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Behind every plantation,
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there is this
dark history.
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- Nice?
- No.
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Not joking.
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I am really terrified
of this place.
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- That was a "Yeah."
- What?!
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And right after the war,
in 1868, he did commit suicide.
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Ho ho ho ho ho.
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Something just
touched that bear.
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What happened to you
after the Civil War?
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Suicide.
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When the dead are
forgotten, they become restless.
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My God!
You just touched me.
What? I did not touch you.
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I'm Amy Bruni.
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A haunting encounter
redefined my life.
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I live with that experience
and seek answers to the unknown.
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It says, "I am."
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I'm Adam Berry.
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At Gettysburg, the shadows
and screams of dead soldiers
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turned me
into a supernatural believer.
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My God.
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Together, our investigations
bring peace to the living...
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You can't scare us,
you can't deter us.
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...by giving a voice
to the dead.
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I'm going to ask you
one more time.
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What is your name?
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Because we believe the dead
and the living are all...
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kindred spirits.
Kindred spirits.
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We're on our way to
Belle Grove Plantation.
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Belle Grove Plantation
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was built
between 1794 and 1797.
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It is the birthplace
of the fourth President
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of the United States,
James Madison,
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and played a crucial role
in the Civil War.
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Michelle, who we're meeting
with tonight,
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lives at the plantation
with her husband.
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They turned Belle Grove
into a bed-and-breakfast.
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Michelle has called us
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because even though
she believes
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Belle Grove is haunted,
very recently,
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she feels
as though the activity
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has just gotten darker
and darker,
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especially around
the caretaker's cottage.
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Whatever is out there
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is threatening her
and her guests.
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This activity has gotten
to a point
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that she wants
to burn it down.
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You have to remember not only
is this their business,
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but this is
where they live.
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So it just makes the stakes
even higher for them
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because not only are
they concerned for themselves,
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but for their
potential guests.
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She just wants to make
sure everyone is safe.
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Absolutely.
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Plantations are beautiful.
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I mean, look at this.
- Yeah.
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But behind
every plantation,
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there is this dark history
that could cause a haunting,
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and I'm just wondering
what here has changed.
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Well, hopefully
she's ready for us
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'cause
we're ready for her.
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Yeah, so, let's go in and see
what she has to say here.
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- Hey. How are you?
- Hi.
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Good.
Good to see you.
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There's a lot
that has happened.
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Really? Just activity's
been getting crazier?
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A lot.
Crazy.
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- Okay.
- Okay.
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Well, then, let's go.
Where should we go?
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We're gonna go upstairs
to the Madison Room
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and the Turner Room.
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The Turner Room
is actually one
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of the most haunted locations
in the house,
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but I will tell you
that the Madison Room
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has been
very active lately.
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And we've actually had
quite a lot of activity
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lately in
this particular room.
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We also have a little
boy ghost named Jacob.
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Okay.
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He's very mischievous.
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He likes to play
upstairs.
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We'll hear balls
bouncing in the hallway.
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Right in
between rooms, right?
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- Right.
- What else happens in here?
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One that we're getting a lot of
is the Lady in White.
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She's been seen
several times in here.
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Do you have any idea
who that Lady in White might be?
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We think she may be
Carrie Turner.
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This house used to belong
to the Turner family
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from 1839 to 1894.
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We actually have a photograph
of the Lady in White
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sitting on this side
of the bed over here.
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Would this have
been her room?
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- Possibly.
- Okay.
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That, or it would have been
her room across the hall.
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All right.
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This is
the Turner Room.
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Over in the window here,
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there's actually
an etching.
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This says, "Carrie Turner,
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M. Van Den Burgh,
May 18th, 1869."
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Wow!
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So, Carrie Turner, who we think
is the Lady in White,
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actually wrote her name
in the window.
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So that kind of
gives me an idea
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that she might be attached
to the house.
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This room, we do get
a lot of activity.
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I have heard things.
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I have
heard conversations.
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It's just very active.
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And it's not
just at nighttime.
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It's all the time.
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Wow.
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And so that's new.
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It has not always been
that active.
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It's intensified probably
over the last two years.
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- Okay.
- Okay.
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What do you think was
the catalyst for that?
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We've got a lot
more people coming,
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and, you know, change
seems to stir things up.
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Okay.
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What should we
look at next?
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Maybe we'll head
to the library.
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So, this is our library.
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Okay.
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These are artifacts
that we have found
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here on the property.
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We find things
all the time,
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and we have things
from almost every time period.
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This is actually a piece
that we found.
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This is a nail
that's been curled.
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- That's really cool.
- Okay.
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And what it is,
is it's a talisman.
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And so the slaves that
came over from Africa,
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they would bring
their religion with them.
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Not Voodoo, but Hoodoo.
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And so this is a form
of Hoodoo.
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They would create things
by curling the iron,
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and it would
become a talisman
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to keep evil spirits away.
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You guys strongly believe
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that that came from
the slaves that were here.
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I actually had an archeologist
look at it,
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and they helped me
by dating things.
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So, do you think that
they had a reason
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to believe they needed
to keep something evil out,
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or is this just something
they did all the time?
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I don't know.
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That's interesting.
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I've never seen
that before.
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Mnh-mnh. Where was this
specifically found?
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Over by
the caretaker's house,
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where the actual
slave quarters was.
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Where to next?
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So, we're gonna
go down here.
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This is
our Winter Kitchen,
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and slaves would have
brought the food over.
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They would heat it up here
to take up to the family.
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We have a lot of activity
down here.
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And what happens
down here?
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I was actually loading stuff
in the dryer,
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and all of a sudden, I heard
someone standing behind me
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with a very deep, gruff voice,
and he muttered something.
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Couldn't hear what
he was saying.
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Wow.
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Where do you feel, like,
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most uncomfortable
on the property?
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There's one place
that I will not go
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because I have very
bad feelings around it.
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It's the caretaker's
house.
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The person
that's in the house
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that has claimed
that space
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can be threatening
at times.
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I personally do not do
anything around it.
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I try to stay away from it.
- Do you go in it?
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No.
The one time I walked in,
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I turned around
and walked right back out.
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And I won't go back in.
- Okay.
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So, do you want to show us
the caretaker's house?
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Yes, but I am not
going inside.
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Well, I can see why
you think it's creepy.
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I mean...
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I think it was built sometime
between 1930 and 1940.
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What's your plan
for this building, eventually?
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We need to burn
the house down.
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- Really? Get rid of it.
- Yeah.
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So you feel that strongly
about it.
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Yeah.
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I'm not joking.
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I am really terrified
of this place.
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I do not like going inside
at all.
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Okay.
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When was the last time
someone lived in this house?
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About four years ago.
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And how did
they feel about it?
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I know
they saw stuff here.
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Has anything else
happened?
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I've had people
that have gone inside,
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and it said some really,
very nasty things.
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It talks
about hurting people.
