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Moore: My work often
leads me to dark places ‐‐

violent crime, murder,
and the pain left behind.

But when I meet people
like Carla Brooks,

who triumphed over
a terrifying ordeal,

I'm reminded of people's
inherent strength and goodness.

This is all new for me,

and it's also
uncharted territory

for the police
and for the courts.

Not long after I met Carla,

my techniques ‐‐ and it felt
like my entire career ‐‐

were about to be put on trial.

I'm CeCe Moore.

For years,
genealogy was my hobby,

and then it became my career.

Soon, I realized

that the techniques I developed
to reunite families

could also be used
to identify killers.

Now my team and I

help the police hunt
violent criminals.

I'm a new kind of detective.

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♪♪

When I first joined forces
with Parabon in April 2018,

people were thinking about
genetic genealogy

as a tool for a cold case.

But it only took a couple weeks
for things to change

when I first received
a new opportunity

to really extend the boundaries

of what genetic genealogy
could accomplish.

That was the Carla Brooks case.

Carla Brooks was 79 years old.

She's lived in St. George,
a town in Southern Utah,

for most of her adult life.

I married Karl Brooks after
we'd gone together for a year,

and that would've been in 1965.

I was his queen,
and we never argued.

He'd just say,
"Everything will be okay."

So, that's the way it was.

Miller: Karl died in 2015,

and since then, Carla had been
living at their home

in St. George alone.

We never had any trouble up here

in our little quiet
neighborhood.

But then when this happened,

it was, um...

[ Clicks tongue ]
It was really horrific.

On April 17th in 2018,

I was in bed, I was asleep,
and it was dark,

and there was just a night‐light
in my room.

And a fellow came into my home,

and, uh, he rubbed my shoulder.

And just 'cause I was asleep,
I thought, "Well, that's Karl."

But I turned around,
and it wasn't.

And he put a rag in my mouth.

And then he clenched it
like this

and whipped me around
with my neck

this way and that way
and this way.

And I fought,
and I fought like a tiger,

but I didn't win.

After he had gone,

I was so overwhelmed with it
and so hurt...

[ Camera shutter clicks ]

...and I cried.

I just couldn't believe it.

I had been raped.

Wilson: Our police department
has 11 detectives,

and each of those detectives
is assigned a certain area.

There's sex crimes,
there's people crimes.

I cover property crime ‐‐
thefts, burglaries.

But on the week of
April 17, 2018,

I was on call.

And about 1:30 in the morning,
I was contacted

to come in and process a scene

and to conduct an interview
of the victim.

A sexual assault
on a, uh, elderly female,

to me, was extremely different.

And I thought,

how would
my own grandmother feel

sitting down with a detective

and describing in ‐‐ in full
detail a sexual assault?

Brooks: They asked me
what color his hair was,

how tall he was, how he got in.

Wilson: Carla said that
he was a white male

and had dirty blond
or dark curly hair

and possibly in his 30s.

She suspected that he came in
through the sliding glass door.

This door, right here.

He came through this door,
right here.

I can't lock that door

because it kind of
goes at an angle,

so I can't lift it up
to put the lock on it

'cause it's so heavy.

Wilson:
After we interviewed Carla,

we drove Carla
to the emergency room

where a sexual assault kit
was administered.

Moore: When I heard
the details of the case,

I just couldn't imagine

my mother, who's the same age,
being in that position.

[ Camera shutter clicks ]

Wilson: The crime scene
was rather simple

because there wasn't
a lot to process.

We documented that room
with photographs,

and we fingerprinted
all the entryways,

looking for any
additional evidence,

and we didn't locate any.

Once we were finished
processing the area,

we left with one major piece
of evidence,

and it was the DNA evidence
left by the suspect.

In Carla's bed, police found
a large semen stain.

Wilson: We bagged the sheets
as evidence,

and we reached out to
our Utah State crime lab.

They were able to build
the DNA profile,

and they submitted that
into CODIS.

We had to wait a few weeks
to get that information,

but we were hitting any and
every kind of lead that we had.

We conducted a canvass
of her neighborhood.

We focused on people
who had surveillance systems

or doorbell surveillance cameras

in hopes that we would
catch a glimpse

of any suspicious activity.

But we weren't able to
establish any type of suspect.

Miller: In today's world,
you usually see crimes

that might have more
of an electronic trail.

