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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,001 --> 00:00:09,009 ♪ 2 00:00:09,009 --> 00:00:13,513 As long as I live and participate in public affairs, 3 00:00:13,513 --> 00:00:20,520 I will make sure that Wagner is not played in Israel 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,523 and his operas also will not be performed. 5 00:00:23,523 --> 00:00:37,036 ♪ 6 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:39,039 We've hired the orchestra, 7 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:40,540 there are people from all over 8 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:43,042 who are flying in especially for this historic event 9 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:46,546 so plans are going according to plans 10 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:49,048 and we're going to have, I'm sure, 11 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:52,052 a beautiful event on the 18th of June. 12 00:00:52,052 --> 00:01:00,560 ♪ 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,061 I saw it coming. 14 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:04,064 I, I was afraid that that's gonna happen 15 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,066 and uh, so I wasn't surprised, 16 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:09,069 I was disappointed because we put a lot of work into this. 17 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:12,072 The head of the Wagner Association, 18 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:16,076 he hired our largest hall here in Tel Aviv University 19 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:17,577 and when the university found out 20 00:01:17,577 --> 00:01:20,580 that this is for the performance of Wagner 21 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:23,583 and got letters from survivors then it, 22 00:01:23,583 --> 00:01:25,084 it was cancelled. 23 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:27,587 You cannot ignore it that he was declared 24 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:29,589 an anti-Semite. 25 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:32,592 ♪ 26 00:01:32,592 --> 00:01:34,594 For Hitler and his uh, friends 27 00:01:34,594 --> 00:01:39,098 he really symbolized the ideal of anti-Jewishness 28 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:42,102 and anti-Semitism. 29 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:44,104 Richard Wagner once said, 30 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,606 "The Jew is the shape-shifting demon 31 00:01:46,606 --> 00:01:49,609 behind mankind's downfall." 32 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:53,112 And these pictures prove that he was right. 33 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:58,118 ♪ 34 00:01:58,118 --> 00:01:59,619 Richard Wagner: 35 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:04,123 composer, musical giant, anti-Semite. 36 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:07,627 To some, a Wagner Society in the Jewish state 37 00:02:07,627 --> 00:02:09,128 may seem strange, 38 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:12,632 but in fact the story of Jews supporting Wagner 39 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:16,135 dates back to Wagner himself. 40 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:18,638 There were always Jews around him. 41 00:02:18,638 --> 00:02:22,141 The Jews in Germany were some of the greatest 42 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:26,646 admirers and backers of Wagner. 43 00:02:26,646 --> 00:02:29,649 He was already accused of being part Jewish himself 44 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:31,651 because he had so many Jewish friends. 45 00:02:31,651 --> 00:02:34,153 They used to call him the Rabbi of Bayreuth. 46 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:37,657 Copying, coaching, conducting 47 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:41,160 and they all did it for nothing, of course. 48 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:43,163 ♪ 49 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:45,165 Psychologically he needs Jews around 50 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:48,168 to feel better, to feel superior to them. 51 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:52,172 For us to look back and say how could German Jews 52 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,174 embrace Wagner, 53 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:56,176 they embraced Wagner's great music. 54 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:58,178 And it was a theatrical experience 55 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:03,183 which was better than 3D and "Avatar". 56 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:07,687 It was more thrilling than the latest video game. 57 00:03:07,687 --> 00:03:09,689 Do I not buy the video game because it's made by 58 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:13,693 an anti-Semitic manufacturer? 59 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:51,230 ♪ 60 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:54,234 There's something very appealing to Jews of Wagner. 61 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:58,738 I mean, what he most absolutely classic 62 00:03:58,738 --> 00:04:00,740 Jewish fantasy is "Lohengrin". 63 00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:04,243 ♪ 64 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:06,246 What better myth that I, 65 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:10,250 without having my name known or where I came from, 66 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,252 I'm gonna rescue this country. 67 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:15,755 That fantasy is the fantasy of the outsider 68 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:18,257 coming into the center in triumph 69 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:19,759 and that's the fantasy of "Lohengrin", 70 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:24,263 appeal to every aspiring young Jew. 71 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:27,767 So Wagner understood the aspiration 72 00:04:27,767 --> 00:04:30,770 that he himself felt because he himself 73 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:34,273 felt himself excluded as an outsider, 74 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:35,275 as a rebel, 75 00:04:35,275 --> 00:04:37,777 gaining entrance into the center 76 00:04:37,777 --> 00:04:39,779 by redefining it. 77 00:04:39,779 --> 00:04:42,281 Well, one theory is that Wagner thought 78 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:44,784 he himself was Jewish. 79 00:04:44,784 --> 00:04:46,285 First of all, he wasn't quite sure 80 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:48,288 who his father was, 81 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:51,791 and his stepfather was Ludwig Geyer. 82 00:04:51,791 --> 00:04:54,293 He may have been his real father. 83 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:58,298 Geyer is considered like a German Jewish name. 84 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:01,801 And Nietzsche during that famous 85 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:04,303 walk on the beach with Wagner 86 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:07,807 brought up this question of the Jewish descent 87 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:09,308 of Ludwig Geyer. 88 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:12,812 And Wagner confides about his fear that Geyer 89 00:05:12,812 --> 00:05:14,313 was Jewish. 90 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:18,318 This would have solidified in Wagner's emotions 91 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:19,819 this real fear he was Jewish. 92 00:05:19,819 --> 00:05:21,320 It was some-, something evil in himself 93 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:26,326 he had to expurgate, destroy, cleanse out. 94 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:32,832 ♪ You shall never ask me ♪ 95 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:39,839 ♪ Where I began my journey ♪ 96 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:46,345 ♪ Nor shall you ever ask my name ♪ 97 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:55,855 ♪ Or that of my people ♪ 98 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:58,858 Do not ask me my name 99 00:05:58,858 --> 00:06:00,860 and my race. 100 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:05,364 I don't think you can find a more dramatic exposition 101 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:10,370 of the problem as Wagner may very well have seen it. 102 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:13,873 Wagner's first Jewish patron was Giacomo Meyerbeer, 103 00:06:13,873 --> 00:06:17,877 the most successful opera composer of his day. 104 00:06:17,877 --> 00:06:19,378 Meyerbeer was German, 105 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:21,881 but he lived and worked in Paris. 106 00:06:21,881 --> 00:06:24,884 There he wrote gripping dramatic spectacles 107 00:06:24,884 --> 00:06:27,887 that took the opera world by storm. 108 00:06:27,887 --> 00:06:32,892 ♪ 109 00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:36,896 Meyerbeer was doing what Wagner dreamed of doing. 110 00:06:36,896 --> 00:06:40,399 Meyerbeer was the most successful opera composer 111 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,901 in Paris. 112 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:45,905 Then Paris was the center of the operatic universe, 113 00:06:45,905 --> 00:06:49,408 but that's what Wagner wanted for himself. 114 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:51,911 ♪ 115 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:53,913 Wagner's early opera, "Rienzi", 116 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:58,918 was a deliberate homage to Meyerbeer's own grand operas. 117 00:06:58,918 --> 00:06:59,919 ♪ 118 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:02,421 This young man interests me. 119 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:05,425 He has both talent and enthusiasm, 120 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:07,927 but fortune has not smiled on him. 121 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:11,430 He has written me a long and very touching letter 122 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:14,434 and it is because of this that I am asking you 123 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:17,437 to ensure that he receives the help 124 00:07:17,437 --> 00:07:20,940 contained in this letter. 125 00:07:20,940 --> 00:07:24,443 Meyerbeer gave Wagner money and introduced him to members 126 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:26,946 of the musical establishment. 127 00:07:26,946 --> 00:07:29,448 Meyerbeer saw "Rienzi", 128 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:32,952 saw a tremendous talent 129 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:37,456 and Meyerbeer arranged for the Dresden premier 130 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:39,459 of "Rienzi" itself. 131 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:43,463 ♪ 132 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,466 On Meyerbeer's recommendation "Rienzi" was accepted 133 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:48,968 for production in Dresden, 134 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:50,970 Wagner's first operatic production, 135 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:55,975 and "The Flying Dutchman" was accepted in Berlin. 