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- Five people have been
arrested and charged
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with breaking into
the headquarters
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of the Democratic
National Committee
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in the middle of the night.
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- Police confiscated extensive
photographic and electronic
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eavesdropping gear.
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- I want it implemented
on a thievery basis.
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Goddammit, get in
and get those files.
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We are going to use any means.
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male narrator: Within a week
after the Watergate arrests,
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Woodward and Bernstein already
realized that Watergate
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was no ordinary burglary,
and they started digging.
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- We couldn't find
out who worked
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for the re-election committee.
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It was like,
uh, top secret.
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Really you knew
John Mitchell
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was the chairman,
you knew a couple other names,
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but beyond that
you couldn't find out.
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- Carl got the, uh, list
of people who worked there,
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and we couldn't call them
at their offices.
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- We started visitingth,
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in their homes.
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- Bob and I were good friends.
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I know how hard
he worked on it.
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He worked on it all the time.
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He--He worked on it at night.
He knocked on doors at night.
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It was 24/7 for
both Carl and Bob,
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and he kept telling
me over and over,
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"Do not let them take
this story away from you.
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Hold onto this story."
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Nine days after
the Watergate arrests,
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White House Chief of Staff
Bob Haldeman was nervous
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about whether
the cover-up would hold,
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particularly
for John Mitchell.
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But Nixon was truly loyal
to Mitchell,
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and refused to make
him the fall guy.
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- So Mitchell pulls out.
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So he's still the former
Attorney General
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and the former
campaign manager.
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They're not gonna let up
on him just because
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he isn't the manager now.
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The only way you can do that is
to hang him on it and say,
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"Well, yeah, he did it.
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That's why we have
to get rid of him."
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- I can't do that to him.
I'd rather shit.
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Lose the election.
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- You can't do that.
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He won't let you do that.
He'll pull the plug on himself.
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- No, no.
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He was supposed to do
everything he could
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to find out what was going on.
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- Apparently with our
limited resources,
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they use the same people
for a wide range of things.
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So you got cross ties.
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If these guys were
only on this thing,
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you could cut them loose and
sink them without a trace.
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Tying these people
to those and this,
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that is a problem because
it shows they were political.
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- Yeah.
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You're right.
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- John Mitchell resigned
today as the head
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of President Nixon's
re-election campaign committee.
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- Some Democrats maintain
that the burglary
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of their headquarters carried
out by, among others,
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a member of Mitchell's staff
may have been a factor.
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Most White House
and CREEP officials
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went along
with the cover-up,
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and just to make sure,
whenever they were questioned
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by the FBI, a White House
lawyer would be watching.
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- I was assigned to
interview Jeb Magruder.
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This was at the White House,
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the White House attorney
in back of me,
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and started interviewing him.
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"No, I don't have any
information.
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I don't know anything
about this."
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And then he starts
dribbling out some stuff.
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I'm taking notes,
and all of the sudden,
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I felt something in back of me.
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Here was the
White House lawyer.
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He's going like this,
looking at my notes.
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I said, "Well, Mr. Magruder,
if you don't tell me now
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"what your involvement was
or is in this case,
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you're gonna have to
tell the Grand Jury."
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I said,
"Save yourself the trip."
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But he wouldn't do it.
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- You could tell
that he was lying?
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- Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
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- Mr. Magruder took me
to lunch and, uh, said,
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"You know, the amount of money
we authorized for Gordon Liddy
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"is a problem.
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"We can't tell people
that it was that much.
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So you and I need to tell
them a different number."
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And, uh, I was a
little shocked by this,
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so I said, "Well, Jeb,
I have no intention
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of perjuring myself."
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And he said,
"You may have to."
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But Hugh Sloan
was an honest man,
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and when CREEP
pressured him to lie,
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he resigned instead.
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And soon afterwards, Woodward
and Bernstein found him.
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- A lot of doors were
slammed in our faces,
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but very quickly I found
myself on the doorstep
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of the person called
The Bookkeeper.
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It turned out that The
Bookkeeper was the assistant
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to the treasurer of the
Committee for the Re-Election
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of the President--
a man named Hugh Sloan.
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- They were young guys
just starting out,
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and they made the appeal,
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"Okay, you can't talk
to us publicly,
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"but let's talk about--
can't you help us understand
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how a campaign works?
Can't we talk on background?"
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Um, uh, that type of approach.
And they were quite good at it.
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- He started, uh, explaining
that there were these large
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disbursements to people
like Gordon Liddy
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and that there was this secret
cash fund and there were
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five people who
had control of it.
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It turned out that John
Mitchell was one of the people
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who could authorize
disbursements of that fund.
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- The Watergate bugging had
been funded with knowledge
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of the campaign manager
while he was
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the chief law enforcement
officer of the country.
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I had a number for Mitchell.
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And I got him on the phone
and I said,
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"Mr. Mitchell, there's a story
in tomorrow's paper
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"I wanna read to you what
Bob Woodward and myself
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have written and
get your response."
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And I got as far
as, "John N. Mitchell,
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"while Attorney General
of the United States,
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had controlled a secret fund."
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And Mr. Mitchell said,
"Jeessuuss." Just like that.
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Got to the end
of the first paragraph,
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and Mitchell said,
"Jesus Christ,
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"all that crap, you're
putting it in the paper?
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"It's already been denied.
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"If you print that,
Katie Graham's gonna
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get her tit caught in
a big fat wringer."
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And there was a pause,
and then he said,
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"And when this
campaign is over,
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we're gonna do a little
story on you two boys."
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And he hung the phone up.
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Now, I can tell you
that to this day,
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it's the most chilling moment
I think I've ever had
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as a reporter
because he meant it.
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But Bernstein
didn't back off,
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and crucially,
neither did Ben Bradlee,
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"The Washington Post's"
editor,
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or Katharine Graham, the
"Post's" owner and publisher.
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- So I called
Ben Bradlee up
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after this conversation
with Mitchell,
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and I told him what
Mitchell had said.
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And Bradlee said,
"He really said that?
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Do you have good notes?"
And I said, "Yeah."
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I read him back my notes.
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And he said,
"Put it all in the paper,
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but leave her tit out."
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And that's exactly
what Bernstein did.
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- The next morning Mrs. Graham
came down at my desk and said,
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"Carl, do you have any
more messages for me?"
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Woodward, Bernstein,
and the "Post" kept pushing,
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seemingly without
interference,
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but unknown to them,
Nixon and the White House
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were already plotting
to cripple them.
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- What are you gonna do
about "The Washington Post"?
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- Well, we can't do a thing
before the election.