Maybe there's
surveillance video,

maybe there were
cellphone records,
something like that.

And in this case,
that just wasn't there.

I was surprised that they had
so little other evidence

outside the DNA.

Wilson: But I was still
pretty hopeful

that we would get a good hit
off of CODIS.

Miller: This is
a very egregious crime,

and it seemed like someone

who might have a criminal
history in the past.

But they got the results back,
and there wasn't a match.

Moore: CODIS is only as good as
what's been uploaded to it.

According to some studies,

CODIS is biased
toward minorities,

and people of African American
or Latin American descent

are disproportionately
represented in the database.

According to
the 2010 Census records,

St. George is over 80% white,

or, as I would define it,

of primarily
Northwestern European ancestry.

Wilson:
Three weeks after the attack,
we've exhausted all leads.

I just had already
made up my mind

that they'll never find him.

But what worried me
was that he would come back.

And he knew
exactly where she was.

Wilson: He was still out there,
so there is more people at risk

wherever this guy went.

We needed to catch him
as soon as we could.

So, we had to do
something different,

and so I started googling DNA.

I thought if genetic DNA
technology can be used

to solve cases
that happened 30 years ago,

why can't it be used on a case
that happened three weeks ago?

It was definitely
out‐of‐the‐box thinking.

So, I really started looking
into genetic genealogy,

and I came across and got
in touch with CeCe Moore.

Moore:
This was not someone who had
been in contact with Parabon,

so when Detective Wilson
reached out to me directly,

that was a first,

and it felt very,
very different.

This was not a cold case at all.

I had no idea that it would be
CeCe's first hot case.

I was working on
exclusively cold cases.

I knew that an active case
would be even more intense,

but it felt extremely urgent,

and it was a heavy burden

knowing that this person
was still out there

and could strike again
at any time.

Moore: When Detective Wilson
wrote to me,

I immediately responded,

because I was really interested
in the possibility

of such an active case.

If active cases utilized
genetic genealogy going forward,

thousands of cases
could come in to Parabon

in the coming months and years.

And that is really exciting
to me.

So, I knew it was a big deal

because this case
could have a significant impact

on the future of
investigative genetic genealogy.

So, I decided I wanted to learn

everything there was to learn
about this particular case.

Hi.
Hi. How are you?

Good.
Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you.

I was kind of thinking
that we were going to

have this wrapped up
in a week or two.
Mm‐hmm.

And when we got zero
results from CODIS...
Mm‐hmm.

...it kind of scared me
a little bit,

like, this ‐‐ I don't
want this to go cold.
Yeah.

And, you know, honestly,
I was getting desperate,

and, uh, I was surfing
the Internet

for any type
of DNA information.

And I was like,
"Who's CeCe Moore?"

Mm‐hmm.
And I got to looking
into what you did.

It was
pretty impressive.

It was unusual
for someone...
Yeah.

...to reach out to me directly
versus through Parabon.

Well, Carla's incident,
in my opinion,

is everybody's
worst nightmare.

Did you know Carla before?

No, but the case
perked the community up.

She was a schoolteacher
for 30‐plus years, maybe?

Yeah, she seems
very beloved.

Did Carla inspire you?

She sounds like she was
a very unusual survivor.

Oh, absolutely.

It was clear that the person
that Carla is

made this have a profound effect

both on Detective Wilson
and the greater community.

Brooks: I came to teach
in St. George in 1964,

and then we built this home
in '71.

And it was wonderful
for the children

because there's all kinds
of kids up here,

and we had great friends.

But it's changed so much.

Once Karl wasn't here,
it was very difficult.

I've been through
lots of things,

but when this happened,

that's a whole different
situation.

[ Voice breaking ]
But my mother taught me
when I was young

to love everybody.

So, I just said,
"Well, if somebody

goes through
what I had to go through,

then maybe I can help them."

News 4 Utah's Lauren Matthias
spoke with a woman

who says the attack
changed her outlook on life.

As Carla Brooks explains it...

Miller:
Days after the attack,

Carla was spending her time
doing activism.

Matthias: Carla says she wants

to help other survivors.

She donated $5,000

to The Dove Center,

a shelter for women
in Southern Utah,

as well as The Children's
Justice Center in St. George.

Carla is continuing
to raise money

to help organizations that help
survivors of sexual assault.

