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Good evening. You are about to see
a dramatization of actual facts...
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...in which some of the names
have been changed. But the story is true.
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lf it were not true,
it would not be believable...
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...for it is one of the most
bizarre chapters in the history of crime.
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We may not like to accept
that people such as those...
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...in the story of Helter Skelter
exist in our life, and yet they do.
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And while they do, we cannot say
that the story of Helter Skelter is ended.
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The foothills and canyons
above Beverly Hills...
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...in the early morning hours
of Saturday, August 9, 1969.
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''It was so quiet, ''
one of the killers would say...
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... ''you could hear ice
rattling in cocktail shakers...
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...in the homes way down the canyon. ''
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What was that? Sounded like a gun.
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Come on, let's go to bed.
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All right.
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Hey, hey, hey. Shut up, you two.
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You two are gonna end up
in the pound if you don't look out.
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Now what's the matter, boy, huh?
What's the matter?
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Cookie, Cookie.
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-What are you shaking for, huh?
-Please, don't. Don't. No, please.
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Please, no. No. No!
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And what direction
did the screams come from?
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l couldn't say exactly. ln these hills
the sounds get scrambled.
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Murder! Murder! Murder!
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Six-Adam-25 at location.
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All right, please, everybody move back.
Just move back, please.
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We don't know anything yet.
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How do you open this thing?
Miss, how do you open this thing?
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l'll need you to identify the bodies.
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l can't go back in there.
No, no, no way.
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No.
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Hey, look, there's even blood
on this button.
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ls that the killer?
Where did you find him?
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How many did he kill?
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-Well, what's his name?
-Garretson, William.
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Mr. Rosner? Sergeant Smith, Homicide.
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-You are Mr. Polanski's business manager?
-Yeah.
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lt's going to be difficult for you, sir,
we know, but we need your help.
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This way.
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The first one is in this car here, Mr. Rosner.
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-Can you identify him, sir?
-No.
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-No idea?
-l never saw him before.
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All right, can we look
at the others now, please?
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-Voytek.
-Who?
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A friend of Roman's from Poland.
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Voytek Frykowski.
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Okay, good.
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Do you know her?
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l think so.
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lt'd be a big help
if you could make it positive.
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Gibby.
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Abigail Folger.
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The coffee family.
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Yeah, she and Voytek
were staying with...
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...Sharon while Roman was--
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Sharon?
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l'll have that blood sample
in five seconds.
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Okay.
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l'll get that later.
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That's Jay...
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...Sebring.
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l think, l don't really know.
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l know he's beat all to hell,
but you're pretty sure?
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Yes.
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Would you come to this side
of the sofa, please, Mr. Rosner?
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Oh, my God. Sharon.
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Often called one of the world's
most beautiful women...
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...Miss Tate was eight months pregnant
at the time of her death.
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Her body, clad only
in flowered bikini panties and bra...
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...and bearing multiple stab wounds...
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...was found with a nylon rope
tied around her neck.
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The other end was around
the neck of Jay Sebring...
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...known men's hair stylist,
who according to police...
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...had been stabbed, beaten and shot.
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Police describe Garretson's answers
as stuporous and unresponsive.
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They said he would be held
for further questioning.
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In other developments,
law enforcement sources confirm today...
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...that drugs have been found
in the house on Elysium Drive...
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...as well as in Jay Sebring's Porsche.
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One day after the Tate murders,
Leno and Rosemary LaBianca...
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...return from a trip to the mountains.
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Veteran newsmen theorize...
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...that the fact that Garretson was held
for questioning had not been specifically--
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-How are you folks?
-Fine, Herb.
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-l'm not.
-She's upset because of these killings.
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-A terrible thing.
-Yeah.
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The world is full of crazies.
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-They got the guy, so what's the worry?
-lt sure sounds like the guy.
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-Have you folks been up at the lake?
-Yeah.
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-lt must be nice there.
-l don't know.
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l couldn't get a racing form up there.
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Listen, the last time we were up there
somebody went through our house.
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-l'll see you later.
-So long.
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-How old are you?
-Nineteen.
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Keep your look forward, please.
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Were you the caretaker?
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Yes, sir.
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ls your true last name Garretson?
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Yes.
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Did you know the boy
they found dead in the car?
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Steve Parent. But not so good.
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Concerning Steve Parent,
did you cause his death?
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No.
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You understood the question?
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Yes.
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Do you feel responsible for Steve's death?
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-Well, that he even knew me, yeah.
-Huh?
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Well, that he even knew me.
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l mean, he wouldn't have come
to visit me that night.
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Nothing would've happened,
in other words, to him.
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Did you cause Mrs. Polanski's death?
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No.
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Why are you so nervous?
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-Wouldn't you be?
-Not if l was telling the truth.
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But l am telling the truth.
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So relax.
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l can tell you what made me
so nervous if you want to know.
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What?
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When they brought me in here...
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...a policeman pointed to me
and said, ''That's the guy.
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That's the guy who killed all those people.''
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-So it's not because you're lying?
-l'm not lying.
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l'm just confused.
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Why are you confused?
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Well, for one thing...
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...how come l wasn't murdered?
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-Are you Franklyn?
-Yeah.
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Harry Jones, Sheriff's Homicide,
and my partner, Bob White.
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-We know each other. Hi, Ted.
-Sit down, fellas. You want some coffee?
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-Oh, we're on our way to eat.
-Well, it's about that time.
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-You're on Tate, right?
-Yeah.
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What do you got?
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Maybe nothing. We've been
on the Hinman case.
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Hinman, the music teacher?
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He was cut up pretty good
like the Tate people.
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The same kind of crazy viciousness,
you know.
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And we saw in the Teletype
that the Tate killers left a message, ''pig.''
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Yeah, in blood.
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The Hinman killers wrote ''political piggy''
on the wall.
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-ln blood.
-Well, didn't you pick up somebody on that?
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-Bobby Beausoleil.
-So he was in custody during Tate?
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The thing is we don't think
he was alone on Hinman.
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He's been living with a bunch
of hippies at the old--
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A bunch of weirdos out there.
They think their leader is Jesus Christ.
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Jesus Christ, huh?
Peace and love and flowers.
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These are bigtime dope murders, Harry.
Now we're sure of that.
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Well...
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...we thought it was worth
mentioning anyhow.
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Similar mode of death,
message left in both places...
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...both printed, both in blood,
the word ''pig'' in both messages.
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Well, l see what you mean, but the dope
angle is the only one that fits here.
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-You want to come and eat with us?
-No, thanks, l'm brown-bagging.
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l gotta hang around.
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So long, sir. Good luck.
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Sunday, two days after the Tate murders.
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l really am sorry, sis,
to get you up so late.
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That's okay, Frank.
l don't blame you.
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When l saw all the shades down
and the boat in the driveway...
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...and the light on in the kitchen
and Mom didn't answer...
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...when l kept knocking,
well, l got a little scared to go in.
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You did the right thing.
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Susan, why don't you wait here,
and Frank and l'll take a look.
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Garretson is released for lack of evidence
three days after the Tate murders...
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...two after LaBianca.
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l don't see any connection
between the Tate and LaBianca killings.
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There are similarities,
but we think the dissimilarities...
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...are so strong as to preclude
any connection. For instance--
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-And the writings on the wall?
-l don't know who told you...
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...there was writing at the
LaBianca residence. l didn't say there was.
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We believe the LaBiancas
were killed by a copycat.
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There are a lot of psychos.
This sort of thing turns them on.
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Are you saying the killings
were done by psychos?
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I'm saying we have no motive...
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...and there was no connection
between the victims that we know of.
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-That you know of?
-That we know of.
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Drugs were found at the Tate murders,
while none were found at the LaBiancas.
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We believe the Tate killings
were a drug burn.
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Now, here's that Beatles album
l told you about.
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l don't say it's anything solid,
but l got me a hunch.
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-Mark, you guys working on the Tate case?
-LaBianca, Ted's on Tate.
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Now here, you see?
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-l've got something for you guys.
-A good cigar?
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Those pieces of gun grip
you found at the Tate scene...
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...they come from a Hi Standard
.22 caliber Longhorn revolver.
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Now, that's known as a Buntline Special.
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lt's patterned after guns
that Ned Buntline made for Wyatt Earp.
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-Look, the firearms experts broke the case.
-As usual.
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They're not too many made
with that kind of grip.
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We're sending a flyer out to every P.D.
in the U.S. and Canada.
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-ln no time at all, you'll have your gun.
-Sure. One chance in a 1000.
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All you do is match up the bullets
found in Sebring and Frykowski...
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...your case is solved, just like on TV.
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That's not the way you break cases, Hank.
You do it by filling out forms in triplicate.
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Now, here's a song called ''Piggies.''
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-They printed ''death to pigs'' on the wall.
-Right.
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And here's a song called ''Helter Skelter.''
''Helter Skelter was on the refrigerator door.''
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-Look, l know it's a wild guess--
-That's not so wild.
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lt's not as wild as stabbing
some woman 41 times...
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...and then go on stabbing her
even after she's dead.
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lt may as well be thrown in.
We don't have much.
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-You said it.
-Well, it beats a blank.
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Yeah, hopefully.
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One week after the killings...
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...in answer to complaints
of an auto-theft ring...
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...but unrelated to the Tate-LaBianca
investigations...
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...deputies from the L.A. Sheriff's
Department conduct a raid...
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...at the isolated Spahn Movie Ranch
in the Simi hills northwest of Los Angeles.
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Because some of the members
of the hippie cult at the ranch...
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...sleep in groups
away from the main buildings...
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...many of the officers move
into the ranch from the back way.
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All right, put your hands on your head.
Keep them where l can see them.
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Get up! Come here! Get up!
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Danny DeCarlo, a member
of the Straight Satan motorcycle club.
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Danny stays at the ranch
because of the wide variety of girls.
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Hold it!
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Susan Denise Atkins,
21 years old...
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...also known as Sadie Mae Glutz,
and infant son, Zezozose Zadfrack Glutz.
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This one's got a baby.
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Come on. All right, come on.
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Let go of my arm. Christ.
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-Okay, Charlie, come on out of there.
-Come on, let's get your hands up.
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-Move!
-All right! Damn it, l'm coming!
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-All right!
-Get out.
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All right! All right!
l'm coming! l'm coming! l'm here, man!
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All right.
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-Quit struggling! You're not gonna get hurt.
-Just be quiet, Charlie, everything's okay.
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-All right, on your feet.
-Let's go. Up. Up.
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-What's the matter?
-You're under arrest.
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-What for?
-Grand theft auto, okay? Let's go.
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Why don't you tell them to relax.
l'll tell some of the girls to be nice to you.
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00:22:56,641 --> 00:23:01,408
Sayce, 22 years old, also known
as Moses, also known as Boots.
232
00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,413
Steve Grogan, 17,
also known as Clem...
233
00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:08,019
...an escapee from a state mental hospital.
234
00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:11,912
Patricia Krenwinkel, 22 years old...
235
00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,786
...also known as Katie,
also known as Marnie Reeves...
236
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,293
...also known as Big Patty,
also known as Mary Ann Scott.
237
00:23:28,006 --> 00:23:31,635
There he is. All right, Charlie...
238
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:37,271
...tell them l'm a ranch hand.
l'm not part of your crummy Family.
239
00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:43,182
Look, wake up old man Spahn. Ask him.
240
00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:47,758
l don't belong to this gang.
l'm a ranch hand.
241
00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:51,794
Damn it, why do you do this to me
every time you put a bust on these bums?
242
00:23:51,963 --> 00:23:56,263
l work here. You take me in, Flynn,
who's gonna do the work?
243
00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:59,427
-Will you tell us what you know?
-You're damn right.
244
00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,698
Snitch! Snitch! Snitch!
245
00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:16,019
lt's not nice to snitch, Shorty.
246
00:24:16,688 --> 00:24:18,781
Horse manure.
247
00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:23,792
Charles Milles Manson, also known
as Jesus Christ, God, Soul, the Devil.
248
00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:28,763
Charles Willis Manson, born
No Name Maddox, November 12th, 1934.
249
00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:31,903
Mother, Kathleen Maddox.
Lived with a succession of men.
250
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:37,064
Married briefly to William Manson,
who gave young Charles his last name.
251
00:24:40,111 --> 00:24:42,443
Let's start getting
these people out of here.
252
00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:45,674
All right, all children with their mothers.
253
00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:53,090
All females, let's go. On your feet.
254
00:24:53,258 --> 00:24:55,226
Single-file line to the bus.
255
00:24:58,196 --> 00:25:01,791
-On your feet, girl.
-What do you think we're on?
256
00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:05,994
-Okay.
-All right, on your feet. Get on your feet.
257
00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:12,607
Kathleen Maddox served time
in state penitentiary for armed robbery.
258
00:25:12,777 --> 00:25:15,268
Charles lived with relatives,
then his mother...
259
00:25:15,447 --> 00:25:17,881
...and a series of her lovers
in rundown hotels.
260
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:21,212
Unwanted, he ran away at 12,
burglarized several stores...
261
00:25:21,386 --> 00:25:23,820
...was caught and sent to Boys Town.
262
00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:28,517
Fled four days later in a stolen car.
Committed first armed robbery, age 13.
263
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,594
Has spent 17 years,
one half of his life...
264
00:25:31,763 --> 00:25:36,325
...in boys homes, jails
and federal penitentiaries.
265
00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:02,385
Took guitar lessons in prison
from Alvin Karpis...
266
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,052
...lone survivor of the old
Ma Barker gang.
267
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:09,758
Twice married and divorced.
Fathered two children, probably more.
268
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:43,728
Criminal record includes burglary,
armed robbery, attempted escape...
269
00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:48,032
...parole violation, homosexual rape,
assault, procuring...
270
00:26:48,206 --> 00:26:51,664
...mail theft, grand theft auto, forgery.
271
00:26:51,843 --> 00:26:56,109
Psychiatric evaluation: emotional
instability, rejection reaction...
272
00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,808
...psychic trauma, bisexual,
dangerous, assaultive.
273
00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:35,615
Three weeks after the murders...
274
00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:40,156
...9-year-old Steven Quint is working
with his father in their back yard.
275
00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:57,708
Hey, Dad. Hey, Dad, look what l found.
276
00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:09,379
l'm holding it this way so l don't mess up
the fingerprints. l saw it on Dragnet.
277
00:28:12,724 --> 00:28:16,057
My son's convinced this gun
was involved in every major crime...
278
00:28:16,227 --> 00:28:19,526
...from the Black Dahlia
to those Tate murders three weeks ago.
279
00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:22,030
We appreciate your calling, Mr. Quint.
280
00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,559
lt looks like it's been used
to hammer something.
281
00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:27,963
Thank you.
282
00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:41,043
Steven Quint's discovery is tagged
and filed in the property room...
283
00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:45,451
...of the Van Nuys Division
of the Los Angeles Police Department.
284
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,587
Come out! Come on out! Let's go!
285
00:28:52,764 --> 00:28:56,461
Come on out! Come on!
286
00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,098
-What happened?
-We had to release them.
287
00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:03,138
-DA's reject. lnsufficient evidence.
-My aching back.
288
00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:08,041
Come on, let's go! Come on, go! Go!
289
00:29:14,719 --> 00:29:18,712
-Sheriff's Homicide. Jones.
-Harry, Phil Cohen here.
290
00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:22,916
-Hey, Phillip, what's up?
-Well, just a thought.
291
00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:27,690
-You were working on that Hinman case?
-Yeah, we're still on it.
292
00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:32,462
Well, Mark and l are on this LaBianca thing,
and we were just wondering...
293
00:29:32,637 --> 00:29:36,596
...what exactly did you find
printed on the walls at the Hinman place?
294
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,072
''Political piggy.''
295
00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:42,345
-Political piggy?
-Right, Hinman's blood.
296
00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,483
-Political piggy.
-That's one hell of a coincidence, huh?
297
00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:47,515
-You said it.
-By the way, Phil....
298
00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:50,085
-Yeah.
-We picked up that whole gang...
299
00:29:50,255 --> 00:29:52,120
...out there at Spahn Ranch.
300
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:56,852
You know, that's where Bobby Beausoleil
was living when he killed Garry Hinman.
301
00:29:57,028 --> 00:29:58,893
There's a ranch hand out there...
302
00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:01,623
...you might want to talk to.
Name is Shorty Shea.
303
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,792
He's had a couple run-ins
with the leader of this gang...
304
00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:07,529
...and he may have heard something.
305
00:30:07,705 --> 00:30:10,799
Right, Shorty Shea.
l got it, Harry. Thank you.
306
00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:13,205
-You bet.
-Okay, bye-bye.
307
00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:03,124
Come on in.
308
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,523
Hi.
309
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:11,594
Hi. You're new around here, aren't you?
310
00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:15,102
Charlie left me here to take
good care of George.
311
00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:20,500
They took off, huh?
l thought the place looked deserted.
312
00:31:20,678 --> 00:31:23,647
-Manuel Gris, Mr. Spahn.
-Phil Cohen, Mr. Spahn.
313
00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:25,908
l recognize your voice, Mr. Cohen.
314
00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:30,887
Charlie and his girls took off
the day after you were down here last time.
315
00:31:31,856 --> 00:31:33,289
Over a month ago.
316
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:37,693
Yeah. You gentlemen want some lunch?
317
00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:42,055
-No, thank you. Some other time.
-No, thank you.
318
00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:44,799
But we were wondering, Mr. Spahn...
319
00:31:44,969 --> 00:31:47,665
...if Mr. Shea had come back
from San Francisco yet.
320
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,171
-Shorty?
-Couple of Charlie's girls...
321
00:31:50,341 --> 00:31:53,037
...told us he went to San Francisco
for a few weeks.
322
00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,441
That's what Charlie told me too.
323
00:31:56,047 --> 00:32:01,815
But it wasn't like old Shorty to haul freight
like that without saying boo to me about it.
324
00:32:01,986 --> 00:32:07,014
But he just turned up missing one day,
and l ain't seen hide nor hair of him since.
325
00:32:08,326 --> 00:32:12,820
--learned exclusively that pieces of a gun
grip were found at the Tate murder scene.
326
00:32:12,997 --> 00:32:16,660
And that the gun police are seeking
is a .22 caliber pistol.
327
00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:20,235
That's the news. And now,
this comment and a question:
328
00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:24,865
Two months have passed since Sharon Tate
and four others were slaughtered.
329
00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:27,477
And yet not one suspect is in custody.
330
00:32:27,645 --> 00:32:31,706
Not one piece of concrete evidence is
presented to a frightened community...
331
00:32:31,883 --> 00:32:34,477
...that progress is being made.
332
00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:42,082
-Sounds like the gun Stevie found.
-Had a broken grip, didn't it?
333
00:32:43,928 --> 00:32:48,422
lt must not be the one.
When was it we gave it to the police?
334
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,658
Was over a month ago.
335
00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:53,963
Surely they'd have come back
to ask more questions by now.
336
00:32:54,138 --> 00:32:55,935
And search the hillside.
337
00:33:04,782 --> 00:33:06,010
Help!
338
00:33:06,184 --> 00:33:10,587
Death Valley, California, two months
after the Tate and LaBianca murders.
339
00:33:10,755 --> 00:33:13,019
Stephanie Mark, 17 years old.
340
00:33:13,191 --> 00:33:18,322
And Kitty Lassiter, 17 years old
and five months pregnant.
341
00:33:25,536 --> 00:33:28,801
-Please, will you take us somewhere?
-Oh, please!
342
00:33:28,973 --> 00:33:30,838
-Where you going?
-Anywhere at all.
343
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,534
-Somebody is trying to kill us.
-All right, who?
344
00:33:33,711 --> 00:33:35,838
-Charlie Manson.
-Please! Come on!
345
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,379
-Come on.
-Get in the back.
346
00:33:37,548 --> 00:33:41,484
They tell the officers the Manson Family
left Spahn Ranch a month before...
347
00:33:41,652 --> 00:33:44,314
...and has stayed at Barker Ranch
in Death Valley.
348
00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:47,720
Kitty is pregnant by Family member
Bobby Beausoleil...
349
00:33:47,892 --> 00:33:51,384
...now in custody in Los Angeles
for the murder of Gary Hinman.
350
00:33:51,562 --> 00:33:55,464
Stephanie is a recent favorite of
Charlie Manson, now fallen from grace.
351
00:33:55,633 --> 00:33:58,761
Both girls believe Manson will
kill them for what they know.
352
00:33:58,936 --> 00:34:02,838
They don't know that Manson and the
Family were arrested two days earlier...
353
00:34:03,007 --> 00:34:06,773
...for the destruction
of an earthmoving machine.
354
00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:11,711
We got him over in the jail at lndependence.
We picked him up, and the gang, yesterday.
355
00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:14,215
-What for?
-Arson.
356
00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:17,877
Burning up one of those
earthmoving machines.
357
00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:20,887
-You have anything to do with it?
-No.
358
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,751
Sir.
359
00:34:25,229 --> 00:34:30,963
-Are you taking us to lndependence too?
-l'm afraid we'll have to.
360
00:34:31,536 --> 00:34:33,766
You're not gonna put us
with them, are you?
361
00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:36,065
No, you'll be by yourself.
362
00:34:36,474 --> 00:34:41,309
Now, what are some of those things that
you know that Charlie wishes you didn't?
363
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,741
Bobby Beausoleil didn't do it by himself.
l know that.
364
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,888
What's that, kill Gary Hinman?
365
00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:55,692
Sadie was there too. She helped.
366
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:58,124
-Sadie?
-Sadie Mae Glutz.
367
00:34:58,429 --> 00:35:01,023
Sadie Mae Glutz. ls that her real name?
368
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,330
No, l think her real name is Susan Atkins.
369
00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:11,102
Susan Atkins is Sadie Mae Glutz?
370
00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:14,338
lsn't that the girl we arrested yesterday?
371
00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:17,274
You better call
the L.A. County Sheriff's Office.
372
00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:21,350
Have them send somebody down
to talk to that little lady.
373
00:35:24,255 --> 00:35:28,817
Even after Bobby slashed his face,
he just wouldn't give us the money.
374
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:32,528
ls that why you ended up
having to kill him? The money?
375
00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:36,861
Sure. $5000. We knew he had it.
376
00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:39,332
He just wouldn't give it to us.
377
00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:45,534
So me and Bobby took turns sleeping
and guarding him, so he wouldn't get away.
378
00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:48,471
And one night, while l was in the kitchen...
379
00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:53,049
...l heard Gary yell, ''Don't, Bobby.''
380
00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:56,584
And he staggered into the kitchen.
He had blood on his chest.
381
00:35:56,754 --> 00:36:00,850
Sort of pouring out through his fingers,
you know?
382
00:36:01,025 --> 00:36:04,722
-What happened then?
-Well....
383
00:36:05,229 --> 00:36:08,995
We thought that was it for him.
He fell down, he was just laying there.
384
00:36:10,968 --> 00:36:14,404
So we wiped the house for prints, okay?
385
00:36:15,606 --> 00:36:19,474
And we were about to jam out of there,
and we heard Gary again.
386
00:36:19,644 --> 00:36:22,636
Just moaning and groaning.
387
00:36:23,714 --> 00:36:28,811
He's a funny guy. He just wouldn't die.
Just wouldn't.
388
00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:33,082
So Bobby went back in,
and l heard Gary again.
389
00:36:33,591 --> 00:36:37,118
''Oh, no, Bobby. Please, don't.''
390
00:36:37,895 --> 00:36:42,332
And then l heard a sound like gurgling,
as when people are dying.
391
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,365
Susan.
392
00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:48,472
Would you repeat this on tape for us?
393
00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:52,705
No way.
394
00:36:54,612 --> 00:36:58,946
-Why did you tell us in the first place?
-For fun.
395
00:37:00,484 --> 00:37:04,284
You can't use it. l'll just say l made it up.
396
00:37:06,824 --> 00:37:12,285
Okay, Sadie Mae. We'll be bringing
you back to L.A. this afternoon.
397
00:37:12,463 --> 00:37:15,694
You have any objection
to flying in a small plane?
398
00:37:16,267 --> 00:37:17,928
l love to fly.
399
00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:40,849
Two months and one week
after the Tate-LaBianca killings...
400
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:43,687
...Atkins is arrested
for the Gary Hinman murder...
401
00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:48,594
...and brought to Sybil Brand Institute
for Women in East Los Angeles.
402
00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:05,379
Take 31 , that's your bunk.
403
00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:16,927
-Cute.
-Yeah, probably straight too.
404
00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:35,543
-What's your name, honey?
-Sadie.
405
00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:39,477
Sexy Sadie.
406
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,253
Charlie.
407
00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:55,788
Charlie's the strongest man alive.
408
00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:01,163
They keep putting him in prison.
They can't break him. He has powers.
409
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:05,139
-Powers?
-Believe me.
410
00:39:05,409 --> 00:39:09,311
l mean, he's not very big, physically...
411
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,381
...but everybody does what he says.
412
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:15,144
Even when he doesn't say it.
