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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:02,060 Well, there you have it, 2 00:00:02,060 --> 00:00:03,460 the search for the treasure of the copper scrolls 3 00:00:03,470 --> 00:00:04,770 has come to a close, 4 00:00:04,770 --> 00:00:07,000 and with it, our two-part exploration 5 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,600 into the mysteries of the dead sea scrolls. 6 00:00:09,610 --> 00:00:11,540 But even though we may be out of the desert, 7 00:00:11,540 --> 00:00:14,210 I promise we're just getting warmed up. 8 00:00:14,210 --> 00:00:16,280 Tonight, I'll be joined by this gentleman, 9 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,380 archeologist dr. Oren gutfeld, 10 00:00:18,380 --> 00:00:20,280 and you'll see exclusive footage 11 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,820 of a potentially groundbreaking discovery 12 00:00:22,820 --> 00:00:24,690 beneath hyrcania fortress. 13 00:00:24,690 --> 00:00:26,420 We have something. What is that? 14 00:00:26,420 --> 00:00:28,160 Could that be a space in the wall? 15 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,660 We'll also hear from a scholar who thinks he knows 16 00:00:30,660 --> 00:00:33,690 exactly where the copper scrolls treasure came from, 17 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:37,200 why it hasn't been found, and where it may have gone. 18 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,230 Plus, members from the intrepid "exu" field crew 19 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,600 will be here to discuss the very real dangers we faced. 20 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:44,970 Woman: It's about to be out. 21 00:00:44,970 --> 00:00:46,740 Hold on, hold on! Let me do it. 22 00:00:46,740 --> 00:00:49,580 Gates: From car trouble in the scorching desert... 23 00:00:49,580 --> 00:00:51,010 Oh, perfect. 24 00:00:51,010 --> 00:00:54,080 ...To injuries in the depths of remote caves, 25 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,350 our dead sea scroll adventure was just the first chapter. 26 00:00:57,350 --> 00:01:00,890 Now the story continues in "after the hunt." 27 00:01:00,890 --> 00:01:03,090 -- captions by vitac -- www.Vitac.Com 28 00:01:03,090 --> 00:01:05,290 captions paid for by discovery communications 29 00:01:05,290 --> 00:01:06,590 I'm josh gates. 30 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Welcome back to "expedition unknown" headquarters. 31 00:01:09,170 --> 00:01:10,960 Well, it may have taken moses 40 years 32 00:01:10,970 --> 00:01:14,170 to get out of the desert, but for you, only an hour. 33 00:01:14,170 --> 00:01:16,100 Joining me here is someone who should be familiar 34 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:18,610 to you by now, archeologist dr. Oren gutfeld. 35 00:01:18,610 --> 00:01:19,710 Good to see you again, sir. How you doing? 36 00:01:19,710 --> 00:01:20,740 I'm glad to be here. 37 00:01:20,740 --> 00:01:21,910 Yeah, I'm happy to have you here. 38 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:22,940 Thank you. 39 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:24,510 Oren is the first person to find a new 40 00:01:24,510 --> 00:01:28,950 dead sea scroll parchment in a cave in qumran in 70 years. 41 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:30,180 And, oren, a little later, 42 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:32,320 we're gonna talk about these incredible tunnels 43 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:37,460 that you took me down in the hyrcania fortress there. 44 00:01:37,460 --> 00:01:40,330 But let's start with the other tunnels we were in. 45 00:01:40,330 --> 00:01:43,500 In beit lehi, this expansive settlement 46 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:44,970 in the judean lowlands -- 47 00:01:44,970 --> 00:01:47,070 first of all, I don't know what is with you and tunnels. 48 00:01:47,070 --> 00:01:48,340 Look at us. Oren, we're big guys, 49 00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:49,800 we have no business being in these tunnels. 50 00:01:49,810 --> 00:01:51,470 I don't know, occupational hazard. 51 00:01:51,470 --> 00:01:52,570 Right. If you're an archeologist, 52 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:53,870 you have to go where the tunnel leads, 53 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,410 I guess, right? Right. 54 00:01:55,410 --> 00:01:57,380 Okay. Now what? Are you stuck? 55 00:01:57,380 --> 00:01:58,950 Yes, I am. 56 00:01:58,950 --> 00:02:01,850 So, I have to say I was really blown away 57 00:02:01,850 --> 00:02:03,180 by beit lehi. 58 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:06,420 On the surface, just a really spectacular set of ruins there, 59 00:02:06,420 --> 00:02:10,560 but I had no idea how extensive this place was underground. 60 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,330 Here's a quick look back at our time 61 00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:14,330 underneath beit lehi. 62 00:02:14,330 --> 00:02:20,000 ♪ 63 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,440 josh, there's a staircase over here! 64 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,000 There's a staircase? 65 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:31,510 A tunnel going that way and a staircase going down, 66 00:02:31,510 --> 00:02:32,980 this is like a choose-your-own adventure. 67 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,550 It is. Should we try the stairs first? 68 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:37,750 Yes, let's go down to the stairs. 69 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:39,650 And then we'll double back to the tunnel. 70 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:41,460 [ grunts ] 71 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:46,360 right behind you. 72 00:02:55,940 --> 00:02:57,570 Wow. Look at this. 73 00:03:00,980 --> 00:03:02,580 Come here, come here. Look, there's pottery. 74 00:03:02,580 --> 00:03:04,440 Oh, yeah? Yeah. 75 00:03:04,450 --> 00:03:06,110 See it? 76 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,350 Cooking pot. 77 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:12,390 You don't even have to dig for it. 78 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:16,820 Oh, look at that. 79 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:18,260 The handle of the pot. 80 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,330 Look at that. 81 00:03:22,330 --> 00:03:23,860 That is awesome. 82 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:28,700 ♪ 83 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:29,900 oh, oh! Look at that! 84 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:31,270 What? Look at that! 85 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:34,540 It's an oil lamp. 86 00:03:34,540 --> 00:03:36,610 Oh, my god. 87 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:41,450 ♪ 88 00:03:41,450 --> 00:03:45,150 you know, as tight as it was and as hot as it was under there, 89 00:03:45,150 --> 00:03:47,050 I could have spent days underground there. 90 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:49,090 Really, I mean, it was so fascinating. 91 00:03:49,090 --> 00:03:50,920 These were hiding tunnels. 92 00:03:50,930 --> 00:03:53,960 And this is where jews that were escaping from the romans 93 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,500 were living and hiding. 94 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:58,100 And we found some remarkable artifacts down there -- 95 00:03:58,100 --> 00:04:00,170 pottery sherds, pieces of a cooking pot, 96 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:03,270 this beautiful oil lamp, which was really exciting. 97 00:04:03,270 --> 00:04:04,940 But let's talk about what we didn't find there -- 98 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:07,110 we didn't find scrolls. 99 00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:09,080 Yes, that's correct. So, why is that? 100 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,250 Well, the reason for that is that the site 101 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:13,950 of beit lehi's located in the judean lowland. 102 00:04:13,950 --> 00:04:16,720 The judean lowland is much closer to the mediterranean 103 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,050 and has much more humidity. 104 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:22,290 And since the scrolls are made of organic material, 105 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:25,790 like papyrus or parchment, they cannot survive there. 106 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:27,030 Right. 107 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:29,060 It's a reminder that we really only have these scrolls 108 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:32,430 because of these very, very perfect conditions 109 00:04:32,430 --> 00:04:33,870 in the caves in qumran. 110 00:04:33,870 --> 00:04:35,470 That's correct. 111 00:04:35,470 --> 00:04:39,110 The area of qumran, the dead sea is desert, very arid. 112 00:04:39,110 --> 00:04:41,310 I think that taking out the scrolls 113 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:42,640 from the area of the dead sea 114 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:45,210 caused them more damage in the last 70 years 115 00:04:45,210 --> 00:04:48,850 than the entire 2,000 years that they had been stored over there. 116 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:50,150 That's a wild thought... Yes. 117 00:04:50,150 --> 00:04:51,920 ...That really just the act 118 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,820 of moving these scrolls in the modern age... 119 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:55,220 Absolutely. ...Caused them to degrade. 120 00:04:55,220 --> 00:04:56,420 Yes, to a different condition. 121 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:58,430 Unfortunately, they didn't last. 122 00:04:58,430 --> 00:05:01,190 Right. 123 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,700 Just because there aren't scrolls down there 124 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,630 doesn't mean there aren't wonders to find. 125 00:05:05,630 --> 00:05:08,170 One of the things I think that really kind of made 126 00:05:08,170 --> 00:05:11,200 my brain melt is that there's so much of these tunnels 127 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:12,710 that haven't been explored even. 128 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:13,970 Oh, that's correct. 129 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:17,040 We've found numerous amounts of new caves 130 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:18,610 and new tunnels over there from the end 131 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:20,110 of the second temple period. 132 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,520 There's a scene that we didn't have a chance to show 133 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,120 that I want viewers to take a look at. 134 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,090 This is a moment where we got a look at a chamber 135 00:05:26,090 --> 00:05:29,460 that nobody has been into in the last 2,000 years 136 00:05:29,460 --> 00:05:31,760 that was just outside our reach. 137 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,060 Take a look at this. 138 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,700 Okay. 139 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:41,570 I got to rethink my line of work. 140 00:05:41,570 --> 00:05:43,140 Okay. 141 00:05:44,810 --> 00:05:45,870 Uh-huh. 142 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,910 Can you see through? 143 00:05:50,910 --> 00:05:53,380 It's a chamber. Yes. 144 00:05:56,820 --> 00:05:58,450 Can you fit in the room? 145 00:06:02,490 --> 00:06:03,920 It's 40 feet deep? 146 00:06:05,260 --> 00:06:06,730 Wow, wow, wow. 147 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:11,870 ♪ 148 00:06:11,870 --> 00:06:13,430 that was crazy to me. 149 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,800 I mean, you could see that there was this huge room, 150 00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:19,970 and it looked like doors and a staircase going down. 151 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:21,840 I mean, that staircase leads somewhere else. 152 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,510 It's amazing. Yes. 153 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:25,310 So, let's turn our attention away from the tunnels 154 00:06:25,310 --> 00:06:26,450 of beit lehi. 155 00:06:26,450 --> 00:06:27,810 Let's talk about, really, 156 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:30,250 I think the strangest of the dead sea scrolls -- 157 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:31,550 the copper scroll. 