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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,439 --> 00:00:05,699 - Five people have been arrested and charged 2 00:00:05,744 --> 00:00:07,314 with breaking into the headquarters 3 00:00:07,355 --> 00:00:08,395 of the Democratic National Committee 4 00:00:08,443 --> 00:00:10,623 in the middle of the night. 5 00:00:10,662 --> 00:00:12,932 - Police confiscated extensive photographic and electronic 6 00:00:12,969 --> 00:00:14,099 eavesdropping gear. 7 00:00:18,714 --> 00:00:21,634 - I want it implemented on a thievery basis. 8 00:00:21,673 --> 00:00:23,983 Goddammit, get in and get those files. 9 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:27,774 We are going to use any means. 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,860 male narrator: Within a week after the Watergate arrests, 11 00:00:33,903 --> 00:00:36,473 Woodward and Bernstein already realized that Watergate 12 00:00:36,514 --> 00:00:39,524 was no ordinary burglary, and they started digging. 13 00:00:39,561 --> 00:00:41,301 - We couldn't find out who worked 14 00:00:41,345 --> 00:00:43,385 for the re-election committee. 15 00:00:43,434 --> 00:00:46,054 It was like, uh, top secret. 16 00:00:46,089 --> 00:00:48,089 Really you knew John Mitchell 17 00:00:48,135 --> 00:00:50,395 was the chairman, you knew a couple other names, 18 00:00:50,441 --> 00:00:52,491 but beyond that you couldn't find out. 19 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:56,710 - Carl got the, uh, list of people who worked there, 20 00:00:56,752 --> 00:01:00,412 and we couldn't call them at their offices. 21 00:01:00,451 --> 00:01:03,761 - We started visitingth, 22 00:01:03,802 --> 00:01:05,372 in their homes. 23 00:01:05,413 --> 00:01:07,073 - Bob and I were good friends. 24 00:01:07,110 --> 00:01:09,370 I know how hard he worked on it. 25 00:01:09,417 --> 00:01:12,247 He worked on it all the time. 26 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:15,509 He--He worked on it at night. He knocked on doors at night. 27 00:01:15,553 --> 00:01:19,303 It was 24/7 for both Carl and Bob, 28 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:21,820 and he kept telling me over and over, 29 00:01:21,864 --> 00:01:25,434 "Do not let them take this story away from you. 30 00:01:25,476 --> 00:01:27,476 Hold onto this story." 31 00:01:27,522 --> 00:01:29,962 Nine days after the Watergate arrests, 32 00:01:30,002 --> 00:01:32,882 White House Chief of Staff Bob Haldeman was nervous 33 00:01:32,918 --> 00:01:34,658 about whether the cover-up would hold, 34 00:01:34,703 --> 00:01:36,363 particularly for John Mitchell. 35 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,750 But Nixon was truly loyal to Mitchell, 36 00:01:38,794 --> 00:01:40,714 and refused to make him the fall guy. 37 00:01:47,629 --> 00:01:49,409 - So Mitchell pulls out. 38 00:01:49,457 --> 00:01:52,197 So he's still the former Attorney General 39 00:01:52,242 --> 00:01:53,942 and the former campaign manager. 40 00:01:53,983 --> 00:01:54,983 They're not gonna let up on him just because 41 00:01:55,027 --> 00:01:56,987 he isn't the manager now. 42 00:01:57,029 --> 00:01:59,509 The only way you can do that is to hang him on it and say, 43 00:01:59,554 --> 00:02:01,084 "Well, yeah, he did it. 44 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:02,731 That's why we have to get rid of him." 45 00:02:02,774 --> 00:02:05,694 - I can't do that to him. I'd rather shit. 46 00:02:05,734 --> 00:02:07,004 Lose the election. 47 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:09,129 - You can't do that. 48 00:02:09,172 --> 00:02:12,132 He won't let you do that. He'll pull the plug on himself. 49 00:02:12,175 --> 00:02:13,175 - No, no. 50 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,220 He was supposed to do everything he could 51 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:19,226 to find out what was going on. 52 00:02:19,269 --> 00:02:22,929 - Apparently with our limited resources, 53 00:02:22,968 --> 00:02:25,668 they use the same people for a wide range of things. 54 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:28,450 So you got cross ties. 55 00:02:28,496 --> 00:02:30,446 If these guys were only on this thing, 56 00:02:30,498 --> 00:02:33,938 you could cut them loose and sink them without a trace. 57 00:02:33,979 --> 00:02:37,849 Tying these people to those and this, 58 00:02:37,896 --> 00:02:43,206 that is a problem because it shows they were political. 59 00:02:43,250 --> 00:02:44,430 - Yeah. 60 00:02:46,383 --> 00:02:47,303 You're right. 61 00:02:49,038 --> 00:02:50,818 - John Mitchell resigned today as the head 62 00:02:50,866 --> 00:02:53,256 of President Nixon's re-election campaign committee. 63 00:02:53,303 --> 00:02:55,743 - Some Democrats maintain that the burglary 64 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:57,964 of their headquarters carried out by, among others, 65 00:02:58,003 --> 00:03:00,483 a member of Mitchell's staff may have been a factor. 66 00:03:00,528 --> 00:03:02,048 Most White House and CREEP officials 67 00:03:02,094 --> 00:03:04,054 went along with the cover-up, 68 00:03:04,096 --> 00:03:06,266 and just to make sure, whenever they were questioned 69 00:03:06,316 --> 00:03:09,706 by the FBI, a White House lawyer would be watching. 70 00:03:09,754 --> 00:03:12,284 - I was assigned to interview Jeb Magruder. 71 00:03:12,322 --> 00:03:13,852 This was at the White House, 72 00:03:13,889 --> 00:03:16,809 the White House attorney in back of me, 73 00:03:16,848 --> 00:03:19,238 and started interviewing him. 74 00:03:19,286 --> 00:03:21,676 "No, I don't have any information. 75 00:03:21,723 --> 00:03:23,643 I don't know anything about this." 76 00:03:23,681 --> 00:03:26,121 And then he starts dribbling out some stuff. 77 00:03:26,162 --> 00:03:28,562 I'm taking notes, and all of the sudden, 78 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:30,209 I felt something in back of me. 79 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:31,783 Here was the White House lawyer. 80 00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:34,430 He's going like this, looking at my notes. 81 00:03:34,475 --> 00:03:38,305 I said, "Well, Mr. Magruder, if you don't tell me now 82 00:03:38,348 --> 00:03:41,868 "what your involvement was or is in this case, 83 00:03:41,917 --> 00:03:44,217 you're gonna have to tell the Grand Jury." 84 00:03:44,267 --> 00:03:46,877 I said, "Save yourself the trip." 85 00:03:46,922 --> 00:03:48,272 But he wouldn't do it. 86 00:03:48,315 --> 00:03:49,705 - You could tell that he was lying? 87 00:03:49,751 --> 00:03:52,621 - Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 88 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:56,367 - Mr. Magruder took me to lunch and, uh, said, 89 00:03:56,410 --> 00:03:59,110 "You know, the amount of money we authorized for Gordon Liddy 90 00:03:59,151 --> 00:04:01,021 "is a problem. 91 00:04:01,066 --> 00:04:03,326 "We can't tell people that it was that much. 92 00:04:03,373 --> 00:04:05,813 So you and I need to tell them a different number." 93 00:04:05,854 --> 00:04:07,774 And, uh, I was a little shocked by this, 94 00:04:07,812 --> 00:04:09,292 so I said, "Well, Jeb, I have no intention 95 00:04:09,336 --> 00:04:10,596 of perjuring myself." 96 00:04:10,641 --> 00:04:12,301 And he said, "You may have to." 97 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:14,469 But Hugh Sloan was an honest man, 98 00:04:14,515 --> 00:04:16,075 and when CREEP pressured him to lie, 99 00:04:16,125 --> 00:04:18,075 he resigned instead. 100 00:04:18,127 --> 00:04:21,297 And soon afterwards, Woodward and Bernstein found him. 101 00:04:21,348 --> 00:04:23,388 - A lot of doors were slammed in our faces, 102 00:04:23,437 --> 00:04:27,437 but very quickly I found myself on the doorstep 103 00:04:27,484 --> 00:04:30,274 of the person called The Bookkeeper. 104 00:04:30,313 --> 00:04:34,063 It turned out that The Bookkeeper was the assistant 105 00:04:34,099 --> 00:04:38,099 to the treasurer of the Committee for the Re-Election 106 00:04:38,147 --> 00:04:40,407 of the President-- a man named Hugh Sloan. 107 00:04:40,454 --> 00:04:42,504 - They were young guys just starting out, 108 00:04:42,543 --> 00:04:44,113 and they made the appeal, 109 00:04:44,153 --> 00:04:45,943 "Okay, you can't talk to us publicly, 110 00:04:45,981 --> 00:04:48,551 "but let's talk about-- can't you help us understand 111 00:04:48,592 --> 00:04:51,032 how a campaign works? Can't we talk on background?" 112 00:04:51,073 --> 00:04:55,123 Um, uh, that type of approach. And they were quite good at it. 113 00:04:55,164 --> 00:04:59,604 - He started, uh, explaining that there were these large 114 00:04:59,647 --> 00:05:03,427 disbursements to people like Gordon Liddy 115 00:05:03,477 --> 00:05:07,087 and that there was this secret cash fund and there were 116 00:05:07,132 --> 00:05:09,872 five people who had control of it. 117 00:05:09,918 --> 00:05:13,618 It turned out that John Mitchell was one of the people 118 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:17,711 who could authorize disbursements of that fund. 119 00:05:17,752 --> 00:05:22,102 - The Watergate bugging had been funded with knowledge 120 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:25,147 of the campaign manager while he was 121 00:05:25,194 --> 00:05:27,374 the chief law enforcement officer of the country. 122 00:05:27,414 --> 00:05:29,334 I had a number for Mitchell. 123 00:05:29,372 --> 00:05:31,332 And I got him on the phone and I said, 124 00:05:31,374 --> 00:05:33,864 "Mr. Mitchell, there's a story in tomorrow's paper 125 00:05:33,898 --> 00:05:36,638 "I wanna read to you what Bob Woodward and myself 126 00:05:36,684 --> 00:05:38,994 have written and get your response." 