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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,765 --> 00:00:17,767 [ Crowd cheering ] 2 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:26,401 I'm ready to retire. 3 00:00:27,027 --> 00:00:27,944 For the last couple of years 4 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:30,238 I've gotten very busy on the off season. 5 00:00:30,614 --> 00:00:32,365 Mainly, because early in my career... 6 00:00:32,992 --> 00:00:34,617 I had those rough years in Buffalo. 7 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:36,911 I sort of told myself then 8 00:00:37,121 --> 00:00:39,163 I would, uh, put my energies in something that was gonna 9 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:41,290 sustain me and last. 10 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:43,292 I knew then that I would have trouble adjusting 11 00:00:43,502 --> 00:00:44,919 to not being a football player. 12 00:00:45,212 --> 00:00:46,045 So, I said, 13 00:00:46,255 --> 00:00:48,589 "Hey, I better start preparing myself for-- for-- 14 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:50,758 for, you know... now. [ Laughs ] 15 00:00:51,802 --> 00:00:53,553 I wanna tell you that over the years 16 00:00:53,929 --> 00:00:56,848 I've heard your applause, and I appreciated your cheers. 17 00:00:57,599 --> 00:00:59,017 And I want you to know 18 00:00:59,643 --> 00:01:03,479 that I already know it's what I'm gonna miss most. 19 00:01:04,106 --> 00:01:05,481 Thank you all, very much. 20 00:01:05,691 --> 00:01:07,275 [ Crowd cheering ] 21 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:40,391 [ Birds chirping ] 22 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:46,439 [ Bus approaching ] 23 00:01:52,321 --> 00:01:56,074 Growing up in Brentwood was really a wonderful experience. 24 00:01:56,867 --> 00:01:58,409 It's very quiet. 25 00:01:58,786 --> 00:02:00,286 It's very affluent. 26 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:01,704 Very safe. 27 00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:03,081 Very white. 28 00:02:05,918 --> 00:02:07,460 Burglaries were very rare. 29 00:02:07,669 --> 00:02:09,629 Violent crime almost nonexistent. 30 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:11,422 You could leave your door unlocked. 31 00:02:12,216 --> 00:02:14,300 Never have to worry about anything. 32 00:02:17,221 --> 00:02:21,390 I graduated the academy in 1975. 33 00:02:21,642 --> 00:02:24,936 And then transferred to West L.A. 1978-79. 34 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:28,856 West L.A., the whole division, Bel Air, Brentwood, all-- 35 00:02:29,233 --> 00:02:30,316 it's loaded with stars. 36 00:02:31,318 --> 00:02:32,443 And I'd sit back and go, 37 00:02:32,653 --> 00:02:34,654 "Man, am I really getting paid for doing this?" 38 00:02:38,242 --> 00:02:39,992 When I first got there, O.J. had just moved 39 00:02:40,202 --> 00:02:41,994 from around Mulholland over to Rockingham. 40 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:49,001 O.J. Simpson living in Brentwood was really an anomaly. 41 00:02:49,211 --> 00:02:51,712 He'd be one of maybe three black people 42 00:02:52,047 --> 00:02:53,506 in the entire community. 43 00:02:55,134 --> 00:02:57,593 Los Angeles is unlike other places. 44 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:00,513 If you're a celebrity, you have no color. 45 00:03:01,390 --> 00:03:03,474 People enjoy having you in their neighborhood. 46 00:03:03,684 --> 00:03:05,393 Especially if you're a celebrity like O.J. 47 00:03:05,602 --> 00:03:09,772 where everyone's husband worshipped him as a sports hero 48 00:03:10,274 --> 00:03:12,817 and couldn't wait to shake hands. 49 00:03:13,861 --> 00:03:15,987 Once I found out he was living on Rockingham, 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,407 I decided I'd go by there, you know, and let him know... 51 00:03:19,616 --> 00:03:22,243 "Hey, you know? O.J., I'm here." 52 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:23,244 This is where I work. 53 00:03:24,037 --> 00:03:24,745 O.J. was great. 54 00:03:24,955 --> 00:03:27,165 He'd always referred to the LAPD as "the boys." You know? 55 00:03:27,457 --> 00:03:28,249 "How's crime today?" 56 00:03:28,458 --> 00:03:30,334 "Hey, Shipp, what's going on in my area, man?" 57 00:03:30,544 --> 00:03:31,294 "Is you keeping the peace?" 58 00:03:31,503 --> 00:03:32,628 You know, stuff like that? 59 00:03:32,921 --> 00:03:34,714 And I'd be like, "Hey, man, everything's good." 60 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:44,056 70-80 percent of the people in the city of Los Angeles, 61 00:03:44,266 --> 00:03:47,393 were thinking LAPD does a great job, we don't have crime here. 62 00:03:48,312 --> 00:03:50,605 They thought out in the Valley or West Los Angeles, 63 00:03:50,814 --> 00:03:53,691 "Hey, man, they're great." They smile. They wave. 64 00:03:53,901 --> 00:03:55,568 They're always around when you need them. 65 00:03:58,447 --> 00:04:02,742 Well, that wasn't how other parts of the city were being treated. 66 00:04:06,538 --> 00:04:08,831 On January 3rd, 1979, 67 00:04:09,458 --> 00:04:12,168 two members of the Los Angeles Police Department 68 00:04:12,377 --> 00:04:15,421 shot and killed Eulia Love at her home, 69 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:20,176 in a dispute over $22.09 utility bill. 70 00:04:21,136 --> 00:04:22,428 She died on her front lawn 71 00:04:22,638 --> 00:04:24,722 before the eyes of her own children. 72 00:04:27,351 --> 00:04:30,478 There is no single event that had a more profound impact 73 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:33,773 in LAPD history up to that point and time 74 00:04:34,483 --> 00:04:36,943 than the shooting of Eulia May Love. 75 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,783 This is where Mrs. Eulia Love stood the day the shooting took place. 76 00:04:43,992 --> 00:04:46,160 There was an officer here, an officer there. 77 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:48,454 She held a knife in her hand, there was a scuffle, 78 00:04:48,664 --> 00:04:49,830 the knife was knocked out of her hand, 79 00:04:50,249 --> 00:04:51,832 she reached for it, and as she threw it, 80 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,542 the officers opened fire. 81 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:56,837 This was a big deal. 82 00:04:57,172 --> 00:05:00,466 This is a woman who's had a tough time. 83 00:05:01,802 --> 00:05:03,135 And she was desperate. 84 00:05:03,637 --> 00:05:05,930 So, there was a lot of empathy going out to her 85 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:07,014 from the community. 86 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:12,812 Once again, we have a member of the black community... 87 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:13,896 dead... 88 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:17,358 under circumstances that are highly questionable at best. 89 00:05:20,529 --> 00:05:22,238 It has been determined that the evidence 90 00:05:22,447 --> 00:05:24,699 does not warrant the filing of criminal charges. 91 00:05:25,575 --> 00:05:28,286 This was a justifiable homicide, 92 00:05:28,537 --> 00:05:31,497 uh, committed by the officers in their own self-defense. 93 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:36,002 As far as LAPD was concerned, it was just an event. 94 00:05:36,837 --> 00:05:38,421 And everybody was supposed to accept it. 95 00:05:40,465 --> 00:05:43,342 This was on the lips and minds of everybody in the community. 96 00:05:44,803 --> 00:05:47,638 The people gonna get justice, and it's gonna be in the street. 97 00:05:51,226 --> 00:05:53,311 It didn't help that you had a police chief, 98 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,687 who behaved poorly, 99 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:56,772 and, in many ways, irresponsibly. 100 00:05:57,190 --> 00:06:01,694 And I've commented on the media squeezing out the last, uh.... 101 00:06:02,446 --> 00:06:04,739 tear of emotion in this situation, 102 00:06:04,948 --> 00:06:07,158 where they talk about a $22 gas bill. 103 00:06:07,576 --> 00:06:09,660 It doesn't make any difference, but it was, uh... 104 00:06:10,412 --> 00:06:12,496 a $69 gas bill. 105 00:06:13,582 --> 00:06:14,832 Gates was Gates. 106 00:06:15,042 --> 00:06:18,169 He's going to be fully supportive of his officers. 107 00:06:19,254 --> 00:06:23,007 I guess they don't think I have any sympathy for anyone, 108 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:25,551 other than police officers, and that's simply not true. 109 00:06:25,927 --> 00:06:29,430 I have great empathy and sympathy for Eulia Love and her family. 110 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:31,640 Deeply sorry that it happened, but it did happen. 111 00:06:33,477 --> 00:06:34,310 I... 112 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,020 [ Clears throat ] was a big fan of Daryl... 113 00:06:36,355 --> 00:06:37,355 Francis Gates. 114 00:06:38,482 --> 00:06:41,275 Gates introduced the SWAT model of law enforcement, 115 00:06:41,485 --> 00:06:44,236 introduced the D.A.R.E. program to all of law enforcement. 116 00:06:45,072 --> 00:06:46,572 So he was an innovator. 117 00:06:47,032 --> 00:06:49,241 But he was also a controversial guy. 118 00:06:49,659 --> 00:06:51,827 GATES: We have officers out there doing the job. 119 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:55,122 Attempting to make good judgment based on the information they have, 120 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:56,999 protecting themselves and protecting 121 00:06:57,209 --> 00:06:58,959 the people of the city of Los Angeles, 122 00:06:59,336 --> 00:07:01,045 that we will go to hell for. 123 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:07,301 He loved LAPD. He loved his officers. 124 00:07:08,345 --> 00:07:12,640 And there were times that I believe that his love for his officers... 125 00:07:13,683 --> 00:07:14,975 and the law enforcement mission... 126 00:07:16,311 --> 00:07:17,269 conflicted. 127 00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:26,821 O.J. Simpson and Elizabeth Montgomery 128 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:29,073 are two police detectives who have a problem. 129 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:32,576 They're falling in love, and it's breaking all the rules. 130 00:07:32,911 --> 00:07:34,120 But you are a married man, 131 00:07:34,413 --> 00:07:36,247 and your conduct is supposed to be exemplary. 132 00:07:36,498 --> 00:07:38,332 Would it make any difference if I was a white cop? 133 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:41,919 It's a bittersweet story of two people caught between 134 00:07:42,129 --> 00:07:43,421 their emotions and their actions 135 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:45,381 in "A Killing Affair". 136 00:07:45,674 --> 00:07:47,925 Sunday at 3:00 on channel 9. 137 00:07:48,969 --> 00:07:50,886 Life for a black person... 138 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:52,721 in a way, unfortunately, 139 00:07:52,931 --> 00:07:54,932 is different than for white people. 140 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:59,353 And especially for black people who attain great success. 141 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:02,857 Is there pressure from your community 142 00:08:03,191 --> 00:08:07,069 for you to really walk the straight and narrow? 143 00:08:07,404 --> 00:08:09,947 I know that you are currently dating a white woman. 144 00:08:10,198 --> 00:08:13,659 I wouldn't be asking this question if we were living in different times, 145 00:08:13,869 --> 00:08:15,953 but we aren't, and there seems to be... 146 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:17,955 this sort of dichotomy here. 147 00:08:18,373 --> 00:08:19,415 How do you answer it? 148 00:08:19,624 --> 00:08:21,208 Well, I rebel against images because... 149 00:08:21,543 --> 00:08:22,293 then, um... 150 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:24,462 you know, people tend to expect things from you. 151 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:27,047 I-- I think I created an image by being me. 152 00:08:27,382 --> 00:08:29,133 When I get into these arguments with... 153 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:30,968 people of the bla-- people of my community, 154 00:08:31,178 --> 00:08:31,927 the black community, 155 00:08:32,137 --> 00:08:34,513 I say, "Hey, I-- I've accepted Jesus Christ" 156 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:37,391 and, uh, I try to do unto others as, uh... 157 00:08:37,726 --> 00:08:38,934 you know, I would have them do unto me. 158 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:40,603 And after that, hey, my life is mine. 159 00:08:40,812 --> 00:08:43,898 And I... I do what is morally right and acceptable to me. 160 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:46,192 I am not prejudiced in any form. 161 00:08:46,401 --> 00:08:48,152 Obviously, I got a white girlfriend. [ Laughs ] 162 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:53,073 I admired his celebrity status. 163 00:08:53,909 --> 00:08:56,368 We thought he had accomplished quite a bit. 164 00:08:56,578 --> 00:08:58,245 To move from an athlete... 165 00:08:58,914 --> 00:09:01,665 to... a position of celebrity, 166 00:09:02,209 --> 00:09:05,878 and loved by all the people, not just black folk. 167 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:08,631 [ Gospel singing ] 168 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:16,555 I invited O.J. here, early on in the '80s. 169 00:09:17,307 --> 00:09:20,142 He didn't come as often as I thought he should. 170 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:22,561 But he did come to church. 171 00:09:22,854 --> 00:09:24,647 I think he was very in tune with... 172 00:09:24,856 --> 00:09:26,190 who his mother wanted him to be. 173 00:09:27,776 --> 00:09:30,986 She wanted him to be honest, to be religious. 174 00:09:31,655 --> 00:09:34,532 Just to rise above a lot of the things 175 00:09:34,741 --> 00:09:36,242 that he saw growing up. 176 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:39,203 His mother was a staunch Christian. 177 00:09:39,788 --> 00:09:44,333 And she had embedded within him the tenets of Jesus Christ. 178 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:49,129 I would talk to him about having achieved money and fame. 179 00:09:49,631 --> 00:09:51,715 But all that came from God. 180 00:09:52,509 --> 00:09:54,843 And there are times when you should... 181 00:09:55,512 --> 00:09:58,430 respond to how good God has been to you. 182 00:09:59,641 --> 00:10:01,392 Now, some days, depending on his mood, 183 00:10:01,726 --> 00:10:03,310 he would agree. 184 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:06,230 But he was not out there... 185 00:10:06,565 --> 00:10:07,314 publicly... 186 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:10,776 fighting for African-Americans. 187 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:13,946 I think each person who is in the limelight 188 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,615 has an obligation... 189 00:10:17,158 --> 00:10:19,577 to make things better for the last, the lost, the least, 190 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:21,662 the left out, and the looked over. 191 00:10:22,706 --> 00:10:24,498 And I thought he should have done more. 192 00:10:28,169 --> 00:10:31,046 If we, as Black people, do not take on the responsibility... 193 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:32,923 to do something for ourselves, 194 00:10:33,216 --> 00:10:35,676 we really should be scorned in the eyes of the world. 195 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:38,512 In my circles, there were not a lot of people 196 00:10:38,722 --> 00:10:41,765 who were preoccupying themselves with getting to O.J. 197 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:44,018 or believing that O.J. could be turned around, 198 00:10:44,227 --> 00:10:46,729 or someday was gonna come to his senses 199 00:10:47,105 --> 00:10:51,358 and embrace all of the things that have the values that we had, 200 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:53,193 in terms of really, really 201 00:10:53,528 --> 00:10:56,905 doing something demonstrative for the Black community. 202 00:10:58,366 --> 00:11:00,117 O.J. was just one of those things 203 00:11:00,327 --> 00:11:02,620 that you just kind of dismissed, "Oh, that brother's a lost cause." 204 00:11:04,789 --> 00:11:06,373 His voice was mute... 205 00:11:06,958 --> 00:11:11,795 on any issues that related to Black people and our salvation, 206 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:14,256 police brutality, all of those things. 207 00:11:14,883 --> 00:11:16,258 He was just a non-entity. 208 00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:18,302 [ Applause ] 209 00:11:19,012 --> 00:11:22,431 I don't know that he felt that he was sacrificing 210 00:11:22,641 --> 00:11:24,558 what other people thought he was. 211 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:27,269 But you're sacrificing who you are... 212 00:11:28,938 --> 00:11:30,147 who you are raised to be. 213 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:37,154 How does one sustain that over that period of time? 214 00:11:39,407 --> 00:11:44,870 How does one bend one's soul to that degree of denial? 215 00:11:45,246 --> 00:11:46,997 [ Sirens wailing ] 216 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:50,042 It's easy to tell while laid out on the ground, 217 00:11:50,251 --> 00:11:51,085 while he's bleeding to death. 218 00:11:51,294 --> 00:11:52,544 Is that what makes you happy? 219 00:11:52,754 --> 00:11:57,049 [ Indistinct chatter ] 220 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,218 Did you hear? Did you see what was going on? 221 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:01,637 Did he see everything happening in South Central? 222 00:12:01,846 --> 00:12:02,638 Yeah. 223 00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:04,306 Did he want to take that home with him? 224 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:06,558 Did he want that to be who he was? 225 00:12:06,810 --> 00:12:07,810 Who he identified with? No. 226 00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:10,020 He stayed in Brentwood. 227 00:12:13,692 --> 00:12:15,442 When you live in South L.A., 228 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:17,319 I mean you live here, 229 00:12:17,529 --> 00:12:18,862 this is where you breath, 230 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:21,073 this is where you occupy your space, 231 00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:23,659 I'm not sure if, you know, a lot of people even know 232 00:12:23,868 --> 00:12:24,785 where Brentwood is. 233 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,163 That's just the reality... 