All language subtitles for John Dower - My Scientology Movie

You get a sense
of the scale and ambition

of the Church of Scientology
from the footage of their galas.

They look more like a
Hollywood awards show

than anything recognizably spiritual.

A religion created by a sci-fl writer

and now run by a mysterious
and unapproachable leader

whose disciples include
top Hollywood actors.

For years my dream was that
I might be the first journalist

to see another more positive
side of the church.

Their commercials
promise enlightenment

using techniques that combine
spirituality and science.

With the ultimate aim of a planet
free from insanity, crime and war.

The videos boast of the
church's global reach

and followers, they say,
are in the millions.

Watching their promotional films, I dreamed
of experiencing their practices first-hand.

I made repeated requests
to be allowed inside

but my approaches
were all turned down.

Gradually I realised they were
never going to let me in.

But inspired by their
religious film-making

I began thinking of
another way inside

that was still true to
the spirit of Scientology.

I've been in touch with one of the most
prominent ex-members of Scientology.

His name is Marty Rathbun

and my hope is that he can help
me realise this idea I have.

For many years he was one of the most
senior figures in the whole church.

Their photos show him in uniform

next to David Miscavige,
the church leader.

And then in 2004 he left

and started giving interviews about
the church and his role within it.

I was basically Mr Fix-It
for Scientology for a number of...

well, a couple of decades, frankly.
I mean, I was...

Wherever there was a fire,
I was out there to put it out.

Do you need a push?

Maybe.

The church now regards him
as deeply untrustworthy.

Oh, this Louis,
he's a yoga master.

But for more than twenty years
he was the consummate insider...

It feels pretty secure.

And he still believes in
aspects of Scientology.

You want to just get some B roll?
Yeah.

Have you driven in LA before, Louis?

Er, I've been living in
LA for the last year.

Get out of town.
Yeah. Where do you live?

North Hobart.
Very close to the Celebrity Centre.

I'll be darned.

And we've flown him in from
Texas where he now lives

and brought him back to
Scientology's birthplace

and his old home, Los Angeles.

I've got my written response
from the church.

Oh, really?
I wanted to mention that.

Okay.

And what they mention
is that Mr Theroux had been in

direct communication with and had
interviewed bitter anti-scientologist

Marty Rathbun.

Is that what poisoned them
against our production?

Is that what closed the door
to us do you think?

Or would they never have taken part?

You can't film me.

- Okay.
- We're not filming you.

You are, you have the
camera in my face.

Turn the camera that way.

So what are you doing
the documentary about?

It's about the Church of Scientology.

Oh.

You probably should interview her.

Well, maybe we will, but we should
probably finish what we were...

Yeah. We'll finish
what we're doing.

I am an actress and -

Well, we are in LA.

Yeah. Well, no, I mean I've done over 45 films...
- Sure.

In French and Spanish
and a lot of things.

Okay, well, my name is Paz.

Paz.

- How do you spell that?
- Paz De La Huerte?

Yes.

That's great. Thank you so much.

They sent her over.

The church?

Don't you think?

No, they're not that sophisticated.

Honey trap.

They're not that sophisticated.

You would have done
that in your day.

No, I wouldn't have
done that in my day.

The founder of Scientology,
L. Ron Hubbard

was a writer of pulp fiction

and in 1950 he published
a self-help book called Dianetics.

It became the basis for an entire
religion teaching that we are all

immortal spirits called Thetans,
who live multiple lifetimes.

Using Scientology processes
we can become enlightened

remember past lives and carry
all our present day memories

into future lifetimes.

Over the years Hubbard
won thousands of converts.

Hello

Hello.

My name is David Miscavige

and I'm very happy that you could all make
it to this important briefing this evening.

And then in 1986 there was a gathering of
scientologists at the Hollywood Palladium

and it was announced
that Hubbard had died.

The body he had used
to facilitate his existence

in this messed universe

had ceased to be useful.

And in fact had become
an impediment to the work

he now must do
outside of its confines.

The announcement was
made in this famous footage

by a young man in his twenties
called David Miscavige

and he has run
Scientology ever since

and done so, according to his critics

in an increasingly unpredictable
and volatile fashion.

Joining us live tonight is David Miscavige

whose formal title is Chairman of the Board
of the Religious Technology Centre.

The organization which manages
Dianetics and Scientology.

Mr Miscavige took over as
the head of Scientology in 1987

following the death of the church's
founder, L. Ron Hubbard.

In 1992 he spoke to
Ted Koppel the host of Nightline.

It was an unusually
revealing encounter

and to date, his only TV interview.

So we've got actors coming in
to be David Miscavige

and for me the idea
really is to kind of recreate...

You know we can't
get the real Miscavige

but we can create
our own Miscavige

using lines from that rare
Ted Koppel interview

to help Marty to cast him.

I'm gonna lean heavily on Marty.

I'm conscious it's his version
and it's seen in hindsight

after an acrimonious
split from the church.

- Okay.
- Hi, guys.

Hi Chris.
How you doing?

Hi, my name's Chris Gehrt.

Shall I... I mean should I sit in,
what do you think?

Shall I do a Koppel voice?

- No.
- No. It's cheesy.

- It's up to you, Louis, whatever you...
- Yeah, I'll just do...

I'd like to begin, Mr Miscavige,
with I guess the kind of broad question

perhaps folks at home may be
asking themselves right now.

Perhaps folks at home might be
asking themselves right now

but let me be the
guinea pig for a moment.

Mmm.

See if you can explain to me why
I would want to be a scientologist.

Because you care about
yourself and life itself...

Because you care about - it's -
your life. Wait, hold on.

Yourself and life itself.
Yeah, yeah.

Scientology. The word means study
of life, study of knowledge.

Er...

and that's what it is.
It takes up all areas of life itself.

Things that are integral and maxims.

They're related to life
and very existence.

Let me give you an example,
it's better if I take that

because it's such
a broad-ranging subject.

It's better if I take that because it
covers such a broad range of subjects.

That's the area
of communication.

Um, being able to communicate with the
world around you and everyone here.

Good, good, good.

I just, I want it feel, um,
as real as possible

but I also want to get Marty back into
the headspace of where he was

when he was inside the church.

And we're using this
rare bit of footage

because he was there in the
studio at Miscavige's side

when it was recorded.

Thank you so much.
Thank you.

That's not Miscavige.

I'm just... I'm serious, you know. All these
guys that you'd like, they're no good.

Well, no, but he actually...

But this is not a minor
game we're playing here.

Every man woman and child.

Their immortal future
depends on us succeeding.

This is the attitude.
This is what you're missing.

You've got to have that intensity. Okay?
Because this is not some minor game.

I thought he had that.

This is dying.
Not just dying this lifetime.

It's dying and dying and dying and dying
and being a smouldering ember

that floats through space.
Hurtling through space.

Literally that?
It's literally that if we don't succeed.

Is that something he would say?

Absolutely,
it's right in the policy letters

in keeping Scientology working.

We'd rather have you
dead than incapable.

That's the training attitude.

That was your mind-set.

Yeah.

For 27 years.

Well, for 22 years.

First 5 years I was pretty laid back.

Scary, huh?

Makes you wonder
what I'm capable of, right?

Little bit.
Yeah.

I'll tell you what,
let's stick with me, okay?

So far in life I haven't had a whole
lot of trouble communicating.

Now see if you can
communicate to me what it is

that you're going to be able to do for me
that makes me a better communicator.

Well, number one, I would never try to
talk you into that Scientology is for you.

You see, that's the
funny thing about this

as if I'm now going to give a sales
pitch to you on Scientology.

- So let's look at it this way.
- See that edge...

he's got that down. He's pissed.

