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Let me guess.

You're lookin' for a lift, right?

Yeah, that'd be great.

Mr Small...

Given the similarities
of the murder sites

and the fact that we have now
recovered seven bodies,

I do think it is fair to say that
there is a serial killer at work.

Clive and I thought you might
want to take a look at this.

A lot of these Milats, they have
records, they live in the area,

and they all love guns.

Yeah, Paul, I don't want
gut feelings,

I don't want hunches.

I want a case that is provable
in the Supreme Court.

Over 2,000 people were put forward
as suspects last night.

And if we're lucky,
one of them will be guilty.

So, our biggest problem
is information overload

with what is a very old
and overmatched computer system.

Consolidating? Organising?

The new computer, it's not
gonna find anyone. We are.

How's Paul Gordon going?

He's working hard, Clive.

I'm not sure he's a team player.

We weren't supposed to get
a list of his friends.

We were supposed to
get the timesheets.

Not make waves - that was the brief.

We'll be OK.

Do you have any suspects yet?

None that we're prepared
to share with YOU, Ms Kilmartin.

Yes?

What about all their gear?
Packs, sleeping bags?

He would have got
rid of them if he had any sense.

The murder weapon is a Ruger 10/22.

It has a 10-round rotary box,

which means the killer emptied
a full magazine into Ms Clarke.

Oh, sh... shit...

Stop the car! Stop the car!

Get back in the bloody car!

What if it's got
nothing to do with backpacking?

What if it's just simpler -
hitchhiking and Liverpool?

December 30?

Ivan was on holidays.

January 20?
Off.

December 26?
Off again.

April 18?

Off.

It's Ivan Milat.

G'day. Where you headed?

Relax...

Where you headed?

- I build these bloody roads.
- Relax, will ya...?

It's a short-cut.

G'day.

Hey, um, I'm Mary.
Therese.

- How are ya?
- Good.

Jump in.

Are you going to Canberra?

Goin' that WAY.

Oh, thank you so much!

No worries.

Ah, it's a bloody terrible world,
though, isn't it, you know?

Tch!

People dyin' in wars, people dyin'
of starvation, all over the world.

Terrible.

Jeez, mate. Lighten up.

So, um, what are you doin'
in Albury?

I'm, um, goin' shootin'
with me brother.

Thanks again for driving us
to Canberra.

We were waiting for ages.

Yeah, no worries.

Um... Where are you going?

This is not the highway.

Won't be a sec.

I'll just have a piss.

Mary, I think
he's going to get a gun.

No, it's OK...

Alright, girls.

Who wants to do me first?

You've got to be joking, right?
No, I'm not jokin'.

Come on, come here!

Hey, settle down! Relax, will ya?
Relax! Come on!

Oh, shit! Oh! Aagh!

Run, Therese!
Shit, you bitch! Come back here!

Come back here, you bitch!
Come back here!

You fuckin' bitches, get back here!

Come back and get back in the car,
you bitches!

I'll bloody find ya!

I knew you'd panic, Mum.

We're nowhere near the earthquake.

Ring us when you
get there, Joanne.

I really don't
like you hitchhiking, OK?

Grape picking.
Can you imagine ME doing that?

So, um, anyway, give us a call.

You're keeping safe, aren't you?

- I miss you.
- And we'll send money.

If you need money, we'll send money,
but no hitchhiking, alright, darling?

Right. Harris - he has
a history of sexual assault.

He's known to frequent the Belanglo
Forest and he owns a Ruger .22.

He's currently serving time
for armed robbery,

but was not in jail
at the time of the murders.

Let's talk to his cell mate. Find
out what stories he's got to tell.

No. No, absolutely not.

Not until we get more evidence.

We don't want to alert him
to our line of inquiry.

That goes the same for all
our persons of interest - all 150.

We keep our distance, alright?

How are we going on that Milat file?

Well, we have the work records back
for both Richard and Ivan Milat.

Now, it turns out that Richard was
working on most of the key dates,

but not Ivan - he was off every one.

He was also working on
a road gang around Galston.

And the same time, that Gibson boy's
backpack was found.

I mean, he could have stashed
that there, run us off the scent,

keep us away from Belanglo.

- What's Ivan's form?
- Nothing that stands out.

Just a bit of petty crime as a kid.

No, no, that doesn't sound right.
Not from what I've heard about that family.

The profiler reckons they're a fit.

Now, who did the background on this?
Gordon.

Right, well, get him to go back
and do it again.

Who's next on our list?

Bruce Pryor.
Bloke who found the skull?

Yeah.
We still haven't eliminated him?

Alright, get Gordon to do it
and get him to do it properly.

I'll do it now.
Thanks, Royce.

The boss wants you to go back
and check Ivan's criminal history.

Why? What'd he say?

He wants to know you got it right.
Of course I got it right.

And we also need you to go
and re-interview Bruce Pryor.

Oh, come on, Royce. You know
nobody thinks that Pryor did it.

It's about doing due diligence
on every lead. You know that.

I thought we were going off the idea
that the killer was a local.

Now, all the victims, they were
heading south from Sydney.

Why is that, Royce? Because our guy
lives in or near the Liverpool area.

That's why.
I'm not gonna argue your logic.

The potter needs to be interviewed.

Right.

So, I go out there
and find us the best lead

and you want me out there,
ticking boxes.

Are you with us, Paul?

Tick.

Bruce? Bruce Pryor?

Yeah.

I'm Detective
Senior Constable Paul Gordon.

