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Let's go for it, guys.
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Sound... Rolling... Cameras...
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Okay.
-Okay?
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All rolling?
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Meeting Gorbachev,
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for a German,
is burdened by history.
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The Nazi invasion
left Russia a devastated country
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with some 25 million dead.
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Mikhail Gorbachev witnessed
the war as an adolescent.
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Okay.
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Mikhail Sergeyevich,
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please allow me
to explain myself.
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I'm a German,
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and the first German that you
probably met wanted to kill you.
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But he was the enemy.
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Months later
I still had my doubts.
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Did he just want to say
something nice to me?
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But during the last
of our three conversations
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spanning half a year,
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I understood that everything
about Gorbachev was genuine.
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In April 2018,
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we met again at the
headquarters of his foundation.
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To the left,
Andre Singer,
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with whom I have a long
history of collaborations.
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We had planned to meet Mikhail
Gorbachev a month earlier,
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but at that time
he was hospitalized.
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Having been released
a few days prior,
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he literally summoned us
to conclude our conversations.
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"Ah, you are trying to steal something
from my pocket", he says here.
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He had the great gifts to establish
an immediate rapport with people,
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here, our Russian sound man.
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And, Andre,
the real bribery!
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Shall we open it?
-Yeah, let's...
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This was
a belated birthday gift,
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all made by
a chocolatier in London,
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without any sugar,
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as one of the major health
issues of Mikhail Gorbachev
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was diabetes.
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It's chocolate.
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Sugar free.
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It's all chocolate.
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Don't take it away.
Don't take it away. Leave it there!
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And then this comes out
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and each of these
has chocolates inside.
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During transport,
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the G of his name
had broken off,
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which he accepted
with good humor.
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He was 87 years old now.
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So, you wouldn't
think this is yours?
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He was born in the North
Caucasus village of Privolnoe
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on March 2nd 1931
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as the son of peasants.
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Here in the village cemetery,
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all of his family
has been laid to rest.
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This is the grave of his father
Sergei Andreyevich,
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a highly-decorated
war veteran.
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In the summer of 1944,
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his mother received a letter,
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that Sergei had died
a hero's death at the front.
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But a few days later
a letter from him arrived,
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he was alive and well.
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A year later,
somebody ran up to Mikhail and cried,
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"Your father is coming.
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"At first,
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"I didn't believe it",
said Mikhail,
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"but then I saw him.
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"What we were feeling
is hard to describe.
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"He grabbed me and embraced me.
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"He said something that
I've remembered all my life,
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"we fought until we ran out of
fight, that's how you must live."
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His mother,
Maria Panteleevna,
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was strict
and strong-minded.
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She remained
illiterate all her life.
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In the beginning,
she had not wanted to marry his father.
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During his childhood,
until he went to school,
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he lived much of his time
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with his maternal grandparents,
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who treated him
with tenderness.
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Here, his home village
as it looks today.
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It is hard to imagine
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that from such a godforsaken
place in the middle of nowhere,
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one of the greatest leaders
of the 20th century emerged.
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Two of his uncles and one aunt died
here from starvation in the 1930s.
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He remembers that he would
spend nights in the stable,
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sleeping next to
a new-born calf,
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with a goose nearby
hatching an egg.
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His family moved from an isolated
farmhouse to this place in Privolnoe.
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You were smart as a kid.
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I read in your Memoirs
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that you could listen to the
harvester and strange sounds
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and you would know
what was going wrong.
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During their record harvest,
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they spent 20 hours a
day on their machine
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without stopping.
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They did this for a full week.
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Gorbachev's father insisted on
sharing his medal with his son.
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This was against the rules,
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and hence, young Mikhail only
received the second-highest medal
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for Soviet farmers.
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He also excelled in school.
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With a medal from school
for his exceptional grades,
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and the Order of
the Red Banner of Labour
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for his proletarian
achievements,
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Mikhail was,
without any entry exam,
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admitted to the most
prestigious school of them all,
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Moscow State University.
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He enrolled in law school
without exactly knowing why.
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He was deeply provincial
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and had to study hard
to catch up.
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He transformed himself into
a broadly knowledgeable man.
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Soon, he excelled
in academic studies
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and became a youth leader
for the entire school.
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Here, one of the rare photos of
him with two fellow students.
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Apart from hard studies,
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there was also fun,
socialist style.
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Here, a satire on the
decadent boogie-woogie,
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the dance
of the class enemy, America.
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During one of these events,
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he met the love
of his life, Raisa.
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Mikhail Gorbachev
graduated with highest honors.
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He applied to work
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for the state prosecutor's office
in Moscow but was turned down.
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He was told young lawyers had
to start out in the provinces.
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He asked to be sent
to his homeland,
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and began working in the
prosecutor's office in Stavropol,
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but soon he realized
this did not suit him.
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He chose
a political career instead.
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Quickly he rose in the ranks
of the young Communist League,
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the Komsomol.
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His rise was steady.
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Rather high up in the ranks,
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he wanted to know
under which conditions
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the poor peasants
lived and worked.
