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[Hind]
What people see on TV
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is that women who lived
under Islamic State
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are very submissive.
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They're housewives...
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[indistinct yelling]
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♪ dramatic music ♪
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This is crazy,
because these kids are saying
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that they are going
to bring back Islamic State.
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Islamic State will not stop.
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[distorted]
You basically just...
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made money
for doing nothing:
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um, a phone call
and some research online.
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These kids did what
with the money they stole?
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[man] They took
helicopter flights to dinner.
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They bought $5,000 watches.
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They rented mansions.
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We lost everything...
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everything we spent
decades building.
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♪♪♪
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♪ dramatic electronic music ♪
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♪♪♪
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[indistinct shouting]
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♪♪♪
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♪ dramatic music ♪
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♪♪♪
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[horn beeps]
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[gate clattering]
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♪♪♪
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[Hind] This is one of a number
of prisons in this area
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holding and overflowing with
ISIS suspects.
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speaking native language
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[Hind] There are rooms
all the way down the corridor.
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Each room can contain
over 150 men.
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We've seen people from Iraq,
Germany, Russia,
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and even the United States.
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It smells really bad,
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like a combination
of human sweat,
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feces, and urine.
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♪♪♪
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There are at least
5,000 prisoners here
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from up to 30 countries.
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Many are European citizens
whose governments
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don't want them back.
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- Were you a fighter?
- Yes, I was a fighter.
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- So you are a terrorist?
- Yeah, of course.
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[Hind] How would they know
that you're not gonna continue
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the fight for ISIS or continue
spreading the ideology?
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[Abdul] Because, number one,
I surrender myself.
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- I am finished with it.
- [Hind] You had no choice.
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No, it's not true.
I could fight till the end.
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Everybody know ISIS fighters,
they fight till the end.
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♪♪♪
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[Hind] Casper Hansen
is from Denmark
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and is one of the
highest-level detainees here.
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Prison guards say
he commanded ISIS fighters
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on the battlefield
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and was injured
in a targeted air strike.
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Do you know what they say
about you?
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[Casper] No.
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That you're an emir.
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- An emir?
- An Islamic State prince.
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Okay. [laughs]
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- Did you work?
- No, no.
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[Hind] And your wife,
did she work?
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[Casper] No, she was
in the house.
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[Hind] She didn't work.
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How important is
the woman's role?
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They must have done something
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beyond just staying
in the house,
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because I can't imagine--
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What are you imagining, then?
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That they had more of a role.
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Like what, being fighters?
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Maybe.
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No, they didn't
allow women to fight.
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I know that.
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There were some women,
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they was teaching
the religious methods.
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It's about raising
your children
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to learn the Islamic, uh, laws.
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Will Islamic State re-form?
Do you believe that it will?
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Islamic State will not stop.
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To be continued.
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[gunfire]
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[Hind]
It was a year ago that ISIS
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was on the verge
of defeat.
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The terror group that,
at its peak,
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controlled more than 34,000
square miles of Iraq and Syria
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was cornered in Baghuz,
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a tiny village
along the Euphrates River.
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Sixty thousand
fled the final battle.
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Men were hauled off
to prisons.
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Women and children
were loaded into trucks
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and transported
to refugee camps.
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[gun cocking]
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[man] speaking native language
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[Hind] Today the Islamic State
remains active.
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In Deir ez-Zor,
U.S. Special Forces
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are training Kurdish
and Arab militias
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to hunt down fighters
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hiding out in villages
across Syria.
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[gunfire]
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But a growing threat
is the ISIS women
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inside al-Hol,
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a massive refugee camp
near the Iraqi border.
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There's 65,000 residents here
from 45 different countries,
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half of them children,
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but they're not all ISIS.
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Many are victims themselves
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and are now forced
to live with women
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who security officials say
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are becoming more radical
by the day.
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We're with
the Kurdish intelligence
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inside al-Hol Camp.
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They're about to carry out
a raid targeting women
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who they believe are part
of an ISIS patrol
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which teaches, maintains,
and enforces
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the extremist ideology
in the camp.
