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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,526 --> 00:00:06,275 [Hind] What people see on TV 2 00:00:06,359 --> 00:00:07,609 is that women who lived under Islamic State 3 00:00:07,693 --> 00:00:09,025 are very submissive. 4 00:00:09,109 --> 00:00:10,150 They're housewives... 5 00:00:10,234 --> 00:00:11,526 [indistinct yelling] 6 00:00:11,609 --> 00:00:13,609 ♪ dramatic music ♪ 7 00:00:13,693 --> 00:00:15,859 This is crazy, because these kids are saying 8 00:00:15,943 --> 00:00:19,484 that they are going to bring back Islamic State. 9 00:00:19,567 --> 00:00:22,025 Islamic State will not stop. 10 00:00:22,109 --> 00:00:23,442 [distorted] You basically just... 11 00:00:23,526 --> 00:00:25,109 made money for doing nothing: 12 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:28,275 um, a phone call and some research online. 13 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:30,484 These kids did what with the money they stole? 14 00:00:30,567 --> 00:00:32,484 [man] They took helicopter flights to dinner. 15 00:00:32,567 --> 00:00:34,609 They bought $5,000 watches. 16 00:00:34,693 --> 00:00:36,359 They rented mansions. 17 00:00:36,442 --> 00:00:38,317 We lost everything... 18 00:00:38,401 --> 00:00:40,484 everything we spent decades building. 19 00:00:40,567 --> 00:00:42,275 ♪♪♪ 20 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:45,317 ♪ dramatic electronic music ♪ 21 00:00:45,401 --> 00:00:50,359 ♪♪♪ 22 00:00:55,734 --> 00:00:57,192 [indistinct shouting] 23 00:00:57,275 --> 00:01:00,693 ♪♪♪ 24 00:01:02,150 --> 00:01:05,025 ♪ dramatic music ♪ 25 00:01:05,109 --> 00:01:10,109 ♪♪♪ 26 00:01:12,025 --> 00:01:13,442 [horn beeps] 27 00:01:16,693 --> 00:01:18,401 [gate clattering] 28 00:01:18,484 --> 00:01:21,192 ♪♪♪ 29 00:01:21,275 --> 00:01:23,693 [Hind] This is one of a number of prisons in this area 30 00:01:23,776 --> 00:01:27,150 holding and overflowing with ISIS suspects. 31 00:01:27,234 --> 00:01:29,526 speaking native language 32 00:01:29,609 --> 00:01:31,109 [Hind] There are rooms all the way down the corridor. 33 00:01:31,192 --> 00:01:35,109 Each room can contain over 150 men. 34 00:01:35,192 --> 00:01:39,025 We've seen people from Iraq, Germany, Russia, 35 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:40,776 and even the United States. 36 00:01:41,776 --> 00:01:44,526 It smells really bad, 37 00:01:44,609 --> 00:01:47,192 like a combination of human sweat, 38 00:01:47,275 --> 00:01:49,526 feces, and urine. 39 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:51,025 ♪♪♪ 40 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:54,192 There are at least 5,000 prisoners here 41 00:01:54,275 --> 00:01:56,150 from up to 30 countries. 42 00:01:56,234 --> 00:01:58,651 Many are European citizens whose governments 43 00:01:58,734 --> 00:01:59,943 don't want them back. 44 00:02:00,025 --> 00:02:01,776 - Were you a fighter? - Yes, I was a fighter. 45 00:02:01,859 --> 00:02:04,651 - So you are a terrorist? - Yeah, of course. 46 00:02:04,734 --> 00:02:07,442 [Hind] How would they know that you're not gonna continue 47 00:02:07,526 --> 00:02:09,526 the fight for ISIS or continue spreading the ideology? 48 00:02:09,609 --> 00:02:11,317 [Abdul] Because, number one, I surrender myself. 49 00:02:11,401 --> 00:02:12,901 - I am finished with it. - [Hind] You had no choice. 50 00:02:12,984 --> 00:02:15,651 No, it's not true. I could fight till the end. 51 00:02:15,734 --> 00:02:18,275 Everybody know ISIS fighters, they fight till the end. 52 00:02:18,359 --> 00:02:20,484 ♪♪♪ 53 00:02:20,567 --> 00:02:22,651 [Hind] Casper Hansen is from Denmark 54 00:02:22,734 --> 00:02:25,776 and is one of the highest-level detainees here. 55 00:02:25,859 --> 00:02:28,401 Prison guards say he commanded ISIS fighters 56 00:02:28,484 --> 00:02:29,776 on the battlefield 57 00:02:29,859 --> 00:02:31,943 and was injured in a targeted air strike. 58 00:02:32,025 --> 00:02:33,943 Do you know what they say about you? 59 00:02:34,025 --> 00:02:35,109 [Casper] No. 60 00:02:35,192 --> 00:02:36,609 That you're an emir. 61 00:02:36,693 --> 00:02:38,693 - An emir? - An Islamic State prince. 62 00:02:38,776 --> 00:02:40,734 Okay. [laughs] 63 00:02:40,818 --> 00:02:42,984 - Did you work? - No, no. 64 00:02:43,067 --> 00:02:44,693 [Hind] And your wife, did she work? 65 00:02:44,776 --> 00:02:45,901 [Casper] No, she was in the house. 66 00:02:45,984 --> 00:02:47,025 [Hind] She didn't work. 67 00:02:47,109 --> 00:02:49,067 How important is the woman's role? 68 00:02:49,150 --> 00:02:50,192 They must have done something 69 00:02:50,275 --> 00:02:52,025 beyond just staying in the house, 70 00:02:52,109 --> 00:02:53,859 because I can't imagine-- 71 00:02:53,943 --> 00:02:55,275 What are you imagining, then? 72 00:02:55,359 --> 00:02:56,442 That they had more of a role. 73 00:02:56,526 --> 00:02:57,984 Like what, being fighters? 74 00:02:58,067 --> 00:02:59,109 Maybe. 75 00:02:59,192 --> 00:03:00,818 No, they didn't allow women to fight. 