127 00:05:39,034 --> 00:05:40,734 And I got as far as, "John N. Mitchell, 128 00:05:40,775 --> 00:05:42,645 "while Attorney General of the United States, 129 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:45,000 had controlled a secret fund." 130 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,390 And Mr. Mitchell said, "Jeessuuss." Just like that. 131 00:05:49,436 --> 00:05:51,046 Got to the end of the first paragraph, 132 00:05:51,089 --> 00:05:53,139 and Mitchell said, "Jesus Christ, 133 00:05:53,178 --> 00:05:54,958 "all that crap, you're putting it in the paper? 134 00:05:55,006 --> 00:05:56,696 "It's already been denied. 135 00:05:56,747 --> 00:05:59,227 "If you print that, Katie Graham's gonna 136 00:05:59,271 --> 00:06:02,451 get her tit caught in a big fat wringer." 137 00:06:02,492 --> 00:06:04,712 And there was a pause, and then he said, 138 00:06:04,755 --> 00:06:06,535 "And when this campaign is over, 139 00:06:06,583 --> 00:06:08,983 we're gonna do a little story on you two boys." 140 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:11,070 And he hung the phone up. 141 00:06:11,109 --> 00:06:13,019 Now, I can tell you that to this day, 142 00:06:13,068 --> 00:06:16,158 it's the most chilling moment I think I've ever had 143 00:06:16,201 --> 00:06:18,731 as a reporter because he meant it. 144 00:06:18,769 --> 00:06:20,549 But Bernstein didn't back off, 145 00:06:20,597 --> 00:06:22,947 and crucially, neither did Ben Bradlee, 146 00:06:22,991 --> 00:06:24,951 "The Washington Post's" editor, 147 00:06:24,993 --> 00:06:27,653 or Katharine Graham, the "Post's" owner and publisher. 148 00:06:27,691 --> 00:06:29,431 - So I called Ben Bradlee up 149 00:06:29,476 --> 00:06:31,566 after this conversation with Mitchell, 150 00:06:31,608 --> 00:06:33,518 and I told him what Mitchell had said. 151 00:06:33,567 --> 00:06:35,177 And Bradlee said, "He really said that? 152 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:37,050 Do you have good notes?" And I said, "Yeah." 153 00:06:37,092 --> 00:06:38,532 I read him back my notes. 154 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:41,142 And he said, "Put it all in the paper, 155 00:06:41,183 --> 00:06:43,793 but leave her tit out." 156 00:06:43,838 --> 00:06:46,748 And that's exactly what Bernstein did. 157 00:06:46,797 --> 00:06:49,757 - The next morning Mrs. Graham came down at my desk and said, 158 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,760 "Carl, do you have any more messages for me?" 159 00:06:52,803 --> 00:06:55,283 Woodward, Bernstein, and the "Post" kept pushing, 160 00:06:55,327 --> 00:06:57,237 seemingly without interference, 161 00:06:57,286 --> 00:06:59,636 but unknown to them, Nixon and the White House 162 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,330 were already plotting to cripple them. 163 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,780 - What are you gonna do about "The Washington Post"? 164 00:07:08,819 --> 00:07:13,479 - Well, we can't do a thing before the election. 165 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,570 The White House has gotta do something. 166 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:19,130 What do you think? - Well, you buy the stock. 167 00:07:19,177 --> 00:07:24,047 - Well, she's got two classes of stock. 168 00:07:24,095 --> 00:07:28,485 70% of the voting powers are in stock she alone holds. 169 00:07:28,535 --> 00:07:31,755 - Can't you screw her on a television license? 170 00:07:31,799 --> 00:07:33,189 - Oh, yes. - How? 171 00:07:34,889 --> 00:07:37,109 - Just not renew it. 172 00:07:37,152 --> 00:07:40,072 It has to come up for renewal every three years. 173 00:07:40,111 --> 00:07:43,291 - How do we-- How do we do that? 174 00:07:43,332 --> 00:07:46,512 - You put a group together as a way to get at her. 175 00:07:48,859 --> 00:07:51,509 Nixon's new Attorney General Richard Kleindienst 176 00:07:51,558 --> 00:07:54,208 made sure that the FBI and the prosecutors limited 177 00:07:54,256 --> 00:07:56,946 their investigation to the burglars, Hunt, and Liddy. 178 00:07:56,998 --> 00:07:59,298 Kleindienst and his deputy, Henry Petersen, 179 00:07:59,348 --> 00:08:00,868 also told the White House 180 00:08:00,915 --> 00:08:02,655 everything the investigators did. 181 00:08:02,699 --> 00:08:04,089 - It's Henry Petersen, 182 00:08:04,135 --> 00:08:05,615 the head of the criminal division, 183 00:08:05,659 --> 00:08:07,529 who's right on top of the investigation 184 00:08:07,574 --> 00:08:09,534 and filling me in with everything that's happening 185 00:08:09,576 --> 00:08:12,706 in the investigation--not only FBI but the Grand Jury. 186 00:08:12,753 --> 00:08:15,973 - Seven people were indicted today, the five who were 187 00:08:16,017 --> 00:08:18,977 caught by the police along with two others, 188 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:21,850 G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt, 189 00:08:21,892 --> 00:08:24,552 a former consultant for the White House. 190 00:08:24,591 --> 00:08:27,811 - It was likewise the most thorough comprehensive 191 00:08:27,855 --> 00:08:30,635 Grand Jury presentation that has ever been made. 192 00:08:30,684 --> 00:08:33,214 There was no stone that was left unturned. 193 00:08:33,251 --> 00:08:35,731 There was no lead or possible witness 194 00:08:35,776 --> 00:08:37,426 that wasn't followed up. 195 00:08:37,473 --> 00:08:39,483 - Sources here at the Justice Department say 196 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:43,349 the investigation by both the FBI and the Grand Jury is over. 197 00:08:43,392 --> 00:08:45,002 There is no evidence, they insist, 198 00:08:45,046 --> 00:08:47,176 that anyone else was involved. 199 00:08:47,222 --> 00:08:49,492 - Later that day, Nixon summoned John Dean 200 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:51,309 to the Oval Office. 201 00:08:51,356 --> 00:08:54,396 The 1972 election was still 54 days away, 202 00:08:54,446 --> 00:08:56,616 but Nixon was pleased with the cover-up. 203 00:08:56,666 --> 00:08:59,226 In fact, he was already planning more attacks 204 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:01,497 on enemies including "The Washington Post" 205 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:04,201 and its attorney, Edward Bennett Williams. 206 00:09:04,239 --> 00:09:06,549 - Three months ago I would have had difficulty 207 00:09:06,589 --> 00:09:08,549 predicting where we'd be today. 208 00:09:08,591 --> 00:09:12,941 I think I can say that 54 days from now that not a thing 209 00:09:12,987 --> 00:09:14,597 will come crashing down. 210 00:09:14,641 --> 00:09:19,341 - Well, the whole thing is a can of worms. 211 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:22,474 A lot of this stuff went on, but the way you've handled it. 212 00:09:22,518 --> 00:09:25,828 Seems to me has been very skillful. 213 00:09:25,869 --> 00:09:27,439 Putting your fingers in the dikes 214 00:09:27,479 --> 00:09:30,349 every time that leaks have sprung. 215 00:09:30,395 --> 00:09:32,215 Don't worry. 216 00:09:32,267 --> 00:09:34,657 I wouldn't wanna be on the other side right now. 217 00:09:36,793 --> 00:09:39,233 I wouldn't wanna be in Edward Bennett Williams' position 218 00:09:39,274 --> 00:09:40,754 after this election. 219 00:09:40,797 --> 00:09:42,317 - No, no. 220 00:09:42,364 --> 00:09:44,374 - Because afterwards, that's the guy. 221 00:09:44,409 --> 00:09:47,329 - We're going after him. - That's the guy we gotta ruin. 222 00:09:47,369 --> 00:09:50,419 - He's an attorney for "The Washington Post." 223 00:09:50,459 --> 00:09:52,899 I think we're gonna fix this son of a bitch. 224 00:09:55,116 --> 00:09:58,026 We've got to. - Absolutely. 225 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:02,990 Well, along that line, 226 00:10:03,037 --> 00:10:05,517 one of the things I've tried to do is keep notes 227 00:10:05,561 --> 00:10:09,431 on people who are less than our friends. 228 00:10:09,478 --> 00:10:11,958 - I want the most comprehensive notes on all of those 229 00:10:12,002 --> 00:10:13,402 that have tried to do us in. 230 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:17,396 We haven't used the power in the first four years. 231 00:10:17,442 --> 00:10:18,922 We haven't used the Bureau. 232 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:20,316 We haven't used the Justice Department. 233 00:10:22,273 --> 00:10:24,323 But things are gonna change now. 234 00:10:26,713 --> 00:10:28,113 - That's an exciting prospect. 235 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:31,279 - Nixon administration officials 236 00:10:31,326 --> 00:10:33,676 would take reporters aside and say, 237 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,200 "I hope you're not buying this Watergate bullshit. 238 00:10:36,244 --> 00:10:39,604 You know, the 'Post' is way out on a limb here." 239 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,899 - I don't respect the type of journalism, 240 00:10:42,946 --> 00:10:45,206 the shabby journalism that is being practiced 241 00:10:45,253 --> 00:10:47,523 by "The Washington Post." 242 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,079 - At CBS News, in the beginning, 243 00:10:50,127 --> 00:10:54,347 alone among the television networks, took the attitude, 244 00:10:54,392 --> 00:10:57,612 we should take it to air with full credit and say, 245 00:10:57,657 --> 00:10:59,787 "In today's news, worth noting 246 00:10:59,833 --> 00:11:03,013 'The Washington Post' is reporting thus and such." 247 00:11:03,053 --> 00:11:06,103 There were back-channel calls to William S. Paley 248 00:11:06,143 --> 00:11:07,843 who basically owned the company, 249 00:11:07,884 --> 00:11:11,714 was a Republican, had been a big Nixon supporter, 250 00:11:11,758 --> 00:11:14,798 pressure on him to shut these news guys up. 251 00:11:14,848 --> 00:11:18,028 And to his everlasting credit, for the most part, 252 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:19,938 he stonewalled them. 253 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:22,073 - The White House--I believe it was Charles Colson-- 254 00:11:22,116 --> 00:11:25,416 called Paley and squeezed Mr. Paley, who turned around 255 00:11:25,467 --> 00:11:28,037 and squeezed the news division. 