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It talks about,
"Get out," "Run,"
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"Push," "Death,"
"Hanging."
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Anything to get people
out of the house.
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Do you have any idea who or what
could be causing the activity?
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We think he may be
an old overseer.
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This 1856 map
that we have shows
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that this is where
the slave quarters started,
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and it ran all the way
down this way.
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What do you think initiated
the shift here,
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where this became
kind of a negative space?
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Change seems
to stir things up
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because there's a lot
of construction stuff around.
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Is there anything
that we could do or find out
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that would help you
go into this building?
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I would have to know
that it's completely clean.
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That,
or who it is, yes.
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Okay.
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Honestly, it's just
very scary for me.
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I know. I see it.
I see it in you.
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- Yeah.
- I mean, I see it.
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I can tell.
- Yeah.
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What if we fix
whatever was here?
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Would you go in it?
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- I would try.
- Yeah.
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This is as close
as I really want to get.
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Okay, well, you don't
have to go any further.
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I know you're planning
to go out of town.
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Yes.
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If we have any questions,
we'll call you up.
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Okay, yeah.
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Well, let's go get
our gear together.
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- Yeah.
- All right.
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Michelle is convinced
that the caretaker's cottage
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is the center
of the dark activity,
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but that doesn't explain
why she experiences activity
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in the main house.
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This could mean
the aggressive entity
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is roaming the property.
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We need to make sure
the activity in the main home
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is safe for both
Michelle and her guests.
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Tonight we will focus
on the Lady in White, Jacob,
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and the slaves
that used to live here.
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What is that?
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Is there a little boy in here
who likes to play?
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Because we brought...
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Something just touched
that bear.
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We are at the Belle
Grove Plantation,
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where we just started
to investigate.
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Michelle, the owner,
contacted us about a dark spirit
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that has been threatening
her and her guests.
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We just started
our investigation,
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and something already
caught our attention.
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Hey, Amy?
- Yeah?
255
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What are you looking at?
256
00:10:54,721 --> 00:10:58,857
If you watch this right here
in this area...
257
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That came up.
258
00:11:03,764 --> 00:11:05,163
That's in
the Winter Kitchen,
259
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where the slaves
would have worked.
260
00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,034
I was actually loading
stuff in the dryer,
261
00:11:09,036 --> 00:11:10,502
and all of a sudden,
I heard someone standing
262
00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:13,004
behind me
with a very deep, gruff voice.
263
00:11:13,006 --> 00:11:15,640
We should probably
check that out.
264
00:11:15,642 --> 00:11:17,442
I'm gonna go get that
artifact --
265
00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:18,710
the little -- the nail.
266
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The nail.
267
00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:23,948
We'll use the talisman
as a trigger object
268
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because it was very important
to the slaves that lived here.
269
00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,853
Not only did they make it,
270
00:11:28,855 --> 00:11:32,390
but it was associated with
their religion and protection.
271
00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:34,125
They might feel more
comfortable speaking
272
00:11:34,127 --> 00:11:36,127
if it's in
the basement with us.
273
00:11:44,071 --> 00:11:46,638
Whoever's here with us,
274
00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,943
who might have been a part
of this plantation in the past,
275
00:11:51,945 --> 00:11:56,314
we found this nail
in the ground here,
276
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and we think it might have had
277
00:11:57,651 --> 00:12:00,218
some sort of
significance to you.
278
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Feel free to get closer and look
at it and touch it, okay?
279
00:12:03,457 --> 00:12:06,224
When you do, this will
sound a little alarm.
280
00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:08,793
A proximity sensor is
a detection alarm
281
00:12:08,795 --> 00:12:11,496
that is triggered
when something touches, moves,
282
00:12:11,498 --> 00:12:16,134
or gets within six inches of
the object it's connected to.
283
00:12:16,136 --> 00:12:18,970
Okay.
All right.
284
00:12:18,972 --> 00:12:21,940
During this investigation,
I'll use a voice recorder
285
00:12:21,942 --> 00:12:24,476
that captures
electronic voice phenomenon
286
00:12:24,478 --> 00:12:27,512
that's often only audible
in playback.
287
00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:31,483
We will also use an SLS camera,
which uses infrared light
288
00:12:31,485 --> 00:12:34,719
to detect entities
and outlines them for us.
289
00:12:34,721 --> 00:12:37,288
I know Michelle
introduced us earlier,
290
00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:40,391
but my name is Amy,
and this is Adam.
291
00:12:40,393 --> 00:12:41,793
Hi.
292
00:12:41,795 --> 00:12:45,063
We're doing a lot of research
on the plantation
293
00:12:45,065 --> 00:12:47,899
and people who lived here
and worked here.
294
00:12:47,901 --> 00:12:50,335
It seems like
the Turner family
295
00:12:50,337 --> 00:12:52,637
had a very long
history here.
296
00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:54,806
Did you work
for the Turner family?
297
00:12:57,744 --> 00:12:58,910
Listen to it real quick.
298
00:13:07,254 --> 00:13:09,521
- What?!
- That was a "Yeah."
299
00:13:09,523 --> 00:13:12,490
That was a "Yeah."
Right?
300
00:13:16,163 --> 00:13:17,162
I mean, that's a "Yeah."
301
00:13:17,164 --> 00:13:18,630
Yeah,
they did something.
302
00:13:18,632 --> 00:13:19,798
They're like, "Yes."
303
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,233
All right,
let's keep going.
304
00:13:22,235 --> 00:13:26,538
Who is in the other house
now outside,
305
00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:29,941
where the quarters
used to be?
306
00:13:35,348 --> 00:13:37,282
Can you tell me
your name?
307
00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,354
Would you ever
go out there?
308
00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:46,224
Is there anyone here
we should be afraid of?
309
00:13:47,694 --> 00:13:48,893
Let's listen to these.
310
00:14:08,481 --> 00:14:10,048
Nothing.
311
00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:12,617
We do know, though,
the people that are down here --
312
00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:16,120
they clearly knew Turner.
313
00:14:16,122 --> 00:14:17,522
They worked under Turner.
314
00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:18,990
They said they did.
315
00:14:18,992 --> 00:14:23,394
So, I feel like we just
keep asking questions,
316
00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:25,063
or we go
in the other areas,
317
00:14:25,065 --> 00:14:28,333
ask about the ghosts
that Michelle thinks are here,
318
00:14:28,335 --> 00:14:30,535
and then ask about
these things again
319
00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:31,970
and see if we get
any new information
320
00:14:31,972 --> 00:14:34,739
and just keep digging,
keep investigating.
321
00:14:34,741 --> 00:14:35,907
For sure.
322
00:14:35,909 --> 00:14:36,975
Maybe if we go up
in the bedrooms,
323
00:14:36,977 --> 00:14:38,309
we can investigate
the rooms
324
00:14:38,311 --> 00:14:39,811
that we're gonna be
sleeping in tonight.