You can...

Moore:
Carla, from the beginning,

she had come forward,

and I knew
who I was doing this for.

That's very unusual
in a rape case,

that I would know
who the victim was.

For Carla, her driving force
throughout her whole life

had been helping other people,

and that just continued,

even as a survivor

of sexual assault.

I can imagine

for someone like Carla,
who's elderly,

from a tight‐knit
religious community,

that it would be
especially difficult

to have to report
a crime like this.

[ Camera shutter clicks ]

Wilson: When this happened,
people would tell her,

"Hey, you don't need
to tell anybody about this.

You don't need to
talk about it."

I think, in a small place,

you think, "Oh, I can't
say anything," you know?

[ Camera shutter clicks ]

But if you know
something's wrong,

if you're trying to make
something better,

there can't be any fear
in doing it.

She's strong ‐‐ very strong.

Huge example to ‐‐ to survivors.

It was a top priority case,
for me and for my department.

And, uh, I think
it was a top priority

for the community, as well.

I could understand why
the community was so motivated

to find her attacker,
hold him accountable,

and also to protect her.

I absolutely wanted to help
identify this suspect

for Detective Wilson
and for Carla.

Greytak: And so that was
a decision we had to make

was do we want to
prioritize this

above people
who have been waiting,

and we had this whole queue
of analyses

that we needed to do
on all of these cold cases.

But CeCe was looking at the
details of this case and said,

"If we can find him now,
let's do it.

Let's figure out who that person
is as soon as possible

before they can do it again."

There were dozens of cases
waiting for my attention,

but we decided to push it to
the very top of the pile,

no matter how difficult it is
and no matter how long it took.

Using genetic genealogy

for the first time
in an active case

is historic.

And I was excited
about how it could impact

the future of crime solving.

But I was also involved
in another historic event

that could have
an even bigger impact.

In the summer of 2019,

the very first case that I ever
worked on for law enforcement

was going to trial.

Last year, I worked on

the Jay Cook
and Tanya Van Cuylenborg

double homicide
in Washington State.

It had been over 30 years
since they had been murdered.

Reporter: The investigation
moved to this area

beneath the High Bridge
near Monroe.

That's where the body

matching the description
of 20‐year‐old Jay Cook

was discovered yesterday.

Cook and 18‐year‐old
Tanya Van Cuylenborg

were first reported missing
November 19th,

when they failed to return home
to Victoria, B. C.,

from a trip to Seattle.

Tanya's body was found

alongside a rural road,
near Mount Vernon.

In 1987, Jay and Tanya
were murdered,

and investigators tried
everything they could

to identify their killer.

But very quickly,

over a matter of only
a couple hours,

the genetic genealogy pointed me

right toward
William Earl Talbott II.

His DNA matched the DNA

found at the crime scene
30 years earlier,

and the police department
arrested him.

He denied having anything to do
with it and pled not guilty.

The Talbott trial
was incredibly important

for the future of this
revolution of crime fighting.

We had had
some convictions already

on cases that I had worked,

but they were all
through guilty pleas.

There had been no precedent set,

so this was the first time

where a judge and a jury
were going to weigh in.

I knew that the outcome
could potentially dictate

the future of genetic genealogy
in law enforcement

and thus my work
for people like Carla.

So, a lot was at stake.

Everything was on the line.

♪♪

Moore:
It's very important to see
the outcome of these cases...

[ Light switch clicks ]

...because I get
emotionally invested in them.

This is some raw footage

of the
William Earl Talbott II trial

that I was able to get access to
since I didn't get to be there.

Bailiff: ...Linda C. Krese
presiding.
Good morning.

Very nice ‐‐ a female judge.

Reporter:
A landmark trial opened today
in Washington State.

The trail was cold
for three decades,

then police mined
a public genealogy database

and found a suspect.

It's the first time
this controversial
forensics technique

will be tested in court.

The trial is expected to
set a precedent

on the use
of family tree forensics

in police investigations.

The first case that I worked on

was the first case
that went to a jury trial.

Even though the Golden State
Killer suspect was arrested

before William Earl Talbott,

the William Earl Talbott II case
made it to trial first.

If it hadn't been
for genetic genealogy,

we wouldn't be
standing here today.