This is my colleague, Detective
Senior Constable Mark Camenzuli.

Go inside, love.

What's this about?

Do you pick up
hitchhikers, Bruce?

No. What are you saying?

Is there something
that you want to tell us?

Like what?

Like why you were wandering around
on that particular fire trail.

I just hadn't looked at it before
and I was kind of drawn to it.

OK. Drawn to it - what do you mean?

Well, I thought I might find
something there

and, so, I went for a walk -
that's all.

Look, I've got to ask you, Bruce -

are you in any way responsible
for the death of Deborah Everist?

What?! No! Or responsible for
the death of James Gibson?

No. I was just trying to help!

I've got two daughters. You think
I could do something like that?!

Where are we going now?

While we're here, I want to
check the crime scene.

Are you thinking one or two killers?

Does Ivan smoke?

I don't know.
I'll go ask him, shall I?

No, there were cigarette butts found
at the Clarke and Walters scene,

right by the shell casings.

And Gabor was a big guy. He wouldn't
have been easy to deal with.

Not if you're dealing with Anja.

And if someone else was with him...
I'm such an idiot.

Wha... what's happened now?

When I first checked the microfiche,

I didn't check
all of Ivan's records.

Wait, wait, wait...
Just... back up. Back up.

See? Ivan was charged for rape
at the Supreme Court in 1971.

I think that Ivan's our killer.

Tell me more about this rape charge.

What were the circumstances?

The microfiche file,
it didn't contain a lot of detail.

But you went and cross-checked
court records, right?

Not yet.

Not good enough, Detective.

I'll chase up the detail
of the '71 rape trial.

But I really think Ivan's our...
Good. Good. Carry on.

See if you can find a reason
why Ivan CAN'T be our killer.

Thank you.

Alright. Here we go.
You're gonna love this.

Picked 'em up hitchhiking
from Liverpool to Melbourne.

You're bullshitting.
It says hitchhiking?

It's no bullshit. Come on.

Their names are Greta and Margaret.

"He picked us up
on our way from Liverpool.

"We were hitchhiking to Melbourne.

"The driver said
he was going to Canberra.

"We said the Canberra turn-off
would be fine.

"I had a bit of a doze.

"Woke up in the car.

"We say..."

Where are we?

"What are you doing?"
What are we doing?

"He says...

"..'I'm gonna have sex
with both of you.

"'If you don't, I'm gonna kill you.'

"I tried to make a run for it."

"'Are you gonna rape us?'

"And he says...

"'Yeah, you could call it that.'"

Shhh!

"And then pulls a knife,

"and then two lengths of
pink nylon cord."

You're right, Paul.

It's Ivan Milat.

It's... it's all there -
what he said, how they got away,

his arrest,
how he absconded from bail...

He was found not guilty.

Milat's solicitor
ripped into the girl on the stand.

By the time he was done with her,

she couldn't say for certain
if the sex wasn't consensual.

The fact that he was never convicted
doesn't help our case.

No, a good defence counsel
would use it against us.

With all due respect,
I think the main point here

is that he pulled a knife on them,
he tied them up with a cord,

just like with Everist,
Clarke and Walters.

It's exactly the same M.O.
It's Ivan Milat. He's our guy.

Yes. Thank you, Detective.

He wants us to go and arrest Ivan.

We're both up for
a Commissioner's commendation.

Everything I suggest,
he looks at me like I'm an idiot.

You know, we keep
trying to exculpate Ivan,

he keeps jumping back
into the frame.

Yeah... Well...

He let the girls live.
Oh, yeah.

They were still his captive when
he arrived at the petrol station.

If one of the girls hadn't
raised the alarm,

who knows what Ivan
would have done with them?

So...

He let's these two tiny women
get away,

and we're gonna say he took out this
big German bloke and his girlfriend.

Well, it was 1971.

Maybe he was, you know,
still starting out.

You know, this killer is...

..he's more than covering tracks.

And what he did to those kids...

..he's enjoying himself.

That's why he kills.

Rod, I'm thinking...

..we keep Royce's team focused
solely on the Milats.

Alright? Get 'em to work up
a family tree -

girlfriends, wives, friends of
the family, jobs, car regos...

..cover all bases, eh?

A leading
Australian criminologist has warned

that the backpacker serial killer
will keep on killing.

Dr Paul Wilson says the murderer
has an insatiable urge

for sex and violence,

and won't be put off by
the publicity about his victims.

We've come here today,
where something wicked has happened,

to show the world that evil
cannot have the last word.

So that one day, this place
will be peaceful again,

and its memories be put to rest.

I'd like to call, now,
for two minutes silence.

Thank you, all.

You know, this is a big
international news story now.

It opened on the Berlin news.

I hear the Tourist Commission is concerned
with the impact on travel numbers.

Show some respect.

Paul?

It was a... it was a nice... service.

It was good to meet Pat
and some of the other parents.

Got any leads yet?
Oh, Ray, he can't talk about that.

We're making some headway.

If you find him, you promise me...
Ray...

..you call me.

Ray, please.
I want five minutes alone with him first.

I used to think...

..the most dreadful thing
was not knowing.

But it's not.

You alright?

I reckon it's time we have a chat
with some of Ivan's workmates.

We don't have the clearance.
Paul, we can't do that!

You know that!
Fuck it, alright?

It's time we rattled some cages.

You've gotta be bloody jokin'.

They were great.

Artie Bigman?

Who wants to know?