256 00:11:28,078 --> 00:11:31,078 Now, it was pretty bold and, uh, courageous of 257 00:11:31,125 --> 00:11:35,215 the then-President of CBS News to stand up to Mr. Paley. 258 00:11:35,259 --> 00:11:37,219 - The pressure was on. 259 00:11:37,261 --> 00:11:40,181 High White House officials came to, one case, 260 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:42,271 the Bureau Chief, and another case, 261 00:11:42,310 --> 00:11:44,140 to the head of the news division, 262 00:11:44,181 --> 00:11:47,101 suggesting that I be relieved as White House 263 00:11:47,141 --> 00:11:48,531 Chief Correspondent. 264 00:11:48,577 --> 00:11:50,407 In fact John Ehrlichman once said 265 00:11:50,448 --> 00:11:52,228 to the President of the News Division, 266 00:11:52,276 --> 00:11:54,756 "Maybe you could send this guy Rather back to Texas." 267 00:11:54,801 --> 00:11:59,411 - They targeted Dan. Dan became the bĂȘte noire. 268 00:11:59,457 --> 00:12:02,197 One of the--there's-- Nixon had an enemies list, 269 00:12:02,243 --> 00:12:03,813 and then there was Dan Rather. 270 00:12:03,853 --> 00:12:05,773 He was Enemy Number One. 271 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:09,772 I think one of the reasons that I admire Dan so much 272 00:12:09,816 --> 00:12:12,776 is that I did know he was coming under pressure, 273 00:12:12,819 --> 00:12:14,469 and he stood up to it. 274 00:12:14,516 --> 00:12:16,256 He didn't withdraw. 275 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:19,300 He didn't change what he wanted to say 276 00:12:19,347 --> 00:12:22,177 night after night on the White House lawn. 277 00:12:22,219 --> 00:12:26,219 - I can remember coming home to my wife and I told her, 278 00:12:26,267 --> 00:12:28,917 "You know, it's one of those times in life professionally 279 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:31,045 "both CBS News and we-- 280 00:12:31,098 --> 00:12:33,708 "our little selves here, our family-- 281 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:36,153 we've got everything on the line." 282 00:12:43,414 --> 00:12:46,464 If any or all of what is alleged to have been going on 283 00:12:46,504 --> 00:12:49,334 is true, how high up in the White House does it go? 284 00:12:49,377 --> 00:12:51,467 And is the President himself involved? 285 00:12:55,339 --> 00:12:57,079 On September 28, 1972, 286 00:12:57,124 --> 00:12:58,914 Carl Bernstein got a phone call that led him 287 00:12:58,952 --> 00:13:01,172 to a lawyer and low-level government official 288 00:13:01,215 --> 00:13:02,685 named Donald Segretti. 289 00:13:02,738 --> 00:13:04,518 - I was in the office. 290 00:13:04,566 --> 00:13:08,826 I get this call from somebody who says he has a friend 291 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:12,225 who had been approached in a rather strange way 292 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:16,009 to go to work for the Nixon Re-election Committee 293 00:13:16,056 --> 00:13:18,486 to try and maybe do some dirty tricks. 294 00:13:18,536 --> 00:13:22,496 And I was given the guy's name, which was Alex Shipley. 295 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:27,890 And he told me this story of how he and others 296 00:13:27,937 --> 00:13:32,247 had been approached by a guy named Donald Segretti, 297 00:13:32,289 --> 00:13:35,509 who said he was working on behalf of the Nixon campaign 298 00:13:35,553 --> 00:13:38,913 to try to sabotage campaign events. 299 00:13:38,948 --> 00:13:41,038 We have this name Segretti. 300 00:13:41,081 --> 00:13:44,821 We got his credit card records and his telephone records and-- 301 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:46,557 - How'd you do that? 302 00:13:48,871 --> 00:13:51,961 Uh, I--I had a source at the telephone company 303 00:13:52,005 --> 00:13:54,525 and, uh--and, uh-- I can't remember how. 304 00:13:54,572 --> 00:13:56,492 Maybe Bob got the American Express records. 305 00:13:56,531 --> 00:13:58,661 Maybe I did. I can't remember. 306 00:13:58,707 --> 00:14:00,927 - That couldn't happen these days. 307 00:14:00,970 --> 00:14:02,890 - It'd be pretty tough. 308 00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:05,149 I don't know, maybe yes, maybe no. 309 00:14:05,192 --> 00:14:08,412 - Segretti flew cross-country to more than 17 states 310 00:14:08,456 --> 00:14:11,886 setting up a nationwide network of spies and saboteurs. 311 00:14:11,938 --> 00:14:13,938 He recruited more than 50 operatives 312 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:15,863 who helped him pull his pranks, 313 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:19,028 some benign, others clear violations of law. 314 00:14:19,075 --> 00:14:22,205 - Reports by "The Washington Post" and "Time Magazine" 315 00:14:22,252 --> 00:14:24,342 name the President's appointment secretary 316 00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:27,775 Dwight Chapin as a contact man for the operation. 317 00:14:27,823 --> 00:14:30,873 The other named by the "Post" is Herbert Kalmbach, 318 00:14:30,913 --> 00:14:32,573 the President's personal lawyer. 319 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:35,610 - What's the situation on Segretti? 320 00:14:35,657 --> 00:14:39,437 - Segretti, just so you know, is incommunicado. 321 00:14:39,487 --> 00:14:42,527 But he calls John Dean from a public phone 322 00:14:42,577 --> 00:14:44,447 and calls on to a line that's not traceable 323 00:14:44,492 --> 00:14:46,022 every day around noon. 324 00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:48,579 Well, this is why we got the man we got. 325 00:14:48,626 --> 00:14:50,846 We get him paid outside, get him completely away 326 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:52,500 from the place. 327 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:54,723 - I just think we gotta brazen it through. 328 00:14:54,763 --> 00:14:57,983 Meanwhile, Kalmbach, what's he have to say? 329 00:14:58,027 --> 00:14:59,767 - Kalmbach doesn't have to say a goddamn thing. 330 00:14:59,811 --> 00:15:01,551 - I know that. 331 00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:03,076 It's a question whether... 332 00:15:05,556 --> 00:15:08,646 If the lawyer for the President is involved in putting up 333 00:15:08,690 --> 00:15:10,560 the money, that's a bad story. 334 00:15:10,605 --> 00:15:11,555 - Right. 335 00:15:13,347 --> 00:15:15,737 - Has anybody talked to Segretti--Don Segretti-- 336 00:15:15,784 --> 00:15:18,184 to find out whether such an espionage squad existed? 337 00:15:18,221 --> 00:15:20,051 - Well, uh, I really don't know. 338 00:15:20,093 --> 00:15:21,273 - In the Justice Department? - As far as I-- 339 00:15:21,311 --> 00:15:22,881 - Don't you think-- Should they? 340 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:25,012 - Well, I don't know if they should or not. 341 00:15:25,054 --> 00:15:27,014 When Woodward and Bernstein dug into Segretti's 342 00:15:27,056 --> 00:15:29,746 dirty tricks operation, they quickly realized 343 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:33,148 that it was just one part of something much larger. 344 00:15:33,193 --> 00:15:35,723 - Finally Watergate made sense, 345 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,940 that this break-in was not an isolated incident, 346 00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:45,343 but it was part of a vast campaign of political espionage 347 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:48,429 and sabotage to undermine the Democrats 348 00:15:48,469 --> 00:15:50,989 and the election itself. 349 00:15:51,037 --> 00:15:55,517 - This was an effort to say, "We're gonna pick who Nixon 350 00:15:55,563 --> 00:15:58,653 runs against to make sure he wins." 351 00:15:58,696 --> 00:16:00,606 - It worked. 352 00:16:00,655 --> 00:16:02,955 I think people who worked in the campaign will tell you 353 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:04,345 that it worked. 354 00:16:09,838 --> 00:16:12,058 Nixon's efforts to sabotage the election 355 00:16:12,101 --> 00:16:14,021 had started a year earlier. 356 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:17,980 First Colson, Dean, Haldeman, and others created lists 357 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:20,540 of opponents and discussed how to attack them. 358 00:16:20,588 --> 00:16:24,028 For example in this 1971 memo by John Dean. 359 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:26,640 Then Nixon, thinking ahead to the election, 360 00:16:26,681 --> 00:16:29,601 started to focus on potential Democratic opponents, 361 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,730 especially the Democratic frontrunner, 362 00:16:31,773 --> 00:16:33,823 Maine senator Edmund Muskie. 363 00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:37,952 - John, we have the power, but are we using it 364 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:41,827 to investigate, you know, contributors to, uh, 365 00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:45,350 Humphrey, Muskie, the Jews who are stealing? 366 00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:47,045 - I don't know. 367 00:16:47,093 --> 00:16:49,273 - We have a new man over there. 368 00:16:49,312 --> 00:16:50,972 - You mean at IRS? - Yeah. 369 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,970 In tax returns. 370 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,232 Are we looking into Muskie's return? 371 00:16:54,274 --> 00:16:55,494 - No, we haven't. 372 00:16:55,536 --> 00:16:56,836 - Teddy Kennedy? The Kennedys? 373 00:16:56,885 --> 00:16:58,445 Shouldn't they be investigated? 374 00:16:58,495 --> 00:17:00,885 - IRS-wise, I don't know. 375 00:17:00,932 --> 00:17:04,022 Teddy, we are covering personally. 376 00:17:07,113 --> 00:17:09,203 - And what about Muskie? 377 00:17:09,245 --> 00:17:11,675 This wasn't just another one of Nixon's rants. 