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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,043 --> 00:00:18,126 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 2 00:00:44,026 --> 00:00:46,776 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 3 00:00:46,778 --> 00:00:49,772 Subtitles by explosiveskull 4 00:00:56,359 --> 00:01:00,127 Our God most definitely answers our prayers, 5 00:01:00,129 --> 00:01:04,717 listens to our prayers and moves in response to our prayers. 6 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:07,166 Be thankful for what God has blessed you with 7 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:10,242 and for what God will bless you with. 8 00:01:11,170 --> 00:01:12,291 (WHISTLES) Wishes. 9 00:01:15,412 --> 00:01:16,245 Hello. 10 00:01:19,143 --> 00:01:21,893 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 11 00:01:24,448 --> 00:01:26,236 Before your sister passed away 12 00:01:26,238 --> 00:01:29,666 you said you prayed night and day. 13 00:01:29,668 --> 00:01:32,556 I have faith that you will intervene tomorrow 14 00:01:32,558 --> 00:01:34,666 and I will finally get the success 15 00:01:34,668 --> 00:01:36,366 that I've been praying for. 16 00:01:36,368 --> 00:01:38,706 Keep writing, maybe you can get 17 00:01:38,708 --> 00:01:40,116 a smaller publishing company 18 00:01:40,118 --> 00:01:41,816 to put out one of your future books. 19 00:01:41,818 --> 00:01:44,576 You know, what did I do that was so bad in this life 20 00:01:44,578 --> 00:01:48,741 that you can't answer one, just one of my prayers? 21 00:01:50,535 --> 00:01:53,535 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 22 00:02:06,058 --> 00:02:08,050 It's like I can't remember people's names. 23 00:02:08,052 --> 00:02:12,214 You're uh, you're. 24 00:02:12,216 --> 00:02:14,231 - BRIAN: It starts with a B. - Beltron. 25 00:02:14,233 --> 00:02:15,064 Ben. 26 00:02:15,066 --> 00:02:15,897 Benson? 27 00:02:15,899 --> 00:02:16,730 BRIAN: Brian. 28 00:02:16,732 --> 00:02:17,563 Brian. 29 00:02:17,565 --> 00:02:21,425 And you're the butler. 30 00:02:21,427 --> 00:02:25,875 Only if I've been demoted from being your PA. 31 00:02:25,877 --> 00:02:27,264 Oh sorry sugar pops 32 00:02:27,266 --> 00:02:30,265 but I'm not gonna be able to make dinner tonight. 33 00:02:30,267 --> 00:02:31,492 You're Darren Bennett. 34 00:02:31,494 --> 00:02:33,005 We got married? 35 00:02:33,007 --> 00:02:34,225 And you are? 36 00:02:34,227 --> 00:02:35,915 I'm Betsy. 37 00:02:35,917 --> 00:02:36,795 Betsy Simon. 38 00:02:36,797 --> 00:02:38,265 Betsy Simon. 39 00:02:38,267 --> 00:02:39,145 Yeah, no. 40 00:02:39,147 --> 00:02:41,645 I'm married, I live in a mansion 41 00:02:41,647 --> 00:02:43,885 and all of this because apparently the books I've written 42 00:02:43,887 --> 00:02:46,021 have done really well and have made me wealthy. 43 00:02:46,023 --> 00:02:48,329 If what you say is true, 44 00:02:48,331 --> 00:02:50,114 then it would appear that God has answered your prayers. 45 00:02:50,116 --> 00:02:51,044 All of them? 46 00:02:51,046 --> 00:02:54,784 If he answered them all, then it all makes sense. 47 00:02:54,786 --> 00:02:56,169 He's gotta put things back. 48 00:02:58,350 --> 00:03:00,444 (DOOR KNOCKING) 49 00:03:00,446 --> 00:03:01,299 Not now. 50 00:03:03,156 --> 00:03:05,906 BRIAN: Sorry to bother you, but your sister is here. 51 00:03:08,094 --> 00:03:11,011 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 52 00:03:12,486 --> 00:03:15,674 So if you ask God to put things back and he does 53 00:03:15,676 --> 00:03:17,524 then you lose Sally again. 54 00:03:17,526 --> 00:03:19,264 So you finally believe me? 55 00:03:19,266 --> 00:03:20,664 No. 56 00:03:20,666 --> 00:03:22,844 You used to work for us. 57 00:03:22,846 --> 00:03:24,427 For Wishes Incorporated, 58 00:03:24,429 --> 00:03:27,684 until the end of last year and then you quit. 59 00:03:27,686 --> 00:03:30,644 We caught her, we're taking her to court and that's it. 60 00:03:30,646 --> 00:03:34,256 You think Sally took the money? 61 00:03:34,258 --> 00:03:36,033 Here we go again, you know this. 62 00:03:36,035 --> 00:03:37,203 She's a criminal. 63 00:03:37,205 --> 00:03:39,577 You're so busy being a celebrity, 64 00:03:39,579 --> 00:03:42,663 you can't even see what it did to you or your family. 65 00:03:42,665 --> 00:03:44,093 Whatever the reason, 66 00:03:44,095 --> 00:03:46,683 that is no justification for what you did. 67 00:03:46,685 --> 00:03:48,278 So where do I go from here? 68 00:03:49,965 --> 00:03:54,673 Let God do what He does and trust that He knows wisdom. 69 00:03:54,675 --> 00:03:59,068 Not my will, but your will be done. 70 00:04:00,335 --> 00:04:01,313 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 71 00:04:01,315 --> 00:04:04,223 BETSY VOICEOVER: Again God answered my prayer 72 00:04:04,225 --> 00:04:07,263 and I returned to the life I was supposed to live. 73 00:04:07,265 --> 00:04:10,363 I probably won't tell anyone what happened, 74 00:04:10,365 --> 00:04:11,978 not that they'd believe me. 75 00:04:11,980 --> 00:04:14,203 Except for maybe Pastor John. 76 00:04:14,205 --> 00:04:18,123 Like Ann Westphal suggested I will continue to write. 77 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:21,563 My next book will be fiction to those who read it, 78 00:04:21,565 --> 00:04:23,797 but to me, it really happened. 79 00:04:25,262 --> 00:04:28,012 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 80 00:04:59,216 --> 00:05:02,095 Want some, here you go. 81 00:05:02,097 --> 00:05:03,452 Now there you go. 82 00:05:03,454 --> 00:05:04,867 Time to celebrate Wishes. 83 00:05:17,730 --> 00:05:19,208 (CAT MEOWS) 84 00:05:19,210 --> 00:05:21,873 No, this one's not about you. 85 00:05:21,875 --> 00:05:24,208 (CAT MEOWS) 86 00:05:26,303 --> 00:05:29,591 Heavenly Father, thank you for guiding me 87 00:05:29,593 --> 00:05:31,143 through the pages of this book. 88 00:05:32,423 --> 00:05:33,721 I hope readers will like it 89 00:05:33,723 --> 00:05:36,156 and maybe benefit from it as I did. 90 00:05:38,443 --> 00:05:40,143 If it ever gets published that is. 91 00:05:44,443 --> 00:05:45,276 Sorry. 92 00:05:52,163 --> 00:05:55,496 (PEACEFUL HYMNAL MUSIC) 93 00:06:19,052 --> 00:06:21,130 - Pastor John. - Betsy. 94 00:06:21,132 --> 00:06:23,259 Oh boy, chocolate chip? 95 00:06:23,261 --> 00:06:24,917 White chocolate chip. 96 00:06:24,919 --> 00:06:26,410 Oh, did you make them? 97 00:06:26,412 --> 00:06:27,670 I did. 98 00:06:27,672 --> 00:06:29,260 Okay well, I'm probably gonna sneak off with 99 00:06:29,262 --> 00:06:30,310 whatever's left over. 100 00:06:30,312 --> 00:06:32,220 You should, I made 'em just for you. 101 00:06:32,222 --> 00:06:33,372 - Pastor John. - Yeah. 102 00:06:34,395 --> 00:06:37,710 I have the flyers for the fundraiser 103 00:06:37,712 --> 00:06:39,660 - what do you think? - Oh Jerry, that looks great. 104 00:06:39,662 --> 00:06:41,040 I really appreciate it. 105 00:06:41,042 --> 00:06:43,370 Okay, I'll take 'em and give 'em to your wife 106 00:06:43,372 --> 00:06:44,569 and have her run 'em off okay. 107 00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:46,395 - Great, thank you. - Okay, alright. 108 00:06:48,001 --> 00:06:50,074 How's that fundraising coming along? 109 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:52,709 Well not as good as we were hoping for. 110 00:06:52,711 --> 00:06:55,089 Yeah, repairing steeples over 100 years old, 111 00:06:55,091 --> 00:06:57,894 not to mention the roof, it just isn't cheap. 112 00:06:59,141 --> 00:07:01,449 Well, if we don't raise the funds where will we go? 113 00:07:01,451 --> 00:07:03,319 The Elders are looking into moving services. 114 00:07:03,321 --> 00:07:06,399 Maybe, perhaps the community center. 115 00:07:06,401 --> 00:07:08,359 But you know, we are gonna stay positive, 116 00:07:08,361 --> 00:07:11,199 continue our prayers and God will know what to do. 117 00:07:11,201 --> 00:07:15,799 Speaking of prayer, it's done. 118 00:07:15,801 --> 00:07:16,829 What? 119 00:07:16,831 --> 00:07:18,829 Heavens to Betsy, I finished it yesterday. 120 00:07:18,831 --> 00:07:21,859 Congratulations, oh my goodness, how long did it take? 121 00:07:21,861 --> 00:07:23,319 Six months, give or take. 122 00:07:23,321 --> 00:07:24,929 Is that how long the other ones took? 123 00:07:24,931 --> 00:07:28,226 This one came to me a little easier than the last ones. 124 00:07:28,228 --> 00:07:30,831 But there's no Wishes this time? 125 00:07:30,833 --> 00:07:33,805 Well technically she's in it, 126 00:07:33,807 --> 00:07:37,948 but no, this one isn't about her. 127 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:41,908 Hmm, I wonder who the main character is then? 128 00:07:41,910 --> 00:07:44,640 Obviously from the title she's got my name. 129 00:07:44,642 --> 00:07:46,338 (LAUGHS) Yes. 130 00:07:46,340 --> 00:07:48,268 Okay, so what's next? 131 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:50,148 Um, I copyright it, 132 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:52,958 send it to potential publishers, agents. 133 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,258 What about the woman you were working with. 134 00:07:55,260 --> 00:07:56,748 You said she had some sort of connection 135 00:07:56,750 --> 00:07:57,658 to the publishing business? 136 00:07:57,660 --> 00:07:58,768 Oh, things didn't work out with her. 137 00:07:58,770 --> 00:08:00,848 That's too bad. 138 00:08:00,850 --> 00:08:01,681 Well good luck. 139 00:08:01,683 --> 00:08:03,508 And I can't wait any longer, 140 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:05,229 we've gotta dig into those cookies. 141 00:08:05,231 --> 00:08:06,062 Yeah, let's help you. 142 00:08:06,064 --> 00:08:07,797 Let's see what you did. 143 00:08:09,198 --> 00:08:11,948 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 144 00:08:18,267 --> 00:08:21,267 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 145 00:08:26,076 --> 00:08:28,507 Betsy, you look amazing! 146 00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:31,462 Veronica, thanks. 147 00:08:34,217 --> 00:08:35,502 I'm moving to LA. 148 00:08:36,579 --> 00:08:37,837 Wow. 149 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:38,867 Did something happen? 150 00:08:38,869 --> 00:08:40,372 Are you gonna be on a TV show? 151 00:08:41,339 --> 00:08:43,597 No, it's just time to go. 152 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:44,737 There's nothing here in Chicago 153 00:08:44,739 --> 00:08:47,127 for up and coming actors my age. 154 00:08:47,129 --> 00:08:48,679 Bit of a contradiction there. 155 00:08:50,204 --> 00:08:51,467 What do you mean? 156 00:08:51,469 --> 00:08:54,307 Well, isn't up and coming usually used a term 157 00:08:54,309 --> 00:08:55,449 used for younger... 158 00:08:58,359 --> 00:08:59,657 Never mind. 159 00:08:59,659 --> 00:09:03,317 Uh, what about all the shows that they shoot here though? 160 00:09:03,319 --> 00:09:07,610 I mean there's Chicago Fire, Chicago PD, Chicago Plumbers. 161 00:09:07,612 --> 00:09:09,457 Impossible. 162 00:09:09,459 --> 00:09:11,866 Too many actors and not enough shows. 163 00:09:11,868 --> 00:09:13,476 Aren't there more actors out in LA 164 00:09:13,478 --> 00:09:15,416 and wouldn't the competition be even greater? 165 00:09:15,418 --> 00:09:16,721 Not if you stand out. 166 00:09:17,898 --> 00:09:21,279 You stand out, do you? 167 00:09:21,281 --> 00:09:22,706 What do you mean? 168 00:09:22,708 --> 00:09:24,276 Never mind. 169 00:09:24,278 --> 00:09:25,646 Do you need any furniture? 170 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:27,076 I'm selling everything. 171 00:09:27,078 --> 00:09:28,746 Uh, no, I don't. 172 00:09:28,748 --> 00:09:31,049 I don't have enough room as it is. 173 00:09:31,051 --> 00:09:32,979 You're not bringing anything with you? 174 00:09:32,981 --> 00:09:35,235 I can't, I'm moving into a commune. 175 00:09:36,321 --> 00:09:37,406 A commune? 176 00:09:37,408 --> 00:09:40,601 Yeah, with other people who can't afford a place to live. 177 00:09:41,458 --> 00:09:44,095 A lot of actors do that. 178 00:09:44,097 --> 00:09:45,852 It's like a homeless shelter 179 00:09:45,854 --> 00:09:48,575 but with better restroom facilities 180 00:09:48,577 --> 00:09:50,811 and there's a Starbucks nearby. 181 00:09:52,118 --> 00:09:55,986 Wow, that sounds awful. 182 00:09:55,988 --> 00:09:57,166 What do you mean? 183 00:09:57,168 --> 00:09:58,616 Never mind. 184 00:09:58,618 --> 00:10:01,235 Here's my card, with my cell number. 185 00:10:01,237 --> 00:10:04,245 If you know of anyone looking to buy furniture, 186 00:10:04,247 --> 00:10:07,195 or kitchen stuff, or things that people need, 187 00:10:07,197 --> 00:10:08,835 you know, to live. 188 00:10:08,837 --> 00:10:12,865 Ronnie Love, professional actress, model, singer, 189 00:10:12,867 --> 00:10:16,035 dancer, comedian, voiceover artist, stunt double, 190 00:10:16,037 --> 00:10:19,495 body double, movie extra, poet. 191 00:10:19,497 --> 00:10:24,497 Dark is the night, I can't see. 192 00:10:25,077 --> 00:10:30,077 Death is holding his hands over my eyes. 193 00:10:30,327 --> 00:10:34,195 Dark is the night, on one knee. 194 00:10:34,197 --> 00:10:37,285 Death is stepping on my life. 195 00:10:37,287 --> 00:10:42,287 I can't breathe, take it away, far away. 196 00:10:47,129 --> 00:10:49,878 (CHEERFUL MUSIC) 197 00:10:52,906 --> 00:10:53,737 Wow. 198 00:10:53,739 --> 00:10:54,982 I know right. 199 00:10:54,984 --> 00:10:57,784 Too much talent and not enough room on that stupid card. 200 00:10:57,786 --> 00:10:59,844 No, yeah where would you put it? 201 00:10:59,846 --> 00:11:02,664 Say, whatever happened to that film audition 202 00:11:02,666 --> 00:11:03,924 you had a while back? 203 00:11:03,926 --> 00:11:05,225 Which one? 204 00:11:05,227 --> 00:11:07,604 BETSY: The one with the killer zombie trees? 205 00:11:07,606 --> 00:11:10,434 Oh, yeah. 206 00:11:10,436 --> 00:11:15,436 Amazing concept, amazing script and an amazing director. 207 00:11:16,734 --> 00:11:19,709 Couldn't raise the money, it never got made. 208 00:11:20,966 --> 00:11:22,574 Darren Bennett. 209 00:11:22,576 --> 00:11:24,269 Right, you've heard of him. 210 00:11:25,736 --> 00:11:26,567 Nope. 211 00:11:26,569 --> 00:11:28,594 Got another audition in a couple of hours. 212 00:11:28,596 --> 00:11:30,194 Another film audition? 213 00:11:30,196 --> 00:11:31,298 Dog food. 214 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:32,604 Excuse me? 215 00:11:32,606 --> 00:11:33,974 Commercial. 216 00:11:33,976 --> 00:11:36,403 It's for the role of a dog owner 217 00:11:36,405 --> 00:11:39,823 that believes her dog is going to be a movie star, 218 00:11:39,825 --> 00:11:41,343 even though it's a mutt. 219 00:11:41,345 --> 00:11:42,183 (DOG BARKS) 220 00:11:42,185 --> 00:11:43,823 You'll nail it. 221 00:11:43,825 --> 00:11:44,658 Thanks. 222 00:11:46,201 --> 00:11:47,463 Break a leg. 223 00:11:47,465 --> 00:11:48,298 You bet. 224 00:11:50,694 --> 00:11:53,876 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 225 00:11:53,878 --> 00:11:56,128 (CRASHING) 226 00:11:57,508 --> 00:11:58,753 My leg! 227 00:11:58,755 --> 00:12:00,208 Oh my goodness. 228 00:12:03,004 --> 00:12:04,571 I can't move it. 229 00:12:04,573 --> 00:12:07,323 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 230 00:12:29,070 --> 00:12:30,422 (TV AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 231 00:12:30,424 --> 00:12:31,949 They're here Mr. Dackery. 