76 00:03:00,901 --> 00:03:01,943 I know that. 77 00:03:02,025 --> 00:03:03,109 There were some women, 78 00:03:03,192 --> 00:03:04,943 they was teaching the religious methods. 79 00:03:05,025 --> 00:03:06,818 It's about raising your children 80 00:03:06,901 --> 00:03:09,359 to learn the Islamic, uh, laws. 81 00:03:09,442 --> 00:03:12,401 Will Islamic State re-form? Do you believe that it will? 82 00:03:12,484 --> 00:03:15,734 Islamic State will not stop. 83 00:03:16,984 --> 00:03:19,442 To be continued. 84 00:03:19,526 --> 00:03:21,359 [gunfire] 85 00:03:21,442 --> 00:03:22,693 [Hind] It was a year ago that ISIS 86 00:03:22,776 --> 00:03:24,359 was on the verge of defeat. 87 00:03:24,442 --> 00:03:26,109 The terror group that, at its peak, 88 00:03:26,192 --> 00:03:30,067 controlled more than 34,000 square miles of Iraq and Syria 89 00:03:30,150 --> 00:03:31,609 was cornered in Baghuz, 90 00:03:31,693 --> 00:03:34,567 a tiny village along the Euphrates River. 91 00:03:34,651 --> 00:03:37,651 Sixty thousand fled the final battle. 92 00:03:37,734 --> 00:03:39,651 Men were hauled off to prisons. 93 00:03:39,734 --> 00:03:41,651 Women and children were loaded into trucks 94 00:03:41,734 --> 00:03:43,567 and transported to refugee camps. 95 00:03:43,651 --> 00:03:44,567 [gun cocking] 96 00:03:44,651 --> 00:03:46,442 [man] speaking native language 97 00:03:46,526 --> 00:03:49,818 [Hind] Today the Islamic State remains active. 98 00:03:49,901 --> 00:03:52,109 In Deir ez-Zor, U.S. Special Forces 99 00:03:52,192 --> 00:03:53,984 are training Kurdish and Arab militias 100 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:55,442 to hunt down fighters 101 00:03:55,526 --> 00:03:56,818 hiding out in villages across Syria. 102 00:03:56,901 --> 00:03:58,192 [gunfire] 103 00:03:58,275 --> 00:04:00,484 But a growing threat is the ISIS women 104 00:04:00,567 --> 00:04:02,192 inside al-Hol, 105 00:04:02,275 --> 00:04:05,150 a massive refugee camp near the Iraqi border. 106 00:04:05,234 --> 00:04:09,984 There's 65,000 residents here from 45 different countries, 107 00:04:10,067 --> 00:04:11,693 half of them children, 108 00:04:11,776 --> 00:04:13,484 but they're not all ISIS. 109 00:04:13,567 --> 00:04:14,734 Many are victims themselves 110 00:04:14,818 --> 00:04:16,192 and are now forced to live with women 111 00:04:16,275 --> 00:04:18,275 who security officials say 112 00:04:18,359 --> 00:04:20,109 are becoming more radical by the day. 113 00:04:20,192 --> 00:04:22,901 ♪♪♪ 114 00:04:22,984 --> 00:04:24,359 We're with the Kurdish intelligence 115 00:04:24,442 --> 00:04:26,109 inside al-Hol Camp. 116 00:04:26,192 --> 00:04:29,609 They're about to carry out a raid targeting women 117 00:04:29,693 --> 00:04:32,317 who they believe are part of an ISIS patrol 118 00:04:32,401 --> 00:04:34,693 which teaches, maintains, and enforces 119 00:04:34,776 --> 00:04:36,651 the extremist ideology in the camp. 120 00:04:36,734 --> 00:04:39,025 ♪♪♪ 121 00:04:39,109 --> 00:04:41,734 These operations are actually incredibly dangerous 122 00:04:41,818 --> 00:04:43,859 because the women that they're targeting 123 00:04:43,943 --> 00:04:46,693 are known to be some of the most violent women 124 00:04:46,776 --> 00:04:47,943 inside this camp. 125 00:04:48,025 --> 00:04:50,984 [women] speaking native language 126 00:05:17,025 --> 00:05:21,442 ♪♪♪ 127 00:05:33,025 --> 00:05:38,025 ♪♪♪ 128 00:05:39,734 --> 00:05:41,943 [Hind] Do you know why they brought you in here? 129 00:05:42,025 --> 00:05:43,526 [Umm] speaking native language 130 00:05:43,609 --> 00:05:46,442 What we've been told is that there are women like yourself 131 00:05:46,526 --> 00:05:51,484 inside the camp who are enforcing ISIS' ideology 132 00:05:51,567 --> 00:05:53,150 on other women and on-- 133 00:05:54,526 --> 00:05:56,025 speaking native language 134 00:06:01,734 --> 00:06:05,567 Do you regret coming here to join the Islamic State? 135 00:06:11,943 --> 00:06:15,192 Do you want to live under an Islamic State again? 136 00:06:17,984 --> 00:06:19,484 [Hind] With little evidence against her, 137 00:06:19,567 --> 00:06:21,317 camp intelligence released Umm Hamza 138 00:06:21,401 --> 00:06:23,567 just hours after this raid. 139 00:06:23,651 --> 00:06:25,401 These women say that they're not doing anything; 140 00:06:25,484 --> 00:06:26,234 they're just sitting inside their tents 141 00:06:26,317 --> 00:06:27,359 and raising their children 142 00:06:27,442 --> 00:06:28,818 and that these accusations are false. 143 00:06:28,901 --> 00:06:30,317 How do you respond to that? 144 00:06:30,401 --> 00:06:33,859 speaking native language 145 00:06:49,693 --> 00:06:51,984 What happens if there's no resolution 146 00:06:52,067 --> 00:06:53,109 for this problem? 147 00:06:58,317 --> 00:07:00,901 [Hind] There's just about 400 security personnel 148 00:07:00,984 --> 00:07:02,859 guarding this sprawling camp, 149 00:07:02,943 --> 00:07:05,192 and officials are outnumbered. 