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♪
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As long as I live and
participate in public affairs,
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I will make sure that Wagner
is not played in Israel
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and his operas also
will not be performed.
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♪
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We've hired
the orchestra,
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there are people
from all over
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who are flying in especially
for this historic event
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so plans are going
according to plans
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and we're going to have,
I'm sure,
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a beautiful event
on the 18th of June.
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♪
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I saw it coming.
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I, I was afraid that
that's gonna happen
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and uh, so I wasn't
surprised,
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I was disappointed because
we put a lot of work into this.
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The head of
the Wagner Association,
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he hired our largest hall
here in Tel Aviv University
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and when the university
found out
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that this is for
the performance of Wagner
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and got letters
from survivors then it,
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it was cancelled.
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You cannot ignore it
that he was declared
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an anti-Semite.
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For Hitler and his uh,
friends
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he really symbolized
the ideal of anti-Jewishness
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and anti-Semitism.
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Richard Wagner once said,
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"The Jew is the shape-shifting
demon
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behind mankind's downfall."
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And these pictures prove
that he was right.
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♪
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Richard Wagner:
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composer, musical giant,
anti-Semite.
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To some, a Wagner Society
in the Jewish state
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may seem strange,
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but in fact the story
of Jews supporting Wagner
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dates back
to Wagner himself.
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There were always
Jews around him.
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The Jews in Germany were
some of the greatest
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admirers and backers
of Wagner.
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He was already accused of
being part Jewish himself
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because he had
so many Jewish friends.
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They used to call him
the Rabbi of Bayreuth.
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Copying, coaching,
conducting
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and they all did it
for nothing, of course.
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♪
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Psychologically he needs
Jews around
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to feel better,
to feel superior to them.
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For us to look back and say
how could German Jews
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embrace Wagner,
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they embraced Wagner's
great music.
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And it was
a theatrical experience
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which was better than
3D and "Avatar".
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It was more thrilling
than the latest video game.
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Do I not buy the video game
because it's made by
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an anti-Semitic
manufacturer?
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♪
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There's something very
appealing to Jews of Wagner.
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I mean, what he most
absolutely classic
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Jewish fantasy
is "Lohengrin".
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♪
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What better myth
that I,
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without having my name known
or where I came from,
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I'm gonna rescue
this country.
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That fantasy is the fantasy
of the outsider
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coming into the center
in triumph
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and that's the fantasy
of "Lohengrin",
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appeal to every
aspiring young Jew.
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So Wagner understood
the aspiration
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that he himself felt
because he himself
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felt himself
excluded as an outsider,
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as a rebel,
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gaining entrance
into the center
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by redefining it.
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Well, one theory is
that Wagner thought
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he himself was Jewish.
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First of all,
he wasn't quite sure
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who his father was,
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and his stepfather
was Ludwig Geyer.
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He may have been
his real father.
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Geyer is considered
like a German Jewish name.
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And Nietzsche
during that famous
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walk on the beach
with Wagner
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brought up this question
of the Jewish descent
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of Ludwig Geyer.
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And Wagner confides about
his fear that Geyer
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was Jewish.
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This would have solidified
in Wagner's emotions
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this real fear
he was Jewish.
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It was some-,
something evil in himself
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he had to expurgate,
destroy, cleanse out.
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♪ You shall
never ask me ♪
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♪ Where I began
my journey ♪
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♪ Nor shall you ever
ask my name ♪
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♪ Or that of my people ♪
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Do not ask me
my name
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and my race.
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I don't think you can find
a more dramatic exposition
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of the problem as Wagner
may very well have seen it.
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Wagner's first Jewish patron
was Giacomo Meyerbeer,
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the most successful
opera composer of his day.
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Meyerbeer was German,
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but he lived and worked
in Paris.
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There he wrote gripping
dramatic spectacles
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that took the opera world
by storm.
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♪
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Meyerbeer was doing
what Wagner dreamed of doing.
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Meyerbeer was the most
successful opera composer
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in Paris.
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Then Paris was the center
of the operatic universe,
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but that's what Wagner
wanted for himself.
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♪
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Wagner's early opera,
"Rienzi",
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was a deliberate homage
to Meyerbeer's own grand operas.
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♪
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This young man interests me.
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He has both talent
and enthusiasm,
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but fortune has not
smiled on him.
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He has written me a long
and very touching letter
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and it is because of this
that I am asking you
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to ensure that he receives
the help
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contained in this letter.
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Meyerbeer gave Wagner money
and introduced him to members
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of the musical establishment.
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Meyerbeer saw "Rienzi",
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saw a tremendous talent
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and Meyerbeer arranged for
the Dresden premier
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of "Rienzi" itself.
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♪
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On Meyerbeer's recommendation
"Rienzi" was accepted
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for production
in Dresden,
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Wagner's first
operatic production,
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and "The Flying Dutchman"
was accepted in Berlin.
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Meyerbeer put him
on the road, as it were.
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You have to understand
that for someone
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of the personality
of Wagner
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the last thing
you want to be is debted,
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to have to feel grateful
to someone.
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You feel it's your own doing,
you're a self creator,
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self created man.
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And if that person
is a Jew
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then that just intensifies
the whole resentment.
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1848.
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Democratic revolutions
sweep across Germany.
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The idealistic Wagner
joins the fight.
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He plots with
revolutionary agitators
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and heads to the barricades
for street warfare in Dresden.
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♪
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But the revolution is crushed
by the king's troops.
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Now Wagner is forced
to escape Germany
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to avoid arrest
for treason,
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an offense punishable
by death.
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Homeless and desperate
he turns his steps to Paris.
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There he finds his patron,
Meyerbeer,
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more successful
than ever.
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A friend says that I
must have money here,
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like Meyerbeer, or rather
more than Meyerbeer.
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Or I must make people
afraid of me.
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Well, I have no money
but what I do have
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is an enormous desire
to commit acts
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of artistic terrorism.
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In order to create the myth
of the misunderstood genius
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who reaps success
with no one's help
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he now had to
erase Meyerbeer,
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he had to demonize him.
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Now a new answer emerges
in Wagner's mind.
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The reason that he,
not Meyerbeer,
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is the next great
German composer
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is that Meyerbeer
is Jewish
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and a Jew can never
write real music.
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This is the message
of his essay,
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"Judaism in Music",
published in 1850
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under a pseudonym,
Freigedank,
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Free Thinker.
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He creates a whole
ideology
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about race
and creativity
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showing that in order
to be creative
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an individual has to be
rooted in a society
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and have a kind of
historic relationship
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to landscape and language
and to the social life
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of the community.
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Jews as outsiders
are denied the basic roots
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of creativity.
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They are parasites,
they're wandering,
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not truly connected.
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Therefore their best suit
as artists is imitative,
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but they have no
real creativity.