Did Ivan ever
bring a gun in to work?

Come on, Artie.
It's a simple question.

You ever see Ivan
bring a gun in to work?

He used to pack a .38.

Used to keep it in a bag
on the front seat of his car.

I think it was an ex-security gun.

What was he doing with it?
I don't know. Didn't ask.

Why not?

You don't ask - not with Ivan.

He couldn't have done that
to those kids. He's a good bloke.

He's a good bloke but he's got an
unlicensed .38 under his car seat.

Ivan thinks he's one of those
soldier-of-fortune types.

If the world turns to shit,

he can look after himself,

with his guns and his knives,

livin' off the land, like Rambo.

You ever seen Ivan fire the gun?

No.

I saw him use a .22 rifle
once, though.

He put a silencer on it.

I think he made it himself.

And you think you'd be able to
show us where he fired it?

No, it was too long ago.

Oh, there is one thing. He...

One day, he came in to work.

He parked next to me
in the car park.

He was all excited.

He showed us this bullet hole
in the door of his car.

He reckons he was
putting his guns in

and one of 'em went off.

I thought it was a bit strange,
a bit out of character,

'cause he's always been
such a careful bastard.

When was that?

Oh, '92.

Early January, '92.

I don't suppose you remember what kind
of car Ivan was driving at the time?

Ivan... Robert Marko Milat.

You don't?

Well, can you check again
for me, please?

Roads and Traffic have no record

of Ivan owning
a Nissan 4-wheel drive.

There's no record of him
owning the car, period.

Um, thank you. Thanks for your time.

I need a real drink.

The search
is every bit as determined

behind the scenes of Australia's

largest ever homicide inquiry.

Around 40 police

make up Task Force Air.

Behind them are teams of
scientific officers

and intelligence analysts.

These are the people.
These are the shooters clubs here.

In front is a man
regarded by his peers,

sometimes grudgingly,

as one of Australia's
sharpest investigators,

Superintendent Clive Small.

Well, we're prepared for it
to take as long as necessary -

to follow up every lead,
do everything we possibly can

to ensure that the person or persons
involved are brought to justice.

So, you're in it
for the long haul?

Yes, the... the long haul.

For this earlier stage
of the inquiry,

police have adopted what they call
a bottom-up approach.

They've dug into the forest
of paper, the mountain of clues,

looking to extract
the most promising leads.

Investigators are well aware

that the killer is unlikely
to have been always successful.

Can you believe that?

'Milat' on the whiteboard,
for the world to see.

We had no money
to catch transport...

Oh, shit.
..back to Canberra.

So, we decided to hitch.

A man picked them up
and, claiming he knew a shortcut,

turned into bushland
not far from Belanglo.

There he stopped
and began his attack

on the young woman's friend.

He said, "OK, girls,
which one of you wants it first?"

At that point, Mary,
she had her arms like this

and she just... punched him the face

and screamed at me to run.

Who the hell is she?

The two women escaped
into bush near here and lay hidden,

while the assailant drove
back and forth, looking for them.

Now, uh, some of you may be aware

that some sensitive information
was made available

on the ABC Four Corners program
last night.

I have contacted the producers.

They have assured me
that the Milat name

will be pixelated out of
all future broadcasts.

His shit doesn't stink.

Paul...

Sir, with all due respect,

I want to know how come
no-one bothered to tell me

about the 1977 abduction attempt.

How come the first time I hear of
them is when I switch on the telly?

You know how many thousands of leads
we got in November.

They were hitching from Liverpool.
He takes them to Wombeyan.

That's Milat's country.

Did no-one think to share
this information...?

The information was available.

Yeah, on the computer, only
if you punch in their names.

I mean, how am I gonna
be across everything

if nobody tells me
what's going on?

You don't need to be
across everything. That's my job.

Fuck it.

You know this happened 17 years ago.

I'm not sure I'll remember.

I was sitting in the back.

I only ever really got to see his
eyes through the rear-vision mirror.

There's no pressure
to pick anyone out.

Those eyes most closely resemble
the man who attacked us.

This fella here?

Yes.

It's bullshit, alright?

It's time that we brought Ivan in,
put some fuckin' heat on him.

That's not gonna happen. You
know how Clive wants to play this.

Come on.

We've got two separate cases of Ivan
abducting hitchhikers in the '70s.

It's too old, Paul.

We can't use Therese's I.D. The
defence team will cut us to pieces.

Why is everyone so obsessed
about a possible trial?

We've gotta catch the guy first.
I just got a lead on that car.

Ivan had it registered under
his brother's name, Bill Milat.

Shit! Are you guys gonna pay for that?
Hey, just take it easy.

There's our bullet hole.

Look, here we go.

Repairs to paintwork,

passenger side door panel,

January 10, 1992.

Yeah. That's not long after
Gabor and Anja went missing.

You think he shot at Gabor?

It's at thigh height.

Yeah.

Warning shot, maybe.

You know, "Don't do
anything stupid."

There you go, Artie.
Get yourself a beer into you.

I've been meaning to tell you, some
cops come to see me the other day.

They were asking after you.
Oh, yeah?

Wanted to know about
you and your guns.

They haven't come to see me yet.

From that Task Force Air.

The one set up
for the, uh, backpacker killings.

What's goin' on?
Mum's good plate. Don't drop it.

Alright.

Ivan?

Ivan?

Ivan?

Are you coming to bed?

Ivan?

You know, I've typed
about 100 different ways

of entering "Silver 4-wheel drive"

and drawn a blank every time.