234 00:12:28,498 --> 00:12:31,542 of Black America and White America. 235 00:12:33,837 --> 00:12:37,381 Two totally... separate worlds. 236 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:41,927 [ Orchestra playing ] 237 00:12:47,475 --> 00:12:49,893 He's somebody who learned how to live with, 238 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:53,480 be totally accepted by a white world. 239 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:55,899 [ Orchestra continues playing ] 240 00:12:58,236 --> 00:12:59,194 Underneath that, 241 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:02,990 he learned all of the indignities of the Black world. 242 00:13:05,535 --> 00:13:09,997 Although it's impossible to believe that he's that brilliant an actor. 243 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:14,585 I think he was always kind of on when he was in a White world, 244 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:16,795 and he weren't when he was in a Black world. 245 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:27,139 Which makes him the right soul for Coalhouse Walker. 246 00:13:30,685 --> 00:13:34,897 He very much wanted to be cast in E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime". 247 00:13:35,106 --> 00:13:37,983 And he worked hard on trying to get that part. 248 00:13:38,985 --> 00:13:40,903 He saw the part as being 249 00:13:41,112 --> 00:13:44,114 something that he could go into a new dimension as an actor. 250 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:46,658 Let's go to your acting career for a moment. 251 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,620 Why did you want the role of Coalhouse Walker Jr.? 252 00:13:49,913 --> 00:13:51,914 Well, first of all, it, um... 253 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:55,167 it was the only part thus far that I've ever actively 254 00:13:55,376 --> 00:13:56,502 went after and didn't get. 255 00:13:56,711 --> 00:13:59,213 So, I'd consider it my only failure in film. 256 00:13:59,422 --> 00:14:00,798 [ Laughs ] Thus far. 257 00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:02,216 [ Birds chirping ] 258 00:14:03,968 --> 00:14:04,802 Good afternoon. 259 00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:07,471 I wonder if you might be able to help me. 260 00:14:08,556 --> 00:14:09,306 Uh... 261 00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:10,474 Uh... what do you want? 262 00:14:10,934 --> 00:14:13,310 Well, I'm looking for a young woman of color called Sarah. 263 00:14:13,895 --> 00:14:14,895 Uh... who are you? 264 00:14:15,271 --> 00:14:16,063 Oh, I'm sorry. 265 00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:17,981 My name is Coalhouse Walker Jr. 266 00:14:18,483 --> 00:14:21,652 When I read the book, I could identify with this guy... 267 00:14:21,945 --> 00:14:25,197 so much-- He was a Black man in-- at a time 268 00:14:25,406 --> 00:14:27,783 when you were supposed to know you were Black. 269 00:14:27,992 --> 00:14:29,576 You were supposed to know you had a place. 270 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:31,286 Would you please wait around the back? 271 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:33,622 I was raised in the sports world 272 00:14:33,832 --> 00:14:36,750 where you're only, uh, judged by your abilities... 273 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,627 and, uh, you know, what you have to give. 274 00:14:38,837 --> 00:14:39,545 [ Playing piano ] 275 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:43,298 Who is Coalhouse? 276 00:14:43,508 --> 00:14:45,384 Well, he's a guy who created himself. 277 00:14:45,635 --> 00:14:48,095 And destroyed himself... ultimately. 278 00:14:48,346 --> 00:14:49,721 [ Angry chatter ] 279 00:14:49,973 --> 00:14:52,891 He was a guy among other things who was very prideful and suffered. 280 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:55,394 Suffered for his pride. 281 00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:57,521 Mr. Walker, let me give you some advice. 282 00:14:58,982 --> 00:15:00,440 You spend the money on your wedding. 283 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:04,069 Build yourself a home and a family where you can find some comfort. 284 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:08,782 And just forget that some damn white man caused you offence. 285 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:11,076 I can understand exactly what he felt. 286 00:15:11,286 --> 00:15:12,119 When he walked in a room, 287 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:14,663 he gave no credence to the fact he was Black 288 00:15:14,873 --> 00:15:17,249 and he wasn't supposed to say things or be treated any differently. 289 00:15:17,458 --> 00:15:18,208 And, uh... 290 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:20,127 Uh.. that's the way I've tried to look at my life. 291 00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:22,087 So, I felt I was the right person for that role. 292 00:15:22,297 --> 00:15:24,715 I felt that I was today's Coalhouse Walker. 293 00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:26,967 "Just forget it"? Is that it? 294 00:15:29,095 --> 00:15:30,762 I've spent my whole life forgetting. 295 00:15:31,097 --> 00:15:33,974 You're a young man. You better start learning now. 296 00:15:35,018 --> 00:15:35,934 Learning what? 297 00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:37,936 How to be a nigger? 298 00:15:41,149 --> 00:15:42,941 You know, there was some tragedy in your life... 299 00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:45,319 in the last 10 years. You lost a child. 300 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:48,071 I wanna talk about how it changed you. 301 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:56,955 The baby drowned in a swimming pool. 302 00:15:57,582 --> 00:15:58,916 On Rockingham, there. 303 00:16:00,668 --> 00:16:01,627 He was away. 304 00:16:02,211 --> 00:16:03,837 You know, he was always gone. 305 00:16:04,047 --> 00:16:05,213 Four, set! 306 00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:07,424 I don't know how much it changed me. 307 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,801 I've always tried to live my life to the fullest. 308 00:16:10,011 --> 00:16:10,719 And, uh... 309 00:16:10,929 --> 00:16:11,720 I used to be so busy. 310 00:16:11,930 --> 00:16:12,846 And I was on the road so much, 311 00:16:13,431 --> 00:16:15,599 that in a sense it partially cost me a marriage. 312 00:16:16,351 --> 00:16:17,851 When I lost my daughter... 313 00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:19,311 I was gone. 314 00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:22,272 When my first daughter was born, I was gone. 315 00:16:22,523 --> 00:16:24,066 [ Crowd cheering ] 316 00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:28,654 When you lose a child, it's very hard. 317 00:16:29,113 --> 00:16:32,491 Three weeks before Aaren drowned, my son drowned... 318 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,703 in a pool, that Boys Club in San Leandro, California. 319 00:16:37,372 --> 00:16:39,873 So, the tragedy affected us both. 320 00:16:41,292 --> 00:16:44,836 It still affects me. So, I know-- how it affects him. 321 00:16:48,091 --> 00:16:50,342 He didn't bring it up, and we didn't talk much about it. 322 00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:51,635 Hey, O.J.! 323 00:16:52,637 --> 00:16:55,472 I think it's the single most horrible thing in the world. 324 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,725 [ Crowd cheering ] 325 00:16:59,936 --> 00:17:02,104 I think what you learn in the streets, 326 00:17:03,106 --> 00:17:04,898 is how to bury things. 327 00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,275 And he blamed Marguerite. 328 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,827 He got rid of that memory when he got rid of that wife. 329 00:17:17,996 --> 00:17:20,122 He just compartmentalized it. 330 00:17:21,124 --> 00:17:22,457 And got 'em out. 331 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:28,046 If anything, I made up my mind that I would be around. 332 00:17:28,256 --> 00:17:29,006 And, uh... 333 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:30,716 it's nice to be loved by everybody. 334 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:33,093 But there's some people that love you a little more. 335 00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:34,177 So, I guess if anything, 336 00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:36,513 I-- I just want to be a little more loving 337 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:38,849 and be there a little more to the people that have, uh, 338 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,268 have chosen to share their lives with me. 339 00:17:43,771 --> 00:17:44,855 And now by the... 340 00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:47,190 authority committed unto me 341 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,359 as a minister in the church of Jesus Christ 342 00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:51,737 and according to the laws in the State of California, 343 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,823 it gives me great delight, O.J. and Nicole, 344 00:17:55,033 --> 00:17:57,325 to pronounce you husband and wife. 345 00:17:57,535 --> 00:17:59,161 [ Applause ] 346 00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:03,415 [ "Uptight (Everything's Alright)" plays ] 347 00:18:11,466 --> 00:18:13,091 We love "Juice" like my brother. 348 00:18:13,301 --> 00:18:15,594 I'm thrilled he's my partner, and we're just... 349 00:18:16,137 --> 00:18:18,722 totally knocked out that he finally took the step... 350 00:18:18,973 --> 00:18:21,600 [ "Jump (For My Love)" plays ] 351 00:18:22,018 --> 00:18:23,393 They had a great wedding. 352 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:26,480 Of course, they had amazing music. 353 00:18:26,689 --> 00:18:29,149 And it was all, you know, Christal champagne, 354 00:18:29,358 --> 00:18:30,108 all you could drink. 355 00:18:30,318 --> 00:18:32,069 Where are the drugs? No, I'm just kidding. 356 00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:34,071 It was a great party. 357 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:39,659 And they made a really strong, gorgeous couple. 358 00:18:43,164 --> 00:18:45,582 I just felt that they were the ideal couple. 359 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,085 Because it seems like to me, from what I saw, 360 00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:51,004 it seemed like they just had so much fun all the time. 361 00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:53,882 I'm married! I don't believe it! 362 00:18:54,092 --> 00:18:54,800 [ Laughing ] 363 00:18:55,051 --> 00:18:56,551 I'm married! I really don't believe it. 364 00:18:56,761 --> 00:18:57,511 [ Laughing ] 365 00:18:58,221 --> 00:19:01,681 Nicole was funny, and she was fun to be around. 366 00:19:02,225 --> 00:19:03,642 She was a very good friend. 367 00:19:04,185 --> 00:19:05,310 When Nicole came into my life at... 368 00:19:05,686 --> 00:19:08,021 what for any athlete is very difficult time, 369 00:19:08,231 --> 00:19:09,189 it was at the end of my career, 370 00:19:09,649 --> 00:19:12,150 I was also going through a divorce at the time and, uh... 371 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,820 All my life, I wanted to be a father. 372 00:19:15,738 --> 00:19:17,322 I never really thought about being a husband. 373 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:19,241 And I thought I had given up... 374 00:19:20,118 --> 00:19:22,410 the opportunity to watch my kids grow 375 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:25,080 until you came into my life and made this house a home, 376 00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:26,581 brought my kids in. 377 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:28,500 You brought love into my house. 378 00:19:28,709 --> 00:19:30,127 [ Cheering ] 379 00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:36,299 He was really proud of her. 380 00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:40,011 And she had definitely taken over. 381 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:42,389 I mean, she was running the show at Rockingham. 382 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:46,977 Rockingham, it was his Graceland. 383 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:49,354 It was all of their Graceland. 384 00:19:49,564 --> 00:19:51,481 We never said, "I'll meet you at O.J.'s house." 385 00:19:51,691 --> 00:19:53,233 It was always, "I'll see you at Rockingham." 386 00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:55,694 It was what brought all of us together. 387 00:19:57,655 --> 00:19:59,114 It was a special place. 388 00:19:59,365 --> 00:20:01,158 I mean, you never knew who was gonna be there. 389 00:20:01,784 --> 00:20:05,078 He gravitated toward celebrities. 390 00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:06,746 In any field. 391 00:20:07,248 --> 00:20:10,625 And that's the glue that bonded him to Los Angeles, 392 00:20:10,877 --> 00:20:13,837 and also made Rockingham that castle. 393 00:20:15,298 --> 00:20:17,883 You'd have the greatest athletes in the world show up. 394 00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:20,427 The most interesting politicians, you know? 395 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,845 The entertainment world. 396 00:20:22,305 --> 00:20:24,347 And everybody always had a wonderful time 397 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:25,765 because it was "The Juice". 398 00:20:27,101 --> 00:20:30,103 I've always had a large what I call "family"... 399 00:20:30,313 --> 00:20:31,605 A large circle of friends, 400 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,149 and you need 'em more, I guess, in your life. 401 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,027 At my house, I mean, I have to be successful 402 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,279 to pay for the soft drinks and the beer 403 00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:41,531 that the guys drink at the house on the weekends. 404 00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:47,913 He flew a flag at Rockingham every day. 405 00:20:48,539 --> 00:20:50,916 He loved America. He loved the red, white, and blue. 406 00:20:51,209 --> 00:20:54,085 He loved that feeling that you get, you know, on the Fourth of July, 407 00:20:54,337 --> 00:20:55,795 and see jets fly over. 408 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,215 During the Olympics, when he carried the torch. 409 00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,050 That was a big thing to him. 410 00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:04,471 That was one of the things we talked about for years after. 411 00:21:05,473 --> 00:21:07,724 How perfect the world was then. 412 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:10,852 I want to say to, uh... 413 00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:12,562 the Hall of Fame members here, 414 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,814 I mean, as a kid, I watched these guys 415 00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:17,067 and, well, I must have done something good 416 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,361 or something right to be here, and I just want you to know 417 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:21,321 that I'll never let you guys down, man. 418 00:21:21,572 --> 00:21:23,281 I'll live up to the honor of being in this Hall 419 00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:24,407 and being on your team. 420 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,451 [ Applause ] 421 00:21:26,827 --> 00:21:27,827 Thank you very much. 422 00:21:28,037 --> 00:21:29,496 [ Applause ] 423 00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,125 The most unique aspect of O.J. Simpson 424 00:21:34,335 --> 00:21:35,627 is that you're one of the few people 425 00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:38,338 who've not only been successful in athletics, 426 00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:42,008 but that success has really carried over to life after football. 427 00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:45,303 [ Crowd cheering ] 428 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:47,806 Well, it's real exciting for me to be back here. 429 00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:49,724 You know, on the field where I had so many thrills, 430 00:21:49,934 --> 00:21:52,435 and to experience these Buffalo Bills fans, 431 00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:54,896 and, believe me, Howard, they're in rare form tonight. 432 00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:58,692 Well, he certainly tried to be a commentator. 433 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:01,111 Peyton following Matt Suhey. 434 00:22:01,487 --> 00:22:05,240 It's a testament to walk-- Walter's conditioning. 435 00:22:05,449 --> 00:22:06,908 This guy works out harder than anybody in... 436 00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:13,540 He very much was involved in corporate America 437 00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:15,583 and being on boards. 438 00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:19,879 I think he was trying, very intelligently, 439 00:22:20,089 --> 00:22:23,383 to parley his fame into wealth. 440 00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:28,388 By the '80s, O.J. really was a businessman. 441 00:22:30,474 --> 00:22:33,518 His new friends were all super wealthy, 442 00:22:34,103 --> 00:22:36,021 powerful white men. 443 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,774 And I think really the reason he surrounded himself 444 00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:42,319 with all these big, successful entrepreneurs 445 00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:44,404 is because he saw himself as one, too. 446 00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:49,743 I've always been, sort of, an inquisitive person. 447 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:52,287 And I have friends who do a lot of different things. 448 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:55,248 And I've made it a point to find out what the people 449 00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:56,333 around me were doing. 450 00:22:59,128 --> 00:23:00,503 He called me a lot. 451 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,966 "Now, Frank, I have this opportunity for HoneyBaked Hams." 452 00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:08,970 Or "Frank, this friend of mine is doing some storage things 453 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:10,263 in California." 