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He visited every outpost,
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and since most of the time there
was no car, he would hitch a truck.
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And when there was
no transportation at all,
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he would travel on foot,
for days.
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This was unheard of,
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a Communist apparatchik
never ever came on foot.
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The peasants adored him.
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Gorbachev introduced modern
mechanized methods in sheep-shearing,
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which soon were adopted throughout
the entire Soviet Union.
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He would
have the honor
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to hand over the flag
to the most outstanding brigade.
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Having attained the rank of party
boss in the Region of Stavropol,
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Gorbachev had
a colossal achievement
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by opening
the Great Stavropol Canal,
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a project Stalin
had tried in vain.
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The Politburo,
in Moscow, including Brezhnev,
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took notice of him.
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Presenting the October
Revolution Medal to Gorbachev,
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Brezhnev, already senile,
fumbles the ceremony.
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The microphone is open enough to pick up an
aide whispering Gorbachev's correct name,
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and Brezhnev then says,
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"What was it
we started over there, "
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and Gorbachev provides
the missing word, "canal."
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As a consequence
of this recognition,
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Gorbachev
was called to Moscow
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and appointed a Secretary
of the Central Committee.
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The Soviet Union
was in full decline.
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Long queues formed,
but the stores were empty.
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Gorbachev describes that errors in
centralized planning and distribution
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aggravated the situation.
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Rural areas
had fallen into oblivion,
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peasants abandoned
their villages for the city,
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which made the situation
even more dire.
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Gorbachev, curious by nature,
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visited countries abroad
to see why they fared better.
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Canada, Great Britain,
France, Germany.
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One of the countries
was Hungary,
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where he met Miklos Nemeth,
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the future Prime Minister
of his country.
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I met Gorbachev a bit earlier.
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Because he was
called up to Moscow
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to be the Party Secretary
responsible for agriculture.
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Now, the Hungarian economy,
that part of the economy,
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the agriculture,
was quite strong
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and I would say
even effective.
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So, Hungary was able to produce
food and meat, and so on,
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for 17 to 18 million people.
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The countryside
was ten million. Mmm?
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So our shelves
in the shops were full.
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So, I escorted him twice
to the countryside in a car.
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I immediately realized
that this man is a new brush.
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Open minded, straightforward,
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asking very good questions.
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And, not focusing
on the gifts,
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or whatever
the local bosses offered him.
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You know,
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previous Soviet bosses
arrived to Budapest,
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and there were rumors,
backed by facts,
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that the Party bosses
always requested
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six sets of suits for hunting,
for whatever,
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for social reasons,
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and the Hungarian tailors
worked for two-three days.
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For instance, my wife's father
was part of this tailors' group,
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for Brezhnev.
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Because Gorbachev
did not ask for anything.
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He did not drink,
no alcohol.
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He was always
focusing on business.
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He wanted to understand
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why Hungary was capable
and able to produce
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such a great amount of food,
meat and agricultural products.
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So, I thought immediately,
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"If this is a first step
in the process
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"of eliminating
the old guard in Moscow,
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"there might be a chance for us to
introduce our reforms further on."
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The General Secretary of the
Hungarian Communist Party,
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in a group of people
around him,
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publicly denounced him,
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and saying that this man
will be digging up
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the grave for our system.
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During the May Parade, 1982,
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Gorbachev had
already been appointed
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as a full member
of the Politburo.
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He was able to take
his place on the balcony
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among very old men.
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Brezhnev had been
Secretary General for 17 years.
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He was barely
able to lift his hand.
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Within a few months,
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he would be
the first one to die.
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As customary
in such occasions,
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his body was laid out
on display for his family,
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state guests and the public.
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On November 15, 1982,
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at Brezhnev's funeral,
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Andropov had already been
voted in as the new leader.
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From early on,
Andropov had been Gorbachev's mentor.
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He was the one who,
with foresight,
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advised him
to move beyond agriculture
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and make himself
knowledgeable in other fields,
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like economy
and foreign policy.
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Only a year
and three months later,
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he was dead.
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Like all Soviet leaders,
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he was buried
at the Kremlin wall.
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Who would be the next leader?
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The world would know by who was first
in line to receive the condolences,
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it was Chernenko.
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Gromyko, the perennial
Foreign Minister was bypassed.
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Chernenko at this time
was already terminally ill.
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Only seldom
he would leave the hospital.
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For the public, his hospital room was
rigged up as a fake polling station,
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where he would cast his ballot.
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Watch the hand at his waist.
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An aide behind him
discreetly kept him upright.
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This bizarre ceremony
required him standing up
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in a suit.
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Fake working sessions
were also staged
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to make believe
he was running the country.
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He lasted just 13 months
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and then he, too, died.
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This time, Gorbachev
led the condolences...
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Chernenko joined his
predecessors at the Kremlin wall.
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Gorbachev, chosen as the youngest
leader in Soviet history,
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received the world's
heads of state.
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Bush, Sr., among them,
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would become one of the
most important players
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in his future political life.
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And then,
Margaret Thatcher,
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who had recognized long ago Gorbachev's
extraordinary political talents.