I thought that this system
was meant to spit out links.

Doesn't even recognise 'hitchhiker'
when I type it in.

Here, give me a look.

Now what are you doing?

The best leads are always
in the first day's running sheets.

There's, like, thousands
of entries here.

Mm.

Alright.

If you can't beat 'em...

..let's join 'em.

I got us some Chinese.

Look at this.

A Pommy guy called Paul Onions

rang the hotline
in November last year.

Now, he said that
he was held at gunpoint

while hitching somewhere on the
Hume Highway, near Bowral, in 1990.

He shot at him.

Yeah, broad bloody daylight.

Now, look, there was a witness,
right? Some woman from Canberra.

Now, she drove him to Bowral Police
Station where he made his statement.

So, we should call Bowral Police.
I rang Bowral. They have no record of it.

So, it's just another
prank call then.

No, no, no, no.

You see, Onions mentions making
a statement to a Janet Nicholson.

Now, she was the constable
manning the desk in Bowral.

That part checks out.

So, if this is true...
If this is true...

..we've found one that got away.

Yeah, I remember it all
quite vividly.

Did he give you a name?

He said his attacker
said his name was Bill,

that he had a moustache
like that cricketer, Merv Hughes...

He stole everything.

He got my pack, he got
my plane ticket, he got my passport.

Fuck!

Slow down, slow down, it's OK.
Do you remember anything about him?

He said he was Yugoslav
and divorced.

Anything else?

Yeah, he worked on the roads
near Liverpool.

Good.

Um, here.

These are my initial notes
as I took them down

when Mr Onions first came in.

What did you do
after you took his statement?

I circulated a description
of the offender and his vehicle

on police radio

and then I wrote up a report.

These are all good leads.

Yes.

A more thorough investigation,
they might have had him.

Yes.

"I suspect the indictable offences
of murder, attempted murder,

"armed robbery,
abduction and assault

"have been committed by
Ivan Robert Milat,

"and I believe for the purposes of
investigating these offences

"the use of listening devices
is necessary.

"In a statement given to Constable
Janet Nicholson from Paul Onions

"concerning his attempted abduction
on the 25th of January 1990,

it was recorded that during
the trip from Liverpool,

"the offender stated
his name was Bill,

"he worked for the RTA,

"he was divorced

"and of a Yugoslav origin,

"with a Merv Hughes moustache.

"A passport photo lodged in 1989

"shows Ivan as having
dark brown hair

"and a Merv Hughes moustache.

"When taken with other information,

"the 1971 rape charges
of Greta and Margaret,

"the 1977 attempted rape
of Mary and Therese,

"and the bullet-hole in the door

"of the previously owned
4-wheel drive..."

Where does this take us?

I need evidence to go to
a magistrate for a listening device.

With all due respect, Mr Small...
No, it is not going in.

You keep going on and on
about listening devices.

How are we going to get into
Ivan's house?

Alright? You've seen
his security system, his alarms.

How are we going to get them
in his house?!

I'm just saying that right now,
Ivan's probably with his brothers...

Correct the report, resubmit it,
taking out listening devices.

Was there something else?

Thanks, Rod.

Thanks, mate.

Some of the best people
are difficult to manage.

No, we don't want to
push too hard on Ivan yet.

Look, that is exactly
what we should be doing.

Alright? That's when people
make mistakes.

We've just gotta go for it,
alright, Neil?

We can't sit around, waiting
for Ivan to call all the shots.

Clive is a fuckin' pussy.

Fuck.

I'm calling from Australia.
I'm with Task Force Air.

I'm working on the backpacker
murder investigation.

Hang about. I called you blokes
last November.

You're only just
getting back to me?

Yeah, look, I do apologise Paul.

We have had a lot of other leads
to follow up.

Well, how do I know
you are who you say you are?

I mean, you could be anyone.

Yeah, well, I have the copy of the
record of your call to the hotline.

Uh, the name of the constable
who took your original statement,

her name is Janet Nicholson.

The name of the woman who stopped
to pick you up was Joanne Berry.

Alright. So, you have
everything you need.

I'm afraid your official statement's
been misplaced.

You're kidding me.

We're gonna need you to come back
out here and make a formal statement

in relation to the man
who tried to rob you.

You want me to go back to Australia?
I can't. I've got a job.

Look, we'll fly you out. We can cover
you for the period that you're off work.

I dunno, mate.

There's seven dead kids here, Paul.

Help us put this bastard away.

Onions called the hotline
in November.

So did Joanne Berry.

She was the woman driving
the Tarago, who picked him up.

It's all there.

The computer missed
the link, I guess.

This is the best lead
we've had so far.

Right, well, we need to bring
this Onions bloke out.

What time is it in England?
I've already called him.

I've told him that we'd cover him
for his time off work.

That... that wasn't
your call to make, Detective.

I was just doing my job, that's all.

Alright, Paul.

"Nice job, Paul."
Well done, Paul.

I'm thinking it's time we organised
surveillance on Ivan.

Alright.

But I want 'em set way back, right?

I don't want Ivan
getting an inkling.

So, you don't want
the surveillance squad to be seen.

Alright. I'll be sure to tell 'em.

Rod, I mean it.

Ivan cannot know we're onto him.

Wally?

G'day, it's me, Mac.

Listen, mate, I'm gonna need
a hand to move some gear.

Oh, yeah?

What gear?

Just some stuff.

Where are we moving it to?

