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[ suspenseful music plays ]

My god.

Narrator:
A beloved grandmother

Is found viciously
stabbed to death.

No, please!
This little old lady.

What has she done
to anyone

In her whole life?

What kind of a monster
would do this?

To crack the case,
a young joe kenda must wade

Through a swamp of false leads
and dirty dealings...

What's that
on your pants?

How nice. Family
that drinks together

Stays together, I suppose.

...And unearth
a fiendish plot

To kill a helpless victim.

He had a fetish
and he needed control.

♪

[ rattling ]

Welcome to homicide,
kenda.

It's a disgusting
business.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

You're trying to put
together a giant puzzle.

You have a million pieces,
and maybe only need 300,

So you have to figure out
which one fits where.

♪

There's one thing
that never changes -- murder.

A life has been taken.

Their stories
are now my stories.

I never know where a case
is going to lead,

But I'll never stop
until it's solved.

Somebody has to look out
for the victim.

If you kill, I will find you.

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Captions paid for by
discovery communications

♪

This is 1979

And charles jackson is driving
to his grandmother's house.

[ cranks
emergency brake ]

♪

Charles called on her
a little earlier.

Did not get an answer.

This worried him, so he decided
to check in on her.

♪

♪

Grandma!

♪

[ jingling ]

♪

Grandma?

It's charlie!

Grandma!

Are you here?

Grandma!

[ liquid dripping ]

What the hell?!

♪

There are dishes in the sink
and there's a faucet dripping,

Both of which
are very unlike her.

♪

[ knock-knock ]
are you here?

[ click ]

♪

And it's unspeakable.

Oh, my --
oh, my god!

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

♪

Narrator:
Just a few miles away,

Rookie detective joe kenda
is settling nicely

Into his new role
with colorado springs pd.

Nice job on that
interro, kenda.

Thanks, lou.
I appreciate that.

You're really
coming along.

In late August of 1979,

I was a detective in this
crimes against persons unit.

Hey, boys!
Just got a call

About a body
out on east monument.

Smit, ready
for another one?

-You got it.
-It's all yours.

So this particular case,

Lou smit was the person assigned
as the lead detective.

Smit was extremely experienced
and was a phenomenal detective.

You need any help
with that?

Oh, I'm sure
I will.

Meet me at the scene
when you can.

Okay.
See you soon.

♪

[ siren wailing ]
narrator: Within minutes,

Detective lou smit
arrives on scene.

♪

When smit arrives,
it's the usual circus

Of marked units and all
the chaos that goes on

When you arrive
at a homicide scene.

Evening, detective.

Huntley.
Clue me in.

Victim is
an 85-year-old

Elderly female named
kathryn simpson.

Heart attack?

I'm afraid not.

Her grandson
found her inside

With multiple
stab wounds.

Scene is
pretty gruesome.

Alright.

Well,
let's take a look.

[ siren wailing ]

[ door creaks ]

♪

No sign
of forced entry?

None that I can tell.

♪

[ camera shutter clicks ]

This belong
to the victim?

Yes, sir.

♪

She's got
over 50 bucks here.

The victim's purse
does not appear disturbed

And the first deduction
you might get out of that is

This doesn't appear
to be a robbery.

♪

What's this?

♪

There's a pair of women's
underwear on the floor.

This could just be
misplaced, but,

Let's make sure
we bag that

In case it plays
into what happened.

[ radio chatter ]

When he goes
into that kitchen,

He sees some dirty
dishes in the sink.

♪

He also sees a blue apron
on the floor

That appears to be
damaged, slightly.

Let's make sure we bag
this as well.

Yes, sir.

Noticing underwear
and a torn apron

In the kitchen,
you're starting to think

This is possibly some kind
of personal attack.

Where's the body?

It's in the bedroom.
This way.

♪

My god.

This was a very
gruesome scene.

The victim had been stabbed
multiple times,

Was laying on the bed.

There is a pair of scissors
planted in her chest

All the way up to the handles.

Poor lady.

♪

Her dress is torn and her
slip is above her waist.