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Helmut Kohl was there as well.
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Sizing up the crowd
and the task ahead,
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he seems to hesitate.
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First, according to ritual,
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he praises the achievements
of Chernenko,
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the last of the fossils.
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Gorbachev, however,
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knew he had to start
fundamental changes immediately.
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Unlike previous leaders,
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he immediately set out to listen
and speak directly to the people.
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Gorbachev describes the social
and economic decline of this time,
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"Finances were in disarray,
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"there was a shortage of
foodstuff and building materials,
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"there was bribery
and the black market.
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"There were mountains
of uninstalled equipment,
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"machines were carelessly assembled
and shipped, with parts missing.
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"Railway trucks loaded with goods
were abandoned at line ends,
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"subject to spoilage
and pilferage.
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"Nothing worked anymore.
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"A complete restructuring,
called perestroika, was essential."
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What, uh, you as,
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in your early years had to
do was completely innovative
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and nobody knew where it
was going to lead you.
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It was to such, um, extent
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that one of your closest
advisers, Yakovlev,
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once famously said,
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we were in a situation,
or you were in a situation
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where we were like
blind people
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handing a mirror
over to the deaf
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in exchange for a balalaika.
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So, it was very
unknown terrain for everybody.
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And for you including.
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Leaders around the
world immediately realized
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that this was new in style,
and more so in substance.
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I like Mr. Gorbachev.
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We can do business together.
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We both believe
in our own political systems.
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He firmly believes in his,
I firmly believe in mine.
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We are never going
to change one another.
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So, that is not in doubt.
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I think we both believe that they
are the more likely to succeed,
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if we can build up confidence in
one another and trust in one another
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about each other's approach.
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When we took office...
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The Cold War was
as cold as it could get.
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The Soviets
had invaded Afghanistan.
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President Carter
cut off everything.
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no athletes to the Olympics,
no meetings with Gromyko,
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no nothing.
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So, at the funeral
of Chernenko,
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Gorbachev became
Secretary General.
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And he was fresh as a daisy.
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So, you could really
converse with him.
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He was obviously very
well-informed and very smart.
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And, so,
I said to our group afterwards,
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"This is like no other
Soviet leader we've dealt with.
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"He's very, very able,
he's tough,
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"but at least
you can converse with him."
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Well, there was a big debate
in the Reagan administration
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between the people
at the Defense Department
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and the CIA thought the Soviet
Union could never change.
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And me and President Reagan
and we thought they could.
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Other people,
like in Poland,
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welcomed the change
with more sinister reasoning.
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Already several years before,
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Poland had, led by their labour
leader, Lech Walesa,
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challenged the system.
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We have never
come to terms with that.
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The second pillar of
Gorbachev's reforms was glasnost,
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making politics
transparent for the people.
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This and Perestroika would
eventually cause an avalanche
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that would sweep away
the entire system.
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On April 26, 1986,
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nuclear reactor no. 4
exploded at Chernobyl.
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The consequences
were enormous,
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not only
for the local population,
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but also for Europe.
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In Gorbachev's political life,
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this was a key moment,
a marker.
341
00:32:54,427 --> 00:32:57,992
Now, there had to be
fundamental changes,
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no matter what.
343
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Can I ask
about Chernobyl?
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Because interesting is that,
for you, Mikhail Sergeivich,
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this was a borderline,
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the world before Chernobyl,
the world after Chernobyl.
347
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There was rampant
incompetence in the system,
348
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and that there was
cover-ups on all levels
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and a self-destructive
secrecy at the very top
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of the political
establishment.
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So, apparently,
Chernobyl was for you the borderline
352
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where you understood
353
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this is a time when we have to
change our political culture.
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I remember having read
355
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that even the President of the Academy
of Sciences here in Russia declared,
356
00:34:42,881 --> 00:34:44,792
"Oh, yeah,
it's just a little thing.
357
00:34:44,801 --> 00:34:48,399
"You drink a few, uh,
a little bit of vodka and sleep it off."
358
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That was your information
at the time.
359
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I'm quite aware...
360
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Gorbachev then offered
to meet Reagan anywhere,
361
00:35:41,747 --> 00:35:45,479
even Hiroshima, to agree
to ban nuclear testing,
362
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despite the fact that leaders
like Margaret Thatcher
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were strongly opposed.
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I told him that I didn't think you
could disinvent nuclear weapons.
365
00:36:17,601 --> 00:36:20,872
That nuclear weapons had been
the best deterrent to war
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the world had ever known,
367
00:36:22,634 --> 00:36:24,712
and that if you
took them right down,
368
00:36:24,787 --> 00:36:27,752
then you're at risk of a
conventional and chemical war,
369
00:36:27,827 --> 00:36:31,432
and if ever you put...
Enhanced that risk,
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then the moment that war started,
it would be more terrible,
371
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and it would be won by the first
person to get nuclear weapons.
372
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The historical meeting
did not take place in Hiroshima,
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but halfway for Reagan
and Gorbachev in Iceland.
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It was only a few months
after Chernobyl.
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The meeting place, a private home
in Reykjavik, the Hofdi House.