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These operations are actually
incredibly dangerous
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because the women
that they're targeting
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are known to be
some of the most violent women
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inside this camp.
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[women]
speaking native language
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[Hind] Do you know why they
brought you in here?
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[Umm] speaking native language
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What we've been told is that
there are women like yourself
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inside the camp who are
enforcing ISIS' ideology
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on other women and on--
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speaking native language
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Do you regret coming here
to join the Islamic State?
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Do you want to live
under an Islamic State again?
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[Hind] With little evidence
against her,
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camp intelligence
released Umm Hamza
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just hours after this raid.
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These women say that they're
not doing anything;
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they're just sitting
inside their tents
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and raising their children
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and that these accusations
are false.
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How do you respond to that?
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speaking native language
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What happens
if there's no resolution
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for this problem?
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[Hind] There's just about 400
security personnel
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guarding this sprawling camp,
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and officials are outnumbered.
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One of the challenges
they face is finding out
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who's radical and who isn't.
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Leila Ouadi from France
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has been targeted by women
who patrol the camp
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and enforce strict ISIS laws
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against wearing makeup
and socializing with men.
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Have they attacked you
personally?
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speaking French
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Have you heard about them
doing it to other women?
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[Hind] Leila doesn't live
in the camp alone.
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She's stuck here
with her four children
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with little access
to medicine and food.
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And there may be no way out.
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France, like other
European governments,
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is making it nearly impossible
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for their citizens
to return home.
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What are you afraid of,
bringing them up in the camp?
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If they don't get out, what are
you afraid will happen to them?
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♪♪♪
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[Hind]
Do you take responsibility
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for the situation
that your children are in?
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[Hind] We've managed to get
access to a women's prison,
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and this is the first time
that they're going to allow
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journalists to go inside
and film.
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Some of the women
that are being held there
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are actually too dangerous
to be kept in the camps,
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and so instead
they've been transferred
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to this detention center.
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Here the women are placed
in individual cells
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and kept under
24-hour surveillance,
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some along with
their children.
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Prison guards selected
three foreign detainees
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for us to speak to.
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Do you know why you're here
in this prison?
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speaking native language
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[Hind] Can you talk me through
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how you ended up here?
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speaking English
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[Hind]
Do you know why you're here?
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speaking native language
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What was it like when you were
living in the Islamic State
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during the time just before
you entered the camp?
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How was it not like that?
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Was this a big change,
in your opinion,
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of ISIS and their ideology?
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You're accused
of trying to smuggle
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explosives into the camp.
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speaking French
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Yeah.
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speaking English
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That's stupid?
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The role of women is also
to teach the children
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the ideology of ISIS.
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Is that right?
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♪♪♪
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[Hind] Women passing on
the ideology to children
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is one of the most
urgent concerns
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for security officials.
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Eleven-year-old Malek
was held captive
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by an ISIS woman
inside al-Hol.
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She was rescued by
camp security just days ago
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and is now being cared for
by a foster family.
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♪♪♪
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She's Yezidi,
a religious minority
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that ISIS vowed to wipe out.
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[woman]
speaking native language
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[Hind] For six years, Malek
lived under the Islamic State.
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After her mother and sister
were killed in an air strike,
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she was taken in
by an ISIS woman
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who tried to erase her past.
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speaking native language
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speaking native language
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[chickens clucking]
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Okay.
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Gonna show us where she sleeps.
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No.
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Cu-cuckoo-koo!
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[Hind] She's been here now
for a couple of weeks,
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and she's clearly become
accustomed to living here.
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She's not
what I expected at all
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when they told me that
there was an 11-year-old girl
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who'd been living
with ISIS families
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and was in the camp
and was getting rescued.
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It's nice to see her acting
like any other 11-year-old.
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The next step for her is going
to meet her real family.
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[laughs]
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[Hind] Malek is fortunate.
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She's no longer
in the hands of ISIS.
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But for many of the children
still inside the camp,
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their future is uncertain.
