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we're on the set of lisa ann's
"big titted cougars."
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Whew. Shocker that I would
be in a cougar movie.
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what's the difference with
a cougar and a milf?
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My take is,
a cougar and a milf:
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Milf is supposed to be
a "mom that I'd like to fuck."
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So I think that would
make you a mom, right?
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I think a cougar is
the same older seductress,
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But with no kids.
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So I'm glad to say
I'm a cougar,
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Or I'm a milf with no kids,
whatever you prefer.
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I feel like if you can't
succeed in porn,
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You kind of can't
succeed anywhere.
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'cause it's really
not that difficult.
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It's a skill we all have.
You're fucking for a living.
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People are like,
"how are you the best?"
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Like, um, "I showed up
on time every time."
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It's pretty hard
to fail out of porn,
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But it seems like
everybody does it.
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My last goal
in my retirement letter
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Was to write this book,
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And it'll be
one year on Tuesday.
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So I did reach
all of my goals.
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This is it.
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This is so exciting.
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Whoa. Okay.
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I don't want to hurt anything.
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I'm gonna open it
very carefully.
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Now, everyone, this is
so fucking dope.
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Oh, look.
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Oh!
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My first two years
I was under contract
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With a company called
metro home video.
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And being under contract
was an ideal situation for me
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Because I wanted
to feature dance.
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Back then, when you were
the contract star,
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They made these glamorous
posters and fliers for you,
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And they gave you
as many as you wanted
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To go out on the road
and use as marketing materials.
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You know, in the '90's
when I started shooting,
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I was unaware
that all of the movies
a contract girl shoots
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Are sold to cable,
and cable was still
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A very big place where
these companies made money.
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Cable didn't buy interracial.
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So I was unable
to do interracial
when I was under contract.
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People were telling me
all day long, like,
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"if you do interracial,
it's going to ruin your career.
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"no one's going to hire you
as a feature dancer.
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You're going
to make less money."
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I don't really think we should
be choosing color of skin
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Because we should be showing
everyone the sexual experiences
that we are having,
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And, of course, if there's
couples that are interracial,
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They might want
to watch interracial porn.
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And for you to not put that
out for them, and they're
a fan of yours,
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Now they have
an opinion to form.
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It's a mainly-- it's, of course,
a mainly white business,
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All the company owners
and the agents,
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And they all are
secretly racist.
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So they all tell these girls
not to do this.
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And then I'm the one
telling these girls,
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"I've done more interracial than
regular scenes, and I'm good."
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But it's a fear factor
for a young girl,
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And of course, when you look up
to your agent, he's been
teaching you things,
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You're gonna
believe what he says.
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Then when they finally do
do interracial,
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When they're not getting enough
work doing other things,
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They get paid more money for it.
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Going to the post office myself.
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'cause I want you all
to get your books.
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And I want you to enjoy them.
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And I want to hear
book reports, essays.
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So, if you want to put
the boxes just down,
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And I'll put 'em in.
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I'll just have you photograph
me putting 'em in here.
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Oh, shit. I just took a photo.
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--of nothing.
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How many do you think
I can put in at a time?
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More than that.
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Don't jam it up.
Don't jam it up.
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These boxes took some getting
used to making, you know
what I mean?
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Like, the first ten, there's
so much tape on them.
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Then I got a system going,
you know.
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What does that mean?
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Is it stuck?
Is it full?
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What do we do now?
Is there another one?
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Yeah, the "paylin" movie
pretty much single-handedly
changed my entire life.
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So I have fans coming in
not because they're porn fans,
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Just 'cause they
thought that was hysterical.
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I have people that, like,
walk up to me now places,
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And they're like, "right on,"
you know, "that was funny."
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So it's just--
it broke a barrier for me.
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did you expect it
when you first shot it?
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Did you think
it was gonna go...
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That big? No.
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2008 I was on set
shooting a movie,
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And during my downtime
I was checking my messages,
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And it was drew from hustler,
and drew said, "hey,
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"we want to shoot a movie
about sarah palin,
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And we want to call it
"nailin' paylin."
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"who's nailin' paylin?"
which I thought was
a great name.
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We want to use you,
you're perfect for it.
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This is gonna kind of
be a big deal.
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Privyet.
We hate to trouble you,
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But I'm afraid
we have a flat tire.
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We were wondering
if we could use your phone
to call the kremlin.
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Oh, I'm sorry, fellas,
I don't speak russian.
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Kremlin. It means...
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-How you say?
-Tow truck.
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Well, in the spirit
of foreign relations,
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I'm sure there's no harm in me
letting the two of you in.
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Come on in.
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You know, the business
lashed out at me.
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Girls thought
I stole that scene
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Because someone else got
the phone call at my agency,
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But I insisted I did it.
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It was really weird
how when you get popular,
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People who were
nice to you last week
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Just, like, venomously hate you
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And are talking about you
behind your back.
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And at that point I realized,
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"okay, well,
I'm gonna have this,
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"this is gonna keep me
incredibly busy.
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"fuck all these people.
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"I'm gonna be able
to charge more money.
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"they already hate me.
I know my value.
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I know what I'm selling.
I know what I'm doing."
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When I went to strip clubs,
I now had
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An older audience,
a younger audience,
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A political audience,
a gay audience,
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Male audience, female audience.
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My range was so incredible,
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People walked up to me
everywhere and they're like,
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"it's that sarah palin girl.
It's that sarah palin girl."
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It was like, "this is it.
This next four or five years
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Could set up the rest
of my fucking life."
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Like, it's go time.
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We're gonna be on the road
every weekend.
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We're gonna do
47 weekends a year.
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We're gonna do
crazy personal appearances.
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We're gonna do tons of pr.
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Everyone was offering me
these opportunities, you know?
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I remember getting invited
to go to a couple good nude
movie premieres,
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Getting to go to some events.
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Those are great
photo opportunities for me.
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And I knew that that is
the way to stay relevant,
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To brand yourself
to different fans,
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And to get yourself going
out there in a social scene,
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In a different light
with your clothes on.
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The more gigs I could do
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Where it wasn't just about me
fucking or being naked,
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The more I could
cross-pollinate
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And start to get into what was
gonna be my reality one day,
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Being dressed.
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All these shows are on sirius,
so sirius will hit me up,
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And one of the shows
will hit me up and say,
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"hey, so and so's coming
through. Can you make it over?"
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'cause they know
I'm that close.
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So I just get a shower,
get dressed and go over.
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These are opportunities for me
that are priceless, right?
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And everyone just treats me
like, I'm part of the family
'cause I work there,
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And I have my own name badges,
and they don't have to worry
about security at all.
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And I feel like
this little job
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Has become the biggest
opportunity of my life.
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Okay. I'm gonna put this
plan in motion.
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It's gonna be a one-year plan.
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I'm gonna produce
this many movies
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So I have this much content
for my web site once I retire.
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I was starting
to plant the seeds
that I wanted a sports show.
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I was already working for sirius
at that time out here in la
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Doing a very fun, sexy show
called "stripper town."
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And by September 9th, 2013,
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I started my very
first show with sirius.
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"lisa ann does fantasy." it was
my very first sports show.
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You know, I said
to my girlfriend today, I was
explaining this to her,
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And I said, "you know,
you have kids and I don't.
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It's like being a proud parent.
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"when you're watching fantasy
and one of your players does
what you expected,
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"or even more
than you expected,
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You feel like a proud parent."
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if a girl wants to get
into the adult business now,
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What do you tell her?
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Um, I'd talk with her
about why.
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You know, is she getting into
the business 'cause she wants
to explore herself sexually?
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She feels that she is more
unique than someone else?
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Is she just
a paycheck performer?
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If so, what is she looking
to do, big picture?
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Because some girls think,
you know,
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"I'm gonna work for a year
or two and make some money
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And put it aside and then
I'll do something else."
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And I'm like, "yeah, you're not
doing something else.
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You're gonna have at any
other job, someone's gonna
know what you've done."
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You have to be done with
the business before the business
is done with you.
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And, to many people,
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I've seen the business
be done with them
before they were ready,
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And it's devastating.
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Since I retired,
I made a promise
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That I would read
at least one book a week.
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And I feel like my brain
was starting to go to mush
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Because it was so easy to be
the most successful porn star
in the business
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Because all I had to do
was follow some really
basic instructions.
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I don't think I could ever
walk away from being
lisa ann the porn star.
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I don't think there's a country
that I could move to
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Where it would be possible.
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I have to accept
that what I put out there,
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And the amount of years
that I put it out there,
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And the willingness
that I put it out there,
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There's something to accept
in return for the security
that I've given myself,
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The way that I've been able
to live, the adventures
that I've had.
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The sidebar is, sure,
everyone knows who I am,
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And everyone feels
comfortable to approach me.
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You gotta understand something.
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There's a comfort when a guy
sees me that's much different
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Than when he sees a football
player or basketball player.
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He has masturbated to me.
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When he looks at me,
and we make eye contact,
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And that twinkle happens,
and he remembers
all those moments,
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It's a feeling,
it's an adrenaline rush,
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It's a thing, right?
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I have to be so aware
that I put it out there.
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Who would I be to say,
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"no, I don't want any of you
to talk about this anymore.
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I want this to go away.
I'm no longer her."
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I'm still her.
I was naked.
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There's no shield
I was wearing that
covered me from being me.
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And I used my real name,
so, you know.
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I am in porn, yes,
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But I'm also in
the transgender industry,
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Which is a very small niche.
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So in order for one to be able
to excel and have an exit plan,
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You have to produce,
you have to direct.
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You have to take control
of your own brand
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And be able to dictate
your own future.
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So, with that said,
that's why I've worked so hard
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To get these accolades
and be able to brand myself
234
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As a top performer.
235
00:11:43,138 --> 00:11:48,006
And eventually
be able to develop
my own modeling agency,
236
00:11:48,008 --> 00:11:50,842
And get in and get out, right?
237
00:11:50,844 --> 00:11:53,110
And have a family of my own.
238
00:11:53,112 --> 00:11:54,744
So, I'm 25 now,
239
00:11:54,746 --> 00:11:56,378
So I got a couple
more years to go
240
00:11:56,380 --> 00:11:59,680
Before I definitely want
to have children of my own.
241
00:12:12,725 --> 00:12:15,193
if I had my life to live over...
242
00:12:15,195 --> 00:12:16,260
it's out of the question.
243
00:12:16,262 --> 00:12:17,694
Oh, I know.
244
00:12:17,696 --> 00:12:20,229
But I'm just saying, if I did
have my life to live over--
245
00:12:20,231 --> 00:12:22,297
What would you do?
246
00:12:22,299 --> 00:12:25,733
I would live a life filled...
247
00:12:25,735 --> 00:12:28,168
Engulfed...
248
00:12:28,170 --> 00:12:30,570
Consumed...
249
00:12:30,572 --> 00:12:32,138
By lust.
250
00:12:32,140 --> 00:12:34,306
-You would?
-Yes.
251
00:12:34,308 --> 00:12:36,708
Engulfed?
252
00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:38,109
Consumed.
253
00:12:38,111 --> 00:12:39,677
With lust?
254
00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:40,811
Yes.
255
00:12:42,013 --> 00:12:43,413
What the hell, why not?
256
00:12:43,415 --> 00:12:46,616
There's little enough
to do around here.
It'll break the monotony.
257
00:12:46,618 --> 00:12:47,516
Oh, can I?
258
00:12:47,518 --> 00:12:48,850
Just for a short time.
259
00:12:48,852 --> 00:12:50,051
Agreed.
260
00:12:50,053 --> 00:12:51,485
I'll be watching you.
261
00:12:51,487 --> 00:12:53,119
As soon as I feel
that you've had enough,
262
00:12:53,121 --> 00:12:54,854
I'll call you back,
and no nonsense.
263
00:12:54,856 --> 00:12:55,955
Oh, agreed.
264
00:12:55,957 --> 00:12:58,123
When can I start?
265
00:12:59,258 --> 00:13:00,691
Now.
266
00:13:01,926 --> 00:13:04,627
Just walk through that door.
267
00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,809
I was ready for anything
by the time I went to new york.
268
00:13:24,713 --> 00:13:28,649
I signed on to do the commissary
for "devil in miss jones."
269
00:13:28,651 --> 00:13:31,084
So when I went up there to get
the money to buy the food,
270
00:13:31,086 --> 00:13:35,287
Jerry says,
"I got a guy coming in to read
for the devil in this film.
271
00:13:35,289 --> 00:13:37,555
"would you mind
reading opposite him?
272
00:13:37,557 --> 00:13:39,356
"have you ever had
any acting experience?"
273
00:13:39,358 --> 00:13:41,324
I said, "oh, yes."
I was an actress.
274
00:13:41,326 --> 00:13:43,059
"I'm an actress."
275
00:13:43,061 --> 00:13:44,994
And he said, "would you mind
reading with him?"
276
00:13:44,996 --> 00:13:47,196
"of course not."
so I sat down,
we read the scene.
277
00:13:47,198 --> 00:13:49,064
And I'm chewing up the script,
278
00:13:49,066 --> 00:13:51,399
You know, I'm having
a great time with this.
279
00:13:51,401 --> 00:13:53,167
And after the guy leaves,
280
00:13:53,169 --> 00:13:54,301
He leans over,
he said,
281
00:13:54,303 --> 00:13:56,970
"would you like
to play the role?"
282
00:13:56,972 --> 00:14:03,209
A lead role in a real movie?
Well, I guess so.
283
00:14:03,211 --> 00:14:05,744
I said, "can I cook too?"
he said, "yeah."
284
00:14:05,746 --> 00:14:07,545
He said, "I'll pay you
100 a day for acting,
285
00:14:07,547 --> 00:14:09,079
And 45 a day to cook."
286
00:14:09,081 --> 00:14:12,449
That was a killing for us
in those days, let me tell you.
287
00:14:12,451 --> 00:14:16,186
So we went toddling out
to some place in new jersey.
288
00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:18,721
And so help me, your honor,
I think it was new jersey.
289
00:14:18,723 --> 00:14:22,091
It could have been new york.
I have no idea where it was.
290
00:14:22,093 --> 00:14:26,795
It was a big old deserted farm,
with a big old barn.
291
00:14:26,797 --> 00:14:30,832
And they moved the film
equipment into the barn,
292
00:14:30,834 --> 00:14:33,467
And we lived in the barn,
and we shot in the barn,
293
00:14:33,469 --> 00:14:35,602
And we got in the cars
and we went home.
294
00:14:35,604 --> 00:14:38,938
And that's how I did
"the devil in miss jones."
295
00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:43,942
I have no idea why
"the devil in miss jones,"
296
00:14:43,944 --> 00:14:48,312
A fuck film, let's face it,
a porno, a pornographic film,
297
00:14:48,314 --> 00:14:50,514
Resonated as it did
298
00:14:50,516 --> 00:14:55,084
With such a great range of
american society of that time.
299
00:14:55,086 --> 00:14:57,920
But for some reason, boy,
it just splashed over
300
00:14:57,922 --> 00:15:03,524
Into something that judith crist
dubbed "porn chic."
301
00:15:03,526 --> 00:15:05,659
If you touch me, I can get off.
302
00:15:05,661 --> 00:15:08,395
We'll get off together.
303
00:15:08,397 --> 00:15:12,031
If you just...
Just put your cock in me.
304
00:15:12,033 --> 00:15:15,734
Would you like to put
your cock in me?
Then we can get off.
305
00:15:15,736 --> 00:15:19,904
people were going as couples
306
00:15:19,906 --> 00:15:23,140
To see hardcore
pornographic films,
307
00:15:23,142 --> 00:15:24,474
To see sex films.
308
00:15:26,143 --> 00:15:28,511
I mean, nice couples.
309
00:15:28,513 --> 00:15:31,747
At the time, I had no idea
that anyone I knew,
310
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:34,116
Much less anyone that
I was related to
311
00:15:34,118 --> 00:15:35,984
Would ever see this film.
312
00:15:37,052 --> 00:15:39,386
And, um, they did.
313
00:15:40,589 --> 00:15:42,922
And I had to say,
"yeah, that was me."
314
00:15:42,924 --> 00:15:46,392
"yes, brother dear,
that was your sister."
315
00:15:46,394 --> 00:15:50,095
It was a moment of truth
in my life.
316
00:15:52,498 --> 00:15:55,233
And I said,
"how's mom taking it?"
317
00:15:55,235 --> 00:15:56,934
And he said,
"well, you know mom.
318
00:15:56,936 --> 00:16:00,070
She rolls with any punch
that comes her way,"
319
00:16:00,072 --> 00:16:01,971
And she did, you know.
320
00:16:03,740 --> 00:16:09,811
Uh, she never said
"I forgive you."
321
00:16:09,813 --> 00:16:15,182
But she almost said,
"I understand" before she died.
322
00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:20,319
I didn't exactly
exit the business.
323
00:16:20,321 --> 00:16:22,220
The business
kind of exited me.
324
00:16:22,222 --> 00:16:26,290
Every film I made was the last
film I was ever gonna do.
325
00:16:26,292 --> 00:16:28,158
I never sought out the films.
326
00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,427
People would call me and ask me
if I would work, if I was busy.
327
00:16:31,429 --> 00:16:32,928
And I usually would say,
328
00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:36,831
"well, I don't really want to,
but okay, one more."
329
00:16:36,833 --> 00:16:41,434
So I got this very good job,
and it was a nine-to-five job
330
00:16:41,436 --> 00:16:42,668
And took up my time.
331
00:16:42,670 --> 00:16:45,437
Now and then I would
get a call to do a film,
332
00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:49,040
And I would take
a week's vacation
333
00:16:49,042 --> 00:16:50,841
And run off and do a film.
334
00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:54,011
And one day, my boss
called me in and said,
335
00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:57,680
"are you going off
to do one of those films?"
336
00:16:57,682 --> 00:17:00,115
And I said, "well, yeah."
337
00:17:00,117 --> 00:17:02,650
He said, "it's been brought
to my attention
338
00:17:02,652 --> 00:17:06,553
"that some of the board
of directors are aware
339
00:17:06,555 --> 00:17:08,555
That you have done
some of these films."
340
00:17:08,557 --> 00:17:12,058
And I said, "this is
the last one, I promise."
341
00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:14,860
He said, "oh, okay.
I'll tell them that."
342
00:17:14,862 --> 00:17:18,163
And it was.
343
00:17:18,165 --> 00:17:21,332
I don't know what
today's adult films are.
344
00:17:21,334 --> 00:17:24,568
I presume
it's all on the web.
