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the jurgen experience fundamentally
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well let's talk about what you can talk
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about to what neural link is because the
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last time you were here
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you really couldn't discuss it and then
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there was a
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i guess a press release or something
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that sort of outlined yeah
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that that happened quite a bit after the
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last time you were here so what exactly
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is it how do you do what what happens if
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someone
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ultimately does get a neural link
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installed what will take place
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well for version one of the device it
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would be um
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it basically implanted in your skull so
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uh but it would be so
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flush with your skull so you're
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basically
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take out a chunk of skull replace put
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the neurologic device
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in there um you put the
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the electrode you'd insert the electrode
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threads very carefully into
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the brain and uh and then you
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you know stitch it up and um and you
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wouldn't even know that somebody has it
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um and then and and so then it it can
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interface basically anywhere
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in anywhere in your brain so it could be
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something that
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uh you know helps cure say uh eyesight
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like give you
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returns your eyesight even if you've
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like lost your optic nerve type of thing
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uh really yeah yeah absolutely hearing
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obviously um i mean pretty much anything
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that where that it could in principle
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fix almost anything that is wrong with
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the brain and it
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could it could restore uh
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limb functionality so if you've got a
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interface into the motor cortex
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and then an implant that's say
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that's like a microcontroller
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near muscle groups you could then create
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a
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sort of a neural shunt that restores
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somebody who's a quadriplegic to full
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functionality
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like they can walk around be normal
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whoa yeah so maybe slightly better
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slightly better over time yes you mean
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with future iterations
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like the you know six million dollar man
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although these days that would that
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doesn't that's pretty much yeah
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yeah six billion dollars so
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the the whole would be small how big
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would the hole be that you have to drill
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and then replace with this piece there's
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only one hole
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well um yeah the device we're working on
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right now is
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about it's about an inch in diameter
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and your skull is pretty thick by the
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way so skulls are mine is
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for sure it might actually literally be
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um
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i mean if you're a big if you're a big
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guy your skull is actually
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fairly thick um skulls like it's like
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seven to 14 millimeters
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um so that's probably a couple inches a
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half inch you know
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half inch thick skull ish so
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um yeah yeah so that that's a fair bit
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of like our our
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we got quite a coconut gun on there it's
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not it's not like some eggshell
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oh yeah i believe you um so the
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yeah you basically implant the device uh
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and so you would be like a one inch
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square
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or one inch in diameter yeah like so an
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inch circle like a circular
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yeah i think like a like a smart watch
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or something like that
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okay yeah okay so you take this one-inch
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diameter
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like ice fishing right you ever go ice
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fishing um no but i'd like to
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it's great yeah it's really fun so you
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basically take an auger
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and you you drill through the surface of
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the ice
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yeah and you create a small hole and you
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can dunk your line in there so this is
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like that you're ice fishing on the top
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of your skull
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and then you cork it yeah and you
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replace that
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um say one inch diameter piece of skull
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with the
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this neural link device um and that has
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a battery and a
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and a bluetooth and a inductive charger
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um and then you and and now then you've
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also got to insert the electrodes uh so
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the electrodes are very carefully
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inserted
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uh with our with a robot that we
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developed
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uh that's very carefully putting in the
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electrodes and avoiding
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you know and any veins or arteries uh so
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it's
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you know doesn't create trauma so
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through this one-inch diameter
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device electrodes be inserted and they
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will find their way
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like tiny wires basically tiny wires and
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they'll find their way to specific areas
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of the brain to stimulate
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no you literally put them where they're
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supposed to go oh
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okay yeah how long will these wires be
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uh i mean they usually go in like you
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know
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depending on where it is like you know
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two or three millimeters so they just
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find the spots
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yeah wow um and then um
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yeah then you put the device in and that
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that
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gets that that replaces the little piece
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of skull that was taken out
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and then you you stitch up the
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hole and and then you just have it look
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like a little scar
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and that's it well this would be
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replaceable or reversible yes like if
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someone can't
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take it anymore i'm too smart i can't
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take it yeah you can totally check it
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out
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and what is the besides restoring limb
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function
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and eyesight and hearing which are all
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amazing is there any cognitive benefits
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that you anticipate from something like
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uh yeah i mean you could for sure um
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uh i mean basically
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it's a generalized um
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sort of uh
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think for for fixing any kind of brain
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injury in principle like if you or if
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you've got like like severe epilepsy or
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something like that it could it could
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just it could just
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sort of stop the epilepsy from occurring
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like it could detect it in real time
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and then fire a counter pulse and stop
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the epilepsy
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um if um
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i mean there's a whole range of brain
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injuries like if somebody gets a stroke
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they could lose the ability to speak
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that that'll that could also be fixed so
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if you've got like stroke damage or if
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you lose say you know muscle control
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over part of your face or something like
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i think and then when you get old you