And... but he's not overtly showing it.

But he's combatting with me.

If you want me -
if you want to see something else

throw any direction at me and
I'll just give you another.

Get up and get in my face
and put your finger in my chest

and let me know that my problem
is that I buy my own bullshit.

- Okay.
- Okay, go ahead.

Who are you to come in here
and tell me that what I stand for

and what I have learned...
what I have learned

is the right way.

Look, you people are
programmed and sold.

Listen to me,
you slimy little cocksucker.

You fuck up one more time, I will rip
your fucking face off. You got that?

Get with me, motherfucker.

Get personal.
Put... dress the guy down.

I don't want you just to agree with me.

Call him a four-eyed
son of a bitch cocksucker.

You're a four-eyed son of a bitch.
You cocksucker.

I mean, you had no idea what you were
doing from the beginning and I knew that.

Louder.

You had no idea what you were doing
from the beginning and I knew that.

Shove him against the wall.

Son of bitch, you listen to me.

This is really good.

Okay. You're going to fucking
do what I tell you next time

and you're going to
actually listen to me.

Louis, this is really good.

- From the start.
- Okay, out.

Okay.

You're a cook-sucking loser.
You're a piece of shit.

I'm telling you what you're worth.

I'm telling you what you've
been doing with your life.

Don't look away.

He's got it, he's got it.

This is David Miscavige, right here.

Where were you getting that from?

I tap into anger very easily.

And righteousness.

Yeah. That's exactly
what it is. It's a righteous anger.

That was like being there. Yeah.

Thank you so much, thanks again.
Take care. Okay, cheers.

Um, I'm aware that we're going
to the violence quite quickly

and to this sort of,
the negative characterization.

But I don't know if we're gonna
get the sense of why for 22 years

you were working hand-in-glove
in a devoted fashion with that guy.

Well, as you said, it was kind of...

you thought it was kind of nice having
your face ripped off up against the wall.

Yeah, but that was play acting.

I know, so what's the difference?

The orthodoxy in the Scientology religion
so that it forever remains faithful...

Good.

He's indignant but he's also
trying to make his case

to an impartial person, like a judge, right?
- Okay. Yeah.

Okay, shall we go?

Go.

I am, and since 1987 have been

the Chairman of the Board of
Religious Technology Centre.

A section 501 tax exempt
non-profit religious corporation

whose sole purpose is to maintain
the orthodoxy of the Scientology religion.

I mean, I would take it down a notch.

Okay.
- Because I think that went a little too conversational.

Yeah.

Most scientologists would
never meet David Miscavige.

They have normal jobs.

They might volunteer in the church's
bookshops, which they call Orgs.

They don't wear uniforms,
and in LA many of them are actors.

I grew in Boston.
Small-town boy with big-town dreams.

So I decided, you know, to just, like,
take the leap to Hollywood

and become an actor.

I didn't really have, like,
a plan in mind per Se.

I just kind of came here and
just hoped that I would

you know, find my
way in the business.

So I picked up a copy
of Backstage newspaper

which is the trade newspaper
that actors subscribe to

that lists all the different auditions
in town and all the different classes.

And there's a huge ad -
how to break into the industry

teaching you all the ins and outs
of how to make it in Hollywood.

So I took the bus up
to the Celebrity Centre

and I walk in and we went into their theatre
room to watch their orientation film.

Right this instant, you are at the
threshold of your next trillion years.

You will live it in shivering
agonized darkness.

Or you will live it
triumphantly in the light.

The choice is yours.

That's the one where he says

'If at the end of this, you're not
convinced that this is for you

you're free to walk away.'

It would be stupid
but you can do it.

You can also dive off a bridge
or blow your brains out.

Blow your brains out, yeah.

That is your choice.

When you're a new actor

and you come to somewhere like the
Celebrity Centre and they're telling you

'We can help make you someone
like the new Tom Cruise'

you know, you're like 'Oh wow.
That's what I want.'

You know, they just tell you,
you know, it's a course away.

Your happiness is a course away.

If I see someone on the street,
at the bus stop

you'd go up to them and
just try to be their friend.

Give them one of these?

Give them one of these booklets and say,
hey check out my church.

And if I get you to sign up
for services it helps me

because I get a 10%
commission on whatever you buy.

They say it brainwashes people.

It is, it's mind numbing.

No, no, no, no, no I'm doing the...

They say it brainwashes people.

Do I look like I'm brainwashed to you?

I'm your neighbour.
I'm your best friend.

Scientology is an applied
religious philosophy.

It's not a religion you just sit down
and pray at an altar about.

This is something that you actually
apply every single day in your life.

Tools to improve yourself.

- Pass them here.
- Oh my God, they're really heavy.

There's apparently 1 million spoken
and transcribed L. Ron Hubbard words

in all these books.

But you paid for all of them.
I paid for all of them.

How much did you
pay for all your materials?

For all the book course materials?

Everything, just for the whole...
the services, books, everything.

Everything? Fifty grand.
About fifty thousand dollars.

Fifty thousand dollars.

This is a simple, er, ohmmeter.

And there is a very
slight amount of electricity

actually passing
through your body

although it's imperceptible.

When I address thought

that has, er, some trauma connected
with it or some anxiety connected with it

I get a particular type of read.

It's a device that measures thought.

Alright, is there a particular
area of your life that, erm...

fixates your attention
or you feel is a... That, there.

- Did you get one?
- Yeah.

Can I answer?
Please.

I'm thinking about a time
when I was about 11 or 12.

The most basic practice
in Scientology is auditing.

It's a form of counseling using a
primitive lie detector called an E-meter.

Okay.

So, earlier similar problems.

Basically you talk about memories
and traumas called engrams

until they no longer
register on the machine.

Interesting.

Your needle's floating.

Which is good, right?
That means I've cleared something.

I dunno, do you feel like
you've kind of realised something?

I feel like I've made a connection, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

That's basically what a session is.

So, how does this
relate to Scientology

and this idea of being clear?

Okay. You desensitize
a lot of these things

like this little thing that
gave you a little bit of angst.

I mean, there's tones of things that
any given individual has like that.

Got it.
That is clear, basically.

Though it's a religion,
scientologists don't worship a god.

Instead, what they offer is a highly
detailed step-by-step program

of classes and courses.
each with a price tag

and all of it laid out in an
extremely complex looking diagram.

They call the teachings
religious technology or tech.

As you advance up the bridge you
deal with engrams from past lifetimes.

At the very top are the OT levels.

OT stands for Operating Thetan

and the possibility of
extra-sensory abilities.

The most dedicated believers
can join Scientology's clergy

the Sea Org.

You can see them in church
photos, styled like a navy.

Their glossy recruitment posters
depict them as being like warrior monks.

They sign billion-year contracts
committing all their future lifetimes

to saving Earth from ruin,.

And while there may be as many as
25,000 scientologists in the U.S.

only a fraction has signed up
as members of the Sea Org.

And it's within the Sea Org

that the most controversial practices
are alleged to have taken place.

We're going down to
a little town called Hemet

and close by Hemet
is the headquarters

of Scientology -
a legendary location.

And we're going there
with Marc Headley

who worked and lived
there for fifteen years

from 1990 to 2005

when he 'blew', which he means
he left in an unauthorized fashion.

He later sued the church for keeping
him against his will but he lost the case.

And, like Marty, he's viewed by
the church as an embittered and a liar.

You know, and you know we've
been filming with Marty Rathbun?

Yes, I was aware of that, yes.

And you know him, don't you?
Yes, I do.

Basically, it's where
David Miscavige mainly works.

It's where he runs
Scientology from.

And it's where allegedly in
the years running up to 2005

there was a reign of terror.