There is no
underwear present.

Indicates the likelihood
of sexual assault is very great.

What is that
under her?

♪

Is that a yardstick?

What the hell?

That seems very odd.

Why would this yardstick be

Underneath her
on this bed?

♪

The body's
still warm, too.

So this is a very fresh case.
[ camera shutter clicks ]

She's only been dead
a short period of time.

Who did you say
discovered the body?

Victim's grandson.

I think maybe I should
probably speak with him.

Right this way.

The obvious concern is

[ camera shutter clicks ]
you have a little old lady.

She's been assaulted
and murdered in her own home.

What kind of a monster
would do this?

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
it just doesn't make sense.

♪

Mr. Jackson,
I'm detective smit.

Hi.

I'm very sorry

For what happened
to your grandmother.

Charles is, of course,
immensely distressed.

He has seen what has happened

To his grandmother.

Can you tell me
about your grandmother?

Were you close
with her?

[ chuckle ]

Yeah, we were
really close.

She [sniffle] basically
raised my brother and I.

He informs smit that she's lived
in colorado springs since 1920

And she's been
in this particular house

For over 20 years.

She was
85 years old,

But, you
couldn't tell.

She stays active,
tending her garden out back,

Especially her prized tomatoes,

So she's not an invalid,
by any means.

Did she say
anything was wrong

When you talked
with her?

No.

Everything was fine.

And then, when I tried
to get a hold of her

This afternoon,
she didn't answer.

What was a typical
day like

For your grandmother?

Mr. Jackson said
that his grandmother

Was a creature of habit.

She would eat her dinner
at 4:00 in the afternoon

And would immediately
do the dishes.

Looking at the scene,

We see that the dishes
haven't been done.

♪

Aaaah!

Ah!

Aaaaaaah!

She was probably attacked

While she was in the act
of cleaning up,

Which would've been shortly
after 4:00 that afternoon.

Thank you for your
time, charles,

And I promise
we're gonna find

Who did this
to your grandmother.

Thank you.

♪

How you doing?

Kenda, you're
just in time.

So what can I do?

Help me canvass
this neighborhood.

It's likely
the suspect went in

Through the back
of the house.

We need to find out
if someone saw or heard

Anything suspicious.

That makes sense.

This was a small community,
a little neighborhood.

They keep an eye out
for one another.

So we're hoping
somebody saw something.

♪

We can start
with that guy.

♪

Smit looks at the house
next door

And sees a man sitting
on the porch,

Drinking a beer,

Obviously taking in the
activity of the police.

♪

[ radio chatter ]

♪

Evening, detectives.

You live here?

No. Housesitting
for my parents.

They're out east
on vacation.

I'm detective smit.

This is
detective kenda.

James ducoin.

What happened over there?

Well, that's what we're
trying to figure out.

Did you happen to see
any strange activity

In mrs. Simpson's
house today?

Mm...

Nope.
Can't say that I did.

He says he remembers
seeing kathryn simpson

In her backyard, gardening,
which he says is her habit,

And he became sleepy and he
went inside and took a nap

And he was awakened
by the police activities.

What time would you say
you took that nap?

Oh, about 3:00 or so.

Sir!

What's up, dan?

We got a call.
Potential suspect

In a park
down the street.

Okay.

Thank you for your
time, mr. Ducoin.

If you should happen
to remember

Anything else you saw,
you give us a call.

Will do.

[ siren wailing ]
[ radio chatter ]

Kenda:
When smit talks to this guy,
smit gets that old feeling.

There's something
about james ducoin

That just isn't quite right

And smit makes
a mental note of that.

♪

I'm gonna go
check this out.

Continue canvassing
the area, will you?

You got it.

So, detective smit responds
to the neighborhood park,

Where patrol officers
are holding

A underage 17-year-old male.

♪

What's your name,
son?

Cole.

Cole?
Cole what?

Cole michaels.

This guy looks like
he's been drinking.

He's a little bewildered,
a little disheveled.

He doesn't know
what's going on.