158 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:34,720 It's a very unique scroll from any point of view. 159 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,130 It was made from 99% pure copper. 160 00:06:38,130 --> 00:06:40,330 Have any other scrolls been found 161 00:06:40,330 --> 00:06:42,260 that are anything like this? 162 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:45,870 No, you have 929 dead sea scrolls, 163 00:06:45,870 --> 00:06:47,370 only one made of copper. 164 00:06:47,370 --> 00:06:48,570 Right. 165 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:50,900 Well, it was found at qumran in the '50s? 166 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:52,740 Yes, the copper scroll was found 167 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:54,440 in cave number 3 by the team of roland de vaux 168 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,810 in 1952. 169 00:06:56,810 --> 00:07:00,150 Now, when it was found, it was like any scroll, 170 00:07:00,150 --> 00:07:03,580 it was rolled up, making it impossible to read, correct? 171 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:05,550 Yes, because it was made of pure copper. 172 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:06,690 Right. 173 00:07:06,690 --> 00:07:08,820 And they couldn't open it until 1956 174 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:11,890 when john marco allegro took it to manchester. 175 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:14,030 And over there in the high-tech institute, 176 00:07:14,030 --> 00:07:16,830 professor baker cut it into pieces 177 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:19,230 that you can still see today. 178 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:20,900 Incredible. 179 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:23,170 So, now let's talk about what's on the copper scroll. 180 00:07:23,170 --> 00:07:25,770 It's a very, very unique and enigmatic text. 181 00:07:25,770 --> 00:07:28,180 It's not in other books of the bible. 182 00:07:28,180 --> 00:07:30,780 Copper scrolls speak about 64 places 183 00:07:30,780 --> 00:07:32,810 of where huge amount of treasures 184 00:07:32,820 --> 00:07:35,050 were hidden in the desert. 185 00:07:35,050 --> 00:07:36,650 Wow. 186 00:07:55,870 --> 00:07:57,100 Last phrase in the copper scroll 187 00:07:57,110 --> 00:08:01,310 mentioned a copy of this scroll made of silver. 188 00:08:01,310 --> 00:08:03,140 There's a silver copy that's never been found? 189 00:08:03,150 --> 00:08:04,510 That's correct. 190 00:08:04,510 --> 00:08:05,580 It's so frustrating. 191 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:07,310 The copper scroll is, like -- is -- 192 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,120 at every turn, is really frustrating. 193 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,920 And one of the reasons it's so frustrating, of course, 194 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,520 is that the instructions on it of where to look... 195 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,460 Yes. ...Are maddeningly vague. 196 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:17,820 Yes. As vague as the clues are, 197 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:20,030 there are some names and places mentioned. 198 00:08:20,030 --> 00:08:22,960 And I have to say, I thought you made a really interesting case 199 00:08:22,970 --> 00:08:25,730 for the fact that this area where this hyrcania fortress 200 00:08:25,730 --> 00:08:29,300 was could be a location from the scroll. 201 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:30,940 That's correct. 202 00:08:36,750 --> 00:08:40,250 And to make the case even more compelling were these tunnels. 203 00:08:40,250 --> 00:08:41,310 Yes. 204 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,950 And these tunnels are really unique. 205 00:08:42,950 --> 00:08:46,090 They don't make a lot of sense when you go down inside of them. 206 00:08:46,090 --> 00:08:48,620 First of all, they're cut at a very steep angle, 207 00:08:48,620 --> 00:08:50,760 one would assume a very purposeful angle. 208 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,960 It's not an easy, you know, thing to get up and down, 209 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,330 so the question is why -- why build a tunnel 210 00:08:55,330 --> 00:08:58,160 at this extreme angle going down into the earth? 211 00:08:58,170 --> 00:09:01,600 Well, that's the frustrating thing is that we don't know. 212 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,140 Right. 213 00:09:03,140 --> 00:09:04,870 And that's the reason we need to continue with the research. 214 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:06,710 And speaking of that, one of the tunnels forked 215 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:09,440 and hit a dead end, but we didn't let that stop us. 216 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,610 There's a lot more to our investigation of those tunnels 217 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:13,080 than you saw in the show. 218 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,020 We brought in some state-of-the-art tech 219 00:09:15,020 --> 00:09:18,420 to see if there's more to these passageways than meets the eye. 220 00:09:18,420 --> 00:09:19,690 Take a look. 221 00:09:23,860 --> 00:09:25,260 -Hi. -Hi, guys, how are you? 222 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:26,860 -Hi. -I'm josh. 223 00:09:26,860 --> 00:09:28,630 Yeah. Nice to meet you. 224 00:09:28,630 --> 00:09:30,760 He's our gpr person, and yakov kalman... 225 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:31,900 Yakov. Nice to meet you. 226 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:33,070 My associate from hebrew university. 227 00:09:33,070 --> 00:09:35,500 I see some serious tech here -- is this radar? 228 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:37,540 Yeah, it's a ground-penetrating radar. 229 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:40,640 I also see an oxygen canister here, that's not a great sign. 230 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,580 Well... What's that here for? 231 00:09:42,580 --> 00:09:45,250 That's because the lack of air inside. 232 00:09:45,250 --> 00:09:47,580 We were excavating over there once, 233 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:51,720 we almost died inside because of lack of air. 234 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,050 That's a great story. 235 00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:54,690 I'm thrilled to go in now. 236 00:09:54,690 --> 00:09:56,220 [ laughter ] 237 00:09:58,030 --> 00:10:01,560 gates: We make our way nearly 300 feet underground. 238 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:04,600 After exploring the stairwell and reaching the dead end, 239 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,830 we call in our gpr techs, yakov and uri, 240 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,170 to learn if there's a chamber that we are not seeing. 241 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:12,870 So, the premise is we're gonna try to gpr 242 00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:14,670 the two side tunnels here, 243 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:16,580 see if it really is a dead end or not. 244 00:10:16,580 --> 00:10:18,580 Yes, the walls of the new tunnels 245 00:10:18,580 --> 00:10:21,550 and perhaps to find a chamber or a void between the two tunnels. 246 00:10:21,550 --> 00:10:23,420 Meaning somewhere in this wall? Yeah. 247 00:10:23,420 --> 00:10:26,750 We'll scan and image this wall between the two tunnels. 248 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:27,850 Got it. Okay. 249 00:10:27,860 --> 00:10:29,320 So, let's break out the gpr, yeah? 250 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,630 Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. 251 00:10:31,630 --> 00:10:35,400 We assemble the gpr, or ground-penetrating radar. 252 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Here we go. 253 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,070 The device sends out pulses of high-frequency radio waves 254 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:42,400 and detects how the signals are reflected off 255 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,740 of whatever's being scanned. 256 00:10:44,740 --> 00:10:46,370 If the radio waves scatter, 257 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:48,680 there may be a void behind this wall, 258 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,080 a chamber that could hold the vast treasure 259 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,710 of the copper scroll. 260 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:54,950 Okay. We got one run. 261 00:10:54,950 --> 00:10:56,180 Let's look at the data and see what we got. 262 00:10:56,180 --> 00:10:58,390 Yep. 263 00:10:58,390 --> 00:10:59,950 As I see in the middle of the section 264 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:06,790 about between 5 to 6 meters, we have strong reflections. 265 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,160 And, oh, yeah, uh-huh, 266 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,830 we have something in the middle of the section. 267 00:11:10,830 --> 00:11:13,630 Here? Here between 5 to 6 meters. 268 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,830 What is that? You see? 269 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,070 Could that be a space in the wall? 270 00:11:16,070 --> 00:11:17,870 Space in the wall, yes. 271 00:11:21,540 --> 00:11:23,010 That was a wild moment. Yeah. 272 00:11:23,010 --> 00:11:25,850 I take it you weren't expecting the gpr to find something there. 273 00:11:25,850 --> 00:11:27,150 No, not really. 274 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:30,120 In the past, we suspected that there are cavities 275 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,650 inside the tunnel, 276 00:11:31,650 --> 00:11:33,250 but we didn't know how to get through them. 277 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:34,690 Right. Well, later tonight, 278 00:11:34,690 --> 00:11:37,520 oren will be back to show us the results of the gpr scan 279 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:40,430 that he and his colleagues performed under hyrcania. 280 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:42,700 But first, our journey following the copper scroll 281 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:45,570 took me from israel to jordan and back again. 282 00:11:45,570 --> 00:11:47,070 When we return from this short break, 283 00:11:47,070 --> 00:11:50,670 my intrepid crew will be here to share some exclusive footage 284 00:11:50,670 --> 00:11:52,510 and to talk about what it took to film 285 00:11:52,510 --> 00:11:55,640 in these extreme conditions. 286 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,080 Plus, you'll go behind the scenes 287 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,250 of my chariot dream sequence. 288 00:11:59,250 --> 00:12:01,450 Hyah! No, no, no. 289 00:12:01,450 --> 00:12:03,150 It was more like a nightmare. 290 00:12:03,150 --> 00:12:05,220 You know what they say, never work with children 291 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:06,650 or roman chariots. 292 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,430 ♪ 293 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:19,800 welcome back to this edition of "after the hunt." 294 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,300 tonight, we are talking about our trip to the middle east 295 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:23,970 where we investigated the mysteries 296 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:25,370 of the dead sea scrolls. 