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00:38:05,441 --> 00:38:06,992
To everyone's surprise,
377
00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:10,719
Gorbachev and Reagan
personally connected very well.
378
00:38:13,674 --> 00:38:16,639
Although no final
agreement was signed,
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00:38:16,714 --> 00:38:19,312
this was a breakthrough.
380
00:38:19,387 --> 00:38:22,479
The full abolition of nuclear
weapons was discussed,
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00:38:23,041 --> 00:38:27,159
but America would not give up
ambitions to weaponize space.
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00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:31,559
For this moment,
things remained inconclusive.
383
00:38:31,987 --> 00:38:33,879
No treaty right away.
384
00:38:34,401 --> 00:38:38,559
But this handshake was seen
by the world as momentous.
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00:38:42,747 --> 00:38:44,319
Hofdi House now,
386
00:38:44,394 --> 00:38:46,679
more than three decades later.
387
00:38:47,594 --> 00:38:50,239
We met tourists
from around the world,
388
00:38:50,314 --> 00:38:52,599
here, a group from Norway.
389
00:38:53,267 --> 00:38:57,079
Father and son
re-enact the iconic pose.
390
00:38:57,587 --> 00:39:01,119
They even check the precise
position of the hands,
391
00:39:01,194 --> 00:39:05,119
studying a photo
stored on their cellphone.
392
00:39:05,194 --> 00:39:07,039
What was planted here
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00:39:07,114 --> 00:39:11,959
had led to historical treaties
of nuclear arms reduction.
394
00:39:12,987 --> 00:39:14,065
Right away,
395
00:39:14,141 --> 00:39:16,312
America
and the Soviet Union
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00:39:16,321 --> 00:39:19,599
interpreted the meeting
differently.
397
00:39:21,747 --> 00:39:24,679
George Shultz,
the Secretary of State,
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00:39:25,194 --> 00:39:28,359
short-sighted,
was deeply skeptical.
399
00:39:29,354 --> 00:39:30,919
So, in the end,
400
00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:36,879
we are deeply disappointed
401
00:39:38,474 --> 00:39:39,879
at this outcome.
402
00:40:57,601 --> 00:41:01,232
The basic achievements
of Reykjavik were,
403
00:41:01,307 --> 00:41:02,472
number one,
404
00:41:02,547 --> 00:41:07,672
all of the backup,
405
00:41:07,681 --> 00:41:11,472
the material that led to the
INF Treaty and the START Treaty,
406
00:41:11,547 --> 00:41:13,512
were all worked out
at Reykjavik.
407
00:41:13,587 --> 00:41:16,312
But I think beyond that
408
00:41:16,321 --> 00:41:18,672
these two men,
Reagan and Gorbachev,
409
00:41:18,747 --> 00:41:19,879
they sort of clicked.
410
00:41:20,667 --> 00:41:23,519
And, I mean,
they went back and forth and all,
411
00:41:23,594 --> 00:41:26,392
but they came
to know each other,
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00:41:26,401 --> 00:41:27,399
respect each other.
413
00:41:29,021 --> 00:41:33,519
I'm puzzled about what makes
atomic weapons so persistent.
414
00:41:33,921 --> 00:41:39,352
They're so dangerous they can wipe
out the human race in a few hours,
415
00:41:39,361 --> 00:41:42,079
and everybody
wants to get rid of it,
416
00:41:42,154 --> 00:41:43,472
and we can't.
417
00:41:43,547 --> 00:41:45,359
How do we explain this?
418
00:41:45,834 --> 00:41:48,519
What is the nature
of these weapons systems?
419
00:42:22,561 --> 00:42:25,679
Yes, and it's your work...
420
00:43:33,514 --> 00:43:35,199
He's absolutely right.
421
00:43:36,074 --> 00:43:38,079
He looked
with appalling horror
422
00:43:38,154 --> 00:43:42,559
at the fact that we're now
approaching a nuclear arms race.
423
00:43:42,634 --> 00:43:44,592
So do I.
424
00:43:44,667 --> 00:43:46,239
I think it's terrible.
425
00:43:47,114 --> 00:43:50,999
I mean, we had every reason
to believe we were over that.
426
00:44:36,627 --> 00:44:39,632
It's not just
the U.S. and Russia,
427
00:44:39,707 --> 00:44:43,519
but nuclear weapons
are proliferating,
428
00:44:43,594 --> 00:44:46,712
and we have to get back...
429
00:44:46,721 --> 00:44:49,872
Back in the Gorbachev days,
we were...
430
00:44:49,947 --> 00:44:51,999
On both sides we knew
431
00:44:52,074 --> 00:44:54,079
these weapons
are terribly dangerous things.
432
00:44:54,907 --> 00:44:59,312
And we reduced them I think by
about 30% of what they were then,
433
00:44:59,387 --> 00:45:01,032
so it was a huge amount.