232 00:12:31,951 --> 00:12:35,172 And they have been here for at least the past six decades. 233 00:12:35,174 --> 00:12:37,722 Why can't we see them Mr. Carter? 234 00:12:37,724 --> 00:12:39,632 Well, they have infiltrated our world leaders 235 00:12:39,634 --> 00:12:42,902 and are slowly taking over other countries. 236 00:12:42,904 --> 00:12:43,892 The United States? 237 00:12:43,894 --> 00:12:46,042 Especially the United States. 238 00:12:46,044 --> 00:12:49,082 I mean, how else would you explain all the chaos and mayhem? 239 00:12:49,084 --> 00:12:51,032 Dividing our country right now? 240 00:12:51,034 --> 00:12:55,532 They control us Mr. Dackery and they are everywhere. 241 00:12:55,534 --> 00:12:58,931 They do subliminal messages in our newspapers, magazines, 242 00:12:58,933 --> 00:13:02,262 TV commercials, billboards, internet websites. 243 00:13:02,264 --> 00:13:04,547 Who is doing this Mr. Carter? 244 00:13:06,094 --> 00:13:06,977 Aliens. 245 00:13:07,944 --> 00:13:09,510 Illegal aliens. 246 00:13:09,512 --> 00:13:11,082 No. 247 00:13:11,084 --> 00:13:14,431 No, no, aliens from another universe. 248 00:13:14,433 --> 00:13:16,131 Extra terrestrials. 249 00:13:16,133 --> 00:13:21,133 Those little guys who like to phone home, no doubt. 250 00:13:24,363 --> 00:13:25,851 And I suppose they look like us 251 00:13:25,853 --> 00:13:28,541 which makes it hard for us to see them. 252 00:13:28,543 --> 00:13:30,243 Not unless you're wearing these. 253 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,880 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 254 00:13:37,498 --> 00:13:39,498 (GASPS) 255 00:13:49,336 --> 00:13:52,336 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 256 00:13:55,863 --> 00:13:56,763 What'd I tell you? 257 00:13:58,714 --> 00:14:01,770 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 258 00:14:01,772 --> 00:14:03,795 You're an idiot Mr. Carter. 259 00:14:05,956 --> 00:14:10,640 Alright somebody contact the producers of Finding Bigfoot 260 00:14:10,642 --> 00:14:12,410 and tell 'em we've got another nut ball 261 00:14:12,412 --> 00:14:14,330 that's looking for his own reality show. 262 00:14:14,332 --> 00:14:15,840 I have a PHD in 263 00:14:15,842 --> 00:14:19,050 Neuro Extra Terrestrial Science from Cambridge. 264 00:14:19,052 --> 00:14:20,510 And you told me you believed me, 265 00:14:20,512 --> 00:14:22,620 and you wanted to enlighten the world 266 00:14:22,622 --> 00:14:24,920 and bring this important matter to the light. 267 00:14:24,922 --> 00:14:26,300 And now you. 268 00:14:26,302 --> 00:14:27,265 Oh you're rude. 269 00:14:30,332 --> 00:14:31,770 No doubt. 270 00:14:31,772 --> 00:14:32,915 (TV AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 271 00:14:32,917 --> 00:14:33,830 (LAUGHS) 272 00:14:33,832 --> 00:14:34,670 Hi Betsy. 273 00:14:34,672 --> 00:14:36,300 Mrs. Poscotti. 274 00:14:36,302 --> 00:14:38,720 I really like the look of this place. 275 00:14:38,722 --> 00:14:42,389 Oh thanks, we just finished remodeling last week. 276 00:14:42,391 --> 00:14:43,910 (LAUGHS) 277 00:14:43,912 --> 00:14:46,230 You don't have an appointment. 278 00:14:46,232 --> 00:14:47,734 But I have a concern. 279 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:50,319 Concern? 280 00:14:50,321 --> 00:14:51,499 You remember that tooth 281 00:14:51,501 --> 00:14:53,239 that the dentist couldn't put back in? 282 00:14:53,241 --> 00:14:54,309 Yeah. 283 00:14:54,311 --> 00:14:56,322 I've given it more than enough time 284 00:14:56,324 --> 00:14:59,349 but I just can't go on eating without it. 285 00:14:59,351 --> 00:15:02,159 It's caused a lot of lopsided chewing, 286 00:15:02,161 --> 00:15:03,289 as I knew it would. 287 00:15:03,291 --> 00:15:06,749 So, I need him to pull the one on the other side. 288 00:15:06,751 --> 00:15:08,259 You know, for balance. 289 00:15:08,261 --> 00:15:09,114 Balance. 290 00:15:09,983 --> 00:15:10,949 Um (LAUGHS). 291 00:15:10,951 --> 00:15:14,204 I'm assuming there's nothing wrong with the other tooth? 292 00:15:14,206 --> 00:15:15,354 No, no. 293 00:15:18,981 --> 00:15:21,125 Mrs. Poscotti. 294 00:15:21,127 --> 00:15:26,127 I am sure that the dentist will not pull a healthy tooth. 295 00:15:27,911 --> 00:15:30,839 It would have to be infected or cracked. 296 00:15:30,841 --> 00:15:31,804 Oh, okay. 297 00:15:33,621 --> 00:15:36,370 (CHEERFUL MUSIC) 298 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:38,803 I'll see what I can do. 299 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,233 Mrs. Poscotti wait. 300 00:15:49,693 --> 00:15:52,360 (PHONE RINGING) 301 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:03,393 Hello. 302 00:16:14,010 --> 00:16:15,768 How have you been? 303 00:16:15,770 --> 00:16:16,653 I've been good. 304 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:19,660 Heavens to Betsy. 305 00:16:20,630 --> 00:16:21,703 I'd like to read it. 306 00:16:23,139 --> 00:16:26,022 An associate of mine, Stacey Blair told me about it. 307 00:16:35,529 --> 00:16:37,807 I'm sorry Miss Westphal, 308 00:16:37,809 --> 00:16:39,712 haven't we been here before? 309 00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:44,447 It's obvious there are still some bad feelings 310 00:16:44,449 --> 00:16:45,597 about what happened. 311 00:16:45,599 --> 00:16:48,357 Otherwise you would have sent me a copy of the manuscript 312 00:16:48,359 --> 00:16:50,867 instead of me finding out about it from other agents 313 00:16:50,869 --> 00:16:51,969 through the grapevine. 314 00:16:52,869 --> 00:16:54,202 And I understand. 315 00:16:55,959 --> 00:16:58,677 And there's probably no way I can convince you 316 00:16:58,679 --> 00:16:59,827 I did nothing wrong. 317 00:16:59,829 --> 00:17:02,047 So, I'm not even going to try. 318 00:17:02,049 --> 00:17:05,702 Instead, let me make it up to you. 319 00:17:05,704 --> 00:17:07,257 Give me a chance to read the book 320 00:17:07,259 --> 00:17:09,567 and if it's as good as Stacey says it is, 321 00:17:09,569 --> 00:17:10,819 we'll take it from there. 322 00:17:12,558 --> 00:17:14,621 What have you got to lose? 323 00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:18,627 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 324 00:17:22,333 --> 00:17:23,166 Well. 325 00:17:25,598 --> 00:17:26,431 Should I? 326 00:17:27,897 --> 00:17:30,230 (CAT MEOWS) 327 00:17:31,268 --> 00:17:32,101 Okay. 328 00:17:34,015 --> 00:17:35,565 You better be right about this. 329 00:17:39,869 --> 00:17:41,869 (SIGHS) 330 00:17:44,531 --> 00:17:47,531 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 331 00:18:00,647 --> 00:18:02,170 I'm very impressed. 332 00:18:04,157 --> 00:18:05,085 Thanks. 333 00:18:05,087 --> 00:18:06,825 I like the story, 334 00:18:06,827 --> 00:18:09,835 the whole idea of God answering the main character's prayers 335 00:18:09,837 --> 00:18:11,630 all at once is very clever. 336 00:18:13,173 --> 00:18:14,385 Thanks. 337 00:18:14,387 --> 00:18:16,335 The story has been done before of course. 338 00:18:16,337 --> 00:18:18,245 It's A Wonderful Life and such, 339 00:18:18,247 --> 00:18:22,065 but it's so sweet, so heartfelt 340 00:18:22,067 --> 00:18:24,470 and what happens with the sister, heartbreaking. 341 00:18:26,357 --> 00:18:27,635 I also like the whole thing 342 00:18:27,637 --> 00:18:30,255 about the main character being a writer of children's books 343 00:18:30,257 --> 00:18:31,610 with dreams of success. 344 00:18:33,437 --> 00:18:35,915 Inspired by personal experiences. 345 00:18:35,917 --> 00:18:36,748 Uh huh. 346 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:39,765 The main character even has a similar name Betsy Simmons. 347 00:18:39,767 --> 00:18:42,555 I've never named a character after myself before. 348 00:18:42,557 --> 00:18:43,388 Uh huh. 349 00:18:43,390 --> 00:18:45,718 However, I did not like the publisher 350 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,799 who may have been a con artist. 351 00:18:54,136 --> 00:18:54,969 Sorry. 352 00:18:56,836 --> 00:18:59,769 All writers draw from experience one way or another. 353 00:19:00,816 --> 00:19:03,494 Even if your facts weren't quite right. 354 00:19:03,496 --> 00:19:04,329 Anyway. 355 00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:08,924 Even though most would consider it a religious novel, 356 00:19:08,926 --> 00:19:11,314 I think the story has great crossover appeal 357 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:13,949 to both religious and mainstream markets. 358 00:19:15,156 --> 00:19:16,764 I know a couple of publishers 359 00:19:16,766 --> 00:19:18,566 who might be interested in the book. 360 00:19:19,806 --> 00:19:23,226 But, before I can send it to them 361 00:19:25,086 --> 00:19:28,249 I need to become your agent. 362 00:19:37,555 --> 00:19:38,648 No money up front. 363 00:19:42,095 --> 00:19:45,863 I get the usual 15% but only when they pay. 364 00:19:45,865 --> 00:19:47,565 I'm willing to do this if you are? 365 00:19:50,165 --> 00:19:51,718 If you will trust me? 366 00:19:58,144 --> 00:19:58,977 Okay. 367 00:20:02,210 --> 00:20:04,960 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 368 00:21:11,443 --> 00:21:13,000 He did it Wishes. 369 00:21:13,002 --> 00:21:14,811 (CAT MEOWS) 370 00:21:14,813 --> 00:21:17,016 God is still answering my prayers. 371 00:21:18,281 --> 00:21:21,031 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 372 00:21:49,972 --> 00:21:52,305 (CAT MEOWS) 373 00:22:10,672 --> 00:22:13,744 You don't start helping out, you're not getting any of this. 374 00:22:13,746 --> 00:22:16,079 (CAT MEOWS) 375 00:22:18,015 --> 00:22:20,765 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 376 00:22:30,646 --> 00:22:31,479 Perfect. 377 00:22:37,179 --> 00:22:40,262 (FUNKY UPBEAT MUSIC) 378 00:22:46,844 --> 00:22:49,736 (PEACEFUL PIANO MUSIC) 379 00:22:49,738 --> 00:22:52,738 (PEOPLE CHATTERING) 380 00:22:57,541 --> 00:22:59,694 Terrence has a very unique writing style. 381 00:23:02,153 --> 00:23:04,986 (DOORBELL CHIMES) 382 00:23:07,885 --> 00:23:10,329 Ann, good to see you. 383 00:23:10,331 --> 00:23:12,369 Dorothy, how's he doing? 384 00:23:12,371 --> 00:23:15,559 You know Terrence, he's working the room the best he can. 385 00:23:15,561 --> 00:23:18,399 Dorothy, this is Betsy Simon, she's the author of... 386 00:23:18,401 --> 00:23:20,819 Heavens to Betsy, yeah. 387 00:23:20,821 --> 00:23:22,589 So you've read it? 388 00:23:22,591 --> 00:23:24,859 No, but I've heard a lot about it. 389 00:23:24,861 --> 00:23:26,549 I'll take your coats. 390 00:23:26,551 --> 00:23:28,479 Help yourself to finger food and drinks 391 00:23:28,481 --> 00:23:30,654 and I'll let Terrence know you're here. 392 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:38,538 Mostly mainstream authors and PR people here. 393 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:39,918 I'll introduce you to them later, 394 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,458 be yourself, talk, mingle. 395 00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:44,560 That's why we're here. 396 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,028 But stay away from the religious aspects of the book. 397 00:23:50,030 --> 00:23:52,218 We need to focus on the mainstream audience, 398 00:23:52,220 --> 00:23:53,768 keep it low key for now. 399 00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:56,388 There may already be an 800 pound white gorilla in the room 400 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:57,928 from the title alone. 401 00:23:57,930 --> 00:23:58,763 Ciao. 402 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:09,043 A white gorilla? 403 00:24:11,586 --> 00:24:14,948 I think we've got Simon and Garfunkel, England, um. 404 00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:16,380 Peter and Gordon. 405 00:24:16,382 --> 00:24:18,142 - Yes. - Your age is showing. 406 00:24:18,144 --> 00:24:19,387 (LAUGHING) 407 00:24:19,389 --> 00:24:21,028 Well let it. 408 00:24:21,030 --> 00:24:23,877 It was a better time, magical. 409 00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:27,067 Speaking of magical, love the book. 410 00:24:27,069 --> 00:24:28,527 Oh well thank you. 411 00:24:28,529 --> 00:24:29,360 Me too. 412 00:24:29,362 --> 00:24:30,772 So you've read it? 413 00:24:30,774 --> 00:24:34,344 No, but I've heard of it. 414 00:24:34,346 --> 00:24:37,777 Well, I did and it was wonderful. 415 00:24:37,779 --> 00:24:40,507 It reminded me a little bit of the movie, The Family Man, 416 00:24:40,509 --> 00:24:42,507 you know the one with Nicolas Cage. 417 00:24:42,509 --> 00:24:43,782 Oh so it's fiction? 418 00:24:47,019 --> 00:24:47,997 Yes. 419 00:24:47,999 --> 00:24:49,487 Oh tell us a little bit about it 420 00:24:49,489 --> 00:24:51,642 from the mouth and the mind of the author. 421 00:24:54,419 --> 00:24:57,387 Well it follows the lead character, Betsy Simmons. 422 00:24:57,389 --> 00:24:58,220 Simon. 423 00:24:58,222 --> 00:24:59,857 - Simmons. - Oh. 424 00:24:59,859 --> 00:25:01,487 She is a children's book author 425 00:25:01,489 --> 00:25:04,267 who prays for a big publishing deal to happen 426 00:25:04,269 --> 00:25:06,977 and then when it doesn't she blames God 427 00:25:06,979 --> 00:25:11,978 for not answering that, or any of her other prayers ever. 428 00:25:12,048 --> 00:25:14,766 Then all of a sudden, He does. 429 00:25:14,768 --> 00:25:17,141 He answers all of them at once. 430 00:25:18,198 --> 00:25:22,201 So it's like the book The Shack, a book about God. 431 00:25:24,598 --> 00:25:25,606 No. 432 00:25:25,608 --> 00:25:27,361 It's doing very well. 433 00:25:28,248 --> 00:25:29,198 A Christian book? 434 00:25:30,558 --> 00:25:31,656 No. 435 00:25:31,658 --> 00:25:34,120 It's a book everyone can enjoy. 436 00:25:34,122 --> 00:25:34,955 Hmm. 437 00:25:36,988 --> 00:25:39,726 It's such a heartfelt, delightful story. 438 00:25:39,728 --> 00:25:41,271 You'll laugh, you'll cry. 439 00:25:45,483 --> 00:25:50,483 (CLEARS THROAT) Are you just as bored as I am? 440 00:25:52,898 --> 00:25:54,716 It could be worse. 441 00:25:54,718 --> 00:25:56,601 Beats moving around new furniture. 442 00:25:59,447 --> 00:26:03,470 Are you an author, an agent or other? 443 00:26:04,947 --> 00:26:05,780 An author. 444 00:26:07,777 --> 00:26:08,610 And you? 445 00:26:11,832 --> 00:26:14,680 A friend of a friend of the wife of the host. 446 00:26:16,489 --> 00:26:17,435 Oh. 447 00:26:17,437 --> 00:26:18,501 (LAUGHS) 448 00:26:18,503 --> 00:26:19,535 Other 449 00:26:19,537 --> 00:26:20,370 Yeah. 450 00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:22,740 What's the name of your book? 451 00:26:24,617 --> 00:26:25,870 Heavens to Betsy. 452 00:26:26,937 --> 00:26:29,210 And I'm sure you haven't read it. 453 00:26:30,797 --> 00:26:32,045 No. 454 00:26:32,047 --> 00:26:32,880 Of course not. 455 00:26:34,037 --> 00:26:35,387 Interesting title though. 456 00:26:38,887 --> 00:26:39,720 How's that? 457 00:26:41,207 --> 00:26:43,230 The phrase Heavens to Betsy. 458 00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:48,484 (LAUGHS) 459 00:26:48,486 --> 00:26:50,084 Alright. 460 00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:55,086 It's a mild American exclamation of shock or surprise. 