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[ Crowd cheering ]
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I'm ready to retire.
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For the last couple of years
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I've gotten very busy
on the off season.
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Mainly, because
early in my career...
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I had those rough years
in Buffalo.
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I sort of told myself then
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I would, uh, put my energies
in something that was gonna
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sustain me and last.
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I knew then that I would
have trouble adjusting
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to not being a football player.
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So, I said,
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"Hey, I better start
preparing myself for-- for--
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for, you know... now.
[ Laughs ]
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I wanna tell you that over the years
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I've heard your applause,
and I appreciated your cheers.
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And I want you to know
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that I already know
it's what I'm gonna miss most.
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Thank you all, very much.
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[ Crowd cheering ]
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[ Birds chirping ]
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[ Bus approaching ]
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Growing up in Brentwood
was really a wonderful experience.
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It's very quiet.
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It's very affluent.
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Very safe.
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Very white.
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Burglaries were very rare.
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Violent crime almost nonexistent.
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You could leave your door unlocked.
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Never have to worry about anything.
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I graduated the academy in 1975.
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And then transferred to West L.A.
1978-79.
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West L.A., the whole division,
Bel Air, Brentwood, all--
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it's loaded with stars.
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And I'd sit back and go,
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"Man, am I really getting paid
for doing this?"
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When I first got there,
O.J. had just moved
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from around Mulholland
over to Rockingham.
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O.J. Simpson living in Brentwood
was really an anomaly.
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He'd be one of maybe
three black people
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in the entire community.
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Los Angeles is unlike other places.
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If you're a celebrity,
you have no color.
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People enjoy having you
in their neighborhood.
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Especially if you're
a celebrity like O.J.
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where everyone's husband
worshipped him as a sports hero
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and couldn't wait to shake hands.
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Once I found out he was living
on Rockingham,
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I decided I'd go by there,
you know, and let him know...
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"Hey, you know?
O.J., I'm here."
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This is where I work.
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O.J. was great.
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He'd always referred to the LAPD
as "the boys." You know?
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"How's crime today?"
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"Hey, Shipp, what's going on
in my area, man?"
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"Is you keeping the peace?"
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You know, stuff like that?
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And I'd be like,
"Hey, man, everything's good."
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70-80 percent of the people
in the city of Los Angeles,
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were thinking LAPD does a great job,
we don't have crime here.
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They thought out in the Valley
or West Los Angeles,
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"Hey, man, they're great."
They smile. They wave.
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They're always around
when you need them.
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Well, that wasn't how other parts
of the city were being treated.
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On January 3rd, 1979,
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two members of the Los Angeles
Police Department
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shot and killed Eulia Love
at her home,
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in a dispute over $22.09 utility bill.
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She died on her front lawn
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before the eyes
of her own children.
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There is no single event
that had a more profound impact
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in LAPD history
up to that point and time
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than the shooting
of Eulia May Love.
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This is where Mrs. Eulia Love stood
the day the shooting took place.
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There was an officer here,
an officer there.
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She held a knife in her hand,
there was a scuffle,
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the knife was knocked out
of her hand,
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she reached for it,
and as she threw it,
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the officers opened fire.
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This was a big deal.
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This is a woman
who's had a tough time.
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And she was desperate.
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So, there was a lot of empathy
going out to her
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from the community.
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Once again, we have a member
of the black community...
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dead...
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under circumstances that are
highly questionable at best.
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It has been determined
that the evidence
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does not warrant the filing
of criminal charges.
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This was a justifiable homicide,
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uh, committed by the officers
in their own self-defense.
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As far as LAPD was concerned,
it was just an event.
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And everybody was supposed
to accept it.
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This was on the lips and minds
of everybody in the community.
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The people gonna get justice,
and it's gonna be in the street.
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It didn't help that you had
a police chief,
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who behaved poorly,
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and, in many ways, irresponsibly.
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And I've commented on the media
squeezing out the last, uh....
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tear of emotion in this situation,
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where they talk about a $22 gas bill.
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It doesn't make any difference,
but it was, uh...
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a $69 gas bill.
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Gates was Gates.
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He's going to be fully supportive
of his officers.
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I guess they don't think I have
any sympathy for anyone,
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other than police officers,
and that's simply not true.
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I have great empathy and sympathy
for Eulia Love and her family.
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Deeply sorry that it happened,
but it did happen.
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I...
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[ Clears throat ]
was a big fan of Daryl...
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Francis Gates.
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Gates introduced the SWAT model
of law enforcement,
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introduced the D.A.R.E. program
to all of law enforcement.
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So he was an innovator.
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But he was also a controversial guy.
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GATES: We have officers out there
doing the job.
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Attempting to make good judgment
based on the information they have,
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protecting themselves
and protecting
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the people of the
city of Los Angeles,
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that we will go to hell for.
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He loved LAPD.
He loved his officers.
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And there were times that I believe
that his love for his officers...
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and the law enforcement mission...
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conflicted.
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O.J. Simpson
and Elizabeth Montgomery
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are two police detectives
who have a problem.
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They're falling in love,
and it's breaking all the rules.
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But you are a married man,
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and your conduct is
supposed to be exemplary.
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Would it make any difference
if I was a white cop?
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It's a bittersweet story
of two people caught between
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their emotions and their actions
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in "A Killing Affair".
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Sunday at 3:00 on channel 9.
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Life for a black person...
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in a way, unfortunately,
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is different than for white people.
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And especially for black people
who attain great success.
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Is there pressure
from your community
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for you to really walk
the straight and narrow?
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I know that you are currently dating
a white woman.
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I wouldn't be asking this question
if we were living in different times,
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but we aren't,
and there seems to be...
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this sort of dichotomy here.
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How do you answer it?
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Well, I rebel against images
because...
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then, um...
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you know, people tend
to expect things from you.
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I-- I think I created an image
by being me.
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When I get into
these arguments with...
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people of the bla--
people of my community,
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the black community,
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I say, "Hey, I--
I've accepted Jesus Christ"
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and, uh, I try to do unto others
as, uh...
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you know, I would have them
do unto me.
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And after that, hey,
my life is mine.
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And I... I do what is morally right
and acceptable to me.
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I am not prejudiced in any form.
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Obviously, I got a white girlfriend.
[ Laughs ]
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I admired his celebrity status.
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We thought he had accomplished
quite a bit.
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To move from an athlete...
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to... a position of celebrity,
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and loved by all the people,
not just black folk.
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[ Gospel singing ]
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I invited O.J. here,
early on in the '80s.
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He didn't come as often
as I thought he should.
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But he did come to church.
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I think he was very in tune with...
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who his mother
wanted him to be.
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She wanted him to be honest,
to be religious.
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Just to rise
above a lot of the things
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that he saw growing up.
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His mother
was a staunch Christian.
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And she had embedded within him
the tenets of Jesus Christ.
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I would talk to him about having
achieved money and fame.
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But all that came from God.
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And there are times
when you should...
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respond to how good God
has been to you.
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Now, some days,
depending on his mood,
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he would agree.
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But he was not out there...
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publicly...
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fighting for African-Americans.
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I think each person
who is in the limelight
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has an obligation...
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to make things better
for the last, the lost, the least,
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the left out, and the looked over.
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And I thought he should
have done more.
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If we, as Black people,
do not take on the responsibility...
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to do something for ourselves,
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we really should be scorned
in the eyes of the world.
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In my circles, there were not
a lot of people
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who were preoccupying themselves
with getting to O.J.
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or believing that O.J.
could be turned around,
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or someday was gonna
come to his senses
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and embrace all of the things
that have the values that we had,
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in terms of really, really
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doing something demonstrative
for the Black community.
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O.J. was just one of those things
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that you just kind of dismissed,
"Oh, that brother's a lost cause."
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His voice was mute...
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on any issues that related
to Black people and our salvation,
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police brutality, all of those things.
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He was just a non-entity.
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[ Applause ]
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I don't know that he felt
that he was sacrificing
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what other people
thought he was.
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But you're sacrificing who you are...
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who you are raised to be.
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How does one sustain that
over that period of time?
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How does one bend one's soul
to that degree of denial?
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[ Sirens wailing ]
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It's easy to tell
while laid out on the ground,
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while he's bleeding to death.
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Is that what makes you happy?
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[ Indistinct chatter ]
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Did you hear?
Did you see what was going on?
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Did he see everything happening
in South Central?
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Yeah.
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Did he want to take that
home with him?
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Did he want that to be
who he was?
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Who he identified with?
No.
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He stayed in Brentwood.
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When you live in South L.A.,
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I mean you live here,
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this is where you breath,
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this is where you occupy your space,
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I'm not sure if, you know,
a lot of people even know
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where Brentwood is.
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That's just the reality...
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of Black America
and White America.
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Two totally... separate worlds.
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[ Orchestra playing ]
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He's somebody who learned
how to live with,
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be totally accepted by a white world.
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[ Orchestra continues playing ]
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Underneath that,
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he learned all of the indignities
of the Black world.
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Although it's impossible to believe
that he's that brilliant an actor.
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I think he was always kind of on
when he was in a White world,
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and he weren't when he was
in a Black world.
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Which makes him the right soul
for Coalhouse Walker.
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He very much wanted to be cast
in E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime".
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And he worked hard
on trying to get that part.
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He saw the part as being
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something that he could go into
a new dimension as an actor.
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Let's go to your acting career
for a moment.
251
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Why did you want the role
of Coalhouse Walker Jr.?
252
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Well, first of all, it, um...
253
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it was the only part thus far
that I've ever actively
254
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went after and didn't get.
255
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So, I'd consider it my only failure
in film.
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[ Laughs ]
Thus far.
257
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[ Birds chirping ]
258
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Good afternoon.
259
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I wonder if you might be
able to help me.
260
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Uh...
261
00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:10,474
Uh... what do you want?
262
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Well, I'm looking for a young woman
of color called Sarah.
263
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Uh... who are you?
264
00:14:15,271 --> 00:14:16,063
Oh, I'm sorry.
265
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My name is Coalhouse Walker Jr.
266
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When I read the book,
I could identify with this guy...
267
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so much-- He was a Black man
in-- at a time
268
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when you were supposed
to know you were Black.
269
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You were supposed to know
you had a place.
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Would you please
wait around the back?
271
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I was raised in the sports world
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where you're only, uh,
judged by your abilities...
273
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and, uh, you know,
what you have to give.
274
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[ Playing piano ]
275
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Who is Coalhouse?
276
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Well, he's a guy
who created himself.
277
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And destroyed himself...
ultimately.
278
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[ Angry chatter ]
279
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He was a guy among other things
who was very prideful and suffered.
280
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Suffered for his pride.
281
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Mr. Walker, let me
give you some advice.
282
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You spend the money
on your wedding.
283
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Build yourself a home and a family
where you can find some comfort.
284
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And just forget that some damn
white man caused you offence.
285
00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:11,076
I can understand exactly
what he felt.
286
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When he walked in a room,
287
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he gave no credence
to the fact he was Black
288
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and he wasn't supposed to say things
or be treated any differently.
289
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And, uh...
290
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Uh.. that's the way I've tried
to look at my life.
291
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So, I felt I was the right person
for that role.
292
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I felt that I was today's
Coalhouse Walker.
293
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"Just forget it"?
Is that it?
294
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I've spent my whole life forgetting.
295
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You're a young man.
You better start learning now.
296
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Learning what?
297
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How to be a nigger?
298
00:15:41,149 --> 00:15:42,941
You know, there was some tragedy
in your life...
299
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in the last 10 years.
You lost a child.
300
00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:48,071
I wanna talk
about how it changed you.
301
00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:56,955
The baby drowned
in a swimming pool.
302
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On Rockingham, there.
303
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He was away.
304
00:16:02,211 --> 00:16:03,837
You know, he was always gone.
305
00:16:04,047 --> 00:16:05,213
Four, set!
306
00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:07,424
I don't know how much
it changed me.
307
00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,801
I've always tried to live my life
to the fullest.
308
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And, uh...
309
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I used to be so busy.
310
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And I was on the road so much,
311
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that in a sense it partially
cost me a marriage.
312
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When I lost my daughter...
313
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I was gone.
314
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When my first daughter was born,
I was gone.
315
00:16:22,523 --> 00:16:24,066
[ Crowd cheering ]
316
00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:28,654
When you lose a child,
it's very hard.
317
00:16:29,113 --> 00:16:32,491
Three weeks before Aaren drowned,
my son drowned...
318
00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,703
in a pool, that Boys Club
in San Leandro, California.
319
00:16:37,372 --> 00:16:39,873
So, the tragedy affected us both.
320
00:16:41,292 --> 00:16:44,836
It still affects me.
So, I know-- how it affects him.
321
00:16:48,091 --> 00:16:50,342
He didn't bring it up,
and we didn't talk much about it.
322
00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:51,635
Hey, O.J.!
323
00:16:52,637 --> 00:16:55,472
I think it's the single
most horrible thing in the world.
324
00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,725
[ Crowd cheering ]
325
00:16:59,936 --> 00:17:02,104
I think what you
learn in the streets,
326
00:17:03,106 --> 00:17:04,898
is how to bury things.
327
00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,275
And he blamed Marguerite.
328
00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,827
He got rid of that memory
when he got rid of that wife.
329
00:17:17,996 --> 00:17:20,122
He just compartmentalized it.
330
00:17:21,124 --> 00:17:22,457
And got 'em out.
331
00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:28,046
If anything, I made up my mind
that I would be around.
332
00:17:28,256 --> 00:17:29,006
And, uh...
333
00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:30,716
it's nice to be loved
by everybody.
334
00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:33,093
But there's some people
that love you a little more.
335
00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:34,177
So, I guess if anything,
336
00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:36,513
I-- I just want to be
a little more loving
337
00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:38,849
and be there a little more
to the people that have, uh,
338
00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,268
have chosen to share
their lives with me.
339
00:17:43,771 --> 00:17:44,855
And now by the...
340
00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:47,190
authority committed unto me
341
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,359
as a minister in the church
of Jesus Christ
342
00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:51,737
and according to the laws
in the State of California,
343
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,823
it gives me great delight,
O.J. and Nicole,
344
00:17:55,033 --> 00:17:57,325
to pronounce you
husband and wife.
345
00:17:57,535 --> 00:17:59,161
[ Applause ]
346
00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:03,415
[ "Uptight (Everything's Alright)"
plays ]
347
00:18:11,466 --> 00:18:13,091
We love "Juice" like my brother.
348
00:18:13,301 --> 00:18:15,594
I'm thrilled he's my partner,
and we're just...
349
00:18:16,137 --> 00:18:18,722
totally knocked out
that he finally took the step...
350
00:18:18,973 --> 00:18:21,600
[ "Jump (For My Love)" plays ]
351
00:18:22,018 --> 00:18:23,393
They had a great wedding.
352
00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:26,480
Of course, they had amazing music.
353
00:18:26,689 --> 00:18:29,149
And it was all, you know,
Christal champagne,
354
00:18:29,358 --> 00:18:30,108
all you could drink.
355
00:18:30,318 --> 00:18:32,069
Where are the drugs?
No, I'm just kidding.
356
00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:34,071
It was a great party.
357
00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:39,659
And they made a really strong,
gorgeous couple.
358
00:18:43,164 --> 00:18:45,582
I just felt that they were
the ideal couple.
359
00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,085
Because it seems like to me,
from what I saw,
360
00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:51,004
it seemed like they just
had so much fun all the time.
361
00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:53,882
I'm married!
I don't believe it!
362
00:18:54,092 --> 00:18:54,800
[ Laughing ]
363
00:18:55,051 --> 00:18:56,551
I'm married!
I really don't believe it.
364
00:18:56,761 --> 00:18:57,511
[ Laughing ]
365
00:18:58,221 --> 00:19:01,681
Nicole was funny,
and she was fun to be around.
366
00:19:02,225 --> 00:19:03,642
She was a very good friend.