Your place.

When?
Now. Is that alright?

You know that Chalinder has never
ever seen me with a gun in my hand?

Well, why don't we get her down
the block, stick an SKS in her hand?

Come on, mate.
She's not that kind of chick.

Alright, so, what do you guys
do for...

You know, what do you do for kicks?

Well, we spend
a lot of time at home,

watching movies, reading.

Readin'?
Yeah. Novels.

Fuck me!

What? I read novels.

Fuckin' hell. Ivan's reading.

Ivan's pussy-whipped, mate.

Shut up, will ya?

Alright, boys,
let's get this show on the road.

So, we just got a tip-off
from the AFP boys.

Harris was under surveillance

at the time Clarke and Walters
went missing.

Right.

And these are the latest from
the surveillance team on Milat.

- We think he's moving gear.
- Well, who owns that truck?

Walter - his brother.

We could apply for
a search warrant.

No, no. What if we find nothing?
We'll have shown our hand.

No, we'll just wait and see
what happens with the Onions I.D.

G'day, mate. You're
lookin' for a lift, aren't ya?

Just in your own time, Paul.
Take us through what happened.

Well, that's the shop.

That's where he picked me up.

You do know where he is, don't you?

I hope he doesn't live
anywhere near my hotel.

You'd check that, wouldn't you?

You guys, uh...
You guys feel free to talk.

It'd make me feel a little
more comfortable if you did.

Do you, um, get any
special forces training in the navy?

I'm an engineer.
Engineer, huh?

How long you been in Australia?

You meetin' anyone in Melbourne, are ya?
You look a bit tired, mate.

Why don't you have a sleep?

- I'll look after the drivin'.
- Stop. Stop the car, stop the car.

Here...

Yep.

Yeah, it happened here.

No, what are you doin', mate?

- Stay in the bloody car!
- I'm just stretching my legs.

No...
Stay in the car!

The bullets in the chambers,
they had, um...

They had... they had copper tips.

Get back in the car
and put your seatbelt on.

Then he pulled out these ropes.

And that scared me
more than the gun.

I just scarpered, mate.

Get back in the fuckin' car,
you prick!

That was it, I...

I was that close to him.

Yeah.

You're one lucky Pommy bastard,
you know that?

I want you to go through
the video slowly

and see if you have
any reactions to the faces.

I mean, it's been a long time.

You know, if... if I can't I.D. him,
you've got other stuff, right?

There is no pressure on you,
Paul, to make a decision.

Yeah, I don't know about that, mate.

Alright, let's do it.

Take as much time as you need.

As you'll see, the photos
are numbered from 1 to 10.

So, if you see the person
who assaulted you there,

if they're depicted in it,

you can pick them by number.

Alright, can I see,
um, number 4 again?

Yeah. Yeah, that's him.

Are you sure?

Yeah, that's definitely him.

It's number 4.

His identical face - I seen that
approaching me at the newsagency.

Got him.

You know, this happened in 1990,
four years ago.

Ivan had only killed
two people by then.

Five of those kids
would still be here.

I thought I told the dog squad
to keep their distance.

I'm not sure we can blame this
on the doggies.

Paul Gordon's running sheet
since February.

Paul Gordon?
What's he got to do with it?

He's been talking to Ivan's work
colleagues and known associates.

Your job was to obtain work records,
times and dates -

not talk to Ivan's work colleagues.

I was following leads.

Yes, well, you went well beyond
your brief, Detective.

Now you've given Ivan weeks
to start getting rid of evidence.

Well, maybe if we had listening
devices, we'd know what he's up to.

Do you actually know
how to get listening devices?

You've got to prove to a judge that you
have no further means of investigation.

We could not have done that
at the time.

So, now all we've got him for
is armed robbery of Onions.

I've got no evidence
to charge him with the murders,

and now you've given Ivan the heads
up, I've got even less chance...

It wasn't me who plastered Milat's
name all over the bloody telly.

Well, we were playing
the long game, son.

I told you that.
You wouldn't listen...

I just want to catch this maniac!

Is that right?

Anyone in this room not want to
catch this maniac? Anyone?

Does anyone not want to catch him?!

I don't think so!

Congratulations.

You might have just
completely stuffed this case, son.

Clive...

We have to go in, Al.

We've got to raid Ivan.

Oh...

He knows we're lookin' at him
'cause of that...

..goose.

But if we go in
and we find nothing...

You've still got
the Englishman's statement...

No. No, no, no, no.

That alone is not enough to convince
a jury beyond reasonable doubt

that Ivan did the murders.

If we don't find direct evidence

linking him to the murders...

..we're all screwed.

Because of Paul Gordon,
we're forced to move sooner.

So, Neil...
I'll need SPG.

20 men armed with assault rifles,

another 20 investigators
on the ground for the search.

No, you've got that.

Uh, and Bob, you'll be
in charge of south team.

You'll be coordinating
simultaneous raids

on the target's family members,

including Richard,
Walter and William

and, also, the family shooting range
in Wombeyan.

Now, we're looking for any evidence

associated with
the seven backpackers,

plus cartridges, guns...

We also need to be mindful

we are yet to locate
Anja Habschied's skull.

Any questions so far?

When do we go in?

May 22.
Two weeks.

Yeah, obviously, we don't want
that information getting out to the press.

Royce?

Royce, we want to go and pay a visit
to Karen Duck, Ivan's ex-wife.

You two should be keeping your heads
down low. That's what you should be doing.