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The White House has
gotta do something.
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What do you think?
- Well, you buy the stock.
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- Well, she's got two
classes of stock.
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70% of the voting powers
are in stock she alone holds.
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- Can't you screw her
on a television license?
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- Oh, yes.
- How?
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- Just not renew it.
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It has to come up for
renewal every three years.
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- How do we--
How do we do that?
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- You put a group together
as a way to get at her.
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Nixon's new Attorney
General Richard Kleindienst
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made sure that the FBI
and the prosecutors limited
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their investigation to the
burglars, Hunt, and Liddy.
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Kleindienst and his deputy,
Henry Petersen,
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also told the White House
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everything the
investigators did.
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- It's Henry Petersen,
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the head of the
criminal division,
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who's right on top
of the investigation
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and filling me in with
everything that's happening
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in the investigation--not only
FBI but the Grand Jury.
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- Seven people were indicted
today, the five who were
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caught by the police along
with two others,
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G. Gordon Liddy
and E. Howard Hunt,
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a former consultant
for the White House.
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- It was likewise the most
thorough comprehensive
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Grand Jury presentation
that has ever been made.
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There was no stone that
was left unturned.
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There was no lead
or possible witness
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that wasn't followed up.
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- Sources here at the
Justice Department say
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the investigation by both the
FBI and the Grand Jury is over.
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There is no evidence,
they insist,
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that anyone else was involved.
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- Later that day,
Nixon summoned John Dean
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to the Oval Office.
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The 1972 election
was still 54 days away,
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but Nixon was pleased
with the cover-up.
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In fact, he was already
planning more attacks
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on enemies including
"The Washington Post"
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and its attorney,
Edward Bennett Williams.
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- Three months ago
I would have had difficulty
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predicting where
we'd be today.
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I think I can say that 54 days
from now that not a thing
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will come crashing down.
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- Well, the whole thing
is a can of worms.
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A lot of this stuff went on,
but the way you've handled it.
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Seems to me has
been very skillful.
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Putting your fingers
in the dikes
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every time that leaks
have sprung.
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Don't worry.
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I wouldn't wanna be on
the other side right now.
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I wouldn't wanna be in Edward
Bennett Williams' position
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after this election.
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- No, no.
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- Because afterwards,
that's the guy.
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- We're going after him.
- That's the guy we gotta ruin.
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- He's an attorney for
"The Washington Post."
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I think we're gonna fix
this son of a bitch.
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We've got to.
- Absolutely.
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Well, along that line,
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one of the things I've
tried to do is keep notes
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on people who are
less than our friends.
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- I want the most comprehensive
notes on all of those
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that have tried to do us in.
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We haven't used the power
in the first four years.
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We haven't used the Bureau.
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We haven't used
the Justice Department.
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But things are
gonna change now.
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- That's an exciting prospect.
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- Nixon administration
officials
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would take reporters
aside and say,
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"I hope you're not buying
this Watergate bullshit.
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You know, the 'Post' is way
out on a limb here."
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- I don't respect the type
of journalism,
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the shabby journalism
that is being practiced
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by "The Washington Post."
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- At CBS News,
in the beginning,
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alone among the television
networks, took the attitude,
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we should take it to air
with full credit and say,
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"In today's news,
worth noting
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'The Washington Post' is
reporting thus and such."
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There were back-channel calls
to William S. Paley
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who basically owned
the company,
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was a Republican,
had been a big Nixon supporter,
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pressure on him to shut
these news guys up.
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And to his everlasting credit,
for the most part,
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he stonewalled them.
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- The White House--I believe
it was Charles Colson--
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called Paley and squeezed
Mr. Paley, who turned around
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and squeezed the news division.
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Now, it was pretty bold
and, uh, courageous of
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the then-President of CBS News
to stand up to Mr. Paley.
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- The pressure was on.
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High White House officials
came to, one case,
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the Bureau Chief,
and another case,
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to the head of
the news division,
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suggesting that I be
relieved as White House
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Chief Correspondent.
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In fact John Ehrlichman
once said
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to the President
of the News Division,
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"Maybe you could send this
guy Rather back to Texas."
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- They targeted Dan.
Dan became the bĂȘte noire.
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One of the--there's--
Nixon had an enemies list,
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and then there was Dan Rather.
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He was Enemy Number One.
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I think one of the reasons
that I admire Dan so much
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is that I did know he was
coming under pressure,
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and he stood up to it.
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He didn't withdraw.
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He didn't change
what he wanted to say
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night after night
on the White House lawn.
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- I can remember coming home
to my wife and I told her,
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"You know, it's one of those
times in life professionally
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"both CBS News and we--
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"our little selves here,
our family--
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we've got everything
on the line."
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If any or all of what is
alleged to have been going on
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is true, how high up in
the White House does it go?
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And is the President
himself involved?
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On September 28, 1972,
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Carl Bernstein got
a phone call that led him
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to a lawyer and low-level
government official
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named Donald Segretti.
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- I was in the office.
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I get this call from somebody
who says he has a friend
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who had been approached
in a rather strange way
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to go to work for the Nixon
Re-election Committee
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to try and maybe do
some dirty tricks.
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And I was given the guy's
name, which was Alex Shipley.
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And he told me this story
of how he and others
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had been approached by a guy
named Donald Segretti,
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who said he was working on
behalf of the Nixon campaign
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to try to sabotage
campaign events.
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We have this name Segretti.
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We got his credit card records
and his telephone records and--
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- How'd you do that?
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Uh, I--I had a source
at the telephone company
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and, uh--and, uh--
I can't remember how.
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Maybe Bob got the
American Express records.
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Maybe I did.
I can't remember.
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- That couldn't
happen these days.
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- It'd be pretty tough.
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I don't know,
maybe yes, maybe no.
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- Segretti flew cross-country
to more than 17 states
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setting up a nationwide network
of spies and saboteurs.
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He recruited
more than 50 operatives
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who helped him
pull his pranks,
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some benign, others
clear violations of law.
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- Reports by "The Washington
Post" and "Time Magazine"
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name the President's
appointment secretary
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Dwight Chapin as a contact man
for the operation.
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The other named by the "Post"
is Herbert Kalmbach,
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the President's
personal lawyer.
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- What's the situation
on Segretti?
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- Segretti, just so you know,
is incommunicado.
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But he calls John Dean
from a public phone
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and calls on to a line
that's not traceable
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every day around noon.
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Well, this is why
we got the man we got.
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We get him paid outside,
get him completely away
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from the place.
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- I just think we gotta
brazen it through.
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Meanwhile, Kalmbach,
what's he have to say?
