16,089 --> 00:36:18,464 And they drove me to the McDonald's 701 00:36:18,547 --> 00:36:21,881 that they had picked out that I was gonna go to. 702 00:36:21,964 --> 00:36:25,506 He parked the car in the corner. 703 00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:29,130 The ticket was in a little vial about this tall 704 00:36:29,214 --> 00:36:31,547 with a cap on it. 705 00:36:32,923 --> 00:36:35,339 There I was, walking down this block 706 00:36:35,422 --> 00:36:37,673 in a place I had never been before. 707 00:36:37,756 --> 00:36:40,005 It was like bank robbery or something, you know? 708 00:36:40,089 --> 00:36:41,255 They on the block down at the end. 709 00:36:41,339 --> 00:36:42,506 They don't wanna be seen. 710 00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:44,798 They down the street, the getaway car. 711 00:36:44,881 --> 00:36:48,756 And I'm like, "Oh, Lord, this could go so bad." 712 00:36:50,547 --> 00:36:53,089 A lot of things was going through my mind. 713 00:36:54,255 --> 00:36:58,047 Am I gonna lie enough to be believable? 714 00:36:58,130 --> 00:37:01,089 Am I gonna mess up and then I'm in trouble? 715 00:37:01,172 --> 00:37:04,631 Just all kind of stuff was going through my head. 716 00:37:04,714 --> 00:37:08,130 Am I going to jail today behind this foolishness? 717 00:37:09,047 --> 00:37:11,381 And at this point in time, 718 00:37:11,464 --> 00:37:14,255 I was about to panic. 719 00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:16,589 And I'm saying to myself... 720 00:37:16,673 --> 00:37:18,964 "Oh, Lord, Jesus." 721 00:37:19,047 --> 00:37:21,756 I wanted to cry before I got into the place 722 00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:25,130 and I said, "No, you can't go in there upset." 723 00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:28,631 I had to not be Gloria at that time, 724 00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:33,506 I had to become somebody else to make it believable. 725 00:37:39,964 --> 00:37:42,547 Here we go. 726 00:37:45,172 --> 00:37:47,798 I had to go in and stand to this counter 727 00:37:47,881 --> 00:37:52,047 and tell them that it looked like I'd been a winner. 728 00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:56,381 The manager came out said, "Have a seat." 729 00:37:56,464 --> 00:37:59,297 And I had to give them my information-- 730 00:37:59,381 --> 00:38:03,673 the fake telephone number, the fake address. 731 00:38:03,756 --> 00:38:06,714 [dramatic music] 732 00:38:06,798 --> 00:38:13,881 ♪ ♪ 733 00:38:45,798 --> 00:38:48,881 And then they finally came out and congratulated me. 734 00:38:48,964 --> 00:38:52,089 The manager at the McDonald's, the cashiers, 735 00:38:52,172 --> 00:38:54,297 everybody running around so happy 736 00:38:54,381 --> 00:38:58,589 that they got the winner come to their McDonald's. 737 00:38:59,464 --> 00:39:01,130 And there I was, I couldn't even hardly 738 00:39:01,214 --> 00:39:02,964 put a smile on my face. 739 00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:10,172 By the time I got to the car-- got back to the car, 740 00:39:10,255 --> 00:39:12,464 Jerry Colombo was having a fit. 741 00:39:13,714 --> 00:39:16,422 Because it had take-- it took too long. 742 00:39:17,798 --> 00:39:20,673 And there he was, as soon as I get in the car, 743 00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:22,547 "Okay, what took you so long?" 744 00:39:22,631 --> 00:39:24,339 Then I had to explain to him. 745 00:39:24,422 --> 00:39:26,631 "Well what were you doing all that time?" 746 00:39:26,714 --> 00:39:28,964 "I was sitting waiting," you know. 747 00:39:29,673 --> 00:39:31,214 "What did they tell you?" 748 00:39:31,297 --> 00:39:35,089 So they told me they'd get back--be getting back with me. 749 00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:38,339 I hung around another day 750 00:39:38,422 --> 00:39:41,130 and then I came on back to Jacksonville. 751 00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:44,089 And went back to work 752 00:39:44,172 --> 00:39:47,172 like nothing had happened and I just had to wait. 753 00:39:51,506 --> 00:39:53,381 - They don't want to see this club open up. 754 00:39:53,464 --> 00:39:55,172 - And anybody in the Ladson-Summerville area 755 00:39:55,255 --> 00:39:57,047 knows that place has been a bar for 50 years. 