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if you get like you know alzheimer's or
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something like that
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then you lose memory and this could help
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you with
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you know restoring your memory that kind
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of thing restoring memory and what what
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is happening
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that's allowing it to do that like the
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wires these
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small wires yeah stimulating these areas
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of the brain and then
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is it that the areas of the brain are
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they're they're losing
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some sort of electrical force like what
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it what is happening yeah
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yeah so it's like it's like i think it's
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like a bunch of circuits and there's
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like circuits that are broken and we can
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uh fix those circuits substitute for
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those
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circuits and so a specific frequency
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will go through this
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yeah specific in that would
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is the process figuring out how much or
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how little has to be
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how much these areas of the brain have
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to be juiced up
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yeah i mean there's still a lot of work
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to do so when i say
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you know we got a shot at probably
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putting it in in a
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person in you know within a year i think
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that that's
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that's what that's exactly what i mean i
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think we have a chance of putting input
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into one end
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having them having them be healthy and
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and restoring some functionality that
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they've lost the fear is
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that eventually you're gonna have to cut
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the whole top of someone's head off
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and put a new top with a whole bunch of
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wires
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if you want to get you know the real
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turbocharged
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version the p100d
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of brain stimulation
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i mean ultimately if you if you want to
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go with full ai
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symbiosis you'll probably
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want to do something like that symbiosis
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is a scary word when it comes to ai
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it's optional would hope so
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yeah it's just i mean once you enjoy
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the dr manhattan lifestyle once you once
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you become a god
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seems very very unlikely you're going to
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want to go back to being stupid again
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i mean you literally could fundamentally
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change the way
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human beings interface with each other
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yes
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yes you wouldn't need to talk
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[Laughter]
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i'm so scared of that but so excited
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about it at the same time is that weird
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yeah i mean the i think this is one of
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the paths to
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you know like think like what like ai is
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getting better and better
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um so now let's assume it's sort of like
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a benign ai scenario
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uh even in a benign scenario we're kind
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of left behind
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you know we're we're not we're not along
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for the ride um we're just too dumb
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right so so how do you go along for the
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ride
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um yeah so you can't beat them join them
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so um and we're already
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we're already a cyborg to some degree
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right because you've got your phone
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you've got your laptop glasses yeah yeah
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electronic devices and
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um i mean today if your phone if you if
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you don't bring your phone along it's
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like you have mussing limb syndrome
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that's like you know feels like
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something's really really missing
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so we're already partly
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part you know partly a cyborg or an ai
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symbiote essentially
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um it's just that the data rate
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to the electronics is slow so
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especially output like you're just going
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with your thumbs
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i don't know like what's your data rate
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optimistically 100 bits per second
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that's being generous
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um and now the computer can
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communicate at like you know 100 100
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you know so so certainly
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you know gigabits are a trivial at this
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so this this is like you know
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basically you can your computer could do
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a mill do things a million
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times faster or
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at a certain point it's like talk they
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as like talking to a tree
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okay this is boring you talk to a tree
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it's very not very entertaining um so
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um so if you if you can solve the the
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data rate
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issue and you're especially output but
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input two
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then you can improve the symbiosis that
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is already occurring
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between mana machine so you you can
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improve it
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in what when you said you won't have to
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talk to each other anymore
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we used to joke around about that i i've
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joked around about that a million times
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in this podcast that one day in the
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future there's going to come a time
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where you can read each other's minds
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and well you'll be able to interface
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with each other in some sort of a
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non-verbal
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non-physical way where you will transfer
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data back and forth to each other
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without having to actually use your
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mouth
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yeah make noises exactly so when you
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like what happens when you when like
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let's say you've got some complex idea
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that you're trying to convey to somebody
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else
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and how do you do that well your brain
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spends a lot of effort
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compressing a complex concept
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into words and there's a there's a lot
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a lot of loss information loss that
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occurs when
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compressing a complex concept into words
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and then you say those words those words
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are then interpreted then they're
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decompressed by the person
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who is listening and they they will at
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best
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get a very incomplete understanding of
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what you're trying to convey it's very
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difficult to convey a complex concept
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with precision
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because you've got compression
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decompression you may not even have
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heard all the words
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correctly and so communication is
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difficult
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you know what we have here is a failure
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to communicate
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to coolant luke yes and there's a great
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movie yeah
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there's an interpretation factor too
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like you can
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choose to interpret certain
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series of words in in different ways and
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they're dependent upon tone
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dependent upon social cues even facial
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expressions
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sarcasm there's a lot of variables
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sarcasm is difficult
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yes yeah and so
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one of the things that i i've said is