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- Kalmbach doesn't have
to say a goddamn thing.
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- I know that.
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It's a question whether...
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If the lawyer for the President
is involved in putting up
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the money,
that's a bad story.
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- Right.
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- Has anybody talked to
Segretti--Don Segretti--
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to find out whether such
an espionage squad existed?
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- Well, uh,
I really don't know.
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- In the Justice Department?
- As far as I--
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- Don't you think--
Should they?
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- Well, I don't know
if they should or not.
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When Woodward and
Bernstein dug into Segretti's
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dirty tricks operation,
they quickly realized
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that it was just one part
of something much larger.
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- Finally Watergate
made sense,
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that this break-in was not
an isolated incident,
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but it was part of a vast
campaign of political espionage
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and sabotage to undermine
the Democrats
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and the election itself.
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- This was an effort to say,
"We're gonna pick who Nixon
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runs against to make
sure he wins."
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- It worked.
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I think people who worked
in the campaign will tell you
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that it worked.
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Nixon's efforts
to sabotage the election
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had started
a year earlier.
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First Colson, Dean, Haldeman,
and others created lists
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of opponents and discussed
how to attack them.
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For example in this 1971
memo by John Dean.
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Then Nixon, thinking ahead
to the election,
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started to focus on potential
Democratic opponents,
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especially the Democratic
frontrunner,
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Maine senator
Edmund Muskie.
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- John, we have the power,
but are we using it
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to investigate, you know,
contributors to, uh,
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Humphrey, Muskie,
the Jews who are stealing?
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- I don't know.
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- We have a new man
over there.
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- You mean at IRS?
- Yeah.
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In tax returns.
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Are we looking into
Muskie's return?
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- No, we haven't.
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- Teddy Kennedy?
The Kennedys?
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Shouldn't they
be investigated?
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- IRS-wise, I don't know.
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Teddy, we are covering
personally.
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- And what about Muskie?
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This wasn't just
another one of Nixon's rants.
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Again and again over
the following months,
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Nixon pressured his staff
to attack the Democrats.
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- Now, here's the point.
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Bob...
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Please get me the
names of the Jews.
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Big Jewish contributors
to the Democrats.
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Could we please investigate
some of the cocksuckers?
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The IRS is going
after Billy Graham.
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I just don't know whether
we're being as rough.
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- I've often been asked
what it feels like
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to be the frontrunner.
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Well, the one sensation
that I feel most of all
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almost every day is a twitching
between my shoulder blades.
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Because I know I'm the target.
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Muskie had no idea
how right he was.
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By early 1972,
the White House,
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CREEP, and Donald Segretti
were mounting numerous
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and increasingly serious
covert operations against him.
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- They had Muskie's chauffeur
on the payroll.
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One of his jobs was to take
documents from Muskie's
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Senate office to Muskie's
campaign headquarters.
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The chauffeur was paid
by the Nixon campaign
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to make copies
of those documents,
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and so the Nixon campaign
had total transparency
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of what Muskie was doing.
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Strategy memos, the schedule,
copies of everything.
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Newspapers started
publishing stories
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that attacked his wife.
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I think they rattled Muskie.
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Uh, one of the operations
was this Canuck letter.
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Since
his earliest campaigns,
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Nixon had used smear tactics.
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But in 1972, he also used
what we now call fake news,
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and he used it very
effectively.
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- Democratic Senator
Edmund Muskie today denounced
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William Loeb,
the conservative publisher
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of the Manchester
"New Hampshire Union Leader,"
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as a liar and a gutless coward.
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What infuriated Muskie was
Loeb's publication yesterday
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of a letter from a man in
Florida who claimed he had
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overheard Muskie laugh at the
use of the word "Canuck,"
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a reference to Americans
of French descent.
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Both the attacks
on Muskie's wife
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and the Canuck letter
were fake,
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but their effects
were very real.
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- First to say to Mr. Loeb,
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who's the publisher
of this paper,
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that he has lied about me.
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By attacking me,
by attacking my wife,
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he has proved himself
to be a gutless coward.
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- Talking more about
the incident,
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he suddenly became
emotional and found it
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difficult to continue.
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- Maybe I said all
I should on it.
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It's fortunate for him he's not
on this platform beside me.
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A good woman...
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- He got very emotional
and he cried.
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And a lot of people thought
that that was pivotal
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in the downfall of Muskie.
437
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- Muskie had a
psychological collapse.
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- On television we
watched Edmund Muskie
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choking back tears.
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Emotional display
carries a connotation
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of incomplete self-control.
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Not a good impression
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for a potential
chief executive to create.
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Muskie was forced to
drop out of the race in April.
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And in July the Democrats
nominated liberal senator
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George McGovern as their
candidate to oppose Nixon.
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- The senator from South Dakota
and the next President
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00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:57,518
of the United States,
George McGovern.
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- One of Nixon's key aides,
Pat Buchanan,
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thought it was just great
they got George McGovern
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to run against, who was much
more, uh, left wing.
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- I was doing then at Nixon's
request the in-depth analysis
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of his potential
adversaries in '72,
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foremost among which
was Muskie,
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and I'd already done
the analysis of Muskie.
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And I didn't do McGovern
because I said in a memo,
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uh, "We have not been--
lived so good a life
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"that divine providence is
gonna reward us
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with George McGovern
as an opponent."
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But divine providence
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had nothing to do with it,
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and the White House
didn't stop,
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even after they had knocked
Muskie out of the race.
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- George McGovern replaced
Muskie as the likely
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Presidential candidate.
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They attempted to break into
McGovern headquarters
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several times and--to bug
McGovern headquarters,
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and failed there as well.
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00:21:48,394 --> 00:21:53,094
- This is a story that I think
is not yet well known
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in many parts of the country.
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But the evidence is very strong
that at least 50 people
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and perhaps more than that
have been hired to do some
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of the shabbiest undercover
operations in the history
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of American politics.
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- And I remember the thing
that surprised me most
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was all of this important
information was coming out
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and it seemed to have
no impact on the public.
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This was no accident.
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For years, Nixon had been
preparing a brilliant strategy
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that combined
election year politics
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and global diplomacy.
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It succeeded and it also
totally overwhelmed
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media coverage of Watergate.
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00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:36,617
Ironically, some of Nixon's
motives and goals
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were deeply idealistic.
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- We're in a situation
at the present time.
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It will be the last time
the United States
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can create conditions
which can lead to peace
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for perhaps 25 years.
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The problem we have with
the Russians and the Chinese,
491
00:22:56,592 --> 00:23:00,072
they believe in one thing,
we believe in another.