756 00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:59,422 It's been a bikers' club. It's been a nightclub. 757 00:39:59,506 --> 00:40:00,964 It's been a lounge. 758 00:40:01,047 --> 00:40:02,881 - My brother would use 759 00:40:02,964 --> 00:40:04,839 loopholes after loophole after loophole, 760 00:40:04,923 --> 00:40:06,964 and they finally came up with one that was saying, 761 00:40:07,047 --> 00:40:10,130 uh, you can't have female dancers within 762 00:40:10,214 --> 00:40:11,798 1,000 feet of a school or something-- 763 00:40:11,881 --> 00:40:13,714 something to that nature, what it was. 764 00:40:13,798 --> 00:40:17,047 So he turned the Fuzzy Bunny 765 00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:19,089 into the Church of Fuzzy Bunny. 766 00:40:19,172 --> 00:40:20,547 - The Church of Fuzzy Bunny's 767 00:40:20,631 --> 00:40:21,881 - The Church of Fuzzy Bunny's. 768 00:40:21,964 --> 00:40:23,297 - The transformation of their club 769 00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:24,589 into a church... 770 00:40:24,673 --> 00:40:26,923 - Dancing girls, alcoholic drinks, 771 00:40:27,005 --> 00:40:28,089 and the Bible? 772 00:40:28,172 --> 00:40:29,464 Lowcountry Preachers 773 00:40:29,547 --> 00:40:32,506 say the switch from Fuzzy Bunny Club 774 00:40:32,589 --> 00:40:34,089 to Fuzzy Bunny Church 775 00:40:34,172 --> 00:40:36,464 is nothing but blasphemy. 776 00:40:36,547 --> 00:40:38,047 - I really, honestly, didn't see the big deal in it, 777 00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:39,756 I'll be honest with you. 100%, I swear. 778 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:41,756 And I mean, I'm a woman, but I--I really 779 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:43,714 didn't see the-- the huge deal. 780 00:40:43,798 --> 00:40:46,214 - Those two don't mix, as far as I'm concerned. 781 00:40:46,297 --> 00:40:49,506 Church and strip joints just don't mix. 782 00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:51,089 - Yeah, but they can't fool people. 783 00:40:51,172 --> 00:40:52,839 No good people is gonna be going in that place. 784 00:40:52,923 --> 00:40:54,506 - I don't see nothing with having a place 785 00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:56,130 where you can come in, say a few prayers, 786 00:40:56,214 --> 00:40:59,422 have a couple drinks, see some women dancing. 787 00:40:59,506 --> 00:41:01,506 - He liked to be the center of attention, 788 00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:03,172 uh, and if you messed with him, 789 00:41:03,255 --> 00:41:05,798 he would just play that game as long as it took. 790 00:41:05,881 --> 00:41:07,297 - Marianne, you're next on the line 791 00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:08,714 with Jerry Colombo, go ahead. 792 00:41:08,798 --> 00:41:10,130 Go ahead, Marianne. 793 00:41:10,214 --> 00:41:12,214 - Yes, um, I think what you're doing 794 00:41:12,297 --> 00:41:14,422 is an abomination to God. 795 00:41:15,422 --> 00:41:18,130 And it's wrong, it's wrong in the eyes of God. 796 00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:20,255 And really, it's wrong in morals, too. 797 00:41:20,339 --> 00:41:21,339 - All right. 798 00:41:21,422 --> 00:41:22,714 - Thank you. 799 00:41:22,798 --> 00:41:24,130 - Well, I guess God hasn't talked to you lately. 800 00:41:24,214 --> 00:41:25,673 He came to me in a dream a couple weeks ago, 801 00:41:25,756 --> 00:41:27,923 and he told me what I'm doing is fine. 802 00:41:28,005 --> 00:41:30,631 - You say that with somewhat of a smirk on your face, 803 00:41:30,714 --> 00:41:32,130 I mean, you had to have... 804 00:41:32,214 --> 00:41:34,130 - I did have--I did have a dream one night, that's why. 805 00:41:34,214 --> 00:41:35,589 - Well, we all have dreams, 806 00:41:35,673 --> 00:41:37,005 I don't know if it's divine intervention. 807 00:41:37,089 --> 00:41:38,964 - This one was divine. 