378 00:17:11,726 --> 00:17:13,986 Again and again over the following months, 379 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,643 Nixon pressured his staff to attack the Democrats. 380 00:17:18,298 --> 00:17:20,778 - Now, here's the point. 381 00:17:20,822 --> 00:17:21,912 Bob... 382 00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:27,440 Please get me the names of the Jews. 383 00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:32,491 Big Jewish contributors to the Democrats. 384 00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:37,059 Could we please investigate some of the cocksuckers? 385 00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:40,755 The IRS is going after Billy Graham. 386 00:17:40,798 --> 00:17:42,968 I just don't know whether we're being as rough. 387 00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:47,105 - I've often been asked what it feels like 388 00:17:47,153 --> 00:17:50,503 to be the frontrunner. 389 00:17:50,547 --> 00:17:54,067 Well, the one sensation that I feel most of all 390 00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:57,636 almost every day is a twitching between my shoulder blades. 391 00:18:00,122 --> 00:18:01,992 Because I know I'm the target. 392 00:18:02,037 --> 00:18:04,427 Muskie had no idea how right he was. 393 00:18:08,739 --> 00:18:10,609 By early 1972, the White House, 394 00:18:10,654 --> 00:18:12,704 CREEP, and Donald Segretti were mounting numerous 395 00:18:12,743 --> 00:18:16,103 and increasingly serious covert operations against him. 396 00:18:16,138 --> 00:18:19,528 - They had Muskie's chauffeur on the payroll. 397 00:18:19,576 --> 00:18:22,926 One of his jobs was to take documents from Muskie's 398 00:18:22,971 --> 00:18:28,241 Senate office to Muskie's campaign headquarters. 399 00:18:28,281 --> 00:18:31,941 The chauffeur was paid by the Nixon campaign 400 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:34,680 to make copies of those documents, 401 00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:37,862 and so the Nixon campaign had total transparency 402 00:18:37,899 --> 00:18:40,769 of what Muskie was doing. 403 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:46,125 Strategy memos, the schedule, copies of everything. 404 00:18:46,168 --> 00:18:49,298 Newspapers started publishing stories 405 00:18:49,345 --> 00:18:51,385 that attacked his wife. 406 00:18:51,434 --> 00:18:53,224 I think they rattled Muskie. 407 00:18:53,262 --> 00:18:56,572 Uh, one of the operations was this Canuck letter. 408 00:18:56,613 --> 00:18:58,533 Since his earliest campaigns, 409 00:18:58,572 --> 00:19:00,842 Nixon had used smear tactics. 410 00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:04,878 But in 1972, he also used what we now call fake news, 411 00:19:04,926 --> 00:19:07,446 and he used it very effectively. 412 00:19:07,494 --> 00:19:10,414 - Democratic Senator Edmund Muskie today denounced 413 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:12,463 William Loeb, the conservative publisher 414 00:19:12,499 --> 00:19:14,719 of the Manchester "New Hampshire Union Leader," 415 00:19:14,762 --> 00:19:17,332 as a liar and a gutless coward. 416 00:19:17,373 --> 00:19:20,333 What infuriated Muskie was Loeb's publication yesterday 417 00:19:20,376 --> 00:19:23,376 of a letter from a man in Florida who claimed he had 418 00:19:23,423 --> 00:19:26,343 overheard Muskie laugh at the use of the word "Canuck," 419 00:19:26,382 --> 00:19:28,912 a reference to Americans of French descent. 420 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:30,780 Both the attacks on Muskie's wife 421 00:19:30,821 --> 00:19:32,351 and the Canuck letter were fake, 422 00:19:32,388 --> 00:19:34,218 but their effects were very real. 423 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:37,390 - First to say to Mr. Loeb, 424 00:19:37,437 --> 00:19:39,997 who's the publisher of this paper, 425 00:19:40,048 --> 00:19:42,528 that he has lied about me. 426 00:19:42,572 --> 00:19:47,582 By attacking me, by attacking my wife, 427 00:19:47,621 --> 00:19:50,891 he has proved himself to be a gutless coward. 428 00:19:50,928 --> 00:19:52,708 - Talking more about the incident, 429 00:19:52,756 --> 00:19:54,576 he suddenly became emotional and found it 430 00:19:54,628 --> 00:19:56,668 difficult to continue. 431 00:19:56,717 --> 00:19:58,627 - Maybe I said all I should on it. 432 00:20:01,896 --> 00:20:04,416 It's fortunate for him he's not on this platform beside me. 433 00:20:08,555 --> 00:20:10,205 A good woman... 434 00:20:15,301 --> 00:20:17,741 - He got very emotional and he cried. 435 00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:20,921 And a lot of people thought that that was pivotal 436 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:24,088 in the downfall of Muskie. 437 00:20:24,135 --> 00:20:27,655 - Muskie had a psychological collapse. 438 00:20:27,704 --> 00:20:30,144 - On television we watched Edmund Muskie 439 00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:31,795 choking back tears. 440 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:34,619 Emotional display carries a connotation 441 00:20:34,668 --> 00:20:36,318 of incomplete self-control. 442 00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:38,145 Not a good impression 443 00:20:38,193 --> 00:20:40,943 for a potential chief executive to create. 444 00:20:40,978 --> 00:20:43,848 Muskie was forced to drop out of the race in April. 445 00:20:43,894 --> 00:20:46,594 And in July the Democrats nominated liberal senator 446 00:20:46,636 --> 00:20:49,466 George McGovern as their candidate to oppose Nixon. 447 00:20:49,509 --> 00:20:53,159 - The senator from South Dakota and the next President 448 00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:57,518 of the United States, George McGovern. 449 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,300 - One of Nixon's key aides, Pat Buchanan, 450 00:21:00,346 --> 00:21:03,516 thought it was just great they got George McGovern 451 00:21:03,566 --> 00:21:07,606 to run against, who was much more, uh, left wing. 452 00:21:07,657 --> 00:21:11,967 - I was doing then at Nixon's request the in-depth analysis 453 00:21:12,009 --> 00:21:14,969 of his potential adversaries in '72, 454 00:21:15,012 --> 00:21:17,192 foremost among which was Muskie, 455 00:21:17,232 --> 00:21:19,842 and I'd already done the analysis of Muskie. 456 00:21:19,887 --> 00:21:22,847 And I didn't do McGovern because I said in a memo, 457 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,410 uh, "We have not been-- lived so good a life 458 00:21:25,458 --> 00:21:28,158 "that divine providence is gonna reward us 459 00:21:28,199 --> 00:21:30,509 with George McGovern as an opponent." 460 00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:31,900 But divine providence 461 00:21:31,942 --> 00:21:33,422 had nothing to do with it, 462 00:21:33,466 --> 00:21:35,336 and the White House didn't stop, 463 00:21:35,381 --> 00:21:37,341 even after they had knocked Muskie out of the race. 464 00:21:37,383 --> 00:21:39,523 - George McGovern replaced Muskie as the likely 465 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:41,339 Presidential candidate. 466 00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:44,167 They attempted to break into McGovern headquarters 467 00:21:44,215 --> 00:21:46,475 several times and--to bug McGovern headquarters, 468 00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:48,352 and failed there as well. 469 00:21:48,394 --> 00:21:53,094 - This is a story that I think is not yet well known 470 00:21:53,137 --> 00:21:55,437 in many parts of the country. 471 00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:59,798 But the evidence is very strong that at least 50 people 472 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,370 and perhaps more than that have been hired to do some 473 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:07,889 of the shabbiest undercover operations in the history 474 00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:09,885 of American politics. 475 00:22:09,937 --> 00:22:14,377 - And I remember the thing that surprised me most 476 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:17,860 was all of this important information was coming out 477 00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:21,041 and it seemed to have no impact on the public. 478 00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:23,118 This was no accident. 479 00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:25,867 For years, Nixon had been preparing a brilliant strategy 480 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:27,519 that combined election year politics 481 00:22:27,563 --> 00:22:29,353 and global diplomacy. 482 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:31,961 It succeeded and it also totally overwhelmed 483 00:22:32,002 --> 00:22:33,872 media coverage of Watergate. 484 00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:36,617 Ironically, some of Nixon's motives and goals 485 00:22:36,659 --> 00:22:38,619 were deeply idealistic. 486 00:22:38,661 --> 00:22:42,231 - We're in a situation at the present time. 487 00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:45,893 It will be the last time the United States 488 00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:48,799 can create conditions which can lead to peace 489 00:22:48,845 --> 00:22:52,845 for perhaps 25 years. 490 00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:56,553 The problem we have with the Russians and the Chinese, 491 00:22:56,592 --> 00:23:00,072 they believe in one thing, we believe in another. 492 00:23:00,117 --> 00:23:03,817 But if you start talks with that in mind, 493 00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:07,600 there is a chance you can find areas where you live 494 00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:09,297 and let live. 495 00:23:09,344 --> 00:23:11,434 The only thing I would give to the other side 496 00:23:11,477 --> 00:23:13,567 is that any man, no matter how savage, 497 00:23:13,609 --> 00:23:17,049 probably does think of young people. 