297 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:27,910 And here with me now are some of the brave members 298 00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:30,040 of the "expedition unknown" crew -- 299 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:32,380 our two directors of photography, mr. Evan b. Stone 300 00:12:32,380 --> 00:12:33,880 and mr. Brian weed. 301 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,820 Great to see you, boys. It's great to be here. 302 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:37,080 Yeah, happy to have you. 303 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:38,820 And our story producer here, the one the only, 304 00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:40,720 mr. Tom quinn. How you doing, josh? 305 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:41,650 Pretty good. How are you? 306 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:43,360 I'm fair to partly cloudy. 307 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,990 That's what you say every time. 308 00:12:44,990 --> 00:12:47,590 You ever once -- have you ever said, "I'm great"? 309 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,900 I'm doing great. 310 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:50,830 Okay, I'll make that my pol-- you're a writer. 311 00:12:50,830 --> 00:12:52,400 There's no such thing as doing great. 312 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,000 You're never happy, no. Right. 313 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,700 It's part of the job to be miserable all the time. 314 00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:58,300 That's what we love about tom. 315 00:12:58,310 --> 00:13:00,710 Well, we've been getting a lot of messages on social media 316 00:13:00,710 --> 00:13:02,810 from viewers asking about the trip, 317 00:13:02,810 --> 00:13:04,940 and a lot of people want to know what it was like filming 318 00:13:04,950 --> 00:13:07,510 in jordan and the capital of jordan, amman. 319 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,550 This is a place that I think a lot of folks 320 00:13:09,550 --> 00:13:11,890 haven't been to before or don't know much about. 321 00:13:11,890 --> 00:13:13,750 Amman is a kind of surprising city. 322 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,690 You know, when you hear that it's the capital 323 00:13:15,690 --> 00:13:17,520 of a kingdom in the middle east, 324 00:13:17,530 --> 00:13:19,590 you probably have these kind of "arabian nights" 325 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:20,830 sort of fantasies in your head. 326 00:13:20,830 --> 00:13:22,960 Amman is a really modern city. 327 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,200 It felt very modern. 328 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,430 It felt just, you know, as modern as jerusalem 329 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:28,700 or tel aviv or any of the other cities we went to. 330 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:30,040 Yeah, and the real jaw-dropper 331 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,810 there is the ancient city of jerash, 332 00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:35,540 which is just kind of outside the main town, which is huge. 333 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:38,210 It's one of the biggest roman ruins that still survived 334 00:13:38,210 --> 00:13:39,980 to this present day anywhere in the world. 335 00:13:39,980 --> 00:13:41,820 Yeah, they call it the pompeii of the middle east. 336 00:13:41,820 --> 00:13:42,950 -Yeah. -Yeah. 337 00:13:42,950 --> 00:13:43,880 It's just as good being there, I think, 338 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:44,880 as being in the forum in rome. 339 00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:46,290 Better. You know, it may be even better. 340 00:13:46,290 --> 00:13:48,120 The forum in rome is quite small, actually. 341 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,320 Actually, it is, yes. 342 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,460 And there's more columns standing in jerash, 343 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:53,030 because you've got these long streets 344 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:54,260 and everything that is still preserved 345 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:56,130 with the original stones on the ground 346 00:13:56,130 --> 00:13:57,860 and rows of columns and everything. 347 00:13:57,870 --> 00:13:59,130 Doesn't take much imagination 348 00:13:59,130 --> 00:14:00,830 to put yourself right there in the 1st century. 349 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,770 Stone: Yeah, I mean, the columns are holding up structures. 350 00:14:02,770 --> 00:14:04,500 It must have been a really incredible city. 351 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:05,670 Gates: Absolutely. 352 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:07,340 And we had this idea that we wanted to film 353 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:10,410 a kind of dream sequence of me coming into amman 354 00:14:10,410 --> 00:14:13,650 as, like, a roman centurion on a roman chariot. 355 00:14:13,650 --> 00:14:15,080 We thought this would be a funny idea. 356 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,650 We featured it in the show. 357 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:18,180 Hyah! 358 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:21,220 A little bit trickier to execute than I was expecting. 359 00:14:21,220 --> 00:14:22,820 Yeah. Yeah, it was a little tougher. 360 00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:25,190 The chariots are little bit more unwieldy. 361 00:14:25,190 --> 00:14:27,030 The horse is a little less predictable. 362 00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:28,660 The horses are a little less predictable, 363 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:31,360 and they're not quite as cooperative. 364 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:33,870 Anyway, here's a look at some of our chariot sequence 365 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:35,500 that didn't make the cut. 366 00:14:38,270 --> 00:14:39,510 Hyah! 367 00:14:39,510 --> 00:14:41,010 No, no, no. 368 00:14:41,010 --> 00:14:41,880 This way. 369 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,480 [ horse whinnies ] 370 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,410 you know what they say, never work with children 371 00:14:45,410 --> 00:14:46,880 or roman chariots. 372 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,050 Each your heart, russell crowe! 373 00:14:52,050 --> 00:14:53,820 Anybody have a caesar salad around here? 374 00:14:53,820 --> 00:14:55,390 Hyah! 375 00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:58,060 The suspension leaves a little to be desired. 376 00:14:58,060 --> 00:14:59,330 Oh, they're great on the straightaways, 377 00:14:59,330 --> 00:15:01,030 but the corners are a drag. 378 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:02,130 Yah! 379 00:15:02,130 --> 00:15:04,230 It even comes with armor-all. 380 00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:06,730 All right, boys, which way to the forum? 381 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:08,170 Amazingly, when you travel in one of these, 382 00:15:08,170 --> 00:15:11,500 traffic just clears right out. Hyah! 383 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:14,340 Only downside is this thing's a drag to park. 384 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:16,040 Hyah! Ho! 385 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,950 Shh! 386 00:15:18,950 --> 00:15:20,050 They really want to go home. 387 00:15:20,050 --> 00:15:21,980 Man: Are you okay? Yeah, yeah. 388 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:26,590 ♪ 389 00:15:26,590 --> 00:15:29,620 yeah, it was basically like three hours of chaos 390 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:32,730 on that chariot for 25 seconds of time in the show. 391 00:15:32,730 --> 00:15:34,790 You were picking up some pretty good speed, 392 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,230 and all I could think was -- not on purpose, 393 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:37,460 I was just out of control. 394 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,600 All that had to happen was one rock, 395 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,830 the wheel had hit something, 396 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,470 I mean, you would have gone flying. 397 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:43,640 It would have been out of "ben-hur," 398 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,540 just a flip and it's over. Totally. 399 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:47,110 You looked pretty terrified at first, 400 00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:48,940 but then you kind of warmed up into it, 401 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:50,540 and at least they weren't camels, you know, so. 402 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:51,710 That's true. If they were camels, 403 00:15:51,710 --> 00:15:53,410 I would have quit much earlier. 404 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:57,150 Okay. So, amman, amazing, jerash, outstanding. 405 00:15:57,150 --> 00:15:59,750 But let's talk about the ultimate bucket list location 406 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:01,250 that we went to on this trip -- 407 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:04,190 the ancient rock-cut city of petra. 408 00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:05,830 You know, whenever people say to me, 409 00:16:05,830 --> 00:16:08,490 "where's someplace in the world that when you go there 410 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,730 in person, it truly doesn't disappoint, 411 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:14,170 stands up to expectations," I always say, "petra." 412 00:16:14,170 --> 00:16:16,070 it's every bit as good as you think it's gonna be. 413 00:16:16,070 --> 00:16:17,570 Totally. 414 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:19,370 It's amazing, I mean, the people who lived there at the time, 415 00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:21,510 they were traders so they had a lot of money. 416 00:16:21,510 --> 00:16:25,610 And they loved rome, so they built these huge buildings 417 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:29,480 cut inside the cliffs that look just like roman buildings. 418 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,120 But the funny thing is, you go inside, 419 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,120 and it's a cave, no walls, nothing else. 420 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,420 It is one of the real shocking things about petra. 421 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:39,130 You see these beautiful facades, 422 00:16:39,130 --> 00:16:40,160 and there's nothing behind them. 423 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,430 It's like a movie set. Mm-hmm. 424 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:42,730 You know? It is, and you can understand 425 00:16:42,730 --> 00:16:44,100 why they built the city there. 426 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:45,800 It's the ultimate reveal, you know, 427 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,530 it's almost like curtains being drawn back 428 00:16:47,540 --> 00:16:49,840 as you get to the end of this narrow passage. 429 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,740 But one of the most incredible things, to me, 430 00:16:51,740 --> 00:16:53,610 was seeing the amphitheater 431 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:56,380 that's carved into the side of a cliff. 432 00:16:56,380 --> 00:16:59,950 And this amphitheater held, I believe, 8,500 people. 433 00:16:59,950 --> 00:17:01,310 Right. 434 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,420 And to think that that whole canyon must have, 435 00:17:04,420 --> 00:17:08,320 at one time, just been teeming, teeming with life, 436 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,260 and it's crazy to think about it. 437 00:17:10,260 --> 00:17:11,420 I mean, what do they play there? 438 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:13,130 What kind of plays were there? You know... 439 00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:14,360 Greek plays probably. 