There was actually
a time in the mid-1990s

when I was being accused of
myself being violent with somebody

of one of my own crew.

And I was being interrogated on
an E-meter about this incident

and Marty was actually
standing behind the girl

that was doing the interrogation
in the little auditing room with us.

And, um, and it just
kept going on and on

and she'd say 'Did you do this?'
I said 'No, I didn't do that.'

'And did you do this?'
'No, I didn't do that.'

And then Marty actually just said 'Listen,
let's just take a break for a second.'

And he cold-cocked me.

Just boom. And he's a big guy,
he's much bigger than I am.

He punched you?

He punched me square in jaw

out of nowhere, I wasn't expecting it,
it was just boom.

And then he goes 'Good, now go back in
there and tell her what she wants to hear.'

This is it.

Yeah, this is it. We're there.

This building up on the right here

that is the cinematography studio.
It's called the cine-castle.

So they make promotional
videos for Scientology in there?

Films and videos.

It looks like you
could walk quite close.

If we did, they'd know.
I mean, they know we're here right now.

There's cameras right there.

We have their attention.
No doubt, one hundred per cent.

So I'm going to take
my lead from you, Marc.

You think this is a good place to stop
or maybe not... are you okay?

I'm fine.
You just went...

Is it stress or are you just, er...?

No, no. I'm fine.
You're good.

I'm good.

You're not getting flashbacks?
No, no. I'm not getting flashbacks.

It's called Int Base because it's the
international headquarters of Scientology

but it's also called Gold Base because
it's the Headquarters of Gold Studios

and Gold Studios was a production facility
that L. Ron Hubbard himself created

churning out epic Hollywood
style promotional videos.

When the history
of this planet is finally told

it will be a tale of exalted triumph

that forever changed
the destiny of Earth.

We are the IAS.

And Marc was well acquainted with
a lot of these very dramatic films

and how they were made

because he was working
on them as a producer.

- Well, you show the best spot.
- Yeah.

- Is it this one?
- Yeah.

Whose land is this then?

This is public. This is public land.

So you can see this is the
razor wire that's always talked about.

See, they don't have it on
the main highway road

but as soon as you
get off the highway

then there's razor wire around the
entirety of the property, just like that.

And you can see the
high-power floodlights.

You can see the motion sensors, those
little black things near every fence post.

Those are called fence shakers.

So somebody climbs over
the fence from the inside

that sets off an alarm in
that main security booth

and all those flood lights all around
the entire property turn on

so they can easily locate someone
who's trying to escape.

Let's hop out.

You lived here for fifteen years.

Fifteen years.

Do you feel now, looking back,
that you were kept against your will?

I think that I was
a prisoner in my own...

I was keeping myself here
based on what they told me.

I knew that there would be
consequences of me leaving

that would make it so it would be very
hard for me to live outside of this world.

Those consequences
became so miniscule

compared to the terror that
I was living through here

that it got to the point where I would
rather be dead than to live here.

They recite events that never took place.

I am left in a position of
my word against their word

which is precisely the effect
I feel they have tried to create.

Their efforts are orchestrated
pursuant to a well-used litigation strategy

that has been employed
against L. Ron Hubbard

various churches of Scientology,
and me, for years.

Namely the gathering of
apostates in search of money

who are then used as a travelling roadshow
to present packaged yet false testimony

concerning scientologists,
churches of Scientology and me.

That was very good.

Did you not think
that was very good?

Hubbard understood early on that he could
spread his religious ideas using actors.

He wrote screenplays and liked being
photographed on set, directing.

And as early as 1955 he launched
something called Project Celebrity

a list of high-profile people
he hoped to recruit.

James Stewart.

Greta Garbo.

Danny Kaye.

And the practices of Scientology
are like acting class techniques.

You're learning a new role in life.

It's an exciting day today because
we are here to cast Tom Cruise.

He's obviously the most famous
scientologist in the world.

In fact, probably a lot of people,
all they know about Scientology

is that Tom Cruise is a member.

And Tom Cruise is best friends
with David Miscavige.

It was widely reported that
David Miscavige was best man

at Tom Cruise's wedding
to Katie Holmes.

The other thing is that Marc was involved
in making the promotional videos

and one of the most famous and controversial
promotional videos of Scientology

was one involving
Tom Cruise 'On Tom Cruise.'

I think it's a privilege to
call yourself a scientologist

and it's something
that you have to earn.

And... because a scientologist does.

And so we're going to use quotes from
that footage to help us cast our actor

and to understand what
motivates Tom Cruise.

Got it.

Action.

I think it's a privilege to
call yourself a scientologist

because it's something
that you have to earn.

It's a privilege to call
yourself a scientologist.

It's something that
you have to earn.

Because a scientologist does.

Cut.

This is not a bad place just
to do a quick bit of background.

How... what level is
Tom Cruise at in Scientology?

And what... is that high?

Yeah, the only one higher is OT 8.

When he gets to that next one,
there's nothing he can do that's higher.

- And each one costs money, right?
- Yeah, yeah.

To get all the way to top
it can cost anywhere from

half a million to 2 million dollars.

So for me it really is KSW.

For me it really is KSW.

And, er...

I don't mince words
with that, you know.

For me you know the pulse is just...

Really it's just gone...

Boy.

Yeah.
Do you wanna tell him what KSW is?

Sure. KSW is
Keeping Scientology Working.

And Keeping Scientology Working

is basically like obliterating anything
that doesn't have to do with Scientology.

And keeping it working.

Any time somebody does
something in Scientology

that's not one hundred
per cent Scientology

you crush that person so that
they do not ever do that again.

So for me it really is KSW. It's just
like... it's something that, er...

I don't mince words with that.

You know with anything
that LHR does

but that policy to me has really gone...

Boy.

I... There's a time I went through
and I said 'You know what?'

When I read it I was just like...
Can you pause it?

- We just paused that at random, right?
- Yeah.

I mean, if you saw him across the
breakfast table looking at you like that...

Like, that's not, you know,
pass the mustard. That...

In that KSW policy,
L. Ron Hubbard says

'We want you to have a
dedicated glare in your eyes.'

But, you know, I feel like
there's a bigger question outside...

what, like, I don't understand...

why does he think
this is so important?

Because Scientology's the only way
that the world is ever going to survive.

He thinks that without
Scientology, what would happen?

Charred ruins.

When the day's over, the only thing
that's workable is Scientology.

Workable as what?

As a technology,
as an organizational technology.

As a spiritual technology.
It's a universal solvent

that will handle all of the world's
problems and the universe's problems.

They said 'So, like, have you met an SP?'

Maybe one day it will
actually be like that.

Maybe one day it'll be wow, like, SPs.

They'll just read about those
in the history books, you know.

Do you wanna tell
Caleb what an SP is?

If you bad mouth Scientology
or speak out against Scientology

you're labelled a
suppressive person.

And there's actually
a policy within Scientology

that says that how you
handle a suppressive person

or how you deal with
a suppressive person

is to ruin him utterly.

It's PTSSP, how to shatter suppression.

Confront Shatter Suppression.
You apply and it's like - boom.

Because they don't come up to me.

No, because they don't come up to me

and... and say that.

Not to my face, you know.
Or anywhere in my vicinity.

Where, they can be -

Confronting.
They just don't do it.

Why not?

Because they're afraid.

Afraid of?

Of what they might
find out about themselves.

- Yeah, see, that's not in there.
- We were just improv-ing.

No, no, I know, but what he said
is exactly true.

Why did you say that?

It's a fear of whatever
but usually themself

Wait, are you in character now
or is this just you?

Little bit of both.

I was going to say, he's getting
really scary on me right now.

I mean, if the intent
behind it is to help people

then I mean there should
be no harm in that.