434
00:45:01,107 --> 00:45:03,312
Whether or not people will
do the things necessary,
435
00:45:03,387 --> 00:45:05,032
I don't know,
436
00:45:05,107 --> 00:45:09,239
but we have to get back to having
reasonable discussions with Russia,
437
00:45:09,947 --> 00:45:14,399
and probably that takes some sort
of jolt for Mr. Putin to realize
438
00:45:15,201 --> 00:45:19,912
that the hostility is not good
439
00:45:19,987 --> 00:45:24,199
and that he'd be much better off with
a more open relationship with the U.S.
440
00:46:58,154 --> 00:47:01,672
Of course, uh, Cold War
441
00:47:01,747 --> 00:47:05,719
is an abnormal form
of international relations,
442
00:47:06,547 --> 00:47:09,519
and it is fraught
with military risks.
443
00:47:11,754 --> 00:47:13,759
But at the moment the mood,
444
00:47:13,834 --> 00:47:18,152
the international mood
is coming back to Cold War.
445
00:48:09,281 --> 00:48:13,672
His quest for democracy
and a new balance in the world
446
00:48:13,747 --> 00:48:16,439
made him phenomenally popular
in the West.
447
00:48:26,081 --> 00:48:30,359
America made him
their mascot, the good Soviet!
448
00:48:30,954 --> 00:48:33,919
His popularity rose
even higher
449
00:48:33,994 --> 00:48:37,552
when he withdrew all Soviet
troops from Afghanistan
450
00:48:37,627 --> 00:48:40,719
after ten years
of military occupation.
451
00:48:43,067 --> 00:48:48,072
He supported the American led
coalition during the first Gulf War.
452
00:48:50,141 --> 00:48:53,392
I was there with my camera
after Saddam Hussein's troops
453
00:48:53,467 --> 00:48:55,919
had set all of Kuwait on fire.
454
00:48:56,641 --> 00:48:59,999
Gorbachev's support
delighted America.
455
00:49:00,554 --> 00:49:05,079
I know that the way
the Soviet Union
456
00:49:05,787 --> 00:49:09,752
cooperated with the United States
of America in their approach
457
00:49:09,761 --> 00:49:14,399
to Saddam Hussein's unprovoked
aggression against Kuwait
458
00:49:14,794 --> 00:49:19,359
was the clearest indication up to
that time that the Cold War was over.
459
00:52:02,587 --> 00:52:04,799
The global dream was big,
460
00:52:04,874 --> 00:52:07,992
but the forces Gorbachev
had unleashed
461
00:52:08,001 --> 00:52:10,352
triggered independence
movements
462
00:52:10,427 --> 00:52:14,359
in practically all corners
of the Soviet Bloc.
463
00:52:14,721 --> 00:52:18,479
Gorbachev understood,
unlike earlier Soviet leaders,
464
00:52:18,867 --> 00:52:22,512
that this could not
be stopped by harsh laws
465
00:52:22,587 --> 00:52:24,479
or tanks rolling in.
466
00:52:29,107 --> 00:52:33,232
In the Baltic states of
Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia,
467
00:52:33,307 --> 00:52:38,512
people formed a human chain
stretching 600 km,
468
00:52:38,587 --> 00:52:43,599
all three countries connected in
a symbolic quest for independence,
469
00:52:44,507 --> 00:52:47,799
almost half of the population
took part.
470
00:53:11,434 --> 00:53:16,159
In East Germany, people met
in defiance against their regime
471
00:53:16,234 --> 00:53:20,952
that falsely acted in the name
of the people, the masses.
472
00:53:20,961 --> 00:53:24,952
But each Monday,
hundreds of thousands assembled,
473
00:53:24,961 --> 00:53:27,719
chanting,
"We are the people."
474
00:53:33,307 --> 00:53:37,639
These chants resounded in
other countries of the Eastern Bloc.
475
00:53:38,867 --> 00:53:42,119
After 40 years
of one-party system,
476
00:53:42,561 --> 00:53:45,519
after 40 years of failures,
477
00:53:46,561 --> 00:53:50,312
definitely the Hungarian people
and society
478
00:53:50,387 --> 00:53:53,879
is going to vote us out
of the power.
479
00:53:54,867 --> 00:53:59,079
What will you be doing
with your troops
480
00:53:59,707 --> 00:54:02,639
on the soil of Hungary?
481
00:54:03,361 --> 00:54:06,672
And by that time
I knew that they stationed
482
00:54:06,747 --> 00:54:10,479
a couple of nuclear warheads
483
00:54:10,954 --> 00:54:16,039
targeting Italy and France,
including Venice, for instance.
484
00:54:16,714 --> 00:54:20,952
At that moment he grabbed
the arms of his chair
485
00:54:20,961 --> 00:54:25,039
and told me quite clearly,
"Until I am sitting in this chair
486
00:54:26,241 --> 00:54:29,439
"there will be
no repetition of '56."
487
00:54:30,747 --> 00:54:33,112
That year
with brutal force
488
00:54:33,121 --> 00:54:37,319
Soviet tanks suppressed the
uprising of the Hungarian people.
489
00:54:38,587 --> 00:54:41,919
Three decades later,
Miklos Nemeth
490
00:54:41,994 --> 00:54:45,439
cautiously started dismantling
the barbed wire
491
00:54:45,514 --> 00:54:48,159
on the Hungarian border
with the West.