492
00:23:00,117 --> 00:23:03,817
But if you start talks
with that in mind,
493
00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:07,600
there is a chance you can find
areas where you live
494
00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:09,297
and let live.
495
00:23:09,344 --> 00:23:11,434
The only thing I would give
to the other side
496
00:23:11,477 --> 00:23:13,567
is that any man,
no matter how savage,
497
00:23:13,609 --> 00:23:17,049
probably does think
of young people.
498
00:23:17,091 --> 00:23:19,091
The kids.
499
00:23:19,136 --> 00:23:22,656
And they know as
we know, that in war,
500
00:23:22,705 --> 00:23:24,745
it would be mass
incineration.
501
00:23:27,014 --> 00:23:29,064
But however
noble his goals,
502
00:23:29,103 --> 00:23:32,373
Nixon's strategy and timing
were ruthlessly political,
503
00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:35,331
with every major action
planned for the election year.
504
00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:40,160
Step one, in February 1972,
the opening to communist China
505
00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:42,421
complete with panda bears,
table tennis matches,
506
00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:44,214
and state visits.
507
00:23:44,248 --> 00:23:46,208
- First American President
ever to do so
508
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,730
steps onto Chinese soil.
509
00:23:48,775 --> 00:23:50,685
- Once Nixon opened
dialogue with China,
510
00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:52,653
he moved to step two:
511
00:23:52,692 --> 00:23:55,392
using his new relationship
with China as leverage
512
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,134
to get a nuclear weapons
treaty with the Soviet Union.
513
00:23:58,175 --> 00:24:04,745
- These agreements mean a first
step in reducing the danger
514
00:24:04,791 --> 00:24:07,661
of war in the world
515
00:24:07,707 --> 00:24:10,837
and increasing
the chances of peace.
516
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:12,414
But the crown jewel
517
00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:14,451
of Nixon's strategy
was Vietnam.
518
00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:16,886
Nixon intensified the bombing
of Vietnam so he could
519
00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:18,763
start withdrawing troops,
timed perfectly
520
00:24:18,805 --> 00:24:20,675
for the 1972 election.
521
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,370
- The President has decided
to continue our withdrawal
522
00:24:23,418 --> 00:24:27,118
program to an authorized
level of 27,000
523
00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:29,771
by December 1st, 1972.
524
00:24:29,816 --> 00:24:31,506
The troop
withdrawals reduced
525
00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:34,597
not only U.S. casualties
but also draft levels,
526
00:24:34,647 --> 00:24:37,687
enabling Nixon to announce
an end to the draft.
527
00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:40,957
This was enormously popular
with 18- and 19-year-olds
528
00:24:41,001 --> 00:24:43,661
reaching draft age,
so Nixon also announced
529
00:24:43,699 --> 00:24:47,049
that he would lower the
voting age from 21 to 18.
530
00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:50,104
- President Nixon is making
a strong bid for the support
531
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:52,670
of the 11 million young voters
who will be casting
532
00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:54,578
their first ballots
in November.
533
00:24:54,623 --> 00:24:55,933
The final touch would be
534
00:24:55,972 --> 00:24:58,192
a Vietnam peace agreement.
535
00:24:58,235 --> 00:25:00,495
Nixon and Kissinger needed to
time it so that the agreement
536
00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,542
would be announced
before the election,
537
00:25:02,588 --> 00:25:05,678
but that South Vietnam
wouldn't collapse until after.
538
00:25:05,721 --> 00:25:07,941
So that the doves couldn't
accuse them of having
539
00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:09,554
prolonged the war for nothing.
540
00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:20,865
- The real question is whether
we settle at a cost
541
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:25,920
of destroying
the South Vietnamese.
542
00:25:25,959 --> 00:25:28,959
The advantage to settle
now is you ensure
543
00:25:29,005 --> 00:25:30,785
a hell of a landslide.
544
00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:32,843
You'd have a mandate.
545
00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:36,669
- The question is,
how can we maneuver so it will
546
00:25:36,709 --> 00:25:39,149
look like a settlement
by election day?
547
00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:41,499
If we can get that,
then we can screw them
548
00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,720
after election day
if necessary.
549
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,629
And this...
550
00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:48,204
This I think could finish
the destruction of McGovern.
551
00:25:48,242 --> 00:25:49,982
- Oh, yes.
552
00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:54,246
I'm just not sure the South
can survive in any event.
553
00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:55,861
The Northerners
have more stamina.
554
00:25:55,902 --> 00:25:58,082
How the hell they've
taken what they have,
555
00:25:58,121 --> 00:26:00,251
I don't know.
556
00:26:00,297 --> 00:26:02,817
- The doves should not be able
to say in October that what you
557
00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:06,385
did they would have done in '69
and saved 20,000 lives.
558
00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:08,044
- Yeah.
559
00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:09,658
Nixon's strategy worked.
560
00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:11,698
The North Vietnamese
went along
561
00:26:11,744 --> 00:26:14,144
with Kissinger's proposal,
betting correctly that once
562
00:26:14,181 --> 00:26:16,661
the Americans were gone,
the North Vietnamese
563
00:26:16,705 --> 00:26:19,485
and Viet Cong could
easily conquer South Vietnam.
564
00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,894
And so just ten days before
the 1972 election,
565
00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:25,539
Henry Kissinger called a press
conference that guaranteed
566
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:27,984
Nixon's landslide victory.
567
00:26:28,021 --> 00:26:32,501
- We believe that
peace is at hand.
568
00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:37,547
We believe that by far
the longest part of the road
569
00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,506
has been traversed.
570
00:26:39,554 --> 00:26:41,604
Two years after
America's withdrawal,
571
00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:43,603
South Vietnam collapsed.
572
00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:47,035
But in 1972, the agreement
made Nixon unbeatable.
573
00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:50,263
Nothing else mattered.
Certainly not Watergate.
574
00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:53,794
- The President leads McGovern
by 26 points in the Gallup.
575
00:26:53,829 --> 00:26:56,749
- President Nixon is well
on the way toward the predicted
576
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:58,749
landslide re-election.
577
00:26:58,791 --> 00:27:01,531
- Well, in Washington,
President Nixon's number one
578
00:27:01,576 --> 00:27:04,186
domestic affairs advisor
is John Ehrlichman,
579
00:27:04,231 --> 00:27:06,451
and David Schoumacher
is with him now.
580
00:27:06,494 --> 00:27:08,454
- Uh, Howard,
he feels too good.
581
00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:10,056
I'm gonna ask him whatever
happened to Watergate.
582
00:27:10,106 --> 00:27:12,496
- I don't know. I don't know.