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like that
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there could be potentially a universal
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language
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that's created through computers that
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particularly young
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kids would pick up very quickly like my
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kids do
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tick tock and all this jazz and i don't
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know what they're doing they just know
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how to do it
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and they know how to do it really
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quickly like they learn really quickly
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and they show me how to edit things and
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yeah it's if you taught a child from
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first grade on
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how to use some new universal language i
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mean essentially like a rosetta stone
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and something that's done with that
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interprets
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your thoughts and you can convey your
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thoughts with
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no room for interpretation with clear
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very clear that where you know what a
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person's saying
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and you can tell them what you're saying
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and there's no need for noises
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no need for mouth noises no need for
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these sort of accepted ways that we've
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uh sort of evolved to make sounds that
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we all agree we through our cultural
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dictionary and
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right we agree or certainly we could
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bypass all that yeah we could still do
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it for
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for sentimental reasons right like
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campfires
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yeah exactly i don't need campfires i
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don't need to roast marshmallows it's
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kind of fun
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right so yeah um
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yeah i think you would in principle you
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would be able to
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communicate
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very quickly and with far
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more precision uh ideas
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uh and and language would
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i'm not sure what would happen to
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language but you could probably
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within a situation like this that you
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would be able to just look kind of like
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the matrix you you want to speak a
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different language no problem
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right that's why it was downloaded the
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program
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right so at least for the first
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iterations
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first few iterations we'll just be able
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to use like i know that google has
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uh their some of their pixel buds
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have the ability to interpret languages
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in real time
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sure yeah you can hear it and they'll
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it'll play things back to you and
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whatever language you choose
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so to be something along those lines
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yeah for the first few iterations well
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the first few iterations are
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i mean what i'm talking about is like in
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the limit over time you know
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with a lot of development um the first
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few iterations
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really in the first few versions all
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we're going to be trying to do is solve
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brain injuries um so so it's like don't
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don't don't worry that it's not going to
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sneak up on you
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this this will take a while how many
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years
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before you don't have to talk
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if the if if the development
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continues to accelerate then
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maybe like five years five to ten years
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that's quick
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that's really quick that's the best case
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scenario no talking anymore
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in five years best case scenario but i'm
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10
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10 years more like it i've always
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speculated that aliens could potentially
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be us
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in the future because if you look at
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like the size of their heads
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and the fact that they have very little
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muscle and then they don't use their
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mouth anymore there's tiny little
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i mean the archetypal alien that you see
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in like closing counters are the third
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kind
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they they're like if you went from like
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uh
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australopithecus or ancient homicide
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to us what's the difference less hair
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less muscle
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bigger head and then just keep going a
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thousand a million whatever you or
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five years whatever whatever happens
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when neurolink
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goes on online and then we slowly
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start to adapt to this new way
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of being where we don't use our muscles
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anymore
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we have this gigantic head we can talk
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without words
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you could also save state
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and save state save state like save your
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brain state like like a saved game in a
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video game
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whoa like like if you want to swap from
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windows 95 well i play a little better
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than that but yeah i think we are
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windows 95 right now
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from a future perspective probably um
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but
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yeah i mean you you could uh save state
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um and restore that state into a
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biological being if you
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if you wanted to in the future in
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principle it's like nothing like from a
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physics standpoint that prevents us
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now you'd be a little different but then
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you're also a little different when you
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wake up in the morning from yesterday
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and you're a little different
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in fact if you say like you five years
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ago versus you today is
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quite a big difference yes um so you'd
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be substantially you i mean you'd be
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you'd certainly think you're you but the
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idea of saving
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yourself and then transforming
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that into some sort of a biological
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state like you could hang out with 30
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year old you
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i mean the possibilities are endless um
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that's so weird i mean these things
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think like how your phone can
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you can record videos on your phone like
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there's no way you could remember
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a video right as accurately as your
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phone or a camera you know could
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so uh now if you've got like it
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you know some some you know version 10
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euro link or whatever and far in the
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future
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you could you could remember you could
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recall everything
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but just like it's a movie concluding
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all
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the entire sensory experience emotions
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everything
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everything everything and play it back
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and you should edit it edit it yeah
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so you can change your past you could
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change
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what do you think was your past yeah
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well so if you had like a tremendous
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thing
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right now it could be a replayed memory
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it could be yeah it may be what's the
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odds
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of this being a replayed memory if you
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had a guess
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it's more than 50
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there's no way to assign a probability
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with accuracy here right
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but roughly