454 00:23:10,973 --> 00:23:13,058 I didn't always know those answers. 455 00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:14,893 But I guess I enjoyed the fact 456 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:17,103 that he trusted me enough to do that. 457 00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:22,108 I introduced him to the business world. 458 00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:28,490 I took him places... 459 00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:31,868 where I think very few Black men had ever been. 460 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:34,454 The Pine Valley Golf Club. 461 00:23:35,498 --> 00:23:37,582 The number one club in America. 462 00:23:40,878 --> 00:23:42,504 I got him into Arcola. 463 00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:44,839 He was the first black member of the club. 464 00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,467 Oh, yeah, by a long shot. 465 00:23:48,135 --> 00:23:50,345 This one time, he brought Sidney Poitier. 466 00:23:50,763 --> 00:23:54,557 And, of course, the whole club was circling around the two of them. 467 00:23:55,518 --> 00:23:59,020 Even the bigots thought that was terrific. 468 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:00,897 They loved him. 469 00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,233 Because he just fit in. 470 00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,862 He could schmooze around and get ingratiated, 471 00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:08,905 'cause he was "The Juice". 472 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:12,617 Street-smart, this man was an Einstein. 473 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:18,039 He could cunningly and calculatingly figure out exactly 474 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,583 what these white people were thinking about, 475 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,627 but he was also that way with Black people. 476 00:24:23,212 --> 00:24:26,881 It was almost magnetic, they were just drawn to it. 477 00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:28,675 And I don't care who was there, 478 00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:30,593 when he got to the room, it was, "The Juice is here." 479 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:34,681 Here's the man whose smile is more dazzling 480 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:36,474 than all his golden awards. 481 00:24:36,892 --> 00:24:40,520 Sportsman, actor, all around wonderful 482 00:24:40,729 --> 00:24:42,856 Mr. O.J. Simpson! 483 00:24:43,065 --> 00:24:44,566 [ Applause ] 484 00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:47,360 I always told him he had delusions of grandeur. 485 00:24:47,945 --> 00:24:50,321 He thought he could do certain things in business 486 00:24:50,531 --> 00:24:51,906 that he wasn't capable of. 487 00:24:52,116 --> 00:24:52,907 AUDIENCE: Three! 488 00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:56,327 One day he was gonna run Paramount or 20th Century, 489 00:24:56,745 --> 00:24:57,704 Warner Brothers... 490 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:00,165 Now, I mean, he believed things like that. 491 00:25:00,624 --> 00:25:02,834 Ladies and gentlemen, another winning performance 492 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:05,336 from Mr. O.J. Simpson! 493 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:07,714 There's something deep-seated... 494 00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:09,924 that I think a lot of people like myself 495 00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:12,802 have to face up to about what created 496 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:14,429 this complex character. 497 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,474 It wasn't just him, it was part society. 498 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,643 [ The Naked Gun theme plays ] [ Siren wailing ] 499 00:25:22,688 --> 00:25:24,147 We were looking for a celebrity... 500 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:28,234 and I-- I don't think we wanted an all-white cast anymore, 501 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,362 as we did for the Police Squad TV show. 502 00:25:33,073 --> 00:25:36,201 This was something that, you know, kinda looked better... 503 00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:37,243 for us. 504 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:43,458 He was still in the public eye, but yet he was economical, 505 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,169 because I don't think he was in demand for movies. 506 00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:48,588 Police! Throw down your guns! 507 00:25:48,923 --> 00:25:51,174 O.J. was fine for Naked Gun. 508 00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:53,343 There was nobody better. 509 00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:54,719 [ Gunfire ] 510 00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:57,472 [ Groans ] 511 00:25:59,308 --> 00:26:00,725 -[ Sizzles ] -Ahh! 512 00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:03,937 Oh, no! 513 00:26:05,648 --> 00:26:07,899 Naked Gun surprised me-- 514 00:26:08,108 --> 00:26:09,651 [ Screams ] 515 00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:11,402 How funny he was. 516 00:26:12,029 --> 00:26:12,904 He's a funny man. 517 00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:15,490 I mean, he was always a very funny man. 518 00:26:16,033 --> 00:26:18,493 And he was always a selflessly funny man. 519 00:26:18,786 --> 00:26:20,411 -Nordberg! -Hiya, buddy! 520 00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:21,371 Hey! 521 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,831 The doc says I should be on my feet and as good as new in a week! 522 00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:27,252 -And back on the force. -Nordberg, that's wonderful! 523 00:26:28,629 --> 00:26:29,504 Whoa! 524 00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:32,423 Oh, Frank! Everyone should have a friend like you! 525 00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:34,092 [ Nordberg screams ] 526 00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:37,637 [ "I'm Into Something Good" plays] 527 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,390 I used to take a lot of cops over to O.J.'s house, 528 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,393 and I would never tell them who we were going to meet. 529 00:26:44,228 --> 00:26:46,854 And I just loved looking at the expression 530 00:26:47,064 --> 00:26:48,648 on my partner's face 531 00:26:49,066 --> 00:26:51,484 when they looked and saw O.J. opening the door, 532 00:26:51,694 --> 00:26:53,111 and it was just like looking at-- 533 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,405 You know, 'cause some of these guys, you know, macho cops. 534 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,490 "Hey," you know, "I'm LAPD". 535 00:26:57,992 --> 00:27:02,829 And you could see them melt like little kids around this guy. 536 00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:07,208 Everybody loved O.J. Simpson, all the cops. 537 00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:09,961 If you asked him for an autograph, you asked him for whatever, 538 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:12,672 I mean, he was just really, like, your best friend. 539 00:27:17,219 --> 00:27:19,012 Now, let's take a look at today's black culture 540 00:27:19,221 --> 00:27:20,471 in the city of Los Angeles. 541 00:27:21,557 --> 00:27:23,683 The most important point that should be considered 542 00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:25,893 in a law-enforcement setting involving blacks 543 00:27:26,103 --> 00:27:28,313 is the matter of respect. 544 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:31,357 Everyone should be treated in a respectful manner. 545 00:27:31,734 --> 00:27:34,110 Okay, 4-23, you see that, uh, male black. 546 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,570 He's walking on the north side of the street there 547 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:36,487 on your right side. 548 00:27:36,697 --> 00:27:38,197 Slow down. That's one of the suspects there. 549 00:27:40,701 --> 00:27:41,492 [ Police radio chatter ] 550 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,412 People who have been abused by the police 551 00:27:44,622 --> 00:27:46,122 have no regard for them. 552 00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:49,000 They don't believe that the police comes 553 00:27:49,209 --> 00:27:51,836 to protect them, comes to serve them. 554 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,464 That would be an unfortunate error in judgment 555 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,342 for you to conclude that all persons of a particular group 556 00:27:57,593 --> 00:28:01,012 are similar to the few you have contact while you are working. 557 00:28:01,263 --> 00:28:03,514 We're sorry if, you know, it's our job too. 558 00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:05,391 that-- that we've had to do this. 559 00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:07,060 We just can't let you go. 560 00:28:08,062 --> 00:28:08,978 Look how I look. 561 00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:13,066 I'm light, bright, but damn sure not white. Okay? 562 00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:16,235 But the reality is, when I'm stopped by the police, 563 00:28:16,904 --> 00:28:18,488 you know, they treat me like a nigger. 564 00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:23,409 Okay, let's roll, and let's be careful out there. 565 00:28:23,827 --> 00:28:27,705 In 1978, Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates apologized 566 00:28:27,915 --> 00:28:31,334 after saying some Hispanic officers don't advance in the ranks 567 00:28:31,543 --> 00:28:33,002 because they are, quote, "lazy", 568 00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:35,838 and now an NAACP official 569 00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:37,632 is calling a comment by Chief Gates, 570 00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:40,218 quote, "so horrendous that it's laughable." 571 00:28:40,594 --> 00:28:42,804 It all started when he first defended 572 00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:44,639 controversial choke holds. 573 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:48,142 A number of African-American suspects had died 574 00:28:48,352 --> 00:28:50,269 after being subjected to a choke hold, 575 00:28:50,688 --> 00:28:52,855 and Gates was asked about it, and he said the problem was 576 00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:54,899 that they didn't respond the same as normal people. 577 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:59,070 The chief needs some time off to remove his foot from his mouth 578 00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:02,573 and LAPD's choke hold from the necks of black people. 579 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,243 When I started covering the police department, 580 00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:08,538 you could feel the residue of that comment. 581 00:29:09,206 --> 00:29:11,207 In fact, police officers used to refer to the cars, 582 00:29:11,417 --> 00:29:13,376 which normally people would call black-and-whites, 583 00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:14,877 they called them "black-and-normals". 584 00:29:15,963 --> 00:29:18,339 And they would call them that in front of a reporter, by the way. 585 00:29:18,841 --> 00:29:21,759 So it's safe to say that it was a sort of easy, 586 00:29:21,969 --> 00:29:23,928 call it racial insensitivity, call it racism, 587 00:29:24,138 --> 00:29:25,054 within the department. 588 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:31,060 I moved to LA in 1988. 589 00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:35,481 I had a really good friend who lived there, and she said, 590 00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:38,901 "I have to give you the black man's guide to survival in LA. 591 00:29:39,403 --> 00:29:42,238 Whatever you do, don't fuck with LAPD." 592 00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,824 [ Police dispatch chatter] 593 00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:49,120 In Los Angeles it was a day filled with tension in many communities, 594 00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:51,622 because of the current wave of gang warfare. 595 00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:53,374 I feel like a prisoner on the streets. 596 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,127 This city has vowed to stop gang violence, 597 00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,463 but as police hunt the people responsible, 598 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,506 they must follow a trail of bodies. 599 00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:02,508 We're gonna do whatever's necessary, 600 00:30:02,885 --> 00:30:05,344 and I told my people we're gonna wage a war. 601 00:30:09,892 --> 00:30:11,017 Operation Hammer, 602 00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:15,813 that was the belief that we overwhelm the community 603 00:30:16,023 --> 00:30:20,067 with warrants where we believe that we had violent criminals, 604 00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,279 we could rid the problem. 605 00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,239 Ladies, down on the ground! 606 00:30:25,449 --> 00:30:27,200 Put your hands down, kneel over there! 607 00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:29,327 Over the past week or so, Chief Gates, 608 00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:30,495 how many arrests have you made? 609 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:34,791 Well, in the last month we've made, uh, about 3,000 arrests. 610 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,877 Uh, just in the last weekend we made, uh, 1,400. 611 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:45,343 You just have a culture of officers who felt that, 612 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:47,678 uh, the only way the world will survive 613 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:50,431 is if we neutralize these individuals 614 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:52,183 as soon as possible. 615 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:53,434 Hands down, man. 616 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:55,937 And in the process of doing that, 617 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:58,564 they debased and demeaned the community. 618 00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:04,320 You understand me? 619 00:31:07,783 --> 00:31:09,909 There was no conversation with the community about 620 00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:11,828 "How should we deal with this?" 621 00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:14,914 It was just hammer, hammer, hammer. 622 00:31:18,335 --> 00:31:22,839 We have a war. We are going to be successful. 623 00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:25,341 Whatever it takes, we will do it. 624 00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:38,229 I'd just put the kids into bed, and the next thing I know, 625 00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:40,147 they just came in with guns and they were saying, "Get down", 626 00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:41,816 and they grabbed me by the back of my head, 627 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:42,942 and he threw me on the floor, 628 00:31:43,277 --> 00:31:45,486 then they kicked me, and they hit me on my back, 629 00:31:45,696 --> 00:31:46,821 and they said, "Get down, bitch." 630 00:31:47,197 --> 00:31:49,073 And then the kids were just hollerin' and screamin'. 631 00:31:49,283 --> 00:31:49,991 And the next thing I know 632 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,534 they were just tearing the place up. 633 00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:56,289 1988, 39th and Dalton. 634 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:06,716 Not the best police practices. 635 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:10,386 Not the best way to manage a, uh-- a warrant service. 636 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:13,139 Everything was destroyed as police 637 00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,433 batted and rammed their way from room to room 638 00:32:15,642 --> 00:32:16,893 searching for drugs. 639 00:32:17,185 --> 00:32:20,313 Much of what they found were screaming mothers and children. 640 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:23,024 This is my bedroom over here, 641 00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:26,193 but they even broke all the mirrors and stuff out of the bed. 642 00:32:28,697 --> 00:32:31,741 They went in and literally destroyed the apartment 643 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:36,162 where supposedly a lot of drug activity was going on. 644 00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:40,416 All this resulted in three quarters of an ounce of rock cocaine seized 645 00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:42,543 along with six ounces of pot. 646 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,006 You wouldn't go to Beverly Hills and do that, 647 00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:49,759 even if you thought there was a-- a mafia hangout. 648 00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:53,596 Even if you thought it was legitimate. 649 00:32:54,932 --> 00:32:58,017 I called my insurance, and I told them what happened. 650 00:32:58,268 --> 00:33:00,978 He said he had never heard of the police doing this. 651 00:33:02,731 --> 00:33:07,485 When you don't live in the community, you don't think of 'em as human. 652 00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:10,821 In my wildest dreams, would have never thought 653 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:14,492 the police of the city of Los Angeles would treat someone that way. 654 00:33:14,701 --> 00:33:16,035 They started kicking me. 655 00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:18,871 What they tell ya? 656 00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:20,122 They didn't tell me nothin', 657 00:33:20,374 --> 00:33:21,582 they started kicking me and hitting me 658 00:33:21,792 --> 00:33:22,833 on my ribs and stuff. 