367
00:19:04,185 --> 00:19:05,310
When Nicole came into my life at...
368
00:19:05,686 --> 00:19:08,021
what for any athlete
is very difficult time,
369
00:19:08,231 --> 00:19:09,189
it was at the end of my career,
370
00:19:09,649 --> 00:19:12,150
I was also going through a divorce
at the time and, uh...
371
00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,820
All my life, I wanted to be a father.
372
00:19:15,738 --> 00:19:17,322
I never really thought
about being a husband.
373
00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:19,241
And I thought I had given up...
374
00:19:20,118 --> 00:19:22,410
the opportunity
to watch my kids grow
375
00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:25,080
until you came into my life
and made this house a home,
376
00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:26,581
brought my kids in.
377
00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:28,500
You brought love into my house.
378
00:19:28,709 --> 00:19:30,127
[ Cheering ]
379
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:36,299
He was really proud of her.
380
00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:40,011
And she had definitely taken over.
381
00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:42,389
I mean, she was running the show
at Rockingham.
382
00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:46,977
Rockingham, it was his Graceland.
383
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:49,354
It was all of their Graceland.
384
00:19:49,564 --> 00:19:51,481
We never said,
"I'll meet you at O.J.'s house."
385
00:19:51,691 --> 00:19:53,233
It was always,
"I'll see you at Rockingham."
386
00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:55,694
It was what brought
all of us together.
387
00:19:57,655 --> 00:19:59,114
It was a special place.
388
00:19:59,365 --> 00:20:01,158
I mean, you never knew
who was gonna be there.
389
00:20:01,784 --> 00:20:05,078
He gravitated toward celebrities.
390
00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:06,746
In any field.
391
00:20:07,248 --> 00:20:10,625
And that's the glue
that bonded him to Los Angeles,
392
00:20:10,877 --> 00:20:13,837
and also made Rockingham
that castle.
393
00:20:15,298 --> 00:20:17,883
You'd have the greatest athletes
in the world show up.
394
00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:20,427
The most interesting politicians,
you know?
395
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,845
The entertainment world.
396
00:20:22,305 --> 00:20:24,347
And everybody always had
a wonderful time
397
00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:25,765
because it was "The Juice".
398
00:20:27,101 --> 00:20:30,103
I've always had a large
what I call "family"...
399
00:20:30,313 --> 00:20:31,605
A large circle of friends,
400
00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,149
and you need 'em more, I guess,
in your life.
401
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,027
At my house, I mean,
I have to be successful
402
00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,279
to pay for the soft drinks
and the beer
403
00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:41,531
that the guys drink
at the house on the weekends.
404
00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:47,913
He flew a flag at Rockingham
every day.
405
00:20:48,539 --> 00:20:50,916
He loved America. He loved
the red, white, and blue.
406
00:20:51,209 --> 00:20:54,085
He loved that feeling that you get,
you know, on the Fourth of July,
407
00:20:54,337 --> 00:20:55,795
and see jets fly over.
408
00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,215
During the Olympics,
when he carried the torch.
409
00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,050
That was a big thing to him.
410
00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:04,471
That was one of the things
we talked about for years after.
411
00:21:05,473 --> 00:21:07,724
How perfect the world was then.
412
00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:10,852
I want to say to, uh...
413
00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:12,562
the Hall of Fame members here,
414
00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,814
I mean, as a kid,
I watched these guys
415
00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:17,067
and, well, I must have
done something good
416
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,361
or something right to be here,
and I just want you to know
417
00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:21,321
that I'll never let
you guys down, man.
418
00:21:21,572 --> 00:21:23,281
I'll live up to the honor
of being in this Hall
419
00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:24,407
and being on your team.
420
00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,451
[ Applause ]
421
00:21:26,827 --> 00:21:27,827
Thank you very much.
422
00:21:28,037 --> 00:21:29,496
[ Applause ]
423
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,125
The most unique aspect
of O.J. Simpson
424
00:21:34,335 --> 00:21:35,627
is that you're one of the few people
425
00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:38,338
who've not only been successful
in athletics,
426
00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:42,008
but that success has really
carried over to life after football.
427
00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:45,303
[ Crowd cheering ]
428
00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:47,806
Well, it's real exciting for me
to be back here.
429
00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:49,724
You know, on the field
where I had so many thrills,
430
00:21:49,934 --> 00:21:52,435
and to experience these
Buffalo Bills fans,
431
00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:54,896
and, believe me, Howard,
they're in rare form tonight.
432
00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:58,692
Well, he certainly tried
to be a commentator.
433
00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:01,111
Peyton following Matt Suhey.
434
00:22:01,487 --> 00:22:05,240
It's a testament to walk--
Walter's conditioning.
435
00:22:05,449 --> 00:22:06,908
This guy works out harder
than anybody in...
436
00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:13,540
He very much was involved
in corporate America
437
00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:15,583
and being on boards.
438
00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:19,879
I think he was trying,
very intelligently,
439
00:22:20,089 --> 00:22:23,383
to parley his fame into wealth.
440
00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:28,388
By the '80s,
O.J. really was a businessman.
441
00:22:30,474 --> 00:22:33,518
His new friends
were all super wealthy,
442
00:22:34,103 --> 00:22:36,021
powerful white men.
443
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,774
And I think really the reason
he surrounded himself
444
00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:42,319
with all these big,
successful entrepreneurs
445
00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:44,404
is because he saw himself
as one, too.
446
00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:49,743
I've always been, sort of,
an inquisitive person.
447
00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:52,287
And I have friends who do
a lot of different things.
448
00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:55,248
And I've made it a point to find out
what the people
449
00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:56,333
around me were doing.
450
00:22:59,128 --> 00:23:00,503
He called me a lot.
451
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,966
"Now, Frank, I have this opportunity
for HoneyBaked Hams."
452
00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:08,970
Or "Frank, this friend of mine
is doing some storage things
453
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:10,263
in California."
454
00:23:10,973 --> 00:23:13,058
I didn't always know those answers.
455
00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:14,893
But I guess I enjoyed the fact
456
00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:17,103
that he trusted me enough
to do that.
457
00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:22,108
I introduced him
to the business world.
458
00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:28,490
I took him places...
459
00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:31,868
where I think very few Black men
had ever been.
460
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:34,454
The Pine Valley Golf Club.
461
00:23:35,498 --> 00:23:37,582
The number one club in America.
462
00:23:40,878 --> 00:23:42,504
I got him into Arcola.
463
00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:44,839
He was the first black member
of the club.
464
00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,467
Oh, yeah, by a long shot.
465
00:23:48,135 --> 00:23:50,345
This one time,
he brought Sidney Poitier.
466
00:23:50,763 --> 00:23:54,557
And, of course, the whole club
was circling around the two of them.
467
00:23:55,518 --> 00:23:59,020
Even the bigots
thought that was terrific.
468
00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:00,897
They loved him.
469
00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,233
Because he just fit in.
470
00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,862
He could schmooze around
and get ingratiated,
471
00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:08,905
'cause he was "The Juice".
472
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:12,617
Street-smart,
this man was an Einstein.
473
00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:18,039
He could cunningly and calculatingly
figure out exactly
474
00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,583
what these white people
were thinking about,
475
00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,627
but he was also that way
with Black people.
476
00:24:23,212 --> 00:24:26,881
It was almost magnetic,
they were just drawn to it.
477
00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:28,675
And I don't care who was there,
478
00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:30,593
when he got to the room, it was,
"The Juice is here."
479
00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:34,681
Here's the man whose smile
is more dazzling
480
00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:36,474
than all his golden awards.
481
00:24:36,892 --> 00:24:40,520
Sportsman, actor,
all around wonderful
482
00:24:40,729 --> 00:24:42,856
Mr. O.J. Simpson!
483
00:24:43,065 --> 00:24:44,566
[ Applause ]
484
00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:47,360
I always told him he had
delusions of grandeur.
485
00:24:47,945 --> 00:24:50,321
He thought he could do
certain things in business
486
00:24:50,531 --> 00:24:51,906
that he wasn't capable of.
487
00:24:52,116 --> 00:24:52,907
AUDIENCE: Three!
488
00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:56,327
One day he was gonna
run Paramount or 20th Century,
489
00:24:56,745 --> 00:24:57,704
Warner Brothers...
490
00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:00,165
Now, I mean, he believed
things like that.
491
00:25:00,624 --> 00:25:02,834
Ladies and gentlemen,
another winning performance
492
00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:05,336
from Mr. O.J. Simpson!
493
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:07,714
There's something deep-seated...
494
00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:09,924
that I think a lot of people
like myself
495
00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:12,802
have to face up to
about what created
496
00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:14,429
this complex character.
497
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,474
It wasn't just him,
it was part society.
498
00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,643
[ The Naked Gun theme plays ]
[ Siren wailing ]
499
00:25:22,688 --> 00:25:24,147
We were looking for a celebrity...
500
00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:28,234
and I-- I don't think we wanted
an all-white cast anymore,
501
00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,362
as we did for the Police Squad
TV show.
502
00:25:33,073 --> 00:25:36,201
This was something that, you know,
kinda looked better...
503
00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:37,243
for us.
504
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:43,458
He was still in the public eye,
but yet he was economical,
505
00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,169
because I don't think he was
in demand for movies.
506
00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:48,588
Police! Throw down your guns!
507
00:25:48,923 --> 00:25:51,174
O.J. was fine for Naked Gun.
508
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:53,343
There was nobody better.
509
00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:54,719
[ Gunfire ]
510
00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:57,472
[ Groans ]
511
00:25:59,308 --> 00:26:00,725
-[ Sizzles ]
-Ahh!
512
00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:03,937
Oh, no!
513
00:26:05,648 --> 00:26:07,899
Naked Gun surprised me--
514
00:26:08,108 --> 00:26:09,651
[ Screams ]
515
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:11,402
How funny he was.
516
00:26:12,029 --> 00:26:12,904
He's a funny man.
517
00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:15,490
I mean, he was always
a very funny man.
518
00:26:16,033 --> 00:26:18,493
And he was always
a selflessly funny man.
519
00:26:18,786 --> 00:26:20,411
-Nordberg!
-Hiya, buddy!
520
00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:21,371
Hey!
521
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,831
The doc says I should be on my feet
and as good as new in a week!
522
00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:27,252
-And back on the force.
-Nordberg, that's wonderful!
523
00:26:28,629 --> 00:26:29,504
Whoa!
524
00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:32,423
Oh, Frank! Everyone should
have a friend like you!
525
00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:34,092
[ Nordberg screams ]
526
00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:37,637
[ "I'm Into Something Good" plays]
527
00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,390
I used to take a lot of cops
over to O.J.'s house,
528
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,393
and I would never tell them
who we were going to meet.
529
00:26:44,228 --> 00:26:46,854
And I just loved looking
at the expression
530
00:26:47,064 --> 00:26:48,648
on my partner's face
531
00:26:49,066 --> 00:26:51,484
when they looked and saw
O.J. opening the door,
532
00:26:51,694 --> 00:26:53,111
and it was just like looking at--
533
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,405
You know, 'cause some of these guys,
you know, macho cops.
534
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,490
"Hey," you know, "I'm LAPD".
535
00:26:57,992 --> 00:27:02,829
And you could see them melt
like little kids around this guy.
536
00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:07,208
Everybody loved O.J. Simpson,
all the cops.
537
00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:09,961
If you asked him for an autograph,
you asked him for whatever,
538
00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:12,672
I mean, he was just really,
like, your best friend.
539
00:27:17,219 --> 00:27:19,012
Now, let's take a look
at today's black culture
540
00:27:19,221 --> 00:27:20,471
in the city of Los Angeles.
541
00:27:21,557 --> 00:27:23,683
The most important point that should
be considered
542
00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:25,893
in a law-enforcement setting
involving blacks
543
00:27:26,103 --> 00:27:28,313
is the matter of respect.
544
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:31,357
Everyone should be treated
in a respectful manner.
545
00:27:31,734 --> 00:27:34,110
Okay, 4-23, you see that,
uh, male black.
546
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,570
He's walking on the north side
of the street there
547
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:36,487
on your right side.
548
00:27:36,697 --> 00:27:38,197
Slow down. That's one
of the suspects there.
549
00:27:40,701 --> 00:27:41,492
[ Police radio chatter ]
550
00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,412
People who have been abused
by the police
551
00:27:44,622 --> 00:27:46,122
have no regard for them.
552
00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:49,000
They don't believe
that the police comes
553
00:27:49,209 --> 00:27:51,836
to protect them,
comes to serve them.
554
00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,464
That would be an unfortunate error
in judgment
555
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,342
for you to conclude that all persons
of a particular group
556
00:27:57,593 --> 00:28:01,012
are similar to the few you have
contact while you are working.
557
00:28:01,263 --> 00:28:03,514
We're sorry if, you know,
it's our job too.
558
00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:05,391
that-- that we've had to do this.
559
00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:07,060
We just can't let you go.
560
00:28:08,062 --> 00:28:08,978
Look how I look.
561
00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:13,066
I'm light, bright, but damn sure
not white. Okay?
562
00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:16,235
But the reality is,
when I'm stopped by the police,
563
00:28:16,904 --> 00:28:18,488
you know, they treat me
like a nigger.
564
00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:23,409
Okay, let's roll,
and let's be careful out there.
565
00:28:23,827 --> 00:28:27,705
In 1978, Los Angeles police chief
Daryl Gates apologized
566
00:28:27,915 --> 00:28:31,334
after saying some Hispanic officers
don't advance in the ranks
567
00:28:31,543 --> 00:28:33,002
because they are, quote, "lazy",
568
00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:35,838
and now an NAACP official
569
00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:37,632
is calling a comment
by Chief Gates,
570
00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:40,218
quote, "so horrendous
that it's laughable."
571
00:28:40,594 --> 00:28:42,804
It all started
when he first defended
572
00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:44,639
controversial choke holds.
573
00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:48,142
A number of African-American
suspects had died
574
00:28:48,352 --> 00:28:50,269
after being subjected
to a choke hold,
575
00:28:50,688 --> 00:28:52,855
and Gates was asked about it,
and he said the problem was
576
00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:54,899
that they didn't respond the same
as normal people.
577
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:59,070
The chief needs some time off
to remove his foot from his mouth
578
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:02,573
and LAPD's choke hold
from the necks of black people.
579
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,243
When I started covering
the police department,
580
00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:08,538
you could feel the residue
of that comment.
581
00:29:09,206 --> 00:29:11,207
In fact, police officers used to
refer to the cars,
582
00:29:11,417 --> 00:29:13,376
which normally people would call
black-and-whites,
583
00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:14,877
they called them
"black-and-normals".
584
00:29:15,963 --> 00:29:18,339
And they would call them that
in front of a reporter, by the way.
585
00:29:18,841 --> 00:29:21,759
So it's safe to say
that it was a sort of easy,
586
00:29:21,969 --> 00:29:23,928
call it racial insensitivity,
call it racism,
587
00:29:24,138 --> 00:29:25,054
within the department.
588
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:31,060
I moved to LA in 1988.
589
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:35,481
I had a really good friend
who lived there, and she said,
590
00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:38,901
"I have to give you the black man's
guide to survival in LA.
591
00:29:39,403 --> 00:29:42,238
Whatever you do,
don't fuck with LAPD."
592
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,824
[ Police dispatch chatter]
593
00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:49,120
In Los Angeles it was a day filled
with tension in many communities,
594
00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:51,622
because of the current wave
of gang warfare.
595
00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:53,374
I feel like a prisoner on the streets.
596
00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,127
This city has vowed
to stop gang violence,
597
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,463
but as police hunt
the people responsible,
598
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,506
they must follow a trail of bodies.
599
00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:02,508
We're gonna do
whatever's necessary,
600
00:30:02,885 --> 00:30:05,344
and I told my people
we're gonna wage a war.