Moore:
There were lots of eyes on the
William Earl Talbott II trial

because the future of
investigative genetic genealogy

relied on the outcome.

Baldock:
In the fall of 2018,

I was assigned to
prosecute the case

against William Talbott.

Frankly, it was the first time
I had even heard about

genetic genealogy
as a new forensic tool.

I started thinking about some of
the potential legal issues

surrounding the use
of genetic genealogy,

and one of the most obvious ones
is thinking about it

from a legal‐privacy
point of view.

Was the way that the police
got to Mr. Talbott

a violation
of his right to privacy?

Was uploading
this crime scene profile

to a public DNA database,

identifying relatives
and family members

through the genealogy process

somehow overreaching
by law enforcement?

People are wary of having
that kind of data exposed.

So, our goal was to make sure

that genetic genealogy
was presented

as really just another lead

like the many others
the police had gotten before.

Moore: I was scheduled to
testify as an expert witness

in the Talbott trial.

But at the 11th hour,

I was informed
that they had decided

I did not need to be a witness.

We reached an agreement
with the defense

to allow a detective,
Jim Scharf,

to talk about the work that
Parabon and CeCe Moore had done,

including the results
implicating Mr. Talbott.

Moore: It's disappointing to not
be part of this historic trial

and get to be up there
with the families

and Detective Scharf in person.

Harleman:
A genetic genealogist
was able to determine

who contributed that DNA.

One question you will not have

is who was responsible for those
extremely violent murders

of Jay and Tanya.

And that could only be one
person, and it's Mr. Talbott.

Reporter:
Talbott's lawyer told the jury

the presence of DNA does not
mean his client is a killer.

Genetic genealogy, that you
heard briefly about here,

the prosecutor said

it's a good tool
for catching perpetrators,

which is inaccurate.

It's ‐‐ It's a good tool for
giving prosecutors insight

into who left particular
biological evidence.

Whether that person
was the perpetrator or not,

other evidence
would need to show that.

Moore: If there was any type
of negative ruling

regarding
the genetic genealogy use,

if the judge disallowed it
in this case,

this could make or break
what we're doing.

I want to be able to
provide answers

to the victims
and their families.

Even if it's a very cold case,

it always feels like
a race against time.

But this was even one more step,
because with Carla Brooks' case,

now it was potentially
a life‐or‐death situation.

I felt a lot of pressure

knowing that this person
was out there

and potentially still active.

So, I wanted to get
that DNA processing

as quickly as possible
so I could jump right in.

The only hurdle
that we had with this

is the funding.

But we ran it up the chain,
and we got it approved.

I was able to go to the crime
lab up in Salt Lake City

and pick up the sample,

and I overnighted the sample
to Parabon.

Armentrout: Most of the cases

that were being analyzed
for genetic genealogy

are decades old.

This was a completely new thing.

We pride ourselves in
innovating around here,

but it was particularly exciting

because this was our first
active genetic genealogy case.

There was a definite urgency,

not just with CeCe,
but with all of us involved.

Moore: I really felt like

if I didn't find him
in the next couple days,

there was a good chance
that he could strike again.

Moore: On the weekend
of July 6, 2018,

I received the matches
from GEDmatch,

and I didn't want
to wait another hour

to try to help identify
Carla's attacker.

So, our call rate was
really strong in this case.

It was 98.4%.

Now, why is it different?

This is an active case,

so this is a fresh DNA sample.

There was a grouping of matches,

and that is our first
genetic network.

And the match at the top
was about 185 centimorgans.

They're possibly second cousins
with this unknown suspect.

Couple other possibilities.

Every generation,
the shared amount of DNA

is halved approximately.

If they're second cousins,
they shared great grandparents,

so I'm gonna make sure
I have the tree

going back
to great grandparents.

And there was a second
grouping of matches

who shared DNA
with the unknown suspect,

but they don't share DNA

with the first
genetic network matches.

This is genetic network #2 ‐‐

the different branches
of the family tree.

My top match is only sharing

about 70 centimorgans
with this unknown suspect,

so maybe a third cousin.

So I'm gonna make sure
I have the tree going back

to great‐great grandparents.

So, now what do I have to do?

I got to build
their family trees, right?

Trying to find
their common ancestor.

The common ancestral couple
for genetic network #1

was Charles Morris
and Elizabeth Margaret Hanna.