136 00:07:55,975 --> 00:08:00,479 Meyerbeer put him on the road, as it were. 137 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,482 You have to understand that for someone 138 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:04,484 of the personality of Wagner 139 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:06,986 the last thing you want to be is debted, 140 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:08,988 to have to feel grateful to someone. 141 00:08:08,988 --> 00:08:12,491 You feel it's your own doing, you're a self creator, 142 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:13,993 self created man. 143 00:08:13,993 --> 00:08:15,995 And if that person is a Jew 144 00:08:15,995 --> 00:08:21,000 then that just intensifies the whole resentment. 145 00:08:23,002 --> 00:08:24,503 1848. 146 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:27,507 Democratic revolutions sweep across Germany. 147 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:31,511 The idealistic Wagner joins the fight. 148 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:34,013 He plots with revolutionary agitators 149 00:08:34,013 --> 00:08:38,017 and heads to the barricades for street warfare in Dresden. 150 00:08:38,017 --> 00:08:42,021 ♪ 151 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:45,524 But the revolution is crushed by the king's troops. 152 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:48,027 Now Wagner is forced to escape Germany 153 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:50,029 to avoid arrest for treason, 154 00:08:50,029 --> 00:08:52,531 an offense punishable by death. 155 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:56,536 Homeless and desperate he turns his steps to Paris. 156 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:59,539 There he finds his patron, Meyerbeer, 157 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:02,041 more successful than ever. 158 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:04,043 A friend says that I must have money here, 159 00:09:04,043 --> 00:09:08,047 like Meyerbeer, or rather more than Meyerbeer. 160 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:11,550 Or I must make people afraid of me. 161 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:13,553 Well, I have no money but what I do have 162 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:16,556 is an enormous desire to commit acts 163 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:19,559 of artistic terrorism. 164 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,564 In order to create the myth of the misunderstood genius 165 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:27,066 who reaps success with no one's help 166 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:29,568 he now had to erase Meyerbeer, 167 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:32,572 he had to demonize him. 168 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:36,576 Now a new answer emerges in Wagner's mind. 169 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,578 The reason that he, not Meyerbeer, 170 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:40,580 is the next great German composer 171 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,082 is that Meyerbeer is Jewish 172 00:09:43,082 --> 00:09:46,585 and a Jew can never write real music. 173 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:48,588 This is the message of his essay, 174 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:51,591 "Judaism in Music", published in 1850 175 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:54,093 under a pseudonym, Freigedank, 176 00:09:54,093 --> 00:09:56,095 Free Thinker. 177 00:09:56,095 --> 00:09:58,597 He creates a whole ideology 178 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:00,600 about race and creativity 179 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,602 showing that in order to be creative 180 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:05,104 an individual has to be rooted in a society 181 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:07,106 and have a kind of historic relationship 182 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:11,110 to landscape and language and to the social life 183 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:12,611 of the community. 184 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:16,115 Jews as outsiders are denied the basic roots 185 00:10:16,115 --> 00:10:17,616 of creativity. 186 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:21,120 They are parasites, they're wandering, 187 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,621 not truly connected. 188 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:26,626 Therefore their best suit as artists is imitative, 189 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,628 but they have no real creativity. 190 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:31,631 The Jew speaks the language in whose midst he dwells 191 00:10:31,631 --> 00:10:34,133 from generation to generation, 192 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:37,136 but he speaks it always as an alien. 193 00:10:37,136 --> 00:10:39,138 The important thing is that he's the first person 194 00:10:39,138 --> 00:10:42,641 to popularize the idea that what's dangerous about the Jew 195 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:44,644 is the capacity to assimilate. 196 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,145 Because the Jews want to look creative, 197 00:10:46,145 --> 00:10:48,647 they want to look like everybody else, 198 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:50,149 and they actually do it very well 199 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:51,650 because they're very good at the imitation 200 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:55,154 and therefore they're an invisible poison. 201 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:56,655 We have to explain to ourselves 202 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:59,659 the involuntary repellants possessed for us 203 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:02,662 by the nature and the personality of the Jews. 204 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:04,664 ...feeling of the greatest revulsion, 205 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:07,667 repugnance against the Jewish nature. 206 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:10,670 In particular the purely physical aspects... 207 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:15,174 ...creaking, squeaking, buzzing, snuffle, 208 00:11:15,174 --> 00:11:17,676 yodel, cackle. 209 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:21,681 His first wife Minna, could never come to terms 210 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:24,183 with this anti-Semitism. 211 00:11:24,183 --> 00:11:26,185 I used to be happy in the knowledge that you 212 00:11:26,185 --> 00:11:27,686 were close to me while you created 213 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:30,189 all the beautiful things. 214 00:11:30,189 --> 00:11:31,690 You always made me so happy, 215 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:35,695 sang and played almost every new scene for me. 216 00:11:35,695 --> 00:11:37,697 But since two years ago when you wanted 217 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:40,199 to read me that essay in which you slander 218 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:42,701 an entire race which has been fundamentally 219 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:47,707 helpful to you I could not force myself to listen. 220 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:49,208 And ever since that time you have borne 221 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:51,710 a grudge against me and punished me 222 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:54,213 so severely for it that you never again 223 00:11:54,213 --> 00:11:57,716 let me hear anything from your works. 224 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,218 She was very insightful. 225 00:11:59,218 --> 00:12:01,220 I mean, she understood there was something wrong 226 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:03,722 and she picked it up. 227 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:05,725 After that he lost all this respect for her 228 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:09,228 as a judge, as a companion even. 229 00:12:09,228 --> 00:12:10,729 So there was that emotional break 230 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:15,735 and new affairs and all the rest of it. 231 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,738 In "Judaism in Music" Wagner attacked the Jews 232 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:21,240 for being wandering nomads. 233 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,242 But he himself was a wanderer, 234 00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:25,744 a wanted man with a price on his head. 235 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:28,748 He would not be able to return to Germany 236 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:32,251 for 12 more years. 237 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:34,753 ♪ 238 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:37,757 Wagner's next home was here in Switzerland 239 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,760 where he was supported by wealthy friends. 240 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,262 He was now separated from his wife. 241 00:12:43,262 --> 00:12:50,269 ♪ 242 00:12:50,269 --> 00:12:54,273 One day an unexpected visitor knocked on the door. 243 00:12:54,273 --> 00:12:56,775 Carl Tausig. 244 00:12:56,776 --> 00:12:59,779 He was 16 years old from Warsaw 245 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,781 and already gaining a reputation 246 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:05,284 as one of the greatest piano virtuosos in Europe. 247 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:07,786 He was also Jewish. 248 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:10,790 He was a student, I would say a protégé, 249 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:11,791 of Franz Liszt. 250 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:15,795 He had a letter of recommendation from Liszt. 251 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:18,297 I send you today a wonderful fellow, 252 00:13:18,297 --> 00:13:19,798 dearest Richard. 253 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,801 Receive him kindly. 254 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:24,303 Tausig is to work your Erard thoroughly 255 00:13:24,303 --> 00:13:27,306 and to play all manner of things for you. 256 00:13:27,306 --> 00:14:04,343 ♪ 257 00:14:04,343 --> 00:14:06,345 And the fact that Wagner was swept off his feet 258 00:14:06,345 --> 00:14:09,348 by the youngster's playing I guess 259 00:14:09,348 --> 00:14:12,351 wouldn't be any surprise because he was, 260 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:14,853 by all accounts, a wonderful pianist. 261 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:17,356 ♪ 262 00:14:17,356 --> 00:14:20,359 More important than that he took a paternal interest 263 00:14:20,359 --> 00:14:21,360 in the boy. 264 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,861 He just took him under his wing, 265 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:24,363 practically adopted him. 266 00:14:24,363 --> 00:14:26,365 He found a place for the boy to live 267 00:14:26,365 --> 00:14:28,867 in a small cubby hole, as he calls it, 268 00:14:28,868 --> 00:14:30,369 near his own home. 269 00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:39,878 ♪ 270 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,883 Tausig is gradually worming his way into my heart. 271 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,385 Small bad habits apart he is really 272 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:48,887 a very intelligent, sympathetic, 273 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:51,390 and good hearted youngster. 