413
00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:19,055
-You know what l mean.
-No, not really.
414
00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:23,253
He's....
415
00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,626
He's our father. He's our leader.
416
00:39:28,799 --> 00:39:31,597
-He's our love.
-Really good, huh?
417
00:39:31,769 --> 00:39:36,069
Our teacher. He's everything.
418
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,265
ln fact....
419
00:39:46,784 --> 00:39:51,118
You're a nice person, Ronnie.
l can trust you.
420
00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:54,689
-Thanks.
-No, l feel that.
421
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,692
-Ronnie.
-Yes?
422
00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:04,900
Charlie's Jesus Christ.
423
00:40:07,505 --> 00:40:09,029
He is?
424
00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,206
Oh.
425
00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:21,074
What are you in here for?
426
00:40:23,387 --> 00:40:27,016
First degree murder. Gary Hinman.
427
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,625
-Did you do it?
-Sure.
428
00:40:33,631 --> 00:40:36,099
They got it wrong.
429
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:40,894
They claim l held him
while Bobby stabbed him.
430
00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:47,067
The way it came down was Bobby held
him while l stabbed him four or five times.
431
00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:51,746
-Cops are really dumb.
-What do you mean?
432
00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:54,575
There's a case right now.
433
00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:59,248
They're so far off the track,
they don't even know what's happening.
434
00:40:59,423 --> 00:41:04,486
-What are you talking about?
-That one in Benedict Canyon.
435
00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:06,560
Bene--?
436
00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:11,429
-Oh, you don't mean Sharon Tate?
-Sure.
437
00:41:12,837 --> 00:41:15,431
You know who did it, don't you?
438
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:20,107
-No.
-Well...
439
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,047
...you're looking at her.
440
00:41:26,884 --> 00:41:28,613
You gotta be kidding.
441
00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:46,994
Boy, l'm tired.
442
00:41:49,473 --> 00:41:51,737
Why don't we go to bed?
443
00:41:54,879 --> 00:41:56,244
Why don't l stay here?
444
00:42:00,451 --> 00:42:03,682
l'm really tired.
445
00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:08,286
Well....
446
00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:11,126
Okay.
447
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:17,025
-Good night, love.
-Good night.
448
00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:36,083
-Danny DeCarlo?
-Hello.
449
00:42:44,528 --> 00:42:49,431
-You know Kitty Lassiter?
-No, man. l never heard of her.
450
00:42:50,935 --> 00:42:55,167
She says you used to hang around Spahn's
Ranch with Charlie Manson's Family.
451
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:57,534
Man, l never heard of him either.
452
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:03,804
Couple of charges pending against you,
l believe, Danny.
453
00:43:03,981 --> 00:43:05,642
Grand theft and a federal rap.
454
00:43:06,216 --> 00:43:09,811
Giving false information
while purchasing a firearm.
455
00:43:11,055 --> 00:43:15,048
Maybe they made a mistake cutting
you out on your own recognizance.
456
00:43:16,126 --> 00:43:19,357
Well, l guess you boys
wanna ask me a few questions, huh?
457
00:43:25,703 --> 00:43:31,232
The morning of November 18, 1969, I was
on my way to work in the Hall of Justice.
458
00:43:31,408 --> 00:43:35,435
It was just three months after
the Tate-LaBianca murders.
459
00:43:36,747 --> 00:43:38,510
Vince!
460
00:43:38,882 --> 00:43:41,146
Come here. l was looking for you.
461
00:43:41,318 --> 00:43:44,412
-What's this all about?
-Never mind. You'll see.
462
00:43:47,691 --> 00:43:51,252
We've got statements from the bikers,
Al Springer and Danny DeCarlo.
463
00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:55,091
-Well, they finally found you, huh, Vince?
-Congratulations, Vince.
464
00:43:55,265 --> 00:43:56,596
On what?
465
00:43:56,767 --> 00:44:01,170
l want you to okay this press release
before we let it go out, all right?
466
00:44:01,438 --> 00:44:04,703
''Dateline, Los Angeles,
November 18, 1969.
467
00:44:05,209 --> 00:44:07,700
DA Evelle Younger's office
announced today...
468
00:44:07,878 --> 00:44:10,745
...that Deputy DA Vincent T. Bugliosi...
469
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,314
...has been named co-prosecutor
in the Sharon Tate murder case.''
470
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,077
Are we gonna handle it?
471
00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:21,885
''Mr. Bugliosi, chosen from a staff
of 450 lawyers to prosecute this case...
472
00:44:22,226 --> 00:44:26,890
...has previously tried 104 felony jury trials,
losing only one.''
473
00:44:27,064 --> 00:44:29,191
You make me sound like a sure winner.
474
00:44:29,366 --> 00:44:31,266
-What do we got to go on?
-Not much.
475
00:44:31,435 --> 00:44:34,996
Few statements, that's it.
None of which can be used in evidence.
476
00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:37,296
Why not?
477
00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:39,738
-Aranda?
-That's right.
478
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:43,311
California Supreme Court,
The People v. Aranda, 1965.
479
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,075
These are all statements from defendants
implicating codefendants.
480
00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:51,713
So Manson ordered Hinman killed.
481
00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:55,719
Yep, that's the way Bobby told it.
482
00:44:55,893 --> 00:45:01,889
-He said Charlie sent him, Mary, Sadie--
-Wait a minute. Who's Mary?
483
00:45:02,066 --> 00:45:04,432
Mary Brunner, man.
484
00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,402
ls this her?
485
00:45:10,641 --> 00:45:12,768
Yeah, that's her.
486
00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:17,679
Her and Bobby and Sadie.
487
00:45:18,382 --> 00:45:22,216
They went to Gary's place.
488
00:45:22,786 --> 00:45:24,617
By the way, my man...
489
00:45:24,788 --> 00:45:27,723
...is Charlie gonna know
l talked to you guys?
490
00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:32,760
-Charlie's up in jail in lndependence.
-Charlie's got a long reach, man.
491
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:36,696
None of the girls know you're here.
We'll make sure they don't.
492
00:45:36,867 --> 00:45:38,391
Just between me and you...
493
00:45:39,303 --> 00:45:41,828
...the little dude scares the hell out of me.
494
00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:43,770
He's a freak, man.
495
00:45:44,141 --> 00:45:48,601
l mean, he did Shorty just like that,
just because he thought he was snitching.
496
00:45:49,146 --> 00:45:51,307
-Who told you that?
-lt's in the tapes.
497
00:45:51,482 --> 00:45:53,848
-l told the other detectives.
-Tell me again.
498
00:45:54,017 --> 00:45:56,884
-So your story doesn't change.
-l'm telling the truth.
499
00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:58,578
Now, what would be the point?
500
00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:04,193
Okay, Danny. All right.
Who told you about killing Shorty?
501
00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,631
Cisco Budge.
502
00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:18,497
-Said they cut him up in nine pieces, man.
-ls this him?
503
00:46:18,675 --> 00:46:21,371
Chopped his head off too.
504
00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:25,440
That's Boots.
505
00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,311
-Boots?
-Yeah, man. Boots.
506
00:46:27,484 --> 00:46:31,545
He was one of the young kids.
He hung out to the ranch.
507
00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:34,623
He didn't seem to fit in with the Family.
508
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,761
Boots is no longer with us, Danny.
509
00:46:38,896 --> 00:46:41,490
What do you mean,
''Boots is no longer with us''?
510
00:46:41,665 --> 00:46:44,031
He's among the dead.
511
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:48,868
Well, terrific.
512
00:46:51,375 --> 00:46:53,502
Since when?
513
00:46:53,677 --> 00:46:58,808
Couple weeks ago. Accidentally
shot himself playing Russian roulette.
514
00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:03,013
-Who was with him?
-Cisco Budge.
515
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,054
Cisco Budge?
516
00:47:07,591 --> 00:47:09,286
All right.
517
00:47:10,527 --> 00:47:14,019
Okay. Boots must have got out of line.
518
00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,233
-That wasn't no accident.
-Some other members of the Family--
519
00:47:18,402 --> 00:47:21,860
l know, l know. And they all tell
the same story, right?
520
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:27,033
That's it, partner. l ain't talking no more.
l'm riding out of here on the wind.
521
00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:31,739
There's still charges against you, Danny.
l don't think you'll feel very safe in jail.
522
00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:36,375
-That's where Charlie is.
-That sure is cold, man.
523
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:44,854
Danny, go to Spahn Ranch
with me tomorrow.
524
00:47:45,028 --> 00:47:50,159
Oh, no way, baby. No. Not the kid.
525
00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:52,768
l heard some of the Family is still up there.
526
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:57,739
We need a guide.
lf you don't wanna go, it's your decision.
527
00:48:05,148 --> 00:48:07,116
Well, what about the charges, man?
528
00:48:15,425 --> 00:48:17,120
All right.
529
00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:22,163
All right, l'll do it. Yeah, l'll do it.
530
00:48:24,201 --> 00:48:26,294
lf you handcuff me.
531
00:48:46,857 --> 00:48:48,916
Flapping to the fuzz, huh, Danny?
532
00:49:08,478 --> 00:49:12,209
-My God. Does she live here?
-Yeah, she lives here.
533
00:49:12,382 --> 00:49:16,648
-She's happy.
-ls it all right to be happy?
534
00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:22,023
And they had this
9 mm Polish random automatic.
535
00:49:22,192 --> 00:49:25,161
Danny, did you ever see a .22 caliber
Buntline revolver?
536
00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,820
-That's the one Charlie carried.
-Here's another .22.
537
00:49:27,998 --> 00:49:32,594
-Wait a minute, are you sure of that?
-About the Buntline? Hell, yes, l'm sure.
538
00:49:32,769 --> 00:49:38,264
-Cleaned the guns. l am a weapons man.
-So Charlie had a .22 caliber Buntline.
539
00:49:38,442 --> 00:49:41,377
That's the one he did
the Black Panther with.
540
00:49:41,545 --> 00:49:44,070
-You hear about that one?
-No.
541
00:49:44,247 --> 00:49:47,239
That's the kill that went down
about a year ago.
542
00:49:47,417 --> 00:49:51,979
Charlie had some trouble with this nigger
over a dope deal. So he snuffed him.
543
00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:55,613
When was the last time
you saw that .22 Buntline?
544
00:49:56,994 --> 00:49:59,462
A week before
the sheriff's office raided us.
545
00:49:59,629 --> 00:50:02,325
-So that would be August 16th, right?
-Hey.
546
00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:06,299
Charlie didn't allow no calendars
or clocks at the ranch.
547
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:12,207
About a week after the Tate killings,
l asked him what happened to his gun.
548
00:50:12,376 --> 00:50:16,244
He always carried it in a holster.
l noticed right away it wasn't there.
549
00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:19,439
He said, ''Hey, man, l just gave it away.''
550
00:50:20,650 --> 00:50:24,780
Danny, do you think Charlie
had anything to do with Tate?
551
00:50:26,323 --> 00:50:30,259
Man, l don't feel like talking about that.
552
00:50:35,098 --> 00:50:39,797
You know, Shorty's buried around here
somewhere, in nine different graves.
553
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:42,029
He was a real right dude too.
554
00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:47,142
Danny, if we ever find this .22 caliber
Buntline revolver, could you lD it?
555
00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:49,073
Hell, yes, l could.
556
00:50:49,246 --> 00:50:52,579
-Who was the last to die?
-Sharon was the last to die.
557
00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:55,217
l was holding her arms behind her...
558
00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:59,685
...and she's looking at me,
begging and crying.
559
00:50:59,856 --> 00:51:04,486
''Please, don't kill me. Please, don't kill me.
560
00:51:04,661 --> 00:51:10,725
l don't wanna die. l wanna live. l wanna
have my baby. l wanna have my baby.''
561
00:51:12,536 --> 00:51:15,972
And l looked her straight in the eye,
and l said:
562
00:51:16,139 --> 00:51:21,167
''Look, bitch, l don't care about you.
l don't care about your baby.
563
00:51:21,344 --> 00:51:25,713
You better be ready. You're gonna die,
and l don't feel a thing about it.''
564
00:51:25,882 --> 00:51:30,285
-And l proceeded to stab, okay?
-Okay.
565
00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:31,921
-And you know what?
-What?
566
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:36,753
l just kept stabbing her and stabbing her
until she stopped screaming.
567
00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:40,491
But she was pregnant.
Didn't it bother you to kill her?
568
00:51:43,834 --> 00:51:46,530
l thought you understood.
569
00:51:47,137 --> 00:51:48,934
l loved her.
570
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:53,736
And in order for me to kill her, l was
killing part of myself when l killed her.
571
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:57,004
ln fact, Charlie gave us instructions
to mutilate them.
572
00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,580
We were gonna cut out the baby
if we had time.
573
00:51:59,749 --> 00:52:01,774
l gotta go to the can.
574
00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:05,319
You know the other two? The next night?
575
00:52:06,189 --> 00:52:08,783
LaBiancas.
576
00:52:11,394 --> 00:52:12,759
Well, what do you think?
577
00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:18,799
And there's more. Before...
578
00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:21,904
...one guy, we cut his head off.
579
00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:26,202
Three more out in the desert,
and more besides.
580
00:52:27,744 --> 00:52:31,874
At least 11 . Eleven they'll never solve.
581
00:52:32,582 --> 00:52:35,710
And there's gonna be plenty more to come.
582
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:39,785
We're gonna pick out some
of the biggest pigs and execute them...
583
00:52:39,956 --> 00:52:41,947
...and release them from this Earth.
584
00:52:46,229 --> 00:52:50,791
You have to have a real love in your heart
for people to do this for them.
585
00:52:50,967 --> 00:52:53,697
-You know?
-l gotta go to the can.
586
00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,339
l'll let you get some sleep.
587
00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:11,374
Sergeant, my life could be in danger
if anybody catches me talking to you.
588
00:54:11,548 --> 00:54:15,814
l know who killed Sharon Tate,
and l wanna talk to the lieutenant, please.
589
00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:19,012
You know who killed Tate,
and you want the lieutenant?
590
00:54:19,189 --> 00:54:22,317
-l'll tell him.
-Real soon, please.
591
00:54:22,492 --> 00:54:24,289
-l said, l'd tell him.
-Okay.
592
00:54:24,461 --> 00:54:27,794
Now get back in line and go to lunch
with the other girls.
593
00:54:41,244 --> 00:54:43,269
-Did you ask him?
-Ask who?
594
00:54:43,446 --> 00:54:48,850
Oh. Yeah. He wants more details to see
if you knew what you were talking about.
595
00:54:49,019 --> 00:54:52,648
Okay. Could we go someplace else private?
596
00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:01,028
l happen to know that the killers
did not cut out the baby.
597
00:55:01,197 --> 00:55:07,432
So you tell her that her informant is either
lying or unreliable. Quit wasting our time.
598
00:55:11,007 --> 00:55:14,875
Sergeant Broom, that's not what l said.
l didn't say she cut out the baby.
599
00:55:15,045 --> 00:55:19,675
She wanted to cut out the baby. They
wanted to do all these other kinds of things.
600
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:23,808
And they didn't have the time.
That's what l told you.
601
00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:26,512
l think we've bothered
the lieutenant enough.
602
00:55:27,123 --> 00:55:29,284
-No.
-The matter is closed.
603
00:55:32,962 --> 00:55:34,224
Oh, my God.
604
00:55:41,571 --> 00:55:44,563
Here, take these.
You go to court today, don't you?
605
00:55:44,808 --> 00:55:48,175
-Well, it's nothing to get thrown about.
-Oh, it's not that.
606
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,007
l'm just nervous.
607
00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:19,566
l'll give you each 50 cents
if you let me get in front of you in this line.
608
00:56:19,743 --> 00:56:23,543
-Cash?
-Yeah. Here, look.
609
00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:26,178
Come on.
610
00:56:26,983 --> 00:56:29,884
-Deal.
-Oh, thanks a lot.
611
00:56:38,428 --> 00:56:41,727
Bus for the court leaves in four minutes.
612
00:56:44,501 --> 00:56:47,299
Yeah, well, what do you want me to do?
613
00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:50,834
l know, l know.
614
00:56:55,578 --> 00:56:57,739
The lawyer said--
615
00:56:59,883 --> 00:57:05,412
Hello, is this Homicide?
Oh, my name is Ronnie Howard.
616
00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,852
And l-- What?
617
00:57:08,024 --> 00:57:09,514
Howard. Yes, sir.
618
00:57:09,692 --> 00:57:14,857
l wanna report that l know the people
that committed some of the murders...
619
00:57:15,031 --> 00:57:20,663
...that you are presently working on
the cases right now. Yes, sir. And--
620
00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:25,340
Ronnie Howard, sir. Yes.
621
00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,500
Which ones? Well....
622
00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:32,638
Sharon Tate is one of them, sir.
623
00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:37,609
lf we don't find the gun and tie it to
Manson, we have nothing on him...
624
00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:39,118
...except hearsay.
625
00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:42,087
None of the statements places him
at the murder scenes.
626
00:57:42,258 --> 00:57:46,752
But he ordered these killings!
He ordered Shea, Tate, Hinman, LaBianca.
627
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:49,592
-He's as guilty as Hitler.
-Can we prove it?
628
00:57:49,766 --> 00:57:53,224
-Not yet.
-Then we better go with what we got.
629
00:57:53,403 --> 00:57:56,304
-What have we got?
-Susan Atkins.
630
00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:59,965
-L.A.P.D. wants to make a deal with her.
-No way. lmmunity for her?
631
00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:04,375
lf what she told Ronnie Howard is true,
she personally killed Hinman and Tate.
632
00:58:04,547 --> 00:58:08,210
-We don't give her anything.
-We may have no choice.
633
00:58:08,384 --> 00:58:11,820
Chief Davis doesn't want her
to walk away any more than you do.
634
00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,116
But the public pressure
on him is unbelievable.
635
00:58:15,291 --> 00:58:18,124
Every time he shows his face,
a reporter asks him:
636
00:58:18,294 --> 00:58:22,458
''What, if anything, is happening on Tate?''
He is being pilloried by the press.
637
00:58:22,632 --> 00:58:26,796
-Aaron, just give me some time.
-We don't have time!
638
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:32,032
lnyo County can't hold Manson forever
on that arson charge.
639
00:58:32,208 --> 00:58:38,579
He'll disappear the minute they spring him,
unless we make a case against him, fast.
640
00:58:39,082 --> 00:58:40,811
Motive.
641
00:58:41,885 --> 00:58:43,648
We need a motive, Vince.
642
00:58:44,053 --> 00:58:48,012
What would be the motive
for the Tate slaughter?
643
00:58:48,458 --> 00:58:50,551
-Robbery?
-No, no. lt can't be robbery.
644
00:58:50,727 --> 00:58:54,663
-Too much valuable property left behind.
-That's right.
645
00:58:55,064 --> 00:58:58,090
Well, you know how tough it is
to prove conspiracy, Vince.
646
00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:01,465
And that's what we gotta prove
if we're gonna convict Manson.
647
00:59:01,638 --> 00:59:03,572
Right, right, right.
648
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:07,699
You gonna prove that Manson's domination
over these hippies is so great...
649
00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:12,576
...that he ordered them to commit
seven seemingly unmotivated murders?
650
00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:14,683
And they obeyed?
651
00:59:15,785 --> 00:59:17,685
Good luck with the jury on that one.
652
00:59:25,061 --> 00:59:28,622
The Panamint Mountain Range.
The western edge of Death Valley.
653
00:59:28,798 --> 00:59:32,632
Three months after the killings.
Frank Fowles, DA of Inyo County...
654
00:59:32,802 --> 00:59:37,205
...guides a search party to Barker Ranch,
where the Family lived for over a month...
655
00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:41,969
-...prior to their arrest in October.
-Now, you're sure this trip was necessary?
656
01:00:18,214 --> 01:00:22,480
You mean to tell me, Manson drove
that bus up the way we just came?
657
01:00:23,586 --> 01:00:28,182
He brought it up here from the Vegas side,
which is only a little less rough.
658
01:00:28,358 --> 01:00:31,691
lt'll never be driven out of here,
l can tell you that.
659
01:00:41,904 --> 01:00:44,737
These magazines all have
an article on Hitler in them.
660
01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:47,671
Oh, Charlie's a Hitler nut...
661
01:00:48,344 --> 01:00:50,437
...among other things.
662
01:00:51,114 --> 01:00:55,483
Vince, l have never heard anything
like the report...
663
01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:58,883
...the raiding officers turned in
on this gang up here.
664
01:00:59,055 --> 01:01:05,324
Drugs, sex orgies,
dozens of girls running around naked.
665
01:01:05,828 --> 01:01:09,730
Hell, they were charging
all over the landscape...
666
01:01:09,899 --> 01:01:12,868
...in a bunch of dune buggies
they brought up here.
667
01:01:13,036 --> 01:01:17,871
They had field phones strung
all over the area.
668
01:01:20,209 --> 01:01:24,669
You-- You know this Charlie
thinks he's Jesus Christ.
669
01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:26,872
Yeah, so l heard.
670
01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:30,277
Vince...
671
01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:34,980
-...what exactly are you looking for?
-Remember that .22 l told you about?
672
01:01:35,158 --> 01:01:38,127
Come on, there are no guns here.
673
01:01:38,294 --> 01:01:41,195
This place has been gone over
with a fine-toothed comb.
674
01:01:41,364 --> 01:01:43,628
Well, at the LaBianca residence...
675
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,769
...the credit cards were stolen,
and her driver's license.
676
01:01:46,936 --> 01:01:48,995
Maybe they stole some dresses.
677
01:01:49,172 --> 01:01:50,434
Hey.
678
01:01:50,606 --> 01:01:55,737
-These dresses come from good stores.
-Maybe we can find some blood stains.
679
01:01:55,912 --> 01:01:59,609
At the Tate residence, a killer left
a bloody heel print on the porch.
680
01:01:59,782 --> 01:02:03,741
There was a little mark, a little indentation.
lf l could match that up....
681
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:21,395
-Hey, Ross, did you find anything?
-Oh, yeah, everything except blood.
682
01:02:21,571 --> 01:02:26,304
This is the filthiest mess of clothes l've
seen. lt should be cleaned, then burned.
683
01:02:26,476 --> 01:02:28,535
-What time you got?
-3:30.
684
01:02:28,711 --> 01:02:33,614
-Already? You sure about that thing?
-Within a minute, you could bet on it.
685
01:02:33,783 --> 01:02:38,982
lt gets dark early up here.
l think we should start back.
686
01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:44,352
Independence, California,
November 21, 1969.
687
01:02:52,802 --> 01:02:57,933
Lisa Armbruster, 25, also known as Richie.
Married name, Mrs. Charles Nicholas.
688
01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:04,239
Cindy Jane Orelia, 2 1, also known as
Freckles, also known as Martha Ellen Fry.
689
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:15,053
Excuse me, girls.
l've been looking for you.
690
01:03:15,224 --> 01:03:17,954
Aren't you Cindy and Lisa?
691
01:03:19,428 --> 01:03:24,422
-l'm Vincent Bugliosi.
-Oh, the DA from L.A.?
692
01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:27,659
Did you enjoy your trip to the ranch?
693
01:03:27,837 --> 01:03:32,501
We visited Charlie in the jailhouse.
He told us you were there.
694
01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:36,509
Well, how'd you girls like to have
a little chat with me this afternoon?
695
01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:40,772
Sure, if you'll buy us some candy.
696
01:03:46,589 --> 01:03:51,526
You two are the first actual members of the
Manson Family l've had a chance to talk to.
697
01:03:52,528 --> 01:03:56,521
-You seem very happy.
-We are.
698
01:03:56,699 --> 01:04:01,102
-Mr. Fowles has a very nice office.
-Are you always this happy?
699
01:04:02,371 --> 01:04:05,135
-What's the secret?
-We found the truth.
700
01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:08,743
-What's the truth?
-Charlie is love.
701
01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:12,707
Charlie is love. ls that it?
702
01:04:12,882 --> 01:04:17,410
-How do you mean, the male-female sense?
-Well, that's it, but that's only a part.
703
01:04:17,587 --> 01:04:21,489
-Love is love. You can't define it.
-Did Charlie teach you that?
704
01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:27,758
Charlie taught us to look at ourselves
and see the love within.
705
01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:36,831
When you accompanied Charlie
up to Barker Ranch in that bus...
706
01:04:37,006 --> 01:04:40,066
-...how did he get it over the washouts?
-He flew it.
707
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:42,134
You mean--?
708
01:04:42,578 --> 01:04:46,241
You actually believe Charlie made
the bus fly over the washouts?
709
01:04:47,583 --> 01:04:49,483
Oh, we were there.
710
01:04:50,486 --> 01:04:52,750
Do you believe he's Jesus Christ?
711
01:05:00,363 --> 01:05:03,890
When you were at Spahn Ranch,
Charlie assigned you to keep house...
712
01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:08,093
-...for George Spahn. ls that right?
-Yes. l love George.
713
01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,240
ls your love for Charlie different
than for George Spahn?