325
00:14:39,813 --> 00:14:42,247
And then maybe whatever we do
will kind of rile things up.
326
00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:44,849
- Yeah, for sure.
- All right, let's go upstairs.
327
00:14:54,861 --> 00:14:56,561
Should we bring
Boo Buddy just in case,
328
00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:58,229
'cause there's kids,
supposedly?
329
00:14:58,231 --> 00:14:59,597
Yes, 'cause there are kids.
330
00:14:59,599 --> 00:15:01,065
Let's bring the Spirit Box.
331
00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:02,667
We're going upstairs to
investigate the spirits
332
00:15:02,669 --> 00:15:05,470
that go back and forth between
the historic guest rooms.
333
00:15:05,472 --> 00:15:07,138
We're going to use Boo Buddy
to dry to draw out
334
00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:09,207
the child ghost
Michelle described.
335
00:15:09,209 --> 00:15:11,643
If there is something up there,
we can try to speak with it
336
00:15:11,645 --> 00:15:14,679
using the Spirit Box.
337
00:15:14,681 --> 00:15:15,780
Okay.
338
00:15:15,782 --> 00:15:19,717
So, this is
the Turner Room.
339
00:15:19,719 --> 00:15:21,452
I am going to set up
Boo Buddy.
340
00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:22,787
Boo Buddy is a piece
of equipment
341
00:15:22,789 --> 00:15:24,389
that has pre-programmed phrases
342
00:15:24,391 --> 00:15:26,557
specifically directed
towards children.
343
00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:30,128
It also has additional equipment
inside that senses EMF,
344
00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:33,331
changes in temperature
and motion triggered by spirits.
345
00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:37,735
Why don't we start just trying
to talk to him,
346
00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:40,104
and then we'll move on
to our other techniques?
347
00:15:40,106 --> 00:15:41,839
Absolutely.
348
00:15:44,477 --> 00:15:46,911
Is there a little boy in here
who likes to play?
349
00:15:46,913 --> 00:15:48,479
Because we brought...
350
00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:51,316
I like holding hands with you.
351
00:15:51,318 --> 00:15:53,117
Something just touched
that bear.
352
00:15:56,656 --> 00:15:58,623
Does the person or people
that are in the house outs--
353
00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:00,425
- Scary.
- Outside.
354
00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:03,695
Should we worry about whoever
is in the house outside?
355
00:16:03,697 --> 00:16:05,496
Go get him.
356
00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:20,478
We are investigating
in King George, Virginia,
357
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,280
at the Belle Grove Plantation.
358
00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:24,515
We are in the main house,
trying to see
359
00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:27,385
if this dark entity
is moving around the property.
360
00:16:27,387 --> 00:16:30,421
Is there a little boy in here
who likes to play?
361
00:16:30,423 --> 00:16:31,556
Because we brought...
362
00:16:31,558 --> 00:16:34,792
I like holding hands with you.
363
00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:36,561
Something just touched
that bear.
364
00:16:39,599 --> 00:16:41,699
Can you touch
that bear again?
365
00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:46,637
Can you knock that bear
off the chair?
366
00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:47,739
We heard sometimes
367
00:16:47,741 --> 00:16:50,074
you like to knock things
off of tables.
368
00:16:50,076 --> 00:16:51,442
That tickles.
369
00:16:51,444 --> 00:16:52,510
It got touched again.
370
00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:53,978
Yeah.
371
00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:55,813
We'll go do
the Spirit Box session.
372
00:16:55,815 --> 00:16:58,883
- Yeah, we can.
- Yeah. We should.
373
00:16:58,885 --> 00:17:01,352
A Spirit Box is
an electronic device
374
00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,654
that is used
to contact ghosts.
375
00:17:03,656 --> 00:17:06,290
It allows spirits to use
radio frequencies
376
00:17:06,292 --> 00:17:07,925
to communicate with us.
377
00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:10,294
Adam is wearing
a blindfold and headphones,
378
00:17:10,296 --> 00:17:13,097
so he can hear what messages
are being transmitted
379
00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:16,134
without knowing
what questions I'm asking.
380
00:17:16,136 --> 00:17:19,837
Unlike a digital voice recorder,
this is a real-time conversation
381
00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,939
because the entity
can speak through Adam
382
00:17:21,941 --> 00:17:24,442
like a speaker
to answer my questions.
383
00:17:24,444 --> 00:17:26,210
So, this
is my friend Adam,
384
00:17:26,212 --> 00:17:28,980
and we're gonna try to talk
to you using this little device.
385
00:17:28,982 --> 00:17:31,616
Just answer the questions
that I ask,
386
00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:35,053
and Adam might be able
to hear you
387
00:17:35,055 --> 00:17:37,922
through those
headphones, okay?
388
00:17:37,924 --> 00:17:40,525
Do you ever go
to the house outside?
389
00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:45,496
What is your name?
390
00:17:45,498 --> 00:17:47,165
Adam.
391
00:17:50,036 --> 00:17:53,404
And how old are you?
392
00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:55,106
Be careful.
393
00:17:57,944 --> 00:17:59,777
What should I
be careful of?
394
00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:05,283
Does the person or people
that are in the house outs--
395
00:18:05,285 --> 00:18:06,451
Scary.
396
00:18:06,453 --> 00:18:08,286
Outside.
397
00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:10,955
Do they ever come here?
398
00:18:10,957 --> 00:18:12,757
Help.
399
00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:14,058
Should we worry about
400
00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,194
whoever is in the house
outside coming --
401
00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:18,963
Go get him.
402
00:18:22,702 --> 00:18:24,268
My God.
403
00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:28,106
That was really --
That was weird.
404
00:18:28,108 --> 00:18:29,774
That's, like, the weirdest
one I've ever done.
405
00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,576
- Why?
- I was just, like --
406
00:18:31,578 --> 00:18:32,877
There came a point
when I was just --
407
00:18:32,879 --> 00:18:34,612
I was so out of it.
408
00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:37,048
You did say
some interesting things.
409
00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:39,317
So, like, right off the bat,
I said, "What's your name?"
410
00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:41,752
and you said, "Adam,"
which was strange.
411
00:18:41,754 --> 00:18:43,154
Strange.
412
00:18:43,156 --> 00:18:45,756
And that was
a weird, gravelly,
413
00:18:45,758 --> 00:18:48,059
male, like, "Adam."
414
00:18:48,061 --> 00:18:50,128
Like,
that kind of sound.
415
00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:51,729
And then I said,
"How old are you?"
416
00:18:51,731 --> 00:18:53,030
and you said,
"Be careful."
417
00:18:53,032 --> 00:18:55,133
And I said,
"Be careful of what?"
418
00:18:55,135 --> 00:18:56,667
And you said, "Help."
419
00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:58,569
That "Help" was a child.
420
00:18:58,571 --> 00:19:02,273
It was a small,
tiny voice.