659 00:33:23,877 --> 00:33:27,838 Chief Gates, we're proud of you, We're proud to wear the 'PD blue. 660 00:33:28,048 --> 00:33:29,256 [ Applause ] 661 00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:32,885 You'd go to the power of LAPD back then. 662 00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:36,806 They pretty much could do what they wanted to do. 663 00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:46,315 Yeah. 664 00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:50,861 Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson, and this season on HBO, 665 00:33:51,071 --> 00:33:53,280 I'm gonna be high-stepping right into your living room. 666 00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:55,950 All right, we'll do it again. 667 00:33:57,411 --> 00:33:58,619 When O.J. was at SC, 668 00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:01,747 in my generation you didn't have the jerseys you could go buy, 669 00:34:02,249 --> 00:34:04,458 so I would take my T-shirts and write "Simpson", 670 00:34:04,751 --> 00:34:06,002 and I'd put, you know, 671 00:34:06,211 --> 00:34:09,714 like, you know, his number, 32, and, "Okay, I'm O.J." 672 00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,675 Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson, and this season on HBO, 673 00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:14,760 I'm gonna be high-stepping right into your living room. 674 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,221 I just thought, "One day, I wanna meet this guy." 675 00:34:17,431 --> 00:34:18,639 Okay, what's the next one? 676 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,100 And it was through Marcus Allen. 677 00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,853 Follow me through Training Camp, and I guarantee that I'll-- 678 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,563 Hey, Juice, I did hear my name. 679 00:34:25,772 --> 00:34:27,189 Hey, man, this is my spot, Marcus. 680 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:28,524 Well, I've got the ball now. 681 00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:32,403 I'd been marketing Marcus for a few years. 682 00:34:32,612 --> 00:34:33,821 And I told him, uh, 683 00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:36,824 "O.J. ever needs a manager, let me know." 684 00:34:37,034 --> 00:34:39,076 Training Camp is a time to show what you can do. 685 00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:41,912 It's a time to show off your skills. 686 00:34:43,165 --> 00:34:45,124 You can prove yourself as a man. 687 00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:46,751 Blah, blah, blah. 688 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,128 I did public appearances, endorsements, 689 00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:50,129 -TV commercials... -[ Clears throat ] 690 00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:51,672 ...autograph signings, 691 00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:54,967 basically everything encompassing his image. 692 00:34:55,552 --> 00:34:57,094 This week in Training Camp... 693 00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,764 This week in Training Camp... 694 00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:03,642 This week in Training Camp... No. 695 00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:07,563 The big thing that has always been in everybody's head is image. 696 00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:08,773 Image is everything. 697 00:35:09,566 --> 00:35:14,153 Never do anything that is going to harm his image. 698 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:16,781 Thank you guys. 699 00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:17,740 I remember he had a-- 700 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:20,826 a little hundred-yard dash with Marcus Allen one day. 701 00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:24,288 And he had bad knees, O.J., from all the running. 702 00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:27,041 And he beat fuckin' Marcus. I couldn't believe it. 703 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:28,459 It's something inside of him. 704 00:35:29,294 --> 00:35:31,629 He wanted to win, no matter what it took. 705 00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:35,216 Chopping through that swing. And look out. 706 00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:36,717 [ Applause ] 707 00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:41,138 When he first started playing golf, he violated every rule. 708 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:45,059 Okay. He's gotta work on his balance a little bit. 709 00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:47,436 I played with O.J. and this other friend, 710 00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:49,313 Little Joe Kolkowitz. 711 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:54,026 O.J. had the worst form of anybody on this planet 712 00:35:54,236 --> 00:35:55,486 when he swung a golf club. 713 00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:01,450 One day, on the first tee, he hits this big drive, 714 00:36:02,202 --> 00:36:04,954 and it hooks into the trees, heavy stuff. 715 00:36:06,248 --> 00:36:08,916 So we go down the fairway, we're waiting and waiting 716 00:36:09,126 --> 00:36:10,292 'til Joe goes after him. 717 00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:12,753 All of a sudden, he finds his ball 718 00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:15,089 after a place where we probably went over. 719 00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:21,846 He sees the ball sitting on a tee, and he says to O.J., 720 00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,264 "You can't do this shit, man." 721 00:36:24,766 --> 00:36:26,058 I go, "Juice, come on." 722 00:36:26,476 --> 00:36:30,187 "Do you know what the odds of the ball landing on a tee 723 00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:32,064 in this area--?" 724 00:36:32,274 --> 00:36:36,235 He totally was not going to confess to the whole thing. 725 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:39,363 He definitely cheated. 726 00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:41,282 Yes. Yes. 727 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,786 What he'd do, he had a ball in his pants, 728 00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:47,621 and he'd drop it out and then, 729 00:36:47,831 --> 00:36:48,914 "Hey, you guys, come on over here." 730 00:36:49,082 --> 00:36:50,416 You know, "Here's my ball." 731 00:36:51,835 --> 00:36:53,586 And he did that to the point where finally 732 00:36:53,795 --> 00:36:56,547 a bunch of guys got together, and they hired a caddy. 733 00:36:57,757 --> 00:36:59,341 We called it The Juice Patrol. 734 00:37:00,844 --> 00:37:03,179 And so he'd follow O.J. around in another cart, 735 00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:05,055 [ Laughs ] so he wouldn't cheat. 736 00:37:05,765 --> 00:37:08,851 It was funny. It was, you know, it was like you couldn't get mad. 737 00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:10,936 It was very hard to get mad at him. 738 00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:17,193 One of the things you pride yourself in in being a golfer 739 00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:18,527 is you don't cheat, 740 00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,489 but people made a joke out of it, 741 00:37:22,699 --> 00:37:25,910 because they so badly wanted him to understand 742 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,704 the rules and regulations of this part of society 743 00:37:28,955 --> 00:37:31,123 that didn't tolerate that type of behavior. 744 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,834 And yet he had that amazing charm 745 00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:37,588 that you'd somehow let him get away with certain things. 746 00:37:39,549 --> 00:37:41,508 -[ Applause ] -Juice! Juice! 747 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,552 Juice! Juice! 748 00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:45,930 Touchdown! 749 00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:47,890 Whenever you went somewhere with him, 750 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:49,391 like, doors would just open, 751 00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:52,478 and, you know, people would pick up checks. 752 00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:55,105 I'd say to him, "Hey, Juice, 753 00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:57,942 how are we going to get in... somewhere? 754 00:37:58,235 --> 00:37:59,235 We don't have any tickets." 755 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:00,736 He would go like this-- 756 00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:04,698 He-- That's his ticket. 757 00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:07,284 I think he became entitled. 758 00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:14,750 I certainly felt bedazzled by O.J. and Nicole and their lifestyle, 759 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,586 and I was very charmed by him, 760 00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:24,635 but I always did sense that part of it was not sincere. 761 00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:27,179 The other side is my better side, I think. 762 00:38:27,389 --> 00:38:28,180 Turn the other side for me. 763 00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:31,350 And I did feel that he took advantage of that. 764 00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:37,314 And if you allowed him to, I think he would, uh, use you. 765 00:38:37,524 --> 00:38:38,357 All right, we're set here. 766 00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:41,151 My kissable lips, ooh. 767 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:44,363 While he was married, his integrity was-- 768 00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:48,993 I mean, uh... not as I would have it. 769 00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:50,286 I will put it that way. 770 00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:54,707 He was an incorrigible womanizer. 771 00:38:55,417 --> 00:38:56,625 He just never stopped. 772 00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:01,463 He cornered me a couple times and tried to make, uh, 773 00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:07,052 sexual, you know, advance and, you know, I kind of pushed him off. 774 00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:13,058 I think O.J. felt entitled to anything O.J. wanted, 775 00:39:14,436 --> 00:39:18,564 and I think that he really needed that adulation from other women. 776 00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:23,694 She knew he had affairs, and it drove her crazy. 777 00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:25,362 Most of their big fights 778 00:39:25,572 --> 00:39:27,489 were about his affairs with other women. 779 00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:32,369 He went out of his way to almost rub it in her face. 780 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,998 He'd be in Las Vegas at a show and be holding hands 781 00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:37,541 with another woman. 782 00:39:38,126 --> 00:39:40,336 She would be watching TV, and, I mean, 783 00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:42,379 I don't know how she put up with it. 784 00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:45,466 He was pretty darn brazen. 785 00:39:46,593 --> 00:39:48,927 I think he even blamed his affair with Tawny Kitaen 786 00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:51,180 on the fact that Nicole got fat when she got pregnant. 787 00:39:51,848 --> 00:39:53,349 And he didn't wanna have sex with her. 788 00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:56,935 Something as superficial and cold as that. 789 00:39:57,896 --> 00:40:00,647 ♪ ...on the hammock, take a little swing. ♪ 790 00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:03,400 Look! See the trees? 791 00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:08,322 I told him, "Man, you're breaking the laws of God, 792 00:40:09,157 --> 00:40:12,826 and nobody does it with immunity. 793 00:40:14,037 --> 00:40:15,496 You're gonna pay for it, man. 794 00:40:17,582 --> 00:40:21,668 One day everybody's gonna know everything that you've done, man." 795 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:52,074 [ Police siren ] 796 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,412 When you hear a call come out, 797 00:40:56,621 --> 00:41:00,290 and the 911 operator puts out on the call 798 00:41:00,583 --> 00:41:04,378 that she can hear the woman being beaten in the background, 799 00:41:05,380 --> 00:41:06,880 that-- that's serious. 800 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:11,927 When I got there, 801 00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:16,765 I saw an electronic buzzer system, so I pushed the button. 802 00:41:17,892 --> 00:41:21,478 Almost simultaneously, a tall, female blonde 803 00:41:21,688 --> 00:41:24,273 came running out of the bushes. 804 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:29,069 She's wearing nothin' but a bra and sweatpants, 805 00:41:29,404 --> 00:41:30,362 covered in mud. 806 00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:31,447 And she kept yelling, 807 00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:33,157 "He's gonna kill me! He's gonna kill me!" 808 00:41:35,243 --> 00:41:36,827 When that gate opened, she ran up 809 00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:40,205 and just put her arms around me and clasped on me. 810 00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:44,293 She was so wet and cold 811 00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:46,962 that you could feel her shivering to her bone. 812 00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:50,090 And I said, "Well, who's gonna kill you?" 813 00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:51,675 She said, "O.J." 814 00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:55,888 She says, "You guys have been up here eight times before. 815 00:41:56,222 --> 00:41:58,807 All you do is talk to him, you never do anything. 816 00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:00,726 He's gonna kill me." 817 00:42:02,103 --> 00:42:03,687 Her face had already swollen. 818 00:42:04,147 --> 00:42:06,023 She actually had an imprint 819 00:42:06,232 --> 00:42:08,442 on one side of her face and her forehead. 820 00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:11,737 So I said, "Do you want him arrested for beating you?" 821 00:42:11,946 --> 00:42:12,946 She said, "Yes." 822 00:42:14,657 --> 00:42:18,535 About that time, O.J. Simpson came right up to the fence, 823 00:42:19,496 --> 00:42:21,079 and he started yelling, 824 00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:23,832 "I don't want her in my bed anymore. 825 00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:24,917 I got two other women. 826 00:42:25,126 --> 00:42:26,710 I don't want her in my bed anymore." 827 00:42:28,505 --> 00:42:31,089 He's got a receding hairline, so you can see his forehead, 828 00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:35,344 and this vein was popping out, pulsating, 829 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,554 and it was right up his forehead. 830 00:42:39,057 --> 00:42:42,601 I told him, "I'm placing you under arrest for beating your wife. 831 00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:46,355 You're gonna have to go get dressed so I can take you to jail." 832 00:42:48,024 --> 00:42:51,985 He turned around and went back in the house to get dressed. 833 00:42:53,446 --> 00:42:58,367 Suddenly I saw a Bentley pull out of the other driveway. 834 00:42:58,576 --> 00:42:59,326 [ Car tires screech ] 835 00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:01,870 So I said, "Back up. He's trying to get away in a car." 836 00:43:03,748 --> 00:43:07,960 And we backed out of the driveway, and I never caught him with that car. 837 00:43:08,169 --> 00:43:09,503 I never found him. 838 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:13,924 [ Marching band music ] 839 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,468 Downtown Los Angeles, little ocean haze. 840 00:43:16,678 --> 00:43:20,138 There is no smog today, everybody's takin' it easy. 841 00:43:20,348 --> 00:43:23,767 Here at the 75th Rose Bowl game, score 7-3. 842 00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,813 1989, Trojans were in the Rose Bowl. 843 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,649 I was privileged enough to-- to have sideline passes 844 00:43:30,984 --> 00:43:34,111 and that was actually the first time I'd ever been to a Rose Bowl game 845 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,446 on the sidelines, 'cause when I was a walk-on at USC, 846 00:43:36,656 --> 00:43:37,364 I never got to play. 847 00:43:37,574 --> 00:43:39,449 [ Crowd cheering ] 848 00:43:39,701 --> 00:43:42,119 I was just having the time of my life. 849 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:45,247 All of a sudden, one of O.J.'s really, really good friends 850 00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:47,040 came up and tapped me on the shoulder. 851 00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:51,003 He said, "Hey, man, uh, O.J. had a problem last night, you know, 852 00:43:51,713 --> 00:43:55,048 and, uh, he really needs to talk to you." 853 00:43:55,258 --> 00:43:56,633 [ Crowd cheers ] 854 00:43:56,843 --> 00:43:57,968 [ Referee whistle blows ] 855 00:43:58,177 --> 00:43:58,885 It's over. 856 00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:00,637 [ Crowd cheers ] 857 00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:06,101 When I called, he said, "Hey, man, I had a little riff. 858 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:07,686 Boys had to come out. 859 00:44:08,521 --> 00:44:10,147 Right now I feel like I'm a fugitive." 860 00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:13,442 And he explained to me that they had an argument, 861 00:44:14,193 --> 00:44:16,153 and she got real physical with him, 862 00:44:16,404 --> 00:44:19,031 and he had to defend himself and grab her and hold her-- 863 00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:21,533 The way he-- he told me the story, I'm thinkin', 864 00:44:21,743 --> 00:44:24,828 "Hey, man, no big deal. You know? Um, you didn't hit her. 865 00:44:25,038 --> 00:44:26,288 You know, you said she was aggressive, 866 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:27,956 and you were trying to stop her from-- 867 00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:31,752 from beating you up. Um, no big deal." 868 00:44:31,961 --> 00:44:35,005 And-- And when I got to work the next morning, it was a big deal. 869 00:44:39,886 --> 00:44:43,263 I got a call from downstairs, "Someone wants to talk to you," 870 00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:46,099 and there's Nicole in the lobby. 