Onions' statement
needs corroboration.

Karen and Ivan
have been estranged for years.

She's not gonna be telling Ivan
we came knocking.

I'm figuring Karen might be able
to shore things up -

his car, guns, Belanglo?

Dotting the i's,
crossing the t's, Royce.

I just want to get this bastard,
like anyone else.

I'm not here to fuck things up.

He raped me on our, uh, first date.

And he gave it to me up the Khyber
on our wedding night.

Little trick he learned inside,
he reckoned.

Don't see you puttin' that
in your book.

Why'd you stay?

He was good to my kid.

Can you tell us anything about
the car he was driving in 1990?

The Nissan?

Any detail you remember?

Yeah, um... I remember

he had... he had these,
um, woolly seat covers.

I need to ask you some details.

I need some... help...

That's rich.

You blokes weren't around
when I needed you, were ya?

He held me prisoner in my own home.

What's this?

What's your problem, Karen?

Huh?

Ivan ever take you for a drive
to... Belanglo?

One time.

Put it out of its misery, Ivan.

Ivan, please...

You blokes better look after me.

I'm gonna need protection.

We'll make sure you're looked after.

He burnt my folks' garage
to the ground. You know that?

Why'd he do that?

'Cause I left him.

Ivan doesn't like it
when people leave him.

Well, I've gotta be honest
with you, mate. We like it.

But I'm wanting the V8 3-door.
Can you do that?

I can do that.

In... What colour was it, love?
'Epsom Green'.

'Epsom Green'.
Not a problem.

So, we have a deal, then?

Oh, yeah, sure.

You do the right price for me
on the trade-in,

we've got a deal, mate.

Bring your car round,
I'll see you're looked after.

Nice doing business with you, Bill.

Why did you tell him
your name was Bill?

Put the car in my brother's name,

get a little bit of a cheaper deal on
the rego 'cause he lives in the country.

That's naughty.

OK. It's naughty.

Naughty.
So, you happy?

I love it.

What's the latest
surveillance report?

Oh! You're gonna love this.

He's just put a deposit down
on a brand-new Land Rover Discovery,

worth about $50,000.

What kind of man buys a car

while he has half of
New South Wales Police on his tail?

The kind of man who's confident
he won't be caught.

Well, if you want to
call this off, I mean...

..you have to wear this decision.

You want to call this off?

Raids will be executed
on a number of properties,

but the primary target being
20 Wattle Grove Eagle Vale.

Once the perimeter has been secured,

the negotiator,
Detective Sergeant Wayne Kingston,

will make contact with
the SPG in position

to apprehend the suspect.

Now, once the suspect
and the house have been secured,

the arrest team of Detective
Neil Birse and Royce Gorman will move in,

followed by the search team.

Where's Royce?
Uh, Royce just called in sick.

He what?
Uh, I know.

We have to find someone to
take his place on the arrest team.

Alright, Detective Gordon
will assist Detective Birse.

Uh, now, warrants have been
obtained for various items,

including clothing,
camping equipment, cameras, ropes,

ammunition, and a Ruger 10/22.

This building is to be searched
from roof to floor.

I want every detail logged,
every item recorded.

Alright? One more thing.

There is a large
media presence expected.

No-one is to speak to the media

or say anything that
may jeopardise this case.

Is that clear?
Yes, sir. Yes, boss.

Good.

OK, everybody. Let's go!

Congratulations, mate.
You just made arresting officer.

No, no, Clive's just looking for a
patsy in case it all goes pear-shaped.

Clive chose you
because you deserve it.

Richard Milat.

Yeah?
Detective Godden.

Good on ya.

We have a warrant
to search your premises.

Walter Milat?

Detective Senior Constable
Mark Camenzuli.

I have with me a warrant
to search this property.

Get the fuck off my property.

Alright, let's go, guys...
No, you get the fuck out of here!

No, get off my...

I pay my taxes.
That makes me your fuckin' boss!

Are you gonna get that, David?

Mm.

It's those Christians again, Mum.

Number one
in position, ready to go.

I tell ya, we better
find something there.

We don't want to come out of Ivan's
with our dicks in our hand.

We will.

Hello.

Mr Ivan Milat, is it?

No. Unfortunately, Mr Milat's
not here at the moment.

Is that the premises
at 20 Wattle Grove, Eagle Vale?

That's correct.

Detective Sergeant Kingston's
my name.

I'm a negotiator with
the State Protection Group.

Now, police are around
those premises.

They're in possession of
a search warrant

to search those premises in relation
to an armed robbery matter.

OK.

Now, I want you to come outside,

for the safety of yourself
and whoever's in the house with you.

Okey-doke.

Can you tell me who else
is in the house with you?

Yeah, just me girlfriend, mate.

Righto, mate.
You come out the door now.

I'll tell you what -
I'll just put me pants on first, OK?

Ivan...

It's the police.
They want us to go outside.

You better get dressed, love.

What - the police? Wha...?

Ivan, where... where are you going?

What are you doing?

Ivan, what are you doing?

Alpha One,
we have movement in the garage.

Go again.

Ivan, the phone...

Tell 'em somethin'. Anything.

Come out. Iv...

- Hello?
- Hello. Is that Miss Hughes, is it?

Yes.

Miss Hughes, we have armed police
waiting outside the premises

and have requested for yourself
and Mr Milat to leave the building.

Look, no,
there must be some mistake.

There is no mistake, ma'am.

Now, can you tell me
what's going on in there?