492
00:54:50,747 --> 00:54:52,952
And end of March
493
00:54:52,961 --> 00:54:56,072
they started to roll down
the barbed wire
494
00:54:56,147 --> 00:54:58,319
for three and a half
kilometer long.
495
00:54:58,721 --> 00:55:00,152
Why?
496
00:55:00,161 --> 00:55:02,512
Because I wanted to test
497
00:55:02,587 --> 00:55:04,999
the reaction of
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00:55:06,154 --> 00:55:08,072
the Communist countries,
499
00:55:08,147 --> 00:55:10,879
but mainly
the reaction of Moscow.
500
00:55:12,307 --> 00:55:16,959
There was no knocking on my door
by the Soviet ambassador
501
00:55:17,034 --> 00:55:19,759
asking me that
what are you doing?
502
00:55:20,667 --> 00:55:24,199
No ring on the hotline
from Moscow.
503
00:55:24,801 --> 00:55:26,999
So we planned the next step.
504
00:55:27,667 --> 00:55:31,999
And Alois Mock,
the that time Foreign Minister of Austria
505
00:55:33,441 --> 00:55:36,312
called up my Foreign Minister
506
00:55:36,321 --> 00:55:39,472
that "Why don't we make
507
00:55:39,547 --> 00:55:43,519
"a meeting on both sides
of the border
508
00:55:43,867 --> 00:55:47,119
"and inviting
the international press?"
509
00:55:48,507 --> 00:55:52,752
And in front of them
we can cut the barbed wire
510
00:55:52,827 --> 00:55:56,839
and that will be covered
in the press worldwide.
511
00:55:57,787 --> 00:56:02,039
So for 200 meters longer
512
00:56:02,707 --> 00:56:06,512
we had to rebuild
the barbed wire,
513
00:56:06,587 --> 00:56:11,192
making it possible
for the press
514
00:56:11,201 --> 00:56:13,832
and for the two
Foreign Ministers
515
00:56:13,907 --> 00:56:15,359
to cut the barbed wire.
516
00:56:15,681 --> 00:56:18,312
Visibly for
the entire world,
517
00:56:18,387 --> 00:56:20,799
the Iron Curtain
started to be lifted.
518
00:56:21,627 --> 00:56:25,032
However Austrian
evening news was clueless
519
00:56:25,107 --> 00:56:27,039
about the magnitude
of the event.
520
00:56:35,027 --> 00:56:37,639
Their lead story
was about slugs.
521
00:56:38,081 --> 00:56:40,392
The anchor woman
gives gardeners a tip
522
00:56:40,467 --> 00:56:44,679
to pour some beer into a jar
and leave it overnight.
523
00:56:48,961 --> 00:56:52,559
This would attract
the slugs, lovers of beer.
524
00:56:52,947 --> 00:56:55,472
And if you were lucky,
you might trap
525
00:56:55,547 --> 00:56:59,279
quite a number of them,
up to 70 or 80.
526
00:57:03,347 --> 00:57:07,592
And now she comes to the
miscellaneous news of the day,
527
00:57:07,667 --> 00:57:09,799
the cutting
of the border fence.
528
00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:15,039
It took the world some time to grasp
the significance of this event.
529
00:57:15,754 --> 00:57:20,439
Today, the Iron Curtain remains
only in the form of souvenirs.
530
00:57:29,907 --> 00:57:32,599
Next came the fall
of the Berlin Wall...
531
00:57:33,121 --> 00:57:35,792
This was the biggest
of all symbols
532
00:57:35,867 --> 00:57:38,232
but in practical terms
it meant
533
00:57:38,241 --> 00:57:41,999
that millions of East Germans
were suddenly free.
534
00:57:49,514 --> 00:57:52,872
Even more than with
the human chain in the Baltics
535
00:57:52,947 --> 00:57:55,999
this was not negotiated
by politicians.
536
00:57:57,501 --> 00:58:00,272
It was
an overwhelming manifestation
537
00:58:00,347 --> 00:58:03,119
of human longing
for freedom and unity.
538
00:58:06,881 --> 00:58:11,199
There seems to be a sense
for the right moment...
539
00:58:12,147 --> 00:58:15,799
Glasnost, Perestroika
had its right moment.
540
00:58:16,394 --> 00:58:21,279
A long evolution, um,
leading to this,
541
00:58:22,107 --> 00:58:26,239
a long evolution leading
to the German Reunification.
542
00:58:28,147 --> 00:58:33,199
The Ancient Greek actually had even
a god for the right moment, Kairos.
543
00:58:33,947 --> 00:58:37,039
This God was a real god,
not just an allegory.
544
00:58:38,907 --> 00:58:42,759
And, I have the feeling
545
00:58:43,434 --> 00:58:47,599
when Kohl arrived with his
ten points of Reunification,
546
00:58:48,554 --> 00:58:52,359
everybody was somehow
surprised and everybody...