808 00:41:39,047 --> 00:41:40,339 - We never went. - No. 809 00:41:40,422 --> 00:41:42,798 - No--but it sounded like a fun time, though. 810 00:41:42,881 --> 00:41:46,297 - I mean, a little prayer, a little pasties... 811 00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:48,089 - Right? [laughter] 812 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:50,547 - All the publicity that has come out of this situation 813 00:41:50,631 --> 00:41:53,381 with Fuzzy Bunny's has earned owner, Jerry Colombo, 814 00:41:53,464 --> 00:41:56,005 notice from "The National Enquirer," 815 00:41:56,089 --> 00:41:58,130 Comedy Central, the cable channel, 816 00:41:58,214 --> 00:42:00,964 and this Friday, he has a scheduled guest appearance 817 00:42:01,047 --> 00:42:03,381 on the David Letterman show. 818 00:42:11,255 --> 00:42:13,547 - Oh, yeah. Yes. 819 00:42:14,255 --> 00:42:16,172 - Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper. 820 00:42:16,255 --> 00:42:18,130 - Jerry Colombo... - Jerry Colombo... 821 00:42:18,214 --> 00:42:19,589 - Jerry Colombo... 822 00:42:19,673 --> 00:42:21,506 - Jerry Colombo... - Jerry Colombo... 823 00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:24,506 [dramatic music] 824 00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:31,381 ♪ ♪ 825 00:42:31,464 --> 00:42:35,506 - This is my first letter of congratulation. 826 00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:39,172 They're congratulating me for being a $1 million winner 827 00:42:39,255 --> 00:42:42,964 and explaining to me that I'll be getting $50,000 828 00:42:43,047 --> 00:42:47,172 for, um, the next 20 years. 829 00:42:49,756 --> 00:42:51,339 The check came in the mail, 830 00:42:51,422 --> 00:42:53,005 which--that went to my fake address. 831 00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:55,673 And Jerry brought it to me, and I told him 832 00:42:55,756 --> 00:42:58,756 I'll deposit the check, and then he said, 833 00:42:58,839 --> 00:43:01,506 "You didn't get any cash off of it?" 834 00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:04,214 I'm like, "No, they gotta put a hold on it." 835 00:43:04,297 --> 00:43:07,047 During that time, my bank account was always low, 836 00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:09,673 so I had to go back to the bank 837 00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:12,005 and insist on getting something. 838 00:43:15,005 --> 00:43:19,089 So I got $2,000 and I gave it to him. 839 00:43:19,172 --> 00:43:22,297 When it did clear, he was calling me to add 840 00:43:22,381 --> 00:43:24,631 to the 2,000 and make it 25. 841 00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:30,464 So I just took the money and gave it to him. 842 00:43:31,506 --> 00:43:33,673 Didn't ask any questions. 843 00:43:33,756 --> 00:43:36,798 He worked out a deal where 844 00:43:36,881 --> 00:43:40,005 what I had, he took and, um, 845 00:43:40,089 --> 00:43:45,297 for the first five years, I had to give them... 846 00:43:45,381 --> 00:43:49,839 give Jerry Colombo $25,000. 847 00:43:54,714 --> 00:43:56,130 Nothing changed for me. 848 00:43:56,214 --> 00:43:58,881 Now, I never acted like I had money. 849 00:44:00,673 --> 00:44:04,047 'Cause I was in a deeper hole than I was before I did it. 850 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:06,255 Took my mortgage up higher, of course. 851 00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:09,422 I went from paying 300 and something a month 852 00:44:09,506 --> 00:44:11,005 to $1,000, 853 00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:12,798 so I was just like-- "Phew!" 854 00:44:12,881 --> 00:44:15,547 That's when I found out about the taxes. 855 00:44:16,339 --> 00:44:21,381 Jerry Colombo got $25,000 each time before taxes. 856 00:44:28,214 --> 00:44:30,381 I didn't go out and buy anything. 857 00:44:30,464 --> 00:44:32,964 I couldn't buy anything. 858 00:44:33,047 --> 00:44:34,798 I was so stressed. 859 00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:37,714 Well, Jerry Colombo always had to consult 860 00:44:37,798 --> 00:44:41,130 with the head man. "Let me call Uncle Jerry." 