What are you doing
out here

By yourself,
mr. Michaels?

Uh --

Wait a minute.

What's that
on your pants?

Oh, I --

Looks like blood.

This is really starting
to pique our interest

Because, obviously,
we have a bloody scene

And the person who did this
did not walk away

Without any blood on 'em.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

Yeah, I-I cut myself.

Oh, yeah.

On what?

Kenda:
Who is he?

Is he just some kid

Who has an injury
from some other source?

♪

Or is he a murderer

Who killed a little old lady
in a house next door?

[ suspenseful music plays ]

♪

We're investigating the brutal
homicide of kathryn simpson,

Who has been stabbed to death
with a pair of scissors

And possibly sexually
assaulted in the process,

And we have found a young man,
drunk, with blood on his jeans,

In very close proximity
to this home.

Narrator:
A quick records check reveals

A bench warrant out
for cole michaels's arrest.

Kenda:
So they inform cole
he's under arrest

And take him in
to police headquarters

And question him further
about this murder.

♪

Put your hands
on the table

Like this,
palms down.

Ritz:
This individual

[ camera shutter clicking ]
was 17 years old.

Flip them over.

Colorado law states
that a minor can't willingly

Or knowingly waive his rights
without a parent being present.

Kenda:
While they're waiting
for the mom to show up,

They are permitted to take
evidence from this person,

So they're taking photographs
of his injuries.

They're also swabbing
his hands,

To see what they may find
in a laboratory,

As to what may be on his hands.

Narrator:
Within the hour,
cole michaels' mother

Arrives at the station

And grants an interview
with police.

So you think my son is
involved in a murder?

Quite possibly.

Cole, is he serious?!

Mom, I didn't do
anything.

I-I swear I didn't.

For anyone who's had
a teenager,

This is like
your worst nightmare.

Your son was found
sleeping on a park bench

With blood on his clothing,

Less than four blocks
from a murder scene.

I would like to know
why that is.

You told me you were
staying with your brother!

I was!
But he and I --

He --

Look, okay, cole,

Just why don't you start
by telling us

Exactly what
happened today.

Okay.

This individual explained
that, on this particular day,

He'd worked 'til about 3:00.

After work, he went out
drinking with his friends,

'til about 1:00,

At which time he went
to the park to sleep

And that's where
he was contacted.

He tells smit, "I've been
staying with my brother..."

♪

"...But we got in an argument
and he threw me out

And I've been sleeping
in the park

For the last couple nights."

Unbelievable!

You should've told me!

Instead, you're
sleeping in a park

Like a wild animal
and --

Okay, cole.

Then what happened?

I-I fell asleep
at the park.

The next thing I know,
officers are --

Are shining a light
in my face and --

So you went directly
to the park

After being downtown?

Yeah.

And you didn't
stop someplace?

No, no.

And this cut
on your hand?

I got it at work
yesterday.

I must've nicked it
again today.

Now, this kid has an explanation
for his whereabouts,

But is it true?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Smit's not gonna
just believe him.

Narrator:
Detective smit calls the lab,

To see if the samples
taken from cole earlier

Corroborate his story.

Okay.

Thanks for calling.

Kenda:
None of his samples match
anything found

At the crime scene.

♪

So there is nothing
to connect him to this offense,

Other than proximity,
which is not enough.

Narrator:
With his first lead a bust,

Detective smit hopes the autopsy
might turn up new evidence.

[ door opens ]

Okay, doc,
whatcha got?

Well, no surprises,

In terms of what
killed our victim.

Cause of death is
from internal bleeding

From multiple stab wounds
to the chest.

We did notice
something interesting,

Regarding evidence
of a sexual assault.

Oh, yeah?
What's that?

There isn't any.

What?!
You're kidding.

That seems very odd.

If you're gonna tear clothing
and remove underwear,

What is it that you're doing?

How often do you see

Clothing disturbed
like that

And no evidence
of sexual assault?

Hardly ever.

So maybe his attempt

Was disturbed
by something.