871 00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:48,060 "Hey, Nicole, what's up?" 872 00:44:48,269 --> 00:44:50,062 You know, she-- she goes, "Did you hear about what happened?" 873 00:44:50,271 --> 00:44:51,772 I said, "Yeah, I did hear what happened." 874 00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:54,274 And she told me it wasn't the first time. 875 00:44:56,027 --> 00:44:57,653 Showed me the pictures from the past... 876 00:44:57,987 --> 00:44:59,738 ...beatings, and I looked at those pictures 877 00:45:00,573 --> 00:45:02,908 and my heart just-- just, like, dropped. 878 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,370 I was like, "Man, this guy is a typical batterer." 879 00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:13,543 The '89 thing, the way I saw him act in Hawaii that Christmas 880 00:45:13,795 --> 00:45:14,920 convinced me that, um, 881 00:45:15,296 --> 00:45:17,756 boy, there was something really, really wrong. 882 00:45:20,551 --> 00:45:24,805 He freaked out about Nicole sitting their little son 883 00:45:25,139 --> 00:45:29,267 next to a homosexual in a restaurant they were at. 884 00:45:30,186 --> 00:45:31,353 I mean, he just freaked. 885 00:45:32,689 --> 00:45:35,023 And they fought all the way back. 886 00:45:35,608 --> 00:45:40,404 The next day I got a call that, uh, he freaked out on New Year's Eve, 887 00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:41,363 and he beat the hell out of her. 888 00:45:43,324 --> 00:45:46,076 Nicole knew that I used to teach domestic violence 889 00:45:46,494 --> 00:45:47,411 for the Los Angeles Police Department. 890 00:45:48,371 --> 00:45:49,788 And she asked me, 891 00:45:50,832 --> 00:45:52,040 "O.J.'s dad is gay. 892 00:45:52,959 --> 00:45:56,878 Do you think this is why he beats me?" 893 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,300 And I was like, "I-- I, you know, I don't know, 894 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:05,679 but a lot of that stuff has to do with their self-esteem." 895 00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:11,810 O.J. Simpson that night 896 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:15,063 definitely got preferential treatment. 897 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:20,235 Had that have been anybody else, you or me, we'd have gone to jail. 898 00:46:23,698 --> 00:46:24,948 I did place him under arrest. 899 00:46:25,742 --> 00:46:27,826 I tried my best, but couldn't get to him. 900 00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:31,329 But when you tell someone they're under arrest, 901 00:46:31,873 --> 00:46:33,373 they are under arrest. 902 00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:36,710 If he flees, then, he's a fleeing felon. 903 00:46:39,046 --> 00:46:43,633 But the unique thing about O.J. is it was O.J. 904 00:46:44,552 --> 00:46:48,180 Where can he go? Where can he hide? 905 00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:50,974 Where can he run to... 906 00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:54,102 on the face of this earth? 907 00:46:55,646 --> 00:46:57,439 Where can he go? 908 00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:07,449 [ Police dispatch chatter ] 909 00:47:11,913 --> 00:47:15,040 [ Police sirens ] 910 00:47:21,088 --> 00:47:22,881 [ Helicopter blades ] 911 00:47:41,609 --> 00:47:43,318 Now the story that might never have surfaced 912 00:47:43,528 --> 00:47:45,654 if someone hadn't picked up his home video camera. 913 00:47:47,949 --> 00:47:50,826 I can remember that moment like it was yesterday. 914 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,329 I was laying in my bed, and I called out to my wife. 915 00:47:54,539 --> 00:47:56,832 I said, "You gotta come see, you can't believe this." 916 00:47:58,543 --> 00:48:02,295 How will the police justify this one? 917 00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:05,924 How will they get out of this one? 918 00:48:07,468 --> 00:48:10,345 Police say the man, 25-year-old Rodney King, 919 00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:14,266 was involved in a high-speed chase, wanted as a parole violator. 920 00:48:15,268 --> 00:48:17,435 The police department says there will be no comment 921 00:48:17,645 --> 00:48:19,396 until its investigation is complete. 922 00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:21,898 As yet, no charges have been filed. 923 00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:27,696 This is what happens when you take away a tool 924 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:30,866 that would have ended this in 10 seconds. 925 00:48:33,411 --> 00:48:34,327 Choke hold. 926 00:48:39,375 --> 00:48:42,961 Look how this thing looks. You can't justify that. 927 00:48:47,216 --> 00:48:49,009 I was the captain at Watts at the time. 928 00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:50,260 Atten-hut. 929 00:48:50,511 --> 00:48:52,429 The next day, we had a training day. 930 00:48:52,972 --> 00:48:56,975 I remember standing in front of all of the troops, and I told them, 931 00:48:58,019 --> 00:49:02,147 "The LAPD will never be the same again." 932 00:49:04,984 --> 00:49:06,359 Oh, it was devastating, 933 00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:09,487 because there's gonna be a belief that if these guys do it, 934 00:49:09,697 --> 00:49:10,739 everybody else does it. 935 00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:13,366 Those guys driving down the street in the black-and-white do that. 936 00:49:13,784 --> 00:49:15,410 And that's just not the case. 937 00:49:16,329 --> 00:49:19,414 But that visual image, folks remember that, 938 00:49:19,665 --> 00:49:21,249 and they will take it to their grave. 939 00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:23,960 That home video showing a black motorist 940 00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:26,129 being beaten by a white Los Angeles policeman 941 00:49:26,339 --> 00:49:28,798 has triggered investigations now by the FBI, 942 00:49:29,008 --> 00:49:30,008 the district attorney there, 943 00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:31,635 and the police department itself. 944 00:49:31,886 --> 00:49:36,181 The media didn't give LAPD a break on this one. 945 00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:40,518 They showed that tape over and over and over. 946 00:49:40,853 --> 00:49:42,646 I mean, it wasn't just in Los Angeles. 947 00:49:42,855 --> 00:49:44,314 It was all over the world. 948 00:49:44,607 --> 00:49:47,484 [ French-language newscast ] 949 00:49:47,693 --> 00:49:49,569 I was embarrassed for Los Angeles. 950 00:49:51,739 --> 00:49:55,241 The real significance wasn't what you saw on the tape. 951 00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:57,911 That tape became exhibit one 952 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,082 for every mishandled abuse and excessive force incident 953 00:50:02,583 --> 00:50:04,417 that anyone had ever experienced. 954 00:50:04,627 --> 00:50:05,961 This is an aberration. 955 00:50:06,212 --> 00:50:08,046 This is something that should never have happened. 956 00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:11,091 We had in place all of the procedures 957 00:50:11,676 --> 00:50:13,301 that would keep it from happening. 958 00:50:13,886 --> 00:50:16,554 Those procedures fell down because of human error. 959 00:50:17,056 --> 00:50:18,890 And we will deal with that human error. 960 00:50:19,767 --> 00:50:23,436 I believe things like that do happen from time to time, 961 00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:24,980 but they are anomalies. 962 00:50:25,189 --> 00:50:27,649 That's not what happens all day, every day 963 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:29,818 in the thousands of contacts that occur. 964 00:50:30,528 --> 00:50:32,070 I don't believe it. I'll never believe it. 965 00:50:32,446 --> 00:50:35,448 Daryl Gates started out saying it was an aberration. 966 00:50:36,993 --> 00:50:41,162 And we say, "Darryl, don't you remember Eulia Love?" 967 00:50:41,372 --> 00:50:43,164 [ Cheering ] 968 00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:46,543 I think the thing that's most shocking about the King incident 969 00:50:46,752 --> 00:50:48,253 isn't even what happens to King. 970 00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:51,214 It's the fact that all those officers 971 00:50:51,424 --> 00:50:53,466 go back to their police divisions that night, 972 00:50:54,093 --> 00:50:56,761 none of them knowing that a video tape exists. 973 00:50:56,971 --> 00:50:58,471 They all file their reports 974 00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:01,933 and not one of 'em says, in any document, 975 00:51:02,435 --> 00:51:04,102 that they saw anything go wrong. 976 00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:08,106 That suggests to me a culture in which 977 00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:11,109 this wasn't perceived as something wrong. 978 00:51:12,945 --> 00:51:14,195 In Los Angeles today, 979 00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:17,157 four men were arrested, photographed, and fingerprinted. 980 00:51:17,366 --> 00:51:18,241 They were policemen, 981 00:51:18,534 --> 00:51:20,368 charged with assault with a deadly weapon 982 00:51:20,578 --> 00:51:22,495 in the beating of a black motorist. 983 00:51:22,705 --> 00:51:23,705 Named in the indictment: 984 00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:26,041 officers Laurence Powell, Ted Briseno 985 00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:27,083 and Timothy Wind 986 00:51:27,293 --> 00:51:29,919 and their supervising sergeant, Stacey Koon. 987 00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:33,631 The FBI will investigate whether the federal civil rights 988 00:51:33,841 --> 00:51:36,092 of the victim, Rodney King, have been violated. 989 00:51:37,053 --> 00:51:39,137 A story is not a story unless there's conflict. 990 00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:41,973 Do you really wanna say this is a felon 991 00:51:42,183 --> 00:51:44,017 speeding on the freeway under the influence 992 00:51:44,226 --> 00:51:46,019 of a hallucinogenic and/or alcohol, 993 00:51:46,395 --> 00:51:48,063 or do you wanna say he's a "motorist", 994 00:51:48,272 --> 00:51:50,482 and he was stopped by these racist cops? 995 00:51:50,691 --> 00:51:51,775 How do you know these cops are racist? 996 00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:54,110 They are not racist. 997 00:51:55,154 --> 00:51:57,906 The furor is only growing with the revelations 998 00:51:58,115 --> 00:52:01,159 of police communications over their in-car computer terminals. 999 00:52:01,494 --> 00:52:03,870 An earlier message from the Powell-Wind unit 1000 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,373 referred to a previous call as "`right out of Gorillas in the Mist." 1001 00:52:09,418 --> 00:52:11,169 Has there been times that we've been brutal, 1002 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:13,296 uh, used excessive force? 1003 00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:14,631 Absolutely. 1004 00:52:16,342 --> 00:52:19,844 The racist part is really tough to choke down for me. 1005 00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:23,306 During my 38 years there, I didn't see it. 1006 00:52:23,808 --> 00:52:27,018 Civil rights organizations say the Los Angeles police department 1007 00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:29,521 has a history of brutality and misconduct 1008 00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:31,564 that goes back a quarter of a century, 1009 00:52:32,191 --> 00:52:34,651 including one incident that sparked the Watts riots. 1010 00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:39,531 We want effective law-enforcement in the city of Los Angeles. 1011 00:52:39,865 --> 00:52:42,117 You take an oath to protect and serve, 1012 00:52:42,326 --> 00:52:43,701 but when you come to the black community, 1013 00:52:43,911 --> 00:52:45,829 all you do is abuse! 1014 00:52:46,455 --> 00:52:47,872 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! 1015 00:52:48,082 --> 00:52:52,418 You can only take so many shots publicly before your reputation 1016 00:52:52,628 --> 00:52:57,382 is so soiled that it can be manipulated over and over again. 1017 00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:02,303 That will always be included in the argument to demonstrate 1018 00:53:02,596 --> 00:53:06,808 how brutal and insensitive and racist the LAPD is. 1019 00:53:07,601 --> 00:53:09,853 It's like you can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. 1020 00:53:11,105 --> 00:53:14,858 We're outraged, we're disgusted, and let's close this one with, 1021 00:53:15,067 --> 00:53:20,238 No more! No more! No more! No more! No more! No more! 1022 00:53:42,595 --> 00:53:48,850 It comes to Latasha Harlins, coming to the counter 1023 00:53:49,435 --> 00:53:52,270 with what she was going to buy in one hand, 1024 00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,439 money in the other. 1025 00:53:57,860 --> 00:53:59,360 Altercation, 1026 00:54:03,949 --> 00:54:05,575 walks away, 1027 00:54:06,994 --> 00:54:10,038 is shot in the back of the head. 1028 00:54:14,168 --> 00:54:16,377 Latasha Harlins really hit home, 1029 00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:18,880 because my daughter was the same age as Latasha Harlins. 1030 00:54:22,593 --> 00:54:25,720 Rodney King didn't touch me as much as Latasha Harlins, 1031 00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:27,472 because this girl was killed. 1032 00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:33,144 She was a little teenage girl buying some orange juice. 1033 00:54:33,395 --> 00:54:34,270 Mm-mm. 1034 00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,316 That-- that could've been my child. 1035 00:54:38,943 --> 00:54:40,360 Up until Saturday morning, 1036 00:54:40,569 --> 00:54:43,571 Soon Ja Du was a Korean grocer in Los Angeles. 1037 00:54:43,948 --> 00:54:45,490 Now she's an alleged criminal, 1038 00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:48,243 facing a first-degree murder charge. 1039 00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:51,579 Well, at this time, she's looking at a maximum of 30 years to life. 1040 00:54:52,081 --> 00:54:54,874 According to witnesses and a security camera video tape, 1041 00:54:55,167 --> 00:54:57,293 Harlins never tried to steal the juice. 1042 00:54:57,711 --> 00:55:01,089 Instead, investigators say Du angrily confronted the girl 1043 00:55:01,382 --> 00:55:03,925 and then shot her with a .38 caliber handgun. 1044 00:55:04,176 --> 00:55:07,262 I hope and I know that justice will serve itself, 1045 00:55:07,471 --> 00:55:09,347 and she will get what she deserved. 1046 00:55:11,141 --> 00:55:15,478 Soon Ja Du had no respect for that young woman. 1047 00:55:16,647 --> 00:55:20,316 The way they beat Rodney King, okay? 1048 00:55:20,526 --> 00:55:22,527 Her shooting Latasha Harlins... 1049 00:55:22,736 --> 00:55:27,282 It's the same people, okay, that are being victimized. 1050 00:55:29,743 --> 00:55:33,621 The recommendation of the people was maximum state prison. 1051 00:55:33,956 --> 00:55:36,708 I think that the death of Latasha deserved that. 1052 00:55:37,293 --> 00:55:39,210 The court decided otherwise. 1053 00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:41,838 Mrs. Du is placed on formal probation 1054 00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:45,008 for five years on the following terms and conditions. 1055 00:55:45,217 --> 00:55:48,970 Mrs. Du is to perform 400 hours of community service. 1056 00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:50,930 Get the cameras off! 1057 00:55:52,558 --> 00:55:54,392 No cameras! Get the camera out of my face! 1058 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,769 The judge called for peace. She said-- 1059 00:55:56,979 --> 00:55:59,355 How can you have peace when--? When this is going on? 1060 00:56:00,065 --> 00:56:03,651 What? This woman killed a child. 1061 00:56:03,902 --> 00:56:06,404 She killed a child and not getting any jail time? 1062 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,366 I-- I-- I haven't gotten over that, really. 1063 00:56:10,576 --> 00:56:18,541 Wake up, Los Angeles! Wake up! Let not her blood be in vain! 1064 00:56:18,751 --> 00:56:21,586 Latasha was killed, our family was killed. 1065 00:56:21,795 --> 00:56:22,545 -Yeah! -That's right! 1066 00:56:22,755 --> 00:56:26,382 Racism is not the Korean killing her, racism is the courts system... 1067 00:56:26,592 --> 00:56:28,384 -That's right! -...that allows her to kill her. 1068 00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:30,511 Karlin must go! Karlin must go! 1069 00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:33,598 Chanting "Karlin must go", angry protesters 1070 00:56:33,807 --> 00:56:36,726 stormed through security checkpoints at the courthouse in Compton. 1071 00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:38,686 [ Overlapping angry yelling ] 1072 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,899 They are still outraged over Judge Joyce Karlin's decision 1073 00:56:43,108 --> 00:56:45,860 not to send Latasha Harlins' killer to jail. 1074 00:56:46,362 --> 00:56:49,447 They are willing to go to jail to get their point across. 1075 00:56:50,157 --> 00:56:52,575 In the community, you go to jail for selling crack 1076 00:56:52,785 --> 00:56:54,327 for 20 years, 20 and 30 years. 1077 00:56:54,536 --> 00:56:57,663 How you gonna kill somebody and get probation? 1078 00:56:58,749 --> 00:57:00,208 What kind of sense does that make? 1079 00:57:00,959 --> 00:57:02,543 What kind of justice is that? 1080 00:57:06,507 --> 00:57:08,091 39th and Dalton, 1081 00:57:11,095 --> 00:57:12,678 then Rodney King, 1082 00:57:13,722 --> 00:57:16,349 then Latasha Harlins. 1083 00:57:17,476 --> 00:57:21,145 Three defining issues in different ways, 1084 00:57:21,563 --> 00:57:23,606 but the tension in the environment 1085 00:57:23,816 --> 00:57:28,945 and the disrespect shown to Black life was the theme. 1086 00:57:34,827 --> 00:57:37,161 ESPN presents... 1087 00:57:39,498 --> 00:57:40,706 Sports Look 1088 00:57:41,917 --> 00:57:44,252 with the personalities and cover stories 1089 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:46,629 making news in the world of sport. 1090 00:57:47,798 --> 00:57:50,591 Now, here's your host, Roy Firestone. 