461 00:26:55,506 --> 00:26:58,944 It's dated, only really encountered in print 462 00:26:58,946 --> 00:27:00,646 and then most often as 463 00:27:01,736 --> 00:27:04,189 an evocation of times past. 464 00:27:05,416 --> 00:27:08,584 It was also used as a substitute for swearing, 465 00:27:08,586 --> 00:27:12,354 but where it comes from nobody has the slightest idea. 466 00:27:12,356 --> 00:27:13,920 Betsy. 467 00:27:13,922 --> 00:27:14,755 Betsy. 468 00:27:16,536 --> 00:27:17,369 I gotta go. 469 00:27:18,286 --> 00:27:20,989 I guess you'll just have to buy it to find out. 470 00:27:22,676 --> 00:27:23,526 Nice meeting you. 471 00:27:29,846 --> 00:27:30,679 Hello. 472 00:27:32,326 --> 00:27:33,261 Yeah. 473 00:27:33,263 --> 00:27:35,845 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 474 00:27:40,215 --> 00:27:41,088 Betsy Simon. 475 00:27:42,875 --> 00:27:43,708 Yes (LAUGHS). 476 00:27:45,535 --> 00:27:46,542 Terrence McAfee. 477 00:27:46,544 --> 00:27:47,725 The host. 478 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:51,703 But, not a very good one as you can see 479 00:27:51,705 --> 00:27:54,053 by how long it's taken me to finally speak to you. 480 00:27:54,055 --> 00:27:55,558 Oh no, hi. 481 00:27:56,445 --> 00:27:57,278 Welcome. 482 00:28:01,405 --> 00:28:05,352 So I'm um, I'm told we have something in common. 483 00:28:05,354 --> 00:28:07,288 (COUGHS) The same agent. 484 00:28:08,571 --> 00:28:10,693 Oh, yes. 485 00:28:10,695 --> 00:28:12,003 She any good? 486 00:28:12,005 --> 00:28:13,780 (LAUGHING) 487 00:28:13,782 --> 00:28:16,068 Oh I like you already. 488 00:28:16,925 --> 00:28:17,758 Is she? 489 00:28:19,675 --> 00:28:23,854 Yes, but don't feel obligated to tell her that. 490 00:28:30,478 --> 00:28:32,422 Yep, she knows her stuff. 491 00:28:32,424 --> 00:28:35,371 She can come off a bit cold, or you know, 492 00:28:35,373 --> 00:28:36,665 impersonal at times. 493 00:28:36,667 --> 00:28:38,537 It's the nature of the beast. 494 00:28:39,459 --> 00:28:42,927 Do what she says, you'll make a lot of money. 495 00:28:43,894 --> 00:28:47,402 Your book, now I'm told it's doing really well. 496 00:28:47,404 --> 00:28:49,302 Oh, yes, yes. 497 00:28:49,304 --> 00:28:51,977 I've been blessed. 498 00:28:53,434 --> 00:28:55,037 So you're a Christian writer? 499 00:29:00,597 --> 00:29:02,430 Uh, no, not exactly. 500 00:29:05,844 --> 00:29:07,477 I'm just curious. 501 00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:17,303 (PEACEFUL HYMNAL MUSIC) 502 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,581 Ah, you in a hurry? 503 00:29:29,583 --> 00:29:31,641 There is an Elvis Presley movie marathon on 504 00:29:31,643 --> 00:29:34,636 this afternoon and Clambake comes on at two. 505 00:29:34,638 --> 00:29:36,911 Oh Clambake, is that a movie? 506 00:29:36,913 --> 00:29:37,956 Oh it's a classic. 507 00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:42,001 Wow, well I didn't know you were an Elvis fan. 508 00:29:42,003 --> 00:29:43,631 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 509 00:29:43,633 --> 00:29:44,464 Thank you. 510 00:29:44,466 --> 00:29:46,311 Thank you very much. 511 00:29:46,313 --> 00:29:47,691 It's really just all in the lip. 512 00:29:47,693 --> 00:29:50,026 - Oh. - Oh okay. 513 00:29:51,163 --> 00:29:53,381 Okay, just this one. 514 00:29:53,383 --> 00:29:54,541 Whoa, whoa, something's happening here, 515 00:29:54,543 --> 00:29:55,374 something's different. 516 00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:56,207 Um. 517 00:29:56,209 --> 00:29:58,650 Oh, no glasses. 518 00:29:58,652 --> 00:30:00,250 Yep, the book sales are doing well 519 00:30:00,252 --> 00:30:03,733 so I finally saved enough money for Lasik. 520 00:30:03,735 --> 00:30:04,720 Nice. 521 00:30:04,722 --> 00:30:07,540 Speaking of the book, tell me you've read it. 522 00:30:07,542 --> 00:30:10,205 I'm so sorry I haven't, but I promise I will. 523 00:30:11,392 --> 00:30:12,225 Oh okay. 524 00:30:16,422 --> 00:30:20,818 Hypothetically, would it be okay 525 00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:25,820 for someone to keep their faith low key 526 00:30:27,412 --> 00:30:28,725 for the sake of success? 527 00:30:29,662 --> 00:30:30,493 Low key? 528 00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:32,080 The other day I went to a party with Ann 529 00:30:32,082 --> 00:30:33,920 to promote my book. 530 00:30:33,922 --> 00:30:36,320 And of course there were a lot of people there 531 00:30:36,322 --> 00:30:39,485 associated with the mainstream market. 532 00:30:40,922 --> 00:30:43,770 So Ann told me that I needed to keep the faith aspects 533 00:30:43,772 --> 00:30:46,558 of my book out of conversations with others. 534 00:30:48,294 --> 00:30:49,961 PASTOR JOHN: And? 535 00:30:51,731 --> 00:30:53,959 I did what she told me to do. 536 00:30:53,961 --> 00:30:55,397 Hmm. 537 00:30:55,399 --> 00:30:58,734 I pretty much denied my faith and being a Christian. 538 00:31:00,431 --> 00:31:02,149 Three times. 539 00:31:02,151 --> 00:31:03,288 Three times huh? 540 00:31:04,491 --> 00:31:05,741 It was a bit like Peter 541 00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:10,334 and I felt really guilty afterwards. 542 00:31:11,445 --> 00:31:12,399 Whoever denies Me before men 543 00:31:12,401 --> 00:31:14,889 will be denied before the Angels of God. 544 00:31:14,891 --> 00:31:16,089 I know, I know. 545 00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:19,417 Betsy, you know, it's the 21st Century and, 546 00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:21,479 there's so much political correctness 547 00:31:21,481 --> 00:31:23,749 and the fear of being labeled a fanatic, 548 00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:27,354 it just makes it harder than ever to stand for something. 549 00:31:28,381 --> 00:31:29,944 Especially for Him. 550 00:31:31,439 --> 00:31:32,270 I know. 551 00:31:32,272 --> 00:31:34,908 And I don't have a problem doing that one on one, 552 00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:37,018 but in public, I mean that's a whole other story. 553 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:38,698 It's, it's so difficult. 554 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:39,618 I mean in the other life, 555 00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:43,041 I had to speak in front of a group of atheists, it, it... 556 00:31:43,043 --> 00:31:46,791 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 557 00:31:46,793 --> 00:31:51,507 I mean, in the book, the character, Betsy, 558 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,660 had to speak in front of an atheist organization 559 00:31:56,662 --> 00:32:01,662 and it was very, very difficult for her. 560 00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:08,183 Your book has now just gone to the top of my to do list. 561 00:32:10,135 --> 00:32:12,885 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 562 00:32:14,793 --> 00:32:18,384 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 563 00:32:18,386 --> 00:32:20,386 (SIGHS) 564 00:32:41,061 --> 00:32:43,061 (MOANS) 565 00:32:44,909 --> 00:32:46,013 (CAT MEOWS) 566 00:32:46,015 --> 00:32:47,868 I'm really sorry girl. 567 00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:50,537 (PHONE BUZZING) 568 00:32:53,169 --> 00:32:54,237 Hi Ann. 569 00:32:54,239 --> 00:32:56,787 You missed the phone interview with Chicago Magazine. 570 00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:57,622 I did? 571 00:33:01,229 --> 00:33:02,937 I am so sorry. 572 00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:05,787 I'll see what I can do, but this is the second time. 573 00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:07,802 I know, I know. 574 00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:12,936 It's just getting harder to do all these appearances, 575 00:33:12,938 --> 00:33:16,906 and interviews, and still keep my job. 576 00:33:16,908 --> 00:33:18,996 Well if your book keeps selling, 577 00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:21,663 you may not need that job anymore. 578 00:33:21,665 --> 00:33:23,715 I'll reschedule the interview, 579 00:33:23,717 --> 00:33:27,826 but these are busy people with limited availability. 580 00:33:27,828 --> 00:33:31,836 Plus, I've had a request for you to do a podcast appearance. 581 00:33:31,838 --> 00:33:33,338 And what about your next book? 582 00:33:35,108 --> 00:33:36,986 My next book? 583 00:33:36,988 --> 00:33:39,646 Many authors deliver two novels a year. 584 00:33:39,648 --> 00:33:41,876 You're gonna need to start writing soon. 585 00:33:41,878 --> 00:33:42,709 Any ideas? 586 00:33:42,711 --> 00:33:44,176 No. 587 00:33:44,178 --> 00:33:45,686 I haven't really thought about it. 588 00:33:45,688 --> 00:33:47,216 Well you should. 589 00:33:47,218 --> 00:33:49,586 We need to use the exposure gained from this one 590 00:33:49,588 --> 00:33:51,056 to promote the next. 591 00:33:51,058 --> 00:33:52,576 Okay. 592 00:33:52,578 --> 00:33:57,376 Um, I'll start thinking about what I wanna do next. 593 00:33:57,378 --> 00:33:59,355 With all due respect Betsy, 594 00:33:59,357 --> 00:34:03,025 you really should get a better handle on your time. 595 00:34:03,027 --> 00:34:05,965 Have you considered hiring a part time personal assistant? 596 00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:06,800 Okay. 597 00:34:08,059 --> 00:34:08,892 Okay. 598 00:34:11,687 --> 00:34:13,125 I'm really sorry Ann. 599 00:34:13,127 --> 00:34:14,485 We'll talk later. 600 00:34:14,487 --> 00:34:15,440 Kisses to Wishes. 601 00:34:21,164 --> 00:34:24,081 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 602 00:34:28,023 --> 00:34:31,055 (CAT MEOWS) 603 00:34:31,057 --> 00:34:33,607 Where in the world am I gonna find a PA? 604 00:34:39,856 --> 00:34:42,856 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 605 00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:02,484 Good morning. 606 00:35:02,486 --> 00:35:03,636 Hi, how can I help you? 607 00:35:04,826 --> 00:35:05,809 Brian. 608 00:35:06,986 --> 00:35:08,584 Yes. 609 00:35:08,586 --> 00:35:09,419 Have we met? 610 00:35:12,046 --> 00:35:14,201 No, no. 611 00:35:14,203 --> 00:35:15,201 No, no, no. 612 00:35:15,203 --> 00:35:19,074 But I had a feeling it was one of those B names, 613 00:35:19,076 --> 00:35:24,044 you know like Benson or Beltron, nevermind. 614 00:35:24,046 --> 00:35:25,116 What size? 615 00:35:25,118 --> 00:35:26,074 What? 616 00:35:26,076 --> 00:35:26,909 Shoe size. 617 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,563 Oh, oh yes. 618 00:35:30,565 --> 00:35:32,892 A nine. 619 00:35:32,894 --> 00:35:36,018 Well, let me see if we have these in a nine. 620 00:35:37,045 --> 00:35:40,418 Have a seat and I'll be right with you. 621 00:35:45,685 --> 00:35:48,513 Okay, I couldn't find that particular color, 622 00:35:48,515 --> 00:35:51,133 but let's just try this style 623 00:35:51,135 --> 00:35:53,918 and just make sure we get a good fit there first. 624 00:35:57,625 --> 00:35:58,458 Oh my. 625 00:36:00,626 --> 00:36:03,083 What service. 626 00:36:03,085 --> 00:36:05,313 Well, you know we've been in business 627 00:36:05,315 --> 00:36:08,023 for quite some time now 628 00:36:08,025 --> 00:36:10,753 and we do things the way we always have. 629 00:36:10,755 --> 00:36:13,388 Oh I see. 630 00:36:14,382 --> 00:36:18,123 And what do you do here? 631 00:36:18,125 --> 00:36:19,858 I mean are you just a salesman? 632 00:36:22,854 --> 00:36:23,987 I'm the store manager. 633 00:36:24,934 --> 00:36:28,012 Ah, right, right. 634 00:36:28,014 --> 00:36:29,419 No of course. 635 00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:33,110 You're so good at keeping track of things 636 00:36:33,112 --> 00:36:36,162 and numbers and organizing, all of that. 637 00:36:36,164 --> 00:36:37,902 No, that makes sense, that makes perfect sense. 638 00:36:37,904 --> 00:36:40,812 Of course you'd be a store manager. 639 00:36:40,814 --> 00:36:41,647 Perfect. 640 00:36:42,606 --> 00:36:43,437 So how does that feel? 641 00:36:43,439 --> 00:36:45,624 How long have you been doing this? 642 00:36:46,684 --> 00:36:48,182 What? 643 00:36:48,184 --> 00:36:49,802 This. 644 00:36:49,804 --> 00:36:51,197 Managing, the store? 645 00:36:52,364 --> 00:36:53,832 Oh, 26 years. 646 00:36:53,834 --> 00:36:58,446 Hmm, wow and have you ever given any thought 647 00:36:58,448 --> 00:37:01,932 about doing another line of work? 648 00:37:01,934 --> 00:37:05,117 Maybe something similar, but you know, a little different. 649 00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:07,652 I suppose. 650 00:37:07,654 --> 00:37:09,232 See that's kind of what happened to me. 651 00:37:09,234 --> 00:37:13,109 I'm doing something that I've always wanted to do. 652 00:37:13,111 --> 00:37:15,261 How does that feel? 653 00:37:15,263 --> 00:37:16,714 Well, I mean that's why I'm here. 654 00:37:16,716 --> 00:37:18,391 Things are getting out of hand 655 00:37:18,393 --> 00:37:21,281 and I really could use some help keeping it all together. 656 00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:22,626 I, I meant the shoe. 657 00:37:24,283 --> 00:37:25,901 Oh right the shoe. 658 00:37:25,903 --> 00:37:26,736 Um. 659 00:37:28,983 --> 00:37:31,210 It's not really what I'm looking for. 660 00:37:32,736 --> 00:37:33,879 Alright. 661 00:37:33,881 --> 00:37:35,798 And what might that be? 662 00:37:36,813 --> 00:37:37,646 Well. 663 00:37:42,823 --> 00:37:43,656 You. 664 00:37:45,229 --> 00:37:46,060 Me? 665 00:37:46,062 --> 00:37:47,456 I have a proposition for you. 666 00:37:49,293 --> 00:37:51,801 I know it might sound a little weird, 667 00:37:51,803 --> 00:37:54,101 and I don't mean it in any inappropriate way. 668 00:37:54,103 --> 00:37:56,011 No one ever does. 669 00:37:56,013 --> 00:38:00,410 But I wanna talk to you, not here. 670 00:38:00,412 --> 00:38:02,020 Can I buy you lunch? 671 00:38:02,022 --> 00:38:05,730 My name is Betsy Simon, I'm an author. 672 00:38:05,732 --> 00:38:08,940 My latest book Heavens to Betsy is on the bestsellers list. 673 00:38:08,942 --> 00:38:10,850 Oh, congratulations. 674 00:38:10,852 --> 00:38:12,110 Thank you. 675 00:38:12,112 --> 00:38:15,590 The thing is my career is really starting to take off 676 00:38:15,592 --> 00:38:17,400 and I'm losing my mind. 677 00:38:17,402 --> 00:38:19,180 I've worked full time at a dentist office 678 00:38:19,182 --> 00:38:21,275 as a receptionist for a long time now. 679 00:38:22,312 --> 00:38:24,440 And because of the success of the book 680 00:38:24,442 --> 00:38:27,990 I've been doing these interviews, appearances, podcasts, 681 00:38:27,992 --> 00:38:30,201 you name it. 682 00:38:30,203 --> 00:38:33,375 And it's beginning to be a lot more than I can handle. 683 00:38:35,402 --> 00:38:37,390 My agent wants me to start working on my next book, 684 00:38:37,392 --> 00:38:38,540 which I'm trying to do 685 00:38:38,542 --> 00:38:40,810 but it's just getting to be more and more 686 00:38:40,812 --> 00:38:44,635 than I can handle alone. 687 00:38:46,821 --> 00:38:48,071 That's where you come in. 688 00:38:51,001 --> 00:38:51,832 Me? 689 00:38:51,834 --> 00:38:54,619 You're really good at organizing and managing things. 690 00:38:54,621 --> 00:38:58,039 That's why you're a store manager. 691 00:38:58,041 --> 00:38:59,999 Yeah, you were born for that. 692 00:39:00,001 --> 00:39:02,309 So you're planning on opening a shoe store? 