440 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:17,260 "funny thing that happened on the way to the forum." 441 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:19,500 well, the site of petra was absolutely spectacular, 442 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:21,930 but not all of our trip was so magical. 443 00:17:21,940 --> 00:17:23,100 You've already seen some of the trouble 444 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:24,640 we had getting through the desert. 445 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,610 We had to contend with the blazing sun, 446 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:27,870 wandering herds of goats, 447 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,440 and sand traps that could swallow a car. 448 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:32,810 But, believe it or not, we didn't have time to show you 449 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:35,110 everything that went wrong on our trip. 450 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,750 Have a look at this never-before-seen footage. 451 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:41,750 Dr. Mohammad najjar and I 452 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,620 are crossing the jordanian desert 453 00:17:43,630 --> 00:17:45,490 to find a remote bedouin camp 454 00:17:45,490 --> 00:17:48,330 with answers about the mysterious copper scroll. 455 00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:52,100 [ engine sputtering ] 456 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:53,530 oh [bleep] 457 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:56,900 but our 4x4 doesn't seem to want to go along for the ride. 458 00:17:56,910 --> 00:17:58,600 Slight problem, doctor. 459 00:18:02,140 --> 00:18:03,140 The wiring? 460 00:18:06,750 --> 00:18:08,580 I think it's electrical. 461 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:10,250 It is, yes. That's taped, see? 462 00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:11,650 I think, yeah. That's the problem. 463 00:18:11,650 --> 00:18:15,820 This is screwed up -- okay, so, this was taped by somebody. 464 00:18:15,820 --> 00:18:17,760 That's the problem. Just put your hand on that. 465 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,730 I get it, yeah. You look at my hair. 466 00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:22,830 Yeah, if it goes up we -- if it goes up, we have problem. 467 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:24,760 Okay. Here we go. I'm gonna try not to shock you. 468 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:25,700 Okay. Go ahead. 469 00:18:25,700 --> 00:18:27,270 [ engine starts, sputters ] 470 00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:30,340 she's alive! She's dead. 471 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:31,570 Here we go. 472 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,280 Hold on. 473 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,550 [ engine starts ] 474 00:18:40,550 --> 00:18:42,350 we're good. 475 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:45,590 Okay. Come on in quick. 476 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:46,920 Whoo-hoo-hoo! 477 00:18:50,490 --> 00:18:51,820 We almost had to live out here. 478 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:53,090 That would have been really ugly. 479 00:18:53,090 --> 00:18:55,500 Probably would have eaten me within, like, a day. 480 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:57,400 [ chuckles ] 481 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:02,700 another country, another terrible car. 482 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:04,870 Why can't we get anything that works right? 483 00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:08,540 And what you saw right here, that was one of about 50 times 484 00:19:08,540 --> 00:19:10,110 that the car broke down on this trip, 485 00:19:10,110 --> 00:19:12,480 and we had to go in there, shock yourself, 486 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,750 and try to somehow get the wiring to work again. 487 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:18,050 So, not my favorite vehicle we've ever had on the show. 488 00:19:18,050 --> 00:19:19,420 No, not the best. 489 00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:21,220 And, in case you're wondering, dr. Najjar 490 00:19:21,220 --> 00:19:23,590 did get the truck started long enough for me 491 00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:27,890 to get us stuck in a sand dune, which you did see in the show. 492 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:30,460 Let's talk about this because I was out there alone with him. 493 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:34,370 We had a support vehicle that was not that close, actually, 494 00:19:34,370 --> 00:19:36,140 and I got stuck in a dune. 495 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:38,870 I was back with the support vehicle and everybody else, 496 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:40,540 and so we're waiting for you guys, 497 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:42,810 and it's like we're waiting and we're waiting and waiting. 498 00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:46,550 And finally, I decided to just hump up a sand dune on my own 499 00:19:46,550 --> 00:19:49,020 and try to figure out where the hell these guys are. 500 00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:51,350 And I see this little, white vehicle over in the distance, 501 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:52,820 and I walk on over, 502 00:19:52,820 --> 00:19:55,190 and there's josh underneath the tire digging away. 503 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:57,960 And he looks up and he goes, "hi, tom." 504 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,130 you know, I waved like, "bye," you know? 505 00:20:00,130 --> 00:20:01,690 And -- I wish you'd brought a shovel. 506 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:03,160 I know, I know. 507 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,870 And fortunately we had this guy, you know, appear out of nowhere 508 00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:06,870 and, like -- I mean, hold on, 509 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:08,470 "appear out of nowhere." 510 00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:09,740 like "lawrence of arabia." 511 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:12,340 right, this bedouin dude, like a mirage... 512 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:14,140 Yeah. ...Came over the hills 513 00:20:14,140 --> 00:20:15,510 with a pack of smokes in his hand. 514 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:16,540 Right, and a cellphone. 515 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:19,010 And, you know, within five minutes, 516 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:21,580 he's cutting down branches, he's making traction for the tires. 517 00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:23,650 He knew exactly how to get that car out of there. 518 00:20:23,650 --> 00:20:24,950 And he gave you directions of where to go. 519 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:26,620 To the bedouin camp we were looking for. 520 00:20:26,620 --> 00:20:27,690 Right. It was amazing. 521 00:20:27,690 --> 00:20:29,890 It was like the jordanian aaa. 522 00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:31,360 And all of that was just the beginning 523 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,460 of our adventures in the desert. 524 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:35,760 Later in the show, the crew is gonna be back to share 525 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,230 more behind-the-scenes stories from our trip across jordan, 526 00:20:39,230 --> 00:20:42,670 but coming up next, I'm talking with a dead sea scrolls scholar 527 00:20:42,670 --> 00:20:45,610 who believes he's figured out who wrote the copper scroll, 528 00:20:45,610 --> 00:20:47,040 where the treasure came from, 529 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,880 and, most importantly, where it may have gone. 530 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,480 Stay tuned. 531 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,820 ♪ 532 00:21:00,820 --> 00:21:02,520 welcome back to "exu" headquarters 533 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,560 where we're taking an in-depth look into our investigation 534 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,890 of the enigmatic copper scroll. 535 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:09,730 It's a search for ancient treasure 536 00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:11,830 that took us into tunnels and caves 537 00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:14,670 on both sides of the dead sea. 538 00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:16,000 And, as you saw on tonight's episode, 539 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,770 the copper scroll was inscribed with directions 540 00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:22,780 to 64 caches of gold, silver, and jewels. 541 00:21:22,780 --> 00:21:24,480 The only problem -- we have no idea 542 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,850 what treasure it's describing and the landmarks in the scroll 543 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:29,620 are a little hard to follow. 544 00:21:29,620 --> 00:21:31,980 So, we're gonna talk now with dr. Mike wise. 545 00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:34,420 He's a professor at the university of northwestern 546 00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:35,920 in st. Paul, minnesota, 547 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,590 where he's dedicated his career 548 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:39,530 to the study of the dead sea scrolls 549 00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:42,090 and the copper scroll in particular. 550 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:43,760 Dr. Wise, thank you for speaking with me. 551 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,230 How are you? I'm very well tonight. 552 00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:46,800 How are you today? I'm well. 553 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,600 So, let's talk about the copper scroll. 554 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,340 Look, to start with, it's really cool. 555 00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:52,970 I know that's kind of a silly thing to say, 556 00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:55,410 but it's one of those things that if you told somebody about, 557 00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:56,940 they wouldn't believe. 558 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:59,550 You know, this metallic scroll, you know, 559 00:21:59,550 --> 00:22:02,150 etched with not just a vast treasure 560 00:22:02,150 --> 00:22:04,520 but cryptic instructions on how to find it. 561 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,020 I mean, it sounds like something out of an "indiana jones" movie. 562 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:08,450 It truly does, and then the whole idea 563 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:13,730 of rolling up a scroll on metal is a strange idea, too. 564 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:15,590 It doesn't seem like it could be real. 565 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,960 Right. But it is. 566 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,300 Let's talk about whether it is unique. 567 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,870 We know that it's the only one of the dead sea scrolls 568 00:22:21,870 --> 00:22:24,500 that was found that was inscribed on metal, 569 00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:26,810 but are there other examples of documents 570 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:28,470 like this in antiquity? 571 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,680 Yes, there are other kinds of documents 572 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,880 written on metal in the ancient world 573 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,950 at the same time that the scroll was produced. 