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Here the ideology
is spreading fast,
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and security is carrying out
weekly raids
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to try and contain it.
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[women]
speaking native language
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[Hind] One of the ways
they do that
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is by gathering intelligence
from informants
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living inside al-Hol.
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That information
has led security officials
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to the far corner of the camp,
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where they suspect
is an ISIS school.
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So this woman coming out now
who they've handcuffed
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is apparently one
of the ISIS women
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teaching the children
extremist ISIS ideology.
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♪♪♪
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The camp security may be
fighting a losing battle.
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As they try and root out
the teachers,
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there's already a new
generation in the making.
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speaking native language
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♪♪♪
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♪ dark music ♪
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[Anonymous] There is no
one criteria for a target.
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I view it as, like,
a hunt, man.
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It's like a hunt.
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If you've ever been hunting,
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you understand
what it feels like
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to track down your target
and fucking kill it.
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I mean,
you basically just...
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made money
for doing nothing:
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um, a phone call
and some research online.
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♪♪♪
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[Robert] I had never heard
of a SIM swap before.
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I mean, these days
are really a challenge--
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every day.
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You know,
sometimes I-I wake up
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and it's hard
to get out of bed.
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So when it first happened,
October 26th,
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I didn't sleep that night.
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I was up with AT&T
the entire night.
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♪♪♪
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I mean, you know, I was--
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I mean, I was suicidal.
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What brings me down is worry,
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worry that I can't meet
the tuition for my daughter.
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Within, like, 20 minutes,
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a million dollars was stolen.
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I can't even believe I made
a million dollars,
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let alone lost
a million dollars.
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I mean...
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Quite a lot of victims
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were completely caught
by surprise.
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[Krishna]
Allison Nixon specializes
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in cybercrime
and risk intelligence.
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SIM swapping is a technique
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where criminals basically
steal your phone number,
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and all of the text messages
and calls and information
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intended for your phone
now go to their phone.
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And why is that important?
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Well, it's important because
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your entire
online identity nowadays
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rests on your phone number.
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Your phone number is tied
to your physical phone
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via this, a SIM card,
a little microchip
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with a unique ID that your
telephone company has on file.
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To do a SIM swap, a hacker
gets a cell phone employee
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to switch the SIM card number
that's linked to your phone
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to a phone they have.
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[Allison]
They can do anything
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with your phone number
that you would do,
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so imagine you forgot
your password legitimately
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and you need to get back
into your bank account.
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Banks, web mail providers,
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they have
an account recovery process
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for customers that forget
their passwords.
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Since they have
my phone number,
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they can get into my email.
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Most web mail
providers nowadays
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either require
or strongly encourage
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that you hand over
your phone number.
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I-I have little to no
technical expertise.
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I'm hacking people,
not computers.
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It takes a certain type
of person,
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but it's not a genius.
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You don't have to be
outstandingly intelligent.
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You just have to know
how to do it
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and have the will to do it.
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[Robert]
It's not like a regular hack.
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Unsophisticated kids
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can do devastating damage.
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♪ upbeat dance music ♪
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Nick Truglia is a 21-year-old.
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He stole a million dollars
from me.
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[Krishna] What's, like,
the spending habits
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of these SIM swappers?
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What we were seeing
was basically
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the infinite-money fantasy
of every 21-year-old.
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They would go to the club,
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waste tons of money,
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show it off on social media.
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[Anonymous]
Some of the stupid ways
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I can think
we've spent our money:
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took a helicopter
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from Queens to Manhattan
to get to dinner
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just because we felt like it.
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[Allison] They would all
stand in a circle
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with their
really expensive Rolexes
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and dump this champagne
onto their Rolexes
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onto the floor.
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[Anonymous]
I probably spent, like,
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$1/4 million on champagne.
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[Krishna]
So how much are you worth?
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Um, I won't say
an exact amount,
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but it's, uh,
under $90 million USD
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and over $40 million,
all in Bitcoin.
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♪♪♪
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[Krishna] For hackers
on the hunt for a big payday,
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SIM swapping turns robbery
into child's play.