421
00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:04,809
Well, based on that and
the Boo Buddy getting touched,
422
00:19:04,811 --> 00:19:07,411
I think Jacob
the child ghost is here.
423
00:19:07,413 --> 00:19:10,047
Yeah, maybe
he's asking for help.
424
00:19:10,049 --> 00:19:11,382
Maybe.
425
00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:13,918
I said, "Do they ever come out
here into this house?"
426
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,553
and you said, "Help."
427
00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:18,923
The second "Help"
sounded older female.
428
00:19:18,925 --> 00:19:20,725
Not the kids anymore.
429
00:19:20,727 --> 00:19:22,160
Okay.
430
00:19:22,162 --> 00:19:25,796
And then I started to ask
about the house outside.
431
00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:28,566
And before I could even get
the question out,
432
00:19:28,568 --> 00:19:30,468
you just said,
"Go get him."
433
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:34,872
What's interesting for me
is besides the first thing
434
00:19:34,874 --> 00:19:38,409
saying "Adam," everything
was female or a little kid,
435
00:19:38,411 --> 00:19:41,946
and it was
the same female voice.
436
00:19:41,948 --> 00:19:44,148
And the little kid only came
through the one time.
437
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:47,552
And then the gravelly male voice
was right off the bat
438
00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:50,388
and never was here again.
439
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:52,857
So, my theory is
they were talking
440
00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:54,892
and they're telling us,
like, "Help."
441
00:19:54,894 --> 00:19:58,229
And I feel like we just
dive further into it
442
00:19:58,231 --> 00:20:01,966
and go investigate
the caretaker's house.
443
00:20:01,968 --> 00:20:03,935
Based on the conversation
in the main house,
444
00:20:03,937 --> 00:20:05,937
we believe we've confirmed
the presence
445
00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:09,006
of a negative entity
in the caretaker's cottage.
446
00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:10,608
That could mean
that the entity out there
447
00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:12,710
is not only haunting
the people of Belle Grove,
448
00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:14,645
but also the other ghosts.
449
00:20:14,647 --> 00:20:16,714
We've dealt with a lot
of angry spirits.
450
00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:18,883
The first step is starting
a dialogue
451
00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:21,085
and seeing if we can get
any information about
452
00:20:21,087 --> 00:20:24,422
who is out there and why.
453
00:20:24,424 --> 00:20:25,823
Okay.
So, go ahead.
454
00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:29,527
- Y-- Me?
- Yeah.
455
00:20:39,272 --> 00:20:41,205
Man.
456
00:20:44,644 --> 00:20:46,911
This place is a disaster.
457
00:20:49,882 --> 00:20:53,751
The thought of just
tearing down a building
458
00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:57,588
because there's a ghost in it
just baffles me.
459
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:59,557
- Yeah, or setting it on fire.
- Yeah.
460
00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:00,891
They're so scared
of what's in here.
461
00:21:00,893 --> 00:21:04,962
That seems like
a logical solution to them.
462
00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:06,998
- For her, it's the best option.
- Yeah.
463
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,567
What she doesn't realize
is this house isn't original.
464
00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:10,935
So whatever's
in this house
465
00:21:10,937 --> 00:21:12,637
could have came from whatever
was here beforehand.
466
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,306
So it's just
gonna still be here.
467
00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:17,475
I think we need to solve
the problem from the inside out.
468
00:21:17,477 --> 00:21:19,176
Yeah.
469
00:21:26,052 --> 00:21:27,785
That one of us?
470
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,989
- I heard that.
- Yeah.
471
00:21:34,894 --> 00:21:36,761
Sounded like a male.
472
00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:46,337
So, whoever is in this house
who is non-living,
473
00:21:46,339 --> 00:21:48,472
we came here
to visit you.
474
00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:50,875
Are you up
for some visitors tonight?
475
00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:57,715
Seems like you're here
by yourself a lot.
476
00:21:57,717 --> 00:21:59,517
Do you like it that way?
477
00:22:01,487 --> 00:22:03,921
Are you in here?
478
00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:06,857
You can -- If you come closer
to this little red light here
479
00:22:06,859 --> 00:22:10,328
and you talk,
we can hear you.
480
00:22:12,465 --> 00:22:14,131
What's your name?
481
00:22:25,178 --> 00:22:28,012
Let's listen 'cause
there's something going on.
482
00:22:40,626 --> 00:22:42,426
My God!
483
00:22:45,965 --> 00:22:48,599
And right after the war,
in 1868, he did commit suicide.
484
00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:51,635
We're trying to figure out
485
00:22:51,637 --> 00:22:52,937
who's hiding in this building.
486
00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:56,407
My God!
That's his name!
487
00:23:09,088 --> 00:23:10,788
Amy and I
are investigating
488
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:12,056
the Belle Grove Plantation.
489
00:23:12,058 --> 00:23:14,091
Does the person or people
that are in the house outs--
490
00:23:14,093 --> 00:23:15,192
Scary.
491
00:23:15,194 --> 00:23:16,660
Outside.
492
00:23:16,662 --> 00:23:18,362
We are in
the caretaker's cottage.
493
00:23:18,364 --> 00:23:20,731
The owner, Michelle,
is paralyzed with fear
494
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:23,801
by whatever is in here and wants
to burn it to the ground.
495
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,679
Did he say, "**** you"?
496
00:23:35,681 --> 00:23:37,948
He said, "**** you."
497
00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:39,450
That was
a really warm welcome.
498
00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:42,353
We literally
just walked in here.
499
00:23:42,355 --> 00:23:44,455
So, the way you were just
speaking to us,
500
00:23:44,457 --> 00:23:48,325
it sounds like you were using
some vulgar language.
501
00:23:48,327 --> 00:23:50,394
So, if you're gonna try to
make us leave,
502
00:23:50,396 --> 00:23:52,263
you'll probably
have to do something
503
00:23:52,265 --> 00:23:53,531
a little more impressive.
504
00:23:58,438 --> 00:23:59,970
- So...
- Right over me.
505
00:23:59,972 --> 00:24:01,605
Yeah.
506
00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,774
They called us here
because we talk
507
00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:06,710
to a lot
of people like you.
508
00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:09,246
And even though
you're angry,
509
00:24:09,248 --> 00:24:10,781
we're still not
gonna judge you,
510
00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:13,751
and we're still not
gonna be mean back.
511
00:24:13,753 --> 00:24:15,619
Can you tell us your name,
at least?
512
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,756
Here.
Let's listen.
513
00:24:18,758 --> 00:24:23,060
So, the way you were just speaking to us,
514
00:24:23,062 --> 00:24:27,231
it sounds like you were using some vulgar language.
515
00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:28,599
Even though you're angry,
516
00:24:28,601 --> 00:24:30,701
we're still not gonna judge you,
517
00:24:30,703 --> 00:24:33,003
and we're still not gonna be mean back.
518
00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,806
Can you tell us your name, at least?
519
00:24:39,011 --> 00:24:40,110
Nothing.