583
00:27:12,543 --> 00:27:14,283
Apparently nothing.
584
00:27:14,328 --> 00:27:15,628
But while the cover-up
585
00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:17,547
had temporarily
kept the lid on,
586
00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:19,642
Watergate just
wouldn't go away.
587
00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:21,681
There had already been
rumors of payoffs
588
00:27:21,727 --> 00:27:24,247
to the Watergate burglars and
suddenly they weren't just
589
00:27:24,294 --> 00:27:26,124
rumors anymore.
590
00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:28,256
- On the 8th of December,
this plane crashed
591
00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,258
near Chicago's
Midway Airport.
592
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,300
One of those who died
in the crash was the wife
593
00:27:32,346 --> 00:27:34,166
of E. Howard Hunt.
594
00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:37,697
In Mrs. Hunt's purse,
100 hundred dollar bills
595
00:27:37,743 --> 00:27:40,443
were found and there has been
subsequent testimony
596
00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:42,314
that the cash may have
been hush money
597
00:27:42,356 --> 00:27:44,266
supplied by the Committee
to Reelect the President.
598
00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:56,889
- Do they have any reading
yet on the traceability
599
00:27:56,936 --> 00:27:59,326
of the $10,000?
- Uh, no.
600
00:27:59,373 --> 00:28:01,853
Uh, Dean spent most
of the weekend on that.
601
00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:04,637
Uh, the bills are still in the
hands of the Chicago police
602
00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:06,343
to be turned over
to Hunt today,
603
00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:08,210
so until then John
doesn't know whether
604
00:28:08,251 --> 00:28:09,911
it's traceable money or not.
605
00:28:09,949 --> 00:28:11,859
He doesn't think it is.
606
00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:13,907
- If something could
just be said.
607
00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:16,433
- The problem
is exactly that.
608
00:28:16,477 --> 00:28:19,047
Uh, if you reopen it,
you raise more questions
609
00:28:19,088 --> 00:28:20,698
than you answer and you
bring the thing back up
610
00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:22,742
to public attention.
611
00:28:22,788 --> 00:28:25,398
The thing that bothers me is
Segretti and the other stuff
612
00:28:25,442 --> 00:28:26,922
like that tends
to be tied to Watergate.
613
00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:28,526
- Well, let's face it.
614
00:28:28,576 --> 00:28:30,926
We all know who should
have handled this.
615
00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:32,670
Goddammit, it was Mitchell.
616
00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:36,759
And he wasn't handling it.
617
00:28:36,802 --> 00:28:38,672
- Now, there is
a way to do this,
618
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:41,677
and that is to dump Mitchell
on this thing and say, uh--
619
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,330
- I dump him, it would
kill him financially.
620
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:47,935
Mitchell has a serious
problem with his wife.
621
00:28:47,987 --> 00:28:49,767
He was unable to
watch the campaign,
622
00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:52,115
and as a result,
the underlings did things
623
00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:53,635
without his knowledge.
624
00:28:53,688 --> 00:28:54,908
- And that really
dumps on Magruder.
625
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:57,040
- The minute you
dump on Mitchell
626
00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,783
by saying he didn't
watch the underlings,
627
00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:02,385
the underlings are gonna
produce their diaries
628
00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:05,956
and show that Mitchell was
in 18 meetings where this was
629
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:10,355
discussed, approved,
authorized, financed.
630
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,140
Still tense
about Watergate
631
00:29:12,185 --> 00:29:14,055
but also emboldened
by Nixon's re-election,
632
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,710
the White House intensified
633
00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:17,714
its pressure on
"The Washington Post."
634
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,146
- Right after the election,
the pressure got very,
635
00:29:20,193 --> 00:29:22,113
very tough.
636
00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,721
The real threat was the
challenge to our television
637
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:27,943
station licenses which were
up for renewal in Florida.
638
00:29:27,983 --> 00:29:29,863
Almost all of them were
639
00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:32,118
obviously
politically motivated
640
00:29:32,161 --> 00:29:35,211
mostly by Committee to
Reelect the President people.
641
00:29:35,251 --> 00:29:39,131
- "A group headed by President
Nixon's Florida fundraiser
642
00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:42,908
"announced Tuesday that it will
file a rival application
643
00:29:42,955 --> 00:29:47,085
"for the license of the
television station WJXT,
644
00:29:47,133 --> 00:29:49,963
now held by a syndicate of
the Washington Post Company."
645
00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:51,655
- Isn't that too bad?
646
00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:54,052
- "Post" will spend a fortune.
647
00:29:54,096 --> 00:29:57,316
- The only thing that was
unfortunate on Watergate
648
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,750
was Segretti.
649
00:30:00,363 --> 00:30:02,893
Haldeman slipped there.
650
00:30:02,931 --> 00:30:06,721
That kind of operation
should be on the outside.
651
00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:08,461
- But despite
enormous pressure,
652
00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:10,202
Katharine Graham and
"The Washington Post"
653
00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:12,163
didn't bend an inch.
654
00:30:12,201 --> 00:30:15,861
- I was in the news room and
I got a call from the guard
655
00:30:15,901 --> 00:30:21,121
down on 15th Street that there
was a guy with a subpoena
656
00:30:21,167 --> 00:30:25,127
for me, Woodward, our notes.
657
00:30:25,171 --> 00:30:27,391
And, uh, should he
let him upstairs?
658
00:30:27,434 --> 00:30:30,484
And I said, "No,
keep him down there."
659
00:30:30,524 --> 00:30:32,664
And I called Ben Bradlee,
the editor.
660
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,270
Bradlee said,
"Give me a minute
661
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:36,310
and I'll call you
right back."
662
00:30:36,356 --> 00:30:39,226
Called back about five
minutes later and he said,
663
00:30:39,272 --> 00:30:42,012
+"All right, first you
get out of the office
664
00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:43,967
for the afternoon."
665
00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:47,276
And I talked to Katharine
and she says,
666
00:30:47,323 --> 00:30:50,943
"They're not your notes.
They're her notes."
667
00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:52,629
And if anybody's
gonna go to jail,
668
00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:54,286
it's gonna be her.
669
00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:58,470
I still--I get choked up
talking about it.
670
00:30:58,508 --> 00:31:00,338
Um...
671
00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:02,470
Nixon faced
two looming threats.
672
00:31:02,512 --> 00:31:04,252
His first problem
was the Senate,
673
00:31:04,297 --> 00:31:06,127
which was still under
Democratic control
674
00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:08,428
despite Nixon's
landslide victory.