150 00:07:05,275 --> 00:07:07,859 One of the challenges they face is finding out 151 00:07:07,943 --> 00:07:11,109 who's radical and who isn't. 152 00:07:11,192 --> 00:07:12,609 Leila Ouadi from France 153 00:07:12,693 --> 00:07:15,317 has been targeted by women who patrol the camp 154 00:07:15,401 --> 00:07:17,609 and enforce strict ISIS laws 155 00:07:17,693 --> 00:07:20,984 against wearing makeup and socializing with men. 156 00:07:21,067 --> 00:07:22,984 Have they attacked you personally? 157 00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:26,484 speaking French 158 00:07:26,567 --> 00:07:28,651 Have you heard about them doing it to other women? 159 00:07:36,776 --> 00:07:39,025 [Hind] Leila doesn't live in the camp alone. 160 00:07:39,109 --> 00:07:40,526 She's stuck here with her four children 161 00:07:40,609 --> 00:07:42,943 with little access to medicine and food. 162 00:07:43,025 --> 00:07:45,693 And there may be no way out. 163 00:07:45,776 --> 00:07:47,651 France, like other European governments, 164 00:07:47,734 --> 00:07:49,734 is making it nearly impossible 165 00:07:49,818 --> 00:07:51,734 for their citizens to return home. 166 00:07:51,818 --> 00:07:54,901 What are you afraid of, bringing them up in the camp? 167 00:08:11,442 --> 00:08:14,526 If they don't get out, what are you afraid will happen to them? 168 00:08:22,901 --> 00:08:25,150 ♪♪♪ 169 00:08:36,651 --> 00:08:38,025 [Hind] Do you take responsibility 170 00:08:38,109 --> 00:08:40,359 for the situation that your children are in? 171 00:08:56,150 --> 00:08:59,484 ♪♪♪ 172 00:08:59,567 --> 00:09:02,609 [Hind] We've managed to get access to a women's prison, 173 00:09:02,693 --> 00:09:03,984 and this is the first time that they're going to allow 174 00:09:04,067 --> 00:09:06,317 journalists to go inside and film. 175 00:09:06,401 --> 00:09:08,150 Some of the women that are being held there 176 00:09:08,234 --> 00:09:10,693 are actually too dangerous to be kept in the camps, 177 00:09:10,776 --> 00:09:12,567 and so instead they've been transferred 178 00:09:12,651 --> 00:09:14,567 to this detention center. 179 00:09:15,317 --> 00:09:18,067 Here the women are placed in individual cells 180 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:19,943 and kept under 24-hour surveillance, 181 00:09:20,025 --> 00:09:22,567 some along with their children. 182 00:09:22,651 --> 00:09:24,693 ♪♪♪ 183 00:09:24,776 --> 00:09:26,984 Prison guards selected three foreign detainees 184 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:28,526 for us to speak to. 185 00:09:28,609 --> 00:09:30,984 Do you know why you're here in this prison? 186 00:09:31,067 --> 00:09:33,984 speaking native language 187 00:09:34,693 --> 00:09:36,401 [Hind] Can you talk me through 188 00:09:36,484 --> 00:09:38,192 how you ended up here? 189 00:09:38,275 --> 00:09:42,567 speaking English 190 00:09:43,275 --> 00:09:45,442 [Hind] Do you know why you're here? 191 00:09:45,526 --> 00:09:48,526 speaking native language 192 00:09:52,401 --> 00:09:57,025 What was it like when you were living in the Islamic State 193 00:09:57,109 --> 00:09:59,776 during the time just before you entered the camp? 194 00:10:04,359 --> 00:10:06,109 How was it not like that? 195 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:26,150 Was this a big change, in your opinion, 196 00:10:26,234 --> 00:10:28,484 of ISIS and their ideology? 197 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:40,192 You're accused of trying to smuggle 198 00:10:40,275 --> 00:10:42,984 explosives into the camp. 199 00:10:43,651 --> 00:10:45,025 speaking French 200 00:10:45,109 --> 00:10:46,109 Yeah. 201 00:10:46,192 --> 00:10:47,526 speaking English 202 00:10:47,609 --> 00:10:48,609 That's stupid? 203 00:10:56,693 --> 00:10:59,609 The role of women is also to teach the children 204 00:10:59,693 --> 00:11:00,943 the ideology of ISIS. 205 00:11:01,025 --> 00:11:02,192 Is that right? 206 00:11:21,734 --> 00:11:23,776 ♪♪♪ 207 00:11:23,859 --> 00:11:26,275 [Hind] Women passing on the ideology to children 208 00:11:26,359 --> 00:11:27,859 is one of the most urgent concerns 209 00:11:27,943 --> 00:11:30,693 for security officials. 210 00:11:30,776 --> 00:11:32,567 Eleven-year-old Malek was held captive 211 00:11:32,651 --> 00:11:34,901 by an ISIS woman inside al-Hol. 212 00:11:34,984 --> 00:11:38,150 She was rescued by camp security just days ago 213 00:11:38,234 --> 00:11:40,984 and is now being cared for by a foster family. 214 00:11:41,067 --> 00:11:42,317 ♪♪♪ 215 00:11:42,401 --> 00:11:44,484 She's Yezidi, a religious minority 216 00:11:44,567 --> 00:11:47,150 that ISIS vowed to wipe out. 217 00:11:47,234 --> 00:11:49,859 [woman] speaking native language 218 00:11:51,859 --> 00:11:54,526 [Hind] For six years, Malek lived under the Islamic State. 219 00:11:54,609 --> 00:11:57,025 After her mother and sister were killed in an air strike, 220 00:11:57,109 --> 00:11:58,651 she was taken in by an ISIS woman 221 00:11:58,734 --> 00:12:00,609 who tried to erase her past. 222 00:12:00,693 --> 00:12:03,067 speaking native language 223 00:12:05,317 --> 00:12:06,401 speaking native language 224 00:12:24,776 --> 00:12:27,776 [chickens clucking] 225 00:12:32,067 --> 00:12:33,776 Okay. 226 00:12:33,859 --> 00:12:35,275 Gonna show us where she sleeps. 