1091 00:57:51,343 --> 00:57:53,845 When you live your life so publicly and, uh, 1092 00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:56,931 really almost with such ease, 1093 00:57:57,224 --> 00:57:59,892 uh, it's hard to believe that there could ever be any rocky time. 1094 00:58:00,185 --> 00:58:01,477 The reason I'm bringing that to light now 1095 00:58:01,687 --> 00:58:03,104 is not to dredge it up again, 1096 00:58:03,439 --> 00:58:05,982 but more or less talk about how things can get distorted 1097 00:58:06,233 --> 00:58:08,734 to such a point that you are portrayed as the bad guy. 1098 00:58:09,194 --> 00:58:11,028 Um, New Year's Eve, 1099 00:58:11,447 --> 00:58:12,780 you had a little bit too much to drink. 1100 00:58:13,157 --> 00:58:14,073 -There was some-- -Uh, you know, that's-- 1101 00:58:14,283 --> 00:58:15,158 You know, actually, 1102 00:58:15,367 --> 00:58:17,160 you know, my wife and I have been together for 12 years 1103 00:58:17,786 --> 00:58:19,370 and it really-- when I look at it, 1104 00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:20,913 it wasn't really that big of a fight, 1105 00:58:21,123 --> 00:58:23,958 it's just that because of, uh, it being New Year's Eve-- 1106 00:58:24,168 --> 00:58:25,126 Right. 1107 00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:26,043 --because it's three o'clock in the mornin', 1108 00:58:26,253 --> 00:58:27,420 just finished a big party, 1109 00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:30,756 uh, it got a little verb-- it-- it got a little loud. 1110 00:58:30,966 --> 00:58:31,674 [ Laughs ] 1111 00:58:31,884 --> 00:58:33,968 Here's-- here's my point, the point I'm making, Juice-- 1112 00:58:34,178 --> 00:58:34,886 Yeah. 1113 00:58:35,095 --> 00:58:36,429 --is that it got to such a point 1114 00:58:36,638 --> 00:58:39,849 that you were portrayed in the press for a while there like a wife beater. 1115 00:58:40,058 --> 00:58:41,601 Yeah, well, and that bothered me. 1116 00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:43,561 Obviously, it bothered my whole family. 1117 00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:45,771 I mean, uh, you know, the day after this was over, 1118 00:58:45,981 --> 00:58:46,939 you know, we looked at, say-- 1119 00:58:47,149 --> 00:58:48,024 you know, we had a fight, 1120 00:58:48,233 --> 00:58:49,275 we were both guilty. 1121 00:58:49,485 --> 00:58:52,028 No one was hurt, was no big deal, and we got on with our life. 1122 00:58:56,492 --> 00:59:00,077 I had always suspected that they had violent fights. 1123 00:59:01,497 --> 00:59:05,833 The day of my wedding I found out that Nicole and O.J. 1124 00:59:06,043 --> 00:59:06,959 were not going to be attending... 1125 00:59:08,629 --> 00:59:09,879 and he said it was because 1126 00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:14,050 Nicole was having very bad cramps from her period. 1127 00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:16,886 I thought it was a lie. 1128 00:59:19,473 --> 00:59:22,975 It was always Nicole's fault. I mean, even the '89 thing. 1129 00:59:23,477 --> 00:59:25,436 When I cornered him sitting on a golf cart, 1130 00:59:25,646 --> 00:59:26,938 I listened for nine holes, 1131 00:59:27,189 --> 00:59:29,607 everything that she did wrong to create what had happened. 1132 00:59:29,858 --> 00:59:32,527 "You think that she's bruised up, you should have seen my face," 1133 00:59:32,736 --> 00:59:35,446 you know, the-- the whole pity thing that he always went through. 1134 00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:40,451 I think anybody that knew them... it was over. 1135 00:59:41,161 --> 00:59:44,497 Then it was a matter of when would Nicole have the fortitude 1136 00:59:44,706 --> 00:59:47,083 to just completely walk away. 1137 00:59:51,046 --> 00:59:52,255 She said, "Ron, 1138 00:59:52,839 --> 00:59:55,258 if it wasn't for the kids, I'd be out of here." 1139 00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:58,177 And then I get a call from O.J. 1140 00:59:58,512 --> 01:00:00,388 He says, "You gotta help me here. 1141 01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:02,515 You-- you gotta help save this marriage. 1142 01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:06,310 You gotta talk to Nicole, tell her I'll never do it again." 1143 01:00:07,521 --> 01:00:10,731 I saw her start to soften, because by this time, 1144 01:00:10,941 --> 01:00:13,859 O.J. is just doing everything with the kids. 1145 01:00:14,361 --> 01:00:15,570 And they're just having a great time, 1146 01:00:15,779 --> 01:00:17,154 he's taking them here, he's taking them there. 1147 01:00:17,364 --> 01:00:18,531 She's looking at me goin', 1148 01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:23,119 "Hey, Ron, he's really changing. He's really changing." 1149 01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:29,709 When it turned toward the domestic violence, 1150 01:00:30,294 --> 01:00:33,045 that was one that nobody wanted to hear. 1151 01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:35,047 The police didn't wanna hear it, 1152 01:00:35,257 --> 01:00:37,174 most certainly Hertz didn't wanna hear it, 1153 01:00:37,676 --> 01:00:38,968 NBC didn't wanna hear it. 1154 01:00:39,219 --> 01:00:41,012 Nobody wanted to deal with that. 1155 01:00:41,221 --> 01:00:43,306 Back to you, Bob. [ Laughing ] 1156 01:00:46,143 --> 01:00:48,060 When we heard that, I thought that was it. 1157 01:00:48,270 --> 01:00:49,228 That's-- it's over. 1158 01:00:51,189 --> 01:00:54,942 You know who called me to tell me that it was a false arrest? 1159 01:00:55,944 --> 01:00:56,986 Nicole. 1160 01:00:59,031 --> 01:01:01,032 Nicole called me and said, 1161 01:01:01,241 --> 01:01:03,451 "Frank, it didn't happen that way." 1162 01:01:04,745 --> 01:01:08,205 They'd had a terrible argument, but he wasn't abusive. 1163 01:01:08,582 --> 01:01:10,249 They just overreacted. 1164 01:01:12,794 --> 01:01:15,379 I certainly understand how she got involved with him, 1165 01:01:15,756 --> 01:01:18,841 and I could understand how hard it would be to leave that. 1166 01:01:20,594 --> 01:01:21,844 There was a lot to leave. 1167 01:01:23,138 --> 01:01:26,140 Especially if it was to go back to your parents' house 1168 01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:29,018 in Laguna Beach and start over. 1169 01:01:30,854 --> 01:01:35,816 O.J. was the income producer for the family. 1170 01:01:36,777 --> 01:01:40,196 For not only just Nicole and O.J. 1171 01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:45,242 but for Nicole's father, and mother, sisters... 1172 01:01:45,911 --> 01:01:48,120 He was the-- the money man. 1173 01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:54,418 Nicole told me that she felt her family would side with O.J. 1174 01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,922 And that-- and that disturbed her a great deal. 1175 01:02:01,259 --> 01:02:03,469 Nicole was like the trophy to him. 1176 01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:05,429 You know, something that-- that he possessed, 1177 01:02:06,098 --> 01:02:07,765 that he wanted control of, you know? 1178 01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:10,351 And "You better do what I say," but, you know, 1179 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:11,686 "You better go along with this program." 1180 01:02:12,187 --> 01:02:14,897 I-- I totally believe he was concerned about his image. 1181 01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:17,191 What kind of public reaction did you get, 1182 01:02:17,401 --> 01:02:19,819 and what kind of corporate reaction did you get, Juice? 1183 01:02:20,028 --> 01:02:23,948 Surprisingly, so supportive it was unbelievable, you know? 1184 01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:25,074 So supportive, you know? 1185 01:02:25,283 --> 01:02:27,993 Uh, most of the people that I work with know us real well, 1186 01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:30,746 so they can see first-hand that there was, uh, you know, that, 1187 01:02:30,956 --> 01:02:32,415 hey, our relationship was as strong as-- 1188 01:02:32,624 --> 01:02:36,168 not only as it's ever been, but as strong as any body's I know. 1189 01:02:36,378 --> 01:02:38,379 So nobody dropped you from any contracts? 1190 01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:39,922 -No. No. No. -See, the one thing that-- 1191 01:02:40,132 --> 01:02:40,965 another thing people don't realize about O.J. 1192 01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:45,010 is he is extremely, uh, well-involved in the business community. 1193 01:02:45,220 --> 01:02:46,971 And he doesn't wanna do this, 'cause it's embarrassing to him, 1194 01:02:47,305 --> 01:02:49,098 but he is one of the owners of HoneyBaked Hams, 1195 01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:51,308 uh, Ramada Inns, a couple of Ramada Inns, 1196 01:02:51,518 --> 01:02:52,560 three Ramada Inns, 1197 01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:54,270 very involved, of course, with Hertz. 1198 01:02:54,604 --> 01:02:56,647 And when something like this happens, 1199 01:02:56,857 --> 01:02:57,690 it takes a toll, 1200 01:02:57,899 --> 01:02:59,775 it takes a bite out of it, but, you know, 1201 01:02:59,985 --> 01:03:01,444 it boun-- you bounce back from something like this. 1202 01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:04,321 Once they really, really got back together, 1203 01:03:04,823 --> 01:03:06,365 you know, I mean, we were still friends, you know, 1204 01:03:06,575 --> 01:03:07,700 I still know the guy and everything, 1205 01:03:08,368 --> 01:03:09,618 but, you know, 1206 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,704 he kinda had that, uh, attitude, 1207 01:03:11,997 --> 01:03:14,206 "I'm back. I knew I'd be back." 1208 01:03:14,416 --> 01:03:17,251 You know, "Hey... Don't worry about it." 1209 01:03:17,461 --> 01:03:19,044 You know, "Everything's fine." 1210 01:03:21,047 --> 01:03:24,717 This is where O.J. Simpson performed community service 1211 01:03:25,135 --> 01:03:27,678 as part of his sentence for beating his wife, Nicole. 1212 01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:30,973 For part of his punishment, Simpson went golfing. 1213 01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:33,934 He spent his 120 hours of community service 1214 01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:35,853 organizing a celebrity tournament. 1215 01:03:36,521 --> 01:03:40,065 Prosecutors in the case say they wanted him to go to jail. 1216 01:03:44,946 --> 01:03:49,158 Can you imagine if every time he did something violent like that 1217 01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:51,786 that a report would've been made? 1218 01:03:52,746 --> 01:03:55,623 When I got to the station, I checked the computer, 1219 01:03:55,832 --> 01:04:00,628 there would have been eight previous domestic incident reports on file. 1220 01:04:01,671 --> 01:04:04,089 Then I would have put that in my report 1221 01:04:04,382 --> 01:04:07,051 and sent it on to the prosecutor, 1222 01:04:07,469 --> 01:04:10,763 that most likely that would have been filed as a felony. 1223 01:04:11,765 --> 01:04:16,060 Because it would have shown that a slap on the hand 1224 01:04:16,269 --> 01:04:19,188 is not going to cure this from happening again. 1225 01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:23,067 And that's why I hung onto the report. 1226 01:04:23,443 --> 01:04:25,653 I don't have a garage full of reports, 1227 01:04:26,112 --> 01:04:29,657 I have one report, one, 1228 01:04:30,116 --> 01:04:33,577 that was O.J. Simpson's report because I thought 1229 01:04:34,246 --> 01:04:38,833 that the case might be mishandled, and I needed proof 1230 01:04:39,042 --> 01:04:40,167 that it actually happened, 1231 01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:44,213 and I thought he was gonna kill her. 1232 01:04:55,725 --> 01:04:58,978 A controversial case involving four Los Angeles police officers 1233 01:04:59,187 --> 01:05:00,062 goes to court today. 1234 01:05:00,272 --> 01:05:01,438 The officers face charges 1235 01:05:01,648 --> 01:05:03,983 stemming from the videotaped beating of a motorist. 1236 01:05:04,192 --> 01:05:06,110 The case has already raised accusations 1237 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:08,487 of officially-sanctioned racism and brutality. 1238 01:05:09,364 --> 01:05:11,365 At issue is the use of force. 1239 01:05:11,825 --> 01:05:14,410 The question is whether their force was justified 1240 01:05:14,619 --> 01:05:16,787 by King's behavior before the camera rolled. 1241 01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:21,458 I don't think that that should have been prosecuted. 1242 01:05:22,335 --> 01:05:24,044 Those officers had about two seconds to make up 1243 01:05:24,254 --> 01:05:25,421 their mind to do something, 1244 01:05:25,672 --> 01:05:27,965 and they did what they thought was right at the time. 1245 01:05:28,341 --> 01:05:30,426 When is too much? When is not enough? 1246 01:05:31,553 --> 01:05:33,554 Should they go to trial? Definitely not. 1247 01:05:35,473 --> 01:05:38,100 On film, what you see was illegal. 1248 01:05:38,894 --> 01:05:40,477 There had to be a prosecution, 1249 01:05:40,687 --> 01:05:45,399 and if there isn't a legitimate reason for this, 1250 01:05:46,109 --> 01:05:48,193 there's jail time involved with this one. 1251 01:05:50,488 --> 01:05:52,907 I was fairly new to LA, so I'm thinkin', 1252 01:05:53,116 --> 01:05:57,578 "Hey, we got 'em-- we got 'em cold. This time we'll get justice." 1253 01:05:58,455 --> 01:06:01,624 And there were people who had lived in those communities a long time, 1254 01:06:01,833 --> 01:06:02,750 and they were saying, 1255 01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:06,003 "Well, you know, maybe. I hope so. 1256 01:06:06,671 --> 01:06:08,047 But it's not a done deal." 1257 01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:12,468 In a brand-new courthouse in a distant LA suburb 1258 01:06:12,677 --> 01:06:13,969 called Simi Valley, 1259 01:06:14,262 --> 01:06:16,847 the city's drama is putting a little town on the map. 1260 01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:18,974 The defense had the trial moved 1261 01:06:19,184 --> 01:06:21,560 from Los Angeles county to this bedroom suburb. 1262 01:06:21,937 --> 01:06:25,314 This area is notably more white and conservative than LA. 1263 01:06:27,442 --> 01:06:29,109 It was a horrible decision. 1264 01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:31,028 It was the worst possible decision. 1265 01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:34,782 And a lot of LAPD officers live in Simi Valley. 1266 01:06:36,952 --> 01:06:39,370 The idea is that you get a representative cross-section 1267 01:06:39,579 --> 01:06:41,830 of the community, that's what the sixth amendment talks about, 1268 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,084 and that people come in with different life experiences, 1269 01:06:45,335 --> 01:06:46,418 because you really do need 1270 01:06:46,628 --> 01:06:48,545 the people to come from different walks of life 1271 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:52,007 so that you get a complete understanding of the testimony. 1272 01:06:52,592 --> 01:06:54,885 Completely in fear for my life, scared to death 1273 01:06:55,095 --> 01:06:56,345 that if this guy got back up, 1274 01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:58,931 he was gonna take my gun away from me. 1275 01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:02,434 Cases involving charges against police officers 1276 01:07:02,644 --> 01:07:03,936 are rarely slam dunks. 1277 01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:05,938 Even when they're on videotape. 1278 01:07:06,356 --> 01:07:08,816 Do you believe that the actions of your officers 1279 01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:11,610 up to this point were having any effect on Mr. King? 1280 01:07:11,987 --> 01:07:15,364 None at all. This was a managed and controlled use of force. 1281 01:07:15,573 --> 01:07:17,032 It followed the policies and procedures 1282 01:07:17,242 --> 01:07:19,118 of Los Angeles Police Department and the training. 1283 01:07:19,744 --> 01:07:22,079 Now, as the defense presents its case, 1284 01:07:22,455 --> 01:07:24,873 civil rights lawyers like Johnnie Cochran worry 1285 01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:27,292 that convictions are far from certain, 1286 01:07:27,669 --> 01:07:30,004 because the prosecutors seem to lack experience 1287 01:07:30,213 --> 01:07:31,255 dealing with cops. 1288 01:07:31,673 --> 01:07:34,174 Somebody with some experience has to stand up and say, 1289 01:07:34,384 --> 01:07:35,884 "Look, you can't get away with this. 1290 01:07:36,094 --> 01:07:38,053 This isn't right, and we're not gonna let it happen." 1291 01:07:38,263 --> 01:07:40,389 The prosecution's strategy seems to be 1292 01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:43,308 to let the violence of the videotape speak for itself. 1293 01:07:43,977 --> 01:07:47,771 But nobody is certain anymore what that tape is saying to the jury. 1294 01:07:49,399 --> 01:07:52,609 I had been telling my people at Time Magazine, 1295 01:07:52,819 --> 01:07:54,028 "There's something going on. 1296 01:07:55,030 --> 01:07:56,321 We need to pay attention. 1297 01:07:57,532 --> 01:08:00,909 There's a story here beyond this trial." 1298 01:08:03,371 --> 01:08:06,123 I just sensed there was this unrest. 1299 01:08:22,932 --> 01:08:26,560 The day started like any other day, but it really wasn't. 1300 01:08:26,770 --> 01:08:29,104 We were waiting for the verdict to be handed down in the trial 1301 01:08:29,314 --> 01:08:31,231 of the four white police officers 1302 01:08:31,441 --> 01:08:33,609 that were charged with beating Rodney King. 1303 01:08:34,611 --> 01:08:35,903 Sergeant Koon, how are you feeling? 1304 01:08:36,988 --> 01:08:37,946 No comment. 1305 01:08:38,698 --> 01:08:40,115 I got up that morning and I said, 1306 01:08:40,325 --> 01:08:41,950 "I gotta go out there and see what's going on." 1307 01:08:42,327 --> 01:08:44,703 So I got on the freeway and started looking for Simi Valley. 1308 01:08:47,290 --> 01:08:49,166 It's a all-white town. 1309 01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:52,044 I only saw white people out there that day, 1310 01:08:53,213 --> 01:08:57,549 and they wasn't that kind to me when I was asking for direction. 1311 01:09:00,470 --> 01:09:02,304 I wanted to be there to witness it, 1312 01:09:03,348 --> 01:09:05,682 and I guess I thought that my being there 1313 01:09:05,892 --> 01:09:07,267 was gonna change something. 1314 01:09:07,727 --> 01:09:09,103 Title of accordant cause: 1315 01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:12,439 we the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1316 01:09:12,816 --> 01:09:13,899 find the defendant, 1317 01:09:14,109 --> 01:09:16,235 Laurence M. Powell not guilty of-- 1318 01:09:16,444 --> 01:09:18,237 [ Gasps, shocked reactions ] 1319 01:09:18,446 --> 01:09:19,530 [ Bleeped cursing ] 1320 01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:22,074 Man, you got to be kiddin'. 