345
00:17:24,570 --> 00:17:29,138
Or on video tape
or cassettes or some media.
346
00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:33,675
I doubt if there are
what we used to call
the "stroke houses"
347
00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:37,145
Around anymore.
348
00:17:37,147 --> 00:17:39,380
You know, when you bought
the popcorn box
349
00:17:39,382 --> 00:17:42,616
And took the bottom out
and dumped the popcorn.
350
00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,753
Or you brought a top hat.
351
00:17:49,157 --> 00:17:52,725
By and large,
it's been a delightful trip.
352
00:17:52,727 --> 00:17:55,728
I now and then
get the feeling,
353
00:17:55,730 --> 00:17:59,464
Yeah, there's probably a big
waterfall somewhere
354
00:17:59,466 --> 00:18:00,765
There in the distance.
355
00:18:00,767 --> 00:18:03,434
I can kind of hear it
rumbling now and then,
356
00:18:03,436 --> 00:18:06,603
But what am I gonna
do about it?
357
00:18:06,605 --> 00:18:09,005
The things I am
most grateful for
358
00:18:09,007 --> 00:18:11,640
Are having met
the love of my life--
359
00:18:11,642 --> 00:18:14,075
Not everybody gets to do that--
360
00:18:14,077 --> 00:18:16,677
And having not only met
the love of my life,
361
00:18:16,679 --> 00:18:19,880
Having him feel
the same way about me,
362
00:18:19,882 --> 00:18:22,782
So that we could
build a life together
363
00:18:22,784 --> 00:18:25,885
In this absolutely
delightful little paradise
364
00:18:25,887 --> 00:18:27,786
That we get to call home,
365
00:18:27,788 --> 00:18:30,922
Here under the glorious
hollywood sign.
366
00:18:35,827 --> 00:18:38,829
In my world-- I'm also
a psychic reader for a living--
367
00:18:38,831 --> 00:18:41,464
So, we don't have time lines
368
00:18:41,466 --> 00:18:44,133
Because time is infinite
in my world.
369
00:18:44,135 --> 00:18:46,502
So there's no exit or entrance.
370
00:18:46,504 --> 00:18:50,472
It's just all a big giant
conglomeration of joy and love.
371
00:18:50,474 --> 00:18:52,707
So, no, I don't have
an answer to that question.
372
00:18:52,709 --> 00:18:56,210
But I plan to dance, perform,
373
00:18:56,212 --> 00:18:59,179
Dance with snakes and play,
until I feel
374
00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,648
That my heart tells me
to do something different.
375
00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:03,783
So, it could be infinite,
376
00:19:03,785 --> 00:19:05,484
It could be tomorrow,
it could be yesterday,
377
00:19:05,486 --> 00:19:07,352
It could be
five years from now,
378
00:19:07,354 --> 00:19:09,087
It could be a month.
379
00:19:12,624 --> 00:19:15,926
Oh, see? Darren james.
380
00:19:15,928 --> 00:19:18,028
Right now we have
a beautiful lady.
381
00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:20,163
Back up a little bit
and take a look at her.
382
00:19:20,165 --> 00:19:21,531
Look at this body.
383
00:19:21,533 --> 00:19:23,199
What's your name?
384
00:19:23,201 --> 00:19:25,301
-Lara.
-Lara.
385
00:19:25,303 --> 00:19:27,603
What's your age?
386
00:19:27,605 --> 00:19:29,371
Um, 19?
387
00:19:29,373 --> 00:19:31,473
19. I like that.
388
00:19:49,658 --> 00:19:52,993
and hiv scare has reportedly
shut down the porn industry
389
00:19:52,995 --> 00:19:54,894
After darren james
contracted the virus
390
00:19:54,896 --> 00:19:57,129
After returning to the us,
after filming in brazil.
391
00:19:57,131 --> 00:19:58,964
it was discovered
that three actresses
392
00:19:58,966 --> 00:20:01,232
Who had worked with james
shortly after his return
393
00:20:01,234 --> 00:20:02,366
To the United States
394
00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:06,403
a week later, he turned up
at a san diego county hospital
395
00:20:06,405 --> 00:20:08,371
Recovering from
an apparent suicide attempt.
396
00:20:08,373 --> 00:20:10,139
he's a middle-aged
black porn actor
397
00:20:10,141 --> 00:20:11,907
Who wanted to be a policeman.
398
00:20:16,045 --> 00:20:19,514
this is not going to be
a tragedy for me.
399
00:20:19,516 --> 00:20:21,516
It's a beginning.
400
00:20:26,021 --> 00:20:27,855
You got a reason to be here.
401
00:20:27,857 --> 00:20:29,823
You're gonna have
to figure that out.
402
00:20:33,327 --> 00:20:36,228
I guess I was too old
and ugly to die,
403
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:41,466
But I've survived,
and I came back.
404
00:21:00,884 --> 00:21:02,517
I'm from detroit.
405
00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:07,120
And I started years ago,
the United States navy, 1982.
406
00:21:07,122 --> 00:21:10,923
Being a seabee, it taught me
a lot about... Team,
407
00:21:10,925 --> 00:21:12,424
Just being a team.
408
00:21:12,426 --> 00:21:15,059
Tours all over the world.
409
00:21:15,061 --> 00:21:17,728
And when I was in puerto rico,
I met some navy seals
410
00:21:17,730 --> 00:21:20,764
At the time,
'cause we had a training camp
right next to those guys.
411
00:21:20,766 --> 00:21:23,399
And those guys
just broke me in.
412
00:21:23,401 --> 00:21:26,568
I mean, they educated me
about myself, my life.
413
00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:28,436
It was like a brotherhood.
414
00:21:28,438 --> 00:21:30,371
And it taught me something.
415
00:21:30,373 --> 00:21:34,541
Far as where I'm at now,
it's like...
416
00:21:34,543 --> 00:21:39,778
I can't leave my brothers
that were in the porn
industry behind.
417
00:21:39,780 --> 00:21:42,547
That's why I speak about,
you know,
418
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:44,849
Being with the condoms issue
and everything else.
419
00:21:44,851 --> 00:21:49,052
And just trying my best
to back these guys up.
420
00:21:49,054 --> 00:21:51,954
Congratulations, recruit.
421
00:21:52,755 --> 00:21:54,188
-Good job.
-Thank you, sir.
422
00:21:54,989 --> 00:21:56,689
Congratulations, recruit.
423
00:21:56,691 --> 00:21:57,823
Thank you.
424
00:21:57,825 --> 00:21:59,758
Good job.
Mmm.
425
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,627
Then, when you get on
the outside, it's like,
"wait a minute.
426
00:22:02,629 --> 00:22:04,862
"this was reality.
I need a job."
427
00:22:04,864 --> 00:22:06,663
I fell into the porn industry
428
00:22:06,665 --> 00:22:09,198
And it was just
one gig after another.
429
00:22:13,670 --> 00:22:16,303
Around the time
when I was working,
430
00:22:16,305 --> 00:22:18,972
I couldn't recall
if I got it there.
431
00:22:18,974 --> 00:22:21,407
I couldn't even tell you if
I got it before I left.
432
00:22:21,409 --> 00:22:23,375
We just don't know
'cause I worked so much
433
00:22:23,377 --> 00:22:26,511
At that period of time
when I was infected.
434
00:22:26,513 --> 00:22:30,981
But I remember I wasn't feeling
as hot when I got to brazil
435
00:22:30,983 --> 00:22:33,483
At this one particular
time I was working.
436
00:22:33,485 --> 00:22:35,885
We were doing a huge orgy.
437
00:22:35,887 --> 00:22:38,554
It was probably my
second orgy when I got there.
438
00:22:38,556 --> 00:22:40,088
I was so tired and exhausted.
439
00:22:40,090 --> 00:22:42,256
I thought it was
just I was overworked.
440
00:22:43,157 --> 00:22:44,790
Learning how this virus works,
441
00:22:44,792 --> 00:22:47,993
That's probably at the time
where I was probably infected
442
00:22:47,995 --> 00:22:49,461
And didn't even know.
443
00:22:49,463 --> 00:22:51,796
It's hard to conclude
and come to a conclusion
444
00:22:51,798 --> 00:22:53,898
Where I got it.
That's the problem.
445
00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:55,733
That's the gray area.
446
00:22:55,735 --> 00:22:57,301
I just-- you know,
if I had a condom,
447
00:22:57,303 --> 00:22:59,569
This probably
wouldn't have happened.
448
00:22:59,571 --> 00:23:02,071
Period. This probably
wouldn't have happened.
449
00:23:06,042 --> 00:23:08,410
You know, I'm not thinking
this stuff would ever happen.
450
00:23:08,412 --> 00:23:10,945
The porn industry, this would
never-- I would never get this.
451
00:23:10,947 --> 00:23:13,547
But the way my
career ended was
452
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:15,615
My family was in the church.
453
00:23:17,017 --> 00:23:19,151
I get diagnosed, same time,
454
00:23:19,153 --> 00:23:21,153
It's all over
the news in detroit.
455
00:23:22,121 --> 00:23:24,322
So people
finding out right there.
456
00:23:25,624 --> 00:23:27,191
But for some reason,
457
00:23:27,193 --> 00:23:28,892
The church
was smart enough--
458
00:23:28,894 --> 00:23:30,326
I haven't seen these
people in years--
459
00:23:30,328 --> 00:23:32,494
Now keep in mind,
I was gone for years.
460
00:23:32,496 --> 00:23:34,529
I've been gone from home,
461
00:23:34,531 --> 00:23:38,065
And these people
protected me even then.
462
00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:40,933
They stood up for me
even then.
463
00:23:40,935 --> 00:23:43,034
I didn't know
till I heard later.
464
00:23:45,871 --> 00:23:48,072
They stood up by me even then.
465
00:23:54,212 --> 00:23:57,647
If it wasn't for the individuals
I've met in my past,
466
00:23:57,649 --> 00:24:00,583
I still had that memory, like,
all these navy seals that I met
467
00:24:00,585 --> 00:24:03,052
Or military guys that I met
that did martial arts.
468
00:24:03,054 --> 00:24:05,087
They groomed me.
I just brought that back.
469
00:24:05,089 --> 00:24:07,956
Brought that back home
and just got off my ass.
470
00:24:07,958 --> 00:24:10,158
Got off the couch one day.
Get back in the gym.
471
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,994
'cause, you know, I can't
help nobody if I ain't
helping myself.
472
00:24:12,996 --> 00:24:16,130
'cause being a public speaker,
you gotta be able to back up
what you're preaching.
473
00:24:16,132 --> 00:24:19,133
You know, they don't want
to look at somebody
that's all falling apart,
474
00:24:19,135 --> 00:24:21,969
Typical stigma
of being a positive.
475
00:24:21,971 --> 00:24:24,071
"oh, this guy looks sickly."
fuck that.
476
00:24:24,073 --> 00:24:25,739
You know, I gotta do it, man.
477
00:24:25,741 --> 00:24:27,540
You gotta get out
and do something.
478
00:24:27,542 --> 00:24:29,108
You know? And keep giving.
479
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:32,277
As much as I can
while I still got time
on the clock.
480
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:35,213
And I got a lot more work
to do. You know?
481
00:24:35,215 --> 00:24:36,714
Who knows?
Maybe somebody will see me,
482
00:24:36,716 --> 00:24:39,049
And just do the same to help
somebody else, that's all.
483
00:24:39,051 --> 00:24:41,651
-Help, that bar?
-Yup.
484
00:24:41,653 --> 00:24:44,453
Rich piano showed me that.
Just do the quick shit.
485
00:24:45,722 --> 00:24:47,922
a lot of times when
you've diagnosed,
486
00:24:47,924 --> 00:24:49,256
People, you know,
we get in denial.
487
00:24:49,258 --> 00:24:50,857
I've been there.
You don't wanna do nothing.
488
00:24:50,859 --> 00:24:52,325
Ah, just give up.
You can't.
489
00:24:52,327 --> 00:24:56,729
Just like cancer, any kind
of illness that you get,
490
00:24:56,731 --> 00:24:58,197
Man, you gotta get up
and move on.
491
00:24:58,199 --> 00:25:01,733
You get better by doing
something for yourself,
you know?
492
00:25:01,735 --> 00:25:05,103
I'll tell anybody else,
we all survivors
when it comes to this.
493
00:25:05,105 --> 00:25:09,073
You know, this is not
gonna be a tragedy for me.
494
00:25:09,075 --> 00:25:10,374
It's a beginning.
495
00:25:12,944 --> 00:25:17,381
I regret that
I didn't get out at the time
when I was supposed to.
496
00:25:17,383 --> 00:25:19,549
'cause there was one period
I did get out. I quit.
497
00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:22,652
I just didn't want to do it.
You know, my morals kicked in.
498
00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:27,255
And then somebody called me back
with a decent budget.
499
00:25:27,257 --> 00:25:29,490
And we could probably
get you in a contract.
500
00:25:29,492 --> 00:25:30,924
I jumped on it.
501
00:25:31,959 --> 00:25:33,759
I should have got out.
502
00:25:33,761 --> 00:25:37,796
That's what I regret.
I didn't make that move.
503
00:25:37,798 --> 00:25:40,865
Far as anything else, I miss
the travels and the people.
504
00:25:40,867 --> 00:25:42,600
Behind the scenes, the crew.
505
00:25:42,602 --> 00:25:45,569
You know, I met some really
interesting people that
opened my eyes.
506
00:25:45,571 --> 00:25:47,537
There is good people
in the industry.
507
00:25:47,539 --> 00:25:49,005
There is a lot
of good people.
508
00:25:49,007 --> 00:25:51,040
But you can't talk, you know?
509
00:25:51,042 --> 00:25:52,641
You go against
the grain, you're out.
510
00:25:52,643 --> 00:25:56,077
That was their income.
Like anybody else, we're
all making a living.
511
00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,113
But being able to stand up
against that,
512
00:26:00,115 --> 00:26:02,248
The first one in history
to stand up against...
513
00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:05,150
I think to go so hardcore
against the industry,
514
00:26:05,152 --> 00:26:08,786
To show that they had some
things that were wrong
and then address it...
515
00:26:10,188 --> 00:26:11,821
I don't regret that.
516
00:26:11,823 --> 00:26:16,324
Because you can't save
everybody, but I can try.
517
00:26:16,326 --> 00:26:18,793
They're not gonna like it,
but I'll keep trying.
518
00:26:26,468 --> 00:26:28,769
In california, there is
a push right now,
519
00:26:28,771 --> 00:26:30,403
Primarily from one organization,
520
00:26:30,405 --> 00:26:33,572
To try and force performers
to wear condoms
521
00:26:33,574 --> 00:26:36,308
Amongst other safety gear,
at all times.
522
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:38,209
And the truth of the matter is
523
00:26:38,211 --> 00:26:40,511
There are negative
effects of condoms.
524
00:26:40,513 --> 00:26:42,279
But we're not allowed
to talk about them
525
00:26:42,281 --> 00:26:45,548
Because it's so difficult
to get people to use them
in the first place.
526
00:26:45,550 --> 00:26:48,284
You can imagine that's not
a very popular topic.
527
00:26:48,286 --> 00:26:51,620
The truth of the matter is
when people use condoms,
528
00:26:51,622 --> 00:26:53,388
As compared
to not using condoms,
529
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:56,124
It's been tested with people
within the same partner,
530
00:26:56,126 --> 00:26:58,626
That condom use does
increase the presence
531
00:26:58,628 --> 00:27:01,261
Of three different types
of bacteria, at least,
in the vagina,
532
00:27:01,263 --> 00:27:04,030
And also causes erythema,
or a reddening in the vulva,
533
00:27:04,032 --> 00:27:06,465
Which is consistent
with more tearing.
534
00:27:06,467 --> 00:27:09,234
So if the performers
are testing,
535
00:27:09,236 --> 00:27:11,102
And they know
that they're clean,
536
00:27:11,104 --> 00:27:12,670
By using condoms,
they're probably
537
00:27:12,672 --> 00:27:14,905
Increasing their risk
of bacterial infection.
538
00:27:14,907 --> 00:27:18,608
So they actually have a really
good ground to argue against
539
00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:21,010
The use of condoms,
especially in the context,
540
00:27:21,012 --> 00:27:22,478
In the way that
they're using them.
541
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,547
Because there is some associated
increased risk with it.
542
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:28,016
However, you can
imagine the knee-jerk
543
00:27:28,018 --> 00:27:29,951
To that kind of response.
544
00:27:29,953 --> 00:27:33,821
Especially, you know, I work
with a lot of hiv researchers.
545
00:27:33,823 --> 00:27:36,123
We do not want
to have this conversation.
546
00:27:36,125 --> 00:27:40,493
Just because it's so difficult
to get people who aren't being
tested like the performers are
547
00:27:40,495 --> 00:27:42,328
To use condoms
in the first place.
548
00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:44,129
We would hate
to discourage their use
549
00:27:44,131 --> 00:27:45,964
Amongst those type of folks.
550
00:27:45,966 --> 00:27:47,832
But I think amongst performers,
551
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:50,901
It's probably very reasonable
to let them make that decision.
552
00:28:02,646 --> 00:28:07,149
This painting is the quickest
painting I've ever done.
553
00:28:07,151 --> 00:28:08,917
My boyfriend and I were--
554
00:28:08,919 --> 00:28:11,185
You know how you get in
little spats, little fights?
555
00:28:11,187 --> 00:28:12,986
We were fighting
and I went to bed,
556
00:28:12,988 --> 00:28:16,022
And I couldn't sleep.
I was furious with him.
557
00:28:16,024 --> 00:28:18,591
And I got up, it was
three o'clock in the morning,
558
00:28:18,593 --> 00:28:21,760
And I came down and I grabbed
my biggest canvas that I had,
559
00:28:21,762 --> 00:28:24,229
And just let it all out.
560
00:28:24,231 --> 00:28:25,730
That's how most
of my paintings go.
561
00:28:25,732 --> 00:28:28,733
You know, I don't have any
training, it's just what I feel.
562
00:28:28,735 --> 00:28:31,168
So, this one
is called "mad love."
563
00:28:32,671 --> 00:28:35,371
And it's actually
one of my favorites.
564
00:28:44,613 --> 00:28:47,915
Grr. Arf. Arf.
Give it up.
565
00:28:47,917 --> 00:28:50,150
I'm originally from
rockford, illinois.
566
00:28:50,152 --> 00:28:53,986
And there are two things
that came out of rockford
that are famous.
567
00:28:53,988 --> 00:28:56,188
Cheap trick, and ginger lynn.