714
01:05:11,407 --> 01:05:14,205
No. Love is love.
715
01:05:14,377 --> 01:05:16,743
Come on.
George Spahn is over 80 years old.
716
01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:22,315
l'm in love with George. lf he asked
me to marry him, l would.
717
01:05:22,485 --> 01:05:26,012
He's a beautiful person inside.
718
01:05:26,455 --> 01:05:28,685
And he's a good lover too.
719
01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:32,894
Actually, l'm not very interested
in your sex life, Cindy.
720
01:05:33,262 --> 01:05:36,288
What l am very, very interested in
is what you may know...
721
01:05:36,465 --> 01:05:39,457
...about the Tate, Hinman,
LaBianca and other murders.
722
01:05:39,635 --> 01:05:46,063
-We don't know anything about any crimes.
-All we know or care about is love.
723
01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:49,343
l see.
724
01:05:49,512 --> 01:05:54,415
Well, do you mind telling me where you two
were on the nights of August 8 and 9?
725
01:05:54,583 --> 01:05:57,677
There's no such thing as time.
726
01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:00,847
There's only love.
727
01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:16,000
Okay, Charlie, let's get going.
Gate's open. Unlocked.
728
01:06:18,541 --> 01:06:20,168
Gate open.
729
01:06:24,246 --> 01:06:26,806
Okay, Charlie. Let's go.
730
01:06:28,684 --> 01:06:34,213
Charlie, tell me, what is it you got against
these earthmoving machines anyhow?
731
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:37,553
That's the pigs ripping off nature, man.
732
01:06:37,727 --> 01:06:40,855
ls that a fact?
Well, let's go. Come on.
733
01:07:04,854 --> 01:07:07,345
Three months after
the Tate-LaBianca murders...
734
01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,686
...Manson is arraigned at the
Inyo-Kern County courthouse...
735
01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:14,091
...for the destruction of the county's
earthmoving equipment.
736
01:07:16,766 --> 01:07:22,227
l understand Manson's going to plead
not guilty to setting fire to that machine.
737
01:07:22,405 --> 01:07:25,568
-He'll get bail.
-Ask for as high a bail as possible.
738
01:07:25,741 --> 01:07:28,869
You can hold him till l'm ready
for the grand jury in L.A.
739
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,842
Okay.
740
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:39,486
Five deputies for me? What do you
gentlemen do when you get a real baddy?
741
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:50,695
-That's Jesus Christ.
-What'd you do with his disciples?
742
01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:54,266
They sound alike, say the same
thing, nobody tells me anything.
743
01:07:54,437 --> 01:07:59,636
That's telling me something. Manson
is exercising domination over these girls.
744
01:08:01,944 --> 01:08:05,004
The way we can get them to talk
is to bring them to L.A...
745
01:08:05,181 --> 01:08:07,775
...away from him,
and question them separately.
746
01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:13,149
The wandering troubadour act of his. lt's
part of a con to get us to underestimate him.
747
01:08:13,489 --> 01:08:16,788
lf he looks like he's gonna
make bail, give me a call in L.A.
748
01:08:16,959 --> 01:08:18,517
Okay.
749
01:08:32,308 --> 01:08:37,405
The Manson girls are transferred from
Independence to L.A. County jurisdiction.
750
01:08:56,165 --> 01:08:58,565
Pigs, bye-bye.
751
01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:18,579
l've talked to the girls, Danny, and l
believe Manson had enough domination...
752
01:09:18,754 --> 01:09:22,588
-...to send them to do anything.
-Not just the girls. Clem, Tex, Bobby--
753
01:09:22,758 --> 01:09:28,162
Why? Why would he send them to kill
Sharon Tate and everybody in that house?
754
01:09:28,364 --> 01:09:31,527
They didn't go there to rob them.
They didn't take anything.
755
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:36,694
See, Charlie taught the Family
that pigs just deserve to die.
756
01:09:36,906 --> 01:09:38,931
l mean, that's all they were good for.
757
01:09:39,108 --> 01:09:43,442
He wanted to kill the pigs,
blame it on the niggers and start a race war.
758
01:09:43,612 --> 01:09:45,705
Why a race war?
759
01:09:47,316 --> 01:09:48,840
Well...
760
01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:54,088
...Charlie was always preaching
that the karma was turning, you know?
761
01:09:54,256 --> 01:09:56,986
And it was blackies
turn to be on top.
762
01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:01,425
-But why?
-l don't know. That's just what he said.
763
01:10:02,264 --> 01:10:04,789
Who did he call pigs?
764
01:10:05,801 --> 01:10:07,166
The establishment.
765
01:10:08,737 --> 01:10:12,195
Pigs. They use that word a lot,
don't they?
766
01:10:13,943 --> 01:10:15,740
That's right.
767
01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:18,107
All the time.
768
01:10:18,614 --> 01:10:21,276
Well, if the other girls
talked like you say, fine.
769
01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:24,853
More power to you.
Why do you need me?
770
01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:28,979
Leslie Van Houten is interrogated by
Sergeant O'Neal of homicide, L.A.P.D.
771
01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:31,820
l wanna know who was involved.
772
01:10:32,361 --> 01:10:35,057
l wanna know how it went down,
all the details.
773
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,689
l said l'd talk about it if l changed my mind.
774
01:10:38,867 --> 01:10:41,199
l haven't changed my mind yet.
775
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:43,634
You're gonna have
to talk about it someday.
776
01:10:43,806 --> 01:10:46,866
Maybe, but not today.
777
01:10:47,042 --> 01:10:52,207
Hey, how did you
ever trace it back to Spahn?
778
01:10:53,282 --> 01:10:55,910
Who did you see leave
the night of August 8?
779
01:10:56,085 --> 01:11:01,717
l went to bed early that night.
Really, l don't want to talk about it.
780
01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:08,156
-Why are you trying to protect them?
-l don't need to protect nobody.
781
01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:11,197
You couldn't meet
a nicer bunch of people.
782
01:11:11,367 --> 01:11:14,336
The Family's no more, Leslie.
Charlie's in jail.
783
01:11:14,503 --> 01:11:16,095
-Not for long.
-Clem's in jail.
784
01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:18,672
Boots killed himself
playing Russian roulette.
785
01:11:18,841 --> 01:11:20,365
Boots dead?
786
01:11:20,976 --> 01:11:23,968
Playing Russian roulette? How?
Who else was there?
787
01:11:24,146 --> 01:11:26,273
-Cisco Budge.
-Was Cisco playing too?
788
01:11:26,448 --> 01:11:27,779
No.
789
01:11:29,084 --> 01:11:32,212
Boots was playing
Russian roulette all by himself.
790
01:11:32,688 --> 01:11:34,656
Kind of odd, isn't it?
791
01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,285
Yeah, it's odd.
792
01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:40,656
Leslie...
793
01:11:40,829 --> 01:11:45,027
...we know that five people went to the
Tate residence. Three girls and two men.
794
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,997
We know that one was Charles.
795
01:11:47,202 --> 01:11:50,228
l don't think Charlie
was in on any of them.
796
01:11:50,406 --> 01:11:54,137
There were only four people went
up there and three of them were girls.
797
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:57,211
l heard one girl didn't murder
anyone while they was--
798
01:11:57,379 --> 01:12:00,109
-They were up there.
-No? Who was that?
799
01:12:00,582 --> 01:12:02,140
Girl by the name of Linda.
800
01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:03,649
-Linda who?
-l don't know.
801
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:07,050
-Who told you she was there?
-l don't remember!
802
01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:12,155
l don't remember who told me little details.
803
01:12:13,228 --> 01:12:18,962
Susan Atkins told 15 people in the jailhouse
she was there and that she took part in it.
804
01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:21,466
That's incredible.
805
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:26,539
Didn't she mention anyone else?
806
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:30,110
-Charlie and Katie.
-Not Charlie. Charles.
807
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:33,009
He's Tex. Tex Watson.
808
01:12:35,150 --> 01:12:39,644
-She mentioned Tex and Katie?
-That's right.
809
01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:43,357
That's pretty nauseating.
810
01:12:47,162 --> 01:12:51,656
She said that Katie was there. Now,
l know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel.
811
01:12:51,867 --> 01:12:55,166
And you know that Katie's
Patricia Krenwinkel.
812
01:12:57,973 --> 01:13:01,067
She said she went out the next night
and killed two people.
813
01:13:01,477 --> 01:13:03,638
Sadie said that?
814
01:13:05,214 --> 01:13:08,206
l'm not saying another word.
Nothing!
815
01:13:09,818 --> 01:13:12,946
Leslie, when you help me,
you're helping yourself.
816
01:13:13,756 --> 01:13:18,318
lf Boots was found playing Russian roulette,
l could be found playing Russian roulette.
817
01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:24,457
-We'll give you 24-hour protection.
-Oh, that would really be nice.
818
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,264
l'd rather stay in jail.
819
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:39,643
Based on inadvertent bits of information
leaked by Leslie Van Houten and others...
820
01:13:39,815 --> 01:13:44,946
...and interviews with detectives, L.A.P.D.
issues warrants for arrests of three persons.
821
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,884
That's right, sheriff,
Charles Denton Watson.
822
01:13:48,056 --> 01:13:52,356
Male Caucasian, 6-feet-2,
160 pounds...
823
01:13:52,528 --> 01:13:57,227
...slim build, ruddy complexion,
born December 2, 1945.
824
01:13:57,399 --> 01:13:59,367
-5-foot-3.
-187 P.C. Murder.
825
01:14:02,738 --> 01:14:07,675
22 years old, brown hair, blue eyes.
That's correct, sir.
826
01:14:07,843 --> 01:14:11,677
Krenwinkel, Patricia. 187 P.C.
827
01:14:11,847 --> 01:14:17,376
Linda Kasabian, age 20, no physical
description, present address unknown.
828
01:14:17,553 --> 01:14:19,714
-Hi, Vince.
-How you doing?
829
01:14:20,355 --> 01:14:23,153
Talked to Sheriff Ansel
in Watson's hometown in Texas.
830
01:14:23,325 --> 01:14:25,623
Watson's there.
Sheriff's gonna pick him up.
831
01:14:25,794 --> 01:14:29,890
Ansel, Ansel. Watson used that name.
He's using his hometown sheriff's name?
832
01:14:30,065 --> 01:14:32,863
-Second cousins.
-l smell extradition problems.
833
01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:34,434
-Maybe good news.
-What?
834
01:14:34,603 --> 01:14:38,869
Watson was busted on a drug charge
in Van Nuys on April 23 and fingerprinted.
835
01:14:39,041 --> 01:14:42,704
l sent the fingerprints down
to latent print section on rush order.
836
01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:45,574
-You come up with anything?
-We're working on it.
837
01:14:45,747 --> 01:14:48,238
When we find it, we'll give it to you.
838
01:14:51,386 --> 01:14:52,785
Right.
839
01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:55,221
Thank you.
840
01:14:57,759 --> 01:14:59,784
Print on Watson's right ring finger...
841
01:14:59,962 --> 01:15:03,523
...matches the latent thumb
on the front door to the Tate residence.
842
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:11,662
l'll buy you a cup of coffee.
That's the first piece of physical evidence...
843
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,638
...connecting any of the suspects
to the crime scene.
844
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:18,143
-What about Manson?
-Not one of the five girls will discuss him.
845
01:15:18,313 --> 01:15:22,113
-Not even Van Houten.
-So the big fish is still out of the net.
846
01:15:22,284 --> 01:15:26,414
-The only shot we have is Atkins, Vince.
-lmmunity for the little monster.
847
01:15:26,588 --> 01:15:31,116
-We don't have much choice.
-A minute ago l was happy, now l'm down.
848
01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:34,751
No matter who we convict,
if Charlie and Sadie go free, we failed.
849
01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:39,299
Partial failure, maybe.
Partial isn't as bad as total failure.
850
01:15:39,668 --> 01:15:43,695
Somehow judging my life by the size
of my failures doesn't really grab me.
851
01:15:45,841 --> 01:15:48,901
Concord, NH. Three months,
two weeks after the slayings...
852
01:15:49,077 --> 01:15:53,309
...Linda Kasabian, hearing that a warrant
is out for her, surrenders to police.
853
01:15:56,785 --> 01:15:58,150
In McKinney, Texas...
854
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,347
...Sergeant Phil Cohen telephones
his report to L.A.P.D.
855
01:16:03,692 --> 01:16:09,255
The sheriff, Ansel, won't let us talk
to Watson or even take his fingerprints.
856
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:13,167
l don't know.
857
01:16:13,335 --> 01:16:17,203
We're not gonna get much cooperation
from these good old boys down here...
858
01:16:17,372 --> 01:16:20,136
...as far as getting Watson
to L.A. to stand trial.
859
01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:25,971
Listen. Before we go in, Dennis,
let's check signals.
860
01:16:26,148 --> 01:16:27,945
l want this to be a short meeting.
861
01:16:28,116 --> 01:16:30,914
This is to confirm with the DA
what we've discussed.
862
01:16:31,086 --> 01:16:34,453
The best deal that we can give Susan
is if she cooperates...
863
01:16:34,623 --> 01:16:39,583
...and testifies truthfully before the jury
about the Hinman, Tate, LaBianca cases...
864
01:16:39,761 --> 01:16:44,494
...then we will not seek the death penalty
against her in those cases, okay?
865
01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:49,296
You won't use her testimony against her
or her codefendants at the trial.
866
01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:52,372
-We're getting the short end.
-She's all we've got.
867
01:16:52,541 --> 01:16:56,204
At least we'll get indictments.
l don't want a lot of renegotiation...
868
01:16:56,378 --> 01:16:58,676
-...to start after we get in Younger's office.
-l'm with you.
869
01:16:58,847 --> 01:17:00,974
-He knows how lucky he is.
-Aaron, Vince!
870
01:17:01,149 --> 01:17:04,084
-Lieutenant, you know Dennis?
-l've seen him around.
871
01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:07,050
-Could l speak to you alone?
-l'll meet you inside.
872
01:17:07,222 --> 01:17:09,053
Right. Right, guy.
873
01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:12,589
We got an exemplar
of Krenwinkel's prints from Mobile.
874
01:17:12,761 --> 01:17:15,252
The print of the little finger
on her left hand...
875
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:19,093
...matches a latent that Gerebone lifted
off a door in Tate's bedroom.
876
01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:21,167
-You do good work.
-Most of the time.
877
01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:24,169
-Who's your friend?
-lt's great having physical evidence...
878
01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:27,797
...but l've gotta have the .22 Buntline
and a case against Manson.
879
01:17:36,918 --> 01:17:40,786
Now you know that the grand jury
proceedings are secret....
880
01:17:43,025 --> 01:17:45,687
Thank you very much, gentlemen!
Thank you.
881
01:17:50,532 --> 01:17:56,198
-Where did you first meet Charlie?
-l was living in his house in Haight-Ashbury.
882
01:17:56,371 --> 01:18:00,068
Were there other young men and
women living in that house with you?
883
01:18:00,242 --> 01:18:01,869
Oh, sure.
884
01:18:02,044 --> 01:18:06,276
Would it be fair and accurate to say
that as a group you were into drugs?
885
01:18:06,448 --> 01:18:08,916
Sure, that would be accurate.
886
01:18:09,084 --> 01:18:12,281
-Shall l get back to Charlie?
-Yes, go ahead, please.
887
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,754
Charlie's looking at us right now,
and he can hear everything we're saying.
888
01:18:17,926 --> 01:18:20,588
Susan, Charlie is up in lndependence, in jail.
889
01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,160
You're not capable of understanding.
890
01:18:26,501 --> 01:18:28,401
Well...
891
01:18:29,271 --> 01:18:32,707
...l was sitting in the living room,
this is about two years ago...
892
01:18:33,075 --> 01:18:36,374
...and a man walked in,
and he had a guitar with him.
893
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:40,675
And all of a sudden he was surrounded
by girls, and he started to sing.
894
01:18:40,849 --> 01:18:42,942
He sounded like an angel.
895
01:18:43,118 --> 01:18:46,485
-You are referring to Charles Manson?
-Yes.
896
01:18:47,656 --> 01:18:50,750
A couple of days later,
he asked me to go for a walk...
897
01:18:50,926 --> 01:18:54,828
...and we walked a couple
of blocks to another house...
898
01:18:54,996 --> 01:18:57,692
...and he told me he wanted
to make love with me.
899
01:18:57,866 --> 01:19:01,495
l acknowledged the fact
that l wanted to make love with him.
900
01:19:01,670 --> 01:19:05,800
And when l had all my clothes off,
he told me...
901
01:19:05,974 --> 01:19:09,466
...to go over to the mirror
and look at myself.
902
01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:16,178
l didn't wanna do it, but he took me
by the hand and made me do it.
903
01:19:17,753 --> 01:19:21,655
And he said,
''Go ahead and look at yourself.
904
01:19:21,823 --> 01:19:25,691
There's nothing wrong with you.
You're perfect.
905
01:19:25,861 --> 01:19:28,227
You always have been perfect.''
906
01:19:29,297 --> 01:19:34,291
-Did you have sexual intercourse with him?
-Yes.
907
01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:37,229
Was there any limit to what
you would do for him?
908
01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:40,965
-No.
-Did you steal for him?
909
01:19:41,877 --> 01:19:47,474
For him? Well, l stole. We all stole.
Credit cards, cars, other things.
910
01:19:47,716 --> 01:19:50,742
Did Charlie Manson
ask you to steal for him?
911
01:19:50,919 --> 01:19:55,481
No, l took it upon myself.
l was....
912
01:19:55,657 --> 01:19:59,252
-We get programmed.
-Programmed by Charlie?
913
01:20:00,328 --> 01:20:02,990
By Charlie, but....
914
01:20:04,299 --> 01:20:07,166
lt's hard for me to explain it so that...
915
01:20:07,335 --> 01:20:12,568
...you can see the way--
The way l see.
916
01:20:12,741 --> 01:20:18,077
The words that would come from Charlie's
mouth would not come from inside him.
917
01:20:18,246 --> 01:20:22,307
They would come from--
From what l call the infinite.
918
01:20:23,151 --> 01:20:27,212
-The infinite?
-Yes. The infinite.
919
01:20:38,033 --> 01:20:44,268
On the eighth of August, did Charlie instruct
you and other members to do anything?
920
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,637
Well, l never recall getting any actual
instructions from Charlie, other than...
921
01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:55,010
...getting a change of clothing and a knife
and was told to do what Tex told me to do.
922
01:20:55,183 --> 01:20:58,277
Did he tell you the type
of clothing you should take?
923
01:20:58,453 --> 01:21:01,047
He said to wear dark clothes.
924
01:21:01,489 --> 01:21:03,650
And who went with you that night?
925
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,286
Katie, Tex and Linda.
926
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,693
And Tex said we were going to a house
that used to belong to Terry Melcher.
927
01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:20,171
The only reason we were going there was
because Tex knew the outline of the house.
928
01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:24,108
Did Tex tell you why you were going
to Terry Melcher's former residence?
929
01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:27,248
To get all the money
and kill whoever was there.
930
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:31,883
Didn't make any difference who.
You were told to kill them all?
931
01:21:32,053 --> 01:21:33,520
Yes.
932
01:21:33,688 --> 01:21:37,522
-Did all of you girls enter at the same time?
-Only two of us entered.
933
01:21:37,692 --> 01:21:40,490
-One stayed outside.
-And who stayed outside?
934
01:21:40,662 --> 01:21:42,789
Linda Kasabian.
935
01:21:47,035 --> 01:21:51,904
And Frykowski ran for the front door,
yelling for somebody to come and help him.
936
01:21:52,073 --> 01:21:56,567
When he did, Tex got to him and started
hitting him over the head with the gun butt.
937
01:21:56,745 --> 01:22:00,237
When the gun butt broke,
he started stabbing him.
938
01:22:01,383 --> 01:22:03,283
Well...
939
01:22:03,451 --> 01:22:08,821
...when l came out of the house, l saw
Tex stabbing Abigail Folger three or....
940
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:11,356
l don't know how many times.
941
01:22:11,526 --> 01:22:15,121
Katie and l were looking for Linda
because she wasn't around.
942
01:22:15,764 --> 01:22:19,200
Then Tex went over to where
the other man was on the lawn.
943
01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:21,501
-Frykowski?
-Yes.
944
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:23,861
And Tex kicked him in the head...
945
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:28,203
...and the body didn't move very much,
and l believe it was dead at the time.
946
01:22:31,212 --> 01:22:33,806
We have a juror who
would like to be excused...
947
01:22:33,982 --> 01:22:37,383
...for just a couple of minutes.
948
01:22:51,833 --> 01:22:54,927
And then Tex told me
to go back in the house...
949
01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:57,503
...and write something in the victim's blood.
950
01:22:57,672 --> 01:23:00,641
''Something that would shock
the world,'' he said.
951
01:23:01,643 --> 01:23:05,773
Well, l'd previously been involved
in something similar to this...
952
01:23:05,947 --> 01:23:08,939
...where l saw ''political piggy''
written on the wall.
953
01:23:09,117 --> 01:23:11,551
So that stuck very heavily in my mind.
954
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:18,148
So l went back in the house and walked
over to Sharon Tate, and l heard sounds.
955
01:23:19,861 --> 01:23:22,022
What kind of sounds were they?
956
01:23:22,764 --> 01:23:27,064
Gurgling sounds, like blood flowing
into the body out of the heart.
957
01:23:28,036 --> 01:23:29,936
What did you do then?
958
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:36,302
l picked up the towel,
turned my head and touched her chest...
959
01:23:36,478 --> 01:23:41,211
...and at the same time,
l saw that she was pregnant.
960
01:23:41,383 --> 01:23:47,686
And l knew that there was a living
being inside of that body, and l wanted to...
961
01:23:47,856 --> 01:23:51,383
...but l didn't have the courage
to go ahead and take it.
962
01:23:54,896 --> 01:23:58,195
l took the towel
with Sharon Tate's blood...
963
01:23:58,366 --> 01:24:03,702
...walked over to the door,
and with the towel wrote ''pig'' on the door.
964
01:24:09,878 --> 01:24:14,372
And when we got back to the ranch,
Charlie was waiting for us.
965
01:24:14,549 --> 01:24:18,007
He wanted to know
what we were doing home so early.
966
01:24:18,186 --> 01:24:21,678
Tex told him basically
what we had done. He said:
967
01:24:21,856 --> 01:24:25,257
''lt all happened fast
and there was a lot of panic.''
968
01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:32,163
He said, ''Boy, it sure was helter skelter.''
And then...
969
01:24:32,934 --> 01:24:36,597
...l wiped the car down for blood,
and l went to bed.
970
01:24:36,771 --> 01:24:39,638
l made love to someone.
971
01:24:39,808 --> 01:24:45,576
Clem, l think. l'm not sure.
Maybe l imagined it.
972
01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:53,678
Now we come to the second night,
the night of August the ninth.
973
01:24:54,689 --> 01:24:57,920
Well, that evening Charlie told me again...
974
01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:02,496
...to go ahead and get an extra set
of clothing, and l looked at him...
975
01:25:02,664 --> 01:25:04,791
...and l knew what he wanted me to do.
976
01:25:04,966 --> 01:25:08,561
And l gave a sort of sigh and went
and did what he asked me to do.
977
01:25:09,003 --> 01:25:10,698
Who went with you that night?
978
01:25:10,972 --> 01:25:13,839
Charlie and Katie and Tex
and Linda and--
979
01:25:14,008 --> 01:25:17,375
-Charlie went with you that night?
-He was in the car, yes.
980
01:25:17,545 --> 01:25:19,536
-Who else?
-And Leslie.
981
01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,705
-Leslie Van Houten?
-Yes.
982
01:25:25,954 --> 01:25:31,324
And then Katie said the woman heard her
husband being killed and started to scream:
983
01:25:31,493 --> 01:25:34,053
''What are you doing to my husband?''
984
01:25:36,064 --> 01:25:39,591
And then Katie said that she
then proceeded to stab the woman.
985
01:25:40,101 --> 01:25:42,331
Katie told you this the next morning?
986
01:25:43,037 --> 01:25:47,371
Like l said, Charlie and Linda and l drove
off after they went into the house.
987
01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:50,678
Leslie was helping Katie
hold the woman down.
988
01:25:50,879 --> 01:25:52,176
Rosemary LaBianca?
989
01:25:52,347 --> 01:25:55,942
We found out later
it was Rosemary LaBianca.
990
01:25:56,951 --> 01:26:00,751
Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman
down because she was fighting...
991
01:26:00,922 --> 01:26:03,083
...all the way up until she died.
992
01:26:04,058 --> 01:26:07,755
Then Katie said she went
in the living room with a fork in her hand...
993
01:26:07,929 --> 01:26:11,524
...looked at the man's stomach,
put the fork in his stomach...
994
01:26:11,699 --> 01:26:14,862
...and watched it wobble back and forth.
995
01:26:17,405 --> 01:26:19,999
She said she carved
the word ''war'' on his stomach.