Charles Morris was born in 1875
in Boston, Massachusetts.

He not only had three degrees
from Harvard

and he practiced law,

he even worked as secretary

of the Woodrow Wilson
Businessmen's Committee

for the League of Nations.

And so, this was
a well‐established family.

They had seven children,
six who lived to adulthood.

So, for genetic network #2,
the common ancestors

were Amos Holdeman
and Nancy Yoder,

married about 1829 in
Bucks County, Pennsylvania,

which, by the way,
I have ancestors from.

They were both in
the Mennonite community.

They had nine children,
all of whom lived to adulthood.

So, that's a pretty big family.

Next, what I have to do is start
building forward in time,

doing that reverse genealogy.

Coming down from
the common ancestors

and building forward
is much more time‐intensive.

Those trees just get huge.

Somehow, those two genetic
networks I had identified

had to come together
and triangulate

in order for me to find
Carla's attacker.

I was concerned on this case

that that was going to be
really challenging.

And I kind of hit a brick wall.

And I'm just working and working
and working and working

to try to get
that little glimmer of hope,

that little glimmer of light
at the end of the tunnel,

and I don't even stop to eat.

So if I didn't have Lennart
putting food in front of me,

I just wouldn't eat
for a few days,

which is the way I used to be.

I'd be a lot thinner.
[ Laughs ]

I ended up
with two genetic networks,

but there was a third aspect

that was really important,
as well,

and that is that I was seeing
lots of matches

that had full
Puerto Rican backgrounds,

and I thought,
"Oh, how interesting."

It's certainly a clue

because the unknown suspect
had to have

some Puerto Rican ancestry.

So that means

that a descendant
is going to have to marry

or at least have a child
with someone

with a Latin American surname.

So, when I follow
this hypothesis,

in the first genetic network,
I found that Charles Morris Jr.

married Dorothy Grace Rivera.

Aha!

That's promising.

Dorothy's father
is William Rivera,

born in Puerto Rico.

Hallelujah.

So, now that I found
the Puerto Rican ancestry,

I can eliminate the rest
of the family tree

for genetic network #1

and focus in on that one branch.

But there's always snags ‐‐

always, always, always,
always snags.

[ Laughs ]

This family was based
on the East Coast,

they were apparently
pretty happy where they were,

so they weren't coming west.

And I needed to find a family

that somehow ended up
at least near St. George.

I couldn't find them,
so I really needed to have

that second genetic network

point me
in the right direction.

And I run into a great‐grandson
of Amos and Nancy Holdeman

who dies in St. George in 1973.

Ah‐ha‐ha! Finally! Finally.

His name is George Monnett.

I know that the suspect has
to be descended from him,

and he also has to be descended
from genetic network #1,

through Charles Jr.
and his wife, Dorothy Rivera.

George Monnett ‐‐ his grandson
is about the right age

to be the parent of our suspect.

Who are his grandsons?

Do they marry someone
from the Morris family?

So, I find a granddaughter
of Charles Morris Jr.

and his wife, Dorothy Rivera,

who has the same
first name as the wife

of one of the grandsons
of George Monnett.

And I start thinking,

"What if this is
the same person?"

And she is indeed
that granddaughter.

So, she had gotten from
the East Coast

all the way over to St. George,

married
George Monnett's grandson,

and they had a family
of eight children ‐‐

four boys and four girls.

So, what this meant was
my genetic networks

had all converged at this one
family that had four sons.

When all the pieces
come together

and it's in the right location,
it can't be a coincidence.

The unknown suspect had to be
one of these four brothers.

Moore:
The weekend of July 6, 2018,
I barely got any sleep.

But in the end,

I knew that it had to be
one of the Monnett brothers

that was Carla's attacker.

Wilson: On July 9th,
we were contacted by Parabon,

and we were gonna have
a conference with CeCe Moore.

I was amazed.
It's happening so quickly.

When I was able to
provide these leads

to Detective Wilson
and his team,

it was the biggest relief
to date.

We were looking at four
possible strong suspects.

The Monnett brothers,
they all grew up here.

Miller: The oldest brother
was Spencer Monnett.

The police find out that Spencer
has a warrant here in Utah.

Wilson: It's a small traffic
warrant, no big deal.

So I decided to
give him a call,

and he informed me
that he forgot all about that

and was more than willing
and cooperative

to get it taken care of.