274 00:14:51,390 --> 00:15:01,900 ♪ 275 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:04,403 This was a new experience for Wagner 276 00:15:04,403 --> 00:15:06,405 and it's really amusing to read it 277 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:08,407 because he must have thought the boy 278 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:11,410 was something exceptional, but in his behavior 279 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:15,414 he was just a normal 16 year old. 280 00:15:15,414 --> 00:15:17,416 He sits down to table every day 281 00:15:17,416 --> 00:15:20,419 stating that he has no appetite at all 282 00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:21,920 which pleases me all the less 283 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:24,423 because the reason is the cheese and the sweets 284 00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:26,425 he has eaten. 285 00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:27,926 He hates walking, 286 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:29,929 and yet declares that he would like to come with me 287 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:31,931 when I propose to leave him at home. 288 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:34,934 After the first half hour he lags behind 289 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:38,437 as if he had walked for four hours. 290 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:40,939 My childless marriage is thus, suddenly blessed 291 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:43,442 with an interesting phenomenon. 292 00:15:43,442 --> 00:15:45,944 And I take in in rapid doses 293 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:49,949 the quintessence of paternal cares and troubles. 294 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:51,951 ♪ 295 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:54,954 At the same time it touches and moves me 296 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:58,958 when this boy shows such deep, tender feelings. 297 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:02,461 Such large sympathy that he captivates me 298 00:16:02,461 --> 00:16:04,463 irresistibly. 299 00:16:04,463 --> 00:16:10,969 ♪ 300 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,472 Wagner was a terrible, 301 00:16:13,472 --> 00:16:14,973 terrible pianist. 302 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:16,475 He never really learned. 303 00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:19,978 Which is one of the reasons he very often had, 304 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:23,983 when he could afford it, a young man nearby, 305 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:28,487 always at hand who could play the piano for him. 306 00:16:28,487 --> 00:16:31,490 This is at the cusp, Wagner's at the cusp, 307 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:33,992 of the development of real racial anti-Semitism 308 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:35,995 which means you're Jewish, I'm Jewish, 309 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:38,497 we're all alike, nothing we can do. 310 00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:40,999 By the same token there was a long tradition 311 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,501 of exceptional Jews. 312 00:16:42,501 --> 00:16:44,503 Jews, because of their wealth 313 00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:46,004 or their education who were accepted 314 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:47,506 in Christian society. 315 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:52,010 I don't like your relatives, but I like you. 316 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:56,515 Three years later he's living in Vienna. 317 00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:58,517 ♪ 318 00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:02,020 He meets Tausig again there, he's living in Vienna. 319 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:06,525 By now Tausig had a major career as a pianist. 320 00:17:06,525 --> 00:17:09,027 He helped Wagner meet wealthy supporters 321 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:12,031 and put on concerts to introduce Wagner's music 322 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:14,033 to the Viennese public. 323 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:36,055 ♪ 324 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:40,559 In 1863 Wagner embarked on a tour across Europe 325 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:45,063 to earn much needed income as a traveling conductor. 326 00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:48,067 Many of his concerts were organized by Tausig 327 00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:50,569 and two other Jewish musicians: 328 00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:55,073 Leopold Damrosch, and Heinrich Porges. 329 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:58,077 Such demoniac personalities cannot be judged 330 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:01,080 by ordinary standards. 331 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,582 They are egotists of the first water 332 00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:05,083 and must be so, 333 00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:08,587 or they could never fulfill their mission. 334 00:18:08,587 --> 00:18:11,089 On his travels Wagner found that some of 335 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:15,594 his most loyal audiences were Jews. 336 00:18:15,594 --> 00:18:19,097 To my amazement I found almost the entire room 337 00:18:19,098 --> 00:18:21,600 at all events, the front seats 338 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,102 filled with Jews. 339 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:27,606 And in fact I owed such success as I obtained 340 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:31,109 to the interest excited in this section 341 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:33,612 of the population. 342 00:18:33,612 --> 00:18:37,616 Jews were deeply invested in the music of their time. 343 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:41,119 They were the leading sector in most cities 344 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,623 in the population of audience and of students. 345 00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:47,626 Being a musician didn't require that you give up 346 00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:48,627 your ways as a Jew. 347 00:18:48,627 --> 00:18:52,130 It was compatible with remaining very traditionally 348 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,632 Jewish. 349 00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:56,134 So music had a place in a way that let's say, 350 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:59,638 imagery, painting, sculpture never had 351 00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:02,641 as part of Gentile culture to be assimilated 352 00:19:02,641 --> 00:19:04,643 into the Jewish home. 353 00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:07,145 So that there are Jews that flocked to Wagner 354 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:12,151 it's because there were a lot of Jews in music. 355 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,653 Ideologically you could conjure up anti-Semitism 356 00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:17,155 out of nowhere but what decides whether 357 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:20,159 a person becomes an obsessive anti-Semite 358 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:23,662 or an active one depends on their emotional persona, 359 00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:25,163 the personality. 360 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:28,667 Usually whether they have paranoid traits. 361 00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,168 Every time something negative happened 362 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:32,171 where a Jewish person was concerned 363 00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:33,672 he would say, "A-ha. 364 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:35,674 This happened because he's Jewish." 365 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,175 This happens even today. 366 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:41,180 One uses the opportunity to hate Jews 367 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,183 by circumstantial evidence. 368 00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:47,186 Wagner's wife, Minna, had spoken out against 369 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:48,687 his anti-Semitism. 370 00:19:48,687 --> 00:19:51,189 But they were now permanently separated. 371 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:54,193 He had a new lover, soon to be his second wife, 372 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:58,697 Cosima, the young daughter of his friend, Franz Liszt. 373 00:19:58,697 --> 00:19:59,698 ♪ 374 00:19:59,698 --> 00:20:02,701 His second wife treated him as a curator 375 00:20:02,701 --> 00:20:04,202 treats a rare object. 376 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:08,207 Well, she worshipped him, she utterly worshipped the man. 377 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:11,210 But she became, if it's possible, 378 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:15,714 a greater anti-Semite than he was. 379 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:18,216 Despite his Jewish supporters 380 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,219 Richard and Cosima were convinced 381 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:22,721 that he was being persecuted by the Jews. 382 00:20:22,721 --> 00:20:25,724 Behind every setback and disappointment 383 00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:29,227 they saw a Jewish plot to take revenge on him 384 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:32,731 for his anonymous article on Judaism in music. 385 00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:35,734 When his opera, "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg", 386 00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:38,236 received a scathing review in Vienna 387 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,739 Wagner had had enough. 388 00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:43,241 He decided to republish the essay, 389 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,744 this time under his own name 390 00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:48,747 with some revisions. 391 00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:50,248 The early Wagner probably doesn't mean 392 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:54,253 murdering the Jews in 1850, I'm sure he doesn't, 393 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,755 but in 1869, later on, 394 00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:59,257 you're seeing the ambiguities exploited 395 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:01,760 and it's intimated maybe a physical death, 396 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,763 or at least the destruction of the Jews as a community 397 00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:06,765 would be desirable. 398 00:21:06,765 --> 00:21:08,767 Whether the downfall of our culture 399 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:11,770 can be arrested by a violent ejection 400 00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:14,272 of the destructive foreign element, 401 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,775 I am unable to decide, 402 00:21:16,775 --> 00:21:18,777 since that would require forces 403 00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:23,281 with whose existence I am unacquainted. 