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The Jew speaks the language
in whose midst he dwells
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from generation
to generation,
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but he speaks it always
as an alien.
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The important thing is
that he's the first person
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to popularize the idea that
what's dangerous about the Jew
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is the capacity
to assimilate.
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Because the Jews want
to look creative,
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they want to look
like everybody else,
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and they actually do it
very well
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because they're very good
at the imitation
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and therefore they're
an invisible poison.
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We have to explain
to ourselves
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the involuntary repellants
possessed for us
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by the nature and
the personality of the Jews.
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...feeling of
the greatest revulsion,
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repugnance against
the Jewish nature.
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In particular the purely
physical aspects...
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...creaking, squeaking,
buzzing, snuffle,
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yodel, cackle.
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His first wife Minna,
could never come to terms
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with this anti-Semitism.
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I used to be happy
in the knowledge that you
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were close to me while
you created
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all the beautiful things.
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You always made me
so happy,
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sang and played almost
every new scene for me.
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But since two years ago
when you wanted
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to read me that essay
in which you slander
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an entire race which
has been fundamentally
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helpful to you I could not
force myself to listen.
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And ever since that time
you have borne
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a grudge against me
and punished me
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so severely for it
that you never again
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let me hear anything
from your works.
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She was very insightful.
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I mean, she understood
there was something wrong
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and she picked it up.
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After that he lost
all this respect for her
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as a judge,
as a companion even.
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So there was that
emotional break
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and new affairs
and all the rest of it.
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In "Judaism in Music"
Wagner attacked the Jews
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for being wandering nomads.
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But he himself
was a wanderer,
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a wanted man
with a price on his head.
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He would not be able
to return to Germany
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for 12 more years.
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♪
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Wagner's next home
was here in Switzerland
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where he was supported
by wealthy friends.
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He was now separated
from his wife.
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♪
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One day an unexpected visitor
knocked on the door.
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Carl Tausig.
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He was 16 years old
from Warsaw
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and already gaining
a reputation
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as one of the greatest
piano virtuosos in Europe.
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He was also Jewish.
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He was a student,
I would say a protégé,
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of Franz Liszt.
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He had a letter
of recommendation from Liszt.
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I send you today
a wonderful fellow,
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dearest Richard.
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Receive him kindly.
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Tausig is to work
your Erard thoroughly
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and to play all manner
of things for you.
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♪
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And the fact that Wagner
was swept off his feet
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by the youngster's playing
I guess
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wouldn't be any surprise
because he was,
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by all accounts,
a wonderful pianist.
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♪
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More important than that
he took a paternal interest
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in the boy.
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He just took him
under his wing,
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practically adopted him.
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He found a place for
the boy to live
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in a small cubby hole,
as he calls it,
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near his own home.
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♪
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Tausig is gradually worming
his way into my heart.
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Small bad habits apart
he is really
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a very intelligent,
sympathetic,
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and good hearted
youngster.
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♪
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This was a new experience
for Wagner
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and it's really amusing
to read it
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because he must have thought
the boy
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was something exceptional,
but in his behavior
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he was just a normal
16 year old.
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He sits down to table
every day
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stating that he has
no appetite at all
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which pleases me
all the less
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because the reason is
the cheese and the sweets
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he has eaten.
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He hates walking,
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and yet declares that he
would like to come with me
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when I propose
to leave him at home.
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After the first half hour
he lags behind
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as if he had walked
for four hours.
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My childless marriage is
thus, suddenly blessed
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with an interesting
phenomenon.
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And I take in
in rapid doses
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the quintessence
of paternal cares and troubles.
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♪
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At the same time
it touches and moves me
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when this boy shows
such deep, tender feelings.
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Such large sympathy that
he captivates me
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irresistibly.
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♪
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Wagner was
a terrible,
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terrible pianist.
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He never really learned.
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Which is one of the reasons
he very often had,
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when he could afford it,
a young man nearby,
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00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:28,487
always at hand who could
play the piano for him.
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This is at the cusp,
Wagner's at the cusp,
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of the development of
real racial anti-Semitism
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which means you're Jewish,
I'm Jewish,
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we're all alike,
nothing we can do.
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By the same token there was
a long tradition
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of exceptional Jews.
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Jews, because of
their wealth
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or their education who
were accepted
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in Christian society.
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I don't like your relatives,
but I like you.
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Three years later
he's living in Vienna.
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♪
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00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:02,020
He meets Tausig again there,
he's living in Vienna.
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00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:06,525
By now Tausig had a major
career as a pianist.
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He helped Wagner meet
wealthy supporters
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and put on concerts
to introduce Wagner's music
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to the Viennese public.
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♪
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In 1863 Wagner embarked
on a tour across Europe
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to earn much needed income
as a traveling conductor.
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Many of his concerts
were organized by Tausig
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00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:50,569
and two other
Jewish musicians:
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00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:55,073
Leopold Damrosch,
and Heinrich Porges.
329
00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:58,077
Such demoniac personalities
cannot be judged
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by ordinary standards.
331
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,582
They are egotists
of the first water
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00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:05,083
and must be so,
333
00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:08,587
or they could never
fulfill their mission.
334
00:18:08,587 --> 00:18:11,089
On his travels Wagner found
that some of
335
00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:15,594
his most loyal audiences
were Jews.
336
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To my amazement I found
almost the entire room
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00:18:19,098 --> 00:18:21,600
at all events,
the front seats
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00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,102
filled with Jews.
339
00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:27,606
And in fact I owed
such success as I obtained
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00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:31,109
to the interest excited
in this section
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00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:33,612
of the population.
342
00:18:33,612 --> 00:18:37,616
Jews were deeply invested
in the music of their time.
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00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:41,119
They were the leading
sector in most cities
344
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,623
in the population
of audience and of students.
345
00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:47,626
Being a musician didn't
require that you give up
346
00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:48,627
your ways as a Jew.
347
00:18:48,627 --> 00:18:52,130
It was compatible with
remaining very traditionally
348
00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,632
Jewish.
349
00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:56,134
So music had a place in
a way that let's say,
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00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:59,638
imagery, painting,
sculpture never had
351
00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:02,641
as part of Gentile culture
to be assimilated
352
00:19:02,641 --> 00:19:04,643
into the Jewish home.
353
00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:07,145
So that there are Jews
that flocked to Wagner
354
00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:12,151
it's because there were
a lot of Jews in music.
355
00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,653
Ideologically you could
conjure up anti-Semitism
356
00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:17,155
out of nowhere but what
decides whether
357
00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:20,159
a person becomes
an obsessive anti-Semite
358
00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:23,662
or an active one depends
on their emotional persona,
359
00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:25,163
the personality.
360
00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:28,667
Usually whether they have
paranoid traits.
361
00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,168
Every time something negative
happened
362
00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:32,171
where a Jewish person
was concerned
363
00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:33,672
he would say, "A-ha.