675
00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:10,735
- The Senate tonight
voted 77 to nothing
676
00:31:10,781 --> 00:31:13,221
to establish a select
committee to investigate
677
00:31:13,262 --> 00:31:16,742
alleged political espionage in
last year's election campaign.
678
00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:19,487
That includes the Watergate
bugging case.
679
00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:21,269
The committee will be headed
by North Carolina Democrat
680
00:31:21,314 --> 00:31:23,364
Sam Ervin.
681
00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:24,623
The second
problem Nixon faced
682
00:31:24,665 --> 00:31:26,275
was the burglars trial.
683
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:28,969
- And now the criminal
trial begins
684
00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:30,977
in the rarely-used
ceremonial courtroom,
685
00:31:31,019 --> 00:31:32,799
the biggest available.
686
00:31:32,847 --> 00:31:34,717
- At least temporarily,
the burglars were under
687
00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:36,632
control through payoffs,
688
00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:38,327
and the prosecutors were
controlled by Kleindienst
689
00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:39,904
and the White House.
690
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,461
But there was one
man at the trial
691
00:31:41,508 --> 00:31:43,948
who wasn't under control:
the judge.
692
00:31:43,989 --> 00:31:47,119
Judge John J. Sirica was
a conservative Republican
693
00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:49,946
and a Nixon supporter, but
he also believed in the law
694
00:31:49,995 --> 00:31:52,815
and he was about to
become a big problem.
695
00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:56,347
- Judge Sirica, boy,
he was something.
696
00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:59,532
I think he was
a stunningly honest man.
697
00:31:59,569 --> 00:32:02,959
And he was outraged.
This isn't right.
698
00:32:03,008 --> 00:32:06,098
This isn't the way
things are done.
699
00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,841
They've crossed a line.
700
00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:10,802
- I remember talking
to Judge Sirica.
701
00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:13,711
We chatted off the record
and he said,
702
00:32:13,757 --> 00:32:16,457
"You know, I've got this
courtroom case where
703
00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:20,849
"the U.S. Attorney says
Gordon Liddy is the mastermind,
704
00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:23,935
"and I have subscription to
'The Washington Post,'
705
00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:27,545
"and I've read all of these
stories saying Magruder,
706
00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:30,987
"Mitchell, Haldeman,
Ehrlichman,
707
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,336
White House involvement
and so forth."
708
00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:35,516
He said, "The disconnect
is so great."
709
00:32:35,562 --> 00:32:38,652
- The Justice Department,
through Petersen
710
00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:42,605
and the prosecutors,
became part of the cover-up.
711
00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:45,526
They had a fair amount
of the same information
712
00:32:45,572 --> 00:32:47,052
that we were uncovering.
713
00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:49,225
We didn't know that
at the time.
714
00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:53,671
But they were ordered
to only prosecute
715
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:56,240
the Watergate
burglary itself.
716
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,018
They had the information
on Segretti.
717
00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:01,764
We didn't even know it
at the time, that they did.
718
00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:04,325
Finally at some point in there
we went to them and said,
719
00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:05,723
"Do you know this?"
720
00:33:05,766 --> 00:33:07,546
"Oh, yeah.
We know all about that."
721
00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:15,039
a federal judge today made
clear that he believes
722
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,470
the whole truth did
not emerge in the trial
723
00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:19,517
the Watergate case.
724
00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:22,222
- Sirica disclosed he's given
prosecutor Earl Silbert
725
00:33:22,261 --> 00:33:24,921
a secret list of persons,
some of them never questioned,
726
00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:27,089
who should be called
before the Grand Jury.
727
00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:30,655
Silbert later indicated
to CBS News the prosecution
728
00:33:30,704 --> 00:33:33,054
is not planning to renew
its investigation.
729
00:33:33,098 --> 00:33:35,098
After the burglars
were found guilty,
730
00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:37,583
Sirica threatened them with
long prison sentences
731
00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:39,194
unless they agreed to talk.
732
00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:41,064
This gravely endangered
the cover-up,
733
00:33:41,106 --> 00:33:43,406
as Nixon immediately
realized.
734
00:33:43,456 --> 00:33:45,456
- A minute on Watergate.
735
00:33:45,501 --> 00:33:47,331
What the hell
is the strategy now?
736
00:33:49,157 --> 00:33:52,287
The judge,
his conduct is shocking.
737
00:33:52,334 --> 00:33:55,644
What's he bucking for? An
appointment with the Democrats?
738
00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:58,645
- No, no, Sirica is,
uh--is a tough,
739
00:33:58,688 --> 00:34:00,468
hardboiled law-and-order judge.
740
00:34:00,516 --> 00:34:02,606
I know him pretty well.
741
00:34:02,649 --> 00:34:05,609
The only thing I can figure
is this case just got under
742
00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:07,962
his craw for some reason.
743
00:34:08,002 --> 00:34:11,312
- After the election,
Nixon learns that Haldeman
744
00:34:11,353 --> 00:34:14,573
and Ehrlichman know everything
they know basically through me,
745
00:34:14,617 --> 00:34:18,267
so Nixon tells Ehrlichman,
"I'm gonna have Dean
746
00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:20,617
report directly to me
on Watergate."
747
00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:24,017
- A 35-year sentence?
There were no weapons, right?
748
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:27,202
No injuries?
That's just ridiculous.
749
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,289
One of these blacks holds up
a store with a goddamn gun,
750
00:34:30,329 --> 00:34:31,979
they give him two years.
751
00:34:32,026 --> 00:34:33,896
Probation after six months.
752
00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:36,291
- And they
let him out on bond.
753
00:34:36,335 --> 00:34:39,075
Hunt made the bond.
Everybody else is in jail.
754
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,690
- What the hell do they expect?
755
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:43,120
They expect clemency
within a reasonable time?
756
00:34:43,168 --> 00:34:44,128
- I think they do.
757
00:34:45,822 --> 00:34:47,962
- And what would you
advise on that?
758
00:34:47,998 --> 00:34:49,168
- It's one of those
things we'll have
759
00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:52,087
to watch very closely.
760
00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:54,533
- You couldn't do it,
say, in six months?
761
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:56,360
- No.
762
00:34:56,398 --> 00:35:01,138
This may become so political.
- Jesus Christ.
763
00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:05,886
The main thing is the isolation
of the President from this.
764
00:35:05,929 --> 00:35:07,669
- Absolutely.
765
00:35:07,714 --> 00:35:12,984
- Because that fortunately
is totally true.
766
00:35:13,023 --> 00:35:14,423
- I know that, sir.
767
00:35:16,723 --> 00:35:18,293
- But the committee is
after the White House.