That's very possible.
This perpetrator may have had

One thing in mind
and it got changed

And, in a fit of rage,
he kills her and he runs.

Thank you
for this, doc.

You bet.
Good luck.

The autopsy results raise
even more questions

About this person.

Who is this?

What is this?

♪

Hey, lou.

Call just came in
for you.

Who is it?

Charles jackson.
Says he's the grandson

Of last night's
murder vic.

I'll take that.
Okay.

♪

Hey, charles.

Detective smit.

Hi, detective.

What's going on?

So, I don't know
if this is relevant

Or not, but, uh,
my brother and I were

Going through my
grandmother's finances

And we found something

That's a little
bit strange.

Charles notices that she
has not deposited any

Of her stock dividends
or social security checks

For the last two years,
and this is a little unusual.

Two years?!
Any idea how much

Money that might be?

It looks to be

Somewhere around
$5,000 or $6,000.

So she would cash her checks
and she would keep the money

In first national bank
manila envelopes.

Any idea where
she mighta kept it?

Well, whenever I'd take
her grocery shopping,

She would usually go
into her bedroom

And get money out
from under the dresser.

Her dresser?
So,

How does a little
old lady like that

Stuff cash way
under there?

It's actually
kinda funny.

She would

Use a yardstick.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

Smit almost dropped
the phone.

He'd been wondering
all along

Why there's a yardstick
on the bed.

This is actually
very helpful.

Thank you.

Knowing that she kept money
under the dresser,

We had to go back and examine

And we found out
that it was gone.

Kenda:
So, now, smit understands
more about this event.

It still doesn't explain
why he disrobed her,

But he attacked and killed her
after he got the money.

So why look in the purse?

You've got 5 grand,
in cash,

So you don't need
to look in the purse.

You need to run
before somebody finds you.

Narrator:
Meanwhile, kenda hopes that
recanvassing the neighborhood

Can turn up new leads.

Do you remember
any suspicious activity

Over at kathryn's house,
people going in and out?

Myself and my partner
were assisting smit

In this investigation,
trying to locate witnesses.

No.

I was out of the house
most of the day.

My wife wasn't
home, either.

Okay. What about
unfamiliar faces

In the neighborhood.
Anything like that?

I haven't seen anybody
like that.

But, there is somebody

That I've been
a little worried about.

And who's that?

His name's darrell.

A number of people
in the neighborhood

Have had their houses
broken into recently

And I think he's
the one doing it.

They identified this individual
as a white male in his forties

And what they really
were concerned about is

That he supposedly
always carries a handgun.

He definitely gives me
the creeps.

Do you know
where darrell lives?

Yeah. He's just
down the street.

The blue house.

-Okay.
-Thank you for your help.

♪

Let's go see darrell

And see what value
he may have in this case.

[ knocking ]

Man:
Buddy, but I'm telling you

There's nothing better.
-Can I help you?

What they find
when they get there is

Some highly
intoxicated individuals

Partying early in midday.

♪

Morning, gentlemen.

What can I do for you?

It's not a crime to be drunk
at 11:00 in the morning.

Could he be drinking
that early

Because he's in celebration

Of $5,000 coming
into his possession?

Is he a potential killer?
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

[ suspenseful music plays ]

♪

We're investigating the death
of kathryn simpson,

An 85-year-old woman
brutally stabbed to death,

When my partner and I
discover this individual

Who has been named
by neighbors

As a prowler that hangs around
in this neighborhood.

Darrell, we need you
to tell us

Where you were
yesterday afternoon.

Yesterday?

I was here, most of the day.
Woman: Ugh!

Doing what?

You know, throwing a couple
back with my mom and pops.

How nice.
Family that drinks together

Stays together, I suppose.

Were you here
all day?

No. I went down to the
dog track around 3:00 or so.

That's usually what I do.

The dog track
in colorado springs

Was a greyhound dog racing track
with limited stakes gambling.

Did you go there
with anybody?

No.
I was there by myself.

What are you asking me
all these questions for?