601
00:30:09,892 --> 00:30:11,017
Operation Hammer,
602
00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:15,813
that was the belief that we
overwhelm the community
603
00:30:16,023 --> 00:30:20,067
with warrants where we believe
that we had violent criminals,
604
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,279
we could rid the problem.
605
00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,239
Ladies, down on the ground!
606
00:30:25,449 --> 00:30:27,200
Put your hands down,
kneel over there!
607
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:29,327
Over the past week or so,
Chief Gates,
608
00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:30,495
how many arrests have you made?
609
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:34,791
Well, in the last month we've made,
uh, about 3,000 arrests.
610
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,877
Uh, just in the last weekend
we made, uh, 1,400.
611
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:45,343
You just have a culture
of officers who felt that,
612
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:47,678
uh, the only way the world
will survive
613
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:50,431
is if we neutralize
these individuals
614
00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:52,183
as soon as possible.
615
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:53,434
Hands down, man.
616
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:55,937
And in the process of doing that,
617
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:58,564
they debased and demeaned
the community.
618
00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:04,320
You understand me?
619
00:31:07,783 --> 00:31:09,909
There was no conversation
with the community about
620
00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:11,828
"How should we deal with this?"
621
00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:14,914
It was just hammer,
hammer, hammer.
622
00:31:18,335 --> 00:31:22,839
We have a war.
We are going to be successful.
623
00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:25,341
Whatever it takes,
we will do it.
624
00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:38,229
I'd just put the kids into bed,
and the next thing I know,
625
00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:40,147
they just came in with guns
and they were saying, "Get down",
626
00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:41,816
and they grabbed me
by the back of my head,
627
00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:42,942
and he threw me on the floor,
628
00:31:43,277 --> 00:31:45,486
then they kicked me,
and they hit me on my back,
629
00:31:45,696 --> 00:31:46,821
and they said, "Get down, bitch."
630
00:31:47,197 --> 00:31:49,073
And then the kids were
just hollerin' and screamin'.
631
00:31:49,283 --> 00:31:49,991
And the next thing I know
632
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,534
they were just tearing
the place up.
633
00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:56,289
1988, 39th and Dalton.
634
00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:06,716
Not the best police practices.
635
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:10,386
Not the best way to manage
a, uh-- a warrant service.
636
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:13,139
Everything was destroyed as police
637
00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,433
batted and rammed their way
from room to room
638
00:32:15,642 --> 00:32:16,893
searching for drugs.
639
00:32:17,185 --> 00:32:20,313
Much of what they found were
screaming mothers and children.
640
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:23,024
This is my bedroom over here,
641
00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:26,193
but they even broke all the mirrors
and stuff out of the bed.
642
00:32:28,697 --> 00:32:31,741
They went in and literally
destroyed the apartment
643
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:36,162
where supposedly a lot
of drug activity was going on.
644
00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:40,416
All this resulted in three quarters
of an ounce of rock cocaine seized
645
00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:42,543
along with six ounces of pot.
646
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,006
You wouldn't go to Beverly Hills
and do that,
647
00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:49,759
even if you thought there was a--
a mafia hangout.
648
00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:53,596
Even if you thought
it was legitimate.
649
00:32:54,932 --> 00:32:58,017
I called my insurance,
and I told them what happened.
650
00:32:58,268 --> 00:33:00,978
He said he had never heard
of the police doing this.
651
00:33:02,731 --> 00:33:07,485
When you don't live in the community,
you don't think of 'em as human.
652
00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:10,821
In my wildest dreams,
would have never thought
653
00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:14,492
the police of the city of Los Angeles
would treat someone that way.
654
00:33:14,701 --> 00:33:16,035
They started kicking me.
655
00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:18,871
What they tell ya?
656
00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:20,122
They didn't tell me nothin',
657
00:33:20,374 --> 00:33:21,582
they started kicking me
and hitting me
658
00:33:21,792 --> 00:33:22,833
on my ribs and stuff.
659
00:33:23,877 --> 00:33:27,838
Chief Gates, we're proud of you,
We're proud to wear the 'PD blue.
660
00:33:28,048 --> 00:33:29,256
[ Applause ]
661
00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:32,885
You'd go to the power
of LAPD back then.
662
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:36,806
They pretty much could do
what they wanted to do.
663
00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:46,315
Yeah.
664
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:50,861
Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson,
and this season on HBO,
665
00:33:51,071 --> 00:33:53,280
I'm gonna be high-stepping
right into your living room.
666
00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:55,950
All right, we'll do it again.
667
00:33:57,411 --> 00:33:58,619
When O.J. was at SC,
668
00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:01,747
in my generation you didn't have
the jerseys you could go buy,
669
00:34:02,249 --> 00:34:04,458
so I would take my T-shirts
and write "Simpson",
670
00:34:04,751 --> 00:34:06,002
and I'd put, you know,
671
00:34:06,211 --> 00:34:09,714
like, you know, his number, 32,
and, "Okay, I'm O.J."
672
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,675
Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson,
and this season on HBO,
673
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:14,760
I'm gonna be high-stepping
right into your living room.
674
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,221
I just thought, "One day,
I wanna meet this guy."
675
00:34:17,431 --> 00:34:18,639
Okay, what's the next one?
676
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,100
And it was through Marcus Allen.
677
00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,853
Follow me through Training Camp,
and I guarantee that I'll--
678
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,563
Hey, Juice, I did hear my name.
679
00:34:25,772 --> 00:34:27,189
Hey, man, this is my spot,
Marcus.
680
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:28,524
Well, I've got the ball now.
681
00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:32,403
I'd been marketing Marcus
for a few years.
682
00:34:32,612 --> 00:34:33,821
And I told him, uh,
683
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:36,824
"O.J. ever needs a manager,
let me know."
684
00:34:37,034 --> 00:34:39,076
Training Camp is a time
to show what you can do.
685
00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:41,912
It's a time to show off your skills.
686
00:34:43,165 --> 00:34:45,124
You can prove yourself as a man.
687
00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:46,751
Blah, blah, blah.
688
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,128
I did public appearances,
endorsements,
689
00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:50,129
-TV commercials...
-[ Clears throat ]
690
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:51,672
...autograph signings,
691
00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:54,967
basically everything
encompassing his image.
692
00:34:55,552 --> 00:34:57,094
This week in Training Camp...
693
00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,764
This week in Training Camp...
694
00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:03,642
This week in Training Camp...
No.
695
00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:07,563
The big thing that has always been
in everybody's head is image.
696
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:08,773
Image is everything.
697
00:35:09,566 --> 00:35:14,153
Never do anything that is
going to harm his image.
698
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:16,781
Thank you guys.
699
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:17,740
I remember he had a--
700
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:20,826
a little hundred-yard dash
with Marcus Allen one day.
701
00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:24,288
And he had bad knees, O.J.,
from all the running.
702
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:27,041
And he beat fuckin' Marcus.
I couldn't believe it.
703
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:28,459
It's something inside of him.
704
00:35:29,294 --> 00:35:31,629
He wanted to win,
no matter what it took.
705
00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:35,216
Chopping through that swing.
And look out.
706
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:36,717
[ Applause ]
707
00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:41,138
When he first started playing golf,
he violated every rule.
708
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:45,059
Okay. He's gotta work
on his balance a little bit.
709
00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:47,436
I played with O.J.
and this other friend,
710
00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:49,313
Little Joe Kolkowitz.
711
00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:54,026
O.J. had the worst form
of anybody on this planet
712
00:35:54,236 --> 00:35:55,486
when he swung a golf club.
713
00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:01,450
One day, on the first tee,
he hits this big drive,
714
00:36:02,202 --> 00:36:04,954
and it hooks into the trees,
heavy stuff.
715
00:36:06,248 --> 00:36:08,916
So we go down the fairway,
we're waiting and waiting
716
00:36:09,126 --> 00:36:10,292
'til Joe goes after him.
717
00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:12,753
All of a sudden,
he finds his ball
718
00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:15,089
after a place where
we probably went over.
719
00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:21,846
He sees the ball sitting on a tee,
and he says to O.J.,
720
00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,264
"You can't do this shit, man."
721
00:36:24,766 --> 00:36:26,058
I go, "Juice, come on."
722
00:36:26,476 --> 00:36:30,187
"Do you know what the odds
of the ball landing on a tee
723
00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:32,064
in this area--?"
724
00:36:32,274 --> 00:36:36,235
He totally was not going
to confess to the whole thing.
725
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:39,363
He definitely cheated.
726
00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:41,282
Yes. Yes.
727
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,786
What he'd do,
he had a ball in his pants,
728
00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:47,621
and he'd drop it out and then,
729
00:36:47,831 --> 00:36:48,914
"Hey, you guys,
come on over here."
730
00:36:49,082 --> 00:36:50,416
You know, "Here's my ball."
731
00:36:51,835 --> 00:36:53,586
And he did that to the point
where finally
732
00:36:53,795 --> 00:36:56,547
a bunch of guys got together,
and they hired a caddy.
733
00:36:57,757 --> 00:36:59,341
We called it The Juice Patrol.
734
00:37:00,844 --> 00:37:03,179
And so he'd follow O.J.
around in another cart,
735
00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:05,055
[ Laughs ]
so he wouldn't cheat.
736
00:37:05,765 --> 00:37:08,851
It was funny. It was, you know,
it was like you couldn't get mad.
737
00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:10,936
It was very hard to get mad at him.
738
00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:17,193
One of the things you pride yourself in
in being a golfer
739
00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:18,527
is you don't cheat,
740
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,489
but people made a joke out of it,
741
00:37:22,699 --> 00:37:25,910
because they so badly
wanted him to understand
742
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,704
the rules and regulations
of this part of society
743
00:37:28,955 --> 00:37:31,123
that didn't tolerate
that type of behavior.
744
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,834
And yet he had
that amazing charm
745
00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:37,588
that you'd somehow let him
get away with certain things.
746
00:37:39,549 --> 00:37:41,508
-[ Applause ]
-Juice! Juice!
747
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,552
Juice! Juice!
748
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:45,930
Touchdown!
749
00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:47,890
Whenever you went
somewhere with him,
750
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:49,391
like, doors would just open,
751
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:52,478
and, you know, people would
pick up checks.
752
00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:55,105
I'd say to him, "Hey, Juice,
753
00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:57,942
how are we going to get in...
somewhere?
754
00:37:58,235 --> 00:37:59,235
We don't have any tickets."
755
00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:00,736
He would go like this--
756
00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:04,698
He-- That's his ticket.
757
00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:07,284
I think he became entitled.
758
00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:14,750
I certainly felt bedazzled
by O.J. and Nicole and their lifestyle,
759
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,586
and I was very charmed by him,
760
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:24,635
but I always did sense
that part of it was not sincere.
761
00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:27,179
The other side
is my better side, I think.
762
00:38:27,389 --> 00:38:28,180
Turn the other side for me.
763
00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:31,350
And I did feel that he
took advantage of that.
764
00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:37,314
And if you allowed him to,
I think he would, uh, use you.
765
00:38:37,524 --> 00:38:38,357
All right, we're set here.
766
00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:41,151
My kissable lips, ooh.
767
00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:44,363
While he was married,
his integrity was--
768
00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:48,993
I mean, uh... not as I would have it.
769
00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:50,286
I will put it that way.
770
00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:54,707
He was an incorrigible womanizer.
771
00:38:55,417 --> 00:38:56,625
He just never stopped.
772
00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:01,463
He cornered me a couple times
and tried to make, uh,
773
00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:07,052
sexual, you know, advance and,
you know, I kind of pushed him off.
774
00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:13,058
I think O.J. felt entitled
to anything O.J. wanted,
775
00:39:14,436 --> 00:39:18,564
and I think that he really needed
that adulation from other women.
776
00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:23,694
She knew he had affairs,
and it drove her crazy.
777
00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:25,362
Most of their big fights
778
00:39:25,572 --> 00:39:27,489
were about his affairs
with other women.
779
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:32,369
He went out of his way
to almost rub it in her face.
780
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,998
He'd be in Las Vegas at a show
and be holding hands
781
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:37,541
with another woman.
782
00:39:38,126 --> 00:39:40,336
She would be watching TV,
and, I mean,
783
00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:42,379
I don't know how she put up with it.
784
00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:45,466
He was pretty darn brazen.
785
00:39:46,593 --> 00:39:48,927
I think he even blamed his affair
with Tawny Kitaen
786
00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:51,180
on the fact that Nicole got fat
when she got pregnant.
787
00:39:51,848 --> 00:39:53,349
And he didn't wanna
have sex with her.
788
00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:56,935
Something as superficial
and cold as that.
789
00:39:57,896 --> 00:40:00,647
♪ ...on the hammock, take a little swing. ♪
790
00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:03,400
Look! See the trees?
791
00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:08,322
I told him, "Man, you're breaking
the laws of God,
792
00:40:09,157 --> 00:40:12,826
and nobody does it with immunity.
793
00:40:14,037 --> 00:40:15,496
You're gonna pay for it, man.
794
00:40:17,582 --> 00:40:21,668
One day everybody's gonna know
everything that you've done, man."
795
00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:52,074
[ Police siren ]
796
00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,412
When you hear a call come out,
797
00:40:56,621 --> 00:41:00,290
and the 911 operator puts out
on the call
798
00:41:00,583 --> 00:41:04,378
that she can hear the woman
being beaten in the background,
799
00:41:05,380 --> 00:41:06,880
that-- that's serious.
800
00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:11,927
When I got there,
801
00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:16,765
I saw an electronic buzzer system,
so I pushed the button.
802
00:41:17,892 --> 00:41:21,478
Almost simultaneously,
a tall, female blonde
803
00:41:21,688 --> 00:41:24,273
came running out of the bushes.
804
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:29,069
She's wearing nothin'
but a bra and sweatpants,
805
00:41:29,404 --> 00:41:30,362
covered in mud.
806
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:31,447
And she kept yelling,
807
00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:33,157
"He's gonna kill me!
He's gonna kill me!"
808
00:41:35,243 --> 00:41:36,827
When that gate opened,
she ran up
809
00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:40,205
and just put her arms around me
and clasped on me.
810
00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:44,293
She was so wet and cold
811
00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:46,962
that you could feel her
shivering to her bone.
812
00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:50,090
And I said,
"Well, who's gonna kill you?"
813
00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:51,675
She said, "O.J."
814
00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:55,888
She says, "You guys have been
up here eight times before.
815
00:41:56,222 --> 00:41:58,807
All you do is talk to him,
you never do anything.
816
00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:00,726
He's gonna kill me."
817
00:42:02,103 --> 00:42:03,687
Her face had already swollen.
818
00:42:04,147 --> 00:42:06,023
She actually had an imprint
819
00:42:06,232 --> 00:42:08,442
on one side of her face
and her forehead.
820
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:11,737
So I said, "Do you want him
arrested for beating you?"
821
00:42:11,946 --> 00:42:12,946
She said, "Yes."
822
00:42:14,657 --> 00:42:18,535
About that time, O.J. Simpson
came right up to the fence,
823
00:42:19,496 --> 00:42:21,079
and he started yelling,
824
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:23,832
"I don't want her in my bed anymore.
825
00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:24,917
I got two other women.
826
00:42:25,126 --> 00:42:26,710
I don't want her in my bed
anymore."
827
00:42:28,505 --> 00:42:31,089
He's got a receding hairline,
so you can see his forehead,
828
00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:35,344
and this vein was popping out,
pulsating,
829
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,554
and it was right up his forehead.
830
00:42:39,057 --> 00:42:42,601
I told him, "I'm placing you
under arrest for beating your wife.
831
00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:46,355
You're gonna have to go get dressed
so I can take you to jail."
832
00:42:48,024 --> 00:42:51,985
He turned around and went back
in the house to get dressed.
833
00:42:53,446 --> 00:42:58,367
Suddenly I saw a Bentley pull out
of the other driveway.
834
00:42:58,576 --> 00:42:59,326
[ Car tires screech ]
835
00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:01,870
So I said, "Back up.