- Very good.
- Great.

That was nice.
Thank you for that.

Not a problem.

You guys have yourself
a wonderful afternoon.

- You too. Very good.
- Thanks. You to.

What is the license plate again?

After four hours of the
same oar being behind you

it starts to look a bit suspicious.

And it's a white pickup truck.
A Tacoma.

He's right behind us now.

His windshield's quite dark, isn't it?

Nothing suspicious about that.

Well, there's no question, is there?

He's a private investigator.

What you've got to remember is
this is a church.

I mean, that's the thing, isn't it?

It's just not like any church
that you can really think of.

I can't see him.

I think we've lost them.

So this is a letter that was
forwarded to me from, um...

one of our producers,
and, er, it's...

from the lawyers, Carter Ruck,
retained by the Church of Scientology.

So evidently, um, they've got
wind of, er, what we're doing.

And they say, um...

'Our client is aware that Mr Theroux
has auditioned for actors

to play a young David Miscavige.'

They don't know that we've also
auditioned actors to play Tom Cruise.

But um...

'In relation to the auditions

our client's information is that
Mr Theroux filmed these

with Marty Rathbun in
attendance and advising.

This is most concerning.'

And so, how do they know
that Marty was at the casting?

Was one of the actors, conceivably...

Did he put the word out,
tell people in his circle?

And did that get back to the church?
Or was one of the actors a scientologist?

Or was there someone on the inside
who was somehow a mole?

- Or we were followed.
- Or we were followed.

So you know we're
going to see Tom De Vocht?

Yes, sir.

And he is a, um...

another embittered and
disgruntled defrocked apostate.

Another?

Well, in addition to you.

Why would you call me
what the church calls me?

Er, I was, er, I was...
Do I look embittered?

I couldn't care less, Louis.

Embittered is last adjective
that would apply to me.

I'm way beyond embittered,
I don't care.

Hey, hey, hey.

Guys, this in Erin, by the way.

How do you do? Louis.

Louis.
Erin, nice to meet you.

Are you Tom's other half,
could we say?

We're business partners.
We're business partners.

Really? What are you guys doing?

A lot of people described David
Miscavige as a sort of an aloof figure

but I've heard that you were
quite tight with David Miscavige.

Yeah. I mean, we became pretty...
It depends how you look at it.

You know, tight with David Miscavige
isn't really possible, I don't think.

- But, we did get along and he did...
- He liked you?

I think what really happens is
he may or may not like you

but he uses you
until you're fucking used up.

And then he chops your head
off and everybody's gone.

- And it's... it happens.
- It's a pattern.

It is a pattern,
it happens to everybody.

The guy... I mean, it soared you,
you thought 'What the hell?'

I played backgammon with him
and I'd make a point to lose.

- I mean, it was...
- Why'?

And I got good at it,
by the way, um...

Because he had to.

Because he... if you... if he felt at all
that you were more popular

or better in any way
or anything, he'd flip.

And he could flip like that.

Then you spend a little time up there.

The guy's got somebody, I'm sure
you know this, recording him 24/7.

Even when we were
sitting there drinking scotch

tape recorders down and
everything's being recorded.

Even if you were
just saying, um...

If we were playing backgammon,
that damn thing was rolling.

Why?
Um, you shocked by all this?

You're on record as saying
that you saw him, er, beat people.

Yeah. It's unbelievable.

In the real world, you'd go to jail
if you did something like that.

But what I don't
understand is, um...

so... but you seem like a
normal reasonable person

and Marty's fairly
normal and reasonable.

And there are other
people there, and why...

How does someone get
away with behaving in that way?

This is the only thing
I can tell you.

You got people who wrap
bombs around themselves

fly planes into buildings.
It's the same thing.

You believe so much in that
technology or so much in whatever.

They can convince you of anything.

When I got interviewed
by the FBI they said

'Would you help us?
If we went in to Gold up there

busted open the
gates and went in

and, er, would you show
us where things are?'

I said 'Abso-fuoking-lutely,
but you're wasting your time.'

After I told them the same thing

they went to him to cross-check
and we'd never talked.

They said 'What are talking about?'
And I said 'You're going to walk in

and you might find terrible situations
and every one of them are going to go

"No, no, no, this is the way we want it."
And at that point you're done.

They can't do anything.'

What, so they were...
they thought they could do a raid

and liberate some
of the church members?

They telling you -
Do a raid and liberate and find

you know, the crazy shit going on

I mean it's... it's insane.

It is the most destructive
quote-unquote religion, cult

I have ever read anything
about or anything.

It is a fucking nightmare.

It really is. And I see people today, I meet with
people who still believe in a little bit of it

and I just want to shake them and go
'You've got to fucking stop.'

It's a crock of shit.

We've come back to Hemet with Marc.

And we'll be getting
some shots of the base.

But I've also decided to drop off a reply to
the latest letter from the church's lawyers.

David Miscavige lives and works
most of the time at the Int Base

So it's very easy for me to, um,
to drop off the letter.

It's just sort of saying I, you know,
'The letter that you sent us

have been forwarded on to me

and that you're concerned that we
may be following a kind of bigoted line

of not giving Scientology
the respect that it deserves.'

Hello?

Oh. Can I just give you a letter?

Can I just... Hello?

Er, excuse me,
you're, er, you're trespassing.

I've got a letter for Mr Miscavige.

Wait, I've got...

You're trespassing and if you don't leave

I'm going to have you
arrested right now.

Can I deliver a letter, please?

No, there's a bloke there
but he seems enturbulated.

It's almost like just by receiving
the letter he seemed afraid

that he was in trouble
or that it represented a threat to him.

We've been told it's a public road.

We own everything. We own that,
we own every house on this property.

The road?
We own everything here.

They have a 100ft right of way from there
from the middle of that road.

This is our property.

You need to leave.
The road, I'm talking about the road.

You already... Yes, it's our property.
We're standing on this road.

This is not a public road.
This is not a county road.

This is our road,
we own everything on this place.

We own the golf course.
We own every house along here.

You now need to leave.

I'm trying to drop off a letter.

Well, the police will be coming.

We'll see my partner
gets the important information.

Because I know that just by
pointing that out to you...

Yeah. We're not trying to get
in there, on there...

We're not trying to climb on the fence.

- We're trying to have a stand out safe area.
- Where are you guys from?

- Hey?
- London.

London?
From London, England.

How's the weather?

This is beautiful. It is a little too hot
or am I just imaging it?

And this is our, um, our film permit.

Do you know if it's a public road?

I believe they own the roadway up to
50 per cent from the centre metre.

Look, if I'm six feet tall...

Let's say there's three of me from there

three of me there, then easily it
gets to have kerb, doesn't it?

Do you know why this guy's filming us?

You don't mind,
that's not bothering you?

That what?
That he's filming us?

It doesn't bother me
that you're filming us.

Oh good.

You guys have a good one, all right?

Hey, no, appreciate it.
Okay, thank you.

What's your name?

You need to leave too.

- Yes, that's fine.
- Both of you. - Yeah.

What's your name?

We're done. Get in the oar.

Are you in the Sea Org?

Thanks, guys.

Did you see that?

- Absolutely.
- We had a moment.

Yeah, absolutely.

Did you recognise the woman
who came and talked to me?

Catherine Fraser. Yeah.

And she, Catherine Fraser

her husband is a gentleman
by the name of Jeff Hawkins

who is another guy that left

and he wrote a book.
I've read his book.

Counterfeit Dreams.
He's the guy...

Who wrote a book
about how he was

way many times or at least several
times beaten up by David Miscavige.

He was one of Miscavige's alleged, um...

He was a punching bag.
Punching bag.