He... he's just trying to find
his... keys. He's always losing them.

Alright.

Tell 'em we're gonna go out now.

OK?

We're... we're coming.

We're coming out now.

Darlin'...

I just want you to know,
it's gonna be OK.

Go, go, go, go, go, go, go!

Police! Get on the ground!
Police! Get on the ground!

Police! Get down!
Get down!

Get down!
Alright!

G'day.

I'm Detective Birse.

This is Detective
Senior Constable Gordon.

Are you Ivan Milat?

Yes.

This is a warrant
to search your premises.

This is in relation to
the armed robbery

of English backpacker Paul Onions

on the 25th of January, 1990.

We'll also be asking questions
in relation to your knowledge

of the deaths of seven backpackers

whose bodies were found
in the Belanglo State Forest.

You don't have to answer,
but anything you do say

can and will be used
as evidence against you.

Do you understand?

Yeah.

Thank you, Mr Milat.

Alright, come on.

Detective?

Richard, what's in there?

Nuts and bolts and stuff.

Like camping gear.

That rifle belong to you?

Nuh.
Well, who's it belong to?

Someone give to me to look after.

Who?

Ivan.

Sorry?

Who was that?
Ivan.

That's all.

Who else lives in this house?

There's me sister, Shirl.

She owns the place.

Do you have any firearms
in this house?

No.

Well, we've been informed

that you own
both handguns and rifles.

Well, tell whoever told you that

to come down and give 'em to ya.

Detective Gordon?

Take a look at this.

You said you don't have any firearms
in the house? What are these for?

Ah! I forgot to tell ya.

I used to go out shootin'
with me brother out in Buxton.

Which brother?
Alex.

He's, um, moved to Queensland now.

So far, other than little bits
of currency, foreign currency,

we've got sweet F.A.

Detective Birse,
please come to the garage.

Yeah, bring him round.

Just there, thanks, Ivan.

Who owns this?

I don't know.

Have you ever seen
any of this before?

No.

It appears to be
a homemade silencer.

And this?
Never seen it before.

You store anything in your roof?

No.

G'day, girls.
Hi!

Jump in!
Thanks!

No, don't move... Hey, no!
Stay in the car!

It's gonna be great, Jo.

Anything?

Yeah.

Just here, thanks, Ivan.

Yep. Got it.

So, what's this?
Well, how would I know, mate?

It looks like something
out of a gun.

Have you ever seen this before?
No.

This was located in your ceiling.
Have you any idea how it got there?

No.
Who else has been in your ceiling?

Well, obviously, you blokes.

And just the builders.

What have we got?

A complete breech and trigger
assembly for a Ruger 10/22.

Look, there he is!

Move back.

Detective? Detective?

Ivan?

Ivan?

Detective? Detective?

Ivan?

Ivan?

Ivan, it's Shirley!

Can you tell me
what's going on here?

This is my brother. It's my brother.

Well, can you tell me
what's going on?

Detective, where are you taking him?

Ivan...! OK.

Aagh! Don't touch me!

Police in Australia
are questioning a 49-year-old man

in connection with the murder
of seven backpackers,

including two British girls.

After a six-month investigation,

the task force struck with raids
across Sydney's south-west

and the Southern Highlands.

As Ivan Milat
was being questioned,

scientific police carried out

a painstaking search
of his Eagle Vale home,

seizing a truckload of possessions.

Through the night,
a constant stream of police vehicles

arrived at Campbelltown
Police Station,

bringing hundreds of items
of evidence

from several properties
south-west of Sydney,

including rifles
and a number of backpacks.

Can you believe
how much evidence we found?

Are we going after
one or two Milats?

Over 100 potential exhibits.

It's amazing.
Clive?

Look, let's just
go through all the evidence

and then we'll see
where we stand, eh?

You'll be given a copy of
the videotape if you require it,

if your legal representative
would like to view a copy.

Do you understand that?

Right, so, I just have to say "Yes"
to everything that you blokes say.

Is that it?
Well...

If you understand,
the answer might be "Yes".

If you don't understand, you just let
me know and I'll explain it again.

Yeah, no worries, mate.

Do you agree we showed you
certain items

that were located at your premises,

including a tent
and parts of a rifle?

Well, yeah, you showed me things,

but I don't got no clue
where YOU got 'em from.

Well, our conversation was recorded
in Detective Gordon's notebook.

Hang on. We didn't have
a conversation. What conversation?

Would you like me to get
Detective Gordon to relay the notes

in regards to our conversation?

Well, I never saw him
writing any notes.

Did we talk together in the house?

Very rarely.

"The suspect was shown parts
that belonged to a gun.

"They were taken from the ceiling
and wall cavity.

"The suspect was shown those parts
by Detective Birse,

"who says to the suspect,
'What's this?'

"and the suspect then replied, 'It
looks like something out of a gun'."

Shall he keep reading?

Well, youse can do
whatever you want, can't you?

Is there anything further you can
tell is in regards to our inquiries

in the Belanglo Forest murders?

I told you already,

I don't know anything about it.

I don't have a clue.

I've been telling you
and telling you.

I said that
from the beginning, mate.

How do I know

where you got the stuff from?

That bloke that came in with
the plastic bag and the gun parts,

he was laughin' his head off, mate.

And I presumed because
it was his own stuff.

Because you guys planted it.

He's gonna fight this all the way.

He'll have to -

the amount of evidence
that's starting to turn up.

Um, we've been seeing each other

for around 18 months.