1321 01:09:22,408 --> 01:09:24,785 We the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1322 01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:27,371 find the defendant Theodore J. Briseno 1323 01:09:27,580 --> 01:09:29,706 not guilty of the crime of assault 1324 01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:32,876 by force likely to produce great bodily injury 1325 01:09:33,128 --> 01:09:34,294 with a deadly weapon. 1326 01:09:34,921 --> 01:09:39,049 This 29th day of April, 1992, signed by the court. 1327 01:09:39,467 --> 01:09:40,968 Title of accordant cause: 1328 01:09:41,594 --> 01:09:44,012 we the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1329 01:09:44,514 --> 01:09:46,557 find the defendant, Timothy E. Wind, 1330 01:09:46,766 --> 01:09:49,518 not guilty of the crime of assault by force 1331 01:09:49,727 --> 01:09:53,272 likely to produce great bodily injury with a deadly weapon. 1332 01:09:53,898 --> 01:09:56,066 I was sitting in the bureau the day of the verdict, 1333 01:09:56,401 --> 01:09:58,527 with all of my white colleagues and friends. 1334 01:09:59,154 --> 01:09:59,987 We the jury-- 1335 01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:02,072 And every time they said, "Not guilty"... 1336 01:10:02,365 --> 01:10:05,075 --the defendant, Stacey C. Koon, not guilty-- 1337 01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:09,454 ...what I heard was, "Fuck niggers. Not guilty. Fuck niggers." 1338 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,293 No justice! No peace! No justice! No peace! 1339 01:10:14,502 --> 01:10:17,045 I was at Parker Center when the acquittals were announced. 1340 01:10:17,755 --> 01:10:20,632 And I recall some high-fives and some fist-pumping in the air, 1341 01:10:20,842 --> 01:10:22,426 and, I mean, there were clearly some people who felt 1342 01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:26,263 that the public misunderstood them, that the media misunderstood them, 1343 01:10:26,472 --> 01:10:27,681 and that the jury got it right. 1344 01:10:27,891 --> 01:10:30,142 Well, first, all your reaction to what has happened. 1345 01:10:31,311 --> 01:10:33,061 Very happy. [ Chuckles ] 1346 01:10:33,271 --> 01:10:34,688 [ Angry shouting ] 1347 01:10:38,651 --> 01:10:42,654 I'm glad the LAPD are out there protecting me-- 1348 01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:47,034 I wanted to believe that the system would work 1349 01:10:47,285 --> 01:10:48,660 for black people in general, 1350 01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:50,787 even though I knew often it doesn't, 1351 01:10:51,122 --> 01:10:53,540 but this time, it should work. And it didn't. 1352 01:10:54,167 --> 01:10:55,167 And all I felt like, 1353 01:10:55,376 --> 01:10:57,085 I just wanted to smack somebody white. 1354 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,047 You're guilty! 1355 01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,174 Your skin color determines what degree of justice 1356 01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:03,217 you have these days. 1357 01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:08,513 I don't think the community's gonna take this lying down. 1358 01:11:09,557 --> 01:11:11,892 I don't think this is gonna be good. 1359 01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,519 No justice in America, not for the blacks! 1360 01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:18,315 The justice is for the other man, not for the brother man! 1361 01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,404 Pastor, your reaction after that first verdict was read? 1362 01:11:24,656 --> 01:11:29,409 Our reaction was almost universal, utter pain. 1363 01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:32,454 Justice! Justice! 1364 01:11:32,956 --> 01:11:36,583 Rodney King did not have a choirboy's record, 1365 01:11:37,126 --> 01:11:39,503 but Rodney King had the flesh and blood 1366 01:11:39,754 --> 01:11:42,422 of decency and humanity in his heart. 1367 01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:46,927 What they were beating is every Black person in America. 1368 01:11:47,804 --> 01:11:49,263 Don't lay down for this shit! 1369 01:11:49,472 --> 01:11:52,808 We had an understanding that the night of the verdict 1370 01:11:53,351 --> 01:11:55,894 we would assemble at First AME Church. 1371 01:11:57,230 --> 01:11:59,856 We'd been meeting with the mayor to get ready. 1372 01:12:00,066 --> 01:12:00,857 I said Beverly Hills, 1373 01:12:01,067 --> 01:12:02,651 'cause this is some fucked-up shit that happened, man. 1374 01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:03,735 -This is history... -We're going to Westwood... 1375 01:12:03,945 --> 01:12:06,697 Brentwood, Whitewood. All that. 1376 01:12:06,906 --> 01:12:10,701 We were gonna send out groups of young men 1377 01:12:10,952 --> 01:12:15,247 to walk the streets and keep everything in order. 1378 01:12:15,456 --> 01:12:17,249 [ Police sirens ] 1379 01:12:21,462 --> 01:12:25,632 I had spent weeks talking to Black clergy, gang members, 1380 01:12:25,842 --> 01:12:30,387 and they were very upfront about what they believed would happen. 1381 01:12:31,639 --> 01:12:33,056 "Yeah, there's gonna be violence." 1382 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,312 So we had everything prepared. We had the copter fully fueled. 1383 01:12:39,105 --> 01:12:40,147 It seems like the only people 1384 01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:41,940 that didn't know that there would be a riot 1385 01:12:42,191 --> 01:12:43,942 was the news media and the LAPD. 1386 01:12:45,653 --> 01:12:49,823 You're looking at a live picture here at Normandie and Florence. 1387 01:12:50,033 --> 01:12:52,451 There has been a mini-riot at this location. 1388 01:12:52,744 --> 01:12:54,786 There's now been a tactical alert. 1389 01:12:54,996 --> 01:12:59,791 Officers have been ordered to stay out of this general area. 1390 01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:02,461 We're gonna try to get you more information on that. 1391 01:13:04,464 --> 01:13:05,797 Even before the verdict, 1392 01:13:06,007 --> 01:13:08,550 Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates was criticized 1393 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,510 for preparing for unrest in the event 1394 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,220 four of his officers were acquitted. 1395 01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:13,972 But when the rioting began, 1396 01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:16,683 where were the police and firefighters? 1397 01:13:16,893 --> 01:13:18,685 [ Angry shouting ] 1398 01:13:23,316 --> 01:13:26,026 My most striking memory is of members of the police commission 1399 01:13:26,235 --> 01:13:27,527 desperately trying to find Gates. 1400 01:13:27,779 --> 01:13:29,946 Which is just shocking, if you think about it in retrospect, 1401 01:13:30,156 --> 01:13:31,073 that the verdicts in the Rodney King case 1402 01:13:31,282 --> 01:13:32,866 were coming down and the chief was not at Parker Center. 1403 01:13:33,117 --> 01:13:35,786 Gates had driven to this house in ritzy Brentwood 1404 01:13:35,995 --> 01:13:38,789 to campaign against a police reform initiative. 1405 01:13:39,582 --> 01:13:42,542 Fighting police reform, that's what he was doing. 1406 01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:46,380 He abandoned his post 1407 01:13:46,964 --> 01:13:50,717 and left his troops in a shameful state. 1408 01:13:51,094 --> 01:13:52,469 [ Angry shouting ] 1409 01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:57,349 The LAPD response was tepid. 1410 01:14:00,478 --> 01:14:02,938 All of the media gets on the police department, 1411 01:14:03,481 --> 01:14:04,398 the people are screaming, 1412 01:14:04,607 --> 01:14:06,233 "We have an occupying force." 1413 01:14:06,567 --> 01:14:08,610 Well, gee, we don't wanna look like an occupying force, 1414 01:14:08,820 --> 01:14:10,445 so maybe we'll just sit here until it blows over. 1415 01:14:10,655 --> 01:14:12,114 That type of crap goes on. 1416 01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:15,033 And we were furious. 1417 01:14:22,542 --> 01:14:24,751 -Fuck the police! -Fuck 'em! Fuck 'em! 1418 01:14:28,589 --> 01:14:30,674 Chaos at this particular location. 1419 01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:35,762 To see the very start of the violence was very troubling. 1420 01:14:36,639 --> 01:14:39,599 What made it really troubling was there was no police presence. 1421 01:14:39,934 --> 01:14:41,685 There's a van coming under attack. 1422 01:14:42,228 --> 01:14:43,895 They're pulling the driver out of the van, 1423 01:14:44,105 --> 01:14:46,314 and they're kicking the driver and beating the driver. 1424 01:14:46,566 --> 01:14:48,483 We captured what essentially became 1425 01:14:48,693 --> 01:14:51,695 the bookend to the Rodney King beating. 1426 01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:54,114 There's another driver, badly beaten. 1427 01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:55,991 In the case of Reginald Denny, 1428 01:14:56,242 --> 01:14:59,202 we had black gang members beating a white man. 1429 01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:01,788 Oh, look at that. Terrible. 1430 01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:04,374 And there's no police presence down here. 1431 01:15:04,584 --> 01:15:05,709 They will not enter the area. 1432 01:15:07,462 --> 01:15:10,088 That was the most disgusting thing I've seen in my entire career. 1433 01:15:10,715 --> 01:15:13,425 Two blocks away we had a platoon of metro division. 1434 01:15:13,634 --> 01:15:15,385 We could have cleared that intersection in a minute. 1435 01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:16,970 But the commander there 1436 01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:19,514 didn't wanna release 'em to do it, because of imagery. 1437 01:15:19,724 --> 01:15:20,849 We're on live television. 1438 01:15:21,225 --> 01:15:23,226 We're seeing a dark day here in Los Angeles. 1439 01:15:23,728 --> 01:15:25,645 The LAPD is nowhere to be found. 1440 01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:27,522 So we're sitting there in our uniforms 1441 01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:30,150 watching this poor truck driver get his head beat in. 1442 01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:31,735 Nobody's doing a damn thing about it. 1443 01:15:31,986 --> 01:15:32,986 We're screamin'. 1444 01:15:33,821 --> 01:15:35,322 Nobody would even move on it. 1445 01:15:43,623 --> 01:15:44,706 How are you this evening? 1446 01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:47,083 -Angry. -Angry? 1447 01:15:49,128 --> 01:15:51,630 The jury is trying to tell us we didn't see what we saw. 1448 01:15:51,881 --> 01:15:53,548 [ Cheers, applause ] 1449 01:15:53,758 --> 01:15:57,219 We've been the victims of police brutality in this town 1450 01:15:57,428 --> 01:15:58,595 for too long! 1451 01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:00,639 [ Cheers, applause ] 1452 01:16:04,018 --> 01:16:05,352 We didn't come here tonight to mourn. 1453 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,687 We came here tonight to say who we are. 1454 01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:08,688 [ Cheers, applause ] 1455 01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:11,024 And we ain't gonna take this business lying down. 1456 01:16:11,317 --> 01:16:12,359 [ Cheers, applause ] 1457 01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:13,985 And we ain't gonna tear up our community 1458 01:16:14,195 --> 01:16:15,195 to be proving their point. 1459 01:16:15,488 --> 01:16:17,072 [ Cheers, applause ] 1460 01:16:17,573 --> 01:16:20,825 Mark Brown, Channel Seven waved at the monitor and said, 1461 01:16:21,035 --> 01:16:24,829 "The city's on fire. It's on fire." 1462 01:16:25,706 --> 01:16:27,874 And I looked at him and said, "My God." 1463 01:16:28,125 --> 01:16:30,252 I had no idea it was right across the street. 1464 01:16:30,461 --> 01:16:31,378 Literally. 1465 01:16:31,921 --> 01:16:34,256 The gas station was on fire. 1466 01:16:41,472 --> 01:16:44,849 What I didn't anticipate personally and professionally 1467 01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:48,436 was the response of the community. 1468 01:16:51,649 --> 01:16:54,651 I went on the streets, and Western Avenue was in flames. 1469 01:16:56,737 --> 01:17:00,740 And this crowd is gathering, and the police have now come, 1470 01:17:01,867 --> 01:17:04,744 and there's one guy, and he's screaming his head off, 1471 01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:06,621 "Burn, baby, burn! 1472 01:17:06,831 --> 01:17:09,708 How you like me now, Mr. Policeman?" 1473 01:17:13,546 --> 01:17:15,797 And I felt his pain. 1474 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:21,970 I just didn't get it. 1475 01:17:22,263 --> 01:17:25,098 I just didn't understand burning down your own community. 1476 01:17:27,059 --> 01:17:28,351 I didn't get what it proved. 1477 01:17:33,816 --> 01:17:36,318 Here are people who feel like they have no stake, 1478 01:17:36,986 --> 01:17:38,737 nobody's paying any attention to them. 1479 01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:42,324 This is the only way we can get any attention. 1480 01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:44,075 [ Angry chanting ] 1481 01:17:48,623 --> 01:17:51,499 As it got darker, a crowd began to gather out 1482 01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:52,709 in front of the police department. 1483 01:17:55,129 --> 01:17:56,838 It got increasingly unruly. 1484 01:17:57,715 --> 01:17:59,299 Someone grabbed me and tore my shirt 1485 01:17:59,508 --> 01:18:00,675 and said something about, you know, 1486 01:18:00,885 --> 01:18:02,844 "You fucking newsmen. Why do you tell lies?" 1487 01:18:07,725 --> 01:18:11,770 It is the most physically-frightening situation that I've ever been part of. 1488 01:18:12,188 --> 01:18:13,688 [ Angry shouting ] 1489 01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:21,196 [ Helicopter blades ] 1490 01:18:22,406 --> 01:18:23,907 Guy pulls up, and he goes, 1491 01:18:24,116 --> 01:18:26,743 "Mike, whatever you do, don't go to the command post. 1492 01:18:27,161 --> 01:18:28,745 Go to the police station down the street. 1493 01:18:29,038 --> 01:18:31,081 Because it's very violent out there." 1494 01:18:31,957 --> 01:18:34,209 I looked at him, and I thought, "What a coward he is," 1495 01:18:35,294 --> 01:18:40,757 get in the car, make the first turn, and the car gets lit up by gunfire. 1496 01:18:41,258 --> 01:18:43,843 So I go, "Okay. Now I know what he's talking about." 1497 01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:45,929 So I took my .45 out, I put it on my lap, 1498 01:18:46,597 --> 01:18:48,890 I took a big gulp of Copenhagen, 1499 01:18:49,308 --> 01:18:51,810 stuck it down my mouth, turned off the lights 1500 01:18:52,019 --> 01:18:54,354 and drove as fast as I could to the command post. 1501 01:18:57,858 --> 01:19:02,737 Hindsight, the overall management could've been done much better, 1502 01:19:09,954 --> 01:19:15,166 but once it got away from us, we were cooked. 1503 01:19:20,589 --> 01:19:22,590 [ Helicopter blades ] 1504 01:19:46,657 --> 01:19:47,991 911 Emergency. 1505 01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,909 Yeah, can you send someone to my house? 1506 01:19:50,536 --> 01:19:51,578 What's the problem there? 1507 01:19:51,871 --> 01:19:53,705 Well, my ex-husband, or my husband, 1508 01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:55,290 just broke into my house, 1509 01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:56,791 and he's ranting and raving. 1510 01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:58,626 Now he's just walked out on the front yard. 1511 01:19:59,253 --> 01:20:00,837 Has he been drinking or anything? 1512 01:20:01,088 --> 01:20:02,589 No, but he's crazy. 1513 01:20:02,798 --> 01:20:03,923 Is he black, white, or Hispanic? 1514 01:20:04,508 --> 01:20:05,300 Black. 1515 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:06,801 What's he wearing right now? 1516 01:20:07,386 --> 01:20:09,304 Black pants and a golf shirt. 1517 01:20:09,889 --> 01:20:11,055 You said he hasn't been drinking? 1518 01:20:11,265 --> 01:20:12,015 -No. -Did he hit you? 1519 01:20:12,767 --> 01:20:13,475 No. 1520 01:20:13,684 --> 01:20:14,934 Do you have a restraining order against him? 1521 01:20:15,144 --> 01:20:15,894 No. 1522 01:20:16,187 --> 01:20:17,061 What's your name? 1523 01:20:17,563 --> 01:20:18,521 Nicole Simpson. 1524 01:20:18,731 --> 01:20:19,481 Your address? 1525 01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:22,275 325 Gretna Green Way. 1526 01:20:22,735 --> 01:20:23,902 Okay, we'll send police out. 1527 01:20:24,403 --> 01:20:25,361 -Thank you. -Uh-huh. 1528 01:20:28,449 --> 01:20:31,868 When Nicole first decided to leave O.J., 1529 01:20:32,745 --> 01:20:33,870 she came to me. 1530 01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,207 She said, "I wanna move out" and at that time, 1531 01:20:37,416 --> 01:20:38,792 I was doing real estate. 1532 01:20:39,543 --> 01:20:41,544 And then we had to sell O.J. on the idea. 1533 01:20:42,797 --> 01:20:45,048 He was obsessed with controlling Nicole. 1534 01:20:45,508 --> 01:20:47,801 I said, "Look, O.J., we'll get her a lease." 1535 01:20:48,010 --> 01:20:49,594 He goes, "Three months." 1536 01:20:49,804 --> 01:20:54,265 I said, "We'll get her a year lease. You know? It'll be right nearby. 1537 01:20:55,684 --> 01:20:58,853 You can go to therapy and see if you can work things out. 1538 01:20:59,063 --> 01:21:00,730 But she needs her space." 1539 01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:03,316 He really didn't wanna do it. 1540 01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:18,706 I think for the first time she felt free. 1541 01:21:19,959 --> 01:21:22,877 It was like she just came into that sense of self, 1542 01:21:23,087 --> 01:21:26,297 that she was really ready to do life for her and her kids. 1543 01:21:29,134 --> 01:21:31,094 She responded great to being divorced. 1544 01:21:32,263 --> 01:21:34,764 She was really enjoying her life, 1545 01:21:34,974 --> 01:21:37,976 going out and not being Mrs. Simpson, 1546 01:21:38,769 --> 01:21:39,978 being Nicole Brown. 1547 01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:43,106 She wanted to pursue her photography career, 1548 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:46,943 and she wanted to have a normal life again. 1549 01:21:52,074 --> 01:21:53,157 It was a beautiful day, 1550 01:21:53,367 --> 01:21:55,243 and we skied down to the bottom of the mountain. 