364
00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:35,674
This happened because
he's Jewish."
365
00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,175
This happens
even today.
366
00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:41,180
One uses the opportunity
to hate Jews
367
00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,183
by circumstantial
evidence.
368
00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:47,186
Wagner's wife, Minna,
had spoken out against
369
00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:48,687
his anti-Semitism.
370
00:19:48,687 --> 00:19:51,189
But they were now
permanently separated.
371
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:54,193
He had a new lover,
soon to be his second wife,
372
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:58,697
Cosima, the young daughter
of his friend, Franz Liszt.
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00:19:58,697 --> 00:19:59,698
♪
374
00:19:59,698 --> 00:20:02,701
His second wife treated him
as a curator
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00:20:02,701 --> 00:20:04,202
treats a rare object.
376
00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:08,207
Well, she worshipped him,
she utterly worshipped the man.
377
00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:11,210
But she became,
if it's possible,
378
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:15,714
a greater anti-Semite
than he was.
379
00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:18,216
Despite his Jewish
supporters
380
00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,219
Richard and Cosima
were convinced
381
00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:22,721
that he was being
persecuted by the Jews.
382
00:20:22,721 --> 00:20:25,724
Behind every setback
and disappointment
383
00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:29,227
they saw a Jewish plot
to take revenge on him
384
00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:32,731
for his anonymous article
on Judaism in music.
385
00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:35,734
When his opera, "Die
Meistersinger von Nürnberg",
386
00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:38,236
received a scathing review
in Vienna
387
00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,739
Wagner had had enough.
388
00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:43,241
He decided to
republish the essay,
389
00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,744
this time under
his own name
390
00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:48,747
with some revisions.
391
00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:50,248
The early Wagner
probably doesn't mean
392
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:54,253
murdering the Jews in 1850,
I'm sure he doesn't,
393
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,755
but in 1869,
later on,
394
00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:59,257
you're seeing
the ambiguities exploited
395
00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:01,760
and it's intimated
maybe a physical death,
396
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,763
or at least the destruction
of the Jews as a community
397
00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:06,765
would be desirable.
398
00:21:06,765 --> 00:21:08,767
Whether the downfall
of our culture
399
00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:11,770
can be arrested by
a violent ejection
400
00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:14,272
of the destructive
foreign element,
401
00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,775
I am unable to decide,
402
00:21:16,775 --> 00:21:18,777
since that would require
forces
403
00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:23,281
with whose existence
I am unacquainted.
404
00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:26,285
What are you doing
to yourself, you may ask.
405
00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:30,289
He charges into
this nest of,
406
00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:31,790
he creates
these enemies.
407
00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:34,793
He tells these people
you are vile,
408
00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:37,295
you're not German,
you may speak German,
409
00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:39,298
but it's not really German.
410
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:44,303
You are totally, totally
worthless creatures.
411
00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:48,307
And he was,
at the same time,
412
00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:51,810
raising money from them.
413
00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:56,314
In 1871 Wagner announced that
he was planning to build
414
00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,817
a special theater in
the Bavarian-Franconian
415
00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,318
town of Bayreuth
416
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,821
to stage his monumental
new work,
417
00:22:02,821 --> 00:22:05,323
"The Ring of
the Nibelung".
418
00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:08,327
He had the financial support
of the King of Bavaria,
419
00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:12,331
Ludwig II who was
a passionate Wagnerian.
420
00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:14,333
Even the Bavarian treasury
couldn't pay
421
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:15,334
for the whole thing.
422
00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:17,336
It was a very expensive
proposition.
423
00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:20,839
He needed somebody in charge
of trying to raise funds
424
00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:22,340
and he turned to Tausig.
425
00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:24,843
It was Tausig who probably
first got the idea
426
00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:26,344
of the patron certificate,
427
00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:27,846
where you do that all
the time today,
428
00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,848
you pay a certain amount
of money up front
429
00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:31,349
and for that you get
a lot of privileges
430
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:32,851
including, maybe,
free tickets
431
00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,352
or something like that.
432
00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:37,356
And the buyers were
those people for whom
433
00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,857
culture was
very important.
434
00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:42,360
Culture in 19th century Europe
was the ticket
435
00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:46,865
for recognition and
equality for Jews.
436
00:22:46,865 --> 00:22:51,369
But Tausig's fundraising work
did not last for long.
437
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:53,872
While he was on
a concert tour in Leipzig
438
00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:56,875
he suddenly fall ill
with typhus fever
439
00:22:56,875 --> 00:22:59,878
and died
a few days later.
440
00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:01,880
He was 29.
441
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:11,890
♪
442
00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:13,391
To be ready
for death
443
00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:17,396
life's fruit
slowly ripens.
444
00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:22,401
To earn its ripeness early
in the sudden blush of spring,
445
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:27,406
that was your fate
and your daring.
446
00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:32,911
Now we must grieve both
your fate and your daring.
447
00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:33,912
♪
448
00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:37,415
But Wagner was about to meet
two young Jewish men
449
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,919
who would mean
even more to him.
450
00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:42,921
The year after Tausig's death
Wagner met
451
00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:46,925
the new conductor of
the Royal Opera in Munich.
452
00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:47,926
Hermann Levi.
453
00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:58,436
♪
454
00:23:58,437 --> 00:24:03,442
♪ I came down through the woods
and saw my old house ♪
455
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:14,453
♪ There sat my lost love,
glancing through the window ♪
456
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,955
He was a very,
very famous man.
457
00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:20,959
One of the great German
conductors of his time.
458
00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:23,962
He had one of those German
apprenticeship careers
459
00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:25,463
where you went up
from smaller towns
460
00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:27,466
to progressively
larger towns
461
00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,967
and you ended up
in Munich.
462
00:24:28,967 --> 00:24:32,971
♪
463
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:36,474
Levi was descended from
a proud Rabbinical family.
464
00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:40,479
The last 14 generations
of Levis were rabbis,
465
00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:43,482
including his father,
Benedict Samuel Levi,
466
00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:47,486
chief rabbi of the town
of Giessen.
467
00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:50,989
Most people who wanted
to get somewhere in the arts,
468
00:24:50,989 --> 00:24:52,991
they converted
if they were Jewish.
469
00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:55,493
Levi didn't
and that was unusual
470
00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,497
and he got what,
probably everybody considered
471
00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:03,001
to be fun needling
about that for years.
472
00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:04,502
It's said that he took
these things
473
00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,506
with a kind of
pained smile.
474
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,509
♪
475
00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:14,012
How much pain was there,
one can only imagine.
476
00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:19,017
♪
477
00:25:19,017 --> 00:25:21,519
Levi was one of
the best conductors around
478
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,022
and Brahms, to a degree,
needed him.