520
00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:42,646
Well, I think we need
to regroup.
521
00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:44,448
Yeah,
let's call it a night.
522
00:24:46,686 --> 00:24:48,185
That was intense.
523
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:50,020
By nature, like,
that kind of person
524
00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:52,523
isn't gonna volunteer
a lot of information.
525
00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:58,128
During last night's
investigation,
526
00:24:58,130 --> 00:25:00,097
we made two discoveries.
527
00:25:00,099 --> 00:25:01,732
The ghosts haunting
the main house
528
00:25:01,734 --> 00:25:04,468
are scared of whatever is
in the caretaker's cottage.
529
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:07,905
And whatever's out there isn't
gonna talk to us willingly.
530
00:25:07,907 --> 00:25:10,074
Today we are going to focus
on research
531
00:25:10,076 --> 00:25:12,877
and see if we can get
any leads into who is out there
532
00:25:12,879 --> 00:25:16,680
and why they are
so angry and aggressive.
533
00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:18,082
Do you want
to look at some
534
00:25:18,084 --> 00:25:20,317
of the census
records and things
535
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,720
and see if we can figure out
some names to use tonight?
536
00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:23,954
Yeah, I mean, let's --
please.
537
00:25:23,956 --> 00:25:25,990
I mean, I feel like
the history here
538
00:25:25,992 --> 00:25:29,894
is so in-depth that we need
a direction to go in.
539
00:25:29,896 --> 00:25:31,562
And right now --
Just to start, you know?
540
00:25:31,564 --> 00:25:33,197
Right. I mean, she gave us
a lot of names.
541
00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:34,632
Yeah.
542
00:25:34,634 --> 00:25:36,200
But I feel like it would be
helpful if we had some
543
00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:38,402
of just, like, maybe some of
the workers and everything.
544
00:25:38,404 --> 00:25:40,905
- Yeah.
- So let me just bring it up.
545
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:42,339
Let's start
with the Turners.
546
00:25:42,341 --> 00:25:45,743
They were the last family
here to own slaves.
547
00:25:45,745 --> 00:25:48,078
Census records.
548
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,047
Here's the Turners.
549
00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:52,483
We have
Carolinus Turner.
550
00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:54,251
This is their census.
551
00:25:54,253 --> 00:25:57,021
This says "farmer."
That says...
552
00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:59,557
Does that say "overseer"?
553
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,693
We think he may be
an old overseer.
554
00:26:02,695 --> 00:26:04,962
Okay, so,
here's a Baldwin Lee.
555
00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:09,066
It looks like he was
the overseer here.
556
00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:10,701
And this was in 1850.
557
00:26:10,703 --> 00:26:13,037
But, like, all the documentation
relating to it
558
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:15,539
is at the Library
of Virginia.
559
00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:16,907
Okay.
560
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:18,342
We can actually look
at physical copies of this
561
00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:21,545
if we go to the library
and they can pull them for us
562
00:26:21,547 --> 00:26:23,547
so we can figure out
what happened here.
563
00:26:29,121 --> 00:26:31,755
We've reached out
to Dr. Gregg D. Kimball,
564
00:26:31,757 --> 00:26:33,958
Director of Public
Services and Outreach
565
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,659
at the Library of Virginia.
566
00:26:35,661 --> 00:26:37,561
He pulled documents
about Baldwin Lee
567
00:26:37,563 --> 00:26:39,697
and his connection
to Belle Grove plantation.
568
00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:41,432
I have some
original documents
569
00:26:41,434 --> 00:26:42,900
for you to look at.
570
00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:46,203
Thank you so much
for pulling this stuff for us.
571
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:49,306
It sounds like there's a lot
going on at this plantation.
572
00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:50,774
There certainly is.
573
00:26:50,776 --> 00:26:54,645
The Turners were such a huge
part of the plantation,
574
00:26:54,647 --> 00:26:57,014
and it sounds like they had --
575
00:26:57,016 --> 00:26:59,817
their overseer at the time
was Baldwin Lee.
576
00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:01,619
It seems like he worked here
for a long time.
577
00:27:01,621 --> 00:27:03,020
Correct.
578
00:27:03,022 --> 00:27:06,390
So, what did we find as far
as what his history
579
00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:08,192
was with the plantation?
580
00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:09,660
Just --
Just the raw numbers.
581
00:27:09,662 --> 00:27:13,864
He just appears in the census
as an overseer,
582
00:27:13,866 --> 00:27:17,067
except for that he did
commit suicide in 1868.
583
00:27:19,338 --> 00:27:21,071
So, there's this little blurb,
584
00:27:21,073 --> 00:27:22,840
and it says, "Mr. Baldwin Lee,
585
00:27:22,842 --> 00:27:24,942
an upright
and respected citizen,
586
00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:27,945
committed suicide at his home
one day last week
587
00:27:27,947 --> 00:27:30,147
by cutting his throat
with a razor."
588
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,683
Like, that's pretty
extreme, isn't it?
589
00:27:32,685 --> 00:27:34,718
- Yeah.
- And that's right after the war.
590
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,254
Yeah, I mean, the Southern
economy has largely collapsed.
591
00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:40,157
I mean, obviously, the system
you once worked under is gone.
592
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,826
Did he leave the property?
I don't think he did.
593
00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:44,495
He was, like,
on the plantation.
594
00:27:44,497 --> 00:27:45,896
I don't know that we know
595
00:27:45,898 --> 00:27:48,098
whether he's still working
for the Turners.
596
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:50,267
I mean, I'm not --
I don't want to speculate,
597
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:54,605
but it seems like he didn't know
what to do with himself anymore.
598
00:27:54,607 --> 00:27:57,408
He lost a lot.
599
00:27:57,410 --> 00:27:58,742
What was his job?
600
00:27:58,744 --> 00:28:01,245
As an overseer,
there's really not a lot
601
00:28:01,247 --> 00:28:04,581
we can say about
how he conducted himself.
602
00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:07,351
I mean, the nature of the job
was forcing people to work.
603
00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:09,186
He was essentially
a slave driver.
604
00:28:10,623 --> 00:28:12,222
One can imagine there's still
a range of violence
605
00:28:12,224 --> 00:28:14,124
one would use there.
606
00:28:14,126 --> 00:28:15,759
All of those
are open questions.
607
00:28:15,761 --> 00:28:17,861
And it's certainly possible here
there's more to know.
608
00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:19,329
- Yeah.
- Sure.
609
00:28:19,331 --> 00:28:21,598
We now know
Lee killed himself.
610
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,268
So he was obviously
a very troubled man.
611
00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:26,236
If he is in the cottage,
we need to learn more
612
00:28:26,238 --> 00:28:29,106
about what kind of person
we're dealing with.
613
00:28:29,108 --> 00:28:30,808
We called in Rita Wagstaff,
614
00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:32,910
a professor of
African American Studies.