1551 01:21:55,828 --> 01:21:58,663 And everybody's gathering on the deck, having a great time. 1552 01:21:59,081 --> 01:22:01,291 I looked across the deck, and I said, "Wow." 1553 01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:03,334 I said that, "That is absolutely the most stunning woman 1554 01:22:03,544 --> 01:22:04,294 I've ever seen in my life. 1555 01:22:04,503 --> 01:22:06,462 I have to find a way to introduce myself to her." 1556 01:22:06,672 --> 01:22:07,463 So I did. 1557 01:22:08,924 --> 01:22:10,550 When I got back to LA several months later, 1558 01:22:10,843 --> 01:22:12,093 we spent more time together. 1559 01:22:12,595 --> 01:22:14,512 Her and friends came by Mezzaluna one night, 1560 01:22:15,139 --> 01:22:17,724 and we're having a good time, and, all of a sudden, 1561 01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:19,684 I see the Bentley come screeching up 1562 01:22:19,894 --> 01:22:20,894 to the front of the door. 1563 01:22:21,896 --> 01:22:23,813 He comes in, walks straight over to our table, 1564 01:22:24,106 --> 01:22:25,315 slams his hands down, 1565 01:22:25,524 --> 01:22:27,150 looks me straight in the eye and says, 1566 01:22:27,484 --> 01:22:29,569 "I'm O.J. Simpson, and she's still my wife." 1567 01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:32,572 I was sort of love-blind, 1568 01:22:32,781 --> 01:22:35,158 so I didn't get up, I didn't run, I didn't back down, 1569 01:22:35,367 --> 01:22:36,951 I just stood my ground from day one. 1570 01:22:37,786 --> 01:22:40,204 And that's when she started to open up to me. 1571 01:22:42,625 --> 01:22:46,127 She told me about years of abuse at his hands. 1572 01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:05,396 He would beat her and lock her in closets at hotels 1573 01:23:05,856 --> 01:23:07,523 because she asked where he was at 1574 01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:09,400 when he was out cheating on her. 1575 01:23:16,492 --> 01:23:19,786 She was told how to look, told how to wear her hair, 1576 01:23:19,995 --> 01:23:20,870 told how to dress, 1577 01:23:21,038 --> 01:23:22,497 told where to be, what time to be, 1578 01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:25,416 how to be, everything for O.J. Simpson. 1579 01:23:26,585 --> 01:23:29,921 Kind of a reverse slavery thing. Uh, very, very odd. 1580 01:23:30,255 --> 01:23:32,632 You know, "That's, uh, that's my property," 1581 01:23:32,841 --> 01:23:34,676 and he always said, "That's my booty." 1582 01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:37,887 The two sides of O.J., 1583 01:23:38,097 --> 01:23:39,847 the O.J. that everybody sees on TV-- 1584 01:23:40,057 --> 01:23:41,975 And when the Cowboys brought in their big back, 1585 01:23:42,184 --> 01:23:45,019 that they didn't make good tackles on them, so the coach 1586 01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:47,063 was on their cases to make better tackles, 1587 01:23:47,272 --> 01:23:48,523 as my family throws snowballs at me. 1588 01:23:48,732 --> 01:23:49,565 Incidentally, uh-- 1589 01:23:49,775 --> 01:23:52,485 That's not the O.J. that there was behind closed doors, 1590 01:23:52,695 --> 01:23:54,570 certainly not with her, and she told me that. 1591 01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,408 "Don't ever be left alone with him, 1592 01:23:58,784 --> 01:24:00,243 'cause you don't know what he's capable of." 1593 01:24:02,705 --> 01:24:07,000 He had her followed, and he would plant people in our group 1594 01:24:07,251 --> 01:24:10,336 that would call him and tell him where we're going every night. 1595 01:24:11,547 --> 01:24:12,630 He would either show up 1596 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,967 or have a spy planted there at the club 1597 01:24:16,176 --> 01:24:17,677 so they could watch her every move. 1598 01:24:18,554 --> 01:24:22,557 He never relinquished control. He never would really let go. 1599 01:24:24,351 --> 01:24:26,894 He would tell me that Nicole tried to get him back, 1600 01:24:27,646 --> 01:24:30,898 that she was actually taking golf lessons at Riviera. 1601 01:24:31,316 --> 01:24:34,110 And he had a girlfriend, you know, Paula. 1602 01:24:34,653 --> 01:24:36,904 And he seemed enthralled with her. 1603 01:24:39,616 --> 01:24:42,744 O.J.'s personality had totally changed, 1604 01:24:42,953 --> 01:24:44,579 and I didn't think it was just the divorce. 1605 01:24:45,539 --> 01:24:47,582 Because his womanizing didn't change. 1606 01:24:48,375 --> 01:24:52,045 He was truly the most jealous person I ever met in my life. 1607 01:24:52,921 --> 01:24:55,590 He was as jealous as he was a good football player. 1608 01:24:58,385 --> 01:24:59,510 I saw the anger, 1609 01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,805 I saw the rage in his face on several occasions. 1610 01:25:03,098 --> 01:25:05,141 At me, in particular, and at her. 1611 01:25:08,771 --> 01:25:12,148 There was an incident where we went over to Roxbury, 1612 01:25:12,649 --> 01:25:14,067 a hot club at the time in LA, 1613 01:25:14,276 --> 01:25:16,486 and we get in, and she's dancing. 1614 01:25:17,529 --> 01:25:21,199 Maybe 20, 30 minutes go by, and I see her coming back towards me. 1615 01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:27,580 She goes, "O.J.'s here." And I go, "Ha. Great. Again." 1616 01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:29,791 You know, she goes, "Let's just get out of here." 1617 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,084 And I say, "I couldn't agree more." 1618 01:25:32,419 --> 01:25:34,670 So we drive back to her house on Gretna Green. 1619 01:25:37,216 --> 01:25:40,426 We go inside, and, uh, we became romantic. 1620 01:25:42,179 --> 01:25:45,139 We were off in a private area in one of the living rooms, 1621 01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:51,479 and the next day he came over and pushed in the back door, 1622 01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:53,022 confronted both of us, 1623 01:25:53,232 --> 01:25:54,816 and he wanted to talk to her alone. 1624 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,151 She was trembling, standing next to me, 1625 01:25:57,361 --> 01:25:58,653 holding my hand, shaking. 1626 01:25:58,987 --> 01:26:00,571 And she said, 1627 01:26:00,781 --> 01:26:03,116 "Keith, I think you need to leave me alone with him for a couple minutes." 1628 01:26:04,827 --> 01:26:06,244 I could hear him screaming at her, 1629 01:26:06,453 --> 01:26:08,329 I could hear him using disparaging terms 1630 01:26:08,539 --> 01:26:09,789 about her and me. 1631 01:26:10,666 --> 01:26:13,751 They walked out, and he was O.J. again. 1632 01:26:14,545 --> 01:26:15,837 Shook my hand. 1633 01:26:16,463 --> 01:26:18,047 "Sorry, dude. No hard feelings." 1634 01:26:18,257 --> 01:26:21,050 You know, "I'm a very proud man." 1635 01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:22,969 And he walked out the house. 1636 01:26:23,887 --> 01:26:28,641 And she turned to me, and she was white as a ghost, and she said, 1637 01:26:28,851 --> 01:26:31,227 "Oh, my God, Keith. He watched us." 1638 01:26:34,898 --> 01:26:37,358 And everything changed from that point on. 1639 01:26:38,944 --> 01:26:41,154 We realized we weren't safe anymore. 1640 01:26:41,905 --> 01:26:45,241 We realized that nothing was off limits. 1641 01:26:48,287 --> 01:26:53,082 I think she knew O.J. was always a presence. She hated it. 1642 01:26:53,959 --> 01:26:57,628 She couldn't even explore being single again and-- 1643 01:26:57,838 --> 01:26:59,213 and free and having fun, 1644 01:26:59,548 --> 01:27:03,634 because everybody was still being manipulated by O.J. 1645 01:27:07,598 --> 01:27:09,432 When he found out that she had been with Marcus, 1646 01:27:09,641 --> 01:27:12,268 that's-- that was a real issue. 1647 01:27:12,644 --> 01:27:14,187 It's a time you look the competition 1648 01:27:14,396 --> 01:27:15,354 right in the face and say, 1649 01:27:15,564 --> 01:27:17,273 -"Look, I'm better than you." -No, I'm better than you. 1650 01:27:17,649 --> 01:27:18,983 You may be younger, but you ain't better. 1651 01:27:19,193 --> 01:27:19,859 Yo, who started? 1652 01:27:20,068 --> 01:27:21,235 And don't be taking my number either. 1653 01:27:21,445 --> 01:27:22,445 Besides, I'm better lookin'. 1654 01:27:22,654 --> 01:27:24,155 I'm tired of you trying to be like me. 1655 01:27:24,364 --> 01:27:27,491 I remember going with O.J. to watch Marcus play at USC. 1656 01:27:31,413 --> 01:27:33,873 He was kinda like a mentor to Marcus. 1657 01:27:36,793 --> 01:27:39,503 They were extremely close. Extremely. 1658 01:27:39,755 --> 01:27:41,714 You know, Marcus got married at O.J.'s house. 1659 01:27:43,634 --> 01:27:46,135 I think she always festered a crush for Marcus. 1660 01:27:47,137 --> 01:27:49,472 And he was the only person in her life 1661 01:27:49,681 --> 01:27:52,850 that was as famous and as strong as O.J. 1662 01:27:54,353 --> 01:27:57,605 And so I think she felt in a way that she was safe with him. 1663 01:28:02,778 --> 01:28:04,904 O.J. said, "Marcus, we're 'SC guys. 1664 01:28:05,822 --> 01:28:08,199 We don't do that to each other. What the hell's wrong with you?" 1665 01:28:10,869 --> 01:28:13,162 He was a younger version of O.J. 1666 01:28:13,372 --> 01:28:16,749 He was almost like the newer, bigger, better version. 1667 01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:20,294 I had no-- no idea whatsoever, 1668 01:28:20,837 --> 01:28:23,881 uh, that they were carrying on some kind of affair. 1669 01:28:24,883 --> 01:28:26,092 I was a bit stunned. 1670 01:28:27,386 --> 01:28:30,638 Did you ever have a romantic relationship with Nicole? 1671 01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:32,932 No, I did not. 1672 01:28:33,267 --> 01:28:36,269 No kind of sexual or romantic involvement 1673 01:28:36,478 --> 01:28:37,436 did you ever have with her? 1674 01:28:37,646 --> 01:28:38,813 None whatsoever. 1675 01:28:39,982 --> 01:28:42,775 I really do not wanna talk about that at all. 1676 01:28:44,152 --> 01:28:46,195 Sometimes I'll try to sing, but I'm not gonna do it. 1677 01:28:46,405 --> 01:28:47,697 Tonight I got this tequila in me. 1678 01:28:48,407 --> 01:28:50,283 The girl I came here with said to me, 1679 01:28:50,867 --> 01:28:52,326 "Is this a blues place?" 1680 01:28:52,536 --> 01:28:54,161 I said, "Oh, no, no, no. This is rhythm and blues." 1681 01:28:54,371 --> 01:28:55,121 [ Laughs ] 1682 01:28:55,831 --> 01:28:57,415 Speaking of that lady I was talking about-- 1683 01:28:57,624 --> 01:28:58,332 There she is. 1684 01:28:58,542 --> 01:28:59,792 With another shot of this tequila. 1685 01:29:00,002 --> 01:29:01,168 Now, watch her-- Yeah, that's right. 1686 01:29:01,378 --> 01:29:02,169 Now, watch her sing. 1687 01:29:02,379 --> 01:29:03,796 I don't know if-- Oh, my God. 1688 01:29:04,006 --> 01:29:04,755 [ Laughs ] 1689 01:29:05,257 --> 01:29:06,132 That's right. 1690 01:29:06,883 --> 01:29:08,843 We're live right now all across America, 1691 01:29:09,052 --> 01:29:10,219 and she is my woman. 1692 01:29:10,429 --> 01:29:11,554 [ Laughs ] 1693 01:29:11,763 --> 01:29:12,763 I'm taking her tequila. 1694 01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:14,557 That's why I'm not singing tonight. 1695 01:29:16,018 --> 01:29:18,060 When they initially got back together, 1696 01:29:18,395 --> 01:29:20,021 I was the first person she told about it. 1697 01:29:21,023 --> 01:29:23,566 He had told her, "I'm changed. I'm a new man. 1698 01:29:24,026 --> 01:29:25,484 Let me prove this to ya." 1699 01:29:26,611 --> 01:29:30,448 She said, "We're gonna date first, and I'm not giving up my house, 1700 01:29:30,866 --> 01:29:32,408 and we're gonna see how it goes." 1701 01:29:32,993 --> 01:29:35,494 That was how they tried to reconcile. 1702 01:29:36,038 --> 01:29:39,832 She said all she really ever wanted was her family. 1703 01:29:42,836 --> 01:29:47,465 It's almost like she risked everything to have that unit back together. 1704 01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:55,598 911 Emergency. What is the--? 1705 01:29:55,807 --> 01:29:59,310 Can you get someone over here now, to 325 Gretna Green? 1706 01:29:59,519 --> 01:30:01,020 He's back. Please. 1707 01:30:01,271 --> 01:30:02,063 Okay. What does he look like? 1708 01:30:02,272 --> 01:30:04,690 He's O.J. Simpson. I think you know his record. 1709 01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:06,525 Could you just send somebody over here? 1710 01:30:06,735 --> 01:30:07,818 Okay. What is he doing there? 1711 01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:09,362 He's just-- All this again. 1712 01:30:09,571 --> 01:30:11,197 Could you just send somebody over? 1713 01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:12,448 Wait a minute. What kind of car is he...? 1714 01:30:12,657 --> 01:30:13,908 We were filming another Naked Gun movie, 1715 01:30:14,284 --> 01:30:17,078 and it was the first time I can remember him being 1716 01:30:17,329 --> 01:30:19,538 just in one of the foulest moods ever. 1717 01:30:20,749 --> 01:30:22,541 And he said, "It's just Nicole bullshit." 1718 01:30:22,751 --> 01:30:24,460 First of all, he broke the back door down 1719 01:30:24,669 --> 01:30:25,503 to get in before... 1720 01:30:25,712 --> 01:30:26,712 Okay. Wait a minute. What's your name? 1721 01:30:26,922 --> 01:30:27,963 Nicole Simpson. 1722 01:30:28,173 --> 01:30:30,633 Okay. Is he the sportscaster or whatever? 1723 01:30:30,884 --> 01:30:31,967 -Yeah. -Okay. 1724 01:30:32,177 --> 01:30:33,052 Thank you. 1725 01:30:33,261 --> 01:30:34,470 My ex-girlfriend approached him on the movie set 1726 01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:36,263 and said some very disparaging things 1727 01:30:36,473 --> 01:30:37,807 about Nicole and myself, 1728 01:30:38,475 --> 01:30:41,268 so I knew that O.J. was gonna take it out on Nicole. 1729 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:42,520 Wait a minute, we're sending police. 1730 01:30:42,729 --> 01:30:43,854 What is he doing? Is he threatening you? 1731 01:30:44,523 --> 01:30:46,232 I-- He's fucking going nuts. 1732 01:30:47,109 --> 01:30:49,735 You're gonna hear him in a minute. He's about to come in again. 1733 01:30:49,986 --> 01:30:50,945 Okay, just stay on the line-- 1734 01:30:51,154 --> 01:30:51,987 I don't wanna stay on the line. 1735 01:30:52,197 --> 01:30:53,239 He's gonna beat the shit out of me. 1736 01:30:53,448 --> 01:30:54,615 Wait a minute, would you? Just stay on the line, 1737 01:30:54,825 --> 01:30:57,118 so we can know what's going on 'til the police get there, okay? 1738 01:30:57,494 --> 01:30:58,285 [ Nicole sighs ] 1739 01:30:58,787 --> 01:31:01,622 It wasn't until years later that I actually sat down, 1740 01:31:01,832 --> 01:31:03,624 and I had even listened to the 911 call. 1741 01:31:04,209 --> 01:31:07,336 I knew different voices for Nicole, and she wasn't mad, 1742 01:31:08,004 --> 01:31:08,796 she definitely wasn't drunk. 1743 01:31:09,714 --> 01:31:10,714 She's terrified. 1744 01:31:10,924 --> 01:31:14,301 And that was heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking. 1745 01:31:14,553 --> 01:31:15,386 -Okay, Nicole. -Uh-huh? 1746 01:31:16,513 --> 01:31:17,930 Just a moment. Does he have any weapons? 1747 01:31:18,306 --> 01:31:19,098 I don't know. 1748 01:31:19,599 --> 01:31:20,433 Okay. 1749 01:31:20,642 --> 01:31:21,851 He went home, and now he's back. 1750 01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:25,396 The kids are up there sleeping, and I don't want anything to happen. 1751 01:31:25,605 --> 01:31:26,689 Okay, just a moment. 1752 01:31:28,108 --> 01:31:30,025 When you hear O.J.'s voice, what do you hear? 1753 01:31:32,028 --> 01:31:32,820 Rage. 1754 01:31:42,122 --> 01:31:43,456 Is he inside right now? 1755 01:31:43,665 --> 01:31:45,166 -Yes. Yes. -Okay, just a moment. 1756 01:31:51,006 --> 01:31:55,092 All units, a domestic violence at 325 Gretna Green Way-- 1757 01:31:55,343 --> 01:31:57,428 [ Indistinct shouting ] 1758 01:31:58,180 --> 01:32:00,014 O.J., the kids are sleeping. 1759 01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:12,026 Is he upset with something that you did? 1760 01:32:13,111 --> 01:32:16,447 Oh, a long time ago. It always comes back. 1761 01:32:18,783 --> 01:32:20,493 Has this happened before or no? 1762 01:32:20,702 --> 01:32:21,494 Many times. 1763 01:32:21,703 --> 01:32:22,453 Okay. 1764 01:32:26,541 --> 01:32:27,458 The police should be on the way. 1765 01:32:27,667 --> 01:32:28,626 It just seems like a long time 1766 01:32:28,835 --> 01:32:31,754 because it's kind of busy in that division right now. 1767 01:32:37,802 --> 01:32:41,972 When she left him for good, she called me, and she's like, 1768 01:32:42,182 --> 01:32:44,433 "Yep, this is it, Robin." 1769 01:32:45,185 --> 01:32:48,771 She said, "This is it. I'm done. I'm done." 1770 01:32:48,980 --> 01:32:51,148 She goes, "I don't even-- I have no feeling for him whatsoever anymore. 1771 01:32:51,358 --> 01:32:52,107 It's just over." 1772 01:32:53,276 --> 01:32:55,986 She was free, and she was happy without him, 1773 01:32:56,696 --> 01:33:00,533 and I think he knew it was really over. 1774 01:33:03,912 --> 01:33:06,497 The day she changed, it was like a light switch. 1775 01:33:07,082 --> 01:33:10,751 He spiraled, from that day on. Everything was different. 1776 01:33:11,461 --> 01:33:13,879 Who he was, that persona, everything was gone. 1777 01:33:15,006 --> 01:33:20,678 She wasn't chasing him anymore and it-- it spun him out. 1778 01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:25,391 We all believed that right toward the very end when, uh, 1779 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,351 they had split up, after Mother's Day, 1780 01:33:27,561 --> 01:33:29,270 that Nicole was not seeing Marcus again. 1781 01:33:29,604 --> 01:33:31,272 I absolutely believed that she was. 1782 01:33:32,107 --> 01:33:33,857 And O.J. told Nicole, 1783 01:33:34,067 --> 01:33:36,110 "You ever see Marcus again, I will kill you." 1784 01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:43,450 This was obviously "I'm-- I'm gonna get back at you, O.J. 1785 01:33:43,702 --> 01:33:45,869 I don't care what it takes, I'm gonna humiliate you." 1786 01:33:48,665 --> 01:33:50,124 If she did it, 1787 01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:53,627 it was more for her own personal rebellion, 1788 01:33:54,254 --> 01:33:56,589 it was more for her saying to herself, 1789 01:33:57,340 --> 01:34:00,718 "I'm gonna date who I want, I'm gonna go where I want, 1790 01:34:00,927 --> 01:34:04,513 I'm gonna be friends with who I want. I'm free. 1791 01:34:05,473 --> 01:34:08,517 You have lost me, O.J. Watch me run." 1792 01:34:11,605 --> 01:34:13,272 I think there was something about her 1793 01:34:13,481 --> 01:34:16,692 that was almost unattainable to him. 1794 01:34:18,653 --> 01:34:21,155 Something that he couldn't quite control. 1795 01:34:26,786 --> 01:34:29,913 And I think that that was part of the attraction. 1796 01:34:30,373 --> 01:34:34,960 And I think, in the final analysis, that's what got her killed.142943

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