693 00:39:02,311 --> 00:39:03,144 Yes. 694 00:39:04,841 --> 00:39:06,454 No, no, no. 695 00:39:07,561 --> 00:39:09,809 I need a PA. 696 00:39:09,811 --> 00:39:10,919 PA? 697 00:39:10,921 --> 00:39:13,829 A personal assistant. 698 00:39:13,831 --> 00:39:14,824 How personal? 699 00:39:16,661 --> 00:39:18,499 You would help me do what I do. 700 00:39:18,501 --> 00:39:20,266 But you write books. 701 00:39:20,268 --> 00:39:21,809 Yeah, yeah I know. 702 00:39:21,811 --> 00:39:24,499 So what does this have to do with shoes? 703 00:39:24,501 --> 00:39:25,739 Nothing. 704 00:39:25,741 --> 00:39:30,009 Alright, well I don't understand why we're talking. 705 00:39:30,011 --> 00:39:31,179 Other than the possibility 706 00:39:31,181 --> 00:39:33,269 that you actually are losing your mind, 707 00:39:33,271 --> 00:39:35,058 in which case I'm not gonna be interested 708 00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:37,788 in any proposal of any kind. 709 00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:38,623 Alright. 710 00:39:40,254 --> 00:39:42,278 I'll tell you the truth. 711 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,688 With God as my witness, maybe he'll intervene. 712 00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:47,658 As crazy as it sounds, 713 00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:51,558 you and I have worked together before. 714 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,540 You were my personal assistant 715 00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:57,078 and you were good at what you did. 716 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,778 And you helped me through some very difficult times, 717 00:39:59,780 --> 00:40:04,318 both professionally and as a friend. 718 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,298 And the reason you don't remember any of this 719 00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,528 is because it happened in an alternate reality 720 00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:11,678 where God was showing me what my life would have been like 721 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,158 had all of my prayers been answered. 722 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,253 It's all in my book. 723 00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:18,388 So I decided to track you down on the internet 724 00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:21,108 and see if, maybe, you wanted to work for me in this life 725 00:40:21,110 --> 00:40:24,022 because you were so good at it in the other one. 726 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:26,512 Right. 727 00:40:28,918 --> 00:40:33,918 Well I, I have to get going Miss Simon. 728 00:40:37,189 --> 00:40:42,189 'Cause I uh, I'm due back on planet Earth. 729 00:40:42,419 --> 00:40:43,252 Wait. 730 00:40:45,809 --> 00:40:46,992 Brian, your watch. 731 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,817 That's the watch that your father gave you 732 00:40:52,819 --> 00:40:54,622 a couple of weeks before he died. 733 00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:59,527 You saw that on the internet? 734 00:40:59,529 --> 00:41:01,057 No, no, no, no. 735 00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:04,782 That was something that you had told me in the other life. 736 00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:09,716 Okay, just think about it alright. 737 00:41:09,718 --> 00:41:12,236 Take my card, think about it. 738 00:41:12,238 --> 00:41:13,736 You wouldn't even have to quit your job. 739 00:41:13,738 --> 00:41:16,756 It'd be part time, I'd show you everything you need to know 740 00:41:16,758 --> 00:41:18,818 and pay you whatever you think is fair. 741 00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:22,887 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 742 00:41:28,628 --> 00:41:31,295 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 743 00:41:35,098 --> 00:41:38,096 This is Tammy Moore, on today's Chi-Town Book Review 744 00:41:38,098 --> 00:41:40,952 my guest is book author Betsy Simon, welcome. 745 00:41:40,954 --> 00:41:43,516 Thanks for having me Tammy. 746 00:41:43,518 --> 00:41:46,466 So your first books which feature your cat Wishes, 747 00:41:46,468 --> 00:41:47,686 you wrote for children. 748 00:41:47,688 --> 00:41:49,846 Heaven to Betsy is clearly an adult novel, 749 00:41:49,848 --> 00:41:52,616 but it does have some childlike elements. 750 00:41:52,618 --> 00:41:54,711 Maybe left over from your earlier books? 751 00:41:56,058 --> 00:41:56,926 How's that? 752 00:41:56,928 --> 00:41:59,135 It reminded me of a children's story. 753 00:41:59,137 --> 00:42:02,500 Like Willy Wonka or Wizard of Oz. 754 00:42:04,317 --> 00:42:05,148 Really? 755 00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:08,365 Hmm-mm, yes it's kind of like an adult morality story 756 00:42:08,367 --> 00:42:11,595 with a childlike, simplistic message of sort. 757 00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:13,925 How big a part did your real experiences play 758 00:42:13,927 --> 00:42:15,480 in creating a work of fiction? 759 00:42:18,167 --> 00:42:19,000 Uh. 760 00:42:24,197 --> 00:42:25,230 It's not fiction. 761 00:42:26,277 --> 00:42:27,575 Sorry? 762 00:42:27,577 --> 00:42:28,527 It's not fiction. 763 00:42:29,687 --> 00:42:33,655 Everything that happened in that book, really happened. 764 00:42:33,657 --> 00:42:35,875 God put me in an alternate reality 765 00:42:35,877 --> 00:42:38,055 and showed me what my world would have been like 766 00:42:38,057 --> 00:42:39,865 had all of my prayers been answered. 767 00:42:39,867 --> 00:42:42,940 Then he put me back and I wrote a book about it. 768 00:42:44,457 --> 00:42:45,484 Brought you back? 769 00:42:45,486 --> 00:42:46,354 Yes. 770 00:42:46,356 --> 00:42:47,224 From where? 771 00:42:47,226 --> 00:42:49,049 An alternate reality. 772 00:42:51,436 --> 00:42:52,269 He did? 773 00:42:53,166 --> 00:42:55,394 Yeah, He did. 774 00:42:55,396 --> 00:42:56,229 God. 775 00:42:59,216 --> 00:43:00,049 God. 776 00:43:03,476 --> 00:43:05,844 And how's that even possible? 777 00:43:05,846 --> 00:43:07,134 Got me. 778 00:43:07,136 --> 00:43:09,274 Well I certainly have a few prayers I'd like answered. 779 00:43:09,276 --> 00:43:10,539 Can you say a few for me? 780 00:43:12,476 --> 00:43:16,244 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 781 00:43:16,246 --> 00:43:18,014 Well you heard it here first everyone. 782 00:43:18,016 --> 00:43:22,934 Betsy Simon's book Heavens to Betsy is based on fact, 783 00:43:22,936 --> 00:43:24,823 not fiction, how about that? 784 00:43:27,042 --> 00:43:30,125 (FUNKY UPBEAT MUSIC) 785 00:43:37,045 --> 00:43:38,963 What are you doing? 786 00:43:38,965 --> 00:43:39,893 Watching TV. 787 00:43:39,895 --> 00:43:41,953 No, the podcast. 788 00:43:41,955 --> 00:43:43,793 I made a promise to tell the truth. 789 00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:45,043 The truth? 790 00:43:45,045 --> 00:43:46,073 I know how it sounds. 791 00:43:46,075 --> 00:43:46,908 Do you? 792 00:43:47,785 --> 00:43:49,733 So you are telling me 793 00:43:49,735 --> 00:43:52,143 and everyone else who watched that podcast 794 00:43:52,145 --> 00:43:54,703 that you traveled to an alternate dimension, 795 00:43:54,705 --> 00:43:58,253 or reality, or universe, or whatever and came back? 796 00:43:58,255 --> 00:43:59,088 Yep. 797 00:44:00,225 --> 00:44:02,553 Are you sure that was the right decision? 798 00:44:02,555 --> 00:44:03,793 Nope. 799 00:44:03,795 --> 00:44:04,628 Uh huh. 800 00:44:05,465 --> 00:44:07,223 I don't know what you're going for here. 801 00:44:07,225 --> 00:44:09,663 But crazy is no way to sell books! 802 00:44:09,665 --> 00:44:12,163 I can't keep doing damage control. 803 00:44:12,165 --> 00:44:14,073 If I can't trust you to stay on message 804 00:44:14,075 --> 00:44:18,423 I can't send you out to interviews or podcast appearances. 805 00:44:18,425 --> 00:44:20,733 If you're gonna keep saying things like this, 806 00:44:20,735 --> 00:44:22,192 I need to know about them. 807 00:44:22,194 --> 00:44:23,682 Are we on the same page? 808 00:44:23,684 --> 00:44:24,515 Yes. 809 00:44:24,517 --> 00:44:26,727 I'm serious, you'll let me know? 810 00:44:27,621 --> 00:44:32,621 I'm letting you know, right now. 811 00:44:32,694 --> 00:44:33,682 What do you mean? 812 00:44:33,684 --> 00:44:35,702 I've gotta go, we'll talk later. 813 00:44:35,704 --> 00:44:37,026 Betsy? 814 00:44:37,028 --> 00:44:40,028 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 815 00:44:41,350 --> 00:44:42,462 What'd I miss? 816 00:44:42,464 --> 00:44:44,442 During a live podcast, 817 00:44:44,444 --> 00:44:48,237 I did what I felt was the right thing to do in God's eyes, 818 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,239 and I told the interviewer that the book wasn't fiction. 819 00:44:56,834 --> 00:44:58,085 Okey doke. 820 00:44:58,087 --> 00:45:01,472 Okay, so if what you're saying is true 821 00:45:01,474 --> 00:45:04,722 and let's just say for the sake of this very strange, 822 00:45:04,724 --> 00:45:07,467 but very interesting conversation that it is. 823 00:45:09,363 --> 00:45:10,961 Why are you telling me all this? 824 00:45:10,963 --> 00:45:12,911 Because you read the book. 825 00:45:12,913 --> 00:45:14,613 You believed me in the other life. 826 00:45:15,953 --> 00:45:17,831 But not 'til the end of the book. 827 00:45:17,833 --> 00:45:21,286 Well does it have to take that long this time? 828 00:45:22,933 --> 00:45:24,601 I just thought because it was me, 829 00:45:24,603 --> 00:45:27,621 Betsy Simon, in this reality, the one that you knew, 830 00:45:27,623 --> 00:45:31,271 that you would believe me. 831 00:45:31,273 --> 00:45:36,121 So, Sandy in the book, is your sister Sally? 832 00:45:36,123 --> 00:45:36,961 Yes. 833 00:45:36,963 --> 00:45:41,963 And then when God put Betsy, well you, back into this life 834 00:45:44,393 --> 00:45:46,111 you had to lose her again. 835 00:45:46,113 --> 00:45:48,463 Why would you write about something so painful? 836 00:45:53,743 --> 00:45:54,843 Because it happened. 837 00:45:56,473 --> 00:46:00,235 I really need for you to believe me. 838 00:46:01,262 --> 00:46:03,500 Things are gonna get complicated from here on out 839 00:46:03,502 --> 00:46:04,610 now that I've told the truth. 840 00:46:04,612 --> 00:46:07,530 Betsy, you know, I've always been here for you and your family 841 00:46:07,532 --> 00:46:10,160 and I will do my best to be here 842 00:46:10,162 --> 00:46:11,862 for whatever you're going through. 843 00:46:12,932 --> 00:46:16,635 Whether it's in this, or any reality. 844 00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:19,775 I'll take it. 845 00:46:20,869 --> 00:46:23,619 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 846 00:46:31,712 --> 00:46:32,740 Hello. 847 00:46:32,742 --> 00:46:33,573 Miss Simon. 848 00:46:33,575 --> 00:46:34,820 Brian. 849 00:46:34,822 --> 00:46:37,893 I'm calling to let you know that 850 00:46:37,895 --> 00:46:42,895 I'm not a compulsive man and I never do anything 851 00:46:43,132 --> 00:46:45,729 without doing plenty of research first. 852 00:46:45,731 --> 00:46:48,299 So I bought your book 853 00:46:48,301 --> 00:46:50,759 and I watched the podcast that you were on. 854 00:46:50,761 --> 00:46:52,179 You didn't have to buy the book, 855 00:46:52,181 --> 00:46:53,949 I would've given you a copy. 856 00:46:53,951 --> 00:46:55,169 Well that's very nice of you, 857 00:46:55,171 --> 00:46:57,859 but considering the circumstances that's not necessary. 858 00:46:57,861 --> 00:47:00,269 That's what I liked about you. 859 00:47:00,271 --> 00:47:01,199 Like. 860 00:47:01,201 --> 00:47:02,534 That's what I like. 861 00:47:03,471 --> 00:47:08,050 Before this becomes another episode from The Twilight Zone 862 00:47:08,052 --> 00:47:11,359 I just want to say that I have decided, 863 00:47:11,361 --> 00:47:16,361 that no matter how I much I love my job in shoe sales, 864 00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:20,639 I think it's time to explore other means of income. 865 00:47:20,641 --> 00:47:23,519 So I accept your offer. 866 00:47:23,521 --> 00:47:28,214 And we can, we can talk about the salary next time we meet. 867 00:47:29,271 --> 00:47:30,184 That's great. 868 00:47:32,681 --> 00:47:34,478 I'm a little busy over here, so I've gotta go, 869 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,258 but I will call you later 870 00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:38,460 with a time and a place that we can meet up. 871 00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:41,958 Thank you. 872 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,925 Well, you're welcome. 873 00:47:43,927 --> 00:47:46,010 (LAUGHS) 874 00:47:49,729 --> 00:47:54,569 Mrs. Potterman, how good to see you again. 875 00:47:54,571 --> 00:47:57,654 (FUNKY UPBEAT MUSIC) 876 00:47:59,282 --> 00:48:00,385 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 877 00:48:00,387 --> 00:48:02,554 (SOBBING) 878 00:48:03,813 --> 00:48:05,833 Mrs. Poscotti, what's wrong? 879 00:48:05,835 --> 00:48:08,002 (SOBBING) 880 00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:12,138 No Mrs. Poscotti, you didn't? 881 00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:14,138 Of course not, I paid the newspaper kid. 882 00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:15,317 Can we do this now? 883 00:48:16,355 --> 00:48:18,522 (SOBBING) 884 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,774 (FUNKY UPBEAT MUSIC) 885 00:48:32,776 --> 00:48:35,607 (TV AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 886 00:48:35,609 --> 00:48:37,597 We're here with our guest Caroline Hopper 887 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,577 from the organization known as N.O.G.O.D. 888 00:48:40,579 --> 00:48:44,893 A national organization dedicated to getting out deities 889 00:48:44,895 --> 00:48:46,647 in our society. 890 00:48:46,649 --> 00:48:48,167 Thank you Tandom. 891 00:48:48,169 --> 00:48:50,819 So Caroline, for the sake of our viewers 892 00:48:51,743 --> 00:48:53,557 who are unfamiliar with you and your organization, 893 00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:55,017 it's been around for how long now? 894 00:48:55,019 --> 00:48:58,747 It officially began three years ago this November. 895 00:48:58,749 --> 00:49:00,417 (LAUGHS) 896 00:49:00,419 --> 00:49:04,964 And, it's basically another organization 897 00:49:04,966 --> 00:49:07,451 that's attempting to re-enforce 898 00:49:07,453 --> 00:49:09,296 the separation of Church and State. 899 00:49:09,298 --> 00:49:11,866 Oh no no, Tandom, we're much more than that. 900 00:49:11,868 --> 00:49:14,356 We at N.O.G.O.D. are against all forms 901 00:49:14,358 --> 00:49:17,126 of subliminal force fed religion, 902 00:49:17,128 --> 00:49:20,116 even within the context of everyday terms and phrases. 903 00:49:20,118 --> 00:49:21,706 Can you give us an example? 904 00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:24,620 CAROLINE: Hmm, sneezing. 905 00:49:24,622 --> 00:49:26,116 Sneezing? 906 00:49:26,118 --> 00:49:30,205 Well not sneezing itself, but the response God bless you. 907 00:49:30,207 --> 00:49:32,126 (LAUGHS) 908 00:49:32,128 --> 00:49:35,486 Okay, so you're saying that 909 00:49:35,488 --> 00:49:38,336 somebody could be doing this out of habit 910 00:49:38,338 --> 00:49:41,140 and be completely unaware that it's happening. 