615
00:28:32,912 --> 00:28:36,847
She can tell us more about
his role as an overseer.
616
00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:37,981
I mean, being here now,
617
00:28:37,983 --> 00:28:39,283
it looks so different
from how it did.
618
00:28:39,285 --> 00:28:41,418
And so we're trying
to just understand
619
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:42,619
what life was like.
620
00:28:42,621 --> 00:28:44,455
Where we're standing, like,
slave quarters
621
00:28:44,457 --> 00:28:47,458
started about here
and extended this way.
622
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:50,094
And at one point, I think
they had 192 slaves...
623
00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:51,195
Wow!
624
00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:53,130
...at one point
on this property,
625
00:28:53,132 --> 00:28:54,164
the Turner family.
626
00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:58,936
There was an overseer,
who I guess --
627
00:28:58,938 --> 00:29:00,404
did he manage?
628
00:29:00,406 --> 00:29:01,805
What was his job?
629
00:29:01,807 --> 00:29:03,640
The overseer was the white man
on the plantation
630
00:29:03,642 --> 00:29:05,709
who was in charge
of working the slaves.
631
00:29:05,711 --> 00:29:09,046
Would the overseer ever do
any kind of punishing,
632
00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:10,781
or was he just
in charge of --
633
00:29:10,783 --> 00:29:12,416
Yeah, he would do punishing,
as well.
634
00:29:12,418 --> 00:29:14,885
He would do it, as well.
Okay.
635
00:29:14,887 --> 00:29:17,755
Slaves would be whipped, beat.
636
00:29:17,757 --> 00:29:19,857
Some would be killed.
637
00:29:19,859 --> 00:29:21,058
Who's gonna stop them?
638
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:22,626
- That's right.
- That's true.
639
00:29:22,628 --> 00:29:25,329
I mean, God.
640
00:29:25,331 --> 00:29:27,231
God, it's so hard
to fathom,
641
00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:29,166
but we can't
forget about it.
642
00:29:29,168 --> 00:29:31,835
Now, what's strange here
is that the overseer
643
00:29:31,837 --> 00:29:34,071
we've been kind
of delving into here
644
00:29:34,073 --> 00:29:36,106
just makes me wonder
what kind of person he was.
645
00:29:36,108 --> 00:29:37,407
And it's complete
speculation.
646
00:29:37,409 --> 00:29:38,575
We can't find any records
of him.
647
00:29:38,577 --> 00:29:40,410
He ended up
killing himself.
648
00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:42,112
- My goodness.
- And so...
649
00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:45,549
All the ones I know about
were just malicious people.
650
00:29:45,551 --> 00:29:47,184
Okay.
651
00:29:47,186 --> 00:29:49,086
If Baldwin Lee is
in the caretaker's cottage,
652
00:29:49,088 --> 00:29:51,955
it would explain why we were met
with anger and aggression.
653
00:29:51,957 --> 00:29:54,358
His job was to control
and punish people,
654
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,761
but it doesn't explain
why he's here.
655
00:29:57,763 --> 00:29:59,663
Now that we have a name,
we'll try and engage
656
00:29:59,665 --> 00:30:01,131
the foul-mouth entity to see
657
00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:02,966
if it's actually
the overseer Baldwin.
658
00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:08,572
All right.
659
00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:10,808
This little silver box
that I have in my hand --
660
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:12,743
I know
it might seem strange,
661
00:30:12,745 --> 00:30:14,778
but this can
actually hear you.
662
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:17,381
So go ahead and say
your name as loud
663
00:30:17,383 --> 00:30:20,284
as you can towards
this little red light.
664
00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:26,023
Nothing we've brought here
will hurt you.
665
00:30:26,025 --> 00:30:29,960
We are not here to cause
any harm to anybody.
666
00:30:29,962 --> 00:30:31,762
We're just here trying
to figure out
667
00:30:31,764 --> 00:30:35,465
who's hiding
in this building.
668
00:30:35,467 --> 00:30:38,702
Can you tell me
what family you work for?
669
00:30:45,711 --> 00:30:47,110
All right.
670
00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:04,228
- What was that?
- I heard a name.
671
00:31:08,901 --> 00:31:10,567
My God!
That's his name!
672
00:31:10,569 --> 00:31:11,835
That's his name again.
673
00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:20,978
- Baldwin!
- Baldwin!
674
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:27,551
What happened to you after the Civil War?
675
00:31:27,553 --> 00:31:30,487
...where you always lived until the end?
676
00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:46,270
We are investigating
the caretaker's cottage,
677
00:31:46,272 --> 00:31:49,506
the place Michelle, the owner,
is terrified to enter.
678
00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:51,074
We need to figure out
if Baldwin Lee,
679
00:31:51,076 --> 00:31:53,877
the dead overseer, is here,
or if it's someone else.
680
00:31:53,879 --> 00:31:55,345
And we think we've just
got our answer.
681
00:31:56,649 --> 00:31:58,215
- Baldwin!
- Baldwin!
682
00:31:58,217 --> 00:32:00,117
We don't know what your name is.
683
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,620
I mean, that's clear.
684
00:32:03,622 --> 00:32:06,490
Can you tell me what family you worked for?
685
00:32:08,794 --> 00:32:10,127
- Turner.
- My God!
686
00:32:10,129 --> 00:32:11,228
Are you kidding me
right now?
687
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:12,562
- Does that really say "Turner"?
- Yes!
688
00:32:12,564 --> 00:32:15,999
- I got to come over there.
- It says "Turner."
689
00:32:16,001 --> 00:32:17,734
Listen.
690
00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:23,507
Turner.
691
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:26,176
Baldwin --
He's in this building.
692
00:32:28,347 --> 00:32:31,548
Now we have to get him
to talk to us more.
693
00:32:31,550 --> 00:32:32,983
All right.
694
00:32:32,985 --> 00:32:37,487
Baldwin, what happened to you
after the Civil War?
695
00:32:44,163 --> 00:32:48,065
Was this where you always
lived until the end?
696
00:32:50,035 --> 00:32:51,902
Did something bad
happen to you?
697
00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:00,544
Have you ever tried
to leave?
698
00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:06,917
Did someone stop you
from leaving?
699
00:33:09,822 --> 00:33:12,456
All right, let's see what
you had to say, Mr. Baldwin.
700
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:24,267
Yes.
701
00:33:27,473 --> 00:33:29,172
Have you ever tried to leave?
702
00:33:29,174 --> 00:33:30,574
- My God.
- There's something --
703
00:33:30,576 --> 00:33:32,142
Hold on.
704
00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:38,749
Suicide.
705
00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:44,021
Suicide.
706
00:33:44,023 --> 00:33:45,389
Did someone stop you from leaving?
707
00:33:49,795 --> 00:33:51,261
I mean,
from what we know,
708
00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:52,896
we know
the Turners were here.
709
00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:55,699
The fact that we know
the research, I mean,
710
00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:59,403
it's saying it to us
in our face right now --
711
00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:00,704
is incredible.