404 00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:26,285 What are you doing to yourself, you may ask. 405 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:30,289 He charges into this nest of, 406 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:31,790 he creates these enemies. 407 00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:34,793 He tells these people you are vile, 408 00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:37,295 you're not German, you may speak German, 409 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:39,298 but it's not really German. 410 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:44,303 You are totally, totally worthless creatures. 411 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:48,307 And he was, at the same time, 412 00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:51,810 raising money from them. 413 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:56,314 In 1871 Wagner announced that he was planning to build 414 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,817 a special theater in the Bavarian-Franconian 415 00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,318 town of Bayreuth 416 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,821 to stage his monumental new work, 417 00:22:02,821 --> 00:22:05,323 "The Ring of the Nibelung". 418 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:08,327 He had the financial support of the King of Bavaria, 419 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:12,331 Ludwig II who was a passionate Wagnerian. 420 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:14,333 Even the Bavarian treasury couldn't pay 421 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:15,334 for the whole thing. 422 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:17,336 It was a very expensive proposition. 423 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:20,839 He needed somebody in charge of trying to raise funds 424 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:22,340 and he turned to Tausig. 425 00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:24,843 It was Tausig who probably first got the idea 426 00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:26,344 of the patron certificate, 427 00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:27,846 where you do that all the time today, 428 00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,848 you pay a certain amount of money up front 429 00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:31,349 and for that you get a lot of privileges 430 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:32,851 including, maybe, free tickets 431 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,352 or something like that. 432 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:37,356 And the buyers were those people for whom 433 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,857 culture was very important. 434 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:42,360 Culture in 19th century Europe was the ticket 435 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:46,865 for recognition and equality for Jews. 436 00:22:46,865 --> 00:22:51,369 But Tausig's fundraising work did not last for long. 437 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:53,872 While he was on a concert tour in Leipzig 438 00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:56,875 he suddenly fall ill with typhus fever 439 00:22:56,875 --> 00:22:59,878 and died a few days later. 440 00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:01,880 He was 29. 441 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:11,890 ♪ 442 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:13,391 To be ready for death 443 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:17,396 life's fruit slowly ripens. 444 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:22,401 To earn its ripeness early in the sudden blush of spring, 445 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:27,406 that was your fate and your daring. 446 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:32,911 Now we must grieve both your fate and your daring. 447 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:33,912 ♪ 448 00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:37,415 But Wagner was about to meet two young Jewish men 449 00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,919 who would mean even more to him. 450 00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:42,921 The year after Tausig's death Wagner met 451 00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:46,925 the new conductor of the Royal Opera in Munich. 452 00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:47,926 Hermann Levi. 453 00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:58,436 ♪ 454 00:23:58,437 --> 00:24:03,442 ♪ I came down through the woods and saw my old house ♪ 455 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:14,453 ♪ There sat my lost love, glancing through the window ♪ 456 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,955 He was a very, very famous man. 457 00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:20,959 One of the great German conductors of his time. 458 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:23,962 He had one of those German apprenticeship careers 459 00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:25,463 where you went up from smaller towns 460 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:27,466 to progressively larger towns 461 00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,967 and you ended up in Munich. 462 00:24:28,967 --> 00:24:32,971 ♪ 463 00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:36,474 Levi was descended from a proud Rabbinical family. 464 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:40,479 The last 14 generations of Levis were rabbis, 465 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:43,482 including his father, Benedict Samuel Levi, 466 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:47,486 chief rabbi of the town of Giessen. 467 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:50,989 Most people who wanted to get somewhere in the arts, 468 00:24:50,989 --> 00:24:52,991 they converted if they were Jewish. 469 00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:55,493 Levi didn't and that was unusual 470 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,497 and he got what, probably everybody considered 471 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:03,001 to be fun needling about that for years. 472 00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:04,502 It's said that he took these things 473 00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,506 with a kind of pained smile. 474 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,509 ♪ 475 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:14,012 How much pain was there, one can only imagine. 476 00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:19,017 ♪ 477 00:25:19,017 --> 00:25:21,519 Levi was one of the best conductors around 478 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,022 and Brahms, to a degree, needed him. 479 00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:25,523 Not just as a conductor, but for his knowledge 480 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,025 of the orchestra. 481 00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:30,028 Levi became his sort of advisor in orchestration. 482 00:25:30,028 --> 00:25:33,031 Levi knew the orchestra inside out in a way 483 00:25:33,031 --> 00:25:37,035 that maybe even Brahms didn't. 484 00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:39,037 It was almost like the Hatfields and the McCoys, 485 00:25:39,037 --> 00:25:41,039 or the Montagues and the Capulets. 486 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,541 You were either a Brahmsian or a Wagnerian in those days 487 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,044 and there was not a lot of crossing. 488 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,047 Wagner declared the symphony to be dead 489 00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:52,550 and that new forms of music, such as his own operas, 490 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:54,553 were the future of music. 491 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:58,056 Meanwhile the conservatives believed in the old forms 492 00:25:58,056 --> 00:26:01,059 especially genres like symphony and string quartet, 493 00:26:01,059 --> 00:26:03,061 and Brahms believed that those things were 494 00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:04,562 what music were about, 495 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:07,065 that those things were eternal. 496 00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:10,568 It was a bitter, bitter divide for a long time 497 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,571 that seemed mutually exclusive, though, 498 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,573 of course now Brahms and Wagner 499 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:18,577 cohabit concert programs with no problem. 500 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:21,079 Like a good Brahmsian Hermann Levi 501 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,083 always kept his distance from Wagner. 502 00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:27,085 But then he conducted Wagner's 503 00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:31,589 "Tristan und Isolde" in Munich. 504 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,594 Levi became mesmerized by Wagner's music. 505 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:38,096 Soon he began to visit the Wagners 506 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:42,100 at Wahnfried, their new villa in Bayreuth. 507 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:45,603 ♪ 508 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,606 A few months after Wagner met Levi 509 00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:49,608 he received a letter from a young pianist 510 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:53,612 in Kharkiv, Russia. 511 00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:56,615 ♪ 512 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,617 I am a Jew. 513 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:02,621 By telling you that, I tell you everything. 514 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,623 All those characteristics noticeable in 515 00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:08,627 the present day Jews, I too possess. 516 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:10,629 My condition largely worsens 517 00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:14,633 since I recognize that the Jews have to perish. 518 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:17,636 How should I, however, not also perish 519 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:20,639 since I am, myself, a Jew? 520 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:22,641 I cannot perish by baptism. 521 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,644 Only death is left to me. 522 00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:28,146 I've already tried to commit suicide, 523 00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,648 but I still decided to write you. 524 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,651 Could I not be useful to you 525 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:35,153 with the performance of a "Nibelungen"? 526 00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:38,156 I believe that I understand this work, 527 00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:40,658 even if not completely. 