Moore:
Detective Wilson informed me

that Spencer Monnett
was scheduled

to come into
the police department,

so I was on pins and needles.

Miller: On July 28th,
Spencer showed up

to the St. George
Police Department.

When I get to the office,

Spencer's in the interview room
with my sergeant.

Hey, Josh.

Hey.
Spencer.
How are ya?

How you doing, man?
Good.

Wilson: I had a warrant
for his DNA,

and I was ready
to take that from him.

Spencer is not a person who
has been in trouble before.

He has no criminal history.

But still, we didn't know
what was gonna happen.

Married, single,
divorced?

[ Laughs ]

Oh.

Oh, man.

I was...

[ Smacks lips ]

He provided us
a full confession.

My jaw was on the ground.

I didn't expect that at all.

He wasn't doing so good,

and he was making
some wrong choices in life.

I collected his DNA,

and we sent that to
the crime lab for verification,

and it came back as a match.

There was no doubt that we had
identified Carla's attacker

and that she was now safe.

And I was really happy to hear

that Spencer took responsibility
for what he did.

Over a matter of only
a couple of weeks,

he was stopped
before he hurt anyone else.

Randall: Tight fit.

I think he was ready to have
this off his shoulders.

Spencer was charged with rape,

object rape, burglary,
and assault.

♪♪

Wilson: We booked him into
the jail on July 28, 2018.

I went over to Carla's house.

Brooks: He knocked at the door,

and I thought, "Oh,
he's just gonna come in

to see if I'm doing okay."

But he came right into my house,
and he had tears in his eyes.

She's looking at me like,
"Why are you crying?"

And he said, "We caught him."

I was so grateful.

[ Voice breaking ]
I knelt down and thanked
my Heavenly Father

that they had caught him.

It was a great feeling
to sit there

and just look at her face and...

feel pressure leave her body.

It was unbelievable.

Moore: It was clear
that genetic genealogy

could be extremely powerful
and effective in an active case.

We were able to provide
Carla and her family

answers very quickly.

It's a good example
of how we can avoid

letting violent criminals
go free for years or decades,

like they have traditionally
in these cold cases.

However, at the time I was
working the Carla Brooks case,

a judge and jury
had not yet ruled

on the use of genetic genealogy
for law‐enforcement purposes,

and a lot was riding
on how things were gonna go

in the Talbott Trial.

Reporter: Every day during
this double‐murder trial,

Tanya Van Cuylenborg
and Jay Cook's family members

sat in the public gallery.

During the trial,

the prosecution
presented evidence

pointing to William Talbott
as the killer.

Moore:
We know his DNA is a match.

There's no question
that genetic genealogy

led to the contributor
of that crime‐scene DNA,

but it's up to the jury
to decide

whether there is enough evidence
to convict.

Is there still room
for reasonable doubt?

Reporter: Attorneys making their
closing arguments Tuesday,

but the defense saying
nothing other than DNA

connects Talbott to the couple.

If you are sitting
here thinking,

"Where is the other
forensic evidence?",

your answer is "not guilty."

It's a cloud of dots
to begin with,

but when you follow the dots,
you end up with a picture.

And that's really the approach

that I encourage you
to take in this case

and find the defendant
guilty as charged.

When a jury goes away
to deliberate on a case,

it is nerve‐racking.

Cohen: A first‐of‐its‐kind trial
is now in the jury's hands.

Jury deliberations begin
in the morning.

One attorney telling me
they should have a verdict

by week's end,

though it could take
much longer.

Moore:
It was very difficult for me to
imagine what they were thinking,

what they were going
to decide in the end.

I didn't think this was
necessarily a sure thing,

so I was nervous.

[ Indistinct talking
on television ]

There was a lot of eyes on this
trial, waiting for the outcome.

Baldock: The jury deliberated
for about a day and a half.

I didn't really know
what to expect.

Moore:
Maybe the jury would decide

there wasn't enough evidence
to convict.

The jury returned with
a verdict on June the 28th.

Moore: This is the family.

These are the people
that I am most concerned about.

I am sure they are
extremely nervous right now.

After 31 years ‐‐
31 years of waiting.

The State of Washington vs.
William Earl Talbott II,

Verdict Form One.

We, the jury,
find the defendant,

William Earl Talbott II,

guilty of the crime
of first‐degree murder...