And then he blew.

We've brought Marty back.

And, um, we're doing drills.

Marty's offered to take us through some of
the Scientology TRs or training routines.

So this is my chance and
our actors' chance to experience

the Scientology tech,
its technology, first-hand.

And Marty,
when he was in Scientology

was the Inspector General
in charge of tech.

He used to maintain orthodoxy

he made sure that all the
Hubbard-written drills and processes

were implemented exactly correctly

and so who better than him
to take us through drills today?

Hi.

Hi. Are you filming?

Yes.

Okay.

- Are you with him?
- Yeah.

What are you,
what are you filming?

Can you say?

Er, we're just filming
a documentary for us.

- For you?
- Yeah.

- Can you tell me about it?
- No.

Can you tell me about
the scene you're filming?

I'm a freelance cameraman
I'm just working with her.

With her? What's your name?

I'm not going to say.

Can you tell me a little bit
about why you're here?

We're just filming a documentary
of people. That's it.

Um, because you were filming us,
so I just wondered if there was a reason.

Um, we're just, um, filming. That's it.

Yeah.
Is that okay or not?

Er, well, I'd just like to know,
since you were filming me

why you were filming me.

- Would you like to...
- I'm not, I'm not answering.

Well, can you explain?

I'm a freelance cameraman,
I'm just hired by her to...

Right, but what did she
tell you about what you were doing?

To just roll camera on...
on this location.

Come on, help me out, let's get...

- Let's not place the...
- She is in charge of this.

I'm happy to tell you
about what I'm doing

but I'd like you tell
me what you're doing.

I'm... well, I guess I can't
help you on any of this.

I'm just... You're going to have to have to
talk to her. She's the one who called me.

So I honestly, I don't know.

You know, I'm...
We don't have to be silly about this.

Why don't you just tell me
what you doing?

I'm more than happy to tell you
about what we're working on.

That's fine. I'm not.

Come back, don't run away.

Did you know that we're doing
a documentary about Scientology?

I think you're harassing me now.

Listen, you're filming me!
How can I be harassing you?

Come back.

Stop running away.

- Did you see any of that unfold?
- Yeah, yeah.

What's the big picture here?

I mean, why are they doing this?

The big picture is
if you look into us

we'll look into you
10 times as much

and we will make
your life too miserable

to continue with what you're doing.

That's the point of it,
that's the bigger picture.

Been there, done it. On both sides.

On both sides?

Are we going to get started?

Yeah, I think we're good to go
whenever you want to.

- Hi.
- Hi.

My name's Marty.

Okay, so he said
you're willing to participate in the drills

for real, no? Yeah?
Mmmhmm.

Okay. Student and coach sit
facing each other with eyes closed.

There is no conversation,
it is a silent drill.

There is no twitching, moving.
Simply be there.

What you can do is, is if you feel like,
like you accomplish something on it

just raise your hand.

Because we're not doing it under
the official auspices of Scientology

we're doing something
that's called squirrelling.

And in Scientology,
that is the crime of crimes.

Come on, Marty,
you got anything to say?

You can't even defend
yourself on this, can you?

- What's your name?
- Why don't you answer his question?

Marty, I'm with Squirrel
Busters Productions.

In goof ball outfits.

Squirrelling is heresy and squirreling
is the reason why, for more than a year

Marty was hounded and harassed
by the squirrel busters.

They were busting him for attempting
to set up a revival church to Scientology.

Marty, knock it off.

Anything that is not official,
Scientology-authenticated tech

is terrible, is deeply dangerous.

Woo hoo!

And putting the
entire fate of the planet

and not just this planet,
all planets in the universe

at risk, because you're
not doing it correctly.

How ya doing, Mr Squirrel?

- And then the debate becomes, well...
- How are you doing, Mr Squirrel?

Is that because they want to maintain
a monopoly over the practices

because their whole business model
is to do with selling these services?

Start. You are one ugly
motherfucker you know that?

Flunk. Ever so slightly.

Start. You are one ugly
motherfucker, you know that?

Okay.

Flunk, you twitched.

This is the make-break point here.

Now you're going to teach somebody
how to have some forbearance and tolerance

and ability to take some shit.

You know.

This is the most highly criticized drill but
it's the most highly sworn by drill too.

It's called bull bait. Okay?

You're not a very
good journalist, are you?

You're really bad at it.

This is probably the best
you're going to do.

Your wife really doesn't love you.

At all.

She's fucking some
other guy right now.

It's probably someone you know.

It's probably your brother, if you have
a brother, or a relative of yours.

Your boyfriend's having
sex in your own room.

God, he's really good,
I don't really know what to say.

What do I do?

Let me do something.
Okay.

Let me take over for a second.
Let me just, let me see.

Okay, John, I'm going to do a
little drilling with you, okay?

Louis.

Start.

Oh, Jesus. Do we have to do that?

I hate you!

Face me comfortably. Okay?

Flunked.
Can we not do that one?

We've got to flatten it now.
I don't like loud noises.

Now that it's started
we have to flatten it.

We're going to flatten this button. Okay?

Start.

I think if you've seen in the public eye
people who are prominent scientologists

they have a sort of very
forceful, er, bearing.

An intentional type of personality.

That's essentially what
these things drill in.

Purpose. To make student clearly
achieve tone 40 commands.

Tone 40.

- The highest tone.
- The highest tone.

So they'd be the
most effective commands?

The most effective commands.
It's an effortless thing, ultimately.

First locate the space
in which the object is located.

You see that space?
Yes, I do.

Locate the object in that space.

Okay.

Command the object in
the loudest possible voice he can muster.

Now. We're going to get into the
commands, which are stand up

thank you, sit down
in that chair. Right?

Okay.

Put one hand on each side.
Okay, good.

So command it as loudly as you can.

Stand up!

Okay. Have it comply.

Acknowledge it as
loudly as you can.

Thank you.

Command it as loudly as you can.

Sit down in that chair!

Thank you.

Now have it comply.

Now.

Thank you!

Okay, good.

All right, now do this.
Think the thought 'I am a wildflower.'

Okay.
Good.

Think the thought that
you are sitting in a chair.

Okay.

Imagine the thought, that thought,
of you sitting in a chair.

Imagine that thought being
in that ashtray. Imagine it.

Okay.

Now get the ashtray thinking
that it is an ashtray.

You know, I'm going along with this
but it isn't making a whole lot of sense.

Okay.
But is that okay?

Well, it's imagination.
Okay. Got it. I'm telling you...

Put in the ashtray the
intention to remain where it is.

Okay.

Okay, do you get any...
did you get that at all?

Well, I'm imagining it having a little voice
saying 'I'm going to remain where I am.'

Okay, all right. Get the idea of
putting a thought into my mind

about whether to continue
this drill or to dump it.

One way or the other. I want you
to put that intention right back here.

Whether I should continue this drill
or whether I should dump it.

You want me to continue the drill.

Yes.
Okay, good. I got that.

Now, we always
end up by the portrait of Hubbard.

Let's give a hand to him
and everybody stands up.

If we wanted to do that, would you
be comfortable with us doing it?

You can do it but I'm going to go.

If we all visualized
a picture of Hubbard?

I mean, I advise you guys
not to do it but...

Guys, do you want to...
- If you want to join this guy's cult, that's okay with me.

Let's just get a sense
of what it feels like.

Whether it feels...
it might not even feel weird.

Connor's up for it. I don't want to do it
if it's going to annoy you, Marty.

No, go ahead and do it,
I'm just not participating, that's all.

Then the thing... the other
thing that goes with it, Louis, is

everything positive
that happens to you

you get validated by attributing it
to what you learned from Hubbard.

And everything negative
that happens to you

you're counseled that it's your lack
of application of what you did learn.