574 00:22:35,950 --> 00:22:37,680 I have a few photos that I can show you. 575 00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:41,090 The first one is known as the tables of iraklia 576 00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:43,360 and it's 3rd, 4th century b.C.E. 577 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,960 And this was attached to the temple of dionysus in Italy. 578 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,160 And this temple had an inscription 579 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,370 on it inscribed in bronze. 580 00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:55,740 Then a final example, this one is actually etched into gold... 581 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:57,100 Wow. That's unbelievable. 582 00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:59,210 ...Is known as the orphic lamina, 583 00:22:59,210 --> 00:23:02,510 and it comes from ancient athens or it's attached 584 00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:05,280 to an ancient athenian colony in thouria 585 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,480 where they had inscribed this group of instructions 586 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,820 about how the dead were to go on to eternal bliss. 587 00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:12,790 I'd like a copy of that. 588 00:23:12,790 --> 00:23:14,050 Do you have that available? 589 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:15,590 Does it work? 590 00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:16,820 How's your ancient greek? 591 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:18,420 Not good, not good. Okay. 592 00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:20,260 So we do have precedent for this, 593 00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:22,860 but of course what makes the copper scroll so unique 594 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:24,230 is the way that it was found, 595 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:26,870 you know, rolled up as if it were a paper scroll 596 00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:29,270 and deposited with these other manuscripts. 597 00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:30,300 What do you make of that? 598 00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:32,300 Why do you think the copper scroll 599 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:34,240 was there in those caves in qumran? 600 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,740 Do you have a theory about that? 601 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:37,680 Actually, I do. There's 11 caves 602 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,450 associated with the dead sea scrolls. 603 00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:41,150 This one comes from cave 3. 604 00:23:41,150 --> 00:23:44,320 It once was, actually, up on a wall or attached 605 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,490 to some kind of a flat surface, because it has nail holes in it. 606 00:23:47,490 --> 00:23:50,820 To my mind, what makes most sense is that this text comes 607 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:53,130 from the temple of herod back in jerusalem. 608 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:57,060 And so if this is the treasure of the second temple, we know 609 00:23:57,060 --> 00:24:00,500 that the temple in jerusalem was center of jewish life, 610 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:02,940 and we also know that it was a place of great offerings, 611 00:24:02,940 --> 00:24:04,740 so certainly, it makes sense 612 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:06,910 that this could be the treasure from the second temple. 613 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:08,140 Yes, it does. 614 00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:09,910 For example, all throughout the roman empire -- 615 00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:11,980 and there were millions of jews who lived outside 616 00:24:11,980 --> 00:24:13,410 the land in those days -- 617 00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:16,380 millions of people were giving large sums of money 618 00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:18,650 over time to the temple in jerusalem, 619 00:24:18,650 --> 00:24:20,790 and that was where the money was stored 620 00:24:20,790 --> 00:24:23,260 so even though all these sacrifices 621 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:26,960 and holy things went on, it was also a kind of fort knox. 622 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,160 Right. 623 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,100 And so if this was from the temple in jerusalem, 624 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:33,330 why would it have these instructions 625 00:24:33,330 --> 00:24:35,570 of where to look for treasure elsewhere 626 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:38,200 in places that seem to be outside the city. 627 00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:41,440 It's talking about trees and valleys and things like that. 628 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,210 What would be the function of it, do you think? 629 00:24:43,210 --> 00:24:45,440 Well, the function of it was to act as a guide 630 00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:50,150 to how to locate these treasures once it was safe to do it. 631 00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:53,190 So, we have to imagine that the temple is predictably 632 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:54,820 going to fall, 633 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:57,790 the treasures of the temple need to be saved -- 634 00:24:57,790 --> 00:25:00,230 remember the romans had encircled the city 635 00:25:00,230 --> 00:25:01,760 with what they called a circum wallum, 636 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,100 this wall that nobody could get through, 637 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,670 but actually they could get under it and out behind it. 638 00:25:06,670 --> 00:25:10,200 And so the plan was, "let's take the stuff from the treasure, 639 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,210 let's hide it in various places within the city 640 00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:15,840 and also outside the city, 641 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,510 and we will write down a list of all the locations 642 00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:21,980 and what's at each location and then we will hide 643 00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:25,120 that treasure trove out in the desert." 644 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,890 that's what they did. Right. 645 00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:30,090 So, another big mystery about the copper scroll 646 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:32,190 that I've heard various opinions on 647 00:25:32,190 --> 00:25:35,790 is just how cryptic the clues within it really are. 648 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,830 You know, we look at it today with modern eyes, 649 00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:39,570 and it's hard to make any real sense of it. 650 00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:41,130 Do you think if this was read 651 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,500 by somebody in the second temple period 652 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,710 when it was written, that they would look at these clues 653 00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:48,440 and not had any idea where to look, 654 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,280 or would this have been something more comprehensible 655 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,510 to ancient readers? 656 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,650 So, I think that it would probably be difficult to find 657 00:25:56,650 --> 00:25:58,480 some at least of the things 658 00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:01,090 that are listed in the scroll without more detail. 659 00:26:01,090 --> 00:26:04,420 It talks about the courtyard of the temple. 660 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:06,330 Well, we know where that was. 661 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:07,660 Of course, in ancient times, 662 00:26:07,660 --> 00:26:10,660 it would have been possible to locate things in it. 663 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:12,630 We can't because it no longer exists. 664 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:14,900 So, these were recognizable, like, 665 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:17,200 landmarks for a person of the time. 666 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,170 They were not as obscure as some other clues. 667 00:26:20,170 --> 00:26:23,310 Do you think there's any practical way to go and find it, 668 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:25,180 or do you think that too much time has passed 669 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:28,680 and that we don't have enough landmarks to work off of? 670 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,620 I think it will maybe someday be discovered, 671 00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:32,120 but it will be by accident. 672 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,090 But some of them could have been found with the detail 673 00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:35,350 we have in the scroll. 674 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:36,820 Not everything is obscure. 675 00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:38,320 For example, some of the materials 676 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:40,090 are said to be hidden in caves, 677 00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:41,890 and we're still exploring those judean caves. 678 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,000 Not all of them have been fully explored, 679 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,660 and there's stuff to be found. 680 00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:46,800 Even in the last few years, 681 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,530 we found new things in some of the caves, 682 00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:52,340 so some of it may still be out there to be found. 683 00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:53,440 Listen, thank you so much 684 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,610 for taking the time to speak with me. 685 00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:56,280 I really appreciate it, doctor. Thank you. 686 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,910 I enjoyed it. All the best. 687 00:26:57,910 --> 00:27:00,050 Well, when we come back, we'll show you exclusive footage 688 00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:02,820 form our time as guests among the bedouins, 689 00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:07,490 including a nose-to-tail meal that gave me a real eyeful. 690 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:08,420 Oh. 691 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:10,060 Come on. Okay. 692 00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:11,320 Eye, eye, eye. 693 00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:13,790 And later on, dr. Oren gutfeld will return, 694 00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:17,430 and we'll reveal what the gpr scan of the hyrcania tunnels 695 00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:20,030 told us about the treasure of the copper scroll. 696 00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:22,100 It does look like there's something there. 697 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:23,200 Gutfeld: Yeah. 698 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,440 Stick around. 699 00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:33,450 ♪ 700 00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:34,950 welcome back to "after the hunt" 701 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:37,520 coming to you from "exu" headquarters. 