861 00:44:41,214 --> 00:44:46,506 Uncle Jerry is being reported to about everything. 862 00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:49,089 During that time, I felt like Uncle Jerry 863 00:44:49,172 --> 00:44:52,673 was the main mob man. [chuckles] 864 00:44:53,464 --> 00:44:57,130 Within that first year, McDonald's wanted me to do 865 00:44:57,214 --> 00:44:58,381 all this publicity. 866 00:44:58,464 --> 00:45:00,464 But I just couldn't get into it. 867 00:45:01,547 --> 00:45:05,881 Jerry Colombo's thing was, "They want you to advertise 868 00:45:05,964 --> 00:45:09,547 "because you are the first black, 869 00:45:09,631 --> 00:45:11,923 "and you're female. 870 00:45:12,005 --> 00:45:13,631 And you got the $1 million." 871 00:45:14,756 --> 00:45:18,214 And I'm saying to myself, "Yeah, but... 872 00:45:18,297 --> 00:45:20,297 "I don't wanna keep talking to people 873 00:45:20,381 --> 00:45:22,047 "and telling people this story 874 00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:24,756 over and over and over and over and over." 875 00:45:24,839 --> 00:45:27,673 But he said that we had to do this. 876 00:45:28,673 --> 00:45:30,214 We stayed in the Four Seasons. 877 00:45:30,297 --> 00:45:32,047 I think that was the first time I ever had 878 00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:34,255 the opportunity to just order what I want off the menu 879 00:45:34,339 --> 00:45:35,964 and not worry about a tab. 880 00:45:36,047 --> 00:45:38,130 Then I came in here and the girl took so long 881 00:45:38,214 --> 00:45:40,631 to come out and I said, "This must be real." 882 00:45:40,714 --> 00:45:44,631 So, you know, it's just--it's just all beginning to set in. 883 00:45:44,714 --> 00:45:47,089 Just--I just don't know how to describe it. 884 00:45:47,172 --> 00:45:49,047 It's undescribable. 885 00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:52,172 The best part about it, the whole thing, 886 00:45:52,255 --> 00:45:55,589 is that I got a chance to meet Sherman Hemsley. 887 00:46:00,506 --> 00:46:02,839 The marketing company, they had a big celebration. 888 00:46:02,923 --> 00:46:04,756 It was something like a promotion type thing 889 00:46:04,839 --> 00:46:06,172 and Jerry Colombo said, 890 00:46:06,255 --> 00:46:08,964 "Uncle Jerry's gonna be in the audience." 891 00:46:09,047 --> 00:46:12,130 And I'm like, "God..." [inhales] 892 00:46:12,214 --> 00:46:14,047 So... 893 00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:16,881 they had this big check for me to hold 894 00:46:16,964 --> 00:46:20,881 and take a picture and then they say, "Speak!" 895 00:46:20,964 --> 00:46:22,673 I'm like... [sighs] 896 00:46:22,756 --> 00:46:24,089 Here I go. 897 00:46:24,172 --> 00:46:26,506 More lies. 898 00:46:28,714 --> 00:46:30,422 I was kind of out of it. 899 00:46:30,506 --> 00:46:32,255 I could hear the cameras going. 900 00:46:32,339 --> 00:46:34,422 The whole time I'm thinking about this mob man 901 00:46:34,506 --> 00:46:36,339 in the audience. 902 00:46:36,422 --> 00:46:38,798 Never seen a picture of him, 903 00:46:38,881 --> 00:46:41,673 didn't know who I was looking for, 904 00:46:41,756 --> 00:46:46,673 but I kept looking to see which one it could be. 905 00:46:46,756 --> 00:46:49,130 After that, I finally just told him, 906 00:46:49,214 --> 00:46:51,464 "I don't want to do anything else. 907 00:46:52,422 --> 00:46:56,714 Don't--don't put me out to do anything else." 908 00:46:56,798 --> 00:47:00,798 Jerry Colombo said, "Uncle Jerry was in the crowd. 909 00:47:00,881 --> 00:47:03,339 He said you did great." 910 00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:10,339 It just was little things like that, that made sure, 911 00:47:10,422 --> 00:47:11,881 I guess, I stayed on my toes 912 00:47:11,964 --> 00:47:13,964 and did what I needed to do and do it proper. 913 00:47:14,047 --> 00:47:19,339 So I was still under that web the whole time. 914 00:47:19,422 --> 00:47:22,964 I didn't know where to turn. I didn't know what to do. 915 00:47:23,047 --> 00:47:25,631 There's just really no way out of it. 916 00:47:27,214 --> 00:47:30,047 And I said to myself, "Now what's next?" 917 00:47:38,547 --> 00:47:42,130 - As soon as I got that check, things changed. 