712
00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:02,706
He said his name.
He said, "Turner."
713
00:34:02,708 --> 00:34:04,007
He said, "Suicide."
714
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:06,676
We know those three things.
He's here.
715
00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:07,944
It's insane.
716
00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,680
What's also crazy, and
I hate talking about it
717
00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:12,516
because I know
that he's listening --
718
00:34:12,518 --> 00:34:14,618
Can we talk about this
outside for a minute?
719
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:16,319
I'm serious.
- Yeah.
720
00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:17,821
- I don't want to talk in here.
- Yeah, I do, too.
721
00:34:23,462 --> 00:34:27,631
What's happened here
is we've established trust
722
00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:30,634
with someone who probably
isn't a very good guy.
723
00:34:30,636 --> 00:34:33,804
- No.
- What he did was unthinkable.
724
00:34:33,806 --> 00:34:36,506
But at the same time,
725
00:34:36,508 --> 00:34:39,242
we have to carry on this
conversation.
726
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:40,377
Well, right.
Right.
727
00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:41,978
Like, there's a moral
dilemma here.
728
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:44,414
Do we speak
to him on the truth
729
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:45,715
and risk him shutting down
730
00:34:45,717 --> 00:34:47,584
and not speaking to us again
and not getting anywhere?
731
00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:49,386
Exactly.
And he did it to himself.
732
00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:50,954
Did he do it out of guilt?
- We don't know that yet.
733
00:34:50,956 --> 00:34:53,123
Do we know
what his motivation is?
734
00:34:53,125 --> 00:34:56,293
- I mean...
- It's so tough.
735
00:34:56,295 --> 00:34:58,462
We have to keep him
talking to us...
736
00:34:59,832 --> 00:35:01,398
...so that he will tell us
this information,
737
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,968
rather than shutting him off
and alienating him.
738
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:06,269
Yeah,
let's just try to --
739
00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:08,205
Try to go and, like,
just do this.
740
00:35:08,207 --> 00:35:09,673
Yeah.
741
00:35:09,675 --> 00:35:12,576
We are talking to a guy
who beat people for a living.
742
00:35:12,578 --> 00:35:15,278
It is going to be tough
being polite to him.
743
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,813
But we have a job to do.
744
00:35:16,815 --> 00:35:19,349
We need to figure out why
Baldwin Lee is here,
745
00:35:19,351 --> 00:35:21,952
and in the process of getting
answers from Michelle,
746
00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:25,188
maybe we can figure out
why he won't leave.
747
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:27,491
Baldwin, thank you
for talking to us.
748
00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:30,861
Is there a reason why you
were so forthcoming
749
00:35:30,863 --> 00:35:32,696
with that information?
750
00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:39,135
Are you regretful?
751
00:35:43,242 --> 00:35:47,077
Can you help us understand
the work that you did here?
752
00:35:49,848 --> 00:35:51,815
We want
to understand you.
753
00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:07,030
He says, "Regretful."
754
00:36:09,902 --> 00:36:11,901
We would love for you
to go out to that house
755
00:36:11,903 --> 00:36:15,205
and just have a little
conversation with Mr. Lee.
756
00:36:15,207 --> 00:36:17,440
This has to be something
between he and I by ourselves.
757
00:36:29,555 --> 00:36:31,354
We are in
the caretaker's cottage.
758
00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:33,790
We've just discovered that
the menacing ghost
759
00:36:33,792 --> 00:36:35,992
torturing Michelle
and her guests
760
00:36:35,994 --> 00:36:39,329
is an angry overseer
by the name of Baldwin Lee.
761
00:36:39,331 --> 00:36:41,531
He took his own life in 1868,
762
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:43,667
but we still don't know
why he is here.
763
00:36:55,781 --> 00:36:56,947
Yeah.
764
00:36:56,949 --> 00:37:00,083
Is there a reason that you...
765
00:37:00,085 --> 00:37:02,252
I've got
the shivers all over.
766
00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:05,222
Can you help us understand
767
00:37:05,224 --> 00:37:07,457
the work that you do here?
768
00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:08,892
I think he might
be done talking.
769
00:37:11,496 --> 00:37:15,398
It's hard to be that nice
to someone.
770
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,600
Yeah.
771
00:37:16,602 --> 00:37:19,336
Mr. Lee, we're gonna go
and give you some space.
772
00:37:26,545 --> 00:37:28,979
Um...
773
00:37:28,981 --> 00:37:31,114
Okay, so, I think...
- Yeah.
774
00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:32,315
...he thinks it's bad.
775
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,818
Whatever was bad to him
that he did to himself,
776
00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:36,786
he --
that, to me, is regret.
777
00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,121
Yeah.
778
00:37:38,123 --> 00:37:39,956
And you know sometimes
when we meet people like this
779
00:37:39,958 --> 00:37:43,193
that have done these things,
they -- they can change.
780
00:37:43,195 --> 00:37:44,694
- Right.
- Like, their thing --
781
00:37:44,696 --> 00:37:48,898
their being in the afterlife
sort of changes who they are.
782
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,267
Right.
783
00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:51,835
We have shocking
information to tell Michelle,
784
00:37:51,837 --> 00:37:55,071
and we're not sure
how she's going to handle it.
785
00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:56,072
- Hey, guys.
- Hey.
786
00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:58,074
- How's it going?
- Good.
787
00:37:58,076 --> 00:38:00,277
Welcome back to your home.
788
00:38:00,279 --> 00:38:01,911
Thank you.
789
00:38:01,913 --> 00:38:04,414
Well, so, first of all,
I just wanted to say
790
00:38:04,416 --> 00:38:06,516
that we really enjoyed
spending a few days here
791
00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:09,386
because it's a very
comfortable place.
792
00:38:09,388 --> 00:38:10,854
Like, we never, at any point,
793
00:38:10,856 --> 00:38:15,492
felt threatened
or uncomfortable.
794
00:38:15,494 --> 00:38:17,727
I think that it's safe to say
for your guests
795
00:38:17,729 --> 00:38:20,864
and everything that the place
is a wonderful environment.
796
00:38:20,866 --> 00:38:23,366
It's beautiful.
- Thank you.
797
00:38:23,368 --> 00:38:25,035
So, what we really focused on
was we really wanted
798
00:38:25,037 --> 00:38:28,638
to find out what was going on
in the cottage
799
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,541
just because that seemed
to be the area
800
00:38:31,543 --> 00:38:33,643
where you were
the most concerned.
801
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:38,315
Right away, he was pretty direct
about having us in there
802
00:38:38,317 --> 00:38:40,050
and how he felt about it.
803
00:38:45,891 --> 00:38:47,257
Saying, "'F' you."
804
00:38:47,259 --> 00:38:48,191
- Yes.
- You did hear that.
805
00:38:48,193 --> 00:38:49,893
- Okay, twice.