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[Anonymous] So it all
really started out
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with a bunch of kids
playing Call of Duty
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around, ooh,
I want to say 2013.
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People started wanting
these things called
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OG accounts on PlayStation.
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So imagine you're a kid
playing a video game
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and someone shows up
in your game
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and their username
is just Hacker.
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Like, no numbers after it,
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nothing,
just the word "hacker."
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It's just sort of like
a-a status thing.
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So we would call up
PlayStation Network.
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We'd have their name, address,
and all their personal info,
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and we would try to get-get
their accounts.
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[Krishna] And once you had
that OG username,
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you could sell it
to someone else
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through an online marketplace.
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[Allison] The big sellers
on these username markets
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have realized
that the only feasible way
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to get good stock to sell
is to steal accounts.
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At some point,
somebody realized
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that video games
and social media
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are really only worth so much
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and if they want
to make more money,
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they really need to start
targeting cryptocurrency,
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where they can make hundreds
of millions of dollars.
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[Krishna] Cryptocurrencies
are virtual gold mines.
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Sure, OG usernames could net
a few thousand dollars,
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but digital wallets
of Bitcoin and Ethereum
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could be swiped
just as easily.
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[Anonymous] So there was
this one time me and my buddy
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were scrambling
before this guy, like,
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tries to get his account back,
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before he gets
his cell phone number back,
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and, uh, my partner
obviously just made, like,
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roughly $10 million
to $15 million.
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He says, "Oh, yeah,
I gotta go."
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I said, "Why?"
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He says, "Oh, I gotta do
my fucking homework."
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I thought-I thought
it was really funny.
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♪ eerie music ♪
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[Samy] Last year, we didn't
even know what it was,
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and 98 percent of cops
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would have no idea,
if a victim came to them,
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what happened
and how to investigate it.
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[Krishna] Since 2015,
it's estimated
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that hundreds of millions
of dollars
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have been stolen
by SIM swapping,
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00:22:15,025 --> 00:22:16,567
but only a handful
of SIM swappers
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have ever been caught.
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[John] I would say the
majority of cases we go into,
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it's kids living
with their parents.
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And so a lot of times,
we will run into a mom who
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thinks all their son
is doing is gaming
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or just happens to be
very brilliant
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at Bitcoin investment
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and that's the reason
he bought her
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a brand-new Toyota
or something like that.
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[Krishna] In November 2018,
they caught Nick Truglia,
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the young man
accused of stealing
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over a million dollars
from Rob Ross.
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Truglia did have
a social media presence,
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with him flying
on private jets
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and showing fancy clothing
and fancy watches.
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He definitely was portraying
himself as a rich guy
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and, like,
a self-made millionaire,
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possibly, like, through, like,
investment banking.
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But we came to find out
that everything
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he posted online about himself
was just a lie.
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[Krishna] The criminal case
of alleged SIM swapper
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Nick Truglia
is still ongoing.
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[man] The court is going
to deny the motion
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to reset bail.
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[Krishna] He maintains
his innocence
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and is currently
awaiting trial.
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♪♪♪
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But careful SIM swappers
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are usually harder
to pin down.
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00:23:23,067 --> 00:23:25,192
Richard Sanders
cofounded CipherBlade,
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00:23:25,275 --> 00:23:27,192
a blockchain investigation
agency that,
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00:23:27,275 --> 00:23:29,693
among other things,
uses SIM swappers'
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social engineering tactics--
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pretending to be
someone they're not--
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00:23:33,401 --> 00:23:35,234
to take them down.
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[Richard] This is a flow
of transactions
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00:23:37,943 --> 00:23:41,526
from an influencer
that experienced a hack.
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00:23:41,609 --> 00:23:43,275
This was a team
of three to four folks.
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They split up the money,
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00:23:44,943 --> 00:23:46,359
and they sent it to different
wallets from there.
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00:23:46,442 --> 00:23:47,859
♪♪♪
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00:23:47,943 --> 00:23:51,025
So I pretended to be
a very, very attractive
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19-year-old female video gamer
named Alyssa.