996
01:26:20,175 --> 01:26:22,769
Then did Katie, Tex
and Leslie leave the house?
997
01:26:23,511 --> 01:26:27,038
No. First they wrote
some stuff in blood.
998
01:26:27,215 --> 01:26:31,914
''Death to all pigs,'' l think,
and ''Helter Skelter'' and ''arise.''
999
01:26:32,086 --> 01:26:35,988
Then they took a shower, went in the
kitchen and made something to eat.
1000
01:26:36,591 --> 01:26:40,823
Susan, what do the words ''pig'' and ''Helter
Skelter'' mean to you and your Family?
1001
01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:45,895
''Pig'' was a word used
to describe the establishment.
1002
01:26:46,067 --> 01:26:49,935
But you must understand that
all words had no meaning to us.
1003
01:26:50,104 --> 01:26:54,268
-And ''Helter Skelter'' was explained to me.
-By whom?
1004
01:26:54,442 --> 01:26:55,704
Charlie.
1005
01:26:57,111 --> 01:27:02,811
l don't like to say Charlie. l'd like
to say the words came from his mouth...
1006
01:27:02,984 --> 01:27:07,114
...that Helter Skelter was to be
the last war on the face of the Earth.
1007
01:27:07,288 --> 01:27:13,557
lt would be all wars that had been fought
built one on top of the other, something...
1008
01:27:13,728 --> 01:27:17,630
...no man can conceive
in his imagination.
1009
01:27:26,174 --> 01:27:31,874
You can't conceive of what it would be like
to see every man judge himself...
1010
01:27:32,046 --> 01:27:36,745
...and then take it out on every other man
all over the face of the Earth.
1011
01:28:09,183 --> 01:28:12,277
Sunday, December 14, 1969.
1012
01:28:12,453 --> 01:28:14,751
Four months after the murders took place...
1013
01:28:14,922 --> 01:28:18,153
...the world begins to read
Susan Atkins' story of the murders.
1014
01:28:21,663 --> 01:28:25,224
Hey, Charlie. Hear what happened?
1015
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,632
Your little tootsie sold her story
to the newspapers. lt's all in there.
1016
01:28:29,804 --> 01:28:34,332
How you done it. How they
done it, all on your orders.
1017
01:28:34,876 --> 01:28:37,071
Think you're a big deal, don't you?
1018
01:28:37,245 --> 01:28:41,682
Well, l wanna tell you,
your butt is in a sling.
1019
01:28:42,917 --> 01:28:47,911
Know what they're gonna do to you?
They're gonna walk you the long walk.
1020
01:28:48,623 --> 01:28:51,251
They're gonna drop the pill on you, Charlie.
1021
01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:55,992
What do you think of that, huh? Huh?
1022
01:29:08,710 --> 01:29:11,270
lt's the same story she gave the grand jury.
1023
01:29:11,646 --> 01:29:15,138
Can't use that. Can't use this.
1024
01:29:15,316 --> 01:29:18,649
They'll claim a fair trial's impossible.
Too much publicity.
1025
01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:22,153
lt's gonna be hard finding
jurors that haven't heard about this.
1026
01:29:22,323 --> 01:29:24,621
This just makes a tough trial tougher.
1027
01:29:25,426 --> 01:29:29,419
Susan's lawyer swears the sale was made
only for European publication.
1028
01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:32,791
He has no idea how The Times
got ahold of the story.
1029
01:29:32,967 --> 01:29:34,434
Just a fortunate accident.
1030
01:29:34,602 --> 01:29:38,698
The Los Angeles County grand jury
hands down the following indictments:
1031
01:29:38,873 --> 01:29:41,603
Leslie Van Houten,
in custody in Los Angeles...
1032
01:29:41,776 --> 01:29:45,712
...two counts of murder and one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1033
01:29:46,247 --> 01:29:49,705
Susan Atkins, in custody in Los
Angeles, seven counts of murder...
1034
01:29:49,884 --> 01:29:52,409
...and one count of conspiracy
to commit murder.
1035
01:29:53,454 --> 01:29:56,355
Charles Tex Watson,
in custody in McKinney, Texas...
1036
01:29:56,524 --> 01:29:59,982
...seven counts of murder, one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1037
01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:04,359
Patricia Katie Krenwinkel,
in custody in Mobile, Alabama...
1038
01:30:04,532 --> 01:30:08,525
...seven counts of murder and one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1039
01:30:14,075 --> 01:30:16,339
Linda Kasabian,
in custody in Los Angeles...
1040
01:30:16,511 --> 01:30:19,639
...seven counts of murder,
one of conspiracy to commit murder.
1041
01:30:21,549 --> 01:30:24,518
Charles Manson,
in custody in Independence, California...
1042
01:30:24,685 --> 01:30:29,019
...seven counts of murder and one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1043
01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:37,563
-Hi, Manny.
-Hey, Vince.
1044
01:30:37,732 --> 01:30:42,465
You're not supposed to be walking alone.
You're on Manson's death list.
1045
01:30:42,637 --> 01:30:44,229
Oh, wonderful.
1046
01:30:44,505 --> 01:30:47,599
Glad you came.
l'm doing the arraignments in four minutes.
1047
01:30:47,775 --> 01:30:50,573
Phil and l brought Charlie
from lndependence today--
1051
01:30:50,744 --> 01:30:54,407
You sneaked him in, didn't you?
l don't want him talking to the girls.
1052
01:30:54,581 --> 01:30:56,845
The girls don't even know he's here.
1053
01:30:57,017 --> 01:30:59,577
Good. All l have to do
is get a case against him.
1054
01:30:59,753 --> 01:31:01,880
Don't worry, you'll nail the bastard.
1055
01:31:02,055 --> 01:31:04,148
You better come up
with some big nails.
1056
01:31:04,324 --> 01:31:07,191
Right now l've got an indictment.
That's all l've got.
1057
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,160
This little Sadie will exercise her right
not to testify at the trial...
1058
01:31:11,331 --> 01:31:14,300
...and since it's all l got,
l'm finished before l start.
1059
01:31:14,468 --> 01:31:17,631
Can't use her testimony
against her or her codefendants.
1060
01:31:17,804 --> 01:31:20,068
We'll find something for you, Vince.
1061
01:31:44,464 --> 01:31:49,834
Hurry. With what we've got now, the
judge will throw the case out before trial.
1062
01:32:10,023 --> 01:32:12,958
Krenwinkel's fighting extradition.
1063
01:32:14,327 --> 01:32:16,693
l grant the continuance.
1064
01:32:27,607 --> 01:32:32,169
Mr. Bugliosi, Charlie's very close.
1065
01:32:32,579 --> 01:32:34,103
He's sending vibes.
1066
01:32:34,281 --> 01:32:37,114
You better believe Charlie's
got power, Mr. Bugliosi.
1067
01:32:37,284 --> 01:32:41,744
Once in the desert he picked up a dead bird
and breathed on it, and it flew away.
1068
01:32:48,862 --> 01:32:50,727
Can you believe it?
1069
01:32:50,897 --> 01:32:53,229
The girls are separated
so they can't talk...
1070
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:57,598
...Manson's brought here in maximum
secrecy and still they found out he's here.
1071
01:32:57,771 --> 01:33:00,239
Jailhouse scuttlebutt
cuts through anything.
1072
01:33:00,407 --> 01:33:03,740
Yeah, they'd love us to think
they find out by Manson's magic.
1073
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:05,502
Wanna hear a joke?
1074
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:09,308
Del Arnold, Watson's lawyer,
is the son of Oscar Arnold.
1075
01:33:09,482 --> 01:33:13,077
Who's Oscar Arnold? He's the
campaign manager for the candidate...
1076
01:33:13,253 --> 01:33:15,687
...who's running for Attorney General
of Texas.
1077
01:33:15,855 --> 01:33:19,791
Who's the candidate?
Why, Judge Anthony Milo, that's who.
1078
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:24,124
Who's Anthony Milo? He's the judge who
hears our request to extradite Watson...
1079
01:33:24,297 --> 01:33:26,822
...so we can try him
on seven counts of murder...
1080
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,801
...and who grants delay after delay to the
client of the son of his campaign manager.
1081
01:33:32,539 --> 01:33:36,475
Although he wouldn't allow personal
considerations to get in justice's way.
1082
01:33:36,643 --> 01:33:38,543
After all,
he's a good old boy from Texas.
1083
01:33:38,712 --> 01:33:42,239
l hadn't thought of it that way.
l forgot. l got a meeting.
1084
01:33:42,415 --> 01:33:46,511
That's funny. That hasn't happened before.
My watch stopped.
1085
01:34:08,775 --> 01:34:12,506
Charles Manson, under indictment
for the seven Tate-LaBianca murders...
1086
01:34:12,679 --> 01:34:16,479
...is to be tried with codefendants
Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel...
1087
01:34:16,650 --> 01:34:18,914
...Leslie Van Houten
and Charles Tex Watson.
1088
01:34:19,285 --> 01:34:23,244
The California Penal Code provides
that if at the end of the people's case...
1089
01:34:23,423 --> 01:34:27,120
...the court feels the prosecution failed
to put enough evidence to sustain...
1090
01:34:27,293 --> 01:34:31,161
...a conviction on appeal, the judge
is empowered to acquit the defendant.
1091
01:34:31,331 --> 01:34:34,459
The consensus in the legal community
now is that Manson...
1092
01:34:34,634 --> 01:34:39,264
...who has boasted of 35 murders
will soon be a free man.
1093
01:34:43,743 --> 01:34:47,008
Four months and one week after
the slaughter of the victims...
1094
01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:50,911
...an event takes place that still
embarrasses the L.A. Police Department.
1095
01:34:51,084 --> 01:34:53,882
''Started the car
and Tex told her to get over.
1096
01:34:54,054 --> 01:34:58,047
We all got into the car and there was
nothing but just blood and exhaustion.
1097
01:34:58,224 --> 01:35:01,682
We had blood on us, so we changed
our clothes as we were driving.
1098
01:35:01,861 --> 01:35:05,627
We went for a ride to look for a place
to dump the bloody black clothes.
1099
01:35:05,799 --> 01:35:07,858
We drove along a steep embankment.
1100
01:35:08,034 --> 01:35:12,596
l got a picture in my mind and all it shows
me is the side of a mountain and a road.''
1101
01:35:12,772 --> 01:35:15,297
Then they had to turn right
off Elysium Drive.
1102
01:35:15,475 --> 01:35:18,171
There's none of that stuff
heading to Beverly Hills.
1103
01:35:18,344 --> 01:35:20,938
''We stopped, Linda got out,
l'm sure of that...
1104
01:35:21,114 --> 01:35:25,414
...and threw all the clothes drippy with
blood and knives as fast as she could...
1105
01:35:25,585 --> 01:35:30,079
...over the side of the embankment
down a ravine, l guess you'd call it.''
1106
01:35:30,256 --> 01:35:32,554
Okay, let's go.
Start changing your clothes.
1107
01:35:33,159 --> 01:35:38,153
Show this beautiful torso of mine in broad
daylight? Some chick will go over the side.
1108
01:35:48,174 --> 01:35:51,666
Look out for cops. With our luck
we'll get picked up for exposure.
1109
01:35:51,845 --> 01:35:53,369
Maybe.
1110
01:35:53,546 --> 01:35:57,038
-Just keep your eyes on the road.
-Yeah, don't worry about it.
1111
01:36:01,855 --> 01:36:05,313
-How you doing?
-Okay, getting there. Wait a minute.
1112
01:36:05,492 --> 01:36:07,858
-Beautiful pair of legs yourself.
-Yeah.
1113
01:36:08,027 --> 01:36:11,554
Hey, l can see the evening news.
Three guys from ABC picked up...
1114
01:36:11,731 --> 01:36:14,097
...for undressing in a canyon.
1115
01:36:16,669 --> 01:36:20,765
You never know. We'll take a shot at it.
Hey, two cuties at 3:00...
1116
01:36:20,940 --> 01:36:23,602
-...coming right behind us.
-You're kidding.
1117
01:36:23,777 --> 01:36:25,301
-They're coming up.
-Are they?
1118
01:36:25,478 --> 01:36:27,070
-Yeah.
-Great, baby.
1119
01:36:27,247 --> 01:36:28,908
-Terrific.
-We're getting there.
1120
01:36:30,884 --> 01:36:32,511
Here they come.
1121
01:36:34,888 --> 01:36:36,412
-Hello, girls.
-How you doing?
1122
01:36:36,589 --> 01:36:38,420
Hi, sweetie.
1123
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,551
Bye-bye.
1124
01:36:49,269 --> 01:36:51,260
-Okay, l'm done.
-You done in the back?
1125
01:36:51,437 --> 01:36:54,463
-l'm done. Yep.
-Okay. All right, finished, right? Okay.
1126
01:36:54,641 --> 01:36:57,109
lt's 6 minutes and 20 seconds.
All right.
1127
01:36:57,277 --> 01:37:01,407
The first wide shoulder l come to
in the road, l'm gonna pull over.
1128
01:37:38,785 --> 01:37:42,118
Hey, looks like clothes down there.
1129
01:37:57,837 --> 01:37:59,702
There's a whole wardrobe down here.
1130
01:38:07,146 --> 01:38:09,546
December 16, 1969.
1131
01:38:09,716 --> 01:38:12,913
Four months and one week
after the Tate-LaBianca murders.
1132
01:38:13,152 --> 01:38:14,483
Hello?
1133
01:38:14,654 --> 01:38:16,554
My name is Ben Quint.
1134
01:38:16,723 --> 01:38:21,751
l'm calling about a gun that may be the gun
that was used in the Tate murders.
1135
01:38:21,928 --> 01:38:24,123
You see, my son found--
1136
01:38:24,831 --> 01:38:29,461
Quint. Q-U-l-N-T. Quint.
1137
01:38:30,336 --> 01:38:32,861
My son found a .22 caliber revolver.
1138
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:37,066
We turned it over to
the Van Nuys Police and--
1139
01:38:38,444 --> 01:38:42,642
First of September. Labor Day. lt was
just two weeks after the Tate murders.
1140
01:38:42,815 --> 01:38:44,510
And--
1141
01:38:45,785 --> 01:38:48,276
What do you mean,
you don't keep guns that long?
1142
01:38:49,188 --> 01:38:52,885
l cannot believe that you would
throw away what might be the single...
1143
01:38:53,059 --> 01:38:57,257
...most important piece of evidence
in the Tate murders. Now, l--
1144
01:38:57,931 --> 01:39:01,833
Yeah, but this was not just any gun.
This was--
1145
01:39:04,904 --> 01:39:06,303
Hello?
1146
01:39:06,973 --> 01:39:08,600
Hello?
1147
01:39:10,677 --> 01:39:12,577
He hung up on me.
1148
01:39:13,179 --> 01:39:14,976
He what?
1149
01:39:22,789 --> 01:39:28,125
Says they haven't got time to check out
every citizen report on every gun they find.
1150
01:39:28,962 --> 01:39:32,420
No wonder nobody feels safe
anywhere in the world.
1151
01:39:32,598 --> 01:39:35,032
l'm gonna call Clete Roberts at Channel 2.
1152
01:39:35,201 --> 01:39:40,434
Maybe a newscaster has the power
to expose this kind of cynicism.
1153
01:40:18,011 --> 01:40:20,809
Take these bullets to the lab,
will you, Sam?
1154
01:40:26,052 --> 01:40:28,543
The one on the left is the test bullet.
1155
01:40:28,721 --> 01:40:32,714
The one on the right was the bullet
taken from Jay Sebring's body.
1156
01:40:32,925 --> 01:40:37,259
Now, there's no doubt that it's the same
one that was fired from the .22 Buntline.
1157
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:38,954
Let me take a look.
1158
01:40:46,572 --> 01:40:47,800
That burns me up.
1159
01:40:47,974 --> 01:40:51,774
We could've had it months ago. The
department has its share of incompetence.
1160
01:40:51,944 --> 01:40:54,174
So does the DA's office,
from what l hear.
1161
01:40:54,347 --> 01:40:58,374
Not to mention the United States Senate,
the FBl, the Department of State.
1162
01:40:58,551 --> 01:41:02,385
Hank, do me a favor, please.
Just help me hang this gun on Manson.
1163
01:41:07,393 --> 01:41:09,588
Lawyers play with people.
1164
01:41:09,762 --> 01:41:11,423
And l'm a person.
1165
01:41:11,597 --> 01:41:14,191
And l won't be played with
in this matter.
1166
01:41:14,367 --> 01:41:17,803
Even though they may know
all there is to know about the law...
1167
01:41:17,970 --> 01:41:22,373
...they don't understand
the free-love society of the generation gap.
1168
01:41:22,642 --> 01:41:27,636
And they don't understand people that are
trying to get out from underneath all of this.
1169
01:41:27,947 --> 01:41:32,714
There's not an attorney in the world
who can represent me as a person.
1170
01:41:32,885 --> 01:41:35,285
l have to do it myself.
1171
01:41:35,455 --> 01:41:37,389
Mr. Manson...
1172
01:41:37,557 --> 01:41:40,617
...l've tried my best to convince you...
1173
01:41:40,793 --> 01:41:43,819
...that the complexities in this case...
1174
01:41:43,996 --> 01:41:49,332
...require the best possible
legal minds.
1175
01:41:49,635 --> 01:41:51,899
Why don't you understand that?
1176
01:41:52,071 --> 01:41:56,906
Christmas Eve, 1969. Judge Keene, unable
to convince Manson that he is making...
1177
01:41:57,076 --> 01:42:02,309
...a ''sad and tragic mistake'' grants him
permission to serve as his own lawyer.
1178
01:42:04,217 --> 01:42:06,651
Watson's attorney told the press
he'll fight...
1179
01:42:06,819 --> 01:42:10,380
...to keep his client in Texas
if it means going to the Supreme Court.
1180
01:42:10,556 --> 01:42:13,787
Watson and Krenwinkel.
The only two that are scientifically...
1181
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,121
-...connected to the crime.
-Out of reach.
1182
01:42:16,295 --> 01:42:19,059
Temporarily. What if Manson
demands an immediate trial?
1183
01:42:19,232 --> 01:42:23,692
-He's got a right to go within 60 days.
-He'll do it if he finds out we're in trouble.
1184
01:42:23,870 --> 01:42:25,337
No question.
1185
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:27,906
Hey, Aaron...
1186
01:42:28,074 --> 01:42:29,336
...why don't we bluff?
1187
01:42:29,509 --> 01:42:32,910
lf Manson thinks we're in a hurry,
maybe he'll start stalling.
1188
01:42:33,813 --> 01:42:37,044
Worth a try. Let's do it.
You got a lot of toys for the kids?
1189
01:42:37,216 --> 01:42:40,674
-That's Gail's department.
-Merry Christmas, Scrooge.
1190
01:42:40,853 --> 01:42:43,413
Oh, thanks, Santa Claus.
Happy Hanukkah.
1191
01:42:45,258 --> 01:42:47,783
Hey, Santa Claus, it's 2:00.
1192
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:50,451
How long can you go on working
100 hours a week?
1193
01:42:51,330 --> 01:42:54,629
l just bought myself
a hell of a Christmas present. A motive.
1194
01:42:54,901 --> 01:42:57,597
The kids will be up early.
l'll finish all of this.
1195
01:42:57,770 --> 01:43:01,103
-lf you're gonna get any sleep at all--
-These are crazy crimes.
1196
01:43:01,274 --> 01:43:04,732
An ordinary motive won't do.
Robbery, revenge, none of them fit.
1197
01:43:04,911 --> 01:43:09,041
They took a few things, but left more.
Almost as if taking was an afterthought.
1198
01:43:09,215 --> 01:43:12,480
They didn't know them
and had nothing personal against them...
1199
01:43:12,652 --> 01:43:15,883
...except they were pigs,
establishment people whose crime...
1200
01:43:16,055 --> 01:43:18,956
...was working, sleeping in beds,
getting married--
1201
01:43:19,125 --> 01:43:20,387
And taking baths.
1202
01:43:21,894 --> 01:43:25,386
Susan Atkins said that Manson
was trying to ignite Helter Skelter.
1203
01:43:25,565 --> 01:43:28,898
She described it as the final war,
all the wars rolled into one.
1204
01:43:29,068 --> 01:43:32,435
An apocalyptic vision in which
the black man would take over.
1205
01:43:32,605 --> 01:43:35,574
-That's unbelievable.
-Unbelievable, right? Too far out.
1206
01:43:35,741 --> 01:43:38,175
Maybe we just better start
believing it anyhow.
1207
01:43:38,811 --> 01:43:42,907
Five and a half months after the killings,
Judge Dell sits in for Judge Keene.
1208
01:43:43,082 --> 01:43:47,178
l ought to have the same rights
and privileges as any other attorney.
1209
01:43:47,587 --> 01:43:51,614
But l wanna interview Linda Kasabian
and Sadie Mae Glutz...
1210
01:43:51,791 --> 01:43:54,555
...and their attorneys
say that l can't.
1211
01:43:54,727 --> 01:43:56,854
They have a right to do that,
Mr. Manson.
1212
01:43:57,096 --> 01:43:59,564
Well, l got a message from Sadie.
1213
01:43:59,732 --> 01:44:03,668
And she told me the district attorney
made her say what she said.
1214
01:44:04,203 --> 01:44:06,763
That's too nonsensical
to respond to, Your Honor.
1215
01:44:06,939 --> 01:44:11,376
Your Honor, the people are prepared
to go to trial at the earliest possible date.
1216
01:44:14,847 --> 01:44:17,509
l'm not ready, Your Honor.
l need more time.
1217
01:44:23,389 --> 01:44:25,857
Continuance granted to February 9th.
1218
01:44:37,003 --> 01:44:40,495
That's one way to get a message to Sadie.
Tell the press we coerced her.
1219
01:44:40,673 --> 01:44:44,803
lt's the next best thing to picking up
the phone and telling her how to recant.
1220
01:44:45,278 --> 01:44:47,007
Hi, guy.
1221
01:44:52,551 --> 01:44:56,282
The exact measurements
of the LaBianca knife wounds. Okay.
1222
01:44:56,455 --> 01:44:57,717
But why?
1223
01:44:57,890 --> 01:45:01,986
l need to prove that some wounds were
made by knives other than the kitchen's.
1224
01:45:02,295 --> 01:45:03,956
l don't get it.
1225
01:45:04,497 --> 01:45:07,193
lf the wounds were made by the
LaBianca's knives...
1226
01:45:07,366 --> 01:45:11,359
...the logical inference would be
that they entered the residence unarmed...
1227
01:45:11,537 --> 01:45:14,472
...then killed the LaBianca's
with their kitchen knives.
1228
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,835
Defense counsel could raise
a good point.
1229
01:45:17,009 --> 01:45:20,638
lf Manson sent them to kill,
why would he send them unarmed?
1230
01:45:21,347 --> 01:45:24,578
Oh, right. Good thinking, Vince.
1231
01:45:27,887 --> 01:45:30,913
-Hi, Manny.
-Hey, Vince. l just got word that--
1232
01:45:31,090 --> 01:45:33,081
This album's
got all the words on it.
1233
01:45:33,259 --> 01:45:36,626
Yeah, l know. All the stuff
that they wrote on the walls.
1234
01:45:38,464 --> 01:45:39,761
You knew about that?
1235
01:45:39,932 --> 01:45:43,424
Well, sure. l talked to Art and Mark
about it only a week or so...
1236
01:45:43,602 --> 01:45:45,934
-...after Tate was killed.
-Give me strength.
1237
01:45:46,105 --> 01:45:48,972
l even put it in the report,
but it seemed so, you know....
1238
01:45:49,141 --> 01:45:51,405
-Weird. Too far out.
-Yeah. Crazy.
1239
01:45:51,577 --> 01:45:53,101
-Unbelievable.
-You said it.
1240
01:45:53,279 --> 01:45:57,716
No, unbelievable how in a crime like this,
everyone looks for conventional clues...
1241
01:45:57,883 --> 01:46:00,545
-...instead of crazy ones.
-l got good news for you.
1242
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,518
Lieutenant got word
they're gonna turn Watson over.
1243
01:46:03,689 --> 01:46:05,418
-lt's about time.
-How about that?
1244
01:46:05,591 --> 01:46:09,425
The Texas Secretary of State
just signed the extradition order.
1245
01:46:09,595 --> 01:46:13,122
Listen, you're not gonna try
and make a motive out of this...
1246
01:46:13,299 --> 01:46:16,894
...Helter Skelter stuff are you?
Nobody will buy it.
1247
01:46:17,069 --> 01:46:18,696
Unbelievable?
1248
01:46:18,871 --> 01:46:21,101
Manny, do you ever light those things?
1249
01:46:21,273 --> 01:46:23,070
Nope.
1250
01:46:23,309 --> 01:46:25,140
Unbelievable.
1251
01:46:29,749 --> 01:46:33,185
You're arraigned on seven counts
of murder...