479
00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:25,523
Not just as a conductor,
but for his knowledge
480
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,025
of the orchestra.
481
00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:30,028
Levi became his sort of
advisor in orchestration.
482
00:25:30,028 --> 00:25:33,031
Levi knew the orchestra
inside out in a way
483
00:25:33,031 --> 00:25:37,035
that maybe even Brahms didn't.
484
00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:39,037
It was almost like
the Hatfields and the McCoys,
485
00:25:39,037 --> 00:25:41,039
or the Montagues
and the Capulets.
486
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,541
You were either a Brahmsian
or a Wagnerian in those days
487
00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,044
and there was not
a lot of crossing.
488
00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,047
Wagner declared
the symphony to be dead
489
00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:52,550
and that new forms of music,
such as his own operas,
490
00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:54,553
were the future
of music.
491
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:58,056
Meanwhile the conservatives
believed in the old forms
492
00:25:58,056 --> 00:26:01,059
especially genres like
symphony and string quartet,
493
00:26:01,059 --> 00:26:03,061
and Brahms believed
that those things were
494
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:04,562
what music were about,
495
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:07,065
that those things
were eternal.
496
00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:10,568
It was a bitter, bitter
divide for a long time
497
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,571
that seemed mutually
exclusive, though,
498
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,573
of course now Brahms
and Wagner
499
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:18,577
cohabit concert programs
with no problem.
500
00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:21,079
Like a good Brahmsian
Hermann Levi
501
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,083
always kept his distance
from Wagner.
502
00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:27,085
But then he conducted
Wagner's
503
00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:31,589
"Tristan und Isolde"
in Munich.
504
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,594
Levi became mesmerized
by Wagner's music.
505
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:38,096
Soon he began to
visit the Wagners
506
00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:42,100
at Wahnfried,
their new villa in Bayreuth.
507
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:45,603
♪
508
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,606
A few months after
Wagner met Levi
509
00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:49,608
he received a letter from
a young pianist
510
00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:53,612
in Kharkiv, Russia.
511
00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:56,615
♪
512
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,617
I am a Jew.
513
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:02,621
By telling you that,
I tell you everything.
514
00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,623
All those characteristics
noticeable in
515
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:08,627
the present day Jews,
I too possess.
516
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:10,629
My condition
largely worsens
517
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:14,633
since I recognize that
the Jews have to perish.
518
00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:17,636
How should I, however,
not also perish
519
00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:20,639
since I am, myself,
a Jew?
520
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:22,641
I cannot perish
by baptism.
521
00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,644
Only death
is left to me.
522
00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:28,146
I've already tried
to commit suicide,
523
00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,648
but I still decided
to write you.
524
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,651
Could I not be
useful to you
525
00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:35,153
with the performance
of a "Nibelungen"?
526
00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:38,156
I believe that I
understand this work,
527
00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:40,658
even if not completely.
528
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:44,663
I look to you, then,
for help.
529
00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:47,666
For the help
I urgently need.
530
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,668
The letter indicated
that he suffered
531
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:54,172
from terrible loneliness
and terrible depression
532
00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:56,674
and he was
a Wagner fan.
533
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,176
Now you'd think this
would be exactly
534
00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:01,679
the kind of letter Wagner
wouldn't reply to.
535
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,684
Richard sends him
a very friendly reply.
536
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:09,187
As soon as Rubenstein
received Wagner's reply
537
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,690
he traveled from Russia
to this house in Switzerland
538
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:14,693
where the Wagners
were staying.
539
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:26,705
♪
540
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:28,707
In the evening
Herr Joseph Rubinstein
541
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:31,209
suddenly arrives
from Kharkiv,
542
00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:34,212
a curious spectacle
and experience.
543
00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:37,715
Richard is infinitely kind
to the young man
544
00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:40,218
and advises him
to take things easy,
545
00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:42,720
offers him access
to Bayreuth.
546
00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:46,224
And the visit turned out
to last ten years.
547
00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:48,226
For most of
the next ten years
548
00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,228
Rubinstein lived with
the Wagner family
549
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:51,729
as part of
the household.
550
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:54,232
Wagner put him to work
as a musical copyist
551
00:28:54,232 --> 00:28:58,236
and arranger.
552
00:28:58,236 --> 00:29:06,744
♪
553
00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,246
Rubinstein, I mean,
554
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,748
Wagner recognized from the start
this was a crazy chap
555
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:13,251
and I think he took him in
like he would a stray dog
556
00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:15,253
to begin with.
557
00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:17,755
♪
558
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:18,757
Then he found he was
very useful,
559
00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:21,760
he was entertaining,
an admirable pianist.
560
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:32,270
♪
561
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:35,273
Wagner more and more
loved to lecture,
562
00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:37,775
he loved to lecture
his guests.
563
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,779
And he always had Rubinstein
there to play
564
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:44,282
whatever was needed
to exhibit.
565
00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:46,784
If Wagner wanted to show
a portion of
566
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,287
what he had composed
in the last ten days
567
00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:54,292
or two weeks there was
Rubinstein to play for him.
568
00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:56,794
And also it's someone
you can look down on
569
00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:57,796
when he's out of the room.
570
00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,297
Or even when he's
in the room,
571
00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,799
come to think of it,
even better.
572
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,803
After one of the final
piano rehearsals
573
00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,805
Wagner tries to thank
Joseph Rubinstein
574
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,807
for the work he has done.
575
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,809
He starts off
very amiably and then
576
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,811
says something along
the lines of,
577
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:15,814
"If we never really
drew closer on a human level,
578
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,817
the fault is not mine,
but yours.
579
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:20,819
You are a member
of a foreign race
580
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,321
with which we have
no sympathy.
581
00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:24,322
Jewish".
582
00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:26,324
By the end he gets
quite worked up
583
00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:28,826
so that his planned
speech of thanks
584
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:32,330
turns into an expression
of anger and ill feeling.
585
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,832
♪
586
00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:37,335
Something underneath
caused them
587
00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:39,337
to get along
with each other
588
00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:43,341
despite some flare-ups,
despite his religion,
589
00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:46,344
despite Wagner's
short temper.
590
00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:47,845
Wagner had
his own problems
591
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:52,350
and he must have known
that his man really suffered.
592
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:55,353
I think he probably,
without ever expressing it,
593
00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:58,356
saw something of himself
in this man.
594
00:30:58,356 --> 00:31:03,361
♪
595
00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:05,363
As the opening of
the Bayreuth Festival
596
00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:06,864
drew closer,
597
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:09,868
Wagner was surrounded
by Jewish helpers.
598
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:12,370
Joseph Rubinstein was
the accompanist
599
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:13,871
for piano rehearsals.
600
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:16,875
Hermann Levi took time off
from his duties in Munich
601
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,377
to work with
the Bayreuth orchestra.