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00:23:53,651 --> 00:23:55,025
I joined their Discord server
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00:23:55,109 --> 00:23:57,025
and just started chatting
with these folks.
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00:23:57,109 --> 00:23:58,609
They're sliding into my DMs.
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00:23:58,693 --> 00:24:01,401
They're telling me pretty much
anything I wanted to know.
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Showing off their money.
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00:24:02,984 --> 00:24:04,359
I would ask, "How are you
making that money?"
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They'd talk
about SIM swapping.
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00:24:06,275 --> 00:24:07,734
Yeah, a bunch of them
are talking to me,
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00:24:07,818 --> 00:24:09,567
but one of them sent me
quite a few different selfies.
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There's DMs he sent me
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where he admits
to what he did.
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And sure enough, he sends me
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00:24:15,734 --> 00:24:18,401
this picture.
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Joel Ortiz.
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♪ tense music ♪
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[Krishna] In May 2019,
a group of hackers targeted
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more than 50 victims,
stealing over $35 million.
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Ortiz was one of them--
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brazen, prolific, and now
accountable for ten felonies.
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Rob Ross attended
a public hearing
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where his accusers
were allowed
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to make victim statements.
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[Robert] I think all SIM swap
victims who have lost money
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are watching
this Joel Ortiz trial
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00:24:48,859 --> 00:24:51,275
and certainly the SIM swappers
are watching it
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00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,984
to see how much time he will
end up having to serve.
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00:24:57,025 --> 00:25:00,484
In my case, Ortiz stole control
of my phone service twice
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to take over all of my email
and financial accounts,
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00:25:03,693 --> 00:25:06,359
ultimately stealing
my entire life savings,
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approximately $1.8 million.
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[Ann Marie]
We lost everything.
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I'm 50 years old
with two small children,
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00:25:16,150 --> 00:25:18,818
and I ha--I'm facing
no retirement...
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00:25:18,901 --> 00:25:22,943
♪♪♪
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...because Joel Ortiz,
in one day,
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destroyed our lives,
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everything we spent
decades building.
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♪♪♪
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[Krishna] Ortiz pleaded
no contest to the charges
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and, in accordance
with his plea deal,
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was sentenced to ten years
in prison.
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But prosecutors have failed
to get him to reveal
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the location of Bitcoin
they suspect he's hidden.
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[man] Given that he stole
at least $7 million
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that we know about,
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00:25:53,317 --> 00:25:55,275
we believe that he has
significantly more
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than $2 million
that he refuses to return.
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00:25:59,693 --> 00:26:02,109
And Joel Ortiz
will likely leave jail
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with over $4 million
at age 24.
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[woman] Ooh!
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♪♪♪
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[Anonymous]
If I were to go to jail, um,
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it really wouldn't be
that many years.
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00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,401
It's not like murder.
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It's really just, like,
a decade
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00:26:16,984 --> 00:26:18,859
at-at-at most
is what people look at,
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00:26:18,943 --> 00:26:21,025
and then even then,
I would still have my money
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00:26:21,109 --> 00:26:22,984
when I got out
because it's Bitcoin.
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00:26:23,067 --> 00:26:24,818
Um, they can't--
it's not like a bank account.
510
00:26:24,901 --> 00:26:26,693
They can't take the money.
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00:26:26,776 --> 00:26:28,567
I mean, obviously it would suck
to go to jail for a decade,
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00:26:28,651 --> 00:26:30,984
but, um,
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00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:32,484
uh, the way I have
everything set up,
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I don't think
that'll happen.
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[Krishna] As the tactics
of SIM swappers
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continue to evolve,
517
00:26:39,025 --> 00:26:41,818
victims are now starting
to fight back.
518
00:26:41,901 --> 00:26:45,693
Michael Terpin lost
$24 million in a SIM swap.
519
00:26:45,776 --> 00:26:49,109
Now he's suing AT&T
for letting this happen.