He's trying to get away in a car."
836
00:43:03,748 --> 00:43:07,960
And we backed out of the driveway,
and I never caught him with that car.
837
00:43:08,169 --> 00:43:09,503
I never found him.
838
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:13,924
[ Marching band music ]
839
00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,468
Downtown Los Angeles,
little ocean haze.
840
00:43:16,678 --> 00:43:20,138
There is no smog today,
everybody's takin' it easy.
841
00:43:20,348 --> 00:43:23,767
Here at the 75th Rose Bowl game,
score 7-3.
842
00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,813
1989, Trojans were in the Rose Bowl.
843
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,649
I was privileged enough to--
to have sideline passes
844
00:43:30,984 --> 00:43:34,111
and that was actually the first time
I'd ever been to a Rose Bowl game
845
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,446
on the sidelines, 'cause
when I was a walk-on at USC,
846
00:43:36,656 --> 00:43:37,364
I never got to play.
847
00:43:37,574 --> 00:43:39,449
[ Crowd cheering ]
848
00:43:39,701 --> 00:43:42,119
I was just having
the time of my life.
849
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:45,247
All of a sudden, one of O.J.'s really,
really good friends
850
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:47,040
came up and tapped me
on the shoulder.
851
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:51,003
He said, "Hey, man, uh, O.J.
had a problem last night, you know,
852
00:43:51,713 --> 00:43:55,048
and, uh, he really needs
to talk to you."
853
00:43:55,258 --> 00:43:56,633
[ Crowd cheers ]
854
00:43:56,843 --> 00:43:57,968
[ Referee whistle blows ]
855
00:43:58,177 --> 00:43:58,885
It's over.
856
00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:00,637
[ Crowd cheers ]
857
00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:06,101
When I called, he said,
"Hey, man, I had a little riff.
858
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:07,686
Boys had to come out.
859
00:44:08,521 --> 00:44:10,147
Right now I feel like I'm a fugitive."
860
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:13,442
And he explained to me
that they had an argument,
861
00:44:14,193 --> 00:44:16,153
and she got real physical with him,
862
00:44:16,404 --> 00:44:19,031
and he had to defend himself
and grab her and hold her--
863
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:21,533
The way he-- he told me the story,
I'm thinkin',
864
00:44:21,743 --> 00:44:24,828
"Hey, man, no big deal. You know?
Um, you didn't hit her.
865
00:44:25,038 --> 00:44:26,288
You know, you said
she was aggressive,
866
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:27,956
and you were trying to
stop her from--
867
00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:31,752
from beating you up.
Um, no big deal."
868
00:44:31,961 --> 00:44:35,005
And-- And when I got to work
the next morning, it was a big deal.
869
00:44:39,886 --> 00:44:43,263
I got a call from downstairs,
"Someone wants to talk to you,"
870
00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:46,099
and there's Nicole in the lobby.
871
00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:48,060
"Hey, Nicole, what's up?"
872
00:44:48,269 --> 00:44:50,062
You know, she-- she goes,
"Did you hear about what happened?"
873
00:44:50,271 --> 00:44:51,772
I said, "Yeah, I did hear
what happened."
874
00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:54,274
And she told me
it wasn't the first time.
875
00:44:56,027 --> 00:44:57,653
Showed me the pictures
from the past...
876
00:44:57,987 --> 00:44:59,738
...beatings,
and I looked at those pictures
877
00:45:00,573 --> 00:45:02,908
and my heart just-- just, like, dropped.
878
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,370
I was like, "Man, this guy
is a typical batterer."
879
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:13,543
The '89 thing, the way I saw him
act in Hawaii that Christmas
880
00:45:13,795 --> 00:45:14,920
convinced me that, um,
881
00:45:15,296 --> 00:45:17,756
boy, there was something really,
really wrong.
882
00:45:20,551 --> 00:45:24,805
He freaked out about Nicole
sitting their little son
883
00:45:25,139 --> 00:45:29,267
next to a homosexual
in a restaurant they were at.
884
00:45:30,186 --> 00:45:31,353
I mean, he just freaked.
885
00:45:32,689 --> 00:45:35,023
And they fought
all the way back.
886
00:45:35,608 --> 00:45:40,404
The next day I got a call that, uh,
he freaked out on New Year's Eve,
887
00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:41,363
and he beat the hell out of her.
888
00:45:43,324 --> 00:45:46,076
Nicole knew that I used to
teach domestic violence
889
00:45:46,494 --> 00:45:47,411
for the Los Angeles
Police Department.
890
00:45:48,371 --> 00:45:49,788
And she asked me,
891
00:45:50,832 --> 00:45:52,040
"O.J.'s dad is gay.
892
00:45:52,959 --> 00:45:56,878
Do you think this is
why he beats me?"
893
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,300
And I was like, "I-- I, you know,
I don't know,
894
00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:05,679
but a lot of that stuff has to do
with their self-esteem."
895
00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:11,810
O.J. Simpson that night
896
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:15,063
definitely got
preferential treatment.
897
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:20,235
Had that have been anybody else,
you or me, we'd have gone to jail.
898
00:46:23,698 --> 00:46:24,948
I did place him under arrest.
899
00:46:25,742 --> 00:46:27,826
I tried my best,
but couldn't get to him.
900
00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:31,329
But when you tell someone
they're under arrest,
901
00:46:31,873 --> 00:46:33,373
they are under arrest.
902
00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:36,710
If he flees,
then, he's a fleeing felon.
903
00:46:39,046 --> 00:46:43,633
But the unique thing about O.J. is
it was O.J.
904
00:46:44,552 --> 00:46:48,180
Where can he go?
Where can he hide?
905
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:50,974
Where can he run to...
906
00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:54,102
on the face of this earth?
907
00:46:55,646 --> 00:46:57,439
Where can he go?
908
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:07,449
[ Police dispatch chatter ]
909
00:47:11,913 --> 00:47:15,040
[ Police sirens ]
910
00:47:21,088 --> 00:47:22,881
[ Helicopter blades ]
911
00:47:41,609 --> 00:47:43,318
Now the story that might never
have surfaced
912
00:47:43,528 --> 00:47:45,654
if someone hadn't picked up
his home video camera.
913
00:47:47,949 --> 00:47:50,826
I can remember that moment
like it was yesterday.
914
00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,329
I was laying in my bed,
and I called out to my wife.
915
00:47:54,539 --> 00:47:56,832
I said, "You gotta come see,
you can't believe this."
916
00:47:58,543 --> 00:48:02,295
How will the police justify this one?
917
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:05,924
How will they get out of this one?
918
00:48:07,468 --> 00:48:10,345
Police say the man,
25-year-old Rodney King,
919
00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:14,266
was involved in a high-speed chase,
wanted as a parole violator.
920
00:48:15,268 --> 00:48:17,435
The police department says
there will be no comment
921
00:48:17,645 --> 00:48:19,396
until its investigation is complete.
922
00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:21,898
As yet, no charges have been filed.
923
00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:27,696
This is what happens when you
take away a tool
924
00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:30,866
that would have ended this
in 10 seconds.
925
00:48:33,411 --> 00:48:34,327
Choke hold.
926
00:48:39,375 --> 00:48:42,961
Look how this thing looks.
You can't justify that.
927
00:48:47,216 --> 00:48:49,009
I was the captain at Watts
at the time.
928
00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:50,260
Atten-hut.
929
00:48:50,511 --> 00:48:52,429
The next day, we had a training day.
930
00:48:52,972 --> 00:48:56,975
I remember standing in front
of all of the troops, and I told them,
931
00:48:58,019 --> 00:49:02,147
"The LAPD will never be
the same again."
932
00:49:04,984 --> 00:49:06,359
Oh, it was devastating,
933
00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:09,487
because there's gonna be a belief
that if these guys do it,
934
00:49:09,697 --> 00:49:10,739
everybody else does it.
935
00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:13,366
Those guys driving down the street
in the black-and-white do that.
936
00:49:13,784 --> 00:49:15,410
And that's just not the case.
937
00:49:16,329 --> 00:49:19,414
But that visual image,
folks remember that,
938
00:49:19,665 --> 00:49:21,249
and they will take it
to their grave.
939
00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:23,960
That home video showing
a black motorist
940
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:26,129
being beaten by a white
Los Angeles policeman
941
00:49:26,339 --> 00:49:28,798
has triggered investigations
now by the FBI,
942
00:49:29,008 --> 00:49:30,008
the district attorney there,
943
00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:31,635
and the police department itself.
944
00:49:31,886 --> 00:49:36,181
The media didn't give LAPD
a break on this one.
945
00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:40,518
They showed that tape
over and over and over.
946
00:49:40,853 --> 00:49:42,646
I mean, it wasn't just in Los Angeles.
947
00:49:42,855 --> 00:49:44,314
It was all over the world.
948
00:49:44,607 --> 00:49:47,484
[ French-language newscast ]
949
00:49:47,693 --> 00:49:49,569
I was embarrassed
for Los Angeles.
950
00:49:51,739 --> 00:49:55,241
The real significance wasn't
what you saw on the tape.
951
00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:57,911
That tape became exhibit one
952
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,082
for every mishandled abuse
and excessive force incident
953
00:50:02,583 --> 00:50:04,417
that anyone had
ever experienced.
954
00:50:04,627 --> 00:50:05,961
This is an aberration.
955
00:50:06,212 --> 00:50:08,046
This is something that should
never have happened.
956
00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:11,091
We had in place
all of the procedures
957
00:50:11,676 --> 00:50:13,301
that would keep it
from happening.
958
00:50:13,886 --> 00:50:16,554
Those procedures fell down
because of human error.
959
00:50:17,056 --> 00:50:18,890
And we will deal with that
human error.
960
00:50:19,767 --> 00:50:23,436
I believe things like that
do happen from time to time,
961
00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:24,980
but they are anomalies.
962
00:50:25,189 --> 00:50:27,649
That's not what happens
all day, every day
963
00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:29,818
in the thousands of contacts
that occur.
964
00:50:30,528 --> 00:50:32,070
I don't believe it.
I'll never believe it.
965
00:50:32,446 --> 00:50:35,448
Daryl Gates started out saying
it was an aberration.
966
00:50:36,993 --> 00:50:41,162
And we say, "Darryl,
don't you remember Eulia Love?"
967
00:50:41,372 --> 00:50:43,164
[ Cheering ]
968
00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:46,543
I think the thing that's most shocking
about the King incident
969
00:50:46,752 --> 00:50:48,253
isn't even what happens to King.
970
00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:51,214
It's the fact that all those officers
971
00:50:51,424 --> 00:50:53,466
go back to their police divisions
that night,
972
00:50:54,093 --> 00:50:56,761
none of them knowing
that a video tape exists.
973
00:50:56,971 --> 00:50:58,471
They all file their reports
974
00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:01,933
and not one of 'em says,
in any document,
975
00:51:02,435 --> 00:51:04,102
that they saw anything go wrong.
976
00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:08,106
That suggests to me
a culture in which
977
00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:11,109
this wasn't perceived
as something wrong.
978
00:51:12,945 --> 00:51:14,195
In Los Angeles today,
979
00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:17,157
four men were arrested,
photographed, and fingerprinted.
980
00:51:17,366 --> 00:51:18,241
They were policemen,
981
00:51:18,534 --> 00:51:20,368
charged with assault
with a deadly weapon
982
00:51:20,578 --> 00:51:22,495
in the beating of a black motorist.
983
00:51:22,705 --> 00:51:23,705
Named in the indictment:
984
00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:26,041
officers Laurence Powell,
Ted Briseno
985
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:27,083
and Timothy Wind
986
00:51:27,293 --> 00:51:29,919
and their supervising sergeant,
Stacey Koon.
987
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:33,631
The FBI will investigate
whether the federal civil rights
988
00:51:33,841 --> 00:51:36,092
of the victim, Rodney King,
have been violated.
989
00:51:37,053 --> 00:51:39,137
A story is not a story
unless there's conflict.
990
00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:41,973
Do you really wanna say
this is a felon
991
00:51:42,183 --> 00:51:44,017
speeding on the freeway
under the influence
992
00:51:44,226 --> 00:51:46,019
of a hallucinogenic and/or alcohol,
993
00:51:46,395 --> 00:51:48,063
or do you wanna say
he's a "motorist",
994
00:51:48,272 --> 00:51:50,482
and he was stopped
by these racist cops?
995
00:51:50,691 --> 00:51:51,775
How do you know these cops
are racist?
996
00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:54,110
They are not racist.
997
00:51:55,154 --> 00:51:57,906
The furor is only growing
with the revelations
998
00:51:58,115 --> 00:52:01,159
of police communications over
their in-car computer terminals.
999
00:52:01,494 --> 00:52:03,870
An earlier message
from the Powell-Wind unit
1000
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,373
referred to a previous call as
"`right out of Gorillas in the Mist."
1001
00:52:09,418 --> 00:52:11,169
Has there been times
that we've been brutal,
1002
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:13,296
uh, used excessive force?
1003
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:14,631
Absolutely.
1004
00:52:16,342 --> 00:52:19,844
The racist part is really tough
to choke down for me.
1005
00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:23,306
During my 38 years there,
I didn't see it.
1006
00:52:23,808 --> 00:52:27,018
Civil rights organizations say
the Los Angeles police department
1007
00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:29,521
has a history of brutality
and misconduct
1008
00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:31,564
that goes back
a quarter of a century,
1009
00:52:32,191 --> 00:52:34,651
including one incident
that sparked the Watts riots.
1010
00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:39,531
We want effective law-enforcement
in the city of Los Angeles.
1011
00:52:39,865 --> 00:52:42,117
You take an oath
to protect and serve,
1012
00:52:42,326 --> 00:52:43,701
but when you come
to the black community,
1013
00:52:43,911 --> 00:52:45,829
all you do is abuse!
1014
00:52:46,455 --> 00:52:47,872
Hey, hey! Ho, ho!
1015
00:52:48,082 --> 00:52:52,418
You can only take so many shots
publicly before your reputation
1016
00:52:52,628 --> 00:52:57,382
is so soiled that it can be
manipulated over and over again.
1017
00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:02,303
That will always be included
in the argument to demonstrate
1018
00:53:02,596 --> 00:53:06,808
how brutal and insensitive
and racist the LAPD is.
1019
00:53:07,601 --> 00:53:09,853
It's like you can't put Humpty Dumpty
back together again.
1020
00:53:11,105 --> 00:53:14,858
We're outraged, we're disgusted,
and let's close this one with,
1021
00:53:15,067 --> 00:53:20,238
No more! No more! No more!
No more! No more! No more!
1022
00:53:42,595 --> 00:53:48,850
It comes to Latasha Harlins,
coming to the counter
1023
00:53:49,435 --> 00:53:52,270
with what she was going to buy
in one hand,
1024
00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,439
money in the other.
1025
00:53:57,860 --> 00:53:59,360
Altercation,
1026
00:54:03,949 --> 00:54:05,575
walks away,
1027
00:54:06,994 --> 00:54:10,038
is shot in the back of the head.
1028
00:54:14,168 --> 00:54:16,377
Latasha Harlins really hit home,
1029
00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:18,880
because my daughter was
the same age as Latasha Harlins.
1030
00:54:22,593 --> 00:54:25,720
Rodney King didn't touch me
as much as Latasha Harlins,
1031
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:27,472
because this girl was killed.
1032
00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:33,144
She was a little teenage girl
buying some orange juice.
1033
00:54:33,395 --> 00:54:34,270
Mm-mm.
1034
00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,316
That-- that could've been my child.
1035
00:54:38,943 --> 00:54:40,360
Up until Saturday morning,
1036
00:54:40,569 --> 00:54:43,571
Soon Ja Du was a Korean grocer
in Los Angeles.
1037
00:54:43,948 --> 00:54:45,490
Now she's an alleged criminal,
1038
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:48,243
facing a first-degree
murder charge.