911 00:49:41,142 --> 00:49:43,636 Yes (LAUGHS). 912 00:49:43,638 --> 00:49:44,886 Interesting. 913 00:49:44,888 --> 00:49:46,586 So who's behind this Miss Hopper? 914 00:49:46,588 --> 00:49:48,856 Well, all perpetrators are unknown 915 00:49:48,858 --> 00:49:51,836 in any proposed conspiracy Mr. Dackery. 916 00:49:51,838 --> 00:49:53,726 Conspiracy? 917 00:49:53,728 --> 00:49:54,996 No doubt. 918 00:49:54,998 --> 00:49:56,396 Well being agnostic yourself 919 00:49:56,398 --> 00:50:00,295 I'm sure you can agree that religious agenda is everywhere, 920 00:50:00,297 --> 00:50:03,445 it's sometimes very deep inside simple things. 921 00:50:03,447 --> 00:50:06,635 Of course, but something a little more obvious? 922 00:50:06,637 --> 00:50:08,375 Well just the other day I was watching a podcast 923 00:50:08,377 --> 00:50:12,145 with a young author who wrote a book about God 924 00:50:12,147 --> 00:50:15,995 placing her in an alternate universe to teach her a lesson. 925 00:50:15,997 --> 00:50:18,475 And then transporting her back. 926 00:50:18,477 --> 00:50:19,695 TANDOM: Back where? 927 00:50:19,697 --> 00:50:21,725 Well back to this universe, 928 00:50:21,727 --> 00:50:24,455 kind of like Alice in Wonderland. 929 00:50:24,457 --> 00:50:27,285 I didn't read the book, I only watched the podcast 930 00:50:27,287 --> 00:50:29,255 because someone told me that N.O.G.O.D. 931 00:50:29,257 --> 00:50:30,475 is mentioned in the book. 932 00:50:30,477 --> 00:50:33,444 There's even a character that resembles me (LAUGHS). 933 00:50:34,967 --> 00:50:37,940 - Really? - Yes (LAUGHS). 934 00:50:37,942 --> 00:50:40,510 Does she have an obnoxious giggle? 935 00:50:44,097 --> 00:50:46,259 I'm sorry, giggle? 936 00:50:50,381 --> 00:50:52,904 You're so bad. 937 00:50:52,906 --> 00:50:54,347 Thank you. 938 00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:55,432 Great show. 939 00:50:56,539 --> 00:50:57,959 She's a nut. 940 00:50:57,961 --> 00:51:01,649 Yeah, I know who she was talking about. 941 00:51:01,651 --> 00:51:06,504 That author, that wrote that book Heavens to Betsy, 942 00:51:06,506 --> 00:51:09,919 I saw a clip of the podcast on Facebook. 943 00:51:09,921 --> 00:51:12,794 Pretty weird stuff. 944 00:51:12,796 --> 00:51:13,627 How's that? 945 00:51:13,629 --> 00:51:17,114 Thing is, she really believes 946 00:51:17,116 --> 00:51:19,729 she was in an alternate universe, 947 00:51:19,731 --> 00:51:22,534 just like Alice in Wonderland, 948 00:51:22,536 --> 00:51:25,044 and returned and wrote a book about it. 949 00:51:25,046 --> 00:51:26,294 No doubt. 950 00:51:26,296 --> 00:51:29,814 Like Miss Hopper said, she could be just doing it 951 00:51:29,816 --> 00:51:31,894 to increase her book sales. 952 00:51:31,896 --> 00:51:33,223 So? 953 00:51:33,225 --> 00:51:35,748 You said you needed some more filler shows, 954 00:51:36,825 --> 00:51:41,543 Tandom in Wonderland. 955 00:51:41,545 --> 00:51:43,743 Think of what you could do with that? 956 00:51:43,745 --> 00:51:46,563 We just did a show with a delusional woman 957 00:51:46,565 --> 00:51:48,573 who doesn't believe in God, 958 00:51:48,575 --> 00:51:52,318 how about one about a delusional woman who does? 959 00:51:56,865 --> 00:51:58,673 Put someone on it. 960 00:51:58,675 --> 00:51:59,648 Already did. 961 00:52:01,237 --> 00:52:03,987 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 962 00:52:07,454 --> 00:52:10,537 (FUNKY UPBEAT MUSIC) 963 00:52:14,135 --> 00:52:15,853 Well I think that about covers it. 964 00:52:15,855 --> 00:52:17,105 You should be good to go. 965 00:52:22,724 --> 00:52:23,557 BRIAN: What? 966 00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:27,510 Is that new? 967 00:52:27,512 --> 00:52:31,282 Well I just bought it, why? 968 00:52:31,284 --> 00:52:33,534 You just had one like it in the other life. 969 00:52:34,864 --> 00:52:37,947 Well, where do you think I got the idea for it? 970 00:52:42,922 --> 00:52:43,962 What was it like? 971 00:52:43,964 --> 00:52:46,682 What was what like? 972 00:52:46,684 --> 00:52:47,837 The other life? 973 00:52:49,504 --> 00:52:50,547 It was unreal. 974 00:52:52,194 --> 00:52:53,622 Everything was the same. 975 00:52:53,624 --> 00:52:58,624 The people, the places, I was there but I was somebody else. 976 00:53:02,424 --> 00:53:06,667 Betsy Simmons-Burnett, the famous children's book author. 977 00:53:08,344 --> 00:53:09,176 Yeah. 978 00:53:10,563 --> 00:53:13,531 Except for there I was Betsy Simon-Bennett. 979 00:53:13,533 --> 00:53:17,780 Fame, fortune, it all became so important. 980 00:53:20,797 --> 00:53:22,986 And I turned my back on my family, 981 00:53:25,143 --> 00:53:26,546 and most important, God. 982 00:53:27,793 --> 00:53:29,131 Aren't you afraid that maybe 983 00:53:29,133 --> 00:53:31,661 you'll go down that same path again? 984 00:53:31,663 --> 00:53:33,921 No, I know that I'm human 985 00:53:33,923 --> 00:53:35,576 and that I'm gonna make mistakes. 986 00:53:37,103 --> 00:53:41,301 But as long as I put God first, I'm in good hands. 987 00:53:41,303 --> 00:53:45,526 Not your will, but His will be done. 988 00:53:48,054 --> 00:53:50,346 (LAUGHS) Exactly. 989 00:53:51,283 --> 00:53:55,001 Well, I've got to get going. 990 00:53:55,003 --> 00:54:00,002 I have a lot of reading to catch up on. 991 00:54:00,932 --> 00:54:05,932 Oh and I'm just curious, in the book you said 992 00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:09,115 that you changed all the names of the characters, 993 00:54:10,352 --> 00:54:12,025 so why didn't you change mine? 994 00:54:16,093 --> 00:54:21,093 Um, I guess because you were from the other life, 995 00:54:23,872 --> 00:54:26,150 I didn't think it'd matter 996 00:54:26,152 --> 00:54:29,510 and to be honest I wasn't even sure that you existed. 997 00:54:29,512 --> 00:54:30,345 Maybe I don't. 998 00:54:36,612 --> 00:54:41,040 Well for what it's worth, it's great to have you back. 999 00:54:41,042 --> 00:54:43,669 Well, I'll have to take your word for it. 1000 00:54:51,711 --> 00:54:52,564 Have a good day. 1001 00:55:02,505 --> 00:55:05,338 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1002 00:55:17,781 --> 00:55:18,614 BETSY: Hi. 1003 00:55:21,401 --> 00:55:22,839 Oh hi. 1004 00:55:22,841 --> 00:55:24,505 Mind if I join you? 1005 00:55:24,507 --> 00:55:28,638 Uh, no, no, not at all. 1006 00:55:31,871 --> 00:55:33,098 Betsy Simon. 1007 00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:34,208 The author right? 1008 00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:35,043 Yes. 1009 00:55:36,313 --> 00:55:39,858 Uh, Robert Trainer. 1010 00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:42,198 The friend of a friends wife of this thing that yeah. 1011 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,518 Yes, that's me. 1012 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,383 Do you live near her? 1013 00:55:46,385 --> 00:55:50,606 Uh no, but I heard about this place 1014 00:55:50,608 --> 00:55:55,608 and yeah, it's becoming a regular. 1015 00:55:57,500 --> 00:55:59,705 Or I'm becoming a regular. 1016 00:55:59,707 --> 00:56:00,738 (LAUGHING) 1017 00:56:00,740 --> 00:56:02,858 Never knew there were Christian coffee shops. 1018 00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:03,838 Yeah, all the proceeds 1019 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,773 go to various Christian charities and organizations. 1020 00:56:07,799 --> 00:56:09,216 I take it you are? 1021 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,403 I am, and you? 1022 00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:15,415 As far as I know I am. 1023 00:56:15,417 --> 00:56:17,183 You sound a little unsure. 1024 00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:23,552 When I was a teenager, 1025 00:56:25,339 --> 00:56:30,339 my parents sent me to this Christian summer camp. 1026 00:56:32,016 --> 00:56:33,766 I went with a friend. 1027 00:56:37,515 --> 00:56:39,947 It was a lot of fun, you know, 1028 00:56:39,949 --> 00:56:44,949 camp fires, games, girls, puberty. 1029 00:56:45,339 --> 00:56:49,107 Each night after dinner there was a service. 1030 00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:53,342 Some kids would sing songs, tell jokes or read the Bible. 1031 00:56:54,659 --> 00:56:58,137 And then the camp leader would try to get the kids 1032 00:56:58,139 --> 00:57:03,139 to come to the altar, you know, to be saved. 1033 00:57:05,539 --> 00:57:10,538 But, they were really pushy about it. 1034 00:57:11,048 --> 00:57:13,726 Really, in what way? 1035 00:57:13,728 --> 00:57:17,988 It seemed like they wouldn't end the service 1036 00:57:19,098 --> 00:57:21,536 until someone went to the altar. 1037 00:57:21,538 --> 00:57:24,296 Oh, really? 1038 00:57:24,298 --> 00:57:28,466 Anyway, there was this girl 1039 00:57:28,468 --> 00:57:32,401 and I was infatuated with her. 1040 00:57:33,738 --> 00:57:37,446 And one night she went to the altar so... 1041 00:57:37,448 --> 00:57:39,546 You did too. 1042 00:57:39,548 --> 00:57:40,576 Yeah. 1043 00:57:40,578 --> 00:57:42,306 So even though I was way too young, 1044 00:57:42,308 --> 00:57:47,308 to know what it meant, I guess I was saved. 1045 00:57:48,945 --> 00:57:50,009 And now? 1046 00:57:50,011 --> 00:57:51,261 I don't know. 1047 00:57:52,448 --> 00:57:55,421 Over the years, I've drifted away from Church. 1048 00:57:57,411 --> 00:58:00,610 Life has a way of complicating things. 1049 00:58:01,917 --> 00:58:02,936 How about you? 1050 00:58:02,938 --> 00:58:05,610 Ever been to a Christian camp? 1051 00:58:07,447 --> 00:58:08,280 No. 1052 00:58:09,557 --> 00:58:10,665 No, I haven't. 1053 00:58:10,667 --> 00:58:12,537 But I was raised in a Christian home 1054 00:58:13,852 --> 00:58:16,975 and my parents always went to Church when I was little. 1055 00:58:16,977 --> 00:58:18,530 I'd say we prayed a lot. 1056 00:58:21,407 --> 00:58:25,465 Unlike my older sister, Sally, I loved to pray. 1057 00:58:25,467 --> 00:58:27,107 We were close Sally and I. 1058 00:58:29,697 --> 00:58:31,165 Were? 1059 00:58:31,167 --> 00:58:32,000 Yeah. 1060 00:58:34,167 --> 00:58:35,770 You don't see her anymore? 1061 00:58:42,387 --> 00:58:45,139 She died, my mom too. 1062 00:58:49,146 --> 00:58:50,039 I'm sorry. 1063 00:58:52,186 --> 00:58:53,019 It's okay. 1064 00:58:54,756 --> 00:58:56,386 My mom died not too long ago 1065 00:58:58,122 --> 00:59:00,172 and when she did my dad moved to Arizona. 1066 00:59:02,096 --> 00:59:02,996 And your sister? 1067 00:59:04,516 --> 00:59:06,216 She died when we were teenagers. 1068 00:59:07,806 --> 00:59:11,649 She was 18, I was 17. 1069 00:59:13,438 --> 00:59:16,355 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1070 00:59:17,306 --> 00:59:18,864 PATIENT: Hi. 1071 00:59:18,866 --> 00:59:19,697 Can I help you? 1072 00:59:19,699 --> 00:59:21,484 Yes I'm here to see Dr. Jorgensen. 1073 00:59:21,486 --> 00:59:22,786 - Please sign in. - Okay. 1074 00:59:24,550 --> 00:59:27,467 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1075 00:59:44,495 --> 00:59:46,158 Where's mom and dad? 1076 00:59:47,755 --> 00:59:50,005 Oh, they just went to get something to eat. 1077 00:59:51,619 --> 00:59:53,786 (SOBBING) 1078 00:59:58,195 --> 00:59:59,028 It's not good. 1079 01:00:03,145 --> 01:00:04,928 When do you start the treatments? 1080 01:00:07,198 --> 01:00:08,031 I'm not. 1081 01:00:11,382 --> 01:00:12,215 Oh. 1082 01:00:14,303 --> 01:00:15,403 I don't get it, why not? 1083 01:00:15,405 --> 01:00:18,229 You can't stop the inevitable. 1084 01:00:18,231 --> 01:00:20,363 I put myself through hell, 1085 01:00:20,365 --> 01:00:23,042 feel like crap, look like crap and for what? 1086 01:00:23,044 --> 01:00:23,875 To live. 1087 01:00:23,877 --> 01:00:26,517 It's stage four Betsy. 1088 01:00:29,744 --> 01:00:31,282 Mom and dad aren't gonna let you. 1089 01:00:31,284 --> 01:00:35,202 I'm 18, it's not up to them. 1090 01:00:35,204 --> 01:00:37,169 You've gotta fight this. 1091 01:00:37,171 --> 01:00:38,588 No, no I don't. 1092 01:00:40,724 --> 01:00:45,182 I am not gonna let them put all that crap in me 1093 01:00:45,184 --> 01:00:49,477 and spend what time I have left bald and throwing up. 1094 01:00:50,987 --> 01:00:51,820 What? 1095 01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:56,927 I wanna enjoy whatever time I have left. 1096 01:00:58,927 --> 01:01:01,844 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1097 01:01:14,502 --> 01:01:16,669 (SOBBING) 1098 01:01:26,263 --> 01:01:27,346 I'll pray for you. 1099 01:01:33,143 --> 01:01:38,143 Malignant neoplasm of the cervix, it was rare for her age. 1100 01:01:38,833 --> 01:01:40,158 That's why I thought that she'd beat it. 1101 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,736 And she might have, had she not been so stubborn. 1102 01:01:43,983 --> 01:01:45,883 She'd be hospitalized towards the end. 1103 01:01:49,573 --> 01:01:50,834 Wow. 1104 01:01:50,836 --> 01:01:53,001 Maybe that was too much too soon. 1105 01:01:53,003 --> 01:01:54,396 Oh that's okay. 1106 01:01:55,803 --> 01:01:57,902 I was thinking the same thing, for me. 1107 01:01:58,902 --> 01:02:01,760 Especially when I mentioned the puberty. 1108 01:02:01,762 --> 01:02:04,012 (LAUGHING) 1109 01:02:07,622 --> 01:02:09,922 Would you like to go out for dinner one night? 1110 01:02:17,142 --> 01:02:18,385 Let me think about it. 1111 01:02:19,367 --> 01:02:20,200 Okay. 1112 01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:29,440 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1113 01:02:31,212 --> 01:02:33,000 For those of you just tuning in tonight 1114 01:02:33,002 --> 01:02:34,750 on Chicago Christian Network, 1115 01:02:34,752 --> 01:02:38,770 we have with us a very interesting and controversial guest. 1116 01:02:38,772 --> 01:02:41,050 Who's latest book Heavens to Betsy 1117 01:02:41,052 --> 01:02:43,790 has generated quite a bit of interest 1118 01:02:43,792 --> 01:02:46,974 due to a recent podcast that has gone viral. 1119 01:02:48,291 --> 01:02:52,409 Betsy Simon, you said that you had to be honest 1120 01:02:52,411 --> 01:02:54,014 and tell the truth? 1121 01:02:55,321 --> 01:02:56,339 Yes Grace. 1122 01:02:56,341 --> 01:02:58,551 Apparently you also are generating 1123 01:02:58,553 --> 01:03:00,649 a bit of negative publicity, both you and your book. 1124 01:03:00,651 --> 01:03:02,254 People have called you crazy. 1125 01:03:03,121 --> 01:03:07,159 A self proclaimed phony baloney prophet is it? 1126 01:03:07,161 --> 01:03:08,359 And worse. 1127 01:03:08,361 --> 01:03:09,194 Oh really. 1128 01:03:10,141 --> 01:03:13,194 Well I want you to know that I for one, believe you. 1129 01:03:14,251 --> 01:03:15,419 Thank you. 1130 01:03:15,421 --> 01:03:18,979 A book like this can impact so many people, 1131 01:03:18,981 --> 01:03:21,069 I mean not just Christians, 1132 01:03:21,071 --> 01:03:23,839 but people of all different faiths and backgrounds. 1133 01:03:23,841 --> 01:03:28,379 And so what if not everyone believes that it happened. 1134 01:03:28,381 --> 01:03:32,648 Pick up the book, read it, and decide for yourselves. 1135 01:03:32,650 --> 01:03:35,538 Heavens to Betsy, the book. 1136 01:03:35,540 --> 01:03:40,540 An amazing testimony into understanding God's will 1137 01:03:40,570 --> 01:03:42,743 and one woman's spiritual journey. 