528 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:44,663 I look to you, then, for help. 529 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:47,666 For the help I urgently need. 530 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,668 The letter indicated that he suffered 531 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:54,172 from terrible loneliness and terrible depression 532 00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:56,674 and he was a Wagner fan. 533 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,176 Now you'd think this would be exactly 534 00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:01,679 the kind of letter Wagner wouldn't reply to. 535 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,684 Richard sends him a very friendly reply. 536 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:09,187 As soon as Rubenstein received Wagner's reply 537 00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,690 he traveled from Russia to this house in Switzerland 538 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:14,693 where the Wagners were staying. 539 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:26,705 ♪ 540 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:28,707 In the evening Herr Joseph Rubinstein 541 00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:31,209 suddenly arrives from Kharkiv, 542 00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:34,212 a curious spectacle and experience. 543 00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:37,715 Richard is infinitely kind to the young man 544 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:40,218 and advises him to take things easy, 545 00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:42,720 offers him access to Bayreuth. 546 00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:46,224 And the visit turned out to last ten years. 547 00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:48,226 For most of the next ten years 548 00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,228 Rubinstein lived with the Wagner family 549 00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:51,729 as part of the household. 550 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:54,232 Wagner put him to work as a musical copyist 551 00:28:54,232 --> 00:28:58,236 and arranger. 552 00:28:58,236 --> 00:29:06,744 ♪ 553 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,246 Rubinstein, I mean, 554 00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,748 Wagner recognized from the start this was a crazy chap 555 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:13,251 and I think he took him in like he would a stray dog 556 00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:15,253 to begin with. 557 00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:17,755 ♪ 558 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:18,757 Then he found he was very useful, 559 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:21,760 he was entertaining, an admirable pianist. 560 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:32,270 ♪ 561 00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:35,273 Wagner more and more loved to lecture, 562 00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:37,775 he loved to lecture his guests. 563 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,779 And he always had Rubinstein there to play 564 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:44,282 whatever was needed to exhibit. 565 00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:46,784 If Wagner wanted to show a portion of 566 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,287 what he had composed in the last ten days 567 00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:54,292 or two weeks there was Rubinstein to play for him. 568 00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:56,794 And also it's someone you can look down on 569 00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:57,796 when he's out of the room. 570 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,297 Or even when he's in the room, 571 00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,799 come to think of it, even better. 572 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,803 After one of the final piano rehearsals 573 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,805 Wagner tries to thank Joseph Rubinstein 574 00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,807 for the work he has done. 575 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,809 He starts off very amiably and then 576 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,811 says something along the lines of, 577 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:15,814 "If we never really drew closer on a human level, 578 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,817 the fault is not mine, but yours. 579 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:20,819 You are a member of a foreign race 580 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,321 with which we have no sympathy. 581 00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:24,322 Jewish". 582 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:26,324 By the end he gets quite worked up 583 00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:28,826 so that his planned speech of thanks 584 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:32,330 turns into an expression of anger and ill feeling. 585 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,832 ♪ 586 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:37,335 Something underneath caused them 587 00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:39,337 to get along with each other 588 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:43,341 despite some flare-ups, despite his religion, 589 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:46,344 despite Wagner's short temper. 590 00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:47,845 Wagner had his own problems 591 00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:52,350 and he must have known that his man really suffered. 592 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:55,353 I think he probably, without ever expressing it, 593 00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:58,356 saw something of himself in this man. 594 00:30:58,356 --> 00:31:03,361 ♪ 595 00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:05,363 As the opening of the Bayreuth Festival 596 00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:06,864 drew closer, 597 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:09,868 Wagner was surrounded by Jewish helpers. 598 00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:12,370 Joseph Rubinstein was the accompanist 599 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:13,871 for piano rehearsals. 600 00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:16,875 Hermann Levi took time off from his duties in Munich 601 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,377 to work with the Bayreuth orchestra. 602 00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:21,879 Heinrich Porges kept an official record 603 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,884 of all Wagner's stage directions to his cast. 604 00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,886 The soprano, Lilli Lehmann, 605 00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:29,888 coached the women's choruses 606 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:31,890 and premiered several different roles 607 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,391 in "The Ring Cycle". 608 00:31:33,391 --> 00:31:37,395 ♪ 609 00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:40,398 He did very, very good things for these people. 610 00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:42,900 They got recognition, they got to deal 611 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:43,902 with a genius. 612 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:47,405 I mean, if anybody knows about Hermann Levi now 613 00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:51,409 or Joseph Rubinstein now it's thanks to Wagner 614 00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:53,911 and the Wagnerian connection. 615 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,413 It's complicated, 616 00:31:55,413 --> 00:31:57,915 but you can't take these Jewish friends 617 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,418 and say, "Look, this is the alibi. 618 00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:02,920 He wasn't anti-Semitic, he's got Jewish friends." 619 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,422 I mean, this is absurd. 620 00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:05,923 You have to look at the quality of the friendships 621 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:06,925 and so on. 622 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,427 He needs Tausig for piano reductions, 623 00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:10,928 he needs Porges and the others 624 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:11,930 for screen help, 625 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,933 Rubinstein for helping out. 626 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,935 I am too old to fool myself 627 00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:19,437 about anything anymore and I am telling you 628 00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:21,939 that what is going to happen in Bayreuth next year 629 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,944 will produce a radical change in our artistic world. 630 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:27,946 Levi was getting closer to Wagner 631 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:29,447 and Brahms knew it. 632 00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:32,450 And they had a visit and that meeting ended badly 633 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,453 and Brahms left without saying goodbye. 634 00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:38,456 And they met after that, but it was never quite the same 635 00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,459 and Levi was, in fact, pulling away from Brahms, 636 00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:42,960 being a champion of Brahms, really, 637 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,965 to being Wagner's acolyte and conductor. 638 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:49,467 And part of the cult in a way, I think. 639 00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:56,474 ♪ 640 00:32:56,474 --> 00:33:03,481 ♪ Now I shall see her no more ♪ 641 00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:07,485 ♪ 642 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:14,492 Levi had now lost his closest friend 643 00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:16,994 because of his support for Wagner. 644 00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:18,997 But he also knew that the Wagnerians 645 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,999 would never completely accept him 646 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,001 because he was a Jew. 647 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:26,004 He did his best to fit in at Wahnfried. 648 00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,006 He even began to echo Wagner's ideas 649 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,509 about the Jews. 650 00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,511 Friend Levi speaks of a great movement 651 00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:37,014 against the Jews in all spheres of life. 652 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,017 In Munich there are attempts to remove them 653 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:40,518 from the town council. 654 00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:44,021 He hopes that in twenty years they will be extricated 655 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,025 root and branch and the audience for "The Ring" 656 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:51,029 will be another kind of public. 