602
00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:21,879
Heinrich Porges kept
an official record
603
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,884
of all Wagner's stage directions
to his cast.
604
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,886
The soprano,
Lilli Lehmann,
605
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:29,888
coached the women's
choruses
606
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:31,890
and premiered several
different roles
607
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,391
in "The Ring Cycle".
608
00:31:33,391 --> 00:31:37,395
♪
609
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:40,398
He did very, very good things
for these people.
610
00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:42,900
They got recognition,
they got to deal
611
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:43,902
with a genius.
612
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:47,405
I mean, if anybody knows
about Hermann Levi now
613
00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:51,409
or Joseph Rubinstein now
it's thanks to Wagner
614
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:53,911
and the Wagnerian connection.
615
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,413
It's complicated,
616
00:31:55,413 --> 00:31:57,915
but you can't take
these Jewish friends
617
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,418
and say, "Look,
this is the alibi.
618
00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:02,920
He wasn't anti-Semitic,
he's got Jewish friends."
619
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,422
I mean, this is absurd.
620
00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:05,923
You have to look at
the quality of the friendships
621
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:06,925
and so on.
622
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,427
He needs Tausig
for piano reductions,
623
00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:10,928
he needs Porges
and the others
624
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:11,930
for screen help,
625
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,933
Rubinstein
for helping out.
626
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,935
I am too old
to fool myself
627
00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:19,437
about anything anymore
and I am telling you
628
00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:21,939
that what is going to happen
in Bayreuth next year
629
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,944
will produce a radical change
in our artistic world.
630
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:27,946
Levi was getting
closer to Wagner
631
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:29,447
and Brahms knew it.
632
00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:32,450
And they had a visit
and that meeting ended badly
633
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,453
and Brahms left
without saying goodbye.
634
00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:38,456
And they met after that,
but it was never quite the same
635
00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,459
and Levi was, in fact,
pulling away from Brahms,
636
00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:42,960
being a champion
of Brahms, really,
637
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,965
to being Wagner's acolyte
and conductor.
638
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:49,467
And part of the cult
in a way, I think.
639
00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:56,474
♪
640
00:32:56,474 --> 00:33:03,481
♪ Now I shall see her
no more ♪
641
00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:07,485
♪
642
00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:14,492
Levi had now lost
his closest friend
643
00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:16,994
because of his support
for Wagner.
644
00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:18,997
But he also knew
that the Wagnerians
645
00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,999
would never
completely accept him
646
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,001
because he was a Jew.
647
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:26,004
He did his best to
fit in at Wahnfried.
648
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,006
He even began to echo
Wagner's ideas
649
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,509
about the Jews.
650
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,511
Friend Levi speaks of
a great movement
651
00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:37,014
against the Jews
in all spheres of life.
652
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,017
In Munich there are
attempts to remove them
653
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:40,518
from the town council.
654
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:44,021
He hopes that in twenty years
they will be extricated
655
00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,025
root and branch
and the audience for "The Ring"
656
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:51,029
will be another kind
of public.
657
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,031
Certainly one of the moments
when things began
658
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:56,034
to go sour between
Brahms and Levi
659
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,535
is when Levi wrote Brahms,
I think,
660
00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,037
a really remarkable letter
about Wagner
661
00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:02,540
and about Wagner's,
even at the time,
662
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:06,043
infamous article
"Judaism in Music".
663
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,046
Levi wrote "I've never
been able to join in
664
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:11,049
with the general howling
about Wagner's foolishness
665
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,051
and questionable character.
666
00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,053
You'll remember that
I, myself,
667
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,555
defended the Jewish brochure
insofar as I believe it
668
00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:21,559
to come from serious
artistic conviction."
669
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,061
♪
670
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,564
The Jews feel sense,
in a guilty way,
671
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:29,567
that Wagner has got some,
a germ of truth
672
00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:32,570
which is why he's so
wounding to them, I think.
673
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,572
You know, if it was
completely bogus,
674
00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:37,074
they didn't feel that
bit of insecurity
675
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,076
they wouldn't be
affected.
676
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,578
But they know
he's got something.
677
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,580
That they're outsiders.
678
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:45,583
That they're German
is not naturally
679
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:48,085
the proper high German
of the artist
680
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,588
and you get this
self doubt coming up
681
00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:53,090
as a result.
682
00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:55,593
The Wagners knew that
Jews like Levi
683
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,095
were the most devoted
helpers they could find
684
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:01,099
because they had
the most to prove.
685
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:05,103
If you come we shall be able
to talk about your people.
686
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,106
Do you think that you
and Rubinstein could serve
687
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:11,109
as typical examples
of the species?
688
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,611
I do not think so.
689
00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:22,620
♪
690
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:26,123
The opening of
the Bayreuth Festival in 1876
691
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,626
was a major
international event.
692
00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:31,128
From nearly every part
of the world
693
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:33,131
audiences streamed
up to the theater
694
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,134
on Bayreuth's Green Hill
to see the world premier
695
00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:40,138
of Wagner's "Ring Cycle".
696
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:42,640
Few people in the audience
were as struck
697
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,143
by what they saw
as Angelo Neumann,
698
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:50,648
a young Jewish tenor
turned opera impresario.
699
00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:53,651
I was incapable of
speaking to a soul,
700
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:58,155
so deeply sunk was I in all
I had seen and heard.
701
00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:00,158
Angelo said,
"I got an idea.
702
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:04,162
What do you say I tour this
all around Europe?"
703
00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:05,663
And Wagner says,
"Great, do it.
704
00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:08,666
I support you,
I'll sign the contracts."
705
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:11,669
And that's exactly what
Angelo Neumann did,
706
00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:15,172
he brought it to Italy,
to different parts of Germany,
707
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,675
to Paris, to London.
708
00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:22,179
I think he, more than Bayreuth,
made "The Ring Cycle" famous
709
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,183
all over Europe because
he was bringing it
710
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:28,686
to all these other
European capitols.
711
00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:32,690
He is Angelo Neumann,
a man of Jewish extraction
712
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:36,694
and strangely energetic
and extremely devoted to me
713
00:36:36,694 --> 00:36:39,196
in a way which,
oddly enough,
714
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:42,700
I find now
only among the Jews.
715
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:46,203
♪
716
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:49,207
Since anti-Semitism
was so commonplace
717
00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:51,209
it's very hard for us
to understand
718
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:54,712
that the Jewish audience paid
as little attention as possible
719
00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:56,213
to his anti-Semitism.
720
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,716
We look back always
at Jewish history
721
00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:00,718
through the lens
of the Holocaust,
722
00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:04,221
as if everything led up
to Auschwitz
723
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,724
and that's a distortion.
724
00:37:06,724 --> 00:37:10,227
People were flabbergasted
725
00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:13,731
by what happened in 1933.