1039
00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:51,579
Well, at this time, she's looking
at a maximum of 30 years to life.
1040
00:54:52,081 --> 00:54:54,874
According to witnesses
and a security camera video tape,
1041
00:54:55,167 --> 00:54:57,293
Harlins never tried to steal the juice.
1042
00:54:57,711 --> 00:55:01,089
Instead, investigators say Du
angrily confronted the girl
1043
00:55:01,382 --> 00:55:03,925
and then shot her
with a .38 caliber handgun.
1044
00:55:04,176 --> 00:55:07,262
I hope and I know that justice
will serve itself,
1045
00:55:07,471 --> 00:55:09,347
and she will get what she deserved.
1046
00:55:11,141 --> 00:55:15,478
Soon Ja Du had no respect
for that young woman.
1047
00:55:16,647 --> 00:55:20,316
The way they beat Rodney King,
okay?
1048
00:55:20,526 --> 00:55:22,527
Her shooting Latasha Harlins...
1049
00:55:22,736 --> 00:55:27,282
It's the same people, okay,
that are being victimized.
1050
00:55:29,743 --> 00:55:33,621
The recommendation of the people
was maximum state prison.
1051
00:55:33,956 --> 00:55:36,708
I think that the death
of Latasha deserved that.
1052
00:55:37,293 --> 00:55:39,210
The court decided otherwise.
1053
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:41,838
Mrs. Du is placed on formal probation
1054
00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:45,008
for five years on the following
terms and conditions.
1055
00:55:45,217 --> 00:55:48,970
Mrs. Du is to perform 400 hours
of community service.
1056
00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:50,930
Get the cameras off!
1057
00:55:52,558 --> 00:55:54,392
No cameras! Get the camera
out of my face!
1058
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,769
The judge called for peace.
She said--
1059
00:55:56,979 --> 00:55:59,355
How can you have peace when--?
When this is going on?
1060
00:56:00,065 --> 00:56:03,651
What? This woman killed a child.
1061
00:56:03,902 --> 00:56:06,404
She killed a child
and not getting any jail time?
1062
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,366
I-- I-- I haven't gotten over that,
really.
1063
00:56:10,576 --> 00:56:18,541
Wake up, Los Angeles! Wake up!
Let not her blood be in vain!
1064
00:56:18,751 --> 00:56:21,586
Latasha was killed,
our family was killed.
1065
00:56:21,795 --> 00:56:22,545
-Yeah!
-That's right!
1066
00:56:22,755 --> 00:56:26,382
Racism is not the Korean killing her,
racism is the courts system...
1067
00:56:26,592 --> 00:56:28,384
-That's right!
-...that allows her to kill her.
1068
00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:30,511
Karlin must go!
Karlin must go!
1069
00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:33,598
Chanting "Karlin must go",
angry protesters
1070
00:56:33,807 --> 00:56:36,726
stormed through security checkpoints
at the courthouse in Compton.
1071
00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:38,686
[ Overlapping angry yelling ]
1072
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,899
They are still outraged over
Judge Joyce Karlin's decision
1073
00:56:43,108 --> 00:56:45,860
not to send Latasha Harlins'
killer to jail.
1074
00:56:46,362 --> 00:56:49,447
They are willing to go to jail
to get their point across.
1075
00:56:50,157 --> 00:56:52,575
In the community, you go to jail
for selling crack
1076
00:56:52,785 --> 00:56:54,327
for 20 years, 20 and 30 years.
1077
00:56:54,536 --> 00:56:57,663
How you gonna kill somebody
and get probation?
1078
00:56:58,749 --> 00:57:00,208
What kind of sense
does that make?
1079
00:57:00,959 --> 00:57:02,543
What kind of justice is that?
1080
00:57:06,507 --> 00:57:08,091
39th and Dalton,
1081
00:57:11,095 --> 00:57:12,678
then Rodney King,
1082
00:57:13,722 --> 00:57:16,349
then Latasha Harlins.
1083
00:57:17,476 --> 00:57:21,145
Three defining issues
in different ways,
1084
00:57:21,563 --> 00:57:23,606
but the tension
in the environment
1085
00:57:23,816 --> 00:57:28,945
and the disrespect shown
to Black life was the theme.
1086
00:57:34,827 --> 00:57:37,161
ESPN presents...
1087
00:57:39,498 --> 00:57:40,706
Sports Look
1088
00:57:41,917 --> 00:57:44,252
with the personalities
and cover stories
1089
00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:46,629
making news in the world of sport.
1090
00:57:47,798 --> 00:57:50,591
Now, here's your host,
Roy Firestone.
1091
00:57:51,343 --> 00:57:53,845
When you live your life
so publicly and, uh,
1092
00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:56,931
really almost with such ease,
1093
00:57:57,224 --> 00:57:59,892
uh, it's hard to believe that there
could ever be any rocky time.
1094
00:58:00,185 --> 00:58:01,477
The reason I'm bringing that
to light now
1095
00:58:01,687 --> 00:58:03,104
is not to dredge it up again,
1096
00:58:03,439 --> 00:58:05,982
but more or less talk
about how things can get distorted
1097
00:58:06,233 --> 00:58:08,734
to such a point that you are
portrayed as the bad guy.
1098
00:58:09,194 --> 00:58:11,028
Um, New Year's Eve,
1099
00:58:11,447 --> 00:58:12,780
you had a little bit
too much to drink.
1100
00:58:13,157 --> 00:58:14,073
-There was some--
-Uh, you know, that's--
1101
00:58:14,283 --> 00:58:15,158
You know, actually,
1102
00:58:15,367 --> 00:58:17,160
you know, my wife and I
have been together for 12 years
1103
00:58:17,786 --> 00:58:19,370
and it really--
when I look at it,
1104
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:20,913
it wasn't really
that big of a fight,
1105
00:58:21,123 --> 00:58:23,958
it's just that because of, uh,
it being New Year's Eve--
1106
00:58:24,168 --> 00:58:25,126
Right.
1107
00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:26,043
--because it's three o'clock
in the mornin',
1108
00:58:26,253 --> 00:58:27,420
just finished a big party,
1109
00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:30,756
uh, it got a little verb--
it-- it got a little loud.
1110
00:58:30,966 --> 00:58:31,674
[ Laughs ]
1111
00:58:31,884 --> 00:58:33,968
Here's-- here's my point,
the point I'm making, Juice--
1112
00:58:34,178 --> 00:58:34,886
Yeah.
1113
00:58:35,095 --> 00:58:36,429
--is that it got to such a point
1114
00:58:36,638 --> 00:58:39,849
that you were portrayed in the press
for a while there like a wife beater.
1115
00:58:40,058 --> 00:58:41,601
Yeah, well, and that bothered me.
1116
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:43,561
Obviously, it bothered
my whole family.
1117
00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:45,771
I mean, uh, you know,
the day after this was over,
1118
00:58:45,981 --> 00:58:46,939
you know, we looked at, say--
1119
00:58:47,149 --> 00:58:48,024
you know, we had a fight,
1120
00:58:48,233 --> 00:58:49,275
we were both guilty.
1121
00:58:49,485 --> 00:58:52,028
No one was hurt, was no big deal,
and we got on with our life.
1122
00:58:56,492 --> 00:59:00,077
I had always suspected
that they had violent fights.
1123
00:59:01,497 --> 00:59:05,833
The day of my wedding
I found out that Nicole and O.J.
1124
00:59:06,043 --> 00:59:06,959
were not going to be attending...
1125
00:59:08,629 --> 00:59:09,879
and he said it was because
1126
00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:14,050
Nicole was having very bad cramps
from her period.
1127
00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:16,886
I thought it was a lie.
1128
00:59:19,473 --> 00:59:22,975
It was always Nicole's fault.
I mean, even the '89 thing.
1129
00:59:23,477 --> 00:59:25,436
When I cornered him sitting
on a golf cart,
1130
00:59:25,646 --> 00:59:26,938
I listened for nine holes,
1131
00:59:27,189 --> 00:59:29,607
everything that she did wrong
to create what had happened.
1132
00:59:29,858 --> 00:59:32,527
"You think that she's bruised up,
you should have seen my face,"
1133
00:59:32,736 --> 00:59:35,446
you know, the-- the whole pity thing
that he always went through.
1134
00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:40,451
I think anybody that knew them...
it was over.
1135
00:59:41,161 --> 00:59:44,497
Then it was a matter of when
would Nicole have the fortitude
1136
00:59:44,706 --> 00:59:47,083
to just completely walk away.
1137
00:59:51,046 --> 00:59:52,255
She said, "Ron,
1138
00:59:52,839 --> 00:59:55,258
if it wasn't for the kids,
I'd be out of here."
1139
00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:58,177
And then I get a call from O.J.
1140
00:59:58,512 --> 01:00:00,388
He says, "You gotta help me here.
1141
01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:02,515
You-- you gotta help
save this marriage.
1142
01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:06,310
You gotta talk to Nicole,
tell her I'll never do it again."
1143
01:00:07,521 --> 01:00:10,731
I saw her start to soften,
because by this time,
1144
01:00:10,941 --> 01:00:13,859
O.J. is just doing everything
with the kids.
1145
01:00:14,361 --> 01:00:15,570
And they're just having a great time,
1146
01:00:15,779 --> 01:00:17,154
he's taking them here,
he's taking them there.
1147
01:00:17,364 --> 01:00:18,531
She's looking at me goin',
1148
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:23,119
"Hey, Ron, he's really changing.
He's really changing."
1149
01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:29,709
When it turned toward
the domestic violence,
1150
01:00:30,294 --> 01:00:33,045
that was one
that nobody wanted to hear.
1151
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:35,047
The police didn't wanna hear it,
1152
01:00:35,257 --> 01:00:37,174
most certainly Hertz
didn't wanna hear it,
1153
01:00:37,676 --> 01:00:38,968
NBC didn't wanna hear it.
1154
01:00:39,219 --> 01:00:41,012
Nobody wanted to deal with that.
1155
01:00:41,221 --> 01:00:43,306
Back to you, Bob.
[ Laughing ]
1156
01:00:46,143 --> 01:00:48,060
When we heard that,
I thought that was it.
1157
01:00:48,270 --> 01:00:49,228
That's-- it's over.
1158
01:00:51,189 --> 01:00:54,942
You know who called me to tell me
that it was a false arrest?
1159
01:00:55,944 --> 01:00:56,986
Nicole.
1160
01:00:59,031 --> 01:01:01,032
Nicole called me and said,
1161
01:01:01,241 --> 01:01:03,451
"Frank, it didn't happen that way."
1162
01:01:04,745 --> 01:01:08,205
They'd had a terrible argument,
but he wasn't abusive.
1163
01:01:08,582 --> 01:01:10,249
They just overreacted.
1164
01:01:12,794 --> 01:01:15,379
I certainly understand
how she got involved with him,
1165
01:01:15,756 --> 01:01:18,841
and I could understand how hard
it would be to leave that.
1166
01:01:20,594 --> 01:01:21,844
There was a lot to leave.
1167
01:01:23,138 --> 01:01:26,140
Especially if it was to go back
to your parents' house
1168
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:29,018
in Laguna Beach and start over.
1169
01:01:30,854 --> 01:01:35,816
O.J. was the income producer
for the family.
1170
01:01:36,777 --> 01:01:40,196
For not only just Nicole and O.J.
1171
01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:45,242
but for Nicole's father,
and mother, sisters...
1172
01:01:45,911 --> 01:01:48,120
He was the-- the money man.
1173
01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:54,418
Nicole told me that she felt
her family would side with O.J.
1174
01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,922
And that-- and that disturbed her
a great deal.
1175
01:02:01,259 --> 01:02:03,469
Nicole was like the trophy to him.
1176
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:05,429
You know, something that--
that he possessed,
1177
01:02:06,098 --> 01:02:07,765
that he wanted control of,
you know?
1178
01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:10,351
And "You better do what I say,"
but, you know,
1179
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:11,686
"You better go along
with this program."
1180
01:02:12,187 --> 01:02:14,897
I-- I totally believe
he was concerned about his image.
1181
01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:17,191
What kind of public reaction
did you get,
1182
01:02:17,401 --> 01:02:19,819
and what kind of corporate reaction
did you get, Juice?
1183
01:02:20,028 --> 01:02:23,948
Surprisingly, so supportive
it was unbelievable, you know?
1184
01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:25,074
So supportive, you know?
1185
01:02:25,283 --> 01:02:27,993
Uh, most of the people that I work with
know us real well,
1186
01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:30,746
so they can see first-hand
that there was, uh, you know, that,
1187
01:02:30,956 --> 01:02:32,415
hey, our relationship
was as strong as--
1188
01:02:32,624 --> 01:02:36,168
not only as it's ever been,
but as strong as any body's I know.
1189
01:02:36,378 --> 01:02:38,379
So nobody dropped you
from any contracts?
1190
01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:39,922
-No. No. No.
-See, the one thing that--
1191
01:02:40,132 --> 01:02:40,965
another thing people
don't realize about O.J.
1192
01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:45,010
is he is extremely, uh, well-involved
in the business community.
1193
01:02:45,220 --> 01:02:46,971
And he doesn't wanna do this,
'cause it's embarrassing to him,
1194
01:02:47,305 --> 01:02:49,098
but he is one of the owners
of HoneyBaked Hams,
1195
01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:51,308
uh, Ramada Inns,
a couple of Ramada Inns,
1196
01:02:51,518 --> 01:02:52,560
three Ramada Inns,
1197
01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:54,270
very involved, of course,
with Hertz.
1198
01:02:54,604 --> 01:02:56,647
And when something
like this happens,
1199
01:02:56,857 --> 01:02:57,690
it takes a toll,
1200
01:02:57,899 --> 01:02:59,775
it takes a bite out of it,
but, you know,
1201
01:02:59,985 --> 01:03:01,444
it boun-- you bounce back
from something like this.
1202
01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:04,321
Once they really, really
got back together,
1203
01:03:04,823 --> 01:03:06,365
you know, I mean,
we were still friends, you know,
1204
01:03:06,575 --> 01:03:07,700
I still know the guy and everything,
1205
01:03:08,368 --> 01:03:09,618
but, you know,
1206
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,704
he kinda had that, uh, attitude,
1207
01:03:11,997 --> 01:03:14,206
"I'm back. I knew I'd be back."
1208
01:03:14,416 --> 01:03:17,251
You know, "Hey...
Don't worry about it."
1209
01:03:17,461 --> 01:03:19,044
You know, "Everything's fine."
1210
01:03:21,047 --> 01:03:24,717
This is where O.J. Simpson
performed community service
1211
01:03:25,135 --> 01:03:27,678
as part of his sentence
for beating his wife, Nicole.
1212
01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:30,973
For part of his punishment,
Simpson went golfing.
1213
01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:33,934
He spent his 120 hours
of community service
1214
01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:35,853
organizing a celebrity tournament.
1215
01:03:36,521 --> 01:03:40,065
Prosecutors in the case say
they wanted him to go to jail.
1216
01:03:44,946 --> 01:03:49,158
Can you imagine if every time he did
something violent like that
1217
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:51,786
that a report would've been made?
1218
01:03:52,746 --> 01:03:55,623
When I got to the station,
I checked the computer,
1219
01:03:55,832 --> 01:04:00,628
there would have been eight previous
domestic incident reports on file.
1220
01:04:01,671 --> 01:04:04,089
Then I would have put that
in my report
1221
01:04:04,382 --> 01:04:07,051
and sent it on to the prosecutor,
1222
01:04:07,469 --> 01:04:10,763
that most likely that would have
been filed as a felony.
1223
01:04:11,765 --> 01:04:16,060
Because it would have shown
that a slap on the hand
1224
01:04:16,269 --> 01:04:19,188
is not going to cure this
from happening again.
1225
01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:23,067
And that's why I hung
onto the report.