1138 01:03:44,427 --> 01:03:46,083 BETSY: I like the new look. 1139 01:03:48,030 --> 01:03:48,861 Thank you. 1140 01:03:48,863 --> 01:03:52,158 Oh you have a 4:00 p.m. phone interview tomorrow 1141 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,478 with the Christian Faith News Program 1142 01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,254 and oh, there's a Pastor Thomas from a Church in the city 1143 01:04:00,256 --> 01:04:04,932 and he would like you to speak before his sermon on Sunday. 1144 01:04:04,934 --> 01:04:05,780 Really? 1145 01:04:05,782 --> 01:04:07,948 In front of the whole Church? 1146 01:04:07,950 --> 01:04:08,783 Yes. 1147 01:04:10,070 --> 01:04:11,088 It looks like you're a hit 1148 01:04:11,090 --> 01:04:14,428 with the Christians and religious organizations 1149 01:04:14,430 --> 01:04:16,398 ever since your interview with Miss Staples. 1150 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:17,860 That's great. 1151 01:04:17,862 --> 01:04:20,627 You know I wasn't expecting all this. 1152 01:04:20,629 --> 01:04:23,622 Wishes is staring at me again. 1153 01:04:24,828 --> 01:04:27,578 (CHEERFUL MUSIC) 1154 01:04:28,420 --> 01:04:31,267 You know what they say about animals, 1155 01:04:31,269 --> 01:04:32,926 they can sense things. 1156 01:04:37,299 --> 01:04:40,377 ROBERT: I saw you on that Christian TV show. 1157 01:04:40,379 --> 01:04:42,617 - How did you know about... - Your website. 1158 01:04:42,619 --> 01:04:45,854 Oh, it shows how little I can keep track of those things. 1159 01:04:45,856 --> 01:04:46,817 Yeah. 1160 01:04:46,819 --> 01:04:48,512 Thank God for Brian. 1161 01:04:50,429 --> 01:04:51,262 Brian? 1162 01:04:52,689 --> 01:04:54,789 Brian, yeah, he's my personal assistant. 1163 01:04:58,159 --> 01:04:59,172 Like Brian. 1164 01:05:01,109 --> 01:05:03,059 Betsy Simmons-Burnett's PA in the book. 1165 01:05:05,009 --> 01:05:05,842 You read it? 1166 01:05:07,209 --> 01:05:08,408 You told me to buy it. 1167 01:05:09,608 --> 01:05:11,716 Okay, so where do you stand? 1168 01:05:11,718 --> 01:05:16,266 Well you gotta admit, it's pretty hard to believe. 1169 01:05:16,268 --> 01:05:19,016 I know, I'm pretty used to people looking at me 1170 01:05:19,018 --> 01:05:20,906 like I'm a total crazy person. 1171 01:05:20,908 --> 01:05:24,491 Well maybe I am attracted to crazy women? 1172 01:05:36,148 --> 01:05:39,364 And who are you Robert Trainer? 1173 01:05:39,366 --> 01:05:44,351 Uh, I come from a very poor family. 1174 01:05:44,353 --> 01:05:47,226 I lost my father when I was a boy. 1175 01:05:47,228 --> 01:05:49,376 Moved with my mom and sister to Chicago 1176 01:05:49,378 --> 01:05:50,746 after I graduated high school. 1177 01:05:50,748 --> 01:05:53,306 Went to Chicago State University, graduated 1178 01:05:53,308 --> 01:05:56,235 and now I'm an intern in the city. 1179 01:05:56,237 --> 01:05:58,685 My favorite color is purple, 1180 01:05:58,687 --> 01:06:02,795 pizza is my comfort food and I love Swiss almond ice cream. 1181 01:06:02,797 --> 01:06:06,017 And I have a bad habit of picking my nose, at stop signs. 1182 01:06:10,967 --> 01:06:11,800 Too much? 1183 01:06:13,627 --> 01:06:14,458 Yeah. 1184 01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:18,465 Seriously, I'm a nobody right now, 1185 01:06:18,467 --> 01:06:23,100 hoping that someday I'll be a somebody. 1186 01:06:24,017 --> 01:06:26,120 Just like Betsy Simmons did in the book. 1187 01:06:28,696 --> 01:06:30,605 Are you sure you read it? 1188 01:06:30,607 --> 01:06:31,440 Yes. 1189 01:06:32,737 --> 01:06:33,570 Why? 1190 01:06:35,607 --> 01:06:38,257 I don't know if you wanna be that kind of somebody. 1191 01:06:39,647 --> 01:06:42,845 She was on Christian talk show recently, 1192 01:06:42,847 --> 01:06:44,699 and they believed her. 1193 01:06:44,701 --> 01:06:45,544 Well, that's not surprising. 1194 01:06:45,546 --> 01:06:47,324 She's pretty convincing. 1195 01:06:47,326 --> 01:06:50,064 Either she's one of the best manipulators I've seen 1196 01:06:50,066 --> 01:06:54,443 in a long time or she really believes what she says. 1197 01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:57,359 So now she's playing to the Christian market. 1198 01:06:58,606 --> 01:07:01,744 Smart move, God bless her. 1199 01:07:01,746 --> 01:07:05,120 I know, but I was just thinking about 1200 01:07:05,122 --> 01:07:09,444 the Dr. Hager interview we did, the plastic surgeon. 1201 01:07:09,446 --> 01:07:10,614 Oh, the guy from Indonesia. 1202 01:07:10,616 --> 01:07:12,044 Didn't even have his license, 1203 01:07:12,046 --> 01:07:13,774 performed all those surgeries. 1204 01:07:13,776 --> 01:07:15,874 Yeah, that was like 60 minute stuff. 1205 01:07:15,876 --> 01:07:17,434 Our highest rated show. 1206 01:07:17,436 --> 01:07:19,264 No doubt. 1207 01:07:19,266 --> 01:07:20,099 Don't do that. 1208 01:07:21,110 --> 01:07:22,504 I'm sorry. 1209 01:07:22,506 --> 01:07:24,459 How is this even close? 1210 01:07:26,646 --> 01:07:29,144 Maybe we can make it sound that way? 1211 01:07:29,146 --> 01:07:31,674 Like she's fooling Christians. 1212 01:07:31,676 --> 01:07:34,823 Using their faith to sell books. 1213 01:07:34,825 --> 01:07:36,313 That won't be hard, 1214 01:07:36,315 --> 01:07:40,948 especially if you can get her to break down on camera. 1215 01:07:47,345 --> 01:07:49,313 Okay, let's do it. 1216 01:07:49,315 --> 01:07:50,668 Give me a copy of her book. 1217 01:07:53,925 --> 01:07:55,103 You're good. 1218 01:07:55,105 --> 01:07:55,968 I know. 1219 01:07:58,525 --> 01:08:02,173 But there is one problem, though. 1220 01:08:02,175 --> 01:08:04,433 Her agent told us she said no. 1221 01:08:04,435 --> 01:08:08,115 Quote "I'm not stepping one foot on that set." 1222 01:08:08,117 --> 01:08:10,873 Patty, what are we doing here? 1223 01:08:10,875 --> 01:08:12,213 What if we told her 1224 01:08:12,215 --> 01:08:15,378 we'll do the interview wherever she wants. 1225 01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:16,453 Where? 1226 01:08:16,455 --> 01:08:19,173 The Church she goes to is very old 1227 01:08:19,175 --> 01:08:22,302 and they're trying to raise money for repairs 1228 01:08:22,304 --> 01:08:23,277 to keep it open. 1229 01:08:24,294 --> 01:08:27,402 What if we offer to make a sizeable donation 1230 01:08:27,404 --> 01:08:30,207 in exchange for doing the interview there? 1231 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,222 That could be fine. 1232 01:08:33,224 --> 01:08:34,874 PATTY: I'll contact her agent. 1233 01:08:36,654 --> 01:08:38,889 Like you said, we're still gonna need something 1234 01:08:38,891 --> 01:08:41,191 that'll make her lose it during the interview. 1235 01:08:42,594 --> 01:08:44,847 You have something, don't you? 1236 01:08:47,595 --> 01:08:48,512 Yes I do. 1237 01:08:55,491 --> 01:08:58,492 Do you know who Tamdon Dackery is? 1238 01:08:58,494 --> 01:09:02,292 I do, I am not fond of him, but I do. 1239 01:09:02,294 --> 01:09:04,192 He wants me on his show, 1240 01:09:04,194 --> 01:09:06,192 but I've seen what he does to his guests 1241 01:09:06,194 --> 01:09:08,201 so I told him no. 1242 01:09:08,203 --> 01:09:09,701 Good, you don't need him. 1243 01:09:09,703 --> 01:09:10,536 I know. 1244 01:09:13,773 --> 01:09:15,876 But I was thinking maybe the Church does. 1245 01:09:16,796 --> 01:09:17,627 How's that? 1246 01:09:17,629 --> 01:09:19,821 Ann called me yesterday. 1247 01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:22,871 She says he wants to donate to the Church's fundraiser 1248 01:09:22,873 --> 01:09:25,421 in exchange for an interview with me. 1249 01:09:25,423 --> 01:09:26,254 Really? 1250 01:09:26,256 --> 01:09:29,371 A very generous donation. 1251 01:09:29,373 --> 01:09:30,204 Uh huh. 1252 01:09:30,206 --> 01:09:32,911 But I already refused to do an interview at his studio, 1253 01:09:32,913 --> 01:09:36,512 so he said he'd go anywhere that I wanted. 1254 01:09:36,514 --> 01:09:38,101 Why would that go to that extreme? 1255 01:09:38,103 --> 01:09:39,557 I don't know, for ratings? 1256 01:09:39,559 --> 01:09:43,141 Because he thinks I'm crazy and wants to embarrass me? 1257 01:09:43,143 --> 01:09:44,796 That's just what he does. 1258 01:09:46,243 --> 01:09:51,243 But I was thinking, maybe we could do it here? 1259 01:09:52,393 --> 01:09:53,651 Oh Betsy. 1260 01:09:53,653 --> 01:09:55,161 I know that the Church needs the money 1261 01:09:55,163 --> 01:09:57,750 and I really don't mind taking a little verbal beating 1262 01:09:57,752 --> 01:10:00,860 and embarrassment, especially if it will do some good. 1263 01:10:00,862 --> 01:10:03,220 And I bet your agents all about it for the exposure right? 1264 01:10:03,222 --> 01:10:04,890 But that's not why I'm willing to do it. 1265 01:10:04,892 --> 01:10:06,385 What if this is God's will? 1266 01:10:07,922 --> 01:10:10,000 Maybe all of this is falling into place 1267 01:10:10,002 --> 01:10:11,835 because he wants me to do this. 1268 01:10:14,058 --> 01:10:16,500 And the exposure will be great for the Church's fundraiser. 1269 01:10:16,502 --> 01:10:18,590 That would depend on Tandom Dackery, 1270 01:10:18,592 --> 01:10:20,100 he can not only make you look foolish 1271 01:10:20,102 --> 01:10:24,020 for what you said about the book, he can ruin your career. 1272 01:10:24,022 --> 01:10:25,985 That is also something he does. 1273 01:10:27,512 --> 01:10:28,500 I know. 1274 01:10:28,502 --> 01:10:31,230 Plus the Elders would never approve doing it for the money 1275 01:10:31,232 --> 01:10:33,780 and I would have to agree with them. 1276 01:10:33,782 --> 01:10:35,060 Well, why not? 1277 01:10:35,062 --> 01:10:37,510 To do so, would be to sell out. 1278 01:10:37,512 --> 01:10:39,140 It would dishonor God. 1279 01:10:39,142 --> 01:10:41,642 No, it would have to be for another reason. 1280 01:10:41,644 --> 01:10:44,139 A matter of faith for example. 1281 01:10:44,141 --> 01:10:46,679 It is wonderful that you would consider 1282 01:10:46,681 --> 01:10:50,369 risking your career for the Church, it means the world. 1283 01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:53,279 And it shows that even with all your success, 1284 01:10:53,281 --> 01:10:56,139 it hasn't changed who you are in this world, 1285 01:10:56,141 --> 01:10:57,951 like it did in the other one. 1286 01:10:59,151 --> 01:11:00,289 Wait, what? 1287 01:11:00,291 --> 01:11:01,399 So you believe me? 1288 01:11:01,401 --> 01:11:02,234 No. 1289 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,110 (CHEERFUL MUSIC) 1290 01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:08,503 Again? 1291 01:11:29,671 --> 01:11:30,844 TANDOM: Pastor John? 1292 01:11:34,124 --> 01:11:34,957 Tandom Dackery. 1293 01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:43,703 Sorry for the intrusion. 1294 01:11:45,490 --> 01:11:47,148 What a surprise. 1295 01:11:47,150 --> 01:11:48,213 I'll bet. 1296 01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:52,658 So I heard you turned down Betsy's proposal. 1297 01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:54,808 It wasn't just my decision. 1298 01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:55,707 Of course. 1299 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,373 Actually, that's why I'm here. 1300 01:12:00,290 --> 01:12:01,818 I just wanted to tell you in person 1301 01:12:01,820 --> 01:12:03,623 how much I admire that decision. 1302 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,032 Even in light of the Church's need for financial support 1303 01:12:09,034 --> 01:12:12,233 that they would turn such a generous donation, 1304 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,960 really is a story within itself. 1305 01:12:15,962 --> 01:12:18,443 A story for another show, not yours. 1306 01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:22,772 I do have a reputation, I know. 1307 01:12:26,179 --> 01:12:27,272 Beautiful Church. 1308 01:12:28,785 --> 01:12:29,685 When was it built? 1309 01:12:30,569 --> 01:12:32,747 1874. 1310 01:12:32,749 --> 01:12:33,582 Really? 1311 01:12:36,541 --> 01:12:38,197 And the bell in the steeple, does it still ring? 1312 01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:39,030 Yes. 1313 01:12:39,032 --> 01:12:39,872 Fantastic. 1314 01:12:41,101 --> 01:12:44,322 It would be a shame to have to close the doors. 1315 01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:47,087 How's the fundraiser going? 1316 01:12:47,089 --> 01:12:48,487 Okay. 1317 01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:51,987 We are hopeful that God will hear our prayers 1318 01:12:51,989 --> 01:12:53,497 and provide what we need. 1319 01:12:53,499 --> 01:12:54,652 Or maybe he won't. 1320 01:12:56,739 --> 01:12:58,352 Like in Betsy Simon's book. 1321 01:13:00,009 --> 01:13:02,167 - Huh. - You know on the other hand, 1322 01:13:02,169 --> 01:13:05,502 with her track record, maybe she should do all the prayers. 1323 01:13:08,868 --> 01:13:10,826 Anyway I'm sure you're a busy man. 1324 01:13:10,828 --> 01:13:12,556 I know I am. 1325 01:13:12,558 --> 01:13:14,315 Again, I just wanted to stop by 1326 01:13:14,317 --> 01:13:19,256 and let you know that I really respect the decision 1327 01:13:19,258 --> 01:13:21,991 not to let Betsy Simon use the Church. 1328 01:13:22,978 --> 01:13:26,136 You know, it's pretty obvious 1329 01:13:26,138 --> 01:13:29,341 that she's not mentally stable. 1330 01:13:30,226 --> 01:13:32,266 And an interview like this 1331 01:13:32,268 --> 01:13:34,701 could be embarrassing for everyone involved. 1332 01:13:37,178 --> 01:13:40,566 The truth is Mr. Dackery, that you have little, if any, 1333 01:13:40,568 --> 01:13:43,181 respect for anyone you interview on your show. 1334 01:13:44,348 --> 01:13:45,491 That's my job. 1335 01:13:47,178 --> 01:13:50,116 And it's your job not to support someone like Betsy Simon, 1336 01:13:50,118 --> 01:13:52,241 whose motivations are clearly not, 1337 01:13:53,338 --> 01:13:56,950 for lack of a better phrase, faith based. 1338 01:13:59,247 --> 01:14:00,664 Have a good day Pastor. 1339 01:14:10,074 --> 01:14:15,035 Oh and Pastor, if she doesn't wanna defend herself here. 1340 01:14:15,037 --> 01:14:18,250 I'll just go on the air and rip her to shreds there. 1341 01:14:20,113 --> 01:14:23,113 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 1342 01:14:31,951 --> 01:14:35,315 (DOORBELL BUZZES) 1343 01:14:35,317 --> 01:14:38,035 Pastor John, what a surprise. 1344 01:14:38,037 --> 01:14:38,868 I'm sorry. 1345 01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:40,603 I hope it's okay to show up unannounced. 1346 01:14:40,605 --> 01:14:41,892 You know what, I should have called... 1347 01:14:41,894 --> 01:14:43,544 No, it's fine. 1348 01:14:43,546 --> 01:14:45,207 Hey come on in. 1349 01:14:45,209 --> 01:14:46,095 Are you sure? 1350 01:14:46,097 --> 01:14:46,930 Yeah. 1351 01:14:49,394 --> 01:14:51,634 (LAUGHS) 1352 01:14:51,636 --> 01:14:53,584 Uh, I need to tell you something. 1353 01:14:53,586 --> 01:14:55,934 Um, how do I do it? 1354 01:14:55,936 --> 01:15:00,454 Okay, you know what, remember in Rocky Two, the movie, 1355 01:15:00,456 --> 01:15:02,364 when Mickey his manager, 1356 01:15:02,366 --> 01:15:04,104 shows up unexpectedly at Rocky's house 1357 01:15:04,106 --> 01:15:06,064 because he has just heard Apollo Creed 1358 01:15:06,066 --> 01:15:08,024 shoot his mouth off on television 1359 01:15:08,026 --> 01:15:10,826 and now he tells him that he should knock his block off. 1360 01:15:13,703 --> 01:15:15,669 I never saw Rocky Two. 1361 01:15:17,841 --> 01:15:19,749 Oh, uh. 1362 01:15:21,366 --> 01:15:24,424 Oh, well there goes that analogy. 