227 00:13:11,859 --> 00:13:12,901 No. 228 00:13:20,025 --> 00:13:22,651 Cu-cuckoo-koo! 229 00:13:23,275 --> 00:13:24,984 [Hind] She's been here now for a couple of weeks, 230 00:13:25,067 --> 00:13:29,734 and she's clearly become accustomed to living here. 231 00:13:30,317 --> 00:13:31,734 She's not what I expected at all 232 00:13:31,818 --> 00:13:33,567 when they told me that there was an 11-year-old girl 233 00:13:33,651 --> 00:13:36,192 who'd been living with ISIS families 234 00:13:36,275 --> 00:13:38,442 and was in the camp and was getting rescued. 235 00:13:38,526 --> 00:13:41,526 It's nice to see her acting like any other 11-year-old. 236 00:13:43,109 --> 00:13:46,693 The next step for her is going to meet her real family. 237 00:13:54,109 --> 00:13:55,359 [laughs] 238 00:13:58,859 --> 00:14:03,693 ♪♪♪ 239 00:14:13,651 --> 00:14:15,067 [Hind] Malek is fortunate. 240 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:17,609 She's no longer in the hands of ISIS. 241 00:14:17,693 --> 00:14:20,401 But for many of the children still inside the camp, 242 00:14:20,484 --> 00:14:23,234 their future is uncertain. 243 00:14:23,317 --> 00:14:25,776 Here the ideology is spreading fast, 244 00:14:25,859 --> 00:14:27,693 and security is carrying out weekly raids 245 00:14:27,776 --> 00:14:29,359 to try and contain it. 246 00:14:29,442 --> 00:14:33,401 [women] speaking native language 247 00:14:36,442 --> 00:14:37,818 [Hind] One of the ways they do that 248 00:14:37,901 --> 00:14:40,109 is by gathering intelligence from informants 249 00:14:40,192 --> 00:14:41,984 living inside al-Hol. 250 00:14:42,067 --> 00:14:44,818 That information has led security officials 251 00:14:44,901 --> 00:14:46,693 to the far corner of the camp, 252 00:14:46,776 --> 00:14:49,359 where they suspect is an ISIS school. 253 00:14:57,359 --> 00:15:00,943 So this woman coming out now who they've handcuffed 254 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:03,442 is apparently one of the ISIS women 255 00:15:03,526 --> 00:15:06,609 teaching the children extremist ISIS ideology. 256 00:15:06,693 --> 00:15:09,109 ♪♪♪ 257 00:15:09,192 --> 00:15:12,734 The camp security may be fighting a losing battle. 258 00:15:12,818 --> 00:15:15,609 As they try and root out the teachers, 259 00:15:15,693 --> 00:15:18,234 there's already a new generation in the making. 260 00:15:18,317 --> 00:15:19,776 speaking native language 261 00:16:29,025 --> 00:16:34,025 ♪♪♪ 262 00:16:41,609 --> 00:16:44,067 ♪ dark music ♪ 263 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:47,067 [Anonymous] There is no one criteria for a target. 264 00:16:47,150 --> 00:16:50,067 I view it as, like, a hunt, man. 265 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:51,859 It's like a hunt. 266 00:16:51,943 --> 00:16:52,984 If you've ever been hunting, 267 00:16:53,067 --> 00:16:54,192 you understand what it feels like 268 00:16:54,275 --> 00:16:57,442 to track down your target and fucking kill it. 269 00:16:57,526 --> 00:16:59,025 I mean, you basically just... 270 00:16:59,109 --> 00:17:00,526 made money for doing nothing: 271 00:17:00,609 --> 00:17:03,818 um, a phone call and some research online. 272 00:17:04,776 --> 00:17:08,025 ♪♪♪ 273 00:17:08,109 --> 00:17:11,234 [Robert] I had never heard of a SIM swap before. 274 00:17:11,317 --> 00:17:14,067 I mean, these days are really a challenge-- 275 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:15,275 every day. 276 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,484 You know, sometimes I-I wake up 277 00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:18,442 and it's hard to get out of bed. 278 00:17:18,526 --> 00:17:20,859 So when it first happened, October 26th, 279 00:17:20,943 --> 00:17:22,109 I didn't sleep that night. 280 00:17:22,192 --> 00:17:23,693 I was up with AT&T the entire night. 281 00:17:23,776 --> 00:17:25,150 ♪♪♪ 282 00:17:25,234 --> 00:17:27,234 I mean, you know, I was-- 283 00:17:27,317 --> 00:17:29,401 I mean, I was suicidal. 284 00:17:29,484 --> 00:17:33,150 What brings me down is worry, 285 00:17:33,234 --> 00:17:37,859 worry that I can't meet the tuition for my daughter. 286 00:17:37,943 --> 00:17:40,317 Within, like, 20 minutes, 287 00:17:40,401 --> 00:17:43,025 a million dollars was stolen. 288 00:17:43,109 --> 00:17:44,693 I can't even believe I made a million dollars, 289 00:17:44,776 --> 00:17:47,150 let alone lost a million dollars. 290 00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:48,359 I mean... 291 00:17:48,442 --> 00:17:49,526 Quite a lot of victims 292 00:17:49,609 --> 00:17:51,526 were completely caught by surprise. 293 00:17:51,609 --> 00:17:53,234 [Krishna] Allison Nixon specializes 294 00:17:53,317 --> 00:17:55,317 in cybercrime and risk intelligence. 