918 00:47:46,589 --> 00:47:50,589 I'm in his car, and we're going to this bank. 919 00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:56,172 We needed to get the check cashed right there. 920 00:47:57,005 --> 00:48:00,547 And all the money went right to Jerry's hands. 921 00:48:01,422 --> 00:48:05,047 The teller said to me, he said, "Get that money. 922 00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:08,464 It's $50,000 taxes on that. 923 00:48:08,547 --> 00:48:10,255 Make sure you get that." 924 00:48:10,339 --> 00:48:12,756 But I didn't think anything of it. 925 00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:15,172 It just kind of-- you go numb, you know, 926 00:48:15,255 --> 00:48:16,631 there's just no thought. 927 00:48:16,714 --> 00:48:19,631 And that's kind of how I felt, I think, 928 00:48:19,714 --> 00:48:22,172 with that money, 'cause it's not mine. 929 00:48:23,464 --> 00:48:25,964 He said that he had to go to Uncle Jerry first, 930 00:48:26,047 --> 00:48:27,589 give him his piece of pie 931 00:48:27,673 --> 00:48:29,631 and then everybody gets a piece of pie 932 00:48:29,714 --> 00:48:31,673 and it has to go, you know, 933 00:48:31,756 --> 00:48:36,047 in that order before I can get my money. 934 00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:39,673 So I--I kept calling him and calling him and he would like 935 00:48:39,756 --> 00:48:42,047 call me back and say, "I'm gonna get the money for you, 936 00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:43,673 "I got the money on me, 937 00:48:43,756 --> 00:48:46,130 it's gonna be like another week," or whatever, 938 00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:47,673 he just kept putting me off. 939 00:48:47,756 --> 00:48:51,631 I heard the difference in his voice, like, like-- 940 00:48:51,714 --> 00:48:55,089 like, "Don't bug me. You're gonna get your money." 941 00:48:55,172 --> 00:48:58,089 I--I believed... 942 00:48:58,172 --> 00:49:01,798 that Gennaro owed Uncle Jerry money. 943 00:49:03,255 --> 00:49:07,756 I believe the money got too big 944 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:12,005 to not take a bigger piece of that pie. 945 00:49:12,089 --> 00:49:17,005 Because the spending habits became bigger and grander. 946 00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:20,297 And I'm thinking, "Okay, 947 00:49:20,381 --> 00:49:22,839 that's why I'm not getting my money." 948 00:49:25,422 --> 00:49:28,297 - I'm wondering if the local banks will have the money... 949 00:49:28,381 --> 00:49:30,297 - Mm-hmm. [laughter] 950 00:49:30,381 --> 00:49:32,339 - You know, it's a small town. 951 00:49:32,422 --> 00:49:33,964 - It's a cute town. - It really is. 952 00:49:34,047 --> 00:49:35,464 - It's a great little town. - I love it! 953 00:49:35,547 --> 00:49:37,756 - It's like living in the '60s. 954 00:49:38,839 --> 00:49:40,506 - You could ask any number of people, 955 00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:44,214 what would drive you to do what these people did? 956 00:49:44,297 --> 00:49:46,130 - And the first one I peeled off, I believe, 957 00:49:46,214 --> 00:49:48,964 was Pennsylvania Avenue, and the second one I peeled off 958 00:49:49,047 --> 00:49:51,005 was $1 million instant prize winner 959 00:49:51,089 --> 00:49:53,547 and it was like, "Wow, is this for real?" 960 00:49:53,631 --> 00:49:57,214 - A lot of this is stealing money, using a device to do it 961 00:49:57,297 --> 00:49:59,089 tricking somebody into it. 962 00:49:59,172 --> 00:50:01,172 And then two or more do that, that's the "conspiracy." 963 00:50:01,255 --> 00:50:03,464 Devereaux's gonna be so happy I said that. 964 00:50:03,547 --> 00:50:05,506 But it's more than that. 965 00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:08,130 - Breakfast sandwich? - Yeah, that's what it was. 966 00:50:08,214 --> 00:50:09,964 A breakfast sandwich, a breakfast sandwich. 