657 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,031 Certainly one of the moments when things began 658 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:56,034 to go sour between Brahms and Levi 659 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,535 is when Levi wrote Brahms, I think, 660 00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,037 a really remarkable letter about Wagner 661 00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:02,540 and about Wagner's, even at the time, 662 00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:06,043 infamous article "Judaism in Music". 663 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,046 Levi wrote "I've never been able to join in 664 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:11,049 with the general howling about Wagner's foolishness 665 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,051 and questionable character. 666 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,053 You'll remember that I, myself, 667 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,555 defended the Jewish brochure insofar as I believe it 668 00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:21,559 to come from serious artistic conviction." 669 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,061 ♪ 670 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,564 The Jews feel sense, in a guilty way, 671 00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:29,567 that Wagner has got some, a germ of truth 672 00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:32,570 which is why he's so wounding to them, I think. 673 00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,572 You know, if it was completely bogus, 674 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:37,074 they didn't feel that bit of insecurity 675 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,076 they wouldn't be affected. 676 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,578 But they know he's got something. 677 00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,580 That they're outsiders. 678 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:45,583 That they're German is not naturally 679 00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:48,085 the proper high German of the artist 680 00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,588 and you get this self doubt coming up 681 00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:53,090 as a result. 682 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:55,593 The Wagners knew that Jews like Levi 683 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,095 were the most devoted helpers they could find 684 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:01,099 because they had the most to prove. 685 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:05,103 If you come we shall be able to talk about your people. 686 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,106 Do you think that you and Rubinstein could serve 687 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:11,109 as typical examples of the species? 688 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,611 I do not think so. 689 00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:22,620 ♪ 690 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:26,123 The opening of the Bayreuth Festival in 1876 691 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,626 was a major international event. 692 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:31,128 From nearly every part of the world 693 00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:33,131 audiences streamed up to the theater 694 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,134 on Bayreuth's Green Hill to see the world premier 695 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:40,138 of Wagner's "Ring Cycle". 696 00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:42,640 Few people in the audience were as struck 697 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,143 by what they saw as Angelo Neumann, 698 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:50,648 a young Jewish tenor turned opera impresario. 699 00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:53,651 I was incapable of speaking to a soul, 700 00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:58,155 so deeply sunk was I in all I had seen and heard. 701 00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:00,158 Angelo said, "I got an idea. 702 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:04,162 What do you say I tour this all around Europe?" 703 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:05,663 And Wagner says, "Great, do it. 704 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:08,666 I support you, I'll sign the contracts." 705 00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:11,669 And that's exactly what Angelo Neumann did, 706 00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:15,172 he brought it to Italy, to different parts of Germany, 707 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,675 to Paris, to London. 708 00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:22,179 I think he, more than Bayreuth, made "The Ring Cycle" famous 709 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,183 all over Europe because he was bringing it 710 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:28,686 to all these other European capitols. 711 00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:32,690 He is Angelo Neumann, a man of Jewish extraction 712 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:36,694 and strangely energetic and extremely devoted to me 713 00:36:36,694 --> 00:36:39,196 in a way which, oddly enough, 714 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:42,700 I find now only among the Jews. 715 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:46,203 ♪ 716 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:49,207 Since anti-Semitism was so commonplace 717 00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:51,209 it's very hard for us to understand 718 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:54,712 that the Jewish audience paid as little attention as possible 719 00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:56,213 to his anti-Semitism. 720 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,716 We look back always at Jewish history 721 00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:00,718 through the lens of the Holocaust, 722 00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:04,221 as if everything led up to Auschwitz 723 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,724 and that's a distortion. 724 00:37:06,724 --> 00:37:10,227 People were flabbergasted 725 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:13,731 by what happened in 1933. 726 00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:17,234 There were still flabbergasted when the anti Jewish laws 727 00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:19,237 were passed in the '30s. 728 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:23,241 They were still flabbergasted when Kristallnacht happened. 729 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:28,246 They were still flabbergasted when they were taken to camps. 730 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:31,249 Now they were not stupid people. 731 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:35,753 And they thought, "This can't be true. 732 00:37:35,753 --> 00:37:39,256 We've lived in this place for hundreds of years. 733 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,259 We speak the language. 734 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:44,762 We are an integral part of this community. 735 00:37:44,762 --> 00:37:48,265 So, yeah, there are a lot of people who don't like us." 736 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,768 Do we think that Barack Obama 737 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,770 and that African Americans in the United States 738 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:56,273 should consider their life in American unstable 739 00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:58,776 because of the ubiquity of racism? 740 00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:02,279 There's racism every corner where we live. 741 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,783 Does that make this an unstable place? 742 00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:07,785 ♪ 743 00:38:07,785 --> 00:38:10,287 Now, to some of them Wagner's anti-Semitism 744 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,790 was a cause of distress, 745 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:17,294 especially as the century wore on. 746 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,298 Because there began to be real tensions 747 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,300 between Jews and non-Jews that had 748 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,302 real political significance. 749 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,804 You find the birth of political anti-Semitism. 750 00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:30,307 And then Jews began to have qualms about, 751 00:38:30,308 --> 00:38:31,809 you know, there's something about this 752 00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:33,310 which is not right. 753 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,313 What produces political anti-Semitism 754 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,315 is the reaction to 1871, 755 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:40,318 the final full emancipation of the Jews as citizens 756 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:44,322 in the United German Empire. 757 00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:46,324 It's not a cultural anti-Semitism, 758 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:49,327 it's a racial anti-Semitism where you were being tarred 759 00:38:49,327 --> 00:38:54,332 because of who you are, because of your very existence. 760 00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:55,833 The leaders of the new movement 761 00:38:55,833 --> 00:38:58,836 all corresponded with Wagner and considered him 762 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:01,338 an inspiration. 763 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,842 I read a very good speech by the preacher, Stoecker, 764 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:06,343 about the Jews. 765 00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:09,847 Richard is in favor of expelling them entirely. 766 00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:12,349 We laugh to think that it really seems as if 767 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:15,353 his article on the Jews marked the beginning 768 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:18,356 of this struggle. 769 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,859 As Wagner became closer with the anti-Semites 770 00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:26,864 his Jewish friends were becoming a liability. 771 00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:28,365 There's a lot of German anti-Semite didn't think 772 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:31,869 that Wagner was anti-Semitic, they thought he was Jewish 773 00:39:31,869 --> 00:39:33,871 because he had so many Jewish friends, 774 00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:36,373 there were cartoons in the paper about him. 775 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:40,878 The newspapers used to write articles to that effect. 776 00:39:40,878 --> 00:39:44,882 Richard wishes all Jews would drop off of him like warts 777 00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:49,887 for which there is no known remedy. 