295 00:17:55,401 --> 00:17:56,734 SIM swapping is a technique 296 00:17:56,818 --> 00:17:59,192 where criminals basically steal your phone number, 297 00:17:59,275 --> 00:18:02,025 and all of the text messages and calls and information 298 00:18:02,109 --> 00:18:05,275 intended for your phone now go to their phone. 299 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,609 And why is that important? 300 00:18:06,693 --> 00:18:07,901 Well, it's important because 301 00:18:07,984 --> 00:18:09,776 your entire online identity nowadays 302 00:18:09,859 --> 00:18:11,609 rests on your phone number. 303 00:18:11,693 --> 00:18:13,818 Your phone number is tied to your physical phone 304 00:18:13,901 --> 00:18:16,859 via this, a SIM card, a little microchip 305 00:18:16,943 --> 00:18:20,651 with a unique ID that your telephone company has on file. 306 00:18:20,734 --> 00:18:23,734 To do a SIM swap, a hacker gets a cell phone employee 307 00:18:23,818 --> 00:18:26,484 to switch the SIM card number that's linked to your phone 308 00:18:26,567 --> 00:18:28,567 to a phone they have. 309 00:18:28,651 --> 00:18:30,067 [Allison] They can do anything 310 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:31,442 with your phone number that you would do, 311 00:18:31,526 --> 00:18:34,401 so imagine you forgot your password legitimately 312 00:18:34,484 --> 00:18:36,859 and you need to get back into your bank account. 313 00:18:36,943 --> 00:18:38,984 Banks, web mail providers, 314 00:18:39,067 --> 00:18:40,901 they have an account recovery process 315 00:18:40,984 --> 00:18:42,734 for customers that forget their passwords. 316 00:18:42,818 --> 00:18:44,025 Since they have my phone number, 317 00:18:44,109 --> 00:18:45,651 they can get into my email. 318 00:18:45,734 --> 00:18:47,359 Most web mail providers nowadays 319 00:18:47,442 --> 00:18:49,734 either require or strongly encourage 320 00:18:49,818 --> 00:18:51,984 that you hand over your phone number. 321 00:18:56,067 --> 00:18:59,401 I-I have little to no technical expertise. 322 00:18:59,484 --> 00:19:02,484 I'm hacking people, not computers. 323 00:19:02,567 --> 00:19:03,901 It takes a certain type of person, 324 00:19:03,984 --> 00:19:05,275 but it's not a genius. 325 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,734 You don't have to be outstandingly intelligent. 326 00:19:07,818 --> 00:19:09,984 You just have to know how to do it 327 00:19:10,067 --> 00:19:11,984 and have the will to do it. 328 00:19:12,067 --> 00:19:14,776 [Robert] It's not like a regular hack. 329 00:19:14,859 --> 00:19:17,609 Unsophisticated kids 330 00:19:17,693 --> 00:19:20,609 can do devastating damage. 331 00:19:20,693 --> 00:19:23,776 ♪ upbeat dance music ♪ 332 00:19:23,859 --> 00:19:25,943 Nick Truglia is a 21-year-old. 333 00:19:26,025 --> 00:19:29,859 He stole a million dollars from me. 334 00:19:29,943 --> 00:19:30,943 [Krishna] What's, like, the spending habits 335 00:19:31,025 --> 00:19:32,943 of these SIM swappers? 336 00:19:33,025 --> 00:19:34,359 What we were seeing was basically 337 00:19:34,442 --> 00:19:38,192 the infinite-money fantasy of every 21-year-old. 338 00:19:38,275 --> 00:19:39,609 They would go to the club, 339 00:19:39,693 --> 00:19:41,442 waste tons of money, 340 00:19:41,526 --> 00:19:43,776 show it off on social media. 341 00:19:43,859 --> 00:19:45,109 [Anonymous] Some of the stupid ways 342 00:19:45,192 --> 00:19:46,651 I can think we've spent our money: 343 00:19:46,734 --> 00:19:48,651 took a helicopter 344 00:19:48,734 --> 00:19:51,651 from Queens to Manhattan to get to dinner 345 00:19:51,734 --> 00:19:53,984 just because we felt like it. 346 00:19:54,067 --> 00:19:55,484 [Allison] They would all stand in a circle 347 00:19:55,567 --> 00:19:57,526 with their really expensive Rolexes 348 00:19:57,609 --> 00:20:00,067 and dump this champagne onto their Rolexes 349 00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:01,359 onto the floor. 350 00:20:01,442 --> 00:20:02,818 [Anonymous] I probably spent, like, 351 00:20:02,901 --> 00:20:06,401 $1/4 million on champagne. 352 00:20:06,484 --> 00:20:08,109 [Krishna] So how much are you worth? 353 00:20:08,192 --> 00:20:09,818 Um, I won't say an exact amount, 354 00:20:09,901 --> 00:20:13,317 but it's, uh, under $90 million USD 355 00:20:13,401 --> 00:20:17,234 and over $40 million, all in Bitcoin. 356 00:20:17,317 --> 00:20:19,317 ♪♪♪ 357 00:20:19,401 --> 00:20:21,401 [Krishna] For hackers on the hunt for a big payday, 358 00:20:21,484 --> 00:20:24,984 SIM swapping turns robbery into child's play. 359 00:20:25,067 --> 00:20:26,150 [Anonymous] So it all really started out 360 00:20:26,234 --> 00:20:28,484 with a bunch of kids playing Call of Duty 361 00:20:28,567 --> 00:20:32,109 around, ooh, I want to say 2013. 362 00:20:32,192 --> 00:20:34,651 People started wanting these things called 363 00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:38,192 OG accounts on PlayStation. 364 00:20:38,275 --> 00:20:40,734 So imagine you're a kid playing a video game 365 00:20:40,818 --> 00:20:42,484 and someone shows up in your game 366 00:20:42,567 --> 00:20:44,651 and their username is just Hacker. 