498 00:23:17,091 --> 00:23:19,091 The kids. 499 00:23:19,136 --> 00:23:22,656 And they know as we know, that in war, 500 00:23:22,705 --> 00:23:24,745 it would be mass incineration. 501 00:23:27,014 --> 00:23:29,064 But however noble his goals, 502 00:23:29,103 --> 00:23:32,373 Nixon's strategy and timing were ruthlessly political, 503 00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:35,331 with every major action planned for the election year. 504 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:40,160 Step one, in February 1972, the opening to communist China 505 00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:42,421 complete with panda bears, table tennis matches, 506 00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:44,214 and state visits. 507 00:23:44,248 --> 00:23:46,208 - First American President ever to do so 508 00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,730 steps onto Chinese soil. 509 00:23:48,775 --> 00:23:50,685 - Once Nixon opened dialogue with China, 510 00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:52,653 he moved to step two: 511 00:23:52,692 --> 00:23:55,392 using his new relationship with China as leverage 512 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,134 to get a nuclear weapons treaty with the Soviet Union. 513 00:23:58,175 --> 00:24:04,745 - These agreements mean a first step in reducing the danger 514 00:24:04,791 --> 00:24:07,661 of war in the world 515 00:24:07,707 --> 00:24:10,837 and increasing the chances of peace. 516 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:12,414 But the crown jewel 517 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:14,451 of Nixon's strategy was Vietnam. 518 00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:16,886 Nixon intensified the bombing of Vietnam so he could 519 00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:18,763 start withdrawing troops, timed perfectly 520 00:24:18,805 --> 00:24:20,675 for the 1972 election. 521 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,370 - The President has decided to continue our withdrawal 522 00:24:23,418 --> 00:24:27,118 program to an authorized level of 27,000 523 00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:29,771 by December 1st, 1972. 524 00:24:29,816 --> 00:24:31,506 The troop withdrawals reduced 525 00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:34,597 not only U.S. casualties but also draft levels, 526 00:24:34,647 --> 00:24:37,687 enabling Nixon to announce an end to the draft. 527 00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:40,957 This was enormously popular with 18- and 19-year-olds 528 00:24:41,001 --> 00:24:43,661 reaching draft age, so Nixon also announced 529 00:24:43,699 --> 00:24:47,049 that he would lower the voting age from 21 to 18. 530 00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:50,104 - President Nixon is making a strong bid for the support 531 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:52,670 of the 11 million young voters who will be casting 532 00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:54,578 their first ballots in November. 533 00:24:54,623 --> 00:24:55,933 The final touch would be 534 00:24:55,972 --> 00:24:58,192 a Vietnam peace agreement. 535 00:24:58,235 --> 00:25:00,495 Nixon and Kissinger needed to time it so that the agreement 536 00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,542 would be announced before the election, 537 00:25:02,588 --> 00:25:05,678 but that South Vietnam wouldn't collapse until after. 538 00:25:05,721 --> 00:25:07,941 So that the doves couldn't accuse them of having 539 00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:09,554 prolonged the war for nothing. 540 00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:20,865 - The real question is whether we settle at a cost 541 00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:25,920 of destroying the South Vietnamese. 542 00:25:25,959 --> 00:25:28,959 The advantage to settle now is you ensure 543 00:25:29,005 --> 00:25:30,785 a hell of a landslide. 544 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:32,843 You'd have a mandate. 545 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:36,669 - The question is, how can we maneuver so it will 546 00:25:36,709 --> 00:25:39,149 look like a settlement by election day? 547 00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:41,499 If we can get that, then we can screw them 548 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,720 after election day if necessary. 549 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,629 And this... 550 00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:48,204 This I think could finish the destruction of McGovern. 551 00:25:48,242 --> 00:25:49,982 - Oh, yes. 552 00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:54,246 I'm just not sure the South can survive in any event. 553 00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:55,861 The Northerners have more stamina. 554 00:25:55,902 --> 00:25:58,082 How the hell they've taken what they have, 555 00:25:58,121 --> 00:26:00,251 I don't know. 556 00:26:00,297 --> 00:26:02,817 - The doves should not be able to say in October that what you 557 00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:06,385 did they would have done in '69 and saved 20,000 lives. 558 00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:08,044 - Yeah. 559 00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:09,658 Nixon's strategy worked. 560 00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:11,698 The North Vietnamese went along 561 00:26:11,744 --> 00:26:14,144 with Kissinger's proposal, betting correctly that once 562 00:26:14,181 --> 00:26:16,661 the Americans were gone, the North Vietnamese 563 00:26:16,705 --> 00:26:19,485 and Viet Cong could easily conquer South Vietnam. 564 00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,894 And so just ten days before the 1972 election, 565 00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:25,539 Henry Kissinger called a press conference that guaranteed 566 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:27,984 Nixon's landslide victory. 567 00:26:28,021 --> 00:26:32,501 - We believe that peace is at hand. 568 00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:37,547 We believe that by far the longest part of the road 569 00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,506 has been traversed. 570 00:26:39,554 --> 00:26:41,604 Two years after America's withdrawal, 571 00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:43,603 South Vietnam collapsed. 572 00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:47,035 But in 1972, the agreement made Nixon unbeatable. 573 00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:50,263 Nothing else mattered. Certainly not Watergate. 574 00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:53,794 - The President leads McGovern by 26 points in the Gallup. 575 00:26:53,829 --> 00:26:56,749 - President Nixon is well on the way toward the predicted 576 00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:58,749 landslide re-election. 577 00:26:58,791 --> 00:27:01,531 - Well, in Washington, President Nixon's number one 578 00:27:01,576 --> 00:27:04,186 domestic affairs advisor is John Ehrlichman, 579 00:27:04,231 --> 00:27:06,451 and David Schoumacher is with him now. 580 00:27:06,494 --> 00:27:08,454 - Uh, Howard, he feels too good. 581 00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:10,056 I'm gonna ask him whatever happened to Watergate. 582 00:27:10,106 --> 00:27:12,496 - I don't know. I don't know. 583 00:27:12,543 --> 00:27:14,283 Apparently nothing. 584 00:27:14,328 --> 00:27:15,628 But while the cover-up 585 00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:17,547 had temporarily kept the lid on, 586 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:19,642 Watergate just wouldn't go away. 587 00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:21,681 There had already been rumors of payoffs 588 00:27:21,727 --> 00:27:24,247 to the Watergate burglars and suddenly they weren't just 589 00:27:24,294 --> 00:27:26,124 rumors anymore. 590 00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:28,256 - On the 8th of December, this plane crashed 591 00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,258 near Chicago's Midway Airport. 592 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,300 One of those who died in the crash was the wife 593 00:27:32,346 --> 00:27:34,166 of E. Howard Hunt. 594 00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:37,697 In Mrs. Hunt's purse, 100 hundred dollar bills 595 00:27:37,743 --> 00:27:40,443 were found and there has been subsequent testimony 596 00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:42,314 that the cash may have been hush money 597 00:27:42,356 --> 00:27:44,266 supplied by the Committee to Reelect the President. 598 00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:56,889 - Do they have any reading yet on the traceability 599 00:27:56,936 --> 00:27:59,326 of the $10,000? - Uh, no. 600 00:27:59,373 --> 00:28:01,853 Uh, Dean spent most of the weekend on that. 601 00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:04,637 Uh, the bills are still in the hands of the Chicago police 602 00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:06,343 to be turned over to Hunt today, 603 00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:08,210 so until then John doesn't know whether 604 00:28:08,251 --> 00:28:09,911 it's traceable money or not. 605 00:28:09,949 --> 00:28:11,859 He doesn't think it is. 606 00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:13,907 - If something could just be said. 607 00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:16,433 - The problem is exactly that. 608 00:28:16,477 --> 00:28:19,047 Uh, if you reopen it, you raise more questions 609 00:28:19,088 --> 00:28:20,698 than you answer and you bring the thing back up 610 00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:22,742 to public attention. 