726
00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:17,234
There were still flabbergasted
when the anti Jewish laws
727
00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:19,237
were passed in the '30s.
728
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:23,241
They were still flabbergasted
when Kristallnacht happened.
729
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:28,246
They were still flabbergasted
when they were taken to camps.
730
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:31,249
Now they were not
stupid people.
731
00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:35,753
And they thought,
"This can't be true.
732
00:37:35,753 --> 00:37:39,256
We've lived in this place
for hundreds of years.
733
00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,259
We speak the language.
734
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:44,762
We are an integral part
of this community.
735
00:37:44,762 --> 00:37:48,265
So, yeah, there are a lot
of people who don't like us."
736
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,768
Do we think that
Barack Obama
737
00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,770
and that African Americans
in the United States
738
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:56,273
should consider their life
in American unstable
739
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:58,776
because of the ubiquity
of racism?
740
00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:02,279
There's racism every corner
where we live.
741
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,783
Does that make this
an unstable place?
742
00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:07,785
♪
743
00:38:07,785 --> 00:38:10,287
Now, to some of them
Wagner's anti-Semitism
744
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,790
was a cause of distress,
745
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:17,294
especially as
the century wore on.
746
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,298
Because there began
to be real tensions
747
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,300
between Jews and non-Jews
that had
748
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,302
real political significance.
749
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,804
You find the birth of
political anti-Semitism.
750
00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:30,307
And then Jews began
to have qualms about,
751
00:38:30,308 --> 00:38:31,809
you know, there's
something about this
752
00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:33,310
which is not right.
753
00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,313
What produces political
anti-Semitism
754
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,315
is the reaction to 1871,
755
00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:40,318
the final full emancipation
of the Jews as citizens
756
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:44,322
in the United German Empire.
757
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:46,324
It's not a cultural
anti-Semitism,
758
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:49,327
it's a racial anti-Semitism
where you were being tarred
759
00:38:49,327 --> 00:38:54,332
because of who you are,
because of your very existence.
760
00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:55,833
The leaders of
the new movement
761
00:38:55,833 --> 00:38:58,836
all corresponded with Wagner
and considered him
762
00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:01,338
an inspiration.
763
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,842
I read a very good speech by
the preacher, Stoecker,
764
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:06,343
about the Jews.
765
00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:09,847
Richard is in favor of
expelling them entirely.
766
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:12,349
We laugh to think that
it really seems as if
767
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:15,353
his article on the Jews
marked the beginning
768
00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:18,356
of this struggle.
769
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,859
As Wagner became closer
with the anti-Semites
770
00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:26,864
his Jewish friends were
becoming a liability.
771
00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:28,365
There's a lot of German
anti-Semite didn't think
772
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:31,869
that Wagner was anti-Semitic,
they thought he was Jewish
773
00:39:31,869 --> 00:39:33,871
because he had so many
Jewish friends,
774
00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:36,373
there were cartoons in
the paper about him.
775
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:40,878
The newspapers used to write
articles to that effect.
776
00:39:40,878 --> 00:39:44,882
Richard wishes all Jews
would drop off of him like warts
777
00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:49,887
for which there is
no known remedy.
778
00:39:49,887 --> 00:39:52,890
In 1878 Wagner had signed
a contact
779
00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:56,393
with King Ludwig II
stating that his new work,
780
00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:59,397
"Parsifal", would be
performed at Bayreuth
781
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:02,900
with the orchestra and chorus
of the Munich Royal Opera.
782
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:04,902
Using the king's
opera company
783
00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:06,904
was the only way Wagner
could afford to hold
784
00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:08,906
another Bayreuth Festival.
785
00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:12,910
This meant that Hermann Levi,
the king's court conductor,
786
00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:16,413
was the natural choice
to conduct "Parsifal".
787
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:19,417
It would be an overwhelming
hardship to me
788
00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:22,420
if "Parsifal",
this all Christian work,
789
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,923
should be directed by
a Jewish conductor.
790
00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:30,427
King Ludwig makes it clear
without my royal orchestra
791
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:34,432
or conductor, and conductor
comes with the orchestra,
792
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:38,936
there is no way I can see
that we can get "Parisfal".
793
00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:42,439
Wagner is miffed.
794
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,443
He doesn't want Levi
to conduct "Parsifal".
795
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:48,446
He makes it
so impossible he,
796
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:51,949
he torments
the man.
797
00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:53,951
He says in a conversation
with Levi
798
00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:58,956
that he, as a Jew,
has merely to learn to die.
799
00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:03,961
This Levi well understands.
800
00:41:03,961 --> 00:41:05,462
And when he tells
Hermann Levi,
801
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:07,965
"As a Jew all you
have to do is die,"
802
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:10,968
well, of course Wagner says
"I mean it metaphorically.
803
00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:13,971
You have to destroy
the Jewishness in yourself."
804
00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:16,974
But when you say that
to someone, I mean,
805
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:20,978
it's a crushing statement even
if you mean it metaphorically.
806
00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:24,982
It's intended to hurt
and then Wagner graciously,
807
00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:28,485
in a German way, will pick
up the humiliated Levi
808
00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:31,489
from his knees
and restore him.
809
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,991
Whether he wants to
actually die, well,
810
00:41:33,991 --> 00:41:35,492
of course he doesn't,
811
00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:37,495
I don't think Wagner wants
to actually kill anyone.
812
00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:39,497
But then again
it was 1881,
813
00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:41,999
he reads of
the Russian pogroms.
814
00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:45,002
An article about
anti Jewish demonstrations
815
00:41:45,002 --> 00:41:48,505
makes him remark, "That is
the only way it can be done,
816
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:53,511
by throwing these fellows out
and giving them a thrashing."
817
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:57,014
That's very physical.
818
00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:58,515
And there's that joke.
819
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:01,519
Wagner reads about the theater
fire in Vienna
820
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,020
where some Jews were killed.
821
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,023
This was an operetta theater
in Vienna.
822
00:42:06,023 --> 00:42:10,027
A fire broke out and hundreds
of people were burned to death
823
00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:12,029
and trampled to death.
824
00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:15,532
The fact that 416 Israelites
died in the fire
825
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:19,036
does not increase Richard's
concern over the disaster.
826
00:42:19,036 --> 00:42:21,538
We, for example, do not talk
of our feelings
827
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:23,541
about those Jews
in the theater
828
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:25,042
in front of Rubinstein.
829
00:42:25,042 --> 00:42:28,545
Four hundred unbaptized
and probably five hundred
830
00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:30,548
baptized ones.
831
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:32,550
He makes a drastic joke
to the effect
832
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:35,052
that all Jews
should be burned
833
00:42:35,052 --> 00:42:38,055
at a performance of
"Nathan the Wise".
834
00:42:38,055 --> 00:42:43,560
This is the closest they've come
to the incineration
835
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,564
of human beings
in their fantasy of hate.