702 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,320 I'm joined here by the "expedition unknown" 703 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,550 field crew -- evan b. Stone, brian weed, 704 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,020 and tom quinn. 705 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:44,790 We're talking about our search 706 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:47,060 for the treasure of the copper scroll. 707 00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:48,630 Now our trip to the middle east was, 708 00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:52,230 even by "exu" standards, a logistical challenge. 709 00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:55,100 We had to move people and gear across a border that, 710 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,600 well, isn't the easiest one to get across in the world. 711 00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:59,200 And once we got into the desert, 712 00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:02,170 there weren't a whole lot of options for places to stay. 713 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:04,910 Although, we did have the bedouin camp 714 00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:07,180 which felt like we were sleeping on a pile of rocks 715 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:08,680 because, well, we were. 716 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,320 So let's talk about the bedouin camp. 717 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,150 Where would you put that on your ranking of "exu" accommodations? 718 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,060 I'd put it on a 4. 4 out of 10? 719 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:17,290 Yeah. You've had worse. 720 00:28:17,290 --> 00:28:19,590 Oh, come on. Oh, we definitely had worse. 721 00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:23,200 The bedding was, like, beyond dusty. 722 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,400 Right. You go like this 723 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,760 and it's, "oof!" 724 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:27,570 and outline of the blanket stays in the air 725 00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:28,400 and just hangs there. 726 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,900 Exactly. Right. 727 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:32,140 And the only thing I don't like about sleeping in places like 728 00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:34,270 that where you've got this totally open-sided tent 729 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,910 in the desert is you just start thinking 730 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:38,080 about snakes and scorpions and all that kind of stuff. 731 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,810 I mean, there is no protection from the outside world. 732 00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,610 You say that like we've never been afraid 733 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:44,920 of snakes and scorpions in some of the hotels we've stayed at. 734 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,220 That's true, that's true, actually. 735 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:48,550 We've stayed at some real dives. 736 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,660 You didn't need an alarm clock in the morning 737 00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:51,960 'cause you had a herd of goats 738 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,090 that kind of did that job for you. 739 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:55,090 Right. They just came in to camp. 740 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,700 My mouth tastes like goat and sand, 741 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,630 but other than that, I'm great. 742 00:28:59,630 --> 00:29:02,570 I have to say, though, for all of the kind of eccentricities 743 00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:04,440 of sleeping out in a bedouin camp, 744 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,910 there are some amazing upsides to it, as well. 745 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:09,270 You can't really get a better blanket of stars 746 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,140 than being out in the middle of the desert. 747 00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:12,310 I mean, it is stunning. 748 00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:14,050 And it wasn't just a spectacular view, 749 00:29:14,050 --> 00:29:16,550 the bedouins were also kind enough to feed us. 750 00:29:16,550 --> 00:29:18,620 You get to see some of the meal during tonight's episode, 751 00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:20,590 but god help me, there's more. 752 00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:23,020 Just so much more. 753 00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:24,160 Roll it. 754 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,460 Oh, my word, look at this. 755 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:33,600 Wow. 756 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,230 It's goat. 757 00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:41,410 So good. 758 00:29:41,410 --> 00:29:43,710 It's looking at me, but it's excellent. 759 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:47,480 It is traditional to give the guest tongue. 760 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,810 Uh-huh. 761 00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,620 Okay, I don't usually do that on the first date. 762 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:52,790 Thank you very much, appreciate it. 763 00:29:56,390 --> 00:29:58,560 It's good. Yeah. 764 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,030 It's really good. Yeah. 765 00:30:00,030 --> 00:30:04,000 You never forget the first time you get tongue from a goat. 766 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,330 What else you got? 767 00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:07,000 The cheek meat. 768 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,600 Cheek meat. 769 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,240 Also terrific. 770 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,700 Just don't give me any lip. 771 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,740 Eh, that wouldn't -- believe me, 772 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:19,110 that's not funny in english either. 773 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:20,550 How about the eye, do you eat the eye? 774 00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:22,880 Do you want to eat? 775 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,220 Uhh. Aah. 776 00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:27,020 Oh. Oh, come on. 777 00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:29,690 Come on. 778 00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:33,060 Get out of town with that. 779 00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:34,660 Okay, here we go. 780 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:36,930 Okay. Eye, eye, eye. 781 00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:40,230 Mm. 782 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:41,470 That's not as good. 783 00:30:41,470 --> 00:30:43,900 That's not as good as the tongue. 784 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,110 "eye" am not a huge fan of that. 785 00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:49,710 Ugh. That's... 786 00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:50,810 Mm. That's full of textures. 787 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:52,880 How does that taste? 788 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,750 How is it? 789 00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:54,980 Yeah. 790 00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:57,220 It's great. It's very good. 791 00:30:57,220 --> 00:31:00,620 Doc, the great thing about a goat is it has two eyeballs. 792 00:31:00,620 --> 00:31:02,620 Yeah. And so what? 793 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:05,290 I'm just saying the other one's up for grabs, if you want it. 794 00:31:09,460 --> 00:31:12,460 Oh, man. 795 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:13,630 What's he saying? 796 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,140 For my health? Your health. 797 00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:20,340 Yes, my health and my poor stomach. 798 00:31:24,610 --> 00:31:27,950 Oh, the -- I've got to tell you, a long time ago, 799 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:30,250 I got over any squeamishness 800 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:32,280 about eating the face of an animal. 801 00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:35,190 And I have to say, a lot of the meat actually in the cheeks 802 00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:36,660 and parts of the face, it's delicious. 803 00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:37,890 Yeah. 804 00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:40,760 But the tongue and the eyeball, oh, it's bad. 805 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,130 Ugh. 806 00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:44,030 But it's like the eye is the delicacy for the guest and, 807 00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:45,230 "please, here eat this." yeah. 808 00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:47,500 What are you gonna do? Red flag, delicacy. 809 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:48,770 It's true, actually, right? 810 00:31:48,770 --> 00:31:50,140 You never see them eating it. 811 00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:52,270 Absolutely, delicacies are always the stuff people ate 812 00:31:52,270 --> 00:31:54,670 when there was no other food to eat at the time. 813 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,780 And now it's something special that you have to eat. 814 00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:57,940 Exactly. 815 00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:59,080 What's the weirdest thing you ever eaten? 816 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,280 Bull penis. 817 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,380 Bull penis. I remember that. 818 00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:02,750 That was in egypt. Yeah. 819 00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:04,080 Tom, what's the strangest thing you've ever eaten? 820 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,720 I've also had the sheep eye experience. 821 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,320 When I bit into it, it was liquid 822 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,060 and it just kind of of went, "gush." 823 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:12,320 ugh. And I can taste it to this day. 824 00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:14,730 You know, I got to say, special mention also goes out 825 00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:17,830 to the fermented horse milk that we had. 826 00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:20,470 -Ugh. -Warm. 827 00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:22,270 Gates: It's like fuzzy milk. 828 00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:23,970 Good? Ooh, you can never untaste that. 829 00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:25,170 Yeah. That was tough. 830 00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:26,510 While I have you all here, let me just say 831 00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:29,070 how much I appreciate all of you out on the road. 832 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,210 It's hard work. 833 00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:33,310 These guys are out there hundreds of days a year, 834 00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:35,280 and they come out of it unscathed... 