568
00:29:07,098 --> 00:29:09,966
Porn, it had gone from
the place where
569
00:29:09,968 --> 00:29:12,501
You sat in a theater
in your raincoat and jerked off
570
00:29:12,503 --> 00:29:16,370
To you bought a vcr, and you
got a ginger lynn movie.
571
00:29:17,138 --> 00:29:19,772
I was one of the first girls
572
00:29:19,774 --> 00:29:22,341
That didn't look like
I did what I did.
573
00:29:22,343 --> 00:29:25,243
I became
so well known so quickly.
574
00:29:25,245 --> 00:29:28,112
A lot of mainstream actors
knew who I was.
575
00:29:28,114 --> 00:29:32,048
They were as excited to meet me
as I was to meet them.
576
00:29:32,050 --> 00:29:34,750
I was, you know,
their first porn.
577
00:29:38,054 --> 00:29:41,122
- In the '80s when it was cool to be a porn star...
- -yeah.
578
00:29:41,124 --> 00:29:44,258
...And celebrities
wanted to meet you,
579
00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:47,827
I went to lunch
with my attorney,
580
00:29:47,829 --> 00:29:49,595
And milton berle...
581
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:52,430
I'm 21 years old,
582
00:29:52,432 --> 00:29:54,198
I'm sitting in
this old hollywood,
583
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,668
Dark wood,
red leather seat restaurant,
584
00:29:57,670 --> 00:30:01,038
And I'm in between
my attorney and milton berle,
585
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,508
And milton berle unzips his
pants and whips his dick out.
586
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:08,177
Just whips it right out
in the restaurant
587
00:30:08,179 --> 00:30:10,245
Right in front of me.
588
00:30:10,247 --> 00:30:13,081
And I'm trying
to maintain eye contact,
589
00:30:13,083 --> 00:30:15,550
But it's very difficult.
I kept looking down at it.
590
00:30:15,552 --> 00:30:18,553
He never tried anything,
didn't try to touch me,
591
00:30:18,555 --> 00:30:20,788
Didn't play with it,
he just whipped it out
592
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:23,757
And let it hang the whole
dinner-- the whole lunch.
593
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:25,291
are the stories true?
594
00:30:25,293 --> 00:30:27,826
Oh, it's huge! It's huge!
595
00:30:27,828 --> 00:30:30,495
He would give john holmes
a run for the money.
596
00:30:30,497 --> 00:30:34,098
Big, huge, honkin' dick.
597
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:39,669
I started my adult film career
December 9th, 1983.
598
00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:43,839
I turned 21 five days later
on December 14th.
599
00:30:43,841 --> 00:30:47,509
I filmed until
February 11th 1986.
600
00:30:47,511 --> 00:30:49,811
But the thing I remember
about that last day--
601
00:30:49,813 --> 00:30:52,280
It was a couple weeks
before I quit,
602
00:30:52,282 --> 00:30:53,381
I woke up,
603
00:30:53,383 --> 00:30:55,182
And most days I would
wake up and go,
604
00:30:55,184 --> 00:30:57,551
"yes! I'm going to have
sex with this person today!
605
00:30:57,553 --> 00:30:59,619
"I'm gonna fuck that person,
eat this pussy,"
606
00:30:59,621 --> 00:31:01,253
And I would be so excited.
607
00:31:01,255 --> 00:31:04,122
I woke up this
one particular morning
608
00:31:04,124 --> 00:31:05,623
And I said to myself,
609
00:31:05,625 --> 00:31:08,726
I don't want to fuck today.
I'm done."
610
00:31:08,728 --> 00:31:11,662
So, I was under contract
with vivid video at the time.
611
00:31:11,664 --> 00:31:13,397
I went into vivid and said,
you know,
612
00:31:13,399 --> 00:31:15,165
I talked to the owner and said,
613
00:31:15,167 --> 00:31:19,135
"my head's not in the right
place and I can't do this."
614
00:31:19,137 --> 00:31:21,470
He said, "cool, I understand.
615
00:31:21,472 --> 00:31:23,171
"is there any way
that you could finish
616
00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:25,306
"your last two
films under contract?"
617
00:31:25,308 --> 00:31:27,241
And I said yes.
618
00:31:27,243 --> 00:31:29,943
And February 11th,
I came home,
619
00:31:29,945 --> 00:31:31,978
And my boyfriend
had taken our bathtub
620
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:36,415
And filled it with gallons
and gallons and gallons of milk
621
00:31:36,417 --> 00:31:38,016
And white rose petals.
622
00:31:38,018 --> 00:31:42,020
And I had a cleansing bath that
I was done with the business.
623
00:31:42,022 --> 00:31:45,857
And there was something
really romantic about that.
624
00:31:45,859 --> 00:31:48,025
It was like,
it really was a cleansing.
625
00:31:48,027 --> 00:31:50,160
And not that there's anything
bad about what I did,
626
00:31:50,162 --> 00:31:53,129
But I was moving on
to another phase of my life.
627
00:31:53,131 --> 00:31:55,464
When I quit, I didn't think
about the big picture.
628
00:31:55,466 --> 00:31:56,565
What am I gonna do next?
629
00:31:56,567 --> 00:31:58,266
I owned a house
in beverly hills.
630
00:31:58,268 --> 00:32:00,000
I had a mortgage to pay.
631
00:32:02,937 --> 00:32:05,672
I guess I would say yes,
632
00:32:05,674 --> 00:32:08,107
I did always want to be in
the entertainment business
633
00:32:08,109 --> 00:32:10,943
Without really realizing it.
634
00:32:10,945 --> 00:32:12,878
And I am now.
635
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,113
So I broke into
the mainstream arena.
636
00:32:15,115 --> 00:32:17,482
I worked on dozens of films.
637
00:32:17,484 --> 00:32:19,817
I've got a new film coming out
called "lost souls."
638
00:32:19,819 --> 00:32:22,286
-Oh, wow.
-Should be out for Halloween.
639
00:32:22,288 --> 00:32:23,987
Another film.
640
00:32:23,989 --> 00:32:26,556
I have a very small role in
the coen brothers new film
"the big lebowski."
641
00:32:26,558 --> 00:32:28,190
-What else?
-Oh, wow.
642
00:32:28,192 --> 00:32:30,759
"wing commander: Prophecy"
with mark hamill
will be out for christmas.
643
00:32:30,761 --> 00:32:34,228
And "god's lonely man"
with justine bateman
will be out soon.
644
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:35,596
Wow!
645
00:32:35,598 --> 00:32:38,932
This is gonna sound awful.
I was having really shitty sex.
646
00:32:38,934 --> 00:32:41,567
I couldn't find a lover
that could satisfy me
647
00:32:41,569 --> 00:32:43,535
To save my life for years.
648
00:32:43,537 --> 00:32:45,937
I just wanted
to get fucked good.
649
00:32:45,939 --> 00:32:48,873
I just really wanted--
I wanted to have sex with girls.
650
00:32:48,875 --> 00:32:50,474
I wanted to get fucked by boys.
651
00:32:50,476 --> 00:32:52,509
I wanted to--
I wanted good sex.
652
00:32:52,511 --> 00:32:55,411
So I went to vivid,
I went to wicked,
653
00:32:55,413 --> 00:32:59,847
And I went to vca,
and made exorbitant requests.
654
00:32:59,849 --> 00:33:01,815
Making a comeback,
this is what I want.
655
00:33:01,817 --> 00:33:04,484
Get all three of the companies,
made me an offer,
656
00:33:04,486 --> 00:33:06,652
And I decided
to go with vca.
657
00:33:06,654 --> 00:33:08,353
And there's a film I did
called "taken."
658
00:33:08,355 --> 00:33:12,156
The director was veronica hart.
She came to me and she said,
659
00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:15,092
"ginger, you know, I just don't
think this is gonna happen.
660
00:33:15,094 --> 00:33:17,761
"and I think you're the only
actress that can pull this off.
661
00:33:17,763 --> 00:33:19,562
"I want to make it into a porn,
662
00:33:19,564 --> 00:33:21,798
And I want you
to be the star in it."
663
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,499
I won best actress for
that film that year.
664
00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:27,869
And it's the only
best actress award I've won
that I thought I deserved.
665
00:33:27,871 --> 00:33:30,371
I'd become an actress.
666
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:33,874
A lot of people
that get into porn,
667
00:33:33,876 --> 00:33:35,642
There is no life after porn.
668
00:33:35,644 --> 00:33:37,410
They don't know
what to do with themselves.
669
00:33:37,412 --> 00:33:40,579
And if you're known as
a sex object your whole life
670
00:33:40,581 --> 00:33:42,547
And sex is all you know,
671
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:44,348
Where do you go?
How do you apply for a job?
672
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:48,085
You know, I've been fucking
on film for the last 30 years?
673
00:33:48,087 --> 00:33:50,787
And it's important that you
think about your future.
674
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:54,323
You think about what's
going to happen afterwards.
675
00:33:54,325 --> 00:33:55,791
I've been really lucky with--
676
00:33:55,793 --> 00:33:57,626
You know,
I started three web sites
677
00:33:57,628 --> 00:34:01,162
As well as doing my paintings
678
00:34:01,164 --> 00:34:03,197
And everything,
I have my auction site.
679
00:34:03,199 --> 00:34:06,300
Ginger lynn auctions dot com,
ginger lynn dot com,
680
00:34:06,302 --> 00:34:09,503
And my art site, which is
ginger lynn art dot com.
681
00:34:09,505 --> 00:34:12,739
So I've always got a lot
of different eggs in the basket
682
00:34:12,741 --> 00:34:14,907
And things to fall back on.
683
00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:16,508
'cause it scares me.
684
00:34:16,510 --> 00:34:18,243
You know, I don't want to be 60
685
00:34:18,245 --> 00:34:21,078
And have nothing to show
what I've worked for.
686
00:34:23,681 --> 00:34:27,916
I did a half-a-dozen films
in, like, 2005.
687
00:34:29,385 --> 00:34:32,520
I wouldn't recommend anybody
get into the business today.
688
00:34:32,522 --> 00:34:36,256
I just wouldn't.
It's changed so much.
689
00:34:36,258 --> 00:34:38,458
I had been cast on a film,
690
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:41,394
And there was somebody else
doing a scene before me,
691
00:34:41,396 --> 00:34:45,463
Very famous, very well known
actress in the business,
692
00:34:45,465 --> 00:34:46,931
Good friend of mine.
693
00:34:46,933 --> 00:34:49,400
And she was
sitting on the sofa,
694
00:34:49,402 --> 00:34:51,835
And there was her costar
on the other end of the sofa.
695
00:34:51,837 --> 00:34:53,570
This is before filming.
696
00:34:53,572 --> 00:34:56,205
I used to get in trouble
on every single set.
697
00:34:56,207 --> 00:34:59,041
Once my makeup was done,
I'm on you.
698
00:34:59,043 --> 00:35:01,410
I'd be sucking your dick,
I'd be kissing you, you know,
699
00:35:01,412 --> 00:35:02,911
And then have to redo my makeup.
700
00:35:02,913 --> 00:35:06,180
I'd get in trouble all the time
because I wanted to be there.
701
00:35:06,182 --> 00:35:10,651
These two people sat
on opposite ends of the sofa
on their phones.
702
00:35:10,653 --> 00:35:14,021
And then they called, you know,
"we're ready for you on set,"
and they just went and fucked.
703
00:35:14,023 --> 00:35:17,557
There was no connection,
no nothing.
704
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,827
Sex is such
an intimate thing, for me,
705
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:24,396
That I have to like you
to fuck you.
706
00:35:24,398 --> 00:35:26,831
I have to want
to be with you.
707
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,633
I want that buildup,
that anticipation,
708
00:35:29,635 --> 00:35:30,900
That "I can't wait."
you know?
709
00:35:30,902 --> 00:35:34,470
If you're in an industry
that's that intimate,
710
00:35:34,472 --> 00:35:36,872
You need to love
what you're doing.
711
00:35:36,874 --> 00:35:38,940
I always have said
712
00:35:38,942 --> 00:35:41,509
If you call me a whore,
I'll, like, want to punch you.
713
00:35:41,511 --> 00:35:43,878
You can call me
a slut all day long.
714
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,881
I like to fuck, and I've
fucked a lot of people.
715
00:35:46,883 --> 00:35:48,249
But I've never been a whore.
716
00:35:48,251 --> 00:35:52,252
And if I worked at mcdonald's
and didn't like it,
717
00:35:52,254 --> 00:35:53,353
I'd be a whore.
718
00:35:53,355 --> 00:35:55,221
It doesn't necessarily
have to do with sex.
719
00:35:55,223 --> 00:35:59,325
Doing something
you don't want to for money
is a whore in my opinion.
720
00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,668
A lot of the women
in the adult film industry
721
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:16,705
Completely separate their porn
lives from their personal lives.
722
00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:19,207
They don't mix,
they have different names.
723
00:36:19,209 --> 00:36:26,047
And they turn their porn star
on and off as needed.
724
00:36:26,049 --> 00:36:27,882
What I've chosen to do--
725
00:36:27,884 --> 00:36:30,050
I don't know if I chose it
or it just happened--
726
00:36:30,052 --> 00:36:34,720
Is I brought ginger--
ginger lynn allen-- to the set.
727
00:36:34,722 --> 00:36:37,923
Everything that you see me
do on film is me.
728
00:36:37,925 --> 00:36:40,392
My energy, my bubbles,
my enthusiasm.
729
00:36:40,394 --> 00:36:44,429
That's who I am. There is no
ginger lynn and ginger allen.
730
00:36:44,431 --> 00:36:45,596
They're the same person.
731
00:36:45,598 --> 00:36:47,331
I have porn star tourette's.
732
00:36:47,333 --> 00:36:49,633
I say things I shouldn't say
when I shouldn't say them.
733
00:36:49,635 --> 00:36:52,402
I own every choice
that I've ever made.
734
00:36:52,404 --> 00:36:55,037
I'm not ashamed
of anything I've done.
735
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,040
I have lived
an amazing life.
736
00:36:58,042 --> 00:36:59,975
I have absolutely no regrets.
737
00:36:59,977 --> 00:37:04,712
And I like ginger lynn.
And I like ginger allen.
738
00:37:04,714 --> 00:37:06,814
Because they're the same person.
739
00:37:24,163 --> 00:37:26,631
Um, I got in because I wanted
to try something new.
740
00:37:26,633 --> 00:37:28,733
'cause, you know, I'm just,
like, a college student.
741
00:37:28,735 --> 00:37:30,434
Going to classes, working.
742
00:37:30,436 --> 00:37:33,270
That whole, like, life,
trying to barely live.
743
00:37:33,272 --> 00:37:35,071
And so I was like,
"yeah, I'm gonna do porn.
744
00:37:35,073 --> 00:37:37,173
"I like sex.
Why not? Fuck it."
745
00:37:37,175 --> 00:37:38,874
So I got into it,
746
00:37:38,876 --> 00:37:40,508
And like, I really
love it so far.
747
00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:43,577
I'm still in school, you know.
My major is business,
748
00:37:43,579 --> 00:37:46,713
So once I graduate I'm gonna
go into real estate.
749
00:37:46,715 --> 00:37:50,382
So if I'm still doing porn then,
like, yeah, whatever, side job.
750
00:37:50,384 --> 00:37:51,916
But like, you know.
751
00:37:51,918 --> 00:37:54,184
That's what I'm, like,
going in for right now.
752
00:38:05,327 --> 00:38:07,428
I'm johnnie keyes, man.
Who are you?
753
00:38:15,069 --> 00:38:16,701
are we in heaven?
754
00:38:16,703 --> 00:38:20,337
Baby, you're in the back seat
of a cadillac brougham.
755
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:22,906
That's as close to heaven
as you're gonna get.
756
00:38:27,077 --> 00:38:31,379
the most happiest
I am on this planet:
757
00:38:31,381 --> 00:38:35,649
Hugging my son or granddaughter,
singing jazz,
758
00:38:35,651 --> 00:38:38,652
And getting all
the pussy I can get.
759
00:38:38,654 --> 00:38:40,053
That's it.
760
00:38:59,373 --> 00:39:03,275
I was raised
during the '40s and '50s
761
00:39:03,277 --> 00:39:05,543
When this country
was a different place,
762
00:39:07,212 --> 00:39:10,180
When the italians
used to call me a "jig,"
763
00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:13,116
Which is
the guy dancing, right?
764
00:39:13,118 --> 00:39:15,918
I was raised in the ghetto,
where poor people was, right?
765
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,788
You know. Catholic school,
all that.
766
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:22,490
But I always
wanted to be a singer.
767
00:39:23,525 --> 00:39:26,326
♪ a-one, two,
a-one, two, three, four ♪
768
00:39:26,328 --> 00:39:29,195
I was always singing on
the corner with my boys,
769
00:39:29,197 --> 00:39:32,298
You know, doing copies
of all the hit music,
770
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,266
Little richard
and all those guys.
771
00:39:34,268 --> 00:39:36,334
♪ I'm the only
other one you see ♪
772
00:39:36,336 --> 00:39:39,537
♪ gotta give it a chance
to rock her world tonight ♪
773
00:39:39,539 --> 00:39:41,705
♪ ow-woo!
774
00:39:44,842 --> 00:39:49,478
I was a happy teenager except
when I was at home, all right.
775
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,848
When I turned 16 years old,
I packed my shit and I left,
776
00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:55,683
To get out of that situation.
777
00:39:55,685 --> 00:39:59,686
My dad was alcoholic. He used
to beat women and beat me,
778
00:39:59,688 --> 00:40:01,520
And I had to get out of that.
779
00:40:04,123 --> 00:40:05,323
Hmm.
780
00:40:07,025 --> 00:40:08,691
and...
781
00:40:11,494 --> 00:40:14,896
And it's like,
this motherfucker, my dad,
782
00:40:14,898 --> 00:40:17,365
He fucking didn't
know what love was.
783
00:40:17,367 --> 00:40:19,333
He didn't know
about that, you know?
784
00:40:19,335 --> 00:40:22,969
And I can't blame him
'cause how he was raised.
785
00:40:22,971 --> 00:40:26,138
He was raised during slavery.
I can understand that.
786
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:29,141
But I couldn't understand
how could he beat his boy?
787
00:40:29,143 --> 00:40:31,576
How could he beat
his fucking son?
788
00:40:31,578 --> 00:40:34,078
And I said, "I gotta go.
I gotta get out of here,"
789
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,179
So I left home.
790
00:40:35,181 --> 00:40:37,681
Geez, can I get
a napkin? Fuck.