And then it really becomes
mind control, by definition.

And that's the game. That's why
I really don't want to participate in it.

You don't seriously...

I figured the whole...
I figured the whole mousetrap out

and I just don't want
to engage in it, that's all.

I'm not participating in that shit.

Let's give a hand to LRH!

You see, I think the whole thing was a
freaking failure. You want to know why?

Because they went ahead
and did what he suggested

after I went through all that work to try
and get them to become self-determined

and able to exercise intention

and they all went and
followed this new cult leader.

The Louis Theroux cult.

Is he all right?

Do you find my questions
inane in general?

In general no, I'm just, you know...

With the ones you're
asking now, I mean, I find...

I just don't understand

why you're asking them
like you're asking them at this point.

I've spent so many hours with you

and then you make everything
sound so pedestrian

and you... I don't know
what you're wanting me to...

I've told the story, like,
I don't know how many times

do you want me to tell you again?

I mean, we went through this
last time I was here.

I got into the whole freaking thing.

I remember these are the same
questions coming again

like you're gonna get
a different answer now?

Or you're gonna find an inconsistency,
you know, you're gonna...

What's the purpose of this?

Yesterday it seemed like you,
a couple of times

maybe I was getting on
your nerves a little bit.

Is that a statement?

Er...
- I'm sorry you had... I'm sorry you got that impression.

Ask me something
that truly puzzles you

that you think I might
have the answer to.

That you haven't asked
me six times already.

What did it feel like
punching Marc Headley?

Er, it hurt my... it hurt.

It hurt my fist.

The guy is built like a tank.

We've had another letter.

To be honest with you,
we've had a couple more letters.

And they're similar in tone
and what they basically say is

you are embarked on a project that is
run through with religious bigotry.

The church's version of events is that

they do massive amounts of good work.
Social betterment programmes.

They alleviate illiteracy,
drug addiction, um, criminal behaviour.

They do disaster relief.

And it, you know, and what
we're doing is ignoring all of that

and focusing of a tiny handful
of disgruntled ex-members.

And that Marty Rathbun in particular

is a deeply unstable
and untrustworthy figure

with a vendetta against the church.

These are letters from Carter Ruck

the lawyers retained by
the Church of Scientology

and they were sent to me.

These are from
Marty Rathbun's weblog

describing the leader of
the Scientology religion as

Ayatollah Miscavige

and the Church of Scientology
as Radical Scientology

which is obviously abusive and offensive
of both Mr Miscavige and the church.

Well, first of all...

I think it's an understatement,
if anything.

'Mr Fiathbun has an extensive
record of misrepresenting his position.

For instance, he worked in an
external-affairs position when in the Church

and never served in an ecclesiastical
management role, contrary to his claims.'

This is absurd.

There are absurd things in these letters
that you're taking for granted.

What was your issue with that one?

Because I was the Inspector General.

Which is what, what did you do?

Which is actually the
highest ecclesiastical position

contemplated ever
by L. Ron Hubbard.

I was the baddest ass
dude in Scientology.

The highest level public...

The hierarchy of
the Church of Scientology

was absolutely at the
beck and call of me.

When you look back at the stuff you did,
what is the stuff you most regret?

You see, why are
you jumping to that?

You ask me these questions that act as if
what happened in a one-minute period

is who I was for 28 years?

It's bullshit.

As I've spent time with Marty, it's become
clear he is a double-edged figure.

Both the chief whistle-blower

but also, as the church's
own documents make clear

in his time, the chief enforcer.

One of the most notorious episodes
was when he was Inspector General.

Marty claims he arranged for
a top Scientology defector

to be tailed by two Pls

because they thought he might have absconded
with some religious writings of Hubbard's.

And the tailing apparently
continued for around 20 years.

So you could argue that Marty
went along with the regime

until he fell out of favour.

By Marty's account, in 2004

he'd been away on assignment
and he returned to the Int Base

to find that David Miscavige had created
this punishment area for upper management

called the SP Hole.

And within weeks,
Marty himself had been sent there

and it was only then that he blew.

You know, if those are
scientologists, they're not SPs

they're not outsiders, so why
are they going into the Hole?

Well, Miscavige says that they are SPs

who are working against him
and trying to get him to fail.

They were sleeping in there,
they would eat their meals in there

and you can imagine if you have
30 or 40 people living in an office space

24 hours a day
for weeks and months

you can imagine what it was like.

It was just dirty and degraded,
you know?

This is something I was awarded when
I got Dianetics on the bestseller list.

Oh, see, this is interesting.

It's a leather bound copy of... let me
grab some other photos if I can find them.

That's some photos of
my third wife, Catherine.

You know, I went down to
the Int Base and I met Catherine Fraser.

- Mmm. My ex. Yeah.
- Your ex-wife.

I think she, at heart,
is a good person.

That's trapped in
a not so good system

and, um... but I know that
she's a good person at heart.

I've also been spending
a bit of time with Marty Rathbun.

What was the impression
of Marty at the base?

How was he viewed?
He was, er...

Tough. Uncompromising and, er...

Liked?

Not really.
Feared maybe.

That atmosphere brings
out the worst in people.

Either they submit or they become
one of the predators, you know.

And Marty for a while was
one of the predators there.

And in a sense he was, you know,
the Mr Fix-It for David Miscavige

and did some of the dirty work.

Oh yeah, yeah. And I don't think
he's divulged all. I'll just say that.

You don't think so?

I don't think he's
divulged everything.

What makes you say that?

Well, because I've read all of his books
and his columns and stuff like that

and I just get the feeling he's tiptoeing
around some subjects, you know.

Marty knows where
all the bodies are buried.

This was the escape route,
I was coming in the other direction.

The base is about
5 miles down that way.

This was your escape route?

Yeah, I was on my motorcycle,
it was about... low forties.

Were you pursued?
Raining.

I don't know. I didn't see anybody.

But I just went like a bat out of hell
and I went down this road here.

When you blew,
this is the way you came?

- Yeah.
- When you fled the Hole.

Yes, sir.

So the idea is just to re-enact some of
the events that you lived through, Marty.

Uh-huh.
Using, you know...

And you want to have the
environment to be similar?

Yeah, we want to do it as close
to the real place as we can.

Well, it was all inside.

So you could literally
recreate it anywhere.

I think we're good,
what do you think?

I'll have a look,
I can't see anything.

Have a look.

Oh, this is great.

So what did you think of the lines?

What lines?
These lines, the ones that I...

They suck, they're unnatural.

They're from your book.
You got to be natural.

It just comes out like a flood.

Do we think we're going
to put trailers out here

or do you think that we would do
just as well doing it in a set in LA?

- Better.
- Better?

- Better.
- Why?

You don't have the logistical problems
of bringing all these actors out here.

There's... this is a logistics
nightmare out here, okay?

You got to create that
claustrophobia, you know.

You know, it's nondescript,
cheap-ass sort of office set-up.

Well, we'll figure that stuff out.

Hey, before we
lose the light, Marty

I was just going to take
Andrew just by the base

by the Int Base - he expressed
an interest in doing that.

You don't want to go
by the base do you?

No.

It was that red car that
was there for a long time

and Marty was in...

We're going to lose the light,
we'd better get down there.

What is this, Sublette Road?

Road Closed?

- Closed.
- What?

Was this closed last time?

No. Can they do that?

Lights.

Oh shit.
What?

That's us.
Oh.

Is that... that's barbed wire?

I think that's some kind of barbed
wire or spikes on top of there.

Spikes?
Yeah.

Whoa.
Oh.

That is actually quite helpful.

And there are cameras there as well.

Okay.

What... is it trying
to communicate something?