1252
01:46:33,352 --> 01:46:37,220
...and one count of conspiracy
to murder.
1253
01:46:37,390 --> 01:46:40,325
Five months after the killings,
Kasabian is arraigned...
1254
01:46:40,493 --> 01:46:43,860
...on seven counts of murder and one
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1255
01:46:44,029 --> 01:46:45,997
Keene accepts her plea of not guilty.
1256
01:46:46,165 --> 01:46:49,191
At the same time in McKinney, Texas,
Judge Anthony Milo...
1257
01:46:49,368 --> 01:46:51,962
...vacates the extradition order
on Charles Watson...
1258
01:46:52,138 --> 01:46:54,800
...and grants
another 30-day continuance.
1259
01:46:55,574 --> 01:46:59,772
Hey! Come on, girls, get it on!
Free Charlie!
1260
01:46:59,945 --> 01:47:01,776
Charlie!
1261
01:47:09,688 --> 01:47:12,953
Right. Okay, thanks, guy. Yeah.
1262
01:47:13,559 --> 01:47:15,151
Vince.
1263
01:47:15,327 --> 01:47:17,761
Vince, l got some good news
and some bad news.
1264
01:47:18,631 --> 01:47:20,599
Why don't you keep the bad news?
1265
01:47:20,766 --> 01:47:24,566
George Brewer wants to make an immunity
deal for Linda Kasabian.
1266
01:47:25,504 --> 01:47:28,632
Oh, l'd much rather have her than Susan.
1267
01:47:29,241 --> 01:47:31,641
But we're already legally committed
to Susan.
1268
01:47:31,811 --> 01:47:34,109
lt's bad enough
we had to give her anything.
1269
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:37,477
l don't believe this.
Krenwinkel in Alabama, Watson in Texas.
1270
01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:40,483
We may not get them back here
in time for the trial.
1271
01:47:40,820 --> 01:47:44,085
Van Houten, she wasn't along
on the night of the Tate murders.
1272
01:47:44,356 --> 01:47:48,383
No way, we make deals with Atkins and
Kasabian, who do we prosecute on Tate?
1273
01:47:48,561 --> 01:47:51,587
Just Charlie?
And his is the weakest case we've got.
1274
01:47:51,764 --> 01:47:56,030
People won't stand for it. ln Bel Air,
the fear's so real you could feel it.
1275
01:47:56,202 --> 01:47:58,636
Relax, will you? Relax.
l said he offered her.
1276
01:47:58,804 --> 01:48:00,863
We may be glad to have her one day.
1277
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:02,837
Take a look at some of those ones.
1278
01:48:03,008 --> 01:48:07,172
Copies of things Lisa, Cindy and Gypsy
have been sending to Susan and Linda.
1279
01:48:07,379 --> 01:48:12,282
''Always think of the now.
No time to look back, no time to say how.''
1280
01:48:12,451 --> 01:48:15,318
ln other words, don't say anything.
On Manson's orders.
1281
01:48:15,488 --> 01:48:18,787
He wants them to drop lawyers
so they'll have a united defense.
1282
01:48:18,958 --> 01:48:21,586
Susan's gonna repudiate
her grand-jury testimony.
1283
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,753
And refuse to take the stand. A blanket
defense that fails to convict Manson...
1284
01:48:25,931 --> 01:48:29,264
...sets them free.
lf l have time, l can make a case.
1285
01:48:29,435 --> 01:48:31,596
You don't have time!
1286
01:48:35,741 --> 01:48:37,572
Where's the missing link?
1287
01:48:37,743 --> 01:48:39,540
The motive.
1288
01:48:39,879 --> 01:48:41,847
The personal motive.
1289
01:48:42,948 --> 01:48:45,416
You're gonna get up there
in front of that jury...
1290
01:48:45,584 --> 01:48:48,781
...and try to convince them
that Manson wanted to start a war...
1291
01:48:48,954 --> 01:48:52,082
...between blacks and whites,
so the blacks could take over.
1292
01:48:52,258 --> 01:48:54,453
-Right.
-Charlie Manson, who hates blacks?
1293
01:48:54,627 --> 01:48:56,151
Vince, they'll lock you up.
1294
01:48:56,328 --> 01:48:59,388
DeCarlo and others told me
that was the way Manson thought.
1295
01:48:59,565 --> 01:49:03,501
l interviewed Death Valley miners.
He preached the same philosophy to them.
1296
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:06,900
Like Hitler. Remember those magazines
l found at Barker Ranch?
1297
01:49:07,072 --> 01:49:09,597
-The ones with articles on Hitler?
-Yes.
1298
01:49:09,775 --> 01:49:14,303
l asked a miner if Manson ever said
anything about Hitler, and he said yeah.
1299
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:19,713
Manson said Hitler was a tuned-in guy
who wanted to level the karma of the Jews.
1300
01:49:21,353 --> 01:49:23,287
That's the kind of stuff he said.
1301
01:49:23,455 --> 01:49:26,253
l'm gonna find out enough
to convince you and a jury--
1302
01:49:26,425 --> 01:49:29,622
Vince. Vince, l'm on your side,
remember?
1303
01:49:32,898 --> 01:49:36,265
-Hey, l'm sorry.
-lt's frustrating.
1304
01:49:36,869 --> 01:49:38,131
Yeah.
1305
01:49:38,304 --> 01:49:42,297
That creep. Bodies all over the place.
Who knows how many? lf he walks...
1306
01:49:42,474 --> 01:49:45,272
-...and they get on the street--
-l know what you mean.
1307
01:49:47,846 --> 01:49:51,907
l know you do, Aaron, l know.
lt's just l gotta bitch to somebody.
1308
01:50:00,225 --> 01:50:02,193
Besides Gail.
1309
01:50:04,363 --> 01:50:06,160
Are you kidding?
1310
01:50:06,332 --> 01:50:08,698
Yeah, besides Gail.
1311
01:50:09,101 --> 01:50:11,797
-She's getting used to it.
-Oh?
1312
01:50:13,339 --> 01:50:15,204
l don't believe me.
1313
01:50:15,374 --> 01:50:18,104
l've got an interview,
and l'm sitting here with you.
1314
01:50:20,279 --> 01:50:21,576
Good luck.
1315
01:50:21,747 --> 01:50:23,544
Oh, let me show you this.
1316
01:50:23,716 --> 01:50:25,684
The new secret weapon.
1317
01:50:26,318 --> 01:50:28,013
The Bible?
1318
01:50:28,187 --> 01:50:31,350
lf all else fails, pray, right?
1319
01:50:38,195 --> 01:50:42,154
Paul, l understand you were sort of
Manson's right-hand man at one time.
1320
01:50:42,333 --> 01:50:43,595
What exactly did you do?
1321
01:50:43,768 --> 01:50:47,602
Well, one of the things l did
was l got girls for him.
1322
01:50:47,772 --> 01:50:51,367
-You got girls?
-Charlie'd say, ''l need some new love.''
1323
01:50:51,542 --> 01:50:56,980
He used to call the girls young loves.
So l'd go out and get him one or two.
1324
01:50:57,915 --> 01:51:01,442
Do you mind if l turn this on, Paul?
l wanna just record this.
1325
01:51:05,256 --> 01:51:08,089
Testing, testing, one, two, three.
Testing.
1326
01:51:08,259 --> 01:51:09,658
-Go ahead.
-Testing.
1327
01:51:09,827 --> 01:51:13,263
1.98 marked down
from a dollar and a half.
1328
01:51:18,235 --> 01:51:21,500
-Testing, testing.
- 1.98 marked--
1329
01:51:26,377 --> 01:51:27,742
Okay.
1330
01:51:27,912 --> 01:51:30,403
Now, l want to go into
a lot of things with you.
1331
01:51:30,581 --> 01:51:35,746
-The orgies Manson supposedly organized.
-Did organize. Did organize.
1332
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:37,785
His domination of the Family.
1333
01:51:37,955 --> 01:51:42,585
His attitude toward death, fear,
the Beatles, the Bible.
1334
01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:45,387
How did he do it?
Did he use fear?
1335
01:51:45,563 --> 01:51:47,622
Well, sure. That was a big part of it.
1336
01:51:47,798 --> 01:51:51,199
Charlie was always saying
that fear was beautiful.
1337
01:51:51,368 --> 01:51:54,030
l must have heard him
tell the Family 50 times...
1338
01:51:54,205 --> 01:51:56,901
...they ought to live
in a constant state of fear.
1339
01:51:57,074 --> 01:51:58,473
Yeah, but why?
1340
01:51:58,642 --> 01:52:02,009
Well, to Charlie, fear was
the same thing as awareness.
1341
01:52:02,179 --> 01:52:05,410
The more fear you had,
the more awareness you had.
1342
01:52:05,683 --> 01:52:08,015
The more awareness, the more love.
1343
01:52:08,185 --> 01:52:12,246
You know what it's like? lt's like
when you're really all scared out.
1344
01:52:12,423 --> 01:52:14,983
You know, and you come to now.
1345
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:20,791
Well, when you're at now,
you're totally conscious.
1346
01:52:21,165 --> 01:52:23,656
So he wanted people to be afraid,
is that it?
1347
01:52:23,834 --> 01:52:25,324
The more fear the better.
1348
01:52:25,503 --> 01:52:30,907
Charlie said that death was beautiful
because people fear death.
1349
01:52:31,475 --> 01:52:34,740
Fear really turns Charlie on.
1350
01:52:37,181 --> 01:52:40,947
Paul, you seem like an independent
sort of guy, not just a follower.
1351
01:52:41,118 --> 01:52:43,985
And yet you stayed with the Family
for a long time.
1352
01:52:44,155 --> 01:52:47,249
Was it just the girls
or was there some other reason?
1353
01:52:47,424 --> 01:52:50,325
l thought Charlie was Christ.
1354
01:53:00,938 --> 01:53:05,739
Vince, don't like to interrupt you, but you
looked like you could use some good news.
1355
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:08,811
Krenwinkel gave up her fight
against extradition.
1356
01:53:08,979 --> 01:53:11,140
That's right.
She'll be out here tomorrow.
1357
01:53:11,615 --> 01:53:15,676
-Looks like our luck is changing.
-Hey, man, karma. Karma.
1358
01:53:15,853 --> 01:53:18,617
Right, right, karma. Right.
1359
01:53:19,156 --> 01:53:23,957
Now, Paul, while my luck is running,
l wanna get to the subject of motive, okay?
1360
01:53:24,128 --> 01:53:26,596
l talked to Greg Jakobson
and Brooks Poston...
1361
01:53:26,764 --> 01:53:29,631
...and they told me Charlie
was always sounding off...
1362
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,064
...about the ninth chapter
of Revelations.
1363
01:53:32,236 --> 01:53:34,363
Oh, yeah, the Beatles laid that on him.
1364
01:53:34,538 --> 01:53:38,167
You know, that White Album of theirs.
Man, that blew Charlie's mind.
1365
01:53:38,342 --> 01:53:41,072
He said it was beautiful.
1366
01:53:41,412 --> 01:53:46,042
Charlie said that the Beatles were sending
him messages through their music.
1367
01:53:46,217 --> 01:53:48,378
You know, like that song
''Revolution 9.''
1368
01:53:48,552 --> 01:53:52,215
Charlie dug it the most, man.
He said it was beautiful.
1369
01:53:52,823 --> 01:53:56,816
l mean, Charlie was hip right away
they were referring to Revelation 9.
1370
01:53:56,994 --> 01:54:01,090
l heard you knew about that, Paul,
so l came prepared.
1371
01:54:04,501 --> 01:54:08,232
''The shapes of the locusts were like
unto horses prepared unto battle.''
1372
01:54:08,405 --> 01:54:10,771
Right. Dune buggies.
1373
01:54:13,077 --> 01:54:17,207
''And on their heads were as it were
crowns like gold...
1374
01:54:17,381 --> 01:54:21,317
...and their faces were
as the faces of men.''
1375
01:54:21,485 --> 01:54:24,750
Bright lights.
Bright lights, you know.
1376
01:54:24,922 --> 01:54:29,325
''And they had hair as the hair of women,
and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.''
1377
01:54:29,493 --> 01:54:32,155
The Beatles' long hair.
1378
01:54:32,897 --> 01:54:36,663
''And they had breastplates, as it were.
Breastplates of iron.
1379
01:54:36,834 --> 01:54:39,701
-And--''
-Electric guitars.
1380
01:54:40,437 --> 01:54:43,406
''The sound of their wings
was as the sound of chariots...
1381
01:54:43,574 --> 01:54:46,372
-...of many horses running to battle.''
-Oh, yeah.
1382
01:54:46,543 --> 01:54:51,480
Well, see, that's their music, you know,
the rhythm and the volume of it.
1383
01:54:52,683 --> 01:54:57,780
''And they had tails like unto scorpions
and there were stings in their tails.''
1384
01:54:57,955 --> 01:55:00,549
The wires leading
to their electrical instruments.
1385
01:55:00,724 --> 01:55:04,592
Charlie had this thing come to him once,
and he says....
1386
01:55:05,029 --> 01:55:08,590
l don't remember all of it.
May l see that?
1387
01:55:09,466 --> 01:55:12,958
Yeah, down here.
See it right here where it says:
1388
01:55:13,137 --> 01:55:17,767
''And the four angels were loosed.''
That's the four Beatles.
1389
01:55:17,942 --> 01:55:22,072
''And the number of horsemen
were two hundred thousand thousand.''
1390
01:55:22,246 --> 01:55:25,943
That's the motorcycle gangs roaming
the Earth spreading destruction...
1391
01:55:26,116 --> 01:55:27,378
...according to Charlie.
1392
01:55:27,551 --> 01:55:32,250
And look here. Right here again
where it says ''breastplates of fire.''
1393
01:55:32,423 --> 01:55:34,618
Electric guitars.
1394
01:55:35,626 --> 01:55:39,153
l wanna ask you specifically
about that Verse 15 quote.
1395
01:55:39,596 --> 01:55:42,724
''The four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour...
1396
01:55:42,900 --> 01:55:46,392
...and a day and a month and a year
to slay the third part of men.''
1397
01:55:47,271 --> 01:55:51,605
Oh, Charlie said those were the people
who would die in Helter Skelter.
1398
01:55:51,775 --> 01:55:56,041
One third of mankind,
the white race.
1399
01:55:56,547 --> 01:55:58,447
Doesn't that include the Family?
1400
01:55:58,615 --> 01:56:01,948
No! No way, man.
That's where the fifth angel comes in.
1401
01:56:02,586 --> 01:56:05,987
lsn't that the fifth Beatle,
the one who was killed in 1962...
1402
01:56:06,156 --> 01:56:09,990
-...before they took the name Beatles?
-Let me see this here.
1403
01:56:10,327 --> 01:56:11,555
Here. Right here.
1404
01:56:11,729 --> 01:56:16,826
''And the fifth angel sounded, and l saw
a star fall from heaven unto the Earth.
1405
01:56:17,001 --> 01:56:20,232
And to him was given the key
to the bottomless pit.''
1406
01:56:21,205 --> 01:56:25,505
Hey, Mr. Bugliosi, it's no secret
in the Family who the fifth angel is.
1407
01:56:25,676 --> 01:56:29,043
The ruler of the bottomless pit.
lt's Charlie.
1408
01:56:29,213 --> 01:56:32,273
So being in the bottomless pit,
he'd survive.
1409
01:56:34,084 --> 01:56:37,315
Here. Now here's Verse 11.
1410
01:56:37,955 --> 01:56:39,855
Where is it?
1411
01:56:41,058 --> 01:56:42,548
Here's Verse 11.
1412
01:56:42,726 --> 01:56:47,288
''And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit...
1413
01:56:47,464 --> 01:56:51,264
...whose name in the Hebrew tongue
is Abaddon.''
1414
01:56:52,836 --> 01:56:56,863
You see, Mr. Bugliosi, you got
the King James Version here.
1415
01:56:57,041 --> 01:56:59,066
Charlie had the Catholic version.
1416
01:56:59,243 --> 01:57:03,339
And in that version, the angel of the
bottomless pit also had a Latin name.
1417
01:57:03,981 --> 01:57:07,644
-Do you remember what it was?
-Sure. Exterminans.
1418
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,613
Exterminans.
1419
01:57:12,022 --> 01:57:14,354
Charles Manson.
1420
01:57:14,525 --> 01:57:16,015
-lt fits.
-Yeah, right.
1421
01:57:16,193 --> 01:57:21,130
The way Charlie had it figured out was that
the Beatles were sending him messages.
1422
01:57:21,298 --> 01:57:23,596
You know, that this was
all coming down now.
1423
01:57:23,767 --> 01:57:27,999
Not next year or sometime
in the future, but right now.
1424
01:57:28,172 --> 01:57:30,436
He'd play that song over and over again...
1425
01:57:30,607 --> 01:57:33,167
...listen to every sound real close.
1426
01:57:33,343 --> 01:57:36,506
He said it was a message
just for the tuned-in people.
1427
01:57:37,514 --> 01:57:38,674
That the Beatles
favored the revolution.
1428
01:57:39,116 --> 01:57:41,641
But how was this revolution
supposed to come about?
1429
01:57:41,819 --> 01:57:45,414
Well, according to Charlie...
1430
01:57:46,190 --> 01:57:49,921
...blackie would rise up and start
committing super atrocious crimes...
1431
01:57:50,094 --> 01:57:52,119
...against whitey.
1432
01:57:52,296 --> 01:57:54,059
And this would start a race war.
1433
01:57:54,231 --> 01:57:56,563
Whitey and blackie would fight each other.
1434
01:57:56,733 --> 01:58:00,430
Hippie liberals and uptight conservatives
would fight each other.
1435
01:58:00,604 --> 01:58:04,165
The Uncle Toms would fight the Panthers,
and it'd be Helter Skelter.
1436
01:58:04,341 --> 01:58:08,368
War of all wars. Then when
just about everybody was killed off...
1437
01:58:08,545 --> 01:58:12,538
...then the black militants would come out
of hiding and wipe them all out.
1438
01:58:12,716 --> 01:58:15,310
-All except for Charlie and the Family.
-Right on.
1439
01:58:15,486 --> 01:58:17,454
They'd be in the pit in Death Valley.
1440
01:58:17,621 --> 01:58:20,590
And this is the way it would go down
from then on.
1441
01:58:20,757 --> 01:58:23,692
Well, now the karma's turned, right?
Blackie's on top.
1442
01:58:23,861 --> 01:58:26,728
Well, now, blackie's gotta clean up
the mess.
1443
01:58:26,897 --> 01:58:30,594
Just like he's always done,
clean up the mess the white man made.
1444
01:58:30,767 --> 01:58:33,895
Try to build that world back up
a little bit.
1445
01:58:34,071 --> 01:58:38,405
But he wouldn't know what to do with it.
He wouldn't be able to handle it.
1446
01:58:38,575 --> 01:58:41,635
To Charlie, the only thing the black man
knows how to do...
1447
01:58:41,812 --> 01:58:43,336
...is what whitey told him.
1448
01:58:43,514 --> 01:58:46,881
He wouldn't be able to run the world
without whitey showing him.
1449
01:58:47,451 --> 01:58:51,319
-And that's where Charlie comes in.
-Right, so they'd come to Charlie.
1450
01:58:51,488 --> 01:58:54,980
Now the Family's grown to 144,000.
1451
01:58:55,159 --> 01:58:58,390
That's in the Bible too.
Let me see here.
1452
01:58:59,296 --> 01:59:00,991
Yeah. Right here.
1453
01:59:01,165 --> 01:59:03,793
''And l heard a number of them
which were sealed...
1454
01:59:03,967 --> 01:59:08,404
...and there were sealed 144,000.''
1455
01:59:08,572 --> 01:59:12,975
Yeah, so they come to Charlie
and there's 144,000 people.
1456
01:59:13,143 --> 01:59:15,236
A pure white master race.
1457
01:59:15,412 --> 01:59:18,609
And they say, ''Massa, you gotta run it.''
1458
01:59:18,782 --> 01:59:21,910
Charlie says, ''Hell, l'll scratch
blackie's fuzzy head...
1459
01:59:22,085 --> 01:59:26,021
...kick him in the butt and go tell him
to pick cotton like a good nigger.''
1460
01:59:26,190 --> 01:59:29,682
Then the Family will emerge
from the bottomless pit...
1461
01:59:29,860 --> 01:59:35,059
...and Charlie will be king of the world,
and we'll all live happily ever after.
1462
01:59:35,232 --> 01:59:37,928
All that's left is the Family
and black servants?
1463
01:59:38,302 --> 01:59:40,668
According to the gospel of Charlie.
1464
01:59:40,837 --> 01:59:45,171
-King Charlie, the fifth angel Exterminans.
-Yeah.
1465
01:59:45,342 --> 01:59:48,038
-But he got tired of waiting.
-For Helter Skelter?
1466
01:59:48,212 --> 01:59:51,238
Right. You know, he said,
''Well, blackie's got no smart.
1467
01:59:51,415 --> 01:59:54,646
Blackie just didn't know
how to bring it on all down.''
1468
01:59:55,052 --> 01:59:59,455
He said, ''l'm gonna have to show him
how to do it.''
1469
02:00:00,557 --> 02:00:03,117
Charlie's gonna have to show him
how to do it.
1470
02:00:05,596 --> 02:00:08,429
Do you remember exactly
when he told you that, Paul?
1471
02:00:08,599 --> 02:00:12,763
Oh, l don't know. Last May--
No, early June of last year.
1472
02:00:12,936 --> 02:00:16,372
Yeah, he comes to me. He comes to me,
and he takes me down by...
1473
02:00:16,540 --> 02:00:19,100
...the old trailers down at Spahn's Ranch.
1474
02:00:19,276 --> 02:00:24,270
And he's real frustrated, you know, like,
really uptight about something. He says:
1475
02:00:24,448 --> 02:00:29,442
''The only thing the black man knows how
to do is what whitey taught him to do.''
1476
02:00:29,620 --> 02:00:31,554
He was always saying that.
1477
02:00:31,722 --> 02:00:35,658
And he said, ''l'm gonna have to show him
how to do it.''
1478
02:00:35,826 --> 02:00:38,158
''l'm going to have to show him
how to do it.''
1479
02:00:38,328 --> 02:00:41,957
Yeah, man, l've got some weird pictures
from that, you know.
1480
02:00:42,733 --> 02:00:43,961
King of the world.
1481
02:00:44,134 --> 02:00:48,503
Hey, man, l split. l didn't want any part
of whatever he was talking about.
1482
02:00:48,672 --> 02:00:52,403
l mean, l was hanging out there
because l thought Charlie was Christ.
1483
02:00:52,576 --> 02:00:57,309
Then all this stuff with Exterminian vibes.
l flashed on heavy weather ahead.
1484
02:00:58,482 --> 02:01:03,146
We never did anything out at the ranch
before Charlie got on this Beatle thing...
1485
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,313
...but sit out there and smoke grass,
trip out and orgy.
1486
02:01:07,491 --> 02:01:09,982
Charlie was always thinking about orgies.
1487
02:01:10,394 --> 02:01:13,261
Directing orgies, organizing orgies.
1488
02:01:13,597 --> 02:01:17,624
He'd pass around the acid, and he'd start
dancing around, dancing around.
1489
02:01:17,801 --> 02:01:21,498
Everybody would get up
and start following him, like a train.
1490
02:01:21,672 --> 02:01:24,300
Charlie, he'd take off his clothes...
1491
02:01:24,474 --> 02:01:28,137
...then everybody would
start taking off their clothes.
1492
02:01:31,315 --> 02:01:33,442
The missing motive.
1493
02:01:35,919 --> 02:01:37,887
Personal power.
1494
02:01:38,155 --> 02:01:40,316
King of the world, huh?
1495
02:01:40,524 --> 02:01:44,961
You know, l think the madness is catching.
You've made a believer out of me.
1496
02:01:45,329 --> 02:01:48,992
Now, all you gotta do is make a believer
out of a judge and 12 jurors.
1497
02:01:58,542 --> 02:01:59,941
Yeah.
1498
02:02:05,482 --> 02:02:06,881
Thanks.
1499
02:02:23,934 --> 02:02:28,530
Susan Atkins has announced that she
denies everything she told the grand jury.
1500
02:02:28,705 --> 02:02:32,072
She will not testify at the trial
under any circumstances...
1501
02:02:32,776 --> 02:02:35,745
...and she's demanding to see Charlie.
1502
02:02:43,053 --> 02:02:46,511
Do we make the phone call now
or wait 30 seconds?
1503
02:02:48,358 --> 02:02:50,189
To offer Linda Kasabian a deal?
1504
02:02:54,030 --> 02:02:56,999
Why not wait 30 seconds?
We don't wanna seem too anxious.
1505
02:03:03,206 --> 02:03:05,436
Six and a half months after the murders...
1506
02:03:05,609 --> 02:03:10,876
...Linda Kasabian agrees to testify at
all trial proceedings against all defendants.
1507
02:03:11,047 --> 02:03:14,539
In return, the Los Angeles
District Attorney's Office agrees...