791
00:40:40,484 --> 00:40:43,518
You know, every time I talk
about that, it fucks me up.
792
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,220
I had to leave. I got out.
793
00:40:49,623 --> 00:40:51,290
So, I joined the army,
794
00:40:51,292 --> 00:40:54,426
And I became
the boxing champion,
795
00:40:54,428 --> 00:40:56,428
The lightweight
champion of the world.
796
00:40:56,430 --> 00:41:00,031
The United States army
sent me to 37 countries.
797
00:41:00,033 --> 00:41:02,199
And all I did was
kick ass and take names
798
00:41:02,201 --> 00:41:03,633
'cause I had a lot of anger.
799
00:41:03,635 --> 00:41:07,003
And so when I would get in
the ring with another opponent,
800
00:41:07,005 --> 00:41:09,404
He had no chance.
801
00:41:19,746 --> 00:41:21,012
When I got
into the "green door."
802
00:41:21,014 --> 00:41:22,113
I got in
the "green door" like
803
00:41:22,115 --> 00:41:24,415
I stumbled over it
backwards falling, right?
804
00:41:24,417 --> 00:41:26,216
"the green door,"
when I did that movie.
805
00:41:26,218 --> 00:41:28,585
Now, when the people came
to me with the "green door,"
806
00:41:28,587 --> 00:41:32,188
So we went down there. It was
the mitchell brothers theatre
807
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:33,622
Who produced the "green door."
808
00:41:33,624 --> 00:41:36,225
I went down there, I did
the audition and everything.
809
00:41:36,227 --> 00:41:38,627
And then when they came
back to me, they said,
810
00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:41,296
"well, listen man,
we're making an erotic film."
811
00:41:41,298 --> 00:41:42,830
I went, "what do you
mean, erotic?"
812
00:41:42,832 --> 00:41:44,064
"a fuck movie."
813
00:41:44,066 --> 00:41:45,565
I go, "oh, yeah. Okay, cool."
814
00:41:45,567 --> 00:41:47,800
Jim mitchell, art mitchell,
they're upstairs,
815
00:41:47,802 --> 00:41:49,535
Over at the o'farrell theatre.
They go, "johnnie,
816
00:41:49,537 --> 00:41:51,069
"you're gonna be
the man behind the door,
817
00:41:51,071 --> 00:41:55,773
And you're gonna
have a sex scene
with marilyn chambers."
818
00:41:55,775 --> 00:41:57,941
So, I go, "okay. All right."
819
00:41:57,943 --> 00:41:59,609
So, they bring me
out at the end.
820
00:41:59,611 --> 00:42:03,412
She's 20 years old,
looking like a little
fresh white flower, right?
821
00:42:03,414 --> 00:42:05,080
I'm going, "yeah, right."
822
00:42:05,082 --> 00:42:07,449
Now, come the day
of the shoot, right,
823
00:42:07,451 --> 00:42:09,984
And the mitchell brothers had
a whole other thing set up.
824
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:11,485
I said, "hold it, man."
825
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:14,721
Being a thespian myself,
I go, "hold it.
826
00:42:14,723 --> 00:42:17,256
"here's what I'm gonna do.
Here's how I'm gonna
do the shot.
827
00:42:17,258 --> 00:42:20,392
"I'm gonna have my
african necklace on, right,
828
00:42:20,394 --> 00:42:22,994
"and when I walk
from behind the green door,
829
00:42:22,996 --> 00:42:25,730
"there's women there
and they're trying to touch me,
830
00:42:25,732 --> 00:42:27,832
But I'm not gonna let them
touch me 'cause I'm focused."
831
00:42:27,834 --> 00:42:30,267
And marilyn chambers is
lying out there like this.
832
00:42:30,269 --> 00:42:33,637
My eye is focused on that
muffin, right? You know
what I'm saying?
833
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:35,171
So, I'm looking at that.
834
00:42:35,173 --> 00:42:37,339
And now, when we start
doing the sex scene,
835
00:42:37,341 --> 00:42:39,941
I eat her pussy, and then
I start fucking her, right?
836
00:42:39,943 --> 00:42:43,511
But being an athlete,
837
00:42:43,513 --> 00:42:47,581
I fucked marilyn for 43 minutes
without stopping,
838
00:42:47,583 --> 00:42:51,651
And the last time she came,
she fainted.
839
00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:53,986
And I'm looking
down at this woman,
840
00:42:53,988 --> 00:42:56,154
Her eyes rolled in
the back of her head,
841
00:42:56,156 --> 00:42:57,655
And I went,
"what the hell?
842
00:42:57,657 --> 00:42:59,556
"I done killed a white woman,
I'm going to jail.
843
00:42:59,558 --> 00:43:02,392
I killed a white woman with
my dick! What the fuck?"
844
00:43:02,394 --> 00:43:04,160
This is what's going on
in my brain
845
00:43:04,162 --> 00:43:05,895
As I'm looking down at her,
846
00:43:05,897 --> 00:43:08,197
And she's like...
"eh," right?
847
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,032
So, they said, "okay, johnnie.
848
00:43:10,034 --> 00:43:12,534
"get back up off the pussy
and walk back through
the green door."
849
00:43:12,536 --> 00:43:15,003
They pick marilyn up
and bring her over on the side
850
00:43:15,005 --> 00:43:17,839
And put smelling salts
in her nose and shit
to bring her around.
851
00:43:17,841 --> 00:43:20,541
I bend down, I go,
"marilyn, are you all right?"
852
00:43:20,543 --> 00:43:22,242
And she looked at me, she goes,
853
00:43:22,244 --> 00:43:25,445
"oh, johnnie, oh..."
she says, "oh, johnnie." I go...
854
00:43:25,447 --> 00:43:27,814
I go, "what happened?"
she says, "I don't know."
855
00:43:27,816 --> 00:43:30,983
She says, "I came and then
I went somewhere."
856
00:43:30,985 --> 00:43:32,584
And I go, "jesus christ!"
857
00:43:32,586 --> 00:43:36,354
So now, I'm back on broadway
doing "jesus christ superstar."
858
00:43:36,356 --> 00:43:38,389
I get a call.
"hey, johnnie, what's up?
859
00:43:38,391 --> 00:43:40,424
"how you doing? Yeah."
from the mitchell brothers.
860
00:43:40,426 --> 00:43:42,359
They say, "you know
you're the star of this movie."
861
00:43:42,361 --> 00:43:43,793
I go, "what you talking
about, man?"
862
00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:45,961
I said, "I'm in theater,
I'm doing legitimate theater.
863
00:43:45,963 --> 00:43:48,029
I'm not no porno star."
864
00:43:48,031 --> 00:43:49,563
They go,
"yes, you are."
865
00:43:49,565 --> 00:43:51,131
I go, "what are
you talking about?"
866
00:43:51,133 --> 00:43:54,667
They go, "we got a $50,000 check
waiting for you,
867
00:43:54,669 --> 00:43:57,269
"and you gotta go
to cannes film festival
868
00:43:57,271 --> 00:43:59,237
Because they're
dying to meet you."
869
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,807
And I went, "how much?
50,000? Okay."
870
00:44:02,809 --> 00:44:07,411
So that made the myth of
the black dude with the big dick
871
00:44:07,413 --> 00:44:10,547
In white society,
it made it real.
872
00:44:10,549 --> 00:44:15,017
It made it real for society,
and they went, "what?"
873
00:44:15,019 --> 00:44:16,318
I get off the plane, man,
874
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,054
And women are throwing
their panties and their keys,
875
00:44:19,056 --> 00:44:20,955
And everything. "oh, johnnie!"
876
00:44:20,957 --> 00:44:24,158
Our pavilion was
going 24 hours.
877
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,260
Everybody was staying
open like, eight hours.
878
00:44:26,262 --> 00:44:28,962
"the green door"
was going 24/7.
879
00:44:28,964 --> 00:44:32,332
So I get the award for
the best erotic film ever shot
880
00:44:32,334 --> 00:44:33,833
And all that stuff.
881
00:44:33,835 --> 00:44:37,002
And I come back home
to the United States,
882
00:44:37,004 --> 00:44:39,304
And I figure that's it, right?
883
00:44:39,306 --> 00:44:41,239
I figure, "okay,
I'm finished with that."
884
00:44:41,241 --> 00:44:43,207
But then all
this stuff happened.
885
00:44:43,209 --> 00:44:45,075
They want me
to come to new york,
886
00:44:45,077 --> 00:44:47,143
They want me
to come to detroit
887
00:44:47,145 --> 00:44:48,878
To do all these openings
for "the green door"
888
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,746
Where I'm sitting
and signing autographs.
889
00:44:50,748 --> 00:44:53,014
That whole deal, right?
That was cool.
890
00:44:53,016 --> 00:44:55,516
Then after that me and marilyn
did two more movies together.
891
00:44:55,518 --> 00:44:58,085
"inside marilyn chambers,"
892
00:44:58,087 --> 00:44:59,920
And her
"resurrection of eve."
893
00:44:59,922 --> 00:45:03,556
Later on, when I used to go
to the erotic film awards,
894
00:45:03,558 --> 00:45:06,091
All the brothers would see me,
they'd go like this.
895
00:45:07,794 --> 00:45:10,794
'cause if it weren't for me,
they wouldn't be there.
896
00:45:11,562 --> 00:45:13,563
I opened the door for them.
897
00:45:14,865 --> 00:45:16,232
Which was cool.
898
00:45:16,234 --> 00:45:18,100
At the time I didn't
know what I was doing.
899
00:45:18,102 --> 00:45:19,734
I was just
doing what I was doing.
900
00:45:22,571 --> 00:45:25,272
I was doing this shot
for the mitchell brothers
901
00:45:25,274 --> 00:45:27,140
In a theater
down on market street,
902
00:45:27,142 --> 00:45:29,909
Market street
in san francisco.
903
00:45:29,911 --> 00:45:33,112
I was doing a reenactment
of "the green door"
904
00:45:33,114 --> 00:45:35,247
For a live audience.
905
00:45:35,249 --> 00:45:38,717
Meanwhile, they got
seven cops in the audience.
906
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,785
And when I pull out my dick
and go to do it,
907
00:45:40,787 --> 00:45:44,421
They all, cops just came in
and busted me. Took me to jail.
908
00:45:44,423 --> 00:45:46,423
Of course the mitchells got me
out insto-presto.
909
00:45:46,425 --> 00:45:48,057
But then I went
before the court.
910
00:45:48,059 --> 00:45:51,360
So we had to moved it up
to the california supreme court.
911
00:45:51,362 --> 00:45:55,563
Fornication in a public place,
that was the charge.
912
00:45:55,565 --> 00:45:57,631
And I said, "man, I'm not
sticking my dick in these women.
913
00:45:57,633 --> 00:46:00,100
I'm moving it to the side.
It's a play-act thing."
914
00:46:00,102 --> 00:46:03,369
'course, you know, those cops,
those motherfuckers.
915
00:46:03,371 --> 00:46:06,338
So, I go before
the supreme court.
916
00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:08,239
So, they call me up
and they go,
917
00:46:08,241 --> 00:46:10,708
"okay, johnnie, what you
got to say?"
918
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:14,445
All these old men with their
gray hair and their soft dicks.
919
00:46:14,447 --> 00:46:18,549
So, I go, "would you rather
for your children
920
00:46:18,551 --> 00:46:22,753
"to see people cut each other
up, blow each other up,
921
00:46:22,755 --> 00:46:24,588
"kill each other,
922
00:46:24,590 --> 00:46:26,890
"or would you rather
for your children to see
923
00:46:26,892 --> 00:46:30,293
"people hugging and kissing
and making love?
924
00:46:30,295 --> 00:46:33,763
Which would you rather
for your children to see?"
925
00:46:33,765 --> 00:46:38,634
Of course, they can't say.
They gotta say the latter,
926
00:46:38,636 --> 00:46:40,702
The hugging and the kissing.
927
00:46:40,704 --> 00:46:44,305
And my testimony helped change
928
00:46:44,307 --> 00:46:47,874
The sexual mores
of this country.
929
00:46:49,009 --> 00:46:54,612
It made it legal for human
beings to go to a store
930
00:46:54,614 --> 00:46:58,815
And rent
an x-rated movie legally.
931
00:46:58,817 --> 00:47:02,685
And I helped make that thing
a reality in this country.
932
00:47:02,687 --> 00:47:05,521
So, I freed a lot
of dicks and pussies.
933
00:47:05,523 --> 00:47:07,456
That's how I feel
about it. Know what I mean?
934
00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:10,091
Real talk. That's real talk.
935
00:47:12,994 --> 00:47:17,730
Years ago, I did a play on
broadway called "the wiz,"
936
00:47:17,732 --> 00:47:21,066
And that's the black production
of "the wizard of oz"
937
00:47:21,068 --> 00:47:23,635
If you people don't know.
938
00:47:23,637 --> 00:47:25,536
One night,
939
00:47:25,538 --> 00:47:30,140
The lead singer in the show
had laryngitis.
940
00:47:30,142 --> 00:47:32,008
And the producers came,
941
00:47:32,010 --> 00:47:34,076
"johnnie, can you
sing 'over the rainbow'?
942
00:47:34,078 --> 00:47:35,677
"because she can't sing it."
943
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:37,412
And I had never did
"over the rainbow"
944
00:47:37,414 --> 00:47:39,147
'cause that wasn't
my part of the show.
945
00:47:39,149 --> 00:47:41,382
'cause I was
the tin man, right?
946
00:47:41,384 --> 00:47:43,650
So, I go, "okay,
yeah, I'll try it."
947
00:47:43,652 --> 00:47:45,818
And so this is
the way I did it.
948
00:47:57,862 --> 00:48:03,365
♪ somewhere over the rainbow
949
00:48:03,367 --> 00:48:06,000
so, then after that I had a son.
950
00:48:06,002 --> 00:48:08,601
And you know what happens
to men when they have boys.
951
00:48:09,903 --> 00:48:10,836
Right?
952
00:48:11,671 --> 00:48:13,805
This woman ran off with my boy.
953
00:48:13,807 --> 00:48:15,640
See, I had taught school.
Like, I said,
954
00:48:15,642 --> 00:48:17,608
Robin williams was one
of my students and people.
955
00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:20,143
She says, "you got a phd.
956
00:48:20,145 --> 00:48:22,879
"go teach school. You don't need
to be making these fuck movies."
957
00:48:22,881 --> 00:48:25,815
I said, "let me tell you,
when I met you
I was making fuck movies.
958
00:48:25,817 --> 00:48:27,550
"that's the reason
why you came to me,
959
00:48:27,552 --> 00:48:29,018
"'cause you wanted
that big dick, bitch.
960
00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:31,286
"so don't be telling me
about, you know,
961
00:48:31,288 --> 00:48:33,187
"you want to change my life?
962
00:48:33,189 --> 00:48:37,057
"you gonna come into my life now
and try to change me?"
963
00:48:37,059 --> 00:48:39,392
I said,
"you don't have
that power, woman."
964
00:48:39,394 --> 00:48:41,961
So, the first thing she did
was snatch my son
965
00:48:41,963 --> 00:48:43,495
And take him away from me,
966
00:48:43,497 --> 00:48:45,463
Which broke my heart.
967
00:48:47,032 --> 00:48:50,901
And that's when I went
and came up to washington
to raise my boy.
968
00:48:50,903 --> 00:48:53,870
And I raised my boy,
he became a globetrotter.
969
00:48:53,872 --> 00:48:56,472
He became one of the top
athletes in washington.
970
00:48:56,474 --> 00:48:58,874
So, I'm proud of that.
971
00:48:58,876 --> 00:49:02,210
I talked to him
last night, right?
972
00:49:02,212 --> 00:49:03,744
He said, "listen,
973
00:49:03,746 --> 00:49:07,247
"all the motherfuckers
gotta go to the wikipedia
and they see you.
974
00:49:07,249 --> 00:49:08,648
"and they know I'm your son."
975
00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:10,850
He said, "so you don't have
to do it no more, pops."
976
00:49:10,852 --> 00:49:12,885
He said, "pops, you don't
have to do that no more."
977
00:49:12,887 --> 00:49:17,088
He said, "'cause you are
what you are,
978
00:49:17,090 --> 00:49:19,623
"and I am what I am,
979
00:49:19,625 --> 00:49:23,460
"and no matter whatever
comes out in the wash,
980
00:49:23,462 --> 00:49:25,195
We're beautiful."
981
00:49:26,497 --> 00:49:28,064
That's my boy
telling me.
982
00:49:28,066 --> 00:49:32,267
♪ where trouble melts
like lemon drops ♪
983
00:49:33,903 --> 00:49:35,837
I'm not saying I want
to exit porn.
984
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:39,639
I love porn for what it is
and how it can develop.
985
00:49:39,641 --> 00:49:41,507
And I'm really into, like,
986
00:49:41,509 --> 00:49:44,142
Pushing the boundaries
of future porn,
987
00:49:44,144 --> 00:49:46,477
Of, like, I don't know,
technologies and stuff.
988
00:49:46,479 --> 00:49:48,078
I'm really into, like,
virtual reality porn
989
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,746
And stuff like that
at the moment.
990
00:49:49,748 --> 00:49:51,280
So, yeah, I'm happy
with what I'm doing,
991
00:49:51,282 --> 00:49:54,049
But eventually I want
to direct and produce films.
992
00:49:54,051 --> 00:49:55,817
And basically
push the boundaries
993
00:49:55,819 --> 00:49:58,386
Of what's out there at
the moment technology-wise.
994
00:49:58,388 --> 00:50:01,222
You know? I'm doing a bit with
360 video work at the moment,
995
00:50:01,224 --> 00:50:02,690
Just testing and stuff.
996
00:50:02,692 --> 00:50:04,658
And hopefully, I think,
that's got a lot of prospect.
997
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:07,661
But, yeah, porn's
one of them worlds, man.
998
00:50:07,663 --> 00:50:09,929
It's ever-evolving
and, you know,
999
00:50:09,931 --> 00:50:11,563
All the new technologies
are always found,
1000
00:50:11,565 --> 00:50:13,565
And some come and some go.
1001
00:50:13,567 --> 00:50:15,700
And I'm just grateful
to be where I am
1002
00:50:15,702 --> 00:50:18,202
And kind of progressing
with it, you know what I mean?
1003
00:50:18,204 --> 00:50:21,205
So, hopefully one day,
I'll be able to direct
and produce films
1004
00:50:21,207 --> 00:50:23,874
And find another
big dick kid like me
and change his life, man.
1005
00:50:23,876 --> 00:50:26,276
That's all I want to do.