♪♪

Moore: It ‐‐ You know, it is
impossible to put into words.

Everybody here
followed the trial closely.

It's an important milestone

because now we have
a conviction by jury.

As important as it is that there
was a conviction on a case

where investigative
genetic genealogy

was successfully applied,

it's even more important that
this family has a resolution.

I'm John Van Cuylenborg.

I'm Tanya Van Cuylenborg's
older brother.

Our family's very grateful
for all of the people

that helped
bring this to fruition.

CeCe Moore moved this case
forward very quickly.

Steve Armentrout and Parabon,

all of whom contributed
very significantly.

And really, you know,
their core value

in that genetic genealogy
community

is about helping families,

and I think that's what
you've seen them do today.

Now, this one trial doesn't
put all of the questions

about investigative
genetic genealogy to rest.

There are other upcoming trials

that may handle it
in a different way,

so this is not the final word.

Baldock:
There will be an appeal,

and so a lot of the issues
that came up at trial

will be tested then.

Whether the case is submitted

to the Supreme Court for appeal
after that

won't be decided
for several more years.

There will be challenges,
we can be certain of that,

but we're very confident

that genetic genealogy
as a practice

is going to survive.

Moore: I anticipate
that the outcome of this trial

means that there will be
many more cases

that will utilize
genetic genealogy going forward,

and we should be able
to bring answers

to thousands of victims
and their families,

just like Carla.

Brooks:
Spencer, he admitted to it,

but then the next thing sets in.

What's gonna happen now?

Judge: I'm calling the case of

the State
vs. Spencer Glenn Monnett.

Moore: Months later,
when Spencer had his sentencing,

Carla and her family
all attended.

Spencer pleaded guilty
on February 28th.

Carla also spoke at that
sentencing hearing.

I'm Carla Brooks.

Spencer, I'm glad

that I couldn't see
your face that night...

so I can look at you today
with no fear.

I also want to say for you,
and for me...

[ Sniffles ]
...that I forgive you.

Moore: Carla's
such an amazing person

that she publicly
forgave Spencer.

I can't imagine what that
must have been like.

I have wanted to
meet Carla Brooks

for a very long time.

I was really looking forward
to the opportunity.

I hear it from so many
sexual‐assault victims ‐‐

how ashamed they are,
how guilty they feel.

I think Carla is such
a great role model

to show that you don't
need to feel that way.

Hello.
Hi. I'm CeCe.

Oh, come on in!

When I got your case,
I felt a lot of pressure

because I was afraid that
he might strike again.

I knew you were ‐‐
That's what I was afraid of.

Right.
But Josh was the main one

that talked with me,

and he's been so good.

He just never forgot me.

When he came in,
he said, "We found him."

I just went into shock.

Because there's been
so many people

who never get to find out.

Did you feel safer
after that, then?

Totally safer.

Really?
Totally safer.

It's amazing that
you were able

to forgive Spencer
for what he did.
Well, thanks. Thank you.

Right.
Says a lot about you.

You can forgive,
but you don't forget.

♪♪

Moore:
Carla was at a place in her life

where you wouldn't
expect somebody

to kind of reinvent themselves.

But yet, at 79, she wasn't done.

She was willing to make a choice
that helped others

rather than thinking of herself.

We can still make a difference
in the world

and fulfill ourselves

and make our families
proud of us.

♪♪

You see it?
Yeah. See that one?

I've been really lucky that my
family's been so supportive.

My son hasn't always gotten
as much attention from me

as maybe he would like
or I would like to give him.

And so, there's definitely
been sacrifices

that my family has had to make
and that I've had to make.

You can see Jupiter,
and Saturn's right over there.

Uh‐huh.
And there's the one
under Jupiter

which is, like, Antares
or something.

He still knows he's the center
of my world,

but I finally feel like
I'm living my life's purpose

because I'm able to use
genetic genealogy

to bring answers
to victims and their families

and to make society
a safer place.

[ Nicky speaking indistinctly ]

Genetic genealogy was never
intended to be a career.

I could never have envisioned
it leading me here,

but yet I somehow
ended up here.

It's been
an incredible journey so far,

and I don't think
that's going to stop.

But who knows
what the future will hold

for me, for my family,
for my career,

and for genetic genealogy.

♪♪