1226
01:04:23,443 --> 01:04:25,653
I don't have a garage full of reports,
1227
01:04:26,112 --> 01:04:29,657
I have one report, one,
1228
01:04:30,116 --> 01:04:33,577
that was O.J. Simpson's report
because I thought
1229
01:04:34,246 --> 01:04:38,833
that the case might be mishandled,
and I needed proof
1230
01:04:39,042 --> 01:04:40,167
that it actually happened,
1231
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:44,213
and I thought he was gonna kill her.
1232
01:04:55,725 --> 01:04:58,978
A controversial case involving
four Los Angeles police officers
1233
01:04:59,187 --> 01:05:00,062
goes to court today.
1234
01:05:00,272 --> 01:05:01,438
The officers face charges
1235
01:05:01,648 --> 01:05:03,983
stemming from the videotaped
beating of a motorist.
1236
01:05:04,192 --> 01:05:06,110
The case has already
raised accusations
1237
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:08,487
of officially-sanctioned racism
and brutality.
1238
01:05:09,364 --> 01:05:11,365
At issue is the use of force.
1239
01:05:11,825 --> 01:05:14,410
The question is whether
their force was justified
1240
01:05:14,619 --> 01:05:16,787
by King's behavior
before the camera rolled.
1241
01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:21,458
I don't think that that
should have been prosecuted.
1242
01:05:22,335 --> 01:05:24,044
Those officers had
about two seconds to make up
1243
01:05:24,254 --> 01:05:25,421
their mind to do something,
1244
01:05:25,672 --> 01:05:27,965
and they did what they thought
was right at the time.
1245
01:05:28,341 --> 01:05:30,426
When is too much?
When is not enough?
1246
01:05:31,553 --> 01:05:33,554
Should they go to trial?
Definitely not.
1247
01:05:35,473 --> 01:05:38,100
On film, what you see was illegal.
1248
01:05:38,894 --> 01:05:40,477
There had to be a prosecution,
1249
01:05:40,687 --> 01:05:45,399
and if there isn't a legitimate reason
for this,
1250
01:05:46,109 --> 01:05:48,193
there's jail time involved
with this one.
1251
01:05:50,488 --> 01:05:52,907
I was fairly new to LA,
so I'm thinkin',
1252
01:05:53,116 --> 01:05:57,578
"Hey, we got 'em-- we got 'em cold.
This time we'll get justice."
1253
01:05:58,455 --> 01:06:01,624
And there were people who had lived
in those communities a long time,
1254
01:06:01,833 --> 01:06:02,750
and they were saying,
1255
01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:06,003
"Well, you know, maybe.
I hope so.
1256
01:06:06,671 --> 01:06:08,047
But it's not a done deal."
1257
01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:12,468
In a brand-new courthouse
in a distant LA suburb
1258
01:06:12,677 --> 01:06:13,969
called Simi Valley,
1259
01:06:14,262 --> 01:06:16,847
the city's drama is putting
a little town on the map.
1260
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:18,974
The defense had the trial moved
1261
01:06:19,184 --> 01:06:21,560
from Los Angeles county
to this bedroom suburb.
1262
01:06:21,937 --> 01:06:25,314
This area is notably more white
and conservative than LA.
1263
01:06:27,442 --> 01:06:29,109
It was a horrible decision.
1264
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:31,028
It was the worst possible decision.
1265
01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:34,782
And a lot of LAPD officers
live in Simi Valley.
1266
01:06:36,952 --> 01:06:39,370
The idea is that you get
a representative cross-section
1267
01:06:39,579 --> 01:06:41,830
of the community, that's what
the sixth amendment talks about,
1268
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,084
and that people come in
with different life experiences,
1269
01:06:45,335 --> 01:06:46,418
because you really do need
1270
01:06:46,628 --> 01:06:48,545
the people to come
from different walks of life
1271
01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:52,007
so that you get a complete
understanding of the testimony.
1272
01:06:52,592 --> 01:06:54,885
Completely in fear for my life,
scared to death
1273
01:06:55,095 --> 01:06:56,345
that if this guy got back up,
1274
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:58,931
he was gonna take my gun
away from me.
1275
01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:02,434
Cases involving charges
against police officers
1276
01:07:02,644 --> 01:07:03,936
are rarely slam dunks.
1277
01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:05,938
Even when they're on videotape.
1278
01:07:06,356 --> 01:07:08,816
Do you believe that the actions
of your officers
1279
01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:11,610
up to this point were having
any effect on Mr. King?
1280
01:07:11,987 --> 01:07:15,364
None at all. This was a managed
and controlled use of force.
1281
01:07:15,573 --> 01:07:17,032
It followed the policies
and procedures
1282
01:07:17,242 --> 01:07:19,118
of Los Angeles Police Department
and the training.
1283
01:07:19,744 --> 01:07:22,079
Now,
as the defense presents its case,
1284
01:07:22,455 --> 01:07:24,873
civil rights lawyers
like Johnnie Cochran worry
1285
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:27,292
that convictions are far from certain,
1286
01:07:27,669 --> 01:07:30,004
because the prosecutors seem
to lack experience
1287
01:07:30,213 --> 01:07:31,255
dealing with cops.
1288
01:07:31,673 --> 01:07:34,174
Somebody with some experience
has to stand up and say,
1289
01:07:34,384 --> 01:07:35,884
"Look, you can't get away with this.
1290
01:07:36,094 --> 01:07:38,053
This isn't right,
and we're not gonna let it happen."
1291
01:07:38,263 --> 01:07:40,389
The prosecution's strategy
seems to be
1292
01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:43,308
to let the violence
of the videotape speak for itself.
1293
01:07:43,977 --> 01:07:47,771
But nobody is certain anymore
what that tape is saying to the jury.
1294
01:07:49,399 --> 01:07:52,609
I had been telling my people
at Time Magazine,
1295
01:07:52,819 --> 01:07:54,028
"There's something going on.
1296
01:07:55,030 --> 01:07:56,321
We need to pay attention.
1297
01:07:57,532 --> 01:08:00,909
There's a story here
beyond this trial."
1298
01:08:03,371 --> 01:08:06,123
I just sensed there was this unrest.
1299
01:08:22,932 --> 01:08:26,560
The day started like any other day,
but it really wasn't.
1300
01:08:26,770 --> 01:08:29,104
We were waiting for the verdict
to be handed down in the trial
1301
01:08:29,314 --> 01:08:31,231
of the four white police officers
1302
01:08:31,441 --> 01:08:33,609
that were charged
with beating Rodney King.
1303
01:08:34,611 --> 01:08:35,903
Sergeant Koon, how are you feeling?
1304
01:08:36,988 --> 01:08:37,946
No comment.
1305
01:08:38,698 --> 01:08:40,115
I got up that morning and I said,
1306
01:08:40,325 --> 01:08:41,950
"I gotta go out there
and see what's going on."
1307
01:08:42,327 --> 01:08:44,703
So I got on the freeway
and started looking for Simi Valley.
1308
01:08:47,290 --> 01:08:49,166
It's a all-white town.
1309
01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:52,044
I only saw white people
out there that day,
1310
01:08:53,213 --> 01:08:57,549
and they wasn't that kind to me
when I was asking for direction.
1311
01:09:00,470 --> 01:09:02,304
I wanted to be there to witness it,
1312
01:09:03,348 --> 01:09:05,682
and I guess I thought that
my being there
1313
01:09:05,892 --> 01:09:07,267
was gonna change something.
1314
01:09:07,727 --> 01:09:09,103
Title of accordant cause:
1315
01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:12,439
we the jury,
in the above-entitled action,
1316
01:09:12,816 --> 01:09:13,899
find the defendant,
1317
01:09:14,109 --> 01:09:16,235
Laurence M. Powell not guilty of--
1318
01:09:16,444 --> 01:09:18,237
[ Gasps, shocked reactions ]
1319
01:09:18,446 --> 01:09:19,530
[ Bleeped cursing ]
1320
01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:22,074
Man, you got to be kiddin'.
1321
01:09:22,408 --> 01:09:24,785
We the jury,
in the above-entitled action,
1322
01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:27,371
find the defendant
Theodore J. Briseno
1323
01:09:27,580 --> 01:09:29,706
not guilty of the crime of assault
1324
01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:32,876
by force likely to produce
great bodily injury
1325
01:09:33,128 --> 01:09:34,294
with a deadly weapon.
1326
01:09:34,921 --> 01:09:39,049
This 29th day of April, 1992,
signed by the court.
1327
01:09:39,467 --> 01:09:40,968
Title of accordant cause:
1328
01:09:41,594 --> 01:09:44,012
we the jury,
in the above-entitled action,
1329
01:09:44,514 --> 01:09:46,557
find the defendant,
Timothy E. Wind,
1330
01:09:46,766 --> 01:09:49,518
not guilty of the crime
of assault by force
1331
01:09:49,727 --> 01:09:53,272
likely to produce great bodily injury
with a deadly weapon.
1332
01:09:53,898 --> 01:09:56,066
I was sitting in the bureau
the day of the verdict,
1333
01:09:56,401 --> 01:09:58,527
with all of my white colleagues
and friends.
1334
01:09:59,154 --> 01:09:59,987
We the jury--
1335
01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:02,072
And every time they said,
"Not guilty"...
1336
01:10:02,365 --> 01:10:05,075
--the defendant, Stacey C. Koon,
not guilty--
1337
01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:09,454
...what I heard was, "Fuck niggers.
Not guilty. Fuck niggers."
1338
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,293
No justice! No peace!
No justice! No peace!
1339
01:10:14,502 --> 01:10:17,045
I was at Parker Center
when the acquittals were announced.
1340
01:10:17,755 --> 01:10:20,632
And I recall some high-fives
and some fist-pumping in the air,
1341
01:10:20,842 --> 01:10:22,426
and, I mean, there were clearly
some people who felt
1342
01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:26,263
that the public misunderstood them,
that the media misunderstood them,
1343
01:10:26,472 --> 01:10:27,681
and that the jury got it right.
1344
01:10:27,891 --> 01:10:30,142
Well, first, all your reaction
to what has happened.
1345
01:10:31,311 --> 01:10:33,061
Very happy.
[ Chuckles ]
1346
01:10:33,271 --> 01:10:34,688
[ Angry shouting ]
1347
01:10:38,651 --> 01:10:42,654
I'm glad the LAPD are out there
protecting me--
1348
01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:47,034
I wanted to believe
that the system would work
1349
01:10:47,285 --> 01:10:48,660
for black people in general,
1350
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:50,787
even though I knew often it doesn't,
1351
01:10:51,122 --> 01:10:53,540
but this time, it should work.
And it didn't.
1352
01:10:54,167 --> 01:10:55,167
And all I felt like,
1353
01:10:55,376 --> 01:10:57,085
I just wanted
to smack somebody white.
1354
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,047
You're guilty!
1355
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,174
Your skin color determines
what degree of justice
1356
01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:03,217
you have these days.
1357
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:08,513
I don't think the community's
gonna take this lying down.
1358
01:11:09,557 --> 01:11:11,892
I don't think this is gonna be good.
1359
01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,519
No justice in America,
not for the blacks!
1360
01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:18,315
The justice is for the other man,
not for the brother man!
1361
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,404
Pastor, your reaction
after that first verdict was read?
1362
01:11:24,656 --> 01:11:29,409
Our reaction was almost universal,
utter pain.
1363
01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:32,454
Justice! Justice!
1364
01:11:32,956 --> 01:11:36,583
Rodney King did not have
a choirboy's record,
1365
01:11:37,126 --> 01:11:39,503
but Rodney King
had the flesh and blood
1366
01:11:39,754 --> 01:11:42,422
of decency and humanity
in his heart.
1367
01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:46,927
What they were beating
is every Black person in America.
1368
01:11:47,804 --> 01:11:49,263
Don't lay down for this shit!
1369
01:11:49,472 --> 01:11:52,808
We had an understanding
that the night of the verdict
1370
01:11:53,351 --> 01:11:55,894
we would assemble
at First AME Church.
1371
01:11:57,230 --> 01:11:59,856
We'd been meeting with the mayor
to get ready.
1372
01:12:00,066 --> 01:12:00,857
I said Beverly Hills,
1373
01:12:01,067 --> 01:12:02,651
'cause this is some fucked-up shit
that happened, man.
1374
01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:03,735
-This is history...
-We're going to Westwood...
1375
01:12:03,945 --> 01:12:06,697
Brentwood, Whitewood. All that.
1376
01:12:06,906 --> 01:12:10,701
We were gonna send out groups
of young men
1377
01:12:10,952 --> 01:12:15,247
to walk the streets
and keep everything in order.
1378
01:12:15,456 --> 01:12:17,249
[ Police sirens ]
1379
01:12:21,462 --> 01:12:25,632
I had spent weeks talking
to Black clergy, gang members,
1380
01:12:25,842 --> 01:12:30,387
and they were very upfront about
what they believed would happen.
1381
01:12:31,639 --> 01:12:33,056
"Yeah, there's gonna be violence."
1382
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,312
So we had everything prepared.
We had the copter fully fueled.
1383
01:12:39,105 --> 01:12:40,147
It seems like the only people
1384
01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:41,940
that didn't know
that there would be a riot
1385
01:12:42,191 --> 01:12:43,942
was the news media
and the LAPD.
1386
01:12:45,653 --> 01:12:49,823
You're looking at a live picture here
at Normandie and Florence.
1387
01:12:50,033 --> 01:12:52,451
There has been a mini-riot
at this location.
1388
01:12:52,744 --> 01:12:54,786
There's now been a tactical alert.
1389
01:12:54,996 --> 01:12:59,791
Officers have been ordered
to stay out of this general area.
1390
01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:02,461
We're gonna try to get you
more information on that.
1391
01:13:04,464 --> 01:13:05,797
Even before the verdict,
1392
01:13:06,007 --> 01:13:08,550
Los Angeles police chief
Daryl Gates was criticized
1393
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,510
for preparing for unrest
in the event
1394
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,220
four of his officers
were acquitted.
1395
01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:13,972
But when the rioting began,
1396
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:16,683
where were the police
and firefighters?
1397
01:13:16,893 --> 01:13:18,685
[ Angry shouting ]
1398
01:13:23,316 --> 01:13:26,026
My most striking memory is of
members of the police commission
1399
01:13:26,235 --> 01:13:27,527
desperately trying to find Gates.
1400
01:13:27,779 --> 01:13:29,946
Which is just shocking, if you
think about it in retrospect,
1401
01:13:30,156 --> 01:13:31,073
that the verdicts
in the Rodney King case
1402
01:13:31,282 --> 01:13:32,866
were coming down and the chief
was not at Parker Center.
1403
01:13:33,117 --> 01:13:35,786
Gates had driven to this house
in ritzy Brentwood
1404
01:13:35,995 --> 01:13:38,789
to campaign against
a police reform initiative.
1405
01:13:39,582 --> 01:13:42,542
Fighting police reform,
that's what he was doing.
1406
01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:46,380
He abandoned his post
1407
01:13:46,964 --> 01:13:50,717
and left his troops
in a shameful state.
1408
01:13:51,094 --> 01:13:52,469
[ Angry shouting ]
1409
01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:57,349
The LAPD response was tepid.
1410
01:14:00,478 --> 01:14:02,938
All of the media
gets on the police department,
1411
01:14:03,481 --> 01:14:04,398
the people are screaming,
1412
01:14:04,607 --> 01:14:06,233
"We have an occupying force."
1413
01:14:06,567 --> 01:14:08,610
Well, gee, we don't wanna
look like an occupying force,
1414
01:14:08,820 --> 01:14:10,445
so maybe we'll just sit here
until it blows over.
1415
01:14:10,655 --> 01:14:12,114
That type of crap goes on.
1416
01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:15,033
And we were furious.
1417
01:14:22,542 --> 01:14:24,751
-Fuck the police!
-Fuck 'em! Fuck 'em!
1418
01:14:28,589 --> 01:14:30,674
Chaos at this particular location.
1419
01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:35,762
To see the very start of the violence
was very troubling.