What about this?

When was this photo taken?

I'm not sure.

Some time in the last 18 months?

Can you tell me about
the top you're wearing?

The jumper?

Was it yours?

No. It was Ivan's.

Then it's Ivan's jumper?

It might have been
his sister Shirley's...

But Ivan made you wear it.

No.

I was cold

and Ivan lent it to me to put on.

Do you still have it?

The jumper?

Yeah.

Why do you keep asking me
questions about the jumper?

I'm just asking you questions.

He couldn't have done those things.

Not Ivan.

He just couldn't have.

What have they got on ya?

Those pricks haven't got shit on me.

When is that bloody lawyer
gonna get here?

I don't know.
He's supposed to be here.

Listen...

I need you to
look after Chalinder, OK?

I don't want her to worry.

You know?
Yeah, alright.

Understand?
Yeah.

They went through my underwear.

I told you
the cops are desperate.

Did they find anything
at your place?

No, they got worked up over a couple
of tent poles, Ma. That's it.

If they're gonna stitch me up
for that, good luck to 'em.

They've got nothin'.

It's a fuckin' disgrace!

Cops are trying to fit us all up.

They've been doin' it since we were
kids. Right? We're on speed dial.

Shh.

I got your tea.

I don't know if you wanted sugar in there.
It's OK.

The important thing
is we're all there for Ivan.

We've got to stay strong for Ivan.

What do you want to do, Clive?

Charge him with the Onions robbery.

That's enough to have him locked up.

Gives us a week to get together
a brief of evidence

to lay murder charges.

And pray we get a match
on the bullet casings.

The markings are an exact match.

No, we got enough
to convict Milat several times over.

A long way to go to trial.
A lot of work to do yet.

Oh, come on, Clive, you cracked it.

And under seven months.
Gotta be a record.

No, no, no, look,
it was a team effort.

Uh, I've got BBC London
on the phone.

Alright, I might take that.

Thanks, boss.

Well done, mate.

I'll catch you up.
Alright.

What did you guys find in his home?

Go away, Ms Kilmartin.

I saw you with your evidence bags.
What'd you get?

Completely off record.

Does that 'come fuck me' smile
still work with the younger cops?

My! I thought we'd all be
happy little Vegemites.

It's not every day
you catch a serial killer.

So, is there something
you want to tell me?

Clive?

"A lone investigation
by a young detective

"has led police to believe the
Belanglo Forest backpacker murders

"could be linked to a rape case
more than 20 years ago.

"Gordon pursued a theory
that Liverpool,

"the exit point from the city
for hitchhikers heading south,

"could be the key to
the Belanglo slayings mystery."

Clive wants to see you
in his office.

"Gordon was one of the actual guys
on ground level -

"the trench-fighters, who come up
with some clever lateral thinking.

"What Paul Gordon has come up with
is not the obvious."

I didn't say anything...

Are you denying that
you spoke to Ms Kilmartin.

She approached me... You were forbidden to
speak to the media.

All I said was I got lucky.

So, you're saying
you are not the source quoted.

"Police say further investigations
have revealed clues

"that while no-one was convicted,

"a man accused of rape in the 1970s

"could be connected with
the backpacker murders."

- It doesn't mention Ivan Milat.
- Ohh! For Christ's sake!

Paul, you don't need to be Einstein
to work out who you're talking about.

This is why I said,
time and time again,

you do not speak to the media!

Ivan's legal team will now use this
as a reason to argue

that he hasn't got a hope in hell
of getting a fair trial.

And this "lone investigator"
business!

I mean, that is just insulting,
Paul. It's insulting.

Do you know how many people
we have on this task force?

Do you think we've just been sitting
here, twiddling our thumbs.

You're off the task force,
effective immediately.

Pack your bags. Get out.

Now! Get... out.

Going to the press?

Jesus wept, Paul...

Look, we're on the downhill run.

All you had to do
was keep your head down.

This investigation
could have gone so much better.

We got Ivan.

And we wouldn't have got him
without Paul Onions.

And you found him.

Crown Prosecutor
Mark Tedeschi QC

has been preparing
for this day for months.

The trial of Ivan Robert Marko Milat

began with the selection
of the 12 jurors

who will decide his guilt
or innocence.

Milat is charged with the murders
of seven young backpackers

whose bodies were found
in the Belanglo State Forest.

Milat's barrister asked the jury

to pay close attention
to his address

because his client is facing the
worst possible charges imaginable

in Australia's history.

Foreman of the jury,

how did the jury find the defendant

on the charge of wilful murder
of Deborah Everist?

Guilty.

On the charge of wilful murder
of James Gibson?

Guilty.

On the charge of wilful murder
of Joanne Walters?

Guilty.

On the charge of wilful murder
of Caroline Clarke?

Guilty.

This is fucking bullshit!

On the charge of wilful murder
of Anja Habschied?

Guilty.

On the charge of wilful murder
of Gabor Neugebauer?

Guilty.

On the charge of wilful murder
of Simone Schmidl?

Guilty.

We knew right from the start
that in order to convict Ivan Milat,

this case was always going to be
about the minutia.

We didn't need hero cops -
just diligent ones.

Mr Small, how do you respond to

Justice Hunt's remarks
in his summation

that there was a high probability
of there being a second killer?

For legal reasons,
I can't comment on that.

Now, if you'll excuse us,
uh, my team and I

are going to go for
a well-earned drink.

It's a victory for the parents.

Congratulations.