967 00:50:10,047 --> 00:50:11,506 - A lot of 'em are good people, 968 00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:13,089 they make bad decisions, 969 00:50:13,172 --> 00:50:17,130 whether it be they have fallen into a financial problem 970 00:50:17,214 --> 00:50:20,589 and they hear a nice way to get out of it. 971 00:50:22,005 --> 00:50:23,839 - That's your motivation. "Okay. 972 00:50:23,923 --> 00:50:26,506 "I'm gonna do it because, you know, I need money to-- 973 00:50:26,589 --> 00:50:31,255 for my kid's health or school or I'm gonna retire." 974 00:50:31,339 --> 00:50:34,172 - Human nature 975 00:50:34,255 --> 00:50:37,464 makes us do different things. 976 00:50:39,547 --> 00:50:42,089 People want to justify what they did 977 00:50:42,172 --> 00:50:43,547 or why they did it 978 00:50:43,631 --> 00:50:46,130 so they can really live with themselves. 979 00:50:46,214 --> 00:50:50,422 Everyone, everyone watching this show 980 00:50:50,506 --> 00:50:53,089 cannot stand in front of a mirror, 981 00:50:53,172 --> 00:50:55,756 look at themselves in the eyes 982 00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:59,297 and say they've never done something that they wish 983 00:50:59,381 --> 00:51:03,130 they could correct and take back. 984 00:51:08,255 --> 00:51:11,464 - A couple of years later, I had this company that was 985 00:51:11,547 --> 00:51:15,047 calling me on a regular basis trying to get me 986 00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:16,089 to come on this trip. 987 00:51:16,172 --> 00:51:17,839 I was very reluctant, 988 00:51:17,923 --> 00:51:21,506 but they kept saying it was for all the winners. 989 00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:23,631 They wanna find out where we are now, 990 00:51:23,714 --> 00:51:27,464 what we're doing, you know, just a follow-up. 991 00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:32,381 A lot of this stuff I just wanted to block out 992 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:34,005 and just forget it 993 00:51:34,089 --> 00:51:38,214 and you just kind of went in and laughed and talked, 994 00:51:38,297 --> 00:51:41,547 and, you know, it just--try to make me feel comfortable, 995 00:51:41,631 --> 00:51:44,089 but I never felt comfortable about this whole thing. 996 00:51:44,172 --> 00:51:46,506 - Um, basically, what I'd like you to do... 997 00:51:46,589 --> 00:51:48,422 - Somebody asking me a question from over 998 00:51:48,506 --> 00:51:50,673 on this side, somebody asking me a question 999 00:51:50,756 --> 00:51:52,673 from over on this side-- that's when I knew 1000 00:51:52,756 --> 00:51:54,547 that something wasn't right. 1001 00:51:54,631 --> 00:51:58,798 I was about to get sick to the stomach because I knew... 1002 00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:02,839 And I was trying to cut 'em short, and they wouldn't-- 1003 00:52:02,923 --> 00:52:05,673 they wouldn't stop asking me questions. 1004 00:52:05,756 --> 00:52:07,756 - Um...so did you-- when did you 1005 00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:10,422 decide to move back to Jacksonville? 1006 00:52:10,506 --> 00:52:13,339 - I felt like an interrogation went on because when I came-- 1007 00:52:13,422 --> 00:52:16,381 when I was in there, I was like, I could feel 1008 00:52:16,464 --> 00:52:20,422 my adrenaline building a little bit because 1009 00:52:20,506 --> 00:52:23,547 I knew that it was... 1010 00:52:23,631 --> 00:52:26,714 that they wasn't asking me questions. 1011 00:52:26,798 --> 00:52:29,923 The questions they was asking me was to just 1012 00:52:30,005 --> 00:52:33,839 get it on record, how I spent the money. 1013 00:52:35,005 --> 00:52:37,381 But I felt it. 1014 00:52:39,339 --> 00:52:41,714 That feeling is something else. 1015 00:52:43,547 --> 00:52:45,047 - Okay, let's-- let's rehearse it, okay? 1016 00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:46,422 And this--you talk to the camera. 1017 00:52:46,506 --> 00:52:47,464 - Okay, okay. 1018 00:52:47,547 --> 00:52:48,923 - You can do it slow 1019 00:52:49,005 --> 00:52:50,214 because this is like a rehearsal-- 1020 00:52:52,714 --> 00:52:54,756 - It--it might have been, um, 1021 00:52:54,839 --> 00:52:58,130 but you're about to deprive someone of their freedom, 1022 00:52:58,214 --> 00:52:59,839 you know, their future, 1023 00:52:59,923 --> 00:53:02,506 everything from family... 