1420
01:14:36,639 --> 01:14:39,599
What made it really troubling
was there was no police presence.
1421
01:14:39,934 --> 01:14:41,685
There's a van coming under attack.
1422
01:14:42,228 --> 01:14:43,895
They're pulling the driver
out of the van,
1423
01:14:44,105 --> 01:14:46,314
and they're kicking the driver
and beating the driver.
1424
01:14:46,566 --> 01:14:48,483
We captured
what essentially became
1425
01:14:48,693 --> 01:14:51,695
the bookend
to the Rodney King beating.
1426
01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:54,114
There's another driver, badly beaten.
1427
01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:55,991
In the case of Reginald Denny,
1428
01:14:56,242 --> 01:14:59,202
we had black gang members
beating a white man.
1429
01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:01,788
Oh, look at that. Terrible.
1430
01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:04,374
And there's no police
presence down here.
1431
01:15:04,584 --> 01:15:05,709
They will not enter the area.
1432
01:15:07,462 --> 01:15:10,088
That was the most disgusting thing
I've seen in my entire career.
1433
01:15:10,715 --> 01:15:13,425
Two blocks away we had
a platoon of metro division.
1434
01:15:13,634 --> 01:15:15,385
We could have cleared
that intersection in a minute.
1435
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:16,970
But the commander there
1436
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:19,514
didn't wanna release 'em
to do it, because of imagery.
1437
01:15:19,724 --> 01:15:20,849
We're on live television.
1438
01:15:21,225 --> 01:15:23,226
We're seeing a dark day
here in Los Angeles.
1439
01:15:23,728 --> 01:15:25,645
The LAPD is nowhere to be found.
1440
01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:27,522
So we're sitting there
in our uniforms
1441
01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:30,150
watching this poor truck driver
get his head beat in.
1442
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:31,735
Nobody's doing a damn thing
about it.
1443
01:15:31,986 --> 01:15:32,986
We're screamin'.
1444
01:15:33,821 --> 01:15:35,322
Nobody would even move on it.
1445
01:15:43,623 --> 01:15:44,706
How are you this evening?
1446
01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:47,083
-Angry.
-Angry?
1447
01:15:49,128 --> 01:15:51,630
The jury is trying to tell us
we didn't see what we saw.
1448
01:15:51,881 --> 01:15:53,548
[ Cheers, applause ]
1449
01:15:53,758 --> 01:15:57,219
We've been the victims
of police brutality in this town
1450
01:15:57,428 --> 01:15:58,595
for too long!
1451
01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:00,639
[ Cheers, applause ]
1452
01:16:04,018 --> 01:16:05,352
We didn't come here tonight
to mourn.
1453
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,687
We came here tonight
to say who we are.
1454
01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:08,688
[ Cheers, applause ]
1455
01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:11,024
And we ain't gonna take this
business lying down.
1456
01:16:11,317 --> 01:16:12,359
[ Cheers, applause ]
1457
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:13,985
And we ain't gonna tear up
our community
1458
01:16:14,195 --> 01:16:15,195
to be proving their point.
1459
01:16:15,488 --> 01:16:17,072
[ Cheers, applause ]
1460
01:16:17,573 --> 01:16:20,825
Mark Brown, Channel Seven
waved at the monitor and said,
1461
01:16:21,035 --> 01:16:24,829
"The city's on fire.
It's on fire."
1462
01:16:25,706 --> 01:16:27,874
And I looked at him and said,
"My God."
1463
01:16:28,125 --> 01:16:30,252
I had no idea it was
right across the street.
1464
01:16:30,461 --> 01:16:31,378
Literally.
1465
01:16:31,921 --> 01:16:34,256
The gas station was on fire.
1466
01:16:41,472 --> 01:16:44,849
What I didn't anticipate
personally and professionally
1467
01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:48,436
was the response of the community.
1468
01:16:51,649 --> 01:16:54,651
I went on the streets,
and Western Avenue was in flames.
1469
01:16:56,737 --> 01:17:00,740
And this crowd is gathering,
and the police have now come,
1470
01:17:01,867 --> 01:17:04,744
and there's one guy,
and he's screaming his head off,
1471
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:06,621
"Burn, baby, burn!
1472
01:17:06,831 --> 01:17:09,708
How you like me now,
Mr. Policeman?"
1473
01:17:13,546 --> 01:17:15,797
And I felt his pain.
1474
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:21,970
I just didn't get it.
1475
01:17:22,263 --> 01:17:25,098
I just didn't understand
burning down your own community.
1476
01:17:27,059 --> 01:17:28,351
I didn't get what it proved.
1477
01:17:33,816 --> 01:17:36,318
Here are people who feel
like they have no stake,
1478
01:17:36,986 --> 01:17:38,737
nobody's paying
any attention to them.
1479
01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:42,324
This is the only way
we can get any attention.
1480
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:44,075
[ Angry chanting ]
1481
01:17:48,623 --> 01:17:51,499
As it got darker,
a crowd began to gather out
1482
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:52,709
in front of the police department.
1483
01:17:55,129 --> 01:17:56,838
It got increasingly unruly.
1484
01:17:57,715 --> 01:17:59,299
Someone grabbed me
and tore my shirt
1485
01:17:59,508 --> 01:18:00,675
and said something about,
you know,
1486
01:18:00,885 --> 01:18:02,844
"You fucking newsmen.
Why do you tell lies?"
1487
01:18:07,725 --> 01:18:11,770
It is the most physically-frightening
situation that I've ever been part of.
1488
01:18:12,188 --> 01:18:13,688
[ Angry shouting ]
1489
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:21,196
[ Helicopter blades ]
1490
01:18:22,406 --> 01:18:23,907
Guy pulls up, and he goes,
1491
01:18:24,116 --> 01:18:26,743
"Mike, whatever you do,
don't go to the command post.
1492
01:18:27,161 --> 01:18:28,745
Go to the police station
down the street.
1493
01:18:29,038 --> 01:18:31,081
Because it's very violent out there."
1494
01:18:31,957 --> 01:18:34,209
I looked at him, and I thought,
"What a coward he is,"
1495
01:18:35,294 --> 01:18:40,757
get in the car, make the first turn,
and the car gets lit up by gunfire.
1496
01:18:41,258 --> 01:18:43,843
So I go, "Okay. Now I know
what he's talking about."
1497
01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:45,929
So I took my .45 out,
I put it on my lap,
1498
01:18:46,597 --> 01:18:48,890
I took a big gulp of Copenhagen,
1499
01:18:49,308 --> 01:18:51,810
stuck it down my mouth,
turned off the lights
1500
01:18:52,019 --> 01:18:54,354
and drove as fast as I could
to the command post.
1501
01:18:57,858 --> 01:19:02,737
Hindsight, the overall management
could've been done much better,
1502
01:19:09,954 --> 01:19:15,166
but once it got away from us,
we were cooked.
1503
01:19:20,589 --> 01:19:22,590
[ Helicopter blades ]
1504
01:19:46,657 --> 01:19:47,991
911 Emergency.
1505
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,909
Yeah, can you send someone
to my house?
1506
01:19:50,536 --> 01:19:51,578
What's the problem there?
1507
01:19:51,871 --> 01:19:53,705
Well, my ex-husband,
or my husband,
1508
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:55,290
just broke into my house,
1509
01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:56,791
and he's ranting and raving.
1510
01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:58,626
Now he's just walked out
on the front yard.
1511
01:19:59,253 --> 01:20:00,837
Has he been drinking
or anything?
1512
01:20:01,088 --> 01:20:02,589
No, but he's crazy.
1513
01:20:02,798 --> 01:20:03,923
Is he black, white, or Hispanic?
1514
01:20:04,508 --> 01:20:05,300
Black.
1515
01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:06,801
What's he wearing right now?
1516
01:20:07,386 --> 01:20:09,304
Black pants and a golf shirt.
1517
01:20:09,889 --> 01:20:11,055
You said he hasn't
been drinking?
1518
01:20:11,265 --> 01:20:12,015
-No.
-Did he hit you?
1519
01:20:12,767 --> 01:20:13,475
No.
1520
01:20:13,684 --> 01:20:14,934
Do you have a restraining order
against him?
1521
01:20:15,144 --> 01:20:15,894
No.
1522
01:20:16,187 --> 01:20:17,061
What's your name?
1523
01:20:17,563 --> 01:20:18,521
Nicole Simpson.
1524
01:20:18,731 --> 01:20:19,481
Your address?
1525
01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:22,275
325 Gretna Green Way.
1526
01:20:22,735 --> 01:20:23,902
Okay, we'll send police out.
1527
01:20:24,403 --> 01:20:25,361
-Thank you.
-Uh-huh.
1528
01:20:28,449 --> 01:20:31,868
When Nicole first decided
to leave O.J.,
1529
01:20:32,745 --> 01:20:33,870
she came to me.
1530
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,207
She said, "I wanna move out"
and at that time,
1531
01:20:37,416 --> 01:20:38,792
I was doing real estate.
1532
01:20:39,543 --> 01:20:41,544
And then we had to sell
O.J. on the idea.
1533
01:20:42,797 --> 01:20:45,048
He was obsessed
with controlling Nicole.
1534
01:20:45,508 --> 01:20:47,801
I said, "Look, O.J.,
we'll get her a lease."
1535
01:20:48,010 --> 01:20:49,594
He goes, "Three months."
1536
01:20:49,804 --> 01:20:54,265
I said, "We'll get her a year lease.
You know? It'll be right nearby.
1537
01:20:55,684 --> 01:20:58,853
You can go to therapy and see
if you can work things out.
1538
01:20:59,063 --> 01:21:00,730
But she needs her space."
1539
01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:03,316
He really didn't wanna do it.
1540
01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:18,706
I think for the first time she felt free.
1541
01:21:19,959 --> 01:21:22,877
It was like she just came
into that sense of self,
1542
01:21:23,087 --> 01:21:26,297
that she was really ready to do
life for her and her kids.
1543
01:21:29,134 --> 01:21:31,094
She responded great
to being divorced.
1544
01:21:32,263 --> 01:21:34,764
She was really enjoying her life,
1545
01:21:34,974 --> 01:21:37,976
going out
and not being Mrs. Simpson,
1546
01:21:38,769 --> 01:21:39,978
being Nicole Brown.
1547
01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:43,106
She wanted to pursue her
photography career,
1548
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:46,943
and she wanted to have
a normal life again.
1549
01:21:52,074 --> 01:21:53,157
It was a beautiful day,
1550
01:21:53,367 --> 01:21:55,243
and we skied down to the bottom
of the mountain.
1551
01:21:55,828 --> 01:21:58,663
And everybody's gathering
on the deck, having a great time.
1552
01:21:59,081 --> 01:22:01,291
I looked across the deck,
and I said, "Wow."
1553
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:03,334
I said that, "That is absolutely
the most stunning woman
1554
01:22:03,544 --> 01:22:04,294
I've ever seen in my life.
1555
01:22:04,503 --> 01:22:06,462
I have to find a way
to introduce myself to her."
1556
01:22:06,672 --> 01:22:07,463
So I did.
1557
01:22:08,924 --> 01:22:10,550
When I got back to LA
several months later,
1558
01:22:10,843 --> 01:22:12,093
we spent more time together.
1559
01:22:12,595 --> 01:22:14,512
Her and friends came by
Mezzaluna one night,
1560
01:22:15,139 --> 01:22:17,724
and we're having a good time,
and, all of a sudden,
1561
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:19,684
I see the Bentley
come screeching up
1562
01:22:19,894 --> 01:22:20,894
to the front of the door.
1563
01:22:21,896 --> 01:22:23,813
He comes in, walks straight over
to our table,
1564
01:22:24,106 --> 01:22:25,315
slams his hands down,
1565
01:22:25,524 --> 01:22:27,150
looks me straight in the eye
and says,
1566
01:22:27,484 --> 01:22:29,569
"I'm O.J. Simpson,
and she's still my wife."
1567
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:32,572
I was sort of love-blind,
1568
01:22:32,781 --> 01:22:35,158
so I didn't get up, I didn't run,
I didn't back down,
1569
01:22:35,367 --> 01:22:36,951
I just stood my ground
from day one.
1570
01:22:37,786 --> 01:22:40,204
And that's when she started
to open up to me.
1571
01:22:42,625 --> 01:22:46,127
She told me about years of abuse
at his hands.
1572
01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:05,396
He would beat her and lock her
in closets at hotels
1573
01:23:05,856 --> 01:23:07,523
because she asked
where he was at
1574
01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:09,400
when he was out
cheating on her.
1575
01:23:16,492 --> 01:23:19,786
She was told how to look,
told how to wear her hair,
1576
01:23:19,995 --> 01:23:20,870
told how to dress,
1577
01:23:21,038 --> 01:23:22,497
told where to be,
what time to be,
1578
01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:25,416
how to be, everything
for O.J. Simpson.
1579
01:23:26,585 --> 01:23:29,921
Kind of a reverse slavery thing.
Uh, very, very odd.
1580
01:23:30,255 --> 01:23:32,632
You know, "That's, uh,
that's my property,"
1581
01:23:32,841 --> 01:23:34,676
and he always said,
"That's my booty."
1582
01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:37,887
The two sides of O.J.,
1583
01:23:38,097 --> 01:23:39,847
the O.J. that everybody
sees on TV--
1584
01:23:40,057 --> 01:23:41,975
And when the Cowboys
brought in their big back,
1585
01:23:42,184 --> 01:23:45,019
that they didn't make good tackles
on them, so the coach
1586
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:47,063
was on their cases
to make better tackles,
1587
01:23:47,272 --> 01:23:48,523
as my family throws
snowballs at me.
1588
01:23:48,732 --> 01:23:49,565
Incidentally, uh--
1589
01:23:49,775 --> 01:23:52,485
That's not the O.J. that there was
behind closed doors,
1590
01:23:52,695 --> 01:23:54,570
certainly not with her,
and she told me that.
1591
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,408
"Don't ever be
left alone with him,
1592
01:23:58,784 --> 01:24:00,243
'cause you don't know
what he's capable of."
1593
01:24:02,705 --> 01:24:07,000
He had her followed, and he would
plant people in our group
1594
01:24:07,251 --> 01:24:10,336
that would call him and tell him
where we're going every night.
1595
01:24:11,547 --> 01:24:12,630
He would either show up
1596
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,967
or have a spy planted there
at the club
1597
01:24:16,176 --> 01:24:17,677
so they could watch
her every move.
1598
01:24:18,554 --> 01:24:22,557
He never relinquished control.
He never would really let go.
1599
01:24:24,351 --> 01:24:26,894
He would tell me that Nicole
tried to get him back,
1600
01:24:27,646 --> 01:24:30,898
that she was actually taking
golf lessons at Riviera.
1601
01:24:31,316 --> 01:24:34,110
And he had a girlfriend,
you know, Paula.
1602
01:24:34,653 --> 01:24:36,904
And he seemed enthralled with her.
1603
01:24:39,616 --> 01:24:42,744
O.J.'s personality
had totally changed,
1604
01:24:42,953 --> 01:24:44,579
and I didn't think
it was just the divorce.
1605
01:24:45,539 --> 01:24:47,582
Because his womanizing
didn't change.
1606
01:24:48,375 --> 01:24:52,045
He was truly the most jealous person
I ever met in my life.
1607
01:24:52,921 --> 01:24:55,590
He was as jealous as he was
a good football player.
1608
01:24:58,385 --> 01:24:59,510
I saw the anger,
1609
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,805
I saw the rage in his face
on several occasions.
1610
01:25:03,098 --> 01:25:05,141
At me, in particular, and at her.
1611
01:25:08,771 --> 01:25:12,148
There was an incident
where we went over to Roxbury,
1612
01:25:12,649 --> 01:25:14,067
a hot club at the time in LA,
1613
01:25:14,276 --> 01:25:16,486
and we get in,
and she's dancing.