367 00:20:44,734 --> 00:20:46,275 Like, no numbers after it, 368 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,067 nothing, just the word "hacker." 369 00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:50,693 It's just sort of like a-a status thing. 370 00:20:50,776 --> 00:20:53,192 So we would call up PlayStation Network. 371 00:20:53,275 --> 00:20:57,025 We'd have their name, address, and all their personal info, 372 00:20:57,109 --> 00:21:00,067 and we would try to get-get their accounts. 373 00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:02,025 [Krishna] And once you had that OG username, 374 00:21:02,109 --> 00:21:03,234 you could sell it to someone else 375 00:21:03,317 --> 00:21:05,025 through an online marketplace. 376 00:21:05,109 --> 00:21:07,484 [Allison] The big sellers on these username markets 377 00:21:07,567 --> 00:21:09,484 have realized that the only feasible way 378 00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:11,901 to get good stock to sell is to steal accounts. 379 00:21:11,984 --> 00:21:14,859 At some point, somebody realized 380 00:21:14,943 --> 00:21:16,484 that video games and social media 381 00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:18,734 are really only worth so much 382 00:21:18,818 --> 00:21:20,401 and if they want to make more money, 383 00:21:20,484 --> 00:21:22,609 they really need to start targeting cryptocurrency, 384 00:21:22,693 --> 00:21:24,984 where they can make hundreds of millions of dollars. 385 00:21:25,984 --> 00:21:28,442 [Krishna] Cryptocurrencies are virtual gold mines. 386 00:21:28,526 --> 00:21:31,234 Sure, OG usernames could net a few thousand dollars, 387 00:21:31,317 --> 00:21:33,359 but digital wallets of Bitcoin and Ethereum 388 00:21:33,442 --> 00:21:35,901 could be swiped just as easily. 389 00:21:35,984 --> 00:21:38,401 [Anonymous] So there was this one time me and my buddy 390 00:21:38,484 --> 00:21:39,567 were scrambling before this guy, like, 391 00:21:39,651 --> 00:21:40,776 tries to get his account back, 392 00:21:40,859 --> 00:21:43,192 before he gets his cell phone number back, 393 00:21:43,275 --> 00:21:47,192 and, uh, my partner obviously just made, like, 394 00:21:47,275 --> 00:21:49,526 roughly $10 million to $15 million. 395 00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:50,818 He says, "Oh, yeah, I gotta go." 396 00:21:50,901 --> 00:21:52,025 I said, "Why?" 397 00:21:52,109 --> 00:21:53,818 He says, "Oh, I gotta do my fucking homework." 398 00:21:55,234 --> 00:21:57,234 I thought-I thought it was really funny. 399 00:21:57,317 --> 00:21:59,818 ♪ eerie music ♪ 400 00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:01,818 [Samy] Last year, we didn't even know what it was, 401 00:22:01,901 --> 00:22:03,984 and 98 percent of cops 402 00:22:04,067 --> 00:22:07,192 would have no idea, if a victim came to them, 403 00:22:07,275 --> 00:22:09,526 what happened and how to investigate it. 404 00:22:09,609 --> 00:22:11,150 [Krishna] Since 2015, it's estimated 405 00:22:11,234 --> 00:22:12,818 that hundreds of millions of dollars 406 00:22:12,901 --> 00:22:14,943 have been stolen by SIM swapping, 407 00:22:15,025 --> 00:22:16,567 but only a handful of SIM swappers 408 00:22:16,651 --> 00:22:19,109 have ever been caught. 409 00:22:19,192 --> 00:22:21,901 [John] I would say the majority of cases we go into, 410 00:22:21,984 --> 00:22:24,359 it's kids living with their parents. 411 00:22:24,442 --> 00:22:28,192 And so a lot of times, we will run into a mom who 412 00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:30,150 thinks all their son is doing is gaming 413 00:22:30,234 --> 00:22:31,984 or just happens to be very brilliant 414 00:22:32,067 --> 00:22:33,567 at Bitcoin investment 415 00:22:33,651 --> 00:22:35,150 and that's the reason he bought her 416 00:22:35,234 --> 00:22:37,609 a brand-new Toyota or something like that. 417 00:22:37,693 --> 00:22:41,484 [Krishna] In November 2018, they caught Nick Truglia, 418 00:22:41,567 --> 00:22:42,859 the young man accused of stealing 419 00:22:42,943 --> 00:22:45,442 over a million dollars from Rob Ross. 420 00:22:45,526 --> 00:22:47,859 Truglia did have a social media presence, 421 00:22:47,943 --> 00:22:49,401 with him flying on private jets 422 00:22:49,484 --> 00:22:52,776 and showing fancy clothing and fancy watches. 423 00:22:52,859 --> 00:22:56,651 He definitely was portraying himself as a rich guy 424 00:22:56,734 --> 00:22:58,651 and, like, a self-made millionaire, 425 00:22:58,734 --> 00:23:01,109 possibly, like, through, like, investment banking. 426 00:23:01,192 --> 00:23:03,067 But we came to find out that everything 427 00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:05,442 he posted online about himself was just a lie. 428 00:23:05,526 --> 00:23:07,234 [Krishna] The criminal case of alleged SIM swapper 429 00:23:07,317 --> 00:23:09,818 Nick Truglia is still ongoing. 430 00:23:09,901 --> 00:23:11,859 [man] The court is going to deny the motion 431 00:23:11,943 --> 00:23:13,859 to reset bail. 432 00:23:13,943 --> 00:23:15,234 [Krishna] He maintains his innocence 433 00:23:15,317 --> 00:23:17,859 and is currently awaiting trial. 