611 00:28:22,788 --> 00:28:25,398 The thing that bothers me is Segretti and the other stuff 612 00:28:25,442 --> 00:28:26,922 like that tends to be tied to Watergate. 613 00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:28,526 - Well, let's face it. 614 00:28:28,576 --> 00:28:30,926 We all know who should have handled this. 615 00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:32,670 Goddammit, it was Mitchell. 616 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:36,759 And he wasn't handling it. 617 00:28:36,802 --> 00:28:38,672 - Now, there is a way to do this, 618 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:41,677 and that is to dump Mitchell on this thing and say, uh-- 619 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,330 - I dump him, it would kill him financially. 620 00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:47,935 Mitchell has a serious problem with his wife. 621 00:28:47,987 --> 00:28:49,767 He was unable to watch the campaign, 622 00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:52,115 and as a result, the underlings did things 623 00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:53,635 without his knowledge. 624 00:28:53,688 --> 00:28:54,908 - And that really dumps on Magruder. 625 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:57,040 - The minute you dump on Mitchell 626 00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,783 by saying he didn't watch the underlings, 627 00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:02,385 the underlings are gonna produce their diaries 628 00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:05,956 and show that Mitchell was in 18 meetings where this was 629 00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:10,355 discussed, approved, authorized, financed. 630 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,140 Still tense about Watergate 631 00:29:12,185 --> 00:29:14,055 but also emboldened by Nixon's re-election, 632 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,710 the White House intensified 633 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:17,714 its pressure on "The Washington Post." 634 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,146 - Right after the election, the pressure got very, 635 00:29:20,193 --> 00:29:22,113 very tough. 636 00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,721 The real threat was the challenge to our television 637 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:27,943 station licenses which were up for renewal in Florida. 638 00:29:27,983 --> 00:29:29,863 Almost all of them were 639 00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:32,118 obviously politically motivated 640 00:29:32,161 --> 00:29:35,211 mostly by Committee to Reelect the President people. 641 00:29:35,251 --> 00:29:39,131 - "A group headed by President Nixon's Florida fundraiser 642 00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:42,908 "announced Tuesday that it will file a rival application 643 00:29:42,955 --> 00:29:47,085 "for the license of the television station WJXT, 644 00:29:47,133 --> 00:29:49,963 now held by a syndicate of the Washington Post Company." 645 00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:51,655 - Isn't that too bad? 646 00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:54,052 - "Post" will spend a fortune. 647 00:29:54,096 --> 00:29:57,316 - The only thing that was unfortunate on Watergate 648 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,750 was Segretti. 649 00:30:00,363 --> 00:30:02,893 Haldeman slipped there. 650 00:30:02,931 --> 00:30:06,721 That kind of operation should be on the outside. 651 00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:08,461 - But despite enormous pressure, 652 00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:10,202 Katharine Graham and "The Washington Post" 653 00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:12,163 didn't bend an inch. 654 00:30:12,201 --> 00:30:15,861 - I was in the news room and I got a call from the guard 655 00:30:15,901 --> 00:30:21,121 down on 15th Street that there was a guy with a subpoena 656 00:30:21,167 --> 00:30:25,127 for me, Woodward, our notes. 657 00:30:25,171 --> 00:30:27,391 And, uh, should he let him upstairs? 658 00:30:27,434 --> 00:30:30,484 And I said, "No, keep him down there." 659 00:30:30,524 --> 00:30:32,664 And I called Ben Bradlee, the editor. 660 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,270 Bradlee said, "Give me a minute 661 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:36,310 and I'll call you right back." 662 00:30:36,356 --> 00:30:39,226 Called back about five minutes later and he said, 663 00:30:39,272 --> 00:30:42,012 +"All right, first you get out of the office 664 00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:43,967 for the afternoon." 665 00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:47,276 And I talked to Katharine and she says, 666 00:30:47,323 --> 00:30:50,943 "They're not your notes. They're her notes." 667 00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:52,629 And if anybody's gonna go to jail, 668 00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:54,286 it's gonna be her. 669 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:58,470 I still--I get choked up talking about it. 670 00:30:58,508 --> 00:31:00,338 Um... 671 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:02,470 Nixon faced two looming threats. 672 00:31:02,512 --> 00:31:04,252 His first problem was the Senate, 673 00:31:04,297 --> 00:31:06,127 which was still under Democratic control 674 00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:08,428 despite Nixon's landslide victory. 675 00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:10,735 - The Senate tonight voted 77 to nothing 676 00:31:10,781 --> 00:31:13,221 to establish a select committee to investigate 677 00:31:13,262 --> 00:31:16,742 alleged political espionage in last year's election campaign. 678 00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:19,487 That includes the Watergate bugging case. 679 00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:21,269 The committee will be headed by North Carolina Democrat 680 00:31:21,314 --> 00:31:23,364 Sam Ervin. 681 00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:24,623 The second problem Nixon faced 682 00:31:24,665 --> 00:31:26,275 was the burglars trial. 683 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:28,969 - And now the criminal trial begins 684 00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:30,977 in the rarely-used ceremonial courtroom, 685 00:31:31,019 --> 00:31:32,799 the biggest available. 686 00:31:32,847 --> 00:31:34,717 - At least temporarily, the burglars were under 687 00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:36,632 control through payoffs, 688 00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:38,327 and the prosecutors were controlled by Kleindienst 689 00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:39,904 and the White House. 690 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,461 But there was one man at the trial 691 00:31:41,508 --> 00:31:43,948 who wasn't under control: the judge. 692 00:31:43,989 --> 00:31:47,119 Judge John J. Sirica was a conservative Republican 693 00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:49,946 and a Nixon supporter, but he also believed in the law 694 00:31:49,995 --> 00:31:52,815 and he was about to become a big problem. 695 00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:56,347 - Judge Sirica, boy, he was something. 696 00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:59,532 I think he was a stunningly honest man. 697 00:31:59,569 --> 00:32:02,959 And he was outraged. This isn't right. 698 00:32:03,008 --> 00:32:06,098 This isn't the way things are done. 699 00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,841 They've crossed a line. 700 00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:10,802 - I remember talking to Judge Sirica. 701 00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:13,711 We chatted off the record and he said, 702 00:32:13,757 --> 00:32:16,457 "You know, I've got this courtroom case where 703 00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:20,849 "the U.S. Attorney says Gordon Liddy is the mastermind, 704 00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:23,935 "and I have subscription to 'The Washington Post,' 705 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:27,545 "and I've read all of these stories saying Magruder, 706 00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:30,987 "Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, 707 00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,336 White House involvement and so forth." 708 00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:35,516 He said, "The disconnect is so great." 709 00:32:35,562 --> 00:32:38,652 - The Justice Department, through Petersen 710 00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:42,605 and the prosecutors, became part of the cover-up. 711 00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:45,526 They had a fair amount of the same information 712 00:32:45,572 --> 00:32:47,052 that we were uncovering. 713 00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:49,225 We didn't know that at the time. 714 00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:53,671 But they were ordered to only prosecute 715 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:56,240 the Watergate burglary itself. 716 00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,018 They had the information on Segretti. 