778 00:39:49,887 --> 00:39:52,890 In 1878 Wagner had signed a contact 779 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:56,393 with King Ludwig II stating that his new work, 780 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:59,397 "Parsifal", would be performed at Bayreuth 781 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:02,900 with the orchestra and chorus of the Munich Royal Opera. 782 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:04,902 Using the king's opera company 783 00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:06,904 was the only way Wagner could afford to hold 784 00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:08,906 another Bayreuth Festival. 785 00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:12,910 This meant that Hermann Levi, the king's court conductor, 786 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:16,413 was the natural choice to conduct "Parsifal". 787 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:19,417 It would be an overwhelming hardship to me 788 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:22,420 if "Parsifal", this all Christian work, 789 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,923 should be directed by a Jewish conductor. 790 00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:30,427 King Ludwig makes it clear without my royal orchestra 791 00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:34,432 or conductor, and conductor comes with the orchestra, 792 00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:38,936 there is no way I can see that we can get "Parisfal". 793 00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:42,439 Wagner is miffed. 794 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,443 He doesn't want Levi to conduct "Parsifal". 795 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:48,446 He makes it so impossible he, 796 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:51,949 he torments the man. 797 00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:53,951 He says in a conversation with Levi 798 00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:58,956 that he, as a Jew, has merely to learn to die. 799 00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:03,961 This Levi well understands. 800 00:41:03,961 --> 00:41:05,462 And when he tells Hermann Levi, 801 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:07,965 "As a Jew all you have to do is die," 802 00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:10,968 well, of course Wagner says "I mean it metaphorically. 803 00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:13,971 You have to destroy the Jewishness in yourself." 804 00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:16,974 But when you say that to someone, I mean, 805 00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:20,978 it's a crushing statement even if you mean it metaphorically. 806 00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:24,982 It's intended to hurt and then Wagner graciously, 807 00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:28,485 in a German way, will pick up the humiliated Levi 808 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:31,489 from his knees and restore him. 809 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,991 Whether he wants to actually die, well, 810 00:41:33,991 --> 00:41:35,492 of course he doesn't, 811 00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:37,495 I don't think Wagner wants to actually kill anyone. 812 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:39,497 But then again it was 1881, 813 00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:41,999 he reads of the Russian pogroms. 814 00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:45,002 An article about anti Jewish demonstrations 815 00:41:45,002 --> 00:41:48,505 makes him remark, "That is the only way it can be done, 816 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:53,511 by throwing these fellows out and giving them a thrashing." 817 00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:57,014 That's very physical. 818 00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:58,515 And there's that joke. 819 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:01,519 Wagner reads about the theater fire in Vienna 820 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,020 where some Jews were killed. 821 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,023 This was an operetta theater in Vienna. 822 00:42:06,023 --> 00:42:10,027 A fire broke out and hundreds of people were burned to death 823 00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:12,029 and trampled to death. 824 00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:15,532 The fact that 416 Israelites died in the fire 825 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:19,036 does not increase Richard's concern over the disaster. 826 00:42:19,036 --> 00:42:21,538 We, for example, do not talk of our feelings 827 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:23,541 about those Jews in the theater 828 00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:25,042 in front of Rubinstein. 829 00:42:25,042 --> 00:42:28,545 Four hundred unbaptized and probably five hundred 830 00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:30,548 baptized ones. 831 00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:32,550 He makes a drastic joke to the effect 832 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:35,052 that all Jews should be burned 833 00:42:35,052 --> 00:42:38,055 at a performance of "Nathan the Wise". 834 00:42:38,055 --> 00:42:43,560 This is the closest they've come to the incineration 835 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,564 of human beings in their fantasy of hate. 836 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:50,067 If it happened, if only it could be. 837 00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:54,571 It's a matter of the, the wishes, the dirty wishes. 838 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:59,577 ♪ 839 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:03,581 ♪ Over all the hilltops is calm ♪ 840 00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:14,592 ♪ In all the treetops, you can feel ♪ 841 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:19,096 ♪ hardly a breath of air ♪ 842 00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:28,105 ♪ 843 00:43:28,105 --> 00:43:36,113 ♪ The little birds fall silent in the woods ♪ 844 00:43:36,113 --> 00:43:40,117 ♪ 845 00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:49,626 ♪ Just wait... ♪ 846 00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:54,131 ♪ ...soon, you'll also be at rest ♪ 847 00:43:54,131 --> 00:44:27,164 ♪ 848 00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:29,666 Wagner had confidence in Levi's conducting, 849 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:33,671 but the fact remained he was a Jew. 850 00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:35,673 Richard and Cosima agreed that Levi 851 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:38,676 would have to get baptized before he could conduct 852 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:42,179 the opera, Wagner's most Christian work. 853 00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:45,682 Time and again they tried to persuade him to convert, 854 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,686 but Levi knew that baptism would break the heart 855 00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:53,190 of his beloved father, the rabbi. 856 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:56,693 What would become of me if I were to approach "Parsifal" 857 00:44:56,694 --> 00:45:00,197 from a level higher than that of the arts? 858 00:45:00,197 --> 00:45:01,198 I do not know. 859 00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:05,202 For the time being I struggled not to let any such power 860 00:45:05,202 --> 00:45:08,205 get a hold of me. 861 00:45:08,205 --> 00:45:12,709 In 1881 Wagner received an anonymous letter demanding 862 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:16,213 that he keep his work pure and not allow a Jew 863 00:45:16,213 --> 00:45:17,714 to conduct it. 864 00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:21,218 The letter also hinted that Levi and Cosima 865 00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:24,721 might be having an affair. 866 00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:27,725 Wagner set it all up, he even looks at his watch 867 00:45:27,725 --> 00:45:29,226 on the steps of Wahnfried and says, 868 00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:32,229 "You're late, Levi, for this meal." 869 00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,730 And then he sits him down and says, 870 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,733 "Someone has given me this letter 871 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:37,234 accusing you of an affair. 872 00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:39,236 I, of course, don't believe it." 873 00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:42,239 It of cour-, I mean, destroys the man. 874 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,741 Puts him into a state of breakdown. 875 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:54,251 I sat down at the table deeply upset and outraged, 876 00:45:54,251 --> 00:45:57,754 but could not utter a single word. 877 00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:01,759 In answer to the master's question why I was so quiet 878 00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:04,261 I responded, "I don't understand why 879 00:46:04,261 --> 00:46:06,763 you didn't just tear the letter into pieces. 880 00:46:06,764 --> 00:46:09,266 Why did you give it to me to read?" 881 00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:11,768 You know, the sun rose and set on Richard Wagner 882 00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:13,270 as far as Cosima was concerned. 883 00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:14,771 He was her whole life, I mean, 884 00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:17,775 there was no possibility and he knew that. 885 00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:20,778 My opinion is that he thought to show Levi 886 00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:22,279 "Look at the trouble you're causing. 887 00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:24,281 You see what's happening? 888 00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:26,283 People are willing to say all kind of things 889 00:46:26,283 --> 00:46:28,285 because you're Jewish. 890 00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:31,788 And, you know, if you just go through a ceremony, 891 00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:33,791 a simple little ceremony uh, 892 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:36,794 we won't have that anymore." 893 00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:39,296 Levi had finally reached his limit. 894 00:46:39,296 --> 00:46:42,799 After they finished eating he packed his bags 895 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,803 and left Bayreuth without saying goodbye. 896 00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:47,805 The next day he wrote to Wagner 897 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:51,308 resigning the post of "Parsifal" conductor. 898 00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:52,809 Wagner writes him and says, 899 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:53,811 "Look, we've got work to do here, 900 00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:54,812 come on back." 901 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:57,314 And Levi writes him back and says, 902 00:46:57,314 --> 00:46:57,814 "I'm sorry. 903 00:46:57,815 --> 00:46:59,316 Thanks, but no thanks. 904 00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:02,319 I think you need to get somebody else." 905 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:06,323 He said, "I'm over, finished with Wagner." 