Darrell, we need to know
where you were

When your neighbor
kathryn simpson was killed.

That old lady?

No, I ain't have nothing
to do with that.

Is there anyone
that can verify

You were
at the dog park?

♪

You know, I think I have

A betting slip
around here somewhere.

Let me -- let me check.
I'll be right back.

Stay there.

♪

-Ugh!
-[speaking indistinctly]

It's in here somewhere.

[ woman protesting ]

♪

There it is.

Here!

They show a time stamp
for the day of the murder

Where he's gambling
from 3:00 pm in the afternoon

Until they close
at 9:00 that night.

♪

Happy?

Thank you, darrell.
We appreciate it.

Yeah, yeah.

Hey, mom!
-What did you do?!

So, darrell is
interesting, pathetic,

A drunk, and maybe a burglar,
but he's not a killer.

He has no opportunity
to commit this crime.

Narrator:
With leads disappearing
before his eyes,

Smit joins the canvass in hopes
of drumming up a new one.

Excuse me.

Is this about kathryn?

Yes.

Any of these neighbors

Have any issues
with kathryn?

No. I can't imagine
that anyone

Would have a problem
with her.

But, I do remember

She complained
about a neighbor of hers.

She did explain that kathryn
complained to her numerous times

That the people who were living
next to her were very weird.

Weird?

Especially the son.

She had a bad feeling
about the son.

Do you know the name?

I don't remember
the parents' names,

But the son was james.

James ducoin.

♪

This is the very same fellow

That smit had this
awkward feeling about,

The guy sitting on the porch,
drinking beer next door --

James ducoin.

♪

Now, we're getting information

That detective smit's feelings
probably were justified.

Something doesn't add up
with this individual.

It's time to go back
and talk to him.

♪

[ knocking ]

♪

Can I help you?

Detective smit,
cspd.

Yeah?

Is james ducoin here?

Uh, no. Um --

I'm colin,
his brother.

This is my wife,
lydia.

Hi.

Do you know
where your brother is?

No. We've been trying
to figure that out
ourselves.

Colin says, "we came over
to clean the house

Before my parents return
from their vacation,

But we find that it was
already clean when we arrived.

James is gone
and all of his stuff is gone."

Any idea where
he may have gone?

No, I mean, he didn't
leave a note or anything.

He couldn't have
went far. He's broke.

Colin says he doesn't
have a car.

He doesn't have any money
to call a cab.

He doesn't have anything.

Why are you looking
for him, anyway?

Is this about the old lady
next door?

Lydia pipes up and says
that she had read

About this homicide
in the paper

And she started getting
a bad feeling

And was concerned
that he may be involved.

Why do you say that?

Well, he's had some issues
with the law before.

In fact, he just got
out of jail

In pueblo
not too long ago.

For what?

Sexual assault.

Every alarm that smit
has in his head

Is going off
about james ducoin.

How did he get gone?

He didn't have any money.

He's been in jail
for sexual assault.

Mr. Ducoin is not just
a person of interest, now.

He's a suspect.

♪

Last name is ducoin,
d-u-c-o-I-n.

Following up with pueblo pd,
as to james' original charges,

We find out that he was
released about 10 days ago.

He's supposed to contact his
probation officer in five days.

If he checks in with
that probation officer,

I'm gonna need you guys
to hold him, okay?

Okay.
Thanks a lot, john.

Special delivery.

I just barely beat
the garbage truck.

Bring it to the
conference room.

At this point, the case is
starting to focus more on james.

We knew that he just
cleaned up the house, so,

One possible area where we
might find some evidence is

In the trash.

Okay, dump it.

Here?

Yeah,
right on the table.

Dump it out.

♪

Ugh! Man.

Welcome to homicide,
kenda.

It's a disgusting
business.

Get used to it.

You dump the trash
on the table

And you go through it
one piece at a time.

Not the glamorous part
of the occupation.

♪

Ervin:
Garbage is like hieroglyphics.

You can find out
a lotta stuff from garbage.

[ clanking ]

Ugh!

Gross.