836
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:50,067
If it happened,
if only it could be.
837
00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:54,571
It's a matter of the,
the wishes, the dirty wishes.
838
00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:59,577
♪
839
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:03,581
♪ Over all the hilltops
is calm ♪
840
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:14,592
♪ In all the treetops,
you can feel ♪
841
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:19,096
♪ hardly a breath of air ♪
842
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:28,105
♪
843
00:43:28,105 --> 00:43:36,113
♪ The little birds fall silent
in the woods ♪
844
00:43:36,113 --> 00:43:40,117
♪
845
00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:49,626
♪ Just wait... ♪
846
00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:54,131
♪ ...soon,
you'll also be at rest ♪
847
00:43:54,131 --> 00:44:27,164
♪
848
00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:29,666
Wagner had confidence
in Levi's conducting,
849
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:33,671
but the fact remained
he was a Jew.
850
00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:35,673
Richard and Cosima agreed
that Levi
851
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:38,676
would have to get baptized
before he could conduct
852
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:42,179
the opera,
Wagner's most Christian work.
853
00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:45,682
Time and again they tried
to persuade him to convert,
854
00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,686
but Levi knew that baptism
would break the heart
855
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:53,190
of his beloved father,
the rabbi.
856
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:56,693
What would become of me
if I were to approach "Parsifal"
857
00:44:56,694 --> 00:45:00,197
from a level higher
than that of the arts?
858
00:45:00,197 --> 00:45:01,198
I do not know.
859
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:05,202
For the time being I struggled
not to let any such power
860
00:45:05,202 --> 00:45:08,205
get a hold of me.
861
00:45:08,205 --> 00:45:12,709
In 1881 Wagner received
an anonymous letter demanding
862
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:16,213
that he keep his work pure
and not allow a Jew
863
00:45:16,213 --> 00:45:17,714
to conduct it.
864
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:21,218
The letter also hinted
that Levi and Cosima
865
00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:24,721
might be having an affair.
866
00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:27,725
Wagner set it all up,
he even looks at his watch
867
00:45:27,725 --> 00:45:29,226
on the steps of Wahnfried
and says,
868
00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:32,229
"You're late, Levi,
for this meal."
869
00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,730
And then he sits him down
and says,
870
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,733
"Someone has given me
this letter
871
00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:37,234
accusing you of an affair.
872
00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:39,236
I, of course,
don't believe it."
873
00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:42,239
It of cour-, I mean,
destroys the man.
874
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,741
Puts him into a state
of breakdown.
875
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:54,251
I sat down at the table
deeply upset and outraged,
876
00:45:54,251 --> 00:45:57,754
but could not utter
a single word.
877
00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:01,759
In answer to the master's
question why I was so quiet
878
00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:04,261
I responded,
"I don't understand why
879
00:46:04,261 --> 00:46:06,763
you didn't just tear
the letter into pieces.
880
00:46:06,764 --> 00:46:09,266
Why did you give it
to me to read?"
881
00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:11,768
You know, the sun rose
and set on Richard Wagner
882
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:13,270
as far as Cosima
was concerned.
883
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:14,771
He was her whole life,
I mean,
884
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:17,775
there was no possibility
and he knew that.
885
00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:20,778
My opinion is that
he thought to show Levi
886
00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:22,279
"Look at the trouble
you're causing.
887
00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:24,281
You see what's happening?
888
00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:26,283
People are willing to say
all kind of things
889
00:46:26,283 --> 00:46:28,285
because you're Jewish.
890
00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:31,788
And, you know, if you just
go through a ceremony,
891
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:33,791
a simple little ceremony
uh,
892
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:36,794
we won't have that
anymore."
893
00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:39,296
Levi had finally
reached his limit.
894
00:46:39,296 --> 00:46:42,799
After they finished eating
he packed his bags
895
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,803
and left Bayreuth
without saying goodbye.
896
00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:47,805
The next day
he wrote to Wagner
897
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:51,308
resigning the post
of "Parsifal" conductor.
898
00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:52,809
Wagner writes him
and says,
899
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:53,811
"Look, we've got work
to do here,
900
00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:54,812
come on back."
901
00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:57,314
And Levi writes
him back and says,
902
00:46:57,314 --> 00:46:57,814
"I'm sorry.
903
00:46:57,815 --> 00:46:59,316
Thanks, but no thanks.
904
00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:02,319
I think you need
to get somebody else."
905
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:06,323
He said, "I'm over,
finished with Wagner."
906
00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:10,827
And, of course, Wagner
has to come round
907
00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:14,331
because without Levi
908
00:47:14,331 --> 00:47:16,833
there's no
Munich Orchestra,
909
00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:20,838
there's no Munich Chorus.
910
00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:22,840
There's no "Parsifal".
911
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,842
So Wagner sits down
and writes him a letter,
912
00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:25,843
rather than
a telegram.
913
00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:29,346
"You do not need to lose
any of your faith.
914
00:47:29,346 --> 00:47:32,849
Perhaps some great change
is about to take place
915
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:35,853
in your life,
but at all events
916
00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:39,356
you are my "Parsifal"
conductor."
917
00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:42,359
Reading Wagner's letter
Levi was finally reassured
918
00:47:42,359 --> 00:47:46,863
that Wagner would no longer
try to have him baptized.
919
00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:49,867
He returned to Bayreuth
and continued his work
920
00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:53,370
with Wagner.
921
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:56,873
Levi did conduct
the world premier of "Parsifal"
922
00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:59,376
and nearly all the performances
at that year's
923
00:47:59,376 --> 00:48:00,877
Bayreuth Festival.
924
00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:03,380
He continued to conduct
"Parsifal" at Bayreuth
925
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:05,882
for the next 12 years.
926
00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:08,385
He was never baptized.
927
00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:12,389
So Hermann Levi is
a little bit of an odd case.
928
00:48:12,389 --> 00:48:14,891
I think more has
been made of it than demands
929
00:48:14,892 --> 00:48:19,897
because he did understand
on some level
930
00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:22,900
the conflict between
genius
931
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,402
and this sort of,
in a way,
932
00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:27,904
humiliation that
he had to suffer.
933
00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:29,907
Listen, every Jew
that dealt with Wagner
934
00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:32,409
knew about his essay.
935
00:48:32,409 --> 00:48:34,911
They knew the man
was anti-Semitic.
936
00:48:34,912 --> 00:48:36,914
He knew
they were Jewish.
937
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:40,417
But the important thing
to all of them was artistry.
938
00:48:40,417 --> 00:48:42,919
He, it's no weakness
on the part of Levi.
939
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,924
He was completely taken in
by Wagner's music
940
00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:49,426
which I can understand,
so am I.
941
00:48:49,426 --> 00:48:51,428
He was a Wagnerite.