1006
00:50:49,232 --> 00:50:51,633
what's the difference between
a boy toy, a slave,
1007
00:50:51,635 --> 00:50:54,235
And a fuck buddy
and a boyfriend?
1008
00:50:54,237 --> 00:50:57,438
I've actually had
to try to explain this
to my shrinks before.
1009
00:50:59,008 --> 00:51:02,209
Slave boys, they enjoy
the fetter side of things.
1010
00:51:02,211 --> 00:51:07,246
Fuck buddies are people that
would be boyfriends
1011
00:51:07,248 --> 00:51:08,981
If they were better.
1012
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:12,450
And then boyfriends are people
that you have,
1013
00:51:12,452 --> 00:51:17,787
You know, spiritual, sexual,
emotional relationships with,
1014
00:51:17,789 --> 00:51:20,055
And, you know, you're
intimate and vulnerable,
1015
00:51:20,057 --> 00:51:21,823
And all of that
kind of fun stuff.
1016
00:51:21,825 --> 00:51:23,858
And the boy toys are just
supposed to shut the fuck up,
1017
00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:26,827
Be cute and pretty and do
as mistress mommy tells them to.
1018
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,938
I always wanted a smooth-running
machine of a business,
1019
00:51:39,940 --> 00:51:41,572
Like that was
always my goal.
1020
00:51:41,574 --> 00:51:43,240
I remember, like,
asking people, like,
1021
00:51:43,242 --> 00:51:45,242
"how do you get into porn?
How do you get into porn?"
1022
00:51:45,244 --> 00:51:48,712
And then I ended up
doing a photo shoot
1023
00:51:48,714 --> 00:51:51,715
With high society
and cherry magazine in jamaica.
1024
00:51:51,717 --> 00:51:54,884
And who was my roommate?
Jenna jameson was.
1025
00:51:54,886 --> 00:51:57,953
So, she's like,
"you need to move to la
and live with me,
1026
00:51:57,955 --> 00:51:59,387
And I'll hook you up."
1027
00:51:59,389 --> 00:52:02,022
And, you know, I was taking
care of my mother at that time.
1028
00:52:02,024 --> 00:52:04,057
And I told my mom
that we were
1029
00:52:04,059 --> 00:52:06,559
Gonna be moving
to hollywood, florida.
1030
00:52:06,561 --> 00:52:10,129
So I'm in jamaica
and I call my mom up,
1031
00:52:10,131 --> 00:52:12,364
And I'm like, "mom,
we're moving to hollywood!"
1032
00:52:12,366 --> 00:52:14,866
And she's like, "yeah, I know."
I'm like, "scratch."
1033
00:52:14,868 --> 00:52:17,435
"hollywood, california."
1034
00:52:17,437 --> 00:52:18,636
She's like, "what?"
1035
00:52:18,638 --> 00:52:21,739
I was 23 and I decided
to open up,
1036
00:52:21,741 --> 00:52:24,508
You know,
a 5,000 square-foot studio,
1037
00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:26,042
Make it a rental facility.
1038
00:52:26,044 --> 00:52:28,110
And I started
right after that
1039
00:52:28,112 --> 00:52:30,579
My first web site
and then, you know,
1040
00:52:30,581 --> 00:52:32,447
Decided to do a whole
network of them
1041
00:52:32,449 --> 00:52:34,449
And all different
kinds of fetishes.
1042
00:52:34,451 --> 00:52:35,983
It was called
"the niche bitch."
1043
00:52:35,985 --> 00:52:37,784
I had the niche bitch network.
1044
00:52:37,786 --> 00:52:39,152
And it went from there.
1045
00:52:39,154 --> 00:52:41,354
Then the whole gonzo thing
kind of started
1046
00:52:41,356 --> 00:52:43,923
When you started having, like,
digital cameras.
1047
00:52:43,925 --> 00:52:46,825
And everybody else
used to call it,
1048
00:52:46,827 --> 00:52:51,528
Um, the actual civilian
term for it...--
1049
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:53,563
"civilian" meaning you people--
1050
00:52:53,565 --> 00:52:56,632
...Um, non porn stars,
1051
00:52:56,634 --> 00:52:58,166
Uh, it was called pro-am.
1052
00:52:58,168 --> 00:53:01,469
Which really all it meant was
there was a bunch of idiots
1053
00:53:01,471 --> 00:53:02,870
That used to be porn stars
1054
00:53:02,872 --> 00:53:05,539
That had picked up a camera,
myself included...
1055
00:53:07,342 --> 00:53:08,974
...But mostly it was all guys.
1056
00:53:08,976 --> 00:53:12,210
Because, once again, it was
a very, very
1057
00:53:12,212 --> 00:53:15,213
Boys' school business
back then.
1058
00:53:15,215 --> 00:53:19,050
I mean, it was all italian mafia
that did distribution,
1059
00:53:19,052 --> 00:53:21,852
And it was all jewish mafia
that did production,
1060
00:53:21,854 --> 00:53:25,788
And women were not allowed
to kind of get in there,
1061
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:27,689
Especially distribution,
you know.
1062
00:53:27,691 --> 00:53:31,725
So, but anyways,
there was a film,
1063
00:53:31,727 --> 00:53:33,760
I think it was called "erocity,"
1064
00:53:33,762 --> 00:53:39,532
Where I was raping
the fuck out of this
guy's ass in my dungeon,
1065
00:53:39,534 --> 00:53:42,601
And it was really hilarious
1066
00:53:42,603 --> 00:53:44,436
Because I broke
my discipline horse.
1067
00:53:44,438 --> 00:53:48,473
And I just kept pounding that
motherfucker into the ground.
1068
00:53:48,475 --> 00:53:51,709
And it was so funny
'cause the director
afterwards was like,
1069
00:53:51,711 --> 00:53:54,411
"you didn't miss a beat."
1070
00:53:54,413 --> 00:53:58,448
And I'd always have, you know,
these soirée affairs,
1071
00:53:58,450 --> 00:54:02,084
And I'd have a curator with
all these fetish kind of art,
1072
00:54:02,086 --> 00:54:04,352
And I'd have these
custom-made outfits,
1073
00:54:04,354 --> 00:54:05,486
And I'd have an open bar.
1074
00:54:05,488 --> 00:54:08,489
And then, you know, I'd be
double-fisting somebody
1075
00:54:08,491 --> 00:54:11,058
In the dungeon downstairs.
1076
00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:13,226
And, you know, my mom
would be upstairs,
1077
00:54:13,228 --> 00:54:15,428
And she's like,
"I'm so proud of my daughter."
1078
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:18,063
And they're like, "do you know
what she's doing downstairs?"
1079
00:54:18,065 --> 00:54:19,898
"I don't care. I'm just
very proud of her."
1080
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:23,468
I know I'm hypocritical
1081
00:54:23,470 --> 00:54:26,737
'cause I'm a dominatrix
and I beat the shit
out of men,
1082
00:54:26,739 --> 00:54:30,073
But I just feel like it's
appropriate doing it to a man
but not a woman.
1083
00:54:30,075 --> 00:54:32,341
Call me cray-cray,
it's the feminist in me.
1084
00:54:36,512 --> 00:54:38,479
-Sam?
-Yeah?
1085
00:54:38,481 --> 00:54:41,882
How about you come over here
and sit besides me on this couch
1086
00:54:41,884 --> 00:54:47,187
And show me some of that
sam slate private dick?
1087
00:54:47,189 --> 00:54:48,922
Thought you'd never ask me.
1088
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,894
I feel like now
when I watch porn,
1089
00:54:56,896 --> 00:54:58,662
It's like, you know,
fucking her in the ass,
1090
00:54:58,664 --> 00:55:00,096
And choking her
and, you know,
1091
00:55:00,098 --> 00:55:03,099
Having as many cocks
as you possibly can,
1092
00:55:03,101 --> 00:55:05,968
And it's all this spit
and put her head in the toilet.
1093
00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:09,071
And I am not down
with that program.
1094
00:55:09,073 --> 00:55:11,606
So when I had
originally retired,
1095
00:55:11,608 --> 00:55:14,976
Because all porn stars, we come
back and we...
1096
00:55:14,978 --> 00:55:16,744
That's what we do,
we leave and we come back.
1097
00:55:16,746 --> 00:55:18,645
But when I originally retired,
1098
00:55:18,647 --> 00:55:23,983
I had no problem doing it
because the business that I knew
1099
00:55:23,985 --> 00:55:28,420
Where you actually had sex,
like, on beds and desks,
1100
00:55:28,422 --> 00:55:31,055
And, you know, and it was like,
you were having sex.
1101
00:55:31,057 --> 00:55:33,357
It was, like, good.
1102
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:37,660
Now, oh my god, I need to do
a sitz bath afterwards.
1103
00:55:37,662 --> 00:55:39,528
I mean, they freaking kill you.
1104
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:42,864
It's like, it's all about
pounding you into the next room,
1105
00:55:42,866 --> 00:55:44,232
And choking you.
1106
00:55:44,234 --> 00:55:45,900
They don't do
that shit to me.
1107
00:55:45,902 --> 00:55:48,168
Because I will turn around
and clock the motherfucker.
1108
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:50,603
'cause I am a dominant woman
and I'm older.
1109
00:55:50,605 --> 00:55:52,771
Respect your elders, beyotch.
1110
00:55:56,108 --> 00:55:58,709
I had been retired
for quite a few years
1111
00:55:58,711 --> 00:56:00,777
And a director
contacted me,
1112
00:56:00,779 --> 00:56:03,646
Not knowing that I had
been retired.
1113
00:56:03,648 --> 00:56:06,248
And he's like, "oh, you know,
I was wondering, you know,
1114
00:56:06,250 --> 00:56:08,416
"I had a scene that I
wanted you to be in."
1115
00:56:08,418 --> 00:56:12,153
And I was like, "okay, well,
what's the name of the film?"
1116
00:56:12,155 --> 00:56:13,320
And he's like, "golden girls."
1117
00:56:13,322 --> 00:56:15,322
I'm like,
"you're a fucking jerkoff!"
1118
00:56:20,961 --> 00:56:24,163
Dude calls me back, like,
a year later and he goes,
1119
00:56:24,165 --> 00:56:26,198
"I got your comeback film."
1120
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,201
I'm like, "get the fuck
outta here.
1121
00:56:29,203 --> 00:56:32,370
Didn't think I'd be hearing
from you again," and...
1122
00:56:35,107 --> 00:56:38,008
Do you want a piece
of me, you little bitch?
1123
00:56:38,610 --> 00:56:42,111
"sex and the city,"
I want you to play samantha.
1124
00:56:42,113 --> 00:56:44,813
I'm like,
"dude, I like you, man."
1125
00:56:44,815 --> 00:56:48,783
So, I got to do
that particular movie,
1126
00:56:48,785 --> 00:56:51,118
And I had realized
it had been a while
1127
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,153
Since I'd been on camera.
1128
00:56:53,155 --> 00:56:56,723
I had maybe done, like, two
anal scenes in my entire life.
1129
00:56:56,725 --> 00:56:58,091
So I said I would
do an anal scene.
1130
00:56:58,093 --> 00:56:59,892
But I'm not a pro at this.
1131
00:56:59,894 --> 00:57:03,395
God bless all of the men
out there that think that,
1132
00:57:03,397 --> 00:57:06,030
You know, there's not a lot
of preparation that
goes into this.
1133
00:57:06,032 --> 00:57:09,500
Let me tell you something,
there... There needs to be.
1134
00:57:09,502 --> 00:57:11,602
Oh, you dirty, naughty boy.
1135
00:57:11,604 --> 00:57:14,705
-You wanna fuck my ass?
-Yeah, I wanna fuck that ass.
1136
00:57:14,707 --> 00:57:16,073
Oh, yeah.
1137
00:57:16,075 --> 00:57:18,408
Shove that big cock in my ass.
1138
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:20,376
It's like, 10:00 a.M.
And you're having, like,
1139
00:57:20,378 --> 00:57:23,045
A 20-inch cock shoved
into your ass, right?
1140
00:57:23,047 --> 00:57:26,081
And, you know, I haven't had
anything in my own booty
1141
00:57:26,083 --> 00:57:28,116
For, like, a long time.
1142
00:57:28,118 --> 00:57:30,384
I'm in the bathroom
talking to a girlfriend of mine.
1143
00:57:30,386 --> 00:57:32,886
"allison, something
happened to my ass."
1144
00:57:32,888 --> 00:57:34,220
She's like, "what are
you talking about?"
1145
00:57:34,222 --> 00:57:35,921
I'm like, "there's something
wrong with my ass."
1146
00:57:35,923 --> 00:57:37,255
She's like, "what are
you talking about?"
1147
00:57:37,257 --> 00:57:39,023
I'm like, "no, there's
really something, like,
1148
00:57:39,025 --> 00:57:42,459
"like, I think my ass
flipped inside out or-- yeah."
1149
00:57:42,461 --> 00:57:44,594
And she's like,
"what are you talking--"
1150
00:57:44,596 --> 00:57:47,964
I'm like...
"something's
wrong with my ass."
1151
00:57:47,966 --> 00:57:49,799
And so, sure enough,
1152
00:57:49,801 --> 00:57:51,367
I go back on set, you know,
1153
00:57:51,369 --> 00:57:53,969
And I'm like, got my legs
together and I'm scooting in,
1154
00:57:53,971 --> 00:57:56,771
And they're like,
"uh, are you okay?"
1155
00:57:56,773 --> 00:57:58,740
And I'm like, "um...
1156
00:58:00,175 --> 00:58:01,875
Something happened to my ass."
1157
00:58:01,877 --> 00:58:04,444
And they're like,
"oh, not a big deal.
1158
00:58:04,446 --> 00:58:06,078
You're just rosebudding it."
1159
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,647
I'm like,
"what is rosebudding it?"
1160
00:58:08,649 --> 00:58:12,083
And they're like, "well,
it's when you have a prolapse,
1161
00:58:12,085 --> 00:58:13,951
"you know, like,
your ass, like, prolapsed.
1162
00:58:13,953 --> 00:58:16,653
"it flips inside out." right?
1163
00:58:16,655 --> 00:58:19,455
And I'm like,
"oh, no, this is not good."
1164
00:58:19,457 --> 00:58:21,123
They're like,
"oh, don't worry about it.
1165
00:58:21,125 --> 00:58:23,792
"there's like a ton of girls
in the industry
1166
00:58:23,794 --> 00:58:25,860
"that have permanent rosebud.
1167
00:58:25,862 --> 00:58:30,731
"there's like a whole prolapse
fetish genre of film."
1168
00:58:30,733 --> 00:58:35,335
And I'm like, "no..."
1169
00:58:35,337 --> 00:58:39,305
The next time
I did an anal scene,
I prepared for a month.
1170
00:58:40,608 --> 00:58:42,474
have you put any restrictions
1171
00:58:42,476 --> 00:58:44,409
On what you're willing
to do on video?
1172
00:58:44,411 --> 00:58:46,544
Um, at this point
in time I have.
1173
00:58:46,546 --> 00:58:52,082
I won't do any anals
or gangbangs,
1174
00:58:52,084 --> 00:58:53,416
And that's pretty much it.
1175
00:58:53,418 --> 00:58:55,618
And the only reason is, is...
1176
00:58:55,620 --> 00:59:00,955
...It's more, like, a business
thing than anything else.
1177
00:59:00,957 --> 00:59:04,058
I figure I have to have
something left
1178
00:59:04,060 --> 00:59:06,293
When... To market
a little bit later on.
1179
00:59:06,295 --> 00:59:11,231
So, you'll probably see me
doing it a little bit later,
but not quite yet.
1180
00:59:11,233 --> 00:59:12,966
Gonna make you wait for it.
1181
00:59:12,968 --> 00:59:14,267
do you do it off camera?
1182
00:59:14,269 --> 00:59:16,936
Oh, definitely. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Mm-hmm. Definitely.
1183
00:59:16,938 --> 00:59:18,370
Well, I don't know
about gangbangs.
1184
00:59:18,372 --> 00:59:21,005
I don't really usually get into
a gangbang situation
1185
00:59:21,007 --> 00:59:22,539
All that often.
1186
00:59:22,541 --> 00:59:24,407
Um, but anal sex,
1187
00:59:24,409 --> 00:59:28,010
I do try get it in
every once in a blue moon.
1188
00:59:29,413 --> 00:59:32,313
I'd been producing
and directing for 15 years,
1189
00:59:32,315 --> 00:59:34,281
And I thought,
"well, you know what?
1190
00:59:34,283 --> 00:59:36,416
"why don't I understand
the theory
1191
00:59:36,418 --> 00:59:39,886
"of what I've actually been
doing for the last 15 years."
1192
00:59:39,888 --> 00:59:42,255
So I moved to new york
1193
00:59:42,257 --> 00:59:46,525
And I started going to
the new york film academy.
1194
00:59:46,527 --> 00:59:50,628
I did two years of producing,
one year of directing.
1195
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:53,430
It was funny 'cause they would
go on my imdb page
1196
00:59:53,432 --> 00:59:57,500
And, you know, there's these
19-year-old film school boys,
1197
00:59:57,502 --> 01:00:00,769
And they're like, "oh my god!
You have 1,000 credits?"
1198
01:00:00,771 --> 01:00:05,639
"your imdb page is so big
and massive and huge.
1199
01:00:05,641 --> 01:00:10,410
So yeah, when I realized that
independent filmmaking was
not going to continue
1200
01:00:10,412 --> 01:00:14,212
Making me the rich bitch
that I'm used to being...
1201
01:00:17,217 --> 01:00:19,016
Maybe I should dj?
1202
01:00:19,018 --> 01:00:20,817
Workaholic slash
rave chick girl.
1203
01:00:20,819 --> 01:00:23,719
Work my ass off, work hard,
play hard kind of thing.
1204
01:00:26,522 --> 01:00:29,390
I was always billed out
as the porn star dj.
1205
01:00:29,392 --> 01:00:31,125
But then I've also been
in "playboy" magazine,
1206
01:00:31,127 --> 01:00:32,993
So also "playboy" dj.
1207
01:00:32,995 --> 01:00:39,399
And, you know, now I get
to just be a talented
scam artist dj.
1208
01:00:39,401 --> 01:00:45,738
I've not had any issue
with my past being negative.
1209
01:00:45,740 --> 01:00:47,639
It's actually been
the exact opposite.
1210
01:00:47,641 --> 01:00:50,942
I've utilized all
the tools and connections
1211
01:00:50,944 --> 01:00:52,276
And things like that
1212
01:00:52,278 --> 01:00:55,412
In whatever new businesses
that I start now.