547
00:58:52,961 --> 00:58:56,479
You, Mr President
and Helmut Kohl,
548
00:58:56,554 --> 00:58:59,519
understood the significance
of the moment.
549
00:59:14,107 --> 00:59:16,279
I did not know that,
I have to...
550
00:59:16,947 --> 00:59:20,159
Let me apologize
for this crazy remark!
551
00:59:21,747 --> 00:59:23,719
Yes... Okay,
but you had to overcome this...
552
00:59:49,627 --> 00:59:52,952
Mikhail Gorbachev
knew that I had walked on foot
553
00:59:52,961 --> 00:59:55,519
around my own country,
Germany.
554
00:59:55,914 --> 00:59:57,905
It was my personal quest,
555
00:59:57,981 --> 01:00:02,279
because the idea of reunification
had been abandoned by so many.
556
01:00:03,227 --> 01:00:06,999
The former Chancellor Willy
Brandt and most of his party.
557
01:00:07,274 --> 01:00:10,399
Gunter Grass,
the Nobel laureate writer,
558
01:00:10,474 --> 01:00:12,592
Margaret Thatcher in Britain,
559
01:00:12,667 --> 01:00:15,199
Mitterrand in France
and many others.
560
01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:19,239
But here were two men
who would make it happen.
561
01:01:37,907 --> 01:01:42,279
I think the overwhelming
majority of Germans
562
01:01:42,587 --> 01:01:46,032
is deeply grateful
to the achievement,
563
01:01:46,107 --> 01:01:51,519
the extraordinary, um,
efforts and role
564
01:01:51,594 --> 01:01:55,239
that the President played
in the German reunification.
565
01:01:57,587 --> 01:02:01,439
This absolutely
overwhelming approval
566
01:02:01,514 --> 01:02:04,759
and liking for you
personally, we love you.
567
01:02:05,601 --> 01:02:08,279
And I love you in particular
568
01:02:08,947 --> 01:02:11,912
because reunification
for me was important.
569
01:02:42,587 --> 01:02:46,359
You said something very important, which...
570
01:02:47,041 --> 01:02:48,839
I find significant.
571
01:02:49,354 --> 01:02:54,719
"Who comes late in politics
will be punished by life."
572
01:02:55,754 --> 01:02:58,399
And that's
a very deep insight.
573
01:02:58,474 --> 01:03:00,025
So, um,
574
01:03:01,121 --> 01:03:07,639
do you think that dissolving of
the Soviet Union was inevitable,
575
01:03:09,267 --> 01:03:11,519
or did this event,
576
01:03:12,467 --> 01:03:14,399
um, somehow
577
01:03:15,041 --> 01:03:18,159
speed up in a way that
nobody could stop it anymore?
578
01:04:29,601 --> 01:04:32,159
And you are speaking
of Boris Yeltsin,
579
01:04:32,234 --> 01:04:37,079
but you are also speaking of the
putschists, of the coup d'etat plotters.
580
01:04:37,834 --> 01:04:39,559
So, from both sides,
there was, uh,
581
01:04:40,714 --> 01:04:42,279
encroachment.
582
01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:45,759
In August 1991,
583
01:04:45,834 --> 01:04:50,152
whilst Gorbachev and his family
were on vacation in the Crimea,
584
01:04:50,227 --> 01:04:51,839
a coup d'etat took place.
585
01:04:52,667 --> 01:04:57,112
Hardline politicians,
their supporters in the KGB
586
01:04:57,121 --> 01:05:00,952
and the military rolled tanks
into the streets of Moscow
587
01:05:00,961 --> 01:05:03,839
and declared
a state of emergency.
588
01:05:38,401 --> 01:05:43,199
Gorbachev was almost
completely cut off from communications
589
01:05:43,594 --> 01:05:47,239
but he observed naval vessels
zeroing in on him.
590
01:05:48,394 --> 01:05:52,919
He secretly recorded a video
he intended to smuggle out.
591
01:06:10,547 --> 01:06:13,432
The putsch
was rejected by the people.
592
01:06:13,441 --> 01:06:17,512
They stood up to the tanks,
forcing their commanders to retreat.
593
01:06:21,601 --> 01:06:24,559
It was the people
who seized the tanks.
594
01:06:25,907 --> 01:06:27,519
Boris Yeltsin,
595
01:06:27,594 --> 01:06:31,312
at that time the President of
Russia, sensed his chance.
596
01:06:36,667 --> 01:06:39,632
He did not want
to miss this moment in history
597
01:06:39,707 --> 01:06:41,839
and climbed a tank himself.
598
01:06:42,314 --> 01:06:45,832
He is regarded
as the savior of democracy.
599
01:06:49,834 --> 01:06:53,959
Gorbachev, safe by
now, returned to Moscow...
600
01:06:54,561 --> 01:06:56,079
Returned to what?
601
01:06:57,281 --> 01:06:59,679
The Soviet Union
had begun to unravel.
602
01:07:00,507 --> 01:07:04,959
The Baltic States and Georgia had
already declared independence.
603
01:07:07,547 --> 01:07:10,832
The center itself
became centrifugal.