835 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Usually. Slightly scathed. 836 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,490 Tom, let's talk about your trip to the caves in qumran 837 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:42,090 where we were looking for the dead sea scrolls. 838 00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:43,090 Right. 839 00:32:43,090 --> 00:32:44,120 We were in the cave, we were filming, 840 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,220 and then suddenly, I turned around 841 00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:46,930 and you had blood pouring down your face. 842 00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:48,060 It was like "carrie." it was like... 843 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:50,130 What the hell happened to you? 844 00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:52,600 I turned around to grab a bottle of water, 845 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,370 and suddenly it was like "bong," 846 00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:57,940 I hit the roof of the cave, one of the sharp rocks up there. 847 00:32:57,940 --> 00:33:00,170 Anytime you cut your face, it bleeds a lot, 848 00:33:00,170 --> 00:33:02,170 but you just had blood streaming down your face. 849 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:03,980 I think we have a photo. There he is. 850 00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:05,640 This is after part of the cleanup. 851 00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:07,750 Tom looking upset with himself. 852 00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:10,220 I think your pride was wounded more than your head. 853 00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:12,080 Yes, a lot more. And then... 854 00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:14,420 Oh, no. ...The icing on the cake -- 855 00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:17,660 this situation with your ears. 856 00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:20,130 Walk me through this, I honestly don't even get this. 857 00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:21,490 We went out one night in jerusalem to, 858 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:22,790 like, one of the main hangouts, 859 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,060 and there's all these bars lined up and everything. 860 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:27,600 And our group sits down right in front of this bar 861 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,240 with a speaker right there blasting right in our faces. 862 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,340 So, I grabbed a piece of napkin and chewed on it 863 00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:38,110 and put a little knot in each ear to sort of cushion 864 00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:39,910 the sound. Unfortunately, one of them went 865 00:33:39,910 --> 00:33:43,180 in just a little too deep, and I had to get some help. 866 00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:46,720 One of our crew was brave enough to get in there and fish it out. 867 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,020 And fortunately for you, we had a camera with us. 868 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:54,630 -One person... -Can I have these real quick? 869 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:55,930 One person -- I need them, I need them. 870 00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:57,960 Hold on, hold on! No, let me do it. 871 00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:59,600 Tom, stop, stop, stop. 872 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,900 It's about to be out. 873 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:03,970 All right. 874 00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:07,140 Man: How long were these in here? 875 00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:08,940 Yes. Yes! 876 00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:10,910 Oh, you got it. 877 00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:12,840 Oh! Never do that again. 878 00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:14,480 What just happened? 879 00:34:17,850 --> 00:34:19,520 First of all, that was one of our tech guys, ben. 880 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,950 Where did he get the tweezers from? 881 00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:22,850 We were doing hookahs, and there was -- 882 00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:24,490 oh, like they use for the coals. 883 00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:25,790 -Yes. -Exactly. 884 00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:28,830 So, that was a filthy, coal-covered hookah tweezer. 885 00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:30,160 Well, it was sterile, because 886 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,900 it had been handling hot coals all day. 887 00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:33,370 You tell yourself that. 888 00:34:33,370 --> 00:34:34,730 No, no, really. It was. 889 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,470 Hey, did you get a bill from ben for the surgery? 890 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:38,400 Yeah, I owed him a drink at least. 891 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:39,540 Exactly. 892 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:41,040 Well, tom, in honor of your sacrifice, 893 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,310 I'd like to present you with this. 894 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:44,640 Oh. 895 00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:47,280 It's the first annual danny dismount award. 896 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,510 The danny dismount is of course 897 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,320 named after our oft-injured drone pilot 898 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,190 and tech manager, danny. 899 00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:54,620 Gates: You okay? 900 00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:57,720 No, I just feel dizzy all of a sudden, like, really queasy. 901 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:00,760 Ooh. You okay? 902 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,390 Yeah, I'm fine. 903 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,000 Ow! Ow. 904 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,630 I just sat on a thorn bush. 905 00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:06,970 Let's get those out of there. 906 00:35:06,970 --> 00:35:08,370 You got a couple more in there. 907 00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:10,570 That's as deep as I'm willing to go. 908 00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:11,900 That's danny. 909 00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:14,140 So, here you go, tom, may you never win this again. 910 00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:15,570 Congratulations. Wow. 911 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:17,640 I want to thank all of the coordinated people in the world 912 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,310 for this wonderful award. Thank you. 913 00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:21,610 You've got it. You're welcome. 914 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,580 We're gonna take a brief break, but when we come back, 915 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:25,750 dr. Oren gutfeld will be back, 916 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:28,050 and we'll reveal what the gpr showed 917 00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:30,060 down in the tunnels of hyrcania. 918 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:32,690 Plus, we'll look at the future of the dead sea. 919 00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:36,090 Here's a hint -- I'd go now while you still can. 920 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:37,060 Stay tuned. 921 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,340 ♪ 922 00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:48,470 well, you're back at "expedition unknown" headquarters, 923 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,210 and since we're solving the puzzles of the copper scroll. 924 00:35:51,210 --> 00:35:54,310 Here's a little quiz to keep my crew and you at home sharp. 925 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:55,880 Which of these american cities 926 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,250 does not share its name with another city in the middle east? 927 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:05,990 "a" philadelphia, "b" cairo, "c" memphis, or "d" lebanon. 928 00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:07,730 Evan b. Stone. Philadelphia. 929 00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:09,330 I mean, that's american. 930 00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:10,400 Brian, what do you say? 931 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,030 I'm gonna go with philly. Okay. 932 00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:13,800 Tom, you gonna go with philly, make it a sweep? 933 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,500 No, I'm gonna go with lebanon, 934 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,670 because lebanon's a country not a city. 935 00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:18,640 Smart cookie. 936 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,970 The correct answer is "d" lebanon. 937 00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:25,440 Philadelphia, in fact, was the ancient name of amman, jordan. 938 00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:27,610 The town of cairo, or as they pronounce it 939 00:36:27,610 --> 00:36:29,180 "kay-roh," illinois, 940 00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:31,320 is, of course, named after cairo, egypt. 941 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,850 And memphis, tennessee, 942 00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:35,220 is named for the ancient egyptian capital. 943 00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:37,720 But lebanon, of which there are 12 u.S. Cities 944 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,360 with that name, does not have 945 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,560 a middle eastern counterpart city, 946 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,960 only a country. 947 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,100 Nice work, tom. 948 00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:45,200 Thank you. 949 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,440 ♪ 950 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,880 welcome back one last time to "expedition unknown" 951 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,910 headquarters and "after the hunt." 952 00:36:58,910 --> 00:37:01,550 I'm here with the "exu" crew and once again archeologist, 953 00:37:01,550 --> 00:37:03,780 dr. Oren gutfeld, who has been our guy 954 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:05,880 to all things dead sea scrolls, 955 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,290 including a search for the treasure listed 956 00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:10,190 in the unique copper scroll. 957 00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:12,820 So, in the tunnels beneath the ruined fortress of hyrcania, 958 00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:16,600 we performed a gpr scan, a ground-penetrating radar scan, 959 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,230 to see if there were any hidden cavities or chambers. 960 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:21,670 Let's take a look now at what the scan revealed. 961 00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:24,770 Check it out. 962 00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:26,340 As I see in the middle of the section, 963 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:30,740 about 5 to 6 meters, we have strong reflections. 