434 00:23:17,943 --> 00:23:19,275 ♪♪♪ 435 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,567 But careful SIM swappers 436 00:23:20,651 --> 00:23:22,984 are usually harder to pin down. 437 00:23:23,067 --> 00:23:25,192 Richard Sanders cofounded CipherBlade, 438 00:23:25,275 --> 00:23:27,192 a blockchain investigation agency that, 439 00:23:27,275 --> 00:23:29,693 among other things, uses SIM swappers' 440 00:23:29,776 --> 00:23:31,609 social engineering tactics-- 441 00:23:31,693 --> 00:23:33,317 pretending to be someone they're not-- 442 00:23:33,401 --> 00:23:35,234 to take them down. 443 00:23:35,317 --> 00:23:37,859 [Richard] This is a flow of transactions 444 00:23:37,943 --> 00:23:41,526 from an influencer that experienced a hack. 445 00:23:41,609 --> 00:23:43,275 This was a team of three to four folks. 446 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,859 They split up the money, 447 00:23:44,943 --> 00:23:46,359 and they sent it to different wallets from there. 448 00:23:46,442 --> 00:23:47,859 ♪♪♪ 449 00:23:47,943 --> 00:23:51,025 So I pretended to be a very, very attractive 450 00:23:51,109 --> 00:23:53,567 19-year-old female video gamer named Alyssa. 451 00:23:53,651 --> 00:23:55,025 I joined their Discord server 452 00:23:55,109 --> 00:23:57,025 and just started chatting with these folks. 453 00:23:57,109 --> 00:23:58,609 They're sliding into my DMs. 454 00:23:58,693 --> 00:24:01,401 They're telling me pretty much anything I wanted to know. 455 00:24:01,484 --> 00:24:02,901 Showing off their money. 456 00:24:02,984 --> 00:24:04,359 I would ask, "How are you making that money?" 457 00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:06,192 They'd talk about SIM swapping. 458 00:24:06,275 --> 00:24:07,734 Yeah, a bunch of them are talking to me, 459 00:24:07,818 --> 00:24:09,567 but one of them sent me quite a few different selfies. 460 00:24:09,651 --> 00:24:10,859 There's DMs he sent me 461 00:24:10,943 --> 00:24:12,818 where he admits to what he did. 462 00:24:12,901 --> 00:24:15,651 And sure enough, he sends me 463 00:24:15,734 --> 00:24:18,401 this picture. 464 00:24:18,484 --> 00:24:19,734 Joel Ortiz. 465 00:24:19,818 --> 00:24:23,192 ♪ tense music ♪ 466 00:24:23,275 --> 00:24:25,401 [Krishna] In May 2019, a group of hackers targeted 467 00:24:25,484 --> 00:24:29,943 more than 50 victims, stealing over $35 million. 468 00:24:30,025 --> 00:24:31,609 Ortiz was one of them-- 469 00:24:31,693 --> 00:24:36,067 brazen, prolific, and now accountable for ten felonies. 470 00:24:36,150 --> 00:24:37,693 Rob Ross attended a public hearing 471 00:24:37,776 --> 00:24:38,901 where his accusers were allowed 472 00:24:38,984 --> 00:24:40,693 to make victim statements. 473 00:24:40,776 --> 00:24:45,693 [Robert] I think all SIM swap victims who have lost money 474 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:48,776 are watching this Joel Ortiz trial 475 00:24:48,859 --> 00:24:51,275 and certainly the SIM swappers are watching it 476 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,984 to see how much time he will end up having to serve. 477 00:24:57,025 --> 00:25:00,484 In my case, Ortiz stole control of my phone service twice 478 00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:03,609 to take over all of my email and financial accounts, 479 00:25:03,693 --> 00:25:06,359 ultimately stealing my entire life savings, 480 00:25:06,442 --> 00:25:10,693 approximately $1.8 million. 481 00:25:10,776 --> 00:25:12,651 [Ann Marie] We lost everything. 482 00:25:12,734 --> 00:25:16,067 I'm 50 years old with two small children, 483 00:25:16,150 --> 00:25:18,818 and I ha--I'm facing no retirement... 484 00:25:18,901 --> 00:25:22,943 ♪♪♪ 485 00:25:24,317 --> 00:25:27,442 ...because Joel Ortiz, in one day, 486 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:31,150 destroyed our lives, 487 00:25:31,234 --> 00:25:34,192 everything we spent decades building. 488 00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:37,275 ♪♪♪ 489 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,567 [Krishna] Ortiz pleaded no contest to the charges 490 00:25:39,651 --> 00:25:41,109 and, in accordance with his plea deal, 491 00:25:41,192 --> 00:25:43,275 was sentenced to ten years in prison. 492 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,734 But prosecutors have failed to get him to reveal 493 00:25:45,818 --> 00:25:49,401 the location of Bitcoin they suspect he's hidden. 494 00:25:49,484 --> 00:25:51,859 [man] Given that he stole at least $7 million 495 00:25:51,943 --> 00:25:53,234 that we know about, 496 00:25:53,317 --> 00:25:55,275 we believe that he has significantly more 497 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,401 than $2 million that he refuses to return. 498 00:25:59,693 --> 00:26:02,109 And Joel Ortiz will likely leave jail 499 00:26:02,192 --> 00:26:04,567 with over $4 million at age 24. 