1363 01:15:24,426 --> 01:15:25,754 Well then, I'm just gonna say it. 1364 01:15:25,756 --> 01:15:30,756 I had a visit from Mr. Dackery, the other day at the Church. 1365 01:15:32,386 --> 01:15:33,217 He came to the Church? 1366 01:15:33,219 --> 01:15:35,413 Yes, and he lived up to his reputation 1367 01:15:35,415 --> 01:15:40,081 as being just a, well just a real piece of, 1368 01:15:40,083 --> 01:15:43,242 well just a, just a real piece of... 1369 01:15:44,215 --> 01:15:45,048 Work. 1370 01:15:46,555 --> 01:15:49,748 Okay, yeah that's better than where I was going. 1371 01:15:50,785 --> 01:15:54,188 The Elders, they have now approved the interview. 1372 01:15:57,018 --> 01:15:59,043 - They did? - They did. 1373 01:15:59,045 --> 01:16:00,093 I don't understand. 1374 01:16:00,095 --> 01:16:03,203 Well after my meeting with Mr. Dackery, 1375 01:16:03,205 --> 01:16:05,853 I was inspired, let's say, 1376 01:16:05,855 --> 01:16:08,173 to go back to the Elders with a new proposal. 1377 01:16:08,175 --> 01:16:11,703 They have approved the use of the Church for you. 1378 01:16:11,705 --> 01:16:12,538 Really? 1379 01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:15,193 - Yes. - Why? 1380 01:16:15,195 --> 01:16:18,633 Betsy, you are willing to risk your career 1381 01:16:18,635 --> 01:16:20,572 and make of fool of yourself 1382 01:16:20,574 --> 01:16:23,662 all to represent our Heavenly Father. 1383 01:16:23,664 --> 01:16:27,412 That my dear, is a matter of faith. 1384 01:16:27,414 --> 01:16:28,552 There are some conditions though. 1385 01:16:28,554 --> 01:16:29,642 The biggest one being, 1386 01:16:29,644 --> 01:16:31,402 they have got to give you a complete list 1387 01:16:31,404 --> 01:16:33,032 of all the questions they're gonna ask you 1388 01:16:33,034 --> 01:16:35,112 for your approval. 1389 01:16:35,114 --> 01:16:37,762 So we can somehow minimize the chance of embarrassment. 1390 01:16:37,764 --> 01:16:40,492 - Yeah, I like that. - Me too. 1391 01:16:40,494 --> 01:16:43,162 Any advice on how I should prepare for this? 1392 01:16:43,164 --> 01:16:45,522 Well I would watch a Rocky movie 1393 01:16:45,524 --> 01:16:49,282 and lots and lots of prayer. 1394 01:16:49,284 --> 01:16:51,304 Which, you know, I read your book, 1395 01:16:51,306 --> 01:16:53,869 so I know you're a bit of an expert there. 1396 01:16:53,871 --> 01:16:56,621 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1397 01:16:59,804 --> 01:17:01,454 That's all for today everybody. 1398 01:17:06,627 --> 01:17:09,545 (CLEARS THROAT) Mr. Dackery, excuse me. 1399 01:17:09,547 --> 01:17:11,195 Yes. 1400 01:17:11,197 --> 01:17:12,932 - Robert. - Robert. 1401 01:17:12,934 --> 01:17:16,939 There's a question here that has to do with something 1402 01:17:16,941 --> 01:17:20,610 she told me in private and... 1403 01:17:20,612 --> 01:17:23,171 Ah, the element of surprise 1404 01:17:23,173 --> 01:17:26,141 is the key to a good interview Richard. 1405 01:17:26,143 --> 01:17:27,921 - Robert. - Robert. 1406 01:17:27,923 --> 01:17:32,923 Unexpected responses, emotions, drama, all good stuff. 1407 01:17:34,623 --> 01:17:36,721 You're an intern, you'll learn. 1408 01:17:36,723 --> 01:17:40,421 I'm sure, but in hindsight 1409 01:17:40,423 --> 01:17:42,694 it was something she told me in private... 1410 01:17:42,696 --> 01:17:44,956 Then you should have kept it in private. 1411 01:17:51,773 --> 01:17:55,003 Though I do admire your sense of fairness, just the same. 1412 01:18:09,782 --> 01:18:10,615 Tom. 1413 01:18:13,922 --> 01:18:15,380 He's done. 1414 01:18:15,382 --> 01:18:16,215 Got it. 1415 01:18:19,332 --> 01:18:21,363 Can you send for another one? 1416 01:18:21,365 --> 01:18:24,115 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1417 01:18:30,622 --> 01:18:31,916 BETSY: Hi. 1418 01:18:31,918 --> 01:18:33,355 Hi. 1419 01:18:44,281 --> 01:18:45,114 What? 1420 01:18:49,191 --> 01:18:51,394 There's something that I think you should know. 1421 01:18:52,821 --> 01:18:55,319 Remember when I told you I was an intern? 1422 01:18:55,321 --> 01:18:56,359 Yeah. 1423 01:18:56,361 --> 01:18:59,841 Well, I'm an intern at 1424 01:19:01,131 --> 01:19:04,081 Tandom Dackery's production company. 1425 01:19:05,001 --> 01:19:07,918 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1426 01:19:14,144 --> 01:19:15,499 Really? 1427 01:19:15,501 --> 01:19:16,334 Yeah. 1428 01:19:18,121 --> 01:19:20,694 So you know about the interview at the Church. 1429 01:19:20,696 --> 01:19:21,946 ROBERT: Yes. 1430 01:19:23,261 --> 01:19:26,819 Okay, so you work for an egotistical, 1431 01:19:26,821 --> 01:19:28,871 self-serving, hypocritical media vampire. 1432 01:19:29,881 --> 01:19:30,714 Yeah, yeah. 1433 01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:34,509 But not for him directly. 1434 01:19:34,511 --> 01:19:35,748 So you'll be coming to the interview. 1435 01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:36,583 I'd like to. 1436 01:19:40,294 --> 01:19:41,127 Great. 1437 01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:47,673 Look it's okay. 1438 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,908 Alright, I'm not gonna hold it against you. 1439 01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:52,608 He is who he is. 1440 01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:55,358 I gotta go, I came by just to stop and get some coffee 1441 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:56,208 on my way home. 1442 01:19:56,210 --> 01:19:57,868 I gotta prepare for the interview 1443 01:19:57,870 --> 01:20:01,268 and go over all the questions that he's gonna ask me. 1444 01:20:01,270 --> 01:20:02,103 Betsy. 1445 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:06,538 What? 1446 01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:08,630 I'll see you at the interview. 1447 01:20:10,064 --> 01:20:11,246 _ Okay. 1448 01:20:11,248 --> 01:20:14,165 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1449 01:21:07,944 --> 01:21:12,944 Are you okay? 1450 01:21:13,501 --> 01:21:15,791 Are you comfortable with the questions? 1451 01:21:17,678 --> 01:21:19,931 Yeah, I'm good. 1452 01:21:22,058 --> 01:21:26,871 Good, well then, I will see you afterwards. 1453 01:21:43,028 --> 01:21:45,846 Ladies and gentleman, can I get your attention please. 1454 01:21:45,848 --> 01:21:47,916 We are moments away from starting the interview, 1455 01:21:47,918 --> 01:21:49,766 I know we have several Tandom Dackery fans 1456 01:21:49,768 --> 01:21:50,703 in the house today. 1457 01:21:50,705 --> 01:21:53,525 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1458 01:21:53,527 --> 01:21:54,358 And of course I know 1459 01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,406 we have some fans of Heavens to Betsy, the book. 1460 01:21:56,408 --> 01:22:00,865 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) I would just like to remind all of you 1461 01:22:00,867 --> 01:22:02,775 to please be respectful throughout the interview 1462 01:22:02,777 --> 01:22:05,227 and let everyone up here do what they need to do. 1463 01:22:06,877 --> 01:22:08,781 There's a scene in the first Rocky. 1464 01:22:08,783 --> 01:22:11,785 It's the night of the big fight against Apollo Creed, 1465 01:22:11,787 --> 01:22:13,873 and Rocky he's ready to fight, but he's worried. 1466 01:22:13,875 --> 01:22:17,185 So he tells Adrian, that's his girlfriend 1467 01:22:17,187 --> 01:22:19,945 that it doesn't matter if he wins the fight, 1468 01:22:19,947 --> 01:22:23,035 as long as he goes the distance. 1469 01:22:23,037 --> 01:22:25,375 Because then and only then, 1470 01:22:25,377 --> 01:22:28,227 he'll know he's not just another bum in the neighborhood. 1471 01:22:29,527 --> 01:22:32,360 (UPLIFTING MUSIC) 1472 01:22:33,807 --> 01:22:36,370 Okay, have you not seen any Rocky films? 1473 01:22:37,698 --> 01:22:39,578 I don't know what any of that means. 1474 01:22:39,580 --> 01:22:42,995 What it means is that you're like Rocky. 1475 01:22:42,997 --> 01:22:45,104 You are not in this for the fame and fortune, 1476 01:22:45,106 --> 01:22:48,044 you're doing it for something that's important to you. 1477 01:22:48,046 --> 01:22:50,509 And in this case, it's defending the truth. 1478 01:22:51,636 --> 01:22:52,469 Let's pray. 1479 01:22:53,766 --> 01:22:55,044 Heavenly Father. 1480 01:22:55,046 --> 01:22:57,414 We ask that You oversee the upcoming interview 1481 01:22:57,416 --> 01:22:59,324 and that You will help Betsy find the right words 1482 01:22:59,326 --> 01:23:02,674 to express herself, keeping to Your word. 1483 01:23:02,676 --> 01:23:05,044 We thank you Father for answering Betsy's prayers 1484 01:23:05,046 --> 01:23:08,575 and giving her the opportunity for continued success 1485 01:23:08,577 --> 01:23:09,410 in Your name. 1486 01:23:10,511 --> 01:23:11,344 Amen. 1487 01:23:13,356 --> 01:23:14,506 Okay, what about Creed? 1488 01:23:16,038 --> 01:23:16,869 No, no, that's one 1489 01:23:16,871 --> 01:23:18,834 where he actually has to train Apollo's kid. 1490 01:23:18,836 --> 01:23:20,289 Everyone has seen Creed. 1491 01:23:21,781 --> 01:23:24,531 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1492 01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:28,881 (PEOPLE CHATTERING) 1493 01:23:28,883 --> 01:23:31,348 RONNIE: Betsy's a good friend of mine. 1494 01:23:34,752 --> 01:23:36,093 Oh. 1495 01:23:36,095 --> 01:23:36,928 Ronnie Love. 1496 01:23:39,585 --> 01:23:41,393 Uh, sorry? 1497 01:23:41,395 --> 01:23:44,193 My stage name, maybe you've heard of me. 1498 01:23:44,195 --> 01:23:46,118 Oh no, sorry. 1499 01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,883 You will someday, I'm an actress. 1500 01:23:49,885 --> 01:23:54,885 I'm used to all of this, the cameras, the lights. 1501 01:23:55,065 --> 01:23:57,283 When I heard she was going to do this, 1502 01:23:57,285 --> 01:23:59,733 I thought I'd come just in case she needed 1503 01:23:59,735 --> 01:24:03,663 some professional advice about how to deal with it. 1504 01:24:03,665 --> 01:24:07,048 You sound like an amazing friend. 1505 01:24:08,385 --> 01:24:10,313 She's lucky to have you. 1506 01:24:10,315 --> 01:24:11,228 I know right. 1507 01:24:24,311 --> 01:24:26,367 Tandom Dackery, the host. 1508 01:24:31,754 --> 01:24:34,925 Betsy Simon, the crazy Christian. 1509 01:24:34,927 --> 01:24:37,010 (LAUGHS) 1510 01:24:38,284 --> 01:24:39,502 Sorry we didn't get a chance to meet 1511 01:24:39,504 --> 01:24:41,132 prior to the interview, 1512 01:24:41,134 --> 01:24:42,807 that would have been the proper thing. 1513 01:24:43,784 --> 01:24:45,354 Yes it would have. 1514 01:24:56,384 --> 01:24:57,482 Ladies and gentleman. 1515 01:24:57,484 --> 01:24:59,262 (FUNKY UPBEAT MUSIC) 1516 01:24:59,264 --> 01:25:00,832 We are rolling. 1517 01:25:00,834 --> 01:25:01,665 Speed. 1518 01:25:01,667 --> 01:25:03,377 In three, two. 1519 01:25:05,674 --> 01:25:07,311 Shortly after its release, 1520 01:25:07,313 --> 01:25:11,221 Betsy Simon's book Heavens to Betsy hit the best seller list 1521 01:25:11,223 --> 01:25:13,516 and stayed there for the last six months. 1522 01:25:14,443 --> 01:25:15,521 The book tells the story 1523 01:25:15,523 --> 01:25:18,611 of an aspiring children's book author who's prayer 1524 01:25:18,613 --> 01:25:23,601 for fame and fortune is answered by God himself. 1525 01:25:23,603 --> 01:25:26,951 Transporting her to an alternate universe 1526 01:25:26,953 --> 01:25:29,591 where not only does she get the fame and fortune, 1527 01:25:29,593 --> 01:25:32,726 but everything she has ever prayed for. 1528 01:25:33,973 --> 01:25:36,621 The book has been called a modern day Wizard of Oz 1529 01:25:36,623 --> 01:25:38,601 or Alice in Wonderland. 1530 01:25:38,603 --> 01:25:40,661 David Claymore of the Chicago Press 1531 01:25:40,663 --> 01:25:45,031 has called it entertaining, heartwarming and magical. 1532 01:25:45,033 --> 01:25:48,361 But as of late the book has got even more attention. 1533 01:25:48,363 --> 01:25:50,971 Because the author claims 1534 01:25:50,973 --> 01:25:55,595 that the story in the book is not fiction, but fact. 1535 01:25:57,562 --> 01:25:59,410 Hello Betsy Simon. 1536 01:25:59,412 --> 01:26:00,960 Hello. 1537 01:26:00,962 --> 01:26:03,150 So I read Heavens to Betsy 1538 01:26:03,152 --> 01:26:05,505 and I thought it was delightful. 1539 01:26:07,642 --> 01:26:09,212 Thank you. 1540 01:26:09,214 --> 01:26:10,964 When did you start writing books? 1541 01:26:12,152 --> 01:26:15,810 Well, I wrote a short story in high school 1542 01:26:15,812 --> 01:26:20,355 that won an award, and I just kept writing after that. 1543 01:26:21,892 --> 01:26:25,190 You have a mother and a sister, who are both deceased, 1544 01:26:25,192 --> 01:26:27,305 and your father lives in Arizona. 1545 01:26:30,422 --> 01:26:32,320 I see you've done your homework. 1546 01:26:32,322 --> 01:26:35,050 Yes, that's all correct. 1547 01:26:35,052 --> 01:26:37,831 This is not you first novel, is that correct? 1548 01:26:37,833 --> 01:26:39,840 I've written four children's books 1549 01:26:39,842 --> 01:26:42,460 that have featured my cat Wishes. 1550 01:26:42,462 --> 01:26:44,481 Well that seems obvious, 1551 01:26:44,483 --> 01:26:46,729 seeing as how the character in your book Betsy Simmons 1552 01:26:46,731 --> 01:26:49,854 has a cat named Wishes and writes children's books. 1553 01:26:50,801 --> 01:26:52,519 Right, yeah I didn't change her name, 1554 01:26:52,521 --> 01:26:54,330 she wouldn't have liked that. 1555 01:26:54,332 --> 01:26:55,859 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1556 01:26:55,861 --> 01:26:57,261 So when the book came out, 1557 01:26:58,231 --> 01:27:01,254 your agent promoted it as a work of fiction. 1558 01:27:02,921 --> 01:27:03,754 BETSY: Yes. 1559 01:27:04,761 --> 01:27:07,141 And now you've said, in many interviews 1560 01:27:07,981 --> 01:27:10,979 that it's not fiction, is that correct? 1561 01:27:10,981 --> 01:27:12,169 Yes. 1562 01:27:12,171 --> 01:27:16,424 If that's so, then Betsy Simmons who is obviously you, 1563 01:27:17,771 --> 01:27:20,591 has been transported to an alternate universe 1564 01:27:21,461 --> 01:27:23,534 by a cosmic entity. 1565 01:27:24,971 --> 01:27:27,705 It's safe to say God in here. 1566 01:27:27,707 --> 01:27:31,079 No need for political correctness Mr. Dackery. 1567 01:27:31,081 --> 01:27:34,257 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1568 01:27:34,259 --> 01:27:36,078 And what was that like? 1569 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,688 What? 1570 01:27:37,690 --> 01:27:39,840 TANDOM: Living in an alternate universe? 1571 01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:46,308 It was confusing at first. 1572 01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:47,748 Confusing. 1573 01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:48,646 No doubt. 1574 01:27:48,648 --> 01:27:51,378 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1575 01:27:51,380 --> 01:27:54,018 It was like I was in an alternate timeline, 1576 01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:55,403 like Back to the Future. 1577 01:27:57,056 --> 01:27:59,205 If you have God, who needs a DeLorean? 1578 01:27:59,207 --> 01:28:00,358 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1579 01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:01,288 Miss Simon. 