964 00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:33,780 Ooh, yeah, uh-huh, we have something in the middle 965 00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:35,650 of the section here... Here? 966 00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:37,350 ...Between 5 to 6 meters. 967 00:37:37,350 --> 00:37:38,520 What is that? You see? 968 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,750 Could that be a space in the wall? 969 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:41,150 Space in the wall, yes. 970 00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:42,590 So, the question is is that something real, 971 00:37:42,590 --> 00:37:44,190 or are we just looking at some naturally 972 00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:45,560 occurring thing in the wall? 973 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,760 Yes. We'll have to check it again. 974 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,860 Okay. We'll check again. 975 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:48,830 We'll do another core section and see. 976 00:37:48,830 --> 00:37:49,960 Okay. Maybe the wall, yes. 977 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,230 All right. Rack it up again, here we go. 978 00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:52,830 Let's do it. 979 00:37:52,830 --> 00:38:01,440 ♪ 980 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,740 okay. So, what do we got? 981 00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:04,980 We do see a small void in the beginning of the section. 982 00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:07,350 The width is about 40 centimeters 983 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,450 and the depth is about 30 centimeters. 984 00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:11,620 So, not a room full of gold or silver. 985 00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:12,620 Not yet. 986 00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:15,950 Not the treasure of the copper scroll. 987 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,920 So, pretty compelling hit on the gpr. 988 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,260 This is really the promising, 989 00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:21,330 but also frustrating thing about gpr 990 00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:24,800 is that it can yield incredible results, 991 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,130 but it also yields a lot of false positives. 992 00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:31,570 Right. 993 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,780 Okay. 994 00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:39,440 Let's talk about the part of the second tunnel 995 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:41,810 we couldn't get to, because it was flooded. 996 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:45,520 Normally, I would jump into creepy water like that 997 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,750 and see if I could swim through. 998 00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:47,850 Me, too. Not this time. 999 00:38:47,850 --> 00:38:49,650 No, it didn't feel good down there. 1000 00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:51,290 It felt like that was water you didn't -- 1001 00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:52,960 like, you put your hand in and then just a skeleton 1002 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,960 comes out, you know? It's like acid. 1003 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,530 It had a really special odor, too. 1004 00:38:56,530 --> 00:38:58,430 Yes. It's not very inviting. 1005 00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:59,730 If you took that water and put it 1006 00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:01,830 in a petri dish, it would be like, "rrrr." 1007 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,740 you know, it would be, like, just weird things in there, 1008 00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:05,970 and it's just like -- exactly. 1009 00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:08,110 So, the big question is, how far back does that go? 1010 00:39:08,110 --> 00:39:11,680 We need to wait until the summer so the water will evaporate 1011 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,250 and then we'll be able to continue the excavation 1012 00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:15,410 and to find out. 1013 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:17,080 And if the treasure of the copper scrolls 1014 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,120 are sitting back there... 1015 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,450 I'll tell you. ...You'll call me... 1016 00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:23,420 -First. -...First, before anybody else. 1017 00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:25,420 You call us. 1018 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:27,090 Listen, before you go, there's one last thing 1019 00:39:27,090 --> 00:39:28,630 that I want to talk about 1020 00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:31,730 and that maybe folks at home aren't really that aware of, 1021 00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:33,400 and it's about the dead sea itself. 1022 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,670 The dead sea is kind of in trouble. 1023 00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:37,040 Gutfeld: The dead sea is dying. 1024 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,900 It's evaporating and disappearing, 1025 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:42,070 mainly because we're using most of the fresh water 1026 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,810 that goes into the dead sea. 1027 00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:45,910 But it's because of us, yes. 1028 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:48,780 What's the projection for how long until it fully evaporates? 1029 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:52,080 It's reduced about 40 meters a year. 1030 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,820 So, within a few generations, it could go away. 1031 00:39:54,820 --> 00:39:57,490 It could go away, especially the southern part of the dead sea. 1032 00:39:57,490 --> 00:40:00,760 The dead sea, today, is not one sea, 1033 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,730 it's divided into two lakes. 1034 00:40:02,730 --> 00:40:06,100 The southern lakes is only 9 feet deep, that's it. 1035 00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:07,130 Wow. 1036 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:08,500 And it's going to disappear soon. 1037 00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:11,200 And so how has that affected archeology in the region? 1038 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,170 Well, that's the good part of it, 1039 00:40:13,170 --> 00:40:15,670 because the survey of the three conducted 1040 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,210 on the shores of the dead sea, 1041 00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:20,750 we found remains to some seaports 1042 00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:23,280 that were used during the second temple period 1043 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,950 and especially by herod the great. 1044 00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:26,680 Can the dead sea be saved? 1045 00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:28,390 Well, I don't know, I'm an archeologist, 1046 00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:31,520 not specialist for that, but I hope so. 1047 00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:34,260 There are some plans to recover the dead sea. 1048 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:36,390 It is a huge tourist attraction in israel, 1049 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,430 lots of folks go to the dead sea. 1050 00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:39,930 The mud of the dead sea very famous 1051 00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:41,400 for its curative properties. 1052 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,270 We actually have a few photos of us here along the dead sea 1053 00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:46,040 that I think we should take a quick look at. 1054 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,070 Look at this guy. Gutfeld: Wow. 1055 00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:48,440 There's brian weed. Weed: Look at... 1056 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,210 I mean, looking great. Well, you know. 1057 00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:51,580 Brian, that's from the men 1058 00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:53,040 of the dead sea calendar right there. 1059 00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:54,580 Mr. January, look at that. 1060 00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:57,120 That's right. And we've also got... 1061 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,120 Oh, evan. 1062 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,580 Oh, evan. A very -- this is like 1063 00:40:59,590 --> 00:41:01,890 one of those pregnancy portraits that you see. 1064 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:03,150 Stone: Yeah. What was going on here? 1065 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,360 It looks like I'm sleeping, but I'm not, 1066 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,460 I'm actually meditating. 1067 00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:07,890 And then tom quinn. 1068 00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:10,330 Doesn't matter how hot it is or how much mud you get on tom, 1069 00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:11,730 that hair doesn't change. 1070 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:12,530 Yeah. It doesn't. 1071 00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:13,630 It's like lego hair. 1072 00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:14,800 The italian hair, what can I tell you? 1073 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,130 It's like lego hair, look at it. 1074 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,470 It's perfect. 1075 00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:19,970 And finally, we've got -- the gang's all there. 1076 00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:21,440 -There is is. -Look at that. 1077 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,710 Mud rats. Yeah, looking good. 1078 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:24,710 The necklace still there. And there you have it, 1079 00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:26,410 the men of the dead sea scrolls calendar. 1080 00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:30,550 We'll be selling that very soon, actually. 1081 00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:33,150 And that brings us to the end of "after the hunt." 1082 00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:36,050 I'd like to thank my crew, as well as dr. Oren gutfeld, 1083 00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,190 for joining us tonight. 1084 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:38,820 Thank you so much for spending time with us. 1085 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:40,060 Thank you. I really appreciate it. 1086 00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:41,060 Thank you for having me. 1087 00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:42,390 Of course, thanks for being here. 1088 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,460 And most of all, thanks to you at home for tuning in. 1089 00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:48,070 The hunt for the dead sea scrolls is far from over. 1090 00:41:48,070 --> 00:41:50,400 More discoveries lie hidden in the desert, 1091 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,240 and we'll be back to document them, I'm sure. 1092 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,570 Thanks, everyone. 1093 00:41:54,570 --> 00:41:56,840 And we'll see you next time on "expedition unknown." 82800

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