1508
02:03:14,718 --> 02:03:17,949
...after testimony is given,
to petition the superior court...
1509
02:03:18,121 --> 02:03:20,851
...to grant her immunity from prosecution.
1510
02:03:22,292 --> 02:03:23,657
Hello, Linda.
1511
02:03:24,628 --> 02:03:26,892
Mr. Brewer's made
an excellent deal for you.
1512
02:03:27,063 --> 02:03:30,590
l know. l didn't wanna wait for a deal,
but he made me.
1513
02:03:30,767 --> 02:03:32,098
l'd have talked anyway.
1514
02:03:34,137 --> 02:03:38,130
-You would've?
-l wanna get it out of my head.
1515
02:03:38,542 --> 02:03:40,806
l don't wanna carry it around anymore.
1516
02:03:42,379 --> 02:03:44,973
Manson argues a motion,
the burden of which is...
1517
02:03:45,148 --> 02:03:47,844
...that deputy district attorneys
prosecuting him...
1518
02:03:48,018 --> 02:03:53,149
...be incarcerated for a period of time
under the same circumstances Manson was.
1519
02:03:53,323 --> 02:03:57,521
Judge Keene's response is to the effect
that it has become abundantly clear...
1520
02:03:57,694 --> 02:04:00,561
...Manson is incapable of acting
as his own attorney.
1521
02:04:01,164 --> 02:04:03,598
There is no God in this courtroom.
1522
02:04:03,767 --> 02:04:07,100
-You're a mockery of justice!
-You old fool!
1523
02:04:10,106 --> 02:04:11,630
Get those people out of here.
1524
02:04:15,979 --> 02:04:18,072
You're a joke!
You're a joke!
1525
02:04:32,162 --> 02:04:36,258
Linda Kasabian gives birth to a son.
She names the child Angel.
1526
02:04:39,169 --> 02:04:42,661
Important witness Paul Watkins
is pulled from his burning camper...
1527
02:04:42,839 --> 02:04:46,570
...with second degree burns over
25 percent of his face, arms and back.
1528
02:04:46,743 --> 02:04:49,303
The fire is of undetermined origin.
1529
02:04:55,619 --> 02:04:59,111
Manson files an affidavit of prejudice
against Judge William Keene.
1530
02:04:59,289 --> 02:05:02,588
Judge Keene accepts Manson's challenge,
disqualifies himself...
1531
02:05:02,759 --> 02:05:06,251
...and the case is assigned
to Judge Charles H. Older.
1532
02:05:14,604 --> 02:05:18,165
lf Mr. Manson insists on having
Mr. Scoville as his attorney...
1533
02:05:18,341 --> 02:05:20,309
...l must grant the request.
1534
02:05:22,812 --> 02:05:27,806
lf Your Honor please, l believe Mr. Scoville
is a very sincere and conscientious man.
1535
02:05:28,318 --> 02:05:32,311
But it is well known that his cases
become unduly long and complicated.
1536
02:05:32,923 --> 02:05:36,222
And even with lawyers known
to handle matters expeditiously...
1537
02:05:36,393 --> 02:05:38,486
...this trial could last four months.
1538
02:05:38,962 --> 02:05:41,556
Then let me represent me.
1539
02:05:43,700 --> 02:05:46,794
lt would be a miscarriage of justice
to allow you that...
1540
02:05:46,970 --> 02:05:49,666
...in a case having the complications
of this case.
1541
02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:53,070
Have you affirmed Mr. Scoville
as your attorney?
1542
02:05:53,243 --> 02:05:55,973
l'm forced into a situation.
1543
02:05:57,914 --> 02:06:01,543
My second alternative is to cause you
as much trouble as possible.
1544
02:06:03,753 --> 02:06:06,688
July 24, 1970,
almost one year after the killings.
1545
02:06:16,533 --> 02:06:18,398
Come on, lady!
1546
02:06:23,506 --> 02:06:26,873
Did you read it? Did you hear
what Charlie's saying to you?
1547
02:06:27,043 --> 02:06:28,442
Statement by Manson.
1548
02:06:28,612 --> 02:06:31,410
''l've X'd myself out of the world.''
l'll read it later.
1549
02:06:31,581 --> 02:06:34,607
Yeah. l see that Kitty Lassiter
is back with the Family.
1550
02:06:34,784 --> 02:06:38,618
Bobby Beausoleil's in the death house,
this is probably all she has left.
1551
02:06:38,788 --> 02:06:42,121
l thought about the problem of
having these people in the court.
1552
02:06:42,292 --> 02:06:44,692
Yeah. They'll conduct
continuous harassment.
1553
02:06:44,861 --> 02:06:48,194
-No, they're not. They won't be there.
-How's that gonna happen?
1554
02:06:48,365 --> 02:06:52,028
Prospective witnesses can't be in court
while other witnesses testify.
1555
02:06:52,202 --> 02:06:54,727
So we're gonna subpoena
all known Family members.
1556
02:06:54,904 --> 02:06:57,202
-Very good. Beautiful.
-So they're excluded.
1557
02:06:57,374 --> 02:07:00,275
That limits the obstruction
to the four defendants.
1558
02:07:14,357 --> 02:07:16,086
Oh, my God.
1559
02:07:16,893 --> 02:07:18,121
I love you.
1560
02:07:30,674 --> 02:07:32,437
All rise.
1561
02:07:33,243 --> 02:07:35,143
Department 104 is now in session.
1562
02:07:35,311 --> 02:07:39,304
The Honorable Judge
Charles H. Older presiding.
1563
02:07:41,751 --> 02:07:43,548
Be seated, please.
1564
02:07:46,056 --> 02:07:48,524
Mr. Bugliosi, do you have
an opening statement?
1565
02:07:48,692 --> 02:07:50,455
Yes, Your Honor.
1566
02:07:57,801 --> 02:08:00,998
Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring...
1567
02:08:01,171 --> 02:08:04,436
...Abigail Ann Folger, Voytek Frykowski...
1568
02:08:04,607 --> 02:08:05,938
...Steven Earl Parent...
1569
02:08:06,342 --> 02:08:10,301
...Leno A. LaBianca, Rosemary LaBianca.
1570
02:08:10,814 --> 02:08:12,611
What kind of a diabolical mind...
1571
02:08:12,782 --> 02:08:16,479
...would contemplate or conceive
these seven murders?
1572
02:08:16,786 --> 02:08:19,846
We expect evidence at this trial
to answer that question...
1573
02:08:20,023 --> 02:08:25,154
...and show that defendant Charles Manson
owned that diabolical mind.
1574
02:08:25,428 --> 02:08:30,695
Charles Manson, who the evidence will
show, had the infinite humility, as it were...
1575
02:08:30,867 --> 02:08:34,200
...to refer to himself as Jesus Christ.
1576
02:08:34,971 --> 02:08:38,372
The evidence will show Charles Manson
to be a megalomaniac...
1577
02:08:38,541 --> 02:08:43,808
...who coupled his insatiable thirst for
power with an obsession for violent death.
1578
02:08:44,614 --> 02:08:49,278
The evidence will show Charles Manson to
be the unquestioned leader and overlord...
1579
02:08:49,452 --> 02:08:53,582
...of a nomadic band of vagabonds
who call themselves ''The Family.''
1580
02:08:55,024 --> 02:08:59,222
We anticipate in Mr. Manson's defense,
he'll claim neither he nor anyone else...
1581
02:08:59,395 --> 02:09:03,627
...was the leader of the Family and that
he didn't order anyone to do anything...
1582
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:05,597
...much less commit these murders.
1583
02:09:05,769 --> 02:09:07,930
He's making our opening statement for us!
1584
02:09:08,271 --> 02:09:11,399
Overruled. You may continue, Mr. Bugliosi.
1585
02:09:12,108 --> 02:09:13,871
Thank you, Your Honor.
1586
02:09:15,311 --> 02:09:18,803
We therefore intend to show
that Charles Manson was, in fact...
1587
02:09:18,982 --> 02:09:20,916
...the dictatorial Family leader...
1588
02:09:21,217 --> 02:09:24,186
...and that everyone in the Family
was obedient to him...
1589
02:09:24,354 --> 02:09:29,519
...and eventually they committed the seven
Tate-LaBianca murders at his command.
1590
02:09:29,759 --> 02:09:34,822
Now, what about Charles Manson's
followers, the other defendants in this trial?
1591
02:09:34,998 --> 02:09:39,799
Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel,
Leslie Van Houten.
1592
02:09:39,969 --> 02:09:43,268
The evidence will show they,
along with Charles Tex Watson...
1593
02:09:43,439 --> 02:09:46,966
...were the actual killers of the seven
Tate-LaBianca victims.
1594
02:09:47,577 --> 02:09:51,673
The evidence will show they were willing
participants in these mass murders...
1595
02:09:51,848 --> 02:09:54,817
...and that by their overkill tactics....
1596
02:09:54,984 --> 02:10:00,581
For instance, Rosemary LaBianca
was stabbed 41 times.
1597
02:10:00,757 --> 02:10:04,454
Voytek Frykowski was stabbed 51 times...
1598
02:10:04,961 --> 02:10:08,260
...shot twice and struck violently
over the head...
1599
02:10:08,431 --> 02:10:11,730
...13 times with the butt of a revolver.
1600
02:10:13,069 --> 02:10:16,038
These defendants displayed
that even apart from Manson...
1601
02:10:16,206 --> 02:10:18,766
...murder ran through their own blood.
1602
02:10:20,844 --> 02:10:25,872
Now we come to the question that has been
asked since these murders occurred. Why?
1603
02:10:26,049 --> 02:10:30,145
Why did Charles Manson
order these seven murders?
1604
02:10:31,254 --> 02:10:32,949
Ladies and gentlemen...
1605
02:10:33,122 --> 02:10:36,751
...the prosecution does not
have any burden of proving motive.
1606
02:10:36,926 --> 02:10:42,387
We have no obligation to show one single,
solitary speck of evidence as to motive.
1607
02:10:42,565 --> 02:10:46,661
However, when we have evidence
of motive, we introduce it.
1608
02:10:46,836 --> 02:10:49,236
For if one has a motive
for committing murder...
1609
02:10:49,405 --> 02:10:53,341
...this is circumstantial evidence that
it was he who committed the murder.
1610
02:10:53,676 --> 02:10:57,009
ln this trial, we will offer evidence
of Manson's motives...
1611
02:10:57,180 --> 02:10:59,273
...for ordering these seven murders.
1612
02:10:59,449 --> 02:11:03,852
The evidence will show Manson's fanatical
obsession with Helter Skelter...
1613
02:11:04,988 --> 02:11:08,515
...a term he got from the English
musical group The Beatles.
1614
02:11:08,958 --> 02:11:12,086
To Manson, Helter Skelter meant
the black man rising up...
1615
02:11:12,262 --> 02:11:15,493
...and destroying the entire white race.
1616
02:11:16,232 --> 02:11:20,328
That is, with the exception of
Charles Manson and his chosen followers.
1617
02:11:20,670 --> 02:11:23,298
Keep it clear.
Please, keep the aisle clear.
1618
02:11:23,473 --> 02:11:25,566
Gentlemen, keep it clear, please.
1619
02:11:25,742 --> 02:11:27,767
Stand back, please.
1620
02:11:28,645 --> 02:11:30,408
Keep it clear, please.
1621
02:11:30,580 --> 02:11:32,070
-Keep it--
-You'll kill us all!
1622
02:11:32,248 --> 02:11:33,476
Kill us all!
1623
02:11:38,988 --> 02:11:40,421
Raise your right hand.
1624
02:11:40,590 --> 02:11:44,526
Object, on the grounds this witness
is not competent and she's insane.
1625
02:11:44,694 --> 02:11:48,721
l ask the court to strike that and find him
in contempt for gross misconduct.
1626
02:11:48,898 --> 02:11:51,264
-This is unbelievable!
-Come to the bench.
1627
02:11:52,101 --> 02:11:55,901
The jury is admonished to disregard
Mr. Scoville's comments.
1628
02:11:56,072 --> 02:11:59,530
Mr. Scoville's objections alleges
Linda Kasabian is incompetent...
1629
02:11:59,842 --> 02:12:02,436
...because she has taken LSD
at least 300 times.
1630
02:12:02,612 --> 02:12:05,979
After 10 minutes of discussion,
the objection is overruled.
1631
02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:08,014
Motion for a mistrial is denied.
1632
02:12:08,184 --> 02:12:12,553
The first question to Linda elicits another
objection, another motion for mistrial.
1633
02:12:12,722 --> 02:12:17,523
After another 10 minutes' discussion,
this second motion is also denied.
1634
02:12:17,694 --> 02:12:20,993
A pattern of incessant objections
and motions is established...
1635
02:12:21,164 --> 02:12:25,760
...yet, piece by piece, the story of Linda
Kasabian and the Manson Family emerges...
1636
02:12:25,935 --> 02:12:29,393
...from the hours of wrangling
and obfuscation.
1637
02:12:31,607 --> 02:12:34,098
Mrs. Kasabian, do you have any children?
1638
02:12:34,277 --> 02:12:36,370
Yes. I have two children.
1639
02:12:36,546 --> 02:12:37,877
And what are their names?
1640
02:12:38,047 --> 02:12:40,072
Tanya and Angel.
1641
02:12:40,249 --> 02:12:42,513
When did you come to Los Angeles?
1642
02:12:42,685 --> 02:12:44,277
Maybe...
1643
02:12:44,754 --> 02:12:48,690
...the 2 7th of June, 1969.
1644
02:12:48,858 --> 02:12:54,160
Did you first meet Gypsy,
or Catherine Share on July 4, 1969?
1645
02:12:54,330 --> 02:12:55,820
Yes.
1646
02:12:56,099 --> 02:12:59,398
She had come to see a friend
who lived in the truck with us.
1647
02:12:59,802 --> 02:13:02,600
Did she have anything to do
with you going to Spahn Ranch?
1648
02:13:02,772 --> 02:13:04,672
-Yes, she did.
-And how was that?
1649
02:13:06,509 --> 02:13:11,503
She told me that there was a beautiful man
that we'd all been waiting for.
1650
02:13:42,311 --> 02:13:45,610
I became a member of a family.
1651
02:13:45,782 --> 02:13:49,183
Now, what do you mean by that,
''a member of the Family''?
1652
02:13:49,352 --> 02:13:53,914
Well, we lived together as one family...
1653
02:13:54,290 --> 02:13:56,656
...as a family lives together...
1654
02:13:56,826 --> 02:14:00,227
...a mother and a father and children...
1655
02:14:00,396 --> 02:14:02,796
...but we were all just one...
1656
02:14:02,965 --> 02:14:06,264
...and Charlie was the head.
1657
02:14:25,988 --> 02:14:28,479
-How old are you, Vince?
-Thirty-five.
1658
02:14:28,658 --> 02:14:33,027
You're lucky, you can go right from
this case on into Social Security.
1659
02:14:33,663 --> 02:14:37,224
l was ready for his objections and motions.
l've seen him in action.
1660
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:41,496
What bothers me is he's sometimes
effective. He keeps testimony out l want in.
1661
02:14:41,771 --> 02:14:44,638
For instance, today,
l know he wore Judge Older down...
1662
02:14:44,807 --> 02:14:49,267
...with his constant, ''Objection, hearsay.''
He said it over and over again until...
1663
02:14:49,445 --> 02:14:51,777
...Older thought he was right
and sustained.
1664
02:14:51,948 --> 02:14:55,008
lf l can't use Linda Kasabian's testimony
against Manson--
1665
02:14:55,184 --> 02:14:58,051
This is it: People v. Stevens.
1666
02:14:58,988 --> 02:15:01,081
This is the kind of statement we need.
1667
02:15:01,257 --> 02:15:05,125
The court rules in here that you can show
the existence of a conspiracy...
1668
02:15:05,294 --> 02:15:09,958
...by showing the relationship between the
parties, including statements to each other.
1669
02:15:10,133 --> 02:15:11,930
Beautiful.
1670
02:15:15,905 --> 02:15:18,703
A little past mid-July, 1969...
1671
02:15:18,875 --> 02:15:22,606
...did a group of Family members
and guests gather at the back house?
1672
02:15:22,778 --> 02:15:25,246
-Yes, they did.
-About how many people?
1673
02:15:25,414 --> 02:15:29,544
Objection, Your Honor, ambiguous
as to time and also calling for a conclusion.
1674
02:15:29,852 --> 02:15:31,547
Overruled.
1675
02:15:32,455 --> 02:15:33,683
The Family...
1676
02:15:34,390 --> 02:15:39,293
...maybe 20, and l believe
there were three guests.
1677
02:15:39,462 --> 02:15:40,690
Four guests.
1678
02:15:42,198 --> 02:15:43,859
What took place that night?
1679
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:45,924
Object, Your Honor.
1680
02:15:46,402 --> 02:15:48,529
Overruled, let's proceed.
1681
02:15:48,704 --> 02:15:51,696
-Do you have the question in mind?
-Yes, l do.
1682
02:15:52,441 --> 02:15:56,775
There was one particular girl,
l don't remember her name....
1683
02:15:57,680 --> 02:15:59,671
ln view of the fact that the witness--
1684
02:15:59,849 --> 02:16:02,716
Don't interrupt the answer.
Let's proceed.
1685
02:16:04,921 --> 02:16:07,253
She was very young.
1686
02:16:07,423 --> 02:16:09,983
l'd say about 16.
1687
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:14,596
And she was quite shy,
very withdrawn.
1688
02:16:15,131 --> 02:16:18,760
And l remember she was laying
in the middle of the room...
1689
02:16:18,935 --> 02:16:24,635
...and Charlie came over to her,
and he started...
1690
02:16:25,174 --> 02:16:29,110
...touching her and kissing her...
1691
02:16:30,413 --> 02:16:32,210
...and you know.
1692
02:16:35,384 --> 02:16:38,148
Well, like, she was really rejecting him...
1693
02:16:39,088 --> 02:16:41,386
...trying to push him off...
1694
02:16:41,924 --> 02:16:45,451
...and he just sort of pushed her
back down and kissed her.
1695
02:16:46,896 --> 02:16:52,300
At this point, she bit him on the shoulder,
and he hit her in the face.
1696
02:16:52,468 --> 02:16:55,596
And then she just sort of let go
or whatever.
1697
02:16:56,639 --> 02:17:01,303
And then he flashed the signal
to Bobby Beausoleil to take over...
1698
02:17:05,047 --> 02:17:09,245
...and do his thing,
and then he told everybody...
1699
02:17:09,752 --> 02:17:15,190
...to touch her and to kiss her
and join in.
1700
02:17:16,692 --> 02:17:17,920
And everybody did.
1701
02:17:18,995 --> 02:17:22,658
Move to strike the entire answer
as non-responsive and immaterial.
1702
02:17:22,832 --> 02:17:24,060
lt's hearsay.
1703
02:17:24,233 --> 02:17:26,394
Join in the motion, may we approach?
1704
02:17:34,977 --> 02:17:37,036
We have to stick more
to the point here.
1705
02:17:38,881 --> 02:17:42,248
What is the purpose of this
extensive testimony about sex?
1706
02:17:42,518 --> 02:17:47,114
l'm trying to prove that Manson dominated
even the sex lives of these people.
1707
02:17:47,290 --> 02:17:48,518
Motion's denied.
1708
02:17:48,691 --> 02:17:53,151
Your Honor, this is the most prejudicial--
What Mr. Bugliosi is eliciting--
1709
02:17:53,329 --> 02:17:57,356
Excuse me, sir. Excuse me.
The G is soft. lt's Bugliosi.
1710
02:17:57,667 --> 02:18:00,659
-l'm sorry.
-Let's proceed.
1711
02:18:00,836 --> 02:18:02,360
Thank you.
1712
02:18:12,648 --> 02:18:16,414
Did anyone who was present touch this girl
before Charlie told them to?
1713
02:18:16,819 --> 02:18:19,083
No, l don't believe so.
1714
02:18:19,255 --> 02:18:22,452
After everyone touched the girl,
then what happened?
1715
02:18:23,326 --> 02:18:26,853
Then he told everybody
to make love with everybody.
1716
02:18:27,029 --> 02:18:31,090
While you were at Spahn Ranch,
did you have any discussions with Manson?
1717
02:18:31,267 --> 02:18:32,928
-Object!
-Yes.
1718
02:18:33,536 --> 02:18:36,972
Just a minute, l will object, Your Honor,
on the grounds of time.
1719
02:18:37,306 --> 02:18:38,534
Overruled.
1720
02:18:38,708 --> 02:18:42,940
ln your discussions with Mr. Manson,
did he ever talk about right and wrong?
1721
02:18:43,112 --> 02:18:45,876
-Yes.
-Objection! This is leading and suggestive.
1722
02:18:46,048 --> 02:18:48,812
-Overruled.
-What did he say?
1723
02:18:49,652 --> 02:18:52,587
He said there was no wrong--
1724
02:18:52,755 --> 02:18:56,054
Everything was all right,
there was no wrong.
1725
02:18:56,292 --> 02:18:59,591
Did he ever say anything about
willing to kill or be killed?
1726
02:18:59,762 --> 02:19:01,696
Leading and suggestive, Your Honor.
1727
02:19:01,864 --> 02:19:04,799
-Overruled.
-He used to say:
1728
02:19:05,668 --> 02:19:08,796
''lf you're willing to be killed...
1729
02:19:08,971 --> 02:19:11,030
...then you should be willing to kill.''
1730
02:19:11,507 --> 02:19:13,600
Did you ever see or observe...
1731
02:19:13,776 --> 02:19:17,872
...any member of the Family refuse to do
anything Mr. Manson told them to?
1732
02:19:18,247 --> 02:19:20,442
-Hearsay, Your Honor!
-Overruled.
1733
02:19:20,616 --> 02:19:22,083
Nobody did.
1734
02:19:22,485 --> 02:19:27,013
We always wanted to do
anything and everything for him.
1735
02:19:27,323 --> 02:19:32,488
During the day of August 8, do you recall
him saying anything about Helter Skelter?
1736
02:19:33,462 --> 02:19:36,056
-Yes, l do.
-What was the occasion?
1737
02:19:38,167 --> 02:19:42,570
Well, we were sitting around,
talking about things...
1738
02:19:42,738 --> 02:19:46,799
...and Charlie was saying how
people couldn't get it together...
1739
02:19:46,976 --> 02:19:51,310
...how people were on their own little trips,
and they wouldn't go on his trip.
1740
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:54,540
They just couldn't get it together at all.
1741
02:19:54,717 --> 02:19:56,582
And then he just came out and said:
1742
02:19:57,319 --> 02:20:00,049
''Now is the time for Helter Skelter.''
1743
02:20:01,891 --> 02:20:05,156
-That was August 8th, 1969?
-l believe so.
1744
02:20:05,361 --> 02:20:07,886
And did anything unusual
happen after dinner?
1745
02:20:08,898 --> 02:20:10,593
Yes.
1746
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:16,667
l remember l was standing out in front
of the gun room at this one point...
1747
02:20:17,139 --> 02:20:21,633
...and Charlie came up to me
and pulled me off the porch.
1748
02:20:21,844 --> 02:20:25,974
And he told me l needed
a change of clothing...
1749
02:20:26,148 --> 02:20:29,140
...a knife and my driver's license.
1750
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:32,378
-An additional change of clothing?
-Yes.
1751
02:20:32,555 --> 02:20:36,047
-And did you get these things?
-Yes.
1752
02:20:36,992 --> 02:20:39,961
And he told me to go with Tex...
1753
02:20:40,229 --> 02:20:43,892
...and do what Tex told me to do,
and l....
1754
02:20:52,741 --> 02:20:56,199
l got into the car...
1755
02:20:57,546 --> 02:21:02,245
...and l believe Sadie and Katie
were already in the back seat.
1756
02:21:02,418 --> 02:21:04,818
What is the next thing that happened?
1757
02:21:04,987 --> 02:21:09,356
Tex got in the car,
and we started to drive away.
1758
02:21:11,093 --> 02:21:13,323
And then Charlie said:
1759
02:21:13,496 --> 02:21:18,058
''Leave a sign.
You girls know what I mean.
1760
02:21:18,267 --> 02:21:20,531
Something witchy. ''
1761
02:21:23,739 --> 02:21:26,936
This trial is the second
crucifixion of Christ.
1762
02:21:27,109 --> 02:21:28,872
The second crucifixion.
1763
02:21:29,044 --> 02:21:30,807
This trial is the second....
1764
02:21:30,980 --> 02:21:34,746
There's the chief crucifier!
There he is!
1765
02:21:35,351 --> 02:21:38,149
l'm sure Mr. Bugliosi would like
a picture of Charlie.
1766
02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:41,983
No, thanks, Mary, l already have
an autographed one on my mantelpiece.
1767
02:21:42,157 --> 02:21:44,648
She's proof of what's wrong
with immunity deals.
1768
02:21:44,827 --> 02:21:48,695
But without her testimony, l doubt
Beausoleil would be in the death house.