Why is it flashing?
You guys are trespassing.

You need to leave or
I'm going to call the oops.

Hi, how are you doing?

You're trespassing. You need
to leave or I'm calling the oops.

It's okay, we have a permit.

For the third time, you're trespassing,
you need to leave or I'm calling the cops.

- We have a permit, it's fine.
- Leave.

We've got a permit, sir.

Are we allowed to leave?

Are we allowed to leave?

Yeah, while he's calling the oops,
or is that somehow...

Er. Yeah, yeah, yeah I think so.
not allowed?

I think that's what they want,
they want us to leave.

Okay. Well it doesn't seem like we're
doing much else here, right? I mean...

Are you okay?

- I'm fine.
- You're not worried about it?

Well, the way
that guy was barking at us...

But he was using tone 40.

- Yeah, I think it was, like, tone 20.
- I'm serious.

- You think 20... 20'?
- Yeah.

They're on Sublette Road.

They're just being curious Parkers,
they're trespassing.

The road is closed,
we've told them to leave.

You can't see where I'm calling?
What is my... Yeah, yeah.

Hello. Did you want
to see the permit?

One is from England,
I know he's a BBC reporter

I have no idea of his name.

Louis.

Um, Louis?
Louis.

Okay, the road's closed, you're
trespassing and you need to leave.

Apparently it's a public road.
No, it isn't.

And we have a...
The road is... No, you don't.

But can I just show you the permit?

No it isn't, it isn't a public road.

- It's trespassing.
- Look, Catherine, Catherine.

You're not that stupid. You see that thing?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're assaulting me.

It says road closed.

Look. Look.
No, look. Come here.

Come here.
Let me show you.

No, come on, what's your name?
No, please.

Lewis?
Louis. Louis. Louis.

Look. Are you so stupid
you cannot see the sign

that says road closed?
But, look, it's...

ls there anything about that
that you don't understand?

Closed?
Well, look, I've got a permit...

Do you know what a road means?
with a name on it.

It's closed.

We're not... we don't...
The road is closed.

We don't want to
create any issue for you.

And I don't want
him filming me, so tell him to stop.

Well, you're filming us.

Tell him to stop.
Why don't you tell him to stop?

Tell him to stop.

You tell him to stop
and I'll tell him to stop.

How about that?
Stop.

Tell him to stop.

Louis, you need to leave.

Catherine, we don't need to leave.

Yes, you do.

Catherine, we don't.
You're trespassing.

We're not. Catherine.
Well, you're not trespassing now.

You can stay here all night.
Fine. Thank you. Catherine.

Catherine, what are
you angry about?

You know, we... our... my...
You're going to stand there.

My deep desire is actually to speak
to someone from the Sea Org.

Oh right. Right, oh Louis. Oh yeah.
- So you're actually doing me quite big favour...

by being here.
You're like, oh yeah, you're so honest.

Oh yeah. Yeah.
You take the stars for honesty.

So what... so this is good, like,
let's just keep the conversation going.

No, we're done. Bye, Louis.

What, don't... you don't have to go,
you're not trespassing.

Wait till the police come.
We'd like you to stay.

Catherine?

Can we talk to you?

Are you in the Sea Org as well?

Are you making a
documentary as well?

And if so, who is your one for?

Catherine,
I think we're going to go, okay?

Just so you know. All right?

You guys are missing
all the action inside the terminal.

I've got Mark Yager,
Jenny De Vocht

and Dave Bloomberg,
another hit guy

sort of getting in my face here.

I've got it on videotape,
you guys might be interested in it.

Er. Anyway, there you go,
you guys missed the fireworks.

So a call's just come in from Marty
saying that once he'd got through security

there were three prominent
scientologists on the other side.

So they've started again,
squirrel busting.

Can you move on, please?

Can you guys move on, please?

They're behaving in a way
that's so obviously pathological.

You would think that they would
realise that other people would see that

and think this is a religion of lunatics.

They are doing it for one audience.

Which is David Miscavige.

They are trying to prove
that they are loyal to him

because he holds all the strings.
He has the ultimate power in Scientology.

He could banish them
from Scientology with a word.

He holds your eternity in his hand

so it's not just the threat of
death, it's the threat of, er...

really dying over and
over and over again

and in ignorance and darkness

and that's what they
think is in store for them.

He has ultimate spiritual
power over scientologists.

He says who goes up the bridge and
who doesn't go up the bridge, you know?

And he can bar you from Scientology
forever if you cross him.

And he knows that. You know,
he knows the power that he's got.

Same power Hubbard had. You know?

You worked with
David Miscavige quite a bit.

Oh yeah.

And he didn't like you much, did he?

No, no.

He, er, physically beat me up
on about 5 separate occasions.

There was one case where
I was in a meeting with him

I was presenting an infomercial
script that I had worked on.

He hated it and he's getting himself
worked up and worked up and worked up

and finally he jumps up on
the conference room table.

He's a little guy but he's
like, you know, muscular.

Jumps up on the
conference room table

launches himself at me,
knocks me back against a partition

beating my face and then
he knocks me on the floor.

And then he stalks out of the room

and there were literally, like,
30 or 40 top executives in that room.

And they're saying

'Get up, get up you don't
want to make him wrong.'

You know, like if I laid there
all scratched up and torn

that would be making him wrong
and that would be terrible.

This is the re-enactment which
we've been talking about doing.

And Marty's here and we've got
our set as discussed with him.

We've got actors, we've got
a script written by Marty

based on what allegedly happened at the
Gold Base around the time of the Hole.

So we're going to
improvise based on that.

And we have as well
in the background

although I haven't
told Marty this yet

but we have Tom Cruise.

I'm not suggesting that he was
at the Int Base at this time

or that he knew what was going on.

But as Scientology's poster boy

whatever happened in
Scientology for good or ill

carries his name on it.

Welcome to the Hole.

This is a recreation of the watchdog
committee conference room

which was at the international
base at Riverside, California.

There was a guard at the door
meals were brought in.

Sleeping bags were put on the floor,
people had to sleep there.

Miscavige then reading in
all of these evil intentions

that these people
must have against him.

And it must be some kind of...
and this is kind of Scientology thinking

that there's some suppressive
person that's poisoning everything

unbeknownst to everybody else.

And so there was more and
more people getting into it

and when I was there
it was, like, 60 people

and apparently it went up to 80 or 100
at different times after I left.

Were they kept against
their will, would you say?

All of the doors
and windows were barred

and there was a
security guard at the door

so I would call that
against their will.

But if they'd wanted to badly enough

it's hard not to feel they
could have made a run for it.

Well, yes, yes.

And this is one of the things that people
don't understand about that environment.

I mean, take my case.

I finally decided to turn my back
on the whole subject and leave.

I had to walk away from
a 35-year commitment.

My wife who I loved very much.

All of the friends I had in the world
were at that Int Base.

A person has to be so desperate
to just turn their back on everything

and say 'I don't care about all that.

I have to leave this place
because it's just too oppressive'

and walk out into a world
that is just totally foreign

and where they don't know anybody,
they don't know the rules

they don't know how to get a job,
they don't know how to get a bank account.

You know, it's a foreign world that they
have to go out and somehow cope with.

Alone. And people say
'Why don't they just walk out?'

Well, that's why. Because,
in essence, it's a kind of a suicide.

You have to say 'My life is over

and I'm walking out of my life
and into a totally different life.'

You know, it's that level of
desperation that you have to get to

and people that are still in there, they
haven't gotten to that level of desperation.

The people in the Hole, they haven't gotten
to that level of desperation - yet. You know?

And this incident we're doing is when

he finally decides the last person
he trusts he doesn't trust anymore

and I'm getting sentenced to the Hole.
And three days later, I was gone.