1213
01:00:55,414 --> 01:00:57,614
I am very happy that I was
1214
01:00:57,616 --> 01:01:00,450
A part of
the "golden age of porn."
1215
01:01:00,452 --> 01:01:03,152
Very happy.
'cause, you know what?
1216
01:01:03,154 --> 01:01:05,053
I don't know if I
could do it nowadays.
1217
01:01:05,055 --> 01:01:08,589
I really don't know
if I could.
1218
01:01:18,398 --> 01:01:22,867
most men involved
in the industry,
1219
01:01:22,869 --> 01:01:25,169
Outside of most of the talent,
1220
01:01:25,171 --> 01:01:27,371
I don't think
they're pro-women.
1221
01:01:27,373 --> 01:01:28,705
I don't think they like women.
1222
01:01:28,707 --> 01:01:33,875
I think that they get off on
having power over women.
1223
01:01:33,877 --> 01:01:35,443
But it also creates money,
1224
01:01:35,445 --> 01:01:38,045
So, you know,
that's my opinion.
1225
01:01:38,047 --> 01:01:40,447
I don't think it's...
1226
01:01:40,449 --> 01:01:44,684
It's far from the most honorable
industry that ever existed.
1227
01:01:51,157 --> 01:01:54,993
long-term, I'm actually
doing my web site now.
1228
01:01:54,995 --> 01:01:57,061
Eventually, I want
to keep doing it,
1229
01:01:57,063 --> 01:02:00,230
But, I mean, if something
else comes up,
1230
01:02:00,232 --> 01:02:01,731
That'd be cool too, but...
1231
01:02:01,733 --> 01:02:03,933
I want to eventually, like,
hire people to do it for me,
1232
01:02:03,935 --> 01:02:06,535
So, like, I don't have to do it
anymore, you know what I mean?
1233
01:02:06,537 --> 01:02:10,472
Like, have my own site
and pay girls to do stuff.
1234
01:02:10,474 --> 01:02:12,474
Or men.
So that I don't have to, like--
1235
01:02:12,476 --> 01:02:14,242
I can be, like,
a director basically, you know?
1236
01:02:14,244 --> 01:02:15,576
That'd be cool.
1237
01:02:17,612 --> 01:02:19,045
back up this way now.
1238
01:02:19,047 --> 01:02:20,413
- Yeah, nice.
1239
01:02:20,415 --> 01:02:22,181
Can you bring 'em
underneath yourself?
1240
01:02:22,183 --> 01:02:23,849
Yeah? Let's pop those out.
1241
01:02:23,851 --> 01:02:25,750
Beautiful.
Okay, good.
1242
01:02:25,752 --> 01:02:27,651
That's it.
Drop that shoulder.
1243
01:02:27,653 --> 01:02:28,818
Yeah, nice.
1244
01:02:28,820 --> 01:02:31,620
Bring your left shoulder
to me just a little bit.
1245
01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:33,688
Right there.
Yeah, very strong.
1246
01:02:33,690 --> 01:02:36,090
Beautiful.
Right there, good.
1247
01:02:39,128 --> 01:02:40,927
do you like
this job so far?
1248
01:02:40,929 --> 01:02:43,596
I love this job so far.
1249
01:02:43,598 --> 01:02:45,364
are there certain aspects
1250
01:02:45,366 --> 01:02:47,866
Of this kind of work
that you dislike?
1251
01:02:47,868 --> 01:02:50,969
Yeah, but the likes
outweigh the dislikes.
1252
01:02:58,109 --> 01:03:00,743
what's going on in the life
of chasey lain?
1253
01:03:00,745 --> 01:03:03,378
right now I'm out here working.
1254
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:04,812
I do two weeks on,
two weeks off.
1255
01:03:04,814 --> 01:03:08,315
And I'm giving some love to
dennis here at the bunnyranch.
1256
01:03:08,317 --> 01:03:09,716
There it is.
1257
01:03:09,718 --> 01:03:11,317
And a lot of love
to a lot of fans out there?
1258
01:03:11,319 --> 01:03:16,120
Yeah. Anybody can come,
swing on by and we'll have
a good time.
1259
01:03:16,122 --> 01:03:17,588
There you go.
So, are you--
1260
01:03:17,590 --> 01:03:19,790
Are you still doing movies
or are you done with that?
1261
01:03:19,792 --> 01:03:21,525
mmm, I don't know
if I'm done with it.
1262
01:03:21,527 --> 01:03:22,959
I'm not shooting right now.
1263
01:03:22,961 --> 01:03:24,026
okay.
1264
01:03:34,269 --> 01:03:39,306
off and on,
I went to the bunnyranch
for a minute and worked.
1265
01:03:39,308 --> 01:03:41,675
I don't have
any problem with dennis.
1266
01:03:41,677 --> 01:03:44,644
It's just that it's not for me,
1267
01:03:44,646 --> 01:03:47,146
'cause it's really
way far out of town,
1268
01:03:47,148 --> 01:03:50,516
And I don't like
the money split there.
1269
01:03:50,518 --> 01:03:52,417
They take half of everything
1270
01:03:52,419 --> 01:03:54,685
And then charge you
for room and board
1271
01:03:54,687 --> 01:03:57,554
And different stuff as well.
1272
01:03:58,522 --> 01:04:02,491
And it gets real slow
during christmas
1273
01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:04,993
'cause it gets real cold there
and it snows and stuff.
1274
01:04:04,995 --> 01:04:09,397
So sometimes there would be
days, two, three, four days
1275
01:04:09,399 --> 01:04:11,799
And not one person
would walk in the door.
1276
01:04:11,801 --> 01:04:16,235
So you end up having
to stay a little bit longer
than you would have
1277
01:04:16,237 --> 01:04:18,237
'cause you're upside down
to the house.
1278
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:21,940
'cause every day
that you're there,
they charge you room and board
1279
01:04:21,942 --> 01:04:23,441
And this and that.
1280
01:04:23,443 --> 01:04:27,411
The adult business
and the escort business
1281
01:04:27,413 --> 01:04:28,745
Are two separate businesses.
1282
01:04:28,747 --> 01:04:30,379
They want nothing
to do with each other.
1283
01:04:30,381 --> 01:04:32,948
In fact, years back,
if you were escorting,
1284
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:35,750
You were blackballed
in the adult industry.
1285
01:04:35,752 --> 01:04:37,752
They would never
hire you again on set
1286
01:04:37,754 --> 01:04:39,253
If they found out
you were escorting.
1287
01:04:39,255 --> 01:04:42,422
You're supposed
to be untouchable
when you're doing film.
1288
01:04:42,424 --> 01:04:45,091
And so that means not
everybody can get to you
1289
01:04:45,093 --> 01:04:46,792
To shoot you or...
1290
01:04:46,794 --> 01:04:49,361
Not everybody could get
to you to have sex with you.
1291
01:04:49,363 --> 01:04:52,731
Otherwise, why would you
buy the video?
1292
01:04:52,733 --> 01:04:55,033
The video has to be the only
place they can get it
1293
01:04:55,035 --> 01:04:56,467
Or it won't sell.
1294
01:04:57,402 --> 01:05:00,837
My free time,
I like to spend shopping.
1295
01:05:01,940 --> 01:05:07,342
With my son.
Or, um...
1296
01:05:07,344 --> 01:05:09,844
Relaxing. I like my horses
1297
01:05:09,846 --> 01:05:13,714
are you a clothes girl?
Or are you a shoes girl?
1298
01:05:13,716 --> 01:05:15,615
I'm shoes. I'm shoes.
1299
01:05:15,617 --> 01:05:17,683
-You have a big collection?
-I'm a shoes girl.
1300
01:05:17,685 --> 01:05:18,884
I do.
1301
01:05:18,886 --> 01:05:22,387
Huge. 800 or so pair.
1302
01:05:22,389 --> 01:05:24,856
Any particular brand
in particular?
1303
01:05:24,858 --> 01:05:26,490
Not in particular.
1304
01:05:26,492 --> 01:05:29,292
It's every brand. Every pair.
1305
01:05:29,294 --> 01:05:33,995
My contracts
progressively got better
throughout the years.
1306
01:05:33,997 --> 01:05:36,864
Dancing progressively
got better too.
1307
01:05:36,866 --> 01:05:40,902
I got a base pay and then
I got two rooms and two tickets.
1308
01:05:40,904 --> 01:05:43,771
'cause I didn't share a room
with my roadie.
1309
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:47,040
And I don't take a split
on merchandise either.
1310
01:05:47,042 --> 01:05:50,009
Some of the clubs want to take,
like, half your money.
1311
01:05:51,444 --> 01:05:53,445
Yeah, I had my own toy line,
1312
01:05:53,447 --> 01:05:55,180
And I had my own line
of realistics,
1313
01:05:55,182 --> 01:05:57,982
Vibrators, and love gels, so.
1314
01:05:57,984 --> 01:06:01,451
They molded my hands,
my face, my crotch,
1315
01:06:01,453 --> 01:06:03,820
My feet...
1316
01:06:03,822 --> 01:06:06,088
My whole body,
I guess.
1317
01:06:06,956 --> 01:06:11,159
There were 25 products
out on the market.
1318
01:06:11,161 --> 01:06:15,262
I would get checks
every two, three months
1319
01:06:15,264 --> 01:06:18,098
For like, 60,000
1320
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,033
And stuff like that.
1321
01:06:20,035 --> 01:06:24,236
I'm old school.
You absolutely know
that gonzo's not my favorite.
1322
01:06:24,238 --> 01:06:27,172
It's something
with a script
and a plot.
1323
01:06:27,174 --> 01:06:29,641
but see, most people
would be surprised
1324
01:06:29,643 --> 01:06:31,909
That'd you want
to have a script and...
1325
01:06:33,011 --> 01:06:34,778
It's so much easier
to go by a script,
1326
01:06:34,780 --> 01:06:37,147
And you're going to work
to pretend to do something,
1327
01:06:37,149 --> 01:06:38,181
To be something, to do.
1328
01:06:38,183 --> 01:06:40,983
I mean, it's an entire act,
so why not?
1329
01:06:40,985 --> 01:06:43,051
I mean, yeah, of course
I'd like to have a script,
1330
01:06:43,053 --> 01:06:45,853
Something to actually do,
work on.
1331
01:06:45,855 --> 01:06:49,489
Not just... Plop up
camera there.
1332
01:06:49,491 --> 01:06:52,357
That takes all the mad
movie magic out of it.
1333
01:06:53,525 --> 01:06:55,392
Yeah, the internet wasn't around
1334
01:06:55,394 --> 01:06:58,061
When I first got
into the business,
1335
01:06:58,063 --> 01:07:02,231
And then it destroyed
the business pretty much.
1336
01:07:02,233 --> 01:07:05,601
People can just
look at the internet and get
whatever they want for free.
1337
01:07:05,603 --> 01:07:09,037
There's no need to put
any kind of production value
into anything.
1338
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:11,672
There's no need to pay
an extra penny for anything
1339
01:07:11,674 --> 01:07:16,142
When it's being shoved
down your throat for free.
1340
01:07:16,144 --> 01:07:19,745
The same opportunities
are not available now
1341
01:07:19,747 --> 01:07:21,680
That were then.
1342
01:07:21,682 --> 01:07:23,581
I produced
an all-girls line
1343
01:07:23,583 --> 01:07:25,482
For vivid
called "chasin' pink"
1344
01:07:25,484 --> 01:07:27,851
And my budgets were $30,000.
1345
01:07:27,853 --> 01:07:31,588
I mean, that was
considered gonzo.
1346
01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:34,991
My "gonzo,"
my $30,000 "gonzo."
1347
01:07:36,094 --> 01:07:38,928
I mean, have you seen
the stuff that's up there?
1348
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:41,729
I mean, I uh...
Last time I checked,
1349
01:07:41,731 --> 01:07:46,399
Bang brothers didn't have
a whole elaborate setup.
1350
01:07:46,401 --> 01:07:48,734
It's different now.
I mean, they shoot something
1351
01:07:48,736 --> 01:07:50,802
In their living room
and throw it on the internet
1352
01:07:50,804 --> 01:07:52,170
And then now
they're a porn star.
1353
01:07:52,172 --> 01:07:54,805
Well, it's not really
paying your dues.
1354
01:07:55,940 --> 01:07:57,240
But okay.
1355
01:07:58,242 --> 01:08:01,076
What would you like to do
after adult films?
1356
01:08:02,478 --> 01:08:04,745
Is there life
after adult films?
1357
01:08:04,747 --> 01:08:07,180
I don't know.
1358
01:08:07,182 --> 01:08:09,315
I don't think so, but...
1359
01:08:09,317 --> 01:08:12,951
Right. Um, next question.
1360
01:08:12,953 --> 01:08:16,186
How would you judge
the future of porn in general?
1361
01:08:17,721 --> 01:08:22,157
I think the future of porn...
1362
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:28,096
Well, my lord, it's the oldest
profession that there is,
1363
01:08:28,098 --> 01:08:31,164
So I pretty much think
it's just gonna get better.
1364
01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:35,468
Yeah, it would take money
to do another scene.
1365
01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:39,038
I mean, the companies now
just aren't really paying.
1366
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,974
If I wanted to shoot
every day, I could.
1367
01:08:41,976 --> 01:08:44,543
I'm just not interested
in shooting every day
1368
01:08:44,545 --> 01:08:50,815
Because I don't really like
to do interracial scenes
too much.
1369
01:08:50,817 --> 01:08:52,783
I don't want to shoot anal.
1370
01:08:52,785 --> 01:08:55,385
And so, that's mostly
what they're shooting
1371
01:08:55,387 --> 01:08:57,387
And I'm just not interested
in shooting that.
1372
01:08:57,389 --> 01:08:59,856
And so, I don't.
1373
01:08:59,858 --> 01:09:03,992
I mean, I've done adult
for a long, long time.
1374
01:09:03,994 --> 01:09:07,762
I mean, there's other things
that can be done
1375
01:09:07,764 --> 01:09:09,697
That I'm also interested in
1376
01:09:09,699 --> 01:09:12,099
That I would like to do
1377
01:09:12,101 --> 01:09:14,901
Since the adult business
doesn't exist anymore.
1378
01:09:14,903 --> 01:09:17,303
Since... Let it go to bed.
1379
01:09:17,305 --> 01:09:18,871
-It's for you.
-Oh!
1380
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:22,274
-Hello?
-Allison?
1381
01:09:22,276 --> 01:09:23,742
fame is real.
1382
01:09:23,744 --> 01:09:26,678
Fame is fun.
1383
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:33,217
I made it so I'd get recognized
when I go to the grocery store.
1384
01:09:35,620 --> 01:09:40,256
Everybody's your
best friend when...
1385
01:09:41,592 --> 01:09:43,124
...When you're a star.
1386
01:09:47,328 --> 01:09:48,795
A person who is paid for sex
1387
01:09:48,797 --> 01:09:52,932
Doesn't necessarily have
any negative repercussions
from that act.
1388
01:09:52,934 --> 01:09:55,601
And some of the things
people have investigated,
1389
01:09:55,603 --> 01:09:58,670
For example, are things like
post-traumatic stress disorder,
1390
01:09:58,672 --> 01:10:00,104
Anxiety disorders.
1391
01:10:00,106 --> 01:10:02,940
And while they may occur more
frequently in that population,
1392
01:10:02,942 --> 01:10:05,676
There's no evidence that
their receiving sex for money
1393
01:10:05,678 --> 01:10:08,345
Caused that problem for them.
1394
01:10:08,347 --> 01:10:12,148
Let's say I'm some
unemployed guy or something
1395
01:10:12,150 --> 01:10:15,384
In the middle of the country
living in a trailer park,
1396
01:10:15,386 --> 01:10:18,620
But I have
the ware-for-all to be able
to save $100 a week up
1397
01:10:18,622 --> 01:10:20,321
So that on
my birthday next year,
1398
01:10:20,323 --> 01:10:24,524
I can buy my favorite hooker
or porn star for an hour.
1399
01:10:24,526 --> 01:10:28,827
Okay, she just fell
off that pedestal,
in my opinion.
1400
01:10:28,829 --> 01:10:32,797
And she became less valuable
to the industry.
1401
01:10:33,732 --> 01:10:36,033
As soon as someone
can have you
1402
01:10:36,035 --> 01:10:39,036
For a price
outside the industry,
1403
01:10:39,038 --> 01:10:41,338
Your value to the industry
goes down.
1404
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:46,108
However, the models use
our industry and our sites
1405
01:10:46,110 --> 01:10:49,478
And the scenes
as advertising
1406
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:53,715
That they're still
an active adult film star.
1407
01:10:53,717 --> 01:10:56,918
people think that once you do
a porn, it's like over with,
1408
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,286
But it's really not.
1409
01:10:58,288 --> 01:11:00,988
Once you do porn, it actually
opens up a door to...
1410
01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:03,724
I walk around,
and I'm walking
1411
01:11:03,726 --> 01:11:04,958
In the like street
the other day,
1412
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,760
And I was just crossing
the like, road.
1413
01:11:07,762 --> 01:11:09,695
I'm crossing the road
and a guy yells out
1414
01:11:09,697 --> 01:11:12,998
By car, "I fucking hate you,
donny sins. You son of a bitch."
1415
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,265
I'm like,
"who are you?"
1416
01:11:14,267 --> 01:11:16,433
He's like, "I watched you
on dogfart the other day.
1417
01:11:16,435 --> 01:11:18,835
"you were fucking
this blonde chick that I love
1418
01:11:18,837 --> 01:11:20,503
And I never got
to fuck her before."
1419
01:11:20,505 --> 01:11:23,439
And you're like...
It opens up avenues for you,
you know what I mean?
1420
01:11:23,441 --> 01:11:25,841
And then it's funny enough
that he cursed me out
1421
01:11:25,843 --> 01:11:27,776
And then offered me
a fucking ride down the street.
1422
01:11:27,778 --> 01:11:29,010
And I'm like,
"no, I'm fine.
1423
01:11:29,012 --> 01:11:31,045
It's a nice day.
I would rather walk."
1424
01:11:45,191 --> 01:11:47,992
Okay, red light's on.
We're recording.
1425
01:11:51,162 --> 01:11:52,295
All right.
1426
01:11:52,297 --> 01:11:54,664
I have no idea
if this is even working.
1427
01:11:54,666 --> 01:11:56,832
I don't know
what the hell I'm doing.
1428
01:11:56,834 --> 01:11:59,000
I just want to make
a tape, okay?