1769
02:21:48,864 --> 02:21:51,094
But she's a killer, Aaron, running loose.
1770
02:21:51,267 --> 02:21:53,963
l know. l'm talking about
the second crucifixion.
1771
02:21:55,404 --> 02:21:56,962
Still, Vince...
1772
02:21:57,139 --> 02:21:59,403
...if it weren't for immunity...
1773
02:21:59,575 --> 02:22:01,338
...we'd be nowhere without Linda.
1774
02:22:01,510 --> 02:22:04,536
Linda didn't kill anyone.
We're not turning a killer free.
1775
02:22:04,713 --> 02:22:06,772
All right, don't get hot at me.
1776
02:22:10,953 --> 02:22:14,946
Your Honor, l have here a .22 caliber
Longhorn revolver. May it be marked...
1777
02:22:15,124 --> 02:22:19,083
-...People's 40 for identification?
-lt will be so marked.
1778
02:22:19,261 --> 02:22:22,788
-Have you ever seen this revolver before?
-Yes, l have.
1779
02:22:22,965 --> 02:22:25,525
And where did you see it
for the first time?
1780
02:22:25,701 --> 02:22:27,293
In the car.
1781
02:22:27,503 --> 02:22:29,971
This is the revolver in
the glove compartment?
1782
02:22:30,139 --> 02:22:31,663
Yes.
1783
02:22:39,982 --> 02:22:43,440
Did you actually see Tex
climb the pole?
1784
02:22:43,852 --> 02:22:47,015
I think so. I'm not positive.
1785
02:22:47,189 --> 02:22:50,352
I just remember seeing the wires fall.
1786
02:23:02,037 --> 02:23:05,529
Linda, l show you People's 41
for identification.
1787
02:23:05,708 --> 02:23:08,268
Have you ever seen this rope before?
1788
02:23:08,510 --> 02:23:10,808
That looks like the rope.
1789
02:23:11,714 --> 02:23:13,875
It looks like the rope that what?
1790
02:23:14,883 --> 02:23:18,114
That Tex was carrying up the hill.
1791
02:23:19,788 --> 02:23:23,952
What happened after you, Katie,
Tex and Sadie walked up the hill?
1792
02:23:25,427 --> 02:23:26,792
We....
1793
02:23:28,597 --> 02:23:30,861
We climbed over.
1794
02:23:31,433 --> 02:23:34,527
We climbed over a fence.
1795
02:23:36,038 --> 02:23:40,839
And then a light started
coming towards us.
1796
02:23:45,948 --> 02:23:48,416
Are you able to go on, Mrs. Kasabian?
1797
02:23:48,617 --> 02:23:51,450
Yes. Yes, l am.
1798
02:23:54,923 --> 02:23:57,187
And the man said:
1799
02:23:57,726 --> 02:24:02,823
''Please, don't hurt me,
l won't say anything.''
1800
02:24:08,170 --> 02:24:11,196
Now, you say that Tex cut
the screen of the window.
1801
02:24:11,373 --> 02:24:13,841
What's the next thing that happened?
1802
02:24:17,546 --> 02:24:19,377
He told me...
1803
02:24:19,548 --> 02:24:23,917
...to go back to the car and wait.
1804
02:24:24,353 --> 02:24:26,253
And l did.
1805
02:24:29,091 --> 02:24:30,752
And then...
1806
02:24:31,860 --> 02:24:34,158
...all of a sudden...
1807
02:24:35,698 --> 02:24:37,256
...l heard--
1808
02:24:37,433 --> 02:24:39,367
l heard screams.
1809
02:24:40,636 --> 02:24:43,070
There were no words.
1810
02:24:43,238 --> 02:24:45,763
lt was beyond words.
1811
02:24:46,341 --> 02:24:48,901
lt was just screams.
1812
02:24:50,079 --> 02:24:52,138
lt was horrible!
1813
02:24:53,882 --> 02:24:56,180
Your Honor...
1814
02:24:56,351 --> 02:24:59,218
...l can appreciate that, but...
1815
02:24:59,388 --> 02:25:03,415
...l ask that the statement
about ''horrible'' ....
1816
02:25:03,592 --> 02:25:06,925
The statement is out.
The jury is admonished to disregard it.
1817
02:25:09,798 --> 02:25:11,857
l'll get you a cup of water.
1818
02:25:31,820 --> 02:25:33,583
How long did the screaming go on?
1819
02:25:35,124 --> 02:25:37,490
l don't know.
1820
02:25:38,494 --> 02:25:41,122
lt seemed like forever.
1821
02:25:41,597 --> 02:25:43,292
lnfinite.
1822
02:25:45,300 --> 02:25:47,564
My mind went blank...
1823
02:25:48,370 --> 02:25:52,932
...and l was aware of my body
walking towards the house.
1824
02:25:57,513 --> 02:25:59,140
Then l hit....
1825
02:25:59,314 --> 02:26:04,616
Oh, God, l'm so sorry.
1826
02:26:05,654 --> 02:26:08,817
Sadie, please, make it stop!
1827
02:26:08,991 --> 02:26:11,482
l hear people coming.
1828
02:26:12,961 --> 02:26:14,861
And she said:
1829
02:26:15,831 --> 02:26:17,458
''lt's too late.''
1830
02:26:23,405 --> 02:26:25,305
And then l said to Sadie:
1831
02:26:25,474 --> 02:26:28,739
''Sadie, please, make it stop.''
1832
02:26:34,483 --> 02:26:37,850
And when you told Sadie people
were coming, was that the truth?
1833
02:26:38,020 --> 02:26:39,612
No.
1834
02:26:40,088 --> 02:26:42,215
And why did you tell her that?
1835
02:26:42,391 --> 02:26:46,157
Because l just wanted them to stop!
1836
02:26:51,333 --> 02:26:54,302
All right, Mrs. Kasabian,
you can step down.
1837
02:26:58,073 --> 02:27:01,531
Ladies and gentlemen,
do not converse with anyone...
1838
02:27:01,710 --> 02:27:06,875
...nor form or express an opinion regarding
this case until it has been submitted to you.
1839
02:27:07,416 --> 02:27:11,443
The court will adjourn at this time
until 9:45 tomorrow morning.
1840
02:27:11,787 --> 02:27:15,245
When was the first time you learned
the names of the five victims?
1841
02:27:15,424 --> 02:27:18,086
The following day on the news.
1842
02:27:18,260 --> 02:27:23,994
Sadie woke me up and told me to go
to Spahn's trailer to watch television.
1843
02:27:24,166 --> 02:27:28,125
When l got there, she switched
the channels to the news.
1844
02:27:28,871 --> 02:27:34,605
And then Charlie came in and called
Katie, Leslie and myself aside...
1845
02:27:34,776 --> 02:27:39,736
...and told us to get a change of clothing
and meet in the bunkroom, which we did.
1846
02:27:40,515 --> 02:27:42,813
And he told me to get my driver's license.
1847
02:27:43,151 --> 02:27:45,312
That's three lies you've told already.
1848
02:27:45,487 --> 02:27:47,011
No, Charlie.
1849
02:27:47,189 --> 02:27:49,714
l've spoken the truth, and you know it.
1850
02:27:52,628 --> 02:27:56,655
Did Mr. Manson say anything to you
once you were all in the bunkhouse?
1851
02:27:58,700 --> 02:28:01,828
He said we were going out again, tonight.
1852
02:28:02,004 --> 02:28:04,802
That last night was too messy...
1853
02:28:04,973 --> 02:28:08,465
...and that he was gonna
show us how to do it.
1854
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:48,374
He's had this information a week,
and we haven't heard it.
1855
02:28:48,550 --> 02:28:50,017
l've given it three times.
1856
02:28:50,185 --> 02:28:52,153
Objections from the defense continue.
1857
02:28:52,321 --> 02:28:55,688
Terrence Milik, during a dispute,
uses obscene language.
1858
02:28:55,857 --> 02:28:58,621
Judge Older cites him
for contempt of court.
1859
02:29:07,402 --> 02:29:10,235
He told me that there was
a man and a woman...
1860
02:29:10,405 --> 02:29:12,498
...tied up in the house.
1861
02:29:12,674 --> 02:29:15,302
And that he had tied their hands...
1862
02:29:15,477 --> 02:29:20,881
...and told them not to be afraid,
that he wasn't going to hurt them.
1863
02:29:21,950 --> 02:29:24,180
And then he told them:
1864
02:29:24,419 --> 02:29:28,048
''Don't cause fear and panic
in these people.
1865
02:29:28,223 --> 02:29:31,386
Don't let them know
you're going to kill them. ''
1866
02:29:32,094 --> 02:29:35,962
And afterwards, they should
hitchhike back to the ranch.
1867
02:29:37,065 --> 02:29:39,863
You say Mr. Manson gave you a wallet?
1868
02:29:40,168 --> 02:29:41,965
Yes, he did.
1869
02:29:42,804 --> 02:29:46,035
Did he tell you what to do
with respect to that wallet?
1870
02:29:47,042 --> 02:29:50,102
He told me to take the change
out of the wallet...
1871
02:29:50,278 --> 02:29:53,270
...and wipe off the fingerprints.
1872
02:29:54,182 --> 02:29:58,312
And then, we were going
to put it someplace...
1873
02:29:58,787 --> 02:30:03,087
...where a black person would
pick it up and use the credit card...
1874
02:30:03,258 --> 02:30:06,159
...so that the people, the establishment...
1875
02:30:06,328 --> 02:30:11,391
...would think it was some sort of
organized group that killed these people.
1876
02:30:11,967 --> 02:30:14,936
Presumably, the black militants.
1877
02:30:15,437 --> 02:30:19,430
He said they wanted to show
blackie how to do it.
1878
02:30:23,812 --> 02:30:25,302
Order.
1879
02:30:27,115 --> 02:30:29,310
The court will recess for 15 minutes.
1880
02:30:39,428 --> 02:30:42,693
l'm gonna have Bugliosi and Older killed.
1881
02:30:44,900 --> 02:30:48,859
Testing, testing.
One, two, three, testing.
1882
02:30:53,308 --> 02:30:55,970
Testing, testing. Do you read me? Over.
1883
02:30:56,144 --> 02:30:57,805
Coming through loud and clear.
1884
02:30:57,979 --> 02:30:59,947
-Roger.
-Vince, what if--?
1885
02:31:00,115 --> 02:31:03,414
lf they cut the phone wires,
we have communication with police.
1886
02:31:03,585 --> 02:31:06,281
And come here.
l got a full-time bodyguard too.
1887
02:31:06,455 --> 02:31:09,913
-See him?
-lt's like being in a war.
1888
02:31:16,731 --> 02:31:19,256
Say, Vince? Vince, l want to apologize.
1889
02:31:19,434 --> 02:31:21,664
Terry, it was a heat-of-the-moment remark.
1890
02:31:21,837 --> 02:31:24,772
-l'm sorry Older found you in contempt.
-That's not it.
1891
02:31:24,940 --> 02:31:27,067
What l did was a hell of a lot worse.
1892
02:31:27,242 --> 02:31:30,405
l suggested that Everett Scoville
be Manson's attorney.
1893
02:31:32,781 --> 02:31:37,741
You testified this morning, did you not,
that you have taken LSD 50 times?
1894
02:31:37,919 --> 02:31:40,217
Approximately, yes.
1895
02:31:40,388 --> 02:31:42,379
What is LSD?
1896
02:31:42,557 --> 02:31:47,085
Lysergic acid diethylamide.
Something like that.
1897
02:31:47,262 --> 02:31:51,790
Well, is it a chemical? Does it provoke
an emotional response like anger?
1898
02:31:51,967 --> 02:31:53,457
Fear? Jealousy? Hate?
1899
02:31:54,236 --> 02:32:00,141
My sole purpose for taking it
was for realization, God realization.
1900
02:32:00,308 --> 02:32:04,074
-That was to discover God?
-Yes.
1901
02:32:05,180 --> 02:32:07,148
Were you successful in that endeavor?
1902
02:32:07,716 --> 02:32:13,279
l realize you don't have to take
peyote or LSD to discover God.
1903
02:32:14,022 --> 02:32:20,257
l believe you stated that
you've taken 50 acid trips.
1904
02:32:20,462 --> 02:32:23,829
Would you please describe
what happened on trip number 23?
1905
02:32:23,999 --> 02:32:26,467
l object to that question
as being ridiculous.
1906
02:32:27,068 --> 02:32:28,558
Sustained.
1907
02:32:37,345 --> 02:32:39,506
What is this?
1908
02:32:42,584 --> 02:32:45,212
All counsel will come to the bench.
1909
02:32:52,761 --> 02:32:55,286
If jurors had been influenced
by the headline...
1910
02:32:55,463 --> 02:32:58,159
...grounds for a mistrial
may have been established.
1911
02:32:58,333 --> 02:33:01,894
Therefore, each juror is questioned,
under oath, by Judge Older.
1912
02:33:02,337 --> 02:33:04,999
Do you feel that it has
influenced you in any way?
1913
02:33:05,173 --> 02:33:06,401
No, sir.
1914
02:33:06,575 --> 02:33:11,638
Do you feel you can form an opinion based
solely upon evidence presented to you?
1915
02:33:11,813 --> 02:33:13,474
l'm sure l can, Your Honor.
1916
02:33:13,815 --> 02:33:16,875
-Very good, you may step down.
-Thank you.
1917
02:33:19,521 --> 02:33:23,651
-Yes, sir.
-Do you feel it's influenced your thinking?
1918
02:33:23,825 --> 02:33:26,316
All 12 jurors and alternates
state under oath...
1919
02:33:26,494 --> 02:33:31,022
...that they have not been influenced and
will only consider the evidence presented.
1920
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:34,462
l didn't vote for Mr. Nixon anyway.
1921
02:33:37,706 --> 02:33:41,073
Now, Mrs. Kasabian...
1922
02:33:47,215 --> 02:33:51,777
...you testified that when you saw
the shooting of Steven Parent...
1923
02:33:51,953 --> 02:33:54,649
...you went into a state of shock.
1924
02:33:54,923 --> 02:33:59,121
Now, just exactly when
did that state of shock end?
1925
02:34:00,128 --> 02:34:02,528
l don't know when it ended.
1926
02:34:03,498 --> 02:34:06,956
-l don't know if it ever ended.
-Oh!
1927
02:34:07,135 --> 02:34:10,468
And you weren't under the influence
of any drugs, is that right?
1928
02:34:10,639 --> 02:34:12,698
-No.
-You weren't under the influence...
1929
02:34:12,874 --> 02:34:14,774
...of anything, right?
1930
02:34:15,310 --> 02:34:17,870
l was under the influence of Charlie.
1931
02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:21,376
Oh, yes.
1932
02:34:36,064 --> 02:34:39,124
Now, Mrs. Kasabian,
l show you this picture.
1933
02:34:39,301 --> 02:34:40,893
Oh, God.
1934
02:34:41,069 --> 02:34:42,934
Oh, for God's sake.
1935
02:34:44,205 --> 02:34:46,196
Oh, God.
1936
02:34:50,945 --> 02:34:55,848
Mrs. Kasabian, the truth is that you
made up this whole story, didn't you?
1937
02:34:56,017 --> 02:34:57,348
-No.
-Didn't you?!
1938
02:34:57,519 --> 02:35:01,114
No. Nobody could make that up.
1939
02:35:01,423 --> 02:35:02,651
Nobody.
1940
02:35:03,858 --> 02:35:07,021
Mrs. Kasabian,
why are you crying right now?
1941
02:35:08,263 --> 02:35:12,290
-Because l just can't believe--
-Believe what, Mrs. Kasabian?
1942
02:35:12,467 --> 02:35:15,459
-That they could do that.
-Oh, that they could do that!
1943
02:35:16,538 --> 02:35:21,771
Not that you could do it, Mrs. Kasabian,
but that they could do it.
1944
02:35:22,110 --> 02:35:26,206
-l know l didn't do that.
-Oh?
1945
02:35:26,715 --> 02:35:29,206
But you were in a state of shock,
weren't you?
1946
02:35:29,384 --> 02:35:31,682
-That's right.
-Then how do you know?
1947
02:35:31,853 --> 02:35:33,980
Because l know.
1948
02:35:34,289 --> 02:35:40,694
l do not have that kind of thing in me,
to do such an animalistic thing.
1949
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:44,188
Linda...
1950
02:35:44,999 --> 02:35:51,461
...tell me, do you feel that you are
controlled by Mr. Manson's vibrations?
1951
02:35:53,408 --> 02:35:54,636
Possibly.
1952
02:35:56,144 --> 02:35:57,873
Did he put off a lot of vibes?
1953
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:00,872
Sure.
1954
02:36:01,416 --> 02:36:03,008
He's doing it right now.
1955
02:36:06,388 --> 02:36:09,357
May the record reflect, Your Honor,
that Mr. Manson...
1956
02:36:10,091 --> 02:36:12,218
... is merely sitting there.
1957
02:36:15,663 --> 02:36:18,223
He doesn't seem to be vibrating.
1958
02:36:27,275 --> 02:36:30,972
Your Honor, the president
said we are guilty...
1959
02:36:31,146 --> 02:36:33,080
...so why go on with the trial?
1960
02:36:34,816 --> 02:36:36,977
Would you please repeat your response?
1961
02:36:37,152 --> 02:36:40,588
Her reply was that
Charlie had sent them, yes.
1962
02:36:40,755 --> 02:36:42,882
No further questions, Mr. Jones.
1963
02:36:43,057 --> 02:36:44,786
You may step down, Mr. Jones.
1964
02:36:44,959 --> 02:36:47,826
-May l examine him, Your Honor?
-No, you may not.
1965
02:36:48,029 --> 02:36:51,897
l'm gonna fight for my life,
you might as well let me do it with words.
1966
02:36:52,967 --> 02:36:55,731
lf you don't stop,
l'll have to have you removed.
1967
02:36:55,904 --> 02:36:59,738
lf you don't stop, l'll have you removed.
l've got a little system.
1968
02:37:01,209 --> 02:37:04,372
-Call the next witness.
-Do you think l'm kidding?!
1969
02:37:10,218 --> 02:37:14,587
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
1970
02:37:14,756 --> 02:37:19,125
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
1971
02:37:24,632 --> 02:37:26,930
And the hypocrite....
1972
02:37:34,242 --> 02:37:36,904
Gillespie inquires as to
the judge's state of mind.
1973
02:37:38,480 --> 02:37:41,972
lf he'd taken one more step,
l would have defended myself.
1974
02:37:42,383 --> 02:37:47,184
Because of the judge's state of mind,
Gillespie says he has to ask for a mistrial.
1975
02:37:48,656 --> 02:37:51,284
lt isn't gonna be that easy, Mr. Gillespie.
1976
02:37:51,459 --> 02:37:54,553
They are not going to profit
from their own wrong.
1977
02:37:54,729 --> 02:37:56,390
Denied.
1978
02:37:56,598 --> 02:37:57,826
Call the next witness.
1979
02:38:00,702 --> 02:38:03,432
The People of the State of California rest.
1980
02:38:06,541 --> 02:38:09,510
-Are you ready to proceed with defense?
-Yes, Your Honor.
1981
02:38:10,378 --> 02:38:12,710
Mr. Gillespie, call your first witness.
1982
02:38:15,683 --> 02:38:18,174
Your Honor, the defendants rest.
1983
02:38:24,225 --> 02:38:27,524
-We wanna testify!
-We wanna testify!
1984
02:38:29,831 --> 02:38:31,765
Let us testify!
1985
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:34,290
The counsel--
1986
02:38:34,569 --> 02:38:37,800
Older orders counsel into chambers
and demands an explanation.
1987
02:38:46,915 --> 02:38:49,406
-Your Honor--
-l gotta keep them off the stand.
1988
02:38:49,584 --> 02:38:53,418
Our contention is that
their testimony is already perjured...
1989
02:38:53,588 --> 02:38:57,490
...and it would be inadmissible
as perjured evidence.
1990
02:39:01,262 --> 02:39:03,662
There's a split between
attorneys and clients.
1991
02:39:03,831 --> 02:39:06,857
Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten
wish to testify...
1992
02:39:07,035 --> 02:39:10,471
...that they committed the murders
and Manson was not involved.
1993
02:39:10,638 --> 02:39:15,905
The attorneys vehemently oppose this
and want to forestall it by resting the case.
1994
02:39:16,177 --> 02:39:17,644
Gentlemen...
1995
02:39:18,112 --> 02:39:20,512
...defendants are gonna be
allowed to testify.
1996
02:39:20,682 --> 02:39:24,846
The right to testify supersedes
any and all other rights.
1997
02:39:25,019 --> 02:39:28,887
Before the girls are called to the stand,
Manson asks permission to speak.
1998
02:39:29,057 --> 02:39:31,821
Judge Older grants permission,
but it must be made...
1999
02:39:31,993 --> 02:39:34,427
...outside the presence of the jury.
2000
02:39:35,063 --> 02:39:36,860
l never went to school...
2001
02:39:37,031 --> 02:39:40,194
...so l never learned how to
read or write too good.
2002
02:39:40,501 --> 02:39:43,800
And l stayed in jail,
and l stayed stupid...
2003
02:39:44,105 --> 02:39:47,973
...and l stayed a child while
l watched your world grow up.
2004
02:39:49,210 --> 02:39:51,804
And then l look at what you do...
2005
02:39:52,614 --> 02:39:54,844
...and l don't understand.
2006
02:39:56,517 --> 02:39:58,576
You eat meat...
2007
02:39:59,988 --> 02:40:03,685
...and you kill things
that are better than you are...
2008
02:40:04,525 --> 02:40:07,323
...and then you say how bad...
2009
02:40:08,029 --> 02:40:11,260
...or even killers, your children are.
2010
02:40:11,799 --> 02:40:14,962
These children that
come at you with knives.
2011
02:40:15,670 --> 02:40:17,763
They're your children.
2012
02:40:18,506 --> 02:40:21,100
You taught them, l didn't teach them.
2013
02:40:21,609 --> 02:40:24,442
l just tried to help them stand up.
2014
02:40:25,813 --> 02:40:28,680
The people you call my Family...
2015
02:40:28,850 --> 02:40:31,182
...were people you didn't want.
2016
02:40:31,686 --> 02:40:36,282
People alongside the road
that their parents had kicked out.
2017
02:40:36,658 --> 02:40:40,355
So l took them to my garbage dump,
and l fed them...
2018
02:40:40,528 --> 02:40:43,986
...and l taught them that in love,
there's no wrong.
2019
02:40:44,932 --> 02:40:47,366
l can't dislike you...
2020
02:40:47,869 --> 02:40:49,837
...but l can say this to you:
2021
02:40:50,004 --> 02:40:54,304
lt's not going to be long before you all
kill yourselves because you're all crazy.
2022
02:40:55,443 --> 02:40:57,934
And you can project it back on me...
2023
02:40:58,513 --> 02:41:03,644
...but l'm only what lives
in each and every one of you.
2024
02:41:05,253 --> 02:41:08,245
My father's a jailhouse.
2025
02:41:08,623 --> 02:41:11,490
My father's your system.
2026
02:41:12,627 --> 02:41:14,891
l'm a reflection of you.
2027
02:41:15,063 --> 02:41:17,429
l'm what you made me.
2028
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:23,134
l've ate out of your garbage cans
to stay out of jail.
2029
02:41:23,871 --> 02:41:26,931
l've worn your secondhand clothes.
2030
02:41:27,575 --> 02:41:31,409
l've tried my best to get along
in your world...
2031
02:41:31,579 --> 02:41:34,571
...and now you say you wanna kill me.
2032
02:41:34,749 --> 02:41:39,652
And l look at you, and l say to myself,
you wanna kill me.
2033
02:41:39,821 --> 02:41:41,584
l'm already dead!
2034
02:41:41,756 --> 02:41:43,986
l have been all my life.
2035
02:41:44,158 --> 02:41:48,026
l spent 23 years in tombs that you built.
2036
02:41:48,563 --> 02:41:51,794
Sometimes l wanna
give it all back to you.
2037
02:41:53,167 --> 02:41:55,863
Sometimes, l wanna jump on you
and let you shoot me.
2038
02:41:56,037 --> 02:41:59,438
lf l could, l'd grab this microphone,
l'd beat your brains out...
2039
02:41:59,607 --> 02:42:02,303
...because that's what you deserve!
2040
02:42:10,518 --> 02:42:12,179
These children...
2041
02:42:12,353 --> 02:42:15,220
...everything they done,
they done for love of brother.
2042
02:42:16,858 --> 02:42:18,883
ls that a conspiracy?
2043
02:42:19,260 --> 02:42:21,285
ls it a conspiracy that the music...
2044
02:42:21,462 --> 02:42:24,761
...is telling the youth to rise up
against the establishment...
2045
02:42:24,932 --> 02:42:30,700
...because the establishment is rapidly
destroying things. ls that a conspiracy?