1614
01:25:17,529 --> 01:25:21,199
Maybe 20, 30 minutes go by, and I
see her coming back towards me.
1615
01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:27,580
She goes, "O.J.'s here."
And I go, "Ha. Great. Again."
1616
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:29,791
You know, she goes,
"Let's just get out of here."
1617
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,084
And I say, "I couldn't agree more."
1618
01:25:32,419 --> 01:25:34,670
So we drive back to her house
on Gretna Green.
1619
01:25:37,216 --> 01:25:40,426
We go inside,
and, uh, we became romantic.
1620
01:25:42,179 --> 01:25:45,139
We were off in a private area
in one of the living rooms,
1621
01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:51,479
and the next day he came over
and pushed in the back door,
1622
01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:53,022
confronted both of us,
1623
01:25:53,232 --> 01:25:54,816
and he wanted to talk to her alone.
1624
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,151
She was trembling,
standing next to me,
1625
01:25:57,361 --> 01:25:58,653
holding my hand, shaking.
1626
01:25:58,987 --> 01:26:00,571
And she said,
1627
01:26:00,781 --> 01:26:03,116
"Keith, I think you need to leave me
alone with him for a couple minutes."
1628
01:26:04,827 --> 01:26:06,244
I could hear him screaming at her,
1629
01:26:06,453 --> 01:26:08,329
I could hear him
using disparaging terms
1630
01:26:08,539 --> 01:26:09,789
about her and me.
1631
01:26:10,666 --> 01:26:13,751
They walked out,
and he was O.J. again.
1632
01:26:14,545 --> 01:26:15,837
Shook my hand.
1633
01:26:16,463 --> 01:26:18,047
"Sorry, dude. No hard feelings."
1634
01:26:18,257 --> 01:26:21,050
You know, "I'm a very proud man."
1635
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:22,969
And he walked out the house.
1636
01:26:23,887 --> 01:26:28,641
And she turned to me, and she was
white as a ghost, and she said,
1637
01:26:28,851 --> 01:26:31,227
"Oh, my God, Keith.
He watched us."
1638
01:26:34,898 --> 01:26:37,358
And everything changed
from that point on.
1639
01:26:38,944 --> 01:26:41,154
We realized
we weren't safe anymore.
1640
01:26:41,905 --> 01:26:45,241
We realized that nothing
was off limits.
1641
01:26:48,287 --> 01:26:53,082
I think she knew O.J. was always
a presence. She hated it.
1642
01:26:53,959 --> 01:26:57,628
She couldn't even explore
being single again and--
1643
01:26:57,838 --> 01:26:59,213
and free and having fun,
1644
01:26:59,548 --> 01:27:03,634
because everybody was still being
manipulated by O.J.
1645
01:27:07,598 --> 01:27:09,432
When he found out that she
had been with Marcus,
1646
01:27:09,641 --> 01:27:12,268
that's-- that was a real issue.
1647
01:27:12,644 --> 01:27:14,187
It's a time you look the competition
1648
01:27:14,396 --> 01:27:15,354
right in the face and say,
1649
01:27:15,564 --> 01:27:17,273
-"Look, I'm better than you."
-No, I'm better than you.
1650
01:27:17,649 --> 01:27:18,983
You may be younger,
but you ain't better.
1651
01:27:19,193 --> 01:27:19,859
Yo, who started?
1652
01:27:20,068 --> 01:27:21,235
And don't be taking
my number either.
1653
01:27:21,445 --> 01:27:22,445
Besides, I'm better lookin'.
1654
01:27:22,654 --> 01:27:24,155
I'm tired of you trying to be like me.
1655
01:27:24,364 --> 01:27:27,491
I remember going with O.J.
to watch Marcus play at USC.
1656
01:27:31,413 --> 01:27:33,873
He was kinda like a mentor
to Marcus.
1657
01:27:36,793 --> 01:27:39,503
They were extremely close.
Extremely.
1658
01:27:39,755 --> 01:27:41,714
You know, Marcus got married
at O.J.'s house.
1659
01:27:43,634 --> 01:27:46,135
I think she always festered
a crush for Marcus.
1660
01:27:47,137 --> 01:27:49,472
And he was the only person
in her life
1661
01:27:49,681 --> 01:27:52,850
that was as famous
and as strong as O.J.
1662
01:27:54,353 --> 01:27:57,605
And so I think she felt in a way
that she was safe with him.
1663
01:28:02,778 --> 01:28:04,904
O.J. said, "Marcus, we're 'SC guys.
1664
01:28:05,822 --> 01:28:08,199
We don't do that to each other.
What the hell's wrong with you?"
1665
01:28:10,869 --> 01:28:13,162
He was a younger version of O.J.
1666
01:28:13,372 --> 01:28:16,749
He was almost like the newer,
bigger, better version.
1667
01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:20,294
I had no-- no idea whatsoever,
1668
01:28:20,837 --> 01:28:23,881
uh, that they were carrying on
some kind of affair.
1669
01:28:24,883 --> 01:28:26,092
I was a bit stunned.
1670
01:28:27,386 --> 01:28:30,638
Did you ever have a romantic
relationship with Nicole?
1671
01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:32,932
No, I did not.
1672
01:28:33,267 --> 01:28:36,269
No kind of sexual
or romantic involvement
1673
01:28:36,478 --> 01:28:37,436
did you ever have with her?
1674
01:28:37,646 --> 01:28:38,813
None whatsoever.
1675
01:28:39,982 --> 01:28:42,775
I really do not wanna talk
about that at all.
1676
01:28:44,152 --> 01:28:46,195
Sometimes I'll try to sing,
but I'm not gonna do it.
1677
01:28:46,405 --> 01:28:47,697
Tonight I got this tequila in me.
1678
01:28:48,407 --> 01:28:50,283
The girl I came here with
said to me,
1679
01:28:50,867 --> 01:28:52,326
"Is this a blues place?"
1680
01:28:52,536 --> 01:28:54,161
I said, "Oh, no, no, no.
This is rhythm and blues."
1681
01:28:54,371 --> 01:28:55,121
[ Laughs ]
1682
01:28:55,831 --> 01:28:57,415
Speaking of that lady
I was talking about--
1683
01:28:57,624 --> 01:28:58,332
There she is.
1684
01:28:58,542 --> 01:28:59,792
With another shot of this tequila.
1685
01:29:00,002 --> 01:29:01,168
Now, watch her--
Yeah, that's right.
1686
01:29:01,378 --> 01:29:02,169
Now, watch her sing.
1687
01:29:02,379 --> 01:29:03,796
I don't know if--
Oh, my God.
1688
01:29:04,006 --> 01:29:04,755
[ Laughs ]
1689
01:29:05,257 --> 01:29:06,132
That's right.
1690
01:29:06,883 --> 01:29:08,843
We're live right now
all across America,
1691
01:29:09,052 --> 01:29:10,219
and she is my woman.
1692
01:29:10,429 --> 01:29:11,554
[ Laughs ]
1693
01:29:11,763 --> 01:29:12,763
I'm taking her tequila.
1694
01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:14,557
That's why I'm not singing tonight.
1695
01:29:16,018 --> 01:29:18,060
When they initially
got back together,
1696
01:29:18,395 --> 01:29:20,021
I was the first person
she told about it.
1697
01:29:21,023 --> 01:29:23,566
He had told her, "I'm changed.
I'm a new man.
1698
01:29:24,026 --> 01:29:25,484
Let me prove this to ya."
1699
01:29:26,611 --> 01:29:30,448
She said, "We're gonna date first,
and I'm not giving up my house,
1700
01:29:30,866 --> 01:29:32,408
and we're gonna see how it goes."
1701
01:29:32,993 --> 01:29:35,494
That was how they tried to reconcile.
1702
01:29:36,038 --> 01:29:39,832
She said all she really ever wanted
was her family.
1703
01:29:42,836 --> 01:29:47,465
It's almost like she risked everything
to have that unit back together.
1704
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:55,598
911 Emergency.
What is the--?
1705
01:29:55,807 --> 01:29:59,310
Can you get someone
over here now, to 325 Gretna Green?
1706
01:29:59,519 --> 01:30:01,020
He's back. Please.
1707
01:30:01,271 --> 01:30:02,063
Okay. What does he look like?
1708
01:30:02,272 --> 01:30:04,690
He's O.J. Simpson.
I think you know his record.
1709
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:06,525
Could you just send
somebody over here?
1710
01:30:06,735 --> 01:30:07,818
Okay. What is he doing there?
1711
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:09,362
He's just-- All this again.
1712
01:30:09,571 --> 01:30:11,197
Could you just send
somebody over?
1713
01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:12,448
Wait a minute.
What kind of car is he...?
1714
01:30:12,657 --> 01:30:13,908
We were filming another
Naked Gun movie,
1715
01:30:14,284 --> 01:30:17,078
and it was the first time
I can remember him being
1716
01:30:17,329 --> 01:30:19,538
just in one of the foulest moods ever.
1717
01:30:20,749 --> 01:30:22,541
And he said, "It's just Nicole bullshit."
1718
01:30:22,751 --> 01:30:24,460
First of all, he broke
the back door down
1719
01:30:24,669 --> 01:30:25,503
to get in before...
1720
01:30:25,712 --> 01:30:26,712
Okay. Wait a minute.
What's your name?
1721
01:30:26,922 --> 01:30:27,963
Nicole Simpson.
1722
01:30:28,173 --> 01:30:30,633
Okay. Is he the sportscaster
or whatever?
1723
01:30:30,884 --> 01:30:31,967
-Yeah.
-Okay.
1724
01:30:32,177 --> 01:30:33,052
Thank you.
1725
01:30:33,261 --> 01:30:34,470
My ex-girlfriend approached him
on the movie set
1726
01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:36,263
and said some
very disparaging things
1727
01:30:36,473 --> 01:30:37,807
about Nicole and myself,
1728
01:30:38,475 --> 01:30:41,268
so I knew that O.J. was gonna
take it out on Nicole.
1729
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:42,520
Wait a minute,
we're sending police.
1730
01:30:42,729 --> 01:30:43,854
What is he doing?
Is he threatening you?
1731
01:30:44,523 --> 01:30:46,232
I-- He's fucking going nuts.
1732
01:30:47,109 --> 01:30:49,735
You're gonna hear him in a minute.
He's about to come in again.
1733
01:30:49,986 --> 01:30:50,945
Okay, just stay on the line--
1734
01:30:51,154 --> 01:30:51,987
I don't wanna stay on the line.
1735
01:30:52,197 --> 01:30:53,239
He's gonna beat the shit
out of me.
1736
01:30:53,448 --> 01:30:54,615
Wait a minute, would you?
Just stay on the line,
1737
01:30:54,825 --> 01:30:57,118
so we can know what's going on
'til the police get there, okay?
1738
01:30:57,494 --> 01:30:58,285
[ Nicole sighs ]
1739
01:30:58,787 --> 01:31:01,622
It wasn't until years later
that I actually sat down,
1740
01:31:01,832 --> 01:31:03,624
and I had even listened
to the 911 call.
1741
01:31:04,209 --> 01:31:07,336
I knew different voices for Nicole,
and she wasn't mad,
1742
01:31:08,004 --> 01:31:08,796
she definitely wasn't drunk.
1743
01:31:09,714 --> 01:31:10,714
She's terrified.
1744
01:31:10,924 --> 01:31:14,301
And that was heartbreaking.
That was heartbreaking.
1745
01:31:14,553 --> 01:31:15,386
-Okay, Nicole.
-Uh-huh?
1746
01:31:16,513 --> 01:31:17,930
Just a moment.
Does he have any weapons?
1747
01:31:18,306 --> 01:31:19,098
I don't know.
1748
01:31:19,599 --> 01:31:20,433
Okay.
1749
01:31:20,642 --> 01:31:21,851
He went home,
and now he's back.
1750
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:25,396
The kids are up there sleeping,
and I don't want anything to happen.
1751
01:31:25,605 --> 01:31:26,689
Okay, just a moment.
1752
01:31:28,108 --> 01:31:30,025
When you hear O.J.'s voice,
what do you hear?
1753
01:31:32,028 --> 01:31:32,820
Rage.
1754
01:31:42,122 --> 01:31:43,456
Is he inside right now?
1755
01:31:43,665 --> 01:31:45,166
-Yes. Yes.
-Okay, just a moment.
1756
01:31:51,006 --> 01:31:55,092
All units, a domestic violence
at 325 Gretna Green Way--
1757
01:31:55,343 --> 01:31:57,428
[ Indistinct shouting ]
1758
01:31:58,180 --> 01:32:00,014
O.J., the kids are sleeping.
1759
01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:12,026
Is he upset with something
that you did?
1760
01:32:13,111 --> 01:32:16,447
Oh, a long time ago.
It always comes back.
1761
01:32:18,783 --> 01:32:20,493
Has this happened before or no?
1762
01:32:20,702 --> 01:32:21,494
Many times.
1763
01:32:21,703 --> 01:32:22,453
Okay.
1764
01:32:26,541 --> 01:32:27,458
The police should be on the way.
1765
01:32:27,667 --> 01:32:28,626
It just seems like a long time
1766
01:32:28,835 --> 01:32:31,754
because it's kind of busy
in that division right now.
1767
01:32:37,802 --> 01:32:41,972
When she left him for good,
she called me, and she's like,
1768
01:32:42,182 --> 01:32:44,433
"Yep, this is it, Robin."
1769
01:32:45,185 --> 01:32:48,771
She said,
"This is it. I'm done. I'm done."
1770
01:32:48,980 --> 01:32:51,148
She goes, "I don't even-- I have no
feeling for him whatsoever anymore.
1771
01:32:51,358 --> 01:32:52,107
It's just over."
1772
01:32:53,276 --> 01:32:55,986
She was free,
and she was happy without him,
1773
01:32:56,696 --> 01:33:00,533
and I think he knew
it was really over.
1774
01:33:03,912 --> 01:33:06,497
The day she changed,
it was like a light switch.
1775
01:33:07,082 --> 01:33:10,751
He spiraled, from that day on.
Everything was different.
1776
01:33:11,461 --> 01:33:13,879
Who he was, that persona,
everything was gone.
1777
01:33:15,006 --> 01:33:20,678
She wasn't chasing him anymore
and it-- it spun him out.
1778
01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:25,391
We all believed that right toward
the very end when, uh,
1779
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,351
they had split up,
after Mother's Day,
1780
01:33:27,561 --> 01:33:29,270
that Nicole was not
seeing Marcus again.
1781
01:33:29,604 --> 01:33:31,272
I absolutely believed that she was.
1782
01:33:32,107 --> 01:33:33,857
And O.J. told Nicole,
1783
01:33:34,067 --> 01:33:36,110
"You ever see Marcus again,
I will kill you."
1784
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:43,450
This was obviously "I'm--
I'm gonna get back at you, O.J.
1785
01:33:43,702 --> 01:33:45,869
I don't care what it takes,
I'm gonna humiliate you."
1786
01:33:48,665 --> 01:33:50,124
If she did it,
1787
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:53,627
it was more for her own
personal rebellion,
1788
01:33:54,254 --> 01:33:56,589
it was more for her
saying to herself,
1789
01:33:57,340 --> 01:34:00,718
"I'm gonna date who I want,
I'm gonna go where I want,
1790
01:34:00,927 --> 01:34:04,513
I'm gonna be friends
with who I want. I'm free.
1791
01:34:05,473 --> 01:34:08,517
You have lost me, O.J.
Watch me run."
1792
01:34:11,605 --> 01:34:13,272
I think there was something
about her
1793
01:34:13,481 --> 01:34:16,692
that was almost
unattainable to him.
1794
01:34:18,653 --> 01:34:21,155
Something that he couldn't
quite control.
1795
01:34:26,786 --> 01:34:29,913
And I think that that was
part of the attraction.
1796
01:34:30,373 --> 01:34:34,960
And I think, in the final analysis,
that's what got her killed.142943
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