1429
01:11:59,002 --> 01:12:02,336
So, here's me.
1430
01:12:02,338 --> 01:12:03,937
Hope you like it.
1431
01:12:03,939 --> 01:12:07,640
Sit back, relax, and enjoy
the feature presentation.
1432
01:12:07,642 --> 01:12:08,741
Shit.
1433
01:12:08,743 --> 01:12:10,042
This thing on?
1434
01:12:10,044 --> 01:12:12,044
How the hell
am I gonna shut it off?
1435
01:12:15,415 --> 01:12:18,049
and tabitha, what about you?
You're in porno.
1436
01:12:18,051 --> 01:12:19,784
What age did
you start doing porno?
1437
01:12:19,786 --> 01:12:22,052
I started at 25.
I'm 31.
1438
01:12:22,054 --> 01:12:24,220
- you're 31 years old---
-25 is a late start!
1439
01:12:24,222 --> 01:12:25,654
you're a late starter, yeah.
1440
01:12:25,656 --> 01:12:27,756
the way she started...
I said, "how did you start?"
1441
01:12:27,758 --> 01:12:28,923
She said she was
a bored housewife.
1442
01:12:28,925 --> 01:12:29,990
-Yes.
-Really?
1443
01:12:29,992 --> 01:12:31,591
-You were a married woman.
-Yes, I was.
1444
01:12:31,593 --> 01:12:34,393
And you were sitting at home.
Did you watch a lot of porno
at home?
1445
01:12:34,395 --> 01:12:37,529
I only saw half a porno
my whole life.
1446
01:12:37,531 --> 01:12:39,097
I'd have to say
that howard stern
1447
01:12:39,099 --> 01:12:41,966
Has been a very big part
of my career.
1448
01:12:41,968 --> 01:12:46,303
He helped me brand
tabitha stevens.
1449
01:12:47,171 --> 01:12:48,871
And it's a great opportunity.
1450
01:12:48,873 --> 01:12:52,441
And I have to laugh
because I always hear,
1451
01:12:52,443 --> 01:12:56,210
"did you have to sleep
with howard to be on
that many times on his show?"
1452
01:12:56,212 --> 01:12:58,111
And no, never.
1453
01:12:58,113 --> 01:13:01,013
I've never, ever
had sex with howard stern.
1454
01:13:01,015 --> 01:13:04,483
I've never, ever, ever had sex
with howard stern.
1455
01:13:04,485 --> 01:13:07,686
Or anyone from his show,
1456
01:13:07,688 --> 01:13:11,956
Unless it was
a wack pack member, okay?
1457
01:13:11,958 --> 01:13:13,123
There you have it.
1458
01:13:13,125 --> 01:13:16,192
The truth coming
from my mouth to your ears.
1459
01:13:25,367 --> 01:13:26,900
I like, when
I'm going on a set,
1460
01:13:26,902 --> 01:13:28,369
I like to know
what I'm going to do.
1461
01:13:28,371 --> 01:13:30,771
I like to know
who I'm going to do.
1462
01:13:30,773 --> 01:13:32,739
I like to know this
on the porno set.
1463
01:13:32,741 --> 01:13:36,442
-Mm-hmm.
-I like to know what time
I'm going to be finished
1464
01:13:36,444 --> 01:13:38,143
And I like to be
treated with respect.
1465
01:13:38,145 --> 01:13:39,611
That's all there is.
1466
01:13:39,613 --> 01:13:42,213
I mean, that's the one thing.
If you treat me with respect,
1467
01:13:42,215 --> 01:13:45,249
I'll treat you
with 100 times more respect.
1468
01:13:45,251 --> 01:13:48,151
That's all it is.
It's just that.
1469
01:13:49,052 --> 01:13:51,486
In 1993, I got married.
1470
01:13:51,488 --> 01:13:55,155
And I married a guy
who was a super-cool guy.
1471
01:13:55,157 --> 01:13:56,990
Did very well for himself.
1472
01:13:56,992 --> 01:13:59,926
I was a stripper
when I first met him,
1473
01:13:59,928 --> 01:14:01,861
And then I quit obviously.
1474
01:14:01,863 --> 01:14:03,229
And I became a housewife.
1475
01:14:03,231 --> 01:14:05,264
And I was very bored.
1476
01:14:05,266 --> 01:14:08,734
The first video that I shot
was called "rolling thunder."
1477
01:14:08,736 --> 01:14:10,368
It was by vivid entertainment.
1478
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:12,203
Racquel darrian
was on the box cover
1479
01:14:12,205 --> 01:14:14,605
And my scene
was with bobby vitale.
1480
01:14:14,607 --> 01:14:17,774
And it was supposed to
be a girl, but it ended up
being a boy/girl.
1481
01:14:17,776 --> 01:14:19,375
They switched it
on my last minute.
1482
01:14:19,377 --> 01:14:22,244
So, of course I didn't tell
my husband at the time that.
1483
01:14:22,246 --> 01:14:25,347
But I remember--
this is the funniest thing--
1484
01:14:25,349 --> 01:14:28,049
Being nervous
about my dialog.
1485
01:14:28,051 --> 01:14:29,950
The sex I knew I could do,
1486
01:14:29,952 --> 01:14:31,384
'cause I knew I had a...
1487
01:14:31,386 --> 01:14:32,852
You know, I was
real good at that.
1488
01:14:32,854 --> 01:14:33,986
I kinda still am.
1489
01:14:33,988 --> 01:14:35,787
But anyway.
1490
01:14:35,789 --> 01:14:39,890
But my thing was,
what if I don't get
my lines right?
1491
01:14:39,892 --> 01:14:41,091
And I told them that.
1492
01:14:41,093 --> 01:14:43,093
And they're like,
"you're gonna be fine."
1493
01:14:43,095 --> 01:14:45,028
After my scene was over,
1494
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:47,463
Well, I was on a desk.
1495
01:14:47,465 --> 01:14:49,431
I was supposed to be
playing a secretary.
1496
01:14:49,433 --> 01:14:51,065
- imagine that.
-With bobby vitale.
1497
01:14:51,067 --> 01:14:52,199
And when I got up,
1498
01:14:52,201 --> 01:14:54,000
There were phone numbers
imprinted on my ass.
1499
01:14:55,169 --> 01:14:56,468
And I couldn't figure out
what it was.
1500
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:57,902
Like, "oh, my god,
who did this?"
1501
01:14:57,904 --> 01:14:59,403
But, yeah, so it was
kind of interesting.
1502
01:14:59,405 --> 01:15:01,171
But then I got divorced
right after that.
1503
01:15:01,173 --> 01:15:04,807
I had my mom get all
my stuff out of my house,
1504
01:15:04,809 --> 01:15:06,642
You know, got divorced,
1505
01:15:06,644 --> 01:15:08,844
And that was it.
1506
01:15:08,846 --> 01:15:10,579
Never looked back.
1507
01:15:10,581 --> 01:15:14,182
I just couldn't see
myself being an extension
of somebody else's life.
1508
01:15:14,184 --> 01:15:16,117
I mean, he was successful
in what he did
1509
01:15:16,119 --> 01:15:17,418
And he was a great provider,
1510
01:15:17,420 --> 01:15:20,320
And again, I have nothing
against the guy whatsoever.
1511
01:15:20,322 --> 01:15:22,655
But here's the thing.
It's like that was his thing.
1512
01:15:22,657 --> 01:15:24,423
I needed to find my thing
1513
01:15:24,425 --> 01:15:26,925
And it ended up
porn was my thing.
1514
01:15:26,927 --> 01:15:29,160
I just call it
ass-fucking, myself.
1515
01:15:29,162 --> 01:15:30,928
When I got into the business,
1516
01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:33,864
I was told
one really important thing.
1517
01:15:33,866 --> 01:15:36,266
Pace out your career.
1518
01:15:36,268 --> 01:15:39,402
If you want any kind
of longevity,
1519
01:15:39,404 --> 01:15:41,804
Don't do anal scenes
right away.
1520
01:15:41,806 --> 01:15:43,305
Give it a couple of years.
1521
01:15:43,307 --> 01:15:45,807
Don't do
a double penetration
right away.
1522
01:15:45,809 --> 01:15:47,642
Wait for interracial.
1523
01:15:47,644 --> 01:15:48,843
That was a big thing.
1524
01:15:48,845 --> 01:15:50,277
Okay, well,
I didn't know.
1525
01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:51,478
Here I come
into a business.
1526
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,313
I didn't know anybody
in the porn business.
1527
01:15:53,315 --> 01:15:55,081
So, I paced my career.
1528
01:15:55,083 --> 01:15:57,149
It took me what,
about a year and a half,
1529
01:15:57,151 --> 01:15:58,917
Two years to do
my first anal scene?
1530
01:15:58,919 --> 01:16:01,586
Think I've done eight
anal scenes my entire career.
1531
01:16:01,588 --> 01:16:03,621
Maybe eight to ten?
1532
01:16:03,623 --> 01:16:05,155
Double penetration.
1533
01:16:05,157 --> 01:16:08,124
I did that...
Three years later?
1534
01:16:08,126 --> 01:16:09,592
So, I took my time with it.
1535
01:16:09,594 --> 01:16:12,528
It took me 17 years
before I did my first
interracial scene.
1536
01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:14,496
So, I took my time
1537
01:16:14,498 --> 01:16:16,397
So that I wasn't burnt out
1538
01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:18,532
And people weren't burnt out.
1539
01:16:20,067 --> 01:16:21,634
Are you following me again?
1540
01:16:24,504 --> 01:16:26,972
Told you to stop following me.
1541
01:16:26,974 --> 01:16:28,440
no, no, wait.
1542
01:16:29,341 --> 01:16:30,908
I think nowadays
1543
01:16:30,910 --> 01:16:34,177
That the day
of the contract is over.
1544
01:16:34,179 --> 01:16:35,945
And that was
a big deal for us.
1545
01:16:35,947 --> 01:16:37,279
That was a totally big deal
1546
01:16:37,281 --> 01:16:40,448
Because you use that contract
to get on box covers.
1547
01:16:40,450 --> 01:16:41,682
You needed those box covers
1548
01:16:41,684 --> 01:16:43,150
So you could go
on the road dancing.
1549
01:16:43,152 --> 01:16:45,318
You made a lot of money
feature dancing.
1550
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,154
Now, I do know that nowadays
girls still go on the road.
1551
01:16:48,156 --> 01:16:50,856
What happened to being
in those bigger movies
1552
01:16:50,858 --> 01:16:52,891
Where you could be
the only girl on the box cover?
1553
01:16:52,893 --> 01:16:56,427
Now everybody's on the box cover
with gaping assholes.
1554
01:16:56,429 --> 01:16:58,462
I don't think that's attractive.
1555
01:16:58,464 --> 01:17:02,098
Back then it was classier
than I think it is now.
1556
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:06,102
And I think that girls
are doing things nowadays
1557
01:17:06,104 --> 01:17:07,970
That they probably
wouldn't really want to do,
1558
01:17:07,972 --> 01:17:11,106
Like the double anals
or the double vag.
1559
01:17:11,108 --> 01:17:12,674
Because they want
to make the money
1560
01:17:12,676 --> 01:17:16,544
And because there's
so much competition.
1561
01:17:16,546 --> 01:17:18,279
But the art of it
1562
01:17:18,281 --> 01:17:20,381
Is when you're suckin' it,
you gotta twist it.
1563
01:17:20,383 --> 01:17:22,015
You gotta twist it
at the top.
1564
01:17:22,017 --> 01:17:23,349
Remember that,
dave, for later.
1565
01:17:23,351 --> 01:17:26,018
Twist, jerk it,
and twist it and lick it
1566
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:27,185
And go down and up.
1567
01:17:27,187 --> 01:17:28,386
But don't do it in my teeth.
1568
01:17:28,388 --> 01:17:30,721
I mean, they hurt.
These are really good teeth.
1569
01:17:30,723 --> 01:17:31,621
See? They're really good.
1570
01:17:31,623 --> 01:17:33,556
We're all in the sex business.
1571
01:17:33,558 --> 01:17:35,257
And I've heard this said before.
1572
01:17:35,259 --> 01:17:36,758
We're all hoes on this bus
1573
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:42,463
I've heard that now
girls are getting
into the porn business
1574
01:17:42,465 --> 01:17:44,598
So that they can
become escorts.
1575
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,232
That's what's happening now.
1576
01:17:46,234 --> 01:17:49,235
I'm not against it.
Not one bit.
1577
01:17:49,237 --> 01:17:51,270
So, that's why
you really don't see
1578
01:17:51,272 --> 01:17:54,406
The age of
the porn star anymore.
1579
01:17:54,408 --> 01:17:57,275
I think that
there are a very few.
1580
01:17:57,277 --> 01:18:00,144
You still have
your jessica drakes
of the world.
1581
01:18:00,146 --> 01:18:03,113
But you look at jessie today,
and I mean, who else
after jessie?
1582
01:18:03,115 --> 01:18:04,881
I don't really know many girls
1583
01:18:04,883 --> 01:18:06,983
That are now the porn star.
1584
01:18:06,985 --> 01:18:10,619
And now I think
that's the way
they're doing it, is to...
1585
01:18:10,621 --> 01:18:12,187
And I'm not knocking the girls.
1586
01:18:12,189 --> 01:18:15,323
Hey, if that's how they want to
make their money, that's fine.
1587
01:18:15,325 --> 01:18:16,924
Again, be safe about it.
1588
01:18:16,926 --> 01:18:19,059
But I think they're
coming in the industry
to make a little name,
1589
01:18:19,061 --> 01:18:24,297
And then they go out there
and make probably even more
money being an escort.
1590
01:18:26,566 --> 01:18:30,501
So have you ever wondered
why I'm so at ease
1591
01:18:30,503 --> 01:18:32,736
With the adult business
1592
01:18:32,738 --> 01:18:35,638
And when you were
doing movies and whatnot?
1593
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,374
I kind of have an idea,
but what is it?
1594
01:18:38,376 --> 01:18:41,076
Well, it's that...
1595
01:18:41,078 --> 01:18:43,912
I understand
the entertainment value.
1596
01:18:43,914 --> 01:18:47,415
I understand that there's rarely
true passion involved.
1597
01:18:47,417 --> 01:18:48,883
And that at the end of the day,
1598
01:18:48,885 --> 01:18:52,086
It's a job
as most jobs are.
1599
01:18:56,957 --> 01:18:58,424
rolling.
1600
01:18:58,992 --> 01:19:00,592
Cut.
1601
01:19:00,594 --> 01:19:02,827
All right. I'm gonna
get a wide shot
and I'll come back there.
1602
01:19:02,829 --> 01:19:06,430
and the reality of it is,
is it's hard work.
1603
01:19:06,432 --> 01:19:07,731
It's entertainment.
1604
01:19:07,733 --> 01:19:10,800
I knew that you, like anybody
in the adult business
1605
01:19:10,802 --> 01:19:14,236
Has to produce work.
1606
01:19:14,238 --> 01:19:16,538
When I decided
to hang it up,
1607
01:19:16,540 --> 01:19:19,607
With my career,
I'd have to say
1608
01:19:19,609 --> 01:19:23,043
It was pretty much
a joint decision about that.
1609
01:19:23,045 --> 01:19:24,911
-Wouldn't we say?
-Absolutely.
1610
01:19:24,913 --> 01:19:26,078
Yeah, it was.
1611
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,246
Again, I respect gary so much.
1612
01:19:28,248 --> 01:19:30,581
And if gary ever
had a hard time
1613
01:19:30,583 --> 01:19:33,216
And said, you know,
"I really don't want you
to do this anymore.
1614
01:19:33,218 --> 01:19:34,750
Could you please stop?"
I would.
1615
01:19:34,752 --> 01:19:37,552
I just love
and respect my husband.
1616
01:19:37,554 --> 01:19:38,853
And he's the same with me.
1617
01:19:38,855 --> 01:19:40,821
And I just figured, you know,
and it was time.
1618
01:19:40,823 --> 01:19:44,224
It was just time to move on
to bigger and better things.
1619
01:20:07,613 --> 01:20:11,848
tabitha and I spend day
after day after day
1620
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:14,417
Backpacks on our backs,
trekking into the wilderness,
1621
01:20:14,419 --> 01:20:17,119
And we're shooting amazing,
stunning, beautiful
1622
01:20:17,121 --> 01:20:19,321
Fine art photography landscapes.
1623
01:20:19,323 --> 01:20:23,024
And we're producing
and tabitha's core,
absolutely pivotal.
1624
01:20:23,026 --> 01:20:24,425
A lot of the ideas are hers,
1625
01:20:24,427 --> 01:20:26,994
The concepts are hers,
the design.
1626
01:20:26,996 --> 01:20:29,396
And we're producing
and creating these works
1627
01:20:29,398 --> 01:20:32,465
For a fine art
photography gallery,
1628
01:20:32,467 --> 01:20:34,967
-Which is named...
-Savage territory,
1629
01:20:34,969 --> 01:20:36,935
A gary orona gallery.
1630
01:20:37,536 --> 01:20:38,802
How do I say it again?
1631
01:20:38,804 --> 01:20:41,404
-"this is where I am."
-"this is where I am." okay.
1632
01:20:41,406 --> 01:20:42,738
This is where I am now.
1633
01:20:42,740 --> 01:20:45,474
My husband and I own
a fine art photography gallery
1634
01:20:45,476 --> 01:20:49,611
Here, in green river, utah,
called savage territory.
1635
01:20:53,382 --> 01:20:55,983
-Yeah.
-Okay. But I'm just
letting you know I'm more fine.
1636
01:20:55,985 --> 01:20:57,584
I'm really fine.
1637
01:21:08,796 --> 01:21:11,597
I actually do think
about a life after porn.
1638
01:21:11,599 --> 01:21:13,599
I want to either...
1639
01:21:13,601 --> 01:21:15,067
I want to go
to college really.
1640
01:21:15,069 --> 01:21:16,368
I was raised jehovah witness,
1641
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:19,037
So I was in
a really small school
that my family opened.
1642
01:21:19,039 --> 01:21:20,905
So, I've not really been
familiar with like,
1643
01:21:20,907 --> 01:21:22,706
Public schools
or public schooling.
1644
01:21:22,708 --> 01:21:25,875
So, college to me
is gonna be a huge experience.
1645
01:21:25,877 --> 01:21:29,578
So, what I'd like to do is go
and kind of see the colleges
1646
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:31,746
And see the different like paths
that I can take
1647
01:21:31,748 --> 01:21:33,814
'cause I don't even know
really what I want to do
after porn.