2046
02:42:31,572 --> 02:42:36,805
The music speaks to you every day, but
you're too deaf, dumb and blind to listen.
2047
02:42:38,212 --> 02:42:40,908
lt's not my conspiracy.
2048
02:42:41,282 --> 02:42:42,874
lt's not my music.
2049
02:42:43,050 --> 02:42:47,487
l hear what it relates.
lt says, ''Rise.'' lt says, ''Kill.''
2050
02:42:47,655 --> 02:42:51,523
Why blame it on me?
l didn't write the music.
2051
02:43:02,303 --> 02:43:04,601
How can you blame...
2052
02:43:04,972 --> 02:43:07,964
...what you do on your children?
2053
02:43:11,312 --> 02:43:13,337
And what about your children, huh?
2054
02:43:13,981 --> 02:43:15,380
What about them?
2055
02:43:15,550 --> 02:43:19,486
You say they're just a few.
Well, there are many, many more.
2056
02:43:19,654 --> 02:43:25,650
And they're running in the streets,
all in the same direction, right at you!
2057
02:43:32,867 --> 02:43:36,132
-Amen.
-Amen, Charlie. Right on, Charlie.
2058
02:43:37,305 --> 02:43:40,001
-Amen!
-Amen!
2059
02:43:40,174 --> 02:43:43,337
Amen! Right on, Charlie!
2060
02:43:46,881 --> 02:43:49,315
You don't have to testify.
2061
02:44:10,771 --> 02:44:14,002
--has been serving as defense counsel
for Leslie Van Houten...
2062
02:44:14,175 --> 02:44:17,235
...one of the defendants
in the Tate-LaBianca murder trial.
2063
02:44:17,411 --> 02:44:20,869
Milik is believed to have spent
the weekend on a camping trip...
2064
02:44:21,048 --> 02:44:26,384
...to Sespe Hot Springs, rugged terrain
some 130 miles northwest of Los Angeles.
2065
02:44:26,554 --> 02:44:29,455
He may have been stranded there
because of flooding.
2066
02:44:29,624 --> 02:44:31,888
His absence may delay--
2067
02:44:32,293 --> 02:44:34,625
And then again, he may not have been.
2068
02:44:35,296 --> 02:44:37,560
Hi, honey. How does this sound?
2069
02:44:37,732 --> 02:44:40,200
''Everett Scoville,
the Toscanini of tedium...
2070
02:44:40,368 --> 02:44:43,201
...has accused the prosecution
of tying up the court.''
2071
02:44:43,371 --> 02:44:45,532
''Toscanini of tedium''? l like it.
2072
02:44:45,706 --> 02:44:49,472
l thought you said he was the most
effective of all the defense counsel.
2073
02:44:49,644 --> 02:44:51,373
He has been.
2074
02:44:57,118 --> 02:45:00,053
Vince, do you think Mr. Milik
would maybe stay away...
2075
02:45:00,221 --> 02:45:02,348
...to sabotage the trial?
2076
02:45:03,658 --> 02:45:07,651
No, sweetheart. He's not the type.
2077
02:45:12,967 --> 02:45:16,027
And, Your Honor, on the photograph
to the left of that...
2078
02:45:16,203 --> 02:45:21,368
...it's quite obvious that the Tate house
itself was entered.
2079
02:45:21,542 --> 02:45:24,875
That's part of the process by which
we're introducing testimony.
2080
02:45:25,046 --> 02:45:29,346
You're the murderer.
You're the leader of the ''Pig Murder Gang.''
2081
02:45:29,517 --> 02:45:31,382
What did you do with my attorney?
2082
02:45:31,552 --> 02:45:34,043
-What'd you do with him?
-Remove the defendants!
2083
02:45:34,689 --> 02:45:35,917
We're gonna get you!
2084
02:45:36,090 --> 02:45:41,323
Your guts are gonna fall out, Older!
You're not gonna get any older, Older!
2085
02:45:48,736 --> 02:45:51,569
Help me!
2086
02:45:53,674 --> 02:45:59,408
No American court is required to submit
to this kind of nonsense day after day.
2087
02:46:00,247 --> 02:46:05,981
The defendants will not be allowed to
return for the remainder of the guilt trial.
2088
02:46:07,188 --> 02:46:12,717
And Linda Kasabian testified that Watson
shot Steven Parent four times.
2089
02:46:12,893 --> 02:46:17,387
You heard expert medical testimony
that Parent had been shot four times.
2090
02:46:17,565 --> 02:46:20,500
-Testified my ass.
-Pig! You lying whore!
2091
02:46:20,668 --> 02:46:24,263
-Pig!
-Yeah, she really testified, all right.
2092
02:46:25,373 --> 02:46:30,902
Linda Kasabian testified that Parent had
slumped over toward the passenger side...
2093
02:46:31,212 --> 02:46:35,842
...and you saw police photographs showing
Parent slumped toward the passenger side.
2094
02:46:36,851 --> 02:46:43,051
Forty-five instances where other evidence
confirms Linda Kasabian's testimony.
2095
02:46:44,925 --> 02:46:49,453
Ladies and gentlemen, we are all
very privileged in this courtroom...
2096
02:46:49,864 --> 02:46:53,265
...because we have been enlightened
by a new society...
2097
02:46:53,934 --> 02:46:56,664
...led by a new Jesus Christ...
2098
02:46:56,837 --> 02:46:58,998
...who is none other than Charles Manson.
2099
02:47:01,175 --> 02:47:03,871
We've even learned a new commandment:
2100
02:47:04,512 --> 02:47:09,313
Thou shalt love thy neighbor
by killing thy neighbor.
2101
02:47:10,418 --> 02:47:14,616
We've seen young people become
disciples of this new Christ...
2102
02:47:14,789 --> 02:47:16,620
...by slaughtering human beings...
2103
02:47:16,791 --> 02:47:20,522
...for the mere pleasure
and the excitement of it.
2104
02:47:22,329 --> 02:47:24,957
We've learned how this new Christ...
2105
02:47:25,132 --> 02:47:28,329
...will lead his chosen people
out of the desert...
2106
02:47:28,669 --> 02:47:31,832
...followed by the enslaved black man.
2107
02:47:34,508 --> 02:47:35,736
No.
2108
02:47:35,910 --> 02:47:38,242
What we have learned,
ladies and gentleman...
2109
02:47:38,412 --> 02:47:44,044
...is that this new Christ is not
Charles Manson, but Charles Con Man.
2110
02:47:45,186 --> 02:47:48,349
That's the religion he knows very well...
2111
02:47:48,756 --> 02:47:51,486
...and the one over which he is the leader.
2112
02:47:52,860 --> 02:47:56,057
And are we supposed to pity this con man...
2113
02:47:56,230 --> 02:47:59,256
...who has ordered at least seven murders?
2114
02:48:00,568 --> 02:48:04,436
Are we to pity him for tying up the hands
of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca...
2115
02:48:04,772 --> 02:48:08,902
...so they could be brutally butchered
a little more neatly, more orderly?
2116
02:48:09,243 --> 02:48:14,203
Are we to pity this Family leader
whose hero was Adolf Hitler...
2117
02:48:14,849 --> 02:48:19,115
...who had ordered the mass murder
of six million Jews?
2118
02:48:30,331 --> 02:48:35,098
On the hot summer night
of August the 8th, 1969...
2119
02:48:35,569 --> 02:48:37,662
...Charles Manson...
2120
02:48:37,905 --> 02:48:40,339
...the Mephistophelean guru...
2121
02:48:40,508 --> 02:48:45,878
...who raped and bastardized the minds
of all those who gave themselves to him...
2122
02:48:46,213 --> 02:48:49,910
...sent out from the fires of hell
at Spahn Ranch...
2123
02:48:50,084 --> 02:48:54,487
...three heartless, bloodthirsty robots...
2124
02:48:56,490 --> 02:48:58,583
...and unfortunately for him...
2125
02:48:59,727 --> 02:49:01,888
...one human being...
2126
02:49:02,730 --> 02:49:04,857
...little Linda Kasabian.
2127
02:49:07,334 --> 02:49:09,427
What resulted that night...
2128
02:49:09,603 --> 02:49:12,401
...was perhaps the most inhuman...
2129
02:49:12,573 --> 02:49:16,373
...nightmarish, horror-filled hour
of savage murder...
2130
02:49:16,544 --> 02:49:20,446
...and human slaughter
in the recorded annals of crime.
2131
02:49:21,916 --> 02:49:27,821
As the helpless, defenseless victims begged
and screamed into the night for their lives...
2132
02:49:28,522 --> 02:49:33,721
...their lifeblood gushed from their bodies,
forming rivers of gore.
2133
02:49:35,863 --> 02:49:37,728
lf they could have...
2134
02:49:38,065 --> 02:49:42,092
...l'm sure that Watson,
Atkins, Krenwinkel...
2135
02:49:42,269 --> 02:49:45,238
...would gladly have swum
in that river of blood...
2136
02:49:45,406 --> 02:49:48,933
...and with orgasmic ecstasy
on their faces.
2137
02:49:51,078 --> 02:49:54,570
Susan Atkins, the Vampira...
2138
02:49:54,848 --> 02:49:58,011
...actually tasted Sharon Tate's blood.
2139
02:50:00,020 --> 02:50:05,481
On the very next night, Leslie Van Houten
joined the group of murderers.
2140
02:50:06,927 --> 02:50:10,886
And this time it was poor
Leno and Rosemary LaBianca...
2141
02:50:11,432 --> 02:50:17,029
...who were brutally butchered to satisfy
Charles Manson's homicidal madness.
2142
02:50:17,204 --> 02:50:18,831
Ladies and gentlemen...
2143
02:50:19,006 --> 02:50:24,205
...in a capital case in California,
the trial is divided into two phases.
2144
02:50:24,678 --> 02:50:29,138
Now, the first phase, with which
we are dealing now, is the guilt phase.
2145
02:50:29,683 --> 02:50:33,084
We are not asking you to decide
in the extent of the punishment.
2146
02:50:33,254 --> 02:50:35,814
That comes in the second phase.
2147
02:50:36,190 --> 02:50:40,251
The People of the State of California
are asking you at this time...
2148
02:50:40,427 --> 02:50:42,361
...to review the evidence...
2149
02:50:42,529 --> 02:50:45,930
...and decide whether the prosecution
has met its legal burden...
2150
02:50:46,100 --> 02:50:48,432
...of proving the guilt of these defendants.
2151
02:50:48,869 --> 02:50:53,602
And based upon the evidence you heard
from that witness stand...
2152
02:50:53,874 --> 02:50:58,038
...not only isn't there any
reasonable doubt as to their guilt...
2153
02:50:58,212 --> 02:51:00,476
...which is our only burden...
2154
02:51:01,615 --> 02:51:05,346
...but there can be no doubt whatsoever
of their guilt.
2155
02:51:11,225 --> 02:51:13,785
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...
2156
02:51:16,263 --> 02:51:18,288
...Sharon Tate...
2157
02:51:20,968 --> 02:51:22,902
...Jay Sebring...
2158
02:51:25,372 --> 02:51:27,567
...Abigail Folger...
2159
02:51:30,311 --> 02:51:32,643
...Voytek Frykowski...
2160
02:51:34,715 --> 02:51:36,774
...Steven Parent...
2161
02:51:39,420 --> 02:51:41,718
...Leno LaBianca...
2162
02:51:43,657 --> 02:51:46,319
...and Rosemary LaBianca...
2163
02:51:47,895 --> 02:51:51,194
...are not here with us now
in this courtroom.
2164
02:51:53,500 --> 02:51:56,367
But from their graves...
2165
02:51:58,572 --> 02:52:01,564
...they cry out for justice!
2166
02:52:05,412 --> 02:52:07,243
And justice can only be done...
2167
02:52:07,414 --> 02:52:11,612
...by your returning to this courtroom
with a verdict of guilty.
2168
02:52:17,858 --> 02:52:20,326
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...
2169
02:52:20,494 --> 02:52:25,693
...this trial has been an enormous imposition
on all of your personal, private lives.
2170
02:52:26,100 --> 02:52:30,628
And on behalf of the People of the State of
California, l want to thank you very much...
2171
02:52:30,804 --> 02:52:34,604
...for the patience and attention you've
shown throughout these proceedings.
2172
02:52:35,609 --> 02:52:38,077
You've been an exemplary jury.
2173
02:52:39,079 --> 02:52:44,574
The plaintiff in this trial is
the People of the State of California.
2174
02:52:45,352 --> 02:52:49,220
And l have all the confidence in the world
that you won't let them down.
2175
02:52:51,692 --> 02:52:53,182
Thank you.
2176
02:53:08,108 --> 02:53:09,632
Hello?
2177
02:53:09,910 --> 02:53:12,811
This is Mrs. Bugliosi, may l help you?
2178
02:53:13,147 --> 02:53:14,546
Who?
2179
02:53:15,215 --> 02:53:17,649
lt's the clerk of the court.
2180
02:53:18,786 --> 02:53:20,219
Hello?
2181
02:53:20,687 --> 02:53:22,052
Yeah.
2182
02:53:23,290 --> 02:53:25,087
Yeah, l'll be right there. Thanks.
2183
02:53:25,259 --> 02:53:28,319
Jury's reached a verdict.
Older wants to see the attorneys.
2184
02:53:28,495 --> 02:53:30,463
Dress warmly. You have a temperature.
2185
02:53:30,631 --> 02:53:33,429
Honey, l've been aiming for
this moment for 14 months.
2186
02:53:57,958 --> 02:54:00,688
All jurors and alternates are present.
2187
02:54:00,861 --> 02:54:03,125
All counsel but Mr. Milik are present.
2188
02:54:03,530 --> 02:54:05,430
The defendants are present.
2189
02:54:06,099 --> 02:54:09,466
Mr. Tubick, has the jury reached a verdict?
2190
02:54:09,636 --> 02:54:11,035
Yes, Your Honor, we have.
2191
02:54:11,205 --> 02:54:14,174
Would you hand the verdict forms
to the bailiff?
2192
02:54:22,983 --> 02:54:24,814
Will the defendants please rise?
2193
02:54:25,686 --> 02:54:27,449
The clerk will read the verdicts.
2194
02:54:28,088 --> 02:54:30,955
January 25, 1971...
2195
02:54:31,124 --> 02:54:36,562
... 17 months and 17 days after the murders
of the seven Tate and LaBianca victims.
2196
02:54:36,730 --> 02:54:39,221
''ln Superior Court of
the State of California...
2197
02:54:39,399 --> 02:54:41,333
...for the County of Los Angeles...
2198
02:54:41,735 --> 02:54:45,102
...the People of the State of
California v. Charles Manson...
2199
02:54:45,272 --> 02:54:49,333
...Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins
and Leslie Van Houten...
2200
02:54:49,510 --> 02:54:54,846
...case number A-253156,
Department 104...
2201
02:54:55,482 --> 02:54:59,475
...we, the jury, in the above entitled action,
find the defendant...
2202
02:54:59,653 --> 02:55:03,248
...Charles Manson, guilty of the crime
of murder of Abigail Folger...
2203
02:55:03,423 --> 02:55:07,257
...in violation of Section 187,
Penal Code of California.
2204
02:55:07,628 --> 02:55:10,495
A felony, as charged in count one
of the indictment...
2205
02:55:10,664 --> 02:55:14,464
...and we further find it to be
murder of the first degree.''
2206
02:55:15,302 --> 02:55:18,362
Susan Atkins, guilty of
conspiracy to commit murder...
2207
02:55:18,539 --> 02:55:21,133
...and seven counts of
murder in the first degree.
2208
02:55:21,308 --> 02:55:24,106
Leslie Van Houten,
conspiracy to commit murder...
2209
02:55:24,278 --> 02:55:26,769
...and two counts of
murder in the first degree.
2210
02:55:26,947 --> 02:55:30,212
Patricia Krenwinkel, guilty of
conspiracy to commit murder...
2211
02:55:30,384 --> 02:55:33,182
...and seven counts of murder
in the first degree.
2212
02:55:35,255 --> 02:55:37,246
The penalty phase of the trial begins.
2213
02:55:37,424 --> 02:55:41,383
The issue is whether they will receive
life in prison or the death penalty.
2214
02:55:41,562 --> 02:55:43,894
The defense seeks
to bring circumstances...
2215
02:55:44,064 --> 02:55:48,592
...background, remorse and the possibility
of rehabilitation to the jury's attention.
2216
02:55:48,769 --> 02:55:50,236
Susan...
2217
02:55:50,938 --> 02:55:56,001
...were you personally involved with
the Tate and LaBianca homicides?
2218
02:55:59,479 --> 02:56:00,707
Yes.
2219
02:56:01,949 --> 02:56:04,679
Did you ever feel any remorse?
2220
02:56:06,587 --> 02:56:08,316
Remorse?
2221
02:56:08,589 --> 02:56:11,080
For doing what was right to me?
2222
02:56:13,427 --> 02:56:15,918
l have no guilt in me.
2223
02:56:19,299 --> 02:56:24,760
Leslie, do you feel as if you wanted
to cry for what happened?
2224
02:56:27,874 --> 02:56:29,933
Cry for her death?
2225
02:56:30,110 --> 02:56:31,475
Why?
2226
02:56:31,645 --> 02:56:33,909
She's not the only person who has died.
2227
02:56:34,748 --> 02:56:37,216
Well, do you think about it
from time to time?
2228
02:56:39,620 --> 02:56:41,952
Only when l'm in the courtroom.
2229
02:56:57,638 --> 02:56:59,435
l'm the devil...
2230
02:56:59,606 --> 02:57:01,733
...and the devil always shaves his head.
2231
02:57:02,809 --> 02:57:04,037
Bugliosi...
2232
02:57:05,379 --> 02:57:07,006
...if l get the death penalty...
2233
02:57:07,180 --> 02:57:10,206
...there's gonna be bloodletting,
because l won't take it.
2234
02:57:10,384 --> 02:57:15,014
There's already been a lot of bloodletting,
Charlie. That's what we're trying to stop.
2235
02:57:21,061 --> 02:57:22,426
Vince.
2236
02:57:23,964 --> 02:57:25,864
Did you hear about Terry Milik?
2237
02:57:26,033 --> 02:57:30,163
They found him, face-down in a pool of
water with his head wedged under a rock.
2238
02:57:30,337 --> 02:57:32,635
And that's only the beginning.
2239
02:57:37,811 --> 02:57:41,713
l don't see how you people do this
without letting me put up some defense.
2240
02:57:41,882 --> 02:57:46,717
You people ain't got no authority over me!
Half of you in here ain't as good as l am!
2241
02:57:46,887 --> 02:57:48,855
You ain't gonna outlive this, old man!
2242
02:57:49,022 --> 02:57:52,423
You ain't gonna outlive this, old man!
You're gonna die, you hear?
2243
02:57:52,592 --> 02:57:55,686
You're gonna die!
You're gonna die!
2244
02:57:56,396 --> 02:57:58,296
You're gonna die!
2245
02:57:58,899 --> 02:58:03,199
''We, the jury, in the above entitled action,
having found the defendant...
2246
02:58:03,370 --> 02:58:06,168
...guilty of murder in the first degree...
2247
02:58:06,339 --> 02:58:08,773
...as charged in count one
of the indictment...
2248
02:58:08,942 --> 02:58:11,809
...do now fix the penalty as death.''
2249
02:58:12,512 --> 02:58:14,275
You have just judged yourselves.
2250
02:58:14,448 --> 02:58:17,281
You better lock your doors
and watch your own kids.
2251
02:58:17,451 --> 02:58:19,885
Your system's a game,
you blind, stupid people.
2252
02:58:20,053 --> 02:58:22,146
Your children will turn against you.
2253
02:58:22,322 --> 02:58:24,756
lt's death for all defendants.
2254
02:58:25,425 --> 02:58:28,656
Death! That's what you're all gonna get!
2255
02:58:39,239 --> 02:58:41,139
Mr. Bugliosi?
2256
02:58:41,908 --> 02:58:43,273
Yeah, Charlie.
2257
02:58:43,443 --> 02:58:45,673
Can l talk to you for a minute?
2258
02:58:46,012 --> 02:58:49,311
-We're gonna get him upstairs, Mr. Bugliosi.
-That's okay, Joe.
2259
02:58:49,483 --> 02:58:51,917
l don't think we'll be
seeing each other again.
2260
02:58:56,189 --> 02:58:58,589
l don't have no hard feelings.
2261
02:58:59,292 --> 02:59:01,021
Thank you, Charlie.
2262
02:59:01,228 --> 02:59:03,696
You done a remarkable job.
2263
02:59:04,064 --> 02:59:07,556
You gave me a fair trial,
just like you promised.
2264
02:59:08,535 --> 02:59:11,698
And l ain't bitter about
having to go back in.
2265
02:59:12,038 --> 02:59:14,836
lt's always been my home anyhow.
2266
02:59:15,175 --> 02:59:17,234
What about death, Charlie?
2267
02:59:17,511 --> 02:59:19,240
What about it?
2268
02:59:20,147 --> 02:59:23,207
l told you, l'm already dead.
2269
02:59:24,151 --> 02:59:27,416
And while l'm waiting around
to take the other form...
2270
02:59:27,888 --> 02:59:31,517
...l got steady chow. lt ain't great,
but it's better than garbage.
2271
02:59:32,626 --> 02:59:36,892
l don't gotta work if l don't want to,
so l got plenty of time to play my guitar.
2272
02:59:37,597 --> 02:59:39,292
You know...
2273
02:59:40,300 --> 02:59:42,632
...you beat a man with a whip...
2274
02:59:43,103 --> 02:59:45,230
...and he likes the whip...
2275
02:59:48,175 --> 02:59:51,372
...you're just making a fool
out of yourself, partner.
2276
02:59:52,546 --> 02:59:56,915
-Aren't you gonna miss the girls?
-l don't need broads.
2277
02:59:57,184 --> 02:59:59,414
There's plenty of sex in prison.
2278
03:00:00,754 --> 03:00:03,245
You still think the black man's
gonna take over?
2279
03:00:04,891 --> 03:00:07,655
l may have put a clog in that one.
2280
03:00:08,395 --> 03:00:11,159
ln other words, the trial alerted whitey.
2281
03:00:11,698 --> 03:00:13,222
Yeah.
2282
03:00:13,767 --> 03:00:17,430
But l almost did it, didn't l?
l almost pulled it off, almost made it.
2283
03:00:18,438 --> 03:00:20,599
No, Charlie, you weren't even close.
2284
03:00:21,374 --> 03:00:24,002
You killed some people,
that's what you did.
2285
03:00:24,177 --> 03:00:26,008
You accomplished murder.
2286
03:00:26,279 --> 03:00:30,716
You took a bunch of sad kids,
human flotsam...
2287
03:00:30,884 --> 03:00:33,478
...and you played
jailhouse games on them.
2288
03:00:34,054 --> 03:00:35,487
That's it, Charlie.
2289
03:00:35,655 --> 03:00:38,055
You're not even important anymore.
2290
03:00:59,646 --> 03:01:02,342
On February 18th, 1972...
2291
03:01:02,515 --> 03:01:07,418
...the California State Supreme Court voted
to abolish the death penalty in California.
2292
03:01:07,587 --> 03:01:10,750
The death sentences of the killers
in the Manson Family...
2293
03:01:10,924 --> 03:01:13,825
...were automatically reduced
to life imprisonment.
2294
03:01:13,994 --> 03:01:15,461
Manson himself...
2295
03:01:15,629 --> 03:01:20,362
...becomes eligible to apply
for parole in 1978.
2296
03:01:21,635 --> 03:01:26,163
Susan Atkins, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2297
03:01:27,007 --> 03:01:31,842
Patricia Krenwinkel, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2298
03:01:33,079 --> 03:01:37,448
Leslie Van Houten, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2299
03:01:38,118 --> 03:01:43,351
Charles Tex Watson, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2300
03:01:43,890 --> 03:01:48,623
Bobby Beausoleil, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2301
03:01:49,262 --> 03:01:52,720
Meanwhile, other Family members,
some implicated in one or more...
2302
03:01:52,899 --> 03:01:55,766
...of the 35 killings admitted
by Charles Manson...
2303
03:01:55,936 --> 03:01:59,303
...are right now either at liberty
or awaiting parole.
2304
03:02:02,542 --> 03:02:04,737
With Charles Manson in jail...
2305
03:02:04,911 --> 03:02:08,244
...does an era of madness
now come to an end?
2306
03:02:08,548 --> 03:02:12,712
Or will the social compost heap
from which he sprang produce other...
2307
03:02:12,886 --> 03:02:16,378
...perhaps more virulent strains
of Mansonism?
2308
03:02:17,123 --> 03:02:20,991
Are there many more?
Perhaps hundreds, or even thousands...
2309
03:02:21,161 --> 03:02:26,030
...of young Mansons germinating in
the same hotbed that gave birth to Charlie?
2310
03:02:26,199 --> 03:02:30,932
And will they be more antisocial,
more aberrant than the original?
2311
03:03:49,783 --> 03:03:50,772
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