768
00:35:20,857 --> 00:35:24,727
Haldeman or Colson,
Ehrlichman.
769
00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:29,257
- Or possibly Dean.
770
00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:31,221
John Dean
was right to be worried
771
00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:33,519
because the cover-up
was starting to fall apart.
772
00:35:33,566 --> 00:35:36,346
The first to name Dean
publicly was L. Patrick Gray,
773
00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:38,695
who was forced to testify
in the Senate to be confirmed
774
00:35:38,745 --> 00:35:41,175
as permanent director
of the FBI.
775
00:35:41,226 --> 00:35:44,006
- Gray has revealed that when
the FBI was investigating
776
00:35:44,054 --> 00:35:46,544
the Watergate bugging case,
a White House lawyer,
777
00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:49,059
John Dean, sat in
on all questioning
778
00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:51,063
of White House officials.
779
00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:54,105
- Kennedy, "Did Gray object
to Dean's presence?"
780
00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:56,152
Gray, "He couldn't
remember for sure,
781
00:35:56,197 --> 00:35:57,887
"but he would have
preferred not to have
782
00:35:57,938 --> 00:35:59,848
the President's
counsel there."
783
00:35:59,896 --> 00:36:02,196
- Byrd recalling that Gray
testified that FBI agents
784
00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:05,077
asked White House counsel
John Dean if Watergate suspect
785
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,819
E. Howard Hunt had an office
in the White House,
786
00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:10,341
and that Dean said he would
have to check whether or not
787
00:36:10,385 --> 00:36:13,685
Mr. Hunt had an office there
and would ascertain that.
788
00:36:13,736 --> 00:36:17,906
Byrd asked, "When was that?"
Replied Gray, "June 22nd."
789
00:36:17,958 --> 00:36:20,308
But that, Byrd pointed out,
was three days after Dean
790
00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:21,702
had had material from
Hunt's office moved
791
00:36:21,744 --> 00:36:23,574
to his own office.
792
00:36:23,616 --> 00:36:26,576
Said Byrd, "He lied to
the agent, didn't he?"
793
00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:29,269
Gray, "I would have to say
looking back on it now,
794
00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:32,757
I would have to conclude that
that probably is correct."
795
00:36:32,799 --> 00:36:35,059
Byrd, "Yet on yesterday,
you said you would continue
796
00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:37,535
to send files to Dean
if he requests them."
797
00:36:37,586 --> 00:36:40,366
Gray, "You have got to realize
I am the head of a bureau
798
00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:42,195
"in the executive branch
of government.
799
00:36:42,243 --> 00:36:44,593
I've got to take orders
from somebody."
800
00:36:44,637 --> 00:36:47,287
- That element of ubiquity
about Mr. John Dean,
801
00:36:47,335 --> 00:36:49,335
he's everywhere at all
times in connection
802
00:36:49,381 --> 00:36:51,431
to this Watergate
investigation.
803
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:54,260
- Dean's involvement with
the FBI inquiry has added
804
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:57,299
to Democratic suspicions that
Gray was put under White House
805
00:36:57,345 --> 00:36:59,605
pressure in the Watergate
investigation.
806
00:36:59,652 --> 00:37:00,872
They want to call
the President's counsel
807
00:37:00,914 --> 00:37:03,004
as a witness.
808
00:37:03,046 --> 00:37:05,396
Even one Republican agreed
today this may be necessary
809
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,570
to assure Gray's
confirmation.
810
00:37:07,616 --> 00:37:09,656
- The White House has
already said that Dean
811
00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:11,445
will not testify.
812
00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:12,580
But the Senate threatened
813
00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:14,411
not to confirm Gray unless
814
00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:16,279
the newly-formed Senate
Watergate Committee
815
00:37:16,321 --> 00:37:17,761
was allowed
to question Dean
816
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,590
and other White House
officials.
817
00:37:19,628 --> 00:37:22,628
- If the Gray nomination
depends on a satisfactory
818
00:37:22,675 --> 00:37:25,545
outcome of the Watergate
investigation.
819
00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:28,811
Uh, that in turn presumably
depends on various White House
820
00:37:28,855 --> 00:37:31,595
staff people appearing before
your Select Committee
821
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,080
on the Watergate.
822
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,030
The White House says
they won't come.
823
00:37:34,077 --> 00:37:36,077
What are you gonna do?
824
00:37:36,123 --> 00:37:37,863
- I'd recommend to the Senate
to send the sergeant-at-arms
825
00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:39,947
of the Senate to arrest
the White House aide
826
00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:42,216
or any other witness
who refuses to appear.
827
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,570
At the same time,
the Watergate burglars
828
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:47,400
were starting to crack under
pressure from Judge Sirica,
829
00:37:47,439 --> 00:37:49,529
and they were also starting
to blackmail the White House.
830
00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:51,141
- Mr. Hunt, why did
you plead as you did?
831
00:37:51,181 --> 00:37:52,711
- Mr. Hunt'll have no comment.
832
00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:56,058
- March 19th,
one of the lawyers
833
00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:59,489
from the Re-election Committee
comes directly to my office
834
00:37:59,538 --> 00:38:01,578
and--with a message
the likes of which
835
00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:03,537
I had not received before.
836
00:38:03,585 --> 00:38:06,755
He said, "John, Howard Hunt
has a message for you."
837
00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:13,766
And it was that if he wasn't
given $122,000 yesterday,
838
00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:17,903
for all practical purposes,
he was gonna have some seamy
839
00:38:17,947 --> 00:38:22,337
things to say about what he'd
done for John Ehrlichman.
840
00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:25,477
That was clear a threat about
the Ellsberg break-in.
841
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,520
And I just realize,
this is gonna go on forever.
842
00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:30,697
It's--there's no ending.
843
00:38:30,743 --> 00:38:34,923
If we don't end this cover-up,
uh, it's only gonna get more
844
00:38:34,964 --> 00:38:38,144
complex, not less,
and there's only one person
845
00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:41,315
who can end it,
and that's Richard Nixon.
846
00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:43,892
Another Watergate
burglar, James McCord,
847
00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:45,930
was already talking
to Judge Sirica.
848
00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:48,585
And John Dean knew that
if Hunt and McCord talked,
849
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:50,370
it would be fatal for
the Nixon White House
850
00:38:50,415 --> 00:38:52,065
and for John Dean.
851
00:38:56,682 --> 00:38:58,212
On March 21,
Dean went to Nixon.
852
00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:04,392
- I think there's no doubt
about the seriousness
853
00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:06,519
of the problem.