942
00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:53,930
He uh, he gave up
a lot of friends.
943
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:57,935
There's nothing weak
about Levi.
944
00:48:57,935 --> 00:49:00,437
The year after
the "Parsifal" premier
945
00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:03,440
Wagner died in Venice.
946
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:10,447
♪
947
00:49:10,447 --> 00:49:14,451
"God grant you the strength
to withstand this heavy test.
948
00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:17,954
Certainly consolation
is impossible.
949
00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,959
Please remember that
a Richard Wagner does not die,
950
00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:25,462
only his mortal coil
is stripped off."
951
00:49:25,462 --> 00:49:27,464
♪
952
00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:29,966
With Wagner gone
Joseph Rubinstein's
953
00:49:29,967 --> 00:49:34,471
inner demons soon made life
unbearable.
954
00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:38,975
One year later he returned
to Lucerne, Switzerland
955
00:49:38,976 --> 00:49:41,478
where he had first
met Wagner.
956
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:46,483
There, Joseph Rubinstein
shot himself to death.
957
00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:54,491
♪
958
00:49:54,491 --> 00:49:56,493
He was a man who felt
he couldn't go on living
959
00:49:56,493 --> 00:49:58,495
once Wagner was dead.
960
00:49:58,495 --> 00:50:00,497
What that was about,
I don't know.
961
00:50:00,497 --> 00:50:02,499
It was about genius,
I suspect.
962
00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:07,003
He couldn't imagine that
this genius could die.
963
00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:09,006
I think Wagner felt
that Rubinstein was
964
00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:13,510
an extremely valuable commodity
for his social occasions.
965
00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:17,014
Shame, isn't it?
966
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:21,518
Because it was so deep
on the other side.
967
00:50:21,518 --> 00:50:30,026
♪
968
00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:32,529
Wagner passed away
some six years
969
00:50:32,529 --> 00:50:35,031
before Hitler was born
in 1889.
970
00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:38,535
So it wasn't that he
planned any influence
971
00:50:38,535 --> 00:50:42,539
on a person
he never knew, of course.
972
00:50:42,539 --> 00:50:45,542
Hitler said "Wagner
is something divine.
973
00:50:45,542 --> 00:50:47,544
His music
is my religion."
974
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:51,047
In 1923 he went to visit
Wagner's grave
975
00:50:51,048 --> 00:50:54,551
and visited it many times
after and Hitler said,
976
00:50:54,551 --> 00:50:58,555
"When I was there
for the first time on his grave
977
00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:01,057
I understood what is
my vocation,
978
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:02,559
what is my mission."
979
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,563
Okay, this is not anything
that you can think lightly.
980
00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:10,066
He understood there
what was his mission.
981
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:18,575
♪
982
00:51:18,575 --> 00:51:22,579
When we came to the ghettos
and concentration camps,
983
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:24,581
hell is the garden of Eden
compared
984
00:51:24,581 --> 00:51:26,082
to what we endured there.
985
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,585
Blows, humiliation and death.
986
00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:32,589
Whenever they spoke to us,
they called us "dirty Jew,"
987
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:34,090
"Jew full of lice."
988
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,594
Who did this?
Anti-Semites.
989
00:51:37,594 --> 00:51:40,597
The hero of the anti-Semites
was Wagner.
990
00:51:40,597 --> 00:51:43,099
Wagner wrote it very clearly
in his books.
991
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:46,103
That is essentially why
we don't want (Wagner's music).
992
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:52,609
♪
993
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:55,111
Sooner or later
it must happen.
994
00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:58,615
To not play Wagner by
an orchestral musician
995
00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:02,118
is like a pianist
not playing Chopin.
996
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,121
It's just, should be
part and parcel
997
00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:06,623
of their education.
998
00:52:06,623 --> 00:52:09,626
♪
999
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:12,128
Whether you like his music
or his personality
1000
00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:15,632
Wagner was
a very important composer.
1001
00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:19,135
♪
1002
00:52:19,136 --> 00:52:21,638
You cannot live
as a professional musician,
1003
00:52:21,638 --> 00:52:23,640
you cannot play a trombone
or a horn
1004
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:29,145
or a violin for that matter
without playing Wagner's music.
1005
00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:30,647
I grew up in Israel,
of course,
1006
00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:32,148
we had one record
of "Tannhäuser" at home,
1007
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:33,650
but that was about it.
1008
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:37,153
And I was introduced in way
of shock therapy
1009
00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:38,655
when I went to become
Daniel Barenboim's
1010
00:52:38,655 --> 00:52:39,656
assistant in Berlin.
1011
00:52:39,656 --> 00:52:42,158
And my first task there was
to prepare "Parsifal"
1012
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:45,662
of all works and I was
so taken by the music
1013
00:52:45,662 --> 00:52:48,665
and I was so,
I've really cha-,
1014
00:52:48,665 --> 00:52:50,667
it has changed my life
as a musician.
1015
00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:53,670
And since then I've been
conducing as much Wagner
1016
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:56,673
as I could.
1017
00:52:56,673 --> 00:52:59,175
In the coming years,
regretfully,
1018
00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:02,179
we will not have
any more survivors and,
1019
00:53:02,179 --> 00:53:06,183
and then another generation
will listen to Wagner.
1020
00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:09,686
Wagner will become
a legitimate composer
1021
00:53:09,686 --> 00:53:11,187
as any other composer.
1022
00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:14,191
It will take time,
but I don't think this is
1023
00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:19,196
an everlasting curse
or everlasting boycott.
1024
00:53:19,196 --> 00:53:20,697
Will there be
ever a time?
1025
00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:22,198
I don't know.
1026
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,702
I would think that the nation
that respects itself
1027
00:53:25,702 --> 00:53:29,706
should keep some symbols
sacred.
1028
00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:31,207
Even if "sacred"
is a strong word,
1029
00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:34,711
should keep and respect
some symbols.
1030
00:53:34,711 --> 00:53:36,713
Every nation does that.
1031
00:53:36,713 --> 00:53:39,215
Why, why not us?
1032
00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:42,219
You ask me whether I am
still a Wagnerian.
1033
00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:44,721
After years of study
and reflection I feel
1034
00:53:44,721 --> 00:53:47,724
I might really
call myself that.
1035
00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:49,726
I don't know whether
my change of view
1036
00:53:49,726 --> 00:53:51,728
compared to what I thought
as a young man
1037
00:53:51,728 --> 00:53:55,231
means a lack of principles,
a weakness or a crime,
1038
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:58,735
or development
and progress.
1039
00:53:58,735 --> 00:54:00,236
But it's as little use
discussing Wagner
1040
00:54:00,237 --> 00:54:04,241
as it is discussing
religion.
1041
00:54:04,241 --> 00:54:06,743
To each his own.
1042
00:54:06,743 --> 00:55:17,814
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