604
01:07:10,907 --> 01:07:16,199
Yeltsin wanted even Russia,
the heart of the USSR, to secede.
605
01:08:34,781 --> 01:08:37,759
Yeltsin had the Russian
Parliament abolish the Communist Party,
606
01:08:38,107 --> 01:08:40,719
some ten million
members strong.
607
01:09:10,561 --> 01:09:14,919
But this is not the real
solution, in politics ever, but...
608
01:09:35,387 --> 01:09:36,359
Yeah.
609
01:10:05,674 --> 01:10:10,399
History accelerated.
On December 8, 1991,
610
01:10:10,474 --> 01:10:14,439
there was a secret meeting
in Belarus without Gorbachev.
611
01:10:14,747 --> 01:10:18,679
Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus
agreed upon a blueprint
612
01:10:19,067 --> 01:10:21,232
to dissolve the Soviet Union.
613
01:10:21,307 --> 01:10:23,319
The table for Yeltsin was set.
614
01:11:01,921 --> 01:11:06,039
Less than two weeks
later, in Alma-Ata in Kazakhstan,
615
01:11:06,427 --> 01:11:10,679
all of the remaining members of
the old Soviet Union followed suit.
616
01:11:11,274 --> 01:11:15,039
It was the 21st
of December 1991.
617
01:11:15,827 --> 01:11:19,999
The dynamics of collapse
had become irreversible.
618
01:11:20,787 --> 01:11:23,399
Gorbachev
immediately resigned.
619
01:11:23,914 --> 01:11:26,799
This is what the end
of an entire era
620
01:11:27,274 --> 01:11:30,359
spanning most of
the 20th Century looks like.
621
01:11:58,867 --> 01:12:02,999
Television tried hard to
turn this into a TV spectacle.
622
01:12:03,667 --> 01:12:06,759
Network executives
tried to persuade him
623
01:12:07,041 --> 01:12:10,399
to sign his resignation
in front of the cameras,
624
01:12:10,474 --> 01:12:13,479
and then the main camera
would zero in on his face.
625
01:12:14,314 --> 01:12:18,559
Gorbachev, maintaining his
dignity to the end, refuses.
626
01:12:19,681 --> 01:12:23,359
He signs before the official
camera is switched on.
627
01:13:34,154 --> 01:13:36,319
Mikhail Sergeyevich,
628
01:13:39,707 --> 01:13:41,919
the end of the Soviet Union
629
01:13:42,707 --> 01:13:45,279
was a tragedy
for so many people.
630
01:13:46,634 --> 01:13:50,239
But it must have been
a tragedy for you personally.
631
01:13:52,627 --> 01:13:56,719
Can you explain what
it meant for you personally?
632
01:14:11,707 --> 01:14:14,959
And how do you feel,
is there pain inside of you?
633
01:14:23,027 --> 01:14:26,872
hev
is a deeply lonesome man,
634
01:14:26,881 --> 01:14:31,519
in particular as he's considered
a traitor among many Russians.
635
01:14:32,667 --> 01:14:35,152
The early death
of his wife Raisa
636
01:14:35,227 --> 01:14:37,719
has aggravated his solitude.
637
01:14:38,107 --> 01:14:42,199
She was his greatest support,
she meant everything to him.
638
01:14:55,347 --> 01:14:57,119
Oh, yeah,
so you were lucky!
639
01:15:41,747 --> 01:15:45,432
Unlike other wives
of former Soviet leaders,
640
01:15:45,441 --> 01:15:47,512
she was always with him,
641
01:15:47,521 --> 01:15:50,712
in the corridors of power
in the Kremlin,
642
01:15:50,721 --> 01:15:52,952
on the streets of Moscow,
643
01:15:52,961 --> 01:15:55,399
and on the international stage.
644
01:15:55,681 --> 01:15:59,399
More so, she was
his most trusted confidante.
645
01:16:00,394 --> 01:16:02,999
His marriage
was profoundly happy.
646
01:16:08,554 --> 01:16:12,599
Raisa and Mikhail had a
daughter and two granddaughters,
647
01:16:13,267 --> 01:16:16,559
seen here during
an official photo session.
648
01:17:03,707 --> 01:17:06,239
Do you remember
her voice, her laughter?
649
01:17:08,667 --> 01:17:11,999
Her smell, the perfume?
650
01:17:32,187 --> 01:17:33,639
How much
do you miss her?
651
01:25:15,227 --> 01:25:17,879
o hear
652
01:25:18,867 --> 01:25:24,519
from the President about how does
he see his legacy in world history?
653
01:26:17,834 --> 01:26:19,879
What should be
on your gravestone?
654
01:26:49,587 --> 01:26:52,759
I'm asking God
for two years, just for two years.
655
01:26:53,601 --> 01:26:55,792
And providence...
656
01:26:58,227 --> 01:27:01,599
Providence will give him
400 years for his voice
657
01:27:02,401 --> 01:27:03,839
to live on.
658
01:27:57,467 --> 01:27:58,719
Da.
659
01:28:04,874 --> 01:28:05,919
Da.
660
01:28:08,919 --> 01:28:12,919
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