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if you just had a just gut instinct
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well i don't have a neural link in my
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brain so i'd say right now zero percent
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but at the point at which you do have a
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neural link then it rises above zero
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percent
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the idea that we're experiencing some
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sort of a preserved memory
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is uh even though it's still the same
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it's not comforting
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right for some reason when we people
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talk about
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simulation theory they talk about the
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potential for this currently being a
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simulation
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it even though your life might be
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wonderful you might be
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in love you might love your career you
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might have
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great friends but it's not comforting
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to know that this experience somehow or
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another doesn't exist in a material form
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that you can knock on
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it feels real feels real but but if it's
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not but
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the idea that it's not is for some
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strange reason
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disconcerting well yeah i'm sure it
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should be disconcerting because then if
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this is not real what is
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right but but the you know there's that
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old sort of um thought experiment of
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like
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how do you know you're not a brain in a
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vat you know
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i mean now here's the thing you are a
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brain an event then that fat is your
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skull
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yes and everything you see feel here
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everything all your senses are
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electrical signals
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everything everything
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is an electrical signal to up to a brain
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in a vat with a bacterial skull
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and all your hormones all your
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neurotransmitters all these things are
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drugs adrenaline's a drug dopamine's a
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drug
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you're a drug factory you're constantly
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changing your state with love and
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oxytocin
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and and beauty sure changes your state
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great music
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changes your state absolutely
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and yet here's another sort of
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interesting idea which is
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um because you say like where did
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consciousness arise
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well assuming you believe the belief
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in physics which appears to be true um
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then you know we the universe started
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off as basically quarks and leptons and
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it quickly became hydrogen and of helium
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lithium like basically elements the
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periodic table but it was
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like mostly hydrogen basically um
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and then and then over a long period of
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time
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uh you know 13.8 billion years later
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that hydrogen became sentient
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so where along the way
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did conju where is the consciousness
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what's the line of consciousness and not
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consciousness
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right between hydrogen and here right
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when do we call it
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when do we call it consciousness i was
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watching a video today that we played on
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a podcast earlier of a monkey
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riding a motorcycle down the street
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jumps off the motorcycle and tries to
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steal a baby
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yeah so that one they went is that
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monkey conscious it seems like it is it
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seems like it had a plan
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it was riding a fucking motorcycle and
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then jumped off the motorcycle to try to
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steal a baby
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it seems pretty the one that just strike
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baby down the street pretty far
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yeah yeah seems pretty conscious
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right there's definitely some degree of
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consciousness there
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yeah it's not like it's not a worm it
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seems to be on another level
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yeah and it's going to keep going and
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that that's the real
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concern when when people think about the
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potential
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future versions of human beings
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especially when you
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consider symbiotic relationship to
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artificial intelligence it will be
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unrecognizable
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that one day we'll be so far removed
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from what this is we'll look back on
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this
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the way we look back now on you know
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simple simple organisms that we evolved
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from
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and then it won't be that far in the
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future that we do have this
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this view back well i hope consciousness
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propagates into the future and it gets
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more
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more sophisticated and complex and and
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that it
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understands the questions to ask about
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the universe
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do you think that's the case as a human
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being as yourself you're clearly
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trying to make conscious decisions to be
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a better version of you
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right this is the idea of like getting
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rid of your possessions and realizing
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that
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you're trying to like i don't like this
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i will try to improve this
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i will try to do a better version of the
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way i interface with reality
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that this is always the way things are
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if you're if you're
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moving in a some sort of a direction
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where you're trying to improve things
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you're always going to move into this
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new place where you look back in the old
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place and go i was doing it wrong back
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then
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so this is an accelerated version of
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that a super accelerated version of that
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i mean you don't always improve but you
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can aspire to improve
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you can aspire to be less wrong yeah
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this is like
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i think a good the tools of physics are
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very powerful like
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just assume you're wrong and you're
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asking your goal to be less wrong
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i don't think you're gonna if you
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succeed every day and being less wrong
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but
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you know if you're gonna succeed in
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being less wrong
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most of the time you're doing great
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that's a great way of putting aspire to
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be less wrong
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but then when you know people look back
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at nostalgia about simpler times
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there's that too it's very romantic and
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exciting to look back on
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campfires but you can still have a
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campfire yes
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yeah but will you appreciate it when
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you're a super nerd when you're
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connected to the grid
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and you have some uh skull cap in place
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of the top of your head
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and it's interfacing with the inner
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international language
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that the rest of the universe now enjoys
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communication with people
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and we're yeah sure i think so
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yeah i like empires
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you
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