Kenda:
Criminals aren't very bright.

They tend to throw things away
that might incriminate them

Or demonstrate
their involvement in a crime.

♪

Whaddya got there?

It's an envelope
and it looks like

It's been burnt.

What kind of envelope?

The kind you get money
from a bank in.

♪

Another one right here.

♪

Well, my, my, my.

Now, what are you doing
with those,

Jimmy?
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

[ suspenseful music plays ]

♪

We have focused on an individual
who lives next door

As the prime suspect
in the case --

One james ducoin --

And we have discovered that
he may have destroyed evidence

Before vacating his house.

So we sit down and reason
that, if he has no car,

How does he leave the property?

He calls a cab
'cause, now, he has money.

So we go to the cab
companies in town.

♪

I'm not seeing anything
in that area on the 29th.

What about the 30th?

♪

Okay. Here we go.

I'm seeing a pickup
on east monument

Around 8:45 am.

They find out that they did
pick up an individual

At the residence
where james was living

And took him over to the area
garden of the gods.

That's gotta be him.

What's the exact address
where he was dropped off?

I'm actually
not seeing one.

It looks like he
was just dropped off

At the intersection

Of garden
of the gods road

And nevada avenue.

He could've been
going anywhere.

The frustrating part
of that is

That was mostly
small retail shops,

So it's like, "okay,
needle in a haystack here."

We could get a canvass
started of the area.

It's gonna take some time,
but I suppose we might as well.

Thank you for your help.

Sure thing.

♪

Narrator:
While kenda and other
investigators

Scour garden of the gods
for a witness,

Detective smit locates another
potentially helpful source.

Lucy, thank you
for agreeing

To see me today.
No problem.

While we're doing
the cab thing,

Smit is trying to locate
any known associates.

When people run, they'd
contact people they know.

So, smit finds his ex-wife.

After we got divorced,
I...

Basically cut off
all contact.

Why was that?

He couldn't control
his drinking.

I put up with it
for awhile, but,

Then, he started
getting, um,

Pretty violent.

She said, "at one point,

He held me at knifepoint
for two hours.

Said he was gonna
cut my throat."

Oh, that's nice.

Anything else?

It wasn't just
the violence.

He was also into some
pretty weird stuff,

Sexually.

♪

What do you mean?

[ siren wailing in distance ]

♪

Ervin:
So, at this point,
the story takes

A really creepy
and interesting twist.

She said he had taken her

To one of the few hotels,
at that time,

That showed
pornographic movies.

[ eerie music plays ]

♪

[ woman crying out ]

[ moaning ]

And he tied her
to the bed for two hours

While he attempted
to masturbate,

With, essentially,
no success.

[ moaning ]
[ huffing ]

So, when that
would happen,

Would he
become violent?

No, he would just get
really frustrated.

So how does all that fit
together with our crime scene,

Where we have a woman
forcibly disrobed

And no evidence
of sexual assault?

The obvious conclusion is

Mr. Ducoin is not capable
of sexual assault.

Even though he may have
the desire,

He doesn't have the ability.

Do you remember
the name of that motel?

Yeah.
It's the pink panther,

Over on
nevada avenue.

By garden of the gods.

Well, isn't that
interesting.

The day after the murder,
he's dropped within a block

Of the pink panther motel
by a cab driver.

So, smit immediately
gets in his car

And heads for the pink panther,

To see if they have a record
of james ducoin getting a room.

Ducoin,
d-u-c-o-I-n.

Nothing with the
name ducoin,

But, to be honest,
I doubt he woulda

Checked in
under his real name.

Most guys don't.

What about a face?
Do you recognize him?

[chuckling]
oh, yeah, sure.

I remember this guy.

He was here a coupla
nights this week.

James had stayed there
the 30th and the 31st.

That would've been the day
after the murder

And the subsequent day
after that.

How'd he pay
for his room?

Cash. He slipped me
a couple extra bucks

To turn the pornos
on early.

Did you happen to notice

If he had a fair amount
of cash on him?

Oh, yeah.
He had to have.