717 00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:01,764 We didn't even know it at the time, that they did. 718 00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:04,325 Finally at some point in there we went to them and said, 719 00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:05,723 "Do you know this?" 720 00:33:05,766 --> 00:33:07,546 "Oh, yeah. We know all about that." 721 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:15,039 a federal judge today made clear that he believes 722 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,470 the whole truth did not emerge in the trial 723 00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:19,517 the Watergate case. 724 00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:22,222 - Sirica disclosed he's given prosecutor Earl Silbert 725 00:33:22,261 --> 00:33:24,921 a secret list of persons, some of them never questioned, 726 00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:27,089 who should be called before the Grand Jury. 727 00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:30,655 Silbert later indicated to CBS News the prosecution 728 00:33:30,704 --> 00:33:33,054 is not planning to renew its investigation. 729 00:33:33,098 --> 00:33:35,098 After the burglars were found guilty, 730 00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:37,583 Sirica threatened them with long prison sentences 731 00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:39,194 unless they agreed to talk. 732 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:41,064 This gravely endangered the cover-up, 733 00:33:41,106 --> 00:33:43,406 as Nixon immediately realized. 734 00:33:43,456 --> 00:33:45,456 - A minute on Watergate. 735 00:33:45,501 --> 00:33:47,331 What the hell is the strategy now? 736 00:33:49,157 --> 00:33:52,287 The judge, his conduct is shocking. 737 00:33:52,334 --> 00:33:55,644 What's he bucking for? An appointment with the Democrats? 738 00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:58,645 - No, no, Sirica is, uh--is a tough, 739 00:33:58,688 --> 00:34:00,468 hardboiled law-and-order judge. 740 00:34:00,516 --> 00:34:02,606 I know him pretty well. 741 00:34:02,649 --> 00:34:05,609 The only thing I can figure is this case just got under 742 00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:07,962 his craw for some reason. 743 00:34:08,002 --> 00:34:11,312 - After the election, Nixon learns that Haldeman 744 00:34:11,353 --> 00:34:14,573 and Ehrlichman know everything they know basically through me, 745 00:34:14,617 --> 00:34:18,267 so Nixon tells Ehrlichman, "I'm gonna have Dean 746 00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:20,617 report directly to me on Watergate." 747 00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:24,017 - A 35-year sentence? There were no weapons, right? 748 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:27,202 No injuries? That's just ridiculous. 749 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,289 One of these blacks holds up a store with a goddamn gun, 750 00:34:30,329 --> 00:34:31,979 they give him two years. 751 00:34:32,026 --> 00:34:33,896 Probation after six months. 752 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:36,291 - And they let him out on bond. 753 00:34:36,335 --> 00:34:39,075 Hunt made the bond. Everybody else is in jail. 754 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,690 - What the hell do they expect? 755 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:43,120 They expect clemency within a reasonable time? 756 00:34:43,168 --> 00:34:44,128 - I think they do. 757 00:34:45,822 --> 00:34:47,962 - And what would you advise on that? 758 00:34:47,998 --> 00:34:49,168 - It's one of those things we'll have 759 00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:52,087 to watch very closely. 760 00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:54,533 - You couldn't do it, say, in six months? 761 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:56,360 - No. 762 00:34:56,398 --> 00:35:01,138 This may become so political. - Jesus Christ. 763 00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:05,886 The main thing is the isolation of the President from this. 764 00:35:05,929 --> 00:35:07,669 - Absolutely. 765 00:35:07,714 --> 00:35:12,984 - Because that fortunately is totally true. 766 00:35:13,023 --> 00:35:14,423 - I know that, sir. 767 00:35:16,723 --> 00:35:18,293 - But the committee is after the White House. 768 00:35:20,857 --> 00:35:24,727 Haldeman or Colson, Ehrlichman. 769 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:29,257 - Or possibly Dean. 770 00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:31,221 John Dean was right to be worried 771 00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:33,519 because the cover-up was starting to fall apart. 772 00:35:33,566 --> 00:35:36,346 The first to name Dean publicly was L. Patrick Gray, 773 00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:38,695 who was forced to testify in the Senate to be confirmed 774 00:35:38,745 --> 00:35:41,175 as permanent director of the FBI. 775 00:35:41,226 --> 00:35:44,006 - Gray has revealed that when the FBI was investigating 776 00:35:44,054 --> 00:35:46,544 the Watergate bugging case, a White House lawyer, 777 00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:49,059 John Dean, sat in on all questioning 778 00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:51,063 of White House officials. 779 00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:54,105 - Kennedy, "Did Gray object to Dean's presence?" 780 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:56,152 Gray, "He couldn't remember for sure, 781 00:35:56,197 --> 00:35:57,887 "but he would have preferred not to have 782 00:35:57,938 --> 00:35:59,848 the President's counsel there." 783 00:35:59,896 --> 00:36:02,196 - Byrd recalling that Gray testified that FBI agents 784 00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:05,077 asked White House counsel John Dean if Watergate suspect 785 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,819 E. Howard Hunt had an office in the White House, 786 00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:10,341 and that Dean said he would have to check whether or not 787 00:36:10,385 --> 00:36:13,685 Mr. Hunt had an office there and would ascertain that. 788 00:36:13,736 --> 00:36:17,906 Byrd asked, "When was that?" Replied Gray, "June 22nd." 789 00:36:17,958 --> 00:36:20,308 But that, Byrd pointed out, was three days after Dean 790 00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:21,702 had had material from Hunt's office moved 791 00:36:21,744 --> 00:36:23,574 to his own office. 792 00:36:23,616 --> 00:36:26,576 Said Byrd, "He lied to the agent, didn't he?" 793 00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:29,269 Gray, "I would have to say looking back on it now, 794 00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:32,757 I would have to conclude that that probably is correct." 795 00:36:32,799 --> 00:36:35,059 Byrd, "Yet on yesterday, you said you would continue 796 00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:37,535 to send files to Dean if he requests them." 797 00:36:37,586 --> 00:36:40,366 Gray, "You have got to realize I am the head of a bureau 798 00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:42,195 "in the executive branch of government. 799 00:36:42,243 --> 00:36:44,593 I've got to take orders from somebody." 800 00:36:44,637 --> 00:36:47,287 - That element of ubiquity about Mr. John Dean, 801 00:36:47,335 --> 00:36:49,335 he's everywhere at all times in connection 802 00:36:49,381 --> 00:36:51,431 to this Watergate investigation. 803 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:54,260 - Dean's involvement with the FBI inquiry has added 804 00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:57,299 to Democratic suspicions that Gray was put under White House 805 00:36:57,345 --> 00:36:59,605 pressure in the Watergate investigation. 806 00:36:59,652 --> 00:37:00,872 They want to call the President's counsel 807 00:37:00,914 --> 00:37:03,004 as a witness. 808 00:37:03,046 --> 00:37:05,396 Even one Republican agreed today this may be necessary 809 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,570 to assure Gray's confirmation. 810 00:37:07,616 --> 00:37:09,656 - The White House has already said that Dean 811 00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:11,445 will not testify. 812 00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:12,580 But the Senate threatened 813 00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:14,411 not to confirm Gray unless 814 00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:16,279 the newly-formed Senate Watergate Committee 815 00:37:16,321 --> 00:37:17,761 was allowed to question Dean 816 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,590 and other White House officials. 817 00:37:19,628 --> 00:37:22,628 - If the Gray nomination depends on a satisfactory 818 00:37:22,675 --> 00:37:25,545 outcome of the Watergate investigation. 819 00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:28,811 Uh, that in turn presumably depends on various White House 820 00:37:28,855 --> 00:37:31,595 staff people appearing before your Select Committee 821 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,080 on the Watergate. 822 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,030 The White House says they won't come. 823 00:37:34,077 --> 00:37:36,077 What are you gonna do? 824 00:37:36,123 --> 00:37:37,863 - I'd recommend to the Senate to send the sergeant-at-arms 825 00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:39,947 of the Senate to arrest the White House aide 826 00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:42,216 or any other witness who refuses to appear. 827 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,570 At the same time, the Watergate burglars 828 00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:47,400 were starting to crack under pressure from Judge Sirica, 829 00:37:47,439 --> 00:37:49,529 and they were also starting to blackmail the White House. 