906 00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:10,827 And, of course, Wagner has to come round 907 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:14,331 because without Levi 908 00:47:14,331 --> 00:47:16,833 there's no Munich Orchestra, 909 00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:20,838 there's no Munich Chorus. 910 00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:22,840 There's no "Parsifal". 911 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,842 So Wagner sits down and writes him a letter, 912 00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:25,843 rather than a telegram. 913 00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:29,346 "You do not need to lose any of your faith. 914 00:47:29,346 --> 00:47:32,849 Perhaps some great change is about to take place 915 00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:35,853 in your life, but at all events 916 00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:39,356 you are my "Parsifal" conductor." 917 00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:42,359 Reading Wagner's letter Levi was finally reassured 918 00:47:42,359 --> 00:47:46,863 that Wagner would no longer try to have him baptized. 919 00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:49,867 He returned to Bayreuth and continued his work 920 00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:53,370 with Wagner. 921 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:56,873 Levi did conduct the world premier of "Parsifal" 922 00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:59,376 and nearly all the performances at that year's 923 00:47:59,376 --> 00:48:00,877 Bayreuth Festival. 924 00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:03,380 He continued to conduct "Parsifal" at Bayreuth 925 00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:05,882 for the next 12 years. 926 00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:08,385 He was never baptized. 927 00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:12,389 So Hermann Levi is a little bit of an odd case. 928 00:48:12,389 --> 00:48:14,891 I think more has been made of it than demands 929 00:48:14,892 --> 00:48:19,897 because he did understand on some level 930 00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:22,900 the conflict between genius 931 00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,402 and this sort of, in a way, 932 00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:27,904 humiliation that he had to suffer. 933 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:29,907 Listen, every Jew that dealt with Wagner 934 00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:32,409 knew about his essay. 935 00:48:32,409 --> 00:48:34,911 They knew the man was anti-Semitic. 936 00:48:34,912 --> 00:48:36,914 He knew they were Jewish. 937 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:40,417 But the important thing to all of them was artistry. 938 00:48:40,417 --> 00:48:42,919 He, it's no weakness on the part of Levi. 939 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,924 He was completely taken in by Wagner's music 940 00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:49,426 which I can understand, so am I. 941 00:48:49,426 --> 00:48:51,428 He was a Wagnerite. 942 00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:53,930 He uh, he gave up a lot of friends. 943 00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:57,935 There's nothing weak about Levi. 944 00:48:57,935 --> 00:49:00,437 The year after the "Parsifal" premier 945 00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:03,440 Wagner died in Venice. 946 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:10,447 ♪ 947 00:49:10,447 --> 00:49:14,451 "God grant you the strength to withstand this heavy test. 948 00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:17,954 Certainly consolation is impossible. 949 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,959 Please remember that a Richard Wagner does not die, 950 00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:25,462 only his mortal coil is stripped off." 951 00:49:25,462 --> 00:49:27,464 ♪ 952 00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:29,966 With Wagner gone Joseph Rubinstein's 953 00:49:29,967 --> 00:49:34,471 inner demons soon made life unbearable. 954 00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:38,975 One year later he returned to Lucerne, Switzerland 955 00:49:38,976 --> 00:49:41,478 where he had first met Wagner. 956 00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:46,483 There, Joseph Rubinstein shot himself to death. 957 00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:54,491 ♪ 958 00:49:54,491 --> 00:49:56,493 He was a man who felt he couldn't go on living 959 00:49:56,493 --> 00:49:58,495 once Wagner was dead. 960 00:49:58,495 --> 00:50:00,497 What that was about, I don't know. 961 00:50:00,497 --> 00:50:02,499 It was about genius, I suspect. 962 00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:07,003 He couldn't imagine that this genius could die. 963 00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:09,006 I think Wagner felt that Rubinstein was 964 00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:13,510 an extremely valuable commodity for his social occasions. 965 00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:17,014 Shame, isn't it? 966 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:21,518 Because it was so deep on the other side. 967 00:50:21,518 --> 00:50:30,026 ♪ 968 00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:32,529 Wagner passed away some six years 969 00:50:32,529 --> 00:50:35,031 before Hitler was born in 1889. 970 00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:38,535 So it wasn't that he planned any influence 971 00:50:38,535 --> 00:50:42,539 on a person he never knew, of course. 972 00:50:42,539 --> 00:50:45,542 Hitler said "Wagner is something divine. 973 00:50:45,542 --> 00:50:47,544 His music is my religion." 974 00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:51,047 In 1923 he went to visit Wagner's grave 975 00:50:51,048 --> 00:50:54,551 and visited it many times after and Hitler said, 976 00:50:54,551 --> 00:50:58,555 "When I was there for the first time on his grave 977 00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:01,057 I understood what is my vocation, 978 00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:02,559 what is my mission." 979 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,563 Okay, this is not anything that you can think lightly. 980 00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:10,066 He understood there what was his mission. 981 00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:18,575 ♪ 982 00:51:18,575 --> 00:51:22,579 When we came to the ghettos and concentration camps, 983 00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:24,581 hell is the garden of Eden compared 984 00:51:24,581 --> 00:51:26,082 to what we endured there. 985 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,585 Blows, humiliation and death. 986 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:32,589 Whenever they spoke to us, they called us "dirty Jew," 987 00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:34,090 "Jew full of lice." 988 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,594 Who did this? Anti-Semites. 989 00:51:37,594 --> 00:51:40,597 The hero of the anti-Semites was Wagner. 990 00:51:40,597 --> 00:51:43,099 Wagner wrote it very clearly in his books. 991 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:46,103 That is essentially why we don't want (Wagner's music). 992 00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:52,609 ♪ 993 00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:55,111 Sooner or later it must happen. 994 00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:58,615 To not play Wagner by an orchestral musician 995 00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:02,118 is like a pianist not playing Chopin. 996 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,121 It's just, should be part and parcel 997 00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:06,623 of their education. 998 00:52:06,623 --> 00:52:09,626 ♪ 999 00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:12,128 Whether you like his music or his personality 1000 00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:15,632 Wagner was a very important composer. 1001 00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:19,135 ♪ 1002 00:52:19,136 --> 00:52:21,638 You cannot live as a professional musician, 1003 00:52:21,638 --> 00:52:23,640 you cannot play a trombone or a horn 1004 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:29,145 or a violin for that matter without playing Wagner's music. 1005 00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:30,647 I grew up in Israel, of course, 1006 00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:32,148 we had one record of "Tannhäuser" at home, 1007 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:33,650 but that was about it. 1008 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:37,153 And I was introduced in way of shock therapy 1009 00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:38,655 when I went to become Daniel Barenboim's 1010 00:52:38,655 --> 00:52:39,656 assistant in Berlin. 1011 00:52:39,656 --> 00:52:42,158 And my first task there was to prepare "Parsifal" 1012 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:45,662 of all works and I was so taken by the music 1013 00:52:45,662 --> 00:52:48,665 and I was so, I've really cha-, 1014 00:52:48,665 --> 00:52:50,667 it has changed my life as a musician. 1015 00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:53,670 And since then I've been conducing as much Wagner 1016 00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:56,673 as I could. 1017 00:52:56,673 --> 00:52:59,175 In the coming years, regretfully, 1018 00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:02,179 we will not have any more survivors and, 1019 00:53:02,179 --> 00:53:06,183 and then another generation will listen to Wagner. 1020 00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:09,686 Wagner will become a legitimate composer 1021 00:53:09,686 --> 00:53:11,187 as any other composer. 1022 00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:14,191 It will take time, but I don't think this is 1023 00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:19,196 an everlasting curse or everlasting boycott. 1024 00:53:19,196 --> 00:53:20,697 Will there be ever a time? 1025 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:22,198 I don't know. 1026 00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,702 I would think that the nation that respects itself 1027 00:53:25,702 --> 00:53:29,706 should keep some symbols sacred. 1028 00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:31,207 Even if "sacred" is a strong word, 1029 00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:34,711 should keep and respect some symbols. 1030 00:53:34,711 --> 00:53:36,713 Every nation does that. 1031 00:53:36,713 --> 00:53:39,215 Why, why not us? 1032 00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:42,219 You ask me whether I am still a Wagnerian. 1033 00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:44,721 After years of study and reflection I feel 1034 00:53:44,721 --> 00:53:47,724 I might really call myself that. 1035 00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:49,726 I don't know whether my change of view 1036 00:53:49,726 --> 00:53:51,728 compared to what I thought as a young man 1037 00:53:51,728 --> 00:53:55,231 means a lack of principles, a weakness or a crime, 1038 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:58,735 or development and progress. 1039 00:53:58,735 --> 00:54:00,236 But it's as little use discussing Wagner 1040 00:54:00,237 --> 00:54:04,241 as it is discussing religion. 1041 00:54:04,241 --> 00:54:06,743 To each his own. 1042 00:54:06,743 --> 00:55:17,814 ♪ 74624

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