500 00:26:04,651 --> 00:26:06,359 [woman] Ooh! 501 00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:10,317 ♪♪♪ 502 00:26:10,401 --> 00:26:12,526 [Anonymous] If I were to go to jail, um, 503 00:26:12,609 --> 00:26:14,275 it really wouldn't be that many years. 504 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,401 It's not like murder. 505 00:26:15,484 --> 00:26:16,901 It's really just, like, a decade 506 00:26:16,984 --> 00:26:18,859 at-at-at most is what people look at, 507 00:26:18,943 --> 00:26:21,025 and then even then, I would still have my money 508 00:26:21,109 --> 00:26:22,984 when I got out because it's Bitcoin. 509 00:26:23,067 --> 00:26:24,818 Um, they can't-- it's not like a bank account. 510 00:26:24,901 --> 00:26:26,693 They can't take the money. 511 00:26:26,776 --> 00:26:28,567 I mean, obviously it would suck to go to jail for a decade, 512 00:26:28,651 --> 00:26:30,984 but, um, 513 00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:32,484 uh, the way I have everything set up, 514 00:26:32,567 --> 00:26:35,025 I don't think that'll happen. 515 00:26:36,317 --> 00:26:37,609 [Krishna] As the tactics of SIM swappers 516 00:26:37,693 --> 00:26:38,943 continue to evolve, 517 00:26:39,025 --> 00:26:41,818 victims are now starting to fight back. 518 00:26:41,901 --> 00:26:45,693 Michael Terpin lost $24 million in a SIM swap. 519 00:26:45,776 --> 00:26:49,109 Now he's suing AT&T for letting this happen. 520 00:26:49,192 --> 00:26:50,359 People don't realize that most of the AT&T stores 521 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:53,150 that say AT&T aren't actually owned by AT&T. 522 00:26:53,234 --> 00:26:56,192 They're licensed, and yet they have the same access, 523 00:26:56,275 --> 00:27:00,234 um, as an employee would to critical information 524 00:27:00,317 --> 00:27:03,567 that will let anybody be bribed for about $100. 525 00:27:03,651 --> 00:27:06,734 There's over 1,000 cases just from AT&T alone 526 00:27:06,818 --> 00:27:09,567 that one group is investigating. 527 00:27:09,651 --> 00:27:11,734 They've basically said they don't take responsibility 528 00:27:11,818 --> 00:27:14,150 for security; that's not their job. 529 00:27:14,234 --> 00:27:15,484 [Krishna] Early this year, 530 00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,234 three senators and three representatives 531 00:27:17,317 --> 00:27:18,859 wrote a letter to the FCC, 532 00:27:18,943 --> 00:27:21,734 pressuring them to take on SIM swap fraud. 533 00:27:21,818 --> 00:27:26,609 Vice reached out to AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon. 534 00:27:26,693 --> 00:27:28,317 Sprint didn't get back to us. 535 00:27:28,401 --> 00:27:30,609 The others declined to be interviewed on camera. 536 00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:33,526 But AT&T did provide us with a statement. 537 00:27:59,693 --> 00:28:00,818 The irony is rich here 538 00:28:00,901 --> 00:28:02,943 because phone numbers were collected 539 00:28:03,025 --> 00:28:05,192 as a way to make accounts more secure. 540 00:28:05,275 --> 00:28:08,484 And now they are a back door for accounts. 541 00:28:08,567 --> 00:28:10,984 ♪♪♪ 542 00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:15,818 My endgame? [laughs] 543 00:28:15,901 --> 00:28:16,984 There's-there's no endgame. 544 00:28:17,067 --> 00:28:20,484 It's just... 545 00:28:20,567 --> 00:28:21,734 the goal-the goal is just to make 546 00:28:21,818 --> 00:28:23,693 as much money as possible. 547 00:28:23,776 --> 00:28:25,984 I just want to be happy. 548 00:28:26,067 --> 00:28:27,275 That's-that's really it. 549 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,442 That means I'll stop when they make me stop. 550 00:28:31,526 --> 00:28:32,567 - ♪ Look at my swag ♪ - ♪ Look at my ♪ 551 00:28:32,651 --> 00:28:33,567 ♪ Look at that bag ♪ 552 00:28:33,651 --> 00:28:35,150 ♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪ 553 00:28:35,234 --> 00:28:36,317 - ♪ Look at my house ♪ - ♪ Look at my ♪ 554 00:28:36,401 --> 00:28:37,401 ♪ Look at my spouse ♪ 555 00:28:37,484 --> 00:28:38,693 ♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪ 556 00:28:38,776 --> 00:28:40,025 - ♪ Look at my bitch ♪ - ♪ Look at my ♪ 557 00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:41,150 ♪ Look at my whip ♪ 558 00:28:41,234 --> 00:28:42,651 ♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪ 559 00:28:42,734 --> 00:28:43,734 - ♪ Look at my swag ♪ - ♪ Look at my ♪ 560 00:28:43,818 --> 00:28:44,734 ♪ Look at that bag ♪ 561 00:28:44,818 --> 00:28:46,192 ♪ Ain't that jewelry, yeah ♪ 562 00:28:46,275 --> 00:28:47,609 - ♪ Look at that bag ♪ - ♪ Swag ♪ 563 00:28:47,693 --> 00:28:49,067 - ♪ Look at that bag ♪ - ♪ Swag ♪ 564 00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:50,567 ♪ Look at that bag, look at that bag ♪ 565 00:28:50,651 --> 00:28:52,067 - ♪ Swag ♪ - ♪ Look at that bag ♪ 566 00:28:52,150 --> 00:28:53,484 ♪ Swag, swag ♪ 567 00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:55,567 - ♪ Look at that bag ♪ - ♪ Swag ♪ 39875

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