830 00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:51,141 - Mr. Hunt, why did you plead as you did? 831 00:37:51,181 --> 00:37:52,711 - Mr. Hunt'll have no comment. 832 00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:56,058 - March 19th, one of the lawyers 833 00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:59,489 from the Re-election Committee comes directly to my office 834 00:37:59,538 --> 00:38:01,578 and--with a message the likes of which 835 00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:03,537 I had not received before. 836 00:38:03,585 --> 00:38:06,755 He said, "John, Howard Hunt has a message for you." 837 00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:13,766 And it was that if he wasn't given $122,000 yesterday, 838 00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:17,903 for all practical purposes, he was gonna have some seamy 839 00:38:17,947 --> 00:38:22,337 things to say about what he'd done for John Ehrlichman. 840 00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:25,477 That was clear a threat about the Ellsberg break-in. 841 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,520 And I just realize, this is gonna go on forever. 842 00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:30,697 It's--there's no ending. 843 00:38:30,743 --> 00:38:34,923 If we don't end this cover-up, uh, it's only gonna get more 844 00:38:34,964 --> 00:38:38,144 complex, not less, and there's only one person 845 00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:41,315 who can end it, and that's Richard Nixon. 846 00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:43,892 Another Watergate burglar, James McCord, 847 00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:45,930 was already talking to Judge Sirica. 848 00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:48,585 And John Dean knew that if Hunt and McCord talked, 849 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:50,370 it would be fatal for the Nixon White House 850 00:38:50,415 --> 00:38:52,065 and for John Dean. 851 00:38:56,682 --> 00:38:58,212 On March 21, Dean went to Nixon. 852 00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:04,392 - I think there's no doubt about the seriousness 853 00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:06,519 of the problem. 854 00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:11,481 We have a cancer within, close to the presidency. 855 00:39:11,523 --> 00:39:15,093 It's growing daily. It compounds itself. 856 00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:19,095 It is basically because, one, we're being blackmailed. 857 00:39:19,139 --> 00:39:23,009 Two, people are going to start perjuring themselves 858 00:39:23,056 --> 00:39:26,576 very quickly to protect other people. 859 00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:28,405 And there is no assurance-- 860 00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:30,063 - That it won't bust. 861 00:39:30,106 --> 00:39:32,496 - That that won't bust. 862 00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:34,284 So let me give you the basic facts. 863 00:39:36,286 --> 00:39:38,416 - On June 17th, I got the word there'd been 864 00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:41,123 this break-in at the Democratic National Committee. 865 00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:43,161 - You knew who it was. - I knew who it was. 866 00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:44,816 So I called Liddy. 867 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,820 I said, "I wanna know how this happened." 868 00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:50,742 He said, "Well, I was pushed by Magruder." 869 00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:52,169 Magruder's perjured himself. 870 00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:57,663 Liddy said that if they all got counsel instantly, 871 00:39:57,699 --> 00:40:00,829 "Well, we'll ride this out." 872 00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:02,916 Then they started making demands. 873 00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:05,005 Attorneys fees. 874 00:40:05,054 --> 00:40:07,674 Uh, "We don't have money and you're asking us to take this 875 00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:09,619 through the election?" 876 00:40:09,668 --> 00:40:12,668 So arrangements were made through Mitchell, uh, 877 00:40:12,714 --> 00:40:13,764 initiating it. 878 00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:15,282 I was present. 879 00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:18,885 That these guys had to be taken care of. 880 00:40:18,938 --> 00:40:22,718 Kalmbach was brought in. Raised some cash. 881 00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:25,418 That's the most troublesome thing. 882 00:40:25,466 --> 00:40:28,156 Because Bob is involved in that. 883 00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:31,298 John is involved in that. I am involved in that. 884 00:40:31,341 --> 00:40:34,341 Mitchell is involved in that. 885 00:40:34,388 --> 00:40:37,648 And that is an obstruction of justice. 886 00:40:39,611 --> 00:40:43,531 - The fact that you're taking care of witnesses. 887 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,580 - Now, the blackmail is continuing. 888 00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:54,633 Hunt is demanding another 120-some-thousand dollars. 889 00:40:54,669 --> 00:40:57,019 Wanted it by close of business yesterday. 890 00:40:57,063 --> 00:40:59,893 Hunt has now made a direct threat. 891 00:40:59,935 --> 00:41:04,325 Now, the continued blackmail will go on. 892 00:41:05,854 --> 00:41:07,604 And it will compound the obstruction 893 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:09,729 of justice situation. 894 00:41:09,771 --> 00:41:12,991 It'll cost money. It's dangerous. 895 00:41:14,384 --> 00:41:16,084 People here are not pros at this. 896 00:41:16,125 --> 00:41:18,475 This is the sort of thing mafia people can do. 897 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,219 Washing money, we just don't know about these things. 898 00:41:21,261 --> 00:41:23,571 We're not criminals. - That's right. 899 00:41:23,611 --> 00:41:26,531 How much money do you need? 900 00:41:26,571 --> 00:41:30,621 - I would say a million dollars over the next two years. 901 00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:34,318 - We could get that. 902 00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:36,451 You could get a million dollars, 903 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:38,104 and you could get it in cash. 904 00:41:38,147 --> 00:41:39,797 I know where it could be gotten. 905 00:41:39,845 --> 00:41:41,455 - Uh-huh. 906 00:41:44,197 --> 00:41:47,547 What if it starts breaking and they find a criminal case 907 00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:53,122 against a Haldeman, a Dean, a Mitchell, an Ehrlichman? 908 00:41:54,686 --> 00:41:56,296 Some people are gonna have to go to jail. 909 00:41:58,907 --> 00:42:00,867 - You'll go to jail? - That's right. 910 00:42:02,824 --> 00:42:05,784 - I can't see how a legal case can be made against you. 911 00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:07,527 - Obstruction of justice. 912 00:42:07,568 --> 00:42:11,788 - The obstruction of justice, I feel, 913 00:42:11,833 --> 00:42:15,183 could be cut off at the pass. 914 00:42:15,228 --> 00:42:19,488 Let us suppose that you get the million bucks 915 00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:23,237 and get the proper way to handle it. 916 00:42:23,279 --> 00:42:25,929 It would seem to me that would be worthwhile. 917 00:42:30,896 --> 00:42:34,156 I was talking to John about this situation. 918 00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:35,603 We can get the money. 919 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,209 There's no problem in that. 920 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:43,167 We can't provide the clemency. 921 00:42:43,212 --> 00:42:48,572 If you hunker down and fight, 922 00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:51,219 your view is that's not a viable option. 923 00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:56,099 - It's a very high risk. 924 00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:59,048 - Well, John's point is exactly right. 925 00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,618 Well, the erosion now is going to you, 926 00:43:01,666 --> 00:43:03,486 and we've got to figure out where to turn it off 927 00:43:03,537 --> 00:43:07,847 at the lowest cost we can but at whatever cost it takes. 928 00:43:07,889 --> 00:43:09,889 - We cannot let you be tarnished. 929 00:43:19,422 --> 00:43:21,992 - It isn't just Hunt. 930 00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:26,734 It's, uh, Liddy and McCord and the Cubans. 931 00:43:26,778 --> 00:43:30,348 So Dean finally goes running to Mitchell and said, 932 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:31,610 "Uh, I've got to have some money." 933 00:43:33,306 --> 00:43:36,396 Kalmbach can't do it anymore and--and shouldn't. 934 00:43:36,439 --> 00:43:37,959 - Dangerous things are... 935 00:43:39,704 --> 00:43:42,014 raising the money. 936 00:43:42,054 --> 00:43:43,974 - You can't have a fundraising drive and give everybody 937 00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:46,012 certificates and gold pens. 938 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,408 - The obstruction of justice. 939 00:43:50,976 --> 00:43:52,716 - See, I hadn't really thought of that. 940 00:43:56,546 --> 00:43:58,456 - We're all in it. 941 00:44:00,942 --> 00:44:03,862 I think up to this point, 942 00:44:03,902 --> 00:44:06,082 we had certain choices. 943 00:44:10,386 --> 00:44:11,736 But that's gone. 71063

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