I saw one of them
call girls going

In and out of his room
a couple of times,

And they ain't cheap.

For a man who was broke,
where did he get this money?

We're thinking he got it

From the little old lady
that he murdered.

Narrator:
While the circumstances point

To james ducoin murdering
kathryn simpson,

Smit would feel
much more comfortable

If he had some hard evidence
to back it up.

[ suspenseful music plays ]

Hey, lou.

What's going on,
kenda?

Got some news back
from the lab.

They examined those
burnt envelopes.

Guess where
they came from.

First national bank,
the same bank

That kathryn simpson
cashed her checks at.

Well, I'll be damned.

Let's go to the judge
and get an arrest warrant.

So, now, there's no doubt
in our minds

That james ducoin is
our killer.

Now, it's a matter
of running him to ground.

We're gonna find him
and arrest him

For first-degree murder.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

Narrator:
But investigators quickly learn

That might be easier
said than done.

In the course
of hunting him down,

We find his sister
in california,

Who says that she got a phone
call from james ducoin,

From a pay phone in florida.

What does that mean to us?

Mr. Ducoin has crossed
a state line.

Narrator:
But, sadly, investigators fail
to find james ducoin

And the case goes cold.

There are some cases
that are so disgusting

And so abhorrent
and so violent...

♪

...That they don't
ever go away.

They just don't.

And kathryn simpson
is one of those cases.

It just bothered me
to no end.

Where are you,
you son of a bitch?

Where are you?

♪

♪

So, 12 years on
from this event,

I am now a supervisor
in homicide.

[ ring ]

This is kenda.

The phone rings
in my office

And it's the fbi.

Ducoin? Yeah, of course
I remember that one.

♪

You're kidding.

No, no, I'll send
someone down right away.

Thank you.

♪

-Huh.
-They had found james ducoin

In new orleans,
louisiana.

Finally, the long arm
of the law has reached out

And tapped james ducoin
on the shoulder.

You are responsible
for murdering a little old lady.

You thought we forgot.

But we don't forget.

And we don't forgive.
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

[ suspenseful music plays ]

♪

The case of kathryn simpson
being murdered and robbed,

It goes on for 12 years.

We had identified
the perpetrator as james ducoin,

But we couldn't find him.

Then, in 1991, he gets found.

♪

[ knock-knock ]
afternoon, lieutenant.

You wanted to see me?

Hey, steve.
You heard about the arrest

Of that cold case suspect
down in new orleans?

Absolutely.

Detective smit had retired

From the police department,
at that point, so,

There was no way he could
get involved in it.

Detective wood was
in homicide, at the time,

And wood had an excellent
talent for interrogation.

Alright. Go get yourself
up to speed

On the case file.
Your flight leaves

First thing
tomorrow morning.

Yes, sir.

♪

So wood goes to new orleans,
meets up with an fbi agent.

They go to the field office
where ducoin is being held.

You've already spoken
with ducoin?

Briefly, right after
we arrested him.

When the fbi found him,

They did so because
mr. Ducoin had applied

For an identification
in the state of louisiana

And, for some reason,
he used his real name

And it popped up
in the fbi database.

♪

Mr. Ducoin,
I'm agent york.

This is detective wood.

Mm-hmm.

Mr. Ducoin,
I was wondering

If you might answer
a few questions for me.

About what?

About a little old lady
named kathryn simpson,

Found murdered
in colorado springs

In 1979.

♪

I don't know nothing
about that.

He completely denies any
knowledge of the investigation,

But detective wood continued
to work and talk to him.

How did you get
into her house?

I told you, man.

I have no idea what
you're talking about.

James --
can I call you james?

Why did you have
to stab

A little old lady
with scissors?

Do you think she
deserved that?

♪

I ain't a violent
person, man.

I didn't do that.

Maybe you're not now,

But you were then,
james.

It's gotta be
eating you up inside.

Why don't you
just let it out?

♪

[ shudder ]

Alright.

The hell with it.

Kenda:
Wood gets to him.