1580 01:28:01,290 --> 01:28:04,258 Betsy, please just Betsy. 1581 01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:05,093 Betsy. 1582 01:28:06,740 --> 01:28:09,163 Are you now or have you ever been in therapy? 1583 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:11,793 No. 1584 01:28:12,970 --> 01:28:14,876 Why, do you need a referral? 1585 01:28:14,878 --> 01:28:17,878 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1586 01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:20,992 I'm sorry. 1587 01:28:23,249 --> 01:28:25,652 I can understand how some people, 1588 01:28:26,929 --> 01:28:29,427 might think that I was crazy. 1589 01:28:29,429 --> 01:28:33,847 But there are others who don't. 1590 01:28:33,849 --> 01:28:35,502 Christians, to be exact. 1591 01:28:36,904 --> 01:28:38,367 You know, ever since the reveal, 1592 01:28:38,369 --> 01:28:41,307 your book has done quite well in that market. 1593 01:28:41,309 --> 01:28:43,677 Why do you think that is? 1594 01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:47,369 Because of people of faith know that through God 1595 01:28:48,579 --> 01:28:50,244 all things are possible. 1596 01:28:50,246 --> 01:28:54,077 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1597 01:28:54,079 --> 01:28:59,079 Isn't it unethical to exploit religion for financial gain? 1598 01:28:59,937 --> 01:29:03,747 (LAUGHS) Unethical? 1599 01:29:03,749 --> 01:29:05,087 Exploitation? 1600 01:29:05,089 --> 01:29:08,263 Wow, did you of all people just say that. 1601 01:29:08,265 --> 01:29:11,432 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1602 01:29:13,180 --> 01:29:16,763 You wrote in your book that at one point, 1603 01:29:18,168 --> 01:29:21,001 you asked God to put you back to your original life. 1604 01:29:22,158 --> 01:29:26,116 If I didn't, I wouldn't be here right now. 1605 01:29:26,118 --> 01:29:27,566 Hmm-mm. 1606 01:29:27,568 --> 01:29:32,568 And by doing so, you killed your sister didn't you? 1607 01:29:33,766 --> 01:29:36,766 (AUDIENCE GROANING) 1608 01:29:48,775 --> 01:29:50,206 Did it not that bother you 1609 01:29:50,208 --> 01:29:54,056 that asking God to put you back to the way things were 1610 01:29:54,058 --> 01:29:57,215 would essentially be killing your sister for a second time? 1611 01:29:57,217 --> 01:30:01,605 And that by asking God to do that, you would responsible? 1612 01:30:01,607 --> 01:30:06,020 You wrote in your book, that after much prayer, 1613 01:30:06,987 --> 01:30:10,425 your sister died while you were in your teens. 1614 01:30:10,427 --> 01:30:13,365 And then when he answered your prayer, 1615 01:30:13,367 --> 01:30:17,210 put you into this alternate universe, he brought her back. 1616 01:30:24,747 --> 01:30:26,675 But that didn't go very well, 1617 01:30:26,677 --> 01:30:29,345 once you found out she'd been stealing 1618 01:30:29,347 --> 01:30:31,815 from you and your husband's company. 1619 01:30:31,817 --> 01:30:34,695 At least I know what I did. 1620 01:30:34,697 --> 01:30:36,235 I think you'll never forgive me. 1621 01:30:36,237 --> 01:30:38,726 I also know what you guys are going to do, 1622 01:30:38,728 --> 01:30:40,325 so just do it! 1623 01:30:40,327 --> 01:30:42,714 So if the book is fact, 1624 01:30:42,716 --> 01:30:45,786 then you, more or less, were playing Judge and Jury 1625 01:30:46,726 --> 01:30:50,664 in asking God to put things back the way they were. 1626 01:30:50,666 --> 01:30:55,049 Therefore handing your sister a death sentence. 1627 01:30:57,446 --> 01:30:58,339 Really? 1628 01:30:59,247 --> 01:31:02,849 You see, I think that's the flaw in your story. 1629 01:31:04,096 --> 01:31:06,044 Nobody would honestly do something 1630 01:31:06,046 --> 01:31:07,584 that would kill somebody they loved 1631 01:31:07,586 --> 01:31:11,294 as much as you apparently love your sister, 1632 01:31:11,296 --> 01:31:13,279 all for the sake of religion. 1633 01:31:14,396 --> 01:31:19,396 In 2006, Oprah Winfrey rebuked James Frey, 1634 01:31:20,096 --> 01:31:22,644 author of A Million Little Pieces 1635 01:31:22,646 --> 01:31:25,444 for lying about his past, and portraying his book 1636 01:31:25,446 --> 01:31:27,944 as a truthful account of his life. 1637 01:31:27,946 --> 01:31:31,113 In her words, betraying millions of readers. 1638 01:31:31,115 --> 01:31:32,993 Isn't that what you're doing here? 1639 01:31:32,995 --> 01:31:35,345 Look, I know these are different circumstances, 1640 01:31:37,855 --> 01:31:40,902 but tell me, why should we believe you? 1641 01:31:47,943 --> 01:31:48,860 Miss Simon. 1642 01:31:51,735 --> 01:31:56,735 Why would God allow your sister to die not once, but twice. 1643 01:31:59,774 --> 01:32:02,691 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1644 01:32:19,724 --> 01:32:22,324 BETSY'S DAD: Peanuts, he's in a better place now. 1645 01:32:24,424 --> 01:32:25,922 I know papa. 1646 01:32:25,924 --> 01:32:27,352 BETSY'S DAD: You'll see him again. 1647 01:32:27,354 --> 01:32:29,442 Not too soon I hope. 1648 01:32:29,444 --> 01:32:32,607 Sally, your sister's very upset. 1649 01:32:35,224 --> 01:32:36,322 Okay. 1650 01:32:36,324 --> 01:32:38,642 Betsy would you like to say a prayer? 1651 01:32:38,644 --> 01:32:39,477 I don't know. 1652 01:32:41,744 --> 01:32:42,872 How about you Sally? 1653 01:32:42,874 --> 01:32:44,749 Not really, he's just a... 1654 01:32:44,751 --> 01:32:46,547 Peanut is not just cat. 1655 01:32:52,344 --> 01:32:54,742 Can I say it to myself papa? 1656 01:32:54,744 --> 01:32:56,044 Of course you can honey. 1657 01:32:58,354 --> 01:33:01,232 We don't need to hear it, nobody does. 1658 01:33:01,234 --> 01:33:03,274 It will just be between you and God. 1659 01:33:05,475 --> 01:33:08,391 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1660 01:33:16,543 --> 01:33:17,376 Why? 1661 01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:19,086 Why? 1662 01:33:20,783 --> 01:33:22,316 Because it was God's will. 1663 01:33:23,903 --> 01:33:25,071 And being a non-believer 1664 01:33:25,073 --> 01:33:26,981 I don't expect you to understand that. 1665 01:33:26,983 --> 01:33:28,891 When someone we love dies, 1666 01:33:28,893 --> 01:33:31,196 we say how could God let that happen? 1667 01:33:34,697 --> 01:33:36,846 I know, I asked that question 1668 01:33:36,848 --> 01:33:40,386 over and over again when my sister passed away. 1669 01:33:44,113 --> 01:33:46,171 And it's so easy to blame Him 1670 01:33:46,173 --> 01:33:50,261 because it's so much harder to accept the fact 1671 01:33:50,263 --> 01:33:53,580 that these events ultimately, have a purpose. 1672 01:33:58,222 --> 01:33:59,695 So I leave it all up to Him. 1673 01:34:02,052 --> 01:34:04,000 Trusting that He will show me the way 1674 01:34:04,002 --> 01:34:06,260 to live the life that He wants me to live 1675 01:34:06,262 --> 01:34:09,125 and be the person that He wants me to be. 1676 01:34:10,452 --> 01:34:12,652 And I'm wanted to take what God had shown me 1677 01:34:14,230 --> 01:34:16,400 and share it with the world, 1678 01:34:16,402 --> 01:34:18,270 in the only way I knew how. 1679 01:34:18,272 --> 01:34:20,260 Through my passion for writing. 1680 01:34:20,262 --> 01:34:23,890 A person's relationship with God is the most intimate bond 1681 01:34:23,892 --> 01:34:25,860 that any human being can have. 1682 01:34:25,862 --> 01:34:29,880 And if you reject the possibility 1683 01:34:29,882 --> 01:34:32,750 of a creator communicating with His creation 1684 01:34:32,752 --> 01:34:36,350 well there's really nothing that I can say 1685 01:34:36,352 --> 01:34:37,970 that will change that. 1686 01:34:37,972 --> 01:34:42,971 Mr. Dackery, this interview isn't about me, or my book, 1687 01:34:47,011 --> 01:34:48,949 or why I wrote it. 1688 01:34:48,951 --> 01:34:51,969 It's about you, wanting to make it look like 1689 01:34:51,971 --> 01:34:53,909 I'm taking advantage of Christians 1690 01:34:53,911 --> 01:34:57,679 by appealing to their sentiments and faiths, or whatever, 1691 01:34:57,681 --> 01:34:59,439 in order to make money. 1692 01:34:59,441 --> 01:35:03,119 Which is what you're doing here, 1693 01:35:03,121 --> 01:35:05,398 for ratings and to profit off of those 1694 01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,279 who don't believe in God. 1695 01:35:07,281 --> 01:35:12,281 And that, Mr. Dackery makes you a hypocrite 1696 01:35:12,581 --> 01:35:16,149 or should I call you by your real name, 1697 01:35:16,151 --> 01:35:16,984 Marione Pickle? 1698 01:35:17,854 --> 01:35:20,854 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1699 01:35:28,001 --> 01:35:31,303 You're not the only one who did their homework, Mr. Pickle. 1700 01:35:33,675 --> 01:35:35,884 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1701 01:35:35,886 --> 01:35:37,075 What happened was between me and God 1702 01:35:37,077 --> 01:35:38,927 and it doesn't matter what you think. 1703 01:35:41,450 --> 01:35:42,693 Any more questions? 1704 01:35:45,650 --> 01:35:48,473 Nope, I think that covers it. 1705 01:35:50,946 --> 01:35:54,113 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1706 01:36:05,331 --> 01:36:06,748 Fade to black. 1707 01:36:12,065 --> 01:36:13,578 Well how about that? 1708 01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:18,579 Betsy has left the building, thank you and goodnight. 1709 01:36:18,992 --> 01:36:21,992 (UPBEAT ROCK MUSIC) 1710 01:36:39,007 --> 01:36:40,090 You did good. 1711 01:36:41,198 --> 01:36:44,115 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1712 01:36:49,745 --> 01:36:51,638 So did you. 1713 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:52,890 Me? 1714 01:36:52,892 --> 01:36:53,872 What did I do? 1715 01:36:55,799 --> 01:36:58,922 You were there for me, just like you said. 1716 01:37:01,212 --> 01:37:02,712 And you know what? 1717 01:37:04,055 --> 01:37:07,054 It doesn't matter if you believe me. 1718 01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:11,346 Who said I didn't? 1719 01:37:15,428 --> 01:37:17,551 Gotta take care of some business upstairs. 1720 01:37:25,868 --> 01:37:27,731 Good show Betsy Simon. 1721 01:37:34,468 --> 01:37:35,301 Really? 1722 01:37:36,298 --> 01:37:37,131 Really. 1723 01:37:38,515 --> 01:37:40,896 And we want you to know, 1724 01:37:40,898 --> 01:37:42,848 we're still going to make the donation. 1725 01:37:44,673 --> 01:37:45,506 What? 1726 01:37:46,448 --> 01:37:48,161 Even after the way it just ended? 1727 01:37:49,338 --> 01:37:50,513 No doubt. 1728 01:37:50,515 --> 01:37:52,646 (LAUGHS) 1729 01:37:52,648 --> 01:37:55,277 Everyone loves a hero. 1730 01:37:56,627 --> 01:37:58,970 Goodnight Betsy Simon. 1731 01:38:00,185 --> 01:38:03,268 (FUNKY UPBEAT MUSIC) 1732 01:38:21,263 --> 01:38:24,180 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC) 1733 01:38:25,787 --> 01:38:27,210 Your boss just left. 1734 01:38:30,085 --> 01:38:31,235 Uh, he's not my boss. 1735 01:38:33,117 --> 01:38:34,387 Not anymore. 1736 01:38:37,570 --> 01:38:38,403 I was fired. 1737 01:38:43,929 --> 01:38:46,096 Oh, for being deceptive? 1738 01:38:49,966 --> 01:38:50,799 No. 1739 01:38:54,616 --> 01:38:57,174 I objected to him 1740 01:38:57,176 --> 01:39:02,176 using the information that I gave him about your sister. 1741 01:39:13,746 --> 01:39:15,059 I'm so sorry Betsy. 1742 01:39:17,066 --> 01:39:20,184 When they asked me to get information about you, 1743 01:39:20,186 --> 01:39:22,789 I was just doing my job. 1744 01:39:27,705 --> 01:39:31,704 I never expected to feel the way I do about you. 1745 01:39:43,340 --> 01:39:45,507 I, I did a terrible thing. 1746 01:39:46,935 --> 01:39:48,385 Any chance you'll forgive me? 1747 01:39:57,531 --> 01:39:58,364 Well, 1748 01:40:00,695 --> 01:40:03,045 You picked a good place to ask for forgiveness. 1749 01:40:08,234 --> 01:40:10,984 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1750 01:40:18,444 --> 01:40:21,111 (CLEARS THROAT) 1751 01:40:23,224 --> 01:40:27,544 Uh, and there's something else. 1752 01:40:28,614 --> 01:40:33,384 After watching you, I decided to ask the Pastor 1753 01:40:35,144 --> 01:40:38,797 if he'd help me recommit my life to God. 1754 01:40:40,767 --> 01:40:44,432 You sure this isn't just another case of infatuation? 1755 01:40:44,434 --> 01:40:45,267 No. 1756 01:40:48,834 --> 01:40:49,667 Clarification. 1757 01:40:52,204 --> 01:40:53,037 Good idea. 1758 01:40:54,010 --> 01:40:56,760 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1759 01:41:56,399 --> 01:41:57,232 Thank you. 1760 01:42:14,809 --> 01:42:17,440 And congratulations are in order. 1761 01:42:17,442 --> 01:42:18,275 For what? 1762 01:42:19,502 --> 01:42:22,295 For Heavens to Betsy selling a million copies. 1763 01:42:27,172 --> 01:42:28,172 So how does it feel? 1764 01:42:29,949 --> 01:42:30,782 Good. 1765 01:42:32,258 --> 01:42:33,530 She thinks so too, she feels great. 1766 01:42:33,532 --> 01:42:37,090 - Here you go. - She's a big part of this. 1767 01:42:37,092 --> 01:42:38,900 - Yeah I know. - So you're not afraid 1768 01:42:38,902 --> 01:42:42,054 of making the same mistakes again? 1769 01:42:46,201 --> 01:42:48,679 No, although it is a little strange 1770 01:42:48,681 --> 01:42:51,869 that you're now dressing like you did in the other life. 1771 01:42:51,871 --> 01:42:56,254 Well, one has to keep up appearances. 1772 01:42:57,580 --> 01:43:00,859 (LAUGHS) You know, you sound as if 1773 01:43:00,861 --> 01:43:02,714 you now believe everything I wrote. 1774 01:43:10,831 --> 01:43:15,831 I never told anyone that my father gave me this watch. 1775 01:43:20,161 --> 01:43:22,240 Not in this life. 1776 01:43:22,242 --> 01:43:24,992 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1777 01:43:26,461 --> 01:43:28,211 Well, goodbye Wishes. 1778 01:43:35,780 --> 01:43:39,037 Thank you, Brian Manely. 1779 01:43:40,121 --> 01:43:42,871 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1780 01:43:55,024 --> 01:43:57,274 (LAUGHING) 1781 01:43:59,623 --> 01:44:00,456 Goodbye. 1782 01:44:14,885 --> 01:44:17,635 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1783 01:44:46,986 --> 01:44:48,760 (GASPS) 1784 01:44:48,762 --> 01:44:52,262 (MELANCHOLY HYMNAL MUSIC) 1785 01:45:33,278 --> 01:45:35,661 I'm here to tell you, that I'm okay. 1786 01:45:37,395 --> 01:45:41,616 The Sally that God showed you, wasn't me. 1787 01:45:41,618 --> 01:45:43,431 Not the Sally that you loved, 1788 01:45:45,232 --> 01:45:47,511 or the sister that you lost. 1789 01:45:49,498 --> 01:45:52,531 I left when I did, because it was time. 1790 01:45:55,547 --> 01:45:57,047 I didn't wanna go. 1791 01:45:59,567 --> 01:46:02,017 Sometimes it's too soon, I know. 1792 01:46:03,422 --> 01:46:05,705 He wanted me to ease your mind 1793 01:46:05,707 --> 01:46:08,880 and give you peace so that you can go on with your life. 1794 01:46:14,247 --> 01:46:15,882 I love you. 1795 01:46:15,884 --> 01:46:16,990 I love you too. 1796 01:46:23,117 --> 01:46:24,600 So you're not here to stay? 1797 01:46:26,057 --> 01:46:26,890 No. 1798 01:46:29,834 --> 01:46:33,084 But I'll always be here, in your heart. 1799 01:46:35,005 --> 01:46:38,505 (MELANCHOLY HYMNAL MUSIC) 1800 01:46:47,746 --> 01:46:49,196 She's such a beautiful kitty. 1801 01:46:55,136 --> 01:46:56,503 Her names Wishes. 1802 01:47:10,107 --> 01:47:12,857 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 1803 01:47:46,836 --> 01:47:51,836 Subtitles by explosiveskull 1804 01:47:52,837 --> 01:47:55,670 (PEACEFUL MUSIC) 125635

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