1024 00:53:02,589 --> 00:53:06,798 it's not meant to be that kind of fun for us at all. 1025 00:53:06,881 --> 00:53:09,673 It's not fun at all 1026 00:53:09,756 --> 00:53:12,172 to deprive liberty to someone. 1027 00:53:12,255 --> 00:53:13,964 - We just walked out of there, 1028 00:53:14,047 --> 00:53:16,756 and I was kind of numb walking out the door, 1029 00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:19,381 like, "Oh, this is it. 1030 00:53:19,464 --> 00:53:22,714 Something is gonna happen from this." 1031 00:53:31,005 --> 00:53:35,381 - It wasn't much longer after the Fuzzy Bunny situation 1032 00:53:35,464 --> 00:53:37,255 I got real depressed. 1033 00:53:37,339 --> 00:53:40,255 I didn't eat. I was just so distraught. 1034 00:53:40,339 --> 00:53:41,464 Then I got mad. 1035 00:53:41,547 --> 00:53:42,923 I looked over at him 1036 00:53:43,005 --> 00:53:45,464 you know, I told him about Uncle Jerry. 1037 00:53:45,547 --> 00:53:47,881 I said, "You know he asked me to marry him?" 1038 00:53:47,964 --> 00:53:50,339 As soon as I said the words, 1039 00:53:50,422 --> 00:53:54,047 I was sorry, 'cause I could tell 1040 00:53:54,130 --> 00:53:56,714 it was a real thing. 1041 00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:58,381 'Cause at first I thought, 1042 00:53:58,464 --> 00:54:00,381 this could be a setup, you know, 1043 00:54:00,464 --> 00:54:03,005 maybe they're trying to find out my loyalty 1044 00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:04,839 and it wasn't a setup. 1045 00:54:04,923 --> 00:54:08,673 And so he went and cussed Uncle Jerry out. 1046 00:54:13,005 --> 00:54:17,339 The next day, we're driving down the road. 1047 00:54:17,422 --> 00:54:19,589 Jerry's in the passenger seat, 1048 00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:23,631 I'm driving, Frankie's crying in the car seat. 1049 00:54:23,714 --> 00:54:27,839 It's bothering Jerry more than it is me. 1050 00:54:29,047 --> 00:54:31,673 And we got in an argument. 1051 00:54:38,005 --> 00:54:41,339 And so he says, "Rob, I gotta put him down, 1052 00:54:41,422 --> 00:54:43,964 lay him down. It's enough." 1053 00:54:44,047 --> 00:54:46,589 And so he took him out of his car seat, 1054 00:54:46,673 --> 00:54:50,422 and I'm like, "God, Jerry, come on." 1055 00:54:50,506 --> 00:54:55,339 And a little teardrop came down my face and I thought, 1056 00:54:55,422 --> 00:54:57,964 you know, "I'm never gonna get out of this." 1057 00:54:58,047 --> 00:55:01,047 [baby crying] 1058 00:55:11,422 --> 00:55:12,839 [horn blares] 1059 00:55:12,923 --> 00:55:14,089 [crashing, glass shatters] 1060 00:56:09,255 --> 00:56:11,381 [bright tone] 1061 00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:15,631 ROBIN COLOMBO: He is not some sweet little old man. 1062 00:56:15,714 --> 00:56:17,339 He's a freakin' gangster. 1063 00:56:17,422 --> 00:56:19,047 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1064 00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:21,923 FRANK COLOMBO: I was not sure if the accident was an accident. 1065 00:56:22,005 --> 00:56:25,214 It could've been a possible hit. Things were getting really ugly. 1066 00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,589 CHRIS GRAHAM: Operation Final Answer was moving fast. 1067 00:56:28,881 --> 00:56:30,089 Everything was on the table. 1068 00:56:31,005 --> 00:56:33,005 We thought, "Well, how much bigger can this get?" 1069 00:56:33,089 --> 00:56:34,047 And it would get bigger. 1070 00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:35,881 "How much further back could it go?" 1071 00:56:35,964 --> 00:56:37,381 And it would go back further. 1072 00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:38,714 One of my biggest regrets 1073 00:56:38,798 --> 00:56:39,631 is being involved in this McDonald's thing. 1074 00:56:40,089 --> 00:56:41,506 FRANK: If you can get away with something 1075 00:56:41,714 --> 00:56:45,130 over and over, and over... You only gotta be caught once. 1076 00:56:45,506 --> 00:56:46,756 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 81561

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