1648
01:21:33,816 --> 01:21:35,649
But I don't want to do porn
for the rest of my life.
1649
01:21:35,651 --> 01:21:38,218
I'll probably be in
maybe another year or two
1650
01:21:38,220 --> 01:21:40,220
Is the longest
I would say,
1651
01:21:40,222 --> 01:21:44,324
And then go to a school
and figure out kind of
what I want to do.
1652
01:21:44,326 --> 01:21:45,925
And maybe I'll work
with children
1653
01:21:45,927 --> 01:21:47,793
Or maybe something
like massage therapy
1654
01:21:47,795 --> 01:21:49,561
Or physical therapy maybe.
1655
01:21:52,966 --> 01:21:57,768
I do have a plan for getting out
of porn and performing.
1656
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:59,102
I'm actually a partner
1657
01:21:59,104 --> 01:22:01,270
In the agency
that I'm with right now.
1658
01:22:01,272 --> 01:22:04,006
And we have a production side.
It's called vuluce.
1659
01:22:04,008 --> 01:22:06,541
And we'll be shooting
models for that
1660
01:22:06,543 --> 01:22:10,578
And doing fan sites
and all that good, fun stuff.
1661
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:12,813
I want to have
a family one day.
1662
01:22:12,815 --> 01:22:15,482
So, definitely
on the right track
1663
01:22:15,484 --> 01:22:18,485
To succeeding for that.
1664
01:22:18,487 --> 01:22:20,253
So, I'm excited.
1665
01:22:22,990 --> 01:22:25,358
I got this fantasy job
1666
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,194
That, you know,
I gotta step back
and kind of analyze this here
1667
01:22:29,196 --> 01:22:30,695
And say,
"wait a minute.
1668
01:22:30,697 --> 01:22:34,031
"you know, I can
choose any woman,
1669
01:22:34,033 --> 01:22:37,734
You know, or I could ask
if I can have a scene with her."
1670
01:22:37,736 --> 01:22:42,872
And to know that
I'm gonna be with
most amazing women
1671
01:22:42,874 --> 01:22:46,809
Is just kind of...
Fantasy come true.
1672
01:22:46,811 --> 01:22:49,178
A lot of people have hang up
about me just doing girl/girls,
1673
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:51,446
And oh, it's this,
it's fake and it's shit.
1674
01:22:51,448 --> 01:22:53,080
They can kiss my ass
'cause it's not.
1675
01:22:53,082 --> 01:22:55,015
I don't like, you know,
when a lot of the girl/girls
1676
01:22:55,017 --> 01:22:57,684
Have the, you know,
touch tongues or this.
1677
01:22:57,686 --> 01:23:03,689
I want a connection where
we can hold tight and sweat
1678
01:23:03,691 --> 01:23:07,559
And... Two become as one.
1679
01:23:07,561 --> 01:23:10,962
Life is gonna zoom on by
1680
01:23:10,964 --> 01:23:14,231
And... You know,
1681
01:23:14,233 --> 01:23:18,935
I want to grab and feel things
as much as I can now.
1682
01:23:18,937 --> 01:23:21,671
And I feel here
just recently,
1683
01:23:21,673 --> 01:23:23,539
I want to grab all this stuff.
1684
01:23:23,541 --> 01:23:25,173
And I'm almost in a panic.
1685
01:23:32,146 --> 01:23:35,815
It's been years
since I've been interviewed
1686
01:23:35,817 --> 01:23:38,350
Or in front of a camera.
1687
01:23:38,352 --> 01:23:40,852
Ultimately, this whole industry
1688
01:23:40,854 --> 01:23:43,754
Is a big, fucking
cop out on life.
1689
01:23:43,756 --> 01:23:45,922
You wake up,
you're 47 years old,
1690
01:23:45,924 --> 01:23:48,124
And you ain't got
a pot to piss in.
1691
01:23:48,126 --> 01:23:50,626
Great. 25 years.
Now what are you gonna do?
1692
01:23:50,628 --> 01:23:53,895
Okay, I... It's...
1693
01:23:53,897 --> 01:23:55,196
Now what?
1694
01:24:22,823 --> 01:24:25,624
I remember being
in my childhood house
1695
01:24:25,626 --> 01:24:29,360
And I'm thumbing through
a local pennysaver,
1696
01:24:29,362 --> 01:24:33,430
And I saw
an ad that said
1697
01:24:33,432 --> 01:24:36,733
"wanted: Figure models."
1698
01:24:36,735 --> 01:24:39,302
It was a test shoot
for penthouse.
1699
01:24:39,304 --> 01:24:43,772
You know, I'm wearing
my grandmother's silk robe,
1700
01:24:43,774 --> 01:24:47,275
And I put on
some lee press-on fingernails,
1701
01:24:47,277 --> 01:24:52,412
And we did some makeup
and went to malibu beach.
1702
01:24:52,414 --> 01:24:54,580
Test shot
and lo and behold,
1703
01:24:54,582 --> 01:24:58,984
It was the centerfold
for December '87.
1704
01:25:00,419 --> 01:25:02,420
I was pampered.
1705
01:25:02,422 --> 01:25:05,756
I was loved.
I was wanted.
1706
01:25:05,758 --> 01:25:09,192
From there is where
I met andrew blake.
1707
01:25:09,194 --> 01:25:12,461
And he asked me if I'd be
interested in triple-x.
1708
01:25:12,463 --> 01:25:14,129
At the time
I was married
1709
01:25:14,131 --> 01:25:16,664
And I said, "yeah, I could
venture into triple-x
1710
01:25:16,666 --> 01:25:18,432
As long as it's women only."
1711
01:25:18,434 --> 01:25:21,735
You know, out of courtesy
for my husband at the time.
1712
01:25:21,737 --> 01:25:26,672
And lo and behold,
"hidden obsessions."
1713
01:25:26,674 --> 01:25:29,074
Julia ann and myself were
1714
01:25:29,076 --> 01:25:33,011
At that same time dancing
as blondage.
1715
01:25:33,013 --> 01:25:36,347
We were on the road and,
you know, I told her
1716
01:25:36,349 --> 01:25:38,882
About what has just happened
1717
01:25:38,884 --> 01:25:41,985
With, you know, being asked
to do "hidden obsessions."
1718
01:25:41,987 --> 01:25:44,520
And she came aboard
and then she and I did
1719
01:25:44,522 --> 01:25:47,956
The ice, the infamous
ice dildo scene,
1720
01:25:47,958 --> 01:25:50,224
And that won awards, and...
1721
01:25:52,293 --> 01:25:53,893
We were rockstars.
1722
01:25:59,467 --> 01:26:01,600
♪ come on over
1723
01:26:01,602 --> 01:26:04,269
♪ oh, honey, ooh, ooh
1724
01:26:04,271 --> 01:26:06,571
♪ said, "come on over"
1725
01:26:06,573 --> 01:26:09,640
The bucks were flying in.
1726
01:26:09,642 --> 01:26:13,010
I was just buying cars
for my mom,
1727
01:26:13,012 --> 01:26:15,746
For my sister,
for this person, that person,
1728
01:26:15,748 --> 01:26:17,848
And big houses,
and a lot of stuff.
1729
01:26:17,850 --> 01:26:19,282
I didn't know
what to do with it all.
1730
01:26:19,284 --> 01:26:21,450
It happened so fast.
1731
01:26:21,452 --> 01:26:23,351
I wasn't prepared for it,
1732
01:26:23,353 --> 01:26:25,753
Which led me into taxes.
1733
01:26:25,755 --> 01:26:27,921
I-- and--
1734
01:26:30,124 --> 01:26:32,758
porn star janine lindemulder
is facing federal criminal rap
1735
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,494
For failing to pay
about $80,000 in income tax.
1736
01:26:35,496 --> 01:26:38,864
lindemulder was named last month
in a misdemeanor accusing her
1737
01:26:38,866 --> 01:26:41,166
Of stiffing the irs
for taxes due
1738
01:26:41,168 --> 01:26:45,403
On more than $350,000
of income in 2004.
1739
01:26:45,405 --> 01:26:49,073
Went to prison, misdemeanor,
1740
01:26:49,075 --> 01:26:50,074
Failure to--
1741
01:26:50,076 --> 01:26:53,343
Or willful failure
to pay back taxes.
1742
01:26:53,345 --> 01:26:56,446
That was kind of--
that was the beginning
1743
01:26:56,448 --> 01:26:59,515
Of...
1744
01:26:59,517 --> 01:27:02,217
An incredible...
1745
01:27:02,219 --> 01:27:05,086
Life-altering nightmare.
1746
01:27:06,488 --> 01:27:10,224
janine lindemulder is now locked
in a bitter custody dispute
1747
01:27:10,226 --> 01:27:12,960
With sandra bullock
and her husband jesse james.
1748
01:27:12,962 --> 01:27:15,128
janine lindemulder says
she's a good mother
1749
01:27:15,130 --> 01:27:16,963
And her daughter
is her world.
1750
01:27:16,965 --> 01:27:19,699
But bullock and her husband
jesse james have accused her
1751
01:27:19,701 --> 01:27:21,967
Of everything from drug use
to child neglect
1752
01:27:21,969 --> 01:27:23,735
And are seeking sole custody.
1753
01:27:23,737 --> 01:27:25,103
Now that lindemulder
has finished
1754
01:27:25,105 --> 01:27:27,738
A six-month prison term
for tax evasion,
1755
01:27:27,740 --> 01:27:29,272
She wants her child back,
1756
01:27:29,274 --> 01:27:32,174
Setting the power couple up
for a big fight.
1757
01:27:32,176 --> 01:27:36,477
when the whole sunny custody
thing is happening...
1758
01:27:38,313 --> 01:27:41,915
My ex had his lawyer,
high-priced lawyer.
1759
01:27:41,917 --> 01:27:44,617
I'm there, no lawyer...
1760
01:27:44,619 --> 01:27:48,120
Totally confused
about the situation.
1761
01:27:48,122 --> 01:27:49,254
I'm tatted.
1762
01:27:49,256 --> 01:27:52,090
Judge is looking at
what my line of work is.
1763
01:27:52,092 --> 01:27:54,025
At one point,
she put her papers down,
1764
01:27:54,027 --> 01:27:56,127
Looked me square
in the eyes and said,
1765
01:27:56,129 --> 01:28:00,563
You know, "what happened
to you in your childhood
1766
01:28:00,565 --> 01:28:03,098
To make you
the way you are?"
1767
01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:05,200
And, you know,
she sized me up.
1768
01:28:05,202 --> 01:28:08,102
She saw the tattoos,
she sees that you're
a porn star,
1769
01:28:08,104 --> 01:28:11,104
And it was pretty much
a done deal.
1770
01:28:13,774 --> 01:28:16,609
She...
1771
01:28:16,611 --> 01:28:23,382
Without even giving me
an opportunity to state my case,
1772
01:28:23,384 --> 01:28:25,617
I lost her.
1773
01:28:26,952 --> 01:28:29,720
Being in the industry,
being heavily tattooed
1774
01:28:29,722 --> 01:28:34,457
Definitely changed
the course of my life.
1775
01:28:34,459 --> 01:28:35,691
You know.
1776
01:28:35,693 --> 01:28:39,427
The longer I was away
from my daughter,
1777
01:28:39,429 --> 01:28:43,264
The darker my world became.
1778
01:28:43,266 --> 01:28:47,500
I then found
myself heavily medicated.
1779
01:28:47,502 --> 01:28:52,070
You know, doctors prescribed
anti-depressants,
1780
01:28:52,072 --> 01:28:57,908
Anti-anxiety,
and then pain pills
came into play.
1781
01:28:57,910 --> 01:29:00,844
Vicodin, absolutely
drug of choice.
1782
01:29:00,846 --> 01:29:03,112
Poppin' those tings like candy.
1783
01:29:03,114 --> 01:29:07,248
And just anything
to alleviate
1784
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:12,118
Some of the anguish
that I felt.
1785
01:29:14,521 --> 01:29:18,656
I found myself...
1786
01:29:18,658 --> 01:29:20,724
And this is tough to say,
1787
01:29:20,726 --> 01:29:21,991
But, homeless.
1788
01:29:21,993 --> 01:29:25,828
Homeless in my van
with my cat,
1789
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:29,231
Just trying to make sense
of what's happened.
1790
01:29:29,233 --> 01:29:31,833
Having my daughter
pulled out of my life
1791
01:29:31,835 --> 01:29:33,201
In such a...
1792
01:29:36,638 --> 01:29:38,171
Harsh manner.
1793
01:29:38,173 --> 01:29:39,906
You know, there was
no phone calls.
1794
01:29:39,908 --> 01:29:41,474
There was-- I couldn't
tell her I love her.
1795
01:29:41,476 --> 01:29:44,077
You know, "I'm sorry,
I don't know what's happening.
1796
01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:45,244
I'm trying to get to you."
1797
01:29:45,246 --> 01:29:47,312
Everything was so confused
1798
01:29:47,314 --> 01:29:52,149
And I felt like
I was at a point of...
1799
01:29:54,552 --> 01:29:55,485
I want to check out.
1800
01:29:55,487 --> 01:29:58,287
I want to check out.
I can't deal.
1801
01:29:58,289 --> 01:30:00,455
I don't have the tools.
1802
01:30:00,457 --> 01:30:03,324
When janine was going through
what she went through
1803
01:30:03,326 --> 01:30:05,959
With jesse
and the loss of sunny,
1804
01:30:05,961 --> 01:30:08,261
I thought I was gonna lose her.
1805
01:30:08,263 --> 01:30:11,463
I thought I was gonna lose her.
1806
01:30:13,265 --> 01:30:15,065
And because she suffered,
1807
01:30:15,067 --> 01:30:18,501
She suffered so,
so deeply.
1808
01:30:18,503 --> 01:30:20,536
You know, I couldn't get
the knife out.
1809
01:30:20,538 --> 01:30:22,538
I couldn't make it right.
1810
01:30:22,540 --> 01:30:25,607
Everything I tried,
it was not enough.
1811
01:30:25,609 --> 01:30:27,508
To replace sunny...
1812
01:30:29,611 --> 01:30:32,379
Was all I wanted to do,
was get her back
1813
01:30:32,381 --> 01:30:34,247
And get her
in her arms again,
1814
01:30:34,249 --> 01:30:37,016
And we just
didn't have the power.
1815
01:30:37,018 --> 01:30:39,852
We didn't have what,
you know, he had
1816
01:30:39,854 --> 01:30:43,455
As far as power and money,
and, you know.
1817
01:30:43,457 --> 01:30:45,557
He's an unworthy father and...
1818
01:30:47,026 --> 01:30:51,528
I finally have the nerve
to call a suicide hotline.
1819
01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:53,096
Call 'em up, I said,
1820
01:30:53,098 --> 01:30:55,064
"man, I don't know
what's happening here.
1821
01:30:55,066 --> 01:30:56,965
I need to talk
to somebody."
1822
01:30:56,967 --> 01:31:01,135
And funny but sad,
1823
01:31:01,137 --> 01:31:04,037
The woman picks up the phone
and she says,
1824
01:31:04,039 --> 01:31:07,940
"we're really sorry,
but the doctor's not in."
1825
01:31:07,942 --> 01:31:10,776
And I'm like,
"are you fucking kidding me?
1826
01:31:10,778 --> 01:31:13,111
Okay. All right,
I'll call back."
1827
01:31:13,113 --> 01:31:17,114
So, I'm kind of laughing,
crying at this point
1828
01:31:17,116 --> 01:31:20,117
And right then and there,
I said, "okay.
1829
01:31:20,119 --> 01:31:23,153
Enough is enough.
I've got to pull this together."
1830
01:31:27,491 --> 01:31:28,424
I went to rehab.
1831
01:31:28,426 --> 01:31:31,727
I was in rehab
for a month.
1832
01:31:31,729 --> 01:31:33,895
And everybody at this point
1833
01:31:33,897 --> 01:31:35,196
Thought I was
just out of my mind.
1834
01:31:35,198 --> 01:31:37,131
"oh, she's a meth head.
Oh, she's on crack."
1835
01:31:37,133 --> 01:31:39,199
No, no, I'm lost.
1836
01:31:39,201 --> 01:31:45,505
I'm fucking heartbroken
beyond words.
1837
01:31:45,507 --> 01:31:47,340
At the same time,
1838
01:31:47,342 --> 01:31:51,077
I'm subjecting myself
to looking on the internet
1839
01:31:51,079 --> 01:31:53,312
And looking at people
comparing me
1840
01:31:53,314 --> 01:31:56,348
To america's sweetheart,
sandra bullock, saying,
1841
01:31:56,350 --> 01:31:59,084
"well, janine deserves
to lose her kid.
1842
01:31:59,086 --> 01:32:02,487
She's this cracked out,
you know, porn whore."
1843
01:32:02,489 --> 01:32:07,992
And, you know,
"sandra bullock is, you know,
the best thing for sunny."
1844
01:32:07,994 --> 01:32:10,227
And it-- that's just
bringing me down.
1845
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:13,196
And I'm going,
"how am I gonna do this?"
1846
01:32:15,232 --> 01:32:18,500
Do I want my daughter
to do what I've done?
1847
01:32:18,502 --> 01:32:20,535
Fuck no.
1848
01:32:20,537 --> 01:32:22,136
No way.
1849
01:32:40,787 --> 01:32:43,455
I'm still--
I'm in limbo.
1850
01:32:43,457 --> 01:32:47,559
I don't know
what the future holds.
1851
01:32:51,063 --> 01:32:52,763
Do I go back to school?
1852
01:32:52,765 --> 01:32:54,564
Am I gonna be a waitress?
1853
01:32:54,566 --> 01:32:55,264
I don't know.
1854
01:32:55,266 --> 01:32:57,299
It's really kind of a...
1855
01:32:58,234 --> 01:33:01,236
An odd time
of my life right now.
1856
01:33:01,238 --> 01:33:03,271
I'm trying to figure that out
1857
01:33:03,273 --> 01:33:06,173
And, you know,
make my next move.
1858
01:33:08,176 --> 01:33:12,779
I've gotta have
the backbone to do it.
1859
01:33:12,781 --> 01:33:14,647
You know.
1860
01:33:14,649 --> 01:33:17,049
So far...
1861
01:33:17,051 --> 01:33:18,817
I don't.
1862
01:33:18,819 --> 01:33:21,352
I don't have it.
1863
01:33:21,354 --> 01:33:23,687
But it's getting there,
you know.
1864
01:33:23,689 --> 01:33:25,355
It's a work in progress.
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