Takes him a while,
but he gets to him.

You got a cigarette?

♪

[ inhales ]

♪

[ exhaling ]

I remember I was outside,
having a drink,

And I saw the old broad

Putting around
in her garden.

♪

♪

And he thinks, you know,
"a little old lady like that

Probably has money squirreled
away in her house."

James ducoin
doesn't have 10 cents.

Later that day, I saw that
her back door was open.

I saw that
as my opportunity.

♪

♪

[ birds chirping ]

♪

♪

♪

Aaaaah!

Show me where
the money is.

Please, don't!

[ gasp ]

Where's the money?

Please, don't.

I-I got some in here.

Please
don't hurt me.

Oh!

♪

He says she doesn't
resist him.

She takes him
into the bedroom.

♪

♪

Damn.

♪

You got your own
little bank here.

He says that, when he's down,
working on these envelopes,

Kathryn simpson suddenly
starts screaming for help

In a really loud voice.

It startles him.

I tried
to quiet her down,

But I couldn't.

I panicked.

♪

I stabbed her.

♪

If you look at his story,
it's full of holes.

It doesn't fit the evidence
at the scene.

When investigators
found kathryn's body,

Her skirt was hiked up

And her underwear were
on the floor.

♪

Did you try to sexually
assault kathryn?

No.

No way.

♪

It's just

I hadn't seen a woman
in some time,

If you know
what I mean.

He tries to explain that
by saying

He was in jail for a while,
he just wanted to look,

So he pulled down the top
to expose the breasts

And he pulled up the bottom
and took off her panties

And threw 'em
in the living room.

James, that doesn't sound
all that believable to me.

♪

Well, I don't care
what you think.

That's what happened,
alright?

Kenda:
He confesses to this crime.

Is he willing
to tell wood everything?

No.

Criminals are very odd,
in that regard.

They will find certain things
that they won't admit to,

Certain things they don't
want you to know,

Certain things
that embarrasses them.

Get on the bed.

What?!

You got what you wanted.
Just go!

Not yet, I don't.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

♪

Aah! Help!

Oh! Help!
-What likely happened was

He had a fetish
and he needed control

And here he was
with this 85-year-old woman.

He was gonna get what she had
and dominate her

To the best of his ability
as he did that.

No, please, please!
Let go of me!

-Help!
-Shut your --

-Somebody help me!
-Shut up!

-Aah! Aah!
-Shut your damn mouth!

Help!

Help!
-Shut up!

[ crying out ]
kenda: There's a pair
of scissors

On top of the dresser.

Shut! Up!

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

He grabs the scissors

And he stabs her
seven times in the chest.

♪

Where did you go
after you killed her?

♪

Back to my parents'.

Took a bath,
fell asleep,

Woke up
to all the sirens.

Do you remember talking
to a detective smit?

I do.

He says smit
freaked him out.

♪

I burned
all the envelopes,

Cleaned the place up,
then I left.

So he left that house
the next day

And stayed and the
pink panther for two nights.

He bought a $70 bus ticket
in colorado springs.

Then, he went to florida
and stayed there for years.

I eventually made
my way to new orleans,

Under a fake name.

So what made you apply
for a license

Under your real name?

I was just tired,
you know.

He said he stayed
away from people

And he got very lonely
and he was distressed

At having to lie
about who he was.

I couldn't take it
anymore.

There are some people,
they won't admit it to you,

But they want to be punished.

They know what they did
was a horrible thing

And their guilt eats away
at them an inch at a time.

Narrator:
Although ducoin's confession
leaves much to be desired,

He is formally charged
with first-degree murder.

James ducoin pled guilty
to first-degree murder

And was sentenced
to life in prison.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

This case is an illustration
of why humans are so dangerous.

♪

This little old lady.

What has she done to anyone
in her whole life

To suffer a violent end
over a little bit of money?

It's insane.

It is insane,
what people will do,

And the more you see of it,
the more disgusted you become.

When you have a truly
innocent victim,

It becomes inspiring

To find who's responsible.
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]