- Okay.
806
00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:51,127
- Twice in a row.
- Twice in a row.
807
00:38:51,129 --> 00:38:53,196
Within seconds of us
trying to talk to him.
808
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:56,399
So, the first thing this guy
is saying to us is intense.
809
00:38:56,401 --> 00:38:58,335
He doesn't want anything
to do with us.
810
00:38:58,337 --> 00:39:00,203
We're just like, "Okay,
let's figure this out."
811
00:39:00,205 --> 00:39:01,971
So, we kind of came back at him.
812
00:39:01,973 --> 00:39:03,073
These are the responses.
813
00:39:10,449 --> 00:39:11,715
Did you hear "Baldwin"?
814
00:39:11,717 --> 00:39:13,016
- Yeah, yeah.
- Yeah.
815
00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:14,718
So, what do you know
about Baldwin?
816
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,419
"Baldwin" was Baldwin Lee.
817
00:39:16,421 --> 00:39:19,155
He was one of the last overseers
at Belle Grove.
818
00:39:19,157 --> 00:39:21,224
We asked him at one point,
you know,
819
00:39:21,226 --> 00:39:23,126
"What happened to you?"
- "Did something bad happen?"
820
00:39:23,128 --> 00:39:24,494
"Did something bad happen
to you?"
821
00:39:24,496 --> 00:39:25,762
And he answers.
822
00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:31,668
Have you ever tried to leave?
Suicide.
823
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:32,902
Yeah.
824
00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:34,437
He committed suicide
by slitting his own throat
825
00:39:34,439 --> 00:39:35,972
with a straight razor.
826
00:39:35,974 --> 00:39:37,407
Yeah, it's more graphic
827
00:39:37,409 --> 00:39:39,476
than you could
possibly imagine.
828
00:39:39,478 --> 00:39:41,311
And so we feel like
what happened
829
00:39:41,313 --> 00:39:45,248
is he's such
a conflicted character
830
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:48,651
because he's someone
that we hate what he did,
831
00:39:48,653 --> 00:39:51,254
and we're not justifying
any of it.
832
00:39:51,256 --> 00:39:53,056
He seems very conflicted.
833
00:39:53,058 --> 00:39:54,924
But what we think happened --
834
00:39:54,926 --> 00:39:57,193
where he's come back here
is like --
835
00:39:57,195 --> 00:39:58,762
almost like a self-imposed
sentence.
836
00:39:58,764 --> 00:40:00,497
Like, we find this sometimes.
837
00:40:00,499 --> 00:40:04,100
For him, we suspect
he's very regretful
838
00:40:04,102 --> 00:40:06,136
and that he is not
going to leave
839
00:40:06,138 --> 00:40:08,905
because he doesn't feel like
he deserves to move on.
840
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:11,441
So, that being said,
what we would love
841
00:40:11,443 --> 00:40:14,244
for you to do,
and we will go with you --
842
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:16,312
is we would love for you
to go out to the house
843
00:40:16,314 --> 00:40:19,115
and just have a little
conversation with Mr. Lee.
844
00:40:19,117 --> 00:40:20,583
How do you feel about it?
845
00:40:20,585 --> 00:40:21,985
- Nervous.
- I know.
846
00:40:21,987 --> 00:40:25,121
We just know
if you talk to him,
847
00:40:25,123 --> 00:40:28,758
you actually might start feeling
more comfortable in that space,
848
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,593
enough to do something with it.
849
00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:33,763
It's just -- It's like you guys
have to kind of work together.
850
00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:36,199
- I could try.
- Okay, let's try it.
851
00:40:38,003 --> 00:40:40,370
Plantations are
inherently violent places
852
00:40:40,372 --> 00:40:43,139
and stand for a time
we can't forget.
853
00:40:43,141 --> 00:40:45,842
- Are you ready?
- I think so.
854
00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:47,210
All right, let's do this.
855
00:40:47,212 --> 00:40:49,345
But Belle Grove
is not a dark place now.
856
00:40:49,347 --> 00:40:51,714
And even though we don't agree
with who Baldwin was
857
00:40:51,716 --> 00:40:54,551
and what he did,
we can't change history.
858
00:40:54,553 --> 00:40:55,819
But we can help the living.
859
00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:57,554
All right, deep breath.
860
00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:02,258
Here we go.
861
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:03,593
Good?
862
00:41:03,595 --> 00:41:05,295
Come on in
between us.
863
00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:06,930
That way...
864
00:41:06,932 --> 00:41:09,399
Just be careful.
865
00:41:09,401 --> 00:41:11,267
Mr. Lee.
866
00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:14,537
Amy and Adam
are back with Michelle.
867
00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:17,674
Baldwin, this is Michelle.
868
00:41:17,676 --> 00:41:19,008
You're okay.
You got this.
869
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:24,614
No.
- No?
870
00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:25,949
- No.
- Okay.
871
00:41:25,951 --> 00:41:27,750
- I'm sorry.
- No, no, you're good.
872
00:41:27,752 --> 00:41:31,254
- It's okay. It's all right.
- You're good.
873
00:41:31,256 --> 00:41:32,922
It's one step at a time.
874
00:41:40,365 --> 00:41:41,998
- I know.
- What are you feeling?
875
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,501
This has to be something
between he and I by ourselves.
876
00:41:44,503 --> 00:41:46,603
- Yeah.
- Okay.
877
00:41:46,605 --> 00:41:51,741
Sometimes it's not a matter
of just an overnight resolution.
878
00:41:53,178 --> 00:41:54,711
And that I feel like
is what's happening here.
879
00:41:54,713 --> 00:41:57,013
- Yeah.
- It'll happen. Just not now.
880
00:41:57,015 --> 00:41:58,114
- It's okay.
- It's okay.
881
00:41:58,116 --> 00:41:59,549
- You're good.
- You didn't --
882
00:41:59,551 --> 00:42:01,284
You're standing on the porch,
and you went inside.
883
00:42:01,286 --> 00:42:03,152
We're proud of you.
884
00:42:03,154 --> 00:42:06,723
This particular case was
so much harder than most for us.
885
00:42:06,725 --> 00:42:08,725
It's not always easy separating
886
00:42:08,727 --> 00:42:11,828
our personal feelings
from the evidence.
887
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:13,496
Honestly, that was
a great first step.
888
00:42:13,498 --> 00:42:15,999
The relationship between
Michelle and Baldwin
889
00:42:16,001 --> 00:42:18,101
has always been based on fear,
890
00:42:18,103 --> 00:42:20,904
but maybe Baldwin is somehow
trying to atone
891
00:42:20,906 --> 00:42:23,606
for the sins
he committed in his life.
892
00:42:23,608 --> 00:42:26,042
Our hope is one day
this will allow Michelle
893
00:42:26,044 --> 00:42:29,546
to stand up to him and feel safe
in the caretaker's cottage.
894
00:42:30,305 --> 00:42:36,160
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