854
00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:11,481
We have a cancer within,
close to the presidency.
855
00:39:11,523 --> 00:39:15,093
It's growing daily.
It compounds itself.
856
00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:19,095
It is basically because,
one, we're being blackmailed.
857
00:39:19,139 --> 00:39:23,009
Two, people are going to
start perjuring themselves
858
00:39:23,056 --> 00:39:26,576
very quickly
to protect other people.
859
00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:28,405
And there is no assurance--
860
00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:30,063
- That it won't bust.
861
00:39:30,106 --> 00:39:32,496
- That that won't bust.
862
00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:34,284
So let me give you
the basic facts.
863
00:39:36,286 --> 00:39:38,416
- On June 17th,
I got the word there'd been
864
00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:41,123
this break-in at the
Democratic National Committee.
865
00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:43,161
- You knew who it was.
- I knew who it was.
866
00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:44,816
So I called Liddy.
867
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,820
I said, "I wanna know
how this happened."
868
00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:50,742
He said, "Well, I was
pushed by Magruder."
869
00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:52,169
Magruder's perjured himself.
870
00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:57,663
Liddy said that if they
all got counsel instantly,
871
00:39:57,699 --> 00:40:00,829
"Well, we'll ride this out."
872
00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:02,916
Then they started
making demands.
873
00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:05,005
Attorneys fees.
874
00:40:05,054 --> 00:40:07,674
Uh, "We don't have money and
you're asking us to take this
875
00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:09,619
through the election?"
876
00:40:09,668 --> 00:40:12,668
So arrangements were made
through Mitchell, uh,
877
00:40:12,714 --> 00:40:13,764
initiating it.
878
00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:15,282
I was present.
879
00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:18,885
That these guys had
to be taken care of.
880
00:40:18,938 --> 00:40:22,718
Kalmbach was brought in.
Raised some cash.
881
00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:25,418
That's the most
troublesome thing.
882
00:40:25,466 --> 00:40:28,156
Because Bob is
involved in that.
883
00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:31,298
John is involved in that.
I am involved in that.
884
00:40:31,341 --> 00:40:34,341
Mitchell is
involved in that.
885
00:40:34,388 --> 00:40:37,648
And that is an
obstruction of justice.
886
00:40:39,611 --> 00:40:43,531
- The fact that you're
taking care of witnesses.
887
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,580
- Now, the blackmail
is continuing.
888
00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:54,633
Hunt is demanding another
120-some-thousand dollars.
889
00:40:54,669 --> 00:40:57,019
Wanted it by close
of business yesterday.
890
00:40:57,063 --> 00:40:59,893
Hunt has now made
a direct threat.
891
00:40:59,935 --> 00:41:04,325
Now, the continued
blackmail will go on.
892
00:41:05,854 --> 00:41:07,604
And it will compound
the obstruction
893
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:09,729
of justice situation.
894
00:41:09,771 --> 00:41:12,991
It'll cost money.
It's dangerous.
895
00:41:14,384 --> 00:41:16,084
People here are
not pros at this.
896
00:41:16,125 --> 00:41:18,475
This is the sort of thing
mafia people can do.
897
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,219
Washing money, we just don't
know about these things.
898
00:41:21,261 --> 00:41:23,571
We're not criminals.
- That's right.
899
00:41:23,611 --> 00:41:26,531
How much money do you need?
900
00:41:26,571 --> 00:41:30,621
- I would say a million dollars
over the next two years.
901
00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:34,318
- We could get that.
902
00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:36,451
You could get
a million dollars,
903
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:38,104
and you could
get it in cash.
904
00:41:38,147 --> 00:41:39,797
I know where it
could be gotten.
905
00:41:39,845 --> 00:41:41,455
- Uh-huh.
906
00:41:44,197 --> 00:41:47,547
What if it starts breaking
and they find a criminal case
907
00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:53,122
against a Haldeman, a Dean,
a Mitchell, an Ehrlichman?
908
00:41:54,686 --> 00:41:56,296
Some people are gonna
have to go to jail.
909
00:41:58,907 --> 00:42:00,867
- You'll go to jail?
- That's right.
910
00:42:02,824 --> 00:42:05,784
- I can't see how a legal case
can be made against you.
911
00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:07,527
- Obstruction of justice.
912
00:42:07,568 --> 00:42:11,788
- The obstruction
of justice, I feel,
913
00:42:11,833 --> 00:42:15,183
could be cut off
at the pass.
914
00:42:15,228 --> 00:42:19,488
Let us suppose that you
get the million bucks
915
00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:23,237
and get the proper way
to handle it.
916
00:42:23,279 --> 00:42:25,929
It would seem to me
that would be worthwhile.
917
00:42:30,896 --> 00:42:34,156
I was talking to John
about this situation.
918
00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:35,603
We can get the money.
919
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,209
There's no problem in that.
920
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:43,167
We can't provide the clemency.
921
00:42:43,212 --> 00:42:48,572
If you hunker down and fight,
922
00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:51,219
your view is that's
not a viable option.
923
00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:56,099
- It's a very high risk.
924
00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:59,048
- Well, John's point
is exactly right.
925
00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,618
Well, the erosion
now is going to you,
926
00:43:01,666 --> 00:43:03,486
and we've got to figure out
where to turn it off
927
00:43:03,537 --> 00:43:07,847
at the lowest cost we can but
at whatever cost it takes.
928
00:43:07,889 --> 00:43:09,889
- We cannot let
you be tarnished.
929
00:43:19,422 --> 00:43:21,992
- It isn't just Hunt.
930
00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:26,734
It's, uh, Liddy and McCord
and the Cubans.
931
00:43:26,778 --> 00:43:30,348
So Dean finally goes running
to Mitchell and said,
932
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:31,610
"Uh, I've got to
have some money."
933
00:43:33,306 --> 00:43:36,396
Kalmbach can't do it
anymore and--and shouldn't.
934
00:43:36,439 --> 00:43:37,959
- Dangerous things are...
935
00:43:39,704 --> 00:43:42,014
raising the money.
936
00:43:42,054 --> 00:43:43,974
- You can't have a fundraising
drive and give everybody
937
00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:46,012
certificates and gold pens.
938
00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,408
- The obstruction of justice.
939
00:43:50,976 --> 00:43:52,716
- See, I hadn't really
thought of that.
940
00:43:56,546 --> 00:43:58,456
- We're all in it.
941
00:44:00,942 --> 00:44:03,862
I think up to this point,
942
00:44:03,902 --> 00:44:06,082
we had certain choices.
943
00:44:10,386 --> 00:44:11,736
But that's gone.
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