Because I thought leaving was
the only thing I could do so sort of...

wake him up, because if I leave,
I hold the keys to the kingdom

and that should sober him up.

What the fuck is that doing?!

Get the fuck up.
Fucking DB.

Walk.

Walk.

Fucking crawl.

Get down.

Lick the fucking floor.

Lick the floor.

It may be that every religion carries within
it the DNA for its own distinct crimes.

Fucking mental midgets, that's right.

The Hole and the allegations of abuse

are in my view an extreme
but logical extension...

of the principles of Scientology.
Where do you sleep? Where do you sleep?

Answer my fucking question!

On the ground, sir.
Where on the ground?

And I am so frantic

trying to light a fire
under your lazy asses

since you routinely let everything go to hell
the second I don't have a gun to your head.

The Sea Org is imbued
with a Spartan warrior ethic

and bull baiting, squirrel busting
and shattering suppression

are part of their dogma,.

This motherfucker.

While I'm busy trying
to put things back in order

because you fucking degraded
beings don't get shit done.

Look at this fucking Org board.

Fucking Org board.

You fucking SP.

The way you fucking handle an SP...

is you handle him roughly.

You handle him roughly!

You fucking handle him roughly!

Okay?

Okay?

Yes, sir.

- Yes! Yes!
- Yes, sir.

The church denies the
existence of the Hole

and any abuse by David Miscavige.

It provides numerous statements from people
who say these things just never happened.

Sit down. Sit down. Sit down.

But there are also
many ex-church members

who say that they did happen

and I've come to believe a
version of this did take place.

And watching it unfold,
I kept thinking about Marty

and his years of service
and his complicity.

Okay.

Anyone listens to this
fucking cocksucker

you are automatically and
immediately SP declared.

Have a pleasant evening.

Cut. That was a command
performance. We're done.

That was just a command performance.
Is everyone alright?

Man, he was on a roll.

I just sat back and watched because
it was as if he was channeling that guy.

That was... that is what it was.

And you can see, it becomes
an overwhelm, and you're like 'Whoa!'

What's an SP like you
doing in a place like this?

Don't you ever give it up?

We're actually...
You're not going to talk to us, Marty?

Oh look! You've got
another guy with a camera.

Hey, guys, what are you doing?

That's terrific. We actually
came to talk to Marty.

- Go on.
- Yeah.

- Yeah, so anyway, Marty...
- You want to identify yourselves?

How much is the
BBC paying you, Marty?

I just wanted to find out,
like, between the foster care

and what the BBC is paying you,
is that enough for you to cover your nut?

- Can you identify yourselves, please?
- Did Moby have to go?

Actually I'm having a comm
cycle here with Marty.

Yeah, the foster care. Do you get
paid enough for the foster care?

You, I think I know.

Where is your friend from last time?

These guys hired me this time.

Can you tell me who they are?

You can ask them, don't... They hired
me to work on their documentary.

Did you finish the other project?

Nicely done. I have no interest
in being filmed. Thanks, Marty.

Guys, stick around. Please.

It's the same guy.

Which guy, the cameraman?

Can we just have you names?

This is really sick, man.

This is really sick.

They're saying that are you getting
paid enough for your foster care

between this and your foster care,
is that paying you enough?

How much are they paying you?

Between that and your foster care
are you able to survive?

I don't know anything
about foster care.

Monique and I are providing for him.
It's a straight adoption.

None of these things just happen.

David Miscavige had to direct this.
He scripted it and directed it.

- Big roll!
- Oooh!

That is a five. That is a five.
Two and five.

Now, I got to see what I'm
gonna do with it but, er...

One, two.
You lucky motherfucker.

He brought my wife's name
into it and he's brought my son into this.

I didn't want to do it

but I'm going to have to pull
the plug on this organization.

You don't bring my child into this.

Not unless you want me to do something
extremely severe in response.

Do the actors know
what was going on?

We probably shouldn't tell them.
They'll just get upset.

You know, welcome to my life, Louis.

And I say you've just illustrated it.

Like, I'm working with these people
but I've got to withhold from them

that these guys are in my face here
because they might be upset.

It's the same thing I have to go
through with all of my contacts in life.

I have to live this life

where I can't really share what
happens to me on a day-to-day basis

because if I do, it freaks people out.
Do you understand the burden?

We can't make friends.
It's very difficult.

To say 'Hey, um, you know,
come on over for a barbecue

but realise you might be
being surveilled

and it might be going into the archive

of the most pernicious, dangerous cult

that the western world
has known in the past 50 years.'

You understand what I'm saying?

But I will tell you this.

He will rue the day
that he brought my son into this.

He will rue the day.

You know, we talked early on about...

You know, you were, er,
you ran private investigators.

I mean, some of these techniques
were things you did to other people.

- I mean, you ran Pls who infiltrated...
- You know, you are so wrong.

I never, ever, even crossed
my mind to think about...

about bringing a person's
child into something.

I never, ever, ever crossed my mind to use
a terroristic technique like that. Ever.

Nothing like this.

I mean, you had people
pretending to be people's friends

while secretly...
Yeah, alright.

I mean, I'm not trying
to give you... isn't that a fact?

- Huh'?
- Isn't that a fact though?

You're a fucking asshole,
that's a fact.

Fuck you.

You know, I'm sitting here having
my child brought into this thing

and you want to fucking sit here and
make me defend myself. Fuck yourself.

I have to be subjected to this shit

and I got to take this shit from him?

All right, forget it, Marty.
I'm not trying...

You know, fuck yourself.

Truly.
I consider myself fucked.

I don't know what to say now,
like, do you want to change the...

You should apologise
for starters and say that's...

we're canceling that,
we'll pick up where we...

Alright, fine, cancel that.
before that whole thing started.

But even then, I want
a minute to cool down.

Because this is really offensive.

I'm really fucking offended by it.
I'm telling you, I have no life

I can't even make friendships,
I am unemployable

and you start giving me this shit?

That definitely brings us
to both the close of tonight's event

and the start of a whole new era

yet before we part I want you to
remember the two operative words

with which we opened this
evening - Necessity Level.

The moment you realise
the scope of Scientology

the very instant
you accepted its power

in one way or another,
you are committed by necessity

to help in every way you can.

We mean it. And the only slim
chance that this planet has

rests on a few slim shoulders. Over worked,
underpaid and fought, the scientologist.

Later on, if we make it

what will be your answer
to this question?

Did you help?

And I say, let's all make it happen.
Thank you very much to LRH.

That inspirational speech and
the film of the 2004 gala

is the dream of how the world
would be with Scientology.

Well-ordered and grandiose

and reaching for
some higher purpose.

All the bull baiting and
the shattering suppression

they're justified because of this.

And in spite of everything I now know

a little part of me still feels
the pull of their vision.

It may be tempting
to look at the faces

and see foolishness.

But you could also choose to see good
people who are members of a church

that's been hijacked
by its own Pope.

Thank you very much,
see you next year, goodnight.

Well, they think they're
saving the world, right?

They see you as the
ultimate suppressive.

Ah, see, that's where you're wrong.

That's where you're wrong.

Ultimately, it's as if he
literally in his warped mind

is begging me
to end all this for him.

He knows I'm the truth, man.

And that is the scariest
thing in the world to him.

I am done with it.

And they keep...
- Oh, your number's up, Marty, they're going to arrest you.

They keep pulling me back in.

- Morning.
- Howdy.

We're just doing some
random inspections here today.

Yeah.
We need to take a look in the back

make sure you don't have any
missiles hidden back there.

There's some guys in there.

It is on, yeah,
that is on, we're filming.

- Okay.
- We're making a movie.