520
00:26:49,192 --> 00:26:50,359
People don't realize that most
of the AT&T stores
521
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:53,150
that say AT&T
aren't actually owned by AT&T.
522
00:26:53,234 --> 00:26:56,192
They're licensed, and yet
they have the same access,
523
00:26:56,275 --> 00:27:00,234
um, as an employee would
to critical information
524
00:27:00,317 --> 00:27:03,567
that will let anybody be bribed
for about $100.
525
00:27:03,651 --> 00:27:06,734
There's over 1,000 cases
just from AT&T alone
526
00:27:06,818 --> 00:27:09,567
that one group
is investigating.
527
00:27:09,651 --> 00:27:11,734
They've basically said
they don't take responsibility
528
00:27:11,818 --> 00:27:14,150
for security;
that's not their job.
529
00:27:14,234 --> 00:27:15,484
[Krishna] Early this year,
530
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,234
three senators
and three representatives
531
00:27:17,317 --> 00:27:18,859
wrote a letter to the FCC,
532
00:27:18,943 --> 00:27:21,734
pressuring them to take on
SIM swap fraud.
533
00:27:21,818 --> 00:27:26,609
Vice reached out to AT&T,
Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon.
534
00:27:26,693 --> 00:27:28,317
Sprint didn't get back to us.
535
00:27:28,401 --> 00:27:30,609
The others declined to be
interviewed on camera.
536
00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:33,526
But AT&T did provide us
with a statement.
537
00:27:59,693 --> 00:28:00,818
The irony is rich here
538
00:28:00,901 --> 00:28:02,943
because phone numbers
were collected
539
00:28:03,025 --> 00:28:05,192
as a way to make accounts
more secure.
540
00:28:05,275 --> 00:28:08,484
And now they are a back door
for accounts.
541
00:28:08,567 --> 00:28:10,984
♪♪♪
542
00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:15,818
My endgame? [laughs]
543
00:28:15,901 --> 00:28:16,984
There's-there's no endgame.
544
00:28:17,067 --> 00:28:20,484
It's just...
545
00:28:20,567 --> 00:28:21,734
the goal-the goal
is just to make
546
00:28:21,818 --> 00:28:23,693
as much money as possible.
547
00:28:23,776 --> 00:28:25,984
I just want to be happy.
548
00:28:26,067 --> 00:28:27,275
That's-that's really it.
549
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,442
That means I'll stop
when they make me stop.
550
00:28:31,526 --> 00:28:32,567
- ♪ Look at my swag ♪
- ♪ Look at my ♪
551
00:28:32,651 --> 00:28:33,567
♪ Look at that bag ♪
552
00:28:33,651 --> 00:28:35,150
♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪
553
00:28:35,234 --> 00:28:36,317
- ♪ Look at my house ♪
- ♪ Look at my ♪
554
00:28:36,401 --> 00:28:37,401
♪ Look at my spouse ♪
555
00:28:37,484 --> 00:28:38,693
♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪
556
00:28:38,776 --> 00:28:40,025
- ♪ Look at my bitch ♪
- ♪ Look at my ♪
557
00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:41,150
♪ Look at my whip ♪
558
00:28:41,234 --> 00:28:42,651
♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪
559
00:28:42,734 --> 00:28:43,734
- ♪ Look at my swag ♪
- ♪ Look at my ♪
560
00:28:43,818 --> 00:28:44,734
♪ Look at that bag ♪
561
00:28:44,818 --> 00:28:46,192
♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪
562
00:28:46,275 --> 00:28:47,609
- ♪ Look at that bag ♪
- ♪ Swag ♪
563
00:28:47,693 --> 00:28:49,067
- ♪ Look at that bag ♪
- ♪ Swag ♪
564
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:50,567
♪ Look at that bag,
look at that bag ♪
565
00:28:50,651 --> 00:28:52,067
- ♪ Swag ♪
- ♪ Look at that bag ♪
566
00:28:52,150 --> 00:28:53,484
♪ Swag, swag ♪
567
00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:55,567
- ♪ Look at that bag ♪
- ♪ Swag ♪
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